S2 E15: Gemini Season Gab Session

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Welcome to the Mindful Sagittarius podcast.
I'm your host Sally and I have Anna Maria back and she is here
to talk about Gemini season withme today.
Hello, Anna. Hello everybody, It is Anna
Maria. I'm here to talk about Gemini
season with all of you. Yeah, this seems to be like our
tradition now is that every season we go ahead and do a

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podcast episode together to kindof give you an overview of what
each season looks like as we go into that next module over at
School of Witchcraft. But before we get started, I'd
like to do some shameless plugging real quick and talk
about this brand new joint collective venture that we've
gone along on. So do you want to talk a little
bit about our news social places?

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Yes, I do. Oh my gosh, has it really only
been four months since we started with the School of
Witchcraft? You joined with the Aquarius
module. It feels like it's been forever
and at the same time in in the last four months.
It's not that long of a time. So much has changed.
Finally, I am at a point where Ican start sort of cutting the

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cord between me and the school in the sense of like reclaiming
my identity and starting to givethe school of witchcraft its own
identity, which is the communal identity.
One of the first steps towards that was we now have some
shells. So the school of a witchcraft,
SOA witchcraft on Instagram and on TikTok is now a separate
account where we're going to pretty much figure out what

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we're going to do with it, with the whole community.
So I like to call it the community social account where
anybody is totally open to contribute to it.
Anything School of Witchcraft related is now going to be
there. And there are just so many
things that can be potentially done with that.
So obviously I'm reclaiming my accounts so that I can continue
to be Anna Maria and not just School of Witchcraft.

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And that's it. I mean, there are so many
aspects to my personality. You know, guys, I'm not just a
witch and I'm not just School ofWitchcraft.
Maybe I want another side project that were or, or
something. So you got to allow me to do
that guys. But also, Oh my gosh, the video
that we made, the introduction video, it was a tearjerker for
both of us. People from the community
contributed videos to sort of just like, hey, in a couple of

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words, like, what do you enjoy about the community?
Like, you know, why do you appreciate it?
What hasn't given you? Oh my gosh, Sally, tell me.
Tell me again about your first reaction when you saw the
montage video for that. It's all I remember.
We were talking about this and you were like, OK, what are we
doing for the season intro on these new social platforms that
we have going on? And I was just like, what if we

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did like a collaborative video? And it's not just me talking.
It's not just you talking since I'm running the Gemini module to
give you a little bit of a break.
But it's like, what if some of our community members sent us
some snippets because it's supersimple.
Just get on your phone, record aquick video of why you like
being at the school of witchcraft, what you get out of
it, whatever you want to say when you were just literally got

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the chills when you sent me thatvideo last night and you were
like, look at this because you and I have both been putting in
so much work, especially you think we both ended up staying
up until like 5 in the morning, respectfully in our times
working on different creative projects.
And literally it was a tearjerker.
I saw specifically I saw Katie start to talk because I had seen
some of these individual clips as they were coming in so I

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could send it to you and it had such a different impact.
I don't know if it was just like, the intention behind you
editing the video and like, you know, thinking about what this
could do for your platform and for your school.
But also because I know how muchschool of witchcraft has
impacted a lot of people in a lot of positive ways, whether
they lurk or actively take part in the Sunday Grimoor studies.

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Getting chills again, but literally.
People felt that way, you know, because a lot of it, you know,
we're moving more towards where we're warming people up to A22
directional conversation, make it more of a dialogue.
But still, for the longest time it has been mostly 1 directional
and people were just warming up.And this really kind of, I don't

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know this, this really broke theice.
But also, I don't know, it set my heart on fire just to watch
it. It was so I was so good.
I definitely had to help back some, hold back some tears
because as cheesy as it sounds like it emotionally like hit me
really hard, you know, with a combination of different things
that you and I have been experiencing throughout tar

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season. I think it was a great way to
kind of wrap it up and start a new chapter.
And not just school of witchcraft, but our personal
journeys as witches and just ourpersonal journeys period as
humans. And it just, these are my
friends, you know, every single person who contributed a video
to that, like are people that I talked to on a normal basis and
for our communities to merge, which naturally kind of

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happened. Oh my gosh, will I stop getting
chills throughout this podcast? I don't know.
But I literally had a psychic drop after that video went out.
And it was kind of like, this isthe beginning.
Literally this is the tip of theiceberg.
This is going to move and project like the projection of
where the School of witchcraft is going to go from here.

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I'm kind of really excited to see the growth because I mean,
you've been growing steadily in numbers.
And it's not just people who just kind of join and forget
about it. It's, you know, people who
actually need the information, people who actually sit there
and they think, oh, I never thought about this before or
hey, I have some input about this, but nobody's ever asked
me. So it's just funny how

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everything aligns the way it does.
And I know I use that word alignment or aligned a lot, but
I really feel like in the last couple of months, that's truly
how I felt about everything that's happened in my life.
And definitely with how School of Witchcraft has changed my
outlook and change my perceptionon what it means to be a witch,

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what it means for my spiritual journey, for other people's
spiritual journeys, and how we see the way that information in
the exchange back and forth. Because we're just talking about
this, about how we even met. Literally, I'm over here in the
US, you're in Europe. And somehow, some way, my video
hit your FYP. And it was about the Phantom

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Tarot deck, which we'll get intoin a second because that is our
twin decks for this season for Gemini, right?
But using the same deck. Right.
So you used to work for Lamuchi and you decided to comment on my
video. I think that was back in like
October before Scorpio season, because I remember seeing
Scorpio season posts on your Instagram and Tiktok.

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And I was just looking back. How cool is it that I've been
given this opportunity to be a part of your beta testing
program with School of Witchcraft starting in Aquarius
season and have been able to contribute and help and assist
and support you. And you've been able to assist
and support me in different waystoo.
So, Oh my God, that's actually one of the topics we're going to

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talk about in Gemini season. But I don't want to make
ourselves emotional too fast, too quick.
I'm at the beginning of this podcast, but.
I'm still going to make you emotional.
I want to say, I want to say that you literally Sally,
everything about your journey over this short, brief period of
time is like, I mean, you're already your own success.

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You're already your own. Like awesome person, you've
always been awesome, but like from my point of view also,
you're literally the example of what it is that I'm looking to
do with this platform, right? The the, the looking at things
from a different point of view, the way how you say your content
has also like changed up a bit with like even during the
duration of the Taurus season, right?

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How you're growing in many of these different aspects,
everything and all these benefits that you're saying
you're getting. This is literally textbook what
I'm looking to like give every single person, right, whether
they're already in some way starting out there in the middle
order, literally just beginning,like literally textbook what I'm
looking to do. And because of this, I don't

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know how to even call it. You're just you're you are what
I call a witch rising fast. You're you're basically a
volcano, right? And because of how things have
been going, look at you now taking over Gemini module for a
whole month. Yeah, no.
And I appreciate you putting trust in me to do that.
But you know, since you've, I think it started with high C

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season where I gave the lecture on the psychic mediumship and
when you approached me about that, I was like, OK, yeah,
cool, I'm excited, let's do it. But that's also when I was going
through a lot of identity crisiswith validating myself and my
abilities as a psychic medium and my capability and how people
perceived me, especially in the spiritual communities that I was

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a part of, not thinking I was crazy.
And you're correct, my journey has been moving so fast, but I'm
very fortunate that I'm able to explore like the witchy side of
myself with everything else that's going on.
I think it's a big of what I'm doing now.
And it's essentially become a huge part of my identity as a
content creator and an online personality.

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And I appreciate and thank you so much for being a part of that
journey. And I promise I'm not going to
try. I'm not going to cry right now.
Like truly, truly, madly, deeply.
I love you so much. I think you're such a great
person. You have so many great ideas.
And I think your amount of chaosand my amount of chaos just

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really balances each other out alot.
We just, you know, brainstorm a lot.
And even with you separating your identity as Anna Maria
versus Anna Maria School of Witchcraft, I think one day we
were talking and I was like, hey, if we're going to do this,
you really need to take a step back because I want you to have

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that time to take a break 'causeyou were so overwhelmed with
your job and just feeling creative blocks trying to deal
with your own human stuff. And I just really think that we
push each other in a way that it's feel supportive.
It doesn't feel like it's pushy,which is really funny because,
you know, I'm a Sagittarian and Anna Maria is a Scorpio.

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You know, sometimes water and fire don't mesh together very
well, but in our case it worked out, so I'm super thankful about
that. Even my perfume is Gemini
seasoning. It's cloud Ariana Grande.
I love that for you. Love Ariana Grande, so that is
great. I've actually seen her in

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concert twice. I traveled to go see her
actually. Yeah, that's funny.
If you guys are watching the video later, my mic color is
actually yellow, which is the Gemini season color for School
of Witchcraft, which I'm going to be honest, of course, it's
the season I take over and it's my least favorite color.
So I'm trying to appreciate the yellow because I'm just not a

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yellow person. I mean, I am yellow.
I mean, take it as it is. But I think that's why I'm so
sensitive to yellow, because of the racial connotation and also
just growing up I never really felt a pull to it.
So it's all good. I will learn to appreciate it in
good time. You know, it's cold, it's the
ray of sunshine and stuff. Yeah, but I'm not like a love

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and light sunshine and Daisy's person.
Well, sure, that's me, that that's you in a different way.
Which is kind of funny because it just really says how your
astrology really like the combination of your astrology
can really determine how your personality is because like,

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you're a Scorpio and you are mysterious.
You do have a lot of Scorpio traits, but you know, you also
have a lot of different facets that people don't usually see or
people do see that, but not yourother traits.
I think it's funny. Girl, it's my Cancer moon.
I wear my heart on my sleeve. Yeah, because we'll be talking

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and you'll just be like, oh, hold on, gotta come back.
I don't want to hear this right now.
And I was like, OK. Long story short, Sally's taken
over. I am excited to see how she's
going to experiment with the whole space because that's
literally the plan. I I want to give people the
ability to not just give lectures or contribute videos to
the social media or articles, but literally take over the

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platform, see what they come up with and how it's going to
improve. Because I can only come up with
so many ideas, but it every other person comes over and does
something unique with the platform.
Oh my gosh, the the possibilities of where it's
going to go and and the creativepower behind that is just
insane. I'm so looking forward to it.

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Listen, I'm already recruiting people to take over modules or
do guest lectures and whatnot. Maybe it's falling telling
people, but you know, I kind of have that role and play that
role of pushing people out of their comfort zone a little bit.
Obviously they do what they willwith it, right?
But sometimes I think it's good to have that friend or mentor or
colleague or, you know, somebodythat you talk to in the

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community that kind of pushes you out of your comfort zone a
little bit. You know, I straight up looked
at Persenius and I was like, youknow, you're doing something for
Leo season, right? And she was like, yeah, I don't
know who told me that. But when you said that on the VC
earlier, I kind of got that pingand I was like, yeah, because I
was projecting to mentally like,that's what you need to do.
You know, there's certain peoplethat I know what their signs

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are. And I'm just like, you guys have
so much input based on what I'veheard from you and I would
really like to see you explore that more.
A lot of people are kind of shy,camera shy or don't speak a lot,
but when they do speak, it's very impactful.
So I'm looking forward to see what people do.
And this is a good trial run forme because I've already
volunteered myself as tribute for Sagittarius season because I

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wouldn't have it any other way. None of us would even dare to
not suggest that savage Sagittarian Sally is not doing
Sagittarius season well. I don't know you, you might be
surprised. I might want to do Aquarius
season because that's my Aquarius moon.
You know, Taurus is my rising sign.
So, you know, I was just like going through this module like,

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oh, this is going to be really good and push me in a different
direction or I don't know, it could be disastrous.
But I thought it was interestinghow in Taurus season, that's
your descendant sign and that's my ascending sign.
So we brought a lot of differentperspectives.
I actually took a backseat this season other than, you know,
doing the the talk on money magic and the money

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manifestation. But other than being able to
take a backseat and be in a learner mindset and learn and
listen to other people, I reallyfigured out entire season.
We have a lot of community members who have so much more
knowledge than they make it seemlike they have.
They just needed the proper platform to do that in.
So the Discord is really such a great place for that.
I mean Ruvinka, I had had no idea that she would want to do a

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lecture on. Oh, yeah, I definitely, I had to
like literally pull that out of her a little bit, just a little
bit. I didn't do all that much
prompting. I was just like, Rinka, since
you mentioned Faye and it's the Taurus season, I say you should
do it. And then she reached out to me.
That's how little it took. It was literally just like, hey,
here's an opportunity. She digested it, She came and

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she did a great job and she needed not that much persuasion.
And there we go. She stepped out.
She did one lecture and I'm looking forward to do for her to
like do another one and I wouldn't be surprised if we're
going to dedicate a whole moduleto her at some point maybe.
Well she is an Aries so maybe next year for Aries season maybe
she'll. Take her have to be like that.

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You know people are allowed to represent any module they want,
right? Yeah, no, absolutely.
But she's definitely an Aries through and through.
Just like, you know, Jenna, who just joined our community, she's
definitely a Gemini through and through.
So I'm going to be talking to her this week about joining me
for one of these modules to giveher input.
I'm just seeing so many different facets of people and

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obviously we're all multi dimensional and have different
things that people don't know about us.
But Revenka, we are very good friends.
And you know, I know a good bit about her spiritual journey
based on what she's told me and you know, a lot of folk magic
things like that. But I also had her on my podcast
to talk about the Satanic panic and spirituality in the 70s and

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the 80s and the 90s, and it was such a fascinating conversation.
Actually, it's the most listenedto podcast episode I have.
Yeah, it was such a fascinating conversation.
And Akai from Australia actuallygave us the idea for that
podcast. And that really changed the
trajectory of what I wanted to do with this podcast, to bring

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different viewpoints and to provide a safe space for
religious tolerance, spiritual tolerance, and to also open up
people's eyes to different perspective.
Because, you know, I've had people who are Wiccan here, I've
had people who are agnostic, I've had people who are, they're
still Christian. I've had people here who believe
in the divine mother and Father,but they're not religious.

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It's a whole mixed bag of people.
And I really appreciate that because we don't have to agree
on everything or our spiritual practice, but I really wanted to
show people that spirituality comes in so many different
flavors as we talk about Baskin-robbins and one different
flavors. But you know, whatever your
flavor may be, this is a safe space for us to be able to talk

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about it. You know, doesn't mean you have
to change your beliefs, doesn't mean you have to start doing
things that you don't feel comfortable with.
And that's why I really appreciate School of Witchcraft
because it's different than my community where we talk mostly
about the psychic mediumship side of things or the divination
side of things. School of Witchcraft is really
such an open bag of different things.
Come on, enough promoting Schoolof Witchcraft.

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Let's talk, Gemini. You're making me blush.
No, you blush because you get excited about my drag content
because Jen is coming out a lot this season.
So yeah, I mean, I'm sure most of you guys know I do drag and
my drag persona is his name is Jen and the lore is like he's my
cousin, which is very closely related to my personal story

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actually. And I didn't put 2 and together
until recently, but I had a cousin.
He was actually AK pop singer back in the 90s and he
unfortunately unalived himself because of the pressure and
whatnot. If you guys are familiar with K
pop culture, it's you train fromwhen you're very young, young,
you're not around your family, you're in a foreign country.

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Most of them are from different countries that train there.
And there's the pressure. And he was actually a ballad
singer. And yeah, so that that's where I
got some of the idea for my character, other than my friend
Theron, who kind of came up withsome of the concept for that as
well. Yeah.
So anyway, so Jen is my cousin and part of Gemini season is

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embrace your duality. That is the big theme for the
season. So I was like, I think I'm going
to pull out my my drag persona. And the introduction video to
Gemini season is me talking backand forth to myself and roasting
myself. I watched that back so many
times and I was like, why am I roasting myself right now?
I. Love it everybody go check out

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on the School of Wishcraft, Instagram or TikTok.
Literally Sally's introduction to her taking over Gemini season
is, yeah, her engine having a conversation.
It's just so funny to see them in a quote UN quote room
together. Yeah, and I'll get better at
editing so I can do the green screen thing and like put them
in the same frame. I think that'll be really fun.
But I've already been exploring different things about Gemini

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season. But yeah, let's get into it.
Sorry this intro was so long, but it's been a little while
since we've been able to get together to record a podcast
because we've had so much going on.
Nerding about stuff and fangirling about our own
projects you mean? Yeah, but you know, it's it's
been great because I think we both did, you know, focus on our
physical health, our mental and emotional well-being entire

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season. So in Gemini season you get to
explore different things as you take a seat back and being
involved but not. Feeling the pressure of having
to do so many different things and get ready for the next
season. Let's go ladies and gents.
Gemini season is many things andalso many abstract things.
It is one of those seasons that people can't immediately put a

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finger on and sometimes is overlooked.
Sometimes people even don't notice Gemini season coming
about. And the element of air as a
whole is also so so abstract sometimes that people aren't
sure like from the top of their heads.
Like what seem like element of air, like what is air magic in
witchcraft, for example, or likehow do I work with Gemini as an

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energy and what have you? Well, it's actually pretty
simple, right? If you if you follow astrology
memes, they will depict Gemini as a sort of very on the surface
level, boring, unassuming personwho is low key probably a
psychopath. OK, well, yes and no.
So duality, yes, the keyword twins and what have you, Sally.
We'll be talking this season as well about the mythology and

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full behind it. But if I were to break it down
nice and simple into 3 aspects, Gemini season what it is, it is
after tourist season has grounded us or bored us or made
us stable. There's so many things that
tourist season would have done or gave, given us so much
pleasure that we're just like just you know, sitting here
absolutely mellow. Either way, Gemini comes in as a

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sort of temptation. This wind through the keyhole is
how I describe it in my post, where it's like, I wonder what's
on the other side. Yeah, it's, it's experimental
season. And basically where we are
moving away from the material world of a Taurus season.
And we are now entering the intellectual world.
And Gemini is an extremely intellectual sign and time

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period. And we're dealing both like all
kinds of aspects of the human mind.
We're basically dealing with thedark side of the human psyche,
with the light side, with all the shades in between.
Gemini season is a time that will really force you to almost
like put you in a position wherehave to choose a side only to
turn it back on you and be like,haha, actually the real answer

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was in the middle ground. Well, Gee, thanks.
Like couldn't we figure that outright?
And what have you on our own? And so that's one thing.
So some people might start having identity crises or
midlife crises during Gemini season.
Some start to diving into very unusual or out of character like
situations or talk patterns. For some people, it can even be

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as drastic as like, you know what, I'm going to do a whole
180 personality change. We're going to cut my hair
short. We're going to abandon
everything and go saving, you know, turtles in the Bahamas,
what have you. It's that kind of season.
On top of that, because Gemini is ruled by Mercury, which is
also known as Hermes Messenger or like God of messages and

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Messenger of the Gods and what have you.
We are dealing with a time wheredivination receiving and sending
messages is at its peak. This is one of my favorite and
most recommended times of the year where I recommend beginner
beginners in divination, beginner tarot readers to really
dig into polishing your skills or trying out new things or

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trying out new ways of divinating.
Whether it's like, oh, I'm goingto try pendulums, I've heard of
them, never tried them before orany other alternative forms of
divination. This is the time to really get
into that magic wise. But even if you're not
practicing distinguish, like generally people are going to be
getting quite a lot of pings andlike messages.
A lot of this is also a time period that I call like month of

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the angels, where if, if usuallythere are different seasons that
are really good for like, oh, the veil is spinning.
So we're talking to, I don't know, the dead, what have you.
That's more of a Scorpio season thing or, oh, now is a really
good time to work with goddessesof love such as Aphrodite.
This is literally a time of angels and demons.
And so if you're into that, wow,really cool time to start

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exploring that. Alternatively, also a pretty
risky time to start grounding, shielding yourself and
practicing your boundaries because this is the time where
angels and demons come out to play.
And then it's good to start sortof educating yourself on that
realm, even though for a lot of people this is going into a
slightly uncomfortable topic because now we're going into,

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we're talking the same language as a certain religious and what
have you. But this is a time where
generally we're talking about things and we're daring to talk
about things we don't usually dare to talk about because
that's just a very Gemini thing to do.
Like the more controversial the better, right?
Pushing boundaries and what haveyou.
So we shouldn't ignore it because understandably
witchcraft and spirituality and paganism has a very, very, we

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know what kind of relationship and history with certain
religions, especially Christianity and all of its
different forms. But still we shouldn't ignore it
and not educate ourselves in that sense, because it is,
whether we like it or not, a very powerful, very powerful
thing, a very powerful practice.And it is a practice, right?
And it's as valid as anybody's. So tapping into that and being

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able to as an eclectic which tapinto that as well, because as an
eclectic, which you do what you want, it's sort of drawing the
line at something. I would say that, hey, now is a
really good time to expand thoselines, right?
It's, it's strong, it's powerful.
There's a lot of interesting stuff in there and it's worth
exploring and seeing how you canget into that to start healing
any religious trauma that you have had as well.

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And then sort of getting into that without the whole feeling
like, oh, but those two things don't mix.
They mix very well, in fact. And the reason why even
Christianity has been so successful is because it doesn't
like abolish as much as it assimilates right, digests and
and mutates these practices to become its own.

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So it's sort of like a Pokémon fusion or Dragon Balls.
I don't even know my references anymore, but it's really good at
fusing those things. And the more you start digging,
the more you start uncovering how many traditions and
practices, right, are actually rooted in paganism.
That is one of the topics worth exploring during Gemini season.
And if you're not into any of that, the written word, the

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written word is at its peak, creatives such as a writers
might really start feeling the itch to start writing again,
getting into singing, getting into music and getting into
penmanship, what have you. This is just such a good, such a
good period for that. Sally, tell us more about the
other side of Gemini season as well that I haven't mentioned
yet. I mean, you went over most of

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it, but yeah, Gemini season is kind of a controversial season
for me to take over because there are so many different
things that we can talk about. Air magic is a topic.
Religion is going to be a very big portion of this season at
the very beginning. So we're starting off pretty
strong. So I suggest you guys buckle up
your seatbelts. It's going to be a wild ride in
Gemini season. Not only are we going to talk

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about Christianity and Satanism and the Wiccan religion, how
that pertains to witchcraft, butwe're also going to be talking
about religious trauma, taking spiritual sabbaticals as kind of
like an offshoot topic off of that main topic of religion.
We're going to be talking about deity associations, particularly
Hermes slash Mercury, depending on if you're looking at the

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Greek pantheon or Roman pantheon, but I think most
people kind of see them as one in the same.
It's just different names, different equivalents.
We're also going to be talking about Gemini mythology in terms
of definitely the the Greek mythology sector there.
And we are also going to be talking about specific types of
air magic, like working with runes, sigils, scrying,
channeled, writing about music. And I was kind of joking that on

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my Discord in my community, I might host like a karaoke night
because we all seem to really vibe with different types of
music. And yeah, we're going to be
exploring a lot of different topics.
Something else that I thought ofis talking about higher selves
again, because Gemini season duality, right, Twins.
This could also have something to do with you recognizing who

(27:56):
your higher self is and startingto connect a lot more at that
level or mid self. Diving into your shadow self.
Yeah, just different multifaceted parts of yourself.
And it's smack dab in the middleof the year.
So I really feel like people could benefit from talking about
that again, because we did explore higher selves, I think

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back in. Was it Aquarius?
Season, it was an Aquarius thing, because Aquarius is so
much about reaching your potential and the things that
you want to do and your individuality and your sense of
self and what have you, right? So that was an Aquarius season
thing. Yeah, yourself.
Time to bring that back. Yeah.
And it's funny because I remember that pretty clearly
because I think that one of the first lectures I really gave a

(28:38):
lot of information on because wehad just been talking about what
I do, and that's when we were starting to get to know each
other a little bit. And I think that was one of the
first lectures that I actually kind of spoke a lot.
I wasn't leading it or anything.You were.
But I think that's when I started to really understand.
Like, you know, I think I'm going to have a bigger part in
School of Witchcraft than I initially thought I was because

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I was literally just a student. And now here I am.
Girl, you just didn't know that.That was always my plan, OK?
You were, you were, you were the, you were the headmistresses
apprentice from day one. And now we're basically Co
running the thing unofficially, but officially.
But also, you know what? At some point we're just going
to say, yeah, it's basically I almost Co run at some point

(29:22):
sometime soon. I'm not even going to be overly
flirty or denial of that idea. I'm only looking forward to it
because basically you're just always helping me out any way
possible. But also the more people join in
and start kind of stepping out, the more people we'll have in
our faculty. So far we are a faculty of two,
right? Looking, looking forward to see

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who next on the community is going to show up.
Or maybe just like again from threads, somehow, some way
through a comment on a Lamouche deck, perhaps we're going to
have another which just join in out of the blue and be like, I
have a lot of lecture ideas. I'm just waiting, I'm, I'm
waiting for our third member of the faculty to show up.

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And it's funny because I just had like this Harry Potter
analogy. I was like, you're a Professor
Mcgonagall and I'm Professor Snape.
We're just Co running our our version of Hogwarts basically,
and I love it. It's it's such an easy working
relationship that we have. It's very creatively, creatively
influence. We just have so many ideas and
it's not like, hey, we have a set plan.

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This is what we're doing. It's our process is organized in
some ways, but very free spirited in others.
And I think that works for us because we don't stick to like a
very strict regimen. It's like at the beginning, I
think you had very set things you wanted to do and now you're
kind of listening to what the community wants to hear about
and kind of adding and kind of it's that ebb and flow, just

(30:48):
adapting as things change. So yeah, no, it's it's been
really great. So I guess we could talk about
kind of what we did in the last episode for Airy season, like
crystal associations, deity associations, just kind of get
into the divination aspect. We're going to do a poll for you
for Gemini season with our twin decks from Lamuchi and kind of

(31:09):
go from there. Let's talk about let's talk.
Yeah, hashtag not sponsored, wish we were, but let's start
with crystal associations and maybe color associations.
So Gemini season obviously I mentioned earlier least favorite
color yellow, so. Yellow.
Absolutely. You showed me the graphics and I

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was like, you just had to chooseyellow.
And then I did the research and yellow is one of the primary
colors of Gemini season. And so are, I believe it's like
lime. Let's see.
It's like, yeah, I, I think someshades of green, just really
plain. It's it's like a lot it's like

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if Libra as like air signs in general have this really
interesting colors of the wind kind of palette where it's like
kind of pink pastel colors. And then either make them more
neon for Aquarius season, more pastel for Libra or more just
like what even is this for Gemini?
So kind of how do I say, I don'twant to say ugly colors, but

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Gemini's literally this very interesting mix of just like all
these colors that seemingly don't match.
It's like we have this very likesky blue and then we have this
very like yellow, yellow. And then we have like this kind
of, I don't even know what that is.
Is that pink? Is that orange?
Is that red? So like basically all the other
colors overlook colors, the unpopular colors.

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Well, it couldn't make sense though.
Makes sense though because the duality aspect, like the dual
aspects of yourself might have different favorite colors.
And it is funny because I was doing some research and you
know, Gemini being associated with air.
Definitely lighter Blues and pastel colors, right?
Yellow is definitely like the overall main color.

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Yellow is thought to represent communication, intellectual
curiosity and versatility, right?
Because Gemini's a very commutative and adaptive sign
because multifaceted being. But I'm also seeing lime green,
it says a vibrant and stimulating shade that also
aligns with Gemini's curious andlively personality.
Peach, something to represent Gemini's charm that can evoke

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joy and acceptance. And mustard, a rich and earthly
yellow hue that can represent self respect and a touch of
flirtatiousness which you fully embraced in Gemini Seasonal.
Sorry, yeah, I just, I just out of nowhere called.
She's like hey, and I'm like hey, she's she's just like wow,
what's going on? Why is that a flirting with me?
Hello. Listen, are you really good

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friends with people if you don'tflirt with your friends?
That's just a thing. I think we just people practice
on each other, so when they're with their partner, it just
brings that out of them because you're comfortable enough to
like flirt with your friends andit doesn't really mean that
much. It's, you know, it's just part
of how we interact with people. You know, I want to normalize
telling your friends you love them, you know, that you care

(34:05):
about them. And especially with me being
friends with a lot of water signfriends and people who have a
lot of water in their chart in general.
I am a very watery person. Yeah, and so is Deanna, one of
my really good friends. She's a Cancer moon and Cancer
rising. I think the last podcast episode
I told her she needed to tell her Cancer placements that chill

(34:25):
the fuck out. Yeah, I do.
All right, so colors per Gemini are all of the above, with the
prominent one being basically toeasily remember, think of the
sky during the day. It's blue, it's the yellow sun,
it's the fluffy clouds, fluffy white clouds, clouds and air.
Like, like clouds are a very Gemini thing because of many

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symbolisms for the cover of Gemini season on the Patreon.
I have like Hermes standing there and then there's clouds
and like rays of sunshine just blazing down through the clouds.
It's just so, I love that. It's so cute.
I was almost thinking of going very controversial and just
putting some Hallelujah symbol symbology in there because it
was just literally the clouds parting and just, and it's it's

(35:08):
really related to the Lovers card as well, but we'll get into
that. You know, it's funny that you
compare the color palette to like the sunrise because me
being in a Sagittarius sun placement, Sagittarius colors
are colors of sunset. So oranges, Blues, purples.
And it's funny that I'm taking over a module that's kind of

(35:28):
like the opposite of what I am. Yeah, exactly.
And if you're wondering, so what's Aquarius with the, you
know, Aquarius association with night and the air sign, It's
neon colors. Everybody, it's night time.
And so you need neon colors so people can see you partying and
raving at your alien trans parties, you know, You know,

(35:50):
it's just like neon colors for Aquarius.
So yeah. So are you hinting that during
Aquarius season when it comes back around, we have to host an
online rave? Yes, yes, absolutely.
How did you know? You know, it's like, I know you
were something I don't know, I, I kind of figured your mind went
there. Yes, girl, absolutely.
It would be nice to host. We're going to call it the ball

(36:11):
of entities. We have such a thing in Latvia
at our neighbor, the ball of entities.
And it's basically this rave, neon rave party where everybody
just comes dressed up as all these different entities.
And also entities are just kind of like with us as well.
Been meaning to go every year. Just can't make it, can't get to
it. We're going to host our old our,
our own ball of entities, basically.

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Or you can just be like in the US where we just find any excuse
to go to a rave and when you go,literally all you see is ass
cheeks and thongs. Literally that's my joke.
When we go to raves here, it's like ass cheeks and thongs and
good for you self-expression. But literally like raves are so
different now than they were like back in the 90s and early

(36:52):
2000s. It's I'm such a long way and
we're talking about music. So yeah, I went to my first
electronic music festival last November, actually during
Scorpio season to EDC Orlando. Definitely going to go back
again, but wow, how? Like I think they said they had
250,000 people attend between two days.

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It was insane. Actually, no, three days.
Yeah, it was. It was insane.
They had to change venues for the this upcoming year because
they had so many people. Crazy my rave music taste ended
with ended in 2000. Basically anything that's
between anything before 2008. That's the only thing I listen
to honestly. I'm I'm still stuck in my like

(37:36):
high school days where for me I hear rave immediately goes to
and it's just a reverse fantasy because I don't if you're it's
basically that and like and like, I don't even know like
from the top of my head. Jesus, sorry, no lyrics.
All I'm hearing is just like. No, you're good, actually,
Jackie. Jackie was on the call with me

(37:59):
yesterday and she started playing Cascada and it was like
the time we touch, I get the feeling and every time we kiss I
swim, I can fly and I was like. Exactly.
Oh my God, I'm like being transported back to the age of
Avicii, Calvin Harris, all of these EDM artists.
And I was just like, wow, that was a time machine.

(38:20):
Throwback man, I was 13. I was listening to like hard
style trance music. I don't know why, but that's
what I was listening to All of us were listening to it.
We had no idea what a rave is and how nasty it well,
relatively nasty it is and not aplace for 13 year olds, but boy,
were we really happy pretending that we were in a rave, you

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know, turning the lights off in the classroom.
My school was basically an anarchy, right?
So nobody, no teachers, nothing was going on in there.
That's a story for another day, which is turn off the lights and
just like, OK, yes, exactly. So Gemini season.
This is what happens guys when we get on a podcast episode, we
just, we have too many topics wewant to talk about and so many

(39:02):
like side questions, but I thinkthey're entertained by it and
that's why they keep listening. I'm going to be listening to
Nightcore all night tonight. I think it's just it's stuck in
my head now. Nightcore all night.
What the heck is Nightcore? Hold on, let me finish.
Breathing, in which Gemini sees an air sign.

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Breathing is you know you're breathing.
You're celebrating the sign of Gemini.
Good for you. Where do I even start?
OK, most people know nightcore is basically it's a pitched up,
speed up version of a song, which makes it, you know, ravier
and fun or to listen to. But nightcore was also like an
actual artist. But we're not going to get into
that. We're going to get into the idea

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that you take a song, you pitch it up a little bit, it speeds
up. Maybe you add a little bit of
remix to make it a little ravier.
Boom, you listen to it and it's just, it makes everything
better. Every song is better when you
speed it up and pitch it up a little bit.
Like hold on, let let me send you an example.
Of what I'm talking about, let'sgo with Nightcore bad boy.

(40:04):
Fuck yeah. So you know, what I was just
thinking is that on the bingo card that we released for Gemini
season, which is going to be a thing going forward for every
season, 1 of my ideas for the bingo card was create a Gemini
season playlist. And I was just thinking we could
do a collaborative space, A collaborative playlist for
School of Witchcraft that peoplecan go to Spotify and add their

(40:25):
own contributions. I think that would be fun.
Oh my gosh, let's do it. It's literally going to be such.
Chaos. Chaos.
Yes, like every genre mixed intoa single playlist.
So I'm going to do a highlight on my Instagram stories, you
know, since I'm trying to move away from I'm taking a spiritual
break as well and I'm trying to do other stuff.
I'm probably going to do like a week of like from the vault of

(40:48):
Anna's playlists and just a genre per day.
You know, you my multifaceted taste in music.
OK OK I sent you a YouTube like just like I saw.
Enjoy some nightcore please. I saw that actually I listen to
a lot of lo fi hip hop or just alot of lo fi music but other
than that I listen to K pop and goth music and.

(41:10):
There's probably night classicalpop as well, so there.
I'm sure anything can be turned into nightcore, but I think
those are kind of like my main genre as I listen to classical
music, I listen to lo fi music, goth music, rock from like the
early twosins. I mean, my music tastes is very
eclectic, but that's kind of what I've been listening to
recently and a lot of like nostalgia with like music I used

(41:33):
to listen to in high school. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's a
thing I think spiritually reallyto kind of meditating to kind of
6 of cups energy, just looking back and just seeing where you
came from. You know, a lot of people, a lot
of people agree that they hate 2000s music, 2000 tens, which to

(41:57):
me is just like, how dare you? But also I understand why
because it was such a golden ageof music that you listen to it
now if you don't have the right mindset or approach or nostalgia
to it, it's just so cringe. Like, what is going on?
But that's the thing. Like, you listen to it and it's
just, it's fun. The whole point is that it's
fun, right? And one argument that people

(42:19):
have that. Yeah.
But also 2000 tens, like 2000s, whatever.
So misogynistic and what have you.
I'm like, that's the point. Like, listen, you're an adult.
You take power back into your hands when you're listening to
Pitbull going like, I met Susie and I slap her on the booty and
she said walk this way. What you're doing is you're
laughing at it and you're enjoying it and you're singing

(42:40):
these misogynistic so-called songs out loud because they're
just ridiculous. And because they're ridiculous,
they're also meant to like poke fun at this whole thing, right?
They're they're funny as heck. And as a woman, being able to
laugh at Pitbull going like forget about your boyfriend and
meet me at the hotel room and just going like we at the motel
hotel and, you know, exactly owning that, I think is like

(43:02):
much better than, oh, being offended by it.
No, don't offend. Laugh at it.
You're taking power away from itand taking that power back into
your hands. Right.
And so I am the more misogynistic the better.
I I screamed that shit out loud in karaoke simply just to show
people just listen how ridiculous it is, you know?
Yeah, no, truly. I mean music.

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Music is very powerful. Like way to communicate, but
it's also comedy, you know, it'sand maybe that's something that
I'll talk about. I feel like people who do stand
up. Yeah, But I think people who do
stand up comedy and that takes alot of confidence.
Definitely feel like Gemini season is a conduit to exploring
some of your confidence, right? self-confidence in yourself as

(43:45):
you're exploring different sidesof yourself.
But people who are stand up comedians, I have a lot of
respect for them. Not only is it a job that in an
occupation you don't really makelike a lot of money at first,
it's truly a passion project. But for you to be in a room of
hundreds and thousands of peopleand your job is to make them
laugh. It's it's insane.
I saw this comedian Iza, Jeez, what is her name anyway?

(44:11):
She's like one of those comedians that play on
millennial stuff a lot. So I'll send you a link later,
but literally, I think it's Scherlinger or something like
that, but she basically like goes through and talks about how
Jen's ears need to be nicer to millennials because we're the
ones fighting alongside you in the comment section on TikTok.
We ran on Myspace so you could run on TikTok, You know, you

(44:37):
know, our backs hurt, but we're here to support you because
we're trying to, you know, we'retrying to be helpful and be
those cool aunts and uncles, Butyou guys just hate us so much
for no reason. Yeah.
I love how Gen. Zers say millennials are so
cringy sometimes. We are really, like, our

(44:57):
childhoods are so traumatic thatwe had to lean on certain things
to really get through our childhoods.
And like, now we're going back and just kind of exploring what
we should have as children and as teenagers, you know, after
the pandemic, after, you know, it's now somewhat of a calmer.
It's not a calmer time, but it is is to in a degree because

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we're all in our 30s and 40s now.
So, you know, we have adult money.
We can do adult things. And, you know, if we choose to
reminisce and play our favorite,you know, really inappropriate
R&B music that we're not supposed to listen to when we
were kids, but we did anyway, that's not even that bad.
I'm talking about like Jay Holiday and Trey Songz, like

(45:42):
talking about sex, about everything, R Kelly, you know,
things like that. But R.
Kelly. Hell yeah.
We're not, we're not promoting the artists themselves.
You know, I feel like this is kind of like the thing that
people get into with like Harry Potter, right?
I don't have to respect JK Rowling to appreciate the Harry
Potter series. The Harry Potter series is like

(46:03):
its own egregore. It's like its own thing has a
life of its own. Fandom is so big.
Don't defend yourself, Sally. It's a Gemini season.
We are no. No, I'm not, I'm not defending,
I'm just, I'm putting APSA out there because there are so many
people on that hill of my God, if you support Harry Potter,
you're putting money in JK Rowling's pockets and yadda,
yadda, yadda. And I'm just like one free will,

(46:24):
freedom of choice 2, the work ofart versus the person who
created it, two different things.
So that's what I wanted to say because I've gotten just seen so
many different things on the Internet for the past couple of
years about JK Rowling. So same thing with R Kelly.
Yeah, he's a horrible human being.
But the music that he put out, that was a long time ago.
And if I appreciate a song like Ignition, because it's all over

(46:46):
TikTok and it's one of those songs that are like a core
memory for a lot of us, then showing appreciation for that
work of art is different than for that person.
So hell, that applies to me too.You could appreciate something
that I say or talk about or a tarot reading I give you.
You could completely hate me as a person, but don't hate the
message that I gave you because it's probably true and it

(47:08):
resonated and you don't like me because you didn't want to hear
the truth. I don't know.
You could hate me because I'm Asian.
You could hate me because I consider myself a witch.
You could hate me because you just don't like the way I look.
I really don't care. And that's something that I'm
exploring in Gemini season as well.
So anyway, I love how we jumped straight to like air magic
related things. Yeah, we're supposed to be

(47:30):
talking about colors and crystals.
Colors, Crystal Schmistel's comedy, I will highlight it
again. I'm I am totally going to be
working with Thalia, the muse oftheatre and the arts and comedy
so much because Sagittarius and Gemini are comedy seasons.
Nobody can tell me otherwise. I did a stand up comedy
performance for the first time this time last year.

(47:53):
I'm hoping that there's going tobe an open mic this month that I
can join as well because I love that for you.
That would be so cool. But if not, I'm definitely going
to lean into my humor or even ifI'm the only one laughing on my
socials because like, it is humor time, it is dark humor
time. It is humor that nobody's going
to understand time. So yes, lean into that guys.
Gemini season is allowing it. You know, I'm really

(48:15):
appreciative of you really challenging yourself with
different aspects because I remember in Sagittarius season,
you took your ass back to like adance studio and you ended up
competing in like an actual professional competition with
your dance team back in airy season.
And I'm super proud of you. You really push yourself out of
the comfort zone. And I remember when I saw those

(48:36):
Tik Toks, I was like, what the hell is she doing?
Like, OK. And then I watched the video and
I was just like, because I thinkthe caption was like, yeah, this
isn't something I usually do. And then I saw your progression
and I was like, damn. OK, Anna, OK, you do your thing.
And it's like you push yourself out of your comfort zone so
much. And I, that, and the other thing
that I love is that you're talking about Thalia because

(48:58):
came up in a, in a reading that I did for you, I think, and I
had some drops and like, you're really taking it and like
running with it. And I, I, I think it's funny how
you're taking a spiritual break,but it's like, it's allowing you
to explore these other things atyour own pace instead of like
forcing yourself to be like, oh,I have to be woo woo today.
It's just what's naturally coming to you.

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You're just kind of embracing it.
And yeah, Thalia being a patron of the arts and being 1 of
Aphrodite's handmaidens. I think it's perfect because,
you know, we worked with glamourmagic and aesthetic magic this
past season with Aphrodite. And that seems like a natural
progression to me. Thank you.
Thank you, shall we do a cart pool?
Feels like a good moment for a cart.
Pool. Yeah, we can.

(49:40):
I mean, this episode is all overthe place to begin with, so it's
all good. But we both are twinning today.
We got our Lamouche decks of thePhantom deck.
It's currently 50% off. You guys go get it.
That's Phantom on the lamouchedesign.com.
I don't know if it's still goingto be on sale when this comes
out, but either way, she's doinga re release.

(50:01):
It's Phantom Reborn on Kickstarter and that's why the
previous deck is on sale. They're so shiny.
I mean, Jesus Christ start. With there's two different
versions of this current deck too.
I think you have an older version and I have the newer
version and. Unlimited Edition, 1st Edition.
Yeah, so I actually got mine on Amazon.
So if you're in the US and you would like the Phantom Tarot

(50:22):
deck, you can check out probablyTikTok shop or I think right now
the best place would be Amazon. But yeah, I mean, if you want to
go support the creator directly,go to their website, But I don't
know how you're going to do yourreading, but I'm going to kind
of do it by week by week for Gemini season.
So if you want to go ahead and go first, go for it.
If we have the same cards pop out.

(50:43):
You know, seems to happen a lot.Let's go.
Let's see how are we going to dothis?
So I'm actually going to yeah, why not?
We're going to ping Pahlia because I'm looking for a light
hearted, good sense of humor kind of reading and haven't
really thought of whether or notI'm going into any more deity
work this time yet. Haven't chosen shuffle, shuffle,

(51:04):
shuffle. All right, give it to, I mean,
what is our next 4 weeks going to look like?
Like let's see, what are we doing?
You know what, I'm going to do apersonal one because you're
going to do a collective one either way, I'm sure.
So I'm just going to see what's up in store for me because I do
like a spoiler because I never listen anyway and I forget
immediately. And I was rereading the
introduction to Taurus season just recently, episode that we

(51:28):
did on Money Magic. I listened to it again like a
few days ago. I was like, damn, if only I knew
what I know. Now, 4 weeks later, OK, tell me
123, we're going to go with four.
But also we have our. Yep.
OK, interesting. Yep.
What do we got at the bottom of the deck here?
Lovely. What is going on?

(51:48):
All right, so I got judgment immediately and I love that
because I think judgment, I see angels and what have you.
It's very thematic when judgmentcomes up for me, and this is the
judgment card for the beautiful La Moochie deck.
I always think of it of just like it is time.
It is now time. You know, a new thing has been

(52:09):
coming, a transition has been coming and it is time to step
into it. It's basically the call has been
answered and you're going to get, and I get what was you were
supposed to get like destiny, what have you.
So something cool is going to happen.
I like that. Or rather, it's me celebrating a
milestone of what's already beengoing on.
I think I like it because the judgment card is about divine

(52:30):
signs, also a theme that we are exploring in Gemini season with,
you know, angelic presences and demonic presences and all those
things. Too.
Yeah, and if funny you would saythat because we got the Devil
card as well. Right under judgment.
So there it is, synchronicities.I love this for you and.
So it's interesting because likeOK, Gemini, we're dealing with

(52:51):
the Lovers card, right? And as I was saying earlier
today during our Sunday coven, what have you at the higher
offense, the Lovers and Devil card are basically the same
thing, three sides to the same like dimension.
We have the divinity of the Lovers, we have the devil and

(53:12):
the two people that are chained below that.
And then we have the hierophant with like representing, you
know, structure, order, what have you, everything that is man
made and also two people bowing down.
I like that the lovers card focuses not on the divine
figure, but it's literally it. The devil is the key figure here
on the devil card. The Hierophant is the key on the

(53:33):
higher on the hierophant card, but the divine figure is not.
In fact, the main person of the lovers card is the two people.
For once, we are finally turningto actual humanity, right?
And what it is that it represents a Lovers card for me
is really humanity as a whole. But the fact that we got the
devil card, let's see, how did Iinterpret the Devil card in this

(53:54):
situation? You know what?
Actually, I don't interpret thisas a separate thing.
I really am going to see it as the other side of judgment,
right? We got this angelic figure.
We got this demonic figure. I really feel that we are coming
to a point where yay Hooray, divine messages, yay Hooray, I'm
where I'm supposed to be and also, Oh no, I got to start

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fighting a new boss, new boss unlocked, new level.
That means I have to start with a new challenge all over again.
MercyMe. But OK, reality, what have you,
we're going to be dealing with some really good stuff and some
stuff that we'd rather wouldn't be.
But on either side, I got the 10of swords and I got the seven of
ones. OK.
And on the bottom of the deck, of course, we have 6, 6 of ones

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under 7 transition. I think of swords, of course, as
I like how we just talked about death of the author, and then we
literally have this person just death by air, death by swords,
death by intellect. I think it's pretty explanatory.
I see it as the takeover that's happening right now with you and
how moving on forwards as well. I'm kind of allowing the school

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of witchcraft to become and morph into whatever it wants to
be. So that's that side of it.
Amazing. Death of the author continue.
We're appreciating it and I'm just another contributor just
like everybody else. 7 of Wands This is a very interesting one
because usually we see 7 of Wands as someone who's like
speaking about or rather no, wait, wait, I'm thinking of the
Seven of Swords. 7 of Wands. Hold on, let me position it

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quite nicely. I need a sip of coffee for this.
7 of wands While we have the deaf of the author on the other
side, on the other side, I have me standing up for what it is
that I am passionate about. Or perhaps even just like taking
the mic back. Taking the mic back in, in my
hand. It's just sort of like, OK, I
have other passions as well. You guys.
You know, I have to say, this ispretty much a reflection of what
I've already said. So I'm going to take this

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reading as validation that what I said is pretty much what I
said. I said what I meant and I meant
what I said, right? So 7 of wands taking the
microphone into my hand and justlike you guys, this is what we
got going and I'm standing up. Also, 7 of wands in this deck is
shown as this guy going up, right?
This ledge going up the stairs, and there's a gap in the stairs.

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And then I have to be really sneaky about it.
I'm just like using one of the ones as a stepping stone and
what have you. So I like to think, yeah, OK,
Message received. Upgrade level up.
Loving it. I have nothing more to say for
myself. Do you want my interpretation on
your full? Always.
Awesome. So all right.
And I'm kind of curious what's on the bottom of your deck.

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You know what I was going to askyou?
Yeah, it depends, right? Because at the bottom of
Judgment we have 9 of ones, at the bottom of seven of wands we
have 3 of cups, at the bottom of10 of Swords we got 6 of wands
reversed, and at the bottom of the Devil card we have Ace of
Wands. Interesting how you pulled all

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fire suits at the bottom of eachcard.
So I feel like the the pull thatyou did for yourself is very
creatively driven. Wands is fireside energy.
So you have Aries, Leo, Sagittarius, but it's also about
creativity, new opportunities, ideas, exploring passion and
creativity in general and very fast moving.

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Yeah, definitely fast moving energy because the wands are the
fastest moving energy in the deck.
So let's start with judgement and a Devil.
All right? So duality, absolutely judgment,
you know, waiting on divine signs, kind of waiting, waiting
in the rafters. Like, OK, when should I do this?
And I feel like that does relateto you a lot, as what I know
about you is you have a lot of ideas and you want to move

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forward, but you hesitate a goodbit because you're kind of
trying to think through all the precautions you have to take,
all the consequences and things that can happen.
Basically, you're kind of like, OK, what could possibly go
wrong? OK, these are the things that
could go go wrong. It's like you're optimistic but
pessimistic at the same time. So I think that card definitely
says a lot like, you know, OK, let me wait on some

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synchronicities to happen. OK, let me wait on a sign to
happen. And the devil's like, no, you
need to take charge because the devil's a very traditionally
materialistic kind of selfish type of card, right?
And represents a sign of Capricorn.
And what I feel like the devil is telling you is that this is
the time for you to take some time for yourself and to also
figure out what you want, the things that you want to invest

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your time in. It's not about the materialistic
possessions at this point. It's about creatively, what do
you want to do emotionally, mentally, Where do you see
yourself exploring different things?
And so you had the 10 of Swords and the Seven of Wands, 10 of
Swords kind of, I'm getting the vibe of kind of breaking up with
yourself to get back with yourself, if that makes sense.
10 of Swords kind of talks aboutbetrayal and seeing things from

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a different perspective and going through a lot of growing
pains is how I'm reading it. Also, swords are the suit of
air, which I'm going to talk about in just a moment, but kind
of like death to the person thatyou knew and reinventing
yourself, as the Seven of Wands is saying, standing up for your
beliefs, standing up for what you're deeming as important.
And with all those cards at the bottom of each deck in the wand

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suit, you said you have the ace,you had the 9 of wands.
Is that what you said? And then you have the Three of
Cups. Sorry, I have a secret card that
I haven't revealed to you yet, but I will reveal it later.
But yeah, 10 of Swords we have 6of wands in reverse.
OK, so 6 of wands feeling like you're not experiencing the
winds that you felt like you needed to be experiencing.
I feel like Tara season was sucha drag for you.

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So moving into Gemini season, you're like, I'm ready to get a
win somewhere, right? And what's your next card?
7 of wands. We had three of cups.
K3 of Cups, working on relationships and the social
aspects of things and finding your tribe.
And I feel like you are doing that right now.
And I think you had like Ace of Wands in reverse.

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Yep. Just you kind of shot down a lot
of ideas that you had because you're like, I do not have time
and space for this right now. And yeah, you're realizing as
you're managing your time betterand managing your energy levels
as to what you're putting your energy into.
In Gemini season, you're going to find yourself very successful
with exploring new things and finding things that you actually

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want to invest your time in. Like you said, doing the comedy
thing, exploring writing fan fiction again.
So I think Gemini season is going to be very busy for you.
Even though you're taking a break somewhat spiritually, I
think as a human you're going tobe very busy.
So I I love that pool for. You what else is new?
Yeah, but it's it's you spendingtime on the things that you
actually want to do, not that you feel obligated to do.

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So I really like that for you. At the the very first thing that
came out when I finished shuffling was a course page of
wands. So that's me all this season,
so. I love that.
If you saw my stories on Instagram, you saw that I pulled
out. Perhaps you saw that I pulled
out a novel that I low key kind of finished back in like 2000.

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And I don't even know when that was 1716.
Been writing that for four yearsbefore that and I was like 21.
I just randomly pulled that up afew days ago.
I was like, oh, look at that. It's like 170,000 words.
That's like 2 novels in one and just.
And I was just talking to myselfin my stories as I do.

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I was just being like huh, well I was going to write in Gemini
season. Maybe it's about time I actually
edit this thing and have, you know, see what was wrong with it
because, my gosh, I need to get back to that at some point.
I have so many unfinished novels, but that one Jesus.
It's all good. I mean, now is the time for you
to kind of get that process started and you know, maybe it's
a project that you are willing to invest more time into in the

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future. We'll see.
Yeah. All right, so I'm going to get
into what I pulled for Gemini season for the Collective.
And it's funny because the very first card I pulled was the
Three of Cups. Hello 3 of cups.
Yeah, 3 of cups symbolizing friendships, relationships, just
really harmonious gatherings, harmonious decisions, very much

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like aligned in the way that you're thinking, feeling.
And I feel like definitely with this collective Scorpio flower
moon, a lot of us felt a lot of the same thing.
Just I feel like the more and more we're aligning and you
know, Pluto and Aquarius, which is going to be going on until
2043. I keep saying that because I
kind of keep putting it into perspective for myself how long

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this period of Aquarius and Pluto's going to be or Pluto and
Aquarius, sorry, but really finding your tribe and making
things work in the way that it aligns with you and not forcing
it like the three of cups is very harmonious.
Like you don't have to force things, it just kind of happens
naturally. I also have the two of Swords
and with the moon above the person's head there, this person

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has their eyes closed holding 2 swords.
This is very much so to a Pentacles type of vibe in terms
of decision making. How I read this card is you're
going to have some emotional decision making that's it's
going to come up for you. The moon symbolizes figuring out
how did you choose to listen to your intuition instead of just
making blind decisions? Because that person, they have
like a bee in front of their eyes kind of like blocking what

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they're seeing. And I think it's funny because
it's like 2 swords and then you have two little entrances at the
bottom. It's like literally if you split
this card right down the middle,it's almost like identical
except for a couple of details. And it really speaks on the
duality. So yes, look at the pros and
cons, but also do what feels right to you.
Because I also pulled the 9 of Wands upright.

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The 9 of Wands is like the culmination of a cycle almost
completing itself. The 9 of Wands is also taking a
last stand. So if there's creative projects
that you need to finish out before this new season starts,
like coming out of Gemini season, so before June, kind of
wrap up the projects that you'reworking on so you can make more
room for other things that potentially deserve some more
time and space. And that also tells me why I

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pulled the Three of Swords in reverse.
There might be some relationships and connections
that you are really hesitant about.
Did you pull that as your secretcar?
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's like we're
aligned or something as tarot readers, The Three of Swords is
telling me in the reverse position that you are re
evaluating a lot of different things, but you're hesitant on
making those cuts in your life. I don't know if it's because you

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feel like these people deserve second, third, fourth chances,
if it's because they're connections that are very hard
to cut off. But really, as you're exploring
your duality and embracing your duality, I think you might be
embracing different parts of people and maybe looking at how
your relationship should change with these people.
Maybe you're super close to somebody, but maybe you can have

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a relationship with them just ata distance.
Maybe somebody who didn't align with you before all of a sudden
did 180° turn, which does happensometimes, genuinely.
And maybe you explore being closer to them.
But All in all, pull the moon card here for the overall vibe
of this reading at the bottom ofthe deck, the moon in reverse.
Just really, Yeah, always lean into your intuition.

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But at the same time, you can question things.
It's OK if things are coming up.Get with your spirit team, get
with yourself, check yourself because maybe you are too afraid
to look at the duality part of the decision making process.
Like you're kind of set in your ways and you don't want to
entertain other things. But you will have to make
decisions at some point. Not making a choice is also a

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choice. And I have the wheel of fortune
when I cut the deck in half. And it's kind of like, take this
time this season to really focusin on how to change your own
luck. You don't have to wait for
divine signs. If you think that something is
aligned and you're trusting yourintuition, then do the damn
thing. Don't worry about the
consequences of it until you getthere.

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I feel like people have too muchdecision paralysis or have FOMO,
and you have to get to the pointwhere you have to realize you
have to make decisions in order to move forward.
So it seems like the first week of Gemini season, you're in a
pretty good place with your relationships and kind of where
you're sitting. You feel pretty confident second
week, you're going to be dealingwith some rough emotional

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situations or a situation that'sbeen on your mind for a while
that you're going to have to face.
But lean into how you feel aboutit.
Don't worry about what other people are saying to you.
Third week, 9 of wands, and it kind of relates the seven of
wands you pulled through yourself.
It's believing in what you believe in and kind of taking a
stand for yourself, right? But 9 of wands, it's like this
is it I'm giving this another chance or this is the final,

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final stand that I'm taking about this thing because 10
wands bearing the burden on yourown and finishing out a cycle.
I'm I'm ready for this to end orso I can move to the next thing
And the last week of Gemini season before we get into cancer
season, which is a lot of emotions wearing your heart on
your sleeve kind of energy, right?
Really kind of assessing where you at with your relationships

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with people doesn't necessarily mean you have to cut people off
completely, but re evaluate and reassess where you sit with
those people. Are are they like a long term,
very low stress, low maintenancekind of friendship that it's OK
for you to keep around? Or are they toxic and draining
the lifeout of you? Are they energy vampires?
So that is the overall reading for the season.

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And if you'd like, we can talk about the Lovers card here a
little bit more representing thesign of Gemini.
So I'm just going to kind of give you my thoughts on it.
The Lovers duality first and foremost.
You also see kind of like a celestial being in the
background that looks like an Angel actually sitting on the
clouds underneath the sun. This biblically also represents
Adam and Eve to me. When I see the standard right

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away tarot deck, it does look like Adam and Eve in the Garden
of Eden. So there are a lot of Christian
symbol, Christian symbolism in tarot, which is really funny to
me because tarot is still seen as controversial in a lot of
places by a lot of people. And the lovers card is about not
just duality, but harmonious decision making.
Are we on the same page? So that could be when you're

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talking about yourself, it couldbe a partner, it could be a best
friend, it could be a family member that you're close to.
But are we aligned? And I think Gemini season, we're
going to be questioning a lot of, OK, is this person worthy to
be in my circle? Am I giving my energy to the
right person? Am I being a good person to this
person? Am I trying my best with the

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spoons that I do have to maintain these relationships and
to be a good creative partner, agood antic partner, a good
friendship partner, a good collaborative partner to this
person. So that's how I'm reading
Gemini. What about you?
I really like how in this card the centerpiece is even more

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focusing on the Lovers because in say the original writer
weight the design, you still seethe divine figure as the main
thing at the very slap dab in the middle, and then the Lovers
are just kind of on the left andthe right.
It always mirrored the Hierophant and the Devil here in
our deck. The lover's card is a little

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different. It removes that division between
the two, having them stand on either sides and instead they're
just sort of like, you know, in a semi loving embrace, walking
together towards somewhere. But they also look like they
could part any minute. That sort of visualization, the
divine figure or Angel or however we want to interpret
them. It's just taking a step back and

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just being like you do you Boo. And and the idea that they look
like they are either about to race or part ways is what I
really like about the understanding of how I read it,
right? Is it's OK to have and go have a
little adventure and to go on a little adventure if you feel as
long as you feel secure enough, right?
That if we're talking about a partnership, if you're talking

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about yourself and your own stability, self love, what have
you, that you have a stable place to come back to and to
share all those adventures with,right.
So in the spirit of Gemini season, if you need to, you
know, have a little crisis, if you need to lose it for a few
weeks, if you got to just go outthere and, and figure yourself
out and what have you, you totally can and you should and

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you can and you could. If doing that is something that
absolutely destroys your life asa whole, then is that even like
a stable life to begin with? Like did you really want to
stick with that anytime longer? The idea that you have the
safety and the stability and thesecurity of the people around
you, right? Assuming you're in the right

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place at the right time with theright people to just walk away
for a second and do whatever it is that you want to do and come
back. And if you don't have that
security, then it's obviously just a big sign that you are
just not aligned with these people.
These people are aligned with you and your situation is not
aligned with you either, right? So that's how I would read the
visual representation of even like the Lovers card over here.

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Essentially me taking a break from school of witchcraft.
I have again, we're gonna bring back this analogy.
I have full faith that I'm gonnago.
Nothing horrendous is going to happen and then I'm going to
come back and people are going to accept me back with open arms
and it's going to be Sally's like you're sure nothing
horrendous is going to happen. You know I'm not going to set it
on fire. Even if so, I have all the, I

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have all the confidence that I'll be able to come back.
The people are going to welcome me back and all is going to be
fine, right? So that's telling me that I have
a secure relationship with what?The school, with the people,
with the platform, with you. And they in return have a secure
relationship with me, which allows us to go do our thing and
come back together, right? It's not keeping yourself in

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chains, so to say. Because again, the Hierophant is
keeping the two individuals on the card in place with fear.
The devil is keeping them in place with chains and addictions
and like ultimatums or like, youcan't be without me, right?
Kind of. And here it's more of AI can
totally. So what I'm looking for, what's
it called when you have a version of something in another

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version and then you're just kind of like, OK, let's see what
are the differences and put it together.
Compromise. Compromise.
Perfect word that I have forgotten.
Gemini season my ass. What is it not?
Not validating, not compromise, not auditing.
Definitely not auditing. Alignment.
Compromising, but, you know, hold on.

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Collaborating me. I was going to talk about
codependency. Actually, while you're thinking
of your word. I just got the drop that Gemini
season is also about breaking codependency with people, with
things you don't need A, to survive as B, You know, you have
to learn how to survive on your own and figure things out for
yourself. Yeah, it's great to be aligned

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with other people. But Gemini season is also about
those two twins as individuals. So yeah, embrace the different
parts of yourself and of different people, but also at
the end of the day. Consolidating corporating, yes,
and integrating, these are all beautiful words I wanted to say
one way or another. Yes, the two parts as you said.

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Yeah, but I really think that kind of goes in hand in hand
with the codependency too, because like in the devil, they
are codependent on addiction andon each other.
And with their relationship withthe devil himself, the
Hierophant, they have that codependency relationship.
Looking to the Hierophant for answers, the lovers, their
codependency on each other and to the divine powers that be
that created the garden that they're in.

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Yeah, I would definitely advise people in Gemini season, explore
all the things, do everything that you want to do, but really
come back and reevaluate the relationship you have with
yourself. Is also a word that was
something I wanted to say. This is what?
Happens when you get neuro spicypeople together.
I love that. No, I'm glad you figured out
your your plethora. Sorry, plethora of words in your

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vernacular to piece together forthat can do.
Words. Yes, you can.
You're a writer. You can do this.
So I know we've been going for alittle bit crystal associations
wise. I just wanted to kind of
interject and we're not going todo what we did in Aries season
and go through like an entire list.
But me personally, the crystals that I associate with Gemini

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season that will be of a lot of good use, I feel is going to be
still celestialite. It is a crystal that I associate
to Hermes actually. It's very light blue.
It's very pretty clear, kind of like quartz.
So if you want to look up some celestialite, super pretty and
also a puffle and clear quartz, just amplifying your magic,

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amplifying different things and it kind of goes with that, lets
you know we're exploring so manycomplex things.
Let's keep it kind of simple in terms of crystals and maybe
amethyst as well for kind of exploring different things,
especially spirituality related.Amethyst is a good amplifier for
that. What about you?
First of all, Angelite because Angelite it's in the name, and

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Kayanite are two of my favorite blue like light blue stones that
are so so good for amplifying like my divination and psychic
abilities. Yeah.
No, that's great. Off there for a second, Yeah,
Terrified Angelite and Kayanite and of course, yellow.
Everything that is yellow, we'retalking yellow.
We're talking citrine, we're talking yellow Topaz.

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We're talking like peachy colored stuff, like peachy
moonstones, sunstones. Sunstones especially are like
really good metals. Gold is a really good thing to
work with. You don't think of gold as a
crystal or as an element, but like even metals, silver, gold,
copper, bronze, what have you. These are also tools of the
witch, right? So definitely working with gold

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and with copper. And on top of that, once again,
pyrite strikes again as fool's gold, a really gold.
Good thing to to use for that. I'm an honorable mention, blue
appetite, good for intellect andcommunication, which Gemini is
known for. And you mentioned the gold
stones. I would definitely recommend
like honey calcite, labradorite.It's actually good for the

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season 2 and Tiger's eye for communication and stability.
But yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking about.
A great. All right, so some of our
favorite things to talk about isdeities.
I feel like this conversation goes so many different
directions. So we actually didn't talk about
this beforehand like we did lasttime.
So Anna Maria does not know whatI'm about to throw at her other

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than Hermes. So, and I would love to just get
real time feedback based on where you're sitting at because
you have such a diverse knowledge of different deities
on the East Asian side too, because you, you know, grow grew
up in East Asia, Southeast Asia,in Thailand.
So you're exposed to some thingsthat I haven't been.
So we're going to go through some things.
And then if you have feedback, great.

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If not, you guys have names so you can do your own research,
right? So let's start, I guess with the
Greek pantheon, because that's kind of like the gateway
pantheon for everyone here. And start with Hermes, who's
also known as merged fury and the Roman pantheon.
Hermes, the God of communication.
He's also known as a psychopom and helping transport spirits in

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the afterlife. He is like the mediator and the
messenger of the gods, right? So he's travels between a lot of
different realms from Olympus tothe underworld to humans.
And you know, I, I can never associate Hermes without
associating him to vanity because if you do work with
Hermes, he loves compliments. Like, it's very common for
people to be like Hermes. You have a very beautiful

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posterior. You know, he likes being naked
in a lot of different versions of how people see him.
I have the gay version of Hermes.
So he's very, he's very vain. Daffodils are a very good flower
and plant for this season as well because of the Narcissus
symbolism and legend behind it. You know, he fell in love with

(01:17:29):
his own reflection until he became a flower or something
like that. And.
Although he was, yeah. Although he was cursed to be
that way. And.
Yeah, but in terms of Hermes, I can't picture Hermes without
thinking of the animation Hercules movie where he's kind
of like this older guy with like, these cool sunglasses with

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the wings. And he's just like, yeah, I'm a
hippie. And I'm just like, that's how I
imagined Hermes before I actually started talking to
Hermes. So that's kind of funny.
But have have you had any experiences with Hermes?
I know you quoted me on a, on a video for Taurus season where I
was doing the Apple thing and you're like NS, Sally said.
Praise Hermes. No, no, not at all.
I'm very like low key with my Greek pantheons and so I'm I'm

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very basic surface level knowledge for this.
It's all good. I guess that's where I come in
because this is kind of like where I know a little bit more
versus you having knowledge on so many other things.
I just want to give some honorable mentions here.
Nike, the goddess of victory, it's also a good here, daughter
of palace and the infernal riverStyx, which is really

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interesting. She represents victory.
Also Athena, she is known as thegoddess of wisdom and victory.
So kind of associating with Nikethere.
And also Apollo and Artemis, thetwins, not really them
individually as the different things that they do.
Apollo is the God of the sun, Artemis, the goddess of the
hunt, also associated with the moon, but the twin aspect of it.

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And honorable mention here to Castor and Pollux, twins of Zeus
and Lita, and we'll get into that somewhere else, but there's
a lot of Greek associations withthis season.
So adjacent to the Greeks, we have the Norse pantheon.
And the big two that I kind of associate with for this season

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is Loki, the God of mischief, and just the gutter goblin, as I
call him, and Freya, who was a very multifaceted goddess
because she does a lot of different things.
Any feedback on those two? Hermes I know one thing also has
a mischievous side to him. He with the with Loki is
mischief and Incarnate. In general it's a really good

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time to be working with said mischievous deities.
Not only the IT is of like messaging, but mischief in
general because Gemini has this very mischievous 2 sided side to
it of like even Gemini isn't sure which side they're on on
any given time, right? So which is very cheeky and
mischievous and very kind of like trickster energy.
So any pantheon with a tricksterGod of any kind is a really good

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thing to work with. That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, definitely. I was just thinking to myself,
like, Loki is almost chaos Incarnate.
So if you like chaotic energy, if you like unpredictable
energy, you might want to give Loki a call.
And I was just laughing because I was like, yeah.
And if you like chaos, you can get in touch with me if you
haven't worked with me yet, since I work with a primordial
deity of chaos. But we're going to skip over

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onto the other side of the Hindupantheon.
I just learned about this today,actually.
But the Hindu deity, her name isSarah Swati and she's known as a
patron of knowledge, arts, musicand also her name actually
breaks down into Sarah meaning knowledge swa meaning highest
self. So associates with Gemini season

(01:20:45):
for me because exploring dualitykind of combining two different
names with two different meanings.
Do you have any feedback on Saraswati since you are pretty
well versed with Hindu pantheon?I would say I'm too well worth,
but I wouldn't say I'm too well worse.
It's just something that you pick up while you're living in
Southeast Asia all together. But Saraswati definitely yes,

(01:21:05):
embodying knowledge into intellect.
We're working with a lot of similar deities as let's say
with Aquarius season, anything that has to do with knowledge
and intellect as a whole, because as a very intellect and
the mind focused sign as Gemini,you want to be tapping into
these sort of people. So Saraswati as a whole, one of
her symbolisms is like a Peacockfeather or the Peacock and the

(01:21:30):
swan and feathers in general arereally good also like depicting
knowledge and what have you. And she is also associated with
music and all forms of like below, which is very, very
relevant. Patrons of the knowledge and
arts are also quite relevant right now.
But not only Saraswati, but likethere is this DDE and I wouldn't

(01:21:51):
be able to tell you from the topof my head the exact name,
right? But there is a composite deity
which is half Shiva and half Parvati.
And Parvati and Shiva together is literally like a union of
masculine and feminine, a union of logic and emotional, a
creator and a destroyer. Because 1 is like a deity of

(01:22:12):
creation and the other one is literally of chaos and
destruction. And together they create this,
this, this gender divine amalgamation of a deity.
Yeah, that's one way to spell it, Sally.
The pronunciation is like ArtanaNareshwara, like Shiva.
And I'm going to butcher it. But still, Shiva Parvati fusion.

(01:22:33):
Check it out, you guys. It's a really interesting aspect
to work with. Generally speaking, working with
any DED that is like half masculine, half women, a fusion
of the two. I mean, the Hindu pantheon is
full of like fusions of different avatars and
interpretations of the same deities.
There's a lot of two faced deities as well who have two

(01:22:54):
faces or more than one face. Khmer or Cambodian mythology
also has quite a bit of that, but Vedic in Ayurvedic and Hindu
mythology, you might want to look into any deity that has to
do with the wind as well, because air wind deities, what
have you. Any pantheon.
If you're going into say like Japan, you definitely want to

(01:23:14):
want to look into like Fujin or any other kind of like bringers
of breath, bringers of air. That is my recommendation right
there. Yeah, and also Izanagi and
Izanami in Japanese. Hell yeah, brother.
Sister gods. I'm glad that you brought up
Japanese mythology because we don't usually talk about it
about like Shinto gods. And honorable mention that I am

(01:23:38):
going to actually research more this season.
Is Thoth in the Egyptian pantheon?
And also the Sphinx represents Gemini season in the Egyptian
pantheon. Not a deity per SE, right?
But the Sphinx is a very unique mythological creature, right?
And the Sphinx is known for being intelligent and giving

(01:24:00):
riddles to people to solve or you know, they would attack you
or you know, you've seen the Sphinx being symbolized in video
games or fantasy fiction, thingslike that.
But the Sphinx is also has body of a lion but also has some
human aspects. So definitely in terms of
intellect and communication, theSphinx definitely resonates with
Gemini season. And Thoth is the God of wisdom,

(01:24:22):
writing and knowledge. And he's also depicted with the
head of an Ibis with like a human body.
So go ahead, sorry. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah. Birds and flight and feathery
stuff, what have you. Technically, if we're if we're
diving into like technically notdeities, but like any kind of
spiritual entity or what have you, then along with the Sphinx,
the Chimera is a very interesting entity to work work

(01:24:45):
with. It's like can't choose a spirit
animal, Just go with a Chimer. It's literally anything and
everything you want it to be andit could be and anything that
you know is shaped by your perception.
One that I am really curious about and I really recommend
working with is Gemini's actually very well associated
with the snake one way or another.
You even see the snake as being another sort of like Christian

(01:25:06):
symbolism even in the lovers card, right?
It's like forbidden knowledge orknowledge as a whole.
And one very interesting way to tap into that.
I mean, I mean, Loki also has anaffinity of turning into snakes,
what have you, right? So any divinity or entities that
have to do with hidden knowledge, secret knowledge,
forbidden knowledge, snakes, thenot a specifically the not a

(01:25:28):
Kanye. I love myself a not a in
especially like in both in Hinduand in like Southeast Asian
Buddhism. But the not a the Kanye, not a
specifically is like half snake,half woman.
And so this embodiment of like serpent traits, well, as like
she's like she's on land, she's on water, she's the mortal,
she's the divine and protector of like deep wisdom and secret

(01:25:51):
messages of working with Nagas is definitely a very
experimental thing to try. Also angels and demons in
general. Now, Sally, you're probably more
versed in telling us a little more about working with demons
or the underworld, but this is definitely a really good time to

(01:26:13):
be looking into angels, looking into guardian angels, looking
into archangels, Archangels especially.
That's like, wow, that is such ahuge topic.
If nothing else, then divine messages in the forms of angels
are really interesting thing to tap into this season.
Yeah, and especially since we'retalking about Christianity and I
think people kind of have that misconception that you can't

(01:26:33):
work with Archangel energy or any kind of heavenly sort of
like presence, I guess you can call it, if you're not
Christian, and that's not true. Funny thing that you bring up
nagas, because I actually do kind of work with one.
Not me personally, but one of myvery close friends has a not a
as one of her spirit guides, andshe's very funny.
She actually has something to dowith why my life is falling

(01:26:55):
apart right now, because she gotwith my guides and they decided
to orchestrate this entire we'rejust going to get you fired from
your job because you're not going to leave otherwise,
because that happened to her too.
But yeah, I actually, she's the first and only not a that I've
actually seen. This was back last year in
September when I was practicing doing chaos readings and I

(01:27:15):
immediately sensed 3 guides. She was the first one that I saw
like literally like in my third eye, like just saw her.
And I was like OK, this is how she looks, this is what she's
holding, this is what she's saying.
And she's like yeah that's her. Just like what?
Hold on, I'm forgetting one of my most favorite.
How dare I forget you're good. I mean literally loves of my

(01:27:38):
life. We got the yaksha or the yak.
That's really cool. These are a yak for people who
are able to see on a video eventually.
But the yaksha or the yak dependin Thailand, it's just yak.
These are like both. They're both guardians and like
and a devious and deceiver, sometimes guards of what is like

(01:27:59):
sacred and waters and sometimes like warriors whenever you need
it to be. And so both can be a bliss and a
curse as they're basically like Earth's earth, Earth spirits.
Like this is like high storytelling energies, what have
you. I think this is a really
interesting thing to work with the Garuda bird as well.
Also coming Southeast Asia and Hinduism is literally a bringer

(01:28:23):
of like divine messengers. She the Garuda flies between
heaven and mortals lightning fast, what have you.
So there we have it. Lots of, lots of Hindu and
Southeast Asian interpretations we're having here today.
No, I love that though because like I said, we didn't talk
about this beforehand. This is just based on things
that you have experienced and know about.
So that's what I love about our podcast episodes.

(01:28:45):
We could be going on so many different side quest journeys,
but at the end of the day, we doexplore some things that we
might have not talked about otherwise.
You mentioned angels and demons.I actually work with some
angelic spirits to, I mean, angelic entities, I guess, or
beings, divine beings in terms of when I do readings for people
and also want to my, I guess midselves is a seraphim.

(01:29:08):
And so that is very interesting.I haven't really talked to them
in a while, but that came out ofnowhere one day.
But yeah, I've been approached by a lot of demons lately
spiritually. There's a lot going on right
now. And yeah, I've had some demons
approach me to talk to me and people with religious trauma
might be like, oh God, that's not something that I want to
really know about, you know? And that's cool.

(01:29:31):
So I'm not going to really delveinto it too much and leave some
for actual lectures, right? But anyway, this Gemini season,
guys, it was supposed to be kindof like an intro.
But hopefully this kind of showsyou a little bit of the duality
of how Anna Maria and I are. We do have different interests
that are not we were related at all whatsoever.
These podcast episodes are kind of us catching up and also us

(01:29:51):
talking about different topics. It's where we know what we're
talking about. We just sound very disorganized.
Well, good thing most of our audience is very narrow,
divergent, so they probably get a kick out of listening to us
while they're at work or on their drive.
But yeah. Is there anything else that you
would like to say about Gemini season before we wrap it up?
It is going to be very unpredictable.

(01:30:13):
Just buckle up guys, that's all I'm saying.
Don't know if we're talking about the season or me at this
point, but either way, good morning, good afternoon and good
evening for whenever you are listening to our shenanigans in
our yap session. As usual per season, you can
find Anna Maria at all the places Instagram threads, TikTok
under other chaotic memorable orneuro spicy dot witch on TikTok

(01:30:36):
and on her discord and Patreon called the School of witchcraft.
And don't forget to follow our new social media accounts.
SO witchcraft at Instagram and tick tock and it's just funny
that it sounds like so witchcraft.
Witchcraft. I love that it was taken.
Right. But yeah, come and see us, join
the fun and the chaos. And until then, this was your

(01:30:58):
chaotic Scorpio Sagittarius duo,Sally and Anna, and we will see
you next time. Bye.

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