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How do horror films reflect our spiritual beliefs and moral values? Join us as we challenge the conventional boundaries between fiction and reality, diving into the eerie world of horror movies and supernatural themes. We kick things off with a lively debate about the demonic imagery in TRVE Brewing beers and classic films, pondering if these elements serve a deeper purpose beyond mere shock value. As devout Christians, we bring our personal encounters with nightmares and spiritual warfare to the table, exploring how these experiences align with our faith and our understanding of benevolent and malevolent forces in the world.

Prepare for a rollercoaster of opinions as we discuss the moral implications of watching horror films compared to those with sexual content. Our guest, Dean, lightens the mood with humor, helping us balance the serious and the playful as we share childhood memories of spine-tingling movies like "Predator" and "Pirates of the Caribbean." Reflecting on how maturity shapes our appreciation for the genre, we recount our favorite horror movie experiences, from the nostalgic to the comically absurd, discussing how these films resonate with us and influence our preferences.

Our conversation doesn't stop at the supernatural; it extends to cultural and political reflections inspired by horror films. We explore intriguing theories, such as "Snowpiercer" being a sequel to "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," while touching on today's political climate and conspiracy theories. From California fires and urban development to the complexity of remote work in federal agencies, we weave a tapestry of horror, politics, and societal evolution, all the while urging listeners to confront systemic inequities and embrace change with patience and self-improvement. Join us for an episode that's as thought-provoking as it is entertaining.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
How many of the true brewing beers did you guys go
through there's?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
quite a few.
Those are all ones we've tried.
Well, those are the ones we'vetried together.
I have several more that.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've ventured on my own Is that eight, probably.
Those have all been done on theshow Nice.
I like how they're all demonic.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What?
No, dude, they're not demonic.
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
They're darker.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Not a big symbol guy huh.
Chapel of ghouls.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's not demonic.
You think that's evil?
That witch coming out of thewater, siren, the siren, and
we're rolling, we're in it.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
That doesn't make it demonic, that just makes it evil
.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
They're all evil Gothi.
The only one that's not, Ithink, the only one that I'm
like Blood Axe is that evil.
I think it's pushing evil, butI like that golden sword one.
What's that one?
I can't see it from here.
Skull Seeker.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, that's pretty brutal.
Is the sword going through theskull?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, never mind.
And there's a sword goingthrough the skull.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, never mind, they're all Dude.
The Nazareth is not demonic.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
That's just like a wasteland traveler, that's true,
you mean the yeah, but he'slike the gas mask guy.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
The post-apocalyptic gas mask?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Are you the kind of guy that thinks that horror
movies are not demonic?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
What do you mean like not demonic?
There are definitely horrormovies that are like around
demons horror movies are demonicI mean, I've never felt
possessed or anything by one,but I do.
I do enjoy horror movies a lotyeah, I I think they're cool too
.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I just don't watch them anymore because they scare
you, because they're demonicyeah, I, I, I too have.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
The only reason I watch horror movies is for the
show.
I do it for the kids, sure, butum, I don't, uh, I don't engage
them because I agree that Ithink they now, I think
occasionally not that big a dealand certain ones they're just
bad for your soul, but I'll doit for the kids here on the show

(02:06):
.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know I'm saying sure I get what you guys are
saying.
I guess I've just never feltthat way when it comes to horror
movies.
I feel that way more when itcomes to like brutal true
stories that are like just Ifeel awfully like jaded and
nihilistic about like a hotelRwanda.
I honestly don't think that oneis that, no, but I definitely

(02:30):
think like there's a, there'slike a vein of films that I feel
like are just purely glorifyingthe like consume everything,
give nothing and accept you diealone in a tub.
Sure, you know what I mean.
Mm-hmm, I almost would say thisI feel grosser watching most

(02:52):
like autobiographies than I dohorror movies.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
All right, Because I also.
I just Because they get intothe gross detail of these people
.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, I filter out horror movies that I think are
just like if a horror movie, ifa horror movie's purpose is
purely like shock factor, bodyhorror, gore sure it doesn't one
, it doesn't scare me, it justis like unsettling and I'm not
interested in it.
But like horror movies that arelegit, like metaphorical or
even like based in truth, likethat, I think, is like I think,

(03:27):
it's exploring a deeper, I think.
Yeah, it's like a more man yeah,it's a more human like a thing
for me, and I guess it's alsoone of those things like I
remember being a kid and havingnightmares, right, and I just
had terrible, terriblenightmares, terrible night
terrors.
I couldn't watch horror moviesas a kid because I was just like
I wouldn't sleep.
I couldn't handle the fear andthe anxiety.
I just remember someone tellingme, I can't remember who, but

(03:49):
they're like oh, you're in,you're in total control in your
dreams, like you can.
The things in your dreams areonly scary because you give them
the power to be scary and likeyou can have authority over that
stuff.
And I was like, okay, I'll trythat and sure enough, that's
like 100, true?
Um, if you can develop the uh,like actual, I would say like

(04:12):
habit of being self-realizingyour dreams, right.
Same thing, I think, applies tolike truly like the most
darkest evil, like which is likespiritual warfare, right, and I
think I truly believe spiritualwarfare is a hundred percent
real.
I truly believe I have seen,you know, evil, twisted things

(04:36):
that I wouldn't, I don't evenknow like.
The term spirit is right,because I truly view like spirit
as like a human soul that goeson to an afterlife.
Right, like things that arelike, have no purpose or have no
place, being on the same planeof existence.
It's like supernatural, I wouldsay yeah, I would say like I'd
say ghouls.
I'd say I'd seen some fuckingghouls in my day.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
All right, Some, some , some demons, scooby-doo term I
think I've heard all week.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, because you say demons and immediately the
connotation's religion, right,which all three of us are very
devout Christians, right.
But I think if you describe itin like I would say I don't
necessarily believe inquote-unquote, well, I shouldn't
say that I do believe in ghosts.
I do believe that there's avery thin narrow margin for

(05:29):
ghosts to occupy in, and Ibelieve that's contextualized in
scripture.
Right, it's the, it's theritualistic summoning and
calling upon, just like um Sauldoes when calling.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Solomon.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, but I don't believe in like a soul that
isn't somewhere else, that isjust roaming earth, but I do
believe in like malicious andalso benevolent supernatural
beings that will at times occupylike our material plane and I,

(06:06):
whether that, whether you wantto be scripturally based on it,
say like demons and quote,unquote devils, depends on you
know, if you discern likethere's only one devil and then
there's a bunch of demons, right, there's a lot of variation of
definitions here.
And then of course, angels orother celestial creatures, right

(06:27):
, other celestial beings like,um, you know, angels is grouping
, of course, a ton of like theseraphim the cherubims, stuff
like that right, it's so.
It's like one of those things,like I believe in all of those
and I believe I've seen examplesof each to a degree more so
that darkness evil and I've alsobelieved like it is through my

(06:52):
awareness of like faith and likehow those things are, like what
the rules are around thosethings, is why I feel like I
don't fear them or and I feelcomfortable watching things
about that, like I don't watchit out of like the oh, this
isn't real, this is just fun.
Or out of the oh, man, if, maybewe should summon a demon to

(07:16):
test it.
Like none of that stuff, right,but it is out of like, that
thing of like perhaps like I'veheard it phrased by a more
spiritually wise man than I, buthe phrased he's like there's a
degree of like.
Do you watch other people's?
You might watch it like a movieabout people hunting because it
helps you relive the hunt.

(07:36):
Or you watch like a moviethat's an overlapping experience
because it helps you process orrelive that.
I genuinely think like demonichorror and stuff like that.
There's a degree of that that Ifind almost like not comforting
but just maybe cathartic andlike yeah, dude, that's real and
that happens and like thatprovides validity to.

(07:57):
I feel like some, my experienceis the experience of others.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Maybe you view it through a different lens than
just someone sitting there whowants to be scared, like like
people who just love the scare,that sort of thing, sure I do
enjoy.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I do enjoy the feeling of like, I like, okay,
they, they, they nailed it.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I believe this is real and there is a there is an
excitement to that, but I it'sbeen forever since I've been
scared you know, or I settled,by no means would I say that
there's like there's a lot ofhorror movies that are like good
films, sure right like they'rewell made, they're well written,
like not taking that away fromit all, but uh, I like look at

(08:35):
it like when you do thingsyou're opening, you're opening
spiritual doors.
Yeah, right, yeah, that's like.
And to say like all right, well, if you're in control, then you
can do it.
That's like all right, well, ifyou're in control, then you can
do it.
That's like saying like I cansmoke crack because I'm in
control.
You know, like I'm just goingto try it because I know that
after I'm in control, like I gotthis crack.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Okay, I mean, I'm not even going to lie, I'm not even
going to disagree with, noteven gonna disagree with you.
Sometimes, when I'm like likethere's this movie that came out
called uh, uh, what was it justrecently, I can't remember.
Um haunt, though I don't see itdemonic haunt is, like, I think
, schlocky entertainment like Ido think there's a lot of horror
movies I enjoy because they'rejust like very schlocky,

(09:24):
entertaining, like classic runfor your life from a serial
killer to dean's point, he'sjust.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
He was using the, the umbrella term that we would use
, like when you're engaging inputting, letting the portals of
your soul, which are youreyeballs, engage in naughtiness
and or destructive things,demonic in that of like horror
movies.
It's just meaning it's like,yeah, you could be like, yeah,
the exorcist, demonic, haunt,slasher, whatever, but like sure

(09:52):
to your point being, if I'massuming right, was like
overarching, like this is just aa thing you got to be careful
about putting into your soul.
Yeah, yeah you're opening.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You're opening spiritual doors and in the same
way I would say, likepornography is the same that was
well, that would be.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
My other is like I've never felt guilt watching a
horror movie and I've never feltshame or something from it.
I have left like askingquestions or perplexed, but I
still avert my eyes from anykind of nudity and I out, I go
out of my way to not watch likefilms that are heavy in like
sexual content, right, justbecause I do feel like that is

(10:32):
opening the door to allow myselfto be like spiritually tempted
to watch pornography orsomething like that, right.
But like, if I watch a horrormovie, I feel no temptation to
engage in any thing other than athought experiment of you know
what does God's word say aboutthat you know X, y, z thing?

(10:53):
Or, honestly, like even for alot of other horror ones, it's
just more of like I see them aslike creative what's the term?
I guess I just see them as likea creative expression that is
like borderline enjoyable.
Creative what's the term?
I guess I just see him as acreative expression that is
borderline enjoyable.
Some people would say that at agood old classic porn film.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
No, no, you're right, I'm not denying that I'm not
going to deny that, king Dong.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
No, no, that's a good point.
We watch Portrait of God.
Um, bro dude, uh, no, no,that's a good point.
Um, but I let me.
Yeah, we watch portrait of god.
Yeah, and that was.
That was a scary short film.
It was a scary short, but Idon't see that as like yeah, uh,
uh, evil thing to like open andlike can take, take part, and I
see that as like a, as like aappreciation of like wow, this

(11:46):
is a very like, this is a verywell done film with a very eerie
point to it that I am not gonnalike invest anything, I'm not
gonna be like wow, actually,yeah, god is an evil, malicious
creature, but I see it and I'mlike, damn, that was like really
well done, like that, theconcept was very well executed
yeah, and I think that one.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
What's demonic is whatever just came out of your
dog.
That that is.
That is a wretched dog fartright now that I'm experiencing.
No, dude, that's a dog, butanyways, like some beef liver
dog fart.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
it's like beef liver and duck jerky Last time I
almost got executed.
Well, because you cracked oneof these on a bruiser review
before we did the thing.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's true, and if you guys haven't noticed,
there's three of us here.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh yeah, Sorry Dean's here.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
We got Dean in the house Dean's back.
He's our number one guest.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's been a while On attendance.
You know it's been a while Onattendance you know it's been a
while since I've been here.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean outside of.
Did he go by Wayne?
He did go by Wayne.
Outside of Wayne, you're myfavorite guest.
Wow, Wayne ranks number one,just because Wayne's Wayne bro.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, but also we got Mr Paul.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, I mean Paul's cool too.
Right, paul's also awesome, butI'm not like lifelong friends
with Paul like I've beenlifelong friends with this dude.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's true, I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, but
the—.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
This guy just immediately knows what to do
when he comes on the pod.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
He just knows to get in the groove.
Yeah, we didn't even say wewere starting the show, because
welcome to the Mick and Pat Showfolks.
Little bit of audio for you.
We're just having aconversation about some, you
know, little porn.
Yeah, porn and angels, um, anddemons, um.
I wonder what youtube will dowith like what the ai will do

(13:34):
for our description as we talkabout that.
It's like a little like rom,jeremy, like cherub, um, no, but
the I think what I was going tosay was, in the context of this
, like would be, you know, allthings in moderation, right,
yeah, and then that, just thatblanket phrase, and then also

(13:56):
like the age of someone, oftheir ability to deal with it,
and so I do think of likeengaging the topics and the
things, especially that horrormovies bring up.
Um, I don't think it's good forvery for, like, young people to
watch them and, to, and toconsume like excess amounts of
them.
I don't think you're alsoappropriate for, like an adult,

(14:18):
to consume excess amounts ofthem.
And because we can like you toyour point, you're saying I know
this is a movie and I canappreciate it for its
storytelling, its deeper messageand all these things, versus
like 12-year-old watching theExorcist.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Maybe they can't appreciate it or understand or
comprehend what's going on.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Same thing as, like some people might say like hey,
you're 42, smoke the j, sure,sure, hey, you're 10, what don't
smoke the j?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
you know what I mean, like give me the best or first
horror movie you saw best orfirst dude.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I can't even remember the first one because I
couldn't finish.
I would say like quote, likeborderline, the first horror
movie I ever saw, that I watchedthe whole way through and I
know you're gonna laugh at this,but predator dude predator,
predator is like at like thirdgrade predator made me go from
like oh yeah, this movie'sawesome.
It's an action movie to like.

(15:14):
It's out there in the woods bro.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
The first predator predator movie that I saw was
actually alien versus predator,which was not that good, but it
was still great as a kid.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It was awesome as a fifth grader.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, and sure you know I didn't see any horror
movies till high school.
Pirates of the Caribbean waslike 16, 17 at that point.
Pirates of the Caribbean,actually, I will say that would
scare me.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
That would scare me bad when I was a kid.
The zombies.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, would scale to be bad.
When I was a kid, okay, when Isaw how old the zombies yeah,
the, particularly the monkey,the monkey one, all right.
So I was, so we did.
We watched pirates of thecaribbean.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, what, how old I mean I was, oh, six, maybe,
yeah, so like I was like sixthgrade, fifth grade pretty young.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, now I, we watched that movie.
I guess you could say as thefirst horror movie, because when
he sticks his hand into themoonlight, yeah, oh yeah, and
that turns into a skeleton,that's the first time you go.
This isn't just a disney movie,you know, like this is like
I've been used to pocahontas andsnow white, you know, and
whatever dude, I had nightmaresof them coming up out of the tub

(16:18):
yep, yep, like because theycome out of the water when they
climb on the boat.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
yeah, and, and they're just like yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
And that scene where they just they're at the end
when they're ambushing, yeah,and they're just walking as
skeletons.
Yeah, I mean, because I wasfairly young, that might
classify as my first horrormovie, because also remember
when the monkey comes out as askeleton, as a jump scare, yeah,
that got me so bad and Iwatched this with my parents and

(16:45):
I did.
You know, I might have been asixth grader maybe it's a little
too old for this I was likefifth or sixth grade, but I was
like dad, like I was worked up.
He laid in bed with me.
Oh yeah, yeah for sure.
Also, I had a curious georgestuffed animal.
Oh, yeah, it was like know, itwas over on the wall.
Curious George is tainted now.

(17:06):
Well, my dad couldn't resistthe opportunity.
No way, we're like say, andwe're talking and.
I'm all calmed down and then hegrabs the monkey and out of the
corner of my eye he goes and Ilost my mind, dude, and I mean
he got me so bad.
He thought it was hilarious.

(17:27):
Well, he did for about half asecond till you realize like, oh
, like that was funny for anadult and I feel bad for what,
like I was put in the moment,vinny.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
so, personally care being, I'm gonna go with first
horror movie that came out in2003 actually, so if you saw it
in theaters you were like thirdgrade yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
So I wasn't, yeah, because I was young enough that
my dad laid down on my bunk bedwith me, kind of like you know,
but then he got me with themonkey.
Oh, I remember that to this day.
That's funny.
And then it wasn't until highschool that I started, you know,
like mostly watching thosemovies so that you could
hopefully like hold, hold agirl's hand or like you know

(18:05):
yeah we'd get together as agroup of all of us high
schoolers, and you know scarethem.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I think the first one I actually saw like I I saw
jaws way too young.
I don't remember it at all.
I think I saw it like before Isaw as my brain was still at the
age of development where itcould like black, block things
out.
Yeah, so like my mom, becausemy mom said that I the age of
development where it could likeblack, block things out.
Yeah, so like my mom, cause mymom said that I was terrified of
taking a bath or swimming inthe pool.
Afterwards I have norecollection of any experience

(18:32):
of being afraid to get in thetub.
That's how you know you didsomething wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
You're like damn it Like.
Do you like like?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
my mom and she swears like I was scared as I'm like
dude I.
I can remember the first time Iwatched that movie with my
grandfather in sixth grade whenwe rented it.
But the real first horror movieI think that I saw was with my
grandfather and he was likelet's rent the birds.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh yeah, I watched that with my great grandfather.
Got me dude, dude.
I remember I was watching it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's a black and white movie.
You're like classic, boringblack and white movie.
Then a jump cuts to the dudewith his eyes pulled out and the
birds pecking in his skull.
You were like, oh dude, theimage of that guy's eyeless face
with birds eating his likebrains was that hitchcock.
Yeah, in in like black andwhite is so seared into my brain

(19:25):
like I can see it clear as day.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Still, I don't think I've seen that movie actually
dude it was a decent movie, yeah, and what's crazy about it is
it was like one of the firstapocalyptic movies.
If I told you this, I'd be likehere's the story and it's in
black and white, old-timey movie.
It switches to color at onepoint, yep, yep, but like just
to be like old movie.
You know, here's the deal.
What's it called the birds.

(19:49):
It was just like listenblackbirds, just like come to a
town and like attack people.
You'd be like not scary 1963.
Yeah, you'd like not scary, butit was.
It was scary.
It scared people.
I remember, I remember Iwatched it with my
great-grandfather and my mom.
It freaked me out, got mepretty scared.
Yeah, and if we're going withother uh, other scary, like

(20:13):
because of age, I did my momwhich funny is my mom, like
conservative christian,protected me from a lot of
things, um, but what's funny isshe just didn't realize.
She sat me down by myself and Iwatched jurassic park when I
was five see I, I was same age.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, no horror, no fear at all saw, just pure
amazement, pure wonder.
Yeah, I was like, oh, dinosaursare cool, like I, people
screaming as they're eating.
I'm like that's fine, yeah, I Iwas.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
I wasn't ready for that.
They're hungry, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I wasn't ready for the for the real people being
eaten when I'm supposed to bewatching barney you know um for
real I remember, like it, it waswithin that like two hour
runtime of that movie.
Whatever its runtime is, I wentfrom being a I love
construction trucks, I lovetwack.

(21:03):
Toes To like these are dumb.
Give me dinosaurs, give medinosaurs, give me dinosaurs and
army men.
So dude, I literally justentertain myself with my
dinosaurs eating army men.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
For decades.
Yeah, yeah, four to sevendecades, we don't know yet it's
still going, actually.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'm still entertaining myself with that.
Actually, it's just, I do itwith friends now, and every
friday night it's calleddungeons and dragons.
But like, um, no, dude, I lovethose movies.
I will say all right to yourpoint, though, dean, my favorite
horror movie, those are likethe first ones I can roll my
favorite one, though, is a very,it's a very dark movie it's,

(21:45):
but it is very much on thespectrum of like spiritual
warfare reality, um, and I'd sayI'd say it's tied for two.
There's one that's called whereevil works.
That is like a.
They're both foreign actually.
Uh, this one is like a out ofmexico, I believe, or argentina,

(22:06):
and it's really weird.
It's not like overly stated, butthere is some kind of
transmitted like epidemic of youknow, a demon.
Like you can, you can literallycontract some kind of demon
possession and there are certainpeople that are older now that

(22:27):
remember the ways of how to getrid of them, and no one lives in
the cities anymore.
Everyone lives like out in likesmall, more rural village and
communities and it's likethere's immediately no like
debate of like what is going on.
They just find this dude reallylike fat and bulbous and
infected, like it's likestraight out of like the old
testament, and they're like oh,he's, he, he's one of them and

(22:51):
like they.
The word they use is weird likeit's, it's like the spanish
word for like consumer.
Yeah, no, seriously, yeah, andlike and like.
They're like.
There's a special way you haveto do it, because if you don't
do it the right way, the demongets to essentially continually
like possess and move from hostto host throughout, like this
community, right, um, and it wasjust unreal how well done it

(23:16):
was and it's like clearly asmall budget.
But you watch it and you'relike, yeah, that could, that
could be for for real, like thatin the future of people who are
like not spiritually prepared,like you have no idea, like what
the end of the world is goingto be like, you know in the end
times, you know according torevelation, right, and it was
just like a very sobering takeon like and there's some,

(23:36):
there's some pretty crazy stuff,uh.
And then the other one is aboutthis cop who's undercover as a
priest and he's investigating alike romanian monastery where a
ton of women have been likedisappearing around in the in
the area, and, uh, I don't wantto spoil that one, but it was
really good too what's the nameof that one?

(23:56):
I gotta look it up, uh, but itwas that one was like all like.
It was constantly on the knifeedge of like.
Is this movie going to confirmsupernatural?
Occultism of possessions, or isthis a stunt and this
priesthood is actuallykidnapping and murdering women?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Kind of like that first season of True Detective
where you're like is thishappening or not, I don't know,
but either way it's bad, I don'tknow, but either way it's bad.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I don't think that I saw any quality horror movies as
a kid because they were alwayslike.
Actually, I saw one and I willsay this is a pretty good movie,
but there's a collection of thefirst One of them that I think
was the first one I saw was acollection of a few of them that
I think were amongst the firstthat I saw.
One Jeepers, creepers, oh,classic, yeah, two of them that
I think were amongst the firstthat I saw one jeepers, creepers
, oh classic, yeah.
Two, so entertaining, uh, noteven more of like a horror slash

(24:52):
, just like odd movie.
But freddy versus jason, ohyeah, that's kind of almost a
comedy now, yeah, yep.
And then, uh, the texaschainsaw massacre.
Those were like the first threethat I saw g1.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, I, I.
I had to wait until like twoyears ago before I had the
courage to watch that.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I watched it when I was five.
That's brutal dude, and that'smaybe why I actually hate it,
and you were probably fucked up.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I watched that like two years ago during the day, I
was like man, this movie is likeall over the place and doesn't
seem to be very coherent.
The sound design is really off.
It was definitely made for like$1,000, $10,000, right.
But you see that and I can seevery clearly like you watch that

(25:38):
and you have no idea how tomake sense of it, and you're
just like old houses in ruralparts of wherever, never going.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
In them, yeah, yeah, in them, yeah, yeah.
Well, and then the.
The next one was like, uh,definitely like more quality,
but still as strange, right,like, because there's like you
have jeepers, creepers and youhave fray versus jason, which
you can like look at those andbe like these are ridiculous,
right, but, like as a kid,there's some like frightening
aspects to it jeepers, creepers.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Couldn't finish it turned it off as a kid.
There's some like frighteningaspects to it Jeepers.
Creepers couldn't finish, itTurned it off as a kid Dude.
I remember like the truckhonking as he's chasing them on
the road.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I turned it off because I was like I did a lot
of road trips with my mom and Iwas legit so scared seeing that
I was like, oh my God, someonecould drive us off the road on a
road trip.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
And I remember turning it off at like and I
think I actually saw the secondone before I saw the first one
with the high schoolers, yeah,on the bus, and what I remember
is driving the blockbuster withmy dad in his like old ford yeah
, to probably go get anotherhorror movie.
Yeah, and like, just I'm inlike this, like this spider-man
costume that I had for mybirthday when I was like four,
and I'm just all I can think ofis I'm just about to get ripped
through the roof of this car,like claws are gonna come down,
just grab me by the shouldersand just tear me out like all

(26:52):
the high schoolers on that bus.
That's terrifying.
Yeah, no bueno, yeah you don'thave a you don't have a favorite
one that you ever saw where youwere just like that was an
objectively good movie honestlythat when I, when I think of a
horror movie that I'm like, oh,this was like a, a good movie
that I like, enjoyed, enjoyedwatching.

(27:13):
They're actually more comedythan they were horror.
It was like, uh, like the first, like they're not even horror
movies, they're like they'remockeries, like the scary movie,
like tucker and dale versusevil you ever see that?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
uh-huh, that is a great movie, it is a good one.
Tucker and Dale versus evil youever see that?
Uh-huh, that is a great movie,it is a good one.
Tucker and Dale versus evil islike I think.
Maybe that movie will get ridof anyone's fear of horror
movies.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, that's, that's why I liked those kinds of
movies.
It's like you like watch thesehorrific movies and then you
watch a comedy of them and itlike really lightens the mood,
you know I'm gonna save this.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I have a good story about scary story.
I mean not scary stories, ascary movie and stuff.
Uh, because that, to your point, that's 100 something I had had
as a kid.
Pat, where were you gonna sayfour favorite yeah, favorite
horror movie?
I made you watch a couple goodones.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
We've watched a couple stinkers I, I'm gonna go
with the Saw series.
I just liked it, the series asa whole.
I mean like the idea of it.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah it's maybe one of the best series.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Like it fell apart.
I will be honest, I loved thefirst movie, Saw 18, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
The first movie I thought was great.
Yeah, everyone.
After that I was like thesefucking suck.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Well, because these might have been the first ones,
I really sat down and justwatched like I was like a senior
in high school, like whateverlike, and so it was like the,
especially the first oneparticularly first one's great
yeah, so the rest, like,probably won't lump the series
together as much, as just likethere was something about the,
uh, the idea of the movie, thatand I haven't even watched it

(28:39):
again since I was 17 or whatever, but like I.
I just remember watching it andbeing like to your point about,
maybe, why you the parts ofhorror movies you like, but just
being like, oh, this is, yes,this was, this was gross.
People died, people whoshouldn't have died maybe died,
or, in Saul's case, they'resupposed to die.
Like they should be dead.

(29:00):
He's giving them a secondchance, maybe if they're, you
know, criminal.
So, like you're dealing withnuance, not just like straight
good and bad, and you're dealingwith, um, personal choice,
personal decisions, like allthese things were like I was old
enough to comprehend what thestory was telling me, and not

(29:21):
just like, oh, these are scarythings happening over and over
again.
Yeah, and so the like.
I think that that one you know,the, that's probably the one
that's maybe liked the moststuck with me the most.
Then again, never watched itagain after.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's conceptually one of the better like series ever
made.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
It was just so poorly executed I mean, I think the
first movie does it perfectlyyou know, the first movie is
like everyone has theopportunity.
No one has cheated out of theopportunity to survive, and the
people who do survive are theones who play by the rules to
survive Right, and the peoplewho die are the ones who can't
like bring themselves to, likeyou know, overcome whatever that
crux is, yep.

(30:00):
Every movie after that, though,no one is allowed to live Like.
If you watch the other ones,you're like oh, these are all
designed so they so the peopledie.
There's just no way out.
And the Saw purists?
I've talked to some of thesepeople who are like you know,
they're obsessed, they knowevery single detail, they know
the set designers for each trap,and they're like no, no, no See

(30:22):
, that went too far with thetraps.
And jigsaw punishes her in sawfive.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
I'm like I ain't got the time, yeah like I'm watching
this purely to see if they canescape or not, and and that too,
being that I don't like demonichorror movies, I don't like
them I don't want to mess withthose, I'm not into them.
And so the one like this one inthis case was like, yes,
dealing with evil, but we're notin that, like supernatural
space.
And so the one like this one inthis case was like, yes,
dealing with evil, but we're not, in that, like Supernatural

(30:47):
space.
And so I could, like I could, Icould jive With it.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm more unsettled and afraid of that.
Like I know the name To say tomake demons Fear and shudder,
there's no.
Yeah, no, no, I'm just sayinglike, there's just like there's
nothing you can do about trulyevil humans like and maybe I
feel differently because I'veseen, I've looked in the eyes of

(31:14):
truly like chemicallyimbalanced, absolute, like evil
people and I've come to grips oflike, okay, I should be scared
of this person.
Like the only thing keeping mealive right now from this person
is a steel door with locks andlike a like very shatter
resistant reinforced window.

(31:34):
The other stuff, like anytime Ifelt like that presence of you
know evil, like demons orwhatnot.
I have felt that I can takerefuge in christ and my faith,
and I've heard that alsorepeatedly, over and over and
over again from so many otherpeople who've encountered that

(31:55):
stuff.
Now, I think the opposite mightbe true for non-believers right
.
The concept of like demonsbeing real and having no
authority or control over them,being at their whim, right,
which is what we always see inthe plot of horror movies.
Right, I think that's whyparanormal activity exactly the
most frightening series, thevictims of paranormal activity
are never believers who can justcall them the name of jesus.

(32:16):
They're always like people whohave are pretty much like they
have no hope from the get-go,because they have no toast, or
like just accept death.
At that point, yeah, a brutalthis thing's been stalking you
since you were seven and, yeah,it's over baby um.
But like I, I'm genuinely I'mgenuinely more disturbed by the

(32:38):
concept of, like, a trulyderanged individual making their
whole life revolve aroundstalking me and my wife.
I think that's more horrifyingto me.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I think that's why texas chainsaw massacre was so
frightening to me, because I'mlike span, literally cut
people's faces off and wore themand he was real.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And he was real like leather.
Yeah, that did.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
That was the scariest part he was just one of those
deranged people in texas, likeliving in the middle of nowhere,
that just like preyed on peopleto happen to come past him.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You know like yep, there was a my friend when she
was growing up.
Her friend had a like barney orbarbie dvd.
Like case was the barbie orbarney dvd.
Open it up.
The dvd picture on it waswhatever barney pop it in porn.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Texas chainsaw massacre that's a weird, weird
thing to burn onto the dvd.
It was just some sort of likesomeone burned it, or it was a
chinese copy, just or just whoknows?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
yeah, but they, I think they got a lot of money in
a settlement.
No way you sit your kid down.
Put in Barney.
Put in Barney, leave him Comeback in there in leather faces,
wearing people's faces.
For a four-year-old and yeah,they got a big settlement from
it From that, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Honestly, that's probably like you're in a
factory.
That's like making these DVDsand some guy's like.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I'm about to mess some stuff up.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Exactly, I'm about to do some damage, that's why I
think they had grounds for it.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
It's like somebody did this, you know, because you
walk back in and as a parentthat'd be horrifying, because I
do put a lot of effort into notletting my kids see any of this
stuff.
And back to my what I saidbefore like one needs to be in
moderation.
Two, you got to be of an age tohandle it.
Like yeah, imagining my likekids, like seeing or engaging in

(34:40):
any of these things, like nope,and especially because, and
like they are so multiple andlike kids are also just more
open to like the spiritual realmI think you know I like and I
think, just in the same way thatthey're sponges for uh, they're

(35:01):
sponges for everything,including that that evil stuff
is just like.
I gotta keep that away.
Like I had a, I had a, uh dateda girl in high school who she
like she watched so much law andorder, svu, oh my gosh and so
that shit will fuck you up andso many swear and so many horror

(35:21):
movies like all the time.
Guess what she constantly wasdealing with?
Extreme anxiety, really, andfear all the time and I'm like I
wonder why yeah, maybe it'sbecause all you do is watch
movies about, or movies aboutscary stuff, and then a tv show
about girls being raped, moviesthat tell you you're gonna die

(35:42):
exactly and like it's just likeit was like, exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
You're going to die and we're not going to catch
them until way after the film.
This is not healthy for you.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
This is not good for you.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
And then, chances are , your family is going to die
too, because somebody else isgoing to find them.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Exactly.
I think that all that stuff hasjust got to be, do you guys?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
make an exception for horror movies that end with the
good guys winning.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
You all that stuff has just got to be.
Do you guys make an exceptionfor horror movies that end with
the good guys winning?
Uh, you know what it made me.
Let's talk about saw made methink of this one movie called
um, uh, like untraceable orsomething.
Oh, and it was like verysaw-esque where, like, a guy is
like I think it's on Traceable,I could be wrong.
But, this guy's killing peoplein very Saw-like ways and he's

(36:34):
doing it on like live stream.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And the FBI is trying to catch him.
Yep, yeah.
And then, man, one of thecraziest ones was the main
character.
This FBI agent, her partner,gets captured and he's in a
giant tank of water and they mixit with some sort of compound

(36:59):
that basically turns intobattery acid.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, turns it from water to hydrochloric acid.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yep, and he's slowly sitting there and Right Turns it
from like water to hydrochloricacid, yep and uh, these like
slowly sitting there and likethey just start pumping it in,
and by the time they get to him,this guy's like yeah, head and
then a skeleton, yeah, and Iremember that that was just like
I was like oh gosh but theykilled the guy In like a not

(37:28):
very eventful way.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
To be honest, it was not a great way.
The movie was super far aheadof its time.
Though, see, there's somethingabout like just like I guess,
like horror movies too where,like I do see in the end that
like good prevails you know whatI mean Like I do enjoy.
There's a special exception forthose for me, like, even if
they're rather, you know,upsetting or disturbing partway,
it's like knowing that, like,in the end there is justice, in

(37:50):
the end there is something goodthat occurs.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
And that's what there is a difference.
Yeah, in movies that like canengage in like extreme evil and
horror, horrifying things, butlike hard thing about like
majority of horror movies whereit's just like there is no hope,
there is no like there is nolike like the girl's going to
leave the shotgun again Like ohmy God.
Or even like, and there's justlike or that ends so like, and I

(38:14):
get it, it's part of the genre.
Just end the movie and leaveyou feeling empty.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I do appreciate Stephen King, sort of like
horrors, though what?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Those are.
So I'm sorry, my knee-jerkreaction is just shock, because
I feel like those mostly don'tend with good endings.
Yeah, but they're just funny.
I guess they are funny.
Have you seen the Mist before?
Yeah, that's brutal.
That's not how it ends in thebook.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Really.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
No, I didn't read the book.
I didn't read the book.
I didn't read the book.
No, that's not how it ends thebook.
I can't remember exactly how itends, but he doesn't just
execute, fucking everybody andnot have ammo.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
You get to the end of that movie and it's like damn
that's a brutal one time.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
To watch an episode of friends yeah, that's what I
do after those movies.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I always put on something because I'm always
watching horror movies with mywife, billie Jean God bless her
and my buddy JB.
It's just pretty much wheneverJB comes over on Tuesday nights,
sometimes it's movie night andI throw in a spooky horror film
and I love watching it with thembecause it's the classic.
They're scared the whole time,they're getting mad at me,

(39:25):
they're getting unsettled.
Jb's turning me like bro, bro,bro, bro, bro, yeah, and billy
jean is like you said, thiswasn't gonna be that bad, and
I'm like grabbing me and shakingmy arm.
I look at her and she's likenot even looking at the screen,
she's like just face down,pillow in front of her, looking
like the plot of the movie onlike wikipedia.

(39:46):
I look at jb.
Jb's just like looking at thefloor, heads over his eyes, and
I'm like the only one stillwatching at points and then at
the end of the movie, withoutfail every time as soon as the
credits were like yeah, it waseven that scary, that was dumb,
why we watched that, that wasn'teven that.
And I'm just like you guys aredorks.
So I think that's also probablywhy I enjoy it, because it's

(40:08):
just like a cathartic rhythm inour group of friends, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, and that's what Mace Windu.
She can't even handle a badepisode in CIS, yeah, so if we
do anything actually scary, likelike the uh, stranger things,
stranger things gotta, they'restarting to get some scary parts
in there, you know, sure, andshe just can't.
It's like full pale frozen like, like like like I mean like

(40:38):
just frozen in fear, like maybeone tear, like just I mean like
just can't even, just can't even, and so I've have you guys
watch my?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
my wife is similar.
Have you watched uh um, uhseverance?

Speaker 2 (40:55):
yeah, I love severance.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Billy, jean and jb and I all watch it every tuesday
yeah, my wife like after that,like can we, can we watch an
episode of, like BrooklynNine-Nine For real?
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I mean, I'll be honest, the latest episode of
Severance was pretty spooky, didyou see it?
I don't know, I'm pretty sure Idid, but I don't remember it
being that spooky Dude, thefreaking guy in the goat costume
.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Oh, okay, that part was like it was weird, it's
pretty unsettling to me.
Yeah, initially because you'relike.
You're like what the heck isgonna happen, and then it
honestly made me think of likevery demonic a black goat yeah,
yeah, I don't I don't disagree,that's.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
If you want to make anything scary, black goat, add
some goat horns oh yeah, yeah,makes it feel creepy.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It made me, it made me think of like first season
true detective oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, that's.
A lot of people don't know whatthe that horror is based in
first season true detectives anda lot of people have a hard
time describing it.
Uh, hp, lovecraft islovecraftian horror.
It's all based in the likehorror of an old and very

(42:07):
powerful entity that isessentially waving its hand and
got a cult of dedicatedfollowers.
That is just beyond the reachof real life right Anytime.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I see the goat.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I just think of the spirit of Baphomet, which is the
classic Baphomet, which is likethe classic baphomet yeah, the
baphomet no the true detectivedidn't have a goat in season one
, but there was the man inyellow is what it was always
referenced right in the spiralwasn't?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
didn't the first person who died have like some
like weird horns and stuff?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
she had bramble like antlers, like deer antlers and
stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's what it was something, something creepy, and
hp lovecraft.
He looked like a weirdo well,most horror, I think.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Like writers are weirdos, yeah, but yeah, he's
true, like, yeah, he's like awild looking.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Hey this beer.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
How do we feel about it?
Uh, it tastes to me likeblueberry yogurt.
That's what kept me like reallyconfused.
The first like three sips I'mlike damn, I'm drinking.
I'm drinking a danimals yogurtit.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
It smells like uh, if , if you left captain crunch in
a bowl and then like in themorning the milk.
Well, in the morning you hadcaptain crunch in the bowl and
then around noon you came andsmelled it.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
They make this because they throw entire pies
like into that's not real intothe process that's not real.
Someone just told you that samething with their fruity pebbles
.
They have like a fruity pebblesour and a fruity pebbles IPA.
They just like load up boxes offruity pebbles and toss them in
.
That's not real.
I think I'm warming up to itstraight from the brewery.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
They told me that well, yeah, they tell you that
that I cannot imagine you canthrow fruity pebbles into like
beer.
Why?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
because it's just grain and sugar, some beer, some
red five, you're just dude,you're just a hater yeah, I am.
I will say I'm on my third sip.
I'm not sure yet, but I justwasn't ready I'm like I'm down
to the third left.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, I, I just I was open the second one.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I was yeah, you should have it.
I was having my shiner buck, soI just had a hard shift, that's
all I'm just you went.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
You went from diluted like water beer from beer.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, water, beer.
I've like, I've had this before, so I know exactly what to
expect this is.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
This is more beer to me than shiner buck.
Shiner buck is very, very waterbeer.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Shiner bucks water, yeah, but yogurt, yeah.
Yogurt pie well, it's notsupposed to taste like yogurt.
Very water beer, china boxwater beer, yogurt pie Well,
it's not supposed to taste likeyogurt, I think.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think it's supposed to taste like blueberry cobbler
, but it's the mix of it.
Being a liquid, it's theclosest thing my brain can
associate.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
What were those yogurt Gogurts?
Yeah, gogurt.
Do that again.
Do that motion again with yourhand, put your mouth on it.
How do you?
How'd you?
What'd you do with the yogurt?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
like slurping um, it tastes like a gogurt yeah, yeah,
hey, by the way, this is what Iwas gonna say.
One the movie that was reallygood, that I liked.
Uh, about the polish undercovercop hellhole, hellhole it's got
, it's got.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Is it a Polish movie?
It is.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
It's got mixed reviews because a lot of people
didn't like the ending it's inPolish.
I enjoyed the ending.
It is in Polish You're justsubtitling it out.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Hell yeah, I respect that.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Helps it be less scary.
Just focus on the words down atthe bottom.
God damn what did you just say.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
I also think here's one thing that I think is the
benefit to foreign movies that,like foreign horror movies, you
don't know if they're good orbad actors that's true, you have
no content, but, like you know,someone's a good or bad actor
in an english horror movie.
Anyways, um, did you, did youwatch?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
uh parasite I did.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I didn't think it was a horror movie, I thought it
was kind of boring, just ageneral movie I did not think it
was nearly as good.
Uh, our buddy, uh what was hisname went on here on the podcast
last time he came on I don'tknow he was just on.
Uh, we talked about campstories, it's not Ty.
Yes, he really loved that movieand he overhyped it for me and

(46:12):
I was like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I didn't really love it, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I didn't even thoroughly enjoyit.
Here's what I liked about it asa foreign film.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I did not think it was Emmy winning as a foreign
Grammy, winning whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
They made the dialogue in it really simple so
that it could remain as a likeas a Korean film, like with
subtitles.
Sure, the fact that you canhave a foreign film that does
that well in the U?
S is actually pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I think that guy's a movie about the train circling
the globe in the forever winterwas better with Captain America.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Is this one of those things where you give me like a
winter soldier?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
No, no, no, no, Okay, all right, so that guy,
whatever is, I'm going to lookup.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Chris Evans.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Chris Evans is in this movie, he's the lead in the
movie.
And, guys, this movie, you guysaren't going to think I'm
telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Every time I see Chris Evans in a movie that's
not Captain America, I'm justlike.
This guy's not Captain America,like he's like.
He has to pull out his shieldany second Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Snowpiercer.
Snowpiercer by Bong Joon-ho,who also Bong Joon-ho, did the
Parasite, and a couple otherones.
Guys, snowpiercer, I think it'sjust a sequel to Willy Wonka
and the Chocolate Factory, andI've seen someone make a video

(47:35):
and the case for it is unreal.
But you watch Snowpiercer thefirst time and you're like, okay
, what the fuck am I watching?
Is this?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
like.
What's His Name?
Making a really good case forTop Gun just being like a
homoerotic film?

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No, it's not that guy , but it's kind of the same
thing, not that guy, but justlike same idea yeah.
I mean, top Gun is a homoeroticfilm.
What are you talking about?
I love watching that movie withmy homies.
Snowpiercer is crazy.
It's literally like at the backof the train are the poor,

(48:16):
impoverished people in cars, andI don't even know if there's
work for them to do.
They just have to freaking,occupy themselves all day,
living inside train cars,because outside they will freeze
instantly to death or somethinglike that is what they're told
in the train operates on anuclear engine and just circles
the globe constantly and isusing momentum in the orbit of

(48:39):
the earth or rotation of theearth, yada, yada, right, it's
just like fictional stuff, right.
But as you move up from theback of the train, each car is
progressively better off to do.
And then they get to cars thatare just like full cars, that
are just restaurants, cars thatare just completely devoted to
aquariums, cars that are justlike devoted to like early,

(49:02):
comfortable children's educationand like some cars are like
dedicated to just being like oneperson's whole house.
And you watch it and you'relike what the hell, what?
There's no way they'd waste awhole train car for like this
weird tiny elementary school,for like the five wealthy
elementary kids, and you're justlike capitalism's dope but yeah

(49:25):
, exactly, I think I should likeyou should be communist you're
watching.
You're like, bro, this isliterally like if, like people
crawled out of jakarta into,like you know, like boulder,
colorado, and like they'd belike there's whole blocks just
of restaurants, whole blocks.
These could be houses, like youknow what I mean like it is one

(49:46):
of those things that is justlike insane when you're watching
it and you but like it's, it'svery entertaining.
Chris evans is okay in it, buthe's not even remotely close to
the best part in it.
Uh, but it's, it's really good,it's really good, I'm still
stuck on the charlie and thechocolate factory thing yeah,
that's why you need to watchsnow piercer, so that way you

(50:06):
understand that it's a sequel tocharlie and chocolate factory
all right you know that he endsup in the factory right.
Charlie, yeah, yeah, andCharlie ends up understanding
the debauchery of mankind andunderstands that it's only so
long before mankind annihilatesitself in a deposed destruction

(50:29):
of the environment throughclimate change.
So he uses his wondroustechnology to build an infinite
engine.
He gives out tickets to join thetrain and the tickets are given
out through candy.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I'm going to recreate this series of tasks so that
the poor people can justcontinue to dominate.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Who knows, were they poor people or were they wealthy
people that ended up drawingshort sticks and having to ride
in the back of the train?

Speaker 3 (51:02):
The final train car is just the four grandparents in
the bed.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, I think about that all the time I'm like damn
that's gotta be, Honestly.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I think, like damn that's got to be Honestly.
I think that's pretty cozylooking.
Yeah, it's looking pretty goodbro.
They've got to be staying warmin there.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
The fact that Grandpa didn't know how to walk.
How long had he been in thatbed, dude?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Like where he had to learn how to walk again.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Oh, grandpa Joe, I loved that movie, that original
Charlie and Charlie.
I always remember that moviewas taking place in england.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Uh-huh, it did not take place in england, no, yeah,
but in my head I'm like, yeah,that's in england.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's in europe.
Yeah, vaguely european, vaguelyeuropean, just like all the
other christmas movies, yeah butwhat was it just like?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
uh like like chicago, industrial age america, which
looks a lot like eng.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, oh, my goodness .

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Okay the way.
There was one more thing I wasremembering oh, the scary movie.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
right, Like a scary movie makes horror things less
scary, scary movie series.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I was in a cabin in elementary school.
We would go up to the this,this guy who owned a restaurant.
His name was Old man Trujilloand he owned what was literally
called Mission Trujillo, likethe tortilla company.
You ever know what I mean?
Oh, wow, he had a restaurantthat was called the Mission
Trujillo and it was awesome andhe had several cabins up in like

(52:29):
Deckers, colorado, and he wouldjust let family friends have
them for a weekend or whatever,or even like a week.
There was times in the summerwhere we would go up with food
and you could drive into likethe main, like little kind of
tiny town of Decker's to getmore groceries if needed.
But some of the cabins had zeropower and other ones had like

(52:49):
power and like water and stuff.
But we're up in this cabin andthere are.
Of course, this is at the time.
You know, hey, kiddos there,there was no wifi at the time,
right, and there was for sure nodamn internet up in the
mountains, and so you just getthere and you got whatever toys
you packed, maybe like yourhomework or a book or something,

(53:10):
and then you have whatever thecabins vhs's were, oh yeah and
there was always something soeerie about being in this like,
like insomeone else's cabin and like
this guy has horror in a cabin,exactly, exactly right, because
like we're out there, there's nocell phones, there's one
landline in this one cabin andbut there's not a landline in

(53:32):
any of the other ones.
So, like you kind of know, likethere's other people who would
come around maybe looking forthat phone or need it.
Right, if they they got stuckand they got, you know they'd
come.
There was like literally peoplewho would come and be like hey,
can I use your phone Becausethey're, you know, kayak flipped
and got away from them andtheir car is like two miles up
up the road or whatever.
Um, anyways, so the feeling Iremember of like being in this

(53:58):
cabin this was the one withpower and it had a couple
multiple bedrooms in a like abasement, downstairs level, but
its bathroom was an outhouse andthe outhouse was that classic
like colorado outhouse of like acarpet cup, carpeted covered
toilet seat you know what I meanand it's like you just piss
into the abyss and like there'sjust cutouts of magazines just

(54:18):
sticking on every inch of thewall or moving itself like it,
like it's one.
It like literally like you closethe door and like lizards are
running underneath the door intothe cabin, or like beetles and
I mean into the outhouse orbeetles, but uh, it was one of
those like things.
So I'm in the basement, thiscabin, in this bedroom, where
there's, like the tv plugged inthe one tv right and I'm opening

(54:41):
the cupboard to it and I justsee all these various vhs tapes
right, and there's, of course,the like, family ones that are
like marked off and written onand like I have no idea who this
is and what these dates are.
But then there's the ones thatare just like someone bought
them, brought them up here,whatever.
And my cousin sees one andgrabs it and she was much older

(55:02):
than me and she's like oh, let'swatch this and it was the ring
oh no and bro, she, she and hersister, and then my stepsister
and my younger stepbrother.
We were all watching the Ringand while it was playing, yeah,

(55:24):
in a cabin in the woods, right,and it does that like weird.
Have you guys seen the Ring?
Yeah, have you, pat?
I don't know if I have but, areyou familiar with the concept?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I've talked about it enough with my friends when this
came out.
Yes, so there's the there's thevideo.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, in the movie that you watch and that's
basically in the opening themovie you watch the video and
this video curses you.
It's a vhs tape that curses thesound of that static.
Well, it's not just static,like there's weird sounds in the
background, it's all obscureimagery.
And then it says seven days,sorry.
You get a phone call as soon asthe video ends and when you

(55:59):
answer the phone there's just avoice on the other line that
says seven days.
And then in seven days you dieafter watching the VHS.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
She crawls through the freaking TV.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
And here's the thing I didn't know was and here's the
thing I didn't know was that myuncle or someone I genuinely
think it might've been mycousin's boyfriend at the time,
but they somehow coordinatedlike wherever he was in town to
call or whatever Cause.
The phone rang right after thatpart happened and everyone was

(56:28):
like no, no, no, you answer, no,you, someone answer, somebody
answer.
And then my cousins becausethey were older right there,
like in like middle school, highschool at the time and I was
like elementary they were likemick answer, answer the phone,
like they were like getting mad,like I was in trouble.
I was like I don't want to bein trouble and I remember
picking it up dude, I was likehello and the dude on the other

(56:49):
line was like Mick.
I was like yes, seven days ithung up bro.
Oh, no, dude and I rememberhanging that phone up and I just
remember going stalk.
No scream, no wailing, justthat's it.
I'm fucked.
I just saw what happened topeople.

(57:09):
It's over.
There's nothing I can do.
I should die, I should die, Ishould fucked.
I just saw what happened topeople.
It's over.
There's nothing I can do.
I should die, I should die.
That scarred me, of course,because I started forgetting
about it when we got back awayfrom the cabin.
But then I remembered and I wastrying to count the days.
I'm like, oh shit, it's 10-9.

(57:30):
But eventually Get the TVs outof the house.
Eventually, the scary movie thatmakes fun of the ring comes out
.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I think it's scary movie.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
two the ring and the grudge.
Yeah, the ring and the grudgeare in the same one that they
make fun of.
Yeah, because remember thegrudge was scary, because it
made me afraid to take a shower.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
The grudge has.
This scene where you know I'mtalking about pat, you don't
need me, okay, right, um, butanyways, they, they smack the
ring chick with, like a shovelback down the well and that move
.
That alone, that scene alone,gave me the courage during the
uh, uh, during the funeral.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Doesn't she come out of it, doesn't she come out the
tv because the old woman dies,or something I can't remember
it's been so long since I'veseen scary movie, one of the
funniest things about the movieswhen uh, when cindy goes, she's
, she's like watching, she'slike a caretaker of this old
woman in this house and there'sa scene where the the little

(58:24):
asian kid from the grudge islike up at the top of the
stairwell oh yeah yeah, oh yeah,it's like Yoshi, yoshi, no care
yeah you just say like randomJapanese, every job, every like
Japanese, and they're likehaving a full conversation.

(58:48):
I still get that on my Instagramfeed once in a while.
I just I just can't hold ittogether.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
That's why those movies are great as a kid
because you see them.
And it was weird, like everyhorror movie that scared me as a
kid was in the next scary movie.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Right Scary Movie 3 was signs and signs.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
that just effed me up and I was like, oh yeah, aliens
will come to Earth and alienswill be terrifying.
And then I watched Scary Movie3, and they have like shovels
that have shotguns in them andthey just like beat the snot out
of aliens.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
They like piss out of their fingers.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, I was like okay , there's nothing to be afraid
of it completely diluted, likeevery bit of fear that came from
those movies.
Classics Gosh.
That's wild classics gosh,that's wild.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Oh, we might be living in a horror movie these
days.
You think so, pat.
I think so.
You know we've had uh, there'swild things going on out there
in the world I mean, I'mdefinitely not.
I'm feeling a lot better than Iwas about under the previous
administration I feel, lesshorrified now than I did then,
yeah, there's some crazy stuffright now the uh um.
Have you seen, uh, what trumpsaid about uh?

(59:59):
Basically gonna take over gaza.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
You see, that one I don't know the legitimacy of
what he's, what he's saying,because I'll say I did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I saw a lot of people had making headlines about, and
then I saw Netanyahu speakingabout support to secure Gaza,
but not like US owning Gaza,maybe like US assisted
occupation, I'm not entirelysure.
Just BlackRock going in therebuying every.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, oh no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So what did he say?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Do you know what he actually said?
He said just a bunch of crap,you know.
And just like you know heactually said he said just a
bunch of crap, you know.
Or even just like you knowstuff trump says just, it's like
.
You're like, did anybody readthis before he came out and said
this?
You know it was.
It was one of those.
He hasn't done a lot of thoselately which, because we don't
even talk to him totally, we'vetalked about him.
It's just been like you know, Ifeel like he's made a lot of
progress on, like how he doesstuff.
And then he was like and uh,then he comes out with like

(01:00:51):
we're changing it to the gulf ofamerica, and you're like, bro,
just leave that alone, just justtake all your wins, don't like
push the buttons.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You know that one is already done, though, right, I
think google's already updatedit to a couple I'm like a couple
spots they might have it, butit was just funny like the like
just why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
like he just can't help himself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
He can't help himself .

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
It just makes people mad right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So same thing with.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
So for instance on this stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
And so with the Gaza piece,like it's kind of like, it's
just like, bro, you got to becareful what you're saying.
And then there was a couple ofconspiracy theory videos come
out today on, like you know, asfar as in times go, the old this
region of the world is involved.

(01:01:37):
Oh yeah, right, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Did Trump say he was going to rebuild the temple?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
You say about the red heifer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
He didn't say anything about that.
But there is the red heiferpiece.
There is, there has been.
There's a millionaire in Texaswho has been breeding red
heifers to have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
That was like the original reason for the terror
attack Hezbollah.
That was the whole rumor, right?
The original Hezbollah attackwas caused because that guy had
delivered the red heifer toIsrael.
Have you not heard that?
They were I don't know if itwas a conspiracy theory.
For sure I haven't know.
It's a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I haven't seen it validated but they were like
lining up where they were tryingto get red haffers to israel.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Yeah, right they had indeed shipped a couple of them,
but the, the, the, that october7th attack would have no effect
on, like, jerusalem and upthere, but, but, the but, pieces
of like, talking about likebasically anytime.
I think I remember as a kid,like obama's first term, people
being like he might be theantichrist, and then like, and

(01:02:38):
then like whoever's the next guyhe might be the antichrist.
But then with like, forinstance, with the trump, stuff
right now is some conspiracypeople, you know, throwing out
the old antichrist verbiage onstuff.
And then you're like no, that'snot true.
And then it's also like wait,no, bro, don't.
Like, don't mess with israel'sborders.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Like, yeah, you know, just kind of like, hey, man,
like that's, it's kind of bigconsequences, you know it's it's
hard to say, because there'sthere's oftentimes, when he says
something kind of like he getsdefinitely hyper fixated on
things where you won't hearsomething.
And then you hear him talkabout it and then he like it's

(01:03:15):
just like, he just like goes upthis ramp where he he's always
thinking about it and then he'snot gonna stop until something
happens.
And I think the the thing withcalifornia and and the la fires
and um, essentially the thewater flow going into central
california the fact that allright.
He can't.
He cannot stop thinking aboutit like it's it just, it's just

(01:03:37):
gonna have to happen um, I think, I think it's one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
The california thing is this we talked about that
actually a couple weeks ago withty um, but that one's crazy to
me because I thought trump wenttoo easy on him when he went to
the panel and sat down and Iknow he kind of called out the
mayor and kind of called a spade.
A spade of like hey, look likeyou cannot cover this up and to

(01:04:02):
the credit of a couple peoplethere, a couple people owned it
and like we're taking action now.
He's like good, should havetaken action before.
And they're like we know.
It's like well, just becauseyou say you know, doesn't excuse
you of the responsibility,right, but it was one of those
things where, like I felt likehe should have been harsher and
I think I think there shouldhave been like true, legitimate,
like criminal investigationsinto just negligence and

(01:04:24):
negligence embezzlement, bribery, right literally can like not
conspiracy of sedition, butconspiracy to legitimately
defraud the state of Californiaand the civilians of California
from their own water rights.
Yeah, and so that's the thingthat gets me pretty pissed,

(01:04:45):
because you look into it, man,and there's a reason those
hydrants were empty and it'sbecause California sold that
water to private firms.
Well, one private person, quoteunquote.
There's a reason those hydrantswere empty and it's because
california sold that water toprivate firms, essentially well,
one private person, quoteunquote but it's essentially
like wrapped up in firms thathave the water rights to it, and
that's insane.
And they could have releasedthe water too, like they could
have, like, helped support thefires, and they did it because

(01:05:07):
of how much money it would havequote unquote cost them, and I
would think 10 times out of 10,whatever the insurance companies
are doing are a really goodpredictor of what's going to
happen.
Yeah, no, kidding right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
That's like the pinnacle of where the money is
going.
If the insurance companies aredoing something, they know
what's up Like they're not like,they're like, very like, very
particular about what they'respending on.
So if you see that they're like, very like, very particular
about what they're spending on,so if you see that they're
pulling out of something, yougot days, you got like days,
until something happens.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I said a conspiracy theory that I'm waiting to come
true.
I said a couple of weeks agoPat was here.
Pat seemed to look like askeptic.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I couldn't tell if you were really skeptic, remind
me of this one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So a lot of these millionaire, billionaire
properties aren't ever insuredby private insurance companies
because the cost to insure themand even a moderate risky area
is just too high.
Because if anything everhappened, um, let's say, even

(01:06:13):
someone commits insurance fraudin the in the insurance company
can't prove it.
They are out hundreds ofmillions of dollars sometimes.
I'm actually not aware of aproperty that is like uh, is not
commercial, that costs over 500, 600 million dollars in the us.

(01:06:33):
You think this is a rezoningconspiracy?
Yes, because if you look, um,paul rand has done actually this
presentation several times.
You can watch several differentvideos about it where he's gone
and spoken at uh events, buthe's also spoken to congress
about it where the federalgovernment has insurance and you
can essentially pay the federalgovernment to insure your house

(01:06:57):
and your property as long asit's in a.
I can't remember the exacttechnicality around the
classification of the property,but most of these millionaire
and billionaire's homes are notinsured by GEICO, they're not
insured by Allstate, they're notinsured by Allstate, they're
insured by the federalgovernment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
And think about this, think about the collapse of the
California housing market.
Lately, california's propertyvalues have been cratering
compared to other locations.
Because of the exodus out ofCalifornia it's harder to have a
job and maintain it, and thecrime on the rise in California
has destroyed a lot of propertyvalue in tons of neighborhoods.
And so with that, I genuinelythink there could have been not

(01:07:42):
I'm not saying everyone in aneighborhood right who, once the
fire started, they greasedpalms to prevent the fires being
, uh, essentially stopped asquickly, right of like, actually
we should let it burn.
Let's just let it go down,because if it burns and we get

(01:08:04):
our payouts from the fed andthen we can take that money and
we can buy new propertyelsewhere, not in california
that's going to be a betterinvestment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Do you know the slight upside to some of that
land being rezoned?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Like hopefully goes back to wait.
Wait, what do you mean?
Slight upside?
Well, like slight upside of thefire or slight upside of them,
rezoning for the federalgovernment to ensure it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
No, no, for for so say like, so say like so say
post, post-fire, post-fire.
A lot of those properties getrezoned.
As for commercial use, yeah.
One of the biggest issues in LAand most major cities in
California is, time and timeagain, people have shot down

(01:08:52):
like proposals for likeapartment buildings or any other
commercial use because thatultimately will decrease the
value of their own homes andneighborhoods.
So this is kind of like theloop of hypocrisy, right, like
the people that they'll vote for.
People to quote unquote carefor the needy and the poor but
as long as it's not in their ownvicinity.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
We vote for people.
We're going to create programsthat take tax dollars and fund
like programs to take care ofthe needy and the poor and keep
them off the streets and helpthem, but also not in our
neighborhood.
We don't want them in ourneighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
And I don't want my house losing any value
whatsoever.
So you go in like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Not in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Right, so you go in like not in my backyard right
like places like san diego wherelike properties are
skyrocketing because there'sthere's no cheaper like housing
or apartments or like any rentalopportunities being produced in
those areas, so like we couldvery much so see the prices in
california become much, muchmore reasonable in a way that
they've never had been before,because these, like entire

(01:09:51):
neighborhoods, just get rezonedas commercial use.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Bro, I genuinely think, though the LA fires could
have just like catalyzed LAinto becoming the next Detroit,
like I would not be surprised inlike 10, 20 years from now.
La has become essentially likeprimarily a like primarily a
like blue collar labor class, uh, and like um industrial zoning

(01:10:20):
area for manufacturing orwhatever, because it's right
there on the coast near theharbor and it is far cheaper to
kind of have that manufacturingthere than it was ever, like
inland in, you know, detroit andlike the other great lake areas
, and you just kind of have thatmanufacturing there than it was
ever, like inland in, you know,detroit and like the other
great lake areas, and you justkind of have that rebuild
structure of a collapsed economyand lost value because so many

(01:10:42):
of those companies like thinkabout the businesses that just
got pays payouts for being likeinsured properties, right, and
now they don't need to worryabout liquidating their stuff,
like they're like actual stockedshelves, right, they don't need
to worry about anything, theyjust back building burnt down
offices burnt down.
Those employees get a severancepackage because they can't go to

(01:11:04):
work.
And we're not gonna, of coursewe're not moving our like hourly
wage workers, right, uh, so nowwe can just take our money from
that and we can invest inaustin, we can invest in houston
, we can invest in denver right,yeah, we can invest in billings
, in you know, idaho city,whatever, and it's one of those
things where I'm just like thereis no going back, because what

(01:11:25):
does la produce?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
uh, a lot of douchebags born, so even and
even so, yeah, so entertainmentright like right I don't know,
they're not known.
I maybe I'm wrong, but I don'tknow of anything else, that's
coming out of there right where,if you look at, like the past
10 years of uh streaming and orlike independent stuff and like,

(01:11:51):
uh, everything's not coming outof hollywood entertainment wise
, or even like music see thelatest music production.
All these things right, and soyou have, because you can have
two guys in the middle ofnowhere with.
If you have an internetconnection, you can do whatever
you want, right and so like?
did you see the woody harrelsonand uh matthew mcconaughey

(01:12:15):
commercial in the vein of truedetective about moving all
filming for like big productionsto texas and they've already
started in vegas and that's, andlike that's what I'm saying,
like you can go everywhere andlike, yeah, it's easy to hop on
a plane, get anywhere you wantto go.
You don't need huge set stages.
It's all fake, it's all greenscreened, or you go to a site,

(01:12:37):
so you're going to.
Either you don't need to be inLA.
If you need to go to a specificsite, you're going to fly
everybody out there.
Or you're going to do it all ona green screen stuff, whatever,
or just like.
Production is just so differentnow.
Music production too, sodifferent now, where you don't
need to be in the mix in themiddle of an immediate proximity

(01:12:59):
, literally standing next tosomebody, you can pick up your
phone, dm them on Instagram,collab, whatever.
So that compounding whereeverything's been heading,
compounding with things likethis fires, like it could be
pretty interesting for LA as faras like what is it?
And like now, now the rest ofCalifornia, mostly an ag state.

(01:13:23):
You know things that aren'ttalked about a lot.
It's like you know the grandmajority of what that state
actually does is is ag and otherstuff and that's you know all
off the coast, but let's butstuff and that's you know all
off the coast, but let's butsite specific stuff you know
along the coast, like this spotit could yeah, why live there?
What's the?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
I mean, isn't it like though?
Don't you think that's like thebest?
A lot of people don't remember,but this also happened with the
chicago fires and the sanfrancisco fires a lot of people
don't remember that peoplestarted lighting their like
their businesses on fire whenthe fire broke out, because if
they did that they knew thatessentially like they could get

(01:14:02):
their insurance collected onthose buildings and then they
could leave Chicago or theycould leave San San Francisco
and like open shop elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I think we saw a lot of people.
Just there was a lot, a lot offires just getting started out
of absolutely nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Ab you need to be careful saying that, man.
There's a lot of people who arevery almost militant against
that argument.
It's, it's crazy.
I I have actually seen peoplein cal in California being hit
and smacked because they wereinferring that this was
man-started, man-caused.

(01:14:38):
There were people startingfires and people were like no,
this was climate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
No, this was man-caused through climate
change.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
And it was like, bro, there's videos of people
tackling guys with blow torches,trying to start more fires,
like what do you need, and evenif on its initial onset it was
natural, sure um people tookadvantage, and it's never let a
crisis go away.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
It'd be the same thing as being like no, people
didn't during that like civilunrest.
People didn't just breakwindows and take Jordans out of
the shoe store.
They didn't.
People didn't take.
You know, pull TVs out.
Like, what are you talkingabout?
Like, no, yes, like, and allthe way up from where you have
like, like you're talking abouton a high scale.

(01:15:25):
Okay, I have a $10 millionhouse.
This is the most it's evergoing to be worth, because
things are going to hell.
House, this is the most it'sever going to be worth because
things are going to hell.
Let's burn it down and get outof here all the way down to like
just pure, like, anarchy.
Like I've got five dollars inthe bank account, I don't care
about anything.
Sure, I'm gonna keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I think you have like the whole spectrum potentially
what's crazy to me is when yousee homes in in california like
some of these, just like some ofthese homes that are worth like
upward of 50 million dollars,that they just cannot, like
people cannot sell um, and howlong they sit on the market for,
and how much of a of how muchof a hit that they take like

(01:16:06):
what a what a perfectopportunity.
You know, like my house isvalued50 million, I can't sell
it for the life of me.
People are not going to comeand buy it.
Let's just put it up in flames.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
No, yeah, I 100% agree, man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
I'm not saying that did happen, but I am saying that
it would be a very convenientopportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I think it happened.
I think it for sure happened,without a doubt.
I mean, it's happened so manytimes before in these other
great fires that occurred andareas where property and
everything's overvalued, thatI'm sure that is exactly what
happened.
But okay, dean, I don't thinkyou've heard of this right, or
what's going on.
Maybe you have, and I wastelling Pat a little bit about

(01:16:45):
it earlier today.
This is really, honestly, thescariest thing I see happening
right now in our country, which,again, again, I will say this I
personally feel awesome, like Ifeel like I've never been more
safe and like I've never, I'venever, felt more like I have a

(01:17:06):
group of people that have myback than I do right now and
like, also like just in the eyesof society or eyes of the
cultural norm, I think I think alot of people during the last
Biden administration who I'm noteven saying are right-leaning
or far-right or whatever, butthat just weren't on board with

(01:17:27):
the agenda of a lot oforganizations and things and a
lot of the direction we weregoing in I think a lot of those
people felt like gosh.
I wonder if anyone else feelsthe way I feel, because this is
lunacy, this is insanity.
But if I speak out, I'm afraidof being ostracized or even
losing my job or something likethat.
And now, all of a sudden, likeeveryone's talking about it,

(01:17:49):
everyone, it's totally okay tonot agree anymore.
It's not okay to hate, it's notokay to be like a bigot, right,
but it's also okay to be likenope, this is insanity and I
don't support it and that's okay.
I don't need to support it.
You can support it.
I don't, um, and I think that'swhy I feel so good, like, feel
like safe and stuff like that.

(01:18:10):
You know what I mean like Idon't feel like we're in danger,
I'm not worried, I don't havean anxiety.
Also, there's a lot of peoplefreaking out about what's going
on in the government.
I don't know anybody in thegovernment who's freaking out
about it.
Okay, like that's, like, that'sa, that's a big thing.
Um, I would say that I do.
That works for, like the Fedthat's freaking out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Yeah, really, please go into detail In full
discretion.
I have heard of, like, somethings basically down the
pipeline.
This was actually a really goodperspective for me because,
from my eyes, like you see, likethe state of our government,
you, the state of the country,you see the debt that is looming

(01:18:53):
over our heads and the onlyoption for survival is to just
start cutting things down.
Right, like you really wonder,like when we were not saying
this guy was a good president,but like under bill clinton,
it's crazy that we were in asurplus, and that was not that
long ago.

(01:19:14):
Right, like, how could thingshave gotten to the point that
they are now?
How could our spending havegotten so out of control?
Yeah, like, this is whathappens when things get
neglected for so long.
You have to cut back at somepoint or you're just gonna like
like it's just going to implode.
Yeah, um, now, the downside ofpeople being so negligent for so

(01:19:36):
long is that ultimately, at theend of the day, like people
that probably don't deserve itwill start to lose their jobs as
a result.
Like, and these are juststandard people, they're just
trying to take care of theirfamily and take care of their
kids.
Um, they're just trying to takecare of their family and take
care of their kids.
Um, most these people probablydon't really know like the

(01:19:56):
overall bureaucracy of like theagency or like where it is that
they're working.
That's the majority of thesepeople.
They're just people trying todo their jobs, but there are
like a good grouping of thismanagerial class across the
board of people that are justabsolute dog shit to the country
and in their own agencies,right, and the people below that

(01:20:18):
are just trying to do theirjobs like they have, we'll see.
They have to suffer theconsequences of those people.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Ultimately at least that kind of sucks.
Yeah, yeah, um, I do feel forlike the individual in that case
.
You know, like, like, and and.
Well, the other part of mewould be like also for most of
those individuals be like yeah,bro, but I think you were like.
Your facebook post in 2020 waslike super pro socialism.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
So like, take one for the team you know, like, you
know, like, you know what I mean, like like, like, put your
money where your mouth is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
It's funny.
So I feel for the day-to-dayworker, the grunt guy who's just
sitting there going how am Igoing to provide for my family
if I lose this job?
I do understand that, like thefear and the and I do think,

(01:21:11):
like almost always, that's whogets hurt when huge, like who's
this?

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
who's this, though?
Because I I right, and I saythis is from the perspective of
like, I have an insideperspective on who these people
are, I guess, right, not likeactual individual names, right,
but like what I see them do fromday to day.
And I'm like, when you guys saythe guy who's working is a job,
the lady working her job to putfood on the table, who is that?

(01:21:38):
Because, I'll be honest, I seea lot of people who work and
will do and like they do theirjob and they have not lost their
jobs yet.
Their job and they have notlost their jobs yet.
I am seeing a lot of federalpeople who have not worked, not
been in office, not beenavailable, not answered their
phone, right, and they arelosing their jobs, sure, and

(01:22:00):
that's you know like, so that'swhy I'm like that's why I'm like
I, I'm just not entirely sure Iunderstand who you guys are
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
That's not a bad thing, but from the person I'm
not saying you guys are sayingit's a bad thing.
A family at which you used tolive with is now on the end of.
People around them are losingtheir jobs in a snap of the
fingers just because of howrecently they got hired, and
it's making their jobs two,three times more difficult
because the structures at whichthey put in place are ultimately

(01:22:28):
collapsing due to thenegligence of spending.
That it's not their problem,not something that's within
their, their realm, and they'rekind of suffering the
consequences okay, you gottagive me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
You gotta give me more concrete things, dean, you
gotta give me like you used tolive with them I don't know them
.
I don't know any of the peoplewho lived in their home.
I lived in their home or did weshare the?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
home.
No, you lived in their home.
I lived in their home for ashort period of time for a short
period of time.
Oh, yes, yes, I understand whatyou're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yes, Okay, I think I figured it out.
So are you saying they'relosing their job?
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
So are you saying they're losing their job?
No, no, no.
But they oversee a great dealof people that are going to be
losing their jobs due to justnothing of how they have been
doing their jobs, but likelywhere they live and the time at
which they got hired.
No that's like bottom of thepipeline.
Sure, I would say that is anecessary problem.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Like that is a necessary thing that needs to
happen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
It is just unfortunate for those people
well, it is unfortunate system'sbeen messed up that way right
and to your point.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
I think we're getting that for those listening like
we're not wanting bread to notbe on people's tables.
No, but what we're about totalk about is like the system's
got to be redone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
I'll say this I was probably one of a dozen people
who worked at that location andwas present at that location for
about nine months at any eighthour shift period, and that's, I
think, what is probablycatching up and biting that

(01:24:14):
organization in the butt.
That organization, it is afederal government organization.
During COVID, a lot of peoplewere not required to come to the
office.
They kept their jobs.
Post-covid, a lot of peoplestill didn't have to come back
in and they continue to get paidthe same thing.
They got paid and there's notanything, when it comes to
investigation, to justify theirseat at an empty desk,

(01:24:38):
especially when a federalauditor is walking through and
trying to see like hey, uh, I'vejust gone through the last five
floors and there's about threepeople in each of these 100
cubicles on these floors.
Also, where are the people whoare supposed to be in these uh,
you know more hands-onenvironments?

(01:24:58):
Uh, actually doing the hardlike labor work, because I see
the same person every day when Iwalk in here and there's no one
else other doing the hands-onwork other than them.
Yeah, shouldn't they have ateam and like?
And what I'm saying is like,that's not a reason.
I've to like.
Not, that's not a reason to nothave empathy for people in a

(01:25:19):
situation or something like that, but that is a true like
experience thing of like when itcomes like you have to do a
cost evaluation, it's like, okay, what is the value in these
people here who aren't here?

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah, and so something I'll say is a
legitimate statistic here.
Can you guess what percent offederal employees work remotely?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
This is cheating.
I know it because of my job.
Go ahead.
Well, I know.
For the DOD it essentiallycomes out to like 45% Way higher
.
For the oh no, I'm saying just.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
DOD For all agencies.
Federal government it's 90%.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
No, yes, no, dude.
I know like I know at least 60%of the people.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Post COVID, it is 90% .

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
I'd agree with that from from my job just going
regardless of federal orcorporate like, because I I do a
job where I go in people'shouses every day.
They're all, they're 90 ofeverybody's working from home.
Yeah, but no, I'm talking aboutlike dod.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
The reason I think it's only 45 is because ofiffs
and like you have to be on siteand clearance.
It doesn't include all military.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
That's what I'm saying too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Like that's what I'm saying, Like I think only 45% of
the DOD is remote.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Those people are required to go into a base once
a month.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Right.
So that's technically not evenhome employment.
They're going in once a month.
Yeah, once a month All thosereservists.
They have to live near a base.
So that number makes sense.
But overall that makes theupper number of the rest of
federal government employees wayworse Because if you have the
DOD, which is probably thesecond highest funded asset of

(01:27:07):
the federal government,definitely the number one
employer Sure sure.
At 45%.
That's pretty atrocious.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
For the rest of right because now what you're saying
is there's, there's, you're.
You're saying you're movingaway from the talking about the,
the plight of the small man.
Now you're moving into talkingabout yeah just how many, but
you're now you're talking abouthow many people are, just maybe
are or not doing their job fromhome right and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I'm here like, as somebody say, that the working
from home days are, if they'renot over, they're on the course
of being over, like there was alot of they're on the course for
being over.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
For specific areas, I will say this like the
consultant realm is foreverchanged and here's the big
reason is that the federalgovernment want, like they can
try to mandate that.
How many, I'll guess.
I think I've said this to patbefore how many consultants do

(01:28:09):
you think are paid by thefederal government for each
federal government employee?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
This is a broad thing .

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I'd be like 10.
I'm saying this is specificallybased off of the DOD, but you
say 10?

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
I'm going 10 to 1.
I mean this also includes allthe companies out there that
make product for the DoD right.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Specifically hired consultant.
They get paid by the Departmentof Defense, pays them as a
contractor consultant or paysthe company as a contracting
company that offers consultants,I don't even want to know.
20 to 1.
All right, for every singleemployee of the DoD, including
your armed service men and women, there's on average 20

(01:28:52):
consultants employed by the Fedto support that work and mission
.
The federal government doesn'thave enough offices on site to
bring back most of the federalemployees site to bring back
most of the federal employees,which is why the cia has just

(01:29:13):
offered, because the cia the ciais man being

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
mandated as well to have everyone on site.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
They just offered all their employees an eight-month
buyout because they need as manyof them as possible to take the
severance and leave becausethey don't have enough space on
site to like, house them andhave them work, which is a lot
better than the rest of theemployees in the federal
government that just got offeredto buy out as well well, no, a
lot of them got off for theeight months.

(01:29:36):
They're just skeptical ifthey'll get the eight months
right and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
it's so hard for me on this and I'm like do we need
that many people?

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I don't know, probably Probably not, I would
say the federal deficit wouldsay no Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I will say I this is also.
No one knows who I am, no oneknows what I do, no one knows
the company I work for.
But I will tell you this I haveyet to see a federal employee
match the level of capability ofthe competitive market to hire
a consultant.
Now, I'm not saying allconsultant agencies are the same

(01:30:12):
, but I have never seen afederal employee outperform a
consultant who knows I'm oncontract and if I continue to
perform, the likelihood I winthis contract again and actually
even get more seniority andmore money.
Yeah goes up well right, and afederal employee is like I don't
have to do dick, I get to workforever and have good health
care and I don't have to doanything.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
That's what I was about to say for me.
The hard thing for me is going.
Okay, I personally think thatlet's take feds out, let's go
corporate america, remoteworkers.
I think you could get rid of 60to 80% of that.
Oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
And those are the ones I'm not disagreeing Right
right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
So I'm going just there, like from a productive
like I got a lot of the amountof time I spend in people's
homes and I see how hard theywork, how much they do, and the
amount of people I know who workfrom home and I see how hard
they work, how much they do, andthe amount of people I know who
work from home not putting in40 hours, not working that hard,
making full paychecks.
So now everybody's got to eat,everybody's got to live.

(01:31:16):
I'm like, even in corporateAmerica, I think work-from-home
people, most of your jobs don'tmatter Sorry, that's the song
I'm going to say and they couldcut 80% of you and then take
that to a federal governmentstandard, to what you just said,
which was the fact that thosepeople I think that 90% of the

(01:31:40):
people who should be fired fromcorporate America still can work
10 times harder than whatfederal government employees
output.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
That means, yeah, I'm sorry, we can get rid of 90 of
all of you, and this is justperspective here, right like and
this does come off harsh, but Ido- agree with what you're
saying because I will say this Iour, our mutual friend I know,
is a hard worker and has workedvery hard right and has been
probably one of the hardestworking people I know from a

(01:32:07):
government position and I'mblaking statementing these
things.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Yeah, me too.
That's because every team hasone person who's putting it all
in, and then there's 10 who arejust phoning it in, and that's
what I'm saying, like in knowingthat individual as well and
their work ethic, uh-huh, Istill agree with you, pat right
like from my experience workingwith a bunch of others as is
mine, like a lot of the times.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
When I see, when I see people have the desire to
work from home, my first thoughtis I see how little you work in
the office.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
If I saw how little you worked at home, I'd blow a
lid and then, on the flip sideof the conversation, I would
have the same thing to say.
Should we be working 40 hours aweek?
No, like, like the like.
You should have other things inyour life going on.
Like, if you could, if youcould, if you can, like I don't
like to do hourly stuff anywaysLike if you can produce the
product that's required of youin 10 minutes, then great.

(01:32:58):
I'm as as a as a company owner,if I could hire anybody who can
do just the same amount of workin a quarter of the amount of
time, I don't care.
I think that's great.
Now you just won back 20 hoursa week, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Well, and that's that's honestly like.
I will be very transparent withyou guys.
I don't work 40 hour weeks.
I'm available 40, 50.
I've pulled 60 hour weeks at mycurrent job.
When the poll is there, I don'tget paid overtime, I get paid
paid my salary.
But I promise you I've been.
I've had those 2 am, 3 am, 4 amnights of coding to deliver and

(01:33:34):
provide the mission right andlike and meet the mission's
needs.
That said, the federalgovernment can be so
disorganized sometimes that itcan be weeks where I have to
make my work.
I have to kick over a bucket ofnails, count each nail and
inspect to make sure they're allthe same length, put them all

(01:33:55):
back in the proper stack sothey're easy to retrieve out of
the bucket, and then I've got tokick over another bucket.
That's literally what I have todo to occupy that time.
It's one of those things oflike you would probably come to
my home, right, and you probablysee and be like man, what's
this guy do for a living?
Wow, he's not working reallyhard.

(01:34:16):
But there's other times whenthe government is got its ducks
in a row, or you know they don't, and it's crunch time and they
need us to pick up the slack andyou would come in and you'd
like be like, wow, this guy islike he's clearly on a bender
and like he's just he's at likehour 30.
You know what I mean?
Um, all that said, I truly dobelieve that the the value from

(01:34:39):
a commercial competitive marketlike you have in a free economy
with, like, the consultants,versus the the federal
government, right, where youhave less bureaucracy in a
capitalistic competitiveenvironment, in eco-capitalism,
right, there's no, um, there'salmost no bureaucracy, just pure
competition, totally and Ithink in that environment you

(01:35:02):
would see that consulting orconsultants are the people who
support the fed, do a lot morework.
But when the fed is incapable ofproviding the work, then you
just have a bunch of consultantswho are essentially like they
are.
They got the keys to thekingdom and they are being

(01:35:24):
retained and paid because weknow we're going to need them to
open that door and if we losethem, no one opens that door and
then also that's why yourcompany charges, how much they
charge the government.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Yeah Right, meaning like you're.
You're, that's the hard thingabout contractors too.
Where you go, okay, if I was abusiness owner, I'd say, and I'm
, my main contract is thefederal government.
I'd say, okay, um, we're goingto charge a hundred dollars an
hour instead of $10 an hour,because I know that we're going
to sit doing nothing for a longtime.
I got to pay my people, yeahRight, and so it's just like,

(01:35:59):
and that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
That's the beauty and the curse of of capitalism.
At the end of the day, is thatyou have, for the most part, um
like, nothing is guaranteed.
But when it is guaranteed, youget no bid contracts where the
government is blowing cash forno good reason which I say I'm a

(01:36:20):
huge on the anti no bidcontract right, we just even, we
just, we won a contract and wehad to rewind it.
Against competitive bids, yeah,but even when there is a,
sometimes a no-bid contract isessentially like there's just
nobody out there that can do thelevel that somebody else is
doing.
So you get charged a soapdispenser for two thousand

(01:36:44):
dollars by yeah, lockheed martin.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah, like it's a bag of bullsthat cost 40 grand, right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
yeah, right, and in perspective, like what it.
What blows my mind is that thisweek you can have an agency
like usaid get shut down with abudget of 50 billion dollars a
year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I was going to bring this up.
I have it pulled up on mycomputer, which is a.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Fortune 500 company in this country and it can get
shut down in the snap of afingers in the US economy and us
as a whole can just continue tolive our lives as if nothing
happened.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yeah, like if Starbucks shut down tomorrow,
there'd be a lot of people,regardless of the caffeine
withdrawals, right, you'd havelike so many people out of work,
out of you like I think thelike which, the, but I wonder
what?
I wonder how much start whatstarbucks is?
They're probably not on thatlevel.
They probably are like I thinkthat's bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
That's probably the thing is is you have consumers
like comparable.
The thing is, you haveconsumers.
Right you have employees andthen you have consumers.
So when all of those consumersare affected, you feel the
ripple effect, because tomorrowyou're going to go get your
coffee from somewhere else thatyou don't know and that company

(01:38:05):
doesn't have the employees orthe ability to handle what just
got shut down yesterday becausethey just acquired all that
business Right.
This is something that there isno consumer because every
consumer is not in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
No, exactly what you just said is like I think the
the biggest issue with that youknow a lot of people have with
taxes, right, it's like we livein a capitalistic society.
Let me vote with my wallet, letme consume what I think the
best product is at a fair cost,right?
Sure, or at least the one thatI can justify the cost for.
Like, if you're the only guyoffering green beanies and I

(01:38:41):
really want a green beanie, Ineed to accept I'm paying what
you want until someone elsecomes along, or if you've
convinced me that's the bestgreen beanie, I'll pay 5x, but
the issue with USAID is thatthere is no consumer.
It's just a like have the taxdollars use them for something,

(01:39:01):
but there is no product that isconsumed at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
And there's nobody.
There's no consumer, there'salso no customer end, and
there's nobody, there's.
There's also.
There's no consumer.
There's also no customer.
Meaning there's nobody.
Nobody's buying anything, it'spromised money it's like it's
like all these federal agencies,but popular was like these are
all like mismanaged um 501c3non-profits on crack which,
which are at their core justState Department back channels

(01:39:31):
in other countries.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
For them to be funded to carry out All the stuff
USAID was funding Politico, soUSAID here are some of the top
ones, usaid, and now I'm notgoing to assign words to if this
was wasteful or abuseful, I'lllet you guys decide.
One of their highest expensesthat they were funding was $1.5

(01:39:54):
million a year to advancediversity, equity and inclusion
in Serbia's workplaces andbusiness communities.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
If anybody can point out where Serbia is on a map,
I'll give them $100.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
They also were paying .
Uh, they had funded black dudesare in serbia they had funded
47 000 for a transgender operain columbia and a 32 000 funding
for the development of atransgender comic book in peru.
Now, I will be honest, to methat sounds regardless of, even

(01:40:29):
if it was something I agreedwith.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
It's not food on some starving Orphan's plate.
I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Honestly, that's just Like if you could take it what
it is call a spade a spade.
This is propaganda, dude.
This is propaganda in a country.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Giving that money to anybody in the US, I would say
okay.
You know what, to some degreethat money Is being put back
into the economy in some way,but it's not at all.
And when you have $8 million ayear getting pushed into
Politico to continuously supportyour agenda?

(01:41:04):
Politico didn't meet theirpayroll.
Whoa, and if you, if you didn'tknow that that means that
without the funding, they didnot meet their payroll.
That's crazy, it's asinine andand aid.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Aid is for food and medicine and shingles over your
head that's to the district.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
it's not actually aid , I know, but what I'm saying is
it's Agency for InternationalDevelopment.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
What they tricked us twice.
It's not even Agency forInternational International
Development.
Is that what the word AIDSalways meant?

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah, the AIDS epidemic was the Agency for
international developmentepidemic agency.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
That was.
Whoever came up with that,though?
Hire that guy for yourmarketing team pull him out of
whatever hole he's in and saylisten, sell these widgets for
me, because you are a damnmaster aid agency for
international development.
Yeah, yes, like roads andbridges and donkey carts and

(01:42:11):
freaking corn and gosh dang man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
That's so frustrating and and this is what do you
think they were giving twomillion dollars to guatemala for
?

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
do you think it was?

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
for like better infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
No it was for sex changes.
I was, I know I was about tosay gender affirming care,
because um which?
What a stupid word.
It's a sex change.
It's called a sex change for atranny, if you're wondering you
can't say tranny bed I know Iwas getting trouble for saying
that it's closer than like theold words, I don't know.

(01:42:47):
But anyways, the gosh darn man,I mean, what are we going to do
?
So this is where we start offthis conversation, saying hey,
bro, if you're at home and youwork for federal government and
you're about to lose your job, Ifeel sorry for you personally,
that you are feeling anxious andwondering about what's going on

(01:43:08):
.
Also, now we've moved theconversation to what the fuck's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Obviously, we have to cut everybody's job and rebuild
this thing, because it has goneoff the walls and at the core
of it like if you, if you wereemployed by the mob and all of
the head leaders the mob gotjust busted in a Rico case and
you were no longer employed bythe mob and all of the head
leaders the mob got just bustedin a rico case and you were no
longer employed by somebodywould you look at that and say

(01:43:35):
you know what?
I knew that there was apossibility.
At the end of the day, justbecause it's the government
doesn't mean that what they'redoing is legal and what they're
doing is is righteous, rightlike they're.
They're ultimately taking moneyforcefully from the american
people, yeah, and giving them towhoever and for whatever they

(01:43:58):
see fit.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
You are working for the mob and with with some, with
some honest introspection onthat level too, all the way down
to yourself being like I knowwhat's going on.
It was kind of nice while itlasted, sure you know what I
mean like, hey, all right, buddy, that's fine, learn how to
frame.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Get out there and frame those two by fours
together you could have beenrunning a bookstore that had a,
an office in the back that waslike a meeting place for some
gangsters.
You know, just doing an honestliving exactly it's like.
It doesn't mean you weren'tdoing your job.
It doesn't mean that youweren't making an honest living.
It just means that the peopleabove you weren't and yeah, it's

(01:44:35):
a, it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
That's a good point, even if you're and because from
a standpoint like I've honor andit's a big like thing for me
too it's just like that's agreat analogy to say, like you
busted your ass at yourbookstore selling those books,
but what was keeping yourbusiness afloat was what was
going on in the back doors.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
You know that you turned a blind eye to yeah, I
will say this for anyone whoknows the ins and outs of the
federal government bureaucracy,who just kind of lost their job
there's going to be a lot ofprobably consulting roles open.
Pivot yourself, pivot yourselfand start thinking about how you

(01:45:16):
can then come in to consult,how to support the vacuum.
If there's anything natureabhors, it's a vacuum.
That money's going somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
The question is what agency is next?
Uh, I think it's doe bro.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
It just got proposed the department of education to
be.
It's about.
It's about disbanded I was.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I was talking with this today what to just straight
up just straight up get rid ofit, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, what does?

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
that mean for, like my kids, kindergarten school I
don't.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
I'm gonna put this in perspective for you.
I was talking about this with aco-worker today.
If we're talking about in therealm of public education okay,
take the best public schools inamerica.
Okay, take the worst publicschools in america there is a
huge, huge gap in between them.
How far from rock bottom arethe worst public schools in

(01:46:09):
america?
From rock bottom, that isapproximately how much the
department of education is doing.
Yeah, which tells me thatstates and counties are largely
doing the work for educationright and if they're doing a bad
job they can do a lot more,yeah, so on a federal level, we

(01:46:29):
don't need them.
So how is it that we spend $75billion a year on the Department
of Education with like there'ssomething close to like 50,000
employees?

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Right, and what you're saying is we, locally,
you pay your taxes and that goesto your schools.
That funds your schools.
Feder federally what's it doingfor us?

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
yeah, now, now some of the largest issues are around
zoning of schools and um limitsof where your money goes to.
For example, go into chicagonow your wealthiest
neighborhoods have rezoned theireducation so that only their
money, within those wealthyneighborhoods, are funneling

(01:47:11):
into the local, like publiceducation, whereas like five
blocks down the road, you've gotthe projects with another
school getting funded by afraction of of what you're
funding your school for.
Yeah, but all but all of thathas been legal under your, your
state and cities um policies,whereas that's not happening in

(01:47:34):
the state next to you.
So it's like is the departmenteducation really doing anything?

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
I.
That's the question, right, andI think that's what like.
This is also like I'm sure wegot to wrap up too.
But this is also like I'm surewe got to wrap up too.
But the response to this hasbeen very militant and Reddit

(01:48:09):
essentially just is facingsanctions for essentially
treason.
People are openly on Redditcalling for the execution of
people who are part of theDepartment of Government
Efficiency.
They are doxing and releasingtheir addresses so they can be
found and killed.
They're straight up justtalking about let's go kill them
on Reddit.
Now that those Reddit usershave been like coalesced, reddit

(01:48:29):
is working now in submittingeverything they have on these
people and what they've said tothe fbi so the fbi can conduct
to see if there's really likeactual terror plots from these
individuals to take actionbecause they're, they're,
they're I mean, even if youaren't serious about taking
action but you release theaddress of this person and who

(01:48:51):
their name is, like what theirname is and stuff You're
conspiring.
You're conspiring and someonewho is unstable enough to go and
harm those people.
You're providing them the meansto do so and you need to watch
out because the FBI is trying tokeep their jobs too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Yeah, the FBI is like we got to justify ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
They're working harder than they ever have, true
that, oh man, pretty crazystuff.
Um, anyways, all I said I wantto encourage people to try and
observe what's going on, andobserve it Not from a knee jerk

(01:49:28):
reaction, but to just like wedid with anything else.
That's kind of occurred overthe last like four years in the
previous administration is likethere was a lot of things going
on that people were upset about,but how often did we see
violence be a means to like ahealthy result?
Never.
It was like.
You never saw in the last fouryears the right having a

(01:49:50):
successful, like a response toanything they disagreed with
through violence.
Right, and that was never okay.
Um and so, with that, like Iencourage people right now, if,
like, you're upset about what'sgoing on and what is being cut
from the federal government andwhat the federal government's
priorities are, violence is notgoing to get you a sympathetic

(01:50:12):
or empathetic support and it'snot going to get you the action
you desire.
Right, like.
So, approach things from aperspective like this is a
moment in time.
Who's to say what, the, what,the what's going to happen after
this?
Trump could do a lot of thingsin four years.
He can get rid of a lot ofthings, whether they're good or
bad, and the next admin couldtotally bring them all back

(01:50:36):
Right, don't make a knee-jerkreaction that is going to cost
you your life, whether that'slike you actually lose your life
because you do something very,uh, unintelligent, like the dude
who just tried to cross thedefense to the white house and
like immediately got sworn bysecret service.
That guy's gonna be in afederal pen forever.

(01:50:58):
Right, and like don't, don't dosomething like that with.
That's gonna like cost you your, your life and your freedom.
When you could just be patientand decide okay, I disagree with
it.
What's happening I am going toseek cost you your, your life
and your freedom.
When you could just be patientand decide okay, I disagree with
it.
What's happening.
I am going to seek out, likethe proper opportunity to better
like myself in thesecircumstance, and when my

(01:51:18):
opportunity comes, I'll seizethat for a peaceable way of
improving my circumstances.
Like a new job.
Right, and I lost my job here,but my knowledge that I took
from that is going to be superimportant to this next position.
I'll be in right, and so I.
I just I'm.
The last thing I want to see,even if I disagree with someone

(01:51:40):
politically, is then make a verypoor decision that costs them
more than what they would havelost if they had just been
patient and timing.
You know essentially quoteunquote timing the market right
to reinvest in themselves,switch careers.
I know a lot of people who arein their 40s that just switched
to computer science, softwareengineering, just got a master's

(01:52:04):
degree in it and are nowbecoming first year on the job,
you know, computer scientists orcomputer engineers.
They're pivoting from alifelong career of like
something totally irrelevant,but they they're reinvesting
themselves and taking theopportunity to hop on this train
, yeah, and make reallife-changing money right for
their families.

(01:52:24):
Do something like that.
You know those opportunitiesout there.
It's not that hard.
I did it and it like I was.
I knew nothing about codingbefore I took my program and now
I'm a great coder, right andI'm a data scientist.
So if I could do it, anyonecould do it, but I don't know.
I just want to encourage peopleto let cooler heads prevail in

(01:52:46):
a time that may feel turbulentto them, cause now you're
probably feeling what, honestly,a lot of us felt over the last
four years the direction thiscountry was heading and we get
to now with, through the bat.
Patients seize theopportunities here and take
advantage of them to betterourselves and our families.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Yeah, and at the like one of the most defeating
things is maybe seeing somebodywho is being entirely consumed
by today's political yeah.
Climate for the worse.
Oh, yeah, right, like it, trulylike.
Eggs are a little moreexpensive.
Gas is a little bit expensive.

(01:53:27):
Maybe you can't afford a house.
Those things are frustrating,but that doesn't have to take up
12 hours of your day of thoughtbecause you're so angry at
what's going on.
You know, like the people aroundyou still need time and
attention and love yeah like youdon't need to continue to

(01:53:47):
consume and consume, and consume, like there's so many things
that are far more important thanthis.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
And we've endured the last four years and whether
you're on the right or the left,you'll endure the next four as
well, as many others have feltthat they have to and just kind
of ride the wave.
Stuff is happening, stuff ismoving um, and you survived the

(01:54:16):
last administration and theadministration before then, so
you're probably going to end upokay, uh yeah, just I think
that's well put, dean yeah, andthe other piece I was just
thinking of too is likenothing's new under the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
The world keeps turning.
So if you are yet, I'd saycaveat to what I'm about to say
would be yes, the decisions thatthe big dogs make do trickle
down to all of us, but also,ultimately, it's on you.
You know, like it's on me, oryou or like to like, if you want

(01:54:53):
to change your position in life.
You want to afford a house, youwant to make it easy to buy
eggs.
You can't control it.
To control, you can control,and what we can control is what
we do.
So that's maybe you need asecond job.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Maybe you know vote, do so.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
That's.
Maybe you need a second job.
Maybe you know, vote with yourmoney, vote with your money.
Get out there, do what you cando.
But my main thing like also inthis case, like don't be a
victim either way.
You know to be like um don'tput everything on biden, don't
put everything on trump.
For why your life is the way,it is because people under both

(01:55:29):
people, under all leaderships,have had success and failure.
You know it's like, so it's likeon an individual standpoint,
it's on you and just like youare ultimately the you're you,
you have, you're the decidingfactor in your future and, yes,
people have you're the decidingfactor in your future.
And, yes, people have bad luck,we have, you know, economic

(01:55:52):
downturn, those sorts of things,and they go on.
But at the same time, it's notowed to you either.
You know, like, no one owes youanything, so just get it done.
You know, and there's like,that's like exactly, and like
and some people would be like,oh, pull me up by the bootstraps
.
You know, like that bullshitold line.
And I'm like like I hear youalso, yes, because whether it's

(01:56:15):
right or wrong, that's youroption.
You know, like that's what wecan do, and so and to take, take
our own agency.
Not let what's going on aroundus dictate how we feel about it.
Not let what's going on aroundus dictate how we feel about it.
Not spend 12 hours a dayvictimizing ourselves or getting
bent out of shape, and justmove forward with it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
And Christ is forever and always bigger than the
federal government.
And it doesn't matter if you'reon the right or the left, the
right or the left like, uh,there's always hope and there's
always something bigger to leanon than your elected officials.
It's yeah, it's not somethingto put your hope in, hands in,

(01:56:58):
because they will, 10 times outof 10, let you down at some
point in time for sure goodstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Thanks, dean, for coming on.
Thanks for having me.
Always a pleasure to have you,dude.
Thanks, ken, for listening.
Hope you enjoyed this episodeof Make a Pat Show.
We will hopefully be doinganother Bruiser Reviews here
soon, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
Pat any sign-off Till next time.
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