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Morgan (00:00):
So about, I don't know,
probably eight or nine years
(00:03):
ago. Are you sure? Can'tremember anything? Probably
about eight or nine years ago, Isomehow got roped in, invited to
go to a women's Bunko night inour neighborhood. And if you've
listened to the friendshipepisode, you know this was like,
oh, not my typical thing that Iwould do, but I really wanted to
try to get to know people in theneighborhood. And I thought,
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Okay, I'm gonna, really, I'mgonna go to this thing. So there
I go into the house. I'msurrounded by all of these women
that I do not know. We'resitting at various tables. I
don't know if you've ever playedBunko, no, it is fun, but you
sit at multiple tables. I don'tknow it's a dice game, and then
you rotate through to differenttables. I was sitting at this
table, we're rolling the dice,and we're all just sort of chit
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chatting and getting to knoweach other. And at this time, my
youngest child was a toddler,probably she's my fourth child,
so we had four kids, right? Andthey asked me, well, so Morgan,
how many? How many kids do youhave? And I promptly without,
without even hesitating, I said,I've got three. And it took me
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probably 30 seconds before Iactually interrupted the ongoing
conversation. Oh, my God, no, Ihave four. And they looked at me
like, What the hell is yourproblem? You're bad. I just
forgot. Like, it's not that Iforgot I had a whole entire kid
more than what I thought I did.
It's just that I don't know mybrain. It was like a brain fart,
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almost. And so that's kind ofwhat I wanted to talk about
today, is this whole concept offorgetfulness, and how we
remember things or don'tremember them, and the impact of
all of that and other commonthings that happen with people.
Like, I'm sure this is thisstuff has happened to you,
right? Like, what are somethings that you forget?
Chris (01:53):
We'll just start with
today. I could go 18 minutes
ago, more like an hour and ahalf, but I woke up, and
immediately the stream of stuffstarts coming. Okay? I gotta get
up. I gotta make the bed. So getup, make the bed, fill up my
water, start cooking my sweetpotato for lunch, go downstairs,
do my workout. So already I'mdoing multiple things to try to
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get ready. Now I've gotta traina guy today at work, so I'm
looking at my schedule to makesure that that's all lined out.
Have I texted him? I'mconfirming all of that. I know
that you and I are recording at630 so the whole time, I'm like,
Okay, I gotta get through thisshort list of stuff to get my
day ready to launch before 630and I'm in the shower, washing
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my hair, and I'm like, fuck,
Morgan (02:38):
I forgot something. We
have
Chris (02:40):
been sending out this
email on the Thursday after
every episode to the communityof subscribers that we have for
the midlife mud. And that'ssomething that I take on, and I
haven't done it. So I'm like,well, crap, it needs to be done
by today, because we both gothrough it. And so that just
threw the whole thing in alittle bit sideways. And I don't
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know, it just feels like there'sthis constant stream of things
flowing through my mind, likejunk floating down a rapid
river. And I just like, ampicking them out? Like, oh, I
got that one. Oh, I missed
Morgan (03:16):
that one. Yes. And it's
just sort of a recipe for
failure at some point, at somepoint, right? Other examples,
you know, forgetting. I cannottell you how many times I've
been watching a movie and I seethis actor that I know. I know
this actor. I know that actor'sname. Why can't I think that
name is not coming to me? And ifI did not have the IMDB app, I
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would probably be dead fromfrustration or something. Well,
I
Chris (03:41):
can remember when we
either didn't have it or it
wasn't as popular, yeah? And youknow, it was frustrating because
it's right there, and the harderyou try to get it, the more it's
like, no, I'm not coming out.
Yeah. And then what happens? 4amthe eyes fly open, and you're
like, that's it. It's so and
Morgan (04:01):
so, right? It's like,
why does that even matter? But
it is frustrating. Or, like,going to the grocery store. I
went to the grocery store. Thiswas probably a couple of months
ago. I needed to get a bellpepper or something for a
recipe. I was like, Oh, I forgotto order the bell pepper. Drove
all the way to the grocerystore. I go into the store, I
pick up all these things, gohome without the bell. I didn't
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have a bell pepper. I never gotthe one thing that I went to get
or, like, there's also thisthing about when something or
someone is out of context, yes,like, I can't place them. For
instance, if I see a patient ofmine out in the world, I'm like,
I know I know them. But why do Iknow them? You know, the other
day, I was walking in myneighborhood, this was early in
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the morning, walking the dog,and I'm just minding my own
business with my my AirPods in,and all of a sudden, this person
in a bright orange Jeep kind ofrolls up next to me, and she's
like, waving her arm. Sudden,I'm
Chris (05:00):
like, shit.
Morgan (05:02):
Who the fuck is this
person? And I'm looking straight
at her, and I'm like, she lookslike she knows me. I don't know
that I know her. And then Irealize I see her son sitting
next to her. And then it allclicks. She is one of my older
boys, like, really good friends.
It's it's his mom, but shedoesn't live in our
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neighborhood, and there's noreason she would be there
driving around. I didn'trecognize the car. All of a
sudden, it all clicked. And Iwas like, Oh, hi. Why? What are
you doing here? But I lookedlike a moron. Just gave her this
like, blank look like, who areyou? So why are we talking about
this? What? What's the impact ofall of this forgetfulness that I
feel like happens more and moreas we get into midlife? For
Chris (05:46):
me, there's this anxiety
that gets wrapped up in my
ability to remember things.
Yeah, I work with people thathave lost their memories all the
time. And I mean, it's reallysad to see that
Morgan (05:59):
Yeah. And I think that's
one of the heavier, deeper
rooted anxieties, and I'm rightthere with you as a backdrop to
that. We have a history ofAlzheimer's in our family,
right? And we watched our ownfather fret over this, because
it was his dad that had it, andI think our Father always
thought that's gonna happen tohim. It never did, thank God.
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But I think that fear has beenpassed along to us.
Chris (06:24):
Yes, it has. And we also
watched sort of the wreckage of
that with our grandmother andhaving her, you know, she was
raising granddad, so to speak. Imean, he was like a kid, and she
did that for as long as shecould, and then he was in a
facility, and all we ever knewwas stories of this man that was
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apparently, you know, reallybright and could do all these
crazy like math problems in hishead. And I never saw that. I
just saw a shell of a person. Sothat is the extreme side of the
memory thing.
Morgan (06:59):
Yeah. And when you think
about you know, you always hear
you can't take my memories awayfrom me. What if your memories
are taken away from you? That'sreally scary. And you see what
the impact of that is on otherpeople, right? In fact, one of
my boys told me one time thatthat's something he was really
scared of. I'm like, Oh, good.
We're passing that down to youtoo.
Chris (07:19):
Another layer is as we
are in that situation where
we're in the middle with ourkids below and our parents
above, I'm doing a lot morethinking about how are mom and
dad doing, and what's thattrajectory look like, and do we
need to help, or are we notbeing helpful? Like, I don't
want to be, you know,overbearing of mom and dad, like
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they're adults, they can dotheir own thing, but I'm also, I
want to make sure we're helpingthem and
Morgan (07:49):
just the mental load
that we have in midlife, right?
The stream of junk,
Chris (07:56):
it's constant, and then
you're trying to insert new
memory while this stream of junkis going by at a rapid pace. The
other day, I was at a an event,and I was talking to this couple
who I had just met, and I hadbeen talking to the wife first,
and I was talking to her for awhile, and then the husband
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came, and the husband, you evermeet somebody, and you're like,
that's like another person.
That's another friend of mine,his mannerisms, his energy, what
he was into, just reminded me ofthis other friend of mine. And
so the wife introduced him withhis actual name, but I just
inserted my friend's name. Andso then the next two times I saw
this couple, I'm using the wrongname. And to the credit of the
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woman, she finally willed thecourage to say, you know, that's
not his name. And I'm like, damnit, but I'm glad she did no
harm, no foul, but that'sembarrassing, you know, really
embarrassing. And then I waslike, damn it. Now I have the
wrong name. I even said that tothem after I left them, I got in
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the car, and I'm like, like,repeating the name over and over
and over and over and over totry to re burn it in my mind. It
Morgan (09:10):
takes so much more
effort now, so much more effort,
Chris (09:14):
so much more. And I don't
know if I'm just being
nostalgic, but more and more Ibuild this fantasy in my mind,
like when I was younger, I couldhave done a calculus problem
while juggling on top of abicycle. Yeah,
Unknown (09:29):
we have pretty grand
ideas about what we used to be
able to do. It's true,
Morgan (09:32):
right? And I'm not sure
what's actually real, but I'm
pretty sure I used to be able toremember someone's name a little
bit better. It is like a littlefiling cabinet, and it's way,
way, way, way in the back, andthe lady had to go all the way
down the aisle way and open somecrazy drawer and and eventually
it will come. It just takesforever, and it's just because
there's so much crap in
Chris (09:54):
there, speaking of which
we were just talking about,
knowing your name and the cheersthemes. Song just goes raging
through my mind,
Morgan (10:03):
right? Why do we
remember stupid shit like that?
No, right? That doesn't makesense. That's not helping me
today. So the impact of this, itcan be embarrassing, it can be
frustrating. I had a situationjust this morning where I had
painstakingly gone through thisprocess of setting up a bank
account that then I linked to mycredit card app so that I could
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pay my credit card through thatapp. But I also have another
credit card that's the same inthat app. Wires got crossed and
money was withdrawn from thewrong account and it overdrew,
and it's like, damn it, becauseI forgot to change the setting
to the different account. So nowI have to take time out of my
day to do this extra step oflike writing a check and going
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to the bank and depositing itand paying this fee that I
didn't want to pay. So it canliterally be annoying. It can be
scary when you think about what,who am I without? What I
remember right?
Chris (10:57):
Speaking of IMDb, there
was this old movie with Guy
Pierce called memento.
Morgan (11:03):
Do you Yes? Actually, I
was thinking about that with all
the post it notes Yes.
Chris (11:07):
And sometimes he would,
like, get mad, and he'd be like,
I'm changing the memory becauseI'm going to do something
different. It's, like, reallythought provoking. Yeah?
Morgan (11:16):
All of that to say, most
of us are in the same boat.
We're all experiencing somelevel of this, right? Yeah, and
some of it is because of literalaging, and some of it's just
because of the nature of thisphase of life.
Chris (11:28):
It's a bit hard to
untangle, though, because when
you add more pieces of junk inthe river, it just creates more
difficulty with accessing yourbrain. And then if you add on
top of that, you got all thisstuff flowing. And now you look
behind you and you feel like alion is trying to eat you and
push you into the river. Sowhich is stress? Yeah, right. So
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now you add stress onto it. Iremember the first time that I
ever did a big talk, like on anational stage, at an
Association Conference in Iworked really hard. I planned my
outline. I had everything alllaid out, and I got up there and
my brain just went white,nothing. And as soon as that
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happened, entire sympatheticsystem just went evacuate.
Morgan (12:21):
Yeah, so what's actually
happening? There is a little bit
of science. There is a littlebit of stuff going on with the
brain as we age. They say thatthe hippocampus, which is the
memory center in your brain,actually gets a little bit
smaller. Yeah, it actually getsa little bit smaller as we age,
so we're not quite as capable ofholding as much. We also have
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these hormonal shifts, both menand women, estrogen and
testosterone, both affect yourmemory and ability to like pay
attention to things.
Chris (12:52):
I read this thing about
brain scans that were done on
taxi drivers in London, likebefore, the days of GPS, and
they found that they hadimmensely active memory centers
in their brain, and the theorywas that they use them actively
all the time, and that wascontributing to that. And you
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hear like all the time. Makesure you do a sudoku or do your
word puzzles. And in the retiredgenerations, like use your
brain, because if you don't useit, it will languish faster.
Morgan (13:25):
There's also something
about music, isn't there? I
think in dementia patients, Iforget what I was watching, but
there was an Alzheimer's patientwho was a former dancer, like a
professional dancer, andcouldn't really remember
anything of note about her life.
And then someone played a songfrom like, Swan Lake or
something, and I guess she hadperformed in that and she just
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like, came alive. And you couldtell by the way she was moving
her body, that she was relivingthese moves that she had done.
How crazy that you could accessthat information through music.
Yeah, so I agree, using it,using your brain, is helpful. In
fact, I have a friend who saysabout IMDB. I don't know why
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we're talking about IMDb somuch, but she says I
specifically try not to use itbecause I want to use my brain
to figure out what I'm trying tofigure out. So she like
challenges herself not to useit, which is a great exercise. I
think, yeah,
Chris (14:24):
I wish I could say that I
was challenging myself, but most
of the time I still just don'tlook it up. I'm like, what is
Morgan (14:32):
I will pause the damn
movie. It drives Matt nuts,
Chris (14:34):
speaking of which, in my
mind, that's always been one of
his insane skills, if you like,listening to a song, and he's
like, Oh, yeah. Well, do youremember? This is the drummer
that cooked cherry pie withMartha Stewart in 1985 it was
the her first I'm like, What
Morgan (14:50):
the hell memory? Like a
steel trap, you know? And I was
listening to something recently.
There is actually a condition,not not that Matt has this, but
there is a. Addition, I thinkit's called hyper hyperthermia
or something. And it'sessentially where you have this
intense it's not perfect, butyou have this insane
autobiographical memory,literally, you can say on June
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21 1983 I had a bolognasandwich, and this the weather
was sunny, and at two o'clock Iwent, I mean, you can remember
to that level of detail, whichon the surface looks like, Wow.
Can you that feels like asuperpower to know all of those
things at the same time. Whenyou look at it another way, it's
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like, damn. But I really want toremember every single thing
about my life that's that's alittle extreme. And so there is
a purpose to forgetfulness, andwe can talk about that more in a
little bit, but it's really notall bad.
Chris (15:50):
Well, the slippery slope
to memory also is that there is
sort of the black and whitefacts of, kind of what happens
in a certain event, but thoseare not necessarily what your
memory is. Memory is shiftable,and we shift our memory all the
time without knowing
Morgan (16:08):
it, not to mention that
the actual experience itself is
through a lens of yourperspective,
Chris (16:14):
very subjective, right?
If we both went to a concert, mymemory of that would be
different than yours. Therewould be a lot of overlap, but
you would remember somethingthat I wouldn't, or it would
have a different emotional colorto it than maybe it would for
me. So memory's very, verycomplex that way.
Morgan (16:33):
I love that we're
sitting here trying to figure
out
Chris (16:37):
the brain. I don't even
know how to look up things on
IMDb.
Morgan (16:40):
We don't know shit. We
are literally like little
computers. And once we hitmidlife, we're like the older
model, and our memory is prettymuch full. And so sometimes
these simple little tasks justtake a lot longer or retrieving
something. We have the littlespinny wheel all the time
Chris (16:59):
well, and one of the
gifts that our children give us
is they look at us and they go,you don't remember that.
Morgan (17:06):
Just add that to the
list of criticisms that they
have for us well,
Chris (17:10):
and back to kind of that
deeper fear of losing memory and
developing dementia,Alzheimer's, all of those
things, what I notice myselfdoing as a compensation. And a
lot of times it's really notthat cognitive, but is that
create systems. I have apattern. My routine in the
morning is this, and I make sureI check all these boxes. I don't
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have to remember it as much,because I just know that
routine. It's autopilot. It'sthe autopilot exactly
Morgan (17:38):
that kind of goes into
that part of our brain, the
prefrontal cortex, that isresponsible for decision making,
and all of that we have, we arefaced with, do I do this or do I
do that? Do I have what do Ineed to do next constantly, and
so it just gets overloaded. Andso developing these systems is a
way to bypass that, so thatthere's no decision to be made.
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So there are literal thingsgoing on with your brain, and
that's all well and good. That'sreally not all of it, though. I
think probably what's moreprevalent for us in midlife is
you already named it stress.
Stress causes cortisol to bereleased in your body, which
interferes with memory, soblanking out on stage. But
that's exactly what happens.
Chris (18:21):
Yeah, I can remember,
maybe it was five years ago or
six years ago, and at that timein my life, if I wasn't at work
and I didn't have my computerand I was sitting at dinner
eating chicken parmesan, don'tbe fooled, because I was working
in my head. I was thinking aboutthe email, the this, the that
trying to always plan my nextstep and make sure that
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everything was falling intoplace per my plan, which now
makes me laugh, but that wasgoing on, and I probably work
like that literally for yearswithout really taking a break.
And same thing, by the way, withvacation, because I would always
have my email with me, and itwould be on my phone, and I'd
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constantly checking it, and justnever getting out of that space.
And then one vacation, I thinkit was like my first or second
cruise that I'd ever been on,and I just decided, you know,
that I'm not buying the internetpackage. I'm gonna take a week
and not be on my phone. And theexperience was really a stark
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contrast. I noticed that mywhole like brain process shifted
and I started, things startedflowing to me that I wasn't
necessarily thinking about.
Instead of me just being in thisrut all the time, things were
coming to me and memories that Ihadn't thought about that were
from different parts of my lifeand I hadn't thought about them
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because I was not giving myselfthe space to because I just was
throwing shit in the river. Itwas, you know, like, yeah,
Morgan (19:54):
stress is a real I mean,
that's no secret, right? We're
stressing ourselves out with.
Pressure we sometimes put onourselves to perform and to
succeed, and we've got a lot ofthings that we have to do, which
introduces the idea ofmultitasking, which, by the way,
is a complete and total uttermyth. There is no such thing as
doing things at the same time.
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Your brain actually does switchreal fast back and forth between
tasks, which like, exhausts it,right? And I don't know about
you, but I'm constantly quote,unquote multitasking, and that
can really mess with your shortterm
Chris (20:30):
memory. It's so funny.
Just yesterday, I was talking toa patient, and do you know how
sometimes this may sound alittle loopy, but you're talking
and you're not really payingthat much attention. I think I'm
a very thoughtful persongenerally about what I say, but
sometimes I just, I think moreand more I'm not filtering quite
as heavily, which is probablygood. And so I'm talking to this
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patient, and I said, Yeah, well,I'm retired. I was like, What
did you just say that for andreally the idea is, in my mind,
I am kind of retired. I'm notputting the same emphasis and
stress on getting everythingdone perfectly at work. That
doesn't mean I'm not showing upand trying to do a good job. I
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am, but it's just not the same.
I don't feel that feeling like Idid before I took the cruise
vacation where I just wasdriving myself literally fucking
crazy. It was kind of funny,because I sort of threw myself
off because I wasn't expectingmyself to say that. Why did I
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say that? And that guy'sresponse was like, Oh, well,
congratulations, you know. And
Morgan (21:41):
it was funny sleep
deprivation is another one.
Fortunately, knock on wood, Idon't suffer from this yet, but
I can tell you that my husbandcannot sleep very well stress.
He's plagued. Yeah,
Chris (21:54):
listen to me. I'm like,
Dr Chris, he's stressed. That's
the problem,
Morgan (21:58):
yeah. And of course,
that impacts our ability to
recall information and to reallyconsolidate memory. That's
that's actually when a lot ofmemory stuff happens, is when
you're sleeping, and that's whythey tell you when you study for
a test. I remember this, like indental school, thinking, Okay, I
gotta study for the test, andthen tomorrow it'll sort of
magically be like cemented in alittle bit better. And it
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usually was, you can't pull anall nighter. You gotta, you
gotta get the sleep part in tosort of cement it in place. So
sleep deprivation and just themental clutter, the junk river
that's happening in our brains,all of that stuff sets up the
perfect storm for forgettingcrap. Yeah, and it could be
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useless crap, or it could bereally important crap. So what's
the reframe here? Is there a wayto reframe this, first of all,
and also, is there a way tobetter manage it, to improve it?
I think there is. I think whenyou consider the fact that there
is that much stuff in our brain,we could look at that as like,
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we've been around for a while.
We've been living the full life,and that's why there's so much
stuff in there, yeah. And soit's like putting in a little
bit of that positive spin on it,and the fact that we sort of
need to triage, what's thereally important stuff I need to
remember here, and what's thestuff I can let go of. It's like
your brain sort of automaticallydoes that for you. If it knows,
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it has to pick and choose. Itcan't just hold everything. It's
like, okay, this I'm gonna holdonto, and this I'm gonna let go.
So it's almost like we're betterat seeing the bigger picture and
just taking what we need, whichis a great skill to have.
Chris (23:38):
It is, there's a nugget
there. I mean, it's the fact is,
back to your point of we'velived these lives filled with
memories, and they're in ourbrain somehow. And there's some
beauty to just letting thosethings percolate up. And that
can be really fun if you're kindof keeping your day to day River
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in check. But I think so manytimes in life, we get wrapped up
in what's important. And youknow, all of a sudden, like
making sure that we have theperfect children's pants for the
eighth grade graduation andmaking sure that everybody's on
time for the dance recital andthis and that. And I'm not
saying those things aren'taltogether not important. But if
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you let them become so importantthat you can't sleep at night,
it's probably a little bit of aimbalance.
Morgan (24:29):
You're not seeing the
bigger picture in that case,
right?
Chris (24:33):
And maybe when I say I'm
retired, that's what I'm really
saying to myself, is I'm retiredfrom putting that heavy of a
weight on things that don'tmatter, really, in the end, they
don't matter as much as beingable to sit still and actually
be in a moment, because I'm notas worried about all those
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little things. And that's whatthat cruise vacation story was
for me. It was, it was an Aha.
Moment in that area, like, holycrap. I have this whole part of
my personality that I haveliterally been ignoring because
I'm managing my junk River,
Morgan (25:10):
I know. And at the same
time it's like, the junk river
is there, you know, and it needsto be
Chris (25:16):
managed. And it should be
there to some degree. I'm not
saying it shouldn't be Yeah.
There's
Morgan (25:21):
also this concept of
sort of building emotional
resilience, like back to what isthe gift of forgetting. And I
can tell you, there are thingsnot so pleasant, things that
have happened, at least in mylife, that I can't remember that
well, and that is a blessing. Idon't want to remember that
stuff. So I think havingselective memory can be a good
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thing to help build thatemotional resilience. It keeps
us from getting bogged down.
Chris (25:52):
Yeah, it's a protective
mechanism, yeah.
Morgan (25:55):
So I think reframing it
and seeing the gifts of
forgetting is one step towardssort of accepting what's
happening for a lot of us. Andby the way, it is. It is a lot
of us. We're not alone in this.
And then the other piece is,yeah, we can manage it to some
degree by influencing thosefactors like stress, like how
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much sleep we're getting,exercise, all the wellness crap,
that whole list of stuff thatwe're all quote, supposed to do
that can be helpful too.
Chris (26:26):
So there was this
beautiful moment that happened,
actually just yesterday. Andthere's this group of friends
that we all went to thatboarding school in Oregon when I
was 15 together. And we'recoming up this month on 30 years
three zero.
Morgan (26:46):
Wow, of
Chris (26:47):
graduating from that
school. And there's one guy who
kind of plays the role ofbringing up all the memories. I
mean, it's really great. He'llsend happy birthdays. He's the
organizer. So he sent out thistext like it's been 30 years,
and one of the people in thetext thread who actually isn't
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always the most active, he isalso this adventurous spirit,
and he lives out in Wyoming, orMontana, one of those. And about
an hour later, he responded witha picture of this vast,
beautiful mountain landscape,and said, Yep, I wonder what
we'll be doing in 30 years fromnow, if we'll even be here. I
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was like, Whoa, but thatcollection of texts really
signifies this whole arc, likeon one side, honoring and
remembering where we came fromand those memories, and then on
the other side, honoring thatwe're here for a brief time, and
30 years felt like a blink, and30 more years will probably feel
like another blink, half a
Morgan (27:51):
blink. So I don't know,
Did we learn anything from this?
Are there micronutrients to takefrom this? Or did we just learn
that we're idiots?
Chris (28:00):
Well, I knew that, but
I'm constantly relearning it
because I can't remember it.
That's the real purpose of thispodcast.
Morgan (28:09):
It's the reframe, I
think, for me, that makes a big
difference in terms of justseeing it in a more positive
light and knowing that it'ssomething that we're all going
through to some extent.
Chris (28:19):
Yeah, there's a couple
things here. For me, choosing to
put a lot of weight on certainthings in our lives may be
causing I know in my life, it'scaused me some difficulty at
times. The other thing that Iwas, I was gonna say, kind of
playing back to that darkness,the fear of really, like, losing
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your memory. I think a lot oftimes in midlife, that fear can
start to come up. I know it doesfor me when I'm feeling really
stressed. And the magic is, if Ide stress a little bit and
reframe, then all of a sudden mymemory can kind of magically
come back. So really, what Ifeel like could be a loss of
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memory. I think a lot of timesit really isn't. It's just me
being overloaded. Yeah, and thatidea of I can multitask, I think
at least for me, I can'tmultitask as well as I thought I
could, and I'm starting to justaccept that and not try to do it
(29:26):
as much. Yeah, and there'ssomething really powerful about
that.
Morgan (29:30):
The other one is that
IMDb is really important in
life. I mean, if nothing else,remember that or write it down
in case you can't remember, allright, well,
Chris (29:40):
make sure that you play
Sudoku religiously, yeah, and
don't immediately go to IMDb.
Morgan (29:47):
Instead, you should join
our community, the midlife
mud.com/join Okay, well, we willsee you next time
Chris (29:55):
in the mud. You.