The Mick & Pat Show - What is Gaza's Future? - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was walking the dog .
Actually, before we get intothat, ken, welcome to the
podcast, welcome to the Mick andPat show.
I'm Mick and I'm Pat.
There we go.
You got to introduce yourself,but thanks for joining us again
another week.
I was very flattered.
Someone in our little traininggroup, you know, uh, they

(00:26):
reached out to me.
They didn't reach out to mejust in the group and as a whole
they're like I'm catching up.
I'm going through the backloglearning the lore.
oh really, I was like wow, andthey're like I'm on this episode
I was like it's a good episode,uh.
And then, with everything,there's been a lot of talks
about Israel-Palestine stufflately in a lot of our circles,

(00:47):
just wondering, like, whatTrump's going to do and like
there's, you know, hamas issaying Israel's got to abide by
the ceasefire before we releaseour hostages.
Trump, of course, said thething about, you know, us
intervention in Gaza, and I'mnot going to put words in his
mouth because I've seen mixedthings.
I haven't seen him saying the U?

(01:07):
S is going to annex Gaza andown Gaza.
I haven't seen that quote.
I've heard people saying that'swhat he said.
Everything I've seen was liketalking about, like essentially
going in, providing aid, relief,rebuilding buildings, and then
also kind of policing gaza tokeep hamas from doing something

(01:27):
to destabilize the ceasefire andthey are working to relocate a
lot of people, like there is alot of yeah, no relocation and,
like the pressure of, like,egypt and lebanon need to accept
.
Uh, what is it?
Ethnically cleanse?
Is the word they're usingreally, yeah, that's no, that's
the word that you use when youare of an ethnicity and your
nation has been dissolved andthat's what they're.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Isn't that weird?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
ethnically cleansed sounds like such a awful term
for genocide, but technicallyit's a.
I guess it's like theappropriate term for if you are
from somewhere that no longerexists and you need to immigrate
to a new nation.
Um, which is ironic becausethat's also the language they
used for all of the originaljews that were migrated, like

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moved into israel back in the40s.
Right that they were ethnicallycleansed from europe because
they had to, like their originalhomes and nations were gone, so
they had to become a new peopleand became israel again, which
is just, I don't know.
Maybe we bleep out that becauseI think a lot of youtube is
gonna just think or anti-semitic, or say it say that

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word right, but that's theproper term.
Yeah, which I was reallysurprised because that's the
term in a lot of governmentdocuments too right now that are
going out of the dod to likesaying like hey, like ethnically
cleansed migrants, you have toaccept this many.
Or, like you know, we wantlebanon to accept this many.
You know stuff like that, but Idon't know you're.

(02:53):
You're, of course, our expertwith the people on the ground.
Do you know?
Is trump saying stuff of likeowning Gaza?
Or I know there is the talkabout rebuilding buildings and
damaging infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think that and I haven't been following it that
closely so I haven't dug into alot of extra stuff besides
what's kind of been comingthrough the feeds and stuff.
It's pretty, I mean it's whatTrump is proposing Is Something

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that will, I mean it'll reallymean that Gaza's never the same
again.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Now Help me understand this.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Break it down for the layman Meaning In you know,
over the last, you know, even 20years, there's been flare ups
between Gaza and Israel and wars, but Palestinians in Gaza have
maintained their sovereignty isnot really the right word for it

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but they, like, they'vemaintained their, their, they've
lived, they've continued tolive there, they've had their
own culture there.
That is where they considertheir homeland to be, as they've
had.
You know, they've been therefor generations, generations
upon generations.
At this point, and so this is anew and different precedent for

(04:23):
you know, really relocatingthis many people out again, and
it's not the first time thistype of thing has happened in
israel to palestinians, but itis, um, in gaza specifically
right now, it's going to be, uh,I mean, yeah, we're talking
like millions of people, likegetting put somewhere else and

(04:43):
so displaced, yeah, and if we'retalking the numbers and the
millions similar to like how wea lot of people talked about,
you know, in america, we said,we've said, over the last four
years, we've had millions of youknow, undocumented people 20
million right for the last four.
a lot of people, um, and thennow let's take this like on a,

(05:05):
on how much tinier these likecountries are, like land, even
just land mass and capabilitywise, that are being asked to
take on millions of people.
It's like, um, that I mean Idon't even know what the
population of jordan is.
Uh, let's see a little bit forpopulation jordan.
But I know jordan's been askedto take, I think, two million
I'm I'm not sure the exactnumbers.

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I need to look at it, but Ididn't know.
While I was looking at it theywere using the word millions and
it was like, okay, that is ahuge undertaking and that means
these people don't get to be intheir homeland anymore.
So, jordan population 11.3million in Jordan.

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So, you know, bringing on evenyou know, 1 million, that's a
pretty big swing on yourpopulation and I need to double
check how many people areactually being asked to go there
in case I'm just completely offbase.
Um, but it's just, uh, that'sthat's even a bigger deal than

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16 million coming into America.
You know, like for that manypeople to come into this small
portion of proportionally thissmall the population is, small
landmass, um, um.
and so Trump's words have beenpretty, uh, yeah, upsetting to a
lot of people because it iskind of like, you know, the same
way he's talked about it's thesame.

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It's kind of the same likeflippancy as talking about
making canada the next state ortaking over greenland, like as
if it's up to one person and oneperson alone him.
And that's like you know, Ithink that's the piece too, that
, like that his attitude in someof those ways is what really

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rubs people the wrong way, whereit's like he just comes out and
says something like that and asif it's just he's going to
decide if he's going to do it ornot, yeah, and that's going to
be, um, the way it is, you know,like, like, freaking, like
pharaoh, like shall it bewritten?
So shall it be done?
You know?
yeah, I mean, it definitelykeeps people guessing, I think

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and so yeah, well, I was curiouswhat if you had um was there.
You were saying that some ofthe guys in the group have been
talking about thePalestinian-Israeli issues.
Was that in relation to any oflike our like, to our podcast
about that, or was that alsojust in general?
They're talking about it andyou're wondering what, what
they're talking about it, andthen there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I will say this there was a lot of misconceptions
about the situation, for sure,so I pointed them to our two
israel, palestine episodes toget some like context and just
stuff like that.
But, um, yeah, it is interesting, you know, because it correct

(08:00):
me if I'm wrong right here,because I know the Palestinian
claim is this is our land, thisis our home and you're occupying
it, right, but isn't ithistorically pretty much known
throughout, you know, not onlylike biblical history, but also

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like archaeological history, aswell as like history using like
quran and other references oflike, like geographical history,
like really the, the jews,israelites were really there in
that region well beforequote-unquote palestinians right
?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I?
Well, in some ways, yes, but inlots of many other ways, no,
and and that's why it's so messy, which would be the even like
the word, like now.
This title was adopted later byRomans, but, like the
Philistines were there beforethe Israelites, they were, yeah,
canaanites, amorites, right.
And so there was people therebefore they came and took it.

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And so there was people therebefore they came and took it,
and then Israel lived there fornot that long on the time scale,
you know, where historians saythat, like Jericho, some
historians say that Jericho wasa 10,000 year old city, which is
, you know, pretty crazy, like,and so if we're talking about

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those types of numbers and thosetypes of people, groups there,
and then Israel, israelites comein and get established after
leaving Egypt, you know, andthen the they, even while, even
while Israel had control overthe land, they still fought over
it, like the whole time theywere there.
Their own nation split into,you know, control over the land.

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They still fought over it, likethe whole time they were there.
Their own nation split into.
You know, judah in the NorthIsrael in the.
South.
And then they had um, and thenby the time, like Jesus comes
around 2000 years ago, they werealready an occupied state.
They'd already been taken overby Rome at that point, or being
occupied by Rome, um, and thenshortly after that, 70 years
later, you know, they'rebasically the diaspora happens.

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Jews head north and kind ofhead everywhere out of there and
really kind of leave that areafor the next 2000 years.
And even during that 2000 yearsthere were Jews there who
maintained in that area.
But then we have the Crusadespop up, we have Christians and

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Muslims fighting over the landfor you know, three Crusades
worth of time.
And then fast forward anotherthousand years and we have World
War II, zionism movement justbefore that ramps up.
And then you have, you know,now, like you were saying, these

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people and now, after World WarII, we need a place to
establish them in Israel, andthe Jews had already, zionist
movement, had already beenmoving towards establishing, had
already been moving towardsestablishing the reestablishing
their claim to the land for thehistorical land of Israel,
before world war two.
But that really, like, gavethat movement, you know, uh, jet

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fuel to make it happen withhaving support from many nations
.
And so, yes, um, the Jews werethere before other people, but
then other people were therebefore them and the hard.
The hard part is if you reallytake the amount and this it's
hard because this is gonna makeme sound anti-semitic to a lot
of people, right, like, like soI'm kind of, but I'm kind of

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given.
What I'm doing here is I'mtrying to give context and our
audience, who would probablymore typically be just like,
wholeheartedly like, pro-israel,without even any knowledge
behind it, I'm trying to give,like the here's, what's going on
here, you know, because thereare legitimate claims to Israel

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having this place too, claims toIsrael having this place too,
um, but at the same time, thethe amount of time that they
occupied that land, just in thegrand scale of things, wasn't
that long um to leave and thencome back, and so it's uh, um,
it's just messy.
But now, in the biggest part now, I think for me is the fact
that now Israel has beenestablished for about two

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generations, where the peoplethere two to three generations
of people there Now it's likethose people that's their home
too, and like this is where theyare, and so there's plenty of
room there and plenty ofresources there for all these
people to live together.
But when two different groupsof people are like, excuse me,

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really driven by a needing toown a very specific rock, yeah,
which is literally like aboulder that's inside of the
temple mount or the dome of therock, now Like it's hard for
people to get along when theygot to have a religion on that

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spot, so they're, um, you're notjust going to easily have, you
know, a bunch of people thatcoexist subaru bumper sticker
rocking around there when theyhave like the steep stuff.
And so, yeah, I think is, atthis point in time, israel has
legitimate claims, bothhistorically as well as now, I

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mean coming in and establishingthemselves.
Now they have claims and, inthe same way, gazans and
Palestinians have a historicalclaim and a right to the place,
and then you have groups likeextremist groups like Hamas, and
then you have groups likeextremist groups like Hamas.
There's some extremist groupson the Israel side of things as

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well that just don't allow forthem to Right and even like
that's more, like yeah, likethat's the more government
agency stuff, and then there'sjust like there are, like
there's extreme, like there'sextreme rabbinic and Judaic,
like sects and cults yeah, and Iwas talking about that With a

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couple of them too, and peoplewho've come in, and Israel,
while small, is similar toAmerica In that you have all
sorts of different Groups ofpeople.
You've got your your quoteunquote right wing gun toters
Over to your left wing.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Blue hares.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
And you have all the people in between.
You have people living inkibbutz trying to be just like a
peaceful monk, you got peoplewho are politically motivated,
people religiously motivated,and so, um, israel itself has a
unique culture.
And then also the.
For the gazans specifically,the hard way forward that I'm
seeing, which is difficult withthe, the decisions Trump is

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making would be around the way.
What's the way forward nowMeaning prior to October 7th
2023,?
I would you know the thingsthat Trump was saying?
I would be like absolutely not.

(15:06):
These people have a right tothis, this part, this little
chunk of ground where they'vereally been relegated to and,
and you know, occupied within um, even though they routinely
stir up BS, for you know theirneighbors, um, but now, um, the
hard thing now is finding a wayforward.

(15:27):
After the amount of war thatjust happened in Gaza in a very
small area.
I mean, like I'd say from onewhat I do, but I do believe Gaza
has been just about leveled atthis point, and that's because
the pictures I've seen from bothsides, yeah, and so it's like,
well, what now?
You can't put millions ofpeople back in there leveled at
this point, and that's becausethe pictures I've seen from both
sides, yeah, and so it's likewell, what now?
You can't put millions ofpeople back in there.

(15:49):
Um, you know what's the?
What's the way, what's theright way forward?
Now, I don't know what theanswer is exactly, but it it's a
hard, it's gonna.
It falls into kind of the samepredicament that we have with

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the Israel Palestine issue ingeneral, which is, um, okay, who
should get to live here and whoshould have to repay?
Who should have to pay torebuild it?
All these things.
Um, and then you know, is itjust going to be?
Is?
Is Trump's plan, like I'veheard people say, you know, just
to, you know, basically turn itinto the what was the term?

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They were saying Something likethe, you know the, like Middle
East Riviera or whatever, theMediterranean Riviera, where
it's just going to be, you know,lined with high?
You know, are they coming in tobuild hotels, be a moneymaker
for the already wealthyinvestors there, or is it going
to be actually something wherethey establish?
Are they going to build andestablish a place for people to

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live?
Either way, gazans andPalestinians are going to get
the short end of the stick on it.
You know they're not going torebuild the whole place and you
know, put in new floors and moveeverybody back in there.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, right, before we go too much further, because
I guess I mean I don't want tohave the whole episode, you know
, just be this, but it's alsoreally good I have, you know, a
couple of questions, right, thefirst one being is it correct to
pretty much then say the claimof Israel's being occupied, or

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Palestine's being occupied,they're under an occupation?
Is that, in the context of, ifwe look at it historically and
like what everything leads up toto this moment in time, is that
really a true statement, or isit more of?
These are pretty much twogroups that both have claim to
the area.
Some, like alistairians, haveclaimed to parts of israel,

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israel's claims to parts ofisrael in pal, you know,
whatever right Like, both ofthem have parts they want from
the other, and what we're morelooking at is just like two
groups divided that both have aright to the same location and
one is winning.
I'm just going to be frank Oneis winning.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
One is losing.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Because that's what it seems like more to me from
the outside right is like I Ialmost see it very similarly to
um, what was it, uh?
Russia's requirement of?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
what was it?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
crimea.
Yeah, of like, there's a lot ofrussians that live in crimea
that think crimea is russian, alot of crimeans who also think
it's russian, a lot of crimethat live in Crimea that think
Crimea is Russian, a lot ofCrimeans who also think it's
Russian, a lot of Crimeans andRussians who think it's Crimea.
What it really comes down to iswho's going to win when both of
them want that same thing.
Like the same thing and theydon't want to share Right, and I

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know this is like a verysimplistic and brutalist
approach, but I don't thinkwe're looking at anything new
here.
Like this is the same thingthat's been going on in the
sandbox for a very long time andthat's, that's my assumption.
That's how I kind of likeseeing it.
That could be totally wrong andI want you to tell me if it's
wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, I think the the the hardest thing about
answering this whole thing wouldbe like people's view of what's
right and wrong is justdifferent, depending on your
viewpoint of like therethroughout history and
throughout now.
You know there's people whowould say um, colonialism,
imperialism isn't bad.

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People would say that's, that'sabhorrent, you're destroying
cultures.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Um I'm not saying that's right or wrong morally.
I'm just trying to say like, isthat a right?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
assessment of the picture, well, and that's what I
would even say now, which islike how did we get all of our
borders that we have currently?
yeah, exactly, it was eitherthrough, in rare cases buying
land off of other countries yeah, who had taken it from somebody
else in the past, or um,conquer, conquest, and so like,

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and then post-conquest fightingfor, you know, back and forth,
pushing the line this way andthat way and so on, an
individual from from taking itfrom an like a perspective,
individual to individual, it's alot easier to get into the gray
areas of who has a right tolife and happiness here, who has

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a right to their homeland, andthen as you zoom up and get into
, uh, you know, 30,000 foot viewmode it's like, depending on
your worldview, it's oneperspective is, you know, hey,
we were here first and this isour land and we should have it.

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And that's what both people like.
That's what both sides like.
That's the argument they putforward first.
Both sides make that sameargument we were here first,
it's ours.
It's like well, what's yourdefinition of first?
It's like no finders, keepers.
Well, you left it, you left itNow, I found it Okay Now.
Then there's the otherperspective, which would be I
took this, I took it, I took it,or like, or I don't care if it

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was yours, now it's mine.
And that is a hard, it's abrutal hard way to approach a
situation.
But from what I see fromhistory, that is what happens,
right or wrong.
What happens is someone comesand says I took this, it's mine

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now.
Almost like that scene from theDaniel Day-Lewis oil movie.
What is that?
There Will Be Blood.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yes, your milkshake's over there, but I put my straws
over here and I drink it up.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, and exactly it's the.
I drink your milkshake.
And in that scene you'd saywho's the bad guy?
Oh, he is Like he's bad.
Is he though, but at the sametime, I mean, he does bludgeon
him with a bowling pin, but likeyeah, his adopted son, not his
adopted son.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
He bludgeons the corrupt preacher.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Yep, yep.
But just all that to say.
I kind of have my own personalopinions and I can't even hardly
get them out clearly becausethey're so in some ways
convoluted or like sure, or justlike I've spent so much time
thinking through them but wouldbe, um, both sides in their own

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right and in their own mind havelegitimate claim, yep, and now
it's like so, uh, gaza in inparticular, we have a, they're
kind of one of their.
Their ruling government wasHamas and they attacked and then

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they got the poop kicked out ofthem, this time big time, more
than ever in the past.
Um and Hamas.
Who's responsible for the um,the civilian deaths, the women,
women, children, thedisplacement?
Well, hamas has to accept theirhand in what they did to their

(23:42):
own people.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
They made a decision.
They didn't do it good enoughto get the milkshake from the
other guy.
And now the other guy came inand just threw their milkshake
against a dumpster they justlike they didn't even.
They didn't even steal themilkshake, they just crushed it.
So israel also has um as agovernment has um.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You know their own part to play, and so so does
Hamas, and so it's just likeit's like if I throw rocks at
your house and then turn aroundand run into mine, I should not
be surprised if you throw rocksthrough my window.
I might, depending on how muchI've upset you.

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Like.
Let's say, I threw a rock andit went through your window and
hit your kid or something right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I shouldn't be surprised if you're kicking in
my door right, and that's whatthe hard people a lot of people
would say to like the Hamas haveto be like.
Well, I threw rocks at yourwindow and then you drove
through my house with abulldozer.
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah because I'm sick .
It wasn't like.
It's like you threw a rockthrough my window and it killed
my dog.
I'm driving a bulldozer throughyour house because you'll never
live here again and you'llnever be able to kill my next
dog right, that's asimplification.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm sure there's not a lot of people who like me
referring to them as dogs um,yeah, no, but yeah, and so I
think that the um it is likeit's a matter of perspective.
From a 30,000 foot view, Ithink it's not that difficult,
but if we get into the lives ofindividuals it gets very rough,

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very fast.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is and I agree with that wholeheartedly.
And I will say, you know,mick's personal opinion is that
you know, if I was sitting withtwo individuals, right it would
be.
I think you both have validclaims to here.
Both of you have valid claimsto this to be to be here.

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I'm not going to say like to ownit, I'm not going to say to
build it or destroy it or youknow whatever.
But I'm going to say you bothhave valid reasons to be present
in this space and, and like youknow, occupying it.
If you can't agree on that,then you need to figure it out.

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That and like and it's not likeyou need to, I'm telling you
you need to.
It's like that's just thenatural result and I, I would
prefer it if they could justaccept and shake hands and be
like yeah, we both have realreasons to be here, you do your
thing, I'll do mine, uh, but Iknow that's like incredibly over

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simple, right, right.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Because then, is that a?
Is that a two-state solutionwith a line down the middle?
And you look inside that sideversus, like I don't think,
every other house.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I always, I always thought that was ridiculous I
always thought there should justbe one block of land and let it
be a, you know, democraticrepresentation right um and I I
agree from an americanperspective, being that like
because we've got a road, we've,we are not um we don't decide
who gets to live in one house,based on Democrat, republican or

(26:59):
Christian Muslim or orsomething you don't even get to
pick.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know, like, like Italian, or you know if you're
we don't do that anymore, right,we used to, right, yeah, but so
, like in this case, the hardpart here is to where, to the,
let's say, somebody, like somebig mediator, comes in like
America, and says, all right,you two play nice, you know, get

(27:24):
along, coexist together.
Yeah, the hard thing is there'speople working on both sides
whose ultimate goal is to seethe other group annihilated, you
know, and um, and so in thiscase, because of power, wise,
I'd say, if the, if the tideswere turned in a lot of ways too

(27:46):
, uh, if the, if the, if the,yeah, if the scripts were
flipped on like who had thepower in the population, it
would be the same thing going on, except people would be like,
you know, uh, college liberalswould be, uh, waving a flag
about free israel.
Um, but, um, the, the power,what I, what's scary for me, is

(28:08):
the, the powerful player isisrael, and today, today, and
they will like it.
If the thing was all right,everybody, play nice, live
together.
Still, in 50 years from now,there would be less gazans, less

(28:29):
palestinians, less ara, lessArabs living there through many
different means, because thereis an agenda and an ultimate
goal to you know, to have it andfor.
Israel to be a Jewish state.
I mean you cannot be a citizenin Israel without being Jewish.
Without being Jewish in a lotof ways, as far as there are

(28:53):
some exceptions, but by andlarge, it's your blood in your
veins and so that's where, fromthe American perspective, we're
like wait blood in your veins.
We've kind of moved past a lotof that, but for them, and for
Palestinians, or Arabs too, thisis still a very strong thing.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say is like the
big difference is like, yes, wehave what we think should happen
.
Right, we have what we prefer.
Like hey, you two both haveequal claims, get along.
And if you can't get along,figure it out, sort it out.
The issue with that is thatthey're like Israel is is a
religious government, just likea lot of the other nations are

(29:32):
Muslim government governments ofIslam.
Right, it's so.
Like the fact that it's aJewish government and Palestine
is a Muslim governmentEssentially, I think, kind of
means like the real solution isboth of them being dismantled
into a non-religious, separatedgovernment to take in this place

(29:57):
, which I don't think that's ourjob either.
Right, I'll say that like it'sone of those things like where I
don't think we have any role init.
Now, I do think like I've heardthe argument of like, well, you
know, the Biden admin sent aninsane amount of weapons and
money over there to Israel.
Those weapons and that moneywas put to use to level Gaza.

(30:18):
So maybe we do have someresponsibility to rebuild the
buildings and offer aid andassistance.
And I was like you know what.
I'm not even going to argueagainst that.
I kind of think, like I'll behonest, if, like US, bombs were
flying over, let's flip around.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Let's say, if you know, russia gave some bombs to
Mexico and Mexico was like yeah,we're going to use these on the
US and we were the ones thatprovoked the war with Mexico.
And then Russia was like, shit,those bombs really worked and
wrecked the us quite a bit.
Hey, us, we feel kind of badthat we we did that and they

(30:58):
just annihilated you.
We'd like to offer some aidrelief.
I'd be like, yeah, you betterkind of pay up because you kind
of have a little bit ofliability here.
So I don't know, I I don'tthink it's our responsibility,
but I can see where it's perhapsthe right thing to do to offer

(31:18):
that support.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Right, the hard thing are we supporting it or are we
enforcing it?
Or are we like coming in andnow it's like we're taking both
your milkshakes.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, you know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
From a standpoint of, you know, america saying all
right, we're taking over gaza.
Uh, gossans, you couldn't getyour crap together, and israel,
you couldn't handle this either.
So it's sit down you know, yeah, everybody sit down.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
We're gonna come take care of this now and, uh,
profit, you know yeah, you know,and honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if that's at all whatplays out, because we don't have
a religious government.
Our government's not achristian government, and I
don't think it should be either.
I don't want a christian state.
I don't want a christian nation.
A christian, the idea of achristian nation is uh oxymoron

(32:07):
yeah it's like, yeah, that it'santithetical, like the whole
point of of being a Christian isgoing out, and if you were
living in a nation whereeveryone was Christian, there'd
be nowhere else to go but out.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And, like a lot of people, I know their immediate
knee jerk response is like wellthen you should quit your job
and go to another country.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I'm like no, because I live in America and America is
not a Christian nation andthere's plenty of non-Christians
around me for me to go out toand witness, a disciple, and
there's a difference betweensaying, and I will say we are a
nation rooted in Judeo-Christianvalues, values, but that does
not mean that's what we are andthen you know there was.
And at the same time, though,how does the rest of the world

(32:48):
see this when, like Trump, juststood up like something called,
like the department of faith orsomething I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
no, it's not real, come on is that real?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I gotta look it up, look it up.
You know it's hard because I'mgonna get off the facebook page,
exactly so much, so muchstuff's just coming off of memes
, but, um, it was something likesomething about the something
of faith, all these peoplepraying around him, um, and uh,
white house faith office.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, ordered the creation of the white house
faith, the new white houseoffice.
All right, I gotta go to thewikipedia and start going
through this, so we'll see ifit's corroborated.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
You tell me if I'm right or wrong here, but
basically what it appeared to melike was, you know um basically
establishing, you know um alittle bit of thinning up the
differentiation between churchand state.
Lots of people praying overPresident Trump in the Oval
Office, which I personally thinkis actually beautiful If

(33:43):
genuine or authentic, but then,at the same time, I don't want
to see Christianity in the nameof Jesus weaponized, just like
we've seen a couple other timesthroughout history and so well
hold on.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I will say this I'm gonna stand that majority of the
crusades were good and peopleget the wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Incomplete perspective of the crusades and
I and I guess I'm like, I'm evenbut I have seen it weaponized.
You're talking about nazis, I'm, uh, I'm talking about um big
and small examples.
I could say like uh, indigenouspeople thrown into christian
schools yeah, spanish spanishinquisition um uh, you know kind
of dark, manifest destiny darkages, catholicism, you know.

(34:27):
Uh, what was the, the thingcalled where you'd pay your way
out of purgatory?
What were those called the?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
penances or something .

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like that's where, like when
Martin Luther wanted to separateout, because you know the Rome
and Christianity had become sotightly combined, you know, and
then you could go to now whereyou have someone like maybe Joel
Olsteen, weaponizing the nameof Jesus or God, so that you can

(34:55):
have, you know, a bigger house.
So the yeah, and the Crusadestoo and I don't think the
Crusades were all bad either, Iagree.
I think that there's I thinkthey've gotten a bad rap over
the years where you can go.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Like the Children's Crusade, was just a tragedy.
I'll say that the Children'sCrusade.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I'll say that the Children's Crusade Do you know
that one?
I don't know about thisLiterally just a whole group of
children that left Europe To gofight their own crusade and was
blessed by the Pope.
They all died well, well, wellBefore they got to
Constantinople.
They had, like, no real adultswith them and it was like
thousands of children, that is.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You know what we should do?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
let's just have like one or one episode where I just
go through every crusade becauseI, I, think the crusades are
one an unreal amount of historylike the crusades, you use
what's crazy?
The crusades and the uh uhgenghis khan were happening at
the same time and that's a lotof war.
That's a lot of war and we'venever seen a mobilization like

(36:00):
that.
Pre-industrial revolution RightLike that was the most unreal
mobilization of forces inhistory and it happened at the
same time, and I think we shouldgo through the Crusades.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think that also the respect's got to be given to
old saladine.
Saladine bro, he.
I mean as far as uh um and Isome interesting tidbits I'll
bring up when we talk about thecrusades too, about uh reverence
towards christianity too, ofsaladine, but the um, which is
kind of interesting, but the letme.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Let me just say this too um, I think we could go
through this.
I'm looking at the white houseestablishment of the
establishment of the white housefaith office.
Educate me, are you ready?
I could.
We can go through it section bysection.
Um, it's, it's not super long,but it's like a good.
It's a good read.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I guess my main, my main wonderment is is it like um
all faiths or just it's allfaiths, it's all faiths it
specifically outlines severaltimes that it is.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
You know about all faith and communities and what
is it?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
what?
Why?
What's it?
You know?
Yeah is it the next?
You know, uh, is it?
Is it the combining of the, theyou know, like, like r and the
Pope, and like you know what'sthe purposes, you know, would we
be curious of assistfaith-based?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
entities, community organizations and houses of
worship in their efforts tostrengthen american families,
promote work andself-sufficiency and protect lit
religious liberty.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So it's that's the that's the goal now that
verbiage, I feel like I couldget behind the outline.
You know what I mean.
And then you got like but thenlet me, let me dive in yeah
section one policy.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Uh, these entities, faith-based ones, um, their
organizations, houses of worship, worship?
Uh, they serve individuals,families, communities, through
means that are different fromthose of government and with
capacity effectiveness thatoften exceeds that of government
.
These organizations lift peopleup, keep families, solve
problems at the local level.
Executive branch wantsfaith-based entities, community

(38:17):
organizations and houses ofworship, to the fullest extent
permitted by law, to compete ona level playing field for grants
, contracts, programs and otherfederal funding opportunities,
which is important, bro, becausejust recently it came out that
USAID was funding a ton of likeleft leaning liberal, like
Christian podcasts and Jewishpodcasts there was like a

(38:40):
Christian podcast.
With these two pastors, they hadgotten over $500,000 of support
from.
Usaid just spitting out heresypretty liberal heretical stuff,
you know what?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I mean, and since we, you know, I mean and, uh, um,
uh, and, and since we, uh, youknow, I guess, if you listen to
the episode before this, wetalked briefly about us, uh,
usaid, usaid, as we, as I guesswe're supposed to be called.
Whatever they're saying, Idon't know if they're walking
back to aid part or not, butbecause it's just an acronym, as
we learned last, uh as Ilearned last time.
But um man, stuff has beencoming out still, it's not

(39:15):
stopped.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
It's not stopped.
Unreal what that money wasgoing to.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
And this was.
I think USAID was basicallyjust the new CIA.
As far as their ability, to.
PSYOP and control, because therewere certain things that
happened where the CIA couldn'tdo as far as their ability to
psyop and control, um, becausethere was certain things that

(39:39):
happened where the cia couldn'tdo as much as they used to be
able to do, like during, youknow, vietnam and cold war era
assassinations, but then theywere and that stuff was kind of
kiboshed but anyways, usaid hadno um, uh, basically it's not
had very much oversight or likethey can do a lot of things just
without the president saying so.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
That's all.
Yeah, it was really.
They had a lot of discretion onwhat they sent money to.
Efforts of faith-basedcommunities and the other
organizations they are reallyimportant for revitalizing
communities.
The other organizations theyare really important for
revitalizing communities,strengthening the family, and

(40:20):
the federal government welcomesopportunities to partner with
such organizations throughinnovative, measurable and
outcome driven initiativescommitted to ensuring that all
executive departments andagencies honor and enforce the
constitution's guarantee ofreligious liberty.
This sounds good to me so far.
Amendments to executive orders.
There's a couple amendmentshere.
It's released about specificexecutive order references

(40:45):
throughout years SubstitutingWhite House Faith Office for
White House Office of Faithbased in Community Initiatives
or White House OFBCI office forWhite House office of faith
based in community initiativesor White House OFBCI.
Each time it appears in thoseorders.
So I think there's already aWhite House faith office in
existence.
It appears to be from previousdepartments and items and that

(41:05):
now, like there's an executiveorder put by Bush I guess, equal
protection of laws forfaith-based and community
organizations.
There was one from Obamafundamental principles and
policymaking criteria forpartnerships with faith-based
and other neighborhoodorganizations.
So it seems like these are allexecutive orders that are being

(41:27):
amended or included in this newoffice established or included
in this new office?
Established, yeah, but anyways.
So here's some ones I'm justgoing to go past the sections
and just go into, like the, tothe extent permitted by law, the
office shall from time to timeconsult with and seek
information from experts andvarious faith and community
leaders identified by the WhiteHouse Faith Office, including

(41:52):
those from outside the federalgovernment and those from state,
local and tribal governments.
That's pretty cool.
They will be focused onincluding the sorry a broad
range of areas in whichfaith-based entities, community
organizations and house ofworships operate, including
protecting women and children,strengthening marriage and
family, lifting up individualsthrough work and
self-sufficiency, defendingreligious liberty, combating

(42:16):
anti-Semitic, anti-christian andadditional forms of
anti-religious bias, promotingfoster care and adoption
programs in partnership withfaith-based entities, providing
wholesome and effectiveeducation, preventing and
reducing crime and facilitatingprisoner re-entry, promoting
recovery from substance usedisorder and fostering
flourishing minds.
They get to makerecommendations to the president

(42:38):
through the assistant to thepresident of domestic policy,
convene meetings withrepresentatives from the Centers
for Faith and otherrepresentatives from across
agencies as appropriate.
Advise implementationthroughout federal government of
those aspects ofadministration's policy agenda
aimed at enabling faith-basedentities to better serve
families and communities.
So it seems like it's justpretty much going through over

(42:58):
and over how to coordinate andconsult and essentially just
like having a panel of religiousadvisors across various
religions.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
But then like a little devil'sadvocate on there being like the
, the Satanist who gets to be onthe panel.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Personally, I don't think you should listen to any
of these guys.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
No, let's see If, just if I was to put myself in
some other shoes while you readthat what were the two that got
mentioned by name?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Anti -Semitism, anti-christian and other
anti-religious biases Right.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
So, number one, an ally.
Number two, the main faithgoing on in the country.
Number three, the token phraseto keep everybody happy
Inclusivity.
So meaning back to kind of whatwe're talking before, with this
israel situation being okay.
So, um, is this the fourthcrusade, you know?

(43:59):
And just in a, in a way of um,a white collar, the white collar
, fourth crusade is going okay.
I'm doing things likeestablishing my faith-based
office around jews andchristians and and here's the
deal, personally, I like that.

(44:20):
All right.
You know I'm pro anti-semitism.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
I won't like it if it's just jews and christians,
I'll say that I want.
I want government to hear fromeverybody, because the
government serves everybody, notjust jews and christians, right
, right.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But then if I'm going like super personally to pat,
I'm winning at that statement,it honestly feels good to win
for once.
But so you know, like you knowwhat I'm saying, like just to be
said, like yeah, like okay,yeah, that caters straight to me
all right, I get what you'resaying.
I I don't view it as a crusadelike thing yet, because I

(44:55):
haven't seen a call to a war yetright, and I, and I when I'm
saying, pat likes, what he'sseeing is not, um, not the trump
taking gaza piece, the uh theamerica, the faith-based thing
saying jews and christians,you're protected.
I'm like like, hey, I win atthat, I guess.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I don't see Trump taking Gaza, yet I don't see it
as a hostile takeover of the USgovernment occupying and taking
Gaza, yet I see it as, from allI understand and from what I've
read and heard so far, I'd sayboth of you need to sit down,
continue to play nice, becausewe're waiting to.
If you break the rules, wedon't get the hostages back, and

(45:34):
if you break the rules, I haveto slap you pee pee and I'm not
going to help rebuild anythingFor sure you know what I mean,
and it's like that's what ithonestly feels, like it feels
like someone came in and waslike enough's enough.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And, yeah, that and I think the enough's enough piece
is the part where, like, I'vetalked to some people about this
and people who are heavilyinvested in, like, this region
and they're just like, andpeople who would generally be
like maybe palestinian leaningin the in this thing and just
been like not offended bytrump's stuff.
Now, lots of palestinianleaning people, like
pro-palestinian people, areoffended by it.
But there's other people whokind of like the realist piece,
being like all right, yeah, it'sa ceasefire, daddy's got to

(46:20):
step in and it's time to spanksome butts and clean up the room
.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Because, let's be honest, if Little Pat 1 was
dogging on Little Pat 2, becauseLittle Pat 2 did something to
Little Pat 1 was dogging onLittle Pat 2.
Uh-huh, because Little Pat 2,you know, did something to
Little Pat 1.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I'm trying to think of a quick one Like stomped on
his toes or you know, broke someLegos or whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Oh yeah, you'd probably let Little Pat 1 do a
little bit of correcting toLittle Pat 2.
Right, and then you'd probablybe like, oh, oh, he's like
actually hurting him, it's.
This is excessive.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
both of them are sitting down and breaking it up
it's great example where, so inmy house, there is a rule, yeah,
about spitting on people.
Wow, that's insane.
You have children?
Yeah, because, uh, and I'mtrying to grow men here, right,
yeah, yeah.
And so the rule is, if someonespits on, I'd say this the the

(47:21):
first rule is if you spit onsomebody, expect to get hit, and
then the second rule is ifsomebody spits on you, you can
hit them, you're allowed to hitthem.

(47:42):
Now I'm trying to also.
We are at an age of a lot of,like you know, sticking your
tongue out and Is that spitting?
Is that spitting?
Or the?
There's a?
You know that's a spit, yeah,exactly.
So I come in to the house lastnight Babysitter's there.
I'm coming in and as I'm comingin, I hear screaming, I hear

(48:02):
some hitting, some bareback openhand slapping, and I hear the
five stars, the kind of timidbabysitter, being like oh, don't
, do not hit boys, boys, why areyou doing that?
Do not do that.
And then I just come in with my, with my boots oh bro, there's

(48:22):
enough team and they both justlike.
They just both like they standup and littlest pat goes.
He spit at me and I say, and soI look at it, I'm like all
right, all right.
And then the other one runs overyou know little pat and he's
like he said he was gonna killme.

(48:43):
So now we've just broken liketwo major rules, which first of
all, that means one we had athree-year, a not quite
three-year-old, saying I'm gonnakill you, and then we had big
brother spitting on littlebrother, this is great, this is
great and so this is some realuh east of eden shit going down.

(49:04):
So I said so I said you go toyour room, yeah, and you go to
the corner, because they share aroom, so you can't both send
them to their rooms and uh, weworked it out.
We figured out who did whatfirst.
I did not physically disciplinethem, we had to talk about it,

(49:25):
but I was just like it was.
Now we're boiling down a, youknow, 70-year to 2,000 to
6,000-year problem to onesiblings of a five-year-old and
a three-year-old.
But, um, we had to uh separatethem out and uh talk about it,

(49:46):
come together, forgive eachother and then move on.
Um, both people had madeoffenses, had made offenses.
Both people had, um, uh, bothpeople had legitimate gripes
about what the other had done tothem.
And uh had to, had to uh workit out and had to have some

(50:10):
other influence in there.
And you know it's like and youknow someone who's maybe hard
israel uh supporter or hardpalestinian supporters you know
uh doesn't like to hear the wayI'm talking about it, but yeah,
I'll cover.
I'll cover you, bro, but butboth sides got to do it
differently that's why the thingis like I started off by

(50:31):
defending the gossan side ofthings um and not defending
terrorism, whatever all thisstuff right, but I'm defending,
I, I can defend that side, or,if someone comes on from this, I
can defend the other side too,and I can, you know.
and that that being because, um,both sides honestly sorry to

(50:54):
hear it, but both of you aren'tdoing it right, and that's like
the hard truth that both sidesare just pointing fingers,
instead of like this acceptanceof hey, he spit in my face and
he said he was going to kill me.

(51:16):
And then we started going at itRight which hey, in this house,
if you spit at somebody, you'regoing to get hit and threatening
to eliminate somebodypermanently.
We don't take that lightly, asmaybe one group has done to the
other.
Yeah, we're not taking thatlightly either.

(51:36):
Yeah, we're not saying thatlightly either yeah.
And so both parties.
This is hard.
Both parties have proventhemselves incapable of
governing this part of the land.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
This is why I've said from the first time we talked I
don't support one or the other.
I empathize with both and ifyou recall, my support where I
stood was like I don't think weshould be sending weapons to
Israel.
I think we should be offering,like relief aid, triage, aid
right To both sides, cause,honestly, if we had our people

(52:13):
doing triage in Palestine, onGaza, and some Israel strikes
took out some of ours, I bet thestrikes would stop real quick.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's true, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm just saying like now, yeah, that means you got to
put American lives in harm'sway.
But I'm just saying, if we'regoing to be offering aid, I
think that's the aid we shouldbe doing, because no one's butt
puckers up more than whenthere's an American in the
crosshairs and everyone's likedo I really want to do this?
How, how sure am I want I wantto do this anyways?
Um, that's where I've alwaysstand, and you know, pat, to to

(52:49):
your statement there, you know Icould care less what anyone
thinks about.
No, you need to be like ifyou're Christians, you need to
be hardline Israel, no matterwhat, to the day you die.
And no, if you're Christians,you need to take the plea of the
underdog or the you know, thepeople being occupied or
victimized here.

(53:09):
Like hardline Palestinian, I'mlike look bro, I'm not taking
either.
I'm not taking either.
Both of them temporary, likefreaking dust in the wind.
It's blown away.
And if there's anything that Ican see like coming out of this
conflict, is that like we'regetting closer to the end of it.
Now, let me just say this toolet's totally pivot Right, all

(53:33):
right.
With the latest things thatTrump's doing.
Are you thinking Trump'santichrist?
Because that's the latest thingthat a lot of people are like
running their mouths.
They're like he's theantichrist and I'm just like all
right, guys, come on Freaking,relax, relax, like, listen to
yourselves before you get allworked up over a nothing
sandwich, right.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Which it's funny, because Now maybe I'm saying
that to you.
Yeah, what I will say is thatum, it's a uh, the christ left
us some real catch-22s on uh andafter the antichrist, on the
antichrist bit being um, bevigilant for the end of times,

(54:15):
be looking out for it, yeah, buthe will deceive like all of you
, and you're all gonna love himyeah, and you won't know when
I'm coming back.
So it's this catch-22 being umthroughout all of the since
jesus ascended, right, we couldsay.
His followers or people who'vestudied him would say oh yeah,

(54:38):
the end's coming next year.
Like, I heard that caesar istearing down the temple.
Yeah, that's the, that's the.
That's the worst thing I'veever seen.
Or lots of history, lots ofhistory.
Okay, oh, hitler, you know that.
That that guy, it's.
It's the end of times.
This is horrible.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
The whole world's I would have 100 thought hitler
was the endichrist and the worldwas over right, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
It'd be like yeah, so yeah, and justifiably so, and
then you could march it downthis, this, that and the other,
and then, and then the picklebeing, he said look for it.
And he said you're not gonnaknow.
Yeah, what am I supposed to dowith that?
I don't know.
But but I will say I don'tthink trump is the antichrist.

(55:19):
Um, I think that, um, becausethen there's are you sure?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
well, he was injured in the head.
What if he says he's rebuildingthe temple?
Then what will you think um?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
that that's where what I will say is anytime a
major political figure getsinvolved in the Holy Land area,
it's worth investigating andbeing vigilant around what's
happening here, whether we'retalking the you know the end of
it all or just big world eventscoming our way.

(55:55):
The end of it all or just bigworld events coming our way?
And so I don't think Trump isloved enough and beloved enough
to be the Antichrist.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
His approval rating's gotten higher though he's at a
70%.
Isn't that crazy, trump, at a70% approval rating?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I mean that is insane , I don't even think I approve
of 70% of what that guy says ordoes.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
But I'm'm like that's pretty nuts and for how much he
seems like people think, forhow much people scream about how
he's the worst person to everwalk the earth.
I'm like dang 70's a lot, sogoing off of those stats, hey,
you might have to be careful.
Lots of people love him.
Um a great deceiver I don'tknow, elon musk I don't think so

(56:42):
too autistic to deceive.
Well, like you know, like uh,but you know I was thinking
about this the other day formyself.
I was going, okay, um, what isyou know?
As far as um know, all the endtime stuff goes, um, there is a

(57:03):
lot around it and there's somepeople who think you can usher
it in and some people who arejust like, yeah, you gotta like
just wait, you know bro peoplewho are like we can force things
to occur because God's told usenough that we can force it.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I'm like where do you get off?
Where do you get off that youthink you could remotely?
That's like to me.
I'm like, okay, if you believein God, you believe he created
the universe as it is, let'sstart small.
Move the earth off its axis andif you can do that, let's move

(57:41):
up to like displacing a sun fromits solar system.
All right, once you do that,let's try to bring about God's
will.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Because it's so immovable to me, which I agree
with.
And then it'd be like well then, I'm just never going to pray
for anything in my life.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Well then, I'd be like well then, I'm just never
going to pray for anything in mylife.
Well then, I'd be like wellthen, you don't read scripture.
Right the scripture says theprayers of a.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
The prayers of a righteous man are heard Right,
and so then it'd be like, allright, well, I'm righteous and I
want you to come back, yeahyeah, no, for sure, there's
dance baby.
No, definitely.
But I think that the I thinkevery generation has had people

(58:24):
who think the end is near, andthe end is always nearing,
because it's kind of the samething where people will be like
everybody's or like for anindividual basis, going
everybody's.
You know, basically justeverybody's going to die and
everybody's getting closer todying, you know, like that's
like yeah, okay, that's true,but are we talking for the

(58:47):
humanity?
We're talking two years or 2billion years.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You know like I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
You know, but All right, trump, go ahead.
If I was going to pick someonewho is existing right now.

(59:14):
I mean, the thing about Elonthat freaks me out is like the
Neuralink stuff and his power,but at the same time, I don't
think the antichrist aroundright now.
Um neural link, I think isfreaky.
Um connecting all of everythingyou know like.
Basically, like some peoplethought that barcodes were the
mark of the beast, yeah, haveyou been to Hobby Lobby?
Have we talked about this onhere?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
No, but I remember I did read about when barcode
barcodes first came around andpeople thought have you been?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
to hobby lobby lately , not in like the last two
months, all right.
Well, um, that's funny.
I've been there like once inthe last like seven years.
But that's fine, two months,all right.
So you probably noticed I lovehobby lobby, okay.
But so when you leave there, isthere a barcode or is there
just a price and they punch itin?
and then they tell you what youowe.

(59:56):
Hobby lobby, christian uh baseorganization barcodes came out.
They're like we're not doing it.
That's mark of the beast, shit.
Nope, we're just sticking withour thing.
Which what's crazy to me isfrom a business owner
perspective.
I'm like how they don't haveany skews?
They have no skews, they justhave prices on things yeah, bro,

(01:00:16):
how do you keep track ofinventory at?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
the end of the day.
Oh, come on, man, they don'tkeep track of inventory.
I know Bed to fucking lobby,lobby.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I know I was like oh my god, but anyway, it's like
they're like no barcodes.
Here's how I know they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I grabbed the wrong size of a piece I needed for an
airbrush.
I was for airbrush.
I was like, oh crap, this isthe wrong size and the lady had
already entered it in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
She's like just go swap it out.
That's how I know there's notrack of inventory, no for sure
and so.
But even those people to be soextreme as to be like barcodes
are the mark of the beast.
People like cell phones themark of the beast.
Credit cards the mark of thebeast, like okay, neural,
linking yourself, that's kind ofwe're getting some that's kind
of up there.
Like compared to barcodes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
We're getting close.
I would say this though Imaginethis, neuralink, yeah, let's
say, majority of the world hasit.
Yeah, I think Neuralink is themost likely way the whole world
could witness Christ return atthe same time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
If you're limiting his glory'm just kidding sure,
if he's returning as a singleperson and a single place right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I think that's a way to do it right, because for a
long time people were like, howare they going to do it?
And then there was like livetelevision and everyone's like
wow, this could be it, like thiscould be the technology.
And then it became like instantlive viewing on your phone, now
neural link in your freakingbrain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You could just view through your eyeballs this is
true, so all that he works heworks, he works all things, yeah
, he works on all things, so heworks on all things, brother.
That's what I'm saying it'slike so for the, for the good of
those who love him, so thatevil ass neural link he might
use it.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I honestly though, what if Neuralink turns out to
not be evil at?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
all I know, it just freaks me out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Would you still do this podcast if I got it, so it
could fix my eyeballs?

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Well, the problem is at that point, what would we
even be talking about?
You'd just be like.
You'd be like what are wetalking about?
That'd be cool, you know, likeit's just like ripping out all
this I just think it'd be unrealif I could get rid of craig.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
We could finally get rid of craig you have to do
something about him.
He's starting to stink.
I have to change his clothes.
Put another bucket of waterdown the hole that's, that's for
real uh okay all right, here's.
Here's some things that I wastalking to these guys, right,
and some of these guys are liketotal kooky heads and you know
who you are and you know I loveyou, but they did, some of them

(01:02:50):
did say some things that werelike, hey, you want to know some
crazy shit, though, because I,I will say this I do believe
that, unfortunately, when youhave a religious, or when you
have a religion take the placeof a government and then you now
you have a very dangerousenvironment for immoral

(01:03:11):
individuals to justifyimmorality, because it falls
under some you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
They can justify it through that religion.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, they can try to , you know, force it through the
lenses of that religion, right,which is of course what we saw
with, you know, catholicism andyou know the Holy Roman Empire
for sure.
Right, we still see that todaynow with the Pope and like how
divided the Catholic Church isover the most recent Pope's
decrees with the Pope and likehow divided the Catholic church
is over the most recent Pope'sdecrees.
But I mean, there are some evil, evil shit that Israel has done

(01:03:43):
in the past and I well, I won't, don't, I won't say he's Israel
, mossad and Israel's governmenthas done, and they've done it
through trying to use Judaismand the you know divinity of
being God's elected asjustification.
And here's something that'scrazy.
I was checking this out.
Did you know, apparentlyJeffrey Epstein on more than one

(01:04:07):
occasion told people he was aMossad asset and that he was
essentially recruited byGhislaine's father, who was a
Mossad agent, and that the wholeMaxwell and Epstein kind of

(01:04:28):
process of getting people andhaving them commit lewd acts
with children was so Mossadwould have blackmail on, like
you know, powerful people andsenators and stuff around the
world?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
yeah, isn't that I did not know about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
I don't know about that piece, but I, I'm, I'm not
saying the Jews are creatingkiddie porn, right, but I am
saying like, if that is truewhich we will hopefully find out
in this, you know thispresidency but if that's true,

(01:05:04):
that certainly is a dangerous,dangerous place to put your
people as a whole, who callthemselves, you know, under the
name of Judaism, right, youcould do insane damage,
irreparable damage that won't behealed or forgotten for perhaps
decades.
You know what I mean, like,because I mean it's it's enough

(01:05:27):
for, like, catholicism canhardly, um, really do anything
other than an attempt to ignorethe you know, essentially
shaming of how many pedophilesare in the, in the cloth, right,
and yes, it's a, it's aminority, for sure, right, I
would, I would not be surprisedif the amount of pedophiles that

(01:05:49):
make up, you know, the, youknow Catholic leadership, is sub
1%.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Or like equal to percentage of pedophiles in
general, in general, yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Um, but it's just that those individuals, because
it happens, and it's happenedenough that it becomes something
very difficult for that wholepeople group to overcome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
And if that came out, bro, like if that was true,
that would do so much damage tothose people as a whole.
You already have a lot ofhaters that would do so much
damage to those people as awhole you know what I mean who
already have a lot of haters,Already have a lot of haters.
Yeah, there's another one thatI found this is more just
interesting.
Satanism started by a guy whohis parents were immigrants from

(01:06:37):
Israel and he was born inChicago, but his name was Anton
uh Levy Levy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
And he started like church modern, the modern church
of Satanism.
Yeah, like in 1940s oh yeah,cause there's some older.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I'm talking like the who he's known as, like the
modern father of the church ofSatanism in the contemporary.
On on their.
But I'm talking like he's knownas, like, the modern father of
the Church of Satanism in thecontemporary On their website,
on Wikipedia and stuff like that.
Yeah, the other guy, though,who co-did it with him was a
like director of psyops in theUS Army, and he was the
co-founder of Satanism.
Isn't that bonkers?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
It's the craziest thing about what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
It's not surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I didn't know I didn't know about it, but it's
just like oh yeah, now what?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I'm saying I'm not saying that jews created
satanism.
I'm just saying that guyhappened to come from a jewish
family and he denounced judaismand all that when he made the
church of satanism modernsatanism.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
But him, he, his parents, came from modern day
israel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, right, and we have american psyop maybe sorry,
that might be a mistake theymight have fled okay, and
immigrated to the us during thattime, because that, because 40s
, that's pretty misogynist.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, okay, I was.
If it was like he wasn't amasad agent, I'm not saying he
was right, but I was like, if itwas like okay, I was wondering
if it was like further on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
It's just ironic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, it's interesting and I mean so the
Epstein stuff, I mean yeah,because Robert Maxwell he was
and he was his name was actuallysomething else.
He had like a super Europeanname.
Ghislaine Mackwell's dad had asuper European name and he kind

(01:08:28):
of he was in the army, then hefled and then he changed his
name and then he got his kind ofprominence.
And then he got his kind ofprominence and then, you know,
was essentially a it's widelybelieved a Mossad agent, I mean,
and then and had a mysteriousdeath himself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah, he just was found floating in the ocean.
Yeah, so his name was IanRobert Maxwell Born.
Jan Ludwig Hyman Benjamin Hawk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah, that one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
That yeah, czech-lithuanian-born British
media proprietor, politician andfraudster.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
After escaping Nazi occupation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
What I've always wondered about is, like, could I
become such a stinker that agovernment wants to employ me
for lots of money?
Because, like, like, there'sthese people like him, epstein,
um, and then.
But then you could go throughthe line of drawing a blank on
just others who like, or ingeneral, like cia assets and

(01:09:32):
people who are just like they're, just governments are just
employing, like the, thestinkeriest people because
they're, they're in the know,they're cutthroat, they've got
information.
No morals, they'll lie no moralsAll the way down to like.
You're on the streets.
Fentanyl dealer is your is yourC.

(01:09:54):
All the way up to like CEOs ofof fortune 500s are involved in,
like the cia, like okay, thislike anyways.
I don't think I could.
When I've wondered about itbriefly in the shower, when I
have my shower thoughts, I'mlike I couldn't make it happen
now that could I for the life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Here's why I couldn't do it.
Yeah you gotta.
You gotta sleep with people,huh I'm not good at that you
must be good at it.
You did it right three times atleast that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
All it takes is three times.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, my goodness um, yeah, no, I, that was the one
thing I always saw, you know,like in the movies, right, and
I'm like damn bro, all these CIAchicks and all these CIA dudes
have to sleep with people.
Sometimes they're freaking gross, you know.
It's like you see the CIA agentasset and she's sleeping with

(01:10:53):
some really fat Eastern Europeandude and he's some corrupt
politician and some you knowformer USSR nation, yeah, and
the dude sleeps with like 10prostitutes a day or like a week
, right, and it's like not onyour life.
Am I getting an STD for thefreaking mission?

(01:11:14):
Like I can't think of anythingat poor enough that I get an std
that's true, but also I thinkthat I can't if you're like you
have to stop.
You have to get the nuclearlaunch codes.
You must sleep with them to getknow where the codes are to
stop, like world war three.
By the way, he has gonorrhea.
I'd be like, fuck it.
Okay, we all go out together,call fred, smoke them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
If you got them, yeah we know fred's into that yeah
fred, yeah, no, but the um, Imean, and I think even besides
just the general mindset of that, the person who can do all that
, I can't do all that, not evenclose, not even close I'm more.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I'm more of a.
You know um?
Who's the actor that playsMichael Scott?
Again, steve Carell.
I'm more of a Steve Carell andget smart kind of spy, like
still a virgin at 40, justrecently lost 100 pounds, having

(01:12:14):
a lot of information in yourhead and getting lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
I like it.
That movie is great though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Just having a lot of information in your head and
getting lucky.
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
That movie is great though.
That movie's a good one.
It's a good one.
I watched it.
Mace Windu hadn't seen it.
We watched it like a month ago.
It's good and it just made methink where'd the PG-13 movies
go, the good ones, the PG-13ers?
The real good ones I thinkthose are.
They died with marvel, yeah andyep, and kind of like.
Uh, like, like gaffigan, jimgaffigan.

(01:12:42):
As far as comics go, you know,like now I'm not putting up
there with like the greats, butjust being like he became?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I think I think he became too political.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Well, yeah, but but I mean like old, get old school
gaffigan, meaning like I couldwatch this with my grandma.
Oh yeah, and it's real good.
Yeah, you know, that's all youknow for movies.
It's like, hey, I want to watchthis with my grandma.
I'm a seven-year-old, but ohyeah, I think, for when it comes

(01:13:12):
to we covered so many things to, we covered so many things.
Mostly, you know, we're talkingabout the human condition and
how we have this thing going on,which is huge powers, huge big
groups of people, Um, and thenall the way down to your
individuals, who are going toindividual to you know.

(01:13:33):
And then all the way down toyour individuals, who are going
to individual to you know, makea decision to you know, whatever
, Sleep, with the asset over tothe individual who doesn't know
where they're going to sleepthat next night because
governments are like I could bethat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I could do that.
Grow a beard out, you need tobe.
You need to be uh, you know aquestionably caucasian or arab
man sleeping in the streetspanhandling for money with your
little monkey?
Yeah, I'd be like deal.
Yeah, I can do that for years.
Just don't make me sleep withanyone.
Yeah, I know, I'm only gonnakiss my wife no, for sure, um
and then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
But I was kind of talking about like the gauze and
you can't find, like they gotnowhere to sleep that night oh,
you know, just like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Oh, I see, now I've made it a joke and I've totally,
I've totally disenfranchisedand undermined the moment no, no
, no, but I just thought we have.
What we're dealing with here issome just like I legitimately
thought you just meant like ifthe cia wanted me to be homeless
, right?
No?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
I, I could see where you could.
I was bringing all the way backto an hour and 40 minutes ago,
you know it's like yeah, but theum, uh like with our, we're
dealing with big old assgovernments and individual
people.
Individual people are part ofthe problem too.
They're making individualdecisions at high levels, right,

(01:15:01):
and so, um, yeah, I think it isscary.
Some of the, some of the, someof the stuff that trump's saying
I think is scary and hurtfuland nerve-wracking for people
and, at the very same token, um,it's been a year and a half

(01:15:22):
since this war started, thisspecific war, not even speaking
to a whole litany of otherconflict issues and conflict um,
and so we'll see how that goesover there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
He's, he's bitten off a lot and we I mean there's
what 200 executive orders rightto get into I think this is all
a distraction, so it's a lotless of a big deal when we get
greenland, yeah no kidding whichI'm honestly like.
If we get greenland buying land, bitches, I'm buying land in
greenland hell yeah.

(01:15:57):
Why do you think we'd buygreenland?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
um, oh, baby, yeah, yeah, oil, and uh you can nuke
russia real fast we can nukerussia real fast from alaska.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
It's faster from alaska than it is greenland I
don't know, I was looking at themap.
You can get the pointy top ofgreenland.
You can like you can get overthe top real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
That's not how the earth moves.
Earth goes East, like thereason the sun Rises east to
west, right, because the earthmoves towards the east and so
it's shorter to go from Alaskaand let the Rotation of the
earth Let it get to usAccelerate your rocket.
If you go from Greenland andlet the rotation of the earth
let it get to us Like, let therotation of the earth accelerate

(01:16:39):
your rocket, coriolis stuff.
If you go from Greenland, it'sactually harder to go up over
the top of the earth, which itis.
It's like less distance, right,but you're fighting like two
dimensions of movement, right,going up and over as well as a
spiral.
That's true, and it'd be easyto be off by a little bit.

(01:17:01):
Now no one's up there, so it'slike okay if you miss only santa
and his workshops up there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
No kidding, I guess oil is.
Yeah, oil makes sense you justgotta.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
It's literally probably gonna be one of those
things.
If we get greenland, it's gonnabe one of those like everyone's
gonna be able to buy like sixacres and like the lucky one in
a hundred that buy, that buysthat land, will have some that's
gonna have like oil or likewhere the pipeline's gonna run
through.
Dude, I swear, like if it'ssomething silly, like six acres

(01:17:32):
for 10 grand, hell yeah, hellyeah.
Bro, then I'll just go outthere and you know we'll build,
we'll drop, we'll drop little uhum shipping containers out
there and build a littleshipping container house I flew
over greenland once and I wasreally I was terrified why just

(01:17:53):
open snowy?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
land.
It's mountain-y, snowy, justlike nothingness.
For a very long time I was likeholy smokes.
This is, like no wonder, theclassic thing where you learn it
was Eric the Red or whoevercame from Iceland and named it,
or Leif Erikson or whichever onedid it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Named it Greenland to throw off people from his
treasure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I heard that he named it that to get people to come
with him the next time like heylike come to greenland that's
probably true like leave iceland, you know, yeah, and come to
greenland.
And so they went from iceland,which isn't nearly as bad as
greenland and they get togreenland.
they're like what the hell isthis?
Yeah, true, but um, I, flyingover it I was like I just I felt

(01:18:37):
, I just saw the empty vastnessand I felt tiny.
I felt tiny in myself.
But I guess, if it gives yousome oil shares, not a bad idea,
not a bad investment plan.
Like 50,000 people live inGreenland.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, and it's like 45 of those are in this one town
and it's giant.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
But then you like zoom in on Google Earth on
Greenland, you're like, oh, like45 of those are in this one
town and it's giant.
But then you like zoom in onGoogle Earth on Greenland, and
you're like, oh, that's whythere's only 50,000.
There's only like 50,000 placesto live.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Anyways, hey, ken, thanks for joining us,
appreciate you.
This episode became primarilyan episode on how things are
wrapping up in Israel andPalestine, and that's okay
because it makes sense.
It's kind of like a you know,these things come in threes
right, so that's a good thingyeah, yep, and I think we'll see

(01:19:28):
some, I mean, over the nextcouple months years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
We got to see some.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
There's going to be stuff changing over there yeah,
it'll be developing, buthopefully this is the conclusion
of this conflict.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, the ceasefire holds yep, because I originally
remember my original estimatewas on this war no I was like
they're cleaning it up in likethree weeks.
What did I say?
I don't remember.
All right, I'll listen to it.
I don't know if you threw oneout there or not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
You might have said longer and uh, I hope I was
right, just to be right, and youwrong yep, yep, um, but uh,
it's lasted quite a long time um, yeah, well, hey again, thanks
for joining us.
Folks, we appreciate you.
Leave comments like subscribe,all that stuff.
Tell us how wrong we are.
Honestly, we prefer you to just, you know, leave reviews on

(01:20:19):
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You know stuff like that.
Um, interesting enough, there'sa couple people who I saw left
comments and the comments gotdeleted I did you notice that I
deleted one comment?
Oh, you did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Okay, all right it was for a guy, it was a bot.
Um, I know you're trying towrap up the show, but it was for
a bot that was pointing peopletowards, like this book.
A guy wrote about the femaleorgasm hell yeah, and I'm not
talking about that, and but itwas a scam.
It doesn't work.
Anyways, deleted that comment.

(01:20:59):
Bad information from that guy,bro dude, that's funny.
There might have been othercomments that went down.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I don't know.
No, there was just some morestuff that were on other videos
and I can't tell if the peopledeleted them or if YouTube was
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