Chancellor Jackson shares his journey from college football player to bestselling author and publisher, including his unexpected detour through a Chinese prison that changed the trajectory of his life. His story demonstrates how maintaining resilience through adversity creates opportunities for growth and success.
• Born and raised in Georgia, played football through college at Stetson University
• Moved to China after college to teach English, where he was arrested for cannabis possession
• Spent 14 days in a Beijing prison before being deported back to the US
• Turned his prison experience into his first bestselling book "14 Days in Beijing"
• Has since written three additional books, including a romance saga and a self-help book
• Founded a publishing company that has helped other authors achieve bestseller status
• Found writing to be therapeutic and a way to process challenging experiences
• Believes in embracing adversity as preparation for future success
• Uses the quote "Hills are not mountains, and bad times don't last forever" as guidance
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, it's Mindset Cafe.
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(00:21):
What is up, guys?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Mindset Cafe podcast.
It's your boy, devin, and todaywe got a special guest.
We got Chancellor Jackson withus.
He is a bestselling author, heis an educator, a football coach
, and he is an inspiration to alot of entrepreneurs.
He was born and raised inGeorgia, but Chancellor's
journey has taken him in adramatic turn and dramatic twist
(00:44):
throughout, and he's traveledabroad and spent some time in
China, where some interestingstories have happened.
So we'll dive into those.
I don't want to ruin that.
We'll dive into a little bit ofthose things, but we'll dive
into some of his books and thereasons he wrote them and some
of the things that he coaches aswell, because I think his
journey alone speaks testamentsto how mindset can help you,
(01:05):
propel you and keep you movingforward on your journey to
success.
Without further ado.
Chancellor, thank you so muchfor taking the time out of your
day to hop on.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey man, Devin blessings and balance to you.
Appreciate you having me on Bigshout out to everybody that's
tuning in right now.
Hey man, Y'all are the real VPs, man, Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I, man, y'all, the real vps man, appreciate you.
So I mean, let's I always liketo dive back a little bit and,
you know, talk about your, yourupbringing right.
What led you to, what was thepath that led you to where you
are now?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
um so grew up in atlanta, georgia.
Um played football vastmajority of my life, so that was
a huge component to shaping theidentity of me and I still
identify as that to this day.
At least it's a part of myidentity.
But play football all throughhigh school got the opportunity
(01:55):
to play in college four yearsdown at Stetson University.
Once I graduated from Stetson,I landed my first job teaching
English to kids in China.
So I moved to China fresh outof college.
I was supposed to do a year,only ended up doing six months
before things were left and Iwas arrested and served 14 days
in a Beijing penitentiary.
Once I was released from jail,I was immediately deported from
(02:17):
the country, came back toAmerica.
I'm back to square one all overagain, trying to figure this
thing out, but just stayingresilient, you know.
And it led into me writing myfirst book 14 Days in Beijing.
I fell into coaching, continuedto work in education since I
already had my foot in it.
And here we are.
What six years later?
And we're still at it.
(02:37):
Four books in that I've writtenmyself.
I've also published twoadditional books.
I started my own publishingcompany in 2021.
I helped two other peoplepublish their books.
Both their books were numberone.
Um, and that we coach peoplethrough the writing publishing
process?
Um, yeah, continue to.
Just dropped a book last month,self-help book, so it's a
(02:58):
completely different life, uh,compared to my previous three.
Um, yeah, just keeping our footon the gas, running a couple
different marathons, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, that's awesome.
We're going to dive into eachof those areas.
But I mean I do want to ask,like from college, what led you
to even move to China?
I mean that's, you know, it'skind of a not random, but it's
not a usual journey path.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right.
When football came to an end,just like the last game of my
career, I was just like it was.
I wouldn't even say it wasbittersweet, I was just full of
gratitude because it's somethingthat I set out to do from the
very start, when I first startedplaying football, and I was
(03:46):
like I actually finished it.
Um, and now it's like thischapter has closed and the new
one is beginning, and it's ahell of one, because I'm like I
don't know what's next.
You know, I'm saying I don'tknow who I am, uh, what I'd like
to do.
I don't know anything, I justgotta figure it out.
Um, so from that it was justjust.
I just got to just put myselfout there, try a bunch of
(04:09):
different things and I figureout what it is that's going to
be.
You understand my nextfootballs to say so.
I started applying for jobs.
I was mainly applying forcorporate positions.
I'm landing interviews.
Some of these interviews I'mgetting flown out for, put up in
hotels, get cars rented out too.
I'm talking about the wholenine.
Um, but I kept getting told no,couldn't land a position.
(04:30):
And I did this for about eightmonths.
I graduated.
I'm back home in Georgia.
I'm like bro, what is going on?
Like I didn't do anything,quote, unquote the textbook way
and still getting short in thestick.
It's like we've been herebefore you and we was trying to
find a college to go to, youknow.
So we wasn't highly recruitedout of high school.
You know, say, our school, ourteam, wasn't even the best team,
(04:50):
nowhere near.
So it's like I've been in thatposition before, just putting
myself up there marketing myselftrying to find a college to go
to.
So it's like, it's like we'vebeen here before might just keep
.
Just keep putting throwing thereal out there.
You're gonna catch somethingeventually.
Just keep throwing the real outthere and you don't catch
something.
Just keep throwing the real outthere.
And I was like man, let'sre-approach this job searching
thing Because we've beenattacking corporate, clearly
(05:12):
corporate iPhone family.
We've had too many trials anderrors so it's like let's look
into other fields.
It's like what?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
are you good at doing ?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Good at talking to people, working with people, so
it was just think aboutdispositions that relate to that
.
And for me, switching up my jobsearch, and that's when I came
across teaching English to kidsin China.
So I was like, oh okay, thatsounds lit.
I definitely want to dosomething extravagant.
I wanted to do something thatyou know what I'm saying ain't
nobody going to.
(05:42):
I know that's going to be doingonce they graduate from college
.
So I applied, interviewed andthe folks hit me back.
It's like, hey, we want to moveforward with you as a candidate
.
So it's like, after eightmonths of applying for jobs and
being told no first job in 10years on the other side of the
world, I ain't going to get it.
But this is what we're going todo For sure, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So I mean with you, like taking that job, like do
you know how to speak chinese?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
well, it was a three month long process, from the
date I got hired to the day Iactually uh, arrived in china.
So within that three months Itook it upon myself to start
learning a little bit ofmandarin.
I didn't want to be out thereand not know nothing.
I learned just enough to getaround.
I didn't have no full in-depthconversation with anybody, like
(06:31):
no, that's not happening.
I was a mover for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Did you use one of those apps or softwares like
Duolingo or Rosetta Stone orsome of that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Mango, that's the name of it, mango.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, nice, that's awesome.
So you, you moved out to china,you know, you started this new
job and you know, then therecomes this 14 days in in prison,
right, what?
Or jail, what, what was that?
You know, what was the, whatwas the reason and what?
You know, what was thatexperience?
Like you know, because being injail, obviously that's
definitely an experience.
(07:04):
But being in jail in a foreigncountry, like that's I mean,
that's even one of my fears likegoing to mexico, right, you
know, like that's, you can't,the government can't save you
yeah, thanks, um.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So it's april 4th 2019.
It's a day off for me, um,getting ready to head to a team
building my company's hosting.
So I'm meeting colleagues thatI know and colleagues that I
don't know.
You know what I'm saying.
That work within the company aswell.
It's just a big littlenetworking event, but you're
going to do something fun.
So I'm like I'm going topregame before I go.
(07:37):
So I'm in the apartment bymyself drinking a little Chinese
wine, cooler, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get done, get dressed, makesure I got everything I need.
Before I walk out the door andI hear a knock and guess what?
I don't know if you've heardthis song.
I go up to the people, lookthrough the people and there's
the three officers from theBeijing police.
I was like, oh yeah, I'mspooked at this point.
So, scrum, put everything up,open the door.
(08:00):
They walk in.
They question me about drugs.
I'm sitting here playing foollike I don't know what they
talking about.
Then they end up drug testingme right there on the spot.
After that, once they pull thedrug test out, I say, yeah, it's
all over.
So do the drug test.
The results come back instantly.
You know what I'm saying Nowthe club's on me.
All forms of communication tosee still exists at this point
Now.
Now I don't bounce around fromprecinct to precinct.
(08:22):
So I'm eventually taken to thejail where I'm housed, and I'm
locked up 24 hours a day, sevendays a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
I have is a plastic bowl and aplastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as what my specific charges
(08:42):
are, how long I'm going to behere, nobody knows.
I'm in there and I'm in thecell with 14 other Chinese men,
none of which I can talk to.
It ain't looking too good rightabout now, but one.
I got to hold myselfaccountable Accountability.
I knew the choices I was makingand I knew the repercussions
from them.
So now that things have hit thefan and here we are I got to
take this to the chin.
However it's going to come,however they finish swinging, I
(09:05):
got to be able to prepare thebottom week.
But I remember telling myself Iknow I'm going to be good when
it's all said and done, whatever, I'm about to go through.
I'm about to go through, butwhen I get to the end, I'm still
going to be me.
So, with that being said, takenote of every minor detail,
because this is going to be agreat story to tell once you're
(09:26):
out of this predicament and,most importantly, enjoy this
high one last time, because wedon't know what we're going to
go through.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So that's crazy, I mean.
So, I guess, side question socannabis is, I guess, illegal
even in your own home.
Oh yeah, I guess illegal, buteven even in your own home?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh, yeah, yeah, what's the web?
Yeah, it's zero tolerance.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, wow, okay, um, so I mean that's, that's crazy,
though, cause getting locked upand you know, not knowing the
language, I mean there'sprobably a thought in your head
at that point You're like man, Iprobably should have spent a
little more time on on that app.
Right, you know point, you'relike man, I probably should have
(10:11):
spent a little more time on onthat app, right, you know,
you're like damn, I should havenot watched that episode and,
and you know, spent a little bitmore time learning the language
.
But you know what I mean, whatwas going through your head.
Like when you're in the cellnot being able to communicate,
because, one, obviously that'slonely, but two, when people are
yelling at you and telling youto do stuff, or you know they're
speaking mandarin and you can'tunderstand them.
Like, was that mental thought?
Train of, just like, what arethey saying?
Are they going to do something?
(10:32):
Like you know, go through goingthrough your head does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
So like the first three days, Iwas the only foreigner, only
English speaker in the cell.
So of course everybody theybrought me in throughout the
night.
They always bring in newinmates throughout the night, so
once morning come they wakeeverybody up, roll call and all
that stuff.
Of course I'm the new face inthe room.
So everybody, all theirattention is on me and of course
(11:05):
throughout the day.
And their mom was trying totheir best to communicate with
me.
But just because the languagebarrier, we just couldn't.
But they was chilled up, likethey was just like you tell they
just excited and curious tohave a person of color in the
room.
And you know what I'm saying.
They just want to talk to youbut it's like we can't.
But it was.
I was able to communicate withum, even though we couldn't
communicate verbally, like wejust communicated through body
(11:27):
gestures and miming things out.
But me and him got real close.
I ended up learning a lot aboutthis man just from that form of
communication, which was verypowerful.
So me and him got real close.
But, aside from talking to himevery now and again, it was just
sitting there.
It was just a lot of time toreflect.
You know what I'm saying.
(11:48):
We get, sometimes we get, wemake time to reflect about our
days or just about our journeysup until this point or whatever,
but it's not an allotted amountof time, like I had a full 72
hours to sit there and solelyreflect on everything you know
what.
I'm saying the entire journey upinto China and then everything
(12:10):
I was doing in China, like justand what to do once I get up out
of here you know what I'msaying just trying to brainstorm
what can I you know what I'msaying how can I bounce back
from this?
So this is like a lot of timeto reflect.
So, um, people with oneself,solitude that's really what it
was is a lot, something that weshould all experience in some
form or facet, because you'resaying, you just don't you get
(12:32):
comfortable being yourselfwithin yourself.
Um, so that's pretty much thefirst three days.
And on day four I moved to anew cell and in a new cell,
amongst other English speakers,two of them were.
One was from California, he wasa Chinese American.
The other one was Brazilian,from Brazil, and the third, dude
(12:53):
, he was Russian, from Russia,but he didn't speak English.
So I couldn't communicate withhim through the other two,
because they was fluent inMandarin and English.
So now not only can I talk tothem, I can talk to everybody in
the cell.
Now I can really communicate.
You learn about everybody here,what their backgrounds are,
different walks of life.
It's a great story.
(13:15):
It's a great story.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, that's crazy.
The one key thing, too, that Ithink that was so important is
you're in your first cell, right?
The the guy that you made theconnection with like showing you
the power of communication, notjust verbally, right?
I think that's what a lot ofpeople get hung up on is like
thinking that they need to beable to speak a certain way or
(13:38):
talk.
It's like your body languagesays more than you think, right,
like if I'm telling yousomething and I'm like, even in
my business, like I teach myteam, like you, you should be
listening with your eyes, right?
You're, you're watching them asyou're speaking and if they
turn, if they kind of cringe, ifthey, like you, got to realize
those are all things ofcommunication that they're not
(14:01):
controlling as well, right, andso your ability to connect with
someone just off of bodylanguage is like a huge
testament of your body language,is important.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Thanks, yeah, yeah, it was powerful.
It was powerful.
You'll read about him in thestory.
It's like I refer to him as myChinese brother, like he gave me
that name.
Hey, I'm your Chinese brother.
I said all right for sure Looklook, he didn't verbally say
that.
He was able to communicate thatto me.
It's crazy.
You learn a lot about him whenyou read the story no, that's
(14:30):
awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you get out.
And now what happens?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They take me straight to my apartment to pack up the
rest of my things and then frommy apartment straight to the
airport where I go to stay and Ihop on a flight back to America
.
So I was deported from thecountry immediately.
I was placed on a five-year ban, but that's pretty much the
only punishment I had.
If I didn't write this book,nobody would have known this had
(14:59):
happened to me.
It doesn't follow me anywhere,like I'd have made it popular.
So you know what I'm saying.
It's a blessing at the sametime.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No, definitely, I mean it's definitely.
It adds character andeverything to your story.
But two, it's authentic, right,and I feel that people,
especially now, only want toshow their highlight reel and
they don't want to show that inthe trenches Right, and
sometimes in the trenches arethe mishaps Right and of, you
(15:29):
know, being locked up in Beijingfor for two weeks, right Even
though you learned a lot and youdid a lot, like some people
wouldn't want to portraythemselves in a way.
But realizing that when you dodo like that was one of the
reasons that I wanted you on theshow, right, it's like those
are the things that connectpeople and let us know that you
are a real person.
That stuff doesn't just alwaysgo right with you, cause it
(15:50):
doesn't go always right with me,you know, and that's just.
That's, that's life.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Exactly.
Adversity introduces a man tohimself or a woman to herself.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, 100 to himself, or a woman to herself 100 oh 100
.
I love that.
And so now that you're back inin the us and stuff, and that's
you when you're in the in thecell, is that when you realize
you're gonna write or like, didyou get back and were you kind
of job hunting?
And then you're like you knowwhat?
I'm gonna publish a book, likewhat was your next steps?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
great question.
Um, I would hold time in thecell.
I was just like I was thinkingI'm like, okay, I'm definitely
gonna lose my job, but I'm likeI know I can still be able to do
this English teacher thing toChinese kids online, cause I
heard about people doing itbefore.
So I'm like I know I can do itonline once I get back to
(16:37):
America, so I just be able to dothat until I can find something
else.
And I'm like I need to link upwith my partner DeMarco.
I just tried to do my spirit.
I'm like I got to link up withhim for sure because I'm already
knowing we're going to sit back, we're going to chop it up,
we're going to powwow and theway his brain operates, he's
going to figure out a way tomonetize anything.
You know, I'm saying so me andhim was kicking it.
(17:00):
That's that same summer, 2019and he he was a traditionally
published author before wegraduated high school, um, in
2014.
Just a little context of him.
So he was like, hey, bro, youthink about writing a book about
the experience?
I was like that's a good idea.
I don't even know where to start.
You know what you're saying,what to do.
But that's a good idea, becauseI knew I wanted to do something
(17:20):
with the story.
I just didn't know how I wantedto go about sharing it.
So he took it even further.
He took my phone, what's mynotes?
Left me a little outline and Ijust started filling it in.
And by me filling in theoutline, I caught a flow for a
feel for how I wanted to tellthe story.
Took me about four months towrite it and then spent the next
six months getting ready forpublishing.
(17:41):
So I got locked up in China onApril 4th 2019.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
The very next year.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Calendar year April 4th 2020,.
I dropped the first version of14 Days of Beijing and was
ranked I went number one newbestseller in three different
genres.
Upon debut and while I wasstill on pre-order.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So it was just snowball effect, that's awesome.
So, and it was just no balleffect, that's awesome.
So I mean that that's a hugetestament.
I mean, and congratulations forthat, because it's not.
It's not easy to write in abook, let alone writing it in
the in, you know, a short timespan like that, because that
takes a lot of discipline toreally hone down and get your
thoughts going, especially withall the distractions in a daily,
daily, you know, experiencethat one can have, I mean.
(18:25):
So your, your first book wasthe 14 days right, and so you've
written three other books sincewhat, what did you dive in on
those ones with?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So the next two are a saga, a two books story, but
all three books, including 14days, tell one long story, so
they're a trilogy.
So you got 14 days, beijing.
the next two are romance, so Ijumped into a whole nother genre
with the next two, so we divein romance and it's the first
book is you love, you learn andreal love never dies.
(18:54):
Um, but like I said, all threebooks tell one long story.
You Love, you Learn is prettymuch the prequel.
That takes you back to my lasttwo years of college, and then
Real Love Never Dies expands onme going into my senior year,
completing that, trying to finda job.
You know what?
I'm saying Just telling thatwhole story Then Ended Up in
China, talks about a lot of whatI was doing in China prior to
(19:18):
14 Days, and then 14 Days comesinto play and then Real Love
Never Dies picks up after those14 days.
You know what I'm saying thatsummer.
So it's all telling one longstory.
It's very, very juicy for sure.
And what inspired that was justpretty much my partner, demarco
.
He was telling me from thebeginning well, 14 Days is going
(19:40):
crazy, but you got to write theromance.
I was like I ain't trying to dothat, bro, I'm not in the
headspace, I'm trying to dig upall those emotions.
I ain't trying to do it.
But it wasn't until I wastaking a course on just
publishing, just to expand myhorizon more within the field.
(20:00):
And they was talking about thebest selling genres.
I'm like, okay, I already knowwhat number one and multiple
over 15 times.
So now they said romance is thebest selling genre.
I'll take it as a challenge.
Soon, as I saw that, I said, ohbet it comes up.
I said, hey, bro, send me anoutline for the romance.
They sent it to me.
I wrote that thing about twoand a half weeks like locked in,
(20:22):
knocked that out, um, but Iain't dropped the book till like
later, later, later on, um, butyeah, those are the next two.
And then I just dropped a booklast month, self-help book.
So you see, we don't went from,we're going around the carousel
, different genres, uh, so we inthe self-help and it's titled
the Power of Becoming SevenPillars of Growth and
(20:42):
Empowerment and it's pretty mucha book full of quotes and
insight depending on seven corethemes love, discernment,
success, happiness, adversity,healing and confidence.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Man, that's awesome.
I mean, in my opinion, it'stough to write a single book,
let alone four books.
And the trilogy is even moreinteresting to me because it's
like I bet with you as you wroteyour first book.
Then you're like man, I don'twant to touch on those same
(21:15):
things and write the sameinformation, just a different
way.
So you're having to reflect andanalyze the different
situations, the emotions andeverything, especially with it
being more of a self-loveromance kind of you know style
book, you know.
So what was your writingprocess?
Like, you know, when you'rehaving to reflect on those like
personal and those traumaticevents.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm just telling the true story.
So it was like really is I'm, Imake it simple, I create an
outline.
So I'm just telling the truestory.
So it's like, really is, I makeit simple, I create an outline.
So I'm like, all right, I'mtelling a true story.
Where do I want this yo?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
yeah, I hear you now.
I think you're frozen a littlebit there.
You go there you go okay.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I don't know what happened, the thing just
completely refreshed so, um, Imean, I'll edit that part a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, right when you started to explain your process,
you just kind of cut off rightwhen you started to explain.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So yeah, I just create an outline.
So, especially when you'retelling a nonfiction story, a
true story, um, where do youwant the story to begin?
That's the first bullet point.
All right, then what happened?
What's the exact thing thathappened next to the best of
your memory?
All right, boom, write thatdown, all right.
What happened next?
Boom, just everything happenedin chronological order.
Just the bullet points of whathappened then once.
(22:58):
Once you have those bulletpoints, now you go and expand
under each one and justelaborate on what happened in
the story, and as you do that,more memories will start to
unlock as you continue to godown these rabbit holes.
And it's very therapeuticbecause it's like you know,
we've bottled up a lot of stuff,so it's like this is an
opportunity for me to trulyrelease, put this on something
(23:20):
else and put it out into theuniverse really, and just get it
out from my spirit.
So it was very, verytherapeutic at the same time All
three books because it was verytraumatic time for me.
This is a very adverse time.
I would say that very adversevery adverse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Did you have any like like emotional, I guess
emotional challenge, like youknow trying to convey into words
, or you know being thatvulnerable, you know, when
opening up in in the book?
You know because as you'restarting to reflect and really
think about all those differentthings, like I'm sure emotional
challenges started to surface.
So like what was your processlike for kind of overcoming
those or for being able to bevulnerable?
Because, like you said, guys,we don't really like to, you
(24:05):
know, show emotion yeah, I meanit's just pushing through it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know I'm saying it's like those that work out.
You know I'm saying you pushyour body through physical
limitations all the time andyou'll still give everything you
got to try to get as many repsas possible.
I take that same energy andapply it to you know, saying the
, the book, or just telling thestory, and then you want it to
be good.
You want it to be you put itall out there.
(24:31):
You know I'm saying what.
I ain't got nothing to lose, Iain't got no communication
whatsoever at this point.
So it's like it's fair game.
Um so, and I knew what theobjective was at the end of the
day, this we trying to top thecharts on the room in the
romance genre.
That's, that's the end goal,that's the main objective.
So it's like this this isromance, this is what the lady's
(24:54):
like anyway.
So man, put it all out therefor sure.
I feel like it's a safe spacehonestly, it's like put it all
out there for sure.
I feel it's a safe space,honestly, and it's like hey, to
read this story at the end ofthe day.
So you know, I'm saying likeit's just doing it, man, you
still get paid.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You get paid for it and it's something I like, that
sometimes like that, thatflipping perspective of you know
thinking like, well, what arepeople gonna think?
And then it's like, well, theypaid to listen, they paid.
It's like what are they gonnasay?
Like all.
And then it's like, well, theypaid to listen, they paid.
It's like what are they goingto say?
Like all this, this, you know,I can't believe you got
vulnerable.
Well, I can't believe you paidto listen to someone get
(25:26):
vulnerable.
It's like you flip the script,you know, it's like you just
gotta think of it that way.
But I think it's.
It also shows a strength for,for those that are willing to
reflect, because that issomething that is not easy to do
, to even not even put it outthere, that's a whole nother
level, but like just toself-reflect within self and and
(25:47):
realize that you don't, youdon't know everything.
It's okay to feel you knowinadequate in certain areas or
whatever, but reflect on it andand really dig deep and become
better.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And eventually it's like everything we go through is
a testament to who we willeventually become.
So it's like once you get toyour final version, your full
potential, you're going to shareyour experiences with.
It might be peers, it might befamily members, grandkids you
know what I'm saying.
You never know who you mightverbally just share your stories
(26:23):
with, so you're gonna do itregardless.
You're gonna do it regardless.
You're gonna tell somebody.
You ain't gonna keep it allentirely, but you will tell
somebody.
So like, hey, man, you might aswell.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
100 and I think your ability to you know be
vulnerable, right, but also bevulnerable with yourself and go
through those you know.
Resurfacing of all that stuffAlso allows you to build better
connections with people, buildup better reports, because
everyone goes through, like wetalked about in the beginning,
and you, being able to analyzeyourself, you can put yourself
(26:52):
in their shoes at any point andrelate right.
So, with that being said, whatwould your advice be to someone
facing significant eitherpersonal or professional
setbacks right now?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hills are not mountains, and bad times don't
last forever.
Take everything with a grain ofsalt, relish and be grateful
for the adversity.
Grow in pains.
All this thing is doing ismolding you and making you
(27:32):
better and preparing you forwhat's in store.
So don't be discouraged.
Don't let it discourage you.
Don't let it diminish yourspirit.
Embrace it.
Embrace it, take it head on,because once you make it to the
end, you're gonna be laughinglike a motherfucker.
(27:53):
Once you when it's all said anddone, we always do we be like
man, I don't see how I'm gonnaget through this and lo and
behold, we always make itthrough.
It's like we just look back on.
It's like it could be somethingthat was a catalyst or it could
be just just a phase that wewent through it.
Just, you know, I'm saying cameand gone and we on to the next.
You know what I'm saying.
So everything boils down toperspective how you should look
at it I know I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Now what would your football coach answer?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
be um.
It's dark clouds on us, butthat's perfect for us.
That class of all the world isone of the true little thrives.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's funny because a lot of us have this second side
to us.
I love your ability to switchand give the deeper meaning and
connect, but then it's like youcan see that side of you that's
there and that can be a littlebit harder still deliver the
same message in a different way.
That's where being, and thatcan be a little bit harder.
Still deliver the same messagein a different way, right, and,
(28:54):
and that's where being anentrepreneur, being a coach, you
know anything like that likeyou have to have those masks, so
to say, so that you can put onand change the, the tone, the
personality, the, the connection, all that kind of stuff.
So when I was saying, you know,give me the full answer like
that's, that was, that was, thatwas, that was good, um, so I
mean, with everything you gotgoing on, right, you did launch
(29:17):
a publishing company as well.
You know what?
What was the inspiration behindthat?
I mean, obviously you have your, your books, but now helping
other people launch, you knowand write, and everything like
that, why, why go that routeversus you know?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
why go that route versus you know a different
route.
Um, self-publishing is the bestroute, I feel like, when it
comes to publishing books likethe traditional way.
It's still active and it's, youknow, saying it's a route that
you can't take, but it's.
That's outdated in my opinion.
Um, it's a whole new way.
This internet has changed the.
This internet has changed thegame.
Internet has changed the gamefor everybody, so take advantage
.
So, with the success of 14 Daysin Beijing, I had a lot of
(30:01):
people reach out to me, ask mequestions geared towards writing
a book, publishing a book.
You know what I'm saying.
Constantly, people ask me if Icould help them and assist them.
You know what I'm saying.
Or just give some pointers tothem?
You know what I'm saying?
Or just give some pointers tothem to.
You know what I'm saying?
Get them through the process,and I'm like, I'm willing to
work with anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
First I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm working with everybody just off GP, off the
strip, all the game I'veacquired.
I'm just you know what I'msaying giving it away and a lot
of people wasn't able to take itbut wasn't doing nothing with
(30:39):
it.
It was only two people thatactually digested what I was
delivering.
It's all the process, all theway through.
And not only were they able topublish their books, both of
their books were number one, newbest in their own respective
genres.
The first author, mckinney, hisbook the Fatherless Child.
His book went number one indramas.
LGBTQ plus dramas and anothergenre.
He was a 37-year-old dude.
(31:00):
This story is pretty much abouthis experience growing up in
rural Mississippi back in the90s and how he was molested
before the age 10 and how thatsituation shaped him.
But you know what I'm saying.
Him but you know what I'msaying Progressed, and you know
what I'm saying Shaped him intowho he is today.
Very, very powerful story.
And then the other author,tanisha Sadler at the time she
(31:23):
wrote her book, she was 15 yearsold by the time she published
it 16,.
She went number one and twodifferent genres and she was
number one for like she had aspot for like nine straight A's.
So it was.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm like shout out to highschool.
You know what I'm saying.
Like see you in high school.
And all she did was just trustthe process, and I made it very,
(31:44):
very simple for her.
So, and she was able to do it.
So it was like let me know whatyou're talking about, you know
what you're doing.
So it was like we got tocontinue to keep our foot on the
gas.
We got something on our hands.
Not only can we coach youthrough the writing and
publishing process, we gotbestsellers here.
I can attest to it, my othertwo authors can attest to it as
(32:06):
well.
So it's like, yeah, we got tokeep going.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think that's and and to what you said too about
giving giving away information,giving away all the tools and
stuff and only two people reallytaking action on it.
Like it, it kind of goes intolike that whole idea of like you
have to have a little bit ofbuy-in to take action, otherwise
it, you know, they just take it.
It's like okay, cool one day,but there was no cost to get the
(32:30):
information, so it just doesn'tfeel like I need to do it.
But if you pay for it, thenit's like okay, well, man, I
already paid for this.
I need to make sure I get mymoney's worth, so to speak.
And I think that's one of thebig things too is that I'm the
same way.
I love to give the informationas much as possible.
But then it's like, at the sametime, are you just, you know,
(32:53):
speaking to a wall?
It's like sometimes you got tocharge so that you can make sure
that the person gets the valueout of it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Correct?
Most definitely.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
I can tell you that too, ohdefinitely so.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'd like to ask one final question, right, and this
I ask everyone.
I know I didn't tell you itahead of time, because I want
(33:25):
the first thing that pops tomind, but on your legacy wall
right the Chancellor legacy wall.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
What is the one piece of advice that you would leave
for up and coming generationsthat you've learned along your
life's journey?
It'd be a quote from NipseyHussle, and the quote is
long-winded running through thislife like it was mine, never
settling but setting every goalhigh, 1,000 burpees to the path
to my own self-destruction orsuccess.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(33:48):
You see, the best teach of lifeis your own experience, and
none of us know who we are untilwe fail, they say.
Every person defined by theirreactions in any given situation
.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well, who would you want?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
to define you someone else or yourself.
Whatever you choose to do on me, get your heart to it, stay
strong that's dope, uh, meanthat's.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
that's powerful in itself.
That is a huge, a huge legacymessage right there for for
someone to take and honestly,really, I would almost challenge
you, if you're listening around, to rewind that and listen
again, because it is morepowerful if you really take it
for every, every word that wasin that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know where can people connect with you and
learn more about what you gotgoing on with the publishing,
but also just to follow alongwith your journey.
Oh, man, the bird, the best,the best search engine.
We got google, google,chancellor k jackson, everything
you need to pop up from socialmedia accounts to website books,
other podcast interviews.
I've done the whole nine.
Everything you need.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
One stop shop I'll make sure you guys.
You know I'll put some of hissocial media links and
everything in the show notes,but make sure you guys follow
along, right?
If you're thinking aboutwriting a book, I can tell you
firsthand it is a, you know, agreat experience to go through.
You know chances, a testamentto writing four books already.
And you know, just because youdon't think you have a story,
(35:17):
don't think you don't have amessage, I guarantee you do
Right.
I guarantee your.
Your message, your journey, yourlife has, can help someone else
.
If you're willing to getvulnerable, such as chances done
already with the 14 days inBeijing, right?
Um, make sure you guys sharethis episode with a friend,
though, and, like always, makesure you guys leave that
five-star review.
It does help other peoplefollow us, but make sure you
guys share this with an episodewith a friend and help them,
(35:39):
bring them up on their journey,because if you bring someone up
on their journey, it helps bringup you as well.
So, with that being said,chancellor, thank you so much
for taking the time to hop onthe Mindset Cafe and drop some
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I appreciate you, fam .
Hey, everybody, tune in to thewhole episode.
What'd I tell you?
You were real.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
We'll talk soon.
I'm a prize.
I can't be distracted.
I stay on my grind.
No time to be slackin'.
I hustle harder.
I go against the current Cause.
I know my mind is rich to becollected.
Yeah, it's Mindset Cafe.
We all about that mindset.
Gotta stay focused.
Now go settle for the last.
It's all in your head how youthink you manifest.
So get ready to rise, cause weabout to be the best.
Gotta switch it up.
Gotta break the old habits.
Get your mind right, turn yourdreams into habits.
No negative vibes, onlypositive thoughts.
(00:21):
What is up, guys?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Mindset Cafe podcast.
It's your boy, devin, and todaywe got a special guest.
We got Chancellor Jackson withus.
He is a bestselling author, heis an educator, a football coach
, and he is an inspiration to alot of entrepreneurs.
He was born and raised inGeorgia, but Chancellor's
journey has taken him in adramatic turn and dramatic twist
(00:44):
throughout, and he's traveledabroad and spent some time in
China, where some interestingstories have happened.
So we'll dive into those.
I don't want to ruin that.
We'll dive into a little bit ofthose things, but we'll dive
into some of his books and thereasons he wrote them and some
of the things that he coaches aswell, because I think his
journey alone speaks testamentsto how mindset can help you,
(01:05):
propel you and keep you movingforward on your journey to
success.
Without further ado.
Chancellor, thank you so muchfor taking the time out of your
day to hop on.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey man, Devin blessings and balance to you.
Appreciate you having me on Bigshout out to everybody that's
tuning in right now.
Hey man, Y'all are the real VPs, man, Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
So I, man, y'all, the real vps man, appreciate you.
So I mean, let's I always liketo dive back a little bit and,
you know, talk about your, yourupbringing right.
What led you to, what was thepath that led you to where you
are now?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
um so grew up in atlanta, georgia.
Um played football vastmajority of my life, so that was
a huge component to shaping theidentity of me and I still
identify as that to this day.
At least it's a part of myidentity.
But play football all throughhigh school got the opportunity
(01:55):
to play in college four yearsdown at Stetson University.
Once I graduated from Stetson,I landed my first job teaching
English to kids in China.
So I moved to China fresh outof college.
I was supposed to do a year,only ended up doing six months
before things were left and Iwas arrested and served 14 days
in a Beijing penitentiary.
Once I was released from jail,I was immediately deported from
(02:17):
the country, came back toAmerica.
I'm back to square one all overagain, trying to figure this
thing out, but just stayingresilient, you know.
And it led into me writing myfirst book 14 Days in Beijing.
I fell into coaching, continuedto work in education since I
already had my foot in it.
And here we are.
What six years later?
And we're still at it.
(02:37):
Four books in that I've writtenmyself.
I've also published twoadditional books.
I started my own publishingcompany in 2021.
I helped two other peoplepublish their books.
Both their books were numberone.
Um, and that we coach peoplethrough the writing publishing
process?
Um, yeah, continue to.
Just dropped a book last month,self-help book, so it's a
(02:58):
completely different life, uh,compared to my previous three.
Um, yeah, just keeping our footon the gas, running a couple
different marathons, for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, that's awesome.
We're going to dive into eachof those areas.
But I mean I do want to ask,like from college, what led you
to even move to China?
I mean that's, you know, it'skind of a not random, but it's
not a usual journey path.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Right.
When football came to an end,just like the last game of my
career, I was just like it was.
I wouldn't even say it wasbittersweet, I was just full of
gratitude because it's somethingthat I set out to do from the
very start, when I first startedplaying football, and I was
(03:46):
like I actually finished it.
Um, and now it's like thischapter has closed and the new
one is beginning, and it's ahell of one, because I'm like I
don't know what's next.
You know, I'm saying I don'tknow who I am, uh, what I'd like
to do.
I don't know anything, I justgotta figure it out.
Um, so from that it was justjust.
I just got to just put myselfout there, try a bunch of
(04:09):
different things and I figureout what it is that's going to
be.
You understand my nextfootballs to say so.
I started applying for jobs.
I was mainly applying forcorporate positions.
I'm landing interviews.
Some of these interviews I'mgetting flown out for, put up in
hotels, get cars rented out too.
I'm talking about the wholenine.
Um, but I kept getting told no,couldn't land a position.
(04:30):
And I did this for about eightmonths.
I graduated.
I'm back home in Georgia.
I'm like bro, what is going on?
Like I didn't do anything,quote, unquote the textbook way
and still getting short in thestick.
It's like we've been herebefore you and we was trying to
find a college to go to, youknow.
So we wasn't highly recruitedout of high school.
You know, say, our school, ourteam, wasn't even the best team,
(04:50):
nowhere near.
So it's like I've been in thatposition before, just putting
myself up there marketing myselftrying to find a college to go
to.
So it's like, it's like we'vebeen here before might just keep
.
Just keep putting throwing thereal out there.
You're gonna catch somethingeventually.
Just keep throwing the real outthere and you don't catch
something.
Just keep throwing the real outthere.
And I was like man, let'sre-approach this job searching
thing Because we've beenattacking corporate, clearly
(05:12):
corporate iPhone family.
We've had too many trials anderrors so it's like let's look
into other fields.
It's like what?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
are you good at doing ?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Good at talking to people, working with people, so
it was just think aboutdispositions that relate to that
.
And for me, switching up my jobsearch, and that's when I came
across teaching English to kidsin China.
So I was like, oh okay, thatsounds lit.
I definitely want to dosomething extravagant.
I wanted to do something thatyou know what I'm saying ain't
nobody going to.
(05:42):
I know that's going to be doingonce they graduate from college
.
So I applied, interviewed andthe folks hit me back.
It's like, hey, we want to moveforward with you as a candidate
.
So it's like, after eightmonths of applying for jobs and
being told no first job in 10years on the other side of the
world, I ain't going to get it.
But this is what we're going todo For sure, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So I mean with you, like taking that job, like do
you know how to speak chinese?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
well, it was a three month long process, from the
date I got hired to the day Iactually uh, arrived in china.
So within that three months Itook it upon myself to start
learning a little bit ofmandarin.
I didn't want to be out thereand not know nothing.
I learned just enough to getaround.
I didn't have no full in-depthconversation with anybody, like
(06:31):
no, that's not happening.
I was a mover for sure.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Did you use one of those apps or softwares like
Duolingo or Rosetta Stone orsome of that?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Mango, that's the name of it, mango.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, nice, that's awesome.
So you, you moved out to china,you know, you started this new
job and you know, then therecomes this 14 days in in prison,
right, what?
Or jail, what, what was that?
You know, what was the, whatwas the reason and what?
You know, what was thatexperience?
Like you know, because being injail, obviously that's
definitely an experience.
(07:04):
But being in jail in a foreigncountry, like that's I mean,
that's even one of my fears likegoing to mexico, right, you
know, like that's, you can't,the government can't save you
yeah, thanks, um.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
So it's april 4th 2019.
It's a day off for me, um,getting ready to head to a team
building my company's hosting.
So I'm meeting colleagues thatI know and colleagues that I
don't know.
You know what I'm saying.
That work within the company aswell.
It's just a big littlenetworking event, but you're
going to do something fun.
So I'm like I'm going topregame before I go.
(07:37):
So I'm in the apartment bymyself drinking a little Chinese
wine, cooler, smoking a littlecannabis.
I get done, get dressed, makesure I got everything I need.
Before I walk out the door andI hear a knock and guess what?
I don't know if you've heardthis song.
I go up to the people, lookthrough the people and there's
the three officers from theBeijing police.
I was like, oh yeah, I'mspooked at this point.
So, scrum, put everything up,open the door.
(08:00):
They walk in.
They question me about drugs.
I'm sitting here playing foollike I don't know what they
talking about.
Then they end up drug testingme right there on the spot.
After that, once they pull thedrug test out, I say, yeah, it's
all over.
So do the drug test.
The results come back instantly.
You know what I'm saying Nowthe club's on me.
All forms of communication tosee still exists at this point
Now.
Now I don't bounce around fromprecinct to precinct.
(08:22):
So I'm eventually taken to thejail where I'm housed, and I'm
locked up 24 hours a day, sevendays a week.
15 men to one cell, nine woodenbeds, three soups a day and all
I have is a plastic bowl and aplastic spoon.
Nothing was explained to me asfar as what my specific charges
(08:42):
are, how long I'm going to behere, nobody knows.
I'm in there and I'm in thecell with 14 other Chinese men,
none of which I can talk to.
It ain't looking too good rightabout now, but one.
I got to hold myselfaccountable Accountability.
I knew the choices I was makingand I knew the repercussions
from them.
So now that things have hit thefan and here we are I got to
take this to the chin.
However it's going to come,however they finish swinging, I
(09:05):
got to be able to prepare thebottom week.
But I remember telling myself Iknow I'm going to be good when
it's all said and done, whatever, I'm about to go through.
I'm about to go through, butwhen I get to the end, I'm still
going to be me.
So, with that being said, takenote of every minor detail,
because this is going to be agreat story to tell once you're
(09:26):
out of this predicament and,most importantly, enjoy this
high one last time, because wedon't know what we're going to
go through.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So that's crazy, I mean.
So, I guess, side question socannabis is, I guess, illegal
even in your own home.
Oh yeah, I guess illegal, buteven even in your own home?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Oh, yeah, yeah, what's the web?
Yeah, it's zero tolerance.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh, wow, okay, um, so I mean that's, that's crazy,
though, cause getting locked upand you know, not knowing the
language, I mean there'sprobably a thought in your head
at that point You're like man, Iprobably should have spent a
little more time on on that app.
Right, you know point, you'relike man, I probably should have
(10:11):
spent a little more time on onthat app, right, you know,
you're like damn, I should havenot watched that episode and,
and you know, spent a little bitmore time learning the language
.
But you know what I mean, whatwas going through your head.
Like when you're in the cellnot being able to communicate,
because, one, obviously that'slonely, but two, when people are
yelling at you and telling youto do stuff, or you know they're
speaking mandarin and you can'tunderstand them.
Like, was that mental thought?
Train of, just like, what arethey saying?
Are they going to do something?
(10:32):
Like you know, go through goingthrough your head does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
So like the first three days, Iwas the only foreigner, only
English speaker in the cell.
So of course everybody theybrought me in throughout the
night.
They always bring in newinmates throughout the night, so
once morning come they wakeeverybody up, roll call and all
that stuff.
Of course I'm the new face inthe room.
So everybody, all theirattention is on me and of course
(11:05):
throughout the day.
And their mom was trying totheir best to communicate with
me.
But just because the languagebarrier, we just couldn't.
But they was chilled up, likethey was just like you tell they
just excited and curious tohave a person of color in the
room.
And you know what I'm saying.
They just want to talk to youbut it's like we can't.
But it was.
I was able to communicate withum, even though we couldn't
communicate verbally, like wejust communicated through body
(11:27):
gestures and miming things out.
But me and him got real close.
I ended up learning a lot aboutthis man just from that form of
communication, which was verypowerful.
So me and him got real close.
But, aside from talking to himevery now and again, it was just
sitting there.
It was just a lot of time toreflect.
You know what I'm saying.
(11:48):
We get, sometimes we get, wemake time to reflect about our
days or just about our journeysup until this point or whatever,
but it's not an allotted amountof time, like I had a full 72
hours to sit there and solelyreflect on everything you know
what.
I'm saying the entire journey upinto China and then everything
(12:10):
I was doing in China, like justand what to do once I get up out
of here you know what I'msaying just trying to brainstorm
what can I you know what I'msaying how can I bounce back
from this?
So this is like a lot of timeto reflect.
So, um, people with oneself,solitude that's really what it
was is a lot, something that weshould all experience in some
form or facet, because you'resaying, you just don't you get
(12:32):
comfortable being yourselfwithin yourself.
Um, so that's pretty much thefirst three days.
And on day four I moved to anew cell and in a new cell,
amongst other English speakers,two of them were.
One was from California, he wasa Chinese American.
The other one was Brazilian,from Brazil, and the third, dude
(12:53):
, he was Russian, from Russia,but he didn't speak English.
So I couldn't communicate withhim through the other two,
because they was fluent inMandarin and English.
So now not only can I talk tothem, I can talk to everybody in
the cell.
Now I can really communicate.
You learn about everybody here,what their backgrounds are,
different walks of life.
It's a great story.
(13:15):
It's a great story.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
No, that's crazy.
The one key thing, too, that Ithink that was so important is
you're in your first cell, right?
The the guy that you made theconnection with like showing you
the power of communication, notjust verbally, right?
I think that's what a lot ofpeople get hung up on is like
thinking that they need to beable to speak a certain way or
(13:38):
talk.
It's like your body languagesays more than you think, right,
like if I'm telling yousomething and I'm like, even in
my business, like I teach myteam, like you, you should be
listening with your eyes, right?
You're, you're watching them asyou're speaking and if they
turn, if they kind of cringe, ifthey, like you, got to realize
those are all things ofcommunication that they're not
(14:01):
controlling as well, right, andso your ability to connect with
someone just off of bodylanguage is like a huge
testament of your body language,is important.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Thanks, yeah, yeah, it was powerful.
It was powerful.
You'll read about him in thestory.
It's like I refer to him as myChinese brother, like he gave me
that name.
Hey, I'm your Chinese brother.
I said all right for sure Looklook, he didn't verbally say
that.
He was able to communicate thatto me.
It's crazy.
You learn a lot about him whenyou read the story no, that's
(14:30):
awesome.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you get out.
And now what happens?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They take me straight to my apartment to pack up the
rest of my things and then frommy apartment straight to the
airport where I go to stay and Ihop on a flight back to America
.
So I was deported from thecountry immediately.
I was placed on a five-year ban, but that's pretty much the
only punishment I had.
If I didn't write this book,nobody would have known this had
(14:59):
happened to me.
It doesn't follow me anywhere,like I'd have made it popular.
So you know what I'm saying.
It's a blessing at the sametime.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
No, definitely, I mean it's definitely.
It adds character andeverything to your story.
But two, it's authentic, right,and I feel that people,
especially now, only want toshow their highlight reel and
they don't want to show that inthe trenches Right, and
sometimes in the trenches arethe mishaps Right and of, you
(15:29):
know, being locked up in Beijingfor for two weeks, right Even
though you learned a lot and youdid a lot, like some people
wouldn't want to portraythemselves in a way.
But realizing that when you dodo like that was one of the
reasons that I wanted you on theshow, right, it's like those
are the things that connectpeople and let us know that you
are a real person.
That stuff doesn't just alwaysgo right with you, cause it
(15:50):
doesn't go always right with me,you know, and that's just.
That's, that's life.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Exactly.
Adversity introduces a man tohimself or a woman to herself.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, 100 to himself, or a woman to herself 100 oh 100
.
I love that.
And so now that you're back inin the us and stuff, and that's
you when you're in the in thecell, is that when you realize
you're gonna write or like, didyou get back and were you kind
of job hunting?
And then you're like you knowwhat?
I'm gonna publish a book, likewhat was your next steps?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
great question.
Um, I would hold time in thecell.
I was just like I was thinkingI'm like, okay, I'm definitely
gonna lose my job, but I'm likeI know I can still be able to do
this English teacher thing toChinese kids online, cause I
heard about people doing itbefore.
So I'm like I know I can do itonline once I get back to
(16:37):
America, so I just be able to dothat until I can find something
else.
And I'm like I need to link upwith my partner DeMarco.
I just tried to do my spirit.
I'm like I got to link up withhim for sure because I'm already
knowing we're going to sit back, we're going to chop it up,
we're going to powwow and theway his brain operates, he's
going to figure out a way tomonetize anything.
You know, I'm saying so me andhim was kicking it.
(17:00):
That's that same summer, 2019and he he was a traditionally
published author before wegraduated high school, um, in
2014.
Just a little context of him.
So he was like, hey, bro, youthink about writing a book about
the experience?
I was like that's a good idea.
I don't even know where to start.
You know what you're saying,what to do.
But that's a good idea, becauseI knew I wanted to do something
(17:20):
with the story.
I just didn't know how I wantedto go about sharing it.
So he took it even further.
He took my phone, what's mynotes?
Left me a little outline and Ijust started filling it in.
And by me filling in theoutline, I caught a flow for a
feel for how I wanted to tellthe story.
Took me about four months towrite it and then spent the next
six months getting ready forpublishing.
(17:41):
So I got locked up in China onApril 4th 2019.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
The very next year.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Calendar year April 4th 2020,.
I dropped the first version of14 Days of Beijing and was
ranked I went number one newbestseller in three different
genres.
Upon debut and while I wasstill on pre-order.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So it was just snowball effect, that's awesome.
So, and it was just no balleffect, that's awesome.
So I mean that that's a hugetestament.
I mean, and congratulations forthat, because it's not.
It's not easy to write in abook, let alone writing it in
the in, you know, a short timespan like that, because that
takes a lot of discipline toreally hone down and get your
thoughts going, especially withall the distractions in a daily,
daily, you know, experiencethat one can have, I mean.
(18:25):
So your, your first book wasthe 14 days right, and so you've
written three other books sincewhat, what did you dive in on
those ones with?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So the next two are a saga, a two books story, but
all three books, including 14days, tell one long story, so
they're a trilogy.
So you got 14 days, beijing.
the next two are romance, so Ijumped into a whole nother genre
with the next two, so we divein romance and it's the first
book is you love, you learn andreal love never dies.
(18:54):
Um, but like I said, all threebooks tell one long story.
You Love, you Learn is prettymuch the prequel.
That takes you back to my lasttwo years of college, and then
Real Love Never Dies expands onme going into my senior year,
completing that, trying to finda job.
You know what?
I'm saying Just telling thatwhole story Then Ended Up in
China, talks about a lot of whatI was doing in China prior to
(19:18):
14 Days, and then 14 Days comesinto play and then Real Love
Never Dies picks up after those14 days.
You know what I'm saying thatsummer.
So it's all telling one longstory.
It's very, very juicy for sure.
And what inspired that was justpretty much my partner, demarco
.
He was telling me from thebeginning well, 14 Days is going
(19:40):
crazy, but you got to write theromance.
I was like I ain't trying to dothat, bro, I'm not in the
headspace, I'm trying to dig upall those emotions.
I ain't trying to do it.
But it wasn't until I wastaking a course on just
publishing, just to expand myhorizon more within the field.
(20:00):
And they was talking about thebest selling genres.
I'm like, okay, I already knowwhat number one and multiple
over 15 times.
So now they said romance is thebest selling genre.
I'll take it as a challenge.
Soon, as I saw that, I said, ohbet it comes up.
I said, hey, bro, send me anoutline for the romance.
They sent it to me.
I wrote that thing about twoand a half weeks like locked in,
(20:22):
knocked that out, um, but Iain't dropped the book till like
later, later, later on, um, butyeah, those are the next two.
And then I just dropped a booklast month, self-help book.
So you see, we don't went from,we're going around the carousel
, different genres, uh, so we inthe self-help and it's titled
the Power of Becoming SevenPillars of Growth and
(20:42):
Empowerment and it's pretty mucha book full of quotes and
insight depending on seven corethemes love, discernment,
success, happiness, adversity,healing and confidence.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Man, that's awesome.
I mean, in my opinion, it'stough to write a single book,
let alone four books.
And the trilogy is even moreinteresting to me because it's
like I bet with you as you wroteyour first book.
Then you're like man, I don'twant to touch on those same
(21:15):
things and write the sameinformation, just a different
way.
So you're having to reflect andanalyze the different
situations, the emotions andeverything, especially with it
being more of a self-loveromance kind of you know style
book, you know.
So what was your writingprocess?
Like, you know, when you'rehaving to reflect on those like
personal and those traumaticevents.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm just telling the true story.
So it was like really is I'm, Imake it simple, I create an
outline.
So I'm just telling the truestory.
So it's like, really is, I makeit simple, I create an outline.
So I'm like, all right, I'mtelling a true story.
Where do I want this yo?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
yeah, I hear you now.
I think you're frozen a littlebit there.
You go there you go okay.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I don't know what happened, the thing just
completely refreshed so, um, Imean, I'll edit that part a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So, right when you started to explain your process,
you just kind of cut off rightwhen you started to explain.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So yeah, I just create an outline.
So, especially when you'retelling a nonfiction story, a
true story, um, where do youwant the story to begin?
That's the first bullet point.
All right, then what happened?
What's the exact thing thathappened next to the best of
your memory?
All right, boom, write thatdown, all right.
What happened next?
Boom, just everything happenedin chronological order.
Just the bullet points of whathappened then once.
(22:58):
Once you have those bulletpoints, now you go and expand
under each one and justelaborate on what happened in
the story, and as you do that,more memories will start to
unlock as you continue to godown these rabbit holes.
And it's very therapeuticbecause it's like you know,
we've bottled up a lot of stuff,so it's like this is an
opportunity for me to trulyrelease, put this on something
(23:20):
else and put it out into theuniverse really, and just get it
out from my spirit.
So it was very, verytherapeutic at the same time All
three books because it was verytraumatic time for me.
This is a very adverse time.
I would say that very adversevery adverse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Did you have any like like emotional, I guess
emotional challenge, like youknow trying to convey into words
, or you know being thatvulnerable, you know, when
opening up in in the book?
You know because as you'restarting to reflect and really
think about all those differentthings, like I'm sure emotional
challenges started to surface.
So like what was your processlike for kind of overcoming
those or for being able to bevulnerable?
Because, like you said, guys,we don't really like to, you
(24:05):
know, show emotion yeah, I meanit's just pushing through it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know I'm saying it's like those that work out.
You know I'm saying you pushyour body through physical
limitations all the time andyou'll still give everything you
got to try to get as many repsas possible.
I take that same energy andapply it to you know, saying the
, the book, or just telling thestory, and then you want it to
be good.
You want it to be you put itall out there.
(24:31):
You know I'm saying what.
I ain't got nothing to lose, Iain't got no communication
whatsoever at this point.
So it's like it's fair game.
Um so, and I knew what theobjective was at the end of the
day, this we trying to top thecharts on the room in the
romance genre.
That's, that's the end goal,that's the main objective.
So it's like this this isromance, this is what the lady's
(24:54):
like anyway.
So man, put it all out therefor sure.
I feel like it's a safe spacehonestly, it's like put it all
out there for sure.
I feel it's a safe space,honestly, and it's like hey, to
read this story at the end ofthe day.
So you know, I'm saying likeit's just doing it, man, you
still get paid.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
You get paid for it and it's something I like, that
sometimes like that, thatflipping perspective of you know
thinking like, well, what arepeople gonna think?
And then it's like, well, theypaid to listen, they paid.
It's like what are they gonnasay?
Like all.
And then it's like, well, theypaid to listen, they paid.
It's like what are they goingto say?
Like all this, this, you know,I can't believe you got
vulnerable.
Well, I can't believe you paidto listen to someone get
(25:26):
vulnerable.
It's like you flip the script,you know, it's like you just
gotta think of it that way.
But I think it's.
It also shows a strength for,for those that are willing to
reflect, because that issomething that is not easy to do
, to even not even put it outthere, that's a whole nother
level, but like just toself-reflect within self and and
(25:47):
realize that you don't, youdon't know everything.
It's okay to feel you knowinadequate in certain areas or
whatever, but reflect on it andand really dig deep and become
better.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And eventually it's like everything we go through is
a testament to who we willeventually become.
So it's like once you get toyour final version, your full
potential, you're going to shareyour experiences with.
It might be peers, it might befamily members, grandkids you
know what I'm saying.
You never know who you mightverbally just share your stories
(26:23):
with, so you're gonna do itregardless.
You're gonna do it regardless.
You're gonna tell somebody.
You ain't gonna keep it allentirely, but you will tell
somebody.
So like, hey, man, you might aswell.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
100 and I think your ability to you know be
vulnerable, right, but also bevulnerable with yourself and go
through those you know.
Resurfacing of all that stuffAlso allows you to build better
connections with people, buildup better reports, because
everyone goes through, like wetalked about in the beginning,
and you, being able to analyzeyourself, you can put yourself
(26:52):
in their shoes at any point andrelate right.
So, with that being said, whatwould your advice be to someone
facing significant eitherpersonal or professional
setbacks right now?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hills are not mountains, and bad times don't
last forever.
Take everything with a grain ofsalt, relish and be grateful
for the adversity.
Grow in pains.
All this thing is doing ismolding you and making you
(27:32):
better and preparing you forwhat's in store.
So don't be discouraged.
Don't let it discourage you.
Don't let it diminish yourspirit.
Embrace it.
Embrace it, take it head on,because once you make it to the
end, you're gonna be laughinglike a motherfucker.
(27:53):
Once you when it's all said anddone, we always do we be like
man, I don't see how I'm gonnaget through this and lo and
behold, we always make itthrough.
It's like we just look back on.
It's like it could be somethingthat was a catalyst or it could
be just just a phase that wewent through it.
Just, you know, I'm saying cameand gone and we on to the next.
You know what I'm saying.
So everything boils down toperspective how you should look
at it I know I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Now what would your football coach answer?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
be um.
It's dark clouds on us, butthat's perfect for us.
That class of all the world isone of the true little thrives.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's funny because a lot of us have this second side
to us.
I love your ability to switchand give the deeper meaning and
connect, but then it's like youcan see that side of you that's
there and that can be a littlebit harder still deliver the
same message in a different way.
That's where being, and thatcan be a little bit harder.
Still deliver the same messagein a different way, right, and,
(28:54):
and that's where being anentrepreneur, being a coach, you
know anything like that likeyou have to have those masks, so
to say, so that you can put onand change the, the tone, the
personality, the, the connection, all that kind of stuff.
So when I was saying, you know,give me the full answer like
that's, that was, that was, thatwas, that was good, um, so I
mean, with everything you gotgoing on, right, you did launch
(29:17):
a publishing company as well.
You know what?
What was the inspiration behindthat?
I mean, obviously you have your, your books, but now helping
other people launch, you knowand write, and everything like
that, why, why go that routeversus you know?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
why go that route versus you know a different
route.
Um, self-publishing is the bestroute, I feel like, when it
comes to publishing books likethe traditional way.
It's still active and it's, youknow, saying it's a route that
you can't take, but it's.
That's outdated in my opinion.
Um, it's a whole new way.
This internet has changed the.
This internet has changed thegame.
Internet has changed the gamefor everybody, so take advantage
.
So, with the success of 14 Daysin Beijing, I had a lot of
(30:01):
people reach out to me, ask mequestions geared towards writing
a book, publishing a book.
You know what I'm saying.
Constantly, people ask me if Icould help them and assist them.
You know what I'm saying.
Or just give some pointers tothem?
You know what I'm saying?
Or just give some pointers tothem to.
You know what I'm saying?
Get them through the process,and I'm like, I'm willing to
work with anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
First I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm working with everybody just off GP, off the
strip, all the game I'veacquired.
I'm just you know what I'msaying giving it away and a lot
of people wasn't able to take itbut wasn't doing nothing with
(30:39):
it.
It was only two people thatactually digested what I was
delivering.
It's all the process, all theway through.
And not only were they able topublish their books, both of
their books were number one, newbest in their own respective
genres.
The first author, mckinney, hisbook the Fatherless Child.
His book went number one indramas.
LGBTQ plus dramas and anothergenre.
He was a 37-year-old dude.
(31:00):
This story is pretty much abouthis experience growing up in
rural Mississippi back in the90s and how he was molested
before the age 10 and how thatsituation shaped him.
But you know what I'm saying.
Him but you know what I'msaying Progressed, and you know
what I'm saying Shaped him intowho he is today.
Very, very powerful story.
And then the other author,tanisha Sadler at the time she
(31:23):
wrote her book, she was 15 yearsold by the time she published
it 16,.
She went number one and twodifferent genres and she was
number one for like she had aspot for like nine straight A's.
So it was.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm like shout out to highschool.
You know what I'm saying.
Like see you in high school.
And all she did was just trustthe process, and I made it very,
(31:44):
very simple for her.
So, and she was able to do it.
So it was like let me know whatyou're talking about, you know
what you're doing.
So it was like we got tocontinue to keep our foot on the
gas.
We got something on our hands.
Not only can we coach youthrough the writing and
publishing process, we gotbestsellers here.
I can attest to it, my othertwo authors can attest to it as
(32:06):
well.
So it's like, yeah, we got tokeep going.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I think that's and and to what you said too about
giving giving away information,giving away all the tools and
stuff and only two people reallytaking action on it.
Like it, it kind of goes intolike that whole idea of like you
have to have a little bit ofbuy-in to take action, otherwise
it, you know, they just take it.
It's like okay, cool one day,but there was no cost to get the
(32:30):
information, so it just doesn'tfeel like I need to do it.
But if you pay for it, thenit's like okay, well, man, I
already paid for this.
I need to make sure I get mymoney's worth, so to speak.
And I think that's one of thebig things too is that I'm the
same way.
I love to give the informationas much as possible.
But then it's like, at the sametime, are you just, you know,
(32:53):
speaking to a wall?
It's like sometimes you got tocharge so that you can make sure
that the person gets the valueout of it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Correct?
Most definitely.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
I can tell you that too, ohdefinitely so.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'd like to ask one final question, right, and this
I ask everyone.
I know I didn't tell you itahead of time, because I want
(33:25):
the first thing that pops tomind, but on your legacy wall
right the Chancellor legacy wall.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
What is the one piece of advice that you would leave
for up and coming generationsthat you've learned along your
life's journey?
It'd be a quote from NipseyHussle, and the quote is
long-winded running through thislife like it was mine, never
settling but setting every goalhigh, 1,000 burpees to the path
to my own self-destruction orsuccess.
But what is a mistake withoutthe lesson?
(33:48):
You see, the best teach of lifeis your own experience, and
none of us know who we are untilwe fail, they say.
Every person defined by theirreactions in any given situation
.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well, who would you want?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
to define you someone else or yourself.
Whatever you choose to do on me, get your heart to it, stay
strong that's dope, uh, meanthat's.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
that's powerful in itself.
That is a huge, a huge legacymessage right there for for
someone to take and honestly,really, I would almost challenge
you, if you're listening around, to rewind that and listen
again, because it is morepowerful if you really take it
for every, every word that wasin that.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
You know where can people connect with you and
learn more about what you gotgoing on with the publishing,
but also just to follow alongwith your journey.
Oh, man, the bird, the best,the best search engine.
We got google, google,chancellor k jackson, everything
you need to pop up from socialmedia accounts to website books,
other podcast interviews.
I've done the whole nine.
Everything you need.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
One stop shop I'll make sure you guys.
You know I'll put some of hissocial media links and
everything in the show notes,but make sure you guys follow
along, right?
If you're thinking aboutwriting a book, I can tell you
firsthand it is a, you know, agreat experience to go through.
You know chances, a testamentto writing four books already.
And you know, just because youdon't think you have a story,
(35:17):
don't think you don't have amessage, I guarantee you do
Right.
I guarantee your.
Your message, your journey, yourlife has, can help someone else
.
If you're willing to getvulnerable, such as chances done
already with the 14 days inBeijing, right?
Um, make sure you guys sharethis episode with a friend,
though, and, like always, makesure you guys leave that
five-star review.
It does help other peoplefollow us, but make sure you
guys share this with an episodewith a friend and help them,
(35:39):
bring them up on their journey,because if you bring someone up
on their journey, it helps bringup you as well.
So, with that being said,chancellor, thank you so much
for taking the time to hop onthe Mindset Cafe and drop some
knowledge.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I appreciate you, fam .
Hey, everybody, tune in to thewhole episode.
What'd I tell you?
You were real.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
We'll talk soon.
I'm a prize.
I can't be distracted.
I stay on my grind.
No time to be slackin'.
I hustle harder.
I go against the current Cause.
I know my mind is rich to becollected.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.