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Join us in this episode as we delve into the remarkable journey of transitioning into the exciting yet challenging world of our thirties! We kick things off with some light-hearted anecdotes, including a comical fall I took while walking my excited canine companion through the snowy landscape. Those slips and trips remind us that despite aging, we can still embrace adventure.

As we navigate through the episode, we explore interesting insights on dog training, the essentials of maintaining an active lifestyle post-30, and the joy of good footwear while walking. A significant part of this discussion centers around surprising gifts from a memorable trip to the Smoky Mountains—two exquisite knives that symbolize our camaraderie and countless adventures as friends.

Equipped with stories from our Tennessee adventure, we uncover the delicious local cuisine, wonderful attractions, and the importance of engaging in family-centered fun that fosters strong bonds. This experience highlights the beauty of community, reaffirming how shared connections often spring from the most unexpected encounters.

Finally, we wrap up by reflecting on deep conversations with fellow passengers during our flight home, showcasing how faith and community can bring people together, promoting a spirit of connection and understanding. Join us to explore laughter, warmth, and the valuable life lessons we learn along this interesting path! And don’t forget to share your own memorable moments of growing up! Subscribe and share if you enjoyed our tales!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
so, nick, I had my first post 30 fall today break
your hip, no no, no man, but Ijust turned 30 and uh was
walking my dog to connie bro.

(00:24):
I do wonder how many peoplehear your burps in the
background and wonder if we'resummoning Satan.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
They are gnarly sometimes.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
They are more roars than they are burps.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I try to get real away from the microphone.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
But I was walking her .
She gets really excited aboutthe snow.
She loves to just walk and lickit up.
It was funny because if youfollow her tracks there's just
like paws and then like a streakfrom her mouth that's, and then
like just her paw prints, um.
But anyway, she gets excitedand she was pulling and I try to

(00:57):
get.
I've been trying to train herto not pull um at all, just
because when it's slippery likethat it's very hard to manage
for you.
And so, as she's gettingexcited and going, I pull
against the leash right.
But my pulling against theleash on the fresh snow makes me
slide forward.
You know, for every actionthere's an equal and opposite

(01:20):
reaction.
Well, my dog was not thereaction.
My boots sliding across thesnow was the reaction and so I
went down full on like um.
There was a moment where bothfeet were in the air to the left
before my like knee, hip andelbow on the right side landed.
But I landed in in the freshsnow, mostly, broke my fall and

(01:46):
Takani's sweet dog comes up tome and just, oh my gosh, you
know she's like you fell down.
She's immediately like around me, hovering, trying to make sure
I'm okay.
I'm like, all right, let memake sure everything's all right
.
I'm like going through, likewhat landed?
I kind of get to my knees andthen I stand up and I'm, you
know, trying to make sure Idon't react at her because I

(02:06):
want her to behave that way.
I want her if you know, billieJean or I fell to come to us, or
if we were her right for her tocome to.
So I'm trying to tell her goodgirl, good girl.
And then I tell her to sit soshe just relaxes, so I can get
my bearings, and I go throughand I got no pain, no pain at
all.
I'm like, all right, well,let's keep walking, we'll see.

(02:29):
And and I could say for a 30year old guy, I got no pains or
anything so far.
And this was just earlier today, before I came to the podcast
that I took, that took that that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Just wait till tomorrow.
Also, be glad you weren'tcarrying a 2011.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Might've shot your pee, pee, that's true, cause
them be going off, but they onlygo off because 1911s go off.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean, yeah, yeah, you know both the same.
I mean a hard hit.
You know, like that's the sortof thing people don't think of
sometimes, like I wouldn't fallWell you might fall.
Yeah, that's true?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Anyways, it's also why I don't carry a 320.
I carry a Flux Raider and it'snot pointing at my pee-pee, it's
pointing at the ground behindme because it's in the backpack.
But anyways, I just thoughtyou'd find that funny.
No, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
It is kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
When you're like that's my first fall into my 30s
, I mean it's probably onlygonna get harder to get up.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I definitely didn't get up as fast as I used to.
I'll say this cold weather'sgot my.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
My knees have been aching the whole time it's been
cold yeah, when we're doing ourwalks we usually go for two
miles per walk and, um, Inoticed on mile two yesterday I
was having some seriouscreakiness in my right knee.
Are you walking in these?
boots, oh hell, yeah, I lovethey're so comfy I mean they,
yeah, but they're like they'renot necessarily great for

(03:58):
walking long distances, oh no Ithink that I think they're great
because they are like one,they're great for cold weather,
snow, ice, right, they're prettygrippy.
And two, I think boots likethis help you make the most out
of walks, because you're up.
Well, I think they make you dothe full stride which is heel to

(04:21):
toe, push off.
Heel to toe, push off right, andI can really feel it in my
calves and the back of myhammies and I think, like that's
the point of like I'm a bigbeliever that walking is the
best workout if you do it right,if you take small steps while
walking and do it and like youget, you get more steps.
Quote, unquote, right.

(04:42):
That's not the real benefit ofdoing long stride walks.
And this is all justregurgitation from, like a PT
guy who was like he told me he'slike don't ever run with weight
on.
These dummies who are runningwith plated vests or weighted
vests are stupid.
Really Don't run with weight.
If you want to get really goodexercise for your whole body and

(05:05):
cardio, you can do shortsprints of running to try to
increase like your fastest timeand like short distance, like
continually trying to run a milefaster and faster.
But if you're going fordistance and stuff like that,
you can jog and run with noweight.
But if you're gonna do weightto try to do, like you know,
more muscle development and likeresistance exercise, you should

(05:30):
be doing, you should be walking.
You should be doing heavyweight, heavy weights, full
stride walking.
So like, all right, wear your20 pound vest and ankle weights
or whatever right, but likeagain, that will do more for
your body than running, becauseit's going to exercise more
muscle groups and it willimprove cardio and such.

(05:51):
But you won't get the benefitsif you're not doing the full
heel to toe step in strides like, if you're just walking like
some homie around the mall, justnot just daydreaming and not
caring at all about your form.
It's like anything else, right,you need to be aware of your
form.
So, anyways, all I said I likethese boots because I can feel
that they make me walk in theright form.

(06:11):
Okay, and they have increasedmy time quite a bit.
I've got my kilometer pacewalking, not running.
I've got my kilometer pace withthe weighted vest down to right
under 12 minutes per kilometerwhich is on time for the classic
four miles in an hour.

(06:33):
Naismith rule, right Like youshould be able to do a solid
pace of four miles an hour.
And I'm able to do that withweight.
Nice, that's good, I like it.
I've been training, I've beentraining, anyways, said that's
my uh, that's my um.
You know, first, first forayinto, uh, old age, um, but

(06:59):
before I forget, I have a giftfor you oh man, it's exciting
because it's your birthday gift.
And yes, did I get it on mysecret birthday trip with my
wife?
I did.
But it was one of those thingswhere I was like you know what,
we're kind of at a point in ourlives where you're a friend of
mine and your wife is now afriend of my wife when we're out

(07:21):
places.
I do think we think of you guyswhen we see wife that when
we're out places, I do think wethink of you guys when we see
things, especially when we're intennessee and mace windu, you
know, would drag herself throughbroken glass to sniff the boot
prints of dolly parton.
So I was like you know, like wegotta get got to get her some

(07:44):
Dolly something.
Oh yeah, so I know Billie Jeangot her a gift a nice little
cute Dolly Parton kitchen towelnot for you to use.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do not use that towel , Pat.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
The Dolly Parton towel is not for your dirty,
greasy hands.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
We need to tell my wife to not use it, because
she's utilitarian sometimes.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh, is she really?
She's just like she'll use itup Dude Billie Jean had a course
correction for me when Igrabbed the bright white
Christmas towel in the kitchenhanging from the stove.
Yeah, of course, to wipe off amess, right, and I was informed
that's not what that towel's for.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Is it for drying hands?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
No, it's actually that towel's not for anything
other than Christmas decoration.
If I needed to clean up a mess,use the dirty, nasty black
kitchen towel.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm more like your wife in that way and Mace
Windu's just like over there,like baby food, you know cast
iron skillet.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I always, I always felt that you know, mace and I
were kind of on the same psycheto some degree.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, just to you know, it's a towel you know what
you're supposed to use it, foryeah, I won't, I, I won't use it
.
We just gotta, we, I gotta,relay the message yes, yes, oh,
and that too.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
You got me a birthday gift, and it's new headphones
and new mics for the studio,which is good because, honestly,
I was gonna ask you if I couldtake something home, because I
have quite a few videos thatI've been recording on my free
time that are very miscellaneous.
They're not rants, right,they're just miscellaneous

(09:27):
activities and I'm like Irecorded it.
Why not turn it into contentfor the pod?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
oh yeah, so a little voiceover mic, but I do need to
voice them over, all rightbecause they're the one is like
this the process of learning howto spray paint my rifle.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh yeah yeah, which turned out sick.
Have I shown you the pictures?
No, not yet.
Well, it turned out sick.
However, I also drank aboutfive beers while doing it that's
how you're supposed to and itgot pretty wild at points.
Just a man alone in a garageWith a rattle can.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Flip flops rattle.
Can gas mask on?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Rifle hanging from the ceiling.
It was awesome.
It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Completely unloaded.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Headphones died, so I just started playing the music
out loud.
It was great, dude, it was sucha good time.
Let me show you.
I'll pull up the picture here,but anyway, so there's that one.
And then I did another onewhere I tested out a silencer
for my FNX-45, which it wasn'tlike a very exhaustive testing,
but it was cool and I kind ofjust want to use the footage for
a conversation about firearmsand accessories for firearms.

(10:31):
Right, but anywho, what arethese mics and what are these?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
headphones.
I mean the headphones.
They're pretty basic.
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Don't let anyone don't say that man Don't say
that because, yeah, don't say it, because most people here have
no experience doing podcasts, solike these are pretty fancy to
anyone else this is true.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So I will say we, we don't go tippy top of the line.
I I do know good gear, I can bea bit of a gear whore, but at
the same time we gotta you know,we're balling on a budget.
We're balling on a budget atthe mick and pat show we are,
and so we've been uh for thepast two years rocking the uh um

(11:17):
, just some sm58, suremicrophones which are kind of
like your workhorse, ford f-150,just microphone.
That's the, that's the uh mostcommonly used microphone
everywhere, anywhere you're atum, and we had some little uh
pop filters on them.

(11:38):
But uh, now we've got some,some fancy shore podcast
microphones, um, and they're notthe full.
There is a next level up fromhere and they're like 450 a pop.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I didn't get those, but these are uh basically sure
came out with a I was gonna sayI know for a fact we don't have
450 in our bank account.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah, these uh, um, these uh, um, uh, these new
, sure microphones.
Basically they're, you know,they're like that classic
podcast shape microphone, aradio microphone, and the
biggest feature on them being,you know, we've got a a big,
thick, uh pop filter on them sothat, uh, you know we're not

(12:25):
blowing out stuff.
It's got a better low end to it.
And then also our yeah, it'sjust some headphones that kind
of upgrade our headphones tosome higher end AKG headphones
so that we can, while we'rerecording I'm kind of like
mixing live and making sureeverything's sounding good.
And our other microphones kindof had some a lot more
background noise coming throughon them and so, yeah, we just

(12:48):
kind of had to.
We didn't have to, but Ithought it'd be nice to make it
a little more, a little moreofficial.
It's funny because day one inthe Macon Pat headquarters, we
were in this giant office um,not giant giant, but it's really

(13:09):
long and echoey and we werejust sitting holding the
microphones with our hands,talking.
And then we've now we're wherewe are now we've got a little
studio set up with uh excuse me,with we have, you know, uh,
bass traps in the corners.
We've got props.
No, you're not a real podcastunless you have props, it's true

(13:33):
, you know, and things on thetable and stuff around you, but
we've got foam on the ceilingsand curtains up and a big thick
carpet on the floor to help withechoing, and so so this dog we
got a dog now and a pretty bigand fluffy dog.
It probably helps with the audioquality in the room.
And so now we've the microphonewas kind of the next step, so

(13:59):
hopefully our voices are comingthrough nice and clear for you.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Take a, this is, this is the rifle, this is my 223,
wild.
Oh nice, I went for the, themulti-cam patterning across it
really wanted to have like.
I wanted that like reptilianhex pattern, but also the know
multi-cam breakup of colors andthings.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, no, this is sweet.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And this is, and then I'll give you another picture
in a video so you can see.
And what?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
That's awesome.
No, this is a.
That's what you got to do.
You got to paint your guns.
You got to paint your guns, bro.
If it's a black gun, paint it.
If it's a wood gun, paint it.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's a wood gun, leave it alone yeah well, I mean
, I would even paint a wood gunif it was a certain price wood
gun.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know what I mean yeah, but I mean just in general
, people get scared about likespray paint on spray painting,
or I mean people get, or peopleget scared about spray painting,
just their black gun yeah it'sgonna work the same way.
Just do it.
Do what you want, that's true.
Live your truth you're justjust like jamming out to music

(15:13):
while recording oh yeah prettysick, though, right that's
pretty good, awesome, and I'llshow you I'll show you the
picture.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
So I picked the colors and kind of the style to
match my ghost hood cone camoand uh, so I did take a picture
of it leaning against the camo.
Um, but essentially the processI followed with that was the
base coat of tan and then thelaundry bag hex pattern.

(15:54):
I just put a laundry bag acrossover it and that was enough to
mix it up and give it the hexpattern as I sprayed over and
then after that I just drizzledit with soap.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And did layers.
I love the soap method on there.
That soap method video you sentme did it work.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I mean I said, say I pretty much, just did soap over
it yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And then sprayed one coat of a color, then soap over
that one coat of a color, thensoap over that, one coat of
another color, soap over that.
And I did all that over after Ihad done stripes of various hex
kind of scale patterns.
So that's why there's like hexpatterns but then there's
different infill.
Uh-huh, it's because the soapfilled in.
Yeah, on the hex stuff, butanyways.

(16:42):
So here you can see it rightagainst my actual camo that I
used as inspiration.
That's pretty good, that's likepretty one-to-one right, that
blends right in there.
Yeah, it goes to a camo brown.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's awesome.
What's funny is like there's aSig Spear sitting down the road
for $3,500, with like you know,it's all camoed out, this camo
looks better.
With like you know, it's allcamoed out, this camera looks
better.
Well you know who's?
Six beers right down the road,it's at the gun stop.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh okay, I was gonna ask if they miss it or not like
if we could get it oh yeah, no,no, I know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Like uh, just like uh stock, like uh cerakote,
whatever.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
But yeah, the the soap method is wild yeah, and,
and so I'm going to do thefluxes next.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Oh, you're painting the flux.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
And I'm painting the flux up before next week because
I'm going to bring it next weekto blow Rice-A-Roni and Hoffman
their mind away.
So for those of you who don'tknow, next week we're having
some guests on to reviewemergency individual first aid
kit setups as well as like a notnecessarily individual first

(17:49):
aid kit, but like a car firstaid kit and how to kind of set
those things up.
And I'm bringing in all of myfirst aid stuff with what I
currently have set up and thenI'm going to let them tear it
apart and tell me what to put init instead.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I like it, and then I'm gonna let them tear it apart
and tell me what to put in itinstead.
Um, so now I will say the uh,we have talked about painting
guns in the past, yeah, andyou've talked about defense
weapons and like being carefulabout how you paint that.
Oh, yes, yes yes so I'm likeyour.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Your flux is kind of a it is a personal defense
weapon, yeah so what's the?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
are you like stormtrooper?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
or like are you doing like a hello kitty pattern?
I was thinking about going likeiron cross actually, you know,
like, really like ss, you knowmemorabilia stuff.
Oh that's, that's dangerous yeah, I, I I'm just kidding.
I want people to get scaredwhen they see my gun.
No One.
If you hear that and you don'tthink that's silly and you think

(18:52):
no, no, no, no, I do wantpeople to get scared when they
see my gun.
It's a gun that will be enoughto scare them.
If you put the Punisher skullon your gun, it's not scaring
them anymore.
And in fact, that's only goingto build a case against you in
the court of law that you're avigilante seeking to harm people
because you're psychoticallyimbalanced.

(19:14):
So here's what I'm saying Paintyour guns for the aesthetic
purpose of you know, a spraypaint helps protect against rust
, it looks vibey, it's cool.
Paint it for camo, becauseblack is not a color naturally
found in the world.
Right, all that jazz, but do itright so you don't like jam up

(19:36):
your gun and gunk it up.
When it comes to personaldefense weapons, like your
handgun, a Flux Raiderider or amore small sbr, sbs, when you
paint those, you should actuallygo in the other direction make
them look as probably harmless,perhaps not a toy, right?

(19:57):
We don't want, we don't wantthe court to think that you
don't respect the seriousness.
Orange tips on them, yes, butyou are painting them to perhaps
make sure you don't come off incase you ever have to use it.
You're not coming off assomeone who wants to use this
firearm, but this is more likeperhaps a recreational tool, a

(20:19):
sporting tool that you happen tohave on you at the time of use
and you used it for personaldefense.
That you happen to have on youat the time of use and you used
it for personal defense.
So I'm going with my Flux, theclassic route of 80s, 90s, jazz.
Styrofoam coffee cup.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you know the?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
jazz design?
I think so.
Yeah, the jazz design is theclassic white, white, teal,
purple zigzag across the teal.
You know what I'm talking, ohyeah, yeah.
The classic ski jacket color Yep, and so I'm going for that
method to have it be more oflike a sporting cool.
Yeah, I use this incompetitions because I don't

(21:00):
need my flux to be camo.
I'm not using the flux in ahunting or even, like you know,
red Dawn environment, where Ineed it to blend in and not give
my position away.
But I might be using the fluxin a ooh ooh bad guy.
I need to pull it out of mybackpack way, and at that point
it doesn't really matter if itlooks like a gun or if it looks

(21:24):
like a coffee cup, so that's,and I kind of think it looks
sick.
I've always thought like ifyou're gonna do it, might as
well do it with a gun like thatyeah that you know its purpose
is to be vibey yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So the flux has some flare.
It needs a little panache alittle, a little, uh, a little
bit in there, I guess the uhyou'll paint it uh.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
With the stock closed actually I'm painting it with
the stock open and taped,because that's one of the things
they say is that you shouldtape the stock right when uh,
when, painting it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So I was thinking about the function of that.
That's one one where the on theflux uh, if you don't know who
you're, if someone's listeningdoesn't know, basically there's
a button you push and thebuttstock like flings out.
That's what I'm gonna go for.
I think that'll be awesome andthis is gonna.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know, that will be just literally on the body.
I'm not gonna make my hollowsun aims that.
Or the compensator uh, I'm,this is literally just the
housing of the flux, becauseeverything else will come off
and could be used for a moreserious purpose yeah, I think
that'll be.
Uh, that'll be awesome wellexplain the flux, sorry, I just

(22:34):
want to show you I was justsaying for the flux, uh,
basically the on the.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, the flux raider is a chassis for uh pistol.
So you take your, you take asig pistol and you drop it into
uh your, this chassis system.
That's a little bit simplified.
But, um, there's a button, youhit and the, the buttstock
flings out fast, and so whenyou're painting a weapon, you

(23:03):
got to be kind of conscious ofif you're painting parts of it
that have uh functions, thathave to be you know anything
that has to move on there.
You want to be careful abouthow you're painting that stuff.
So I was just uh, yeah, the,you can't paint the, the part
that pops out, because you kindof gum it up, jam it up.
Potentially, if you put thatlayer on there, it's not, the
stock's not going to spring.

(23:23):
Kind of gum it up, jam it up.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
If you put that layer on there it's not the stock's
not going to spring out.
And additionally it's nicebecause most of the springs are
already covered by the flux youknow when they're installed.
But they've also said like hey,make sure you remove in your
fire control unit and all thatstuff.
Of course, right.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So or are you gonna?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I am gonna paint the slide down, but I'm gonna paint
the slide to be that like avapor wave, sunset orange, so
it's gonna be like a.
The top of it's gonna be like agolden yellow, all right that
just fades into like a orange,almost like neon orange red, and
then I'm gonna just uh, likeweather dry brush the edges of

(24:04):
it with a pink, all right, sothat way it looks kind of like
as it wears off, it looks likethere's pink underneath it, but
not a Barbie pink.
Well, honestly, if I just turnthe computer here, you can see
the background Pretty much.
It's going to go with that kindof vibe, but more solid, less

(24:27):
smoky.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's kind of like this Flux is going to have a
Macon Pat Show vibe to it.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, it's going to be very.
I mean, we bought it for theshow.
That's true, it's a taxwrite-off.
I've heard for things to be taxwrite-offs.
You just have to buy them anduse them in one episode for it
to count.
We've used it in a lot ofepisodes.
Yeah, exactly, so there you go.
But anyways, all that said,guns, guns and stuff, cool
things.
I have a gift for you, but youget to pick.

(24:57):
And now yes, I want one ofthese more than the other.
All right.
So I might be butthurt based onwhich one you pick, but that
only adds Annie's to the stakes.
Oh my gosh, down in Tennessee.
I went to pigeon forge ingatlinburg, uh for my birthday
weekend my, my wife surprised me, was taking me to the smoky

(25:19):
mountains, which I love, thesmoky mountains, um, and she
took me down there for mybirthday.
We went out thursday and it wasreally fun with my group of uh,
our group of like dudes that wedo our cqb classes with, and
all that.
I was like, hey, boys, let's doa little bit of reconnaissance
research here.
Here's all the facts of what Iknow.
I know like we're roughlyflying out around this time.

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I know it's a straight flight,no connecting.
I know the weather where we'regoing is going to be roughly
around this temperature for theweekend and to expect some rain,
yada, yada right.
And uh, everyone's like, allright, let's freaking figure out
all the flights flying out oflike denver international
airport at this time.
You know, let's all right.
Based off those, what are theones with this temperature?

(26:02):
Uh, and we just were goingthrough them and like I was like
if I had a bad money, I thinkwe're gonna go to pigeon forge,
but I don't know which airport.
And I had a couple dudes likeknoxville no, not knoxville.
It Nashville, nope, notNashville.
Too long of a queue.
And also connecting flights,and like we were all just like
geo, locating everything, andthen like we pinned it down like
perfect flight time, all thatstuff, and so I sent a picture

(26:25):
to the boys of the gate after wegot to it.
I was like we nailed it boys,and of course I didn't want to
under.
I didn't want to take the windout of her sails at all.
So, I told her we had made aguess, oh yeah, but like I
didn't tell her where and sowhen we got there I was like oh,
this is perfect, I'm so excited.
It is exactly where we thoughtwe were, I was going.
But I'm so stoked and I showedher the messages and she thought

(26:47):
it was really funny, nice, butum, oh, that's awesome.
So we went there and there's aplace there that I love.
It's called Smoky MountainKnife Works oh dang, and it's
like this massive, massive knifewarehouse store full of like
probably 200 different no, not200, sorry Probably about maybe

(27:07):
25 different tables, but eachtable has anywhere from like one
to 10, 15 brands.
So you probably have like 200brands in total represented
there, if not more.
The only thing is that theyused to have more local handmade
knives.
They just don't really nowanymore and the last time I was

(27:28):
there was over 10 years ago.
But they're like I'm lookingfor something that's made in
Tennessee, yada, yada, andthey're like, well, we don't
really have a ton of those.
But K-Bar knives apparently aremade in Tennessee.
Oh dang, I was like I don'treally want to get a K-Bar.
Like that's pretty excessive.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
He doesn't need it, a bear killer he doesn't need a
you know freaking giant K-Bar.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I'm sure he already has a giant.
Give him something like that'scool, but also like will serve a
purpose, like you knowsomething, daily utility, all
right.
So I got us two knives here.
Oh, my gosh, a knife.
They are the uh k-bar defensemaster series in con, in tandem
with uh cooperation withtactical defense institute.
Now, these aren't just likejoker, okay, I want you to know
like this is not like chinesiumright like these are designed in
partner with like lawenforcement right to be

(28:25):
specifically like knives that apolice officer is can use and
rely on.
All right um the this, theseknives these are.
You should never pull it out tocut like really cardboard
string rope, anything like that,because they are made of very
sharpened thin steel and theywill chip on things like that

(28:48):
like these are literally.
I mean, these are really muchdesigned to like cut through
tissue and do it really wellwith a certain style of fighting
.
So you'll see when you open it,right.
But here's the thing.
One is FDE, one is black.
I kind of want the FDE one, butif you get it, I don't want it
anymore.

(29:08):
All right, I'm just going to bebummed and grumpy about it.
All right, because you got it.
I have no idea which one'swhich anymore.
Yeah, the only thing I can tellis that one of them is 02-1481
and the other one's 01-1477.
I have no idea which one'swhich.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
So I'm just picking and I get the one I get, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
And technically actually they're, I guess no,
sorry, k-bar might be based inTennessee.
These are made in Taiwan, sothey're kind of made in China.
But these are like high qualitystuff.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
All right.
No, I like it All right, leftor right.
What if I have a preference aswell?
What do you want?
I mean, I'm not an FDE man.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh, okay, but I don't know which one's which.
All right, let's open thisthing up.
All right, let's open thisthing up, all right, cool, so um
, they should be.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
oh sick I think I got the fdu I got the fdu.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Oh, let's go all right.
So, um, you'll see as we openthese.
Um, okay, good, good, sothere's a bubble wrap um a kydex
holster.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Oh, with the buckle it's just open, oh dang, oh,
it's a fixed blade it's a fixedblade that goes into a kydex
holster yeah, this is sexy andthese are punch blades yeah, so
these are awesome you can you?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
essentially the whole methodology is to rip it out
and box with it and like, andlet it be what you strike with.
And a lot of guys they want to.
They want to hold it like thisright, like like you might hold
a pistol, where this fingergroove rolls over, uh, the part
of your finger between yourfirst uh knuckle coming down

(30:52):
from your fingernail.
For people at home, right, okay, if you look at your finger,
your first knuckle is the onethat is closest to your
fingertip, your fingernail.
So that's first knuckle.
Your second knuckle is thejoint between that and then your
last knuckle is actually yourknuckle knuckle, which you would
use to box with, like that.
That tip is what you also don'tgo second knuckle, you tuck it

(31:13):
in the third.
You tuck it in, yeah, becauseessentially you want to hold it
and make a fist thumb over tokeep it from being able to roll.
Oh, yeah, and you're slashingbut also jabbing, and you're
jabbing just the same way youwould with a fist.
So even if you and it's alsolike I was watching someone
someone was like, if you hold itlike this and try to strike out

(31:34):
like a little pokey, likeyou're pointing a gun and trying
to poke someone with the tip ofa pistol.
A good chance is.
As you're going for that jab,your thumb's gonna get caught on
something.
Slide back, you're gonna tearyour thumb ligament and pop it
out of place where you're gonnabreak your fingers and the
knife's gonna roll.
So you hold it as you would yeah, you'd hold it like you would

(31:56):
your fist for boxing, and thenyou're boxing out and jabbing
and if you need to do somehammer swings right.
Oh my lanta.
Doesn't that feel strong,though?
Doesn't it feel like it's goingto make your punch like oh yeah
, hurt way more, not to mentioncut someone's face open?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
no, this, oh it's a, it's a mean old thing.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I like it, yeah, and feel that seat on the Kydex.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
That is a secure thing.
Now you may look online.
When people look online, theymay see.
Police stopped carrying theseand the reason was police were
carrying them OWB, so they werejust carrying them on their
basket weave belts.
People were just grabbing themoff of them.
Yes, people were pulling themoff of them and killing them
with their own knives.
Oh, that's not good.

(32:40):
So this, though, to me, is whatwe would have on us as a
secondary backup on the belt,but of course concealed, yeah,
or on a vest, or anything likethat that you want.
But all that, anyways, I hopeyou like it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh, this is sweet, I like it.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I hope we never have to use it, but feel the edge
Just like run your finger acrossit, like it is crazy sharp.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
And like it scared me when I first felt it and like
ran my finger across it.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, and I think, like you know, like the age of the
Rambo knife is kind of done asfar as like it's just not really
I mean just shaved off like anice clean.
Oh yeah, you just shave yourhand with that thing, you know,
because so like, the blade onthis is literally two thumb
length.
I'd say it's two inches long,right at it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I think it's like exactly the length of my thumb
maybe the blade is shorter.
I guess the whole spine of theknife is the length of my thumb.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, so I mean, it's as long as your thumb, more or
less.
And so the big old Rambo knife,while cool the utility factor,
well, we don't use it as abayonet anymore.
Multiple utility Might be niceto have the big old Rambo knife

(34:03):
to chop down a tree, but that'sreally.
You know, these smaller,compact and particularly shaped
knives have a pretty specificuse and I like it.
I think I might.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
This might go, this might go on the plate carrier
too, you know, yeah that's whatI was thinking about, like,
here's the thing as a civilian,if you're in a plate carrier,
you don't really need to worryabout concealing it anymore,
right?
Um, for the most part.
But also it's kind of one ofthose things like if you're
wearing a plate carrier andyou're a civilian, you're

(34:38):
probably pretty careful aboutwho's coming up to you and
getting remotely close to you,probably way more cautious than
a police officer or someone whohas to deal with like people all
day and just gets used to itbecause so because I will say,
if I'm day-to-day carrying aknife, I want something I kind
of can cut cardboard with two.
So they're gotta go well, that'swhat I'm saying, right, right,

(35:00):
that's what you have, that onein your pocket yes, you might
have to double up and or likethough the um depending on.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I carry different things in different situations,
right?
So, like day in, day out, thiswon't be like concealed on me
all the time.
Let me say this, though, but goahead.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Notice orientation it comes in what.
What handed is it?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
is it lefty?
No, no, no.
Does it go in the in the band?
Yeah, righty, okay, it'sright-handed orientation.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
What handed are you Lefty?
Yes, so now I'm going to flipmine around to be lefty oriented
, so that way I can go for theconcealed carry draw.
And that's how a lot of theseare like essentially marketed,
or like not marketed, butdesigned for use.
Is that this is your punch backwhile you're going for your

(35:57):
draw, if need be, if you need tocreate that space or anything,
but also you get to do the coolthing from.
You know modern warfare 2you're.
You know you got your knife outfor you know the freaking quick
stealth to slash it.
Yeah, you know what I mean yeah,uh, that's more of a joke right
but it is.
It is like, honestly, that islike a very.
You know that's kind of thepoint of like in the ideal
behind this is like is like,honestly, that is like a very.
You know that's kind of thepoint of like in the ideal

(36:17):
behind this is like this is aget, this is a create space
weapon and it's not meant to belike your primary.
But that said, what's yourprimary hand going to be doing?
Going for your concealed carrypistol?
so therefore, it's a great for asecondary hand yeah and it
doesn't take much cord, like youdon't have to do a lot of
training to get yournon-dominant hand up to speed on

(36:39):
punching right, I like this.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
This sheath on this is nice, uh, where it's kind of
inset on the top here so thatyou can do that.
Well it's, it's grooved too soyou can do that thumb so, yeah,
so the thumb push gets your handwhere it needs to be.
Yeah, it's pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
You're gonna have to in the video for this one,
you're just going to have to addpictures of this knife.
Yeah, and so people have anidea.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I like it and I love you know there's been a lot of
like Chinese versions of theK-Bar you know, come out.
But I do, just I love theorigin of the K-Bar and this
might be an overtold story, butdo you know about where the name
comes from?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I do, and I don't want to ruin it for you because
I think you probably liketelling this story.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, I don't know all the story, my version is
short, but basically back in theday somebody wrote a letter.
I don't know where the letterwent to, but it was a little bit
of an illiterate individual,you know, just saying that they
killed a bar with the knife.

(37:48):
You know, basically that was.
They couldn't make it out whatit said, so they started making
these knives, the K-bar.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
And it said I K'd a bar with this knife, but so bar
comes from killing a bar.
What I understood, what Iunderstood, was that it was a,
it was the knife.
It was like based off of thebowie knife but designed to be a
bayonet, fixable knife.
And, like you know, I thinkthey were like some of the first
, like rifled, you know, musketsor whatever, or springfields.
But anyways, from what I say,it was a Marine at an outpost
and he wrote the letter while hewas dying from his wounds and

(38:25):
all they could make out from allthe blood on the letter and all
that was K-A-B-R.
Yeah, you're right.
It was like, oh, he killed abear, we can't really make
anything else out of it, let'sgo check on him.
And they got up there and likehe's dead.
But the bear is freaking pokedfull of holes and they're like
damn that's a good knife.
So that could be total FUD myth, but it is the story that I

(38:50):
like a lot, but it's one ofthose ones where I don't care.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
That's what the, the uh ethos of it is behind you.
Gotta get after a bear withthat thing.
Yeah, yeah, super cool.
No, I think that's a.
I'm excited.
It's awesome gift.
Um goes with another allenwrench.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What I've learned is that I can never have too many,
so I'm always looking for one,and I have at this point
probably a hundred and I'malways looking for one and I'm
always losing one.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, that hundred.
And I'm always looking for oneand I'm always losing one.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
That's the thing I'm always losing the one I need.
I just was so sad I pulled oneout of my AR's pistol grip
because I was like, oh, I need ajustice and I put it.
I know I put an Allen wrench upin here and I pulled it out and
I looked and I was like, oh,it's rusted to hell and it
snapped on me when I startedtrying to torque it.
Oh no, so even a nicer onewould be better.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But anyways, tennessee Pretty sweet I'll give
like the high Hitch and forge,because you said you were
excited to go there again, hadyou been there before.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I had.
But again, it was like 10 yearsago.
It was before the fires andstuff came through and it was
during like the fall.
And so when I went last time itwas like fall season and I did
a lot of ATV in and kind ofstuff like that.
Did you go to the same?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
amusement area.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
No, this time I totally.
Last time I didn't do likeanything other than like ATV and
zip line and staying in like alittle cottage.
This time, billy, gene and I,we went to the Old Mill, which
is crazy deal for food.
If you want to be able to feedyourself for like two whole days
, go to the Old Mill.
You get a ton of, like a ton offood, unlimited sides, and then

(40:29):
like your entree and it's morethan enough to you know, each
entree is two meals on its own,nice, more than enough to you
know.
Each, each entree is two mealson its own, nice.
Um, and then we went to um.
We were staying in gatlinburg,which gatlinburg is literally
copy paste estes park.
Like, if you've been to estespark, it's unreal.
Like you walk throughgatlinburg, you're like down to

(40:50):
the like tiny little weird swissmountain town cabin vibe of the
mall.
It's very surreal.
It was like it was like thesame firm built Gatlinburg and
Estes park.
It was very, it was verystrange.
I sent pictures to Hoffman,who's a police officer up in
Estes, and he was like I thinkyou're in Estes.

(41:13):
I'm like, yeah, no, dude, likeit's.
It's really weird.
But stayed there.
And then we went to this newtheme park or attraction.
It's new to me, right, I thinkit's been around since just
before COVID, but it's calledAnakista.
It's like this top of a smokymountain theme park where you

(41:34):
take a gondola up to it.
Of course, they don't have likereally skiing there at all.
Um, it's in february andthere's like no snow anywhere,
right, and the hills just aren'tthat big.
But you take a ski lift up and,um, you are at this really nice
kind of like view.
It's like it's like literallylike a theme park that's just

(41:56):
designed around good views, butthey have, um, quite a bit of
food and like kind of uh, somenice like drinks and bars and
stuff up there, and then theyhave like a, a tower.
You go up the stairs and lookaround.
You have this beautiful viewall around you of the smokies,
um, and then they have this likewobbly rope tree bridge thing

(42:17):
that you go through to get backto the like the ski lift if you
want to go back down, and it'spretty cool.
It's like it's probably like 30to 40 feet up in the air at
most, but it's a.
It's like bridges, rope bridgesgoing from tree to tree.
Oh wow, you know that wasreally fun.
Um, and then they have a reallydope light show at night.

(42:39):
That was pretty mesmerizing andvery entertaining.
They have like a total prettysweet, entertain kids for hours
like jungle gym area like, um,just like you know the coolest
things for kids to kind of jumparound and swing on super high
in the air, uh, mountain rollercoaster like that's like gravity

(43:01):
powered right, so like you getyour own individual cart, you're
just ripping around going mach5, uh, through the treetops and
then, uh, the last thing theyhave is like a zip line that you
can use the zip line to getback down to the bottom.
Oh, rather than taking the, thechairlift the zip line looked
pretty sweet sweet looked likeyou had a pretty good you know

(43:22):
distance on it, but, um, billy,jean's not.
You know the risk-taking typezip liner.
Yeah, and I'm not just gonna godown on my own like so, and I
think she would have gone if Ipressured her.
But we were also like, yeah,this is cool, but let's also go
like walk around town and stuff.
They have this thing therewhere there it's like a it's a
winery mead place and they it's.

(43:45):
It's surreal, I've never seenanything like it anywhere else.
When you go to these towns thatare really big on like brewing
and stuff, you go to one oftheir five companies like tap
rooms, and each tap room is,quote unquote, a different
company, all underneath the sameparent company.
But we went to one and they'relike for 10 bucks you get 10
samples here and you go to anyof the other places, you get 10

(44:08):
samples and if you do all five,you get a t-shirt at the end.
Oh nice, and the t-shirts aloneare like you know, they sell
them for like 30 bucks.
Yeah, I was like, uh, yeah, allright, so we paid 10 bucks for
each of us and, dude, you getlike easily probably like two
glasses of mead wine ormoonshine, oh wow, like just

(44:31):
about each stop and it is thebest wine I've ever had in my
life.
Like they had watermelon wine.
You know what it tasted likelike water it tastes exactly
like watermelon, not like ajolly rancher watermelon it
tasted like the best version ofwatermelon, but they like we're
like we don't use anything otherthan like watermelon, right,

(44:53):
like we just freaking fermentwatermelon, right.
That is unreal.
Uh, they had blueberry, thatwas.
They had like a blackberry one,um, and the mead.
The mead was really good.
The ciders were good, um, andthe moonshine was the best,
because the moonshine had enoughburn that it offset how sweet

(45:15):
the taste was on these likefruity flavors, right, and so
the moonshine was also.
You know, it's like fortified,so it's like freaking like 30
it's not real moonshine right,but it's not like it's also not
wine, right, um, but it wasreally good.
We bought two bottles and drankthem in the hotel room that was
awesome yeah, um went to alittle local brewery, the

(45:38):
gatlinburg brewery.
They were pretty good.
They had quite a few decent,award-winning beers and then, uh
, a ton of you know gift shopstuff walking around checking
out local coffee stuff, localfood, um, and they have this
place there in pigeon forge.
And pigeon forge is like youknow, uh, pigeonge is kind of
like best way to think of.
It is like the preamble toEstus, you know.

(46:02):
It's like it's a lot nicer thanlike Loveland outside of Estus.
It's probably like think oflike a bigger, golden and bolder
, less trashy, but like verytouristy and very affordable,
like there's a lot of coolthings to do, like dollywood and

(46:22):
all of dollywood's otherattractions, um, but it's like
the preamble, like you're goingdown this one road that will
lead into pigeon forge and it'svery exciting, um, but there's
also just a lot of other coolstuff like buy one pair of boots
, get two pair free.
Wow, it's tempting.
It's all based around families.
Families are what come here.

(46:44):
So dad buys his boots the mostexpensive ones Mom and kiddos'
boots are free.
And then there was a spot whereit was called Duncan's Jeans and
it was all of the overstock orregular jeans from wrangler,
carhartt, levi's, and they hadthem sized on the wall like in,
like the types where they weregoing.

(47:04):
And, dude, I bought like sixpairs of wranglers.
Oh nice, they were all fine.
The only thing was like thisthe size I would usually wear
was way too small, like it waslike it was like it was sized
small or listed as the wrongsize.
So then I just want to size upand everything fit like great,
even with concealed carry, nice.
And uh, all of them were like50 off.

(47:25):
So we got like close a littleover eight, not 800, a little
over 700 worth of jeans beforebilly jean, myself and a couple
jeans as gifts for people youknow, expensive jeans.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
And we paid like $390 .
Wow, and I buy jeans maybe likeonce every three years, four
years, yeah, and now I have likesix pairs of Carhartts to just.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Just load it up.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, I'm wearing some linen ones right now, linen
lined, oh wow, loose fit.
That was pretty sick, sick, uh.
Then we did the dolly parton um, stampede, stampede, which was
sold to me.
Now I didn't pay for it, mymother, it was my mother's gift
for my birthday, uh-huh, uh.
But I was informed it was acivil war reenactment, but it's

(48:11):
not, it's not a civil war in it.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I didn't text back Because I just like I don't know
where he is, but all right, andI've never been there.
But I was like I don't think,that's what.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I don't think Dolly Parton is big on like violence,
so they didn't shoot each otherat all.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
He texted me the Civil War reenactment, I was
like, and I was like, I thoughtthat was maybe another like, an
additional, like, an actual likewe're going down to see, all
like the dudes who, just likeyou know, I really want to do
that.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I really want to do that again.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Because, you know, like a true Civil War
reenactment, that's awesome.
I was like I wonder if hethinks, if he's going to the
Dollywood Stamp, and they toldhim that Well there's the North
and the South, and those arejust sides of the room.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
One side's the South, one side's the North and that's
the team you're on.
Yeah, but they don't shoot eachother.
They play more like stampedecompetition games.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Which side were you on?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I was on the North.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
The North did not.
People on the North did not getnearly as excited for being on
the north people on the southwere way more excited.
Now.
The north won the night.
We won, as you know, historywould tell.
But like so what is thestampede?
So you get divided out it's.
Are you like in an arena?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
it's kind of an arena , like a rodeo arena yeah and um
, you're sitting in these longlined tables, right?
You know, crack me open one ofthose so I can crush it before
Billie Jean gets here.
Thanks, brother.
But you're in this.
It's like a bench seat and youfile in from one side or the

(49:51):
other and they're divided inlike section numbers, right?
So we were in like B5 orwhatever, and it was great seats
.
It was like in the middle ofthe north side, perfect side,
view of everything, goodperspective, and there is a
single server for your wholelike bench of like could be like

(50:13):
I don't know, maybe 20 peopleand, uh, he just comes down the
line dishing out food and youget what you get you get what
you get.
Yeah, you get, but you get a lot.
Yeah, you get, like easily thebest it was a cream of mushroom
soup.
I was told I hate mushrooms.
All right, holy shit bro.
I was having an out-of-bodyexperience with this cream

(50:33):
mushroom soup and billy jean'sthe same way, like we were both.
Like this is unreal.
They don't give you a spoonbecause they know you're just
going to drink it out of thebowl and I did that?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
These Colorado kids eating the food of the South?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I was sitting next to this couple from Kentucky and
they were really friendly andI'm like no spoons and he's like
that's why they got a handle onthe bulb.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
And I was like oh, all right bro.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
But dude, it was so good, it was so good.
And then there was, I think, aroll as well.
Yeah, you get this soup and aroll and then they come out and
they just freaking drop yourfull small chicken on your plate
, like it's a complete chickenper plate, and then they put,

(51:23):
like uh, pulled pork down aswell and mashed taters and corn
on the cob and uh, man it was.
It was so much was coming outso fast that I couldn't keep
track of it and I was justtrying to destroy this chicken.
It was easily the best chickenI've had in a long time.
Like the seasoning was unreal.
Billie Jean, though, we foundout, was allergic to horses,

(51:47):
which we didn't know beforehand,and so, like post-soup, she
started like having rattlingbreath.
Oh, no, like literally like, andI was like okay, are you no?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Like, like, literally , like I was like okay are you
all right?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
And she's like yeah, I'm fine, I just have a hard
time breathing.
She was actually like panickinginternally, and I knew she was
panicking, but I knew she wastrying to keep it together, and
so I just kept on checking inwith her, like hey, do you are
like, do we need can go?
I kept telling her like it'sokay, it's, it's, I'm not mad, I

(52:18):
won't be upset, you're, youknow, your health is a priority.
And she kept to be like no, no,we're good, I'm like all right,
she wants to be tough.
I'm gonna let her be tough.
As soon as the show was over,though, we went and like she was
having like a momentary, likewow, I really cannot breathe, oh
my gosh, uh.
So we did some benadryl andthen we went back and then we
had more cider BenadrylMoonshine yeah, Benadryl
Moonshine at the hotel and itfixed her right up.

(52:40):
But we didn't know she wasallergic to horses before that
Because I guess everywhere elseshe'd been around horses.
It was like very open outdoor.
Maybe it's the bison Because,bro, they fucking opening act,
they allow like four bison justrunning around.
These bison are running around.
You can tell these bison areall amped up.
And I'm like I was so shockedbecause I've never seen bison

(53:03):
move like that.
I've only ever seen like bisonin colorado just chilling,
eating grass, the way thesebison will run around and
herding together and puttingtheir horns down forward.
They did that in like some huge, like easily 10 foot span texas
longhorns oh man, and I sawthose.
I'm like those are people incostumes.

(53:23):
There's no freaking way.
I'm seeing with my own eyesbison losing their marbles,
getting chased around withhorsies uh, but no sick and uh.
This one girl came out easilythe most like hottest cowboy
chick I've ever seen in my life,like she's in like, you know,

(53:45):
like the red spandex outfit.
But the reason she's so hot wasbecause of her athletic ability
oh yeah she.
She came in riding her feetplanted on the backs of two
horses, standing up, just ridingaround the whole time never sat
down, just like rollerbladingon horses and then she jumped

(54:08):
through a loop of fire withthese horses and I just was like
it was crazy because somepeople were just sitting next to
me eating food.
Couldn't be bothered and I'mlike standing up waving my hat
around like oh yeah, let'sfucking go.
I'm just losing my mind, dude.
I was like, how are you people?

(54:29):
So she's running around onehand on the reins waving her arm
in the air like cheer for her.
This is clearly the.
It was like they're like she'sfrom saginaw michigan, which I
used to live in, saginawmichigan, and they're like she's
like avoiding death everysecond.
I'm like you guys know what thisis, how insane this is.
The horses were also like verywell trained, billy jean pointed

(54:50):
out.
Billy jean was like look howsteady their backs are.
Like they're very well trainedwith their running and trotting
to keep their backs as level aspossible, but still, yeah it was
unreal.
I was like I was like you know,the only time I've ever seen
this Abraham Lincoln vampireslayer and it was CGI yeah, I

(55:11):
can't.
I like I was, I could notprocess what I was seeing with
my eyes.
There's a couple otherperformative acts that are
really cool.
Like they do, like this blacklight one that is definitely for
, like, I think, kind of kiddosand young ladies, little girls,
where it's like butterflies andeveryone's like got black, like
butterfly and giant flower petalcostumes.

(55:32):
That was really sweet.
And then there's like quite afew just like patriotic ones of
just like, honestly, peoplebeing pioneers and working
together to go across americaand all that stuff.
There's no violence, there's noconflict, until the end when
it's like, all right, northversus south.

(55:53):
Let's do some rodeo relays, andthat was pretty cool too.
They did like, uh, they did auh little little piggy race
relay race.
They did chicken chases wherekids from the audience came out
and chased chickens.
Oh yeah, they did quite a fewwhere they actually pulled
audience members out.
They did like, uh, toilet seathorseshoes.

(56:13):
That was awesome, that wasfunny.
And then they did a waterbucket relay with a bunch of
audience members.
That was pretty funny becausethe South's bucket straight up
had bullet holes in it Ours Idon't think did, but it was like
as soon as the dude picked upwater out of the big barrel,
just leaking out the bottle.

(56:34):
It was spilling everywhere.
I'm like oh, oh, wow, they haveno chance, it's totally rigged.
So stuff like that was reallyfun.
Um, and the food was deliciousand excellent.
I drank two beers and two likemoonshine cocktails of dolly
partins and I was I was a happycamper.

(56:54):
That's awesome and they give itto you in a boot.
It's not a real boot, it's likea baby's boot, but it's still
boot yeah, you get to drink outof it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's pretty sweet.
No, I love it because thethings I I haven't been there.
I want to go there someday, uh,but like live performance is
kind of like a fleeting thing.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
And like that sort of like, and this is like arena
performance, it's like it's justcool Live animals, people,
lights, light shows, you know?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
everyone there wanted to be there.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Like not.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
I'm not talking about audience members, the, the the
performers, the performers andthe servers.
Like Billie Jean, looked it upand turns out they make $30 an
hour base, plus whatever tipsyou give them, and the tips go
straight to their Venmo.
So like they have their Venmostuff up everywhere for you to
Venmo them a tip, so that waythey don't have to worry about

(57:49):
waiting for whatever.
And then I was trying to lookup what performers get paid, but
I couldn't find it.
But they get paid really well,Like very easily.
And then I was trying to lookup what performers get paid, but
I couldn't find it.
But they get paid really well,Like very easily.
Like dude, that guy making $30an hour plus tips, and he does
it, you know, Friday nights,Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Sunday and then, has the rest ofthe week off to do whatever

(58:16):
other second job he wants.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
That's real good living and pigeon forged.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Shout out to old Do to dolly parton.
Dude, she's a saint.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
You know, like, uh, dolly parton's a saint and I
think she's a capitalist.
I like it.
I like it too, you know, here'sthe thing, bro.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Before, before I had been to pigeon forge, I was like
I get it, she's a southernbelle with a big rack, like who
doesn't love her right, and sheseems nice and has no
controversies about her.
Uh, then you find out sheliterally like saved the state
of tennessee during, like minesbeing shut down and pretty much

(58:48):
was like we're gonna giveeveryone a job in the state of
tennessee.
And you're like, oh so she isliterally a saint, like yeah,
she it's unreal.
It is pretty crazy, though.
As you're leaving, it felt verylike I don't know how I was
describing it felt very culty,but like you're leaving and
exiting the stadium to go to thegift shop and there's just a

(59:12):
giant portrait of her with likeflowers just right above the
stairwell.
So you have to just see her inflowers.
I was like feels weird.
But I get it.
Dude, people love her becauseshe is a saint and she did a lot
for that state and those people, so I like her a lot now.
That's awesome.
I'm a big fan of Dolly.
That's awesome.

(59:33):
Also she's a great singer.
She's legit, she's a greatsinger.
Hey, yeah, she like she's legit.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
She's not just uh, yeah, yeah, she's got, she's the
real deal.
And I and I wonder about if youfeel the same way like watching
, all going to that show,watching it happen.
Did you feel excited about likeI want to come back here again,
but with kids?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
yeah, no, dude.
Here's the thing.
Billy gene and I can we bothsaid this, but we could not stop
thinking the whole time abouthow perfect gatlinburg and
pigeon forge would be for youknow, pat and pat's family.
Like the whole time we werethere we were just like dude,
this would be the best thing tobring kids to, especially

(01:00:17):
because you can get a reallygreat like airbnb cottage thing
with separate rooms and it'slike not stupid expensive like
it would be to do that in anyother mountain town in colorado
and everything there is likeoriented around the family, like
every attraction or thing thatyou go to.

(01:00:38):
Every store is oriented aroundlike keep the kids entertained,
dude.
And here's how you know likethey got it down right.
There are cheap dollar storelike family dollar toys in every
single place.
Oh yeah, and it's like everyoneknows your kid doesn't need
something from pigeon forge.

(01:00:59):
What your kid needs is justanother cap gun to keep them
occupied at the you know outsideof the hotel room and horsing
around until you could get tothe next fun event together as a
family.
Yeah, and like they got it.
And also there's this placecalled three bears.
They got it nailed down.
They're there's this placecalled Three Bears.
They got it nailed down.
They're famous.
They literally got three bearsout back.

(01:01:20):
Costs like three bucks to seethem for kids.
Real live bears, real livebears, dang.
You just go upstairs they'relike bears out back three bucks
and there's real live bears outback for you to show the kids.
And then you come back in andguess where?
You come back into the toys.
Yeah, like the whole place is agift shop the whole place is a
souvenir shop but the toys areright there next to the bears.

(01:01:42):
Oh yeah and uh.
It's awesome, man, I loved itand like the whole time, I was
like we got to come back.
I not only do.
I want to go back for billyjean's birthday but.
I do want to go back with mykids because it is one, a
beautiful, a beautiful place,but two, it is so family
friendly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, and in fact those sorts of things are going
away, yeah, like they arefleeting, they are, you know,
like even in the same way that,let's say, even Estes Park is
different now than it was 20years ago.
Oh for sure, Just like the youknow, especially like the
family-focused touristy stuffand I get it Like I always think

(01:02:19):
of this scene from remember, aGoofy movie.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
And they go like Goofy takes Max to see the oh
that like hillbilly hick showwith the animatronic.
What is it?
I know you're talking about,yeah, uh, what's that animal
called possum, animatronicpossum, you know, and it's like

(01:02:46):
it's weird and max doesn't likeit.
You know, and you can tell, evenin that movie it came out a
long time ago this kind offleeting thing of like he's just
trying to enjoy a moment withhis boy, yeah, before his boy
goes to college exactly and likehow, uh same, with, like the
movie cars where, like, thattown has just died, yeah, it
used to be like the spot to goto, like that, that, like you

(01:03:07):
know, 1960s, 70s america, wherepeople weren't getting on planes
to go to Italy, they're gettingin their cars and their
Volkswagens and taking thefamily to the Rockies and to the
Smokies and you know, uproot 66and like seeing all these
things and you're going to gosee the world's biggest ball of
yarn and then go see whateverthis dinner show you know, like

(01:03:31):
that sort of thing, um, it'sfleeting and going away.
And then then there's like thelike that sort of thing it's
fleeting and going away, andthen the Dollywood Pigeon Forge
stuff is like it's a holdout andso I want to take my kids.
I want my kids to have thatexperience and there are cheesy
aspects to it, whatever, butalso like it's done well too,
it's like I want to take my kidhere to see this.

(01:03:52):
It can be a special thing forthem, a special family memory,
family-focused, focused thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
And so the uh there and there are still things like
that that you can take yourfamily to, but the pigeon forge,
dollywood, gatlinburg are, isstill like a holding true to
that whole thing it is and likeyou see it in, like the pricing
of everything, like I never sawanything that felt like they
were gouging me for like hey, ifyou want to get here and you

(01:04:19):
brought your kids all this way,you got to cough it up yeah,
bears 30 a pop, yeah, no bro,there's, don't even run.
There's stuff that is like wegot to.
They took our picturessomewhere.
Oh, they took our picture atthe great stampede.
And then they have anindividual person come up to you
with the picture book they likefind you in the crowd and they
will sell it to you for $60.
Yeah, and they're like $60 forthis and like the booklet and

(01:04:40):
I'm like it's a great picture,but no, but at the same time,
you see, like the cost forkiddos for that event is like
$20.
Right Versus $60 per parent.
You see, the tickets for kidsto all the attractions are
deeply discounted.
There's super friendly kidmeals everywhere and even the

(01:05:03):
bars and live event stuff isvery kid-friendly and
appropriate to bring around.
And I'm just thinking.
Sometimes it's expensive forBillie Jean and I to go to Estes
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I can't imagine what it's like to try to take your
kids For a bad buffalo burger ToEstes for a day.
You know what I mean.
And like you're right, likeit's just like it's one of those
places where, like you want togo somewhere and you want them
to be like hey man, thanks forbringing your kids, your kids
are cheaper.
Like we're not gonna milk youfor everything you got.

(01:05:39):
Yeah, to just bring your kiddosalong here, like we're happy
they're here.
And that's just not the truthwith most places nowadays.
Most places are like youbrought your kids dope 60 bucks
same price, as you, and it'slike it's just brutal, uh.
and then places like that alsowonder why things are dying and
they blame it on anything butgreed.
But anyways, all that said, itwas a blast.

(01:06:01):
I freaking love it.
We met so many great people.
I made a lot of good friends.
As Billie Jean says, I justmake friends with anyone who's
willing to talk and listen.
One of the sickest things wasdude.
I flew back when we were flyingback.
Frontier Billie Jean and I werein.
Different parts of the sickestthings was dude.
I flew back when we were flyingback, you know, Frontier Billie
Jean were in and I were in likedifferent parts of the plane.
But I sat down and there's thisblack dude against the window

(01:06:26):
coming from.
He's from Los Angeles and hewas connecting back to Los
Angeles, flying back fromTennessee, and then there was
this you know middleaged whitelady in between us and she was
talking to him quite a bit aboutstuff.
And then I kind of waslistening to Namahead and
talking to her and it was.

(01:06:46):
I can't remember entirely whatit started on, but then it got
kind of political and we'retalking about Trump and the new
stuff and people appointed andshe was super based.
She was super duper based andhad lived here in Colorado in
Grand County and Summit Countyand she lived in Grand Junction

(01:07:08):
and Granby and I was like, hey,I just want to know your
thoughts, like thoughts on goodold Heemeyer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
She's like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
I think he did everything right and armed
nobody.
And he had every right to dowhat he did and I'm like damn
For those of you who don't know,look up Marvin Heemeyer.
Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Marv.
But anyways, I saw that I waslike this chick's based.
As hell Turns out she's likeher and her husband are super
strong believers.
They're pastor kids, theysupport a collegiate mission guy
.
She knew what the NAVS was andI had done the NAVS in college
and all that and we just weretalking about all that stuff in

(01:07:48):
faith and we talked aboutpolitics and all that.
But there was things I don'tthink we quite disagreed on.
But there was a lot of thingswhere I was like ooh, I just
don't know about that, I don'tknow enough about that subject
or whatever.
She was really gentle andpatient to not try to be wacky
and force me to believe things.
Right, you know, some mountainpeople are freaking wacky.

(01:08:10):
But then we were talking aboutfaith when I started talking to
her about some sermons and stuffand then like biblical

(01:08:30):
masculinity and you know how, atour church there had actually
been guys who had been offendedby some of the biblical
masculinity callings and hadleft our church at points and
stuff or were challenged by youknow some of the things our
pastor preaches on, as you knowwhat.
What is the church supposed tolook like nowadays?
And she was just talking abouthow she has a pastor living in
her house now with her and herhusband.
He's just so burnt out of people, like just leaving the church
because they can't seem to, theycan't seem to have a

(01:08:53):
conversation to just talk about,be like hey, I'm just not sure
I agree with you on that pastor.
Could you, could you sit downand explain it to me?
Xyz, you know, run throughthese things and instead people
would just rather be like oh, Idon't believe in jesus anymore
because the pastor sayssomething I disagree with.
It's like okay, I don't know ifyou ever believed in the first
place, but anyways, we'retalking about that.
The black guy decides he's donelistening to his music and

(01:09:16):
stuff and he's like hmm, and hestarts nodding his head.
I'm like, oh wait a second, likedid we just get a whole row of
believers here?
Are we about to have church,bro?
It turns out he just startedthrowing out some freaking fire
and he's like, yeah, I entirelyagree, and I really think the
biggest thing Christiancommunity, like the Christian

(01:09:37):
church, is struggling with rightnow, is like true community and
how communities are not goingto be perfect and that you need,
as another believer, to bearone another.
I'm like my brother, dude, youjust literally like took words
right off the page of DietrichBonhoeffer's book Life Together.
So then I'm going into like myfavorite content, which is Life

(01:10:02):
Together from DietrichBonhoeffer and bro, we just had
fricking church.
Baby, it was a Sunday when weflew back, but it was awesome,
dude.
It was like we were just livingit up, talking about you know
just what it means to truly bearone another as believers.
What it you know, uh, howgossip and uh, withholding
forgiveness in your heart islike truly poison to a
fellowship yeah.
You know it will kill a churchbody, um, and just like going

(01:10:24):
through and it was just awesomeCause we're just talking and
like everyone's, like all threewas like yes, yes, and it was.
It was great, dude.
And I could tell there's peopleears perking up around us.
No one ever like chimed in, noone ever said shut up you
wackies or whatever.
But I could tell there waspeople ears perking up around us
.
No one ever like chimed in, noone ever said shut up you
wackies or whatever.
But I could tell everyone waskind of like peeking their heads
and turning.
I could see a couple of headsnodding.
I could see a couple ofconfused faces, expressions, but

(01:10:46):
it just felt good man.
Oh yeah, kason, hope you're well, brother, praying for you and
your family out in LA.
They live in like the heart ofLA and saw a lot of people lose
their homes and stuff, oh yeah.
And then Cammie is the ladythat I met, but she's a snowbird
now and lives in like Havasuduring the winter in their house

(01:11:08):
down there.
So I don't really think youneed prayer.
You're living it up in LakeHavasu, just kidding.
I hope you guys are having afun time, but anyways, it was.
It was a good trip, man, it wasa blast, it was super fun
that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yeah, that's not like a good trip.
The.
It's fun to go go on this tripbecause it was a surprise.
You didn't know.
I mean you knew because you hadyour secret squirrels out there
.
Yeah, locating, but at the sametime, like it was fun to be
surprised a big 30th, have a,have a trip planned, go out,

(01:11:46):
it's a fun surprise.
Uh, get some time away, superwholesome, like and just awesome
good time and capping it offwith a good plane ride back.
That like.
You know what I love aboutinteractions like that is how
like faith strengthening theyare and hope giving they are.

(01:12:08):
You know, it's just like.
It's like oh yeah, I'm not theonly one and not even close, not
the only one.
Yeah, it was super it was super.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
uh, it really poured into my cup.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
It was very encouraging.
Um, it was just like it wasjust cool to see two people,
cause it's one thing to meetanother person who says they're
a Christian, but, dude, when youmeet people who are like they
can get into the meat with itand be honest, and not they can
get into the meat with it and behonest, and not they can talk
about the problems in the churchwithout it being like gossiping

(01:12:41):
or slander.
Oh, dude, it was dope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
It was so good, yeah, or without it turning into like
a weird like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Don't Christians suck ?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it wasn't that at all yeah or like, or even
like.
Even if they are, it's just notbeing able to agree, or
whatever.
Yeah, no, this is like we'realigned in this and it's a
special thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Yeah, no, it was lovely, but anyways, I think
that's kind of all I reallywanted to run over.
This is a short episode, but Ijust really want to give you
your birthday gift, because yourbirthday is next month anyways.
Yeah, it's coming up.
Now we got these sick knives.

(01:13:24):
Oh yeah, I'll be carrying mine.
I got the belt for it.
You know I'm gonna.
Here's the thing.
I gotta figure outconfiguration.
Where does it go on the belt?
Where's the best place for itto go for the the hook and hand
grab?
And it's not in the way,because I carry two backup mags
in addition to the pistol, andso it's like I think it's the,
because, if the, if the maincarries on the pp, yeah, this is

(01:13:45):
on three o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
You think that's three o'clock I'm if mean, but
I'm not going for that with mydominant right so for you it's
on three o'clock three, but foryou it's, you know, you're mine
nine you know it's the night,it's like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah, back nine I was kind of thinking.
I was thinking nine to eightbecause I'm like, oh, let me
grab my wallet that hand, reacharound to the back and then come
back with it anyways, yeah, Ilike it yeah, I'm gonna go home
and play with it in the mirror.
We just like to we just like tolarp man.
I hope we never have to use anyof these tools.

(01:14:21):
Yeah, dude, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
We just role play the whole time you're larping this
thing tonight.
Yeah, for sure yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Speaking of which, uh , the cqb video should be coming
out soon, as soon as mick hereis finished with the video edit.
It's a lot of work because I'vebeen adding muzzle flashes and
blood effects, so it's an unrealamount of work yeah, that's a
lot.
It's like editing a movie, yeahit's like probably, I would

(01:14:49):
wager close to four hours offootage recorded, oh god, and
it's not that the event was overfour hours it's just like that.
It's that many like total andvideo footage I've going been
going through and editing downand then after that you get down
to like you know, your your 10minute cut and you're like all

(01:15:09):
right, gotta cut it down more,unless this is gonna be an
explanation video.
So I'm cutting it down to likejust the freaking action, music
montage, sick video.
And then I'm having everythingelse, just like playing with
breakdown and uh, that can be,like you know, put up in our
episode here so people can see,like listen to us breaking down
the cqb stuff while also seeingfootage of it.

(01:15:31):
But the next event's happeningsoon and this time it's gonna be
a night event.
Well it's.
It's going to kind of night.
We're going to start in theafternoon.
Yeah, we're going to start inthe afternoon, but because it's
winter and sunset's so early,we'll get to use Nod's.
And I don't own Nod's, but I doown a flashlight.
And if there's anything I lovedoing, it's ruining people,

(01:15:55):
enjoying expensive stuff.
Yeah, and I want the guys tocome in with nods and us to be
op for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
With flashlights and beat them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Yeah, yeah, just like shine flashlights in their
freaking nods and then shootthem.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
I'm bringing my mag light from 2001.
I'm going to win.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Hell yeah, bro, that's so sick.
Mag light duct taped to theOrbeez 14.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
D batteries.
Yeah, that's amazing, yourfreaking $14,000 freaking quad
nods.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I don't think there's a gun in the world that feels
as good as reloading as it does.
To put fresh batteries in aMaglite Like fresh batteries in
a Maglite is an unreal vibe.
It's beefy Just makes such asolid sound like you're like oh
we got power for the next twohours.
This flashlight's gonna bebright.

(01:16:45):
It's like to this day, stilllike one of the dimmest things
in like your home.
It's so horrible it's so funnyI should night stick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I actually maybe I will bring my own mag light,
just so we can compare like whata two and a half foot long mag
light looks like compared to atwo inch long.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Freaking you know, surefire, oh my gosh, I am,
though I'm pretty stoked forthat.
Uh, just because there's a lotof guys I know who have been
practicing with their nods, butI haven't ever done any like
very tight quarter stuff, liketheir practice is like driving a
car with nods on setting up atent uh, hiking walking flat
range well, a lot of themactually don't just do flat

(01:17:27):
range, a lot of them go for likereal night hikes right or like
flat range shooting oh, as faras actual actual, like like
firearms, modulation and I feellike should I get the smoke
machine out for that?
Oh, dude, should I haze out theroom?
Smoke it up, dude, that waythey know what it's like to have
nods on and be like shit Ican't see anything.
I can't see anything.
I got to take the nods off.

(01:17:47):
I will say this If we bring thesmoke machine, I'm sure some
dude's bringing this I know twoguys with thermals.
I bet they'll bring them andattach them to their helmets so
that way they can have the syncup between nods and thermals.
And that would be sick foreveryone to see.
See how you can't see the smokethrough the smoke.
Now see, with thermal you cansee the three dudes on the other

(01:18:09):
side of the smoke.
That'd be dope, that's cool.
Anyways, we're doing that, sowe'll have a whole nother
advanced breakdown of CQB.
It'll be cooler footage becauseit'll be green.
Yeah, we're going to have toget a green camera.
I have a night vision, not a cam, but I have a night vision
monocular that's digital.
Oh yeah, that I'm sure we couldjury rig up Tape to an iPhone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Yeah, something like that.
I like it.
Yeah, that's awesome Cool, ohman.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
All right.
Well, hey, thanks for joiningagain.
Ken, thanks for wishing me ahappy birthday, because I know
you're doing it.
I can hear you.
It's well past my birthday bythe time you're hearing this,
but thanks for saying it anyways, it's the thought that counts.
I hope you are encouraged bythis.
I I hope you are encouraged bythis.
I hope you enjoy our episodes.

(01:18:59):
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Check out our links to ourstores and our products.
Pat, I think this last year wemade a whole like $100 off of
Amazon nice yeah, so likesomeone is buying.
You know our liquid death anddude wipes, but anyways, check
that stuff out.
Yeah, you know our liquid deathand dude wipes, yeah, but
anyways, check that stuff outand check out Primary Arms.

(01:19:22):
The link's right there.
If you're going to buy gunstuff, get it on discount and
let us get a kickback forreferring you to Primary Arms.
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Anyways, all I said.
Thanks for listening, kid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Pat Till next time.
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