The Mick & Pat Show - Med Kit Break Down - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Sometimes it crashes but it always crashes before two
minutes.

Speaker 1 (00:03):
So do I.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Yeah, dude, just ask my wife.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Like a strike team.
He's in and out Projective gene.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Dude, did you get to go to the training?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yesterday yeah, all of it Was it sick.
I mean it was low-key from whatI'm used to, but it was good to
act like run scenarios in thebuilding that I've been wanting
to run scenarios in for a whileall right, but what you gotta
help me understand, like whatall was there, because I was
under the impression like itcould be cqb could be more
single task hostage rescue yeah,so.

(00:38):
So patrol level hostage rescue,as opposed to, like SWAT team,
designated floor plans laid out.
Hostage rescue like you get oneto four patrollers.
You got a one man, two man,four man team and by man I mean
all people, since it's the 21stgod dang century.
Um, running in like hey, youhere, you're here for a noise
complaint or you're here forthis level of thing, and all of

(01:00):
a sudden you hear a disturbancein the other room and hey, I've
got a hostage have gun.
If you walk in without awarrant, I'm killing this person
.
Do you now have use of deadlyforce authorized?
Can you cross the threshold?
All those things?
Can you pull the trigger onthat person?
Target threat identification,all that crap.
And it was nice because theyactually had Sims and people
masked up to where they could.

(01:20):
Actually, me and Pat and otherpeople could pull the trigger on
someone.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So did you guys fire Sims on people?
Yeah, was it chalk rounds?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I've been hit by plenty of Sims.
Dude it was the paint rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Paint rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, the new ones, the SimX, they fucking suck.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Get used to talking.
Lean forward or pull your miccloser to you.
There you go.
You can also lower your chairtoo, if you want.
If you can't hear yourself,you're not close enough to the
mic should I?
Oh, there it is how bad did thepaint rounds hurt?
I didn't get hit this time thelast time I did it.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
They drew blood on me , yeah, but they were embedding
themselves in the drywall yeah,just think of like an airsoft
round, like with a little bitmore beef behind it, because
there's actually a charge behindit.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
It's launched by the primer of a nine.
Yeah, so yeah, you stick ithere's.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Here's my opinion, though, having after being hit
by multiple sim rounds ofvarious calibers, I'm under the
opinion that nine mil hurts morethan five.
Five, six, just based on size,yeah, you would expect five,
five56.
5.56 goes through you so fast,you're probably not going to
feel it for a moment, but it's asim round and it's also charged
with a 9 mil primer.
Oh, you're talking about the?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
5.56 sims hurt less.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
It's the same amount of power just with more velocity
or more energy.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's a larger round and you're getting hit with like
a larger paint ball,essentially you mean to tell me
that there's that if we had 45sim rounds they'd hurt the most?
Fuck that that hurt speaking ofsim rounds yeah, no, they're.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh, they suck to get hit by, but they're really good
because you get.
You get the muzzle flash off ofthem.
They sting really bad and youcan hear them going by.
So it's good practice, it'sdope it's.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's better than like a blank firing adapter where
you don't know if your targetlands or yeah, it's better than
like bang, bang, bang, like Ihate friggin training.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I say bang, bang, bang.
Well, that's what we had to dofor cqb yeah, it definitely.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
It leaves a training score sometimes because, like
after doing a bunch of bang,bang bang, I was doing a Sims
day and I drew down on the guyand I said bang bang bang while
holding the Sim gun on him andhe just turned around and went
bang bang bang for real, he hitme.
I was like you, son of a bitch,he didn't kill me.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah that's hilarious .
Alright, I think we are going.
Oh, actually wait, hit the redbutton, hit the record button.
Now it's recording.
Great good thing, we doublechecked.
I'm not doing this twice, we'veonly had to do that once, I
think, where we had to record anepisode.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It was a very unfortunate episode to have to
re-record so was it like oldschool church where, when they
were recording the pastor, belike hey, I like first service
more, I like second service more.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
And they would tell you no, it was we were recording
the episode and we realized thedrive died and then pat was
like shit, none of that saved wewere like 45 minutes in yeah to
like, uh, like I guess probablylike the most intense I've
talked about like stuff about itwas just like we weren't.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
We were yeah, we weren't just like bs and we were
like getting into like realstuff, and it's like, oh no, oh,
this sucks can't fake it againexactly.
I just got through a part whereI'd really just express stuff
and it's like, well, I guess wejust have to do it over guess
I'm fake crying on this one, oneof the few times I've heard Pat
, not true.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Actually, it's one of the few times I've heard him
say the F word In front of a micIn anger, not in comedy.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Anyways, ken, if you're watching everybody, put
your hands in.
Put your hands in.
We have two guests with us.
There's four of us here in theMake it Past studio tonight.
We are joined by two of ourgood longtime friends, guys who
we have served in volunteerefforts and on our church

(05:17):
security team with for a longtime, guys who I've had the
pleasure of going through Biblestudy in college with, um, and
homies that I don't know whatabout what, I don't know what
we've done, done, but we've justbeen with each other for a long
time, um, but joined, uh, joinus tonight is rice aroni.
Rice aroni I'm gonna give abrief intro and you could

(05:39):
correct me, right, sweet, uh,but uh, rice aroni here started
his uh first responder career aslike an emt on a bus and is now
working fire down in denver I'mI'm in the uh greater denver
metro area as a firefighterparamedic great.
And then we have mac.

(06:00):
Mac, uh, and I met in college.
He was a freshman in a Biblestudy I was leading, and we've
just been buddies ever since.
And Mac followed me in somesuit to misery at the sheriff
department when I was a jaildeputy and Mac was, like you

(06:22):
know, this sucks and he got outright around the same time I did
, and that he found anopportunity, uh, to be a police
officer as well.
And, uh, now he's on patrol asa police officer.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Um, told me the jail sucked and I came right back in
behind you and I learned I don'tlike it yeah, I learned from
trying to convince you not towork as a jail deputy uh, that I
didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I didn't do enough, and so now I've been way more
brutal with a lot of other guyswho are like, yeah, I'll do that
for a little bit.
I'm like no you won't, you'lldo it for a long time the
pendulum swung the other way.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah it's a good job, though I mean, some
people do actually like it somepeople it is.
You get paid well to be ababysitter and hand toilet paper
to.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, you do get to be a glorified babysitter.
It is crazy because I remembertalking to a buddy of mine who's
a teacher locally and he wasconcerned about how some of his
students were going to be doingafter they graduated.
Because they were pretty, theywere on a fast track to ruin
their lives with their behaviorand thoughts of the world and

(07:30):
their actions and then, sureenough, I think, quite a few of
them ended up in the jail and itwas one of those things I'm
like wow, they went straightfrom being in a classroom in
high school to six months laterbeing in a classroom in jail and
the only thing that changed isthe teacher.
But anyways, with that, thanksfor joining us guys.

(07:54):
Also in the studio is my dog,takani, and Takani loves
Rice-A-Roni because Rice-A-Roniprobably smells like other dogs.
But also, since Takani's here,I brought some dog treats,
because they're they're driedduck jerky and beef liver and I
just kind of think they smellreally good and I thought, man,

(08:17):
I really want to try these andsee how they taste.
I think they smell good.
I think they smell a lot likeMac's cooking.
Mac used to cook up ducks andpheasants and rabbits.
So I figure we just kind of eachtake a nibble of a treat and
then we'll give to Connie therest of it.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Nibbles are for cowards, first off.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Also, what's what in here?
Are we eating the little cubesor the strips?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
The strips have to be the duck and the cubes are
definitely liver.
Is that what the deal is.
I guarantee it.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to free my dog.
My dog is freaking, tangledherself up in her leash.
Yeah, so the duck is the longstrips of jerky and the liver is
the cubes, and with the cubes,I think, the oh man Rice-A-Roni
just freaking.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
He's ready to do that , all right.
It's honestly better than anMRE, not kidding.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Dude, that kind of tastes exactly like, all right,
mac and Mig.
This is going to be confusingMixed thoughts, my thoughts.
Tastes just like, honestly, theshredded beef jerky in a can
yep, yep to be like a fakedipper, yeah this is unreal.
I can't believe my dog gets toeat like four of these a day was

(09:34):
that jack links that had thelike?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
you got it at home depot, the little big chew beef
jerky.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah that's exactly what that that doesn't taste
like duck one bit.
It does, it, does, it does yeahit absolutely tastes like duck.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
It tastes like the pieces of the duck that when I
cook it sat too close on thegrill and kind of fell off, got
a little overcooked.
Yep, that's exactly what it is,okay okay, all right now with
the cubes.
Don't eat the whole thing oh,I'm not planning to take a take
a nibble of the cube becauseit's.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
They're dense and they're dehydrated and I
actually don't want them to makeyou nauseous.
This duck is stuck in my feet.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And then Rice-A-Roni once again takes the entire
chunk.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Hand me the bag and I'll take a sip.
That's explaining that youshouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Shit my bad, I mean it wasn't like it's low in
supply.
He just didn't think you'd likeit.
There's also some duck in that.
I mean it has been marinatingin the same bag.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
But there's much more of like a duck breast in there,
you know.
Oh yeah, there's a duck fat.
I taste it.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh wow, I like the fatty taste of it.
It doesn't.
It's, of course, dry, yeah, butit tastes beefy to me this
smells like a hermit crab cage.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Valid.
I absolutely can see that and Iwish I didn't, because still,
mmm it's in, the palate, sticksaround anyways, okay, all right,
well, pat do you think ittastes bad?

Speaker 5 (10:51):
it's the hermit crab remark that's really sticking it
.
Yeah, I'm a brain.
It's that stale, that olfactory, mmm, mmm.
Well, yeah, why'd you have todo that?
Because I'm giving an honestreview of these dog treats were
munching on here's my thing.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mostly just want to try this and know like if I was
in a situation, could Iactually stomach some dog food?
And I think I could.
I don't think I'd get dog foodkibbles, but if I went to Petco
and there was a bunch of dogtreats.
I'd grab them and these thingsare like pretty shelf-stable.
You know it's stuck in my faketooth.

(11:26):
Yeah, I've got some pieces.
I like it.
I kind of like it.
I'm honestly just like using mytongue to dislodge it and it's
kind of yummy.
Rice.
Aroni's looking over here likehe wants seconds the way he's
looking at the street back theway I'm packing this call dude
I've.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I've eaten some weird food in some weird country, so
whatever that's true, rice aroni.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
While I'm packing this kong to occupy sweet to
Connie, how about you give us abackground, because you're also
National Guardsman, right, orsomething like that, airman.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Close enough.
I'm an Air Force Reservist forover a decade now, nice, with
some cool experiences in there.
United States Air Force UnitedStates yes.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Not the Iraqi United Emirates.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, I've been over there and I don't want to fly
with those guys.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Ooh, this is holding.
The aftertaste is holding on.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Really, I just had a delicious large sandwich from
Firehouse Subs and I thoughtthis would ruin that taste, that
palate, but I think it tastedfine.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
It's all stuck in my molars real bad.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh, speaking of molars, I found out that, uh, I
gotta go to the endontisttomorrow because yesterday I've
been having tooth pain for likea decade or something and the
previous dentists have, uh, notbeen doing a good job keeping up
with it.
There's like yeah, here's somemeds, it'll get better.
Yeah, no, I fractured my jawand my tooth back in my rugby
days in high school oh my goshjust now getting diagnosed jaw

(12:51):
and tooth yeah, so they'reeither pulling it or root canal,
or they don't know yet.
But uh, I'll find out tomorrow,wow dang yeah well hopefully it
resolved.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's rowdy I'm gonna go ahead and grab our
first things, but resolve,that's rowdy.
I'm gonna go ahead and grab ourfirst things, but ideally
people know what they're herefor because of the title of the
video.
Uh, or the podcast episode onspotify.
If you're not watching, onyoutube, there will be video for
this where we're going throughall the products and breakdowns
of the various kits.
But, uh, pat, how about you goover what we're here to do
tonight while I grab our firstroll out of uh equipment?

Speaker 5 (13:24):
no for sure.
Yeah and uh, it's uh, I'mexcited to have you guys in here
.
This is this is the first mickand pat show where we've got
four, four people in the room,so that's kind of fun.
You know, we've got, uh, we'remaxing out the guest list where
our sound equipment's kind ofthat's all I can handle.
And it's fun too because, uh,for you listeners uh, rice Roney

(13:45):
is our longest time listenerbecause we sent him the pilot
episodes to listen through andgive us feedback on what was
going on.
We go back to high school, sowe're close and we've got all
sorts of lots of fun memoriesand stuff.
So glad to have both you guyshere and the tonight.
What we've been talking aboutfor a while is, you know,
wanting to do first aid, ifacbreakdowns, kind of what do you

(14:09):
put in your kit?
Why do you put it in your kit?
And, and for differentapplications as well.
Because there's obviously, ifyou're just driving around in
your truck and you're civilian,like what do you need in your
car?
Like what do you need in yourcar, versus if you're a medic on
an ambulance or on a fire truck?
Or if you're a cop rollingaround, what do you have on you

(14:31):
to take care of yourself or youknow, or your other officers
around you, and so kind of somedifferent applications,
different uses, uses.
It's.
It's going to be a lot of thesame pieces of gear for the most
part of the key things, because, um, really, uh, there's only
so much you can do before yougotta just get to the hospital

(14:51):
and have, yeah, surgeons takeover, you know right, and so the
and we'll get into some of thatas well.
As far as the um thought processbehind why you do what you do,
and you can prepare as much asyou want your med kits to be,
but at the same time, like lotsof people get interested in
preparing like apocalypse medkits, but like some of those

(15:16):
things aren't even going to helpyou because even if you can
depressurize your collapsed lung, like then what are you going
to do?
There's no antibiotics, there'sno surgeons, whatever it's like
really like in a realisticfashion, like what should you
have with you?
What's the things to not skimpout on?
What are the things that youmaybe can go a little more
budget on?
And, yeah, definitely one ofthe things to not go budget on

(15:39):
at all, because you wantsomething that's not going to
fail in that situation.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, so that's kind of what we're going to break
down with each other tonight andlearn some stuff, yeah, and I
got our kind of first set ofstuff, but I figured we'd go
through a lot of these med kits.
When I buy them, they come, ofcourse, pre-packed, and so one
of them, I feel like, covers alot of bases, bases, bases, base

(16:02):
eye, if you will.
Yeah, and we kind of brought uhboth you know mac and rice
around here.
Rice around, he has a lot moreuh specialty knowledge for
medical products and stuff andhas seen it used a lot more and
used a lot more.
But also mac, as you know, gotwhat he carries on him daily and
has also seen quite a bit ofyou know who you know.

(16:25):
I think you've probably seen agood amount of the philosophy of
the condom right.
Better having it and not needit than to need it and not have
it.
And you've probably seen a lotof people who don't have it and
have to wait for EMS to getthere, right.
So, anyways, all that said,first up, this is going to be a
bag coming out of a basicallylike tactical med kit that I got

(16:50):
off of GovX.
It comes in a really niceexcuse me like molly nylon pouch
that zippers up with quick pullaway tab.
But there's a lot of stuff inhere and I imagine a lot of it.
Rice-a-roni is going to be cool.
You don't need that Cool.
That doesn't need to be in yourIFAC every single day, let

(17:13):
alone a unit that you're goingto be using on someone else.
And we'll get into the varioustypes of med kits.
Ifac, for people who don't know, stands for Individual First
Aid Kit, and the reason you havethat is not so much to use it
on others, it's so that way, ifyou become injured, you can use
it on yourself or direct someoneon how to use those materials

(17:35):
on yourself, whereas you know amed kit or a triage bag is more
designed around you using it toaid others.
So this is an ifac kit, right?
The?
The pouch isn't over here rightnow because we'll get into the
pouches and all that later andorganizing is set out.
But uh, rice, aroni and mac,it's all yours to open this up.

(17:56):
Feel free to go through.
Please take the time to explain.
You know each thing, as you seeit, what it is, because you
know a lot of people watchingthis have no idea what any of
this stuff is.
They've never seen it outsideof, possibly, an ambulance.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
And he goes for the staple first.
I do have one thing I want tosay on top of that.
Like I have a couple ofdisclaimers, not like legally,
but first and foremost I've beenrunning calls.
I've been on ambulances, firetrucks, I've been in bear cats,
I've been in multiple countriesdoing shit for over 10 years now
.
What I say as the tokenparamedic in this situation is

(18:34):
not gospel truth.
You know, there's a lot ofopinions out there.
There's a lot of knowledge, alot of internet warriors out
there that have an opinion.
What I'm coming to you withtoday, ken, did I did I do that
well?
Did I say ken right?
yes, oh, yeah, yeah ken what I'mcoming with you at ken is my
perspective, my uh, my studies,my experiences, um, and, and

(18:57):
nothing more.
You know, a lot of this isopinionated too.
So if I say this is bullshit,don't buy it.
Maybe Maybe buy it.
That's on you, you know.
And another thing as well isthat your gear does not matter
if you don't train with it andif you're not fucking fit like
bottom line I was talking to, Iwas talking to with Mick and Pat

(19:18):
a few months ago, like one ofthe first things I do with my
gear, like learning how to cutwith trauma shears, right, I go
and either run a five carry, doa hundred burpees before I use
it, because when the stress hits, when the adrenaline's high,
when you're out of breath,that's when you're going to want
to train with this stuff.
Because if you're using this inreal life, I promise you you're
going to be all elevated andworked up.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Oh, yeah, for sure, and I think one thing for you
too is, as you're speaking toSteph, we're also acknowledging,
like we might talk aboutperforming medical procedures on
other people that you may notbe allowed to do yes right and
so we are going to like anddifferent states have different

(20:01):
rules.
We have the what's the what'sthe law?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Good Samaritan law here.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Some protections.
But anyways, all that to saywhat we say here it's on you to
go figure out if you're allowedto do that or not and then
choose for yourself in asituation if you're going to do
it or not.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Example A I'm the only one in this room allowed to
use this.
I know for a fact.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, we'll talk about that later fact, yeah,
we'll talk about the only onecertified to use it.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah, any, any monkey can usethat if I show you how.
But hey, legally, yeah, as wego over that.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
We have we.
You know we'll take time toanswer all those questions and
stuff, but uh, rice around agood good.
Um, what would I say?
that is acknowledgementdisclaimer yeah good, disclaimer
, um, and I hope people arelooking at this through the lens
of, like you know, this is justan opportunity to learn, um,
and have these things explainedto you and kind of hopefully

(20:52):
save you some money, um, frombuying things that you don't
really need.
Uh, cause I know there's.
I purposely brought things thatare going to be what will grab
someone's eyes and attention oflike, oh, I should probably get
that good, just so that way wecan hear from people with
experience and certificationsand such that late as Joe Schmo,

(21:14):
if you need this, like you, youdefinitely might want to wait
till someone who's qualified andknows what they're doing is
there to use it, because if youneed it, you don't want to fuck
it up.
Um, so, anyways, all that said,bryce aroni, mac, please dig in
yeah, uh, one of the thingsthat that really brings.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I mean, he is an emt, so he's got a much higher level
of care that he can providethan your average patrol officer
.
I'm a freshly minted instructoron tactical casualty care, so
I'm my first class but, it allcomes down to just stop the
killing and then stop the dying.
You run in there and you makeholes and then you start

(21:56):
plugging holes and that's reallyall the base level and that's
one level above.
Base is the tactical casualtycare.
It comes down to what mostpeople die from.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's blood loss.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's all we do.
We just stop the bleeding.
But then the EMTs get there andthey get a little bit more
advanced.
They'll move them to thehospital where they'll actually
fix them.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
We're just trying to stop the dying.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well and I think that's a good point, though, a
lot of people, when you say stopthe bleed, bro, you got to keep
in mind majority of people haveno idea.
There is a lot of rumors, a lotof myths around medical
treatment right, and a lot ofstuff that's wrong when they
learned it when they were infifth grade 40 years ago.
That's now different today, orit was wrong when they learned
it a year ago and now there'snew stuff coming out right.

(22:45):
So, anyways all that, how aboutyou guys go piece at a time,
set it aside, give your thoughtson it whatever it is, but just
start going one at a time andthen, as you set things aside
and go through it, we'll putthem back in the bag.
We got plenty more to go into,so don't spend too much time
here, right?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
but uh, take it away, mick I'll start with the most
important part is the gloves.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You cheated to the camera.
Cheated to the camera.
Absolutely Raise it up.
Gloves, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Always have gloves and have a ton of them, because
AIDS, exactly.
Hepatitis has been plenty oftimes where we've gone there,
dealt with people and halfwaythrough treating them, they're
like oh, by the way, I'm HIVpositive, so it would really

(23:32):
suck if, uh, you saved someonebut then you have a lifelong
disease.
It really suck even more ifthey died and then you got a
lifelong disease for nothing.
So that is I I fill a littlepouch on my belt with nitrite
gloves and then I keep a wholebunch more in my pockets.
The one thing you can disagreeif you want.
We don't use the black ones, weuse the blue ones the blood
sweep.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I know that's kind of a myth, dude.
If you get blood on your gloves, you're gonna fucking know.
We run black gloves where I'mat and, like the last shooting
we had where six people got shot, it was very clear and evident
and it was at 1am.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I will say this I have not had enough experience
with black or blue gloves totell the difference of blood on
it, but I have heard the bluestuff as well, which is also you
know, I think that's a techmyth as well.
I hear about the blood light.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Now there's a special flashlight that has like a blue
LED that helps you pick upblood easier than if it was like
a white led.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
This isn't csi, this is pre-hospital care.
No, I'm, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying, though,like if people were like oh,
you need this 300 flashlight sothat way you can tell where the
bleeding's at.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm like bruh, like if a homie's bleeding I think
any color light is gonna be ableto tell you like where he's
bleeding.
They need an ultrasound and asurgeon before they need that
light.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Anyways, cool Alright .
Next piece of gear.
We're going to keep runningthrough it.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
I carry red gloves.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
You just never know Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Whenever they are bleeding.
In these types of situations,it's enough that you can hear it
, you don't even have to see it.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
This right here is an NPA, nasal pharyngeal airway.
So what this is right here it'sthis little trumpet, and when
someone has either overdosed orhad a seizure or is having any
sort of breathing problems andthey got that low, slow, like
snoring respirations, you canput this in their nose
preferably the right nairactually, which is anatomically

(25:23):
bigger, and you can helppassively oxygenate.
This bypasses the mouth andhelps them breathe when they're
in that like kind of positionyeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Okay.
What about, like, if they'relike coughing bubble blood, will
that help at all to kind ofkeep the airway open?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
well, the first complication there's going to be
asphyxiation from blood intothe lungs, right like choking on
your own blood.
Um, so rolling them on theirside is a really good maneuver
there.
Um, I wouldn't necessarilythink that this is needed for
most people, because this isused in conjunction with
positive pressure ventilation orthat bag valve mask you see on

(26:00):
the shitty tv shows.
Yeah, this allows passivemovement of air through this
little hole right here, so Iwouldn't necessarily say this is
an essential what if we say letme, let me give you guys three
tiers of classifying thingsgloves are a must.
That's baseline okay.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is like have these
available in any medical firstaid kit are?
We starting a tier list here no, not a tier list, but just like
what should be in which bagright so like basic medical kit
all the way up to you know,whatever like must have should
have, you really not.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
No, no, let me finish .

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Let me finish put this in all your med kits.
Right, put the gloves in allyour med kits.
Done this one, put it in justthe ifac.
Put it in like the like.
Don't even bother carrying it.
This is something thatprofessionals should have, or in
every med kit.
You know what I mean.
That's kind of what I'mthinking when it comes to like
levels of like skill and likeuse case.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Pros only is my vote on this, and I personally have
this at our church security bag.
I have a few of these, butthat's also because I have that
bag valve mask with us at thechurch and there's a handful of
us that are trying to use itcool, I will say I did put my
own in.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I did it to myself with some lube and I will say,
if I'm bleeding and shaking, I'mgonna let someone else do it
the gag reflex is strong.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yes, I've seen people overdosing, slapping at it.
Yeah, you've already run threeNarcan doses and they're it gets
back in there, quit killing myvibe and for unique use case.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Now, you really shouldn't have this maybe on
hand for kids, but in a casewhere I had a kid who had
potential for their tonguebasically falling to the back of
their throat or for otherthings being collapsed and not
being able to breathe, and sothis is actually something we
had on hand for her as well.
He has a little tiny baby,which the doctors had for us too

(27:56):
, which is like in case weneeded to get air into her, into
her lungs, and so there couldbe, but it wasn't this size, it
was baby size.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
No, that's like small to medium adult size.
Yeah, so 28 French.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah.
So there are, like there'ssuper unique use cases as well
where, like we just had that onhand, like at the house you know
, or whatever.
So and then I'll say too, itfor it doesn't take up that much
room either.
So like in your IFAC, like it'snot that it doesn't take up
that much room either, so inyour IFAC it's not that it
doesn't take up much space,right.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
And there's always this consideration too, your
IFAC right.
It's meant to be used on youhypothetically If you want a
professional to use it on you goahead and bring it.
Although they're going to havea bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Next one.
We got so much to get through.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
We know what this is, everybody should them.
Next one we got, we got to get.
We got so much to get through.
We know what this is.
Everybody should know what thisis.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Hold it up to the camera so they get they know and
take it out of the goddamnwrapper.
Well, okay, all right.
Hey, my, my, my, just so youknow my actual med kits.
I have them stocked in them.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
This is a pre-packaged thing, right very
high stress situation would suckto have to work through this
yeah, imagine you got bloodyblack gloves right now and
you're trying to open up thiswrapper and you got someone
losing like several hundred mlof blood per minute.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That is uh, it is extremely time sensitive when it
comes to doing tourniquetdrills.
Make sure you can do it fast,make sure you do it right, first
of all, but do it fast.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
That might have to be a separate thing, like going
over actually applying itproperly.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
We're not yeah, we're not gonna go through like like
how to apply or anything likethat tonight, just over what the
gear is and if it should beconsidered do not buy
tourniquets on amazon.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Buy through a reputable source.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna say these are, uh, north american
rescue, um, which, for anyonewho's like North American Rescue
, just got taken to court, yadayada.
That lawsuit was thrown outjust so everyone knows, because
they did prove that everythingis very compliant and made in
the USA in quality gear and toverify how they're made in legit

(29:59):
tourniquets, please tell us.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
So we have this red tab right here.
Gen 7 is the most recent G7right there.
So that's showing us that wehave this red tab right here.
Gen 7 is the most recent g7right there.
So that's showing us that we'reum accurate.
There's a few other things aswell I'm not going to get into.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Um, just make sure you secure the win list when
you're done twisting the biggestthing I've heard is, if you
flip it over to the plastic onthe back side, that the chinese
knockoffs will be mostly slick.
Yes, and they won't have thisprinting.
This is actually raised.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yes, so this is raised.
Text right here Hold up.
You can see there's a tactilething going on there the Chinese
ones, since there's like alittle tension system in here,
it's like a bungee cord.
Essentially they'll actuallyfail, the Chinese crap ones.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I actually just had that on the last IFAC training I
did.
We had the Chinese one snapwhen we were putting them on and
you said they every time, ohyeah, every time they snapped.
Well before we got to like realforce, I had a buddy of mine
named Cake and he threw a realtourniquet on my leg when we
were doing a scenario and, dude,I yelped to the freaking moon

(31:02):
when he set that thing secureand the Chinese ones always
broke before they got to thatpressure.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Also, color doesn't matter.
If you see orange ones, go forit, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I have orange and black, just for different needs,
sure, but yeah Cool.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Next.
Thing.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Very simple, very easy.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Just turn off the blood valves and for our tiering
.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
that'd be like every kit the blood valves and for our
tearing.
That'd be like every kit.
Yeah, you gotta have it ineverything yeah, okay, have that
in your car have that at fourin your car, yeah, or else
you'll be using a belt and itwon't be nearly as tight,
because that thing.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
You're not improvised tourniquets do not work over 90
of the time yeah, that's data.
That's not me spewing out mymouth.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's like that is absolutely.
Use that, because or else youare just barely slowing down,
you're not turning the faucetoff yeah you're turning it down,
yeah, and you're still gonnadie, like a lot of times they
teach us, on legs especially,you will be applying two
tourniquets yeah yes, because itis a massive artery in there.

(32:00):
There's a lot of it and a lotof flesh and other stuff in the
way and you have to applypressure from the tourniquet to
the artery.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
I wish I had a diagram, but if this is the
tourniquet, this is the arteryand this is bone, you have to
pinch those all together againsta bony structure.
So don't do it across the jointand don't do it across the
abdomen or the neck and be dumb.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
But we can go over that another time yeah, we got,
we got plenty of medical things,yeah that you'll see that you
can then kind of come back to belike hey, remember when we said
don't put a tourniquet on theknee or elbow?
Here's maybe what you'd stuffin there instead yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
You're kind of trying to like strangle someone with
two pillows around your hand,like you're not gonna get a very
good steal unless you got areally tight yeah all.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Did you purchase this or did I give this to you?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
No, this came in the two med packs that I purchased
for, like you know, the tacticalrip away and zipped up molly
packs.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Can I open this up and get you a new one?
Yeah, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
If you will get me a new one.
I'd love that, because I knowthe only way I can get them is
by getting another one of thosemed packs.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Sure, so this is also a North American rescue product
.
I really like these guys a lot.
However, I dislike this one inparticular because it's a
smaller one.
This is a 14 gauge needle,decompression needle.
This is a pre-hospital solutionfor a chest tube.
So if you have a collapsed lungfrom a gunshot or chest trauma

(33:25):
in a car accident or evenspontaneously like these things
happen, to our lung yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Happened to me once, really.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Decompress lung just randomly Straight random
Spontaneous pneumothorax 17years old If you're blonde,
blue-eyed, tall, and skinny.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
You're Aryan.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
There's a.
Whoa and for whatever reason,they see that happen, and it can
happen.
Yeah, your lung can justdeflate on you.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yep.
So this is what we use toreinflate the lung, like we're
talking paramedics and some EMTson the Army combat medic side
as well.
So we'll take it, we'll put itin a particular space, draw this
out and this will actuallychange the pressure, um, in your
chest and compared to thepressure in the atmosphere.

(34:12):
So there's a negative pressureinside your chest and this helps
, uh, reinflate the lung to anextent.
Now, why I don't like this onein particular is because it's 14
gauge.
It's really thin and gettingair in and out of this it's
really like a small amount ofair.
The ones that I like are 10gauge or bigger.
Um, they're finding that 14gauges have to.

(34:36):
I'm getting way into the weedson this, but no, you're fine,
you're fine the 14 gauge ones.
You need to reinflate the lung.
You have to use multiple ofthese, and so in the combat
medic setting which I'm not acombat medic they will
decompress the lung and thentape another one right at the
site where they justdecompressed, because they know
they're gonna have to do another.
Switch it out.
Well, they're gonna have to doanother one.
Oh okay, think about it.
You have your open mouth that'staking in atmospheric pressure,

(34:59):
yeah, and you have this guytrying to compensate and
reinflate the lung.
The mouth is least resistance.
It's like if you have afireplace and the door to it is
approximately one foot by onefoot and then you put a carb in
there, that's about the size ofa golf ball.
Path of least resistance is outthat one foot by one foot and

(35:21):
you're going to smoke out thatone foot by one foot.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
But if you have a bigger hole, you're going to be
able to have a more laminar flowof gases.
And just help me with makingsure I'm going over like a lot
of the preconceived myths andnotions.
Right, but the idea is is theconcept that you are piercing
the cavity around the lung totake the pressure from the

(35:45):
cavity away from the collapsedlung, or are you piercing the
lung itself?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
to re-inflate.
You're not piercing the lung.
However, there's a lot of caseswhere people are sending these
nice and deep and they'reactually hitting the lung right
here.
Yeah, and that's actually notthat bad of a thing, because
this little tiny pinhole like ifI were to poke a hole in my
finger right now I'd bleed alittle bit, but it's not doing
like big, large damage- it's notmore damage than like your lung

(36:09):
can handle and heal from.
Yeah, If your lungs alreadycollapsed and you sink this all
the way to the lung and you gobink.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I'm pretty sure if your lung has a rib in it, it's
going to be okay if that'spoking it.
But anyways, that is one thingthat I've heard from a lot of
people where their misconceptionis.
They think that this is topierce the lung and inflate the
lung.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, you're trying to restore the negative pressure
back into the intrathoraciccavity, where the lung is housed
.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
That's something that I didn't know until it happened
to me, just as a kid.
Inside your body, it's a vacuum.
Essentially, there's all this,and so I didn't realize that
myself, and all of a sudden, oneof the ones, my lung collapsed.
I learned a lot about it.
You know, but but the the factthat, yes, you're, you're

(36:54):
getting, you're trying tobasically restore that vacuum as
best you can, you know to, to,to allow, allow the air out.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm going to transform.
This is now, thanks Rice-A-Roni.
This is now a training one andI'm just going to use it for
training, to show people what.
It is All right, butRice-A-Roni and Mac, any other
comments on that?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I've never even seen that.
That's well beyond my dumb cop.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, so then where do we put it?
In regards to which equipmentdoes it fall into?
Is this your everyday medicalbag that's available in your car
or in your house?
Does this go in your IFAC?
Does this go in?
Leave it to the professionals.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
I would exchange that for another tourniquet.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
See, that's where I disagree, actually, because they
come in standard med kits andthose shits are expensive.
Um, if, as a cop man, if youhave that in your ifac and I
show up on scene, I'm gonna beable to use it on you, but I
also have one in my bag, so,like there's that especially if
it's one of those things youwant more than one of to
effectively use.
Sure, so there's allconsiderations right one is none

(38:03):
.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Two is one, right, cool, all right.
So what would you say,rice-a-roni, for the people who
are out there and like, ooh, Ididn't buy that because I didn't
think I needed it.
And then the dude who has sixin his med bag?
What do you think the rule ofthumb is?

Speaker 3 (38:17):
There's no right or wrong answer on this.
That's where it's tough.
All right, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I know I would lead on the side of don't.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
okay, don't carry it leave it to the professionals to
apply and have on them, butit's commercially readily
available.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's not a regulated product but it's a very
controlled procedure I will sayit is a rather controlled
product from what I saw for likethe like consumer medical
purchase like.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
I only saw them in pre-packaged kits, right, I
never saw them sale individuallyon like govx and stuff yes, if
you go, if you decide to go fullcowboy and use this, you can
stick it in someone's heart,yeah or liver.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
It's very common to stick it in the liver which is
highly vascular, lots of blood,I mean now that we got to that
one too, my question for you howmany people do you see have the
tattoo in the right place oflike poke here with the little x
?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
never seen that tattoo in my life.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Oh really yeah I'm debating getting it just so,
that way, in worst case scenario, I can tell someone like don't
fuck it up, I'll show you rightthere, I'll mark it for you with
the sharpie, then you'll get it.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, funny until the cartel captures you, and then
they just stab you well, if theystab me right there it'll be
all right.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, I'm just kidding um, but it was funny.
I was talking to billy jeanabout it and I was like, yeah,
what if we get like matchingtattoos?
That is just like the x withthe circle, same in case of you
know like cavity collapse anddeflate along, poke here.
And billy jean was like I'm notgetting that.
Like I, I wear a bikini on thebeach, like that's not the
tattoo I want.
Like on my body and she's likeI might do something where it's

(39:45):
like you know a butterfly withlike a you know that dash,
dashed line going to it and it'slike poke in the you know
between the butterfly's wings orsomething.
I'm like okay, all right,whatever, like that's fine, um,
anyways, all right.
Next product you're up.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
We're doing pretty good on the tit for tat, I'll
keep letting you take all thefancy stuff, and I'm going to
keep taking the most basic stuff, because that's kind of where
our expertise lies.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Here's the thing, though, man, we're an eclectic
group with an eclectic audience.
I think that's fine.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
The stuff that you use or have been trained on is
fine to grab onto, yeah, andthat's.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean, we've been trained on this since
kindergarten.
Kindergarten it was just, uh,you know, kind of rounded at the
edges.
But trauma shears are absolutemust.
It is super important forgetting stuff out of the way.
Um, I've used them for I mean,especially like if you're going
to use a ed for cutting jewelryoff.
Um, confirmed these will gothrough, especially most people

(40:39):
wearing soft metals like gold orsterling silver.
They're also just nifty.
They're nifty for a lot ofother little tasks.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I remember when they used them on me I was in like
three layers as a kid had likethe you know, your undergarment
insulating layer, your longunder layer your long johns, and
then the like like relax, notsnow pants, pants, comfort pants
, and then your snow pants overit, and when I broke my femur

(41:09):
and my leg was, you know, upsidedown, like all right, we got to
see this kid's bleeding andlike just hemorrhaging, and so I
remember watching them and Iwas scared because I was like,
oh, scissors, and I knew wheremy leg was broken towards my
lean yeah, I was, I hadunwrapped my leg from the tree
and I knew the fracture was uptowards my wiener and I

Speaker 2 (41:27):
was like you ain't getting that close with those
ready for your secondcircumcision?
Yeah, exactly and uh.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
But I was shocked man , they, they grabbed one pair
and went through like all threelayers, like it was nothing,
they're awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
You just kind of have that little bit on the bottom
to glide along stuff.
Keep it off the bottom andthey're, they're sharp, they're,
I don't know what.
Do you know what they makethese out of?
Like what kind?

Speaker 3 (41:46):
of steel.
It is stainless chinese steel.
Yeah well, it's honestly justlike the bevel and the thickness
of it.
It's nothing too fancy, like mybench made knife will go
through things, but it's meantto go through things with
precision.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
This is meant to go through things grossly and like
broadly and I guess, uh, forpeople who are going to look
online after this and they'regoing to see a pair of trauma
shears for 399 and they're goingto see a pair for 60, 60.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, if you're looking at x sheer, which is the
brand I use, I freaking lovethem.
Do you recommend them?
Not sponsored?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
well, okay, but you know you can recommend them.
But then I would say like,where's that line go of?
Like hey, that's actuallyprobably not worth it because it
might cut through one pair ofjeans but you're not getting
through other stuff.
Versus like yeah, how like?
Because because I, when Iremember when I first looked at
it, messaged you a few years agoand I was like dude, what do I
buy?
And you were like that's trashyou're gonna have to throw away

(42:40):
after one garment.
Those are great.
You can cut through like ahundred things without having to
sharpen them again yeah, it'sup to you.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
You know, north american rescue makes a pair of
like 10 or 15 dollar shears thatcan be used for multiple rounds
.
Those are the ones I have.
Yeah, the black north americanrescues are awesome and they
look incredibly similar to thisa little bit longer.
Just a quick little like eaglestamp on it.
Sorry, I'm moving on the mic alot um the x shears I have.
I've cut off hundreds ofclothes with, haven't sharpened

(43:10):
or touched them nice, cool.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
So if you're in the business of cutting, get them
yeah and if it's gonna, ifyou're not you can use these.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I would say one to three uses and you'll get away
with it, which is what an ifax?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
design for so yeah, that's fine.
Cool Actually.
You just grab the package.
Will you put them back in, so Ican put them then back in the
big bag?
Yep, thanks, man.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
See, I'm left-handed and the scissors don't work as
well.
Dude, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
No, that's just your ape hands.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
No, I in general.
Have you guys ever tried to cutany scissors using your left
hand?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, God didn't mess up when he made me.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
It is horrible because just the way that your
fingers push across the applypressure with your left hand,
they actually take the bladesapart.
It's a nightmare.
So I want to find some leftyshears what I'm saying is I
wonder if they make left-handedscissors.
I wonder if they make leftyshears.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Let me talk to my buddies at XShear, which I'm not
sponsored by.
I've just happened to do somework with them.
Why can't you be?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
sponsored.
You're not on the podcast, butyou could say you're sponsored
by them because, it's yourcareer.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I'm not sponsored by Exure.
I have done some work with themand have some relationships
there.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Great, Because it is like I don't know if that's a
super niche issue, right, but Iwonder if any left-handed
paramedics have run into thatbeing like I just cut with my
right hand Because it doesn'tcut when I use my left hand.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You're in the back of an F-450 moving 60 miles an
hour down the road.
Man, there's going to becomplications, no matter what.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
No for sure.
But if you can't even cut apiece of paper, not moving, you
know.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
We got to keep going, we got to keep going we got
lots to get through.
I got to keep you guys on track.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I'm going to go with this one because I recommended
this one.
I'm taking this out of thepackage for you because it's
worth it.
So what this is is a Sam splint.
It's 36 inches long.
Unlike me, there's also a 48inch long option, so three to
four feet and this unrolls intoa four inch strip.
It's actually aluminum in here,so it's malleable.
With some styrofoam on the top,you can concave it.

(45:27):
You can fold it on itself.
It's very, very cool like it'llhold its shape.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It's really good for fractures.
Do your thing.
I was just gonna flatten itagain and hold it up so people
can kind of see how itself-guides you like you don't
need to be an emt to know how toshape this.
No, this is like it holds yourhand the whole way.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
This is soccer mom medicine, right.
Like we have tactical paramedic, we've got surgeon.
All that stuff at the verybottom is soccer mom medicine,
right.
Like we have tactical paramedic, we've got surgeon all that
stuff At the very bottom issoccer mom stuff.
I've used this on my ownbrother-in-law when he broke his
arm.
Like this stuff is amazing.
I've actually eaten a bowl ofcereal in the wilderness out of
this.
I turned it into a little bowl.
I was backpacking.
I had this.

(46:00):
You can take the trauma shearsactually and cut down this super
easy and make small, littlecompact things.
Sam splints, I think you're 10ish bucks.
I'd have to look.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I think that I think I got him Like a group discount
of like eight bucks a piece.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, sounds right.
I like this for multitude ofuse Because it's reusable.
Ish, obviously, you bend thecrap out of aluminum enough
times, it's gonna, like lose itstensile strength.
Um, it's great for orthopedicinjuries.
It's great for riggingsomething up, um, whether you're
like, particularly in thebackcountry.
So my like, wilderness,wilderness hunting all those

(46:38):
things.
This is an absolute must for me.
If I'm on the streets or if I'mjust running around in daily
life, this is not a necessity.
If I'm going, my gray man me.
If I'm on the streets or if I'mjust running around in daily
life, this is not a necessity ifI'm going, my gray man ifac,
I'm probably not bringing ityeah, I have one of these at our
church because, uh, there havebeen some orthopedic injuries at
the church.
I don't know if we've used one,but for eight dollars to have
such a useful thing, I'm onboard oh yeah, 100.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, I've actually seen quite a few uh firsthand
stories.
I don't know if they were bysam, that was like sponsoring it
but they uh of just people whouse them while they were like
mountain biking or hiking andwere like yeah, so like I put
the splint on and I splinted astick to my leg right and I was
able to like hobble back to mycar six miles downhill or

(47:23):
whatever it's super lightweighttoo.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
That thing must weigh like I wanted to measure it,
not even a pound.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I was going to measure it in grams, yeah but
and the other good thing topoint out about that a lot of
people that are buying these medkits are probably expecting to
use it for an active shooter orsomething crazy, super intense.
But for every active shooterthere are 20 hikers that fall
and break their leg, yeah, andanother 50 car accidents where
people get mangled yeah, that'sthe stuff that you're going to

(47:53):
run into.
So stuff like that is superuseful, because that's we're
going to come across and you'rejust as dead if you can't walk
out of your hike as you are ifyou get shot cool.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
You will end up dehydrated, with altitude
sickness or whatever the crap,depending on where you're at
right.
Medical emergencies exist muchmore than trauma emergencies all
right next one, next.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Thing oh, let's uh go with.
I'm gonna do the quick clot ohum pretty much.
I mean, you don't even need itto be quick clot brand or even a
combat stop bleeding gauze.
The amount of blood that I mean.
I don't know if you have adifferent opinion on this.
I say just some sort ofsomething to pack wounds with um

(48:36):
, because the way it works is ifyou are losing blood from a
limb, you tourniquet it.
If you lose blood fromsomewhere on the torso not the
chest you pack it and then ifit's something else, you might
seal it.
We'll get to that stuff later,but you definitely want
something to pack into itbecause You're gonna be losing
blood from places.
This is great to just fill it.

(48:57):
Did you race roni?
Do you believe that quick clotis worth buying over other
gauzes to stop?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
the bleeding.
I actually brought the sinks.
I actually brought this inbecause I knew this was coming
up.
This has been sitting in mypocket.
I'll take that shit any day.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Yep that's crazy that's crazy.
I know you got a bunch in thatbox, but and what is that?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
that's just standard ass gauze right.
This right here is there anymedical compound.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
so also did we say what was in this medical
compound?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
No, Mac, you might want to adjust your mic so that
way it's tilted up towards you.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's a clotting agent .
It's rubbed into the gauzethere, so it's supposed to cause
Impregnated.
Is the word Impregnated which?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
is gross.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It's been impregnated by something that's supposed to
make your blood get goopyquicker.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, now let me say this I'm going to, in my
non-expert opinion, I'm going totell both of you to chuck rocks
, because this right here, andthe EMS version of it that has
the quick, quick, uh, you knowgoopiness powder in it or
whatever, is cheaper than yourpre-packed gauze.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
What ends up being expensive is when people buy the
green, uh radio, uh, activestrip ones, because that is like
for the military.
So that way if you pack someonefull and they're going to throw
them into like a MRI, it showsup on the MRI and they're like
oh, he's still got shit in him,let's pull it out.
So one I'll say is everything Iread online and that I've seen
and what I've seen when peoplerip this open with the other one

(50:24):
, the only difference is thisdoesn't have an X-ray blue
stripe on it.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Here's where.
So this is what like four bucksor something like that.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Not even.
I think it was a dollar Sure.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
This is $3.
How much is?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
on this one.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I'm trying to cheat to you the camera's wall.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Oh, two feet.
Let me put my spectacles onFour and a half yards.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yes, have you ever packed a wound?
Two feet doesn't do shit.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I've had quite a few noodles in my time.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I've pushed rope as well.
But two feet if you're packinga wound, that's got major
hemorrhage.
I don't give a fuck about thekaolin and all the clotting
factors.
Like I've done a plenty ofresearch on that.
I've got an undergrad in thisshit too.
Like I'm not just talking fromexperience.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Only two feet, ain't gonna do dick um, but what if
it's like packed in your ifac inconjunction with also it?
Doesn't matter, it's you saylike don't even bother getting
anything with quick clot I, I.
So what I carry first, stuff itin and then stuff everything
behind me personally, I have 12feet of quick clot with the
kaolin impregnation.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
yeah, with the blue strip in my truck right now,
outside this place.
Yeah, I like it because I'drather have kaolin.
And the studies are out onkaolin right now, like north
american rescue is the one thatsaid that Kaolin was the best,
and they tested on pigs likelive perfusion tissue all this
jazz I can get way into it.
At the end of the day, theaverage Joe individual can spend

(51:50):
$3 on this.
It's compact, it's light, it's12 feet.
Learning how to wound pack anddoing it effectively is more
important than one chemical.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I agree.
I've still heard just bringboth.
Sure, why not Stuff that quick,clot shit as deep in the hole
as you can and then continuepacking the other stuff behind?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
it.
Imagine trying to fix a leak ona pipe with cornstarch.
The amount of bleeding that'sgoing on.
It does work, but it's going tolike the quick clot.
I mean it does work, but it'sgonna be diluted by so much
blood that.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
How about we find out right now, mac I'm just kidding
let's get it protective over aquick clot

Speaker 3 (52:30):
you can spend extra money you can spend extra money
on quick clot, but if you wantto get 12 feet of gauze, which?
Is about what you need, yeahbecause if you have extra of
this, you know what you can do.
Like, let's say, I'm bleedingout right here at the radial
artery, there's no tourniquetyou can pack that shit in.
Pack that shit in and then withthe extra, you can wrap around
it and make a pressure bandage,which is another product.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
We'll see here soon the olays which is not in this
tip but this is, this is yourgeneric yeah yeah, um, but yeah
all right, cool Great.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I carry three of those little packages.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Did you bring this with you, or is?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
this out of my box.
You can have it, though I don'tcare.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
No, I got plenty.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Okay, cool, anyone want this?
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Give me my needle, all right.
So I will say this from whatI'm hearing you guys are saying
but it's better to have quantity, quantity over over this.
So if you have it, that's great.
It's not throw it out of yourkit.
If you don't have it, you don'tneed it.
You can just get you knowsomething that is far more in

(53:26):
quality and not in quality more,far more in quantity.
You know yardage footage, wise,yes, and that's going to be
just as effective and helpful ifall you have is that one little
package of quick clot.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You're essentially you're carrying a couple
band-aids to fix a hemorrhagingwound savage yeah, if that's all
the god, combat god.
You need a bunch more you got.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
This is the same thing.
Uh, not quick clot, but this isthe same thing.
That rice around I just threwdown probably what?

Speaker 3 (53:49):
eight, twelve, ten feet?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
it's the same yardage , yeah four and a half yards, uh
, six ply cotton great and soand so, and getting back to
where would you put this?

Speaker 5 (54:01):
where would you?
Have absolute essential, likejust blow a turn, oh yeah, so
but meaning right, meaning everyjoe schmo, but every, every
single kit you have.
Yes is in there.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, every I carry that in my pockets at work.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, I have three of those a little blankie I could,
I can make a little quilt.
Yeah, I mean, the amount of,like neck wounds, armpit wounds
that you guys encounter on thelaw enforcement side is pretty
substantial, right, and I, Ithink I I've put a lot of gauze
in a lot of bodies and I thoughtcombat gauze if you want to

(54:32):
call it combat gauze, le any ofthat stuff like it's good stuff.
Generic ask whatever ply cottongauze is is simple enough.
So, yes, it's a stuff.
Generic ask whatever ply cottongauze is is simple enough.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So yes, it's a reminder for the.
Uh, there's some things thatthe brand matter and some that
they don't, for when it's it'sliterally just fabric, Generic
is fine.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, and it's literally just fabric.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Would we fabric.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
All right, move on to the next item.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
I love how passionate we're all getting over this
like fuck you man, that's mygoss.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I just I.
I just like that.
I found that they're prettycheap.
I like the feeling that I got agood deal on it.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Can we address this and then and then rule it out,
you don't need that.
Okay, yeah, so what is this?
You know?
It's, uh, I mean what's?
It's basically a bunch of neosborn on addressing, right?
Is that what this is?
Yes, do you know?
It's basically a bunch ofNeosporin on a dressing, right?
Is that?

Speaker 3 (55:21):
what this is.
Yes, do you know what they'regoing to do the moment that
person's at the ER?
When you finally get them there, scrub it out.
Take a look at the wound.
Yeah, and now it's just full ofgoo.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
Right Now, what about ?
From a super basic first aid,like I'm not going to go to the
hospital.
First aid like I'm not going togo to the hospital, put on your
sporn in a band-aid, right,okay, so, yeah, so, same, same
difference.
That's basically what we havehere.
So if you have this in a kitthat comes with like a I think I
see this in a lot of thingswhere you're searching for a
first aid kit and you alwayswant to what we always want is

(55:51):
to find the thing that says,okay, I want to spend a hundred
dollars and have everything Ineed in this kit, or whatever,
or twenty dollars in this kit,and so you end up with a bunch
of extras, you end up with abunch of little other things.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
So this isn't like the worst thing to I will say
this if I burn myself out in thewoods, I want that you want
this until I get to where I'mgonna get more help yeah, and
then that's that's it.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
We valid and yeah, and so that's one thing where we
are.
We we are having a necessarytalking about like austere
environments, like long termbackpacking, these sorts of
things, and but that's at thesame time I'd say that'd be more
of a comfort thing than a lifesaving thing.
Right yeah absolutely Right Inthis case, and so this would be.
My kid burned his hand on thestove or his arm, whatever, and

(56:34):
I can wrap this around it and hecan be comfortable, and I just
so happen to have gotten this inone of my kits, like you
wouldn't individually.
Until your wife gets home andyou have to go to the urgent
care anyways, right, but meaning, like you wouldn't individually
buy this item, Like you mightget it bonus, Bonus in your
first aid pack.

(56:55):
Like it was here, Put it in youryou know the same place where
you keep all your other crap inyour house.
You know your.
Your your thermometer and youryou know that sort of like
homemade.
You know that this, this reallyisn't life-saving equipment,
but we're not.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
That's the thing, though.
We're not just talking aboutjust life-saving equipment, you
know we're putting things intotiers of is it good to have in
your wilderness for a sake, inyour home for a kit?
Is it IFAC like save my life in?

Speaker 5 (57:21):
case of an emergency, right, right, and that's what
I'm saying.
It's like you get this in afirst aid kit, put it in the
like, don't throw it out, put itin your closet, but you know
you don't go buy it for justwhat it is right.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Burn shield for people if you want to know what
again If you put it on beforeyou burn yourself.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Will it help?
I bet it will to some degree.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I mean it's moisturized Before you burn
yourself.
No, that's what I'm saying.
I bet it'll keep you fromgetting burned, it's
petroleum-based.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
It's flammable.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Oh, no Wait, Neosporin is flammable.
If it's petroleum-based, it'smore than likely flammable.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
I don't think it's petroleum All that stuff is all.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
We'll see.
Let's try it out Again on Mac.
Let's try.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Which is actually why you should actually just carry
Neosporin instead of that andthen, as a fire starter slash,
stick it in your wounds forbackpacking application.
But I was just getting at thefact that they call it a shield.
You know, it's like SureShields for like Arrows.
Or say arrow shields.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Okay, now that I've been shot by an arrow, I'm going
to now use my shield.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Anyways, next thing this is for fishing, yeah, for
pulling hooks out of andsurgeons.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Whoa, whoa, whoa Rice-a-roni, are you telling me
not to jam that in the wound andtry to pinch the artery with?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
my bearings.
No black hawk downing no.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I've seen black hawk down.
I've seen black hawk down andyou've got, you got to get that
thing pinched.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
It comes up every time.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
No, have you ever used this?
Do you carry?
These Would be the firstquestion.
Two have you ever used it?

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I have used these in the ICU to pinch off multiple
drips of like vasopressors andsome other bullshit, so not body
parts.
No yeah, if you need to pullout a fish hook or something
like that, you probably haveyour fishing kit with you
anyways, I would not put thesein an ifac in particular.
Um, these are really good forlike popping zits and uh what

(59:07):
about?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
what about?
Hear me out with this.
This is the one like instance.
I've seen in a video, you knowsomeone referencing using them
again.
They're like yeah, don't.
What are these calledtechnically?

Speaker 5 (59:18):
this is called forceps.
Yeah, I was gonna get, becausewe all are, also we're.
We need to keep a.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Not everybody's watching the video, so yeah,
we're describing, we're gettingpeople out there that are fucked
like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
They're talking about next episode, yeah forceps.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So what I saw was like someone was going over,
essentially like with the samesplint.
If you tie it around orsomething like that, you can
essentially lock down quarterknots or something with it to
essentially maintain the tensionon something, not a tourniquet,
because ideally you should justhave a good tourniquet that
does tension, like that but to,yeah, using it on gauze or
whatever like that, you couldpinch and leave it there and

(59:57):
wrap the rest of the gauzearound it to pin it in place, to
kind of keep that tension.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Now, there's a million other tools that do that
.
Anyways, right, all right.
So what are you fingers?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
what I'm saying is like if you can't, because
you're walking right and you'reyou know, on your own or
something?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
tape clothespin.
Hopefully you got carabiner.
Hey, all I'm saying, man, isthat was the explanation um, all
right, what do you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
what do you?
What do you guys uh say hereour emergency responders, leave
it at home, let the people inthe ambulance just have it.
It's just taking up uselessspace we don't even carry it on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
The ambulance got you all right, so no need.
No need in the pre-hospitalsetting.
There might be an obscureparticular circumstance where
it's worked out as a useful toolfor someone, but it's not going
to change any outcomes, almostcertainly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
All right, everybody get in the comments and tell
Rice-A-Roni how wrong he is andhow you use this to like stop
your leaking bladder or whateverit is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Is that what's called a hemostat?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Yeah, okay, all right , cool.
Next thing, we got threeproducts left on the table.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Let's go what is uh?
What is this here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
flip it over a straight elusive bag abdominal
combined dressing okay, this isjust.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
This is just thicker gauze that's non-plied in the
way that, uh, the other gauze isjust to tuck your guts back in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
I've got a million of these I've got a million of
these.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I'm getting you one okay, right so it's just like a
thick pad of gauze with likethis overlay right here, so it
all stays contained.
Um, there's a particular sidethat you want down.
There's like this blue linehere.
It's a really, really good toabsorb moderate bleeding.
Now we're not talking about umlike blurting this is really

(01:01:36):
good for, like foreheadlacerations and for um ears,
missing ears, mature dude, uh.
But what you can do is you cantake trauma shears and cut off a
section of this and it'll kindof stay together and you can
just patch it on a forehead orsomething like that.
This is like a really upgradedform of your rolled gauze and
it's meant to like isolate on toa body part in particular would

(01:02:00):
you use this for like big cupsand scrapes that aren't, you
know, like, like, like.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
Yeah, like, like, like, like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I don't like a road rash, yeah, I think road rash
put that on there, so you cantake like a saline flush I don't
know if we have any of thesehere or like take sterile water,
put it on here, keep it moist,slap that on a wound, wrap that
shit around and you're good togo.
Like you're keeping it um, niceand moist.
You're keeping it from risk ofinfection.
It's a simple thing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
This thing costs like less than a dollar yeah, how
important is the sterile waterversus just slapping it on?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
depends on your circumstance, right?
I just want to yeah, it's justgonna be more gnarly later when
they have to take it off, I meanthe moment you, moment you take
this out of the package, you'reout in the open environment and
then you slap it on likethere's going to be risk of
microorganisms getting on there,right?

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Okay, so it's a.
The sterile water is that'smore of a sterilization thing,
not like a moisture on the wound.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I believe sterile water is also distilled, meaning
it doesn't have the fluoride.
It doesn't.
Other chemicals involved aswell turn them gay.
That's good.
Yeah, exactly, it's just.
Uh, it's like it's true.
I think it's distilled waterthat has been controlled for all
microorganisms, as opposed tolike a bottle of water which has
fluoride content, a little bitmore magnesium, other things,
and I nerd out about this stuffmoderately.

(01:03:13):
But yeah, I think this is agreat product.
The only problem is that I seethis is beefy.
This takes up up, just aboutthe size of your eye.
Fact from tip to butt.
If we want to go grand thumbreference there.
We are not sponsored by him anddo not want to get sued by him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Genghis thumb.
Genghis thumb.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Daddy thumb yeah, I don't care he could be bad about
it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
He hurt me first.
I'm still hurt, I don't care.
He could be bad about it, hehurt me first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
I'm still yeah.
But yeah, that's different.
This is something I would keepin my truck and out of my IFAC.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, okay, so like a car med kit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
What about not IFAC?
But what about I'm going on acampy trip with some people who
are likely minded?
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Any disagreements there?
Nope, oh hell, yeah.
Any disagreements there?
Nope, all right, great, awesome.
You probably recognize this now, yeah, and now it's out of the
package.
It's out of the package.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll getyou a new one pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Wait, wait, don't throw it away.
Don't throw it because we dohave a medical training coming
up for our church care team, andso I am gonna save some of this
stuff that's already beenindisposed to give to the guy
teaching it, so that way hedoesn't have to use his own shit
.
Anyways, uh, last two productson the table two, I'm going over
this real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I'm sorry that I've been talking so much mac, no,
this is much more in yourwheelhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I've mac.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Mac was invited here, one because I love mac and two,
I kind of want to watch you andhim interact.
So that way, because there isan audience that listens to this
podcast that is primarily likein the law enforcement field,
and I think a lot of those guysprobably haven't had a good
teardown of what they'remedically carrying in a long
time.
So it's good to have someonewho brought his own actual

(01:04:49):
medical equipment, what hecarries for our you know
firefighter emt, to nitpickright.
So anyways, uh, what's thisnext thing?

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
this is a suture.
Let's not get into this.
I think we're gonna burn ontime.
This is a if.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
If you know you need this, you probably know you need
this like this is dumb right,I'd say like in your backpacking
gear would be the only spotmaybe like to like have that
otherwise.
Otherwise go to the er.
Okay, would that be?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
the for sure, and if you, if you need a suture kit,
it's non-life-threatening rightyeah, probably it's dumb
bleeding at that point usuallybecause and are you gonna suture
it up all dirty out in thewoods?

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
if you really need to like, if you need to.
If I'm out where I'm hunting,fuck yeah, I'm in sure, but most
of the time, no.
I have never purchased one ofthese.
Don't plan on it.
Want to move on?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, sure, I mean, I will say it came in my
equipment and it is one of thosethings where I was like, hmm,
this is interesting, never heardanyone talk about it.
But here you guys go, in caseyou don't know what it's called
or what it is when it arrives inyour kit, known as stitches, if
you're wondering.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I mean nylon monofilament.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
You got fishing line and a needle in here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Like I trust Pat and like me personally, I trust Pat
to figure it out if I'm injuredand I need redneck sutures.
Well, and I'll say this we'regoing to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
I know how to stitch only because I was taught by
other people who have beentrained in stitching and all
that.
But, like, for people who don'tknow, nurses don't even get
trained on stitching, medicsdon't either, unless they're a
very particular nurse.
Yeah, um.
So just so everyone knows, likestitching is not as easy as
like, oh, tie a knot at the endlike fishing line, and just

(01:06:31):
start running it through that'sredneck stuff.
But good luck keeping the woundclosed and good luck actually
doing it right and not going toodeep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Just buy super glue, just do gunpowder.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Just do gunpowder like you know, Rambo, All right.
What's this last thing here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
All you, brother, all right, this one is a hemorrhage
control bandage.
It's pretty much just a bandagethat's going to wrap it up
really tight, kind of like across between a tourniquet and a
bandage.
Um, it's nice because it staysin place.
Um, there's really not much toit.
It's.
It adds a little bit ofpressure and it keeps the
bandage right on the wound wouldyou wrap that over after you

(01:07:11):
use this?

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
a wound pack and pack something.
Yeah, it's the perfect and thenyou take this and you get that
pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
That's just to dream my guy, that's what you combo,
and then you take this and youget that pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
That's the dream, my guy.
That's what you have there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
And here you guys.
People might be wondering likewhy is it so crinkly and stuff?
Well, a lot of these you canbuy like they come pre-vacuum
sealed so they fit a little bitbetter in a pack and an IFAC
right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Well, they're also sealed, because they usually
sterilize them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Sorry, well, sorry, there's non-vacuumed ones as
well.
That's what I'm saying is likewhy people might be wondering
why it's so crunched up, butyeah, that's how I've always
seen it used is.
This is the pressure wrappingthat goes around the packed
wound.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Would you also use this in conjunction with the SAM
?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
The.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
SAM splint yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
this is where you get that SAM put around.
This is where you use that tothen I've used this personally.
It's you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
It's to hold something in place you're
already using exactly right I'venever seen it used solo to
cover anything up, because ifanything's enough that it's
actually hemorrhaging, uh,you're using something with a
lot more mess, so would thatalso?

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
would that be an ifac item or like a more general?

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
or bigger, bigger pack that particular product?
I don't know it.
Like that purple bag is my brand, just a hemorrhage wrapper,
sticky wrapper, emergency traumadressing is what North American
Rescue has it.
As there's multiple sizes of it, it comes in a green pack.
You can get it about this bigby this big, so like four by two
inches or so.
Vacuum, sealed, ready to gofits in an IFAC.

(01:08:39):
Well, that's an essential, atleast in my opinion, because you
can do mommy soccer, first aidstuff with it and you can do
some massive combat bleedingstuff with it.
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
That purple branding wrap is Lightning Medical, I
think is what it's called.
It's like a.
You probably use it.
You just don't know becauseit's not coming in the purple
wrapping or something like thatI have no idea they're.
They're pretty big, so if yousee them, I I did a look into it
because I was like, oh, I don'twant to get knockoff shit.
They make a lot of pre-packagedstuff with cat tourniquets and

(01:09:13):
other like north american rescueproducts.
They're some kind of partneredmanufacturer, but anyways, all
right.
So here's some more stuff forus to roll through real quick.
That was in the box EMS rolledgauze, quick clot.
This is three feet by four feet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Fun fact quick clot is not the actual element or
component kaolin that isimpregnated into it, so that
right, there is just rolledgauze it doesn't have the stuff
in it yes, that does not havekaolin in it good to know and
it's only four feet long andit's larger than the 12 foot
vacuum sealed.

(01:09:51):
So that's four feet as opposedto 12 feet.
Look at the size difference.
It says quick clot, so everyonethinks it's cool.
Doesn't have kaolin?

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
yep, fuck that shit kaolin also is a plant seaweed
right seaweed gel so kaolin isactually an inorganic product
made out of clay, essentially oh, okay that helps on clotting
factor 12 and do this shit andblah, blah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Someone's gonna yell at me for things, but it it's a
really interesting component.
I don't think it's.
A seaweed might have it maybeit's an alternative.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I know there was talks of like, if you're
allergic to something, there'sthe seaweed, hemoglobin,
whatever, uh, all right, these,these are interesting.
People are going to see theseall the time and they're going
to want to get them because theysay swat on them, you know swat
, hey guys I that both of youhave worked with SWAT teams.
Do SWAT teams carry SWAT-Ttourniquets?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Why not, though it says SWAT-T, tourniquet on it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
TCCC is not recommending that particular
tourniquet.
It's more complicated and itdoesn't need to be vacuum sealed
.
It's just the wrong product.
I get what they're trying to do, but no For people who don't
know, it's just the wrongproduct.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Um, I get what they're, what they're trying to
do, but no, let me let me so forpeople who don't know.
You can look it up very easily,but these are elastic, like
giant stretch elastic bands thatyou like kind of wrap and stick
to themselves under tension.
It's essentially like a uhworkout resistance bike tire no,
I don't think so.
26.1 and a half, but it's rubberyeah, it's rubber and it's like

(01:11:19):
, it's like stretch, elastic,that, like you know it's it's a
workout band, um, and you wrapit around and the tightness of
it, you know, is supposed to be,uh, it's not stopping the
bleeding, but it's not gonna getas tight as like a real
leveraged uh tourniquet.
But I will say this, since nowneither of you said it as a
medical use case this is whatyou want for your doggy.

(01:11:43):
This is like the number one useis having this as like if it's
in your car or your hike med kit.
It's because your dog has aninjury.
Your dog's got to stick throughits foot, whatever, and these
are great for the dog becauseyou're not getting a tourniquet
to seal on your dog's leg sothere's only a few places on a
dog like I've been to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I've been to canine um combat medicine training on
this.
This does work for that.
However, in the state ofcolorado you're allowed to give
your dog any acls medicationthat you would give a human
being, with different doses, butif your dog has an allergic
reaction, you can give them 50milligrams of Benadryl

(01:12:24):
Veterinary.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I give Takani Benadryl all the time.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
But you can give your dog Epi, you can give your dog
Benadryl, you can put gauze onyour dog Like there's all these
different things.
This will work well for caninebleeds because of how it secures
to their different anatomicalstructure, but it's not going to
stop massive arterial.
It just does not have thatpressure.
It can't get 200 millimeters ofmercury for pressure.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
What about question being my three-year-old, that
cat tourniquet's not going to doanything for him.
Yes, it will.
It'll get all the way down onsomething this big.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
So you're going to have to bend the shit out of the
plastic.
Essentially Okay, but you canalso just hold manual pressure
dude, All right, Like give himthe E minor chord on his
frickin' arm or whatever.
It is Right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Okay, so that's what you but so it?
Would this be an applicationfor that, or it's just not
getting tight enough?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
It's not gonna get tight enough.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
All right, then never mind cool reason that those
tourniquet that can't turn thekids work so well.
As I mean when, if you ever putone on, when you start getting
that leverage from that win listand you're twisting it.
Oh yeah, I mean you were takingsomething that was two inches
long and shrinking it to halfthat and then a quarter of it.
Yeah, it's exponential.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And, man, I tell you what you know when someone's
putting it on right, it is.
I had a unreal ring the mostrecent time.
Someone threw it on it didn'thold back and I I love the guy,
uh, but he definitely made meknow when someone's doing it
right and when it's not.
Uh, because it's way past thepoint of uncomfortable
uncomfortable, it's like so much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
It's way past the point of uncomfortable,
uncomfortable, it's like so much, further past that, that most
people expect yeah, if you'reapplying a lot of this stuff, be
ready for people to not looklike it's helping and they will
not be happy all right, theseare uh north american.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Actually, I don't know.
Yeah, this one is northamerican.
These are hyphens are sothere's a lot of uh stuff in the
the media about these, butthese are hyphen vent chest
seals.
Oh, careful with vent.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Twin pack.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Well, it says vent on them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
It does say vent Hyphen vent, chest seal, twin
pack.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I'm just reading the label.
Sure, sure, these are not.
Well, I'll let you explain,rice-aroni.
But there's a lot of contentionbecause there's recently some
medical personnel on the Xsaying these are useless, they
don't do anything better to juststuff the wound packet whatever
.
And it's, you know, it's quoteunquote, controversial and all

(01:14:49):
the medical autists are like upin arms and arguing about it.
Now, from what I've seen, theseare used primarily to.
You got an entry exit woundfrom a I don't know rebar stick
through your windshield.
You have bullet wound antlers,whatever arrow you put one and
they say twin pack.
A lot of people are like, ohsick, twin pack.

(01:15:11):
So there's two in here.
No, these are two.
You, these are two.
If you rip them apart and youonly put one in your ifact, you
only have one chest seal andyou're gonna die and you're
gonna still be bleeded out theback hole.
So these are twin packs.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
It's not meant for blood, though.
That's the thing, sure Iunderstand, yeah, yeah, I get it
, yeah but, um, you're, you'restill gonna have a hole in your
back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Um, so if you're gonna use them and if you want
them and you believe in them,you're gonna keep them together.
Uh, you're not gonna separatethem, but, uh, right, certainly,
what's the difference betweenthe two of these?
A lot of people see the whiteand the gray and they're like
what's the difference?

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
uh tactical versus non yeah, well, also I think, I
think one's called compact.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
That's the biggest thing, but people fail to read.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I in all honesty, I don't know.
I mean, I'm guessing that's thecase.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I think it's only a size thing.
That's my like, because theyand I think they look a
different color.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
There's nothing wrong with the smaller whiter product
.
The smaller one's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
If you really need this one, because the small
white one is it doing it.
Yeah, your hole's really big.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
And that's one point I did want to bring up.
I personally keep these NorthAmerican Rescue hyphen vented
chest seals in my kits both IFAC, truck, whatever it might be
because they're vented.
If you get a non-vented chestseal, all it's going to do is
just stop the wound, likebasically plug the hole.
But when you have thatinspiration-expiration phase,

(01:16:37):
when you're breathing, it's notgoing to vent out the bad air
that's creating that positivepressure that you don't want
Back to the decompression needleright.
Same.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
So, this is essentially the same as that
decompression needle it's inconjunction, it's supposed to
let air out, not let air in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Well, it's not air, it's pressure.
You have a pressure problem.
You want a negative pressure inthe interthoracic cavity, like
right now when I take a deepbreath in, that's actually my
diaphragm Expanding.
No, well, it is expanding.
Negatively pressurizing so yourlungs can expand.
It's going and changing andit's allowing the amount of
volume to increase.
It's allowing the negativepressure to do what it wants to

(01:17:15):
do and bring air in.
If you don't have that negativepressure when you get shot, you
have a problem.
So you want to change and closeup the system with a vent and
you want to decompress if theirlung truly is collapsed and they
got signs of tensionpneumothorax, which is a totally
different podcast and you wantto create the appropriate

(01:17:35):
pressure.
And it's this thing that, like,we can't get into tonight.
This is great for entry andexit wounds.
However, entry wounds andsometimes exit wounds are very
tough to identify.
There's been like I had a dude.
Uh, halloween last year, therewas a bunch of people that got
shot at a house party in anundisclosed location in the
denver metro area and we thoughtthe dude had gotten shot five

(01:18:00):
times.
Turns out it was nine.
Damn.
He had a bunch of chest sealsplaced by law enforcement prior
to our arrival.
We were on scene within fiveminutes.
We always mess it up.
No, it was good.
There was a bunch of chestseals.
The dude lived and had beenlike shot a bunch of times and
we couldn't find him.
It turns out 5.56 millimeters,small, going um 2,900 feet.

(01:18:24):
Per second through someone isquick and it just goes right
through.
It doesn't create a bunch ofexternal injuries.
It's the internal injurieswe're worried about.
So, um, identifying where yourwounds are is definitely tougher
than just slapping this on.
So when in doubt, slap that onsomewhere if you feel like
there's oh, we're getting allsorts of psilocybin distorted

(01:18:44):
here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I just freaking, smacked my head on the pole so,
uh, um, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
so I guess for the people who so we're talking
about chest seals, yes, andchest seals are like there's
three things you put in yourstop the bleed kit.
In my tiny little training youget tourniquet gauze, chest seal
, right, sure.
So then is this to stopbleeding?
No, so if it's not vented, isit doing anything at all to help

(01:19:15):
?

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
It is doing something , it's closing the system, but
it's not allowing for the asfast of restoration of the
negative pressure that you want.
okay because if it's not vented,you have to burp it right yes,
but you burp it once and it onlydoes so much like it's going to
take a while to essentiallyreinflate that lung.
And you can go look at videos.
People like everything I'mtalking about.
Go look up gastric insufflationto see like what your abdominal

(01:19:39):
cavity looks like.
Go look up uh chest tubeplacement.
Go look up intra thoracicpressure um, there's so many
videos, there's plenty ofyoutube guys that that we know
that put out information onthese products too that are well
above our heads check out prepmedic.
We like him um, he's a dick it'sfunny, they're friends um all

(01:20:00):
right I need to text him back,actually these do these go in?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
which med kit, which bag do you think you recommend
them to go in?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
any and all any at all just get training.
Please get training honestly,they're really fun to apply.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
You get to put them on a homie's chest if he's brave
and he doesn't know what'sabout to happen, and then you
get to rip all this chest waxingif Free, waxing If they're
hairy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
All right, last one here from this box.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Tactical tampon.
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
No they're just battle wrap, but again, they're.
Well, you'll see, they'reincluded with a lot of stuff and
I'm pretty sure they're cheaper, but they still have the same
amount of yardage.
No, they're actually bigger.
These are six feet.
Oh, no, sorry, not that bigger,they're six feet by four inches
, uh, inches, yeah, and so theseare more narrow and like would
be better suited for like youcould use them for stuffing, but

(01:20:49):
they're better used for likewrapping.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Tension on is there any gauze on this?

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
no gauze from what I understand tactical a strap.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Who cares?
Okay, well, they came in thepacks, my man just Just buy an
Ace Wrap at Walgreens and thenlast one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Here's what you'll see.
This is like a essentiallytopicals and you can see oh,
actually, no, it doesn't havethe list, but there's a QR code
to scan to see the list forpeople who care.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
But if you I wonder if your phone's trying to scan
it right now?
It might be.
But if you I wonder if yourphone's trying to scan it right
now, it might be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
But this is like all of your usual kind of like not
emergency stuff, but good tohave Hemorrhoid dreams.
Yeah, dude, I have a story foryou guys, but anyways, I'm just
going to pull it out and then wecan put it all back in.
But I just wanted to give youguys an opportunity to look
through this, because some ofthis, I think, is actually like
have it in everything, have itin your eye pack, because a lot

(01:21:41):
of people think first aid kithas to be an emergency Dude.
There's stuff in here that I'mlike if I'm out there on my own
and I start having the diarrhealike I don't want that to take
me out from getting back home tohelp with dehydration.
There's anti-diarrheal stuff inhere, anything Rice-A-Roni or

(01:22:03):
Mac, or you know Pat as wellbecause Pat's an avid hunter.
You guys want to look throughthese at all and see like
there's aspirin, right.
Poison ivy stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
I'm guessing there's Benadryl in there but the number
one life-saving medication forallergic reactions, especially
severe severe is epinephrine.
I'm not going to say use an epipen because they're so
expensive and it's like morallywrong, but consider getting a
source of intramuscularepinephrine, um, and learn how
to use it, because a lot ofpeople, whether it be snake bite

(01:22:35):
, whether it it be foodpoisoning, something like not
food poisoning but like ananaphylactic reaction.
bee stings right.
Benadryl is cool and it helpsout one component of an allergic
reaction.
Epinephrine's killer Like it isa fantastic med.
I keep one in my wife'sbackpack for when she's at the
gym and all the kids are runningaround with all the hot moms

(01:22:58):
Like she knows how to administerintramuscular epinephrine to a
kid if there's an anaphylacticreaction.
That's cool.
I think that's way moreimportant than aspirin, because
there's a lot of other thingsthat aspirin can do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
You're saying these words.
I don't think people know howto acquire that Intramuscular
epinephrine.
How does one acquire that foran emergency scenario?
So they have it on them totreat others or themselves make
friends with a emt and orparamedic um get in or a vet.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Yeah, it's the same drug weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Are you saying that we're not friends because you've
not given me any intramuscularepinephrine?

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
do you want expired?

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
if it's expired it's still good, right, but I mean an
epi pen.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Like I know, a lot of people will get a prescription
for an epi pen, whether or notthere's allergies.
Yeah, if your insurance canhelp you, that's cool.
I get it.
Not everyone can afford a 600pen that expires 18 months later
.
Um, I've never bought an epipen, so so I'm kind of talking
against myself here?

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
No for sure.
And I think that, uh, because,like things like Benadryl,
they're not fast acting enoughto save a life in the moment of
extreme anaphylactic shock.
And so, especially with smallpeople, small children, you know
, when their airways are closingup, things are going on, um,
but to like lots of meds youjust dumped on the table, um
made me think of.

(01:24:19):
Actually, when I'm travelingabroad, I have a first aid kit
that I bring abroad with me, andthat is like that's where I and
I think this would apply to thehiking as well where you're
going, ok, like hiking,backpacking and also like
foreign travel, I do, I keep atourniquet and I keep gauze in

(01:24:43):
the bottom of that thing, causeI, you know, anything could
happen anywhere.
In that case, I do keep gauze,tourniquet, chest seal and that
first aid kit, but then, for Ikeep a lot of other little just
goodies with me that are theremostly for comfort, but also

(01:25:03):
they will help you on a 14 daytrip.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
And like talking like Dramamine for Dramamine.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Yeah, so, yeah, so, and also I'm usually taking
people with me on these trips,you know, and so it's like to be
able to put Dramamine and thenalso, you know, whatever
band-aids, little things, Icarry tampons and pads in there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Tampons are great for nosebleeds dude, not bullet
wounds Right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
but also for like or just like if you're traveling in
a group of people.
For sure, and you're able to sitand there's a you know someone
with you and we're moving pastfor a second from you know
life-saving first aid into likeother areas.
But you know, I'm travelingwith a bunch of college girls on
this trip, right, sure anddudes, but girl doesn't have

(01:25:47):
what she needs.
I got the thing for her, butthen biggest thing, like yeah,
stomach issues, antidiarrheal,all that stuff, if you're going
to be gone for another 20 days,that's going to make a big big
difference.
On for another 20 days, yeah,that's gonna make a big big
difference.
And so, as far as you know, anifac to me is really like
immediate life-saving equipment.

(01:26:07):
And then and then I carry otherstuff in other areas that are
more comfy things, you know.
So in my truck, yeah, I've gotthe tourniquets, the, you know,
the stop, the bleed stuff, andthen, if I'm traveling, that's

(01:26:27):
what.
That's where I start sprinklingin the other things that aren't
going to be readily accessibleto me.
So I make sure to bring thingsthat and that's actually part of
this whole conversation wouldactually be while you're
building out your kits, put thethings in there that one are
going to save a life but twoaren't accessible to you If I'm
driving down the road and I'mpooping my pants, I can go to

(01:26:49):
Walgreens right.
Sure, if I'm in the middle of asandy place, I don't have that.
Yeah, I'm not taking MiddleEastern vets Exactly, and so and
so, and that's where like alsosame thing, even like with
EpiPens and and that sort ofstuff.
We, when, we, when we, ifyou're in America, for the most

(01:27:11):
part, and if you're in a city,you can get medical attention
very quickly by dialing threenumbers on your phone and
they're going to come stick youwith that pen.
Now you might need it a littlefaster, but they're going to
come help you out.
If you're in the middle ofnowhere and you got a big group
of people with you you'reresponsible for, have
epinephrine, have those sorts ofthings that are not accessible

(01:27:33):
to you.
So when you're building outyour kits, think about what is
accessible to you, what's notand what you need to use
immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Yes, and then train under stress.
Please, dear God.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Pat, will you do me a favor and just make sure we're
still recording?
Yeah, and then I'm going tojust have you guys take a look
at these.
So these are Olays olays Ibecame a big believer of them
after I just did an ifac classwith a guy who's um emergency,
uh, search and rescue, and alsoattached to a SWAT team as their

(01:28:08):
medic um, and olays seem to melike for either uh, six bucks or
eight bucks.
These seem to me like the bestof both worlds for wound packing
and then also pressurizingaround a wound as well as

(01:28:30):
getting leverage.
And we went through some thingsof how Olays are great for head
wound injury and wrappingaround an eye, especially if
there's a broken orbital, aswell as using one of these if
needed to be an extra pressurepoint.
This like ball here, if youguys can see on camera right,

(01:28:51):
there's like this divot here,this cup it's a nice hard
plastic cup Putting that under atourniquet to apply more
pressure to those.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Over a smaller surface area.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, especially like the groin wounds, Like if it's
kind of upper closer to thegroin.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
If you have really tiny pee-pee.
Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
I got one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
So just curious what you guys' thoughts are on these.
I had never seen them until Ijust did my last IFAC class.
Is this an acronym?
No, I don't know.
It's just called OLEs O-L-A-E-Sis how you find them.
Oles modular bandage, and theyhave a good amount of wrap, a
little bit of laceration,something probably.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
That'd be my guess.
Truth be told, dude, never seenthat, however, off.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
You want to open it Neither.
I'll let you open it and keepit.
If you want, you can use it fortraining or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Is the particular person we're doing this off
camera?
Is the particular person youwere working with, this
individual?

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Not by that name.
Is it in the county wecurrently reside in?
No, okay, different county.
Yeah, okay, never mind then.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
But anyways, all right, I'm going to sacrifice
one because they're so expensiveFor the boys.
What was the price point onthese Six bucks?
Eight bucks but that was fromlike.
I will say, that is from myresources.
They may be more expensive ifyou don't have like cat card
discount stuff, but here take itout, play around with it.
So this is and the yellow one'sthe same thing, just a little

(01:30:17):
bit bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
It's more rigid than I thought.
I will say.
The first thing I did was seewhat the pressure is on this,
because we talked about likefemoral artery bleeds or like
orbital stuff that's prettyresilient.
I'm putting I don't know 10, 15pounds of pressure on that and
it's not bending at all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
This kind of just looks like an Israeli bandage or
a, it is a lot, and then inhere is more packing that you
can pull out and it's like Idon't know how many foot footage
that is.
Oh yeah.
You stuff that stuff in thereand then you wrap it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
It's more than your two feet that you have in your
dumbass.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Quick clot, Savage bro there and then you wrap it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
It's more than your two feet that you have in your
dumb ass quick clock.
Just do me like that weprobably should have put a
disclaimer out here that, um,mick, pat and I as well as mac
like pat and I go back to likepre-pubescent days and mick and
I go back a decade, so I wastalking shit's all out of love.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Yeah, it is.
I really do love you so much Ilove you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Yeah, our, our, uh, our text thread that we had
today was a lot of like f youman, like you little bitch.
So no, it's all out of love.
Um, this looks like a prettycool product.
I don't know like if I'mneeding this, this little
plastic thing.
I'm in a pretty weirdcircumstance, but this looks
like an Israeli bandage withextra materials that could be

(01:31:45):
useful, and it kind of comespackaged just like an Israeli
bandage or like that emergencytrauma dressing or, um, can you
pull up the lightning purplething?

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
real quick.
It's in a different box, it'stoo late.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Okay, this looks like a cool product, especially for
six to eight bucks, but I haveto mess around with it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yeah, I mean like I said, the way I saw it best used
was, you know, in the need,packing a wound and wrapping it
around.
What the hell is that?
Is that Takani with a waterbottle?

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
of Zin.
Yeah, that's my just dogchewing on my discharge.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
But the other thing was it was specifically like a
head wound.
Wrap it around and if you havethat fractured orbital in your
face, like you know, put thisover the eye socket to kind of
help keep that from gettingpressurized and jamming your
cheekbone deeper.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
What about you know testicles, know spots where
you'd be wound packing and youcan't put a tourniquet?

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
on.
Sure, that's going to increasethe pressure you're applying on
that gauze.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
That's inside the wound cavity right, you pull
that gauze, stuff it and thenuse this place, that little you
know, place the little cone orwhatever on the wound and wrap
it up I.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
I don't see a disadvantage, but that's like
purely a spontaneous reaction.
Um so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
I don't have evidence , I don't have data I was gonna
save this for training, but doyou want to take it home before,
uh, we do our next medicaltraining and play with it in the
mirror.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
I'll let you take this home no because, because I
leave for a You're gone for afew weeks for training.
I'm gone for a month for atraining Starting this week.
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
was that so?

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
sketchy.
I don't want to say shit on apodcast.
I don't care how many viewersyou have, whether it's two or
two million, you don't have tosay it.
It's alright.
I don't care how many viewersyou have, whether it's two or
two million, you don't have tosay it, it's all right, I don't
want you to feel pressured.
I don't even know when this isairing, but I feel weird being
like hey guys, I am this personand I'm leaving my wife alone at
home.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Oh yeah, for this time.
Hey, don't worry, you don'thave to justify it, you don't
have to justify it if you wantto play around with it more.
No, it's cool, I'll probablyjust buy one, honestly Will you
just throw that back in thatpackaging and we'll just save it
as another training one Is ittoo late to talk about the med
stuff Because we had that littlebag of all the topicals.
Yeah, please do Talk about it.
Glee and Free Boy, Just acallback to it.

(01:34:11):
Allergy Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I'm very needy as far as all my if you guys want to
know how to take down a syrianpolice officer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Just throw bread, some rye bread just straight to
the grave toast while you're inpueblo county.
I mean a fate worse than deathbeing in pueblo, county really,
but uh go ahead it's not so muchfor like a emergency kit, but,
uh, you can buy cases out therethat will come with like a bunch
of antibiotics and anti-nausea.
Um, you have to, you know,apply it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
You don't have to get a prescription, but you have to
provide some of yourinformation so they make sure
you're not I, I was looking intothose and they send you like
essentially like the basicantibiotic like use and a lot of
them are, you know, uhequipping the uh more like
missionary type work right.

(01:35:06):
Like we're going to be in athird world country and very far
from hospitals.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
You had me at missionary.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Uh, I bet I did Um anyways, but yeah, I've seen
that.
I can't remember the company'sname.
But there's a company that doesit where all you do is like
speak to a doctor after applyingand then let them know your use
case.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
And then they send you a box full of those Jace
case.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
We're not sponsored by them, but would recommend
that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Not in the first aid area, necessarily, but it's
really good to have.
There's a lot of good stuff inthere, like that anti-nausea has
saved me before because there'sbeen times where I'm getting
super dehydrated on a campingtrip and I'm getting very ill
and it brings me back from thebrink.
So I would really recommendthat for a lot of use cases.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Yeah, and one thing for people to know, because I
know there's a lot of prepperpeople who are like antibiotics,
like real antibiotics.
Yeah, they still expire.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Topical antibiotics?
No, they're not topical,they're legit.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
They're oral.
Yeah, they're real.

Speaker 5 (01:36:03):
Yeah, but they do go bad.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Are they?
Oh, never mind, I'm going toget way too in the weeds.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
I was going to ask if Ask whichever one you want.
Like, are they?

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
broad spectrum like gram negative, gram positive,
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
You can the base kit.
You get like three differentkinds of antibiotics um and
they're all like oral yeah huh,like, one of them is like
penicillin.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Yeah, this is standard, yeah, okay stuff,
amoxicillin probably yeah, it'slike penicillin, which is
amoxicillin and I saw jace caseand I was like do I need to pay
this money for it, or can my boyrice around?
He just hooked me up with theseso that way I don't need to pay
for it.
No, all right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Would recommend those , though.
They're great.
I mean, there's a whole bunch.
I think the base kit comes withlike 10 meds and each one of
them could be potentiallylife-saving, at least
vacation-saving.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Yeah, true, true, especially if you're like oh man
, that looks gnarly and we don'twant to go to the doctor's
office in Guatemala.
Yes, precisely.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I'm going to say this , too, as a caveat Do not go and
take medications that you havenot researched and you are not
familiar with.
From a pharmacologicalstandpoint, the amount of
contraindications, like theamount of bad things that can
happen to your body if you takethe wrong medications, is
substantial.
So please be diligent, talk toa doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
we're not advising you to do dumb things um, you
know, last thing I have on thetable here is this emergency
blanket.
It's pretty dense.
People are like, damn, that's abrick dude.
That's a lot thicker than thetiny little fold-up mylar
emergency blanket I have.
These are, uh, from, I believe,england is where these are made
, but blizzard ems blanket andthese have a legit like soft

(01:37:48):
gram fleece, insulated orpolyester, you know, uh, and
underside and then that liketypical mylar exterior.
So these are actually likequite a bit of step up from like
just your usual one and donedisposable ones.
Um, and you can find theseonline.
They are under the brand uh, ohno, their brand's literally

(01:38:10):
called blizzard ems and uh,they're pretty great.
But, um, this was recommendedto me specifically from guys who
do search and rescue andthey're like I can't tell you
how many times someone wouldhave made it had they just had
something like this that was,you know, a little bit denser
material than their emergencymylar blankets, because those

(01:38:30):
little emergency blankets arecaca.

Speaker 5 (01:38:32):
I mean, there's a couple applications you can use
them for, but really youactually have to use them with
other stuff, like you wrap themin that and then wrap them in a
sleeping bag.
So this, how large is this?

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Oh, dude, it's huge man.
Does it have dimensions onthere?
No, because it's freaking theBrits, bro.
I don't think the Brits puttheir dimensions on stuff yeah
cubits.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
But I mean, I think I thought it's 250 grams, which
means you know 250 grams dividedby 2.2 and you can do all that
shit this guy yeah, but I thinka blanket is a really important
part for a lot of kits likewhere you're at, yeah, yeah, in
particular well, and then also,when you lose a lot of blood,
you lose a shit ton of heat.
Yes, like a lot of times andwe've seen it before where

(01:39:17):
people have some hemorrhagingand they start experiencing
hypothermia, when it's only likeit's not super cold out it
might be like 40 degrees.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That's the thing.
Like ideal body temperature is37 degrees Celsius or 98.6,
right, like we know that thehuman body wants to be at that
and blood does a lot of theheating and cooling and hvac of
your um, of your system, and sohaving this to help preserve
what body heat you do have anddecrease the exposure from the

(01:39:48):
elements is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
so I'm not familiar with this product I'm not either
, but I'd be super interested incarrying that because I have
some crappy little red crossblankets that do squat.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
They're terrible.
Yeah, I think this applicationis for if you live in the
mountains, keep it in your car,otherwise, you know, bring this
in your backpacking stuff.
Or if you're a search andrescue guy, you know It'd be
good for first responders ingeneral.
That's true, yeah, and there issomething too about like just
bedside manner for perspectivefor first responders, whether

(01:40:28):
this thing's actually doinganything to save somebody's life
like you're talking comfortcare and like patient
relationship.
Yeah exactly if it's cold outand someone's kind of shivering
but they're going to be freaking, fine, well, that's okay, but
open this up and put around them.
It's going to help.
You know, like this is a fairlyversatile, you know, not very
big piece of gear for yourbigger med kits.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Yeah, not an IFAC piece, but I'd be interested to
mess around with it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
I'll definitely put it in the car.
I had a dude that died right infront of me from hypothermia,
so that definitely put it in thecar.
I had a dude that died right infront of me from hypothermia,
so that I mean, may have it was,was he?
Drunk?
no, he was not, oh very elderlyum just wandered out into the
street.
Um cut up his feet really badand fell down and then just
stayed there for who knows howlong.
But by the time we got there Iwas putting my crappy little

(01:41:16):
blankets on him and he wasalready very deep in the
hypothermia.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
So who's to say if?

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
maybe it could end up being.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
Was he shivering?

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
No Ah he's dead, he's too far, yep, but still, this
would be better than what youhad.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Yeah, yeah, so Well, and I think too, a lot of it
Like this would probably beoverkill, but I do still think
there's a purpose for thosemylar ones, especially when
someone's just got blood lossand just like wrapping them up
while you're moving them.
If you need to move them, soyou can get them to where
they're going to get theemergency services, uh, to save
their life, um, but all right,we went through a lot of good

(01:41:51):
stuff.
Mac, how about you bring it tothe table?
Because all my med kits arepretty much got the contents
that we've just gone over andrated already.
So, mac, if you, if you'reready and we can, we can blur
out stuff too in video, ifthere's any badges on your gear,
uh.
But if you want to takeanything off or just bring over
your med contents, you could dothat there is not any badging on

(01:42:12):
mine, however.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
My car got sent to the fleet because it had its
check engine light come on, andmy med kit sits right next to my
.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Oh, so I don't have my main thing with me, but all
right, I'll save the show andI'll get, I'll grab one of my
med kits.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
They're pretty standard.
I mean, a lot of the stuffwe've gone over is what's
already in there.
Um, on top of that, just on my,I carry a couple extra
tourniquets, a bunch of thatcompact packing gauze, a pair of
trauma shears that isn't in myIFAT kit, in case I leave it in
the car, and then a bunch ofgloves.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Quick aside before I go pee.
For those of you that want tocarry a window breaker on your
knife, which is moderatelystandard on a decent knife
nowadays have you ever triedopening the door or opening the
passenger door?

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
consider that alright , well, while we take a quick
break, we'll be back here in amoment.
Alright, great, good job, macMac.
Will you pass me?
Pass me a nice?
I haven't had any yet, and nowmy hands are free to drink one.
All right, great, good job, macMac.
Will you pass me a nice?
I haven't had any yet.
Yes.
And now my hands are free todrink one.
Which flavor do you want?
Oh, I don't care.
Mac Grab whichever here on thetable.
Give him the one you don't like.

(01:43:30):
Is the Sherber Response or aSherber Emergency Response Car
Kit, right, and so this ispretty cool, I think in a bag
setup response car kit, right,and so this is pretty cool, I
think in a bag setup um itvelcros onto a double buckle um
headrest attachment so youbuckle around your headrest,
keep it in place and then youjust velcro down there.

(01:43:50):
If you need to rip it off, yourip it off and it's got some
nice little molly panels on thefront.
The interior construction isnot great, the seams are not
good, but they're all right, um,so anyways, since good old mac
doesn't have his med kit, I justfigured we'd have, and this is
exactly as it comes.
I haven't done anything.

(01:44:10):
So again, just a real quick medkit teardown from rice aroni
here rice, go ahead, open it andthen let's just go through what
like comes in it, so that waypeople can see like pre-stocked
med kit already packaged.
The only thing I've done istake things out of their plastic
contents and put them in goodzippers you know what?
I mean, and we're breaking downa car kit this is a car, all

(01:44:32):
right, med kit.
This is not listed as a ifac, Ibelieve.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
I believe it's listed as oh, no, a car med kit all
right, so I I wanted to to pointthis at mick just because, uh,
I thought it was funny.
This is just a four by fourdressing.
This costs like 19 cents, butit's quick, quick clot, ah,
quick clot branded.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
So it's probably two bucks.
Uh, I don't, I mean all of itcame together, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
It is one four-ply, four-inch by four-inch
hemostatic dressing.
So this may actually have ahemostatic in it.
So maybe I'm wrong on the otherthings, if you need a
hemostatic four by four, I'm notsure what you're using it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
My hemorrhoids.
I had a serious hemorrhoidflare-up and I legit almost like
called the hospital because Iwas like this is too much blood
sure we're discussing this onnext week's podcast.
That's a teaser.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
I'm trying to see how centered I am on the tape
triangular bandage.
This is good for dislocatedshoulders, various injured upper
arm things.
Like you fracture your humerusor something.
It just holds it in place.
We're talking Boy Scout stuff,so we're gonna move on.

Speaker 5 (01:45:47):
If I tie it around my head, will I look like I'm in
Nam?
That's what the O-Lase is foroh right, right, no, I mean
before getting injured Over hereis various forms of gauze as
well.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
Huge fan Oval iPads mean before getting injured over
.
Here is various forms of gauzeas well.
Huge fan, uh, oval ipads.
They can go to hell.
All you have to do is taketrauma shears, cut this in half
and you have an oval ipad.
So I'm I'm not knocking mix no,I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
I don't feel like you are, I don't I.
I like, I did like I.
This was about 150 dollars,with keep in mind as it comes
with like it's headrest setup.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
Yeah, there's some stuff over here um it comes with
those high vent.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
Yeah, and these are probably the reason it was 150.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Yeah, because this pack right here is what 30, 40
bucks or something I thinkthey're 60 now.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
Jeez louise, yeah thanks obama, and part and part
of what we're talking about, too, is unlike where you, where
we're shitting on gauze sizes orwhatever, the main thing being
have the mindset to go.
I can cut this because I haveshears in my stuff.
Right.
To be like okay, I don't need48 types of gauze, I need one

(01:46:54):
good type of gauze and then Ican cut it, I can use it Right.
So that's kind of like to theapplication you need it to be in
.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
We have the barbecue joint antiseptic towelettes for
when you have a good rack ofribs or something.
Honestly, these are good forwhether you're camping or
whatever, just cleaning off yourhands of whether it's blood,
dirt, barbecue sauce, doesn'tmatter, it's good Tape.
We haven't really talked aboutthis but, um, I don't know if
you've ever tried to like dothis with tape when your

(01:47:26):
adrenaline's high.
What I do a little pro tipyou'll find this on all fire
trucks and ambulances that Icome across is flag it right
here.
Take a quarter inch or so.
Put it like this whether yougot ski gloves on, whether you
got your nitrile gloves on, youalways have the ability to pull.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
I will say I didn't pre-stage this, but what I
usually do too, for, like myactual.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Do you do the triangle?

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Yep, I do the yeah, just fold over and back like
that, which is also how I stagemy TQs with that Velcro tab, so
that way I can get them outquick.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
I saw Mac do that as well with his like, just
instinctually.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
That's how the house cleaners prep my toilet paper.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
Yeah, the hotel waiting stuff House cleaners.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
I was going to say yeah bro, this is the booming.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
This just looks like Curlix, also known as rolled
gauze.
I think it's less ply than yourregular gauze, but it's good
for wrapping up like you hurt afinger or something.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
It could be a minor head woundwhich fun fact.
Everyone head wounds bleed alot, even if they're very
superficial.
Just have children, they'llshow you that right here.

(01:48:31):
Purified water this is anophthalmic solution, meaning it
goes in your eyes.
So, um, this is good forwashing out eyes, whether it's
shrapnel, whether it's dirt,whether it's pepper spray Pepper
spray, good point.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
I will say this I got a trick for you, though I
didn't know that.
When I proposed to Billie Jeanthat I was marrying the woman
with the biggest eyes in theworld that have magnets behind
them, because stuff likebeelines to go in her eyeballs
and so this right here was likeone of the things I was like, oh
, why have I not just beencarrying that in my car anyways?

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
and is this the if?
If you can put it in your eyesis this it could use this in the
same application you weretalking about earlier with the
the flushing wounds, no, the bigpressure band.
Oh, the abdominal pad,abdominal pad, right so like
right, you could take this outand squirt it on there.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
I can't tell you like you should do that.
Would I feel comfortable doingit personally Right, not
operating under a doctor'slicense as a paramedic Right
Different ballgame.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
Right, yeah, but if I'm going to squirt it in my
eyes, I could squirt it on myblood wound.
Yeah, right, so this ismultiple use.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
So there's going to be a lot more salinity to that
potentially than standardsterile water and saline, I
believe, but I could be wrong.
I hope someone lights me up inthe comments.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Wouldn't that that in my basic understanding wouldn't
?

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
that be better for killing bad stuff if there's
more saline more salinity no,salt doesn't kill the bad stuff
all right, okay, a lot

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
of salt will okay you're talking like.
So the ocean is five percentsalinity plus or minus the
pacific ocean at least, right,and the your, your natural
isotonic solution that you haveof sodium chloride in your
bloodstream is 0.9.
So there's this entire range.
Like if you just boil pastawater, it's going to be a

(01:50:32):
varying salinity and I can'ttell you at what um salinity
wounds do well, or where there'san actual like let's get to
lord of the rings like saltedpork, right, I don't know what
the salinity is there forpreservation and what's gonna be
good.
All right, all right.
Next stuff yeah, sorry.
Hey, look at this.
That's a nice product rightthere.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Look at all those blue gloves, dude, aren't those
pretty nifty?
Yeah, here's the thing, thoughthey don't need to be
individually wrapped.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
I would probably throw throw it in a Ziploc like
the Ziploc snack bag and justhave like 12 of them in there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
You know what, like I said, I literally just staged
it so it would be here for youto tear apart.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
I'm not making fun of you, I'm just thinking out loud
.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
If you're going to have like a universal kit, get
the large gloves.
Your hands are wet and sweatyfrom the stress of you going to
or?
Dealing with some of thisAlways get larger gloves I carry
.
I've got average probablymedium-sized hands, yeah, and I
only carry the Put them in, putthose puppies in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Ooh yeah, all the people who want it.
There'll be more of that lateron the Patreon.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
The only fans.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
No, you're Only flan-gees yeah uh, no, you're
only full.
And geez, yeah, uh, mac, you're100.
Right, because I remember atthe jail I always went for the
double xl gloves.
Yes, because I'm like dude, Ican't waste time trying to put
these puppies on, and it'salways quick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
You gotta put them on quick, so always I don't even
carry anything but extra largegloves.
Yeah, size up yep, uh I.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
I'm a tiny dude to begin with and I rock larges
when stress hits the fan.
That's my like go-to um.
Normally I can wear mediums,like in the surgical suite.
I'm a small to medium, but inthe field I'm about a large um
when I'm sweating and I just gotoff a fire or something like
that, right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
so roni this little black mat here this.
Wait, flip it over so peoplecan see.
All right, what does that looklike to you guys?

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
Is that a Sam splint for your finger?
Well, it is, I think Is thatpretty.
I'm pretty sure it's asplint-free finger.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
I thought this was to keep someone from breaking
their teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
I think, it looks delicious.
Well, I did bite into it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
I did bite into it.
It's a neck.
I did bite it too.
It looks like an airhead.
Or if you break your peckerafter visiting a woman of the
night and you got to get in yourtruck.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Don't joke about that .

Speaker 5 (01:52:48):
Sorry, what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
It's a finger splint.
Okay, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
I will say this If you're afraid of breaking your
teeth from pain, you could alsobite on it, and I think you'd be
okay, you're just gonna sinkyour teeth into aluminum, though
, dude, not gonna break them,the aluminum's gonna scrape the
shit out of your teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
I'd rather have scraped teeth than shattered.
No teeth, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Valid.
I just don't know whatapplication I'd use this in.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Finger splint.
I broke my fingy and I gottadrive without it hurting more.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
I'm going to go back to soccer mom.
I'm going to go to soccer mom.
Medicine and buddy tape, thatshit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Yeah, okay, whatever bro.
Thank you Whoever made this bag.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
Well, and it is our.
Anytime you buy a prebuilt kit,the main way they're marketing
to you is by like the number ofitems in it.
They're like 148 items, but itwith 100 band-aids.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Right, we have a fucking sharpie and we have this
right.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
I will say I will say the sharpie, I think literally
actually edged out a coupleother kits, because a lot of
kits would come in with shitwith no way of marking anything,
and the fact that I got a freshsqueaky sharpie with this one,
I was like I was like becausehere's the thing too what a lot
of people don't know and whatI'm about to review here, is
that everything you've seen,even the emergency blanket, you

(01:54:09):
can use your hsa health savingsaccount or flex savings account
to buy yes, tax free.
If you you buy Sharpies or youbuy the not splints but the
shears or things like that, orthe eye wash outside of these
kits, you cannot buy them withyour HSA tax-free.

(01:54:29):
So that's what I'm saying islike there are certain things
like this, when you're thinkingabout in the way of saving money
, and if you have those accountsand you want to leverage them,
especially a flex savings thatgoes away at the end of the year
and you're like shit, I gotthree grand in my flex savings
that needs to be spent.
These are great ways to do it,and some of them come with stuff
that you wouldn't be able tobuy otherwise.
So, I hope that kind of clearsup why there's a Sharpie and why

(01:54:52):
I really wanted a Sharpie.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
Sharpies aren't breaking the bank, Like I don't
care about the tax on thesharpie, but when you're looking
mac, what I'm saying is whenyou're looking at these pre-made
kits, yeah, and one's comingwith something already in it
that is just like put it in andforget it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
And it's coming with, you know, an extra couple pairs
of gloves and it's things thatyou will buy separately to
complete the kit.
That is not going to be, youknow, tax deductible from your
hsa and stuff.
Then it's like, okay, that ekesout why you might get one
product over another outside ofthe one I have at work.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
I've built all my own kits, because there's always
the little.
Did you spend your own money?

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
I just I'm curious, oh yeah because I know this guy
hasn't bought a medical productin like 30 years.
They.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
They were gifted to me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
Is that the acronym you're using now gifted?

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
They were gifted, acquired.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
It's acquired when you're in the military.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
Tactically acquired in the military.
I would never do that.
None of these products wereliberated from a warehouse that
was collecting dust.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Anyways.
Okay, all right, ricearoni, aswe come to a close here, help me
understand your thoughts andkind of the closing arguments on
this.
Is there anything you'd reallydo to tear like one scale of one
to 10?
I'm not a super highly medicaltrained person, metaphorically
and I see this available forlike 130, 150 bucks somewhere in

(01:56:17):
there and I just buy it,install it in my car in my
headrest.
It's big, it's red and it'sthere in my car for me or my
family to use.
How do you feel about thatprice point and what's coming in
it?

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
I can't talk to price at all because I I feel like
that's a disservice.
Um sure, overall it's.
It's good contents.
Right, we didn't even get intothis, but I think people have an
understanding of what thisemergency trauma dressing is
overall.
You've got everything fromboo-boos to big bleeds and it's
big, bright and red, which Iknow a lot of tactical people

(01:56:51):
want coyote, brown or olive,drab, green or black to be
tactical, but this is a car kitfor you and your family.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Red's a good thing, like yeah, hey, this is what you
need in case of emergency andespecially like I'm thinking in
the practice, like this goes inbilly jean's car, this one does
for sure.
And I'm thinking like if carrolls over, I want to be able to
fucking see this if there's nolight yeah, I'd give it an eight
out of ten just for that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Um, it's nothing too fancy.
I haven't bought a medicalsupplies in over 30 years
according to mix.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
So I don't, I can't put a price point on it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
But quality wise, you know, I'd get rid of some
things, substitute them for someothers that I have laying
around, but overall, yeah, it'sgood stuff, man.

Speaker 1 (01:57:29):
Cool, cool, all right .
Well, and I would say, likejust about every other kit other
than the ones that came withthe decompression needles,
pretty much came with the samestuff.
Um, for the most part some ofthem were more expensive because
you pay the tactical tax, right, you pay the tax for the molly
and the the webbing on it to goon to your plate carrier and
chest rig, but overall that'skind of what we're looking at

(01:57:50):
here, so cool.
Well, hey, I appreciate yourguys's opinions and thoughts.
I got.
I do want to hand it over toyou guys for kind of, like you
know, final closing statementsand just kind of thoughts and
stuff.
We don't it doesn't have to beone sentence, right, like we can
, we could talk a little bithere with whatever you guys
would like to, um, but that'spretty much covering everything
I wanted to address and get onthe table for people to see and
hear from.

(01:58:11):
You know firsthand emergencyresponders, like what we use and
what we don't use.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
So I would say.
I mean, if you have the time,I'd like to talk real quick just
about if we were building ourown kit, if we weren't going out
and buying a pre-put-togetherthing.
What are the items that we'regoing to buy to build that kit
up?

Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Start with the gauze.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Buy gauze.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
I showed it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Don't even buy gauze according.
Showed it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Don't even buy gauze according to rice aroni, just
like have a friend who hasunlimited gauze access.
Yeah, my answer is different toto mac than it is to your
average.
Um, civilian, right like thisis coming from a dude that's
been shot at in a few differentcountries and a dude that's been
on SWAT calls.
Um has been inside burningbuildings and has seen a bunch
of medical emergencies.
Right like it really varies.

(01:59:02):
Um, I have an end of.
Sorry, I'm getting emails.
Um, go look up prep medic.
He's got an exact video on thatquestion of how do I build my
own ifac.
You'll hear people refer to itas JFAC, which is just the same
thing, but the military changedthe name a little bit.

(01:59:24):
Go do some research yourself.
Bleeding control is definitelynecessary.
Go look up.
Stop the bleed kits.
Consider your family, yourenvironment.
You know if you got a kid withallergies, consider epinephrine,
benadryl, et cetera.
If you are exposed torespiratory illnesses in your
family, look at albuterol andinhalers, like inhalers are.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
A great thing that we didn't get into that a lot of
people can utilize, Because oneof my questions to you would be
what are the things, what sortof things?
If people had had them, they'dstill be alive.
Or if their family had them,you know that sort of like if
people had had them, they'dstill be alive.
Or if their family had them.
You know that sort of like,common sense and there's
obviously like mindset, commonsense, ability to use what you

(02:00:09):
have, but then like and I thinkprobably things like albuterol,
epinephrine, those are probablythe things that like training
and fitness for sure a lot oftimes it's just if someone put
their loved one or friend orwhatever into the recovery
position what's the recoveryposition?

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
left lateral position .
Just google that shit.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Um like laying in the fetal position on your left or
right side, you know you cankind of tuck the legs in a way
to where it self-balances, where, like, the body doesn't rotate
and fall over, especially ifyou're overdosing Like Matt is
kind of alluding to so they canbreathe.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
Why would you do that ?
It's so they breathe in.

Speaker 3 (02:00:47):
If they vomit, they vomit on the side and they don't
pull a breaking bad.

Speaker 5 (02:00:51):
Right, yeah, yep, so, yeah.
So to help them clear theirairway and breathe, yeah, clear
their airway and breathe.

Speaker 3 (02:00:57):
Yeah, I mean, the first week of EMT school is
airway, breathing, circulation,right, ABCs, and it goes way
in-depth into that as you getinto, like the undergrads and
the paramedics and critical careand all that.
So yeah, I can't really advisefor particular products besides
what I've mentioned.
And even then, like I'm wrongand I'm probably arrogant and so

(02:01:19):
I'm stuck in my ways a bit andI've got to learn from other
people too.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
I think it's one.
I think you could say what youwant to say in regarding to
products like what you like andstuff.
No one's going to be like, ohwait, a fucking med guy that is
anonymous.
You know what I mean.
Like you can recommend what youwant, no one's going to care
here.
I mean like you can recommendwhat you want, no one's going to
care here.
But I will say to like to yourpoint about, like you know,
having the humility to be like,hey, this is what works for me

(02:01:44):
and it might not be what worksfor everyone.
I had my IFAC, not super squaredaway before my most recent IFAC
class, but there was a coupleof things in there, like the
same splint, and it was in mychess rig, recce IFAC.
When the guy who's running thecourse he tore down everybody's
ifac, it's like, hey, man, youjust don't need this in here.
I was like, well, I have it inthere for, like you know, it's a

(02:02:06):
, it's a recce chess rig, soit's what I'm gonna be wearing.
If I'm like out in themountains or connoisseur, he's
like, okay, all right, fine.
But like you know, from hisperspective of like plate most
people were wearing platecarriers and stuff.
He he's like you don't needthis on here.
If you're wearing a platecarrier, you're in a direct
action environment or something.
You probably don't need a SAMsplint.
And I was like, interesting,cool, didn't know that.

(02:02:27):
But it was something where Iwas like, okay, these are two
different perspectives ofexperience that I've gotten
information on.
Both are probably valid.
Right, it's about a time andplace and making your kit
prepared for that time and place.

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
I got a perfect example.
I was training with Pat earlierthis week doing some active
shooter and hostage rescuesituations and I showed him a
Mega Mover, which is just thisgiant sheet that weighs about a
pound and a half or so thatfolds up nice and easy and fits
in most SWAT guys their entryvest.
So we're not talking a reccerig, we're not talking like

(02:03:01):
chest plate carrier stuff, we'retalking an entry vest which is
big, bulkier, bulkier, heavier,harder to move your shoulders in
that's like.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
That looks a lot like the uh full collared cry
precision stuff right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:16):
So it looks like the type of armor from a video game
yeah, you look like thejuggernaut from modern warfare
medium, medium juggernauts, yeahyeah, but this thing I can.

Speaker 3 (02:03:25):
I can roll pat onto it.
If he's like down, he's out,he's, he's down for the count
like he's been shot or whatever.
I can deploy that thing, flapit out, roll him onto it and
drag his ass out in a matter ofseconds.
I'm not carrying that on arecce rig, but if I'm on a SWAT
mission, we all carry that,because if we have officer down
or whatever.
We're running that and it's acool product.

(02:03:47):
I don't recommend it forcivilians, but it is a really,
really useful thing that I'veused on a lot of calls, whether
it's just a medical call,whether it's a SWAT call I.

Speaker 5 (02:03:59):
I think, for in that case too, like if you're a
backpacking guide, put that inyour bag right.
Like you, you're under thevolume problem if you're
backpacking right, but meaning,but right, I'm not talking about
a lot of time was like, ifyou're the, if you're the person
responsible for other people,then yeah, have that in your
like.
Just first get like, like, like, like, whatever, like, like.

(02:04:20):
That's the type of thing like.
Or a outfitter guide, whatever,like.
If you're back out where yougot to get somebody out and, um,
you know, yeah, you can get outyour saw and cut down two
lodgepole pines and lash themtogether with some P cord and
then fold the blanket in thirds,but this thing's like this
thing's small enough that, like,uh, be worth it to.

(02:04:42):
You know that sort ofapplication where, okay, you're,
I'm responsible for people inthe back country, or that.
In that sort of application Ithought, I thought it was
something that could be um used.
Well, in that case too, I mean,it's, it's, it's so, it's.
It was so small and so lightyeah, what's it called?

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
what's like the even smaller or like more lightweight
ones?

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Talking to sked the plastic ones.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, halfback sked yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:06):
We use that for trench rescue and collapse
rescue all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
Yeah, and that's just like something I've seen that a
lot of people start integratinginto their like recce rigs,
right Of just like.
Hey, it's pretty much a onetime use thing, but it is going
to let you get a dude on it andif you need to, you can drag him
through stuff and tie it off tothe year back, or if you got
enough guys, you can carry himpretty quick.
But I have seen those kind ofgrowing to more popularity.

(02:05:31):
Cool, well, hey, I think thatwas a great episode.
Boys, appreciate you coming inand joining us.
Uh, some some of our kin tocome on the podcast and speak to
the rest of y'all.
Um, I will say, if there's anykind of final statements, you
know well, like, just advicedoesn't have to be medical, uh,

(02:05:52):
cause this is usually where wekind of leave with our final
signed off.
Uh, what do you got for them?
Rice-a-roni.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Get fit.
Learn how to operate understress.

Speaker 1 (02:06:03):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Mac when dealing with anything medical.
Keep the blood in, keep theheat in, get them to a higher
level of care.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Move quick.

Speaker 2 (02:06:13):
Move quick.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Excellent.
Well, I don't have anything tosay to that.
You guys both are the expertshere in speaking, taking the
words right out of my mouth.
Pat, you got anything for us?

Speaker 5 (02:06:26):
No, yeah, I think that it's what you guys are
saying.
You can buy every piece of gear, piece of equipment on the map,
but if you don't know how touse it, it doesn't matter.
I've talked about this beforeon the podcast too, but it's

(02:06:47):
just like your mindset mattersso much because we want to talk
about the cool stuff.
Like I just got into a room and48 people have just been shot
and I killed a bad guy myselfand now I've got to do
everything.

Speaker 3 (02:06:59):
I have one thing to talk about once you're done.
I killed a bad guy myself andnow I've got to.
You know, do everything andwhatever, like, whatever, like,
you know, like, whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
I have one thing to talk about once you're done, you
know it's like, it's like with,like, you think about like all
that stuff, and then it goes allthe way down to like, what
about when just a car wrecks andyou got to react to help
somebody, right, like, and like,like it could, because you play

(02:07:25):
out all the, all the extremescenarios and, um, you, you have
to be able to manage yourselfunder those situations of stress
.
And then, yeah, you should havethe stuff with you to help and
you don't want to regret nothaving those things with you
either.
And so it's a balance and it'sa training thing.
It's also, um, don't likementally masturbate all your
crazy, you know, you know, uh,scenarios just go.

(02:07:45):
Hey, a guy might punch his armthrough a window and now his arm
is bleeding so bad he's goingto die.
Yeah.
And I got to do something aboutit, right Cause those are all
the things that we're all goingto encounter so much more often,
and even those things are rare,but that's are all the things
that we're all going toencounter so much more often.
Even those things are rare, butthat's the more likely cases.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
And that's even the difference between a patrol
level and a SWAT level.
It's not what you're doing iscomplicated.
It is just doing the samesimple thing over and, over and
over again.
It's mastering the simple task.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
The first thing dispatch asks for when you call
911 is your address the end.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
Good point.
Well, kid, know where you areWith that.
Thanks for joining us, untilnext time, Thank you.

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