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The night goes quiet when the snow starts to fall—until the trees begin to crack. We open with the 2003 Colorado blizzard that sealed doors and turned roofs into playgrounds, then jump to the eerie 2021 freeze where waterlogged branches snapped like glass and crushed cars in the street. There’s levity too. A quick, honest take on Predator: Badlands—surprisingly fun, PG-13 cleverness, some iffy CGI—and a running birthday gag.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (01:37):
You hear the ambient snowstorm?
I do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40):
Is it peaceful?

SPEAKER_04 (01:41):
It's fitting.
We finally had ourselves asnowstorm.
Alright.
This is one of the later ones.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
Later what?

SPEAKER_04 (01:51):
Snow s like first real snow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
Yeah, but it's supposed to be a bag big one.
Supposed to be uh Nina, likeheavy, heavy snow this year.
That's what the farmer's almanacsays.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
Those come in like those like late February, March
ones.
Yeah.
The like final angry one beforeApril.
Because it was it was 2021.
When we had that last big one.

SPEAKER_03 (02:21):
It broke everything, all the trees and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (02:23):
And we had it was that one was one of the biggest
ones in like the last 15 years.
It was like the here it was wasit 30 inches here?
I know in Cheyenne it was 42inches in Cheyenne, because I
had an employee who lived thereand he couldn't get to work for
four days.

SPEAKER_03 (02:45):
Where were you in the year uh of our Lord 2000?
Actually it would have been2003.

SPEAKER_04 (02:54):
I had just moved to Colorado Springs.
Oh, so did you I had I got thebig one.
You got the big one.

SPEAKER_03 (03:00):
That was the that was awesome.
That was the best childhoodmemories of like winter I've
ever had in my life.

SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
Oh yeah.
My dad was just out thereshoveling for hours, and we were
digging snow caves, and it wasit was great.

SPEAKER_03 (03:15):
Yeah, I was I was down in like South Denver area
at the time for that one.
And I remember my mom comingdownstairs telling me, like, all
right, let's say a prayer forsome snow because it's supposed
to snow heavy enough that youknow you might not have to go to
school tomorrow.

(03:35):
It was a Sunday, it was theSunday before spring break.
Like the week, the next weekwould be spring break.
And so I was like, yeah, that'dbe cool.
Snow day.
And then I have to go to schoolone less day this week before
spring break, that'd be great.
And then we woke up and like thedoors were sealed.

(03:55):
Yeah, it was five feet where wewere in Denver.

SPEAKER_04 (03:59):
It was drifting up in spots like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
Dude, yeah, it was it was to the point where like
because we had a single storyhouse with a basement, and so it
was a low-sitting house too.
Like it was not a very tallsingle story.
Um and so the snow went all theway up past the gutters from
like how how far the roof slopeddown on the sides.

(04:22):
And so that was that was prettycool because I could just like
we should shut the roof.
Yeah, we shoveled out stairsbasically and then climbed up
those onto the roof.
My grandfather worked forChannel 4 News, and they were
stuck down at Channel 4 for liketwo days.
Oh man.
And they had to walk across thesnow that had built up in

(04:43):
Denver.
Um it was funny, like, becauselike the they couldn't get out
the front door, so they like hadto again shovel upstairs so they
could climb up onto the streetand then walk across, you know,
the four or five feet of snow onthe street to the Mexican
restaurant, and they had calledand they were like, Hey, is
anyone there?

(05:04):
And they're like, Yeah, we'resnowed in.
They're like, if we walk over,can you make food?
And he was like, Oh yeah, forsure.
And so they walked over to theMexican restaurant across the
street and like climbed downinto the Mexican restaurant and
ate food there.
And like, I just think it wascrazy because like in my head, I
thought that was uh that waslike the movie of uh the day

(05:25):
after tomorrow, you know?
Uh-huh.
Snowstorm just annihilates likemost of the most of the northern
hemisphere.
And I just remember thinking, Iwas like, oh, this is it.
This is this is the thing theytell talk about in school.
This is the global warming.
Yeah.
And then it was like a weeklater, all of it was gone.
Compl classic Colorado, all fivefeet, melted away.

(05:47):
And then it was a week of springbreak, and it was baller.
I loved it.
I had two weeks off of school.

SPEAKER_04 (05:52):
Because I had just come here from Texas.
And my I'm glad you experiencedthat.
It was awesome because that waslike once in a century.
It was, it was it was so crazy.
And my my parents had gottenwith my one of my best friends
from Texas and flown him uphere.

(06:13):
Oh nice.
Until he got here, and then thatstorm hit.
So they surpr I remember too,they surprised me at school,
like getting out of school, likehe was there with my parents,
and I was like, they surprisedme.
I was like, what the heck?
Hunter's here.
And then we uh went home, thenit snowed like crazy.
And yeah, we just and thenbecause he was standing up with
us for all spring break, and itwas so fun to have that wild

(06:34):
storm.

SPEAKER_03 (06:34):
So was that so it was the week of your spring
break on the springs, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (06:38):
Yeah, yeah.
So we uh it was probably like aweek earlier than yours because
we had basically we went rightin the spring.
That was the way they all were,but it was different counties.
We just I just remember making tsnow tunnels.

SPEAKER_03 (06:49):
Yeah, dude, that was good.
That was we did snow tunnels uhtrying to get across the street
to our neighbor's house.
Um, my neighbor across thestreet was my babysitter, but
she was also like really cooltomboy in high school, was
teaching me like how to skateball uh skateboard and like you
know play baseball and stuff.

(07:10):
I I in my head I remember herbeing like very conventionally
pretty, but she was so tomboythat like I also remember her
just kind of being more like avery cool older brother almost.
You know what I mean?
Yeah and she was the single shewas the only daughter of like a

(07:31):
war vet dude and stuff, so likeshe he had pretty much just
raised her to be like very, youknow, independent.
Um but anyways, so we were like,oh yeah, let's go, let's get
across the street and see likewhat they're doing if they want
to hang out.
This was like two days of usshoveling, trying to navigate
these tunnels and like poppingup periscope-wise, and then
giving feedback to one anotherto try to get across.

(07:53):
This is my stepbrother and I.
And uh, I'm like, all right, I'mjust gonna try to sled across.
And so I like go to the top andI sit on one of those like
circle sleds, and I startpulling it across on the snow
with my hands.
And I'm like, I remember seeingthe van, our van that is parked
on the street.

(08:13):
It was like a big camper van.
So it had like, you know, Icould see just through the uh
tops of the windows, thecurtains of the back of it, and
the ladder going on to the top.
And that's how I knew I was likeat the street.
And I don't know why.
I don't know if it was the heat,the like stored energy of the

(08:35):
heat and pavement, or if it waslike the sewer system and stuff,
but when I hit the street, Ifell through the snow.
Oh no, like a like less than afoot of it, like it was snow on
top of water.
And I went into like theslushiest, wettest snow.

(08:57):
Like it was it, I felt like Iwas very wet.
Oh, it felt like I was in water,like liquid water, right?
And so I like remember going andflaying my hands around and
finding the sled and likeholding onto it, and I couldn't
pull myself back up because itkept on sinking into the slush
with me.
It was like quicksand snow.
Yeah, and so I found the like Ikept on like struggling to get
over and grabbed a hold of theladder to the van.

(09:19):
I climbed on top of the van.
And I was like, what the hell?
And I was looking and like itkind of didn't move super
liquidly, like, but the snow,the way it packed down on it
again on the slush, it justlooked like it wasn't there at
all.
There was like, yeah, there's noway to tell.
And I was like, oh my god.
And uh my my stepbrother, we'lljust call him V.

(09:40):
I was like, V's about to hitthat, and so like I started like
heavy foot stepping off the vanback into our yard and going
back to the tunnel entrance.
I started crawling through, andI was like, V, stop, stop, it's
all water, and like I rememberhe's like, What do you mean?
And I get there, like, don't digany further, it's gonna, it's
water.
And he's like, No, dude, it'ssnow, look, it's right, it's

(10:02):
snow.
He like hand scooping with likea beach shovel, you know what I
mean?
Like a little like sand castleshovel, scoops the snow away,
and it just like starts spillingout, like vomiting, this dirty,
wet, slush snow, splashes pasthim, starts like flooding him in
the face, and I'm like, Oh, wegotta get out of here.
So he turns around, we startcrawling out of the tunnels as

(10:23):
they're filling up with waterand just like collapsing behind
us.
And when we got out, it was itlooked pretty cool because you
could see the tunnel system, howit collapsed from the slush from
the street just spilling intoit, right?
But that was like in my brain,did you ever see that movie
Ants?
That's what it was.
Oh, yeah.
It was like when they hit thelike the pond or whatever, or

(10:43):
the sprinkler system whilethey're at the ants are digging
and the whole all the anttunnels flood.
In my brain, I was like, we'regonna drown down here's like the
movie Ant.
But it was such a good time,dude.
It was that was easily like oneof the most amazing, magical
because I also was just like,whenever we were done, we were
just watching home recordedvideo VHS tapes.

SPEAKER_00 (11:05):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
So it was like everything we had recorded on
VHS from like over the years, soit was like I had Dinotopia.
That was a great one.
Dinotopia, that was a good oneto watch.
It was like so long as a kidthat it couldn't keep my
attention, but like it was greatto put on and then play with my
dinosaur toys while I wasplaying.
Watched uh I'm trying toremember, um, we VHS recorded

(11:27):
Oh, we VHS recorded the um uhBatman movie with um Oh, you got
his name in my head right there.
I know, but I got both theirnames.
Um Birdman.
Birdman.
Actor who played Batman.
He was a great Batman.
Um then the guy who played theJoker was um Jack Nicholson.

(11:52):
That one was almost like ahorror movie to me as a kid.
Like, because Jack Nicholson wasso scary in it.

SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (11:59):
It was very scary in that movie.
Yeah.
Um Yeah, those are those aregreat, that was a great time.
Did you guys did you and yourbuddy do anything crazy?
Like anything like borderlinedangerous because of the weight
of the snow and like how muchthere was.

SPEAKER_04 (12:17):
I mean, just the also being from Texas, it was
just like the the sheer amountof snow was just incredible.
Can't comprehend it.
And just and being in what'scrazy about when you do make a
snow tunnel, when it doescollapse in, you are kind of
stuck in there.
People that's how people die.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
And like that's how people die in avalanches.

SPEAKER_04 (12:37):
Or like the next day when you come into your snow
tunnel, and it's got smaller.
It's like because it shrinking,it's collapsing.
Yeah.
Have you ever slept in a snowcave?

SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
No, never.

SPEAKER_04 (12:48):
It's uh I've done it before and it's it's pretty
wild.

SPEAKER_03 (12:52):
We uh I would I mean I get the concept and I think
it'd be cool.
But I'm also just like it's notreally realistic in Colorado,
you know, like but you'd have togo into them hills to really do
it.
And I think like if you were todo it, it'd make more sense like
further north into like Wyomingsomewhere where they get, you

(13:13):
know, we we just don't get thesame amount of snow drift
because we have so much to breakit up.

SPEAKER_04 (13:18):
Yeah, yeah, you definitely have to go up in the
mountains for it.
But the um we went to this spotthat had these like 15-foot-tall
drifts.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (13:28):
And uh we we hiked in there and dug into it, and uh
it is it's like probably I betit was like dried drifts, like
packed dry ice borderline.

SPEAKER_04 (13:39):
Yeah, it was it was it they were pretty packed, and
it was we worked up a sweat makeit.
What the crazy thing aboutdigging a snow cave is how much
you can get yourself in troubleis one, you work up a sweat
digging it.
And so if you don't fin if youdon't like unlayer while you do
it and or get it done in time,like you're just gonna be you're
gonna be freezing cold.

(14:00):
And so we where we were, it wasthe it was starting to get uh
towards the end of the day, likewe weren't quite done with it
yet.
Me and my cousin were justgetting sweaty.
It was like, man, we gottafinish this thing up.
And then a cross-country skiercame in there, and really we had
hiked in where there's reallygonna be nobody back there, but
there is a trail through there,and a cross-country skier came
and he was coming, and he cameover to us.
We're like, hey, hey, wait,wait, because he was coming over

(14:21):
the drift where our cave was,and we're like, Oh, wait, hey,
could you stop right there?
Like, don't go forward at all.
Because we just built a snowcave just beneath where where
your where your skis are.
He's like, Oh, okay, and likehe's talking to us for a second,
and like our plan is we hadhiked like it was a mile or two
from the car, and we were gonnasleep in there that night, and

(14:41):
it's like the sun's starting togo down, and this guy's coming
over, and after we get donetalking with him, we're like,
hey, but like just reminder,like, there's a snow cave right
in front of you if you could goaround, and he was just like,
Yeah, okay, and goes straightover it.
And it was like thinking aboutit, I was like, I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt, likemaybe he just completely did not
understand what we were talkingabout.

(15:03):
Yeah, or but then also hethought it was closer, or maybe
he's just a like he's a roadbiker of the snow, yeah, just a
D-bag.
All skiers, yeah.
Just well, just thecross-country skiers, you know,
whatever his deal was.
But then I realized I was like,if he had collapsed that, it was
starting to get cold enough andwindy enough, and we were

(16:54):
soaking wet from working, I waslike, we could be all of a
sudden in a really big pickle.
Like, it's time to hike back tothe car quickly before we
freeze.
But we we crawled in there andwe got in, and we'd actually
we'd built it with um twoshelves to sleep on, and we dug
in some like little tiny uh uhlittle alcoves around it, and

(17:17):
taken our ice axe and weconnected a hole down, or we did
about five holes around theedges, and we put candles in
there, survival candles in thereand lit them, like an eight-hour
candle, and then lit them.
And um first with an ice cave,you you get it real, you get it,
you light a fire in there, getit hot, and then or you light
candles, get it hot, and thentake them out, and then you let

(17:38):
it freeze and it forms like anice barrier.
But then, and then when youlight those candles, one you
gotta have the scary thing aboutsnow cave is yeah, you gotta be
careful like expending too muchenergy to make one.
If you're in a real strugglesituation, it's like you spend a
lot of calories, two, you gottaventilate it.
So like those holes are superimportant because you can um
just die from using up all youroxygen, having no oxygen in your

(18:02):
cave.
Um, and then but then two islike if it collapses, it's like
most of the night I was likekind of waking up like, is it
getting closer?
Is it gonna because we had thissnow cave, we had about at the
peak of it, we probably had fiveto six feet of snow on top of
us.
And I was like, That's a lotmore than you need.

(18:23):
It's more than you need, butit's so but it's also like
that's a lot of if that thingfalls, we're gonna be in a
pickle.

SPEAKER_03 (18:30):
Yeah.
That's what I mean.
Like, that's why like there'slike a rule or something about I
remember reading it for likewhen you're making your own
igloo, essentially, like aboutlike how much weight you should
have on the top third orsomething like that.
There was somewhere ratio.
I'm sure someone can look it up.

SPEAKER_04 (18:49):
But it was so quiet and warm in there.
Oh yeah.
And then when I woke up in themorning, I opened up our little
makeshift door and the wind waswhipping like uh 50, 60, 70 mile
an hour winds.
Whoa.
Which makes sense why the snowdrifts were there in this area
because of how windy it is.
But in the cave, dead silent.

(19:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Which also, if it collapses onyou, your screams will also be
dead silent.
Yeah.
So you gotta be careful.
But um, it's a pretty funexperience to go go sleep in old
snow cave.
So, but yes, but my my uhimagination or my uh wonderment
about you know making snowtunnels started that day back in

(19:34):
the 2003 spring break, justbeing like digging a cave and
going in.
It was pretty fun.

SPEAKER_03 (19:39):
You ever been able to do more?
Well, I guess yeah, that was onethat was a snow cave you did
because you said you guys drovein there.
Because I just don't thinkthere's ever been a weather like
a snowstorm big enough for us todo anything similar to that.
Not in town.
You gotta go under the booniesout on the sticks.

SPEAKER_04 (19:55):
And we did build one once.
This is the it's a you if youpile the snow and then dig it
out, man, that's a hard dig.
Oh yeah.
Because it's so compact.
But we have done that once.

SPEAKER_03 (20:07):
But that one also is like if you do it, you know,
when you don't have enough snow,just looks ugly.
Yeah.
Because you just got grasspoking up through where you
removed it all, and then you gotlike this weird, abominable pile
of snow.
Um, okay, but that one in 2021,21, 2021, um, I remember that

(20:28):
one because it had been so cold.
It was so cold that like no onewas expecting the that snow.
It was like well, well, wellbelow zero.
And um, I remember I woke upbecause I heard while it was
snowing that night, the likecracking popping of the trees

(20:50):
because it is so quiet.
It was you you know, when it'ssnowing like that, it's so
silent and it's a dampener.
And so then when you hearsomething as loud as like a tree
limb snapping or splitting fromthe weight, it's pretty loud.
And I heard it and I wake up andit's like 2 30 a.m.
I think it was actually likethree, and I get up and I go

(21:13):
outside and I hear this limbsnap and crash into a car.
And I'm looking around ourstreet to see like which one
just had like a limb fall in it,and I start hearing all the
other limbs kind of snapping andcracking, right?
Like they weren't breakingentirely yet.
So I go and I woke my roommatesup like, guys, we need to move
all of our cars away from thetrees.

SPEAKER_00 (21:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
And like while we were going out there to get our
cars and move them, limbs werelike snapping and falling down
onto other cars.
And this is the crazy thing,too.
It was so cold that a ton ofcars, I like I think their
batteries were dead becausetheir alarms weren't going off
after the trees fell on them.
And uh, or fell through thewindows, right?

(21:56):
And it was it was one of thosethings that was pretty crazy
because I remember my roommateuh call him Jay, and he was
moving his car, his car did nothave four-wheel drive when we
were having to push his car toget it started to get like out
from the snow, um, packed aroundit and get it enough traction on
the street.
And as we were doing that, wehad just pushed him and he's

(22:18):
kind of curving around to a spotwhere there's no tree limbs
hanging over, not big ones, likeif they broke, they wouldn't
break his car.
And as we were like steppingback on the sidewalk and kind of
directing him, probably like 30seconds after we had moved, the
tree right above his caressentially, you know, split
down the middle and like justcrushed into the street where
like he would have been.

(22:38):
And it was such a it was likethat was like the last week of
spring.
The other one back in like 2003,that snowstorm was like
beginning of spring.
So that was like first week ofMarch.
This one came after like all thetrees had gone real rubbery and
already were blooming and theirleaves were in full bloom.

(22:59):
And so like they were full ofjust liquid, and when that
freezing temperature came in,they started like.
Actually, like freezingthemselves, like in the interior
of the limbs and stuff wasfreezing because they were so
wet.
And then the snow came and thatjust made them brittle.
And they were snapping andbreaking like glass.

(23:20):
I remember that was like theweirdest thing.
The way they were like breakingand falling off was super
strange.
Um, but the sounds were crazy,dude.
And I remember we like we'relike, whose car just got crushed
because we heard the glassshatter and like walked down the
street and we found this limbgoing through this car's like
sunroof into the like you knowback of it.

(23:42):
And uh I was shocked.
I was like, all right guys, weshould go back inside.
It's pretty cold.
And I didn't realize, but likein pushing the cars and stuff
like that, I had cut my handsup.
Oh, right.
It was so cold that like yourskin like felt like tissue y.
And the blood, I didn't know mymy hands didn't sting from
cutting them, pushing on thebumpers and stuff, but they were

(24:04):
so sticky, and that's how Inoticed they were bleeding.
Because I was like, what is thatweird, like tacky stickiness?
Because your blood was freezing.
And I looked at my hands andthey were just covered in like
icy sparkly blood.
And my buddy's hands too,because you know, just we were
both pushing on the same carbumpers.
And that was like, I was like,maybe we should get inside.
Like it was if it's that cold,like you're actually at risk of

(24:26):
like getting a frostbite prettyquick.
But it was magic, I mean it wasvery beautiful, but it was very
eerie looking around, andeverything was perfectly still
and there's no sound, andbecause of how cold in like the
time of night it was, there's noone out, but everything was
glowing from the reflection oflike the lights and stuff off
the fresh heavy snow.

(24:47):
And it was like you'd hearsomething snap and fall, you'd
turn around and there'd be nomovement, but all of a sudden
there'd just be an extra branch,and it was it was very creepy,
it kind of felt like the treeswere attacking you almost, you
know.

SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
It was crazy, and you know it's a big storm when a
road grader gets stuck.
Yeah, like there was like it wasjust like stuck on side of like
things like that, just couldn'tmove.
And I was I was kicking myselfat that storm because oh
literally four weeks before, I'dalmost pulled the trigger on
putting a plow on my truck andgetting contracted, and I was

(25:20):
like, man, it's gonna just likeit's just like two, too much
money, like it was like fivegrand for this whole setup that
I don't want, and I was like, Ididn't do it, and I was like, I
would have paid that off in oneday.
Oh yeah, just going around,yeah, just backdraging people's
driveways, whatever, but um, andthat storm was crazy.
I shoveled out the shop here,and I just got done shoveling

(25:44):
out the shop, came inside, andthen all the snow off the roof
fell off, and then I opened thegarage door and it was the white
wall.
Yeah, five feet tall.
Yeah, but this was the avalanchesnow, so it was and it was like
I was like, oh my god.
It would have killed you, dude.
It filling you.
That's true.
I was glad I wasn't out there,but it would have squished me a
bit.
I was like, oh, time to startshoveling.

(26:06):
We shoveled so much because atthat time I had about 40 VRBO
properties that I was in chargeof maintenance on.
Oh, really?
And we were shoveling our buttsoff, dude.
Oh my gosh, we were justshoveling forever.

SPEAKER_03 (26:19):
Dude, that is a that is a one thing too that is such
a young man's job.
Yeah, like shoveling snow in themiddle of the night, like no one
realizes how insane that isuntil you do it for like eight
hours.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Yep, yep.
And if you're an old man doingit, you've made some poor life
decisions.
Do you remember that the one ofthe craziest that was a crazy
amount of snow, but the crazieststorm I think I've seen here was
the bomb cyclone in 2019.
It was March in uh early March2019, and it dumped like 10

(26:58):
inches of snow in like no joke,like like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean I was here for it.
I guess I just don't rememberit.

SPEAKER_04 (27:07):
It was the only reason I remember the reason I
remember those because I was amaintenance man.
Similarly, I had a bunch ofproperties that we had been out
shoveling and taking care of,and it or or we were just not
doing maintenance, but then allof a sudden this like it was
like all hell broke loosebecause we had typically when
snow snowstorm happens, you yougo out at night and you shovel
all the properties and themorning starts and then
everybody's stuff's clear.

(27:28):
Yeah.
But these were all commercialproperties, and like everybody's
calling, like, where's the snowremoval guys?
But it was like it was we weredriving down the road and it
went from just like kind of alittle bit of a cloudy day to
literally white out condition.
Yeah.
Similar to the trees break, thisone had broke a lot of trees

(27:49):
too, and a one at one of theproperties, one of those
200-year-old cottonwoods.
Oh, yeah, like can't wrap yourarms around big, fell just
across like five cars and likejust flattened them.
And I'm and I was I I've beenout and I was taking pictures of
all these things and showing myboss because he was like, Hey,
could you get out there andclean some snow up and clean
some branches up?
Hey, could you get out there anddo your job?

(28:10):
Yeah, hey, can you clean thesnow up and clean the branches
up?
And I was like, I texted himthese pictures of like the war
zone, and he was like, uh justkind of do it.
Don't die.
Yeah, it was kind of like, well,put some ice melt on the
injuries, get out of there.
I was like, Yeah, dude, this iscrazy.

SPEAKER_03 (28:27):
Um, I think I do remember that one because uh um
that was the time when I wasworking uh at the jail where I
had just left the jail.
Uh yeah, I think I actually hadjust stopped working at the
jail.
It's hard to it's hard to keeptrack of.
But anyway, oh no, no, no, no.
No, it was.
I was I I was working at thejail.

(28:49):
But yeah, it was that was astressful time, dude.
That was uh that was definitelya stressful time because I
remember just how many treeswere broken on my drive to work
and how many cars were in townjust spun out.
It's like everyone woke up thenext morning and was like, oh, I
guess I'll still go to work.
And it was like, hey, bud, likeif like it, if it, if the

(29:13):
streets aren't plowed yet andit's still white out, like you
can you could call your boss andbe like, I'm gonna be late.
I guarantee you your boss isgonna be late.
You know what I mean?
But I that was a crazy because Ihad to go, you know, law
enforcement, you just have togo.
Yeah, like there's just not achoice.
So, and I remember going andjust seeing how many cars are
spinning.

(29:33):
It was crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (29:34):
And okay, look at this picture though, real quick.
This is the bomb cyclone fromthe um Oh yeah.
It's literally a hurricane snowacross the whole country, but
look at where Fort Collins is.

SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (29:48):
Right in there.
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (29:53):
Yeah, that was a crazy time.
Um last night though, dude, Iwas driving home from the movie
theaters.
Oh yeah.
Um, and I was uh driving northon the highway, right, and I see
the snow plows, and like if youlive in any like town or any
city, not city, I guess, if youlive in a state that has like a

(30:16):
dedicated snowplow service forthe highways and stuff, you
often see them getting rolledout, and sometimes you're like,
Really?
They're rolling them outalready?
Like, there's nothing.
And there had been flurries forseveral hours, but nothing
sticking, dude.
And in one mile, it went fromflurries and nothing sticking to
complete white out, and Icouldn't see the highway

(30:39):
anymore.
And I got like ran off thehighway by a semi that didn't
know where the road was.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, dude, he like he wascoming up behind me so fast, and
I was like, dude, I I can't seeanything.
I couldn't see exit signs.
Like that's it, that's howthat's how blacked out it was
from the snow.
And uh, I remember going slowenough, and he was coming up

(31:02):
pretty quick and went to I thinktrying to pass me, and I s I
noticed the semi itself startingto tilt because he was going off
the highway on the easement, andthen he came back and kind of
corrected.
But he corrected too sharp, so Ihad to break, and I just got
over until I felt it wasn't likethe snow didn't wasn't so thick

(31:22):
that like on the it didn't fillup or stack up, I guess, on the
pavement enough that youcouldn't feel the the bumps,
right?
You know, from the shoulder.
So once I felt those, I justkind of stopped and let that
semi get ahead.
But I swear to God, Pat, likeprobably 20 feet in front of my
car, his taillights were gone.
It was unreal.

(31:43):
It was the it was like it wasprobably the craziest I've seen,
like not in the mountains fromlike nothing to like absolute
blizzard white out.
I was probably I just went 25miles an hour and four-wheel
drive the rest of the way on thehighway.
And uh then it's scary aboutsomeone coming up behind you.
That was the thing.
I was like, I was like, I don'tknow if they could see me, so I
just threw it on flashers.
I was like, hopefully they'llsee the pattern.

(32:04):
But um the uh I mean you youknow like my exit pull-off for
my little town just north of us,right?
And I it was so dark and sowhite out, dude, that I couldn't
tell if I passed that exit andwas on my way to Wyoming.
So I I had to like pull overagain and put on maps.

(32:24):
Oh man.
Because it was like, and I youjust couldn't see.
And you couldn't see thestreetlights on overpasses.
There was nothing, dude.
It was surreal.
I debated, I was like, maybe Ishould just like four-wheel
drive off the highway.
I know there's a county road,and it's a lot safer to be on
the county road at night than onthe highway in a white out.
But it was it was also like bythe time I got home, it ended.

(32:48):
Like by it, so in that likeusually it's like a 15-minute
drive home.
In that like 45-minute drivehome going super slow on the
highway, it was there and done.
It was it went from nothing atall to 10 inches of snow dumped
to being over.

SPEAKER_04 (33:07):
Yep.
It that happened to us one timewhen we so when you duck hunt,
bad bad weather is good weather.
And this big storm was coming.

SPEAKER_03 (33:20):
It was um But don't the ducks not want to fly in bad
weather?

SPEAKER_04 (33:23):
No, it gets them all gets them all horny, gets them
all turned on.
They want to be fine.
They want to have sex?
Uh not really.
They want to they want to getout, they want to fly around,
they want to flock up.
It gets their migrationinstincts going.
When cold, wet weather, windyweather, um it'll give it'll it
usually stirs up the wildlife.
And so um all the all the lakesand ponds around here were

(33:47):
frozen, and there's this spotout east where the there's these
sloughs where the water doesn'tfreeze.
And it was like negative 17 umout.
And we it's too cold, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (33:59):
How do you how can we I can imagine some of that
shotgun ammo isn't gonna fire?

SPEAKER_04 (34:04):
It's uh we so so we we load up the truck, we're
like, all right, we're gonna go.
Um, we're gonna drive late atnight, we're gonna drive over
the drive there, we're gonnaactually get it, we got it,
we're gonna drive east, get acheap hotel, sleep for 10
minutes, wake up, go hunt.
Um, but on our way out, we'regoing out 34, out of Greeley.

(34:24):
And this it was the craziestdrive.
First of all, we were umInstagram Live had just
literally just become a thingthat week.
Uh huh.
So like lots of people wereusing it, and it was and and it
was easy to get a lot of peoplewatching you because it was just
it was so fresh.
And so we were in these we loadup with all the duck stuff, and

(34:46):
we're in the truck, three of us,and I'm driving and we s and the
roads were true white out on thethe snow was coming down so hard
there was just no road.

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:59):
And once you get out past Greeley, it no lights, no
nothing.
Like it's just there's nothing.
You're just blind.
But there's 18 wheelerstrucking, and so similar to how
you're saying the visibility ishorrible, but there's these 18
wheelers that are coming andpassing us in the snow and just
hauling balls.
But we so we had to be going Ihad to keep it going like 60

(35:22):
just so we if we wouldn't getrun up on.
And so we just got flashers ongoing 60.
We literally cannot see any, youcan't see more than 20 feet in
front of you.
Yeah, yeah.
That's how it was last night.
And we're just hauling, and wehad our Instagram live going,
and we had like like I think wehad over 100 people, just
randos, just watching us, askingus questions, and when these 18

(35:43):
litters would pass us, it wouldput you in a snow cloud, it
would last for about 30 seconds,you just couldn't see anything.
We just hold it straight andhope you don't run off the road,
keep going.
Yeah.
And we ended up, we did end upgoing hunting um out there, but
uh it was cold that morning.
It was so cold that we uh um itwas cold enough that the the

(36:05):
guns started to not work afteryour first couple shots just
from condensation.
And it was cold enough that whenyou get out of your waders, you
can hold them for two secondsand let go and they stay
standing up.
Yeah.
It just it was a cold day.
But the the drive out there, itwas one of those drives too
where it was like did that in my20s, I would not do that
probably now.

SPEAKER_03 (36:25):
Yeah, that's how I am with a lot of a lot of the
drives I've done.
I'm now like, I'm like, I haveprecious cargo.
Like in my 20s, I was like, sowhat if I die?
And nowadays I'm like, if I die,that will seriously set back all
of my wife's plans, that willruin my family's plans for
retirement, that will destroymany lives.

SPEAKER_04 (36:48):
And it's okay to want to kind of live yourself
now that our that our prefrontalcortex is fully developed, you
know.
Just kind of like someself-preservation.

SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
I still don't have a ton of self-preservation of like
I need to live.

SPEAKER_04 (37:01):
But you're probably not as like as gung-ho to like
go rock climbing and get realhot and like or drive 110 or
100.

SPEAKER_03 (37:09):
I tell you what though, too.
Like I also am like when I'mdriving Billy Jean or my dog or
any like friends or or family,my mindset has just completely
shifted of like I don't want tobe the person who has to tell
any of these people's familiesthat uh they're dead from a car

(37:30):
accident I was responsible for.
Yeah, you can't do you can't dojack dick about like someone
else you know flattening you,but I'm just like, you know, I I
got precious cargo now.
And I see it that way.

SPEAKER_04 (37:41):
My my catch 22 with that for me is that when I'm
driving by myself, I don't getroad rage.
But I get road rage now.
Yeah, if I'm by myself, I neverget it.
But when I have people in thecar I care about, yeah, I get a
little I then my road rage comesout a little bit.
Which is therein more dangerousfor the people I'm trying to

(38:03):
protect.
It's like so it it justsometimes it messes with you
gotta yeah, I gotta slow downand remind myself why am I mad?
Oh, because I want to keep thesepeople safe.
That's why I'm actually madright now, because that wouldn't
have pissed me off before.
So take your foot off the gas,don't chase them down, like just
like just like don't get in thewhatever it is, it's just it's a
funny thing that the very thingI'm trying to do gets excuse me,

(38:29):
gets messed up because you youryour whatever, the your brain,
my lizard brain takes over andthen that protective instinct.

SPEAKER_03 (38:38):
Yeah, I I mean I'm the same way I do.
Like if someone almost runs meoff the road without using their
blinker and cutting so far overthat like they would have hit my
front tire with their passengerdoor.
I just break and I'm like, oh,oh gosh, man.
Uh I bet they weren't payingattention.
I honk, but it's not like thescreaming while I honk.

SPEAKER_04 (38:59):
Let you know I was here.

SPEAKER_03 (39:00):
And I'm just like, yeah, like well, it's the
reactionary, like, please don'thit me, please don't hit me, as
you're trying to merge over.
But then it's like, I'm like, Iwonder who it is.
And I'll kind of speed up justto see who the driver is, but no
aggression or anything.
And then I'm like, alright,like, well, glad that didn't
happen.
That would have been crazy.
And then as soon as BillieJean's in the car, or like oh

(39:22):
yeah, any any any other person,my mom especially, because my
mom almost died in a caraccident.
And so, like, anytime I'm thereand someone does that, I'm like,
it might have better it'sfucking I'm I'm riding them off
the road.
Like, and I'm like, I literally,while I'm driving the car, I'm
never like you know what, youknow what, you know what I

(39:44):
should do in response to that?
Hit their car with my car.
And then illogically, yeah,absolutely illogically, when I
have someone in my car, I'mlike, I'm I want to make sure
it's a is safe.
When someone almost cuts me offand you know crashes on the
highway going 80, I'm like, I'mgonna end you.

SPEAKER_04 (40:03):
Your decisions have rendered your life forfeit.

SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
I've never been more okay about sacrificing my
vehicle as an asset.

SPEAKER_04 (40:10):
Like oh yeah.
I've may or I may or may nothave um uttered some of the most
heinous uh homicidal language infront of my wife and kids.

SPEAKER_03 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah.
I've never done anything stupidin the world.

SPEAKER_04 (40:22):
I've done it, but I've said some things I regret.

SPEAKER_03 (40:24):
Yeah, no, but like, I mean, I I see like some
people's road rage, you know,it's just insane where they
actually are like pulling theirgun out of their console or
something.
I'm like, you I've never beenthere ever to that point of
anger or like boiled like redvision, the red mist where I'm
like it is out of my control howI'm going to like take a step

(40:49):
towards violence.
And the most of it ever is islike I just actually am really
swearing and cussing, and that'sreally all it is.
Like I've never I've never beenin that thing because I but I
have seen some people.
I have been in the vehicle withsome dudes who were like, I'm
gonna fucking shoot this guy.

(41:09):
You know, I'm just like, bruh,like dude, chill the fuck out,
you know, and it's never who youI thought it was gonna be.
It was never my homies who werelike out-of-state students from
Texas, and they had their theyhad their M9 in the glove box.
It was always dudes who werelike, it was always dudes who
are business majors and likekind of like more fratty boys,

(41:32):
and I was just like, bro, likeI've seen you shoot.
You should not be reaching forthat gun and trying to shoot it
while going 80.

SPEAKER_04 (41:40):
And uh so about I will say with road rage and
snowstorms, one of the times Idid I I did come off the handle
a bit, uh, and I did not havesomeone in the car.
The um it was one of those oneof those mornings where it's
early morning, not a lot of carson the road, and the snow has

(42:01):
covered there's no lines on theroad.
There's so everybody knows therules of when there's no lines
on the road.
Rule one, kind of do your bestand stay in the tracks that have
been established, you know.
And so we're coming up to a umlike I'm I'm following the
18-wheeler cutout before it'scovered up.

(42:23):
Yep, and so we're on a it's on ait's on a city street but a main
road in the city, and we'recoming up to a double turn lane,
and so I get over into the firstturn lane, you know, like get
over a little bit to the leftinto the first turn lane.
There's a further turn lanefurther left, and I guess I
guess I was maybe a little bitin the middle of the two of

(42:47):
them.
Like I said, it's all whitethat's like whited out.
So then I'm on the phone withone of my employees, and this
guy is I'm stopped, and thisguy's coming past me, and he
comes to my to my left to get inthe other turn lane, and he just
he bumps my window.
Which I'll say, I actually Iknock windows with other big
trucks.

(43:08):
Quite a bit.
He bumps your window.
Or sorry, bumps my mirror.
So I'm saying window.
Sorry.
He bumps my mirror.
Our mirror slap.
Oh, because you got you gotmirrors that stick out far.
Their mirror sticks out reallyfar.
So when I'm in the when we'relike there's tight traffic and
like something happens, likeI've tapped mirrors with other
guys or they tap my mirror andit's kind of like you just look
at each other and you're like,peace sign, like hey, like,

(43:28):
yeah, keep rolling, you know.
We got the big big truckmirrors, all right.

SPEAKER_03 (43:32):
So well, and those mirrors can bend out that way.
They can bend out withoutbreaking.
Yeah, and it's just not likeyou're like most people's
wondering, they're like, howdoes that happen without your
mirrors exploding?
Right.
Because most mirrors don't gothat direction.

SPEAKER_04 (43:43):
They're made, they're made to be tapped a
little.
Yeah.
And so a little mirror tap's nobig deal.
But he taps, he he it's not thatthere was no other cars around,
and he had room to get furtherleft.
But he wanted to stay in hiswhat he thought was the lane as
much as possible.
And I was I thought it was thelane as much as possible.
But he hit my car, whicheverybody knows the hitter is

(44:07):
guilty of the hitting.
Right.
So I don't even I don't evencare.
He he whacks my mirror, I'mlike, ah, whatever, I'm on the
phone with my guy.
And then he rolls his windowdown.
So then I pull up because I'mlike, oh, this guy wants to talk
to me to well, if somebody'she's gonna wave you down.

SPEAKER_03 (44:24):
He's like, hey, let's pull sorry man, let's pull
up.

SPEAKER_04 (44:26):
What would somebody say, yeah, if uh if someone taps
your mirror and you see theirthem roll their window down,
probably just a hey, sorry, oryou know, you know, what you
know, just just a quick apology,hey, you know, sorry about that,
everything good, you know,whatever.
So I pull forward a little towhere his window's down, and he
just looks over at me and thengoes, I don't know what to tell

(44:46):
you.
I was in my lane, and thensomething in my brain just
snapped and flipped.
And it was the the arrogance onthis guy's face and like just
the the the douchery that youthat you can't put words to.
And when someone says something,it's not the words he said, it's
how he said it, and the thingshe and the he the fact that he

(45:08):
took the time to roll the windowdown to anti-apologize was just
like it it boggled my brain soit literally snaps me and I'm on
the phone with my employee, andI proceed to yell a few things
out the window about um uh myyou know a phallic nature and

(45:31):
where I'm gonna put my stuff andwhat he can do with his mouth,
you know, and I'm just screamingthis out, you can do it, fucking
just letting him have it, and myemployees going, and the other
side's going, oh dang Pat, gethim! Yeah, get him! And I was
like, and and then and then thedude just peels off, and the the
roads are packed with snow, it'ssuper dangerous.

(45:52):
I'm like, but I just at thispoint I had my flip hit switch,
and I was like, oh my gosh.
And so I did try to, I was like,I was like, I'm gonna find this
guy, you know.
I tried to follow him, and hewas because I also I decided
late to follow him.
I was like, I'm gonna f ohdefinitely I'm following him.
He was and he was too far goneat that point.
But um the emotion that overcameme in that moment, afterwards,

(46:17):
like debriefing with myself, Iwas like, I was trying to figure
out why did that make me so mad?
And that's what I was talkingabout, just the fact that it was
like go out of your way toanti-apologize.
It just it just got me, man.
It got me right in my honor,honor issues, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 (46:31):
But yeah, oh my god.
No, yeah, there's nothing it Ithink, especially when you're
like already mentally there oflike, you know what, this guy's
gonna make peace, and I'm gonnamake peace too.

SPEAKER_04 (46:42):
It's no big deal.

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
You've already broke you've mentally reached the
journey that like I am alsogonna be the big man and make
peace too.

SPEAKER_04 (46:48):
This was not even a big deal to me at all.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (46:51):
And then and then like when they're cut, it's like
as someone's coming up andthey're like extending their
hand to shake yours and be like,bygones be bygones.
Oh, yeah.
And instead of like that, theylike you know smack you across
the face with it.

SPEAKER_04 (47:05):
They he told that's he told me it was my fault that
he hit my car.
And I just was like, Where youget off?
Um anyways, road raging, dude.

SPEAKER_03 (47:18):
The reason I was driving home last night was
because I went and saw PredatorBadlands for a buddy's birthday.
And it was really good.
It's actually a good movie.
It's definitely like how I willsoft introduce my child or
children to Predator.
All right, and then I'm going toshow them the actual Predator
1985 movie with Arnold.

(47:41):
But I'm not gonna let them seewhat it is.
Like, I'm gonna go put it on andstart playing it and just skip
past the intro with the Predatorship come coming on to Earth.
Yeah.
Just so that way when they sitdown to watch it, they're like,
Oh, an Arnold action movie,yeah.
Maybe I'll have like put oncommando before that, so they
see the movie Commando first,and they're like, This is what
Arnold does.
And then they'll be like, Whatthe hell?

(48:02):
What is killing all thesepeople?
And then it'll be revealed to bethe predator, and they'll be so
shocked.
Because in in Predator Badlands,uh your your main character,
your protagonist, is a predator.
And I genuinely think it will bea predator that has that will
win over hearts and minds ofchildren.

(48:23):
It's a PG-13 movie.
I was about to say everything init is tailored to be very
violent without being uh likeviolent against humans.
So like all the people who getkilled in it are like synths.
And that's how they get aroundit.
They're like, it's not actuallyblood, it's just a bunch of
white goop coming out of thesesynths.

(48:45):
And when they get their headstaken off and they get you know
flayed into pieces and you know,body parts ripped off, it's not
people, it's robots.
And it's uh I call it the thesamurai Jack effect.
Uh samurai Jack was able to killeverything and everyone in a Y-7
show.
Yeah, in a Y7 cartoonericprimetime show because everyone

(49:06):
was a robot and just like spewedout oil instead of blood.
Uh and it was awesome.
Um, and that's how this movieis, too.
And uh it actually had somereally good comedy in it that
wasn't cringe comedy, likeMarvel comedy.
Good.
Um, the acting was, you know,not great.

(49:27):
Uh, but part of me thinks that'smore because uh there's no
humans, so everyone's supposedto act like a robot.
So maybe that's just why theacting, like acting like a robot
felt kind of hammy and I don'tknow.
But it was it was good, it wasit was well done.
Um at some points the CGI was alittle too much.

(49:50):
Like, did you ever see the uhBlack Panther movie?
Mm-hmm.
You remember the final fightscene in that movie where there
it's just a hundred percent CGIfighting in Wakanda subway, and
they're just they don't evenlook like remotely like actual
people.
They're just like CGI cartoonfighting.
That's like uh there's likestuff like that in the opening

(50:12):
where some predators arefighting, and you're just like,
This doesn't even look likepeople in costumes.
Like this looks like too the theway they're moving is too fluid
that it takes me out of it whenI see them moving in costume.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, that's not how that'snot how um smooth and fluid the

(50:33):
user is the w the character iswhen it's a guy in a costume
running with a mask on.
Right.
And he's not jumping like that,you know, when he's in costume,
it's a lot more stiff and youknow, big guy a guy in a
costume.
And so it was just there's acouple parts like that, but it
was alright, it was tolerable.
Um the movie overall, I'd getI'd give it like an eight out of

(50:54):
ten.
Nice.
Um, but anyways, so that for mybuddy's birthday.
This buddy of mine, he you knowhim.
But uh every year for hisbirthday now, for three years or
so, I think two or three years,another friend and I, we've come
up with a very harmless, veryhilarious bit in that uh we know

(51:22):
our we know our friend is like aclassic rock kind of guy, 80s,
90s rock as well, he enjoys it.
Um but we like to reallyover-emphasize and uh act like
somehow like at some point he orsomeone else, like his wife,

(51:46):
told us that he's a DaveMatthews band fan.
And every year we get him DaveMatthews band stuff.
It's like we started out smallwith like just getting him a
shirt and signing like hey, tothe biggest Dave Matthews fan we
know, happy birthday.
This year was his 30th birthday,and I like asked his wife, I was

(52:06):
like, Do you guys have a recordplayer?
Because I we have forgotten.
I was like, the only thing Icould find that's Dave Matthews
is like this uh double set vinylrecord.
And she's like, No, we don'thave one.
I was like, damn.
I guess he he would if I boughthim this and gave it to him and
he's like, Oh, I don't have arecord player, then we'd have to
take it back.
And it could spoil the bit.

(52:28):
Because while we take it back,he could be like, you know what,
I'm happy you're taking it backas well, because I'm just not a
Dave Matthews fan.
And I'm sorry I haven't told yousooner.
Oh, so he's he hasn't said thathe's not a fan.

SPEAKER_04 (52:37):
And you know he's not.

SPEAKER_03 (52:38):
Yeah, that's the funny part.
Right.
Because he's playing likekindness, he's just kind of he's
just being kind, so nice andkind, and can't he can't bring
himself to tell me and my otherbuddy that he's not a Dave
Matthews band fan.
Oh my god.
And so we just keep getting himstuff and signing the cards.
Like, uh, there's a DaveMatthews band song called

(52:59):
Samurai Cop.
So on this album I said, youknow, happy 30th birthday to our
favorite samurai cop from Jayand Mick.
And I was like, I also like Iread I was like, and Botchi this
vinyl before I found out youdidn't have a like record

(53:19):
player, so we got one too.
And so now he we bought him likea record player.
And his only record is namedMatthews like double set album,
and it's like it's just bigenough, you know, of a thing.
Because it's it's like amodern-day record player, it's
not like it's like a fourthousand dollar vintage record.
Like, where do I put this thing?

(53:40):
It well, it's a portable one,and it can also be used like as
a Bluetooth radio and stuff, soit's got like actual reutility,
which is kind of nice to givehim that as like a 30th birthday
gift.
Because I kind of feel bad if Igave someone like on a milestone
birthday, an actually completelyuseless gift.
That's true.
But so we we got him that in therecord, and now like his wife's
kind of in on it, and I'm justlike, you know, don't have to

(54:04):
lie, but I do need you to likemake sure he doesn't tell us
that he doesn't like DaveMatthews.
Like, if he's ever talking tome, he's like, this is too much.
Like, I gotta tell him so theycan get take this back and get
their money back.
You have to be like, no, likethey they they asked me about
it.
Like they clearly really put alot of thought into this.
Like, so what we at least have arecord player and we just won't

(54:26):
play the Dave Matthews album.
We'll just we'll just go getother records, you know.
And I just wanted to keep ondigging in because like
sometimes I'll like we'll goover and we'll see the Dave
Matthews shirts in his closet.
She's like, I bet those neverget worn.
You know, and like the wholepoint, too, is that we're
working up to the next time DaveMatthews goes on tour to get him

(54:48):
tickets for his birthday.
And so like he's like soinsanely like accountable to
keep with the bit and just playalong.
Who knows?
I would there's nothing more Iwould love than if we were at
the Dave Matthews band concert.
He's like, you guys, you know, Igot his own is kind of funny.
I really wasn't a big DaveMatthews band fan until you guys

(55:09):
like kept giving me stuff yearafter year.
And now I'm just happy to behere with my friends, and the
music makes me think of myfriends.
That would be the best part, youknow.
Kind of like, you know, uhPavlovian uh or uh what's the
one where you come to love yourkidnapper?

SPEAKER_04 (55:24):
Yeah, Stockholm Syndrome.

SPEAKER_03 (55:25):
Stockholm syndrome, a little bit of Stockholm
Syndrome with Dave Matthews bandand his buddies.
But I think it's so funny, and Iwhen we were Billy Jean was
wrapping the record player andthe record up in like you know,
some Christmas wrapping paperbecause his birthday's so close
to Christmas, and uh I could notkeep it together, dude.

(55:45):
I was like crying laughing everytime because I tested it out,
made sure everything worked, butI was just like, this is such an
insanely harmless, buthilariously like funny uh bit.
And oh dude, I like I still Iget watery eyes just thinking
about it.

SPEAKER_04 (56:05):
Um that's great.

SPEAKER_03 (56:06):
So he's he's trapped in that, and I've been getting
messages, he just opened it, andthe and his wife just messaged
like the first thing he said tome is like, what the fuck is up
with this Dave Matthews bandit?
Like, what is going on, likewhat is going on?
And so I'm like, that's perfect.
Yeah, like you don't even haveto you you'd be like, you don't
even have to be like, what honeyyou told me?
Because like, don't lie.

(56:27):
Because if he's like, I've nevertold you that, like, don't do
that, but just be like, well,it's still thoughtful, even if
you don't like Dave Matthewsband, like that's so and those
are some there's some good songson that album, you know?
So it's excellent, dude.

SPEAKER_04 (56:39):
I love it so much.
Here's some things I've found.
Dave Matthews bobblehead.

SPEAKER_03 (56:44):
That's a good one.
Um that'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_04 (56:46):
Get it, get it for his desk.
He works at a desk.
Uh Dave Matthews band albumcover Woodburned onto a cheese
board.

SPEAKER_03 (56:56):
Like a charcuterie board?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:58):
That's funny.
Then we have uh we do have aChristmas ornament.
You have wrapping paper withDave, it's Christmas themed
wrapping paper with DaveMatthews' face on it wearing a
Santa hat.

SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
So that one I feel like would be hard because I
don't think his wife would wantthat aesthetically underneath
the tree.

SPEAKER_04 (57:17):
Yep, yep.
But you could wrap his presentin it.

SPEAKER_03 (57:20):
Well, then he would know.
Because here's the funny thing.
I think he opened up the recordplayer first.
Oh.
Because it's a lot bigger.
And I think he was like, Wow,they got me a record player.
That's kind of random, butthat's really nice and sincere.
And then he's like, Oh, I wonderwhat the first record is.
And he opened it, it is a doublezette Matthews.
He's probably like, This is allbit, this can't be real.

SPEAKER_04 (57:44):
What you could do, this is a great, we used to do
this just for fun.
And like in high school, we hada band room, and we'd buy like
broken instruments from pawnshops, and then sign them with
like rock stars names and justput them on the wall.

SPEAKER_02 (57:59):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 (58:00):
But you could get a guitar that's jacked up, just
get a$30 guitar from a pawnshop.
It looks all used as a pawnshop, and just like sign it with
Dave Matthews and make a fakelike authentication, like form
with it, and and just be like,and and and and make it make it
like don't don't say howexpensive it was, but make it

(58:21):
clear in the authentication thatlike this is from his, you know,
what the guitar from his peak toor what like it's like and just
uh that'd be insane.
Just see what he oh man, but uhalso Dave Matthews concert.
I mean, hey, you'll enjoyyourself at that.
It'll be a good show.

SPEAKER_03 (58:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:40):
Um that is a great bit.
Oh, that is hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 (58:43):
And then by then he will have enough t-shirts that
we've bought him that we can allwear him.

SPEAKER_04 (58:48):
You can all wear his ban shirt, yeah.
Oh, that is hilarious.
Is this the same guy you did themint thing to?

SPEAKER_03 (58:56):
No, no, that was that was a dude in my Bible
study that I was a disciplining.
He was a that guy was a lotyounger.
This is a dude who I like waspeers with in college.
But anyways, it's such aclassic, classic, harmless
thing.
And like I want to startlearning the other band members

(59:17):
of Dave Matthews, like theirnames.
Just start getting him likeinside jokes like about like the
band members.
It's like like get him a coffeecup or something that says like
don't talk to me until I'veheard the black guy who plays a
saxophone.
He's a ginormous, like dreadsblack dude that plays a

(59:39):
saxophone and hands go marching.

SPEAKER_04 (59:46):
What is his name?
His name's Rashawn Ross.
Don't Oh wait, no, yeah, he'sthe trumpet player.

SPEAKER_03 (59:57):
Who's the saxophone guy?
Jeff Coffin.
Jeff Coffin, yeah.
Don't talk to me until I'veheard Coffin play the sax and
I've had my coffee.
Like, imagine that on a mug.
So niche.
And someone would be like, whatis that?
There's no way he could explainit to anyone who asked him about

(01:00:18):
it without sounding like a megaDave Matthews bad nerd.
Yeah.
He'd be like, I'm not that bigof a fan, but my friends got it
for me.
And everyone, anytime he wouldsay that, people would be like,
Alright, buddy.
Sounds like you're a big fan,but like it's not anything to be
ashamed about.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:34):
Oh, that is hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
Oh, that's a good bit.

unknown (01:00:40):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
And it's rather cheap, you know.
Like, I think all said and donefor his 30th birthday, we spent
like 130, 150 bucks with a realrecord player in it.
Real record player and a doubleset, you know, best hits album.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:59):
That's funny.
Those things bring joy.
They do good cleaner harm.
Good clean fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:07):
They're harmless.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:08):
Mm-hmm.
I bet you could get on the DaveMatthews band Reddit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:14):
I was debating that.
I was debating like, hey, doesanyone got any like stuff they
want to get rid of?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:21):
Oh man.
Why is there a Reddit feed foreverything?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:26):
Dude, there really is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:28):
Whatever you want to go learn about.
People right now on DaveMatthews Band Reddit feed are
sharing their because SpotifyRap is coming out.
Yeah, yeah.
There's lots of Spotify rapedcoming out.
People bragging on here abouthim being their top artist.
This person spent 41,000 minuteslistening to Dave Matthews band

(01:01:51):
this year.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:52):
That's more than how many days is that?
That's more than my wife's totalcombined Spotify rap play.
That would be 29.17 days.
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:05):
That's someone who listens to it 24-7.
A month of their life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:14):
You know, when I think about it though, I've
probably spent over a month ofmy time this last year listening
to audiobooks.
You know what I mean?
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:24):
That's right.
I was in because I I I wish Ihad Audible wrapped.
This guy's the 89th toplistener.
So there's 88 people for him topass this year.
Who's the top listener?
You need to get his login forhis Spotify and just every night

(01:02:49):
on one of your devices play DaveMatthews on nonstop and make him
the top listener of the year onRap.
Number one Dave Matthews.
He wouldn't even know what ishappening.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.

(01:03:10):
The uh you know, another anotherband, like it's kind of like a
Dave Matthews band, like thereare a lot of like people like
love him or hate them types, andthere's been this big resurgence
with like Creed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:25):
But yeah, because of that Running Up the Hill song by
What's Her Faves, that Creedcovered, and Creed's cover is
pretty good.
It's a good cover on uh Kate,what's her name?
Kate something.
She's the original artist whodid Running Up That Hill.
I don't remember her.
Which all that became popularagain because of the Stranger

(01:03:47):
Things.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:48):
But but there also there's also like resurgence in
dad rock in general.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:52):
Or butt rock is what it's also called.
Why butt rock?
I forget why it's called buttrock, but it's called butt rock.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:58):
A bunch of dads with their plumers crack out at
concerts.
I can't remember why it's calledbutt rock.
But oh, sit on you, you sit onyour butts the whole time.
Like you're there at like thefield, the stadium, and you're
just sitting in chairs the wholetime.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:09):
I don't know.
But um the deal with it too islike Nickelback and Creed got so
overplayed.
When when we were young.
Yeah, it's it's part of whatruined it for so many people.
And now it's gonna happen.
It's like, I wonder if thesebandwidths like, oh my god, it's
gonna happen again.
Because it's on every TikTokvideo, every YouTube short has

(01:04:30):
has these these Creed songs init and like Creed memes and all
this stuff.
And it's like, I'm just like,and I've I've always stayed
loyal.
I've always listened I likeCreed, I like, I like
Nickelback.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:42):
Hey, get at me.
You said that, and now I'm gonnaweaponize it against you.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:46):
But now it's like it's coming back around, and now
it's like they're gonna do itagain.
They're gonna freaking ruin buttrock again.
And butt rock uh likelyoriginated from the 90s hard
rock radio campaign with thetagline rock, nothing but rock.
So now they call it butt rock,nothing but rock.
Now it's people call it nothing,yeah, but butt rock.

(01:05:08):
And so that's why it's calledbutt rock.
Because of your, you know, yourdad's your construction worker
dad's radio station.
Just 9999, nothing but rock.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:19):
I get it.
There you go.
Yeah, I think I mean I like thatas resurgence because I truly do
think that there's less goodmusic than there was in the 90s
and 80s.
Like, I still listen to 80shairbands.
Like, I don't think I trulydon't think there's a band that
has come along that has producedbetter music post 2010 uh than

(01:05:47):
Van Halen.
Like, I think Van Halen music isso insanely good for almost any
vibe.
And I think that just becauselike I didn't grow up listening
to Van Halen, like I discoveredthem, you know, when the ability
to stream music started comingon, like post iTunes.

(01:06:09):
And so, and I I mean I had heardtheir songs before, right?
But I didn't know them, and thatwas their song.
Same thing with like uh, youknow, ACDC, Metallica, like all
of them were stuff that I heardat times playing in the radio as
a kid growing up, but I neverknew I couldn't tell you an ACDC
or Metallica or Van Halen song.

(01:06:29):
And uh then I was like, dude,this is good music.
And I remember like that waswhen I went, like, I just
stopped listening to like modernhip-hop and rap.
And I pretty much like that wasalso when I was phasing out of
modern country because likemodern country just felt a
little repetitive.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:47):
It already it AI'd itself.
Yeah.
Like even before it was likelike uh uh country song, top
country song hit uh this lastweek was an AI song.
Hit top of the charts.
What the heck's up with that?
That's also fake news.
Is it fake news?

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:05):
Well, it's not fake news, it's fake because the top
of the to be the top of thechart only requires a count of
streamed.
So and you can fake how manytimes it was downloaded on
stream by just having it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:19):
It might have been the numbers might have been the
books might have been cooked alittle bit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:22):
Well, it's also low numbers.
Someone did the math on it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:25):
It only takes like 3,000.
To hit it and to hit it for likeif it goes viral, people look at
it, that doesn't mean it's beenthat's that's true, because it's
different than like in 2002, ifa song was on the radio for
three months straight and beingplayed.
Right.
But yeah.

(01:07:45):
But the um But yeah, yeah,modern country got so canned,
like it just canned music, it'sall everything, it's all it's
all the same, it's all the samestuff and down the hill for
sure, and and that.
But the um and I think with Imean they've been using you know
autotune, drum machines,different things for a very long

(01:08:07):
time now.
And that's where those old muthose old songs don't have any
of that in there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:11):
And they also just to me feel like uh, you know,
they do feel like a time capsulein a way.
Because it to me makes me feellike I'm listening to the music
that my mom grew up with and youknow, bought her first cassette
player to listen to, right?
And stuff like that.
So I enjoy listening to thatexperience because there's like

(01:08:32):
some nostalgia to it.
But it's also like I justgenuinely believe there was like
overall better songs at a higherquantity than there is today.
And don't get me wrong, there'sstill a lot of bangers that get
made like to today and like overthe last 10-15 years, but I just

(01:08:52):
don't think there has there's asmany consistently like good
songs, or songs of today, howlong do they stay at that level
of being a banger?

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:03):
About three weeks, you know, till something else
pops up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:07):
Consumption too has changed though.
Like I you used to buy an albumto share it with your friends
and play it in the cardtogether, right?
And nowadays, like you send alink to a song that you like on
Spotify to a friend and theyopen it up at their house away

(01:09:27):
from you.
It's not as much of like acommunal thing together, you're
experiencing it.
Like there was a there was athis band called Family Force 5.
And they were like this kind oflike oh like borderline like
disco rock, techno punk.
They're kind of like daft punkto a degree, but like uh more um

(01:09:52):
like kind of goofy, silly songs,um, and they really like niched
out a little bit of themselvesfor it.
But I remember they releasedthis album, Dance or Die, and my
buddy had bought it, he's like,You guys gotta hear this.
This is crazy.
And I remember he was playing itin his Honda Civic for us.
We were like, dude, this thismusic is baller.
And we were just like dancing tothat song in a parking lot

(01:10:16):
playing out of his speakers ofhis car.
Um, you know, it was at the timewhen that this word came into
existence called krunk, and itwas like we're getting crunk,
dude.
Like, like, dude, uh dude, I'mgetting I'm getting crunk on
this right now, dude.
Like uh, it was so but that waslike no when's the last time you

(01:10:38):
saw a group of kids?
It's when crunk hit the whitepeople, yeah.
When's the last time you saw agroup of kids like dancing to
car, like a music blasting outof a car in a parking lot?
Like I haven't seen it since Iwas the kid doing it.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:55):
No, for real.
Yeah, I have not seen or likeI'll say in college once, it was
like a Tuesday morning.
I'm riding my bike from one ofmy classes, I'm a freshman, and
I'm passing one of the sophomoreguys' houses.
And there's just loud musiccoming from in there.
Like, loud, loud.
I'm like, what's going on inthere?

(01:11:16):
And well, everybody's like,well, everybody's in uh, you
know, para-church youthministries, you have access to
large speakers for youth events.
So they had taken all thesespeakers and rigged them up, and
they were just they're playinglike Lil Wayne or something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:33):
Yeah, but and Lil, I'll also say Lil Wayne was one
of my like he was one of mysunset rappers.
Oh yeah.
He like as I was losing myinterest in rap, he was like one
of the last ones I really likeenjoyed listening to.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:46):
And so I walk in this house with this raging
music playing, and there's justthere's no girls.
It's Tuesday morning, andthere's like 25 guys just
dancing their faces off in thishouse.
That might be the last time I Isaw such an impromptu dance
party, strong impromptu socialdance party breakout.

(01:12:09):
With no um, like, and the factthat like in general, like, why
do dudes dance at the clubs?
It's an act of peacocking andprospecting.
Sure.
This was while the lyrics maynot have been so pure coming out
of out of the speakers that weuse to tell people about Jesus
usually.
The the act of this man danceparty was was very pure.

(01:12:33):
Yeah, which I get that.
Reminds me of a the Bruce WillisSNL skit, boy dance party.
Did you ever see that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:40):
I don't think I ever saw that one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:41):
I'll show it to you later.
It's a good one.
It's basically the same premise,just it's a boy dance party.
Yeah.
And it's uh that's it.
It's just pure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:49):
Those are some of my best memories as a kid.
Boy dance parties.
Dude, also, this is one Ithought about this at the movie
theater last night.
But I remember Friday, school'sover, waiting for someone to
pick me up so we can go to themovies.
We would get to the movietheater like two hours early.
So me and my friends, who areyou know, we were all arriving

(01:13:11):
in like different cars becausewe lived across like different
areas of South Denver, and we'dget there so we could dance to
um on the like DDR machines andcompete.
And uh we would do that for liketwo hours before the movie
started, right?
And that was exhilarating.

(01:13:32):
It was so fun.
Even if you weren't good at DDR,you were there to just be hype
for you know the the ultimatelike kind of bracket challenge.
There would always be the Randoswho like were like in their 30s
and they were like at the movietheater and like, hey, let me
get in on this.
And like they come and danceagainst you, and it was so fun.
It was so funny and fun.

SPEAKER_04 (01:13:52):
Yes, it was.
That reminds me of one of thefirst viral videos.
This is when, you know, this islike early YouTube and like
beginning of this is when mostlylike uh um most viral videos
were being sent by um email,right?
Yeah.
Was fat kiddr.

(01:14:14):
Dude, I remember that one.
Yeah, that was a good one.
And just it is the incrediblespeed with which his feet are
moving, but his torso is notmoving.
Yeah, it's hips down, stomping,gyrating, yeah, and then he's
just focused.
And then he he messes up andfalls at the end and pushes the
machine and it moves under him.
Yeah.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:35):
The best of dancer in our group was a kind of fat
kid too.
He was he was lightning on themsteps.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:41):
Mm-hmm.
Oh man.
There's a lot of good old the uhused to not take that much to go
viral.
Maybe it doesn't take that muchnow.
Say in uh in effort.
Well, or in like uh I'll saysilly things go viral for no
good reason.
I don't think you well but butthere's so many people trying to
go viral, it is very hard to goviral.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:01):
Yeah, you know, I do think back in the day, too, it
was also like you could neverplan a viral video like on early
YouTube days.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:08):
Like the Hide your kid, hide your wives guy, you
know.
Yeah, Charlie bit my finger.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:14):
Dude, no one ever was prepared for that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:17):
They weren't ready for it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:18):
I smell like beef.
Yeah.
Oh uh good stuff.
Well uh good, good, goodnostalgia episode of just
remembering childhood stuff andstories and harmless, harmless
bits.
Um going into the the holidayseason.

(01:15:38):
We uh we we should talk about,you know, in an episode here
again, like kind of therecommended holiday gifts for
you know the man you know in his30s.
Yes.
And do something like that.
Because we did we did a giftgiving episode last year or like
recommendations going throughstuff.
And honestly, like in the lastyear I've gotten a lot of those

(01:15:59):
things either from people asgifts or like for myself.
And so now it's like, okay, kindof gotta come up with a whole
new list.
And I'm actually struggling.
Like Billy Billy Jean is on mycase.
She's like, You haven't madeyour Christmas wish list yet.
Oh yeah.
I need to know what you want soI can send it out to you know
the family.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:17):
It is hard, like, where it's just like the and
we'll get into it when we talkabout the episode, but it's like
you but mostly you just wantsome somebody to get you
something that's meaningful thatthey put things that they put
thought into.
No one ever buys me bullets orguns.
Yeah.
Well, there's the thoughts Iwant.
There's like the some of the thethings on my like as a kid, your

(01:16:40):
largest desires could be met ona birthday or Christmas.
Now I cannot ask for a$3,000shotgun.
I cannot ask for a hundredthousand dollar ski boat.
I cannot ask for a huntingranch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:54):
If you really love me and are happy that I'm a part
of your family, then just likecommit to shelling out like
enough for dual dual nods.
Exactly.
Like, just give me dual nods.
Just a quick 15,000 dual nods.
Exactly.
Don't you love me?
No, no, it's it is that that isthe dilemma of like, I don't
want Knickknacks.

(01:17:15):
It was so funny because we werein the line to buy the record
player and record from Barnesand Noble.
And Barnes and Noble, the frontof the line is like the same as
any store where it's just trash.
And Billy G was like, I justlove uh what was the word she
used?
She used this word that I neverheard.
Uh Totskis.
She's like, I just loveTchotskis.

(01:17:36):
Like I like to look at them inthe assortment and how cute they
are.
I'm like, but it's trash.
She's like, yeah, but it's socute.
And I'm like, don't buy me anyof this, please.
It's like such disposable trash.
Are you 85 years old?
Are you are you my grandma?
But you know, I mean it's it issuper sweet that like because I
never look at that stuff whileI'm in line and think like, oh,

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this would be a good gift for soand so.
But like that is how she thinks,and like I think that's very
sweet and innocent, but I'm alsojust like, don't spend our money
on any of this.
It's disposable Chinese garbageor like poison candy.
Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:14):
So the uh my grandparents uh well it was like
like great great-grandparents'chotskis were as a as an
assortment of uh salt shakers,salt and pepper shakers, but
they were all like AfricanAmerican, um with some of their
features um exaggerated,exaggerated.

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Yeah, it was like and there'slike they like it's one of those
things they had, you know, forand then like when they pass
away, you're like, We gottathrow these out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:42):
We can't have these.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:48):
I did tell her I was like I was like, don't spend any
money on tchotskis.
Instead, spend money on a giftcard to Schlotskis.
Because I love Schlotskis.
Love me a circle sandwich.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:59):
Albuquerque turkey.
Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:03):
Anyways, thanks for joining us, Ken.
Hopefully, you're thinkingabout, you know, childhood
snowstorms and stuff and funthings you got to do when you
had snow days or impromptu,unplanned, fun times with
friends, music from yourchildhood, dancing with your
buddies.
Uh yeah, and be thinking aboutwhat you want for Christmas.
Because honestly, here's thetruth.

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Here's the truth.
It is an act of service and loveto go out of your way to make a
list for your loved ones to thenget you those things.
Because then they get to relishin the moment of I got you
something that you wanted, and Igot to deliver that to you, and

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I get to now see the joy on yourface.
And that itself is a gift youcan give them that gets given
back to you.
So do it.
Uh my opinions changed because Iwas such an anti-Christmas gift
person.
I know we've talked about thatbefore of like, don't give me
anything because I don't, it'snot what I want, and then I have
to fake like I want it.
And nowadays I'm in the mindsetof like, all right, I will

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buckle down and I will really dothe research and digging to find
something you can get me so thatway you get to experience the
joy of giving me something Iactually want.
Um, and I encourage everyone todo that because it does show
consideration and love for yourfor your uh friends and family
when you do that.
So uh, anyways, be thinkingabout that, Ken, and start

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making that list.
And uh I guess, Pat, you gotanything else?

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:35):
Don't forget to get crunked listening to that Dave
Matthews music.
Yeah, get crunked and listen toDave Matthews.
Yep.
Till next time, folks.