August 26, 2025 • 30 mins
Testosterone isn't just a male hormone—it's a vital life force that gradually declines with age, affecting everything from muscle mass to mood. This eye-opening conversation with Lisa Lounsbury, founder of New Day Wellness, explores the reality of male menopause (andropause) and its profound impact on men's health and relationships.
Unlike female menopause, andropause sneaks in gradually, making it easy to mistake hormonal changes for normal aging. "Men might confuse this loss of hormone with regular aging," Lounsbury explains, "but there is a difference, and we need to educate men so we can have cross-lateral empathy as we transition into aging."
The episode unpacks the five key symptoms men should watch for: mood swings, sleep disturbances, loss of muscle mass, decreased libido, and fatigue. When these symptoms compound, they signal more than just getting older—they represent a biological shift that deserves attention. Lounsbury shares her personal experience testing testosterone levels with her husband, revealing how blood work confirmed what lifestyle changes had suggested.
For men navigating these changes, the message is clear—you don't have to suffer or accept decline as inevitable. Through intentional movement, thoughtful nutrition, and open communication, men can maintain vitality well into their later years. As Lounsbury puts it, "There's so much life to live in your 50s, 60s, and 70s," and watching someone who's given up compared to someone thriving reveals the power of these choices.
Perhaps most importantly, the episode highlights how hormonal changes affect relationships when both partners are experiencing their own versions of menopause. The solution? "When we're open with the biology of what's happening with our bodies, we realize it's not a choice—we're not waking up choosing to be miserable," Lounsbury says. This understanding creates space for empathy, vulnerability, and deeper connection.
Whether you're experiencing these changes yourself or supporting someone who is, this conversation offers practical wisdom for turning a challenging transition into an opportunity for greater health and connection. Listen, learn, and discover why curiosity rather than judgment leads to better aging for everyone.
Lisa Lounsbury is a globally respected Resilience and Well-Being Expert,
Certified Lifestyle, Wellness & Menopause Coach, National Mental Health
Trainer, International Speaker and Founder of New Day Wellness Inc., with
over 30 years of experience empowering leaders and teams to make wellness
a non-negotiable. From competing in a triathlon at the 1992 Pre-Olympic
Games to completing a 350-km solo pilgrimage across Spain’s Camino de
Santiago in 2024, Lisa embodies the resilience she teaches. A trusted speaker
and coach to professionals in mining, healthcare, finance, and government,
she helps organizations strengthen their culture, navigate transitions like
menopause and andropause, and lead with compassion through change.
Author of Making Wellness a Priority, host of the Your Wellness podcast, and a
member of the Canadian Association of Professional Speakers, Lisa delivers
more than motivation—she delivers momentum.
Website: newdaywellness.ca
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Medovia Menopause Podcast, your
trusted source for informationabout menopause and midlife.
Join us each episode, as wehave great conversations with
great people.
Tune in and enjoy the show.
Welcome everyone, we're happyyou're here on the show.
Today we have Lisa Lounsbury,who is a globally respected
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resilience and well-being expert, certified lifestyle wellness
and menopause coach, nationalmental health trainer,
international speaker andfounder of New Day Wellness,
with over 30 years of experienceempowering leaders and teams.
We can't wait to have thisconversation, lisa.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's great to be here .
Thank you, you bet.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Today we are going to talk about a topic that
continues to surface inconversations within our
community as well as with ourclients male menopause.
And we have a lot to covertoday, lisa.
So I want to dive right in tomake sure that all of our
questions are answered.
When you hear the phrase malemenopause, how do you define it
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for clients at New Day Wellness?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I want to preface and start off by saying it's not
the same.
Male menopause is differentthan female menopause in the way
that it's experienced.
It's similar in that it's adecline in our sex hormones.
So that's how I would explainit.
So we all have sex hormones.
The female has the main onesestrogen, progesterone and
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testosterone and the males havetestosterone, and I'm educating
men to explain to them that theydo have a sex hormone that's
going to decline with age andit's not as significant as
females, but it is there and itis something for them to take a
look at and to appreciate whenit comes to the longevity as
they age.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It's a gradual decline of testosterone, right?
That's what I often hear.
Is the difference versus thefemale version of hormone
decline?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's right.
It's gradual and a little bitmore, a little gentler on the
body.
So the men are going to noticea huge change in behavior.
But it's also sneaky because itis gradual and they might
confuse this loss of hormone orthis decline in hormone with
regular aging, and it'simportant to understand that
there is a difference.
It's sometimes hard to identifythe difference, but there is a
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difference and we need toeducate our men on both sides of
the story the menopause and theandropause, which is menopause
for men, so we can havecross-lateral empathy as we
transition into the agingprocess.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And what are the symptoms of andropause?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, there's five main symptoms for men and women
to look out for.
So that's mood swings, which iscommon on both sides of the
spectrum.
Mood swings maybe not doesn'thave to be very dramatic, but a
change in behavior, change incapacity to control your
behavior.
There's changes in sleeppatterns, and these are very
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similar to women as well.
There's loss of muscle mass, adecline in muscle mass.
There's changes in libido aswell.
And then there's a fifth one,and I'm drawing a blank as I say
five, but those are the fourmain ones, and the fifth one
will pop into my head in aminute.
The main ones are consistent,but also similar to aging.
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So we have to really noticewhen we have all of them, when
they're all compounded, that'smore of a sign of andropause as
opposed to one or perhaps twosymptoms.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
How do males differentiate between that
regular everyday stress andburnout and andropause?
If I'm a man and I'm havingtrouble sleeping, I've noticed
that my muscle mass isn't whatit was.
Maybe my libido is lower.
How do I know that this isandropause versus?
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I'm just stressed because I'min midlife.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's really difficult actually and it can boil down
to almost a blood test, and Iknow blood tests aren't always
definitive.
So I did a little test, alittle test on my husband's body
.
I asked him he's 62.
So we had this discussion aboutandropause and we talked about
the symptoms and I've noticedsome of those symptoms and he
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said, well, sure, test on me.
So we went and got him someblood work and it was to test
the levels of testosterone and,based on his age, where it
should be, and it was in adeclining state.
So it was helpful to know thatthere is a clinical diagnosis,
if you want to call it that.
The blood test does reveal achange or a drop in the
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testosterone.
So that just led us toinvestigate a little bit further
, get a little more seriousabout the symptoms and
connecting the dots.
For him and he also had accessto testosterone replacement
therapy with the clinic that wewere visiting.
So the option is there as wellfor men.
Actually it's easier for men toget testosterone replacement
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than for females and we couldtalk about that later.
But he was fascinated with theidea that maybe it's not just
aging, maybe it is a change inhis body's response to his sex
hormone and it gave him a littlebit of optimism and maybe a
little bit of ambition to reallyfocus on reducing this, the, I
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guess the speed of how it'sreducing, like keeping the
muscle mass going, making surehe's eating better and really
focusing on his sleep and alland checking in with his mood
and his libido and those sort ofthings.
So it became a littleheightened experience for him
after going through that littleexperiment.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
A little heightened experience for him after going
through that little experiment.
It's so interesting to me thateven your husband and you, doing
the work that you do, didn'tthink about hormone therapy,
right, didn't think that perhapswhat's happening to me is
hormone related and that's it'svery similar to women as well.
(06:25):
You know, we don't necessarilycorrelate the symptoms that
we're having with hormones orperimenopause, menopause, for
example, but yet here we areright.
It's fascinating.
And really just a comment hereKim, you look like you had
something you wanted to ask.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I was just thinking about some of the
symptoms that you talk about.
What's happening to the malebody seems to be how men often
identify themselves right asstrong, as virile as, and then
all of a sudden it's going theother way around.
That's just an interestingobservation for me that I
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haven't thought about how hardthat must be when that's
happening to you If you don'tknow about it.
A lot like menopause.
A lot of women don't know aboutit, but all of a sudden all of
those symptoms are happening andyou're like what the heck?
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, and I'm sure the stigma and the shame is that
weight is carried as well.
Right, if I don't have a stronglibido, I'm not strong, I don't
feel strong.
Right, kim, to your point.
I would think that that wouldcarry a lot of stigma and shame
as well, and perhaps that's oneof the reasons why males are not
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having conversations with theirhealthcare providers either.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Absolutely and full disclosure.
I wasn't really researchingmale menopause until a year ago.
It wasn't even on my radar.
I honestly didn't even considerit, because I'm so focused on
women's health and managing myown symptoms and women around me
of what okay, this is happeningto women as we age, what's
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happening to men as they age,that wasn't even on my radar.
I didn't have thatconsideration.
I didn't have the compassion, Ireally didn't care.
To be honest with you, I wasdealing with so much of this,
you know, but then I started tosay you know what?
This is a family affair, thisis a partnership if you're in a
relationship with someone who'saging.
So it's only fair to understandnot only the aging process but
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what could be contributing tothese symptoms.
And when they're all showing upall at once, it does affect a
man's ego and who they feel theyare as a provider and a man.
So you know, I want to havecompassion for them as well.
So we have this, like I said,cross-lateral consideration of
each other's symptoms.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, that's great.
What kind of lifestyle patternsdo you see that make the
symptoms better or worse?
I assume it's very similar tomenopause and taking care of
hormones in your body, but arethere some lifestyle things that
men can do during this time?
Lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
things that men can do during this time.
There's always lifestyle habitsthat can support anything, and
this is a great reminder of theimpact and the value of healthy
lifestyles.
So it always comes back to thiswe have to continue to Eat well
, you know.
Eat all the good things.
We all know we should eat.
Exercise well, lift heavy focuson sleep, you know.
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Have healthy conversations withthe people around us, be open
to sharing, drink that water Ithink I already said that and
get that sleep, everything.
And it linked it back toandropause.
And oh, instead of worryingabout andropause creeping in,
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how about we manage it orprepare for it through healthy
lifestyle changes and not juststart those healthy lifestyles
once we hear about andropause,but growing up, knowing, as I'm
aging, I'm going to maintainthis level of health so that
when I hit my 50s and 60s, Idon't have to start a whole new
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program changing my life, youknow, turning my world upside
down.
So it's starting early.
So those listeners who aremaybe not in their 50s and 60s
yet male or female, both gendersthe sooner we develop these
healthy lifestyles, they becomeconsistent and normal, then
we're not panicking.
Oh my gosh, I got to start.
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I got to start.
If you started 20 years ago,you just continue the ride and
maybe you enhance it as you goand make it a little more of a
priority.
But getting those foundationsearly is really going to help
when those symptoms do start tocreep in.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, those lifestyle changes that we often
talk about but that make a hugedifference.
But it's often the hardest, thehardest.
It's hard to change lifestylebecause it's not a light switch
that you can turn off, and itrequires action, it requires
consistency and commitment.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Absolutely and for, like I said, for everything you
know, any, any risk, health riskor emotional risk.
This has to be part of yourlifestyle.
So the sooner you start youknow the better you're going to,
the more successful you'regoing to get.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Absolutely so.
If a man is wondering whetherhormones should be part of his
picture, what are the smartfirst steps?
What should, how do they, howdo they look into this and what
should they do?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, those symptoms that I talked about, you know,
the reduction in muscle mass.
If you just look around, if youlook at a man in his 60s and
70s, you will notice the loss ofmuscle mass.
You'll see the you know, andthe posture will change.
So you can see it.
And then you can tell someonewho's actually has a fitness
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routine of resistance trainingand growing muscles and eating
the proteins.
You can see the difference.
So when those things start tochange, we can notice.
Or it's hard for someone tobring it up to someone else like
geez, you know you don't lookso strong like you do, you know
did 10 years ago.
But the individual cancertainly notice, pay attention
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to how their body's changing andgo okay, this doesn't have to
be this way.
This doesn't have to be therest of my life.
I don't have to continuouslyworry about the decline of my
strength and my ability to havehealthy thoughts and sleeping
and all that stuff.
So if they can individuallytune into their bodies which I
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know a lot of men don'tnecessarily do that on a regular
basis it's not encouraged, Ithink, in my experience.
So I want the men to really payattention to their bodies and
notice when it starts to change,because if you don't pay
attention you're not going tonotice it until you know, 10, 20
years pass.
The next thing you know you'rebreaking a hip like we do and
you're not.
You don't have the balance,you're not sleeping and God
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forbid you lose libido.
So it's up to the man, the malegender, to notice the change
and to talk to someone theytrust about it, and then maybe
even go to a doctor and talkabout it, like wouldn't that be
something if they had thecourage to go in there and say
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you know what I don't feel like?
I think I should feel and havethe talk about hormone
replacement, or not even hormone, but just the decline, maybe
get a blood test, maybe talkabout symptoms.
So it's hard.
I think the individual has tohave a self-assessment as they
age, to notice and be okay withthat, to be honest with
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themselves, saying you know whatI'm not feeling like, I want to
and do something about it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's interesting that you talk about the blood test.
You know, because the menopausesociety for women recommends
that you diagnose based onsymptoms, because your hormones
are all over the place.
I imagine that the blood testfor men is a little bit more
stable because of their hormonesdeclining slowly, that you'd be
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able to really be able to lookat that blood work as a as a
sign of what you're experiencingand it's and it's not something
that you know.
It's going to change over aperiod of time, like what's
happening with women inmenopause.
So is the blood test the firstroute to take?
Is that generally therecommendation?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
of the decline and I've seen the numbers when it
comes to my husband's blood work.
It still starts with thesymptoms, I think, because to
regain the loss of the musclemass and the sleep and the
libido, it can come from healthylifestyle.
It can come from tweaking yourfood intake, taking a look at
your sugar consumption, yourcarbs, your alcohol consumptions
, how much water, like all ofthose healthy lifestyles will
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dramatically support thatdecline.
So I'm not saying and I'm not adoctor, but in my experience
I'm not saying you needtestosterone replacement therapy
to feel better.
I think it's an individualdecision, like it is for women.
I would obviously, in my workas a wellness coach, start with
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the healthy lifestyle choicesfirst and implement those.
If it's super dramatic, like amen's libido dropping off the
map, there's other things thatcan be done for that.
So fortunately, men have otheroptions when it comes to that
and it doesn't necessarily meangoing on testosterone.
So it's an individual journeyand I think they should take a
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look at their lifestyle first.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, and I want to bring it back to and just make
note that it's not just aboutlibido.
I mean, it's important and thatis one important piece of what
we're talking about here in thisconversation.
But yet it's energy levels.
It can be fatigue, it can be.
It comes back to theirritability that you talked
about before and just notfeeling yourself, that low mood,
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the low energy, those are allreal and it can make life really
difficult to even just functionon a daily basis.
And you mentioned earlierrelationships, and I imagine
that it is challenging inrelationships when you have
maybe even both a male and afemale partnership where one's
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going through menopause, theother one's going through
andropause at the same time.
That can make it reallydifficult.
So how, if that's happening,how can partners support one
another through this time period?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I thought of the fifth symptom.
The fifth symptom is fatigue.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I knew it would pop up in my head, so that's the
fifth one is fatigue F for five.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So educate, that's why you are doing such a great
job.
That's why I'm advocating forlongevity and aging and women's
health, because it leaks intomen's health and it leaks into
relationships, healthyrelationships and, knowing what
I know now, my relationship withmy partner.
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We've been together over 30years, my with my husband.
We've grown into this more ofan empathetic partnership, which
is quite extraordinary becausewe're empty nesters now and it's
just the two of us.
So we have time to really digdeep into what's happening with
our brains, with our thoughts oremotions, and really trust each
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other.
That we can be this vulnerableand I'm happy that my husband is
finally at the point where hecan share those vulnerabilities
with me and say you know, Idon't feel as strong as I used
to, or I've noticed you're moreirritable.
I don't feel as strong as Iused to, or I've noticed you're
more irritable.
How can I help you?
So we're at the stage wherewe're.
How can we help each other,instead of saying why are you
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always so miserable and why doyou always do that and those
things, there's just moreempathy both ways.
And this is just my experience,but I do believe.
When we're open with thebiology of what's actually
happening with our body, werealize it's not a choice.
We're not waking up, choosingto be miserable.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Something's changing in our bodies and when we
understand how the male andfemale bodies work as we age,
there's just more compassion.
Yeah, that's a really sweet,sweet way of talking about it,
because there's lots of choices,what happens after empty nest,
right, and so if you choose tounderstand each other at a
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deeper level, I think that's areally sweet story.
So if you were advising a manat this age in his life of you
know what to do, what are whatis like three actionable things
that a man can do to sort ofunderstand what's going on and
what they can do to feel better?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, the first one is acknowledging that it's
something's changing and notaccepting that this is their
fate.
This is all my dad, thishappened to my dad, so I guess
I'm just I'm just going to startto, you know shrivel up and
lose my strength and my, my, myenergy and all that.
It doesn't have to be that way,so that doesn't have to be
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their fate.
So I think men need to beempowered to notice if their
bodies are changing, or whentheir bodies are changing,
because it's going to change andwe notice it and want to do
something about it, not justsaying well, you know, I'm old,
there's so much life to live inyour 50s and 60s and 70s and
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there's a lot of life to liveand if you watch someone age who
has given up, it's really sadto watch someone give up when
you've watched someone whohasn't given up and all the
things they're still achieving.
So I do a lot of hiking.
I've hiked, you know, utah wasone of my favorite hikes and
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just finishing a hike throughSpain myself and I met folks in
their 70s and 80s that areliving life with vitality.
They're hiking theseextraordinary trails because
they can, they haven't given up,and some of these folks I
talked to weren't always healthyand fit.
They have understood that it'snever too late, and so you can
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look at a 75-year-old who hasgiven up or an 80-year-old who's
given up versus a 75 or80-year-old who hasn't given up,
like I have a choice here tomake and I want to be that
person who still wants to traveland see the world and enjoy
their family and all the thingsthat they're still left to enjoy
.
So I went on a tangent.
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So that's the first thing Iwant men to do is acknowledge
and not just give up and knowthat this is not their fate.
And then two is they need tokeep moving their bodies with
purpose, daily, or at leastconsistently.
And again, as we age we startto get new pains and things
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stiffen up and all that stuff.
But I'm a yoga teacher and youare too, ladies.
We need to keep moving ourbodies and I teach yoga to 60,
70, or 80-year-olds who mighthave just started doing yoga for
the first time, but noticingimmediately the impact it's
having.
So men need to realize youdon't have to go to the gym and
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be that boot camp person or doCrossFit.
You don't have to do thoseextreme sports, because that's
when you get hurt.
That's what my husband did.
He thought he could do CrossFitand do it like a 20-year-old.
Next thing you know, he's got aback injury.
So moving their body, but beingresponsible and caring for
their body, so acknowledgingthat they're aging, moving their
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body and back to food.
Back to food, eating good,healthy proteins, bringing in
those plants and drinking thatwater and reducing the alcohol,
like those are things they allknow they need to do, but that
when you put those trifectastogether, magic happens.
Magic happens, and it's science, it's biology.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, great, yeah, and you don't have to suffer.
I heard that several times asyou were giving that recap that
you don't you don't have tosuffer.
I heard that several times asyou were giving that recap that
you don't have to suffer.
When you make the choice, thereare things that you can do to
feel better.
Notice, be aware we talk aboutthat often with our clients.
Be aware of what's happening toyour body.
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Take the time to notice, right,track your symptoms, write it
down and be aware of what makesthem more intense.
What are your habits that arereally increasing those symptoms
?
And then move your body right.
Move, get up off the couch.
I was just having thisconversation with my 22-year-old
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night and her fiance makingthem do the.
How many times can you get upand down from the couch?
Just up and down, up and down,up and down.
Right, balance on one foot.
Those things go away as we age,but we have to keep moving our
body right.
And then food you know itoftentimes comes back nutrition,
what we're putting in ourbodies and how are we fueling.
It's really important.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I often use the term eat like your life depends on it
because it does so every choiceyou're making.
Is this going to help or hindermy body as you're eating it?
Is this piece, is this chickenleg worthy of my health?
And you might tell yourself yes, you might tell yourself no,
but eat like your life dependson it is kind of a concept I
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like to instill.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I love that.
So before we went on air I wastalking about, I just celebrated
my dad's 80th birthday and mydad walks every day like miles a
day as part of his exercise orhis life routine and he's going
to outlaw us all like he'shealthy as a horse and uh.
So I've had really goodexamples of how to take care of
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yourself.
But you know I he is comparedto other 80 year olds.
He is, you know, able to do allthe things that he wants to do
because he's kept on moving andI love that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
All the things that he wants to do because he's kept
on moving, and I love that.
Yeah, it's a reminder to go forour walks today too.
Yes, exactly we need to moveour bodies as well.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And I like what Kim said.
But Kim said something reallyimpactful.
Yeah, when you consider itexercise, when you call it
exercise, it sounds hard, itsounds very difficult to do, but
when it's just part of yourlife, it's so much easier.
So your father's walking.
He's not going out to exercise,he's just walking because
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that's just part of hislifestyle and it becomes just
part of his day and I wantpeople to figure out how to do
that so it doesn't feel like youhave to exercise.
It's a bad word for some peopleand just moving your body in a
way that's just part of your dayis more sustainable.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, and it's a good longevity plan.
His 80th birthday was last weekand I watched him play football
on the beach with my you know,last week.
And I watched him play footballon the beach with my you know
eight-year-old nephew and he was, you know, on it and so great
and I'm like that is what I want.
You know, I want to be able todo that with my grandkids.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So get to the gym, go for the walks it's just a
pickleball.
Get your standup paddleboardout, go hiking.
How many great things to do.
Lisa, this is a greatconversation.
I'm so glad that we had you ontoday.
Male menopause is really notrecognized often.
It's misunderstood for all ofthe males in our life that we
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love so much and so dearly to goseek help if they need it.
Change those lifestyle habits.
You don't have to suffer, youdon't have to feel bad.
There are solutions and Ireally appreciate you bringing
awareness to this topic.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
How can people find you?
I'm everywhere On Instagram.
I am the wellness lady.
You can find me on the wellnesslady channel.
I love that called a channel.
Linkedin, lisa Lounsbury.
I'm on LinkedIn regularly.
I have a YouTube channel.
So if you just type LisaLounsbury, you might, you should
find me.
Hopefully you might find someother Lisa Lounsbury.
You should find me.
Hopefully you might find someother Lisa Lounsburys.
But I'm there.
New Day Wellness is my company.
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Where else am I?
Twitter or X Lisa.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You can find me anywhere and I have lots of
videos.
I'm sharing a lot of videos sopeople can just get a sense of
hope coming from my perspectiveand offering it to those who
want to hear it, because I'mhonored to have all these
platforms to be able to sharewhat I've learned over the years
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and talking to experts likeyourself, and I transfer that
knowledge on to those who wantto hear it.
And I transfer that knowledgeon to those who want to hear it.
So I have a book as well that'sreally helping folks to create
a sustainable lifestyle.
Making wellness a priority hasbeen an effective methodology
for folks to stop making excusesand start and stop stopping
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kind of thing, that consistency.
So that's been very helpful aswell.
And where can they find thebook?
Oh, they can find it on Amazon,amazoncom, amazonca all the
different Amazons in the UK andaround the world and you could
also find it on my website,newdaywellnessca.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay, perfect, and it's Lisa Lounsbury,
l-o-u-n-s-b-u-r-y.
That's right, just forlisteners if you're Googling.
Okay, before we let you go,lisa, the last question that we
ask all of our guests is whatthe best piece of advice you've
ever received or given has been.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I've received so much good advice over the years, but
when you asked me this question, initially I panicked and then
I'm like I'm just going to sharethe first thing that popped in
my head, and that is a quotethat I'm sharing with others,
and it's from Ted Lasso, whichhas become my favorite TV show.
He's become a mentor indirectlyto me as a leader, and one of
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his quotes is be curious, notjudgmental.
Ask more questions, because weare very judgmental as a society
and I feel we can be morecompassionate and more empathy
if we lead with curiosity.
First, make your judgment later, make that later in the
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conversation, but show up withcuriosity.
That's great, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That show is pretty.
I mean the writing and theintention of that show is.
There's a lot of inspirationthere, but I love that you
brought that up.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Thanks for asking, of course, love that you brought
that up.
Thanks for asking, of course.
Well, lisa.
Thank you once again.
Listeners, until we meet again,go find joy in the journey,
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Today we have Lisa Lounsbury,who is a globally respected
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resilience and well-being expert, certified lifestyle wellness
and menopause coach, nationalmental health trainer,
international speaker andfounder of New Day Wellness,
with over 30 years of experienceempowering leaders and teams.
We can't wait to have thisconversation, lisa.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's great to be here .
Thank you, you bet.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Today we are going to talk about a topic that
continues to surface inconversations within our
community as well as with ourclients male menopause.
And we have a lot to covertoday, lisa.
So I want to dive right in tomake sure that all of our
questions are answered.
When you hear the phrase malemenopause, how do you define it
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for clients at New Day Wellness?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I want to preface and start off by saying it's not
the same.
Male menopause is differentthan female menopause in the way
that it's experienced.
It's similar in that it's adecline in our sex hormones.
So that's how I would explainit.
So we all have sex hormones.
The female has the main onesestrogen, progesterone and
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testosterone and the males havetestosterone, and I'm educating
men to explain to them that theydo have a sex hormone that's
going to decline with age andit's not as significant as
females, but it is there and itis something for them to take a
look at and to appreciate whenit comes to the longevity as
they age.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It's a gradual decline of testosterone, right?
That's what I often hear.
Is the difference versus thefemale version of hormone
decline?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's right.
It's gradual and a little bitmore, a little gentler on the
body.
So the men are going to noticea huge change in behavior.
But it's also sneaky because itis gradual and they might
confuse this loss of hormone orthis decline in hormone with
regular aging, and it'simportant to understand that
there is a difference.
It's sometimes hard to identifythe difference, but there is a
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difference and we need toeducate our men on both sides of
the story the menopause and theandropause, which is menopause
for men, so we can havecross-lateral empathy as we
transition into the agingprocess.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
And what are the symptoms of andropause?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, there's five main symptoms for men and women
to look out for.
So that's mood swings, which iscommon on both sides of the
spectrum.
Mood swings maybe not doesn'thave to be very dramatic, but a
change in behavior, change incapacity to control your
behavior.
There's changes in sleeppatterns, and these are very
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similar to women as well.
There's loss of muscle mass, adecline in muscle mass.
There's changes in libido aswell.
And then there's a fifth one,and I'm drawing a blank as I say
five, but those are the fourmain ones, and the fifth one
will pop into my head in aminute.
The main ones are consistent,but also similar to aging.
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So we have to really noticewhen we have all of them, when
they're all compounded, that'smore of a sign of andropause as
opposed to one or perhaps twosymptoms.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
How do males differentiate between that
regular everyday stress andburnout and andropause?
If I'm a man and I'm havingtrouble sleeping, I've noticed
that my muscle mass isn't whatit was.
Maybe my libido is lower.
How do I know that this isandropause versus?
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I'm just stressed because I'min midlife.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's really difficult actually and it can boil down
to almost a blood test, and Iknow blood tests aren't always
definitive.
So I did a little test, alittle test on my husband's body
.
I asked him he's 62.
So we had this discussion aboutandropause and we talked about
the symptoms and I've noticedsome of those symptoms and he
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said, well, sure, test on me.
So we went and got him someblood work and it was to test
the levels of testosterone and,based on his age, where it
should be, and it was in adeclining state.
So it was helpful to know thatthere is a clinical diagnosis,
if you want to call it that.
The blood test does reveal achange or a drop in the
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testosterone.
So that just led us toinvestigate a little bit further
, get a little more seriousabout the symptoms and
connecting the dots.
For him and he also had accessto testosterone replacement
therapy with the clinic that wewere visiting.
So the option is there as wellfor men.
Actually it's easier for men toget testosterone replacement
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than for females and we couldtalk about that later.
But he was fascinated with theidea that maybe it's not just
aging, maybe it is a change inhis body's response to his sex
hormone and it gave him a littlebit of optimism and maybe a
little bit of ambition to reallyfocus on reducing this, the, I
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guess the speed of how it'sreducing, like keeping the
muscle mass going, making surehe's eating better and really
focusing on his sleep and alland checking in with his mood
and his libido and those sort ofthings.
So it became a littleheightened experience for him
after going through that littleexperiment.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
A little heightened experience for him after going
through that little experiment.
It's so interesting to me thateven your husband and you, doing
the work that you do, didn'tthink about hormone therapy,
right, didn't think that perhapswhat's happening to me is
hormone related and that's it'svery similar to women as well.
(06:25):
You know, we don't necessarilycorrelate the symptoms that
we're having with hormones orperimenopause, menopause, for
example, but yet here we areright.
It's fascinating.
And really just a comment hereKim, you look like you had
something you wanted to ask.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I was just thinking about some of the
symptoms that you talk about.
What's happening to the malebody seems to be how men often
identify themselves right asstrong, as virile as, and then
all of a sudden it's going theother way around.
That's just an interestingobservation for me that I
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haven't thought about how hardthat must be when that's
happening to you If you don'tknow about it.
A lot like menopause.
A lot of women don't know aboutit, but all of a sudden all of
those symptoms are happening andyou're like what the heck?
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, and I'm sure the stigma and the shame is that
weight is carried as well.
Right, if I don't have a stronglibido, I'm not strong, I don't
feel strong.
Right, kim, to your point.
I would think that that wouldcarry a lot of stigma and shame
as well, and perhaps that's oneof the reasons why males are not
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having conversations with theirhealthcare providers either.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Absolutely and full disclosure.
I wasn't really researchingmale menopause until a year ago.
It wasn't even on my radar.
I honestly didn't even considerit, because I'm so focused on
women's health and managing myown symptoms and women around me
of what okay, this is happeningto women as we age, what's
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happening to men as they age,that wasn't even on my radar.
I didn't have thatconsideration.
I didn't have the compassion, Ireally didn't care.
To be honest with you, I wasdealing with so much of this,
you know, but then I started tosay you know what?
This is a family affair, thisis a partnership if you're in a
relationship with someone who'saging.
So it's only fair to understandnot only the aging process but
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what could be contributing tothese symptoms.
And when they're all showing upall at once, it does affect a
man's ego and who they feel theyare as a provider and a man.
So you know, I want to havecompassion for them as well.
So we have this, like I said,cross-lateral consideration of
each other's symptoms.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, that's great.
What kind of lifestyle patternsdo you see that make the
symptoms better or worse?
I assume it's very similar tomenopause and taking care of
hormones in your body, but arethere some lifestyle things that
men can do during this time?
Lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
things that men can do during this time.
There's always lifestyle habitsthat can support anything, and
this is a great reminder of theimpact and the value of healthy
lifestyles.
So it always comes back to thiswe have to continue to Eat well
, you know.
Eat all the good things.
We all know we should eat.
Exercise well, lift heavy focuson sleep, you know.
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Have healthy conversations withthe people around us, be open
to sharing, drink that water Ithink I already said that and
get that sleep, everything.
And it linked it back toandropause.
And oh, instead of worryingabout andropause creeping in,
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how about we manage it orprepare for it through healthy
lifestyle changes and not juststart those healthy lifestyles
once we hear about andropause,but growing up, knowing, as I'm
aging, I'm going to maintainthis level of health so that
when I hit my 50s and 60s, Idon't have to start a whole new
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program changing my life, youknow, turning my world upside
down.
So it's starting early.
So those listeners who aremaybe not in their 50s and 60s
yet male or female, both gendersthe sooner we develop these
healthy lifestyles, they becomeconsistent and normal, then
we're not panicking.
Oh my gosh, I got to start.
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I got to start.
If you started 20 years ago,you just continue the ride and
maybe you enhance it as you goand make it a little more of a
priority.
But getting those foundationsearly is really going to help
when those symptoms do start tocreep in.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, those lifestyle changes that we often
talk about but that make a hugedifference.
But it's often the hardest, thehardest.
It's hard to change lifestylebecause it's not a light switch
that you can turn off, and itrequires action, it requires
consistency and commitment.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Absolutely and for, like I said, for everything you
know, any, any risk, health riskor emotional risk.
This has to be part of yourlifestyle.
So the sooner you start youknow the better you're going to,
the more successful you'regoing to get.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Absolutely so.
If a man is wondering whetherhormones should be part of his
picture, what are the smartfirst steps?
What should, how do they, howdo they look into this and what
should they do?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, those symptoms that I talked about, you know,
the reduction in muscle mass.
If you just look around, if youlook at a man in his 60s and
70s, you will notice the loss ofmuscle mass.
You'll see the you know, andthe posture will change.
So you can see it.
And then you can tell someonewho's actually has a fitness
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routine of resistance trainingand growing muscles and eating
the proteins.
You can see the difference.
So when those things start tochange, we can notice.
Or it's hard for someone tobring it up to someone else like
geez, you know you don't lookso strong like you do, you know
did 10 years ago.
But the individual cancertainly notice, pay attention
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to how their body's changing andgo okay, this doesn't have to
be this way.
This doesn't have to be therest of my life.
I don't have to continuouslyworry about the decline of my
strength and my ability to havehealthy thoughts and sleeping
and all that stuff.
So if they can individuallytune into their bodies which I
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know a lot of men don'tnecessarily do that on a regular
basis it's not encouraged, Ithink, in my experience.
So I want the men to really payattention to their bodies and
notice when it starts to change,because if you don't pay
attention you're not going tonotice it until you know, 10, 20
years pass.
The next thing you know you'rebreaking a hip like we do and
you're not.
You don't have the balance,you're not sleeping and God
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forbid you lose libido.
So it's up to the man, the malegender, to notice the change
and to talk to someone theytrust about it, and then maybe
even go to a doctor and talkabout it, like wouldn't that be
something if they had thecourage to go in there and say
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you know what I don't feel like?
I think I should feel and havethe talk about hormone
replacement, or not even hormone, but just the decline, maybe
get a blood test, maybe talkabout symptoms.
So it's hard.
I think the individual has tohave a self-assessment as they
age, to notice and be okay withthat, to be honest with
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themselves, saying you know whatI'm not feeling like, I want to
and do something about it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's interesting that you talk about the blood test.
You know, because the menopausesociety for women recommends
that you diagnose based onsymptoms, because your hormones
are all over the place.
I imagine that the blood testfor men is a little bit more
stable because of their hormonesdeclining slowly, that you'd be
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able to really be able to lookat that blood work as a as a
sign of what you're experiencingand it's and it's not something
that you know.
It's going to change over aperiod of time, like what's
happening with women inmenopause.
So is the blood test the firstroute to take?
Is that generally therecommendation?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
of the decline and I've seen the numbers when it
comes to my husband's blood work.
It still starts with thesymptoms, I think, because to
regain the loss of the musclemass and the sleep and the
libido, it can come from healthylifestyle.
It can come from tweaking yourfood intake, taking a look at
your sugar consumption, yourcarbs, your alcohol consumptions
, how much water, like all ofthose healthy lifestyles will
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dramatically support thatdecline.
So I'm not saying and I'm not adoctor, but in my experience
I'm not saying you needtestosterone replacement therapy
to feel better.
I think it's an individualdecision, like it is for women.
I would obviously, in my workas a wellness coach, start with
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the healthy lifestyle choicesfirst and implement those.
If it's super dramatic, like amen's libido dropping off the
map, there's other things thatcan be done for that.
So fortunately, men have otheroptions when it comes to that
and it doesn't necessarily meangoing on testosterone.
So it's an individual journeyand I think they should take a
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look at their lifestyle first.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, and I want to bring it back to and just make
note that it's not just aboutlibido.
I mean, it's important and thatis one important piece of what
we're talking about here in thisconversation.
But yet it's energy levels.
It can be fatigue, it can be.
It comes back to theirritability that you talked
about before and just notfeeling yourself, that low mood,
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the low energy, those are allreal and it can make life really
difficult to even just functionon a daily basis.
And you mentioned earlierrelationships, and I imagine
that it is challenging inrelationships when you have
maybe even both a male and afemale partnership where one's
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going through menopause, theother one's going through
andropause at the same time.
That can make it reallydifficult.
So how, if that's happening,how can partners support one
another through this time period?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I thought of the fifth symptom.
The fifth symptom is fatigue.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I knew it would pop up in my head, so that's the
fifth one is fatigue F for five.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So educate, that's why you are doing such a great
job.
That's why I'm advocating forlongevity and aging and women's
health, because it leaks intomen's health and it leaks into
relationships, healthyrelationships and, knowing what
I know now, my relationship withmy partner.
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We've been together over 30years, my with my husband.
We've grown into this more ofan empathetic partnership, which
is quite extraordinary becausewe're empty nesters now and it's
just the two of us.
So we have time to really digdeep into what's happening with
our brains, with our thoughts oremotions, and really trust each
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other.
That we can be this vulnerableand I'm happy that my husband is
finally at the point where hecan share those vulnerabilities
with me and say you know, Idon't feel as strong as I used
to, or I've noticed you're moreirritable.
I don't feel as strong as Iused to, or I've noticed you're
more irritable.
How can I help you?
So we're at the stage wherewe're.
How can we help each other,instead of saying why are you
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always so miserable and why doyou always do that and those
things, there's just moreempathy both ways.
And this is just my experience,but I do believe.
When we're open with thebiology of what's actually
happening with our body, werealize it's not a choice.
We're not waking up, choosingto be miserable.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Something's changing in our bodies and when we
understand how the male andfemale bodies work as we age,
there's just more compassion.
Yeah, that's a really sweet,sweet way of talking about it,
because there's lots of choices,what happens after empty nest,
right, and so if you choose tounderstand each other at a
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deeper level, I think that's areally sweet story.
So if you were advising a manat this age in his life of you
know what to do, what are whatis like three actionable things
that a man can do to sort ofunderstand what's going on and
what they can do to feel better?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, the first one is acknowledging that it's
something's changing and notaccepting that this is their
fate.
This is all my dad, thishappened to my dad, so I guess
I'm just I'm just going to startto, you know shrivel up and
lose my strength and my, my, myenergy and all that.
It doesn't have to be that way,so that doesn't have to be
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their fate.
So I think men need to beempowered to notice if their
bodies are changing, or whentheir bodies are changing,
because it's going to change andwe notice it and want to do
something about it, not justsaying well, you know, I'm old,
there's so much life to live inyour 50s and 60s and 70s and
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there's a lot of life to liveand if you watch someone age who
has given up, it's really sadto watch someone give up when
you've watched someone whohasn't given up and all the
things they're still achieving.
So I do a lot of hiking.
I've hiked, you know, utah wasone of my favorite hikes and
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just finishing a hike throughSpain myself and I met folks in
their 70s and 80s that areliving life with vitality.
They're hiking theseextraordinary trails because
they can, they haven't given up,and some of these folks I
talked to weren't always healthyand fit.
They have understood that it'snever too late, and so you can
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look at a 75-year-old who hasgiven up or an 80-year-old who's
given up versus a 75 or80-year-old who hasn't given up,
like I have a choice here tomake and I want to be that
person who still wants to traveland see the world and enjoy
their family and all the thingsthat they're still left to enjoy
.
So I went on a tangent.
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So that's the first thing Iwant men to do is acknowledge
and not just give up and knowthat this is not their fate.
And then two is they need tokeep moving their bodies with
purpose, daily, or at leastconsistently.
And again, as we age we startto get new pains and things
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stiffen up and all that stuff.
But I'm a yoga teacher and youare too, ladies.
We need to keep moving ourbodies and I teach yoga to 60,
70, or 80-year-olds who mighthave just started doing yoga for
the first time, but noticingimmediately the impact it's
having.
So men need to realize youdon't have to go to the gym and
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be that boot camp person or doCrossFit.
You don't have to do thoseextreme sports, because that's
when you get hurt.
That's what my husband did.
He thought he could do CrossFitand do it like a 20-year-old.
Next thing you know, he's got aback injury.
So moving their body, but beingresponsible and caring for
their body, so acknowledgingthat they're aging, moving their
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body and back to food.
Back to food, eating good,healthy proteins, bringing in
those plants and drinking thatwater and reducing the alcohol,
like those are things they allknow they need to do, but that
when you put those trifectastogether, magic happens.
Magic happens, and it's science, it's biology.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, great, yeah, and you don't have to suffer.
I heard that several times asyou were giving that recap that
you don't you don't have tosuffer.
I heard that several times asyou were giving that recap that
you don't have to suffer.
When you make the choice, thereare things that you can do to
feel better.
Notice, be aware we talk aboutthat often with our clients.
Be aware of what's happening toyour body.
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Take the time to notice, right,track your symptoms, write it
down and be aware of what makesthem more intense.
What are your habits that arereally increasing those symptoms
?
And then move your body right.
Move, get up off the couch.
I was just having thisconversation with my 22-year-old
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night and her fiance makingthem do the.
How many times can you get upand down from the couch?
Just up and down, up and down,up and down.
Right, balance on one foot.
Those things go away as we age,but we have to keep moving our
body right.
And then food you know itoftentimes comes back nutrition,
what we're putting in ourbodies and how are we fueling.
It's really important.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I often use the term eat like your life depends on it
because it does so every choiceyou're making.
Is this going to help or hindermy body as you're eating it?
Is this piece, is this chickenleg worthy of my health?
And you might tell yourself yes, you might tell yourself no,
but eat like your life dependson it is kind of a concept I
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like to instill.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I love that.
So before we went on air I wastalking about, I just celebrated
my dad's 80th birthday and mydad walks every day like miles a
day as part of his exercise orhis life routine and he's going
to outlaw us all like he'shealthy as a horse and uh.
So I've had really goodexamples of how to take care of
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yourself.
But you know I he is comparedto other 80 year olds.
He is, you know, able to do allthe things that he wants to do
because he's kept on moving andI love that.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
All the things that he wants to do because he's kept
on moving, and I love that.
Yeah, it's a reminder to go forour walks today too.
Yes, exactly we need to moveour bodies as well.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And I like what Kim said.
But Kim said something reallyimpactful.
Yeah, when you consider itexercise, when you call it
exercise, it sounds hard, itsounds very difficult to do, but
when it's just part of yourlife, it's so much easier.
So your father's walking.
He's not going out to exercise,he's just walking because
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that's just part of hislifestyle and it becomes just
part of his day and I wantpeople to figure out how to do
that so it doesn't feel like youhave to exercise.
It's a bad word for some peopleand just moving your body in a
way that's just part of your dayis more sustainable.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, and it's a good longevity plan.
His 80th birthday was last weekand I watched him play football
on the beach with my you know,last week.
And I watched him play footballon the beach with my you know
eight-year-old nephew and he was, you know, on it and so great
and I'm like that is what I want.
You know, I want to be able todo that with my grandkids.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So get to the gym, go for the walks it's just a
pickleball.
Get your standup paddleboardout, go hiking.
How many great things to do.
Lisa, this is a greatconversation.
I'm so glad that we had you ontoday.
Male menopause is really notrecognized often.
It's misunderstood for all ofthe males in our life that we
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love so much and so dearly to goseek help if they need it.
Change those lifestyle habits.
You don't have to suffer, youdon't have to feel bad.
There are solutions and Ireally appreciate you bringing
awareness to this topic.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
How can people find you?
I'm everywhere On Instagram.
I am the wellness lady.
You can find me on the wellnesslady channel.
I love that called a channel.
Linkedin, lisa Lounsbury.
I'm on LinkedIn regularly.
I have a YouTube channel.
So if you just type LisaLounsbury, you might, you should
find me.
Hopefully you might find someother Lisa Lounsbury.
You should find me.
Hopefully you might find someother Lisa Lounsburys.
But I'm there.
New Day Wellness is my company.
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Where else am I?
Twitter or X Lisa.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You're everywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
You can find me anywhere and I have lots of
videos.
I'm sharing a lot of videos sopeople can just get a sense of
hope coming from my perspectiveand offering it to those who
want to hear it, because I'mhonored to have all these
platforms to be able to sharewhat I've learned over the years
(27:32):
and talking to experts likeyourself, and I transfer that
knowledge on to those who wantto hear it.
And I transfer that knowledgeon to those who want to hear it.
So I have a book as well that'sreally helping folks to create
a sustainable lifestyle.
Making wellness a priority hasbeen an effective methodology
for folks to stop making excusesand start and stop stopping
(27:57):
kind of thing, that consistency.
So that's been very helpful aswell.
And where can they find thebook?
Oh, they can find it on Amazon,amazoncom, amazonca all the
different Amazons in the UK andaround the world and you could
also find it on my website,newdaywellnessca.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Okay, perfect, and it's Lisa Lounsbury,
l-o-u-n-s-b-u-r-y.
That's right, just forlisteners if you're Googling.
Okay, before we let you go,lisa, the last question that we
ask all of our guests is whatthe best piece of advice you've
ever received or given has been.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I've received so much good advice over the years, but
when you asked me this question, initially I panicked and then
I'm like I'm just going to sharethe first thing that popped in
my head, and that is a quotethat I'm sharing with others,
and it's from Ted Lasso, whichhas become my favorite TV show.
He's become a mentor indirectlyto me as a leader, and one of
(28:59):
his quotes is be curious, notjudgmental.
Ask more questions, because weare very judgmental as a society
and I feel we can be morecompassionate and more empathy
if we lead with curiosity.
First, make your judgment later, make that later in the
(29:21):
conversation, but show up withcuriosity.
That's great, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That show is pretty.
I mean the writing and theintention of that show is.
There's a lot of inspirationthere, but I love that you
brought that up.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Thanks for asking, of course, love that you brought
that up.
Thanks for asking, of course.
Well, lisa.
Thank you once again.
Listeners, until we meet again,go find joy in the journey,
take care.
Thank you for listening to theMedovia menopause podcast.
If you enjoyed today's show,please give it a thumbs up.
(29:56):
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