The Mick & Pat Show - EDC and TCCC Training Review - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I've been experiencing the project from
hell.
It's our real first homeimprovement project.
Oh yeah, have I told you aboutour sinks and swapping them out
and stuff?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, briefly, because you were about the
marble, or faux marble,countertopping.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyways, we had three sinks inour house, replacing all of the
like guest bathroom ones andstuff like that right in our in
our master bath.
Um, and the first one we did.
You know, I was in the midst ofit when I was telling billy
gene.
While doing it I was like youknow, this is how this is gonna

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work.
This first one.
It's gonna be a littlefrustrating at times but for the
most part we're just learning.
It's okay if we have to redothings over because we're just
learning, and then the secondone is gonna go way faster
because of everything we learnedfrom the first one it's
typically true.
And I said and then the thirdone is going to take the longest

(01:03):
likely days, if not weeks.
And she's like what do you mean?
And I was like it's just theway these things work.
Yeah, it's just the way theywork.
And with the third one, wefound when we removed the old
sink that it had a yellow.
It had yellowed in its perfectrectangular shape.

(01:24):
Because did?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
the first two go the way you thought.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh yeah, first one like was the one where we had to
redo a couple things and goback and forth and undo.
Second, one went way faster.
Third, one's still not done.
It's over a month later.
Um, and the issue is that itwas, you know, know, the
silestone, which is like aquartz composite.

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It stained yellow underneath thesink for some reason, but the
sink was sealed and so I don'tknow if it just yellowed from
lack of air, but nothing we didwas taking that stain out of it.
But nothing we did was takingthat stain out of it.
There's, we tried every singlething that people encourage you
to try.
Nothing was removing even likea hue of the stain.

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The stain was so light that itwas just enough to notice.
With the light on that therewas a color differentiation and
I tried sanding stuff like thatjust to see if I could get any
color to come out of it.
Nothing tried.
And it'd be people like, oh, yougot to try xyz, and I'm like,
shut up stuff like that just tosee if I could get any color to
come out of it.
Nothing Tried.
And people are like, oh, yougot to try XYZ.
And I'm like, shut up, shut up,I did, I tried everything.
If you were saying that rightnow, this is Mick telling you,

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shut your mouth.
I tried it the toothpaste, thevinegar and baking soda, the
bleach, the what is it?
Clr.
I mean, I tried everything manunder the sun and none of it
works we even reached out tosilestone the manufacturer and
was like hey, how do, what do wedo with this?

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they never responded so um yeah,I poop on them, yeah, um.
So anyways, what we settled ondoing is getting a cord of
marble, sorry, a cut of marble,and it's just like a marble slab
that you would put in arestaurant or something for like
food to sit on.
You know, like you have yourpastries of the day sitting on

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it for sale, right?
And it's food grade marble,which means like it's not
supposed to stain if you leavelike gooey jellies and jams on
it or whatever.
It's been kind of sealed.
So I just drilled a holethrough it.
But getting the drill parts todrill through marble is an
insane task in and of itself,because I got the cut for it to

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cut a circle in.
But then it didn't come withthe chuck and of course they
don't sell the diamond-tippedchuck at Home Depot when you buy
the diamond-tipped hole drill.
So then it's like, all right,then I guess we're doing this
without a chuck, tipped withdiamond to center it.
And so we set up a rudimentaryjig where I grabbed a two inch

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and one eighth hole saw anddrilled that through a piece of
wood.
Then I put the wood over themarble, you clamp it, and
clamped it down, and I hadalready drawn on the marble with

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a Sharpie through the faucet Imean mean not the faucet, the
sink drain hole of where itwould go right.
So I knew where I had it todrill and it was perfectly
circled.
And then I taped over that andcircled it again, so that way
the tape's there to kind of keepthe marble from chipping or
like cracking, right, um.
And then I started drillingthrough man and I drilled
through that hole and my buddyuh, I'll just call him jonesy he

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was standing by me with thewith a hose just running the
water in the hole the whole time, so that way the drill bit
didn't melt and we drilledthrough and it was pretty.
You know it wasn't perfect.
It came out the other side andit chipped a little bit On the
underside.
Yeah, but that's okay, becausethat will just be covered by the

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sink, because the sink will goon top of this.
Right, and here's anotherreason.
People are like, why didn't youjust buy the sink big enough?
Well, because the sink that washere was offset.
It was an offset hole.
So the hole is offset from thestain because the sink was an
offset shape.
It was weird and you can't justbuy like we looked everywhere.
They didn't like people justdon't make offset sinks.

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I was like, where did this evencome from?
So, anywho, all that said, weput the marble down, uh, and we
sealed it, uh, with you know,the marbles quartz stone sealer
that you do.
And then we also did the um,what's it called?

(05:53):
Uh, silicone underneath it justto help it stick and stay in
place with the weight and notscratch the silestone.
And now we go to put the faucetand sink in.
Yeah, and the.
The water lines that came withthe faucet aren't long enough to
reach the old ones, so now wehad to buy water line like

(06:13):
extendos male, female extendosfor tomorrow.
So it's just like one more day,every single time man and I'm
like I'm losing my marbles.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Dude, now you're gonna have one more spot for it
to potentially leak and theextender yeah man, which I've
been doing good about that.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I've been putting paper towels down in the old
sink other sinks after replacingtheir water lines and stuff and
just leaving them there for afew weeks to make sure that
we're all good.
And I check on them to makesure that they're they don't got
water staining on them.
But yeah, no, it's one of thosethings where it just makes me
like so irate and like I'mlosing religion to this sink and

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there's many a times where I'munder there swearing up a storm
um it's home ownership.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, it's becoming an old man right there.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, dude also here you go tmi massive hemorrhoid.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I have a massive I have to go to the doctor for
this oh no, dude, I want you tolook at my thumb.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, imagine that just hanging out your ass oh my
gosh yeah dude, it's prettybrutal, that is.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I've been taking some like third-party medicine for
it, like, like from homeopathicstuff that's supposed to like
open your veins, or if it camefrom like a different country I
also had to tell doc.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
He just was like hey, get this, you know
hydrocortisone, put it on yourfinger, shove it up there, bud,
it should help relieve it untilyou can get in to see a real
doctor real doctor.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Even like a 20-day appointment, I gotta wait for
goodness they called me.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
They're like uh, do you really want to meet with
this doctor, or could weschedule you earlier for it with
a different doctor?
I'm like, well, I really wantto.
I prefer a male doctor.
Yep, and they're like okay, allright, then we'll leave you
with them.
Yeah, I don't really want achick doctor doctor going back
there.
No, nothing against femaledoctors, but it's just me, as a
man, has some pride that theonly woman that sees my butthole

(08:04):
is my wife yeah, and even thenI don't like her to see it.
Yeah, even then I try to hideher from that oh my god shelter.
It was funny we were getting.
We were talking with a friendrecently and we were just joking
about how, like girls, themoment you get married, usually
don't care at all and they'lljust change in front of you or

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whatever which is great.
I don't want my wife to be.
You know what's the word Notaware, but what's the word
Self-conscious, self-conscious.
I don't want her to ever feelself-conscious in front of me.
Me as a man, though, I don'tfeel safe bending over with my
butt out yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It goes against all god's nature.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Okay, yeah and uh.
I also don't think that I havemuch as much of a beautiful
feminine figure.
Okay, there's probably somefuzz and hair around and
probably a little bit of likediscoloration from like the the
boxer lint on my gooch, okay.
So I just don't.
I don't think I need to exposethat to the world vulnerability
yeah, yeah, here's the thing too, though I've never, like,

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looked at myself in the mirror.
I've never looked at myself inthe mirror and been grossed out,
yeah, but I can objectively belike, hey, this is way grosser
than what a woman looks like.
Okay, this is, this is prettylike gorilla.
Ish, apish, like I should.
I should have some discretionand not expose her to that.
Oh my gosh, which you know,billy jean, god bless her.

(09:28):
She's so sweet, she's like.
You know, you don't have to gochange in the bathroom.
I'm like oh, I know, but youdon't know what this looks like
exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
You know what I mean so anyway, that's uh, that's
unfortunate hope they get that,we get that resolved yeah, I'm
not too worried about it.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Now I've been doing the hydrocortisone cream and
I've been taking this.
It's called uh something horse.
It's called horse chestnut.
It smells, smells earthy, andit's in a pill, you know, but
it's like definitely likehomemade made capsules.
Right, it's like naturalgroceries or sprouts.
There's that one and then theother one called like goku

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something are you sure it'ssupposed to be taken orally,
just just put yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It says take by mouth , all right just putting pills
in the wrong spots.
You know, well, it's the samething.
Hey, you never know.
And the hydrocortisone creamdid come with like a the.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Hydra Cortisone Cream did come with like an
attachment to screw onto it.
That was like a long nib, likea nib probably as long as like
the tip of your pinky, if notlonger, and it was ported like a
compensator to like screw onthe top of the cream and shove
up there and squeeze, and itjust squeezed it out in all

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directions.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh no, I didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I was like I need to know if this thing's getting
smaller.
I need first-hand contact.
So I've been using a lot ofdude wipes lately yeah, dude
wiping and trying thishydrocortis anyways.
Turn 30.
I don't feel any older, otherthan that that's the only thing
that makes me really feel older.
Yeah, like that's.
The only thing that isabsolutely different than my 20s
is that now I'm gettinghemorrhoids that is.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
That is a is different and it's a, it's a
life interrupter for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I will say it brings me a lot of pleasure.
How much laughter has broughtmy friends recently?
Yeah, I've talked about it withmany a man, and many a man, has
found it hilarious and I'vejust nodded like you just wait,
you just wait for years.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And I'll say like I mean I I only until recently
didn't even know what thatreally was like.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I've always heard it well, a lot of people don't know
.
A lot of people.
All right to clarify out therea hemorrhoid is not an open
wound on your butthole.
A lot of people think it's anopen wound.
It's not an open wound.
It's literally just a kink inthe hose that's not letting
blood flow back out easily andso it just looks like a honestly
just looks like you got a extralittle dingleberry just

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attached there, you know what Imean, oh yeah, it's pretty much
like the same.
I will say this it's the samecolor as your butt cheeks.
It's not like purpley oranything like that.
Yeah, because I looked up I waslike what is this?
When it first happened, I waslike what is this thing?
Because he and the images werenot what I was seeing in the

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mirror.
The images were a lot morehorrendous and horrific and I
think they're usually images oflike people who have left them
untreated.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, that's the problem with all like web
pictures, like med pictures,like it's always like the worst
cases.
Can I see the medium, themedium mild cases.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Why are my elbows itchy?
It's like you have eczema andpsoriasis.
You're like, well, what is that?
And they just show like theperson who has a skin infection
110% psoriasis on their body.
Oh yeah, and they're like somepeople kill themselves.
It's so bad.
And you're like, oh my God,like what should I do?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Is there any intermediate thing I can do
before, you know, just going tothe big party in the sky?
Yeah, you know, just going tothe big party in the sky.
Yeah anyways, Speaking of thegorilla-ish appearance, I don't
know if you know, but while wewere slapping chest seals on you
with your shirt up oh yeah, Onthe stage of the old-timey

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church we were in.
I took a picture of you.
Oh really, just because it wasfunny, my happy trail out.
Yeah, just your full shirt,just to be standing up like I'm
pretty hairless To be in like avery traditional looking church.
Oh yeah, just with your Justlifting your shirt.
It was for education.
It was for educational purposes.
Which kind of brings us to whatwe're, and good thing we didn't

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do any.
You know, part of our first aidtraining did not involve a butt
cream.
Yeah, because that's not a.
I don't think I had thehemorrhoid then.
Yet that's distracting, notlife-threatening.
You know, as we learned, yes.
To not address the distractingthings but the life-threatening
things.
And so, yeah, no butt cream.

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But yeah, so we got to and wetalked about this maybe this
morning or this podcast or twoago that we were going to do a
first aid training with oursafety team.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's more than just first aid.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yep, yep, it was.
You know an emergency responsetype of training at our church
with our security team.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, it was essentially the stop the bleed
training that they give firstresponders and military, you
know, not training us to be EMTsor EMS, but training us to keep
people alive and give them thebest chance possible until you
get them to EMS.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And it was a good time it was about.
You know, there was about 12 or11 of us that came and trained
together and tonight we're goingto kind of break down Some of
the stuff we saw there, what weexperienced, what we learned,
and then also maybe go over someof the Gear pieces that we are
incorporating In either everyday, carry stuff Over to more of

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like a, you know, in our IFAC ormed bag stuff and we a few
episodes ago we did kind of apretty exhaustive breakdown of
first aid equipment and thiswill be.
You know more of a flyover ofthe actual applications or the
yeses and nos, but you know kindof what we've landed on of what
we're now.
You know applications or theyeses and noes, but you know
kind of what we've landed on ofwhat we're now.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know either carrying with us or having our
truck and that sort of thingyeah, and if you got any
questions about the gear medicalgear because you haven't seen
that episode yet, you can alwayshead back to the episode and
see the breakdown with timestamps as well as links in the
description to all the medicalgear that we pretty much
recommend, or our guests Mac andRice-A-Roni recommend.

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So, which was also pretty cool,because when we did this first
aid training, this stop thebleed, it was pretty cool to
just see that the instructor Typretty much emphasized you know,
the same stuff that Rice-i wasgoing over of.
Like you know, what he said wasto have in your kit, not in
your kit, what to have on youfor others to use on you, versus

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having on yourself to use onothers if need be.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, so yeah, so the uh, and I was thinking, yeah
the that, um, yeah the that.
And with that training we alsodid, we ran through some like
live scenarios and stuff, and soI think towards the end we'll
probably like break down kind ofwhat we saw and where we did

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good or where we fell short andthat sort of thing.
But I was thinking we talkedabout starting off with just a
EDC pocket dump and people outthere, you know, some pocket
dumps are pretty outrageous.
You got all sorts of things inthere.
So we were going to give youthe honest pocket dump, which

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may be underwhelming, and thenwe might get into a few pieces
of stuff we sometimes carry atother times or, depending on
where we're at, or a littlepiece of gear we think are cool,
and then we'll break down thosescenarios.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, so we're doing EDC now.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, I think we could start with our simple what
do you really have in yourpockets?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Then we can look at some of the other stuff Do you
want to go first or do you wantme to go first?
I'll go first.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
First and foremost, we've got our addictions.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'm trying to quit Zen.
Yeah, the three milligram.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm a quitter Lying to myself because you get threes
but you buy them at a full logat a time when you're buying
logs you know you're not a Sameprice Exactly.
But logs, you know same price.
You know same price exactly.
But um, but my weak stomachcan't handle the sixes, I don't
know why.
So you know, like the othernight I got a call from my
sister who was giving birth veryquickly at her home in her

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garage.
It was pretty.
It was pretty, um, like youknow, wild um, and that's a
whole nother story for adifferent time.
But I'll say, when I hopped inmy truck at 1 am I was, I said
to myself this is why we havethese, just just 24 7 it's ready
.
So I've seen.
Yeah, because you know I, I gotin the truck and I didn't have

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in my pocket, but I did have inmy uh, center console.
I always keep those, keep acouple extra.
And so I didn't have it in mypocket, but I did have in my
center console.
I always keep those, keep acouple extra.
And so I grabbed that, threw itin and put the hazards on and
trucked on down.
Or, you know, bad day at work,stub your toe, smash your finger
with a hammer, you know, throwone of those in there.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Throw one in.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know there's basically you know we could go
through the long list of all thereasons and times to put one in
which kind of comes to all thetime which you know.
Maybe we should, maybe I needto regulate that a little.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
You gotta have a schedule, man, you know.
That's why I only toss them in,and at nighttime, before bed,
for sure, I I do that, or if I'mhaving like a mid afternoon
dunk and I really need to makesure like I'm like I'm like in a
rush like let's say I'm at liketarget.
No one wants to hang out in thetarget bathroom, so I'll throw
a Zinner or two in just to makesure, the just to expedite the

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poo.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
For sure, for sure.
Sometimes you got to, and so,moving along, though you know,
obviously we got wallets.
Mine's pretty thick.
I've actually made leaps andbounds in getting less thick.
This is a small business ownerwallet for sure.
Got everybody less.
This is a small business ownerwallet, for sure, and so
everybody's business card.
This used to be a lot fatter.

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I got it down, but this wall.
I've had this wallet for umover uh 10 years now and it's
still kicking.
It's really strong, reallydurable.
But me and my buddy in collegewe got some leather and sewed
them ourselves oh nice and uh,it's uh, I like this thing, it's
a and it's, over time, smooth,nice leather but anyway.
So we'll see how long thatthing lasts.
But in the past I was goingthrough all it's probably every

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like yeah, two years, like kindof blowing them out.
You know.
But this one, you know, I likeit, I like and I don't like the
new money, like the new clips orlike the ridge stuff I was
gonna ask would you ever rockjust like a classy money?
clip maybe at some some point,but I just there's too many
different things I like to haveon me between like, like
personal credit cards, businesscredit cards.

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I do like to carry cash, um,I'm, I think it's like crazy to
not carry some cash which reallyI rarely need it.
But I like to have and thenhunting licenses, just keeping
them in there all the time, andjust fishing license so you're
not getting caught with yourpants down.
And then, um, you know, yeah,so then it just you end up.
A couple other things.
You know a crazy Carl's giftcard that's been in there for

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like five years.
It has $7 on it.
I haven't used that sort ofstuff.
There are some of that stufftoo.
But, um, you know, moving along, we've got just some.
You know some AirPods, we justsome.
You know some airpods.
We got the.
I roll with the evil empire andthe apple world, yay, but they
are.
I do.
I love them with the um.
For you know, obviously peoplelike their headphones headphones

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have come such a long way andlike battery life and all that
now and how fast they charge,how well they work with their.
You know it switches between myphone, computer, whatever, um,
but then also running in.
I'm always on a ladder in acrawl space in an attic and so
if I have these on I can takecalls um, and they also they do
have some noise cancellation.

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They have some noisecancellation.
That is does give you some uhear pro on there.
So when I'm running some powertools and stuff, it does help
some with that.
So if I'm, if I'm running somebig stuff for a long time, I
will still grab my ear pro toprotect myself, but this just
does give you that extra layerof um.
I was gonna say, you know,there, it's not for guns, it's
not for running like an anglegrinder for 10 minutes.

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But if you got it, if you'rejust, you know, making making a
running here and there, saw cutdrills, whatever like it is, it
does cut out some of that stuff.
You do have to be careful onthe noise cancellation, like you
get run over by a car.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
You can't hear anything you know coming through
on you well, I met someone whowas using them and they're like
yeah, I just used the noisecancellation of my airpod pro
for at the range.
I'm like you do know, the noisecancellation is actually not
canceling noise it's just plainnoise to try to cancel out the
other noise.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
So the decibel piece.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're still receiving the full decibels
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
And I think the way that these work I've got to look
at these.
I think the way these work isthey actually, when they're in
the non-transparency mode orwhen they're transparency mode,
they actually amplify noise.
And then when you do go noisecancellation, I don't know if it
adds noise on these or if itjust doesn't let noise through,
so gotcha, so it feels.
But um, anyways, yeah, not afull purpose ear probe, I like

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them for that.
Being able to talk on the phonekind of get addicted to those.
Um.
And then obviously, you knowthat goes with the phone.
Just you know, simple, otterbox, love that.
And in this town, you know Ithat goes with the phone.
Just you know, simple, otterbox, love that.
And in this town, you know I ama slave to it.
But you know it's time for anew phone.
You know we got some cracks inthere, but hey, get a Droid, get
an Android.
I don't know if I can convertman, it's so hard.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's not, it's so easy.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's like hard for one day, oh for sure For sure,
and then I always have someforce form of writing utensil,
usually a Sharpie, for what I'mdoing.
You know I can, that's good.
You can sign a check with aSharpie, that's fine.
You always have pens and pencilsand I stopped carrying a clicky
pen because so many times I'dlook down and I'd Blew out, Bled

(23:21):
it through my pants.
I'm like I'm done with that,you know.
And so obviously pen for allsorts of reasons.
And then I do like to carry alittle pen light flashlight and
it's just utility.
You know, I'm always looking indark places, and then it does
come in handy, you know, for allsorts of things.

(23:45):
Uh, I feel like once you startcarrying a flashlight, you're
screwed, because then you, justwhen you don't have it, you're
so bummed out and, yes, yourphone has one, but it's not
quite the same, um and so, evenlike I was at the hospital this
last week, um and my daughterhad a procedure in her mouth and
all the nurses and ENTs didn'thave pin lights.

(24:08):
They were using their iPhonelights.
Oh wow, which cast way too wide.
That's crazy, and so theyreally weren't able to see.
It's like somebody with an MDis like hold on one second, gets
out their phone, turns on theirlight and I'm like I already
have this out of my pocket.
I'm looking in her mouth andactually able to examine what

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I'm looking at.
That's crazy, because Iremember all doctors used to
have the little pen light.
That the pen light was thedoctor like, yeah, like the
little, and back like it was anactual bulb, little bulb back in
the day, I know pen lights.
So, and when you the old penlight would work by, if you, you
know, click the top, like theclip, it would contact and then
it would go through.
So you'd love to have a light,um, and then I've always got
some sort of blade, um, becauseI'm a construction guy, um,

(24:50):
usually lots of times blade isthis, um, you know, just a razor
knife um, and some days if I'mnot working, I'll show you I
carry a different knife, butusually that's what I got going
on.
It's still it works for, youknow, almost all utility things
I want and need for openingstuff and getting what I need
done.
So that's that's really like.

(25:10):
That's the simple pocket dump.
You know that's that's whatI've got on me most of the time,
and so this is the EDC,regardless.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
No matter what this is, this is always pretty much
what's on, that's in the pocket.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That's what's on, that's in the pocket.
That's what's going on, youknow.
And so the um, and I'll grab mya couple things here.
You know, when I um, if I'm outand about, if I'm not, not at
work, then I do.
I love this cricket knife.
Um, it's pretty big, you cansee, and so, like, chunk,
carrying double knife is a no-go, but um, um, it is so big.
But what I like about it, withthis one in particular, is you
don't always have to get outthis honker for um, for what

(25:54):
you're doing, because with theseat belt cutter in here you can
do so.
You can open cardboard boxes,cut string, whatever, um,
actually sometimes even moreprecisely um, and not have to
like, especially like in publicor whatever, like you're
whipping out a knife, whatever,like I can get this out and just
use it for little things.
This is like the, maybe likethe ems version or something on

(26:16):
it where, but it has a you knowseat belt cutter and then a
glass breaker on it.
But, um, yeah, this knife, it'sa little big, but I do like
having a larger knife if I'mcarrying something around, um,
and then you know the then, andso that's that would become
sometimes swapped out for the,the razor blade.

(26:38):
But the two other things I'mgonna pull, two other things
that I do carry.
Um, you know now I going to kindof move into some other, if I'm
in other situations, what I'mcarrying around.
So if I am in a spot where Ifeel like it's a little more,

(27:04):
there's people who might need tobe protected, taken care of,
whatever, and I don't want tocarry the gun.
I have been rocking this bladeyou got me, which I do like this
K-Bar is sweet.
It's a little punchy knife hereand it's pretty concealable and
you know it's been nice, nicefor you know, there I do go

(27:27):
places where I don't carry mypistol and so this just does um,
you know, obviously not end allbe all or, but it just gives
you that extra little littlesomething in there and I've been
.
It's pretty comfy and you can,you can hide it even almost
better than some of these other.
It's the same size as my pocketknife but when it's in the

(27:48):
waistband, so I think that'sbeen a pretty slick addition to
what we're doing.
And so, yeah, have you beencarrying yours around?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, pretty much every day.
Yeah, I've been messing aroundwith it and I will say it is a
pain in the ass to move thatclip.
The Allen wrench and the screwsare god awful like it's a
minimum 30 minutes to swap itaround and decide orientation,
and that's and the only thing.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know how long this clip was gonna last.
Have you know, have you feltthat or noticed that yet?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
um, I definitely have been pretty rough with it, but
it hasn't blown out on me yet.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, it's not all the way out yet, but it's
starting to get a little, youknow.
So we'll see, but, like I said,it's not all day, every day for
me, so but like that, you know,and then you know we can, and
then I think that's, I'm goingto stop there.
Let you do yours, and then wecan move into.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Wait, wait, you never carry a gun.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Well, I was going to say we can, let's all get mine
out once you get to the end ofyours, get yours out the end.
We can touch tips and compare alittle what we've got going on
All right.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, I mean, yeah, mine's going to be a lot easier.
Do you ever have an?
Hey, we just did medicaltraining.
Are you carrying medical ever?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Oh, that's a good point.
We do have, that's yep.
So when we're I'm also throwinga tourniquet in my back pocket
lots of times and then you know,spare mag in the front pocket
is where we've got stuff goingon.
So there's lots of days whereI'm rocking kind of this full
setup.
But you know, this is more that.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
You're only picking one knife, though you're not
carrying three.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Correct, correct, yeah well, I would retarded if
or gay if you're carrying threeknives.
If I carry this, I do have oneof these still.
Oh yeah, for you know, becausethis is this isn't coming out
for anything, right?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
that's coming out to like kill a dog, kill a person.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's coming out for one thing only this stuff's
coming out for cleaning myfingernails and all that sorts
of stuff.
Yeah, um.
And then, as far as pockets go,one thing I have been throwing
in my pocket oh where'd it go?
Is at the uh, um, the gauze,the gauze, this, this north
american rescue cheap gauze it'slike like $1.50 or $3, is.

(30:05):
I pair that with thattourniquet and then I have a
pretty.
You know, I've got some realgood head start on
stop-the-bleed stuff, and so,you know, this isn't always with
me.
But if I'm at a place where Ifeel like people might need to
be taken care of or there's youknow a lot of you know spots
that have lots and lots ofpeople going on, or spots that

(30:27):
might be a higher target threatrisk, you know, then we go with
that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah Cool.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Some days the pockets are loaded down.
So how about you, sir, Sir?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
what do you got going on?
Get this stuff off the table,bro, all right, all right, get
this stuff off the table, bro.
Get this stuff off the table.
I don't want people mixing myEDC with your EDC.
This is one of the things,though, like a lot of people
take a ton of pride in, I'venever cared.
I've never cared, like whensomeone's like bro, you're not

(31:00):
carrying this, I'm like, no, I'mlike you're're gonna die in the
streets and like I'm just likedude.
Uh, you know I I highly disagree.
But okay, like you know, I meanlike just because there's never
in my life have I ever seensomeone have to use any of this

(31:23):
gear other than the phone or thewallet.
You know what I mean.
Right Now people are reelingand screeching.
They're like well, mick, whatare you saying?
We should have carried guns orknives?
No, of course not.
That's not at all what I'msaying.
I'm just saying the likelihood.
You know what I mean, but I dolive in a philosophy of it's

(31:43):
better to have it and not needit than to need it and not have
it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Which is oh, go ahead .
One more thing is the GarminInstinct Solar.
I love this thing.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't care that.
I don't consider that EDC,though it's on your wrist.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, all right, but it's on me every day.
Watches are part of EDCs.
You know, I don't if it's if it.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
if it's something that doesn't get a pocket watch,
exactly I'm saying like if itdoesn't fit in pockets, or like
waistband, like if that's notwhere it goes, then it's just
like it's it's clothing, allright, it's accessory.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
All right, weigh in folks, weigh in, no, that's all
right, but like people would belike oh yeah, my edc is my like
twenty thousand dollar.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know, whatever watch and I, no, it's not Shut
up.
I think watches are.
I love my watch, I think it's anecessary part of like you know
, and there's a lot of functionand utility out of watches.
I just pretty much treat it thesame way as I treat a hat,
right, like, I mean, I'm alwaysEDC in a hat, that's true,

(32:42):
that's true.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
But I don't consider it, does your?
I will say, like, as far as one, one thing this one has is
yours.
Watch my habit too, and lots todo.
But is I can, if I hold abutton, it's sending my location
to three folks?
Oh no, mine doesn't.
It's.
It's sending my gps and myheart rate to people out there.
So huh, so if I'm, it's nice inthe woods, whatever, but also

(33:04):
like any emergency situation, Ican hold this button and it
calls out so that's got sat capcapabilities I kind of yes, it
can, it works through your phone, oh, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
So that's yeah, I think mine could do it through
the phone too, but I don't havea separate like sat uh sim card
in right, you know it can it, itdoes.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It can access satellites for gps though as
well, so like even if your phonewas offline, though, yep, okay,
cool.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I mean, that's kind of cool, I don't know, man,
because I think like, oh yeah,that'd be nice to have an
emergency, but what if I'mrunning through the, the hills
of san francisco, the, theredwoodines, and they're trying
to geolocate me so they can dropa?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
drone on me.
That's true.
That's true, you might begetting some signals, or like we
were actually at when we did atraining years ago, when we did
a retreat training, we weredoing some shooting and my watch
went off.
Oh, I remember this story,remember my watch went off while
we were doing it because Iaccidentally held the button too
long and my wife knew I was inthe woods, knew I was shooting

(34:09):
guns, and it sent an emergencyresponse.
And then I had to go get towhere I had cell service to call
it off.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, we were in the middle actually of our sweat
lodge man-on-man orgy.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I remember that was a real mood killer when you were
like, guys, I gotta go call mywife and learn.
I was so inactivated.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I was like we did fit like right now 10 10 guys in a
two-man sauna and it was sweatyit was sweaty.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Oh, yeah, I yeah, yeah, all right, anyways, all
right.
Mix edc first and nice good oldblack powder Matt, 10 rounds of
38, or, if it's real blackpowder, 44 Cal with a 20 gauge
under barrel.
And yeah, I keep that, just soI could kill the horses that the

(35:02):
men ride and then finish themafter they scratch the ground.
No, I'm just kidding, but Ialways do love to show off this
little replica.
This is a replica.
It's a great replica, all right, well, I guess.
First and foremost, let medouble check to make sure
there's nothing on my keys thatare going to give me away.
Okay, yeah, I don't think so.

(35:24):
Library card number coming foryou.
I guess my gym membership that Idon't use All right.
So first one, right when I'mleaving the house is the keys
here.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
And I got a lot of keys.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I think it's loaded up, yeah so this is the key to
my wife's Subaru, our Subaru.
But the latch broke and so shemade a sick like I, you know,
made this pocket blueprint forit.
I was like, yeah, use theparacord and then sew it in and
cut out little holes for all thebuttons.
So it's like leather, leatherface, it's like the Texas.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Chainsaw Massacre of keys.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It does look like that now, and then I got a
little wipey wiper for myglasses, like Cabela's one, and
then I got my new Belgium bottleopener and that's pretty much
it on the keys.
Everything else there is justfor the house or previous places
I've lived.
I keep those keys because ifthey don't change the locks and

(36:26):
I ever need to break in, then Ican, and so it's like what?
And I'm like, and I'm like,actually serious, like um.
Up next is probably the longestrunning multi-tool I've ever
had.
It's a gerber Super GerberSuspension.
Next, it was the one that waslike, you know, the first one

(36:52):
that had Bear Grylls like faceon the Patch like this is my
Gerber, but I really Like it alot.
It's the clip is totally blownout.
It falls out of my pocketConstantly.
But it's the rule of cheap it'slike sunglasses and watches and
anything else that's cheap isthat the cheap stuff falls off

(37:12):
of you and it won't ever go away.
It gets found.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
It just gets found or someone returns it.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
The moment I spend $60 on a Leatherman, or actually
probably $80 these days, ormore it's gone.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Oh yeah, that's why I'm not carrying a bench made
around.
Yes, you know, because thatthing's just gonna disapparate,
um, but anyways.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
and this has got a knife on it and scissors that
aren't really good anymorebecause the spring's worn out,
but I use the file and thescrewdriver a ton.
I use probably the screwdriverand I don't know what this is.
It's just like a flat and it'snot a can opener, but it's just
a flat like shim that's angledbut it's not sharp enough to

(37:56):
really cut.
It's not as sharp as a knife,oh yeah, but the tip's worn down
because of how much I've usedthat tip to just pop lids
without having to chip the tipoff my knife.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And it's like sharp enough to like whittle kind of
you know like scrape somethingor like you know.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I genuinely think the concept behind it is that you
could use it to you know.
You know, hold it up to the cama little, but I think the
concept is like you could put iton wood and then just like rock
hammer.
That.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
And it's like such a wide wedge that it would give
you like a splitter or something?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
yeah, like you can kindle pretty easy without
having to use your knife.
All right, I don't really know.
Yeah, but I use it a lot.
I use that one more thananything else.
Um, so there we go, that's one,uh.
Second knife is my cricket, andI can't remember what this one's
called.
It's called the cricketsomething.

(38:52):
I got to be real carefulactually deploying it so I don't
cut myself, but it deploys offof this corner up here and that
corner catches on your like thecorner seam of your jeans, uh,
like the corner seam of yourjeans, mm, and it uh pushes the
blade out like that, right, andit essentially friction locks in

(39:16):
a like base.
It's like similar to like alocomotion train wheel.
Um, but this is my like sit inthe pocket, uh, scoop out and
deploy in one motion and uh,punch people or dogs.
Um, now that I walk a dog likethree to five miles a day and I

(39:37):
see how bad all the other dogsare, my number one thing is like
I'm probably gonna have to killanother dog.
I don't.
I'm more likely to have to killanother dog than another person
because a lot of people justare awful at training their dogs
, which is just a sad thingnowadays.
I have no desire to kill a dog,but if it comes between your dog
running up and biting mine orme like dude, I'm not going to

(40:01):
wrestle your dog for a minutewhile it's throat locked on mine
.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I'm just going to cut your dog.
Minute, while it's throatlocked on mine.
I'm just gonna cut your dog.
It's a.
It's a, yeah, it's a.
As someone who's been attackedmultiple times by dogs, yeah,
you know, I think, uh, it is,it's a.
It's a reality that you knowyou got to watch out for,
especially like little kids,yeah, little kids and and bad
dogs is, uh is bad, um, you gotto keep an eye out for them.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
But anyways, there's my second knife.
All right, I like it.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
It's like a.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
also like it Because it looks like a velociraptor's
Talon.
You know, claw.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Here's my third knife .
It's the same thing that Patpulled out just a minute ago,
but it's a little more worn onthe scuffed because I I keep it
on my back side, um, and I keepit like this, so that way the
clip is on my belt and this isflash flush against my back, but
it's there so I can reach backwith my left hand and grab it,

(41:03):
and grab it like I'm reachingfor my wallet, so.
So that's kind of my like.
I guess if I got someone who'sgot the drop on me pretty good
and I'm like dude, I don't knowif I could clear my appendix
holster quick enough I couldgrab that toss wallet and, in
the motion of handing the walletover, start going to town and
start punching.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Would you ever just give the wallet and get out of
there?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
For sure, depending on the situation.
Right like, you want options,you want options.
Here's my biggest thing is like, if they're willing to threaten
my life for my stuff, that'senough for me to believe that
they actually mean it would bewilling to take my life after
they got my stuff.
But you know, let's say it'sBillie Jean and I and someone

(41:49):
who just looks like they want tojet, and if it's in a position
where I'm like, ooh, I can'treally clear Billie Jean from
being behind me or my backstop,then I'll probably do what I can
until I have a pretty goodopportunity.
If the good opportunity neverarises, then you know, you just

(42:09):
cross your fingers and pray toGod that you're fast enough in
the moment if it looks likethey're going for it.
But all that is like one ofthose things where you just
pretty much got to trust themoment.
It's pretty bad to draw on adrawn gun.
Your only hope is reallydistracting.
And the one thing I've seenwork really good in a lot of
actual use cases, especially inlike Brazil, and all that is

(42:30):
homies just grabbing theirwallet and fumbling it, tossing
it on the ground and then theyeither just go to town with a
knife or a gun like the attackerand it's just pretty good.
Most attackers don't think totell you to pick it up.
They go to pick it up.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Because they want it so bad?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
yeah, because their next hit is their next I need
that for my heroin, exactly,anyways, uh, but if you guys
will notice, I was just makingfun of pat.
I was like what?
What gay retard carries threeknives um, I said that I will
never insult someone if it's notsomething I'll insult myself
about.
Um, so there we go.
Uh now, uh right side pocket.

(43:11):
So I'll say this uh, keys hangoff left side belt loop, uh like
just actually on the like veryleft side of me not on my back,
not on my front.
This is a back left pocket.
This is on right pocket Front,like right side pant pocket.
This is behind my back leftback pocket.

(43:32):
So this is like just above that.
This is other stuff in theright side pocket Some Zemos.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I love me my Zemos, all right.
I don't know if I've heard ofthose yet.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Eight milligrams.
Oh wow, they're heavy 20pouches, eight milligrams for
like $.99.
Wow, yeah, suck on that.
Zen zen's also like eight bucksnow dude.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, today it was insane, it was 9.50.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
No, no, dude, you used to be able to buy three
cans for that.
I know I love these.
Right here I have a bag of 10and this is just the same pair
I've been using for a long time.
I might actually only have ninenow, because I think I put them
on a buddy because he's like Ican break out of those.
You cannot break out of these.

(44:17):
But these are basically likenylon shoelace lock cuffs and
this plastic blue piece here.
If you pull it through, there'sno way to undo it, there's no
way at all to undo.
So once, once you tighten itdown with whatever's in these
loops, uh, you have to cut itall right, which is also a nice
thing to have multiple knives.
Uh, to cut right, because ifyou're like, okay, well, I've,

(44:40):
I've assessed the situation,this person is not a threat, so
I'm going to cut them loose.
So I can, you know, deal withwhatever else, right, um, which
we'll go through a couplescenarios, I guess, of how that
actually almost played out.
Uh, at the church securitything, uh, but zemos love them.
Nice, beautiful nicotine logs.
Um, my phone is recording, um,so it's up there.

(45:06):
I actually don't walk aroundwith headphones most of the time
.
I only have headphones if I'mout walking the dog, but if I'm
leaving the home I don't usuallybring them.
And then nice, big old fatCarhartt leather wallet.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
You got a fat one going on.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, but it's like it's mostly fat because of all
that cash.
Left side is like all thebusiness cards I've received.
Right side is all my likemembership cards and stuff, and
then it's got a like secondcompartment mini wallet oh yeah
so when I don't have pockets forthe big one, I just bring this

(45:42):
one with like a credit card inmy id.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, I like that, I like that and that's you know,
like the because peoplesometimes give me, give me flack
for having all that card in myid.
Yeah, I like that, I like thatand that's.
You know, like the becausepeople sometimes give me, give
me flack for having all thatstuff in my wallet.
But I'm, like, I'm not the typeof person who's gonna like, if
I'm going out of the house, likehave the plan for the day that
I might like I'm gonna go tolike the library and the gym and

(46:03):
the grocery store, so I need tolike bring that gift card I got
and this membership, it's like.
No, I just have that in mypocket because when I get
somewhere and I don't have thatthing I like want to freak out
yeah you know.
So I gotta stay stacked andlots of guys give me flack for
it.
But I think that part ofresponsibility as a man is just
being ready for what's coming up, and lots of stuff in your

(46:24):
wallet can be very helpful likegetting that discount from king
supers at the gas, exactly, um,all right.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
This thing, though, this is actually the thing I
carry the most.
I carry this more than anythingelse because I have a rule.
My rule is, if I'm puttingpants on pants on gun on, all
right, um, and a lot of peopleare like, yeah, but like you
know what, you can't do that allthe time because of sweats or
whatever.
I'm like, no, no, I can't do itall the time because I am
rocking an enigma.
Oh yeah, for people who don'tknow, the enigma is a separate

(46:58):
inner belt that, uh, you canplace on um, so you're wearing
this like magnetic latch here,and that allows you to
essentially wear this whenyou're wearing sweats or shorts
or swim trunks, whatever, andyou can tighten this yourself on
your inner lining, right overyour boxers and like an

(47:22):
undershirt if you want, and thatallows you that you don't have
to wear a belt on the outside orlike some kind of reinforced
sweats or whatever, um, and so Ireally like it a lot, and this
holster I have is the holsterspecifically for just the tlr1
um light.
So you can see, here I got myshadow systems and this tlr

(47:45):
light, though I can put it onmyX-45, which is a much bigger
gun and that can go and fit inthis holster just as well, with
the trigger covered tight On theback of the holster I have a
Velcro pad and a nice softProtect my Nuts pillow, because,
if you think about it, thispillow is like going next to my

(48:06):
nuts or my balls and, uh, itangles the gun out away from
them.
It is also just nice and comfyto have that on um and then so
also, people know our firearms.
We have our dry fire mags inthem, which I imagine is what
pat wants to kind of show offtogether.
But this dry fire mag meansthere can't be an actual round

(48:28):
in the chamber because themagazine's not a real magazine
and it just helps reset thetrigger which I.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
I think, though, if you do have, you can have your
gun go off if you put a round inthere and then put the dry fire
mag in and pull the trigger.
I think it depends on the gunright, but just for the you know
.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh sure, just for you know it's like I don't think
you can put a nine millimeterround with the mag for the glock
style.
Oh yeah, I don't think the Ithink I think the spring will
get in the way of it going yeah,which is good, but either way
it's still, you know you clearit and you go dry fire.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
but what I like, so like also with that pillow it's
pushing it back into you, sothis seems like your printing is
so minimal too, since this topis pulling it in from the
outside on your belt.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
If you imagine, my jeans belt loops are going over
this with the leather.
You can see I wear it all thetime.
It's super warning.
These are backup mags.
They are the legal limit,YouTube.
They are the legal limit,YouTube, don't worry, YouTube.
Uh, they're what I'm illegallyallowed to have.
They're only loaded up to thelegal limit YouTube.

(49:33):
Um, but I keep them in a um, oh.
What's it called?
Uh, blue alpha, not blue alpha,Is it blue alpha?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, the blue Larry Vickers company.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I think it's blue alpha.
Um, but it's Blue Alpha, butthey're like stretchy nylon
pistol bag holster.
And then I'm walking aroundwith this other 15-round
magazine running some Normasilver hollow points.
Because of the werewolves inour neighborhood They've gone
bad.
So you're hitting four magsnormally.
No, I'm running.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Sorry, this one's usually okay in there, all right
, and then?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
these are on my backup, okay, um, but I have
been playing around with theidea of throwing an extra liner
right here, next another holsterright here to hold a tourniquet
, um, but I'm not sure I likethat format more than the
tourniquet on, like in a pocketoutside on the waistband you

(50:30):
know um.
So all that said, because I alsothink like if I have the
tourniquet and I'm shot and Ineed someone to get it to put it
on me, I don't want them topanic if they see my gun you
know and not help me so there's.
There's some scenarios of thatI'm playing through, but that is
my edc, uh, sans the phone.

(50:51):
Um, I don't think.
Yeah, I don't think there'sanything else mick usually
carries.
Let me check real quick.
Oh, I got a dog bag here,that's empty yep but, nice,
usually edc and doggy treats inhere.
Oh nice, I'm a big dog ownernow I'm a dog, dad, you went all

(51:12):
in um, yeah, so I think that'sit.
And then I have my uh, I becomea pretty regular backpack, one
strap sling backpack guy justbecause you can honestly just
carry so much more, um, and likeI have my laptop in there and
all that, which is great.
But the number one stuff, likenumber one things I have in

(51:34):
there that I really appreciatethe sling bag gives me the
ability to carry, is a littlebit of body armor, especially if
I want to hand that backpackoff to someone else, like Billy
Jean, you know, to keep thembodied, um.
And then I have, of course, myIFAC in there with enough, you
know, medical stuff to use on me, but also, um, a little bit of

(51:57):
extra space for, like, um, if Iwant to have medical stuff
staged to put on other people,um, and then I have most days,
um, especially if I'm likeactually going into town and
rolling around.
I got the Flux running aroundinside with a couple backup mags
and it's all secured in theircompartments, essentially

(52:24):
commuting um and having likecompartmentalized stuff for like
your gun in one part, pocketyour ifac in another and then
your daily usage stuff likekeyboard, laptop, notebook,
charging cords all that inanother.
Yeah uh, it's called the vertexcommuter 2.0.
If anyone's interested in it'sa great sling bag.
So far I really like it.

(52:45):
The only thing is if you do useit daily it is going to wear
down a lot faster than I thinkyou might expect.
So I already got some sewing Ineed to do on it to like secure
some stuff.
Nothing like detrimental, but,pat, you can see here like it's
just oh yeah, at the most highstress points some of the weaker

(53:07):
threadings coming in on dead.
Yeah, but the only thing that'sdoing is just keeping the foam
inserts covered.
Yeah, so, but anyways, it's apretty great backpack.
I like it a lot and I've walkedlike probably 12 hours with it
on at most and it's sore.
But you put on the supportwaistline buckle and it totally
shifts all the weight to yourwaistline.

(53:28):
You're just not going to get toit.
You're not going to swing itaround and get your gun out as
fast, but also if you're walkingaround 12 hours a day like that
, you probably don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
you're ready to whip it quite so fast?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Maybe.
Yeah, I was in DC, so I waslike, oh, there's no gun in here
, anyways, yeah I maybe.
Yeah, I was in dc so I was like, oh, there's no gun in here,
anyways, yeah, um I, I had myknives on me for dc so, but
anyways, all right, that's, uh,that's mix edc.
Yeah, I will say, I'm notcheating here, because I would
like to be carrying medical onmy body all day, every day, and

(54:05):
I just haven't done, I haven'tstarted carrying it every day,
all, all day.
It's pretty much always on mewhatever I'm taking the backpack
.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
And that's you know.
That's where at some point youdo have to kind of.
You only have so many pocketsand so much.
You know that you're it's.
You want to prepare for thescenarios you could encounter,
but it does.
At some point it gets a littledifficult to, like, you know,
have, you know, have yourhundred foot of P cord in your
back pocket just in case you gotto repel down something.

(54:34):
You know which is why someonehears me say that and says you
can't do that P cord but weactually, in college, we
designed a sick repelling systemwith P cord and we tried it out
and it didn't break.
I don't even know what P cord is, parachute cord five five, 50
cord like you're got thin stuff,but um, anyways the I always

(54:54):
just call it bear cord.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Um, I will, but anyways, like my biggest thing,
the way I say that is like I docarry the gun everywhere, every
day.
My big philosophy is if you'regonna have your concealed carry
license and it's gonna be on you, my rule is that wherever the
license goes, gun goes too,because I don't want to be

(55:15):
caught flat-footed, someonetaking my wallet and seeing my
concealed carry license in itand then turn around and blow my
brains out because I didn'thave my gun on me, or just
laughing at you and insultingyou, being like I don't care man
dude, if they insult me and I'mnot dead, that like they open
it up and they're

Speaker 2 (55:26):
like you don't even have, like I'm insulted that you
didn't come to party.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Again.
At the end of the day, all Icare about is going on live.
They can make fun of me as muchas they want, but I would
imagine here's my thing If I'mstealing from you and I see that
you handed me your wallet andit's got your CCW license in it,
I'm going to shoot you in theface because I'm not taking any
risk today with you trying to bea hero or something.
You know what I mean, yep.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, no for sure, and the yeah, so the that's
where I've.
I don't carry all the timeanymore and a big part of that
being like, did you ever carrydaily?
There was a point in time.
But then, like, honestly, likeworking construction and
crawling around all the time,like crawling around in a crawl

(56:15):
space with like a pistol on youone I'm in people's houses all
the time like I think that'slike a.
I do think that's a little bitof a violation of trust in some
ways.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
you know to be like, you know going in people's homes
that way, yikes, I mean, youknow I go in everybody's home
that way, you know I say thatmore as like right me, like
violated people's trust but likeI'm talking like sometimes 10,
15 houses of strangers a day.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, that's for real and so I get it and then some
people are like well then, howdo you protect yourself?
I'm like well, I just, I justlet them rate me, you know it
you just know it's going tohappen when you sign up for sure
.
And so I, I I'm not a everyday,all day, but um, I do, um, I do,
yeah, I, I, I have it when atother times you know, and yeah,

(57:04):
so really, with my job, my job,it doesn't feel, it feels like
it actually be in some ways lesssafe and you know to be
crawling around in attics andeverything and whatever else.
So especially, you know like Iwouldn't want like the
maintenance man like carrying ahot piped pistol, like while
he's doing like gyrations andspider monkeying in the attic

(57:25):
over my kid's bedroom.
You know like just it's kind ofso that's that's.
You know that's part of mystuff there.
But yeah, when I'm carrying myholster is pretty simple, I
might upgrade at some point, youknow, with to something a
little more that I can, a littlemore adjustable and fine tuning
, and then also I don't have alight on right now that I'm

(57:46):
actually gonna also have to geta upgrade at that point.
I figured I'd get somethingnice once the light.
That's also what I want tostart daily.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I used to always edc a flashlight, yep, and then I my
flashlight died on me.
It was a.
It was a pretty nice surefirethat just like combusted itself.
So I was like, all right, well,I don't know what to get now,
and I just had like buyer'shesitation and I never bought

(58:13):
another flashlight, right, so Ireally should.
I just don't, and there's noexcuse.
I know I should have aflashlight because the issue is
a lot of people like, well, Igot a flashlight in my gun.
I'm like, yeah, but what if youneed id something?
You don't want the gun?
Point that thing.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know what I mean?
Yep, because there's that's onething.
There's lots of videos of copslike using their flashlight and
like, uh, like there isn't athreat, there's nothing going on
, but they're pulling out theirgun and and just how to have it
pulling their gun andspotlighting something like yeah
, over top of a patient, orsomething like there's someone
on the ground hurt, or whatever,trying to find something like

(58:51):
so yeah, that's where I do, likethe, I do have a light, my pen
light comes in and then I do,yeah, we'll get something on
here.
I'm looking at the TRH eight,seven or eight.
It's like a just a littlelittle.
You know the smaller version forthis guy, um, just a p365, uh,

(59:13):
x macro.
Um, I do like the size of thiscarry and the.
You know the old 365s have thatshorter grip.
I do like the.
You really kind of a full sizeish grip with as far as length
goes and then, but just that,that lower profile for for

(59:33):
walking around.
And I do think that if you'regoing to carry, you should,
whatever you're carrying, youshould get get something you
feel comfortable carrying in,because you will carry more.
Like, yeah, if you havesomething that's, you know,
super inconvenient, then you'regonna, you're gonna make the
decision to not carry that daybased.
You shouldn't be making adecision based off of comfort.
Yeah, right, like you can.

(59:55):
If you have other reasoning,fine, but you know, if it's, um,
uh, if it's a comfort thing,then you don't want to do that.
But so it's usually.
You know this guy, I just carryone spare mag and potential
capacities of this 365 mag, twoof them.
You could have quite a fewrounds if you wanted, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Here's what I think, man.
I started like role playingscenarios in this game called
Ready or Not, and the firstlevel of the game is a couple
armed robbers at a gas stationand it's a SWAT game where
you're supposed to go in as aSWAT team, but you can just set
it up, so you're just going inwith your sidearm.
You get to set how many magsyou want if you got any body

(01:00:40):
armor.
And I will say I realized in ashooter situation, like in a gas
station or something like that,having one mag or two mags is a
fucking nightmare.
Oh yeah, it's just.
You're just like okay, maybe ifthere's one person, right, but
like there's a couple times I'veseen videos of like three or
four guys knocking a gas stationoff, yep, and I'm just like

(01:01:05):
holy shit, like one mag iscertainly not enough, like I'm
not I'm not john wick, I'm notgetting all head shots, you know
what I mean.
And like also, two mags didn'tfeel like enough.
So for me, I'm always like,whether it's this or the fnx 45,
um, I'm always going out withthree mags, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Or the flux, the flux , I'm always rolling out with a
couple four mags yeah justbecause I can do store it in the
backpack for sure, and that'swhere, like the, you know, and
at the time at, at this momentin time, my capacity is
completely okay.
In the future it may not be,you know, sure, so so, and
that's a different story.
But you know, with um, I've gotbuddies who have like a, they

(01:01:45):
carry pistol with like a sevenround mag.
Right, I'm like, yeah, youshould probably have more,
because they carry three magsand my one 17 round mag is
basically just as much as theyhave, right, so the um, you know
what 34 rounds, you know, Idon't know I don't know so it's
not quite that you know's.
I see where it could be.
Here's the deal.

(01:02:07):
It would the at the.
You know.
Obviously, at the moment whenit totally runs dry and you wish
you had a third one, yeah,that's that moment you've
realized you messed up.
But for the time being, I keepthe, I keep the one spare.
Um, and I do also.
I actually keep my uh wheneverI I keep this where I keep my

(01:02:28):
gun, I keep my tourniquetactually on top of it, Because
when I pull my, when I put mygun on, I put my tourniquet
there for one, so I don't forgetit.
But two, as a little bit of amindset thing to go like what is
the purpose of this tool that'scoming with me today and it is

(01:02:51):
supposed to be a life-saving andprotection tool?
You know, and so and that'ssometimes how we see guns you
know, just depending on, youknow where you're at with
everything, and so this is justa gut check, mindset, check that
when I if and when I'm carryingI've got I'm, I'm going to, if
I'm taking something to takelife, I'm also taking something

(01:03:11):
to save life.
It's just like a little thingin my, in my mind, to just just
sets my mind right of like.
You know, this isn't my roadrage thing.
It's not coming out to show thatI got a big old wiener, you
know um why, is this here, it'sfor a purpose of protection
specifically of others.
And that's one of the thing,too where I've said this before,

(01:03:32):
I think, on the pod where Ireally part of why I don't carry
it all the time is I don'tcarry for self-defense, which I
know sounds weird.
I carry for typically defense ofothers, right and that's where
lots of people's mindset is too,but that's a part of you know
where in general.
That's kind of where my mindsetsits on some of these things

(01:03:53):
and obviously I'll protectmyself, you know, but the main
reason why is for those aroundme or what's going on around me.
So that's kind of where I fallwith those things.
But yeah, that's what.
I've been carrying this for awhile.
I like it.
I like this little guy.
Were you putting it in thetourniquet?
You're putting it, not when I'mcarrying it.

(01:04:15):
No, Like in my safe.
Yeah, okay, this is sitting ontop of it or in the slot where I
have it.
It sits in front of me.
It's like this is what I seefirst.
Sits in front of me.
It's like this is what I seefirst.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I put that in my pocket and then I, then I load
up, you know.
So when are you carrying thatchurch usually?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
yes, okay, all right, yeah, so that's like you know,
like that's where, like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I just was wondering, like what are the scenarios
that you're?
Deeming it like okay, I'mbringing this with me today yeah
, you know there's certain like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
You know, if I'm going out with my family
somewhere, or to, or to spotswhere, where I call like target
rich environments, meaning fromthe perspective perspective of a
bad guy, you know if and umperspective of a bad guy, spots
where people they'd want to.
You know lots of people aregathering and uh kind of mass,

(01:05:02):
uh, you know threat type stuff.
So um and then or and or.
You know if if we're going longdrives in the mountains,
whatever, then it's it's comingin the car you know that sort of
thing too yeah, so yeah sick.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Well, people, let us know what your edc is, um, and
let us know why ours is gay anddumb.
Um, I will say, definitely,check out these dry fire mags.
Show the bottom of them.
We're not sponsored by themright now, but they did offer to
sponsor the show, which is kindof cool.
But essentially they allow youto pull the trigger and it

(01:05:39):
resets the trigger for you,which I think is pretty sick and
a great dry fire trainer.
And you can tune that springreset to be pretty close to the
weight of your trigger as itbreaks, um, normally.
So anyways, big fans of dryfire mag, you can get, you know,

(01:06:00):
thousands of thousands of repsin for basically cost of nothing
, cost of the dry fire mag andand for certain models of guns
they've come out with the sweetnew one with the laser.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So when you shoot it puts a little dot where you're.
You know generally where you'regoing to be hitting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I really want that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yep, and they didn't have it for the 365 yet I think
they do have it for the Shadowsand the Glocks, but it is more
money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
You know More mon, I was in the clocks, but it is
more money, you know, but moremonies.
But it is a nice little tool.
So I'll say this I know wheremy bullets are going.
Oh yeah, they're going whereverI'm aiming.
Yeah, um, anyways, uh, all thatsaid, the edc stuff.
Full circle back to training forstop the bleed at the church.
Right, we were doing ourtraining, which a lot of it, you

(01:06:48):
know.
We encouraged our security teamat our church to, you know,
come prepared to learn, but also, like, bring stuff that you
would have on you usually, right, so that way we can go over
this and hopefully you learnwhat you have on.
You's probably not Um, but also, like you know, okay, if I had

(01:07:08):
the turnkey on me, how would Iuse that?
You know, gauze, chest wounds,stuff like that, um, so all I
said we had a individual comeout to teach us.
Uh, he goes by tie and tie.
Um is a search and rescue guy.
Um, he's been tasked on thoseteams for quite a while and he

(01:07:29):
also attends attachment, justlike our buddy Rice-A-Roni, but
he just does some pretty cool,badass tactical medicine up in
the mountains and he pretty muchcame and taught us for free.
We of course tipped him for hisservices because we were so
thankful for his time and allthat.

(01:07:49):
But the dude was very generous.
He came out and just did a verythorough presentation on items,
um, regarding you know, thestop, the bleed course, uh, and
kind of a lot of the officialmaterials and how they apply in
a combat setting, which ofcourse doesn't apply usually in
an emergency scenario in church.
But then he helped us adapt alot of that training and how it

(01:08:12):
could be used for a scenario of,like, an active shoot at church
or, you know, a horribleaccident.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
And Pat kind of mentioned one of the big things
that we learned was you, thedifference between, uh, life
threatening and distractinginjuries, you know, and not
everything, not everything, noteverything, not everything, not

(01:08:45):

(01:09:10):
everything, not everything, noteverything not everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
So for the best you know and get them to the
emergency services as soon aspossible.
So, anyways, all that said, itwas a really great training, but
I think the thing that Ilearned the most was from,
honestly, because all themedical stuff was stuff I
already knew.
I did know, I did hear from alot of our guys that they had
never heard or gotten that kindof medical level education.

(01:09:36):
And for those who don't know,like imagine cpr and then
ratchet that up to like you know, a level in which you're
applying medical, life-savingknowledge for like a mass mass
triage, like Boston Marathonbombing, which was also a lot of
the examples of right is likehow are you doing triage for a

(01:09:57):
scenario like this?
As like a citizen who'sprepared, but not a nurse, not a
doctor, not an EMS.
So I know a lot of guys saidthat that was phenomenal, but
the thing that I thought wascertainly most valuable for me
was the scenarios that we wererunning at the end, where we'd
have three people on our teamstep out and then everyone else

(01:10:18):
in the auditorium or sanctuaryfor the church would be given a
role of what to do, um, and thenthe three coming in would have
to freaking, immediately assesswhat the hell's going on and
who's shooting who?
Or is the shooting over?
Uh, okay, who's who needs helpwhere?
And who's just in the way?
Who's a distraction?
How do I control thedistractions?

(01:10:39):
Um, and so those were allreally good and I think, pat,
you know, I'm curious to hearyour opinions.
I think, pat, you know I'mcurious to hear your opinions.
But I think the number onething that I saw that I think
most people were aware of at theend, the thing I saw that I
thought was most detrimental,was 100% like that tunnel vision

(01:10:59):
of zeroing in on like oh,there's someone on the ground
who's hurt, or oh, there'ssomeone with a gun, and just
tunneling in on that and notbeing aware of everything else
around you.
In the scenario, like I know,when I was running in, I honed
in on a guy who was apparentlyour good guy with a gun in this
situation.
I drew on him, gave himcommands, told him up against

(01:11:22):
the wall, took his gun from him.
Wasn't the real shooter and thereal shooter was over by the
wall, just shooting us.
Yeah, yelling bang, bang, bang,bang.
Uh, we were all dead.
I don't think anyone shot him.
Um, which was crazy because Ijust honed in so hard on that
one guy with the gun and, ofcourse, we had a buddy who was

(01:11:44):
pretending to be dead next tohim, and so I I was like, oh my
gosh, like what is going on here?
Is this guy going to switch onme in the last moment?
I need to secure this weapon.
In reality, you know, I guessyou would have I would have
still heard banging from theother side of the room, gunshots
from the other side of the room, but it only takes one gunshot
to like take your lights out.
So it was one of those thingswhere I saw it for myself.

(01:12:06):
Everyone on that run, though,didn't spot the shooter.
Everyone zoned in on doingmedical triage for the people
who were injured, um, andthere's a couple other ones.
I saw, like people reallyreally honing in on the work
with their hands, whether that'sputting um a tourniquet on and
not being aware of a gun layingright next to them, um, or being

(01:12:30):
aware of a gun still on theperson you're trying to take
care of, yeah, um, or I think abig one was.
There was someone who's runningaround trying to get asked,
like trying to help out, and hewasn't aware that he was
flagging his gun on a lot ofpeople and he was like, do you
need help?
And he'd put his hand out ortalk or something, and that gun
would be like pointing at thehead of the dude who's trying to

(01:12:51):
stuff a wound.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, oh man, like sothere was so much to learn from
it.
Um, and I think everybodywalked away being like whoa,
there's a lot here that, like, Ineed to think about and start,
you know, playing through mymind and have a better idea of,
like how to be moresituationally aware, but also,

(01:13:11):
like, more prepared for how tohandle it when I have to.
You know, oh my gosh, there's alot of blood.
I need to start packing thisguy's wound or applying a
tourniquet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I also need to secure my weapon and not just set it
on the ground so definitely, andI think that when I had very
similar situ, similarreflections, because, um, the,
the devils and the details onall this stuff, where you have,
um, you go through, there's likethere's so many different parts

(01:13:45):
, so many different things totrain on, that you then, in a
scenario, have to activate allat one time stuff, and then, um,
crowd control, um, and then, uh, medical, you know, attention,
medical skills, assessing,determining, you know who needs

(01:14:14):
what, when, how, how fast, um,priorities of care, and that too
, and then also, uh,communicating with your team,
and all those things are, um,all those things are need to be
trained individually and and alot and then and then put
together into one because on thefirst run through the fellows

(01:14:37):
who came in, um, they justdidn't talk yeah, there's no
communication?
yep, and so basically the way weran the scenario was two guys
came in first and then a thirdguy would come in, respond, as
you know, a couple seconds later.
So by the time this the secondway, two guys come in and the
second guy comes in.

(01:14:57):
He's like looking around, likewhat's going on, who needs help?
Like where what's happening?
Is the shooter down?
He doesn't know what's going on.
And then, and basically like hewas trying to communicate, but
he just wasn't being very loudor forceful, yeah, and so nobody
was hearing him and the otherguys really technically wouldn't
even know he was there.
Um, and so even just something,something as simple as

(01:15:19):
communication, once thatcommunication breakdown happens,
um, it all, you know, it went,uh, silos, yeah, it can spiral
downhill fast, and so the Ithink also too, like the first
couple ones, a lot of people notmoving, like the injured.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
You know it wasn't until, like I think, the third
scenario.
I saw people picking up andmoving people out of the pews to
try to be like oh all right, wegot to put stuff, got to put
stuff on these people, we got tomove them Cause there's no way
to.
It's so hard to triage whenthey're like laying on a pew or
in between pews?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yep, no for sure.
And when?
When I ran, I think as, as faras the scenarios go, I ran it
three times, if I remember right.
The first time was actually mybest run through as far as, like
, awareness, awarenessassessment, assessment,
communicating to the team,directing people and making
calls, and then it actually itbroke down from there and I'll

(01:16:16):
go through those others in asecond, but yeah, the first time
I did feel like I came in.
You know, it was like all right,I'm, I'm and I I feel like are
some of the trainings we've beendoing recently because we've
done a little cqb run throughand things like that.
I was able to um, approach itwith that um, not having to be

(01:16:36):
top of mind, like it wasn'ttaking all my bandwidth, and so
I was able to clear, walk in,assess and then um, um and then
and then also find my voice andgive commands.
That's part of like.
Similarly, with thecommunication piece, that's what
we saw with a couple weeks agowas probably the main breakdown.
At the beginning too, it wasguys just not talking, not

(01:16:58):
saying anything.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Was it QB Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Nobody knows what's happening, and you might as well
not even be holding weapons.
Yeah, if you're not talking orusing your radios correctly, or
talking correctly, you're not.
Your weapon's not even going tohelp you.
All it's going to do is geteverybody hurt.
Um and so, um, I was able to dothat, the first run through
some you know and direct, andthen you know, and then doing

(01:17:20):
the hands-on, uh, applying theyou know, tourniquets, chest
seals and that, and uh, it's, uhit was.
What was surprising, though,was at the end of it, I, my
heart rate was up, I was amped,I was in it.
You know like yeah and, uh, alittle bit of motor function, a
little bit gone, just like evenrushing trying to put a
tourniquet on.
Help, help the situation, youknow, go where it needs to go.

(01:17:41):
And so, um, one thing I do wishwe need to figure out a way to
be able to use radios fortraining.
But I think it was a good callnot to this time, because you
don't want to be throwing out onairwaves, it could be going
everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Words like shooter, I'm shot, it's people injured,
call 911, all these things youknow.
So we opted to not use our openradio communication to you know
, for any nearby.
Like you know, people withhardware store would be freaking
out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
We should make our own.
We just got to encrypt our ownchannels?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, for sure, and I think that you know that would.
That'll be another layer,because in communication is one
thing, then adding radiocommunication on top of is a
whole nother.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Next level difficulty that, yeah, that that's one
thing I want to emphasize.
That too is like I've even beenfinding in a couple few
trainings I went to, we weredoing like entry control, uh
points and like how to controlthose?
uh, I guess you could say entrypoint control, uh.
But a lot of people like justhave no confidence on a radio
because they've never had to useone before, and so they like

(01:18:40):
hit the button and hold it up totheir mouth and like, oh man,
what do I actually say?
And they just speak plainly atfirst, or they they kind of
mimic what they think it shouldsound like right like um, uh,
pat, uh, this is mick.
No, I mean mick uh, mick.
Hey, pat, uh, you, can you comehere, yeah, and then they stop

(01:19:03):
it, then they hit it again overyou know what I mean and like
it's like one of those thingsare like people who just had no
experience on radios, just don'tknow the kind of like real,
like best form of communicatingwhen you only can communicate
one way and it's very easy tolike cut someone off
accidentally, so for sure and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
So you have that first scenario.
You know went well and then,but are and then the?
The second scenario we didmessed me up, I think, because
I'm not saying I did perfect andit was all this, but because
that first one went well.
The next time I ran it and we'dbeen running a few times

(01:19:46):
through, we were also, I willsay we were using our real
firearms, but with them eitherbroken down or completely
cleared or dry fire mags in.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Yeah, I think everyone either had a dry fire
mag in or a dummy round in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, we had, and we had double man empty checks Just
cleared everything, no ammo onsite, so it was safe.
But that being said, I was.
We did run into the scenarioagain and I was second man in,
really third man in, so like twoguys went in and then there's
loud pops and bangs going on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
That was me stomping on some poppers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Well, and so what happened?
So, but right, but as we wentin there, I did I basically
broke scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I basically broke scenario, like I mean like cause
I was processing in my brain isis the worst thing happening
now, which is someoneaccidentally shot somebody?
Which is a training, a training, a training situation gone awry
with either one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
You know, you know a couple of things going on.
One, yeah, somebody's we messedup.
Someone has live ammo tosomebody from the out.
Somebody walking outside heardand it's kind of like, you know,
because it's you know, thewalls aren't that thick on our
church.
You know where someone walkingby outside could hear someone
yelling stop, get to the ground,whatever.
All this stuff like what isgoing on.
And so the I did not performwell on that one.

(01:21:10):
And then, and our instructor,even he kind of was like you
know, he's like he was laughing,he was like man, we got you on
that one.
I was like, yes, but that'sbecause I was processing to like
the point of being like what,and because you were in the
stairwell, yeah, that was coming.
And I'll say, going back to thepoint where you're saying you
know we would probably hear thebang, the real bang bangs, and

(01:21:31):
like see the shooter.
Yeah, in that room.
I'm not so sure because itsounded because, because the way
that room's designed, it wascoming from the top floor, like
like the upstairs, and comingoff the stage psych this big
yeah thing that echoes soundback, and it was like I was
trying to locate it and I couldnot find what was going on.
That's crazy.
And so there was, like I did um, I was, I was for a few seconds

(01:21:57):
, I was really trying to figureout what is actually happening
right now am I going to continuea scenario, yeah, or is this
like we have to?
like you know, how did the otherguys on your team?

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
respond because, of course, yeah, I didn't see
anything.
I was in the stairwellpretending to be dead, I was
just stomping on poppers.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
That's right, they had already gotten you at that
point.
No one got me.
Well, when you were, no one gotyou.
Oh right, right, because yougot killed by a good guy in the
church, right, but they werestill clearing.
But I was just because I,because I'd came in behind them.
They had already, like, seen itor known and whatever, but I
had no idea and those thingssmelled pretty smoky.

(01:22:38):
Oh yeah, they did.
I was like, and so, anyways, itdid, it threw me for a loop, so
I did um, I guess in some waysI I dropped the ball, but also
in other ways I was like I didnot know this was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
It was awesome what he pulled about, and so we'll
get them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Good, I was like, oh yeah, so as a part of being like
I'm kind of responsible forthis, like seeing what's going
on, like anyway, so, um, uh, butyou know that run through, um,
some of the things, you know,other things we had happen was
one time, a couple times, wekilled the good guy, you know
right like um, because, becauseyou runam Because you run into

(01:23:15):
this situation.
You run into this room andthere's guns going off, there's
people all around and chaosgoing on.
And we did our role players,our guys.
People were screaming, somepeople were yelling, hollering.
We were playing heavy metalmusic on phones all around the
room.
It was pretty disorienting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
One of the dudes that we have on our team is an
actual cop.
Um was walking up behind uswith this phone and his
flashlight on.
Just be like.
I don't think you're doing thatright, just harassing do you?
Know what you're doing, do you?
He was just like, literallyjust trying to be like one of
the most pestering bystanders,not cooperating like the youtube
videos you see of people likeharass like just like name and

(01:23:53):
badge number.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Name and badge number dude's trying to like save
somebody's life and so, but youknow you run in there and
reality is other people carry,you know.
And so if you get in thesesituations where you know you
got to determine what's going onand we improved as we went on
that where it's like alright,we're not just going to just
blow everybody away, we're goingto approach this a little
differently.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I do think it was pretty realistic though, and
especially for a lot of thoseguys who I know are a little bit
less experienced in therehearsing and role-playing
concept and practice.
But I know for a lot of themthey were like, oh shit, I
totally just killed Mick andMick was playing himself.

(01:24:33):
Or like, oh, I totally justblasted pat and pat was actually
a good guy here in thissituation.
Um, and then, as like time wenton, they'll like the
enunciation and clarity was alot better, which I think I got
to a point where I think everyone of those guys now, when
they're sitting in service, areprobably mentally in a place

(01:24:54):
where they'll announcethemselves.
If something happened and weran in right, they'd be like oh
yeah, it's me, it's, it's rice,it's rice, don't shoot.
And be like, oh okay, you know,I mean, because then it's like,
honestly, the person who'sprobably most likely to respond
to that threat is one of uswho's not serving that sunday in
the auditorium yeah, while therest of us are kind of

(01:25:15):
patrolling around.
Yeah, because we're only we'refluxing in and out a lot of the
time, but that's also becausethere's usually, like I don't
know, 10 people each service whoare probably packing.
So it's like one of those thingsof like someone's in there
who's probably going to respondto the threat and there's other

(01:25:38):
areas of the church that are alittle bit more higher priority,
um, but it was cool to seeeveryone rehearse that entry and
positive identification as wellas, like people on the role
play side, getting anopportunity to rehearse the like
, self-positive identificationof like hey hey, it's me, it's
you know, your friend, theshooter's done we're good you
know um, but anyways, the onethat really shook, shook me and

(01:26:01):
I think you know what I'm gonnasay.
I think so was I involved in it,yeah, yeah the one that like
shook me about just like howzeroed in we can get.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Oh yeah, was pat and a couple and two other guys were
providing triage because atthis point we had the shooter
was down, shooter was gone andthere was only one guy left to
take care of yep and so he hadthree dudes trying to stuff his
wounds with cloth or not cloth,but like with gauze, as well as

(01:26:33):
um did he have any tourniquets?
That you guys had to put on.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
It was tourniquets and chest sealing there was
noodles there that were supposedto simulate his arms, and I
remember seeing a couple of guystrying to stuff the noodles Yep
, you know what I mean.
So, like pool noodles forpeople who don't know, pool
noodles are great because theygot a hole in them, so it kind

(01:26:56):
of functions as a channel in anarm or a leg and you get to
really pack it tight.
But anyways, the injuredindividual had a firearm on him
that no one noticed whilethey're like attending his
wounds For a few minutes, ohyeah, and he was being like a
little semi belligerent, whichis, like you know, just
uncooperative patient, you knowand he was like reaching his

(01:27:16):
hand up and grabbing for thewound packing or the chest seal
or the tourniquet every once ina while, and you guys were like
hey, buddy, hey, keep your handthere, keep your hand on your
chest, keep your hand.
Like giving him the good,friendly commands, like hey, I'm
trying to save your life, keepyour hand out of the way, right.
And I thought that was all greatand good until this guy goes
for his gun and his gun was onhis like three o'clock on his

(01:27:38):
right side he starts drawing itout of the holster and people
were like keep your hand still,keep your hand still.
And then I don't know whonoticed the gun first, but
someone was like gun, gun, gunand two pairs, sorry, three
pairs of hands were on the gut.
At one point, pat, you had onehand on the barrel of the gun,
another guy and I was pushing itinto his body.

(01:27:59):
So he couldn't pull it out.
You were pushing it against him.
But another guy grabbed the gunand started pulling on the like
grip of it away, and so thepatient who had just pulled his
gun out actually released it.
And it was just Pat and thisother guy trying to provide
triage.
Both of them focused on twodifferent parts of triage,

(01:28:21):
trying to secure the weapon,without realizing they were
pulling against each other, andso you guys were doing like a
tug of war back and forth.
And then what happened?
And then Pat thought, damn dude, this guy's really trying to
shoot us with his gun, likeI'm'm gonna stop him.
And so pat pulled his gun outand shot this dude in the chest,

(01:28:42):
killed him yeah, killed, killedthe patient.
And what was crazy was like endscenario was called, and still
you and the other guy weren'taware of what happened.
You guys still didn't knowbecause there's no other third
eyes to tell you.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I mean Yep, yeah.
Until we debriefed, I didn'tknow that's what had happened.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
And your expression when we were doing debrief,
trying to explain to you whatjust happened, you and that
other guy on the team weregobsmacked.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I still don't believe it's real in my.
Not that I don't trust you.
What I'm saying is in my memory.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Yeah, that's not what happened it was the most insane
thing I've ever seen in my life.
Like it would in a role playscenario.
I'm like this like we want.
I wanted to yell.
It was a car exit, bro.
I wanted to scream stop, stop.
Like you're fighting over thecat.
It was just like and I rememberty putting his hand on my
shoulder just like, let ithappen like let it play out,
let's see where this goes and Ismoked him dude, it was crazy,

(01:29:43):
it was unreal it was uh, not uh,yeah, that was uh, um, and yes,
it was from my perspective,because it's funny, it really is
.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Like my memory.
I have no memory of the otherguy's hand on it, just me and
the patient, and basically whatwe had gotten to was like the
training was if you see a gun onsomebody, you know, you just
kind of, hey, sir, you know, doyou mind if I see a weapon?
Do you mind if I remove thatfor you?
Keep us both safe?
And um, I saw the gun and thenI start.

(01:30:12):
It registers in my mind okay,gun.
And then I'm like, then I startin my mind, just like as I'm
starting to process, what do Isay?
oh, and I'm like as I'm supposedto say, sir, and he's reaching,
then he reaches, then he pullsit, he's pulling it out so then
I put, I did put a hand on it,push it into him and from my
perspective, the rest of thetime he is just fighting me and

(01:30:34):
fighting me and I don't think Itold him to drop the gun I don't
, I don't know, dude, I was so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
I was so in the moment everybody kind of like
tunnel vision did.
I took whatever they werefocused on.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
They saw, but they didn't see like the whole thing
and it's like, but yeah, so Iwas like I was just what I was
trying to do was push down so hecouldn't get it out.
Yeah, and then, um, and then,yeah, I did, uh, I had to draw
across my body and I actuallyhad a scrape for like a week on
my belly from getting my gun outbecause I was bent over forward
.
Yeah, and I ripped it out hardand just pinky jammed it contact

(01:31:08):
shot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
For those who don't know, I feel like we could do
this here with the lamette as anexample.
The patient had pulled the gunout like this and was leaning it
up towards Pat and Pat grabbedthe barrel and the other person
providing triage had reachedover like this and pushed the

(01:31:28):
patient's hand off.
And then Pat and this guy arezigzagging back across and the
patient's not even involvedanymore.
It was unreal.
It was probably the most insanething.
It is one of those things where, like you see that, you're like
wow, wasn't that crazy?
And then you're like holysmokes, like what else happens

(01:31:49):
in?
Like the?

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
moment.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Funny, but not funny.
Because, then you watch somebody cams and you see that
happen with police, where, likeone police officer is recovering
their weapon off the ground butbecause it looks like it's next
to the dude and people gethands mixed up, the other
officer's like gun, gun, gun anddraws and shoots the dude.
You know, I mean, it's justlike it's crazy stuff like that,

(01:32:10):
with like shadows and lightsand lots of noises and lots of
different things requiring yourfocus and it's.
It's actually super easy tomake that kind of mistake and I
and I think that's why also, noone was like dude, you idiot.
Like all of us watched it andall of us were like no one is
dumb here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Like this happened because it could happen to
literally anyone right in thatheat of the moment oh yeah, and
we had, uh, there was, like Isaid, we had one guy on a camera
phone recording like you know,like being like a guy who's like
pretending to record you.
We had a.
Our instructor was had hisstrobe, his like five billion
lumen strobe going on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
He was like am I helping?
Am I helping?
Do you guys need light?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
yeah, and so all these things going on and yeah,
like in my memory of whathappened, it was exactly not
what happened, you know so funny.
So it's uh definitelyeye-opening to see how that, how
those scenarios play out andthe um and and just so proving

(01:33:11):
too.
I'm like, uh, how you know andpeople know this, but how you
talk about eyewitness reportsbeing so skewed and non-viable,
you know, you ask two people,get two totally different
stories.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Yeah, I wouldn't have believed it, had someone said
it and I wasn't there, I wouldhave been like that didn't
happen yeah.
But all that said too, I can'tremember how many times I did it
, but at the end of the day, Ifound the scenario was very
valuable and that was just socool to see everyone post
scenario.
Like the behavior of the roombefore we did the scenarios was
like, wow, this is really cool,learn a lot, man.

(01:33:43):
That's some pretty gory imagery, but we did like we know.
We had everyone practice stuffand noodles and everyone was
like, wow, it actually would bepretty hard to pack a wound and
we had people practicingtourniquets on each other and be
like, wow, okay, so this thingneeds to be really, really tight
.
Yeah, way tighter than youthink it needs to be.
We were screaming and I hadbruises after.
Oh yeah, me too, dude yeah, um,and like the nice bruises, like

(01:34:06):
the green line around your leg,um, but uh, it was when the
scenarios happened where I sawit click for everybody you know
and and post scenarios.
We did the debrief and everyonewas just like dude, this was
the best training I've ever hadwhen it comes to medical stuff.
This is the most likeinformative stuff I've received
and I just thought that waspretty sick.

(01:34:26):
Uh, and it was really coolbecause that guy, that who did
our training tie, I know he hereally wanted to provide
something that was valuable toeverybody and I tried to let him
know like hey, there's no onehere who's like a tier one
operator, right, but I think hecame in still thinking like I
mean, I don't want to wastethese guys times and I feel,
like everyone walked awaythinking like dude, especially

(01:34:47):
for the cost of free 99.
This was amazing, yeah, um.
So anyways, all that said, uh,I do think training is the most
important thing when it comes toactually learning skills, and I
don't think training is readinga book.
I'll be honest, training is notfollowing a PowerPoint.
Training is putting your handson stuff, rehearsing, doing some

(01:35:10):
role play.
Live action.
Role play is the best thing youcan do.
Yep, seen, doing some role play, live action.
Role play is the best thing youcan do.
Yep, um, and so, all that said,I found that to be super
advantageous and it certainlychanged.
Like I said, you know, I amstill playing around with the
method for the daily carry forthese medical supplies on body.
Um, I think I might go for theboot ifAC, like the boot belt

(01:35:34):
IFAC.
It just seems like probably themost effective way to have it.
I got all my pant legs can goaround it.
It's easy to actually put thatin your boots.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Especially as we enter warm season, when you're
like you know, in the winter wegot you know vests and coats and
everything.
You're squared away.
But, yeah, as you enter intoyou know, you know warmer season
, getting all that stuff on you,yeah, and I think that and it's
not that much extra stuff tohave on you if you're already in

(01:36:03):
the game yeah, you know, it'slike and uh, back to where I was
talking about you know, like,kind of like, why we are putting
that tourniquet on top of mypistol before I put it in.
It's like like you know, um tospeak to what you carry, and
training would be you know, knowwhy you carry what you carry,
know how to use it.
You know, have a, have anunderstanding of it, um, and
then, if you're going to do it,you should take it all the way

(01:36:25):
to having, you know, having the,the, the gear and the stuff
that is going to um be helpfulin one of these situations, if
you find yourself in thatsituation.
And then finally, yeah, larpwith it, live action, role play,
run through scenarios, andbecause I'll tell you what, I've

(01:36:46):
spent a couple thousand hourswatching gun tubers and med
videos.
Yeah, I'll tell you what.
They barely helped.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Yeah, the scenario.
They didn't do a shitload forus.
I can't tell you how many hoursof CQB I watched and then when
we did our CQB training, I waslike this didn't fucking do shit
.
It didn't translate at all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Then that too, being like, if you want to be a guy
who rolls around strapped andcarries all this stuff, you know
, be a, be somebody who can useit and have the mindset to use
it, because you know the thesuper cliche, you know you, you
know you rise to the level ofyour training or whatever you
know there's um, you know it'sdefinitely overused phrase, but

(01:37:31):
I think it's true that beingsaid.
I think that um, that um justcause you you could carry, you
could roll up, looking like youknow Russell from up, you know
like you could have every pieceof gear in the book, um, but if
the tags are still on it andyou've never put your hands to
it and really understood how touse it, and try to use it in the

(01:37:51):
most real situation to make thesituations as real as you can
that's why we had poppers goingoff and and loud music and
people screaming and things andum, make make things as as
stressful and real as you can.
Then it's gonna actuallybenefit you so much more.
Um, and so the yeah, you gotta,because, as case in point of

(01:38:14):
the final story where you know Iblacked out and smoked the good
guy, you know it's like, youknow it's a, you got to, you got
to train up to it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Oh, dude, I think every single one of us again I
just want to reiterate, likeevery single person I know would
have done the same thing Right.
That was just.
It was unreal, like the way thedominoes fell on that.
It really was like watching atrain pile up.
I was like it won't stop.
It won't stop unless we dosomething.
Um, it was so funny anyways.

(01:38:47):
Uh, ken, thanks for joining andlistening.
We appreciate you, weappreciate your comments and we
appreciate you giving usfeedback and suggestions on what
to do, what you want to see,what you like don't like.
Um, so, thanks again so much.
We hope you're enjoying allthis.
Uh, you know, emergencypreparedness and training stuff
that we've been doing lately andposting.

(01:39:08):
Uh, please, please, continue totake it and, you know, apply it
to yourselves and improve uponit and become better prepared
individuals as well.
But with that, pat, you gotanything for us.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Till next time Ken.

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