The Mick & Pat Show - When Silhouettes Are All That Remain - The Mick & Pat Show

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
anyway.
So when I was working on thesuper safety, which uh, it's not
mine, it's you know, I don'tknow whose it is.
It was just in my garage, um,but I was working on super
safety and, uh, my buddy who washelping me with it was like,
yeah, what are you gonna have?
This just gonna be a range toyfun gun.
Yeah, what are you going tohave?
This is just going to be arange toy fun gun.

(00:22):
I was like, nah, dude, this isthe they're in the walls gun,
this is the.
You know, like Ruby Ridge, waco, stuff, like Billie Jean's,
either like dead and gone orI've already, like you know,
she's already been escorted outand the dog's out.
And then now it's like like,all right, I guess, if they're

(00:45):
coming in, like just fuckingfill the walls, swiss cheese,
you know.
Because I mean, like what else?
Like what else?
Yeah, this isn't gonna be myrecce gun.
I'm not taking this to do likeprecision 400 meter shots 400
shots 400 meter, yeah, 400 shots400 shots within one meter.

(01:07):
One meter but you know, it'salso, like you know, my flux,
after running the flux with alot of cqb stuff, that's
definitely the the platform, Ithink, for cqb engagements,
where you need to have likediscretion and you don't want to
worry about over penetration,um, and you also, like you know,

(01:31):
quote unquote, indiscretion.
I mean like, um, it's verycovert, right, it's very easy to
have that in a backpack and itdoesn't print like an ar,
whereas, like you know, 12.5 arwith the super safety.
That's not what I want in a CQBenvironment where there's a lot

(01:51):
of not bad guys.
So, you know, I think that'sprobably in my eyes.
That's my final stand.
You know what I mean Fun boygun, because I can't really see
a scenario where it's gettingused outside of that other than
to be like, hey, you guys wantto see something cool, yeah,
hold this trigger.
Hold this trigger whichscientifically moves forward and

(02:17):
resets every single time, butit's going to feel like you're
riding a motorcycle, it's goingto feel like there's a
motorcycle tailpipe between yourlegs yeah, um.
Anyways, if you don't understandanything, I was just talking
about welcome to the mick andpat show.
Uh, we're we're talking about alot of just uh, what do we?

(02:40):
What do we say?
We always say it here thezeitgeist.
We're talking about the stuffin the news and right now Mick's
just talking about how he Ienjoys working on guns and
hanging out having beers with abuddy while dremeling, and you

(03:02):
know.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Polishing.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, just making sure things work together,
cleaning it up, but I am alaw-abiding citizen who is a
good swimmer and is very safewith firearms, and I don't break
any laws when I'm working onthem.
So if anyone's thinking outthere that we're talking about
something that sounds illegal,it's actually not illegal.
It's all legal under federaland state law here.

(03:27):
Um, I'm a square.
I'm a square in that, thoughyou can have really fun getting
right up to the line yeah,that's what I've learned like
without like you don't need tobreak the law to have fun, but
it's most fun right there, rightat the line.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Getting up close to it, gazing over the edge.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, and for those of you who don't know what a
super safety is, I'll probablyhave a video on it here soon
coming out.
I have four episodes of MixedMiscellaneous edited oh nice.
And the only thing I need to dois decide the order in which I
want to release them.
Two of them are just spraypaint your gun episodes, with

(04:14):
talking about kind of uh, mostpopular topics on youtube,
essentially right.
Like I'm just looking at likewhat's the most common thing
video essay that people arewatching.
All right, I'll make a videoessay on that, with me spray
painting guns in the background,and then the other ones are me
shooting guns also video essays.

(04:35):
Nice, some of those videos aregoing to be like tutorials on,
uh, like basic stage practice,like how to get into competitive
shooting and how to likepractice on the range, but those
will be a lot shorter and a lotmore snippety.
These are kind of long form,turn it on and have something

(04:56):
play in the background contentas well, like a podcast video
essay stuff.
But yeah, anyways, I'll do oneon super safety too, because it
was a.
It was a total bitch to getworking.
It was insane.
Dude took a few iterations.
Yeah, I like was dremelingtotally ruined, like two dremel
bits and uh, a lot of.

(05:19):
Well, I just had to assemble anar lower too.
You just got.
I had to build out my new lowerto test this right.
Because you kind of want to havea dedicated lower for it.
It's not a quick swap, yeah,but anyway it's fun, it's good,
it's working.
I'm a happy camper.
Some other guys on the rangetoday who were there are also

(05:42):
happy campers because they gotto shoot it too.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
But you have to feel the freedom, yeah the uh.
How's your uh, your samuraipractice going?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'll be honest, I haven't done the uh stages
practice for the samurai one ina minute on the range.
I do it still.
Probably two times a week iswhen I'm practicing at home dry
fire because they're just mygo-to practice on the range.
I've been practicing so I don'tlook like a fud.
I've been practicing our uhpost certification drills.

(06:16):
I need to practice that alittle more because I don't want
to be the guy.
I'd be like hey, here's thestandard.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And then like fuck it up I've been thinking the same
thing myself.
Hey, I'm going tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I'm taking, I'm taking one of our guys, one of
our new guys on the securityteam to practice.
Oh nice the fly boy yeah, thatguy former fly boy former fly
boy.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh, oh, okay, right on, yeah nice that'll be good.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Which one's the?
Oh, the actual guy who fliesplanes.
Yeah, this guy is the formerfix planes that people are
flying.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, that'll be good.
Yeah, I need to.
Like I was saying before Istarted recording, I've not been
hitting it as regularly.
The life gets in the way of theactivities yeah I gotta get
back on the that.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't uh, yeah, I don't look like a, like a
goofball yeah, but you're also abusiness owner and you have
gone down three employees due toseasonal shifts.
Yep, they're coming back ishbut we're being replenished
they're being replenished, butit takes a while.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
And then when you're in the busy season, yep, it's
even busier can't just leavework for an hour in the middle
of the day and go shoot my gunanymore yep that was a nice,
nice amount of time.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
We'll get back to that I do think when you join
the range next year, it's gonnabe great for our friendship.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I need it.
It's I need to fix it again.
It's broke.
The spring popped off.
I fixed it once before.
Okay, right, uh, it's the uh.
Our big prop pistol is uh Ican't believe you broke this
it's not uh um how often?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
how many more times?
have you shot it than me.
You come in here and shoot itduring the week.
Oh yeah, you bastard, you bitch.
How dare you touch her when I'mnot around?
It's a big old prop, uh, lamantreballer, um, but uh, yeah, if
you join the range next year,well, in august, and uh, we get

(08:20):
to go to the range as much as wewant without paying more monies
.
It's gonna be great for ourfriendship.
It's gonna be brutal on ourwallets.
We get to go to the range asmuch as we want without paying
more monies it's going to begreat for our friendship.
It's going to be brutal on ourwallets.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
The ammunition, yeah and gas, the only thing that
keeps me from going more now isnot having people to go with.
Oh yeah, because you don't wantto just go by yourself and just
blow it, you want to do it andhang out.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I do like going by myself, but yeah, it is so much
more fun to go with someone elseand have like someone to
practice with.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
And work through stuff together.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, so I think I'm ready enough for that post cert
firearm.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, it won't be hard.
Honestly, here's the thing.
Here's it for people don't knowwhat we're talking about.
Post.
Post is like the acronym forthe Police Officer Standard
Training Academy, I think that'swhat it is.
Or Police Officer StateTraining Academy it's the state
standards in Colorado for policeofficer qualifications.
You go to POST Academy tobecome a police officer and part

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of that is you do a firearmsqualification.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Peace Officer Standards and Training.
That thing officer, and part ofthat is you do a firearms
qualification.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Peace officer standards and training that
thing, um, but it's uh, here'sthe thing, guys.
It's really not that hard andyou can look up what your
state's peace officer standardtraining is.
It's probably not going to becalled post everywhere, but if
you look it up and then you cansee what, like the expectation
of police are held to to pass afirearms qual, and then you
could go like practice that andeasily build up the same level

(09:49):
of competency that is entrustedin.
You know, state officers, localCounty officers, all that, um,
now, a lot of cops do that andthey don't do anything else.
And those are the cops who suckat shooting and get people hurt
and killed because they don'ttake it, they don't practice for
, you know, the worst day ontheir job.
But then there's also a lot ofcops who take it very seriously

(10:13):
and go above and beyond or aresuper squared away and freaking
tack drivers, um, and those arethe dudes who are prepared for
the worst day on the job.
Um, so I'm not saying you dothis, you're as good as a cop,
equivalent to a cop.
What I am saying is you do this, it's a good standard, it's a
good start yeah, it's a goodplace to start and then build

(10:34):
off of.
So once you're there and youpass it, you're like, okay, what
, what's next?
Honestly, I want to do likewhen you become a range member,
I want to record us at the rangeand I want to do every single
law enforcement agency likefederal agency oh yeah and state
agencies.
Firearms qualification exam seehow far up you can get yeah,

(10:55):
because I hear the hardest oneis the air marshals because of
like you have, it's like a lotof headshots I've heard that and
uh, the ogs, or like the,basically the contractors for
the cia those guys?
Can we get their standards?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
you can't get the standards of, but I bet we can.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
We can probably like I bet we could, I bet I can pull
some strings with some dod guysask like to get close, you know
.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
But I've heard that one's like.
I've heard guys who are likereally good go to that and then
they're like oh wow, this ishard yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Uh, I do have a couple guys who I know are like
I used to work with that areformer delta and I bet delta's
handgun shit is just as hard.
I don't know that, though, butI would bet I'll see if I can
get those quals.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
But I think it is similar to the reason why the US
Marshals is hard and I thinkthe reason why that CIA operator
contractor one is because it'susually for hostage type stuff
or very close environments whereit's other innocent people
around you, because if you're ina war zone you obviously got to
be like on it.

(12:07):
But there's typically like aline which is like that way is
bad, this way is good.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
You know versus like on a fucking plane.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, yeah, 30,000 feet in the air.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
And you got to make it count.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Speaking of which, I just painted my flux.
Yeah, what do you think aboutit?
Is it cool?
I think it is.
I think it depends on, like, Ithink it's cool, right, but I
think that you think it's gay.
No, I think I do.
I like it.
I think that it fits the mickand pat show vibe check.
Yeah, because it's um, it's gotsome retro looks to it, you
know I really wanted it to looklike.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It is.
Like you know it's coming offof the like 80s taco bell.
Styrofoam drink cup yeah,that's what it looks like yeah a
lot of pink, neon, neon, teal,turquoise, maybe Like Rhodesia

(13:07):
brushstroke, but 80s synth wave.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, I think it does look cool.
I think that if someone just Ithink that if you just posted it
online and just were like likea random Reddit page and then
just the comments would flow inof, just like I think you'd get
a lot of hate for it.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm going to fucking do it.
I'm not saying it's not cool,I'm going to do it.
I think it's the coolest thingin the world.
No, here's the real thing, man.
Like I just had a vision, likeI knew I wanted to do something
very synth wave, retro, and atfirst, I really was just going

(13:47):
to do that styrofoam cup design.
You know I'm talking about whereit's like just the z squiggly
line, yeah, and it's like tealon the white background, yep,
and I was gonna do that, butthen I was like that's too basic
.
I still wanted to have likesome kind of like pattern to it,
and so then I I saw thispattern online, this synth wave
camo brushstroke pattern, and Iwas like all right, and I stared

(14:11):
at it for hours trying tofigure out how it's late, how
its layers were done, you know,and like in the in the image and
then.
So I went out and color matchedeverything that I could with
spray paint and did it, and itwas a huge learning curve
because, like neon, paint is notgreat for when you apply a
clear coat over it.
It gets rid of the neon, likeall this, like darker stuff.

(14:35):
Here is where I realized I itwas good.
It was like bright like thisneon color and I clear coated
over it and it went like a dark,almost like pink purple color.
Oh, yeah yep, so I had toreapply the neon and stuff, but
anyways, I like it a lot.
I think it's bitchin, andhere's my thing.
Here's, here's the reason Ireally like it one.

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I didn't know this untilafterwards, but it's the same
colors as the trans ally flag.
Oh, yes which I think iscamouflage I think it's great
camouflage and I think, in caseI ever have, social camouflage
exactly.
if I ever have to use this, it'sgoing to get photographed and

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added to evidence.
They're gonna be like why'd youpaint this?
Do you think your gun is a toy?
I'm like no, but I am ally, solet that be said for the record.
That has no bearing on how Ijust shot this trans school
shooter, like clearly I'm notbiased.
Anyways, dark joke.

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But then the other thing isthat I do think it does disguise
it from looking like a gun likeI think if I pull this up and
like you're at 10 yards, it'snot gonna look like a gun.
it'll look like a gun.
If it goes bang bang, it'llsound like a gun, but I do think
it will buy me just anothersecond or two before a cop might

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pull the trigger and shoot meand give me that time to drop
the gun and be like whoa, whoa,I'm a good guy.
Gun is gone, gun is down on theground, don't shoot me.
You know what I mean?
And ultimately, that's like onething we realized and we talked
about in another episode ofours is like how easy it is to
be a good dude with a gun andget shot by other good dudes
with guns in the confusion, andI'd like this to prevent that

(16:25):
from happening.
Oh, but, excuse me, I love it.
There's a video of this thatwill be going up in another
Mixed Miscellaneous where peoplecould see everything I learned
in the process and the patternand style.
I really do like spray paintingguns.
I think I'm gonna spray paintall my guns.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
oh yeah, there's just something very satisfying about
it um, I think that's how youclaim it as your own.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, and it's like it protects from rust, and
there's practical things too,for sure like, like, even the,
the first gun I ever got.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
What a Marlin Lever Action 3030.
Did you spray paint that?
Well, no.
Okay, yeah, no, but what I diddo was I did take the wood off
and sand it down and restain itmyself, and also, before I
stained it, I just carved myname in the butt, the uh, butt

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of the grip, nice, of the handle.
So then when I stained over itand then it just, and then I
didn't really let it dry rightwell enough before I grabbed it
and actually held it, but thenit just looked really old now,
like looked all like there's aslight like wear.
Yeah, it's all worn where youhold it you know, and now I have
like used it a lot but so Ijust like, anyways, it's got

(17:45):
like it's, and now I have usedit a lot so I was just like,
anyways, it's cool when you have, I don't know, I hope someday
someone looks when I'm 80,someone has a gun in my family
and looks at the bottom of itand knows they see Pat on the
bottom and they're like, oh,that's sick.
You know, whatever, that washis.
This got etched in the bottomat the beginning of time.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Did you etch anything else other than Pat?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Do you wonder, like I did hear a story about how
someone inherited a gun fromtheir grandfather.
Oh yeah.
And scratched on like the likebottom of the revolver's frame
was like like something likejohn's n-word, like dealer.

(18:31):
Oh my god, it's like what thefuck like?
Holy shit you're.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You just got grandpa's heirloom and you find
out grandpa was a super racist,bad dude like good gosh, yeah no
, where you get or if it's got,you know well if you uh taking
some notches in it, you knowyeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I did think about doing that with all my guns
before I sell them, just puttingnotches in them, it's just so
that way, someone's like well,like if I, especially if I like,
sell it to a gun store, I'mlike, uh, what's the term where,
like you, put it up for sale inthe gun store, they get a
little consignment, because I'myeah if I do consignment.
Yeah, if you put notches on agun, it's gonna sell so fast.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I know I just the way I feel about notches is the
same way I feel about likegetting teardrop tattoos.
You better have done it youknow that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, that's a big dog just claiming it.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
You know it's a big, you better done it, oh yeah we
also brought.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
well, I brought um, which I didn't even think about
it, but look it kind of matchesmy.
It does match it all.
Right, if you want to know thepaint job of my gun, my flux,
look up blistering eternity bytrue.
That's ironic, I didn't expectit, but that is like one-to-one
color match.
This is an IPA, a new IPA byTrue.

(19:51):
I don't think they've had itcome out before seasonally and
we're not doing a review oranything crazy, but it's a
classic True IPA.
Troubadour Truth, rawr, northStar Pills, flaked Oats, 7%
alcohol, brewed in Wheat Ridge,colorado.
I don't know who was in WheatRidge, I guess I thought the
Denver taproom was also thebrewery.

(20:14):
But I've had one of thesealready.
Like a couple days ago Ithought it was a really good IPA
.
I can't remember if it has muchof a fruit flavor, but it's
pretty good and something toenjoy while we talk about
politics.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
The blistering eternity of politics.
The blistering eternity ofpolitics.
The question is is the rest ofeternity on this earth going to
be blistering due to the lack of?
You know?
Atmosphere and uh and when youwalk around you're like denzel

(20:54):
in book of eli, just just hopingto get some cat grease.
Just need some cat grease toput on your on your lips uh,
because you're.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's actually a phenomenal song by the postal
service do you know that songwe'll play it because I don't
think it'll get copyrighted atthis point all right let me pull
it up and I'll.
I'll pause my other music, butuh, do you know who the postal
service was?
a band um excuse me, um and uh.

(21:32):
The reason they're called thepostal service is because all
the band members were indifferent states during college,
okay, and they would recordtheir parts and their tracks and
their lines and then mail themall to the lead singer to mix.
And so they were called thepostal service, cause that's how
the band existed.
Yeah.
Um, but they have a quite a fewlike really great songs in my

(21:56):
opinion, um, and I think theyonly have technically two albums
before uh Ben, the lead singer,created or helped found uh
death cab for cutie which a lotof the members from the postal
service joined them in.
Okay, um, but I do believe thatsuch great heights if I, oh no,

(22:19):
we will become silhouettes.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Um, so I'll play.
Uh, I'll play this here for us.
Some great lyrics here as it'scoming.
But it's like a classic, Idon't know, cold War family

(22:43):
picture in this music video.
Right, you guys should justlook it up and watch the video.
But this whole song is about,like the nuclear apocalypse.
Hmm.

(23:03):
And I'm looking through theglass when the light bends at
the cracks, and I'm screaming atthe top of my lungs, pretending
the echoes belong to God.
So he's talking about being inthe bunker.
Right, he's alone in the bunker, having survived the apocalypse
.
He's pretending that the voicesare his friends and family from
before the bombs fell, when webecome Silhouettes, where our

(23:30):
bodies finally go.
You know, because Adam Bondsturned you to silhouette on
concrete, I'm going to keep onletting it play in the
background, but there's quite afew great lyrics in here and
it's like that weird optimistictone.
And then there's lines likewhen our bodies disassemble at a

(23:51):
molecular level.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
It does sound a little bit like Owl City.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Just shut your mouth.
Owl City cannot hold a candleto this band.
I mean like that light vibe.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
There's no emo wah-wah, whiny sound.
I think it sounds like it alittle bit.
Give me my beer back, I'm goinghome.
Give me my beer back, I do likeit.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Fix my toy revolver.
Give me my beer back, we couldrecord next week.
Oh man, dude, that's sooffensive to me that I hate owl
city.
Um, anyways, uh, they haveanother really good song that is
pretty good about, uh,essentially the uh, complacency

(24:40):
and potential like scheme ofclimate control.
Uh, as well, as, it's like thatsong, as well as the tangent of
like um, the jfk assassination,and that the jfk, the jfk
assassination, has so much likeconfusion and conspiracy around

(25:02):
it that what if the like truthis just that, a truth, a simple
truth?
Um, in the lines like, uh, youknow, um gosh I'm trying to
remember how it starts uh, um,he's like a man, uh, bored and
slightly confused, just alonewith something to prove, and he

(25:26):
became famous on that day inNovember I think it's like along
those lines, right when hepulled the trigger and sent
Bullet to sender and it was, andit's essentially like, just
like, how, like that is thatthing.
And then, like you know, the USgovernment tells us like, hey,
we should drive our cars lessand stuff like that.

(25:48):
Um, and we should feel goodabout, you know, the like little
bit of like pollution, um,preventative nature.
We do, he's like, but on theupside, even though that's not
doing anything, at least theweather's changed so much that
we can swim any day in Novemberand I'm like.
That's kind of a.
At least the weather's changedso much that we can swim any day
in November and I'm like that'skind of a neat lyric Right.

(26:08):
And.
I was.
Anyways, all of the songs arekind of like, uh, that like mid
two thousands, like uh,post-cold war, uh, reflection
songs, right they're.
They're all like reflectionsfrom like a gen, like a
millennial, old millennial, onlike hey, this is like the world

(26:29):
we're inheriting pretty much,and like you gotta have like
grim realism about like thepost-cold war environment, while
also like being able to makekind of like light jokes about
it.
Such as like very upbeatpositive song about the end of
the world in a nuclearapocalypse.
Upbeat positive song about JFKassassination and climate change

(26:50):
.
Anyways, sorry, I just you'retalking about.
We Got Out of.
This Tangent and that songreally reminds me of how I feel
about all of this going on.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, yeah, We've had the last.
Last week we've had a fewthings.
What's hit was kind of kickingoff with some of those.
The LA riots were lookingpretty, pretty wild.
You know a little bit.
And then we had the no KingsMarch in America, Then also then
the biggest, or you knowdefinitely most violent you know
what I tell you, man?

(27:22):
Glad we still don't have a kingit's crazy how effective that
was.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I don't think I've ever seen a protest as effective
as no kings march, because Iit's.
I can't find a king in americaanywhere.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It's super effective, like getting your covid booster
I really thought.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I really thought.
I thought that after the nokings march, maybe we wouldn't
have kings at a federal,nationwide level, but there'd
still be like little state kings.
Yeah, we don't.
There's not even the countyking.
It's.
It's pretty wild.
The only king I know is kingsupers.
Yeah, it's a local joke.
Uh, uh, but it was.

(28:00):
Uh, yeah, no, I agree it was.
It was kind of.
I was very actually I I don'talways do this, but when I do, I
try to make sure it's aspositive of a thing as possible.
But, uh, the internet's prettyliberal.
Reddit is super flaming liberaland basically as far left as

(28:20):
you could go before you startbreaking the law, and they
posted a bunch of stuff abouthow it was actually pretty
peaceful throughout Colorado'slocations of the no Kings
protests and I just took a timeto like comment on them.
Like, hey, even though I mightnot politically agree, it's

(28:41):
super cool to see a positive,peaceful protest.
Um, thank you for beingpeaceful, thank you for not
destroying people's property.
Uh, very happy that there arepolice present to you know react
if anything happened and thatthey didn't have to do anything.
They just got to stand aroundall day.
Uh, and I got like very, youknow, some people were like, oh,

(29:04):
you disagree politically,that's what they latched on to,
right?
But a lot of people were like,yeah, thanks for saying that.
It's cool to know like you guysappreciate our right to do this
without it being like having tobe contentious.
Um, I was very thankful.
I was expecting it to get wayworse in denver.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So very thankful that it didn't get that bad because,
since it was coming on theheels of the la riots, yeah,
which are, you know like thosewere the.
I mean I was texting you thatnight when I sat there, I sat on
youtube for three hours yeah,and then what?
You went to bed for an hour anda half yeah, I came into bed
for a short hour, was thatbefore I woke?

(29:45):
up to fly but I was so locked inso what was happening?
So I was just like scrollingyoutube shorts, whatever.
And then, I guess you know thesame happens.
All of a sudden it's like alive video is playing on my
youtube short.
So I'm like and it's like mostof the time, like when like a
live video pops up, it's likesome dude just like playing his
guitar, really bad.
Or it's like some like randomguy, like it's just like the
most like the YouTube live worldis very random and super weird,

(30:09):
super weird.
But this was all like.
This was something was actuallyhappening in this and it was a
guy was in LA filming, justwalking around filming the riots
and the sun was.
And it was a guy was uh in lafilming, uh, just walking around
filming the riots and the sunwas up.
It was like 7 pm when he wasthere and uh, there was what
caught my eye was it said live,but there was three cop cars uh,

(30:33):
beneath an overpass with about300 people surrounding the top
of the.
They were up on the overpasshucking stuff down at the cop
cars like bottles, traffic conesand big fireworks.
They're throwing big fireworksdown in the smoking.
So I start watching this.
It's just this young kid um,probably 19 year old kid and I

(30:55):
watched for three hours straightand there was really not much
of a dull moment for three hoursand during this, because as he
was running to like also all thepeople who were like on the
live he has a pretty smallchannel, like maybe a couple,
like maybe 20K subscribers orwhatever, but he had like 7, 000

(31:19):
people on live watching him andthey were people were
commenting in like where stuffwas happening and he would like
run over there and go check itout.
Um, so it was like livereporting from like whatever
people wanted to see.
He'd run and go show you and,um, I mean, there was uh, uh,
lines are starting to form andhe's there's, there's people

(31:40):
ripping, railing out of theground and building a barricade
as horse, as police officers onhorses and like and guys in
right gear marching forward, andhe's like right there next to
it.
And then people are throwingbig fireworks into the crowd,
into the crowd of policeofficers, but the horses are

(32:00):
scattering like it's kind ofmayhem.
There's I saw a lady get shotwith rubber bullets, like it was
all.
It was like all the highlightsof the riot were just in this
three hour kids video.
He even then at some pointsomebody who was against the
riots ran over a person in theroad.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I saw that one, yeah, was it a minivan.
Well, I saw the one where theminivan it was a van but that
van was an undercover, like FBIvan and they were shuttling
someone they had arrested.
Oh, this was, and like thisperson was like trying to stop
that van from moving and thatvan ran him over.
And then I did see a coupleother videos.

(32:43):
I don't know, they didn't, theyweren't when the day you sent
it to me.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
There's just a couple of ones coming up the last
couple days where people gotclipped and ran over by cars
because they were trying toblock them this was like a
random guy and he was in aintersection and he puts his he
like, he kind of like peoplewouldn't let him through, he
kind of bumped him and then hejust puts it in reverse and he's
just going doing reverse likedonuts and while he's reverse
donating on this live youtubestream, people are just hucking

(33:10):
stuff at the windows, blew outall the windows of this car.
After he, he, the person whogot quote unquote ran over.
They walked, they stood up andwalked away and ran after him.
But, um, I mean, it was crazy,they were, they were the I was.
I thought I was about to watchthe mob.
Get this guy really I mean andthey were blowing out all the
windows in his car.
He drove off and it just I waslike, oh, my goodness, like so,

(33:32):
and the fact that all that washappening on this one like uh,
whatever, youtube live stream.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I was like how many things are going on all over
what's weird, man, is that everytime you sent me that video
link, I would open it and Ithought it was boring as hell I
would just close it.
Yeah, but I think you know thereason I think that stuff is I'm
pretty desensitized because Iwatched the live streams from
within chaz oh yeah and that waslike watching people get shot

(34:01):
with real bullets.
That was watching people likebeat the shit out of each other
oh yeah, and the name of liberalunity right this is the
craziest thing and, uh, theamount.
I think it was something like 13people who got shot and killed
in chas.
It's wild yeah, in like the twoweeks it ran.
I will never forget, though,just like watching them plant

(34:24):
the garden, like our communitygarden and food center, and then
watching the homeless justcoming no, they stole it all.
Some homeless people came up andstole all the food and all this
and then, like, they went totwitter and they're like please,
any other volunteers come andhelp and supply us with food.
It's all been stolen and it'slike by our comrades?
No shit it's like you dumbasses, oh dude.

(34:47):
It was the funniest thing inthe world.
I felt bad for the people whodied, but at the same time I was
like you shouldn't have beenyou should have not been in
there.
You guys should not have justbeen like you guys.
The moment some dude came inand was a like self-proclaimed
rapper and also yourself-proclaimed governor yeah,
like dude.
A guy walked in I don't know, Ican't remember his name, but he

(35:08):
was like I'm in charge and likeeveryone was like okay like it
was like that's what peoplestarted dying.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
It was, it was like a faction of the walking dead it
was.
It's like it's also, guys,don't you realize?
The rest of America is justdoing its thing.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Everyone else is like I'm going to work.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
How are you going to exist in this street corner?

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, the Chaz Chop saga will always be like.
I swear they're trying to eraseit, because I've already talked
to people who don't remember it.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I'm like, how do you not remember it?
That was the most, that was theclosest thing to a real
insurrection we've had in thelast like five years, ten years,
oh yeah, like that was moreinsurrection than january 6th,
my opinion oh yeah, because itwas an established zone where
they were willing to kill policeand then they were killing

(36:00):
people in the zone.
I'm like, come on, like, let'sbe real.
Who died in the january six?
Shit call a spade a spade manwho died.
A couple cops who suicided.
One cop had a heart attack Iheard from from and like,
running he was.
He overexerted himself, whichhonestly not not surprising.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I've seen a lot of DC cops.
One girl got shot by the cops.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
And one woman was shot by Secret Service and
killed.
Which tragedy.
She should not have been shotand killed.
There was no one who was armedin the Capitol building.
There's no one who was armed inthe Capitol building.
I don't think there's anyreason to shoot and kill.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
And should they have stormed in there?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
No, but was it like a takeover?
No, but they were also invited.
You know, that's the crazything.
It's like they stormed up thestairs and then the Capitol
security was like okay, likecome on in and just go that way,
yeah, and I was just like whatthe fuck?
Anyway, I just see that and Isee videos of Chaz and I'm like
this was the craziest thing thathappened in my lifetime.

(36:59):
Probably was the Chaz chop zone, um, and then I guess I just
saw all this stuff in LA and Iwas just like waiting with
breath.
I'm like, yeah, but when?
When's Chaz 2?
When's Chaz chop 2?
And uh, I guess it's kind ofgetting close in Seattle, dude,
like the Seattle Portland area.
I've watched quite a few videosof the cops straight up running
away with like out maintainingformation oh my gosh and being

(37:24):
overwhelmed by a crowd, and I'mjust like damn, seattle and
Portland police suck, like theyare terrible at their jobs.
I always feel bad when I seethe Seattle police roll up on
bikes and they're like bikesuits.
They're like stop, do not cross, return your vehicles.
And like they're like slamming.
They're like stop, do not cross, return your vehicles.
And like they're like slammingtheir bikes on the ground I was
like dude, I, oh man, if I was arider, your ass be beat, bro.

(37:48):
Like you, you ain't stoppingnobody with your bicycle dog.
Yeah I, bike cops are the leastintimidating force and it's.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's gotta be scary, yeah, on that end of things,
mine it's literally like this.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Everything about me is based on balance.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
It's like 21 Jump Street in the scene where there
are bike cops in the beginning.
Yeah, in the park.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, they're just like such a joke.
They lose their mind when theyget like their first arrest.
Oh yeah, just kids dealingdrugs or something.
Yeah.
Anyways, all I said, I do thinkit's pretty crazy, I do think
it's sad the damage that wascaused and how awful the
treatment of people treatingtheir communities.
I do think, though, that thisis pretty impactful, because

(38:34):
this just made everybody, Ithink, who was like I don't know
, is it bad or good?
I'm not really pro peoplecoming here and taking advantage
of the system and, you know,not paying in to contribute to
America, and I definitely am notpro, like you know, bad people
who are criminals coming overhere illegally, but I don't know

(38:55):
if I really agree with likerounding them up and deporting
them, and this is like this isnot Mick's opinion, this is, you
know, I really agree with likerounding them up and deporting
them, and I'm and this is likethis is not Mick's opinion, this
is you know.
I'm just saying people indefense, people who are like I
didn't really like it when Obamadid it.
I don't really like it thatTrump's doing it.
You know people who are like inthat camp, I think they saw
this and they're like, well, getthem all out.
I think all of them are now onthe other side.

(39:18):
All of them are like yeah, getthem out.
Like so many people I saw who Inever thought and I'll say this
I'm not a proponent ofdeploying military to do
policing, so like I was not afan of the deployment of the
Marines and National Guard.
I understand why it happened andthe precedent for it.
I just still am one of thosepeople who think like the

(39:39):
military is not a good policingagency.
But, all that said, there was alot of people I know who were
very pro for it that I wouldhave never thought would have
ended up there.
People who are lifelongDemocrats would describe
themselves as liberal andthey're like, yeah, it's got to

(39:59):
get this under control.
These people.
These are clearly just like acriminal faction that needs to
go, like they have no care forour country, um, and I was like,
damn, yeah, that's crazy badbehavior.
Pushed them over.
Um, so all I said I thought itwas pretty fascinating.
Was there anything I don'trecall like deaths?

(40:23):
I don't think there was likeany reported like people died
right, like there was no copthat ended up getting killed
right In any of this from what Iunderstand and I don't remember
there being like any actualshootouts or anything like that
anywhere- Not like everythingthat I'm looking up.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
When I look up deaths of LA riots is the Rodney King
stuff you?
Know A lot of people diedduring that.
Yeah, 63 people died in thatand 2,000 were injured and
12,000 arrested.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I bet it was more than 63, bro.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I bet a lot of people justweren't found.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, yeah, but the um, yeah, yeah, I think so is it
was a relatively peacefulprotest in that sense?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
yeah, they just burned a few cars and threw some
explosives at cops and, youknow, ripped up stuff out of the
ground, but um, it's crazy thatstuff happens like that in la
and all that you never seepeople doing that shit in
florida, where the cops are likeI'll fucking kill you did.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
You see that one, yeah, yeah, it's always that
sheriff that says stuff.
He's like if you point a weaponat us, if you throw a brick at
us, we will be notifying yourfamily when to pick up your
remains.
It's like oh my gosh bro.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
And what he's told.
He's like all Floridian driversyou have permission to run
people over, even if it killsthem.
And I was like holy, basicallyjust deputized the fucking
county.
He's like y'all get to runbitches over deputized it's
crazy, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
And I do think with the, the mass deportation stuff
is going on.
What I do think is unfortunateabout the approach would be I do
think it's a quantitative, notqualitative approach, meaning
like and they are again ICE andstuff is targeting like known

(42:12):
like gang members and stuff too,but it's still like.
I do feel like probably at thetop.
It's like and it's been likeyou know, put out from Trump and
stuff too, like you know,talking about it as if being
like this is the largest inhistory of mankind.
This is going to be the biggest, you know and there is crazy,
because it's still like what?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
4 million behind Obama for his second admin.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Is that how many pulled out?
We'll have to look it up.
I really have no idea for him.
I second admin said how manypulled out.
Well, to look it up, I I Ireally have no idea for him.
Obama got eight million in hisfour years deported.
He just kind of was.
No one gave two, he just keptit, kept it cool and talked to
talk to his cool talk, and thatwas the craziest part about
trump's first admin is like hewas maintained.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
He was just keeping up with it uh-huh like his first
admin, he just maintained theborder policy.
Everyone was like he'sseparating parents from children
at the border, and trump waslike that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
That's just what we were doing.
That's obama's policy.
I showed up.
We're still doing that.
We're just doing what he's beendoing it was crazy how the
narrative changed for sure, andI think that, um, some of like
there's been, like there's ahandful of people who have been
like grabbed, who maybeshouldn't have been or whatever,
or like have made their caseslike have gotten really big, and
so people have latched on tothose, and I do think that I

(43:24):
still haven't found one.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
That was true.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
That's what I was about to say.
I don't think that like I thinkthey've been latched on to
quite a bit, but I do think ingeneral you do have to be
careful if you're going for justnumbers, not quality meaning
like I'd rather have like 50.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Venezuelans.
You'd rather have Jose and hisfamily, who are good people that
want to contribute to theircommunity.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Stay here and give some Venezuelan gang member,
whatever than like Muerto.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Blanco, who's got black teardrops on his eyes and
he doesn't work a job, right,right and he goes to jose and
extorts jose's day money exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
So I think that's where you got to be careful with
the going for the, the, thatthe the mass deport versus like
focused and I'm not running theshow, I don't know what they
aren't doing.
I'm sure there's a lot ofpeople are very like.
Uh, there are people out therewho are conscious of that.
But during his two terms inoffice, the obama administration

(44:28):
formally removed approximately3.1 million non-citizens from
the united states I'm.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I saw an eight million number somewhere, right,
but even still, I mean, that'sstill, that's still a lot,
that's still a trumpette now um,let's see, um, I'm looking it
up um, and the, how much has hedone?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
and so I think that also part of it being just like,
the approach matters too.
Like remember the I showed youthat and I mean I talked about
it on the show but the Instagramvideo I showed you it was the
ASMR video of like deportingillegals that was put out by
like the White House.
Did I show you that?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
That was not good optics.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, it's like guys like don't.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's not helping any of the cause here.
They say it's difficult toascertain.
On the old AI, I got anotherone here from NPR I think.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
No, not NPR Migration policy.
That's estimating around 5 mil,okay.
I think no, not NPR migrationpolicy.
That's like estimating aroundfive mil, okay.
So I don't know, I don't knowwhat the consensus and you know
what.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Maybe the numbers of deported versus illegal
immigrants deported is different, like maybe people were here
illegally and then got deportedbecause they broke the law right
, but uh, I do think, you know,in general, I don't think that
it's historically, it's not likewe've, we've, uh, this isn't,

(46:18):
it's not unheard of to not letpeople in your country who
aren't, who don't come throughthe legal channels, and that's,
that's not just American history, no, and that's current history
anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
So it's like, and you know, the craziest thing to me
was when I was in Norway yeah, Iwas working with some.
Uh, when I was in Norway yeah,I was working with some asylum
seekers in Norway.
Oh yeah.
And immigrants to Norway thatwere sent to Norway by the
European Union and stuff, mm-hmm, and they were telling me about
the classes in Norway.

(46:50):
And Norway says like you haveto assimilate in Norway to
Norwegian culture and if youfail the assimilation test they
will kick you out, which isinsane.
Like norway has classes formuslim men to re-educate them on
, like the standards oftreatment of women in norwegian
culture.
And if they don't agree andsign like the paperwork saying

(47:14):
like I understand how, like I'mexpected to treat women and all
that, they fail and they getdeported.
Yep, which I'm like, good bro,like if you were moving
somewhere for a better life.
You need to assimilate to thatculture.
Wherever you're coming from,that culture clearly has issues

(47:35):
that nation has has issuesYou're leaving Wherever you're
going.
The craziest thing is likehere's my biggest thing, right,
here's the way I view it,because people are like no, no,
but culture is important and allthat.
I'm like it is, it is, it isimportant, right.
But imagine I walk into Pat'shouse, I'm a guest in Pat's home
, I'm the guest in your home andwe're getting ready to do

(47:57):
dinner.
What's dinner?
Look like in the Pat householdwith little Pat, little Pat 2,
little Patricia and Mace Windu.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
On a good dinner night.
We've got some asparagus breadand some rare to medium rare
steaks, Some baked potatoes, andwe sit down and we also.
When we sit down, we praybefore we do it Nice, and then
we pass the food around and weeat.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, uh, now imagine that's happening.
And if Mace Windu or thechildren reached for that food
before I did, and I slapped themas a guest in your house, and
then you and you were like whoa,mick, what the fuck?
And I just like, oh, in myculture I get to eat first.

(48:46):
Yeah, children and women get toeat second, don't you agree,
man, we're men, we should getour helpings and eat first.
Right, like, like.
And then you'd be like okay,well, well, in my household I
beat your ass, my kids, you knowwhat I mean.
Yeah, like, that's, that's whatit'd be like and like I just
don't understand how thatdoesn't apply to immigrants of

(49:08):
any kind.
Like, if I'm an immigrant fromhere to Asia, guess what, I'm a
guest there.
I just really am, even if Idisagree with it.
I tell you what if Billie Jeanand I went to Middle Eastern

(49:28):
country and we were movingthrough other areas of the
Middle East that weren't, maybe,as quote unquote progressive,
she'd be covered up in that,khalifa dude.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Dude, is it Khalifa that?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
as in whiz.
Yeah, not khalifa uh, what isit?
Uh, kafia, yeah, damn, that wasthat would give me cancer um no
, uh, yeah the like, but likeshe would be covered up for sure
, and I'm just like yeah,because you know why we're in
someone else's home and theseare their expectations even
though, honey, you're abeautiful person and, yes, I get
how this is oppressive.

(50:04):
Do not talk to me unless Ispeak to you do we have to
follow that one?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
okay?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
you know what they're gonna do to me if they see you
chewing me out in public.
Okay, speaking of that, middleeast, israel and iran oh yeah,
it's getting uh now as uh.
We have a resident israeliexpert here.
You know politics of israel,pat.

(50:29):
What is?
What is your interpretation ofwhat's going on?
Because I, I, I here's what Iunderstand from someone who
knows no one in israel or anyonein iran.
Iran was, uh had access toenrich uranium to the level
needed uh for nuclear power,which is, to what I understand,

(50:54):
is like like 30x enrichment fromthe natural isotope of uranium.
You enrich it to 30x and thatis enough to do your nuclear
power.
They were enriching it like 60,80, 70x, which is what you need

(51:17):
to start making basic nuclearbombs.
And they were caught prettyred-handed with it from a third
party that was in Israel thatreviewed Because the way they
reviewed is they reviewed theradiation half-life.
They're reviewing the radiation, which the radiation is a
result of the uranium'shalf-life at uh.

(51:38):
Like they, they're reviewingtheir radiation, which the
radiation is a result of theuranium's half-life during
enrichment and they observe thatradiation in beakers and files
and test equipment that was usedfor enrichment.
And when they did that, they'relike oh yeah, shit, this is
some hot stuff.
This is the stuff that, like,you put in a bomb.
This is not what you use in anuclear power facility yeah,
yeah israel had that informationthen and used it to do the

(52:02):
preemptive strikes, which I'mgoing to say in quotes
preemptive because it wasn'tthat long ago.
Iran was dropping missiles onisrael during its interaction,
like during the war with hamas,um, and so it really has only
been like what?
Three months since Iran firedthose missiles, israel returned

(52:23):
fire and then it kind of stoppedfor a minute.
Now Israel was like, all right,we're doing a preemptive strike
to take out the nuclearfacilities, the nuclear
scientists that have the nuclearprogram, and Iran's like
leading military experts andleaders, uh, and we're doing
this because we have to, becauseif we don't, you know, then

(52:44):
well, iran's gonna have anuclear bomb and we're gonna get
nukes in the middle east.
Yep and uh.
A lot of people like that wasunfair.
Iran was like that was unfair.
Iran fired missiles back.
Iron dome did its thing.
Israel filed missiles back.
Iron Dome did its thing.
Israel filed missiles back,gave warning to the people of
Tehran way ahead of time.
Apparently, there's word on theground that the Iranian

(53:07):
military, as well as some of themore extremist Islamist groups
In Iran, are shooting peoplewhen they try to leave Tehran,
like they're in iran areshooting people when they try to
leave tehran like they're.
They're trying to keep themthere to be civilian casualties
to justify whatever they'replanning, which I've heard is
also what happens in gaza attimes with hamas they.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
They didn't allow people to yeah to flee.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
So all that said, uh, that's what I know of it.
And then last night, iran waslike they, they have a twitter
account, which I think is theworst idea to have.
If you're a radical likemilitary terrorist organization
is to have a twitter account.
It never paints you in a goodlight.
Yeah, uh, but uh, they're likethe world will be surprised by

(53:58):
what we're about to do.
It will be remembered for acentury.
I'm like.
I now want to see the nuclearbob.
Like that's a big talk, likeright, they're saying you gotta
back that up, dude.
That is this.
You know what you just did?
You just put a scratch in thegun, dude.
Yeah, you put the tear on andnow you need to freaking back it
up.
Yeah, I guess also, too, thethreat's gone valid enough that

(54:21):
today, trump released astatement saying that it's a
final warning and they have anattack plan in place.
So it seems like things areescalating.
All that said and done, what doyou know, pat?
What can you clarify?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
this is.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
This is all, all my rumor has it intelligence.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
No, a lot of that lines up.
A lot of people want to getinto the who did what first, and
that becomes a very big chickenand the egg type of thing and
then you got to go back,whatever.
But yeah, it's been heating upsince, uh, october 7th attacks

(54:59):
and uh but, and israel has beendoing those, has been doing some
strikes on iran, and what wassurprising was when, this time
that um, iran was sendingmissiles to Tel Aviv and into

(55:20):
Israel.
You know the Iron Dome andDavid's sling system.
That is Israel's main defensesystem for taking out.
You know, incoming fire reallyis like very successful against
Hamas rockets, you know, and arocket and a missile are way
different, so different yeah, um, and whereas you made in high

(55:44):
school exactly.
You didn't make a missile inhigh school, yeah, and so the um
gosh, one of the videos I didwatch a video of I meant to send
it to you.
It was a video of the um videoof.
I meant to send it to you as avideo of the was of a missile
hitting a refinery.
An Iranian missile hit arefinery in Israel and it's

(56:06):
crazy because you see like lotsof rockets and things are coming
in and the iron dome is justlike knocking stuff out of the
air and you can see it allhappening.
And then then from out of leftfield of camera, it's just that
was a good sound, I mean.
It's just like Everything elseis easy to see and it's just

(56:31):
Like just in a split second itjust rips through the atmosphere
down into there and it's likeoh, that's the difference of
like a explosive uh carrier.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Right, it's something that is carrying explosives
going a couple hundred miles anhour and a mach 10.
Yeah, something going fasterthan the speed of sound, going
in the neighborhood of over 600,faster than a passenger
airplane and going like 700, 800miles per hour, probably over

(57:09):
1,000 miles per hour and justlike cratering faster than you
can register it.
Yeah, I think I did see thatvideo.
That one was pretty nuts.
That one was.
I was like I had to look up andjust make sure it wasn't ai
right, because it seemed out ofa movie.
It seemed like cgi, like thatwas the closest thing I've seen

(57:29):
of it.
It looked like a movie.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
You're like, oh my god, and it, um, and so it was
pretty, it's, it's uh, so yeah,it's, stuff's getting turned up
and um, the Trump's like.
He just says stuff, man Likethis.
The one he was caught on was,uh, they're asking like so are

(57:52):
we like going to join in?
Is like America going to joinIsrael in the attack against
Iran?
Then Trump says I like to makea final decision one second
before.
You're like crazy.
You're like all right, bro,that's not helpful.
But also it's like that's kindof how he does his thing.
You always wonder with him whatsort of stuff is like, uh,

(58:16):
verbal politics tactics, andwhat stuff is just him just like
no, that's actually how herolls.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I will say it was.
I thought it was.
Here's the thing, man.
Like I think trump is a, he's aperson, and I think he's got
bad traits and good traits.
I'm not gonna defend him, right, like.
I don't feel like the presidentof the united states needs me
to defend them.
I'm not also gonna be a likefanboy bootlicker and be like
just some people worship the guy, right, right, I personally

(58:43):
like most of what he's doing.
I personally agree with most ofwhat he's doing, um, but I
agree, sometimes he says stuffthat's crazy out of left field.
The thing that I thought,though, was like the most badass
shit, when he was like yeah, weknow where the uh leader is, we
know he's in a bunker and hefeels very safe, uh, but we, we

(59:05):
could take him out any momentyeah this is just why we're
asking for peace and I'm justlike damn, like it's one thing
to know where the guy's at.
It's one thing to know where theguy's at and not tell him or he
not know you know where he's atyeah bro, it's another thing to
like.
It's like that classic meme fromlike did you ever play xbox

(59:25):
live?
Yeah, it's that classic meme.
Like you run your mouth andsend like a like are you banged?
Your mom last night message tosomeone on xbox live and they
just respond with likecoordinates, longitude, latitude
, and you're like oh, my god,you know.
And uh, I thought it was prettybig, I thought it was, I
thought it was, I thought it waspretty sick oh yeah, um, and

(59:47):
it's uh.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I was going through his tweets here, yeah, I mean.
And the other one, you knowwhere.
So he left the g7 summit earlyand he said um, and when he was
leaving it, he basically tweetedyou know, hey, tehran, you need
to evacuate.
And then um with uh.
And then, at the same time, hetweeted that china was ordering

(01:00:12):
their citizens in israel, likehey, it's time to leave Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I wonder how many Chinese are in Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I don't know, it can't be that many.
They're kind of everywhere, bro.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I feel like there's more in Russia.
Russia and China seem to begood buds For sure.
There's a lot here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
A lot of Chinese guys here.
There's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Chinese here.
I like the Chinese in America.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
And a lot of them I like.
Chinese Americans, yeah, butthere's a lot of Chinese
citizens like working at ourlike government facilities and
it was kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
That is kind of wild it's pretty wild how can you be
a citizen of China and have topsecret clearance that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
doesn't seem like that makes sense.
Sounds like we missed somethingup there.
But so so also they're orderingum, oh, there's a spot in, oh
uh, in Iran, that's their one oftheir nuclear facilities.
Like, uh, israel military islike, uh, hey, you guys need to

(01:01:12):
evacuate here.
And so everybody's tellingeverybody to evacuate everything
.
And I just don't know if maybeI missed it, but I don't
remember a time where, like,people have been saying this
back and forth, a lot of like,hey, you need to get out of here
, um, and then it's all beenbluffs you know, like, like, I
haven't like, maybe I've justmissed it, maybe I don't

(01:01:34):
remember.
I don't know if you canremember times of this, but I'm
just like like, all right, theseare escalations of like and it
means like we're about to dropsome serious stuff in here, like
it's just, it's happening,gotta leave, like.
So I don't know if it's just atit for tat, back and forth,

(01:01:54):
saber rattling or you know kindof jousting back and forth to
see you know who will retaliateor who will escalate, but it's
going to what typically happens,what we always see, especially
when people mess with IsraelIsraelis die a few of them, way

(01:02:17):
more other people die, israelisdie A few of them, way more
other people die, and then a lotof other people die, and it's
already happening in Tehran.
And then, at the same time, youcan never trust Al Jazeera's
numbers or throwing up oncitizens who've already died in
Tehran.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Al Jazeera is funded by Al Qaeda.
Isn't that fucking crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
It's pretty wild.
It's funny.
Over here we're worried aboutlike hey, is that like a
left-leaning or likeconservative?
You can see, al Jazeera receiveda donation from the official
org Al Qaeda, and so they havethe way that things are painted
in certain lights you never knowwhat's really happening.
But at the same time, I dothink Tehran's got hammered when

(01:03:03):
you know when those, whenIsrael retaliated from those
attacks in Tel Aviv and Ihonestly I don't know what we're
going to see over the nextcouple weeks.
I think the stock market wentup the last five days, yeah
because everyone's buyingRaytheon, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Everyone's buying Raytheon and Lockheed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Exactly.
I don't know if that's a sign,a good or bad sign, but my
cynical self would be like oh,tech companies and weapons
companies are like you know,it's just typically like I'll
say this Whenever other liketragedies or things strike or
any like, even if, like Elon orTrump tweets something mildly,

(01:03:50):
you know, kind of, that causesupheaval, stock market just
crashes the next day, just takesout takes out, you know, versus
like everybody else being likeevacuate.
We will not tolerate this.
Like the, the, you know iranian, like senate or whatever they
have, is they?
There was a video of them.
They just burned an americanflag in their like congress room

(01:04:10):
.
I don't know what, what theycall their thing, but like while
they all chant death to america, they're leaders.
Yeah, you know what we're notdoing over on the capitol hill,
burning iranian.
No, find me someone in americathat's been burning in.
Like while they all chant deathto America.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
they're leaders.
Yeah, you know what we're notdoing over on Capitol Hill
Burning an Iranian.
Find me someone in Americathat's been burning an Iranian
flag in the last like 10 years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
And a public official much less Like you know someone
.
Saying death to Iran, rightyeah.
Could you imagine, like what,how the reaction would be if we
had everybody chanting that,anyways, it's different, bro it
that?
Anyways, it's different, bro,it's different.
And what I think is interestingtoo is people don't want to
accept that it's a religious war.
Now, that is, people like get alittle like crusader around,

(01:04:48):
that's like, well, maybe it'snot a religious war for us, but
at least one side of this islike call a spade a spade man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Believe people when they tell you who they are.
I have met two iranianchristians.
I think they're the only iranianimmigrants I've ever met oh,
yeah, they were immigrants innorway and they told me never
ever trust an islamist, neverever trust someone who truly has

(01:05:16):
said they believe it isjustifiable to kill and wage war
simply because someone is not amuslim.
And I'm like, well, yeah, duhand like, but that's the thing
is.
Like, here we are today and 50of the country doesn't believe
them when they say it, right,you know what I mean.
And like, like it is bonkers tome.

(01:05:36):
I don't think that belief isreason for us to go over there
and get involved in the sandboxagain.
Right, I got Middle Eastfatigue, bro.
I'm worn out dog Yep.
That would be the next side ofthis, which would be what is our
obligation and or what'sAmerica's future in the area I'm
also part of me is like this isgoing to be unpopular too, and

(01:06:00):
I've said it many times.
I've not many, I've said itprobably like four or five times
before.
On this, I have no personalobligation to Israel.
I do feel like we shouldprovide aid to anyone who's in
need of humanitarian aid, likewhich I do believe we've seen
done, like the amount of moneywe've sent to israel and gaza

(01:06:20):
and stuff to help with thecrisis over there in the war.
Um is like I think that's goodwork, I think that's good stuff
and I imagine like there's goingto be us aid going to whatever
the fallout is for this in iran,which is just crazy you know,
that we would be giving them aidas they chant death to america,
but we do, and we've done it inthe past a ton, and I think

(01:06:42):
that's a good thing, like Ithink it's good to turn the
other cheek and offer aid.
Um, I have no interest, though,in our nation sending young men
and women to die in the sandboxagain for another country.
Uh, now, maybe the wmds arereal.
Maybe they're real this timeyeah, let's say that and so then
it's like a little bit more ofa justification be like yeah, we

(01:07:04):
can't, we can't have insaneradical religious warriors
having access to nukes to justnuke whoever they want.
Um, because honestly, that'sthe thing.
Right is like if you trulybelieve in that uh religious, uh
philosophy of it's justified bygod to kill these people by the

(01:07:26):
tens of millions and you willbe rewarded for it, then there
is no consequence for youraction, which, on the flip side
with christianity, like there'sno verse in scripture uh, old or
new, that is a like foreverstatement from god justifying

(01:07:47):
christians to murder.
Like there's none there thereis.
There is a few verses on likeself-defense and when it's
justified, um.
And then there were timesrecorded historically in old
testament where god said likehey, this city, wipe it out,
right, um, but there's noforever justification, uh, and

(01:08:12):
the old testament or newtestament, for, like christians
that being, or jews right forhaving the right to go and um,
just eradicate a people.
And that's the sketch thingabout islam, bro, is like in in
christianity and judaism I'llsay judaism in the context of
the torah, because the talmudsays a lot of weird stuff, but

(01:08:32):
uh, there's nothing that likemorally says it's a good thing
or that it'd even be rewarded.
And that's why I think like theconcept of doing something like
that is at odds with a lot ofpeople's, like religious morals,
christian morals, jewish morals, because you know, if you like,
if you did that, it would be atodds with, like what god says

(01:08:54):
those people are, which are hischildren, created in his image,
right versus islam, which sayslike they're.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
They're heathens and irredeemable, and it's actually
like my command to reward youfor waging a holy war on them,
and that's that's the hugedifference there are definitely
differences and as far as like,what america's future looks like
in that area, I don't know whatis gonna happen would you be

(01:09:29):
okay with it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
like what would you?
Would you be okay if it waslike all right, sending boots
back?
No, no yeah it'd be terrifyingbro.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
I could break that down a few ways.
One like what's the I mean fromhere?
We could hit a few buttons andsuppress them pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
So there's, like you know, like there's the.
Am I opposed to knocking outtheir nuclear facilities?
I don't know, I need to like,look into that more, like myself
.
It's like you know.
Does that mean that the powerthere?
Do they have a nuclear powergrid?
Does that mean, like, theirstarvation?
I don't know or like.
Is this actually?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
a place.
What are the consequences?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
yeah, there is this actually, like you know, like a
1980s movie, where the evilnuclear lair like, yeah, take it
out.
You know so.
But I think that the hard thingis also Israel has not ever
ceased their need for conquesteither.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
So that's the hard thing too, where it's like you
don't see peace in the East.
Yeah, and this gets back to wewere talking about Zionism
versus, you know, judaism orversus Islamists where you just
go like, like you know is, is itat a certain point?
Do you just have two sides of acoin?
Is it the same?
Is it the a certain point?
Do you just have two sides?

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
of a coin.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Is it the same?
Is it the same thing Once youget to the ultimate ends of both
things?
Right, and I do think there is?
I think Israel is typically ina responsive posture outside of
like a Palestine-Israelconversation.
Two, it's like neighboringcountries, israel is usually in

(01:11:18):
a responsive posture, and thenyou know, so there's, there's
that, and so I think that we'llsee, and also, you know
America's involvement with youknow it'd be the same way that
when, as we painfully left 2020,afghanistan it's like and you

(01:11:41):
know it's just another.
So just, you know, basically,no, I don't think we should be
having people, especially enmasse over there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Right.
So, like I'd say, send somesoft guys with some Israelis,
whatever, like, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Why even send them?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Just send some really nice you know drones, Just
because they want to get afterit a little bit.
But versus, like you know,spinning up the war machine With
the dogs Right, just like so,and I think it needs to be more
heavily considered it just italways feels like I don't know
of the wars we've gotten into,of like how heavily considered
it.
Just it always feels like Idon't know of the wars we've

(01:12:17):
gotten into, of like how heavilyconsidered is I could say in.
I see world war ii as andthere's actually arguments we
made that we shouldn't have beeninvolved with that, sure, but I
do see that one as one whereit's like fairly clear-cut, like
uh, had a, had a clear purposeand ending and a goal that's

(01:12:40):
achievable as well as like PearlHarbor, were attacked and drug
into it further, and so then,and those were two different
wars in their own ways, but,like you could see, okay, like,
yeah, that was a good idea.
But ever since then you lookback and it's just like all
right, like where's the like,the real justification for
getting involved in theseconflicts that have nothing to

(01:13:01):
do with, um, our?
You know us.
And at the same time, though,you do like, now that we do live
in such a global uh, uh,globalization has come to nearly
fruition, you know, we aren'tall on the same currency and are
the same stuff but at the sametime.
It's like it is so intermingledwhere it is like okay, if you

(01:13:22):
don't go fight communism backpast a border or this country,
then how much is it going tocome through?
I don't know, but the uh Iagree with that, you know.
So it is hard to say, like youknow, that it's not worth it to
whatever a Korea or whatever,but at the same time, when

(01:13:45):
you're just doing these massbloodbaths with nothing to show
for, it's like if we're going togo to war, we just better get a
lot more land and resources,and I don't know, just some old
style, Just some old style riskor whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
You know you just go over.
You mean like the board game,yeah, you know, you just go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
You go to the next country over, take it over, take
their stuff, grow your empire.
I'm not saying I'm for that,I'm just saying like we don't
see that anymore Right Like wesee it.
I think we see it.
I think, like the next timewe'll see it as chinese economic
takeover, and that's where it'shard to go now.
Is it is fighting these littlelittle proxy wars and these

(01:14:24):
little things.
Is that the same thing like?
Is that really?
Is it actually adding like hugeprotection, that we didn't
realize how important it was foryou know, uh, the donbass
region to not be under Russia'scontrol, or whatever?
You know these, like theselittle things, yeah and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
No, I mean there's nothing you said that I disagree
with either.
Um, I was just kind of lookingstuff up to try to see like I
mean, like devil's advocate kindof points, but like I really I
don't have any that I reallythink are worth it.
I think the biggest thing isthat when we, you know, talk
about the impact that this couldpotentially have on us, you

(01:15:10):
know it, it does look to me likeit seems like there was
something Putin said about theUS involvement.
He like tweeted it, which Ialso hate, this trend of our
leaders tweeting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
I know, can you guys just pick up that phone you have
in the Oval Office again andlike talk?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Quit measuring dicks and just like, yeah, hit the
phone, um, but uh, you know,it's one of those things where I
see this and I'm just like doesthis really really feel like
the catalyst potential to beworld war three?
And if I'm being honest, Iwould say it doesn't quite feel

(01:15:49):
that way.
I feel like I feel like israelis pushed a little too
aggressively and that the us is.
I think the us would sooner getinvolved in another

(01:16:10):
quote-unquote like ukraine,russia thing.
Quote unquote like Ukraine,russia.
Thing than a like Israel eternalwar in the Middle East for
peace.
Right, this is where the bordershave been crossed and things
like that and I just genuinelythink that Netanyahu, too, has
really burnt bridges with Trumpbefore.

(01:16:30):
Netanyahu has really said somethings that I think made Trump
feel like insulted, and I dothink Trump has also heard the
criticism of Netanyahu as aleader and that there might be a
better leader in Israel.
Mm-hmm, and I do think that,like in a super war situation

(01:16:53):
that he you know Trump may justbe like we're not going to get
our people involved in amilitary way, but we'll get
involved in trying to get thisover as quick as possible and
protect innocents and get themout way, and if there's a change
of leadership, then theconversation might begin again.

(01:17:16):
And I just I don't know, I havenothing.
I'm betting against the fate ofthe world, right, like whatever
direction it's going to go down, but I still I just don't get
the vibe right now that this isWorld War III.
It feels too personal betweenthe two nations and I.

(01:17:40):
I truly think we need somethinglike israel crippling iran and
then china straight up justfiring missiles from china at
israel, and then it'd be like,okay, all right, what the fuck
is going on?
You know, I mean um and we're.
I just don't see that happening.
Yeah, um, now, don't worry, wedon't have to get into this

(01:18:02):
episode, but the whole chinesetaiwan situation, I think, is
way more likely to be a worldwar iii catalyst because of how
fragile our uh chain of supplyof semiconductors and all that
is coming out of taiwan and howcrucial taiwan is to the free
world, and so I see that asbeing way more of a sensitive

(01:18:22):
kind of world war three itemthan this conflict.
But, um, one thing I was doing,though and again this isn't like
to justify anything, this isjust interesting history, right,
I was watching videos on why.
There's a guy who made a wholedocumentary about why no one is
accepting refugees from gaza,how no one's accepting

(01:18:43):
palestinians, and it turns outlike the reason that other
muslim countries aren't doing itis because of the history of
palestinians.
Like palestinians, as a likepeople, have the same kind of
stigma that you would assign tolike gypsies oh, throughout the,
throughout the middle east anduh, I didn't know this, but it

(01:19:04):
was it was palestinian refugeesin.
Uh, was it?
Was it saudi arabia I believeit was Saudi Arabia or it was in
Kuwait that essentially likehelped smuggle in the invasion
of Iraq into Kuwait, and likethey were the ones that just

(01:19:25):
like helped them smuggle, likethe roads in, and it was
Palestinian refugees that Kuwaithad taken in, that then turned
on Kuwait to work with Iraq tosmuggle stuff in, and that was
like just one.
That was one example, but likethere's a bunch of different
examples through history of likehow, uh, and it's again like
it's not probably allpalestinians right for sure it's

(01:19:47):
not, but there's enough thingsthat have happened with this
people group after they wereaccepted into another country,
where they then betrayed thatcountry in a like self-seeking
manner of like oh, we'll helpthis next regime change happen
and then the palestinians willhave a higher uh level of
authority and ranking in likethe caste system of islam in

(01:20:10):
this government and that's why,like egypt, don't take them.
Like egypt has straight upreferenced that invasion in
kuwait as like, why would wewant to do that?
We don't want them to open thegates to egypt and I was just
like I was confused when I firstheard that I was like open the
gates to egypt.
That's got to be metaphorical.
They literally just mean likeopening the fucking gates to

(01:20:31):
like an invading army to getthrough Egypt's border wall,
which I was like I wasgobsmacked by.
I was like I did not know thehistory of this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah, it's like they have those things are like those
things have happened andbasically there is a.
They have become a very shadow,like, like almost homeless

(01:21:00):
culture, and especially asthey've been occupied by israel
now, it's like.
It's like, uh, really nowhere togo and or and or if they want
to maintain their cultural orcultural history or things like
that too, like if they all justleave, then they'll just kind of
bleed into these other places.

(01:21:21):
And so, yeah, it's definitely ait is a very sticky situation
because there are, you know,lots of places that don't the
bordering like Arab countriesdon't accept them or bring them
in, that don't the borderinglike arab countries don't accept
them or bring them in, and sothen it's also kind of like I
don't know, uh, for the for allthe like, all the talk of like

(01:21:45):
death to israel, yeah, and likeall.
That's like a little bit ofhypocrisy, I think.
Oh, it's not just a little bitit's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
You know it's a lot of hypocrisy, right, but it's
also I get like it's.
The hypocrisy is coming fromtheir justification of like oh,
fool me once, shame on, shame onyou.
Fool me twice, shame on meRight.
Um which I don't know whatpeople freaking expect.
Like we're talking about, likeyou know, a lot of like uh

(01:22:16):
societies and um, what's theterm uh for?
A lot of intersectionality ofsociety and religion and
ethnicity and history and allthat intersecting, and it's
intersecting in a culture thathas still very much medieval,

(01:22:38):
almost third world caste systemsand like beliefs of you know,
there's still belief that, likeyou are the way you are because
of the color of your skin in alot of those countries you are
the way you are because of theyou know.
Your tribe, your tribe yeah,like your.
Your genetic history rightyou're in.

(01:23:00):
There's a lack of understandingthat like, oh, you could be
different because you're comingfrom a different cultural, even
though you quote unquote,identify as like arabic or
whatever.
Right um.
Mm-hmm and I'm like, yeah, thatmakes sense, dude, we're not
talking about a culture that hasthe concept of like.

(01:23:20):
Oh yeah, anyone can be anyonelike they want to be.
You choose who you want to be.
If you want to be the lyingbackstabbing gypsy, you can be
that.
If you want to be not that andjust be like a normal person
looking for a home and a life tolike, establish your little
falafel shop, you can be thatperson too and like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
I think that's a very western worldview or even, yeah
, even like to be like becauseof as americans too, like we
really are, like, oh yeah, youcould come here and then you can
be an american.
Yeah, you can't go to egypt andbe an egyptian.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
You'll never be in a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
You'll never be an american egyptian right, yeah,
you'll always be an american inegypt right, yeah, like you
don't go become an egyptian.
No, because that's not, it'snot in you.
Yeah, and, and they're notwrong as far as like in the
sense of yeah, I mean they'renot incorrect in that like.
Yeah, this is like we're fromhere, we like this is like,

(01:24:20):
because the concept of likeyou're, you know, becoming like
to be American, it's kind of newin the sense of just being like
, oh like, all right, you're inthe club now.
Yeah, it's like no, like this,like if you're what Pashtun,
well, that kind of like.
Yeah, because we've been livingin these mountains for a damn
long time, yeah, you know, yeah,and I get the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
You can justify it because of the cultural history
and reinforcement.
But that's what I'm saying islike people are scratching their
their heads, saying like whyaren't they doing anything?
They're Muslim and they'reMuslim.
And like they're clearly beingoppressed by, like you know, the
Jewish state and they want theJewish state to die.

(01:25:04):
Why not welcome these peoplefrom the Jewish state?
And it's like, well, becausethey're Palestinian and they'll
always be Palestinian and we cannever trust a Palestinian in
our country.
You know, there was like aninterview I saw and someone like
it was they're interviewingsomeone in Egypt.
I think it was just randompeople.
I don't think it was like anyelected officials or anything.

(01:25:24):
But there's this guy who lookedlike a businessman.
He's like the only thing worsethan an Israeli Jew in Egypt is
a Palestinianlim and it was likefuck, damn, like that's a.
That's some heat coming from alike egyptian.
You know what I mean?
Not that egypt, I don'tremember.
Has egypt yeah, egypt's gone towar with israel?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
yeah, yeah, um back in the day not recently, but
yeah, um, anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
All that said, it's a delicate situation that is, I
think, in no way shape or peaceour responsibility, and I say
that in my limited 30-ish yearsof life experience.
I don't have anything other tojustify that opinion other than

(01:26:12):
my young wife and what I caninterpret from what I'm seeing
now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Yeah, and we'll just see where, which is weird to
just kind of sit by and we'llsee what people decide and then
what happens you know, yeah, ohmy goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I will say though I like I do still fantasize about
the uh like invasion of americafrom a modern warfare 2 campaign
perspective right, you know, Imean, and I'm just like that, if
that shit happens, then thenit's our problem, right.
But I'm almost at the pointwhere I'm so war exhausted, so

(01:26:57):
conflict exhausted, that I'mlike are they in DC, are they in
, you know, freaking gunshipsover DC?
Right Are Russians and Cubansparachuting down behind the high
school.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Red Dawn style.
Right no.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Hey, then let's just work on our own shit.
Here, man, we got stuff we gotto sort out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Yep, we can go corn and pump oil.
Yeah, here exactly and makestuff yeah, we need to anyways I
just have a few less crappyplastic items from timu.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Yeah you know we could use less mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yep, um, have you seen?
I don't know if it's real ornot.
Hoping it's not.
I'm sure it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
But this video that anonymous just put out that is,
there is no such thing as a babymade of plastic water bottles,
pat.
Okay, but that's not a realvideo.
Have you seen the commercialmade by a like?
Someone made it with ai and itwas like it's about how people
drink like plastic and water andthen this dude and his wife

(01:28:05):
have a baby and it's made out ofwater bottles.
Oh yeah, grows up to be a manin like business and then, like
tries to take out the board johnwick style oh yeah, I haven't
seen that it's pretty impressivethat it's all made in ai.
Yeah, boomers are reacting to iton facebook like oh my god I'm
like, like as if it happenedthis can't be real.

(01:28:26):
Like I don't know if they thinkit's a movie or like if they
think it's a possibility, yeah,but like some of the reactions
are insane.
You know what I mean and Iguess you know what If I was
around before there was recordedmedia, yeah.
Maybe I'd think it was real too.
Yeah.
Anyways, the stuff about thewhat, what you say.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
The anonymous.
It's anonymous video came outTotally irrelevant.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
I hate anonymous.
They are such a cock tease.
I remember when I graduatedhigh school they were like we're
going to dismantle the systemand they didn't, and so I just
think they're gay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
This one was coming out about saying something along
the lines of a false flagattack is coming in America.
You know, that's what we're allsaying.
All of us are saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Clearly, if I was a Mossad agent and I was like damn
.
We're about to get our asseswhooped by Iran and Iran's
buddies.
I'd be trying to figure out howto get some Iranians who will
do the most wildest shit intothe US, yep, and that's so.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Have you seen this video?
No, because that's what.
That's basically what they'resaying it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
You know what that also is.
That's the plot of the likefourth season of Homeland.
Oh yeah, you know what I meanAll sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
yeah, they're basically saying they are
alluding to, like you know bealluding to Israel and stuff
here.
Anyways, when I say if it'sreal or not, not meaning if it's
going to happen or not, it'sjust I can never figure out with
anonymous, like who's in chargeof this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
I did hear there's so much of guys like if you have a
garage and a V for Vendettamask, then can you just now
you're in the club, you can justsay stuff it used to be one of
those things where you used tolike have to meet up with
someone in like a public place,where then they would like give
you something to like vet you,and then you'd record yourself
and provide the information orwhatever, and then they'd let

(01:30:28):
you know if you were in this iswhat I this is what I was told
when I was like going in chatrooms when I was in high school
Like damn, I want to join theseguys.
Right, I didn't want to jointhem because I was like a
freaking communist or anything,I just was like this is sick.
This is the cool movie stuffwhere we take over Times Square,
right, and broadcast on all theTVs, right, we hacked the

(01:30:50):
system and we're allmillionaires, while also giving
money to the poor.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Yeah, and so I was reading the chat rooms and
people were just talking abouthow they had attempted to join
Anonymous and given resumes andthey met with someone in person
where they were asked questionson a park bench and shit, and
then they were like informedlike you were not allowed in.
Like they were informed likeyou're not in, you didn't pass,
mm-hmm.
However, pat, look like you'renot, like you're not, it, you

(01:31:21):
didn't pass.
However, pat, look into my eyes.
I know someone who works in thedod who claims to have been a
part of anonymous at one point.
Wow, and they said a bunch ofthem got cherry picked by all
the agencies, specifically nsa.
nsa came in, was like yourmotherfuckers work for us now or
you're going to prison forever,especially the best ones yeah
and so, uh, they apparently allare there now and whatever is

(01:31:45):
left over is like chumps, likenot even dudes who were in at
the time, dude, it was like thewhole anonymous agency got
cannibalized by the fed andwhatever exists now is just
people putting on and pretendingand maybe they're organized
right and it's one organization,but it's not what the OGs were.
There's no OG leadership with adirective and a goal.

(01:32:07):
That was there before.
Now that's the claim of one guysaying he was in and did it and
it was fun and he said somethings that was pretty credible,
like what he worked on andstuff, but I don't know if it's
the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Um, I will say, the false flag thing does make me
think a lot about nine 11.
Did you know there's a certainthing we can't talk about on
this podcast at all?
Otherwise we would probably getdelisted.
It's about the building numberthat comes after 6 but before 8.
We can't talk about thatactually.

(01:32:45):
You're not allowed to.
It's actually AI moderated thatif we talk about building after
6, before 8 on 9-11, we get inhuge trouble.
That's ridiculous.
Uh, there's a really good videoon youtube by flesh simulator.
He just does a lot of edgy likeconspiracy videos about all the

(01:33:07):
conspiracy around buildingafter six, before eight and uh,
it's a very, very well presented, thorough, source, cited video.
Um, this episode's gone toolong.
I don't want to play becauseit'll take.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
It'll take too long to play in that process, but
let's watch it, but how does heget to put that up and we can't
talk about because he doesn'ttalk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Okay he, he doesn't talk about it, okay, he just
okay, he talks around it, butthere's a lot of people who have
tried to talk about it and thentheir YouTube channel gets
canceled and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Their family disappears.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
No, not like that, they just like their channel
gets deleted or the Instagramgets deleted right.
But how about you and I watchit and then we can decide if we
want to talk about it later on?
I do really want to haveanother conspiracy episode.
It's been like a year and ahalf since we had a dedicated
conspiracies episode.
Anyways, we talked about a lotof stuff, a lot of catch-up

(01:34:04):
stuff.
Oh yeah, a lot of catch-upstuff.
Man, the world's crazy, myworld's on fire.
How about yours?
This way.
I like it.
I never get bored.
Thanks for listening, ken.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I really don't care if youagree with Pat or I on anything,

(01:34:25):
but I really do care about youenjoying the experience.
I really do care about youenjoying it, feeling like you
get out of this show listeningand engaging.
I hope if you disagree with us,you let us know we would.
We're always open to learningand hearing other perspectives,
um, but we don't put the show onin hopes that, like everybody

(01:34:47):
just nods their heads.
Uh, we hope that it encouragescritical thinking and you ask
yourself this own stuff.
You know your own opinions andyou process it.
Don't be an npc.
Have your own thoughts, be yourown person.
Uh, have good arguments for itand present those so that way
you socialize and engage indialogue with uh one another.
Uh, peacefully peacefuldialogue, uh.

(01:35:09):
All that said, pat, you gotanything for us.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Just till next time.

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