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Remember when comment sections were places of camaraderie rather than battlefields? When passionate hobbyists would write 3,000-word forum posts about their experiences, and strangers would genuinely engage with them? The internet has transformed dramatically, and not necessarily for the better.

In this thought-provoking episode, we explore the increasingly popular "Dead Internet Theory" - the belief that the majority of online engagement now comes from AI bots rather than real humans. We share personal experiences that support this theory, from the suspicious patterns in YouTube comments to the dramatic difference between online engagement now versus a decade ago.

The evidence is compelling: generic usernames consisting of first name, last name, and a few digits dominating finance video comments with identical scam setups. The increasing difficulty for content creators to gain organic traction without paying for promotion. The rise of self-censorship as users weigh whether expressing an opinion is worth potential future repercussions. All signs point to a fundamental shift in our digital landscape.

Beyond the internet's transformation, we delve into recent government changes, particularly focusing on leadership reshuffling at federal agencies like the FBI and ATF. These changes may signal shifting approaches to information regulation and could potentially impact how online spaces are governed moving forward.

Whether you're a nostalgic internet veteran or simply curious about the forces shaping your online experience, this episode offers valuable perspective on our digital reality. Are you interacting with real people online, or just sophisticated algorithms? Listen now and decide for yourself.

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Speaker 2 (00:01):
sometimes I see stuff on reddit of people like
commenting like you're none.
Of you are real like you're all, it's all.
You're all bots, bro, just allbots having an argument yeah, um
, I do believe the internet'sdead actually the internet is
dead.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I believe majority of quote-unquote accounts on the
internet are now bots, just botsand fake stuff.
I'm actually going to startdoing this thing.
It's called Mixed Miscellaneous.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
And it's just going to be videos edited to the
background of.
Well, videos will be edited andit'll be me doing whatever
right shooting guns, drivingaround, whatever um, cleaning
guns, painting guns but theconversation will always be

(00:55):
about, uh, you know, somethingelse.
Usually, and the first one Iwant to talk about is the dead
internet theory, which there's alot of things out there already
talking about it, but now Ijust want to talk about it from
an experience thing of how youcan probably experience that the
internet's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, and I think the Gen Alpha folks are kind of
going to be the first ones to bedone with it in a big way.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
As far as it's existed their whole life.
But it's also existed in thishorrible state of like,
misinformation, just like,littered with, like you're
saying bots, craziness.
It's old news and so for themit's like what's the big like?

(01:45):
No, I don't think I need thatthing.
They're just going to have arobot in their house to like
answer questions or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Like you know, because the tool of the internet
is shifting 100%, because Idon't see this anywhere more
clearly than when I am lookingfor very niche, obscure
information for, like, a certaingun build.
I'm doing right Mm-hmm, andwhat I see is that I will go.

(02:23):
Maybe you guys can all hearTakani in the background wailing
.
My dog is unhappy that shecan't see out the windows.
But what I see, more thananything else on the internet,
is like I'll go to these forumsand these forums are long story
tale forums, you know, with likepeople having written on them

(02:44):
in like 2008, and they're likestory for you all about.
You know what I, how I learnedabout my mid-length rifle gas
system, yada, yada.
And this dude dude, you knowwhoever he was.
He went to this forum and hewrote, you know, a 1 000, 3 000
word story recap, very wellwritten actually.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, not just like internetgarble speak, but he rewrites

(03:08):
this and to his credit.
You know the forum, the peoplewho are reading it.
They watch and like readthrough his whole thing and then
respond and engage with them onit.
And I genuinely realized justthe other day I was like the
internet, like before there waslike easy, streamable video on
the internet.
You used to just read storiesand like write out long stories

(03:33):
where there are stories of yourday, right, and like people
who'd be like yeah, duh, blogs,like no, but like dude.
I don't think a lot of peoplerealize that, like the
generation above, like beforemillennials, used the internet
as, like the whole internet wasessentially a slow chat room, um
, and or like basically like ashared diary, yeah, that you got

(03:55):
to let other people engage them, but you got to like remain
anonymous on, and entertainmentfor the internet wasn't super
fast, constant, you know, uh,appetizing videos that you just
get to scroll through, scrollthrough, scroll through and like
short meme images or whatever.
The internet hardly had anyimages Like it was just the
forums with, like you're verysmall, like not even 256 pixels,

(04:20):
probably like you know, a 16pixel by 16 pixel avatar, six
pixels probably, like you know,a 16 pixel by 16 pixel avatar,
um, and it was just I thoughtlike I had like an epiphany
moment where, like there was aday probably when a lot of these
forum users were like damn, notthat many people are watching
my, like reading my stuff andengaging Right, I guess I got to
make a YouTube video whenYouTube was coming out Right and

(04:43):
the firstlike video blogs are coming out
and then the vlogs now I think,are feeling it because
engagements down and no onewants to watch long form content
.
You got to get it in under aminute, yeah.
And well, even podcasts arefeeling that too.
Like you, you see, likepodcasts are.
I would say podcasts are pasttheir peak, like, and I know

(05:05):
that may seem strange because alot of people like, oh, dude,
like, but they're like thepodcasters have all the
influence and authority.
Now, the way you know, primetimenews anchors used to have like,
yeah, but like they, they hadthat before you realized it, and
now that everyone's kind ofrealizing it and everyone's
trying to hop in on the game ofit, it's like kind of one of

(05:25):
those things where I feel likeit's uh, you know, people are
getting on the train, as mostpeople are getting off, like,
because podcasters are gettingoff right, they're becoming
directors of the fbi, like ifyou're leaving podcasting to be
a deputy director, like I thinkpodcast has gotten as high as it
can get, you know.
Anyways, all that said that's along story to essentially say

(05:50):
like I had an epiphany momentand in that epiphany I realized
there's a good chance, that partof the reason why podcast is
dead and like there's not goingto be a return to form for these
other types of content isbecause the internet is dead and
it's just literally full of aijabronis, um, that are just like

(06:11):
arguing with each other backand forth and it's nothing ever.
Oh my gosh, my dog is literallyattacking pat right now with
her love.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean, she's not attacking.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
She's so gentle and like she just wants attention,
but I I have no idea what'sgoing on has she ever tried to
run on you like does she boltout the door?
Like not come back, she doesn'tbolt out the door, but there's
been a couple times on leashwhere she has gone spooked and
wanted to run away.
Um, I can't think of a timewhere she's tried to run after

(06:47):
something, though.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's one of my least favorite traits in a dog.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's like the desire to leave you Just the runner
yeah.
She wants a seat at the table.
Dude she wants to get on mic.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
This dog is giant.
She's getting up on the table.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
She's 80 pounds.
She's actually like you seeother anatolian shepherds and
you'd be like she's kind ofruntish.
But then you see you're next tolike a golden retriever.
You're like she's a really biggolden retriever oh yeah, no
good dog.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, I think what the internet thing too is like.
I mean, obviously, like theinternet the word the internet
is almost too broad of a thingnow right, like because we use
networks, and, uh, I meanwatching netflix, that's the
internet.
Or, like you know, getting youremail, that's the internet.

(07:41):
Whatever, like you know, um,there's so many different things
, but, like the internet as weknow, it is shifting, changing.
It's not just this.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Like, it's not a new frontier, like, did you ever
grow up playing flash games onthe computer, like internet
flash games, or did you have,like those, blocked?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
um, I played some.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, like those are all dead and gone yeah, there's
like one single website now thatis a repository for a bunch of
those that got backed up beforethey got annihilated, but all
the flash game sites are dead,right, and that's how you know.
Also, like something changed?
Yeah, because that used to bethe thing where you go play the
game and you leave a comment,and that comment was literally

(08:24):
to talk crap about the game orto talk crap to other people
playing it, and it wasn't live,right, there's no way for it to
be live and you leave a commentand you probably never go back
and read it.
But it was just a way of like amild modicum of interaction for
those things and those arecompletely gone and we're used
now to like the instantnotification of a reply or

(08:47):
response to something and youkind of like have to pick your
battles of what you're going toengage on now, because there's
so much.
It used to be, I feel like forthe internet.
There was no, like there was nohaving to pick your battles.
It was like it's just here andlike you can browse and surf as
much of it as you want and youhave all the time in the world

(09:08):
and if you don't like this game,you just click back and go pick
the next game right there,there was like an age of
camaraderie too.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like the comment, the comment section used to be a
place of camaraderie, yeah, youknow like, but because it became
, even if even if you hadsomething negative to say, it
still was just like.
But now it's just like.
If you're not the world'sleading expert on whatever thing
you want to make a comment on,or if you're also not the

(09:35):
world's leading expert onwhatever topic you're going to
post about, you're going getit's like before.
Like used to be like kind oflike whatever someone would.
Someone would just say like oh,this is, this was so cool.
I remember something like thisand someone's like yeah, me too
and the other guy.
They start talking like yeah,this is exactly how it was back

(09:55):
when I, you know, lived in xtown in missouri.
Yeah, like, oh, no way bro.
Like that's where I'm from too.
Yeah, and like.
That was like the kind of likeconnection.
The comments were a connectingplace, not a place of just
straight like just art, likesenseless, like yeah it's like
the end of Rome, the Senate, andthe end of Rome, yeah, when

(10:18):
they're just all like idiotsarguing in a room.
That's the comment sectionhere's.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Here's how I think the internet's a dead.
There.
I had a youtube channel I madegrowing up as a kid.
Um, you know what I'm not evengonna.
I'm not gonna play any of thevideos here because I don't want
any of those.
I don't know if some peoplewant to be associated like.
It was me and kids, right, likewe were.
We were in middle school orhigh school, yeah, making these
videos, so, like, some peoplemight not want just to be aired

(10:45):
out on the podcast as, like,from their childhood days, right
, yeah, um, but I know that, um,some of them have tens of
thousands of views and I knowone of them has over 500 000
views.
Yeah, and they were very loweffort.
Well, I guess I'll say they'rea lot of effort for a middle

(11:08):
school kid, but they're very loweffort for, like, the kind of
content, quality and production.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now, right, like low, yeah, exactly yeah and um, it
honestly was.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
It's one of those things where, like, I look at it
now and I'm just like dude there, why?
Why is it harder to like, getviewership and, you know, spread
um, you know, uh, aconversational or engaging piece
of media, um, nowadays than itwas then, because then it felt

(11:42):
so much easier to like post avideo and you know, you get your
first hundred views orengagement or whatever.
And now it's just like dude.
It feels like if you're notpaying money to grease the
wheels or making the like latesttrend algo, or making it your
full-time, go at it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Then it's like so many people are like I quit my
job and I just went for it allthe way.
It's's like, what about havinga hobby, you know?
Or like, yeah, to make ithappen, because it is hard too,
like in those spaces, like inthe whole world, do you even
exist if you don't have, like afollowing Right?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, the number one video on here 324,000 views nice
, that's.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's a good chunk of views right there, and but it
was like zero effort, man.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know it was crazy and it's just like you see that
and like what people loved backin the day and people freaking
love that video yeah, and it wasjust like that's bonkers.
To me that's unreal, because Ido think the content that we
make and a lot of content outthere that I've seen a lot of
people on YouTube make, I kindof enjoy finding the smaller

(12:54):
users who only have a couplethousand views, maybe only a
couple hundred, on stuff.
Sometimes it's reallyhigh-quality content but for
some reason it doesn't getpicked up by that.
I'll be honest.
It doesn't get picked up bythat, like you know.
I'll be honest, it doesn't getpicked up by the bot feed.
The bots aren't constantlywatching it and flushing it and
like, when they're watching itit gets pumped up in numbers and

(13:14):
views and stuff and then itgets disseminated to normal
people and because bots don't dothat and like they click on it
and then they click off orsomething like that, because
they don't think it's going tohave like higher ad return
revenue or whatever, because ofcontent related to the
description or what people aretalking about, Then it never
makes it to the designatedaudience and I think that's so

(13:36):
sad because that is like there'sno soul to it.
And then you get these contentcreators who are making great
stuff and it's getting slept onconstantly.
I don't know.
It's just in that I genuinelythink like the Internet is dead.
Because of that, my number onepost on Reddit is a prank video.

(13:56):
Of course even though I'vecommented on, like I've had like
super engaging posts on Redditregarding, like unique AI models
that I was working on andtrying to resolve certain like
problems and, like you know,some really great, like highly
educational stuff, that wasreally, I would say, like new to

(14:18):
the content or of like the ofthe domain right, like we've had
conversations there that I knowwere like the first
conversation of a certain topicin AI and like those posts did
not get remotely the same amountof engagement or leverage.
You know that, haha.
Prank video on reddit got it isI don't know.
It could be just like, yeah,that's user base right, but also

(14:40):
it's one of those things whereI'm just like dude.
I genuinely believe like mostof the engagement on the prank
stuff is just bots reposting itand it's a lot harder for a bot
to repost and know where to putquestions about machine learning
, algorithms and certain contextuses.
Anyways.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think choice, yeah, yeah, I think, uh,
it's weird.
Yeah, it's not dead in that itis now 90.
It's, it's a.
It's so integrated into ourlifestyle but because of the
fact that it is so involved now,it is, in a way, it's dead too

(15:22):
you know it's just like, yeah,there's certain parts or certain
places out there on theinternet where it's just like
it's not worth your time or yourengagement and and, yeah, it is
funny when you do get on, youclick on something and, like we
said the beginning of this,where it was like, oh, I think
every comment on here is justfake accounts arguing with one

(15:45):
another, you know, and and it's,it's a pretty wild.
That's even a thing like my, mybrain, my, like my quote
unquote, like generation, andI'm kind of like loving myself a
little bit older folks in there.
It's just like I don't even getit.
It's just like it's just sosilly to even think there's a

(16:08):
world that exists where therecould be, uh, people fake things
arguing on the internet thatare actually influencing the
success of information gettingout to people and I think, and
that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think, right, it's like it's a lot harder to whip
up and generate.
You know real users to be fakeinterested about something, so
that way it's promoted ondifferent platforms.
It that requires more effortand more policing of those
people to keep it like the hoodon it or the lid on it, and then

(16:47):
to do it with bots, though,where you know bots are never
going to accidentally slip outand be like yeah, actually, like
that was like you know a couplehundred of us all working
together to like cross promotethis thing everywhere.
Right, it just be no dude, it'sjust an automated thing.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
You flip a switch and then just blast this link out
to a million different thingswith, you know, thousands of
engagements on each one.
And yeah, I think that it'schanging in the way we consume
information, the way everybodysees.
Stuff Like the bot is alsobecoming ineffective because
people see through it, peoplesee, people know what they're
looking at now.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, for sure.
And so, and I think a lot ofthat um well, have you, have you
seen any of those things onYouTube where it's like have you
, have you ever watched like afinance video on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, I've watched a few, yeah on youtube.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I've watched a few.
Yeah, most finance videos arepredominantly filled with long
comment back and forth setupscams by bots and it's always
like a first name, last name andthen three or four numbers
afterwards and someone's likeman, this is really good stuff,
but I just wish I knew where tostart.
And then the reply to that islike yeah, me too, if I honestly
, I'm just trying to get intoyou know crypto, but I'm having

(18:13):
a hard time figuring out theproper day time trades.
And then someone's like hey,you know, I actually just made
six figures over the last yearby following this person's
advice on this.
Here's the link.
And it's like oh, yeah, I'veheard about her.
She's a great likecryptocurrency investor
strategist.
And it's like how do you talkto her?
It's like, oh, I just get ahold of her through whatsapp.

(18:33):
You can get her at her, likethrough this whatsapp number.
And it's, of course, going tobe like a crypto scam where it's
like give us a thousand dollars, we'll give you ten thousand
back right, yeah um, but youlook at that you're like, okay,
right, this is, this is spam.
You go to the next comment.
Pretty much the same thing,same setup, just a different
name, different number right,yeah and you just keep going
down and all the usernames forthose youtube accounts.

(18:55):
They're all first name, lastname, like two to four digits
afterwards and it's the wholeway down.
Never in any of those issomeone's name.
Like monkey, platypus eatsbrains for dessert you know what
I mean like yeah, like dude.
I remember my first like youtubeusername was just goober stuff,
you know, and that's whateveryone did for the like

(19:18):
usernames that's what becauseeveryone wants to use real
creativity and it's likeguaranteed.
When you're looking at youtubeand someone's like just a first
name, last name, numbers, it'slike, yeah, but, and that's that
.
Honestly, scroll through thecomments that's overwhelmingly
the majority of comments and yougo to their channels.
They've never created anything.
They've never really created aplaylist, even I'm like bro, I

(19:40):
don't even trust things thatdon't have playlists, because if
it doesn't have a playlist,that means it's not even
actually liking any videos,because if you like videos,
youtube creates an automaticplaylist of liked videos, right?
So, anyway, all that said, I'mpretty sure majority of
YouTube's fake.
Now, yeah, and it's kind ofweird to say that, but I'm

(20:01):
mostly positive and I think too,like when we were marketing the
podcast, which it's very hardfor people who don't know to
market a podcast, um, but wehave solely marketed through
google ads and marketing throughgoogle ads, there were times
where I saw literally the let'ssay, I gave it a hundred dollars

(20:24):
for one week of advertising andlike trying it's supposed to
push the podcast out to peoplewho were, you know, looking up
things of like related tags andall that people who'd be
interested in the conversation.
That would fill up in a moment,and it would always fill up,
like if I said you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter where you
advertise, you can advertiseanywhere in the world where the

(20:45):
language, where english, isspoken would immediately fill up
in india and it'd say we gotlike a thousand people from it.
Even if you go to oursubscribers right now and scroll
through our subscribers, a tonof the subscribers on youtube
are just like bot accounts fromindia and I think someone
figured out whoever they werelike.

(21:07):
However, they were shopping outadvertising Google was.
I think they figured it outbecause then we started doing
advertising and it got stricterand stricter and then we got our
pee-pees slapped because wewere trying to mark like we're
trying to advertise episodeswhere we were seeing, like
Donald Trump, joe Biden, kamalaHarris, and we were told that
that was not okay and thenYouTube banned us from being

(21:31):
able to advertise and so now wedon't get as many views on our
stuff, but also now all of ourviews are at least like a real
person finding the contentthrough their algorithm, which I
just don't know what's better,right, like it feels good to
have 10,000 views on one of ourepisodes on YouTube alone.

(21:55):
It's also, though, meaninglessif of those 10,000, 5,000, 6,000
are just bots.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh yeah, like I had to delete a comment the other
day.
I looked into it.
I was curious about the, theefficacy of this program.
Uh, this guy commented on there.
It was like whatever, it was arandom video of ours, it's like,
um, the comment was somethingalong the lines of I've been

(22:25):
using such and such's book thelast three months and it's been
exactly what I needed in myrelationship and I was like what
the heck is this comment?
I'm going to have to delete it.
So I go click on it, like thething.
Actually, I didn't click on thelink.
I searched the person's name.
They were suggesting it washilarious.

(22:46):
It was this thing of like the,whatever, the exploring the
female orgasm.
Oh my gosh, Whatever I think,yeah, no, I remember you telling
me about this it just was likedelete comment, you know,
whatever, because yeah, it wasone of those things, exactly
what you're talking about, whichis a bot setting up an
advertisement for something justlike that's not real and has

(23:08):
absolutely nothing to do withwhat we're talking about on here
and we'll see.
There's, I think, that like inthe vein of you know, like maybe
being censored on ads andthings like that, or bots and
information.
You know, I wonder how thefuture landscape is going to

(23:31):
look on big tech stuff likeGoogle, meta, tiktok, instagram,
whatever and Twitter X.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, it's like they're not even hiding it now.
They're like advertising thatyou can engage with as many fake
you know accounts as you want.
We're populating it with aiusers now.
It's like what?
Yeah, so it feels less dead.
It's like that's gonna have theopposite effect, oh yeah this is
me, a bunch of computerstalking to each other, I mean

(24:04):
already the internet has a tonof people acting like there's no
consequences, but there is a,there's a little tinge, I
believe, in almost everyone whouses the internet, of like.
Should I really say that like?
I do think that is exist inalmost every kind of degree.
No matter how like, shamelesspeople are on the internet, I
still think there's a matter oflike oh, there is a person on

(24:26):
the other end of this, and whatif they're psychotic and I like
set them off the deep end andthey like stalk me down or
something?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
right, because I comment maybe 0.25 percent, even
less maybe of the comments Iwant to say like I mean like,
yeah, less than a percentage,like the amount of times I've
written out a comment and theyjust delete it.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Oh yeah, I don't need to say this, yeah and and guess
what?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I was right my argument was sound.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, but it's.
It's like one of those thingslike what's no one cares no one
cares exactly, they're gonnaread this and like they're not
even gonna reply.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
And you know what is wasteless and the other parts
being like, especially if it'suh or they're gonna respond with
my, like, actual coordinates.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, they'd be, like I know you, I know your house
right.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
That or or to be like .

Speaker 1 (25:14):
The only thing this will ever do is to like give
away my position in the future,meaning yep yep like you know,
people could backlog search itand be like oh well, like you
said this here, so like you're aracist, yeah, yeah, yeah like
like, yeah, that sort of stufflike has like to.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's why I rarely comment.
We've talked about this before.
I rarely comment because,especially I I comment on things
that don't matter, things thatlike like videos like that are
funny, whatever, have zeroimportance, I'll throw something
out there, but things that Iactually hold a real, true
opinion about, that I feel downdeep in my soul about what needs

(25:56):
to be said here.
I don't say anything because,like, yeah, fear of retribution
in the future, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
And I don't care about what the other keyboard
warrior has to say.
Yep warrior has to say yep, butyeah I and also I'm like I'm.
I'm just not gonna engage withthe keyboard warrior thing, even
though I want to.
I'm also not gonna open myselfup and invulnerability to the
future, because we know thatstuff that gets out there, stuff
that gets put out there, is inthere in perpetuity, so that it

(26:28):
could be found way down the lineand who knows, you know how or
how it's going to be used in thefuture.
Right, and that's why we alsoeven on this, on this show, we
try to be fairly diplomatic andor moderate and stuff about what
we say, and we and we share ourtrue opinions too, but like
just the like yeah, we shareopinions, but we try to keep

(26:50):
them with like within thecontext of like.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
You know we're we're open to being wrong and we're
open, like.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Our context is always like hey, this is what we
believe, but like it's okay ifyou don't exactly, and so the
that's why I don't comment onstuff, because you're just like
I would like to engage in thisconversation, but engaging in a
real conversation.
In this setting, all it's goingto do is nothing good in the
near future and in the far, farfuture.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Here's my thing, and I think this is what you're
alluding to, maybe to somedegree.
Also, bro, you're so gassy, Iknow you were like both ends.
You were just stewing tonight.
It's bad.
What's up?
You and my dog?
Both are out of control thisevening.
But my biggest thing is I seethe comments on like videos or

(27:43):
posts and people just sayingblanket stuff of like you know a
video where like some guy goesto rob a house, he gets get
shopped right and then they'relike sirs.
I'm right, honestly, I wouldhave just fucking blown him away
and then put like the gun inhis hand.

(28:04):
You know like they say stufflike that and I'm like, oh my
gosh you know I see people onred Reddit constantly saying
stuff like all right, folks,let's just freaking march down
to there and just let's do it,bring our guns, and we'll just
kill Trump ourselves.
And it's just like yo, yo, quittattling on yourselves Now.

(28:24):
Do I support either of thosepeople?
Likely not, right?
I don't support murderingsomeone and then framing them to
have had the intention of doingyou harm so you could get away
with crime, and I certainlydon't support, uh, treason.
Um, you know, I don't supportassassinating the us president,

(28:45):
right?
Um, all that said, though,sometimes there's things where I
do see and I'm like, hmm, likeyou know, someone's like, oh man
, it was, like you know,catching a predator video right
where they they do a sting upand they're like, honestly, I
could never do this, because ifI ever found out someone was
trying to sleep with my kid,even if they didn't touch my kid
, I'd freaking, bury their body,you know, in concrete, and just

(29:09):
like, let them die.
And I'm like, bro, you ever doit actually in a context where,
like you're justified becausethey were touching your kid and
like you were out of anger, tookaction and you know, you saved
your kid from what they weretrying to do to him, but you
killed him in the process.
Jury's still gonna pull this upand be like, oh no, he was
primed, he just wants to killanyone who looks like a

(29:30):
pedophile right.
You know I mean, and so likeall that, I see all that stuff.
I'm like keep it to yourself.
Yeah, keep it to yourself.
That doesn't need to be writtenout like you can have that
opinion, you can have thatopinion.
That belief doesn't need to bewritten forever on the internet
oh yeah, that's what even I dolike.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right, big time reddit feed big time.
You're talking about the ladysaying she's going to uh dc this
april or no this march to shoottrump no oh my gosh, bro, it's,
it's all right you tell me thisfeed and I'll find this one r
radon oh yeah, oh yeah oh yeahoh, let's get into the drama of

(30:08):
our radar.
Oh my God, dude.
So uh, um, I am technically anexpert on mitigation and
measurement, whatever, but like,uh, it's just, uh, I don't even
I rarely comment on there.
I peruse it, I check it out.
Somebody's like needs helpfiguring out how to do a system
on there, and I'll just like,sometimes I'll help, I'll say

(30:32):
something, and then, most of thetime though, it's just even in
that tiny microcosm, tiny, tiny,tiny.
I mean, there's like maybe acouple thousand people, like
maybe two, three thousand peopleon the whole thing, right, and
it's like, um, people get inarguments, people are yelling at
each other about all this stuff.

(30:54):
It's funny it was the other oneman last night.
This one hurt me.
We were getting basicallypeople were asking what they
should do, blah, blah, blah.
Someone was like, hey, youshould really consult a
professional.
Other people were like thesepeople don't even know what they
should do, blah, blah, blah.
And someone was like, hey, youshould really consult a
professional.
Other people were like thesepeople don't even know what

(31:15):
they're talking about.
Like they take a two hourcourse and they're certified
bubble, like you know.
But anyways, it's just like,even in this tiny little like
silly community of people tryingto get information like the
comments go off the rails Lotsof people don't know what
they're talking about.
Lots of people are way overlyconcerned about radon, you know,

(31:40):
and radon gas is a I mean thebusiness of it.
You got to consider, take itseriously and get rid of it.
Some people are like so overlyserious about it and others are
like so nonchalant about it.
I'm like why are you even onthis feed if you're so
nonchalant about?
this like it's just so.
It's just so.
Anyways, even in the area whereI actually truly am like what

(32:03):
defines an expert?
10 000 hours, right?
Yep, sorry, I'm an expert onnow.
I've never been an expert onanything in my life, right, but
this one I can say I'm an experton, not the science of how the
molecules work, but I'm anexpert on getting it out of your
damn house and anyways, it'sjust hilarious.

(32:26):
Even in this little tiny space,people just say stuff that are
so silly, offhanded, um hurtfulto others, um misinformation,
and it's just anyway.
It's just.
It's hilarious to to deal withthe, so I just don't engage it.

(32:49):
Most of the time?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
yeah, I mean, because what is there to gain?
You know what I mean.
What is there really to gainfor you and engaging?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
that and in this case , for me it would actually be
like the only reason I commentthe most on this thing on that
one reddit, because I actuallydo know what I'm talking about
and there's people on thereearnestly asking questions about
how to make their house saferand they're concerned about lung
cancer and they want to dealwith it.

(33:15):
So the um, uh, that's the.
I do feel like it's.
It's the one tiny place whereI'm like, hey, I could weigh in.
I have a really down to earthlike approach and I and
technical ability ability and Icould help this person figure
out what their problem is.
And so, because I feel like inthat space I have the capability

(33:39):
to do it, then I do engage it.
And then it's funny the amountof times because, like you were
saying earlier, how on theinternet you get like an instant
notification of your comment,like you'll say something and
then some rando off the wall, isjust like trying instant
notification of your comment,like you'll say something and
then some rando off the wall.
It's just like it's trying tostart an argument with you and
you're like, bro, I'm justtrying to help this guy who
asked a question yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I mean, like, the craziest thing is like sometimes
you get into theseconversations this is how I know
it's a real person, right, likewhen on reddit or something
that when I'm talking withsomeone and I say something in a
position or a belief and thenthat person says, no, dude,
that's totally stupid.

(34:20):
And I'm like, uh, care toexplain.
And then they explain my exactposition and belief as like why
I'm wrong, but like but like.
They say like it's their own.
I'm like like I think youmisunderstood, we're saying the
same thing.
And then they are like oh, I'man idiot, you're right.
That's how I know it's a realperson because, like, they have

(34:41):
the ability to go back andreread and then formulate an
opinion, whereas, like sometimesI'm just I've read it and
someone's just like you'restupid and gay, and I'm just
like you're stupid and gay andI'm just like, okay, but like
why?
And I'm like never a response,ever to those ones.
Like there's never a response tolike the most lowest hanging
like.
I think my favorite one is likewhen people it doesn't matter

(35:03):
what you say, you can saysomething.
If you're a Democrat, you saysomething about the president
that you liked during thatadministration.
Or if you're a conservativeRepublican, you say something
about the president that youliked during that administration
.
Or if you're a conservativeRepublican, you say something
now about the currentadministration.
Everyone's response to youthat's a bot is just going to be
like okay, bootlicker, it'salways okay Bootlicker.
The same thing it doesn't matteryeah, it doesn't matter which
side of the spectrum you're on,and it's.

(35:26):
It's just crazy to me, becauseyou try to engage with that
person, like they, of course,never have anything to say.
It's just like they are eitheryou know someone who's not
capable of like having a realconversation or engagement, or
they're just straight up anactual bot, which, yeah, that
opens up to another conversationwhich is speaking to you.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Out there, people, are you a bot?
Are you just how many?
You know, well, meaning,meaning, like, someone makes a
comment and then your, yourresponse back to them is okay,
fill in the blank, fascist,socialist, nazi.

(36:07):
Well, you know, whatever youwant to, whatever word you have
to to to fill in.
Is that just your initialresponse and are you just a bot
responder?
You're, you're, you're actuallya real person, but your only
capability is to respond.
Only as good as a bot and Ithink are are most of people who

(36:29):
are running this country.
Their best ability to respondis as a bot, like just this
pre-programmed response.
Um, and I think, and I hopemaybe I'm showing a bias here.
I'm hoping it changes a littlebit right now.

(36:53):
Okay, now, I don't think allthe people.
There's been a huge swing inwho's in charge and what's
happening in the government.
I don't even agree with all ofit that's happening.
Maybe, maybe I do, maybe Idon't, but I Maybe I do, maybe I
don't, but, but I uh, maybe Ido, maybe I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
You'll never know.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
You can't, you can't can't guess, and so the um, but
I do think it feels like thebots might be being eradicated a
little, the human bots the oh,like you think, like the human
trolls are being beaten bySkynet, like the Skynet bots are

(37:35):
beating out the human troll.
I think so.
Okay, I think so.
Imagine, imagine the.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Terminator versus just trolls.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I would love to watch that movie but I and also
what I'm saying is, I thinkthat we're having some major
government reform right now.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And there's been on.
People left and right are allcan be pre-programmed to say
whatever they want to say, butwe're coming out of a
left-leaning administration,leaning administration, and so
the pre-programmed lefty bots inthe government are now kind of

(38:17):
being a little bit eradicated.
They're a little bit scaredabout what's going on and I
think that it's going to beinteresting to see a couple
things happen in response toactually stuff we've been

(38:38):
talking about just now.
With big tech and big socialmedia platforms, things like
bots, misinformation and freespeech.
I'm curious if it's actuallygoing to open up back into more

(39:00):
free speech, more trueinformation and less shadow
banning, things like that goingon, or if the pendulum's just
going to swing all the way tothe other side because just
because you get rid of umdoesn't matter left or right,

(39:23):
censorship is censorship, and so, um, all of a sudden you have
guys like zuckerberg kind ofbeing like based, kind of
conservative all of a sudden.
But so are these media platformsjust gonna like just swing back
?
Are they just panderers?

(39:43):
Are they just gonna whatever,whoever's in charge kind of
realize that oh, if we goagainst the grain, we lose out
revenue and top dollar, and sowe're just going to become
organizations that just swing toeither side?
Or are we actually going tohold a line on giving people

(40:05):
their First Amendment rights,ability to know what's going on,
to have open, uh, discourse,and so we'll see how that goes?
But also with some of these,the, there's a bunch of kind of
a new regime coming in.
Regime's kind of a nasty word,but I mean, that's what.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
This is the term that everyone's using, though you
know and it is.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That is what it is.
It's a.
It's a it's because it's comingdown pretty hard on a lot of
folks and, um, I'm curious howthese new appointees are going
to.
Um, what are they going to do?
Are they going to do the stuffthat the american people
popularly voted them in to do,or is it just going to be the

(40:52):
same old story right?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
yeah, no, I agree.
I mean, and I think they are,though I mean, like the truth is
is like it's already happeninglike Trump and Elon are doing
exactly what we voted for themto do, and I also know that's
like a big thing that a lot ofpeople are like, well, you voted
for this and he's doing it now.
You shouldn't be surprised.

(41:16):
I'm like I don't know anybodywho's complaining on the
conservative side.
I've yet to meet one person onthe conservative side that voted
for Trump, and I'll say this assomeone who, you know, didn't
even vote for Trump.
I'm happy about what he's doing, um, but when I talk to people
who voted for him, I'm like I'veyet to meet one who's like I'm
actually kind of upset.
I'm like yeah, I think all thesepeople knew this was going to

(41:38):
happen and, like everyone, waslike, all right, there might be
some hard times, you know, toget it done.
You got to gut stuff out andwhen you gut it, there's going
to be a vacuum for a minute,yeah, yeah, and then in that
time in the vacuum isuncomfortable, yep, but it.
It's like if you can supervisewhat fills the vacuum and make

(41:59):
it better than the whole, thanwhat like left the whole behind,
then like I think that's whatpeople are looking for.
I don't know, I maybe yourexperience is different.
You voted for the guy I'm well.
Well, you voted for the regime.
Pat Pat, you voted for this Areyou happy, I'll say I did.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I hadn't voted for him in the past, this time
around, hey, something had tochange.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
See, I did vote for him in the past.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, and the thing here would be I do like, for the
most part, what I'm seeing, butand we talked about this a
little bit with Dean on like,the way that it's hitting

(42:46):
individuals is rough.
Individuals is rough and what Idon't.
What's happening with some ofthe big doge cuts that I didn't
want to see is firing the grunts.
The grunts get work done.

(43:10):
Now let me say entry-levelpeople are the worker bees,
sometimes Comparatively to theC-suite guys.
So when you have organizationslike the CDC, they get mandated
to make cuts.
Who are they cutting?
Lowest man on the pole, okay, Isee that I understand you're

(43:35):
cutting out like yourentry-level people, but how
about the like the bigwigs?
Do they all matter?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
What are they getting done?
A lot of them are getting cut,though.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
But not as much Meaning like what's the number
on the Forest Service Rangerswho've been cut?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Oh, I think it was something like almost 8,000 cut
across the whole country.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So Forest Rangers.
I would like for those guys tohave jobs and I think what
they're doing kind of matteredVersus, like, and I have no idea
how the Forest Service not theForest Service, but National
Parks is structured Not theparks, but it's, you know, your

(44:25):
Ranger Ricks, the people who areon the kind of bottom worker
bee floor I don't know ifcutting them is as important as
getting rid of there's biggerfat to trim.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I wholeheartedly understand what you're saying.
I have to disagree Because he'scutting.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
it's not just him, his whole um cabinet right now
it's, it's it's not just trump,right trump doesn't just make
actually trump actually makesprobably not in the majority of
these decisions.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
He's signing off on it and is, you know, letting his
signature be like the the whole, like effort of force, um, but
he just fired chief of staffs.
He's he's been firing usgenerals from the army and navy
and air force left and right, sothey are hitting some of the
big dogs.
I think he's.
I don't think a lot of peopleunderstand like every big dog is

(45:24):
getting hit.
I know big dogs that aregetting hit.
I know big dogs who were, youknow, people I reported to as a
consultant weeks ago that are nolonger in those roles right
today.
You know, and it's one of thosethings where it's like, uh, and
a lot of people are gonna like Idon't know, like the thing the

(45:45):
problem is is like I don't thinka lot of people can
conceptualize the grunt and thegovernment work until they work
with those grunts, like how manypeople at the DMV or grunt
level and how many of them areeffective at actually helping
the process there versushindering it.
Right, yeah, and that's justlike a very, very front facing,

(46:08):
like transparent one.
If you look at other industries, there's ones like the post
office.
The post office is likeseriously bloated in a lot of
you know massive metropolitanareas with lazy staff that are
unionized and can't be fired.
I mean, how many people areeven getting letters?
That's the problem is like.

(46:29):
I get my mail out in thecountry faster than people get
their mail in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
And yeah and like how much of that's all junk mail
anyways, sure Right.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, and I don't know.
I'm just saying like Iunderstand, like people are like
bro, not our Forest Serviceworkers.
I know dudes who have workedwith the Forest Service, as you
know, and they were.
They're like you know, parkrangers for counties.

(47:00):
So they're at the state level,not the federal, and I know a
lot of them are like bro, theyare good for nothing.
Like not all of them, right, butlike a good majority of them,
are good for nothing and arelazy and are not going to want
to lift a finger until they getthe thumbs up from someone
higher up on the totem pole thestate guys talking about the
federal guys, yeah yeah, um andso, and even smaller than state

(47:20):
guys, like county guys, right,and so it's one of those things
where, like I, I get it.
It's also one of those thingslike I genuinely believe, like
when people are complaining, youknow, people are going on and
complaining about, like, we weretold we had to report the five
things we did last week, mm, hmm, and it was due by end of day,

(47:41):
monday, and if we didn't, didyou see this?
It was an email that was sentout by.
I'm not exactly sure I didn'tget the email because I'm not
technically a, you know, federalemployee, a consultant, but a
bunch of federal employees, evenpeople in the military, got
this email saying reply withfive things.
You did this last week, cc,your manager.
Failure to respond to thisemail with you know these things

(48:05):
by end of date februarywhatever monday was 24th.
Date february, whatever mondaywas 24th, um will result in like
immediate termination and a lotof people threw their hands
like this is malarkey.
This is how blah, blah, blah,blah.
And I was like all right, well,just in case anyone asked me,
I'll make my list.
Yeah, and I came up with fivethings pretty quick that, like I

(48:28):
did, that I thought were veryrelevant and imperative to the
function of my contract.
Right, and I know there'speople on the government side
who couldn't come up with one,let alone three.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Let alone five couldn't even lie, couldn't even
take the time to make a lieexactly they just and like.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So, all that said, like I do agree for the most
part when we think of things as,like your ground level workers,
you know who flips your burgers.
It's not the franchisee guy,usually most of the time of the
McDonald's, let alone anyone incorporate Right.
Who is, you know, refilling theyou know gas tanks at the gas

(49:11):
station?
It's not the CEO of.
Shell or Exxon.
Right, it's like the homiedriving the truck and knowing
how to like pump this, likeinstall the pumps and like pump
gas out into them safely withoutblowing everyone up.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
The dudes at the government.
When you work with them, thedudes and ladies at the
government on the ground levelmajority of them will be equal
here.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Ladies are being lazy too, oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Majority of them will fight tooth and nail and put
more effort into not having morework on their plate about like
this isn't our responsibility,this is someone else's you need
to go to this department.
About like this isn't ourresponsibility, this someone
else's you need to go to thisdepartment, and they will put
more energy into fighting thatthan they would like, even if
the task would have taken atenth of that yeah, of just
ownership.

(49:58):
And it's unfortunate, man, butyou've swayed me you saw, I'm
back on it.
I'm sorry, I'm back on it andlike I, I legit let him.
I don't know anyone.
I'll say this.
I don't know anyone that I'veworked with directly.
Yeah, okay, let me prestatethis.
There are people in leadershiproles in the federal government

(50:19):
who, I believe, did something.
I just believe they didn't doit well enough or they didn't
really agree to fall in stepwith this new administration's
direction.
So they were like, all right.
They were like, oh, cause, it'slike appointed positions and
when a new administration comesin, they just remove the

(50:40):
previous administration'sappointees to replace what their
own.
Those people could have beendoing their job.
They were probably doing thejob the old admin gave them, but
they're executive levels in thegovernment, right, they're not
your peons.
I've yet to meet someone that Iwork with who works hard and is
willing to like meet up with meand work through problems and

(51:02):
even if we have to sit on thesit on a call for like two,
three hours sharing screens toresolve, you know, an issue with
a, with a model or a pipeline.
I've yet to see any of thosepeople lose their jobs.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So you know that's where I lie.
You know, because it is just adifferent environment entirely.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Got to earn it.
Yeah, all right.
All right, cut him.
Continue with Operation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Gun Hook I've made him seditious.
I've Cut him.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Continue with Operation Gun Hook.
I've made him seditious, I'vewon him over.
It's like I just getsympathetic for the individual
and then also at the same timeyou know also you're right, you
know here's the deal.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Would you feel bad if you had to cut one of your guys
because he didn't show up towork for three days and lied
about it when you asked him,like bro, why weren't you here
yesterday?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
right, yeah, no, you know, and that's that's, that's
the way it works in the uh,quote-unquote real world, right,
yeah, so, yes, I think, uh, Iguess, with my main point I
guess being I hope they don'tjust cut out the little guys.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, I don't think it is broadly sweeping Right.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
So I hope it's also like how about the trillions and
the you know the black budgetswe don't know about?
How about the you know like?
Okay, how about, like, let'sget into the stuff, the, let's
get into all this?
Like, I'd like for my kids tohave a forest service ranger to
show them an antler hell, youknow um, that one million

(52:37):
dollars that disappeared.
that could have paid that forestservice ranger for years and
years and years for sure let'shunt that down real hard.
So as long as that's like, itcan't just be a personnel
sweeping cut, it has to alsoreally really dig into and I
hope it is, and it sounds likeit is dig into the other stuff,

(53:00):
the weird stuff, Don't you feellike that's what's going on with
, like the USAID and theDepartment of Education stuff.
I do.
I do feel like that's happening, happening, but for me that is
paramount or focus,comparatively to ranger rick,
yeah, keeping his fifty thousanddollars a year, I agree, right.
So like on that, like, kind oflike, and at the same time, yet

(53:22):
it is bloated and I could, Icould go like full ron swanson
on it.
It's some some days, you know,yeah, like, do we need any of it
?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, if I want a road maybe I should have to
build the road exactly like Idon't know, you know and maybe I
get to build it how I want toand my neighbor gets to build it
the way he wants to.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah and so uh, but at the same time, I, yeah, so
there I do, I just I'm, I'm tornand it is a uh, um, it gets
delicate for the individuals,but at the same time, yeah, no,
something's got to change.
And ultimately, on the back end, I think that economic growth

(54:00):
will happen there.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
And this guy, kash Patel, one of the appointees-
Appointee of the FBI and nowacting he's director of the FBI.
Congress approved it.
Now he's acting director of theATF.
I don't know if he has passedthe congressional approval and

(54:26):
now Dan Bongino is the deputydirector of the ATF.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
FBI.
And so what I do love, CashPatel, like six months to a year
ago, came on Sean Ryan's show.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
And laid out his plan for the FBI.
He was like and I don't know ifhe knew he was like in the
running or not.
Now he was connected enough.
He might've known, yeah, but hemight not have known, which
would be totally beautiful,crazy If he did not know that he
was going to be in thisposition, cause it's just like
Sean's like basically like, hey,you know FB, if you're a, you

(55:06):
know what.
What do you think needs tohappen at the FBI?
You know, what do you thinkneeds to happen at the fbi?
And he just laid out this planin this distinct, like two
minute little bit.
And that thing has been goingviral because now he has the
power to do what he said he wasgoing to do in that, yeah, and,
and he's starting to make ithappen already and it's uh, um,

(55:30):
it's going to take time for himto do what he wants to do there,
but basically, similarly, he'sgoing to really uh, decentralize
it and refocus it on what itneeds to be, which is, you know,
catching bad guys, you know.
And so it's just uh, um, butpeople, I think, are panicking

(55:56):
about it.
For some reason.
People are like, oh, my God,about a.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Brown guy running the FBI.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, I just wanted to make how the turns have tied.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I thought people would applaud Trump for being so
diverse in his appointments.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I know the turns have tied.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
He's also a brown guy as the deputy.
Oh yeah, dan's like that lineof like.
He doesn't get the n-word passyou know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I think he's super italian.
I think he, I think he's likeoh, really someone.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I was just reading something where someone said he
was black like he was, like aneighth black, I don't know
african-american, I'm sure hedoesn't care.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Maybe I don't know, we'll see.
But yeah, this is on a.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
He's of Italian descent is what it says.
No, that's what it is.
If he has any black in him,it's not enough.
He's Italian.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah so he got a WAP in the directory here.
I can say that because I'mpartially Italian.
What's WAP even mean?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It was just slander.
Oh yeah, Is it an acronym?
I think it's legit, just slangfrom an Italian expression.
I don't even think they had it.
It's like how they used to callIrish people mix, and that was
like the N n word for irishpeople right.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Um, yeah, the I don't think they had acronyms back
then, but anyways, I can say it,I'm, I got it.
I got that italianese in me um.
So there you go.
But um and I don't know if Iever actually said that word but
uh, um.
So these guys in charge of thef, we'll see what they're going

(57:47):
to do.
It's going to be wild.
All of a sudden, it feels likeeither major podcast hosts and
or major podcast guests are allgoing to be running the country,
which is hilarious, like thefact that Theo Vaughn got
thanked At the presidentialinauguration.
That's crazy.
I mean full circle.
Back To our earlier topic.

(58:08):
If in 2019, someone said, hey,theo Vaughn's gonna be thanked
For At the presidentialinauguration Of 2024, people
have been like what Are youtalking about?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
And anyways, it's insane, it's crazy, it's silly.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I'm honestly like just I know nothing about this
Dan guy, I know nothing abouthim.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
He's a former.
I will say this he was a formerSecret secret service agent oh
okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Okay, I'm not surprised anymore, just totally
fine.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
So he has.
He has like a governmentbackground, um, and then podcast
uh host.
He was also a was he a chicagocop?
Uh, I don't know what all washe, but anyways, he's kind of
had Since his Secret Servicedays he's had a really Kind of

(59:13):
Political patriotic Focusedpodcast, and so I don't know why
he he was NYPD officer.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Bro, okay, I have no care or concerns now Because
honestly it's like they saypodcaster, right.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
But it's like dude's, not a podcaster Dude had a
full-fledged career before that.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
It'd be like you know a lot of people don't that sean
ryan was actually like in themilitary and cia, right.
But it'd be like if sean ryanone day got appointed to stuff
and you'd be like the podcastersean ryan and then if you looked
at his career, you'd be like,oh okay, that makes more sense
now right, you know he had, yeah, he had a.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Uh, yeah, he was a special agent for the Secret
Service, nypd officer and sothat's kind of why and that's
his background, you know as faras why he, and then he's had a
long stint in media.
But yeah, so he does.
He's not just a, it's not justlike if they came to Pat hey,

(01:00:21):
pat, I heard you hosted apodcast.
Want to direct the?
Be a deputy director of the FBI.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, okay, right.
For some reason I thought helegit was from E Entertainment.
I think he looks like some guyfrom E Entertainment.
You know what I mean.
And I was like this is ahorrible mistake, Okay, but what
would you say if they asked youto do that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I mean I'd probably say yes, yeah, no, kidding bro
Of course.
I'd be like listen, I don'tknow what I'm doing or why you
asked me to do this, but I'mDon't worry, we'll walk you
through it.
I'm answering the call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Honestly.
That's why we need you to do it, because if you do it, you know
you don't know what you'redoing, so you'll be more prone
to listen to us when we tell youwhat to do, To learn how to do
it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Exactly, and that's why I think the Dan Bongino
piece Unmolded clay and I thinkhe's been in the arena a little
bit, at least enough he's beenthe boots on the ground guy in
these areas to now have, um,have that, that effective
leadership, I like any time.

(01:01:28):
I like any time somebody getsinto leadership who has done at
least a little bit of you knowwalking, walking as the grunt,
walking as the in the trenches alittle bit, and okay, now
you're in charge.
That's awesome.
That's what we need, you knowto have.
You need mustang leadership.

(01:01:49):
You know, like in the militaryyou got enlisted guys who then
become officers, that sort ofthing, um, and that's why, like,
like the former freaking guy incharge of the atf, steve
dedelbach.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
This is the white guy , or the deputy, that replaced
him when he stepped down.
There's a black dude thatreplaced him as acting director.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
This is the white guy , but he was in from 2022 to
2025 yeah this gross dude, yeah,I mean the guy who didn't know
shit about shit yeah, you likesee him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
He doesn't know how to even like make a gun safe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I'll say this he knows about alcohol he's
probably smoked a cigar but hedoesn't know anything about
firearms.
And everybody knows the atfdoesn't have anything to do with
alcohol and tobacco they got.
They're dealing with firearmsand explosives, um and so,
anyways, good, he's from Ohio,um, which is fine, the place of

(01:02:43):
no culture, um, and then, uh, he, uh, you know, born to two
prominent attorneys, and then hebecame an attorney himself and
then he became the director ofthe ATF.
Guess what?
This guy has no businessdirecting an institution that's

(01:03:06):
supposed to be.
Here's the deal ATF is supposedto basically focus on criminal
activity Sure, not prosecutingit.
Atf doesn't have anything to dowith prosecuting it.
They don't get to prosecute.
And they also don't get toenforce Sure, not prosecuting it
.
Atf doesn't have anything to dowith prosecuting it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
They don't get to prosecute and they also don't
get to enforce Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
They're a legislative branch not an executive branch
and a tool for that.
Attorneys don't have anythingto do with that mission set.
So wrong guy, wrong place.
Sorry, bye-bye, don't, care't,care also, he's still fine.
He's gonna go get some otherawesome job somewhere else.

(01:03:49):
So good riddance, adios, seeyou later.
Let's get some guys in therewho might do something different
, you know.
And so cash patel, we'll seewhat he's gonna do.
There's talk of atf, basef orFBI basically absorbing the ATF,
which wouldn't be a bad move.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I don't know.
I'm not about it, because theonly reason the ATF doesn't
constantly go after us to likearrest people and do sting
operations is because they don'thave the money for it.
But if the FBI took over that,the FBI does got that monies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I could see that point, but also.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
The FBI's got the money to come up with their own
sting operations on themselves.
I remember when, like theGretchen Whitmer got people,
kidnapping was like Do youremember reading it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I recognize that name .

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Gretchen Whitmer is the governor of Michigan, oh
yeah.
And there is that group who waslike, yeah, we're going to
kidnap her.
And then, after it came out,there's like three FBI agents
that were all essentiallyinciting the whole thing.
That were involved in itno-transcript if they got the

(01:05:15):
budget for that they got thebudget to ruin our poopy days?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
budgetarily, yes, but how about with the direction
the agency both agencies couldpotentially head.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
I say get rid of both agencies.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
I realize the disbandment of all the
three-letter things would bemaybe preferable to a lot of
people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
But if they're not going away, sure, and you have
somebody who wants to pointthings back in a different
direction, you could effectivelyquote-unquote disband a lot of
atf stuff, bring it into the fbiand they could actually focus
on to the FBI and they couldactually focus on bad guys with

(01:06:04):
guns not good guys with guns,the cartel Right.
And so now you, you could now,yes, whoever gets in charge of
it next time could abuse it, butthe firearm thing kind of isn't
going away in some ways.
So, like, could it bebeneficial to have, at least to

(01:06:25):
have the, the agencies, absorbedinto one another and, uh,
consolidated right I mean, Idon't know, man, it's kind of
like, would you rather haveseven heads fighting each other
over the food?
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
And having to deal with the regulation of seven, or
just like the one just wantingto eat whatever is in front of
it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
There's that piece too, but I just think that if
the FBI wanted to go aftersomebody for firearms charges,
they could do it regardless ofthe ATF.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
They don't know, they don't get to.
Jurisdiction is a huge deal forthese federal agencies.
It's a big deal.
That's why, essentially, youwill never see another agency
doing anything when it comes tokidnapping.
Fbi owns kidnapping.
It's in their mandates.
Also, fbi doesn't do securityfor judges, that's the Marshal
Service.
But if the guy FBI doesn't doany witness protection, marshal

(01:07:22):
Service.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Right.
But if the guy FBI doesn't doany witness protection, martial
service, right also.
If the but, then it gets stickytoo.
If the guy for kidnappings alsolike creating explosives and
known known explosive maker,whose thing is it like you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
know, like I get it sure, yeah right, that's a crazy
criminal honestly.
A kidnappy, do bigs bobs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I mean honestly can that be new bigs bobs?
I mean, if I'm why, stop at one, yeah, I'll say like yeah,
exactly, if you're going downthe line, just you know, I think
most people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I just don't think that's the.
You know, when a crime iscommitted, they investigate
based on that crime andoccurrence and if there's a
different case, it getsdifferent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
That's why you see that's honestly how it happens
is like oh, I'm an undercoveratf, like, atf, I'm undercover
ta.
Yeah, it is like that's how youend up with that, right, right,
no, it's true.
So I think, from um, from alibertarian standpoint, there is
the way that libertarian mightwant to see things to go, and
then also I think that if,through combining them, this
actually abolishes the atf, I'mokay with that too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yeah, right, like fine, you know, I guess I'll
look at it differently, I'llchange my perspective, rather
than me thinking it's best ifthe Hydra fights amongst its
heads To keep it separate right.
Maybe I'll think of this.
It's like it's easier to kill aHydra if it's only got one head
.
No right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
But I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Some people are like kill a Hydra.
Is he alluding to taking downthe federal government?
No, Just the corrupt lawenforcement.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Let's say, cash Rattel and Dan Bongino are
taking on the Hydra and they canstick two heads into one space.
You know, get two birds withone stone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Sure, sure, I don't think that's going to happen,
dismantling us.
I do like, though, here's onething I really do like is that
if it does work to push all theFBI agents back out to like out
of DC to go out to field officesand stuff, like Cash Patel
saying, I think it can becomeenough of like we do it this way

(01:09:33):
in this office, we do it thisway in this office that it'd be
hard to like re, bring him allback together.
Like it'll go back to the olddays when it was supposed to be
that way.
Right, um, and that's howoperated for the most part is
like you had your fbi office outin arizona and they, freaking,
were cowboys compared to fbi'sguys in new york, and now it got

(01:09:56):
super like everyone's based outof dc and we just fly them out
in jets, yeah, and everyone's ofthe same hive mind in dc.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
it's just like gross, you know no, yeah, so I don't
know what they're gonna do.
Hopefully they do somethingcool.
Yeah, I agree, and uh, you saidthis.
I didn't realize this is do youhave other articles on it or
just like posts going aroundabout?
Basically, now we've got Cash,patel is threatening the power

(01:10:28):
and threatening the old regimeand you're saying that FBI
reports are coming out, thatpeople are shredding Epstein
evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, yeah, let me look that up.
I'll try to find the articles Iwas reading earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And it makes sense because we've all known that
other people, somewhere at somethree-letter thing, have known
more than they've all beentelling us, whether it's the
full-blown answer to aconspiracy theory, or at least
it's a little more than we'dlike to know.
Um, people know more than thecommon man knows.

(01:11:09):
So, uh, makes sense that peopleare kind of getting a little
panicky as other people havegotten in charge.
We're getting kind of serious.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Um, yeah, and it's one of those things where it's
like, you know, a lot of the bignews publications aren't
running stuff yet because, again, this is a whistleblower who's
reporting to someone who is, youknow, then like discussing it
on ex-Twitter.
Now, world news as well as letme just go to news news, uh,

(01:11:51):
express tribune, um, americanprospect and newsweek, uh oh,
some of these are a little townhall, though town hall is
talking about it, um, butanyways.
So the basis is that there is awhistleblower coming forward
with allegations that the FBI issystematically deleting
evidence tied to Jeffrey Epsteinand deleting specifically

(01:12:12):
records of like travel and logsand such Right, which is like OK
, so they're straight up hidingwho the hell were on, like the
records with epstein the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Unquote the list.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah, people have been wanting right exactly um,
which is just one of thosethings where it's like I'm
shocked.
They waited till now.
I expected them like I expected.
By the time trump got intooffice, it was like all right,
we're revealing it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
I expected people to be like oh, it's gone yeah, you
know what I, a little devil'sadvocate on that would be.
Does the big dog want the stuffshredded too?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I don't think so.
No, because I think there'senough.
Here's my number one thingPeople are deleting it.
People who have seen it.
People are deleting it, peoplewho have seen it.
If there was any credible,truly valid accusations about
him being on that list, it wouldhave been out years ago to

(01:13:15):
destroy any Think about thattruly any legitimate evidence
that would hold up in court thathe did something with Epstein
to any degree that we see isalluded to with others like Bill
Gates or Stephen Hawking.
If there was any credibility tothat, that would have been out
years and years and years ago,with all the other FBI hit
pieces they did on Trump, youknow.

(01:13:37):
I mean, like the fact that thatdidn't drop makes me very
confident that they ain't gotshit in regards to the Epstein
stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
My only counter would be with mutually assured
destruction.
It wouldn't make sense.
But right now the left, theDemocrats, don't have anything.
There's nothing to lose.
That's what I'm saying.
They don't have anybody now forit to, so they could have hit

(01:14:06):
it out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
What do you mean?
Even mutually assureddestruction?
They could have just releasedthe Trump stuff and then made
sure not to release the rest.
The FBI wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
But people, if you only come out with him, like out
of Meaning, yeah, they'd havetheir acceptable people, that
they'd be like, alright, fuckthat.
You'd have to have Fall guys atleast, but like I just think, a
lot of those people are agingout or going away, so I don't

(01:14:35):
know.
Granted, once again I'm playingdevil's advocate.
Here on some of this piece.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I'll say this I have no faith In the ability to think
ahead that far when it comes tothe Democrats.
I mean, have you seen it?
Do you recall Benghazi?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
I've been to the DMV.
I've seen the Afghanistanpullout.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Yeah, there's no ability to think that far ahead,
I think.
I think if they had that goldenticket to destroy Trump's
platform, they would have doneit years ago.
I think, there would have beenother GOP people who would have
been like oh yeah, do that, soit could be my time.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
That's true.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and I think he did hangout with them, without a doubt,
and even flew on his plane.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Without a doubt, it is said that they shared flights
at one point or another.
But here's the other thing.
Without a doubt, it's prettyclear that when people asked if
Trump was there or present, alot of people like a lot of
those girls' witnesses were likeno, he wasn't there, we had no
sexual encounter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
He was on the plane one time I remember, but there
was nothing sexual about it,because not every single person,
and yeah to the quote unquotelist also.
Yeah, there's the every singleperson and yeah to the quote
unquote list also.
Like there's, yeah, there's theflight log stuff.
Not every single person whoever hung out with this guy was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
But shit, bro.
The witnesses came forward werelike Stephen Hawking.
He was a baddie.
Stephen Hawking in hiswheelchair, did you not know
this?
Yeah, bro, did you not?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
know this, I do know it, I do know it, just like I do
know it, I do know it.
It's just like, and I'm notsurprised by it.
Come on, Sorry let me do mycomputer voice Come over here,
bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Come over here, bitch .
Come give me a lap dance youknow what I mean All right, all
right.
You have to make sure thatsounds computer in the edit.
Billie Jean could do a waybetter computer voice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
F, that guy, guy, I never liked him.
I never liked him either.
You know, I don't care abouthis condition yeah, he's a weird
effer nasty even.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he made.
He made it further in lifebeing in that wheelchair than he
would have out of it.
Facts.
Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Look how hard Neil deGrasse Tyson has to freaking
grift to get a fraction ofStephen Hawking's fame.
That's true.
No one knew who Neil deGrasseTyson was before Stephen Hawking
died, and then after he died,he went from being like oh yeah,
the black scientist guy, and itbecame like, oh, ndg, I'm sorry

(01:17:07):
, neil degrasse ndt, yeah, um,which also, he's also just a
grifter too, but anyways, um,we've talked about a lot tonight
a lot of things on the sun deada uh, the dead internet theory
over abundance of AI, you knowpodcast peaking and the new
directors and, of course, thestill continued trimming of fat

(01:17:29):
in the Fed by the Trump adminand Epstein.
Listen here at the end of it all.
Oh yeah, I'm sure none of it isstuff YouTube enjoys us talking
about.
I actually think this wholeepisode is things that YouTube
will not like.
So, anyways, all I said, ken,we appreciate you, we're

(01:17:52):
thankful for you.
Keep an eye out for MickMiscellaneous, because I'm going
to take that mic home tonightand get to work on those.
It'll be fun little drops, butother than that, till next time.
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