S2 E12: The Confessions of Two Psychic Mediums - The Tarot Reading Tales

Joining me for the twelfth episode of the season is another new spiritual friend from across the pond in Great Britain, Bexy (Bex) Jones! Bex is also the host of her own podcast, Confessions of a Tarot Reader, which I recorded an episode for before this episode was recorded. Whenever that episode is released, I'll link it here!

Bex and I discuss how she got into this field of being a spiritual practitioner, general spiritual icks that we disagree with, confessions as two very different tarot readers, and general shop talk shenanigans that came up during our conversation!

Having Bex on was such a pleasure - look forward to more collaborative content between the two of us! Check out the various places that you can find her for a professional tarot reading or to listen to her highly entertaining and informative podcast!

Website: https://bextarot.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bex_tarot/

Threads: https://www.threads.com/@bex_tarot

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@bex_tarot

Podcast - Confessions of a Tarot Reader:

https://open.spotify.com/show/72NQ1NsC8MZw9B7MVgP7TO

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/confessions-of-a-tarot-reader/id1756345406

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome back to the Mindful Sagittarian podcast.
I'm Sally and I have a special treat for all of you listeners
on this day. Have Bexy Jones with me today.
Hi, thanks for coming on. Bex is an amazing tarot reader,
has her own podcast called Confessions of a Tarot Reader,
which I was more than happy to go on and talk about my chaotic

(00:23):
life and my spiritual journey. I am super fortunate to have met
someone so vibrant and amazing and has such a great personality
and a great sense of humor, which probably means you have a
dark sense of humor too like I do because of all the trauma.
Bex's based out of London in theUK, one of the international

(00:44):
connections I've made recently. But you're originally from the
US, correct? Yes, exactly.
I was born and raised in California.
After college I moved to New York, NY, New York City.
I lived and worked there for a long time and then life
eventually brought me over to the UKI thought I'd be in the UK
for a couple of years, but two years turned into quite a few
more, so here we are. I love that for you.

(01:05):
Just spiritually aligned. It just ended up happening and
we're both California girls. I have my In and Out Burger
shirt on today. We had represent West Coast,
West Coast. Yes, and I am so excited to get
into what we're going to get into today.
So guys, this is the first time I've had a fellow Tara reader
and psychic medium on the show. And I figured we could do a

(01:27):
little shop talk and also, as you suggested, kind of like a
choose your own adventure kind of episode here.
So whatever the flavor may be, you know, hang on to your
diapies, babies. We're going in.
So yeah, yeah, let's, let's do it.
So I'm chaotic. I totally forgot to give you
some time and space to introduceyourself.

(01:48):
So Bex, what do you want the listeners to know about you?
Sally, I don't mind. I like to be kept on my toes.
I I like a plot twist. So as you mentioned, I go by
Bex. Bex is short for Rebecca.
I am a psychic medium. I'm a tarot reader and I'm also
something called an evidential medium where I work with our
loved ones in spirit. I also AM an animal communicator

(02:11):
and this and a channeler with training wheels.
That's the newest, that's the newest modality on the block.
So that's how I would describe myself.
But yes, I can confirm I do havea good sense of humor and a dark
sense of humor as well. Why not both?
Why not? Yeah, why?
Who says I have to You know, whosays I have to just choose one?

(02:32):
But Sally, I have in the Spirit of Chaos and choose your own
Adventure question for you as a psychic medium, when you get
into shared transport service, whether it's Lyft or Uber, do
you or do you not tap into that information?
So it's interesting that you asked me that.
It's like you're psychic or something and just knew that I
have had experiences with this. I actually have been driving for

(02:54):
Uber part time for a long time, on and off.
Yeah, that. Is so cool, so many questions.
And I am here to answer all of the questions if I can.
So when the gig economy became like a thing and I was kind of
out of work for a little bit because I had had a workplace
injury when I used to work at Starbucks and I was just kind of
waiting around for workers comp,I decided to start Ubering.

(03:15):
And then I did like DoorDash corporate for a little while,
work for Favor that's based out of Texas.
And anyway, so Uber did have some experiences recently after
my spiritual reawakening, I actually had an evening where I
was giving this young lady a ride home.
Wow, you sound like an old person.
I was giving this girl a ride home from the gym.
I picked her up at, I think it was Crunch Fitness and it was

(03:39):
funny because I pulled up and I was about to let her into the
car but I saw someone with her so I was like OK cool, they're 2
girls, no big deal. I felt the second passenger get
in on the driver side and the main passenger got in on the
opposite side so I was like OK cool.
So we're just chit chatting. We're sitting back and forth and
I'm thinking OK cool. Like I'm going to talk to both

(04:01):
of these girls. Like they're probably just going
home after the night at the gym,yada, yada, yada.
So I get closer to her house, which is pretty close to mine.
And it was great because it was like last night at the last ride
of the night. It's on my way home.
That's great alignment. Freaking awesome.
As I'm pulling up to her house, she's giving me like some
restaurant suggestions. And we're talking like in like
back and forth. I'm like, oh, you guys, blah,

(04:23):
blah, blah, blah, blah. Are you girls that she's
answering me like, yeah, totally.
Yeah, us both blah, blah, blah. And I pulled a better house and
I'm like, hey, have a great evening.
I hope you guys have a good night.
She was like, OK, thank you. Gets out of the car.
Meanwhile, for safety reasons, Ihad my roommate on my Airpod.
And I was talking and I turned around to make sure, you know,
both passengers got out safely. So how about I only see one

(04:45):
person and it was the main passenger and I was like, OK,
And I looked and like I didn't. I just realized like I didn't
hear my car door open and close on the other side.
So I was like, OK, maybe they both got out at the same time.
No, I turned around. I see the girl walking up back
towards her house, but I see herkind of like turning kind of
sideways, like she's talking to somebody.

(05:06):
And I realized I had a ghost passenger in my car.
Yeah. And yeah, I picked up some
reads. And, you know, my friend is also
a psychic medium, so just not professionally.
So I was like, bro, like, what in the fuck just happened?
And I was getting reads. And, you know, I don't actively
try to pursue reads when I'm, you know, humoring because

(05:27):
that's considered work. So I'm not trying to work while
I'm working, right? It happens anyway.
But anyway, I got these reads that it was either her sister or
her best friend who had died. And I figured out it was her
best friend. And literally, they were so
close that, like, even in death,she hadn't left yet.
Yeah. And the girl is very aware that

(05:49):
her best friend is with her. So that was like, a moment for
me. I was just like, me living in
Savannah, GA I'm going to see some wild things, and I'm going
to feel some wild things. But that was the wildest,
ghostliest experience I've ever had being an Uber driver.
And I haven't really had any anything happened since then.
I mean, I've had some feelings of people floating around

(06:09):
outside of the car because I shield my car as as we all
should. Yeah, I I don't know, I haven't
ubered in a little bit, but thatjust sticks with me because for
someone who is young, because she seemed like she was maybe
like 2021, just really young to live in a city like Savannah,

(06:31):
GA, that is super spooky and like be very aware that a ghost
is with you. I'm just like, are you woo woo
or are you just like grieving right, You know, and let's.
Pause on that for a moment. Are you, are you grieving?
I think that's a really profoundquestion because some
experiences that we have, we, especially if you're not already

(06:54):
identifying as a woo woo woo technical term, grief can
transport you into that space. It did for me.
It did for me. Yeah.
So if you don't mind sharing, I don't mind talking about it
either. So what was this grieving
experience for you that got you into the spiritual community?
Yes. So it was the sudden passing of

(07:14):
my brother. So he had a very short and
sudden passing from an illness. We'll go into the details
because that's not really the point.
But from diagnosis to passing was just a matter of days.
And it was just a shock in general, but also a double shock
because we were at some geographic distance.

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And he also left behind two children.
He was the eldest of the children.
And it was also difficult to grieve as his sibling, but also
to witness the grieving of his parents.
And this, you know, how the natural order of things is
upended. And we had a good relationship.
But certainly when someone leaves that quickly and there
are things that just happened tobe unsaid.

(07:58):
So I share that with you because, you know, there's the,
the obvious, the obvious components of grief here.
But it did bring me into a such a low place and a place of
really wondering. I could still feel his energy,
but I wasn't sure how to hold onto it.
It felt like I was holding onto a, a, a helium balloon.

(08:18):
And I know I'm against borrowed time before it starts to
deflate. And what am I going to do with
it then? And I don't want to let go of it
in case it it flies away. And it just seemed felt very
elusive somehow, the texture of it.
And at the same time, I had a friend who said, listen, I go to
this place called the Spiritualist Church.
It's not really, you know, altars and crosses and this

(08:39):
organized religion. It's really about helping us
navigate the journey of losing someone and ostensibly, how to
connect should we want to, if wehave curiosity around it, how to
connect with our loved ones in spirit.
So I started to attend more to just have a place for my grief,
to have a container for it, to have something to look forward
to, to be like, like, OK, in this space, I can let my hair

(09:01):
down and I can properly grieve. And that's where I could help me
regulate some of my emotions. And at the Spiritualist church,
they have what they call a demonstrating medium.
And so this medium comes to the the front of the room and
there's, you know, chairs set upand we're all set there.
Sometimes it's 10 people, sometimes it's 30 people.
And it sounds something like this.

(09:22):
OK, I'm aware that I have a loved one in spirit.
They seem to be a fatherly energy.
I understand they would have been a firefighter in life.
They always love to get an ice cream on a Thursday in the
afternoon. I understand they really their
sports team was this. So they start to give quote UN
quote evidence and someone in the audience will say, oh, I
recognize that person and they connect and more evidence is

(09:44):
offered. And then eventually there's some
sort of message from my loved one in spirit.
So it might be, you know, I'm aware that you there was a new
baby in the family or you're celebrating made this or there
was a win here or that you're going through a difficult time.
So I share that just as an education piece for your
listeners, but also because eventually my brother came
through and eventually my brother came through and a

(10:06):
grandparent came through and they would start to say, well,
you're going to do this one day.You should be trying this.
You have this, this ability. I thought this is silly, like,
yeah, yeah, whatever. But eventually after some amount
of time, I thought, well, it's come through enough time.
Like I've got some spare time onthe weekend.
They offer a kind of taster course.

(10:28):
And I took the taster course andgot the fever and never looked
back. Now, has it been easy?
No. Do I have a lot to say about it?
Yes. I won't bore everyone to tears
with it, but that's what startedthis whole thing.
No, no, no, no, you're, you're good.
I'm not cutting anything out. Your journey is very fascinating
and somewhat similar to kind of what launched me into it too.

(10:50):
And I'll get into that in a second.
But I haven't really heard the term evidential medium before.
You know, there's so many different subcategories of
mediums. I've heard of historical
mediums, now I'm hearing of evidential mediums.
So when you say evidential, I'm guessing you're talking about
like very specific details. Is that what it is?
Yes. So this is under the umbrella of

(11:12):
the Spiritualist natural, it's called the Spiritualist
National, the Spiritualist National Union, the SNU or the
Spiritualist Association of Great Britain, the SAJB.
And they define it as providing evidence of everlasting life, of
the continuation of life after physical death.
And so evidence is generally within some number of

(11:34):
categories. So it could be the way they pass
qualities about their personality, some some some
details that are specific enoughfor the recipient to recognize
and feel confident that this is in fact their loved 1
communicating with them from thespirit world.
Ma'am, I've been doing this thisentire time and I didn't know
what it was called. Yes, yes.

(11:55):
Now I will say this is a very quote, UN quote traditional
practice dating back to when theVictorians would meet and
started to basically sit in salon and work with spirit to
say how can we communicate with you, how can we serve your
world, etcetera. And some of those founders
continued the work and started to formalize it a bit more.

(12:18):
I hesitate to say an organized religion because it's not as you
know, it is and it isn't, but it's more around, OK, here are
the guardrails. We want to make sure that we
don't have frauds or people thatare taking advantage of those
that are grieving. So how do we do this in an
ethical way and also have the recipient of the message.

(12:42):
So the loved one here, the person who is still embodied
here on earth, feel confident that they are speaking with
their loved one in spirit. I will also say this all started
before the Internet, before, youknow, before there's this,
listen, there's a natural suspicion in the things that we
do. And of course, there's an even
more natural suspicion for today's world when we have all

(13:03):
of the world's history and information at our fingertips on
a portable device in our pocket.So there's even more skepticism
around, well, maybe you looked that up.
Maybe you could have known that,maybe this, that, that in the
other. So it's important that the
evidential medium is able to provide things outside of, you
know, they're not going to say, I know I have a grandmother here
who was warm and loving and liked to bake cookies.

(13:24):
I mean, that's not really evidence, but someone who says
she would keep bees in her back garden.
She would take whiskey when she had a sore throat.
And there must be some specificity to the detail and
also things that the medium couldn't possibly know.
Because as an evidential medium,you're there as a channel.
You're there to serve spirit andto serve those that are

(13:45):
grieving. I mean, you're not there to be a
showman. Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I was just thinking back to thatmeme that I saw a couple of
weeks ago where it was like Zoommeetings are like modern they
seances because. I know this meme, it's so
brilliant. It was so great.
I really feel like my spirit left my body and I'm rolling on
the floor, like laughing my ass off.
Like literally in spirit right now astrally.

(14:07):
I just feel like my stomach is hurting because I'm laughing so
hard. I think it's kind of cool that
even before all the technology was available and these
different schools of thought were happening around spiritual
groundedness and keeping yourself in check, spiritual
psychosis, that there was this fraction of spiritual
practitioners, especially in theside of mediumship that were

(14:30):
like, hey, you know, we need to make sure we're giving the right
message, right? And I feel like that was kind of
like there was like 1/2 and halfdivide because you had people
out there forging spirit photographs, like the ectoplasm
photographs and all these thingsand you know.
The history of front, and I wantto say this before I forget if I
may, there's such a beautiful and rich and deep history of

(14:53):
mediumship and evidential mediumship also in upstate New
York in the early 1800s. So that's also a fascinating
rabbit hole to go down as well. And that's closely linked to the
spiritualist movements in the inthe UK as well, right.
So there was this resurgence. I only know about those two
geographies. I've no doubt if we went
further, it would not be surprising to find that that was

(15:14):
happening in other parts of the world.
But I'm only aware of these two in this sort of related time
frame. So I want to shout out that work
as well because some incredible mediums and that mediumship
tradition in the United States really started in that area.
Yeah, no, for sure. And even in today's age of the
Internet, there's a lot of practitioners who practice in
silence. You know, it's like people who

(15:37):
are practicing as solitary witches.
They kind of do their own thing and they don't really talk about
it on the Internet. They don't really have a
platform. They don't want a platform.
They just kind of do what they do in order to help themselves
or people around them. And you know, I really feel like
this kind of goes into the mental health realm, right, in
terms of therapy. But I like to call what we do as

(16:00):
mediums and as psychic people, it's kind of like a like an
abridged version of spiritual therapy.
So, you know, some people have to go to a church or like a
gathering place, which by the way, guys, church isn't just
synonymous with Christianity. It kind of became that way
because it got used so much. So when Bex is talking about
spiritualist church and it's nothing like a Christian Church,

(16:22):
it's just a term. It's just a place of gathering,
to be honest, which I love that they were called a spiritualist
church because it's kind of likea gateway into spirituality for
people who have religious trauma.
And they're just like, I don't want to go to church.
And it's a place where you can be yourself, you know, figure
yourself out because that's whatit sounded like.
If I may, just to set the scene.Yeah, so.

(16:43):
The Spiritualist, the SAGB branch or the you know, the SAGB
facility that I would visit is the least church like place you
can imagine. So you go in and it is There was
red carpet, white walls, a few rows of a few rows.
They did have some kind of podium at the front for the

(17:04):
medium to stand behind if they wanted to.
I think there was a small table with a bouquet of flowers.
And just on the side of the wallthere was, I think a, a picture
of the, the founder of the SAGB London, something like this.
So it's very, very modest. There's not the, you know,
there's no grandiosity and it's just a like a very comfortable
modest space. And I, I like that.

(17:25):
Yeah. I didn't feel like I needed to
be cloaked in velvet and incenseand all these things, which can
be pretty cool. But for me, and for that and
that container, it's there because the emphasis should be
on that spirit communication andnothing else.
Yeah, I just had like this fundamental image of you and
like the hooded cloak and havingthis big Selenite dagger in your

(17:46):
hand and just like I'm here to do the things.
But yeah, no, I think it's greatthat even like throughout
different periods of time, that there's always been like a group
of Trail Blazers really to say, hey, we're not here for the
money. We're not here to, you know,
take advantage of people. We're here because we're trying

(18:06):
to present information to you. And I feel like in the Age of
Aquarius and Pluto right now, a lot more of those people are
coming forward. And I think it's great.
I don't think spirituality is something to be gay keep, and I
say that a lot. But yeah, going to the right
practitioner is almost like spiritual therapy.
I will never, ever, ever say that spirituality is a
substitution for mental health treatment or, you know, going to

(18:30):
an actual medical practitioner, whether that be a psychologist
or a licensed therapist. But I think we had a
conversation about this the other day where, you know,
talking to the right tarot reader or talking to the right
psychic medium or both can be a very good supplement to going to
see a therapist because maybe your therapist doesn't talk
about the woo stuff. I've been very fortunate to find

(18:52):
a therapist who doesn't care because she's based out of
Savannah too, and her name is also Rebecca.
A lot of these Rebecca's coming into my life lately.
It's really buddy synchronicity.So many Rebecca, so many
spellings. I know, and actually I was
looking at the numerology of my name as well earlier, but it
depends on the numerology calculator that you use and I
wasn't sure if I include my middle name or not, so I don't

(19:12):
necessarily have anything. Watch the space.
I'll let you know when I find out a definitive answer, but I
was down that rabbit hole this morning around what's the
numerology of my name. I love that.
I've never really thought about that before, but I think
numerology is very, very fascinating.
I think it's great that that things are so readily available
to us with the Internet and opening up global communication

(19:33):
so that like people like us, we can connect on witchy apps like
Threads and Instagram. And I am just, I'm so happy that
we connected and like started talking and it's just funny how
we have so much and similar, butwe come from totally different
places. And then as a psychic person,
you're, you have to go to that place, right?

(19:53):
Eventually when you're like so In Sync with someone.
Do I know you from a past life? And it almost feels like a
really bad pick up line. Chill.
No, I've been getting chills too.
And I'm just like, I feel like Iknow you from a past life.
I think we I agree. I agree.
I haven't sent my awareness there.
I haven't gone down that rabbit hole yet, but I I'm sure I'm

(20:15):
certain of it. Well, I do some past life stuffs
after the podcast. We might have to talk about it
or eventually. It would be rude not to.
Yeah, you know, and so we talkeda little bit about the
mediumship side of things, so and kind of like the psychic
side of things. But let's talk about being a
tarot reader. So you have a podcast called

(20:37):
Confessions of a Tarot Reader where you've interviewed so many
different tarot readers. How does it feel having that as
kind of like your passion project, like talking to other
spiritual virtual practitioners who read tarot and kind of
comparing notes and having that funny moment of a so confession?
So I love it. So number one, I'm nosy.
So that it's just a juicy shop talk.

(20:58):
It's also that being a tarot reader or a psychic or whatever,
it's a very solitary practice and it's very intimate as well,
right? So it's you and your sitter, or
maybe you have two sitters and there's nowhere else.
They're observing and each reading is somewhat different.
There are commonalities and themes, but there's not a huge
amount of time spent with other readers just talking about,

(21:21):
well, how are you doing it? What's your experience like?
Is that does that happen to you or is that only me?
So I felt like there was a greatopportunity for us to talk shop,
compare notes, also learn from one another.
But I also wanted to break that 4th wall and allow people to
hear what is top of mind for us and advice that we might give to

(21:42):
others about how to have a greatreading, how to find a good
practitioner. Because not every every reader
is going to be for every client and it's not always easy to find
a great reader. So I thought, well, this is one
way that I can serve others. And whether it's clients or
tarot readers is basically interview them, get to know
them, have some juicy talk, compare notes, but also allow

(22:04):
people to listen and say, Oh, I really vibe with this reader
that they seem to be more of my style or yeah, I really resonate
with that or that's an interesting approach or that's
an interesting idea. Likewise, maybe they say, oh,
they're really not for me. I find them really annoying or I
don't. I completely have a different
point of view, right? But it just opens up.
That literally opens up that conversation.
Now the other thing too is to talk about the X because you and

(22:26):
I, Sally, we've talked about it and we'll probably talk about it
more today. There's a lot of bullshit that
happens in the industry, in the ecosystem, there's a lot of love
and light nonsense. There's a lot of disinformation.
There's a lot unfortunately gatekeeping and my view is
there's enough to go around. I'm not everyone's cup of tea.
I love to read and I'm so grateful for the opportunity to
read for others, whether it's tarot reading, psychism,

(22:48):
whatever, reading for your pets.But I might not be a reader, so
I would love to introduce you tosomeone else that I think is
pretty great as well. Yeah, no, I love that.
And you know that you've met a grounded spiritual practitioner
and Tara reader when they have no problem suggesting a
different reader to go to. Because I feel like it takes a
lot of groundedness and spiritual awareness and

(23:11):
self-awareness to be able to say, hey, I might not be the
reader for you. That's cool.
It's not something it's not likean ethos that just kind of comes
to people. You have to be at a certain
place in your spiritual journey.And time is nothing but a
construct and a concept at this point, wherever you may be, how
long you've been practitioning, how long you've been practicing,

(23:31):
I'm making up words. I love practitioning.
I'm going to use that word now. I love it.
Practitioning. I love that, and I'm ashamed to
say I used to be an English major just making up words.
Anyway, that's. How language evolves and you're
a chaos practitioner, so I thinkthat this is very on brand for
you. Yeah, I'm just, I'm creating a
chaos light language. But yeah, I really do think that
it takes a certain amount of confidence in your own abilities

(23:53):
and where you are spiritually tobe able to say, hey, yeah, I
know this other great reader. Maybe you'll align more with
them or hey, here's some other resources that you can get in
touch with. I feel like when people try to
keep clients to themselves, you have to be in a certain space to
be able to recommend another reader, especially because on

(24:14):
readers recommending other readers, that's probably the
best way you're going to find other good, reliable readers.
Because me reading people professionally, I'm not going to
suggest someone to you that I would not pay to book with or
that I wouldn't give that space of time to to be able to like
sit down and go over things. I have a.
Question for you, Sally. I want to know if you've ever
had to break up with a client. And the reason I asked this is

(24:37):
sometimes I know that I've either it's not a vibe any
longer with the client or the client has become too dependent
or they're saying I, I must speak to you, I need to speak to
you. And I don't think there should
be that. It's giving codependency, it's
giving desperation. And that's where our practice.
I know that, you know, someone with less scruples would take

(25:00):
advantage of that right and say,okay, yes, I must speak to you.
I'm the only person who can speak to you.
You know, as I'm grabbing money.I've been, of course, I would
never do that. What I found in a few times is
that client reader relationship has run its course.
And so I will have the conversation.
I'll say, listen, I would suggest that you have another
reading. Here are some of the readers

(25:20):
that I recommend. And This is why I think there
would be a great match for you. And I'm also aware of these
readers. I haven't personally read from
them, but there's some value in in looking to what they offer
because sometimes it is no longer a match.
Sometimes they need a bit more of a speciality that maybe I
don't have. And sometimes it's sometimes
it's like I'm just not in the space.
There may be some, you know, when we, if we speak about good

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mental health practice, it's important as practitioners that
we have good mental health. And it can be very demanding to
be holding space for different people.
It's an absolute privilege. And it also requires our own
careful, meticulous energetic regulation that is not always
easy. So sometimes if my energy is too
low as well, I need to say, hey,I'm not, I can't show up in the
best possible way for you. So I can give you 2 choices.

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We can reschedule or I can recommend these other readers.
So I think there's a lot, there's a lot of different
reasons for recommending other readers.
And again, I think there's plenty to go around.
There's no reason I need to havesome monopoly on a client
relationship. That's that's just silliness
ego. Yeah, no.
And it's good to keep your ego in track and it's also good to

(26:27):
have those conversations with other readers, especially if
you're friends with other readers and you kind of know
where they're at and you know you have a client who might
benefit from the inside of another reader.
It's not a money grab. Everybody has a place at the
table. And I use that analogy a lot.
And before I kind of go more into it, yes, I have had a time
where I had to break up with a client, but it was really, they

(26:49):
initiated it weird situation. But also I've had to break up
with other readers as a fellow reader.
And it's a really unique situation to be in.
You know, if I don't align with somebody, like, another reader,
cool. But if I feel like there's a
reader out there who feels a little scammy to me that wasn't
like that before, and they're going through a time, I'm not

(27:10):
going to sit here and, like, putthem on blast, OK?
Like, if I'm friends with them, I might be like, so, hey, how's
it going? You know, just kind of like,
check in just because I care about my friends and have to
check on them. Especially, like, spiritual
people because we're a lot more sensitive and open to things
that Muggles aren't. But you get to the point
sometimes where, you know, somebody says some very
conflicting information or they will say some things that sound

(27:32):
very ungrounded and a little outthere in terms of like how they
might talk about their clients or how how they act as a person.
And at that point, I kind of separate myself from that reader
and I don't recommend them anymore.
And I've had that happen one time that I, I remember possibly
2 times. But I don't go out of my way to
be like, oh, don't go to this person.

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But if somebody comes to me and it's like, oh, I had a reading
his son. So I'm not like, well, they
suck, They're not right for you.I don't say that.
It's everybody's going through their own thing at different
times. And sometimes some people do
need to take like a spiritual break or some people, you know,
especially if they do it like full time, this is what they do,
right? You know, sometimes they they
need to discover that on their own.
And I would think that in consults or readings with their

(28:16):
clients, at some point they would figure out that, oh, I
need to put myself in check or hey, I need to reevaluate this.
Or maybe I should take a break and come back to it because I'm
not connecting like I used to, or I'm feeling XY and Z instead
of, you know, having passion fordoing this.
Because honestly, like as a reader, if your headspace is not
a good headspace, like you shouldn't be reading.

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And I mean, I actually was goingthrough some stuff last year
around October and somebody who was mentoring me a little bit as
I was like getting into the professional side of reading
instead of just reading for funsies was like, hey, maybe you
should take a little bit of a break and trusted this person.

(28:59):
So I said, OK, so I took about amonth off and it made a big
difference because it gave me some time to focus on me, gave
me some time to process. There's some emotions and some
feelings of self doubt and just human things that I was dealing
with because I was dealing with a really nasty breakup which
opened up my block. So I was like, great, but not
great. But yeah, I had a client who

(29:21):
just randomly, they were like ona road trip and randomly was
just like, hey, do you have timefor a reading?
Meanwhile, I'm at the grocery store.
I'm sitting here at Kroger. Like I'm just trying to get the
things. Like, I think it was right
before Thanksgiving and I was buying some groceries to, like,
cook a meal for my team at work.And so I was like, OK, I know
this person. They just seem pretty cool.

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They live in a different place, like, not in my time zone.
Maybe it's an emergency. Maybe they really need to talk
to me because a lot of people onmy Discord I'm friends with like
in person, person that I've met several times or I talked to
them on a on a weekly basis at some point.
So I was like, OK, well, this person, maybe they just need
some spiritual guidance. So they were like, OK, So what
should I book? And I was like, do you want a

(30:03):
psychic mediumship reading? I am not at my house right now,
so I don't have the tarot cards.So she was like, yeah, sure, I
get on. And the vibe is just really off
because it's like on video call,right?
And wow, I'm getting like chills, like, thinking about
what happened that day because it was so fucking weird.
So I'm like, talking to them, right?
I was just like, OK, so is thereanything specific that you would

(30:23):
like to know? Or do you just want me to, like,
see what I pick up on? And she was like, oh, just
whatever. And I couldn't even see her
face. It was dark.
She was driving and I realized she was driving.
I thought she might have like stopped at a rest area or was
stopped or whatever. She wasn't.
She was actively driving in the snow.
I was like, OK, I was like, OK, well whatever.

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I've never done this before, butwe're going to give it a try.
I immediately sense like this spirit guide energy in the car.
And it was like, from what I remember, it was I saw wings and
I was like, OK, this seems like kind of like Archangel or
guardian Angel type of energy. And generally I'd stay away from
terms like angels and demons unless that's actually what I'm

(31:08):
saying because they're not a descriptor word.
It's literally what they are. So I'm not going to be like, oh,
this seems demonic as a descriptor.
Like, oh, they look angry. They're demonic.
I'm going to be like, this feelslike infernal energy.
Oh, this feels like demonic energy because I'm actually
talking, talking to someone in that space, right?
So we were talking, talking, andI'm just, I think I channeled a

(31:31):
message here and there just likethis is the vibe I was getting.
But I kept sensing something wasoff.
And this person kept asking me questions like what do they look
like? What's their name?
I know what their name is, but like, what's their name?
And yeah, well, I already know this might be like so and so and
then wouldn't say anything, right?
And I am not the type of reader to be like, OK, tell me all the

(31:53):
information because I don't wantto be primed for it.
It's validating for me too. If I'm just like, OK, let me
connect to your energy. If that's cool with you, let me
get the consent. And then I connect and see what
I get. I had this really gross feeling
in the pit of my stomach that I was being tested and I had never
encountered this before. I have had some skeptics come
into a reading and then they leave with a little bit more of

(32:13):
an mind but I've never straight up had someone test my ability.
And of course, like I had drops and messages later on to confirm
this and other psychic people confirm this that know this
person. And it was supposed to be like a
45 minute reading. And I was like, hey, friend,
because this, I think we're like1520 minutes in.

(32:34):
I was like, I think it was 15 minutes.
And I said, hey, you're driving.It's a little unsafe.
I don't feel comfortable continuing with this reading.
I'm more than happy to reschedule for you and give you
some time back. And you know, if you, I think it
was a 30 minute reading, but I was like, hey, I'm happy to like
extend it a little bit because my readings never end on time
because time is construct anyway.
And she was like, yeah, that's fine.

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Cool. And I actually like texted
somebody about this situation because they also had this
person as a client. And I was like, have you talked
to this person lately? Because I just had a really
weird experience with them. And they were like, that's
weird. I'm sorry that you dealt with
that. I'm sorry you were in that
situation. And then like didn't talk about
it ever again. All of a sudden I'm reaching out
to this person again, like 2 weeks, 3 weeks later.

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And like we've seen each other in like Discord voice chats over
on another server, you know, on social media going back and
forth, I'm seeing this person post, they're seeing me post
whatever. So I sent them a message on
Discord. I was just like, hey, when did
you want to reschedule that reading for because I think they
had gotten sick. And then another time something
else was happening. So they kept rescheduling and it

(33:40):
said my message is like undeliverable.
So I was like, what? And so I figured out this person
blocked me snap after messaging me like, hey, if you don't want
to reschedule, that's fine. Like that's my fault.
You can keep the money. And I was like no like I'll
refund it to you if you know it's not going to work out or
whatever. However I'm perfectly fine
rescheduling when it you know when the time is right for you.

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But literally blocked me and then went around talking shit
about me. I mean, of course.
And I'm just like, bro, like I'mtrying to help you.
You were bored. Literally.
That was what context was given to me.
Hey, I'm bored and I wanted a reading from you.
And then I figured out later on,psychically and through drops,
that this person was put up to it by someone else who doesn't

(34:26):
like me very much. This is the.
You know what we this could be an episode of Confessions of a
Tarot reader, because this is something as well that happens
as there there can be this. I think it's all from
competitiveness and evil eye across the ecosystem as
practitioners start to get a bitjealous, a bit worried, a bit
feeling some kind of way. And so they do just nasty

(34:46):
nonsense like this, which is just not cool.
And also what's the point? What's the point?
Like it's a waste of everyone's time in my opinion.
Yeah, and this is where spiritual communities turn into
cults. Word.
It's not just a fan club anymore.
It's not just, hey, let's get together and like be in a
grounded place, in a safe place,safe environment for people.

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I'm sorry, I'm going to call it like it is.
Yeah. And I might not have been around
in the spiritual community for along time.
Literally May is like my one year mark of being psychic.
Like realizing that I'm psychic.Happy anniversary.
Thank you. Thank you.
Happy psychic versary. I love that psychic versary, but
yeah, I sorry. Well, I have two stories.

(35:32):
So 1 is that I had a client thatbecause of the close detective
work and having a good relationship with other readers
that I recommend. We determined that we had.
We had the same client and she would book 2 readings for any
kind of question that she had and it would be me on one day.
So it could be it was me at 10:00 and he was at noon or vice

(35:53):
versa or a day apart. I would say what we may be
asking the question in a slightly different way.
I'm not in the reading with them.
I don't know what the the spreadthat they use or how exactly
they articulate that question. So there's that.
And then also there's this parable of the blind man and the
elephant. So there's this story about an

(36:13):
elephant and there are 12 blind men that stand at different
points around the elephant and they're asked 1 by 1 to describe
an elephant. And so one says it's very so
they that person is touching theear, so they describe the ear.
Another person is at the tail. So the tail has a completely
different texture, etcetera. But they all believe they're
there and they are all experiencing the elephant in a

(36:34):
different way. So I draw this comparison to a
reading, we're all looking at the same question, but or a
topic, let's say from a slightlydifferent angle.
It's not that that it's incorrect, it's that we are
looking at one aspect to it that's not possible for us to be
looking at in an identical way. And also, you know, things
change from moment to moment. Any kind of reading that we give
is generally, generally an energetic forecast.

(36:58):
You know, free will is still very much at play.
It's the free will of yourself, feel free will of others.
And the wheel of fortune, I say,is always at play.
So that was annoying and it was a good lesson as well.
And also that person, you know, they just had a lot more money
and time than good sense. But you know, here we are.
I think that's an, an interesting story to share.
And then another one is someone testing me.

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I was reading at an event and I have this conversation all the
time. So someone comes in and I'll
say, what are we reading for today?
How can I help? And they'll say just a general
message, something like this. And I'll say, well, when we ask
general questions, we get general answers.
So I would love to know if you were leaving here today, what's
on your heart that you'd like toknow a bit more about?
So I tried to get them to be a bit more specific because in

(37:42):
general, in my experience, very few people truly want a general
reading. They actually have some pretty
specific things in mind. And so he was saying, oh, wait,
I'm thinking about moving and I'm just wondering what my love
opportunities might be. Like what is there a romantic
relationship coming in for me ifI were to move to this place?
And so I so the cards were showing me and psychically right

(38:05):
away I'm like, oh, he's in the long term relationship.
They've bought a house. Like the wheels are in motion.
Like why is he asking me about this?
So I questioned a couple of times.
I said, so share with me, are you currently in a relationship?
Are you No, no, OK. And you're still thinking about
a move. The move isn't set in.
No, no, no, no. OK, well, I do see that a house

(38:26):
has been purchased and I do see this relationship moving towards
marriage. And I do see like everything in
place and the job and everything.
So help me understand whatever. And it's almost like this gotcha
moment at the end where he was like, OK, yeah, yeah, you're
right. We bought a house.
I start my job in a week. Like my visa's in place.
Like he was all set. And it was like, what is the

(38:46):
point? What is the point of this?
So he was ready to. I I really don't know.
And I don't even want to delve into the point of it, but it I
just felt so frustrating as a reader, like I'm here trying to
help you like this isn't to me. This is not a game.
It's not a gimmick. I'll survive having these kind
of time wasters. But please don't do that to your
reader. Please don't try to have a
gotcha moment because it we're really here to help you get the

(39:07):
answers that you need. If you have some doubt or
question about does this work oryou're just there to prove how
bad they are or wrong, maybe spend your money on something
else. Yeah, go buy yourself a a
reading with Zoltar for like 5 bucks on a machine, or go get
yourself a magic 8 ball. Because how I see it is if
you're approaching the reader out of pure curiosity or there

(39:29):
are things that you just conventionally cannot explain as
a human, then yeah, like your, your head's in the right place,
right? Because you are opening up your
mind to the different possibilities.
But it's almost like when you goto church as a Christian person,
you don't physically see God, You don't physically see the
Holy Spirit, you don't physically see Jesus unless

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you're psychic. OK, that's a little different.
But as a normie Muggle person going to a church, when somebody
asks you about your faith, right, What do you say?
You just know, right? You just believe.
Think of. People going to psychic mediums
that way obviously take what resonates and leave what
doesn't. We say that a lot as tarot
readers, but truly in psychic mediumship to take what

(40:11):
resonates and leave behind what doesn't because it might not be
a message for you at that time. I was listening to one of your
podcast episodes. I think it was with your friend.
It was like the second or third episode, and it was like, you
might not need that message right then.
This might be something a year or two down the line, this could
be 6 months out and then you have that aha moment and you're

(40:33):
just like, oh damn. I did hear about this before.
Somebody did call call this out.But yeah, I really don't
understand the entire, not just the gatekeepingness of, but
people just trolling to that amount.
Why waste your time, money and energy when you could be doing
something else more productive with your life?
Truly, truly. Help you?
We can, literally. Help you Yeah, like my favorite

(40:56):
Savage Garden saw we're. Helpers.
We're helpers by nature. Right.
We are here offering you our energy, offering you our time.
I do a lot more reading exchanges than like professional
bookings right now because I truly do want to give back as
much as I can. And a lot of my friends, they're
respectful of my time, but they do have some things that they
want to ask me for my opinion on.

(41:17):
And yeah, is it work? But you know, we do equal energy
exchange in a different way. I've been lucky enough to have a
reading from you. And I would love to.
Talk about how we approach our readings because you have this
beautiful, vibrant dynamic as you describe it.
You're a chaos reader and I generally use spreads.

(41:38):
If I'm using cards, there's usually a spread involved.
So I'd love to talk to you a little bit more about if you
have used spreads before and yousaid, Nah, they're not for me.
Or if you've always been a Chaosreader.
Or what do you think that's about?
So I think it has to do with thereader's personality, and it
also how messages are communicated.
I typically do a lot of jumpers,and sometimes I'll intuitively

(42:01):
be guided to pick cards, but I don't use spreads.
And some people think that's wild, especially when you're on
a time constraint, which is why my my readings and consults
never end on time. And that's my fault for being a
chaotic Sagittarian, which I'm so glad you're Libra.
Kind of like, keep me like, Sally, let's get back on track.
But yeah, I've never really usedspreads other than, hey, I saw

(42:22):
this funny spread like and Agatha all along themes spread
like they did in the show or hey, this is like shadow work
spread like, let's try that justto see if I can connect in the
same way which I can. And it's a little bit more
organized, but it's too organized for my taste.
I don't like feeling confined and constrained to a spread.

(42:44):
I feel like whatever message comes through comes through.
Could be with one card, it will.No, it's never one card.
It could be two cards or it could be like the entire deck.
As you saw, as I demonstrated with a chaos reading, I'll pull
some cards and then I'll sometimes turn the deck around
and I'll just literally just hold the deck up and just start
pulling cards and like very quick shot like, hey, this is

(43:06):
what this is saying and it weaves the whole story.
So I've always been a very chaotic chaos reader.
What about you? I love it.
I'm a spreads gal. I'm a spreads gal.
I have a spread now that is quite flexible.
I will say I'm going to give myself the challenge to do some
chaos readings and give it a play because I'm a big advocate

(43:27):
of have a play, have a try. It's not that serious.
What's the worst that can happen?
I realize it's not for me, OK, but maybe I unlock a new side
quest as we talked about it. Maybe I unlock a new.
So the question I ask most oftenand the spread I ask most or use
most often are the following. The first is what is the energy
around? Fill in the blank.

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So a lot of times a client will come in and they'll say will I
get the job or not? Will I hear from my ex or not?
Will they text me or not? And very few things in life are
so black and white binary. So I like to ask what is the
energy around? And I will have a three card
minimum because this generally will show me spoiler alert what
is the energy around it? So is it mostly possible

(44:09):
positive? Is it mixed?
Is it negative? What do I need to know?
There's usually enough nuance, but it gives us a good signal of
where that's headed, right? So let's take, for instance, am
I going to get the job or not? So maybe a couple of those cards
are showing me a bit around. So they do pick up on the job
energy. So there's something around
pentacles or people coming together or some negotiation

(44:29):
aspect. And maybe there's another piece
of information around if that job application process is very
highly competitive. So it's not necessarily a yes or
no, you're getting the job or you're not.
It's generally you are a good candidate.
It also looks like there's a, it's a very competitive, so we
need a bit more time and information.
So that might move me into my second piece, which is my most
common spread, which is, I call it the nine card grid, which is

(44:52):
really flexible. I'm just going to talk about the
architecture of it at first, which is 3 rows of three cards,
but actually it's also three columns of three cards.
And at the very center of those 9 cards, I call it the heart of
the matter. So this really will show me
what, you know, what's the punchline here, What is really
at the center of what's going onor the question or the query

(45:13):
that you have now. I can also read in columns.
I can also read diagonally. I can also read rows.
So it becomes this big tic tac board, TikTok, TikTok, tic tac
toe board. I finally got there in the end.
But it really I will then define, you know, what those
rows or columns mean. So it could be what is energy
today, what happens in the next month or so and what happens
three months and beyond. So I can layer on meaning to it.

(45:35):
So it's just like in if people who are listening, if you have
any kind of witch practice or any actually any kind of magical
practice, a lot of it is about the intention you put into it.
So I'm telling the cards, this is what I want to see in this
row and this row in this row, and this is the heart of the
matter. Does that make sense to you?
No, it does to kind of have likea centralized theme of the
reading. And this is kind of it's kind of

(45:57):
like looking at the bottom of the deck for, you know, kind of
like an overall centralized message.
This is kind of what the topic is about.
But I will start to get, you know, if jumpers come out great,
they're like I invite them into the play yard.
It could also be that's where mycagness comes in, where I will
start to draw clarifiers and that's there's no formal spread.
That's just, you know, measure with your heart kind of
situation. I love that.

(46:18):
Yes, measure with your heart, and that's why my readings never
end on time. But also, it's like sometimes
people ask questions that they don't even want to know the
answer to, or they ask questionswhile they're in a really bad
headspace about something. I don't think that's something
that's worth talking about. I don't think people realize
that it's not just our energy that determines how the reading
goes and our connections, but it's also the sitter's energy

(46:40):
and what kind of headspace the sitter is in.
It's like I mentioned before on your podcast that hasn't come
out yet where we talk about how the reader, you know, how they
read is very subjective. And you know, let's say that I'm
pulling cards for myself and I pulled the five of Pentacles.
I might see it in a negative way, like, oh, this is saying

(47:02):
like it's a charity card. Like, oh, like I'm in, I need
mindset. I am having some issues and I'm
asking for help. But if I ask you about it, you
might see 5 of Pentacles as an opportunity or in a different
more like, hey, this could be a positive thing.
This could be a call out, but ina good way, kind of light,
right? But like, if you're not in the
right headspace, whether you're the reader or the sitter,

(47:23):
messages can get very convolutedbecause it's subjective.
It's how you read. And also some people are
intuitive readers. Some people are just straight up
tarot readers where they're doing it for fun, where they're
not really connected to spirit. They're just, hey, this is what
the card says, or they're connected to Spirit and they
just want to not tap into that energy and just go straight by

(47:45):
meanings. I'm a very intuitive reader.
Sometimes I'm an immersive reader, especially when I pick
up a deck that I've never read from before, even if it has
special cards. And I have this deck called the
Solar Kingdom deck. And I charged it under the very
chaotic eclipse a couple of months ago.
And it has eight different solarand lunar phase cards that I
have no idea what they mean because I haven't read the book

(48:07):
yet and I refuse to. But I immersively read those.
I look at the card, I get what Ifeel, and then I kind of go into
it without knowing an actual meaning.
It really depends on the reader that you have and the energy of
the person who is in the readingwith you.
So just a suggestion for those listeners out there who do book
frequently with other readers orjust with one particular reader.

(48:28):
If you feel like your energy is off and you have a very serious
inquiry, try to reschedule your reading.
Because just like we have our off days and I have rescheduled
consults because I was sick and I have done some readings while
I was sick, but I felt mentally OK enough to do it.
But, you know, practice good spiritual hygiene.
Don't bring that energy into a reading and then expect us to be

(48:49):
completely fine because we will feel the spiritual ache whether
you're physically sick or emotionally, just like mentally
just clouded and you just have alot going on that you probably
need to talk to a medical professional about.
But yeah, just you need a discern for yourself.
When is the time and place for this?
Like, are you in a good space? Because I forgot to talk about

(49:09):
this earlier because we have so many things that we can talk
about all day long. But when I connected my sister
and got into my journey being a psychic person, I thought I was
in a good headspace. And I mean, I was.
But during the reading, I went right back to six years prior
when everything was happening and literally ugly cried most of

(49:32):
the reading. And it was kind of ironic.
And my sister and I laugh about this now when we check in with
each other. But she straight up was like,
I'm not talking to you. Why did you come looking for me?
Like, no, she was just like sitting in the in between for
the past six years. And my very good friend now who
was reading for me at the time. And we didn't know each other.
They were like, yeah, your sister's really not wanting to

(49:53):
communicate. And, you know, we're not going
to force spirit to talk if they don't want to talk, right?
And we were just like going backand forth.
And I was like, hey, you know, the person reading you is the
same sign as you. And then all of a sudden the
energy, she shifted and she was like, okay.
And then she started talking to the reader.
And so I thought that was reallyfunny, but that got me really
intrigued with this other world of things that I didn't think I

(50:13):
knew anything about. Obviously that was naive and
dumb of me looking back now, butit was such a whole new world
really, to quote Aladdin, I guess of things that I didn't
know existed. Like I have always been very
curious with the paranormal and just the things that I could not
explain because what's the fun in knowing everything like,

(50:34):
well, there's an explanation foreverything, right?
So a curiosity just really got the best of me.
And you know, I booked that reading for 4424, so that was
already like aligned right. And then in May, I booked two or
three readings with the same reader to delve into psychic
mediumship and really psychic abilities and clear abilities
because everything just started kind of popping off.

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And then talking to other peoplein the community, all of a
sudden we're doing readings for each other and I'm able to read
professional readers and I'm just like, I'm a fucking nobody.
I'm just doing this like to develop my own skills.
But when I could pinpoint and literally call people out with
my chaos readings before chaos reading was really a thing, just
doing very honest, brutally honest tarot, I realized that,

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damn, I need to do something with this because I have a lot
of messages to give and obviously consent based, but I
have a lot of messages that I want to offer out to people.
And this could potentially help change the trajectory of their
thought process. It could have the trajectory of
where their life is heading to give them the advice spiritually
of hey, hey, friend, let me justtell you about this.

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Like you might want to take thatinto consideration.
So I, I love that other groundedpeople are connecting to me.
Being grounded is kind of subjective too, because you
could be chaotic and you could be grounded at the same time
because you know your practice and you know what you do, right?
Because spiritual psychosis is actually a thing.
If you don't ever check in with yourself and say, is this

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spiritual or is this human? I know and you know I'm So I'm a
triple air sign, Libra sun, Libra rising, Gemini moon.
I have no earth in my chart whatsoever.
However, I have learned over time to be more grounded and try
to be a bit more measured. And it's also the case at least
once a day, I'm oh right, I'm ina I'm in a human body.
That's right. I forgot because I spent so much
time in the ether and in my air,my airiness and my chart.

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But one thing I would say is that one big learning I've had
recently that I'd like to share with you is that is around
consent. But it's also learning to
tolerate when we get informationthat we know is going to really
help someone and understanding. One, they may not be prepared to
hear it. 2, they might hear it and do nothing with it.

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And three, might reject it. Flat out, they don't really want
to hear it. And it can be really difficult
to know what sort of informationthat we have and that spirit
wants them to know and connect them with.
And that ultimately as a spirit having a human experience, they
don't want anything to do with it.
So for instance, if I may, through a group of friends, I

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was introduced to someone and being connected with that
person, his parents started to come that are in spirit started
to communicate with me because he's like, I'm an atheist.
I don't believe in any of it, ETC.
So they would come visit me to the point where I, and normally
I'm so good about, you know, my light is off, the shop is

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closed, I'm not open to receiving communication, but
they were. So they have to come through
with so much love and energy andthey, I think they could
identify that this is our one way potentially to get through
to our son. So they would basically, I would
be woken up from the intensity of the energy and the love.
And it's not a scary for me. It's not a scary experience.
It's just, you know, I can feel that intensity of love and I

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remember voice noting or writingjust like, so all of these
messages that were coming out through, all of them coming
through. And I knew that I would need to
overtime build a relationship with this person because you
can't just pounce on them and say, by the way, your dead
parents have been waking me up in the middle of the night with
the strength of their love for the past six months.
Like, I'm not going to say that because that's wild.
Shit, right? Yeah.
You don't want a Long Island medium somebody?

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No. I don't want a Long Island
medium situation. It's not like it.
I have ethical practice and alsoI'm learning as well.
And also the type of informationwas coming through was so
detailed, so intense and about so many different things about
his private life, about his business.
I also, this was a big learning for me.
Like, well, he may not want to know any of this information.

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He may only want to know bits and pieces of it.
It's not up to me to choose which bits he wants to hear
which bits he doesn't. So this continued for some
number of months and I'll jump to the punchline.
We built up a relationship and eventually I just shared with
him, you know, some sliver of itto just say, you know, I believe
that your parents have communicated with me.
They come through with a lot of love and they have shared with

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me some messages. So if you're open to receive
them, I would be honored to, to share them with you.
And he just said, no, I'm just not that not interested.
So it's sad, right? It's sad.
I feel sad because I think this is transformative information.
But it's not up to me to decide if he will accept the message or
not. So his parents do still come
through from time to time. And I just say to them, I say

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thank you for trusting me and giving me, you know, sharing
this information. As you could see, I did try, if
you can, try to communicate through a different route.
I trust that he'll get the messages he needs.
And should his heart soften at some time, I will, you know,
invite you to reconnect with us.But Sally, for me, that was a
huge learning. And it felt, it felt like a

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devastating blow. But here we are.
Yeah, that is such a sad moment as a spiritual practitioner when
you are getting drops or things being told to you that you know
would be very life changing for someone.
And for someone not to be open to that, it's it's a sad thing
because it's like, OK, that person is not along in their

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journey like far enough for themto be able to take in messages
that way. So I've been in that place
before, not quite to that extentfor like months, but I do have
other people's guys checking in with me.
Sometimes if like I have a reading booked with someone or
if someones friends with me and their, their guide team comes
and visits and they're just like, hey, you might want to
check on this person or hey, this is what I need to tell you.

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Because when you build up that rapport with someone and you
become friends with your clients, or they were your
friends before they were your clients, you kind of have more
of a space to operate in becauseyou can say, hey, I want your
consent for this, but I have some stuff coming from so and so
or like this energy is like saying some stuff to me.
And you know, even if you are friends, people do say no.
And that's OK. Now, have I ever really had a

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time where people tell me no? No, I haven't, but I haven't
been practicing as long as some people and I just haven't hit
that wall yet. I'm sure I will at some point.
Have I had instances where spirit from like other people's
teams are like, no, you don't need to say that.
They don't need to know yet I have and it sucks because I'm
just like, I feel like a book ofsecrets.

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What is going on that's? A good confession as well.
Yes, it does feel like you you are so Privy to so many secrets.
It's true. And This is why I think it is
similar to being, you know, a therapist or a clergy person or
someone that you just go to. And it is such a, a private
intimate thing. Yeah, it's like when somebody
books a reading with you, it's like they're going to
confession. And then it's like, obviously we

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don't have something like HIPAA,but I think us a spiritual
practitioners have that unwritten code that we kind of
go by that we don't discuss verypersonal things outside of the
reading. You know, we don't talk about
other people's readings with other people.
We don't want to tell. We don't want to.
That's why any story I share, there are no names, there's no
identifying characteristics. Yeah.

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And I try to keep certain details out of it because people
can put two and two together sometimes.
But in a sense, I feel like it'sOK to do it in a sense where if
somebody like, knows this other person and they catch it, it's
like, maybe that's a moment for me to be like, oh, maybe I
should look at that. That even though they didn't
write come out and say it, sometimes you have to go to

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other readers for a professionalopinion.
And there's only so many detailsyou can keep out, right?
So, you know, yeah, be spiritually responsible and
don't give it away. But at the same time, like,
don't be afraid to ask another practitioner.
Hey, I have the situation. What would you do in this
situation? Because that's the human element
of it, right? And humans are meant to connect.
And the more spiritually alignedpeople that you find kind of to

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be a part of your tribe, that's the type of support you need to
be able to continue the type of work that we do.
Yes, it is very solitary sometimes, but it doesn't have
to be. And you can be solitary most of
the time and then have those resources that you can reach out
to. And that's really a 10 of wands
moment for people. Just like bearing the burden on
your own all the time. And it doesn't have to be that

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way. Don't let your ego prevent you
from connecting with like some amazing people.
You know, it's you have to put yourself out there sometimes or
maybe that person reached out toyou first, but you have to be
open for those types of connections, I think in order to
level up or you just kind of getstuck in that same stagnant
energy and eventually. You'll probably lose.

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Sight of what you're actually doing and either get out of the
spiritual practice or be, you know, being a professional
reader and just kind of move on working a normie job and
whatever. And that's a sad, sad day
because we always need more psychic mediums and more for
people being able to be tapped in to whatever the universe is
trying to tell us because there's a lot.

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There's a lot for sure. All right.
So I don't think that this is the last time that we're going
to collaborate on something together.
But what is Bexy up to now? Like what are some of the
projects you have going on if you don't mind sharing, or
things that you were looking forward to that you would like
to shamelessly plug? I'm going to shamelessly plug
right now that hot off the press, I am now offering pet

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psychic reading. So pet mediumship and this is a
way for you to connect with petseither that are living or past,
because I have found I've been doing this for a while for
friends and it's been really interesting for me and I really
love it. And I've always loved pets so
much. I love animals so much in the

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animal realm. I think we, I believe them to be
part of the angelic realm. I think they offer us a lot of
love, care, guidance and protection.
And I know that we love our fur babies.
So I am now offering this as a service.
Before it was just a thing I would do casually in the
background, but I'm putting thatout there and I know that sounds

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a little bit maybe a bridge too far for some, but let's see how
it goes. I think that's awesome.
I had a friend of mine, I was supposed to do a tarot reading
for her and she put up her cat in the in the video and she was
like, can you do a poll for my cat actually?
And I was like, never done it before, but sure.
No, I don't. I don't think that's super out
there. I think that's amazing because

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some people need closure and that probably helps.
Yes, and I still, I still get readings for some of my
childhood pets that I'm very close with, which I love.
They are still, you know, protectors.
They're still my familiar in some form, which always needs
her familiar, right. And then I'm still continuing
with my mediumship. But the other thing I'm doing is

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I'm starting to really exercise my muscles of channeling and I
do believe I'm working with a group of energies or some sort
of collective energy. So I'm just trying to explore it
now. I don't.
I'm happy to share more, so nexttime please follow up with me
and I'll tell you where I've gotten to with that.
But that's interesting and new to see what this is all about.

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Yeah, because I would love to talk to you about channeling and
transmediumship and that's something that I do.
So yes, yeah, it happens. Yeah, it happens on actually my
live stream sometimes. And people will be like what the
fuck just happened? Or they'll be like oh, hi
William. Because like, it's usually my
main guide who comes through anddoes that, but where can the

(01:01:57):
listeners find you on social media?
The best place is Instagram. I spend most of my time there,
and that's because that's where I seem to have a lot of
community there. That's Bex, BEX, under score,
Tarot, TAROT. I'm on Threads under the same
name. I think I'm still on Facebook
that same way, and I have a website, bextarot.com.

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Those are the very best ways to stay in touch with me.
Awesome, and you actually just joined the Savage Dens for
those? Yeah, my discord.
Yeah, go find backs on the Discord, But I really appreciate
you making time today, especially since we're working
with time differences, you beingin England and me being over
here. I'm so flattered by the

(01:02:39):
invitation. Love our I love vibing with you
pairing notes and I'm just excited to see where you can go.
It's incredible. You're such a powerful medium
with such a big heart, and I just know you're going to go
from success to success. Thank you so very much.
And I, I cannot say enough good things about you.
Even though we just met, I feel like I've known you for a very
long time, so we'll delve into that another day.

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There's definitely a Part 2. Yeah, no, I don't think it's
just the Part 2 Becks, sorry to tell you, but good morning, good
afternoon and good evening. Whenever you are listening to
this guys, I hope you enjoy going down the multiple Choose
Your adventure rabbit holes withus today.
And I'm looking forward to the next time we get together Yeah
and for whoever I bring on next to, you know, bask in the chaos

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'cause you know, Sagittarius dumpster fire.
So maybe we'll have some more grounded people.
But you know, luckily for you guys, Bex is an air sign so can
put out the fire or make the fire bigger a.
Fire bigger. I'm thinking of the elbow meme.
Expand those flames. Yeah, I'm thinking about the
Elmo meme with a fire behind them.
Chaos, But yeah, thank you so much again, Becks, for coming on

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to the podcast and I look forward to speaking with you
again soon. Yes.
And everyone listen to Sally when she is on my podcast,
Sessions of a Tarot Reader. Yeah, and be like me and go down
that rabbit hole and just listento all of the episodes in
consecutive order because I listened to like 6 of them in a
row while I was at work the other day.
So it's a really good listen, A lot of gossip, a lot of shop

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talk because, you know, spirit spirit be having some juicy
gossip. They sure do.
So all right, guys. Well, I will see you next time
with another episode. And yeah, thanks for being here
and listening. Bye for now.