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Speaker 1 (00:01):
uh, welcome to the
mick and pat show again.
Um, I will say, pat our.
The amount of degenerateslistening to this show is
rapidly increasing, yeah andenglish speakers.
Oh good, yeah, so um, but uhyeah, welcome degenerates.
(00:21):
You know who you are and thanksfor tuning in.
We appreciate you and if you'renew to the show, we refer to
our dedicated listeners.
As Ken, I see you as family andthanks for tuning in.
We have a special, specialevening because a good friend of
(00:43):
mine and a new friend of Pat'sBecause I can't remember if you
guys had met before in CrossingI don't think so.
It's very hard for me to recallafter all these years which
friends have overlapped in theVenn diagram of events, but
joining us tonight is my buddy,ty and Ty, we go back over 10
(01:07):
years now.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It'll be 10 years
this summer.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
They say.
They say if, uh, you've beenfriends with someone for 10
years I think it's seven, I knowwhat you're going to say it's
seven that you'll end up makinglove to each other.
Ooh, I'm behind there at theend.
But yeah, Ty go ahead andintroduce yourself, share
whatever you like to do,whatever your job, your life is,
(01:33):
it's really up to you, man.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, thanks for
having me on.
I've been looking forward tothis.
This is quite the honor.
I am a friend of Mick.
Yeah, what did we say?
It'll be 10 years.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, 10 years in
2025.
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Where'd you?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
guys meet Ooh.
So Mick and I met at a.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Summer camp.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Summer camp yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Eagle.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Lake Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, it's so far
behind us that I don't really
feel like it matters.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, so we met at
Eagle Lake Camps, which is
located in Woodland Park yeahyeah, colorado Springs, woodland
Park.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah yeah, colorado
Springs, woodland Park area.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah.
So how I got there was I hadoriginally applied to be a
groundskeeper at this campbecause I was just like at this
point in my life, um, where Ijust wanted, uh, just kind of a
fresh start, and I was like,should I work at a dude ranch,
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should I be?
I was born in Colorado.
Kind of a fresh start and I waslike, should I work at a dude
ranch, should I be?
I was born in colorado, kind ofgrew up here, but at the time I
was living in nebraska and thenyou were also at that point a
degenerate uh, I don't know,yeah.
Yeah, I was gonna say I don'tknow if a whole lot has changed,
but still a little bit of adegenerate would you say you
(03:07):
were walking with the lordbefore you came to?
absolutely not, brother no um no, I very much not.
Did not.
Went to a um catholic highschool and middle school, so I
could probably at the time giveyou some Sunday school answers.
(03:28):
Did not have Jesus in my heartfor sure.
Anyways, did not know that Iwas going to be working at that
camp.
I thought I was going to be agroundskeeper, like I said.
Are you a counselor?
I drove like 600 miles fromLincoln, nebraska, to Colorado
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Springs and I'm thinking, okay,cool, I'm going to get like the
dude rants experience, I'm goingto ride horses, I'm going to
fix fence, chew tobacco and I'mgoing to fuck off for the summer
.
Yeah, no, no, no, absolutelynot.
I show up.
And at first they wanted.
(04:09):
They were like hey, man, wefilled your position, um filled
your position with a black dudefrom mississippi was he from
mississippi, where?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
was he from atlanta,
I can't remember where.
His name was chris, and chrishe's from the inner city
somewhere.
He's cool.
Yeah, he't remember where hewas from.
His name was Chris.
He's from the inner citysomewhere.
He was cool.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, he was a good
dude.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's definitely not
counselor material.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Looking back now, he
was better for that position
than I was, and if I was agroundskeeper, I would have
never met my now wife and then afew other friends, mick being
one of them.
Yeah, so, yeah, so that's justkind of how it happened.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, it was pretty
much love at first sight, Pat.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Mick physically
assaulted me.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Okay, so this is
where he wants to start with
this.
Yeah, really, I think I'd liketo start from like we're sitting
there during the orientation.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Oh, that's true.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And like.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Playing the human,
not game.
No, no, no, it was like theboring Death by PowerPoint
presentation part.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And it was like Eagle
Lake does this presentation on,
like you know how to sing thepapaya song.
No, no, no, no like this is notthe joke one.
This is like the.
This is like if you're apedophile, we'll make you
disappear this summer.
Like, just quit now.
There's like they're gettingserious yeah, well, it was
literally like it was sohammered over and over, like
(05:42):
it's better for you to leavethan for us to find out, like if
you're a pedophile, we'rebasically gonna kill you, we're
gonna take you to the train stopor the train station you know
it was.
It was just like over and over,and I remember it was like so
long and I'm like looking atlike people and none of us are
friends yet, except for peoplewho had already been there, I'm
like, good god, I wonder ifsomeone here's a pedophile
they're it Like how manypedophiles come to the like be
(06:04):
camp counselors every year.
And then, like it was rightafter they like were like all
right, take 10.
And you know, I'm just likesitting in my chair and looking
around and just kind of eyeingpeople up, and then I see Ty and
he's he had like a JimmyNeutron haircut at the time.
It was pretty like up and thencurled.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It was like a snake
tunnel.
Or tunnel snake.
Yeah, I thought it was funny,tunnel snake, a wave.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well, the tunnel
snake's a hairdo.
It's a hairdo, it's your hair,bro.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
You got that stiff,
dark Nebraska hair.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, Mick doesn't
have any hair, that's true male
pattern baldness is is coming onset early.
We don't even know if itskipped a generation I have more
hair on my face than you everwill oh, also not, not true?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
yeah, exactly 100
true um, what you know, it's
always just like beenunbelievable.
Like, looking at you, what youhave like, like you have a hair,
you get out of my feelings.
You, you have like no likebetween your neck and then your
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your nether bits.
You don't have any hair.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, it's true, I
have a happy trail yeah, that's
all you got yeah, I am prettysqueaky clean like a baby, other
than like the stray like Nakedmole rat kind of.
Like oh okay, all right, that'show you see it.
I see it kind of as like aslick, hard plastic, like you
know, ken Bod, wow, here's thething, man, you're running your
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mouth a lot right now and Irecall you just ogling and
taking every opportunity to rubyour hands across my body that
summer.
So no, but all right, no.
So like literally, like we makeeye contact and I just it's
just kind of like this like nodthing, like he.
I see he's looking at me, I'mlooking at him.
It is like one of those thingsthat like in my head I'm like
(07:58):
it's a little gay, but likewhatever, I don't know that
guy's name, that room, roombeneath the dining hall.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Dining hall.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
No, it's like the big
bubble yeah, the big bubble,
T-Dome and later on.
You know, I'm still trying tofigure out who actually can hang
and be kind of rough and toughfor the summer, Because it's
like summer camp but there's alot of people who are like
weenies.
That is Mick, down to his coreLike who's gonna roughhouse with
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me yeah, and like we'rethrowing the frisbee on this
hill while leaving the dininghall.
No campers, of course, are hereyet and I don't know what
started at first, but I feltsomeone it might have not been
you, it might have been, uh, oneof these other guys, danny
someone bumped into me like agood shoulder check shove to
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snap the frisbee and I was likeI and like.
Then, when it was coming backour direction, I saw a tie going
for it and I just bulldozedinto him down the hill and the
fact that he was laughing aboutit and we were laughing as we
were rolling down the hill inlike dry shrub brush.
I was like this is my dog, likefor the rest of the summer,
(09:12):
this is the dog and like it'sthis is it, it's going to be a
good summer.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You two were just
like Simba and Nala, rolling
down that hill.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
It really was, bro.
It was like that yeah, just alllike, oh my gosh, uh, anyways.
So, um, oh, the chemistry, yeah, no, I mean it was.
It was pretty much like webecame buddies off from there
yeah, we became buddies realfast and we're spending pretty
much like every night we werejust up late, either playing
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cards or talking on the cabinpatios and just getting to know
stuff, and um, I'm trying tothink like what the first?
I feel like that first weekendor one of those weekends we were
like we've got cigars and whenI don't know whose house we were
at but we were just chilling tosmoke cigars, it was just a
good old boys weekend before anygirls came and ruined it.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh dude, mick
introduced me into the wonderful
world of primetimes.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh yeah, that's right
, I was a primetime monster bro.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Early college age
high class cigars.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Bro, what can I say?
I grew up on the streets, Ilove my grape and watermelon
primetimes, oh yeah, um, but uh,yeah, and then uh, we, I really
think like the the best thingwas like what three weeks, four
weeks into with campers.
We got paired up with theselike kid, like we were in a
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boy's cabin, of course paired up, and the boys were like little
boys, not middle schoolers, andI think they were all like in
the age range of like seven tomaybe nine, like first and
second graders yeah and uh, oh,man, they were just.
It was awesome like they were.
Like there was times wherethey're annoying, for sure, but
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it was pretty much just Ty and Igot to just wrestle them, you
know, I mean and like that wasthat was the whole week of just
wrestling them until they weretired enough to nap, and then we
just sit out on the patiothat's definitely like the age
group where they're not too cooland um yeah, so they can't read
, so like it's like bible timeand it's like what are you gonna
(11:18):
do?
like they just look.
There was weeks where Iremember one time I was, it was
someone that week it was just akid looking at his Bible, crying
because he just couldn't, hedidn't know how to read yet, and
he was just so overwhelmed bythe amount of words on the page.
It was hilarious, dang.
Is that a core memory for youjust now?
That just came back.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
No, I'm thinking of
the Jesus.
Jesus was good, okay.
So I, later part of the summerI had this camper who, um, I
think he got like anyways, likea, a sponsorship, um, anyways.
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Someone had basically like kindof helped him get you know, get
to this camp, and he waswriting a thank you card at the
end of the week.
And I still, now that I'mthinking about it, I'm still
questioning if he just likepulled one over on me.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But he wrote, uh,
this thank you note and then was
trying to say jesus, and it wasjesus jesus every time, yeah, I
just about lost my mind well,because you don't want to laugh
at him and hurt their feelingslike you want them to write the
(12:37):
cards but I was like jesus.
Jesus, how many times has itbeen up on the screen this week?
There was also bro.
You gotta tell this one, thiswas a good one.
You had that middle school.
I'm pretty sure it was middleschool age camper that made the
ultimate commitment to it,wasn't Gaga Ball?
(12:59):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
No, this is the same
kid.
Oh, it was the same kid, sameexact kid.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, alright, now
you gotta tell this story of how
you found this out All right.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So on Thursdays,
thursdays was probably the most
full day because campers maybe,yeah, maybe Friday, I can't
really remember Anyways full ofactivities, full of a lot of fun
stuff.
But yes, it was during GagaBall.
So Gaga Ball, what is that?
(13:30):
No, newcomb, newcomb, it was.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Newcomb that's what
it is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I was king of the
Newcomb courts at Eagle Lake.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah it was Newcomb.
So if you don't know, for thelisteners that don't know what
Newcomb is, it's essentiallyvolleyball, but you can't move
and there's way too many playersthere's like 20 players on each
side and if it comes near youand you don't hit it back and it
hits the sand, you're out everylike pinballs off of you and a
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couple other people and hits theground.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You're all out.
Yeah, you're all out.
It's kind of like dodgeball ina sense and for some reason,
it's the most important thing towin to a lot of middle school
boys.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, I broke my
tailbone playing nukem really
yeah, because you can leave yourfeet, but then, like, the new
position that you land in, isyou where you gotta stay until
the ball comes near you again?
Yeah, uh.
But yeah, the ultimatesacrifice was made by this kid
and somewhere in between playingNewcomb, and then we went
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straight from that to dinner.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Thursday night was
banquet night too.
Banquet night, dude.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So yeah, he just
unloaded in his pants, Just shit
in his pants and just shit,good old to win nukem dude.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
He was not like.
This is not a second grader.
This must have been, oh, waytoo old, like sixth or seventh
grade.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Way too old, way too
old for this, um, which made me
kind of feel bad because I don'tknow, he's probably probably
just more going on.
But, dude, he's a laugh at himfor it.
Okay, we've all been there.
You know he's probably got acollege degree now.
Yeah, if you're listening tothis man, I've been there.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Um.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I I've been in
situations where I've been
prairie dogging it but um, yeah,been prairie dogging it but um,
yeah, I don't know he hecommitted all the way.
Anyways, it gets to the end ofthe night, we're all going into
our bunks and I am just likedude, and this is after like we
had showered and everything, andI was just like yo, it reeks,
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this is insane and it's I know Ican smell and it's near me
because I remember walkingaround the cabin and it would
just, it would like, dissipate,it would be like you could smell
it right here and then it's,you can't smell it over here.
Then you come back around andit's, it's here, it's under, and
literally like I look down, Ihave my headlight on, I look
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straight down, there's just hispair of underpants, uh, between
my feet, just with that log init.
It was like whatever, probablylike 10, 30 at night I want to
say maybe earlier, but I was waytoo tired for this and I just
like went outside, found a stick, pick, pick the pant, you know
underpants up and just likethrew them just outside of the
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cabin.
I was just I don't even havelike the tolerance or the energy
to like actually just like gotoss him away.
But then I made a point thenext morning to confront this
kid and I was just like what'sthis about?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He was like nuke him,
I did it, those aren't mine.
And I was like, well, after nu,after nukem, we went back to
the cabin.
You could have, like you hadlike all these different chances
to change you know didn't do it, yeah, and somehow like no one
else, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
so anyways, nuke,
just nuke, just pants.
Yeah for the win Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, I've talked
about the gorilla costume on
this podcast before.
Right, you're right.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
See, hey Ty, I just
want to know what it was like
from your perspective, like fromwithin the cabin.
You don't have to tell thewhole story, because people who
have listened have already heardthe story of the gorilla
costume and the whole buildup,but I just I wasn't in the cabin
so I'm only Translated likewhat I heard from the outside.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Um, I haven't Thought
about that literally Since it
happened.
I mean, I'm sure we've probablyTalked about it afterwards, but
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Um, you had the
really rough inner city Mexican
kids that were from Denver, ohyeah, and like none of them
brought real swim trunks.
They just like were too coolfor school.
You had the really rough innercity Mexican kids that were from
Denver, oh yeah, and like noneof them brought real swim trunks
.
They just like were too coolfor school.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, do you.
How did?
Okay?
Just real quick recap.
How did you get that?
How did you procure my campers?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
brought it up and we
and.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I was like so ball.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And they were like,
yeah, we should just run around
all week this and this.
I'm like no, no, no, no, likewe get them to announce there's
a gorilla loose from cheyennemountain zoo, we build up to it
and then I'll I'll put it on andrun through camp and scare
campers and I I didn't tell anyother dude counselors other than
like you and and our buddy gom,and I think you were the only
two I kept in on it.
Oh no, gum was gone, gum wasfired by this point.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah I can't.
I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
There was only like
you and one other dude.
I told about it.
I was like, hey, I'm doing this.
It was probably danny, and thenthe rest of them.
I didn't tell because I wantedit to be genuine, but I remember
, like you, had those mexicansthat were too cool for school.
I'm like, bro, I'll scare thedaylights out of them.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
A couple of them were
super cool, but I think I found
out that one of them had a vapeand I was just like dude Share.
I was like I'm not going toreport you or anything.
I don't want to make this athing which I totally could have
got fired for that.
(19:06):
Yeah, so what?
Yeah, because that other.
Well, anyways, we're getting.
Did anyone cry?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
when I because I
remember I was like picking up
their I do remember porch andlike acting, you know, sniffing
them, and I was blowing on theglass definitely.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Uh, one of my kids
cried now that I'm thinking
about it, which was super cool.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It was awesome.
That was honestly the best.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, kids that have
never really been to the woods
or have seen wild animals, yeah,and then just get PTSD.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh man.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
From making a gorilla
costume costume it was a good
time oh, man, dude, I've neverbeen back, man not?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
once I went back a
few times to do some video
editing and stuff to visit somepeople.
Anyways, you met your honeyfrom there.
I did meet Bonnie, yeah, andnow you and Bonnie have a little
one, clyde Clyde Nice, it'skind of weird that she named her
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son Clyde.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's kind of a you
know we're not going to go there
, Right, but yeah, it's beenalmost 10 years, yeah, basically
every time I ever hung out withher besides, maybe like one or
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two times there was, you know,you were around.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You also had a lady
friend at the time and she's
doing great.
She's out there married withkiddos and she's very successful
, yeah, um it was?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
yeah, it was.
It was a lot of fun to becausewe had like a good group of
friends that would hang out whenwe would have our 24 hours off
the mountain.
Yeah, and one of my favoritememories is we uh there was like
the four of us decided to havelike a late lunch on saturday
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afternoon oh, this is good.
And um, we were somewheredowntown colorado springs and we
were running late and I musthave ran over a nail and so,
like we came out to my 98 LexusLS 400.
Beautiful car, it's a great car.
Rip With a completely flat tireand I was just like like, oh my
(21:43):
gosh, and luckily uh had like aregular rim and tire ready to,
ready to roll and we probablychanged that tire in what?
Two minutes?
two minutes, yeah it was like itwas crazy, it was unreal we
were already late, like therewas no chance we're gonna make
it on time, and then, withhaving a flat tire, it was just
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like oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But I've never had
and I've had like probably three
or four instances of a flattire on someone else's car on my
own, or blunt like pop tire.
I've never had anythingremotely as aligned as that.
It was like Ty and I were likewe didn't attach, no, literally
didn't say anything.
I we came out and I saw theflat tire and Ty says I like
(22:28):
fuck and he's like I got a sparein the trunk and that was the
last thing he said.
And the girls just stood to theside and watched us chain this
tire in two minutes without anywords said and just jacking it
up, knowing exactly where tothrow a jack and, like you know,
take all the legs off and swapit out and uh, we get in the car
and like the girls were likethat was incredibly hot, like
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you guys, you guys didn't sayanything, you just like did that
without having to do.
Like the fact that you didwithout having to communicate
and argue was unreal.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I was like, yeah,
that was, we were really good at
that that we were really on thesame page, and then, for
whatever reason, we decided totake the most ass-backward way
back to camp, which is the realreason why we were late.
But yeah, that drive up RampartRoad was one to remember, yeah
it was a good time, it waspretty.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Anyways, pat, sorry
we were going down memory lane.
No, I don't know if there'sanything you want to clue into
there.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, I like it eagle
lake is.
I've attended there a coupletimes as a camper back in the
day.
It's a special place for me.
Yeah, it's fun to talk about, Ican picture all the spots and
yeah, it's a super cool placeand getting to.
And then also, you know, yeah,had fun summers.
I did my like summer stuff wasat young life, camps and stuff.
But you know, it's nice.
That's just full of funmemories and you're young and
(23:51):
you really don't have anyresponsibilities or like really
everything's fine in your life.
But but then all the um, thecool thing about that is like
you're just so present you know,like there's not like a lot
again.
Other people, people do havestuff going on.
Lives are hard things, but forthe most part, usually you're
just college age, you're herefor the summer and this is your
(24:12):
whole life.
You know, everything's justlike in the moment going on and
good friendships, good memories.
It's where you make lifelongfriends, where you sometimes
find a lady, yeah, and hang outwith them for a long time.
Um, it was at a young life campwhere, um, where I figured out
that I liked makes me do yeah,she was um, we had been friends
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for a while but and she wasworking at the young life camp
on the next mountain over and Ihad to go do a.
Uh, I would get to go over tothat camp once a week to.
We would take my camp was afamily camp and the other camp
was a camp for high schoolers.
Once a week we'd take familiesover to the high school camp and
while the high schoolers wereall gone from camp for the day
(24:57):
on the hike, then all thefamilies could play in the pool
that day and it was a cool wayfor families and adults to see,
like what a young life camp isand see, see that camp and so.
But I got to drive the fansover there and take people over
there, and so then she was abaker.
I'd go see her in the in theold bakery wow, that's so on
brand for her.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I could see her
in an apron bacon.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
She was aproned up
just bacon, wow, covered in
flour.
And I'd go there and excited tosee her and we'd write letters
back and forth, all summer long.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Who initiated?
When did you know she was intoyou?
Was it after you made the firstmove or were you like, oh wait,
this chick's into?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
me.
The funny thing is this was thesummer.
We didn't start dating untilOctober.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Okay, you're writing
letters to each other.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You're flirting
here's what I'll say is like all
of our friends, even leading upto like why don't you guys date
?
And we're like well, like whatare you talking about?
I love attention, we don't likeeach other.
Like like I have no idea whatyou're talking about.
Both of us were like I,literally, but you were writing
letters to each other, but wedid, we, we kind of we uh, which
is a cool thing about arelationship, was it really is
like, was like founded androoted in like friendship first,
(26:06):
and so then it was just a verystrong relationship going
forward.
But that's when I kind ofstarted realizing like yeah, I
think I kind of like this girland so then, when we got done
with summer, came back to school, um then that beginning that
fall semester, we officiallystarted dating hell yeah, and I
initiated that.
But yeah, it was camp, summercamps, college time, it's good
(26:30):
good stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I am so glad that
that's how I met my wife.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Like to just court a
woman in that way, it was a
really good it was.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
It was a you know,
it's a lot better than a lot of
people meet their spouses andyou know college and stuff
bonnie and I talk about it everyonce in a while be like I have
no idea how you could date, howyou would even date right now,
oh yeah yeah, yeah, it'd becrazy.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Feel the same way.
Um, one thing I do want to saytoo is just, you know, ty, I
think about it a lot in, uh, Ithink you were with me probably
at like the most ghetto, likeroughest moments of college,
like I genuinely think, likecause Ty, after summer camp, was
(27:25):
back in nebraska for a minutebefore moving out to colorado
and our college town, and thenhe lived in our college town for
a little while with some randosand then he moved in with me my
, uh, junior year.
We were roommates my junioryear, but the summer before the
junior year he moved in and thatsummer it was just him and I in
(27:46):
this townhome or condo and Iwas working like 70 hours a week
because of the commute, and hewas working like 70 hours a week
because it was construction andwe would literally just see
each other as, like I'm cominghome from a super long security
shift, he's just clonked out onthe couch.
I just wake him up, give himlike a beer because he couldn't
(28:08):
drink yet.
Well, he could, but like hecould buy alcohol and I was 21
and I would just like bring homea beer or something and like we
drink a beer before we bothjust go to bed, to do it again
the next day.
And it was just every singlefucking day it was on.
It was like I would have athursday off and it was just
like that was it.
That was my only day off and itwas random and it wasn't enough
(28:29):
time to turn around, yeah, andthere was like some straight up
moments where, like ty and Iwould somehow like we'd find a
window to like crush a good like20 rack outside just in camping
chairs in the cul-de-sac, justunder street lights, and it was
like some, those are some greatbeers they were good, but like
(28:52):
dude, it was like honestly somiserable like it was like it
was like misery, not because Iwas like an alcoholic.
It was misery because I was likeI have no life, I can't I can't
I cannot differentiate any ofthe days that have occurred in
the last 30 days, like they'reall the same thing and just
mindless, boring.
And I don't even like what'sgood.
What good is my money?
(29:13):
Because I have nothing to spendit on, because I have no free
time, and that summer was justlike it vaporized.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It was surreal it was
really weird Just crushing
beers and like camel crushes.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah was surreal.
It was really crushing beersand like camel crushes.
Yeah, we did.
What was really fun, too, islike I would have friends from
high school come up and visit usthat summer, just when they
because you know they're doingthe same thing.
They didn't go to college,right, so they drive a visit and
there's these horses nearby andI still have pictures and ty
actually found this picture.
I want to show you, bro, one ofmy favorite.
There's horses named.
We called them burt and ernie.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Don't know who they
were but uh, it became kind of a
ritual at one point in thesummer to just like after we
were drunk, to go there, meanderour way over there and just
grab, uh, just grab grasswherever we could, because the
horses already ate, like thegrass over the fence, you know,
we would just feed the horsesjust it was like until 3 am
(30:11):
until until one night yeah, mybuddy andre was up with us and I
mean gosh, he brought a rack ofbeer.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I had a rack of beer.
I mean, we were, we were drunkas skunks and it was like one of
those things where, like, wewere drunk and then started
sobering up because we werestaying up so late, smoking cigs
and stuff and just talking, andthen we just got like drunk
again, like it was like.
But there is this picture fromthat night and while we were
(30:47):
feeding these horses gosh, letme find the year.
What year was that?
That was like 2016.
While we were feeding thesehorses, the like dude who owns
the farm came outside and rackeda shotgun and fired it off into
the air.
Oh my gosh, and like we were soblitzed that we didn't even
(31:13):
jump or like yell, but like weall, we all recall like the
gunshot, but it was.
We were so drunk that we werejust like I guess we go home
like we just stopped.
But it was, it was, it wassurreal to me, uh, that like
that was our, our like reaction.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Um, but were you
riding the horse at this?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
no, no, no, we were
just loud being loud and stuff,
and I'm trying to find thispicture.
Maybe it's uh, I think it'sactually my contact picture of
no, it's not my contact pictureof ty, I can't find it, but it's
anyways.
It's him just putting his haton the horse's head while
petting it, and it's just.
The horse is very happy to bethere.
Um, but we would take everyone.
(31:58):
I mean, we would get my momcame up to visit we all drank
beers and took my mom over tothe horses.
It was a great picture.
This is me, like you, like, Iliterally just got off of a
shift.
I still have my security jacketand headphones on around my
neck.
I probably still have my gun,but it was so much fun, it was a
(32:20):
good time, good memories.
But anyways, yeah, there's justlike a lot of memories like
that.
I do remember like very clearlytoo, when I like oh, here we go
.
Here's Ty putting a hat onErnie.
He's got a cigarette hangingout of his mouth.
I'm going to send that hat inforever.
Probably left it out that hoursthat one would surprise me.
(32:41):
But anyways, the moment I knewwe were actually really going to
be friends was the summer ofcamp.
I had a buddy that was a reallygood friend of mine pass away.
You don't find out about it whenyou're on the mountain.
You just find out when you comedown.
And we came down the mountainand I found out he had drowned
(33:03):
in the river tubing one day.
Oh no, and it was just likepretty crazy, because I was like
everyone only gets like 24hours off, you know, and you
kind of don't want to ruinsomeone's 24 hours because then
they have to go and do a wholenother week of being a counselor
and stuff and it's exhausting.
And I just remember like, uh, Iremember we were hanging out
and I don't remember exactlywhat we did, but I just remember
like you were really presentstill, you know, for that whole
(33:25):
weekend and I was.
I was really, you know, touchedby, just like you know.
These were all strangers beforethat summer and they really came
around and were looking out forme that that weekend and really
considerate, um, and then Iremember the weekend of the
funeral.
It was one of those thingswhere I think, ty, I think you
(33:46):
drove me down and dropped me offat my grandparents and then, uh
, I had a buddy drive me back upfrom college.
But it was one of those thingsthat, again, that was just like
a convenience of, likewillingness to, you know kind of
help me, you know, make make itto this important event Right
and say goodbye to a good buddy.
But that one of those weekendstoo, though, ty is down in my
(34:11):
neck of my of the woods where mystomping grounds at, and I'm
showing him my high school andthis hill that I love to sit on
and make out with chicks on inhigh school, and all that and um
.
For those who those who know?
it's called jackass hill.
Yeah, do you remember this?
Are you talking about themountain?
(34:31):
No, that that hill.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well, while we were
there uh, I don't remember I had
a I did make the ultimatesacrifice oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, go ahead yeah, I mean itjust you know, probably you know
watching sunset on this biggiant hill.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
It's called jackass
hill if you've ever been to.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
It's a beautiful
scenic view.
Yeah, it was super smokingcigars smoking cigars, and
that's probably just what mademe had to, you know, go.
So I and there's, if you'veever been there, there's no
trees, there's no, nothing andI'm like just a hill that goes
down intopeople like rich, wealthy
(35:11):
people's backyards, there wasone faithful bush that I found.
I mean, it's like an arm'sreach away from the trail that,
like you, just everyone uses andI was just like okay, I guess,
and I like wedged myself intothis bush and it was just enough
cover and I just did thebusiness and left the sock.
(35:32):
But Mick didn't know that I wasgonna be um doing this, so I
just like came, I left for alittle bit and I remember, like
walking back and you're likewhere's your?
Why do you only have one sock?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I was gonna say about
that memory, though.
I remember where they'relooking at, all the like
foothills, and I was like Ithink I could, I think I could
pull it on this guy, I think Icould pull over his wool over
his eyes, because to many peoplewho are like coming from the
plains, they think every singlemountain has a name and a story
(36:11):
and there's a reason thatmountain has that name and it's
called Mount, whatever, right.
And I remember I I was like,yeah, they all, they all have
names.
And I just like it alreadycrafted this story in my head
and he's like, well, what's thename of that one nick?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
it's just one for
gimmicks.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Lives for it, like
lives for without it like losing
a beat.
I was like something like oh,that one's like uh deal gloves.
Malin, he was a easterneuropean immigrant, uh, and it
was.
He came just on the heels oflewis and clark and and I'm like
telling the story of like howthey came across and like saw
this and like how they orientedto like decide where they're
(36:49):
gonna go up in, and it got sosteep.
You know, I was building up forlike five minutes or whatever,
just all bullshit, but I was, Iwas, I was working with it and
then I was like it got so steepthough that they had to start
just tossing dead weight.
They took out their packs oftheir wagons and then they just
unhitched the wagons and it justkept on getting so steep that
(37:09):
that they had to carry theirhorses on their backs and like
there was like a moment of likedigestion I saw on his face and
then he was like, oh wait, okay,like this is all bullshit, but
it was like it was so sweet anddo his credit though, like he
got me.
I think I've told this onebefore, maybe on the podcast,
(37:31):
but we went down the mountain tothis burger joint in colorado
sprigs.
Oh man, this dickhead.
Um, he like we're in lineordering our burgers.
I see this like tin that's openand it looks like freshly baked
cookies are in it, but they'rein the shape of dog bones and
(37:52):
I'm like, okay, well, those aredog treats there, but there was
no price thing on them andthey're pretty small.
So I was like whatever.
So I grabbed my drink and I goand sit down and I see Ty walk
up to me and he's just got he'slike chewing.
He's got half of one in hishand.
(38:12):
He's just like bro, those aredog treats.
He's like no, they're cookies.
I'm like what?
He's like yeah, no, it's like asugar stinker doodle thing.
Like or are they free?
He's like, yeah, you should askhim.
I'm like all right, so I go.
I'm like can I get one of these?
And they're like, uh, yeah, andI grab it and I am like I'm
(38:33):
walking back to the table and Ijust see die laughing his ass
off, as I'm like just chowingdown on this and like it's like
when I see him laughing, Iimmediately know it, like
everything connects.
Like he was fake, julie, hedidn't have anything in his
mouth, he just broke it in half.
Oh, dude, like I felt so bad.
(38:53):
Oh, do you remember that?
Were you proud of yourself?
Oh man, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
That was so good that
was so clean.
And then I, to make you feelbetter, I took a bite.
You did yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
The posterity, but
anyways, it's a classic
Solidarity.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Classic getting the
old dog treat maneuver.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, dude, he's so
funny.
Anyways, ty, welcome to theshow.
Introduction and history alittle bit there for people.
Yeah, ty, you were texting methis week, mm-hmm, and, as we
(39:36):
usually do, we text back andforth about all the happenings
in the news in the world andyou're you're asking me my
thoughts and questions.
I said, well, why don't youjust come on the podcast and you
can just talk about this withus, excuse me, and we can just
have a conversation aboutanything you want to talk about.
So no pressure.
But you know, pick a topic,come up with something.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I haven't late,
listened to the latest episode,
but if you Pat, can just likefill me in real quick.
So I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, that's all right,
we can even continue to.
If we get on stuff we'vealready talked about, we can
keep talking about it too.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I mean, and more
stuff.
I guess has kind of come tolight about some things, but we
we talked most recently about umthat, uh, matthew liver's
burger liver is liberals burger.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Levels liver's burger
.
Yeah, what's his name?
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Liver's Berg, um, and
so there, the green Bray who
self deleted and blew up outsideof the Trump tower.
Uh, we're talking about thatand just like a lot of the weird
stuff about it.
You know I use Signal for, youknow, some chats and stuff and
(40:48):
Signal has like your number andyou can only change it with like
an approval process.
That is pretty like when youmanually accept and hit yes a
couple of times on your phone tochange your quote, unquote
signal number because it's likea very codified number.
Uh, it's, it's like a.
It's more complex than justlike a phone number.
It's.
It's like an actual likebarcode.
You know what I mean um, yeah, Idon't know, I've never I'm just
(41:11):
saying it's like, it's like acrypt, it's a encrypted code,
right, which is why like signalsused it for a lot of like just
encrypted messaging, and so,post his death, apparently his
signal number changed, which alot of people like well, you
would only have access to thatif you had his phone and could
get into it and unlock it andchange it, change it like
(41:32):
manually.
So that was one thing.
And then the other thing was alot of people were like, well,
it doesn't look like he shothimself in the head while he was
pulling up.
But, uh, brandon Hulerarecently tested that on his show
to see if a camera would put itpick up the muzzle flash of a
desert Eagle and which thedesert Eagles, the firearm that,
(41:53):
uh, liver's Berg used, and thecamera doesn't really pick it up
in daylight.
Um, so it's like, even if hedid shoot himself, probably
wouldn't have seen it fromcamera did I mean, I don't even
know did they find bullet casing?
yeah, there's pictures of thedesert eagle kind of melted and
(42:13):
it's.
You know, grip is melted andstuff.
Yeah, um, but it is weirdbecause if he here's, the thing
it's kind of like a pandora'sbox maybe not a pandora's box,
but like there's a contrarianthing here of like they say the
tesla camera recorded him andlike they could verify it was
(42:34):
him in the vehicle with theTesla camera and that he didn't,
he wasn't a dead body drivingup, like someone didn't kill him
and then put his body in thecar and then send it to the
tower.
If that's the case, thenthere's nothing offensive about
showing just at least picturesor footage from inside the
vehicle before he shoots himself.
The fact that they're refusingto release it makes a lot of
(42:55):
people think that's a dead bodyin the car with you know it's.
We can have bernie's eyelidsstapled open or whatever, and
that that's what was keeping thevehicle driving forward,
because if you like, fall asleepin a tesla, it starts beeping
and signaling that it's going topower down and pull over.
So it's one of those thingslike you need to have a person
(43:17):
postured with their eyes openand hands on.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I think the hands got
to be on the wheel.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
They don't need to be
on the wheel, really.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
I thought there was a
sensor that you have to kind of
keep touching yeah, every oncein a while.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
It wants you to check
in on it, but you can read a
book or play on your phone andyour Tesla is still going to
drive itself just fine, yeah,but anyways, there's a lot of
questions still.
I don't know if that's what youwant to talk about, but that's
kind of what we went over inlast week's episode.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
That was yeah, and
then week after that we had
these fires break out.
It seems like a number of thosethere's like an element of
arson to them, not all of them,but definitely a bunch.
(44:04):
I mean, at one point they had10 fires, 10 fires going.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
You want to know
what's crazy?
Um, what's his name?
He's a Senator.
Ah shit, he's one of theSenators who's like very
anti-government spending and heleans more Rand Paul.
Senator Rand Paul.
Okay, so, senator Rand Paul.
(44:30):
Recently this is purely a Mickconspiracy theory, right?
Senator Rand Paul recently puton a presentation about how
private insurance companiesaren't insuring these million
dollar houses in California.
(44:50):
But the federal government wasinsuring these homes for these
celebrities.
Like through some kind offiling act, they could insure
their home with the federalgovernment, which was really
weird.
I don't know what it is, Idon't know, I don't understand.
Like the IRS and like the taxrules there on that, but
(45:10):
literally like these were beingfunded with our tax dollars,
these houses were insured.
And just what was it?
I think three months ago or sixmonths ago in Los Angeles, all
these houses lost their coveragefor fire insurance, and so 72.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh, hold on, you keep
going.
No, hold on, keep going.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
No, you're good, but
it was just one of those things
where it seems like a lot ofpeople lost their coverage for,
like, their private coveragefrom insured companies, but they
got their coverage viagovernment funding.
It was too risky for a lot ofthese people to remain in this,
and there's a lot of movementand debate on whether or not
(46:01):
they should remain insured bythe federal government and so,
rather than wait for the federalgovernment to repeal their
insurance and then also not haveinsurance covered in a private
market, had the fires burn theirhouse down, collect the
government insurance payout,move to austin or wherever
(46:21):
connecticut, colorado.
And so that's my big thing islike I did hear that, like
someone they eventually caught ahomeless guy who did start,
they think, the first fire orthe first couple.
But then my conspiracy is afterthat, everything else started
becoming a front for insurancefraud, like a lot of other fires
were started as a, as an intentof insurance fraud.
(46:44):
Hmm, I, that that's my I, I, Iwill bet my own house that
people burnt their own buildingsdown to some degree.
Not everyone, right?
I'm not talking like thegeneral family, right?
Who who loves their home andwants to some degree?
Not everyone, right, I'm nottalking like the general family,
right, who loves their home andwants to stay there and like
this is the home they grew up in, but people who either had
businesses that wereunderperforming I mean, it's no
(47:05):
secret that LA has had one ofthe worst economies post-COVID
just like New York, businesseswere pulling out because of how
much they were losing money fromlooting, because of how much
they were losing money fromlooting, and so I don't really
think it's that hard to imagine.
Some people started some otherfires to burn things down and
collect an insurance, just likethey did with the Chicago fires.
(47:25):
The Chicago fires was one ofthe greatest incidents of fire
fraud ever in American history.
Don't get me wrong.
The Chicago fires were also oneof the greatest fire
devastations, natural disasters,we've ever had in this country.
But it was like, without adoubt, they had found they found
(47:47):
cases of the Chicago fire wherefires were started for the sake
of collecting in on the fires,damage and like a good cover up
of insurance fraud and a goodcover-up of insurance fraud.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I mean, yeah, I'm
sure people would have that idea
to hop in on it potentially andmake it happen.
I don't know, and there weresome people talking about if it
was terrorist attacks and thingslike that.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Or it was the blue
laser.
The blue laser that got Mauiyeah.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
And lots of credible
sources said that you know it
wasn't that maybe eco, ecoterrorist type stuff you know
like could have been setting,setting fires of things.
Um yeah, because there was alot of fires going on at one
time and it is, I guess I don'tknow like when is fire season in
california?
(48:39):
Is it normally, is it?
Like it's all year, just allthe time.
You know there's not a wetseason really, but you know it
hasn't has been a drought for solong.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
But well, I think one
of the things that's happened
that is true for like a lot ofplaces that have experienced
these wildfires that just likeburn crazy is that, like two
years ago they experienced a lotof rain so a lot of vegetation
grew.
Last year it was super dry andso kind of like this time around
(49:10):
there was a lot more fuel toburn, but it wasn't mitigated.
Why it wasn't mitigated?
I mean that's another mitigated, I mean that's another
conversation.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
But I don't know.
Let me say this adding on to itNot only did the federal
government cut funding to thestates for preventative fire
maintenance, like brush clearing.
California started alsooutlawing that as work for
prison crews, without specialexception and natural disaster
clauses.
That just got voted on.
(49:41):
Yeah, yeah, and don't get mewrong, there are some quote
unquote prisoner fire crews outthere right now that are like
legit, doing everything they canto help battle these fires,
right, so props to them.
Um, they're not likefirefighters as much as they are
like helping with the supplychain aspect of firefighting and
things like that.
(50:02):
But then the other part is GavinNewsom cut over $100 million of
funding to LAPD specificallyNot LAPD, lafd.
That was specifically for themaintenance and clearing of
hotspot like debris.
You know, the maintenance andclearing of a hot spot like
debris, um, and I mean so, likeall that is is like I see that
and I'm like that could be justawful government negligence.
(50:26):
That also could just verylikely be like, uh, hey, let's
cash in on this freaking cowbefore it gets repealed, you
know.
I mean like what's one of thenumber one things the federal
government and ourrepresentatives did right before
the covid lockdowns gotannounced.
I mean, ty and I were roommatesat the time you got, do you not
(50:49):
remember?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You have to remind me
they sold all their freaking
stocks like 24 hours in advance,when they knew the like 24
hours before it was announced ofthe lockdown and the stock
market crashed like it's one ofthose things like they're gonna.
If they know something's gonnaget removed or taken out, taken
away out of their hands, they'refor sure gonna be able to move
(51:11):
on that.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
That's, yeah, kind of
how I look at State Farm.
That canceled something like1600 policies or whatever in the
Palisades.
Yeah, I feel like I don't know,maybe they had realized that
this is way too risky for us tocover and we don't have the cash
(51:33):
to cover this if something wereto go wrong.
Yeah, so we're going to cancel,which is crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
You think you're like
, you like pay into that
insurance or how many years andwhatever the cost is, and then,
like you don't get a refund andthey're just like yeah, no, like
just can't, you can't, youdon't have insurance anymore,
(51:58):
which is kind is like nope, toolikely to flood, maybe don't
live in the flood zone.
You know what I mean.
It's kind of like it's a litmustest for, like how safe is it
really to live here?
Anyways, I don't know, I havethose kind of opinions around it
(52:19):
.
I also like think again, it'spretty crazy, like the rioting
and looting not writing, but thelooting that's begun, um, as,
like the danger slowly come downand people are like literally
being, you know, they see peoplerunning in from house to house
and just grabbing whatever theycan and leaving with, because
that's the thing is like whenyou evacuate for fire, you're
(52:41):
pretty much not taking anythingwith you other than clothes Most
of the time you know, maybeyou're getting like the most
expensive possessions that arelike you know.
You like jewelry or a firearm,or and or and.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
you're just not even
expensive stuff.
You're just going to be likestuff that's special to you,
sure, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
But, dude, I mean
it's crazy right now how many
people are having their homeslooted and the police are out
there and being told you need toget out there and protect these
homes.
But a lot of people also havebeen having comments about that
because they're not protectingthe more poor parts of LA that
were damaged, because it's notjust the Palisades Now.
(53:21):
A lot of people think this isstill like just burning in, like
uppity very wealthy LA this is.
This is scorched a ton of LAand the the more middle and
lower class economy has beenscorched pretty hard too.
The police are not patrollingthat as well or as thoroughly as
they are the more wealthyneighborhoods to prevent looting
(53:45):
.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
So yeah, Go ahead,
yeah.
And then there's also there'slooters who are also starting
more fires as they go yeah Well,they've caught a couple already
.
Yeah yeah, they catch peoplewho start more fires as they go,
as they go yeah Well, they'vecaught a couple already.
Yeah, yeah, they would catchpeople who are starting more
fires as they go, as they loot,yeah.
But you know, I don't know.
We wish them well.
I feel bad for folks.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I can't imagine
losing my stuff in a home fire
right now.
I do.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I feel bad for people
and I just it's hard for me to
have any sympathy for anythingbad that happens in California.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Just from years of
mismanagement, misgovernment, I
don't know, I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
When your fire
department's commercial says, if
I have to come in and pull youout of a fire, you should be
asking yourself how you ended upthere.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
It's a tough.
Look, yeah, dude.
Yeah, it's a tough look, I'mlike bro.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
That's unreal to me,
but I heard recently Billie Jean
told me this because she has afriend whose husband is a
firefighter in Colorado Springs.
Colorado Springs I'm throwingshade CS FD, catch these hands.
They don't have to pass thepick up a buddy and carry them
(55:03):
out test anymore to become afirefighter for Sea Springs.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Really, yeah, that's
insane, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
This dude was like.
It is an absolute obsceneviolation to all of us who have
put our blood, sweat and tearsinto training for this, and now
you don't even have to pass thebody.
Carry the buddy carry.
Here's the thing.
People don't get it.
It's like people see thesestupid ads that are circling
(55:32):
online and like, yeah, I thinkit's right to criticize them.
That are like circling,circling online and like, yeah,
I think it's right to criticizethem.
But they see him where thislike christine, whatever lady
who looks honestly like, uh,george lopez's neighbor from the
george lopez show this is likethe mayor of la or something no
she's.
She was like one of the firedepartment chiefs but I thought
she was a trans dude like I wasreally shocked that it was a
legit a woman.
But someone asked her, like doyou think you'd be able to carry
(55:55):
a man out of a burning buildingin the commercial?
And she was like, if I like,why should I have to carry your
husband out?
He shouldn't be there in thefirst place, or something like
that.
Right and it's like this wholedeflection of like it's the
victim's fault for the fire orwhatever, and like a lot of
people have in their mind thatlike, oh, fires only happen to.
Like fat, obese, negligentpeople who have it coming
(56:18):
because of the life, the waythey live their lives, but like,
at the same time, you can'tthink that way and then feel
sympathy for all these peoplewho just lost their houses to
natural disasters or have thedouble standard of being like if
you're a fat slob and can'ttake care of yourself and you
have mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Um you don't deserve
to get pulled out, you should
stay in the fire but if you're afat slob with mental health
issues, you should be afirefighter.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
That's the double
standard, or just like yes, I am
in the wrong place.
My house is on fire.
Speaker 1 (56:50):
I don't know what to
tell you yeah, like I'm, it's
also not my fault, it's alsofell on me, can you?
Speaker 3 (56:55):
help or not, is that?
Speaker 1 (56:57):
but you're just gonna
gaslight me while I am on fire
now part of that training that alot of people don't get is like
most of the time whenfirefighters are in a structure
uh, at least this is what, fromwhat I understand a lot of it is
to assess if the structure canbe saved and if everyone's out.
Most of the time, though, ifthey're carrying someone out,
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it's another firefighter that'swhat I've heard majority of the
time it's another firefighterwho's had a malfunction helping
your buddy get out and so it'slike if you're fat and out of
shape and you can't carry thevictim out of the fire, you're a
detriment to every firefighteron your team because you can't
carry them out and another 100pounds worth of gear, um, and I
(57:39):
dude, it was making me pull my.
I was losing my mind, I was soirate, uh, and I think it's one
of those things where, like, Iwouldn't be nearly as mad if
there wasn't, like legitfirefighters who were even more
pissed and seeing, like andseeing this stuff, like the fact
that like I.
I know people who are like youhave.
You have no idea how mad I amand like having someone who's
(58:01):
like, earned these stripes andknows what it's like to have to
carry a you know, 250 poundperson off in a fire.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Like the fact that
now you don't need to do that to
be able to pass and get on ateam is like there's no excuse
for it, for sure, and the biggerand and there's and I've LA
firefighters are gettingcatching a lot of flack right
now, and I'm sure there's a lotof them who are really good
firefighters too and but the thefailure comes down to the
(58:31):
leadership.
So much more on like the and thefact that if you have the
mentality and the leadership tosay, okay, we're going to hire
these people for this reason,that reason, besides their
actual skill and ability, um andum, to be able to be a good
firefighter If you have thattype of mentality and leadership
, it's also the type ofleadership that's you know put
(58:53):
funding in the wrong places.
Hasn't so the type ofleadership that's you know put
funding in the wrong places.
Hasn't planned for, gottenequipment ready?
And, like we talked about lastweek I think it was last week on
the podcast, we were talkingabout how they shipped off a lot
of equipment to Ukraine, gotrid of a lot of their stuff.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
I still don't know if
that's 100% true, but that is
the rumor.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
Right, and so, yeah,
it's a yeah and, and on an
individual firefighter basis.
Not a lot you can do to a 23000 acre fire at this point.
But it's like that, thatmindset that the leadership has,
that is like been sodetrimental to, like, the um,
their response to it and uh, Idon't, I don't know.
(59:33):
I haven't had to fight a firethat big, so I don't know.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
But also I haven't
been in charge of millions and
millions of people's homes as afire chief, or you know, like I
don't, I don't know yeah, no,dude, I I just remember like I
don't know I didn't, I did not,I'm not saying at all I did
anything nearly as extensive orintense as fighting fires or the
training for that.
It's from everything I've seen.
(59:58):
It's insanely physicallyintensive.
But I remember one of thethings that was like a very
stressful and source of anxietyfor me was when I was in the
training for the sheriffdepartment to be a deputy in the
jail.
The training is a little bitdifferent than like street and
(01:00:22):
patrol training just because youdon't have a firearm and your
backup is a lot closer.
So the way you train for like aconflict and like getting into
a fight is one of those thingsof like.
So the way you train for like aconflict and like getting into
a fight is one of those thingsof like.
And make sure one, yourcomputer that can unlock the
doors to your pod, make surethat is secured and locked away
(01:00:47):
and if you can't get in it, justmake sure it's locked behind
you.
And then the other one was hitthat radio and there's a button
you can press that will do theemergency call if you can't like
talk, and hit that because youhave, you know, anywhere from
two to 10 deputies that are justlike, at most, 30 seconds away.
(01:01:08):
And the last thing this is thething that was a source of so
much anxiety and stress was yougot to just fight like hell.
You just got to fight and fight, and fight and fight and not
give up.
And you got to be ready andconditioned to fight for you
know, 10 minutes, whatever it'sgoing to be.
And that was one of our likefinal tests that we had to pass
(01:01:30):
and like they tell you about itthe whole time.
You're training and in like theacademy and it's just this thing
at the end, where you have oneof you know it's either one of
the instructors or another oneof your classmates who's just
like holding up the red mancushion and you're just wailing
on it, doing strikes, having toyell commands the whole time,
(01:01:52):
and then a line of theinstructors are coming towards
you with like baseball bats,knives, and are coming towards
you and you're being yelled likewhat technique you need to do,
and so like you're in the midstof just swinging, swinging and
going and going, and like theyliterally will fail you if you
gas out and your punches arejust like half ass and they also
(01:02:16):
will fail you if yourtechniques are incorrect for
dealing with, you know, knivesor bats and things like that.
And they failed people likethey.
There was people who were withus up until that and they just
could not.
They didn't have enough gas inthe tank and it was one of those
really weird things where Ifelt bad because I I like some
(01:02:37):
of those people, but then youalso recognize it's like dude,
if they, if they ain't got it inthem right now, they're not
gonna have it in them andthey're gonna be a liability
because as soon as, as soon asyou stop fighting like that's,
you know your taser is gone,your cuffs are gone and you're
probably dead, you're probablygetting your head clomped in and
it's just one of those thingsthat was like pretty surreal and
(01:02:58):
I remember like huge point ofanxiety.
And if they, if I found out thatwasn't any more in the like in
the testing to be a deputy, I'dbe irate dude, I'd be so pissed
because that's also somethingthat we like busted our ass and
trained non-stop for.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
So yeah, it's a
slipping the standards down.
It's not good, not good.
We've seen that everywhere.
I think I wonder about if ourmilitary standards are gonna
kick back back up here with acouple couple people uh yeah
ceasefire I wonder if that wouldonly yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I wonder if that only
happened of the you know, would
you call it enrollment?
Yeah, recruitment Recruitmentwent up.
Yeah, and I don't know ifthat's you know, I don't really
think that's going up.
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
I know a lot of guys who arelike, if we do boots on the
ground in Ukraine, then yeah,I'm going back in.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I know also Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I also know a ton of
other guys who are like For real
.
Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
You know, guys, that
would be like sign me up.
Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
They were already in
the ETS, but they said if we
went into boots on the ground,conflict again and that's
because they didn't have anyaction their whole time To get
killed by a $300 drone.
Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I know right.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I know more guys, too
, though, who are.
I know more guys, too, though,who are like you couldn't.
No amount of money will everget me to put those boots back
on.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
It's true, but at the
same time I mean, what does it
take to do military recruitment?
Really just cool commercials, Apull-up bar in a high school.
Exactly, yeah, for real.
They almost got it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
They almost got a lot
of us.
Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Oh yeah, no kidding
yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I think all three of
us here we're pretty close to
that brainwash.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
No, definitely.
So I think you know, I thinkwe'll see some military
standards go back up and even,honestly, we'll see.
There's been a lot of talkaround leadership and stuff
changing and who's doing to dowhat, and we'll see if any of
them are just a bunch ofpoliticians or if they actually
you know, back up all the thingsthey've said they're going to
(01:05:06):
do, but like, uh, even if yourrecruitment continued to go down
but you hired to raise thestandard, you're at least going
to have people you want there.
Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Yeah, a little more
yeah, the one thing that I like
can see as a potential likeconflict that would get
recruiting up and stuff likethat is, and we've been.
You know there's been talksabout like when's it gonna
happen?
Not just if is the like chinagoing after taiwan?
And I I genuinely think that,like because of how much we have
(01:05:40):
invested there and how the ustech economy is so reliant on,
you know, the semiconductorscoming out of taiwan, that it
would be.
I think it'd be one of those.
It's like.
It's like the new oil man,silicone is the new oil.
Yeah yeah so I could see usgetting involved in something
like that, like not just from athird party point of view yeah,
(01:06:06):
I wonder, you know, you thinkthere'd be like a lot of you
know boots on the ground intaiwan.
Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I think there'd be
sailors and I think there'd be.
Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I think it.
I mean, honestly, I I don't know.
My guess is that it would bepredominantly a lot of naval
stuff, a lot of cyber stuff, oftrying to essentially limit the
enemy's technology, to see yourfleet versus their fleet, limit
your aircraft from functioning.
I genuinely think, like if wewent to war with china in an
(01:06:38):
open sea environment and we hadour aircraft rolling off
carriers, there would be likestraight up, like swarms of
birds that are, you know, justdrones, like just flocks of
drones.
Have you seen those?
Yeah, but that's what I'msaying like they could just
deploy them, launch them fromyou know, some kind of like
stacked sub tube or launch themoff of another ship and have
(01:07:01):
them just be interference andmake it a pain in the ass to be
a fighter pilot or areconnaissance pilot.
Um, and I think boots on theground would look a lot like it.
I think it'd look a lot likeiwo jima, like once you're on
the one, once you're on ground,on land, it's like hold this,
take this island, push it.
And then it's like all right,push it up to the next island.
Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
And it's, by the way,
you're not getting
reinforcements until we can getour ships close enough without
getting them blasted becausechina's got the second biggest
navy, uh, outside of america,yeah, yeah, they've got a major
navy, they've built up theselast 20 years big, big time, and
I the I think, and I thinkthings like that wouldn't
(01:07:45):
necessarily lead to even if theydon't become a boots on the
ground situation, more peoplesign up, um, and to the
recruitment thing too.
I think that I I would wonderto see if they, if the military,
came out and said we're raisingthe bar everywhere, we've
gotten rid of all these peoplethat have been kind of wrecking
stuff and we don't think youhave what it takes to come join
(01:08:08):
us, I think a lot of guys wouldactually come sign up dude, I
don't think this now like 18 to25 year olds that are doing
tiktok dances or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I don't think this
now like 18 to 25 year olds that
are doing tiktok dances orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I don't think they're
like interested in that there's
a lot of those guys, butthere's just like the main.
It is true, there's like a.
Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
There is a
generational cultural like
you're gonna get the dude fromthe midwest that, like you,
would never have to convince.
Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
That's what I'm
saying like the type of guys who
that's, the the's.
One of the main problems withrecruiting has been, though,
that that group has stopped Likethat.
Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
We're losing the
Tylers.
We're losing the Tylers, we'relosing Trevors.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Kyle's not enlisting
anymore All the guys.
Who was?
Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
was it on the show?
We were talking about Missouribeing one of the main?
I don't think so, but like,like, like you know, I was
talking with my buddy about it.
You know just the fact that,like they're like, missouri is,
like been of, it's not a verypopulated state compared to,
like you know, other big ones.
Like it has been a key likerecruitment ground for years and
years and years and nobody'ssigning up.
That's crazy.
(01:09:09):
And not because, and less sobecause of like being, um, you
know, a vanilla tiktok kid, moreso, just because they're like
I'm not gonna go, like I'm notgonna go join a forced
vaccination group led by, likethe rainbow flag of freedom.
You know, like I'm, like I'mnot doing, it's like the, you at
(01:09:31):
least have to kind of fix thatpart.
You at least have to fix thatpart to get your recruitment
back up first, before you canalso then like have a shift in
like the other guys who they'renot joining anyways yeah I do go
ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
uh, I'm just thinking
of the shane gillis bit of the
paw patrol, oh yeah, or what wasthe?
Anyways, my, I get a littleworried that, like you know, I
don't, I don't know if therewould be like this, like there's
already, this big buildup, youknow, to China taking Taiwan.
It's probably going to happen,but I feel like if we were to
(01:10:10):
like make a move with our Navytowards Taiwan, then, like you
know, a little bit of her powergrid goes down.
Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
That kind of stuff
happens.
Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
That's what I get
worried about yeah, cyber
warfare.
Yeah, we get like halfway toTaiwan and then it's just like
another.
Another forest fire getsstarted, brother.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, it could be.
I mean, I do think back to therecruiting thing, though.
It just came out recently thatgen z is the poorest generation
of americans for their like agedemographic.
Uh, in, like american history,outside of like the great
depression, like the last timepeople in the age range of like
(01:10:55):
what is it right now, like 18 to26, I think, um, the last time
they had as little buying powerwas that age group during the
great depression, um, and so Ido think, like one military just
did approve a raise forenlisted personnel from E1 to E4
(01:11:15):
.
And so it's one of those thingswhere, like I do think, as Gen Z
has to pay their bills andthey're not finding themselves
they're also they're moretechnically illiterate, like
they are less capable of using acomputer for work than the
boomers, the boomer generationright now, those of them still
(01:11:38):
in the workforce have highertechnical literacy than gen z,
and so it's one of those thingslike they don't have skills to
make, like to earn high payingjobs, and with that, a lot of
them, I think, will findthemselves like free room and
board food, like and I get youknow some money to spend, like,
(01:11:59):
and I, you know the likelihoodI'm going to fight in a war is
pretty low.
Okay.
So I could see like enlistmentkicking up again once.
They kind of have like a cometo Jesus moment where they're
like I got to pay for my stuff,but we'll, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
That's um, but well,
I don't know, that's kind of I
could see that happening, right,yeah, but anyways, that's uh,
yeah, that's a crazy one tothink of.
I think of like somebody likeI'm addicted to my phone and to
like get thrown into boot camp.
Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Oh man, dude like I
would just be well, but it's
already like.
Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
There's so many like.
Yeah, have you seen the videosof, like, military influencers?
Yeah, that's just, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's wrong, but it's.
Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
It's weird yeah, it
is, it is.
It is interesting the the waythe military needs to kind of
like catch up, to be like quoteunquote, culturally relevant
with the next generation andlike what works, recruiting them
versus doesn't.
(01:13:08):
Was a part of the army psyopsuh department and she ran a
tiktok account, an instagramaccount of just her and using
nods and on a tank and stuff,and I do think that probably
worked to some degree just athirst trap to get the bros.
Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Get the bros enrolled
.
Have you ever seen this?
Uh, I mean maybe scrolling down.
Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
She's like I don't
know, she's like she she, she's
she's attractive she'sattractive, but like it's like
she's attractive and doing allthis military stuff that looks
like it's reserved for specialforces, uh, or you know, special
units and it's the d I kind oflike really, but like that's the
(01:13:55):
stuff that, like you know, Ithink snags like a lot of young
dudes who are just like like oh,she's in there.
Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, like e-girl
yeah, she's an e-girl bro yeah,
but she has a m4 and sits on atank I think she's out now.
Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I don't know if she's
still in the military or not.
I don't even know if she's evereven.
She wasn't.
Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Like bonafide psyop
though.
Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah, nice, for sure,
we all sniffed her out.
Can you imagine?
Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
getting in and be
like dude.
Why'd you sign up?
To serve my country?
Why'd you sign up?
Well, I wanted to get somebenefits that would help my
family.
Why'd you sign up?
Well, I wanted to get somebenefits.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
That would help my
family.
Why'd you sign up, bro?
I actually I need billy jean tosend me this.
This is a good thing to end thepodcast on, actually.
So billy jean is a part of thislike dog facebook facebook
group.
Oh yeah, not a sap, um.
But so there's this dog thatgot posted and it's half border
(01:14:56):
collie, half like Englishbulldog, hmm, and it's kind of a
weird looking dog, like it'sgot a short coat but border
collie colors and it's got likemore of that like sheep dog body
with like a weirdish bulldogterrier face.
Sheepdog body with like aweirdish bulldog terrier face.
(01:15:16):
And she's like you got to seethis.
She shows it to me.
I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
Like a bulldog got real luckyfinding like a like female
border collie and she's like noopposite.
I'm like what she shows me?
This picture of this beautiful,beautiful, just handsome as
hell border collie, like justthe most, like like picturesque.
(01:15:41):
Oh, that's like that is what aborder collie should be like.
That's, that's your sheep dogthat you want.
And then this ugly wrinkledlike saggy eyed.
Saggy eyed, like saggy dog,nipples, bulldog, just it was
like faces all I'd like.
(01:16:01):
I'm just like oh man, did thatborder collie not have some post
nut clarity of like?
Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
what have I?
Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
done.
What have I done?
Like I was like that's the bestexample of like why you need to
really think with your head.
Like because I just got thatdog.
Yeah, well, I told her aboutthat.
I'm like there's so many guyswho just get in trouble because
they don't they think with theirwiener for a moment and then
right immediately afterwardsthey're like what, what did I do
(01:16:25):
?
And I think that's like howprobably a good amount of guys
feel in the military, becausethey like see one hot chick in
the military and then they'relike, oh okay, all right, I'll,
I'll sign up and sign my lifeaway.
And then they're like what,what did I just do with my wife?
So, anyways, it's a powerfulthing, but use your, use your,
use your brain in your head.
Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Do you think we could
see um?
You know like drones that wouldhave like pin.
You know like pin up girls, butit's like e-girls on the sides,
oh yeah, dude.
I you know with like the cat.
Have you seen Darwin's war?
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
on YouTube.
No, it's like my go-to dronevideo that I referenced.
It's this dude with, likecrucifix, earworm, ear wings,
ear wings, ear wing.
God, I can't say the the wordearrings.
Are you smelling toast rightnow?
(01:17:20):
Yeah, like burn rubber, um.
But he's got like these, youknow, crazy piercings and his
hair is kind of like it's it'screw cut, but it's also kind of
like out of crew cut mohawkmullet, yeah, kind of just like
you know it's like cyberpunk,punk rock, like is his whole
vibe and he just sits in thislike van reclined, chair down in
some underground dugout hole inukraine, oh, throws on his
(01:17:44):
goggles, while his buddy's alsopiloting the other drone to tell
him where to pilot, like thestrike drones, and it looks like
the most like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
It's so surreal
because it looks like it's just
stripping his vape.
Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, yeah, he's
ripping his vape and just
blowing homies up, he got anaward for like 240.
Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Something kills holy
smokes confirmed kills.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
That's unreal.
And like I see that I'm like Iknow for a fact that like they
have to be detailing theirdrones out with, like you know
that they have to be detailingtheir drones out with, like you
know, seek-a-bliat, or like catears on them, and like there's
no way they're not like trickingout their drones out of boredom
, because once you do it a dozentimes and you're building your
(01:18:27):
13th drone, you're like, yeah,but what if I like draw a like,
oh my gosh, face on it.
Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Like you know what I
mean and like you're just some
poor dude climbing a cell towertrying to change a light bulb or
whatever have you seen thatvideo?
No, yeah there was I can'tremember if it was you know
russians climbing a russian celltower or radio tower or
whatever, or if it was you know,the ukrainians, but anyways,
this is a video of a drone thatjust attacked these two poor
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bastards that were just tryingto change a light bulb or
whatever, and uh, yeah, I meanit wasn't like they just came in
.
I mean, they hovered around them, you know, and they're trying
to climb down the ladder as fastas they can it's some nightmare
bro, cat and mouse and amongthe.
Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
There's two choices
sit here and take it, or what
are you gonna take?
Jump?
Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
header yeah, take the
peaceful header yeah, probably,
that's probably what I do inthat scenario.
I mean, people survive fallingout of airplanes.
You can survive a fall off thetower no, did I point my head on
purpose I'm going for like thelike, take my last bit of agency
control.
Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Have you seen the
crazy drone that like got you
midair?
Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
that'd be have you
seen the one tie where it's the
two korean guys in ukraine, thetwo north korean guys?
Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
are they fapping in a
ditch?
Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
no dude, it was these
two north korean guys like
huffing it through snow and umthis drone like identifies them
and starts coming down and theyare trying to get their rifles
up to aim at it.
Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Oh, it shoots the
other one, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
And it goes between
them and the guy shoots his
buddy and then it circles aroundthat dude and then flies in and
detonates on him.
I'm like play with your food,much Damn bro.
Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
That was bad.
Yeah, that was, I saw, that Isaw, did you see?
Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
the knife fight one.
Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, and that was
the most unreal footage I've
ever seen with a drone no, thisis just like a like a chest
mounted gopro of a ukrainiansoldier.
Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah, it wasn't in
the trench, it was like, just
yeah, one dude left of this, ofhis team in ukraine, or he.
He was either the last one leftor one of two.
Have you not watched it, pat?
Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
It's like the most
insane thing I've ever seen in
my life.
I mean, I kid you not, there'sno other war footage I've ever
seen that has made me feel sovisceral.
Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
It's like you know
the same thing Saving Private
Ryan, yeah it's the SavingPrivate Ryan scene of.
Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
It's the saving
private Ryan scene of like
fighting over the knife, butjust like in real life, he's
fighting this Russian dude andthey're like taking shots at
each other.
And then he pulls a grenade andthrows it through the window of
this shed, it goes off and thenhe goes around the corner and
the Russian dude's coming outlike covered in blood and
they've already clearly shoteach other, like once or twice.
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But then they start grapplingbecause neither of them have a
sidearm and both of theirprimaries are like hanging by
their sides, and so they'regrappling and they all each are
like pulling for their knivesand trying to stick each other.
And it goes to the ground gameand the Ukrainian's on his back
and the Russian's on top of himand they're fighting over what
seems like just the one knife.
And there's points in timewhere the Ukrainian's hand comes
(01:21:36):
into camera and the Russianhe's a Russian from like, he's a
Mongol, like he's Asian, youknow and he's biting this dude's
hand, like and there's bloodcoming off of it and he's biting
it to try to get him to dropthe knife.
And people have translated thevideo and it ends with the
Ukrainian like you've cut meopen everywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
You're the best
fighter.
Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I've ever fought like
just leave me in peace to bleed
out.
And the Russian stands up andhe's like goodbye, brother.
And they say goodbye to eachother.
And the Russian walks off.
And as he's walking off, hepulls a grenade and the
Ukrainian's like no.
And as he's walking off, hepulls a grenade and the
ukrainians last was like no,just leave me.
And of course he like you can't,you can't leave someone behind
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you, like that he couldn't pickup his rifle or whatever, and so
he tosses a grenade and blowshim up and it's like it was
unreal, like, and the fact thatit's captured on video out there
now is it's one of the mostsurreal things I've ever seen
and, like a lot of people, likethis is crazy because it just
shows you like what fighting wasthe majority of human history
(01:22:41):
yeah, just hand to hand, toothand nail with a pointy thing the
one thing that just blew meaway was just like two dudes
speaking the same language,probably from mean, maybe from
different geographical areas.
Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
But like I don't know
, man, that part, just that part
, was crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Yep, and that's where
I think the to the military
conversation we had aboutrecruitment, and then also, like
you know, where how drones havelike been been incapacitating
aircraft, things like that,where, no matter how far along
we come technologically andwe'll keep advancing and keep
(01:23:23):
being able to do crazy differentattacks through just shutting
down a grid or flying a dronewherever you want, but war will
always be two young guysfighting like that.
That's like the.
That is like no matter how faralong we come.
That's what that thing is.
Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
It's always what it
boils down to in the end.
Well, hey, on that note, thanksfor joining us, kid Ty, thanks
for joining us.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, I hope you enjoyed man.
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Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
till next time.