August 20, 2025 • 42 mins
Michael Rearden shares his journey from growing up in the ghetto of Connecticut to founding Revan Concepts, a mindset and personal growth company revolutionizing the coaching industry through innovative approaches. He reveals how limiting beliefs form in childhood and strategies to break free from them to achieve greater success and fulfillment.
• Growing up in poverty created a powerful drive for change and early action
• Michael's mother worked multiple jobs to provide opportunities including private school education
• Transitioned from teaching to coaching after realizing he wanted to make a broader impact
• Founded Revan Concepts in 2018 to fill educational gaps where traditional schooling falls short
• NASA study shows 94% of kindergarteners test at genius levels, dropping dramatically by third grade
• Breaking free from downward spirals requires attention and often external support from mentors
• Sometimes changing your environment completely is necessary for growth
• The "burn the bridges" approach works best for those who thrive under pressure
• Overcoming limiting beliefs starts with believing something is possible before achieving it
• Legacy message: "Never is just an option" - we always have the choice to progress or remain stagnant
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, it's Mindset Cafe.
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Turn your dreams into habits.
No negative vibes, onlypositive thoughts.
(00:20):
What is up, guys?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Mindset Cafe podcast.
It's your boy, devin, and todaywe are honored to have a
special guest, michael Reardon.
He is the founder and CEO ofRaven Concepts, a mindset and
personal growth company that isrevolutionizing the coaching
industry through its innovativesubscription-based model.
(00:41):
We'll dive into that.
I'll let him explain some ofthat stuff, but because it
always is nice to hear it fromthe person themselves versus
just what I can see from theoutside.
But I think he's doing someamazing things and I think him
being on the Mindset Cafe isgoing to give you guys some
awesome knowledge.
So make sure you guys break outyour notepads and take some
notes, but without that furtherado, michael, thank you so much
for taking the time to hop onthe Mindset Cafe, of course, and
(01:03):
thank you so much for having meon today.
So I mean, I want to dive intoyour backstory before we get
into your current story, right?
How did you?
What was your bring up like,what was your childhood like?
And you know, kind of bird'seye view that led you to where
you are now.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, I grew up in the ghetto of Connecticut and
Connecticut has a drastic wealthgap.
You can go to Greenwich whereyou have some of the wealth like
the wealthiest people in theworld they're probably excluding
Dubai and then you have, youknow, cities like Bridgeport,
stratford is going to be lowerincome families.
So we grew up there in theghetto.
(01:39):
But I do appreciate that uh,upbringing because it really
gave me a drive to want tochange.
Right, I could see the bad andI know some people who they grow
up with, things where they.
You know, maybe the silverspoon in their mouth or that
concept of a privilege, um, youknow, it's a wonderful thing to
(02:00):
have, but I think when youreally have no choice but to
take action, it allows you totake action a lot sooner.
So that was my upbringing andyou know we had a hardworking
mom, my brother and my sister,and you know she did her best to
kind of shelter us from thatghetto, right?
So, even though we were in themiddle of all the drugs and the
(02:21):
violence, and she sent us toprivate schools, but she had to
work two to three jobs just toget that done and sometimes, you
know, payments were late,things like that because she had
to keep up with everything.
So we fast forward now.
You know high school.
Around that time I was going toa college prep school and it's
like, okay, well, what am Igoing to do?
(02:42):
Right, I mean, I have to makesome money.
So I went into accounting,business, finance, because I
thought, well, my mom is notgoing to appreciate anything
else but a job that's going tobe making a little bit of money,
or a job that has a little bitof status.
And I can't tell you how manypeople they fall in line with
what their parents' ideals are.
And so college was my mom'sideal.
(03:05):
If I had to do it again,college is a great thing, but I
probably would have just wentthe entrepreneur route, because
I would have did exactly whatI'm doing today without all of
the college student loans that Ihad to pay off.
But it's different for everyone, right?
College can be a great thing.
If you want to be a lawyer or adoctor or something like that,
you need that.
(03:25):
I went to college because Iswitched my major from business
and accounting to teaching.
So I became a teacher and I wasteaching for quite some time.
I was teaching music andspecial ed, and when I was at
the end or the transition pointfrom my teaching career to my
coaching career, somethinghappened.
I started to pay attention tothe people around me.
(03:46):
I saw teachers that have beenin the career 25 to 50 years and
I saw what they had, and itwasn't that what they had wasn't
good enough, it's just that Iwanted more.
And there's this quote that I amfavorable to and I know this is
not going to be everyone's cupof tea, but it's crumbs are not
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for everyone and even thoughteachers make a huge impact on a
child's life, I wanted to dosomething that was going to
create a bigger impact in theworld, not just in a classroom
of 30 kids or a single town thatI will be working in.
I wanted to be internationaland so fast forward to the
coaching.
2018 started Revan Concepts andthe idea was to fill in the
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gaps where schools were fallingshort, because, as a teacher,
you get to see the students thatare coming and going and you
can see when they're going, arethey ready or if they're not
ready, and I saw so manystudents who are not ready for
the real world, and those samestudents, eventually, are going
to be getting a consultation andmaybe even signing up for
coaching, you know, with me,because there's something within
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them, a lack, a limit, you know, a curiosity that they're
hungry to learn more about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean it is true, and I mean I love the quote and
I do resonate with the quote andit makes sense.
And you know, unfortunately, asit is not everyone's going to
resonate with it, but I think itis an important quote.
You know to, to note and knowthat just because someone's
happy with the lifestyle doesn'tmean you have to be happy with
that lifestyle, right?
And I think that it's awesomethat you realize that your
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upbringing gave you strengths.
Right, cause a lot of peoplehave a certain kind of
upbringing or in a or in acertain environment and think
this is what I have to, this iswhat I am, right, and this is
what is made for me.
And the world is your play box,you know your sandbox, as long
as you're willing to get alittle dirty.
And you know, start buildingthat castle, right?
(05:49):
So what started getting youinto the mindset, the personal
development, the?
You know all those things.
Why didn't you go intosomething of a different?
You know industry.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, one of the things I started to see was the
limits that I had mentionedprior.
When you have a person that hasbeen given the limits whether
they be you're not good enough,right, you're going to be a
garbage man or something likethat.
And I know teachers mean well.
I would say I've worked withsome amazing teachers throughout
my career as a teacher and justyou know, in general and life,
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knowing them, most of them havegood hearts, but then some days
they get tired because they'rehuman.
They have their own familyissues.
Maybe they just got a puppy andthey're not getting any sleep.
There's a lot of problems goingon in their life too, and some
of the conversations that wouldhappen in the teacher's room
would be something like this oh,you know, this person's giving
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me such a hard time.
I wish they would just quit.
You know they're just going tobe a failure and it's not that
they really truly envisionedthat for that student, it's just
that they're just frustrated atthe time.
But if you know anything aboutthe human mind, or you know just
any bit of psychology, thesubconscious mind is going to
believe everything the consciousmind, or just from words, are
going to say, and it's going tohave a severe or maybe even a
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dramatic impact on yourprogression in life.
So just having this teacherhave this aura of energy, maybe
they don't even say it to thestudent.
The student can tell it's likeoh, you know, like I guess I'm
not going to be anything, orsomething like that.
To tell is like oh, you know,like I guess I'm not going to be
anything, or something likethat.
And I'm sure you're familiarwith the study of NASA when
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they're trying to figure out youknow who are geniuses and when
you know and how do geniusesform.
And they developed this test andthey followed these students,
you know, all the way from, youknow, kindergarten up into like
fifth grade or something likethat.
And what they noticed aroundthird grade the marker for
genius dropped off severely whenthey were doing the test, when
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they were kindergarteners.
So there was 94% genius andthen by third grade it was a
fraction of that.
So we have to ask ourselveswhat's happening in those two to
three years of a child'sdevelopment.
And what it is is that theyhave been given limits.
They have been told to sit down, raise your hand If you have to
go to the bathroom, you know,wait in line or something along
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those lines and then you know,maybe down the road you get a
little bit more freedom incollege, but even that you know
you have so many years ofbondage that is hard to break
free.
So this is why so many peoplethey lie in comfort, they stay
in their comfort zones, and soone of the things I was
interested in is helping peoplenot only understand their
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comfort zones but to break freefrom them, because when they
think about the good life, it'sbeyond the comfort zone, it's
not within it.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Oh, no, definitely.
And it's crazy that youmentioned that with like the,
you know, up until that thirdgrade like, because even my
daughter I have a three year oldand the amount that she picks
up it's, it's insane, right, Iwas just at my assistant last
graduation from UC Davis and upon the teleprompt screen thing
(09:00):
there was, you know, you couldsee everyone getting their
awards and so forth, and in thelittle corner there was a person
doing the ASL, the signlanguage, and my daughter didn't
ask about it, she didn't sayanything about it.
And then all of a sudden mysister-in-law was opening her
graduation gifts and she waslike reading the cards and my
three-year-old just standingnext to her and just doing sign
movements and getting madbecause we're all laughing,
because we realized what she wasdoing and she was like be quiet
(09:23):
.
And then she kept doing justdifferent movements of their
hands in acting as theinterpreter but she didn't say
anything, it didn't acknowledgeit and ask what it was and it
was crazy that you know she hadpicked that up and like knew
what it was.
So it is crazy that that dropoff when you're kind of told to
get in line and follow suit.
You know it can.
(09:43):
It can do a lot to a person, oreven a lot to a kid, and you
know kind of detriment their,their growth of genius.
Some of the things that youtalk about, right, is, you know,
the downward spiral.
The downward spiral, right?
How can people start toidentify if they're in one?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, one of the things you have to understand is
you have to have a group ofpeople who want to see you
better than what you are, andparents typically do a good job,
but then parents are also thefactors that can make it very
difficult.
We can look at 2019, 2020 withthe pandemic, and parents would
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previously think T-shirts werejust glorified babysitters.
Parents would previously thinkT-shirts were just glorified
babysitters.
And then all of a sudden nowparents were kind of the
forefront in their child'seducation and they have to deal
with them for the whole schoolday and they're seeing how their
children are acting.
They're like whoa, this istough, right, I know early on,
you know you said you have athree-year-old.
I have a three-year-old alsoand I have a newborn.
(10:44):
She's five months at the timeof this recording and when I
look at favoritism, I say Ienjoy him more.
Not because I enjoy him more,it's just because he's more
self-sufficient by himself.
He can get his iPad, he can gethis snacks, he knows the deal
right, she doesn't know the dealyet and what happens is many
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people, they just don't know thedeal yet and they have to be
reminded, and one of the bestthings you can do is to get a
mentor, to get a guide, to get ateacher that cares, a coach.
Right, someone who's going tosay, hey, I can see the
potential within you.
Because sometimes what happensis we might be lacking a little
bit of confidence, we might notbe as optimistic today, and, you
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know, pessimism is justreigning supreme.
Our mind is naturally negative.
So what's happening is manypeople, they are just going to
spiral out before they say, okay, what's the better option?
You know what is the fix?
And there's.
You know people wait untiltrauma or something bad happens
in their life before they getcoaching.
Rightfully, so right, coachingcan be expensive, but I always
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tell people, you know, when theyget a consultation or they're,
you know, signing up forcoaching, and you know, one of
the questions I say is well,where were you three months ago?
Right, because three months agois when we should have been
doing the work, not today wheneverything is on fire, when
you're in credit card debt, whenyou, you know you got your
divorce paper served.
There's a lot of problems thatwe just have to pay attention to
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.
So one of the things that youcan do or are like like right
now, even if you don't get acoach is to pay attention.
How do you pay attention?
There's different methods.
You have to figure out whatworks for you.
Meditation can, can can be agreat asset for you.
Working out, right, you are inthat meditative state, right?
I know you do a lot of gymstuff.
So when people are in thatstate, they're not thinking
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about maybe, their bills or allthis stuff.
Maybe they want to talk to youabout that stuff.
But if you're giving them a nicestrong workout, they're
thinking about survival, right,like if they're doing, you know,
crossfit or something like that, they're not thinking about
where they're going to eat after.
They're just thinking about howam I going to make this?
You know, like, get throughthis.
And this is where the focus hasto be, like, what can we do
today?
And so we have to look at thesmallest step possible and we
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have to assure that we're goingto do that step, not, oh, I
might do it, I'll get to itlater.
This mindset can't be thereanymore.
You have to just say if I wantsome change to happen in my life
because I'm not satisfied withhow I'm currently living, you
have to be that change.
You have to give yourselfpeople or individuals that are
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going to help nurture that too.
So again, teachers, coaches,parents and stuff like that are
going to help nurture it.
Coaches, parents and stuff likethat are going to help nurture
it.
And if you are around toxicpeople or negative people,
people you just get bad energyfrom, leave them right.
You don't have to bringeveryone with you.
I know we live in this peoplepleasing world but at the end of
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the day, if you're not happy,does it really matter if someone
else is happy at your expense?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh no, definitely I mean, and it's hard sometimes,
like that self-reflection, ishard to be truthful with
yourself, right, and realizingthat you're in that downward
spiral.
But it is important and thefirst step is acknowledging it.
Is it your circle, like yousaid?
You know, because you should bearound people that are lifting
you up and trying to push you.
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You know whether it is a coach,whether it is, you know, a
trainer, whether it is just yourfriends.
If they're not trying to forceyou to be better, then maybe
you're in the wrong circle,right?
Very true.
So I mean going into that.
How do you, how do you letsomeone know that they're in the
wrong circle, right?
That's a tough conversation andyou know to have sometimes, but
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it is necessary sometimes.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, I mean, you could be straight up with them
and say hey, you don't belonghere, right, you can kick them
out, kind of like the Italianmafia.
You could say, all right,you're done, buddy.
Or you can just do what manypeople do today in our world.
They do a lot of ghosting,right?
They just say I'm just going tominimize my interactions with
you and eventually you're goingto understand that I don't want
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to be around you.
That naturally occurs, and Ithink that's probably what most
people are going to do.
Is there a better option?
I don't necessarily thinkthere's a wrong or right way to
do, you know, getting rid ofpeople who don't serve you or
don't belong in your life.
But you just have to be veryclear on your expectations, and
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I think that's important.
Your expectations should beparamount, not only for yourself
but for others.
I have expectations for my kids, I have expectations for my
wife, and I give myselfexpectations too, and she has
expectations for the kids andmyself, and they're different,
right?
Because I understand that ifI'm doing something incorrectly,
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that's causing some type ofhardship or discrepancy in our
relationship, and therelationship doesn't have to
just be my family, it could befriends also.
I have to do the work to eitherfix myself, because I can't
change anybody.
So if I want to fix myself, tobe in this relationship because
I believe it's beneficial to me,then I'll do the work, but if
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I'm not seeing the benefit to it, then I'm.
You know, I might try to keepit for a little bit, but at some
point you're going to stop.
You know, you're just going tostop caring and you can look at
any aspect of your life whereyou have started something and
you stopped this just becauseyou just didn't care enough.
One of the things that manypeople do, especially when they
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start a business or they start acareer they're looking for,
like a job switch.
It's easy to look on Indeed,it's easy to give yourself this
idea that you want somethingmore, you want more money, you
want more happiness, but it'smore difficult to apply the
changes that you need to do.
Change is hard, it'schallenging, but it's not
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impossible.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is true, and I mean the Italian muffle is a
good one.
When you said that, immediatelyI thought of, like, like the
mean girls quote you can't sitwith us, you know, that's
awesome.
But no, it's true.
I mean even myself personally,right, you know, obviously I
have, you know, my friends fromcollege and and everything like
that, and we're still reallygood friends.
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But at the same time I don'twant to go out and drink and I
don't want to go out and do therandom things that they do 99%
of the time.
And so they've learned.
If I answer pretty much like, ohyeah, maybe you know, that
means I'm not coming, right, andthen, and then it got to the
point where you know thathappens so often that they just
don't invite me and it doesn't,it doesn't hurt my feelings.
That that's kind of what Iwanted anyways, right, and then
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we hang out for, you know, groupevents, birthdays, stuff like
that, but not just every singleweekend, right, so it's, the
ghosting thing is a huge one,right.
If you just tell someone like,hey, you're, you know you're not
aligned with my goals,obviously it like, hey, you're,
you know you're not aligned withmy goals, obviously, it's kind
of kind of straightforward andyou might not get the response
that you thought.
You know, not, not a lot ofpeople are going to be receptive
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to that, um, but I mean thatItalian model and I like that,
though.
Do you want to know a hack?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
A hack is to move away from your original place of
birth.
Most people they stay exactlywhere they are the same state,
the same country or even thecity.
Right, they stay within five to10 miles.
Back in the 20s, 30s, 40s,around that time, they found
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their relationships within 10miles from their radius of where
they lived.
Now we can go on dating sitesand we could find people all
over the world to marry right,but before it was very small
right, we had a 10 mile radiusto figure out that.
And now our world is so vastand technology is a great thing,
but it can also be a thing thatcan cause a person to look at
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their situation and say, well,look at what I have versus what
someone else have.
And then they start to playthat comparison game, keeping up
with the Joe like Joneses, andthen they find themselves not
happy.
So the hack is just to move awayfrom all your possible
distractions.
Your friends from high school,your friends from college
they're not here anymore.
If you go to, let's say, youwant to go to California and all
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your friends are in New York,I'm not saying that you can't
visit your friends or talk toyour friends anymore, but when
you put yourself in a newenvironment, you have no option
but to succeed or to fail.
It is that clean.
The failing part is going to beI guess I'll go back home and
stay with my parents, orsomething along those lines.
But you can always just say,okay, if I'm having a hard time
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right now, right, moving fromone state to another, all right,
let's look at those challenges.
What are those challenges Like?
Do I feel lonely?
Sometimes people feel lonely,especially women.
They feel lonely when theyleave their families for the
first time.
It's like, you know, like Imiss my mom, I miss my dad, I
miss my siblings or whateverthings that they didn't even
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know they needed.
They need that emotionalattachment, so they have to
create that, whether it be viazoom, you know, like WhatsApp
groups or whatever.
You have to create that and youhave to give yourself this idea
of I'm still attached to thepeople I love the most, because
it doesn't matter the distance.
If you are truly meant to bewith someone, or someone's
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supposed to be in your circle orwith you, you can spend 10, 20,
50 years apart and the momentyou two reunite, it's like let's
pick up where we left off.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And that's how you find who's truly meant to be in
your circle.
And that's how you find likewho's truly meant to be in your
circle, right, I mean one of mybest friends, you know.
He moved to Vegas that's wherehis mom moved and stuff and me
and him can not talk for months,you know, and all of a sudden
we hang out one time it's likenothing has changed, right, you
know, it's like we pick up wherewe left off other people.
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It's like you see them and thenyou're like oh, so you know
what are you doing now.
You know how's life and and soforth, and then it's like okay,
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yeah, hey, there, all right, Idon't know what just happened.
All of a sudden, like I heardeverything you said and I went
to start responding and then Inoticed, as I looked at my
screen, the computer wasn'tdoing anything and then it just
turned off.
So I apologize.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yep, so you could basically just go from where I
said, if you want to make yourediting easy, basically what you
were talking about.
Is this true because yourfriend moved to Vegas?
Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So, yeah, so, like my friend moving to Vegas, it was,
you know, for him, you know, ahuge change and he cut off a lot
of the party stuff, a lot ofthe other things that weren't
aligning with him and me and himcould not talk for months,
right, and all of a sudden we,you know, connect or we hang out
and it's like nothing haschanged.
You know, everything picks upright where left off, and then I
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have other friends that youknow I haven't seen for a while,
and then all of a sudden wehang out and it's that awkward,
like almost, you know I forgetwhat it's called when you just
meet someone for the first timeand you have to do those like
warmup questions and it's likeokay, those are the people that
probably aren't necessary toyour circle, right, but the hack
almost that I would add toyours is that if you don't have
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the courage of essentiallypicking up and moving, like just
change your phone number, right, and give your phone number to
essentially the people that youwant to, and then someone else,
all of a sudden you might runinto them and they're like I've
been trying to text you, oh, mybad, I got a new phone number
you know and then you can gofrom that you know um that's
ghosting.
Yeah, that's ghosting on a wholenother level, right, you know
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so you don't have to block theirnumber and then all of a sudden
they find out.
You block them, you just changeyour number and use that as an
excuse.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You might as well just unfriend them from social
media.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean they'll get the hey, we're done.
Yeah, they'll get the picture,yeah, so, yeah.
So I mean, with that too,though, right, with moving, with
changing number, with changingyour friends circle and
everything like that, right.
One of the questions, that kindof lines I want to get your
opinion on it, is the limitingbeliefs people have right,
because, from whether it's yourbring up, whether it's your
circle, right, sometimeslimiting beliefs can be placed
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externally, but also can beplaced internally.
How do you start to get someoneover a limiting belief?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, Well, one of the things you have to do is
allow them to believe it'spossible.
Right, belief is the cure.
I remember one time this isearly like college I had a
student and he I was a swiminstructor at the time.
He just learned how to swim, Ijust taught him how to swim and
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I wanted him to swim across thepool.
I knew he can do it, but hedidn't know he could do it.
Right, he never did it before.
Right, so I say, okay, I wantyou to swim across the pool.
He looks at me, goes, what areyou crazy?
And I was like, first of all,you're three who taught you this
word, so, so, so I'm like, no,I'm not crazy, I'm like you're
going to swim across this pooland you don't have a choice,
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right.
And he's like okay, but he was,he was very fearful, he was
timid, right, and this is ayoung man who was timid when I
got him at two and I got him tobe more brave he's a big brother
now and he was ready to swimacross the pool, but you know,
his mind didn't know it waspossible quite yet.
So I coached him through it andI, you know, and we got him
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across the pool and you can tell, about halfway to 75% of the
way, panic started to ensue andhe started like, oh my God, I'm
not going to make it.
And I coached him through him Itake your breath, get those
arms up, get those feet moving,and I make sure that they don't
touch me.
They touch the wall right.
So they did it on their ownaccord.
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They didn't need me.
I'm there just as uh, you know,just as a audience member to
see your greatness happen, rightto unfold.
And so he touches the wall andthe mom loses it.
Oh yeah, oh my god.
And he's like, yes, I got itright, give him a high five.
And then at that point thatlimit was gone.
He never called me crazy again.
(25:01):
He never said he couldn't swimacross the pool, he just did it
right Because he basicallyunderstood.
If I'm asking him something,it's that I know he's ready, and
so, similar to how you have tohave those people in your life
that can say you're ready, Ithink is very important to have
(25:21):
those, because I remember when Iwas doing my student teaching,
you have cooperating teachersthat you learn from to be a
teacher and you are in there anybetween like eight and 14 weeks
, depending on your major, etcetera.
And my second cooperatingteacher after I was done on my
first at the high school level,I went to the elementary school
level and he's a great guy, likephenomenal teacher, and I often
(25:46):
compared myself to him.
I said like I, like I'm not youlike, like you do it so great,
like it's so easy for you, butfor me it's challenging.
And he was able to see myweaknesses and we worked on
those weaknesses and eventuallywe made them strengths.
And toward the last week orprobably the last day, I said
you know, I think I need moretime.
He goes no, you don't, you'reready.
(26:08):
And it's very similar to thatidea of that young boy now I'm
an adult and he's saying you'reready, right, just because you
can't see it yet doesn't meanthat it's not possible.
So when I went into schools andI was a teacher and there was
no one else in the classroom, Ijust gave myself this idea that
I was ready.
Now you have to do the work inorder for you to be ready.
(26:28):
For example, let's say you wantto be a public speaker.
You can't not practice publicspeaking, you can't not work on
your presentation and expectjust to go on stage and be
brilliant, right, you have to dothe work, for whatever you want
to do, whether it be career, abusiness you have to put into
work the hours to gainexperience, and once you develop
(26:49):
or you start to attain moreexperience, you're going to get
that confidence, and thatconfidence is going to lead to
yourself believing that you cando something belief and then
those limits that you have justkind of naturally fade away.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, I think that's awesome and that's an awesome
explanation of it.
I mean, just like the littleboy that was swimming across the
pool, like, how many times dowe get halfway with something
and then start to panic, right,start to have self-doubt and
then decide to turn back whenyou're pretty much at the
halfway point?
It's the same distance to theother side, but we already know
(27:25):
what the other side has.
So we go back to that side,right, and even even like more,
so like what your example of youknow, I'm not ready.
You do this so well, you are X,you know I'm not that yet.
And it's like, a lot of timeswe compare ourselves to someone
that is already excellent oralready, you know, has been
(27:45):
doing it for years, and developthe skills you know to be that
next level, and we compare themto what is supposed to be base
level, right, and I'm not atthat your level, so I'm not
ready.
It's like, look, my level isn'treadiness, my level is past
that, right, and you have to.
You have to like kind of shiftyour mind, because a lot of
(28:05):
entrepreneurs start to do thistoo.
From my, my experience of liketalking to different
entrepreneurs is you know,they'll compare themselves to
the Andy Vercela's, the ElonMusk's, the you know, you know
Bill Gates?
It's like those are one of fewentrepreneurs.
You are an entrepreneur.
Stop belittling your promotionof yourself.
(28:29):
Entrepreneur is just a titleand you think that you're not an
entrepreneur.
You're not a business ownerbecause you're not at an Inc 500
level company, yet You're stilla business owner on paper.
So it's like what is theimposter syndrome?
What is that self-doubtingbelief really?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, and we all start somewhere.
Like people don't realize thatyou know Jeff Bezos was in his
garage, you know selling books,right.
Like they don't see that.
And if you look at some of theold pictures, he's there, he has
Honda and now he's on yachtsand private planes and things
like that.
People, they see the end result, the goal, right.
They don't see the journey.
(29:07):
Many people, when it comes tolooking at a winner, they don't
look at the winner for all thelosses that became their
foundation.
It's just wow.
Look at all the money, look atall the confidence, look at all
this great stuff that I wish Ihad right now.
We live in this society, or thisworld, where immediate
(29:27):
gratification is the essentialnecessity of everyone's life.
Or I want things now, I don'twant it later.
People who they start going tothe gym, for example, they will
stop after just a few monthsbecause they're not getting the
results, because they want itimmediately.
And the same thing is true inbusinesses.
The reason why 50% ofbusinesses fail within the first
(29:48):
couple of months, if not years,is because they're not seeing
the results.
And if you ask any businessowner, they basically say or
good business owner.
They say, don't worry about theprofit, right.
Worry about the progress, right.
Worry about the change thatyou're going to be creating.
Whether it be helping peopleget in shape, maybe giving the
best clothes for people If youhave a clothing store, the best
(30:08):
beauty products If you have abeauty healthcare line or
something along those lines withsupplements, you get to choose
your business right.
But as long as you're helpingpeople, it doesn't matter how
many people you're helping,because it's only going to be at
some point.
It might be five, 10, 15 yearsdown the road where you're going
to say, wow, like look at howfar we've come, right, because
before you might've just beenselling stuff to your family
(30:29):
members, but now you're doingyour whole community and
eventually it's going to be thenation, maybe even the world
after that?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, a hundred percent .
And, like you said, I tellpeople the same thing.
It's like no one really seesthe graveyard of mistakes and
failures along the journey.
They just see that tip of theiceberg and you're comparing
your journey to someone's tip oftheir iceberg.
It's like Elon Musk, forexample, had PayPal, he had X,
he had all these differentthings, and people just
(30:58):
acknowledge him for the onething, the biggest thing and
people just acknowledge them forthe one thing, the biggest
thing.
And it's like I think mostbusiness owners have a slew of
things that didn't work outbefore they found the thing that
worked out.
And so just because you're notat that level yet doesn't mean
you can't get there.
You just need to keep going,build the skills and so forth,
and sometimes it doesn't workout, and that's okay.
(31:19):
You try again.
You just step back up to theplate.
No one bats a thousand, but youcan't, you know, get a home run
if you don't step up to theplate.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Very, true and this idea of you know, like burn the
bridges or burn the ships orsomething like that, right,
there's two types of people inthis world people who like plans
and people who don't like plans.
Plan A people are like, hey, Ihave this one choice, this is
what it's going to be, right,and they push until they get it.
There's certain people who sayI have plan A, b, c, d, right,
(31:49):
and if something doesn't work,let me switch right.
But then, if you think about it, right, if you do plan A for,
let's say, a couple of years,you already took the beating for
that plan A.
So now you can either use thatknowledge and that wisdom to
help you with plan B or to keepon taking that beating, maybe
for a little bit longer, to haveplan A work.
So it's just a different typeof thinking.
(32:10):
And are you this type of personwho just wants to plan A, or are
you a person that likes to havea lot of contingencies?
And I'm not saying that we'regoing to be reckless.
I'm not saying we're going togo to the casino and we're going
to put all our money down andwe're going to just bet it on
one hand a blackjack orsomething like that.
Right, we're not being crazy.
Right, we are going to bepractical and we're going to do
(32:33):
things in our own.
I guess you can say experience,right, so we know we have like
a level of experience forsomething, a knowledge base.
Then we know we can dosomething.
If I ask someone to tie yourshoe or like their shoe, they
could probably say, yeah, not aproblem.
If I ask you know most peopleto go to their fridge and get a
drink, they probably can do that.
(32:53):
But if I ask you know myfour-year-old or my
four-month-old daughter to dothat, she can't do that yet.
Right.
So you have to figure out whatyou can do and then you start
there.
But then again you have to giveyourself the mindset which
person are you?
A person who likes to focus onone thing, or are you a person
that likes to focus on manythings?
(33:14):
There's two types ofentrepreneurs that I found when
you know from working with thempeople who are just just hyper
focused on one thing, and peoplewho have a new LLC every single
month.
All right, those people havemultiple plans a, b, c, d right,
even though they want all theplans to work.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But then there's going to be people who are
saying, hey, you know, like thisis my one thing, right, I'm
going to make sure this KFCworks, or whatever right, and I
think I mean there's a time andplace, I think, and and
obviously with I do agree,because with you know, launching
the franchise company andbringing franchisees on, I that
for me I'm the kind of personthat needs to burn the boats,
(33:51):
right, that's just.
I work best under pressure.
If I have contingencies, I willstart to get complacent, you
know, and for me I just knowthat that's just my mindset.
But I also tell people that'snot also for everyone.
If someone has a normal nine tofive and is looking to start a
business, it's like, look, youcan do that.
(34:12):
You can do your nine to fiveand then, from five to nine,
work on your business until it'smaking more money or makes
enough sense that you can quityour nine to five.
Then, you know, go for that.
For me, personally, I was like Icouldn't do that because the
whole time I'd be at the nine tofive.
I would just be thinking of thefive to nine, right, like I get
super hyper-focus, like you say, on one thing and that's all I
(34:34):
could think about.
You know, and that's noteveryone, um, but to, to that
it's like even someone thatburns the bridges, or even the
person that has all thedifferent llcs.
I think that there's a time andplace to differentiate and have
those contingencies, because ifyou have an llc, let's say,
(34:54):
every other week, every month,it's like are you putting enough
effort into the, into any ofthem, let alone one of them, to
make it actually work?
Or are you living life as, like, grass is always greener on the
other side and then the otherside and the other side?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, it goes to this Denzel Washington quote.
He says don't mistake movementfor progress.
And many people think that ifthey do a lot of things then
there must be doing somethingright?
Right, because they're nothaving busy time or or or wasted
time, they're not on theirphone scrolling or something
like that.
So the fact that they're doingsomething productive doesn't
mean that is going to beconducive to a thriving business
(35:31):
down the road.
Right?
So for that, I encourage peopleto get a mentor in the area or
the field where you're mostpassionate about passion.
Right, the key is passion thereis that you're most passionate
about passion.
Right, the key is passion thereis that you're most passionate
about right, not about the mostmoney yet, but the most passion,
because when you can dosomething you love, then you do
(35:52):
other things that can make youmoney.
The passion part is what keepsyou going.
You could have plan B to makeyou side money.
If you've got a fingerprintingbusiness.
You could have a trash company,a landscaping company.
Right?
Those things might not be yourpassions, but they are maybe
helping you have the lifestylethat you would like, right?
You want to go on morevacations.
You want to drive a certaintype of car, you want to live in
a certain neighborhood.
(36:12):
All of these things happenbecause of your other options,
but you did have a main focus.
So it's.
It's very similar to how maybeyou know guys and I'm not saying
you're this guy, I was this guyin high school, college you
have, you know, differentgirlfriends, right, you have
multiple girls, right, but youalways have a main girl, right,
(36:32):
and then eventually you getmarried.
You just have one right,because you can't afford to have
all of these distractions,because you have a family now
and you have businesses now,probably.
So you have to laser focus whattruly matters now, right,
because when you're 18, youdon't really have too much on
your plate, unless livingcircumstances and situations can
(36:55):
kind of depict that differentlyfor you.
But for most of these people,they have the world, they're
like all right, let me go outand party.
And this is why, around 2021,they go and they go party and
they go drink and they go do allthese things right.
And it's because they finallyget a taste of being an adult
and they don't necessarily knowwhat an adult truly means buy
(37:19):
alcohol or cigarettes or go towar or start a family or buy a
home or rent a car, if you are25 or older, you don't have to
pay a surcharge for it.
That is not what being an adultis.
You have to define that.
It's very similar to how youdefine success, and if you get
(37:40):
really clear and you do the work, you can do it today.
Define things right.
Just because my definition ofsuccess is me being financially
fit and my family beingprotected and provided for for
the next 20 years, hey, that'smy success.
But maybe that's not yoursuccess.
Maybe you want to spend as muchtime with your friends and your
(38:00):
loved ones and you live in arundown neighborhood and that
could be your success, right?
So just because I look at yoursuccess different and you look
at someone's success differently, it doesn't mean you're doing
it wrong, but there is a way todo it correctly and you don't
have to be inventing the wheelevery single time you want to do
something.
Find someone who has done it,get a mentor, a guide.
(38:23):
They're going to see all yourblind spots before you even do
it and you can mitigate so manyhardships and traumas and
challenges that you wouldn'teven have to deal with if you
just invested in your learningand your growth.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh, a hundred percent , and I agree with you.
And, yep, I was.
I was one of those guys, asunfortunate as it is.
So I get you on that.
I mean, as we wrap up, I'd liketo ask one final question, and
I love everything that we'vetalked about so far, so I'm
really interested to get yourtake on this.
Now, this is the legacy wallquestion.
(38:58):
Now, before I ask you thequestion, it's not a tombstone
right?
So, even though I say that somepeople still try to give me the
tombstone answer a tombstoneright.
So even though I say that somepeople still try to give me the
tombstone answer, this is theone message that you'd leave for
the up and coming generationsthat you've learned along your
life's journey.
What would your legacy wallmessage be?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well, it goes into the business.
The business that I created isRevin Concepts, and Revin is
just never backwards, and so theidea is never is just an option
, right?
So you always have the optionto push and progress or to stay
stagnant and to not even look upever again.
Right, you can be a personwho's forgotten in the, you know
(39:37):
, in the stance of time, or youcould be someone who's going to
echo in the stands of time,right, we can think of greats
George Washington, we couldthink of Abraham Lincoln, you
know presidents that are onmoney, right?
Money we use daily.
And you might ask well, you know, maybe I won't be a president
that's on money, but you can bean author, you can be a person
(39:57):
that has created impact in theirlife, and it's very similar to
a person planting a tree, forexample.
You don't plant a tree to enjoythe shade, you plant a tree for
your great great grandchildrento enjoy the shade.
And that's the idea of whatlegacy is the work that you do
is going to compound, maybe notin your time, but in your
generation's time.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I love that and I love the name of the company too
.
I didn't even think about that.
That's awesome, but no,honestly, that's an awesome
legacy wall thing and never isjust an option.
That is boom, that's a mic dropright there.
That's the first time.
I've actually heard someone saythat.
I love that.
Where can people connect withyou, learn more about your
(40:40):
company, learn more about whatyou got going on?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Easy enough Revenconceptscom I'm sure you're
going to throw that down in theshow notes so people don't have
to worry about spelling andalso at Reven Concepts.
On all of our socials.
We are everywhere where there'ssocial media.
You can tune in on YouTube,watch some of the clips or some
of the podcasts that we have.
Our podcast is Coaching in insession, if you want to hear a
(41:03):
bit of mindset from a differentend, and then also to tune into
Devin's episode that we have oncoaching in session, because he
was dropping some bombs theretoo.
So definitely tune into thatepisode, and I'm sure you're
going to pop that link alsoright down below for people to
tune in.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
That is right.
All those links will be downbelow, guys, Make sure you guys
check out you know Revanconcepts.
Make sure you guys check outhis show as well.
It is an awesome show.
And, of course, you know, checkout my episode with them.
Um, but you know, thank you somuch for taking the time out of
your day to to hop on themindset cafe.
We had an amazing conversationon your, your podcast, so it's
always great to run it back andand switch the chairs around, so
(41:42):
I do really appreciate it.
Truly a pleasure.
Thank you, David.
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(00:20):
What is up, guys?
Welcome to another episode ofthe Mindset Cafe podcast.
It's your boy, devin, and todaywe are honored to have a
special guest, michael Reardon.
He is the founder and CEO ofRaven Concepts, a mindset and
personal growth company that isrevolutionizing the coaching
industry through its innovativesubscription-based model.
(00:41):
We'll dive into that.
I'll let him explain some ofthat stuff, but because it
always is nice to hear it fromthe person themselves versus
just what I can see from theoutside.
But I think he's doing someamazing things and I think him
being on the Mindset Cafe isgoing to give you guys some
awesome knowledge.
So make sure you guys break outyour notepads and take some
notes, but without that furtherado, michael, thank you so much
for taking the time to hop onthe Mindset Cafe, of course, and
(01:03):
thank you so much for having meon today.
So I mean, I want to dive intoyour backstory before we get
into your current story, right?
How did you?
What was your bring up like,what was your childhood like?
And you know, kind of bird'seye view that led you to where
you are now.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, I grew up in the ghetto of Connecticut and
Connecticut has a drastic wealthgap.
You can go to Greenwich whereyou have some of the wealth like
the wealthiest people in theworld they're probably excluding
Dubai and then you have, youknow, cities like Bridgeport,
stratford is going to be lowerincome families.
So we grew up there in theghetto.
(01:39):
But I do appreciate that uh,upbringing because it really
gave me a drive to want tochange.
Right, I could see the bad andI know some people who they grow
up with, things where they.
You know, maybe the silverspoon in their mouth or that
concept of a privilege, um, youknow, it's a wonderful thing to
(02:00):
have, but I think when youreally have no choice but to
take action, it allows you totake action a lot sooner.
So that was my upbringing andyou know we had a hardworking
mom, my brother and my sister,and you know she did her best to
kind of shelter us from thatghetto, right?
So, even though we were in themiddle of all the drugs and the
(02:21):
violence, and she sent us toprivate schools, but she had to
work two to three jobs just toget that done and sometimes, you
know, payments were late,things like that because she had
to keep up with everything.
So we fast forward now.
You know high school.
Around that time I was going toa college prep school and it's
like, okay, well, what am Igoing to do?
(02:42):
Right, I mean, I have to makesome money.
So I went into accounting,business, finance, because I
thought, well, my mom is notgoing to appreciate anything
else but a job that's going tobe making a little bit of money,
or a job that has a little bitof status.
And I can't tell you how manypeople they fall in line with
what their parents' ideals are.
And so college was my mom'sideal.
(03:05):
If I had to do it again,college is a great thing, but I
probably would have just wentthe entrepreneur route, because
I would have did exactly whatI'm doing today without all of
the college student loans that Ihad to pay off.
But it's different for everyone, right?
College can be a great thing.
If you want to be a lawyer or adoctor or something like that,
you need that.
(03:25):
I went to college because Iswitched my major from business
and accounting to teaching.
So I became a teacher and I wasteaching for quite some time.
I was teaching music andspecial ed, and when I was at
the end or the transition pointfrom my teaching career to my
coaching career, somethinghappened.
I started to pay attention tothe people around me.
(03:46):
I saw teachers that have beenin the career 25 to 50 years and
I saw what they had, and itwasn't that what they had wasn't
good enough, it's just that Iwanted more.
And there's this quote that I amfavorable to and I know this is
not going to be everyone's cupof tea, but it's crumbs are not
(04:07):
for everyone and even thoughteachers make a huge impact on a
child's life, I wanted to dosomething that was going to
create a bigger impact in theworld, not just in a classroom
of 30 kids or a single town thatI will be working in.
I wanted to be internationaland so fast forward to the
coaching.
2018 started Revan Concepts andthe idea was to fill in the
(04:32):
gaps where schools were fallingshort, because, as a teacher,
you get to see the students thatare coming and going and you
can see when they're going, arethey ready or if they're not
ready, and I saw so manystudents who are not ready for
the real world, and those samestudents, eventually, are going
to be getting a consultation andmaybe even signing up for
coaching, you know, with me,because there's something within
(04:55):
them, a lack, a limit, you know, a curiosity that they're
hungry to learn more about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean it is true, and I mean I love the quote and
I do resonate with the quote andit makes sense.
And you know, unfortunately, asit is not everyone's going to
resonate with it, but I think itis an important quote.
You know to, to note and knowthat just because someone's
happy with the lifestyle doesn'tmean you have to be happy with
that lifestyle, right?
And I think that it's awesomethat you realize that your
(05:26):
upbringing gave you strengths.
Right, cause a lot of peoplehave a certain kind of
upbringing or in a or in acertain environment and think
this is what I have to, this iswhat I am, right, and this is
what is made for me.
And the world is your play box,you know your sandbox, as long
as you're willing to get alittle dirty.
And you know, start buildingthat castle, right?
(05:49):
So what started getting youinto the mindset, the personal
development, the?
You know all those things.
Why didn't you go intosomething of a different?
You know industry.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, one of the things I started to see was the
limits that I had mentionedprior.
When you have a person that hasbeen given the limits whether
they be you're not good enough,right, you're going to be a
garbage man or something likethat.
And I know teachers mean well.
I would say I've worked withsome amazing teachers throughout
my career as a teacher and justyou know, in general and life,
(06:25):
knowing them, most of them havegood hearts, but then some days
they get tired because they'rehuman.
They have their own familyissues.
Maybe they just got a puppy andthey're not getting any sleep.
There's a lot of problems goingon in their life too, and some
of the conversations that wouldhappen in the teacher's room
would be something like this oh,you know, this person's giving
(06:48):
me such a hard time.
I wish they would just quit.
You know they're just going tobe a failure and it's not that
they really truly envisionedthat for that student, it's just
that they're just frustrated atthe time.
But if you know anything aboutthe human mind, or you know just
any bit of psychology, thesubconscious mind is going to
believe everything the consciousmind, or just from words, are
going to say, and it's going tohave a severe or maybe even a
(07:09):
dramatic impact on yourprogression in life.
So just having this teacherhave this aura of energy, maybe
they don't even say it to thestudent.
The student can tell it's likeoh, you know, like I guess I'm
not going to be anything, orsomething like that.
To tell is like oh, you know,like I guess I'm not going to be
anything, or something likethat.
And I'm sure you're familiarwith the study of NASA when
(07:30):
they're trying to figure out youknow who are geniuses and when
you know and how do geniusesform.
And they developed this test andthey followed these students,
you know, all the way from, youknow, kindergarten up into like
fifth grade or something likethat.
And what they noticed aroundthird grade the marker for
genius dropped off severely whenthey were doing the test, when
(07:50):
they were kindergarteners.
So there was 94% genius andthen by third grade it was a
fraction of that.
So we have to ask ourselveswhat's happening in those two to
three years of a child'sdevelopment.
And what it is is that theyhave been given limits.
They have been told to sit down, raise your hand If you have to
go to the bathroom, you know,wait in line or something along
(08:10):
those lines and then you know,maybe down the road you get a
little bit more freedom incollege, but even that you know
you have so many years ofbondage that is hard to break
free.
So this is why so many peoplethey lie in comfort, they stay
in their comfort zones, and soone of the things I was
interested in is helping peoplenot only understand their
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comfort zones but to break freefrom them, because when they
think about the good life, it'sbeyond the comfort zone, it's
not within it.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Oh, no, definitely.
And it's crazy that youmentioned that with like the,
you know, up until that thirdgrade like, because even my
daughter I have a three year oldand the amount that she picks
up it's, it's insane, right, Iwas just at my assistant last
graduation from UC Davis and upon the teleprompt screen thing
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there was, you know, you couldsee everyone getting their
awards and so forth, and in thelittle corner there was a person
doing the ASL, the signlanguage, and my daughter didn't
ask about it, she didn't sayanything about it.
And then all of a sudden mysister-in-law was opening her
graduation gifts and she waslike reading the cards and my
three-year-old just standingnext to her and just doing sign
movements and getting madbecause we're all laughing,
because we realized what she wasdoing and she was like be quiet
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.
And then she kept doing justdifferent movements of their
hands in acting as theinterpreter but she didn't say
anything, it didn't acknowledgeit and ask what it was and it
was crazy that you know she hadpicked that up and like knew
what it was.
So it is crazy that that dropoff when you're kind of told to
get in line and follow suit.
You know it can.
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It can do a lot to a person, oreven a lot to a kid, and you
know kind of detriment their,their growth of genius.
Some of the things that youtalk about, right, is, you know,
the downward spiral.
The downward spiral, right?
How can people start toidentify if they're in one?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, one of the things you have to understand is
you have to have a group ofpeople who want to see you
better than what you are, andparents typically do a good job,
but then parents are also thefactors that can make it very
difficult.
We can look at 2019, 2020 withthe pandemic, and parents would
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previously think T-shirts werejust glorified babysitters.
Parents would previously thinkT-shirts were just glorified
babysitters.
And then all of a sudden nowparents were kind of the
forefront in their child'seducation and they have to deal
with them for the whole schoolday and they're seeing how their
children are acting.
They're like whoa, this istough, right, I know early on,
you know you said you have athree-year-old.
I have a three-year-old alsoand I have a newborn.
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She's five months at the timeof this recording and when I
look at favoritism, I say Ienjoy him more.
Not because I enjoy him more,it's just because he's more
self-sufficient by himself.
He can get his iPad, he can gethis snacks, he knows the deal
right, she doesn't know the dealyet and what happens is many
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people, they just don't know thedeal yet and they have to be
reminded, and one of the bestthings you can do is to get a
mentor, to get a guide, to get ateacher that cares, a coach.
Right, someone who's going tosay, hey, I can see the
potential within you.
Because sometimes what happensis we might be lacking a little
bit of confidence, we might notbe as optimistic today, and, you
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know, pessimism is justreigning supreme.
Our mind is naturally negative.
So what's happening is manypeople, they are just going to
spiral out before they say, okay, what's the better option?
You know what is the fix?
And there's.
You know people wait untiltrauma or something bad happens
in their life before they getcoaching.
Rightfully, so right, coachingcan be expensive, but I always
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tell people, you know, when theyget a consultation or they're,
you know, signing up forcoaching, and you know, one of
the questions I say is well,where were you three months ago?
Right, because three months agois when we should have been
doing the work, not today wheneverything is on fire, when
you're in credit card debt, whenyou, you know you got your
divorce paper served.
There's a lot of problems thatwe just have to pay attention to
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.
So one of the things that youcan do or are like like right
now, even if you don't get acoach is to pay attention.
How do you pay attention?
There's different methods.
You have to figure out whatworks for you.
Meditation can, can can be agreat asset for you.
Working out, right, you are inthat meditative state, right?
I know you do a lot of gymstuff.
So when people are in thatstate, they're not thinking
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about maybe, their bills or allthis stuff.
Maybe they want to talk to youabout that stuff.
But if you're giving them a nicestrong workout, they're
thinking about survival, right,like if they're doing, you know,
crossfit or something like that, they're not thinking about
where they're going to eat after.
They're just thinking about howam I going to make this?
You know, like, get throughthis.
And this is where the focus hasto be, like, what can we do
today?
And so we have to look at thesmallest step possible and we
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have to assure that we're goingto do that step, not, oh, I
might do it, I'll get to itlater.
This mindset can't be thereanymore.
You have to just say if I wantsome change to happen in my life
because I'm not satisfied withhow I'm currently living, you
have to be that change.
You have to give yourselfpeople or individuals that are
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going to help nurture that too.
So again, teachers, coaches,parents and stuff like that are
going to help nurture it.
Coaches, parents and stuff likethat are going to help nurture
it.
And if you are around toxicpeople or negative people,
people you just get bad energyfrom, leave them right.
You don't have to bringeveryone with you.
I know we live in this peoplepleasing world but at the end of
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the day, if you're not happy,does it really matter if someone
else is happy at your expense?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Oh no, definitely I mean, and it's hard sometimes,
like that self-reflection, ishard to be truthful with
yourself, right, and realizingthat you're in that downward
spiral.
But it is important and thefirst step is acknowledging it.
Is it your circle, like yousaid?
You know, because you should bearound people that are lifting
you up and trying to push you.
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You know whether it is a coach,whether it is, you know, a
trainer, whether it is just yourfriends.
If they're not trying to forceyou to be better, then maybe
you're in the wrong circle,right?
Very true.
So I mean going into that.
How do you, how do you letsomeone know that they're in the
wrong circle, right?
That's a tough conversation andyou know to have sometimes, but
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it is necessary sometimes.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, I mean, you could be straight up with them
and say hey, you don't belonghere, right, you can kick them
out, kind of like the Italianmafia.
You could say, all right,you're done, buddy.
Or you can just do what manypeople do today in our world.
They do a lot of ghosting,right?
They just say I'm just going tominimize my interactions with
you and eventually you're goingto understand that I don't want
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to be around you.
That naturally occurs, and Ithink that's probably what most
people are going to do.
Is there a better option?
I don't necessarily thinkthere's a wrong or right way to
do, you know, getting rid ofpeople who don't serve you or
don't belong in your life.
But you just have to be veryclear on your expectations, and
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I think that's important.
Your expectations should beparamount, not only for yourself
but for others.
I have expectations for my kids, I have expectations for my
wife, and I give myselfexpectations too, and she has
expectations for the kids andmyself, and they're different,
right?
Because I understand that ifI'm doing something incorrectly,
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that's causing some type ofhardship or discrepancy in our
relationship, and therelationship doesn't have to
just be my family, it could befriends also.
I have to do the work to eitherfix myself, because I can't
change anybody.
So if I want to fix myself, tobe in this relationship because
I believe it's beneficial to me,then I'll do the work, but if
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I'm not seeing the benefit to it, then I'm.
You know, I might try to keepit for a little bit, but at some
point you're going to stop.
You know, you're just going tostop caring and you can look at
any aspect of your life whereyou have started something and
you stopped this just becauseyou just didn't care enough.
One of the things that manypeople do, especially when they
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start a business or they start acareer they're looking for,
like a job switch.
It's easy to look on Indeed,it's easy to give yourself this
idea that you want somethingmore, you want more money, you
want more happiness, but it'smore difficult to apply the
changes that you need to do.
Change is hard, it'schallenging, but it's not
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impossible.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That is true, and I mean the Italian muffle is a
good one.
When you said that, immediatelyI thought of, like, like the
mean girls quote you can't sitwith us, you know, that's
awesome.
But no, it's true.
I mean even myself personally,right, you know, obviously I
have, you know, my friends fromcollege and and everything like
that, and we're still reallygood friends.
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But at the same time I don'twant to go out and drink and I
don't want to go out and do therandom things that they do 99%
of the time.
And so they've learned.
If I answer pretty much like, ohyeah, maybe you know, that
means I'm not coming, right, andthen, and then it got to the
point where you know thathappens so often that they just
don't invite me and it doesn't,it doesn't hurt my feelings.
That that's kind of what Iwanted anyways, right, and then
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we hang out for, you know, groupevents, birthdays, stuff like
that, but not just every singleweekend, right, so it's, the
ghosting thing is a huge one,right.
If you just tell someone like,hey, you're, you know you're not
aligned with my goals,obviously it like, hey, you're,
you know you're not aligned withmy goals, obviously, it's kind
of kind of straightforward andyou might not get the response
that you thought.
You know, not, not a lot ofpeople are going to be receptive
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to that, um, but I mean thatItalian model and I like that,
though.
Do you want to know a hack?
What's that?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
A hack is to move away from your original place of
birth.
Most people they stay exactlywhere they are the same state,
the same country or even thecity.
Right, they stay within five to10 miles.
Back in the 20s, 30s, 40s,around that time, they found
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their relationships within 10miles from their radius of where
they lived.
Now we can go on dating sitesand we could find people all
over the world to marry right,but before it was very small
right, we had a 10 mile radiusto figure out that.
And now our world is so vastand technology is a great thing,
but it can also be a thing thatcan cause a person to look at
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their situation and say, well,look at what I have versus what
someone else have.
And then they start to playthat comparison game, keeping up
with the Joe like Joneses, andthen they find themselves not
happy.
So the hack is just to move awayfrom all your possible
distractions.
Your friends from high school,your friends from college
they're not here anymore.
If you go to, let's say, youwant to go to California and all
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your friends are in New York,I'm not saying that you can't
visit your friends or talk toyour friends anymore, but when
you put yourself in a newenvironment, you have no option
but to succeed or to fail.
It is that clean.
The failing part is going to beI guess I'll go back home and
stay with my parents, orsomething along those lines.
But you can always just say,okay, if I'm having a hard time
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right now, right, moving fromone state to another, all right,
let's look at those challenges.
What are those challenges Like?
Do I feel lonely?
Sometimes people feel lonely,especially women.
They feel lonely when theyleave their families for the
first time.
It's like, you know, like Imiss my mom, I miss my dad, I
miss my siblings or whateverthings that they didn't even
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know they needed.
They need that emotionalattachment, so they have to
create that, whether it be viazoom, you know, like WhatsApp
groups or whatever.
You have to create that and youhave to give yourself this idea
of I'm still attached to thepeople I love the most, because
it doesn't matter the distance.
If you are truly meant to bewith someone, or someone's
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supposed to be in your circle orwith you, you can spend 10, 20,
50 years apart and the momentyou two reunite, it's like let's
pick up where we left off.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And that's how you find who's truly meant to be in
your circle.
And that's how you find likewho's truly meant to be in your
circle, right, I mean one of mybest friends, you know.
He moved to Vegas that's wherehis mom moved and stuff and me
and him can not talk for months,you know, and all of a sudden
we hang out one time it's likenothing has changed, right, you
know, it's like we pick up wherewe left off other people.
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It's like you see them and thenyou're like oh, so you know
what are you doing now.
You know how's life and and soforth, and then it's like okay,
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yeah, hey, there, all right, Idon't know what just happened.
All of a sudden, like I heardeverything you said and I went
to start responding and then Inoticed, as I looked at my
screen, the computer wasn'tdoing anything and then it just
turned off.
So I apologize.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yep, so you could basically just go from where I
said, if you want to make yourediting easy, basically what you
were talking about.
Is this true because yourfriend moved to Vegas?
Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
So, yeah, so, like my friend moving to Vegas, it was,
you know, for him, you know, ahuge change and he cut off a lot
of the party stuff, a lot ofthe other things that weren't
aligning with him and me and himcould not talk for months,
right, and all of a sudden we,you know, connect or we hang out
and it's like nothing haschanged.
You know, everything picks upright where left off, and then I
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have other friends that youknow I haven't seen for a while,
and then all of a sudden wehang out and it's that awkward,
like almost, you know I forgetwhat it's called when you just
meet someone for the first timeand you have to do those like
warmup questions and it's likeokay, those are the people that
probably aren't necessary toyour circle, right, but the hack
almost that I would add toyours is that if you don't have
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the courage of essentiallypicking up and moving, like just
change your phone number, right, and give your phone number to
essentially the people that youwant to, and then someone else,
all of a sudden you might runinto them and they're like I've
been trying to text you, oh, mybad, I got a new phone number
you know and then you can gofrom that you know um that's
ghosting.
Yeah, that's ghosting on a wholenother level, right, you know
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so you don't have to block theirnumber and then all of a sudden
they find out.
You block them, you just changeyour number and use that as an
excuse.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You might as well just unfriend them from social
media.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean they'll get the hey, we're done.
Yeah, they'll get the picture,yeah, so, yeah.
So I mean, with that too,though, right, with moving, with
changing number, with changingyour friends circle and
everything like that, right.
One of the questions, that kindof lines I want to get your
opinion on it, is the limitingbeliefs people have right,
because, from whether it's yourbring up, whether it's your
circle, right, sometimeslimiting beliefs can be placed
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externally, but also can beplaced internally.
How do you start to get someoneover a limiting belief?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, Well, one of the things you have to do is
allow them to believe it'spossible.
Right, belief is the cure.
I remember one time this isearly like college I had a
student and he I was a swiminstructor at the time.
He just learned how to swim, Ijust taught him how to swim and
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I wanted him to swim across thepool.
I knew he can do it, but hedidn't know he could do it.
Right, he never did it before.
Right, so I say, okay, I wantyou to swim across the pool.
He looks at me, goes, what areyou crazy?
And I was like, first of all,you're three who taught you this
word, so, so, so I'm like, no,I'm not crazy, I'm like you're
going to swim across this pooland you don't have a choice,
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right.
And he's like okay, but he was,he was very fearful, he was
timid, right, and this is ayoung man who was timid when I
got him at two and I got him tobe more brave he's a big brother
now and he was ready to swimacross the pool, but you know,
his mind didn't know it waspossible quite yet.
So I coached him through it andI, you know, and we got him
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across the pool and you can tell, about halfway to 75% of the
way, panic started to ensue andhe started like, oh my God, I'm
not going to make it.
And I coached him through him Itake your breath, get those
arms up, get those feet moving,and I make sure that they don't
touch me.
They touch the wall right.
So they did it on their ownaccord.
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They didn't need me.
I'm there just as uh, you know,just as a audience member to
see your greatness happen, rightto unfold.
And so he touches the wall andthe mom loses it.
Oh yeah, oh my god.
And he's like, yes, I got itright, give him a high five.
And then at that point thatlimit was gone.
He never called me crazy again.
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He never said he couldn't swimacross the pool, he just did it
right Because he basicallyunderstood.
If I'm asking him something,it's that I know he's ready, and
so, similar to how you have tohave those people in your life
that can say you're ready, Ithink is very important to have
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those, because I remember when Iwas doing my student teaching,
you have cooperating teachersthat you learn from to be a
teacher and you are in there anybetween like eight and 14 weeks
, depending on your major, etcetera.
And my second cooperatingteacher after I was done on my
first at the high school level,I went to the elementary school
level and he's a great guy, likephenomenal teacher, and I often
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compared myself to him.
I said like I, like I'm not youlike, like you do it so great,
like it's so easy for you, butfor me it's challenging.
And he was able to see myweaknesses and we worked on
those weaknesses and eventuallywe made them strengths.
And toward the last week orprobably the last day, I said
you know, I think I need moretime.
He goes no, you don't, you'reready.
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And it's very similar to thatidea of that young boy now I'm
an adult and he's saying you'reready, right, just because you
can't see it yet doesn't meanthat it's not possible.
So when I went into schools andI was a teacher and there was
no one else in the classroom, Ijust gave myself this idea that
I was ready.
Now you have to do the work inorder for you to be ready.
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For example, let's say you wantto be a public speaker.
You can't not practice publicspeaking, you can't not work on
your presentation and expectjust to go on stage and be
brilliant, right, you have to dothe work, for whatever you want
to do, whether it be career, abusiness you have to put into
work the hours to gainexperience, and once you develop
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or you start to attain moreexperience, you're going to get
that confidence, and thatconfidence is going to lead to
yourself believing that you cando something belief and then
those limits that you have justkind of naturally fade away.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No, I think that's awesome and that's an awesome
explanation of it.
I mean, just like the littleboy that was swimming across the
pool, like, how many times dowe get halfway with something
and then start to panic, right,start to have self-doubt and
then decide to turn back whenyou're pretty much at the
halfway point?
It's the same distance to theother side, but we already know
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what the other side has.
So we go back to that side,right, and even even like more,
so like what your example of youknow, I'm not ready.
You do this so well, you are X,you know I'm not that yet.
And it's like, a lot of timeswe compare ourselves to someone
that is already excellent oralready, you know, has been
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doing it for years, and developthe skills you know to be that
next level, and we compare themto what is supposed to be base
level, right, and I'm not atthat your level, so I'm not
ready.
It's like, look, my level isn'treadiness, my level is past
that, right, and you have to.
You have to like kind of shiftyour mind, because a lot of
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entrepreneurs start to do thistoo.
From my, my experience of liketalking to different
entrepreneurs is you know,they'll compare themselves to
the Andy Vercela's, the ElonMusk's, the you know, you know
Bill Gates?
It's like those are one of fewentrepreneurs.
You are an entrepreneur.
Stop belittling your promotionof yourself.
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Entrepreneur is just a titleand you think that you're not an
entrepreneur.
You're not a business ownerbecause you're not at an Inc 500
level company, yet You're stilla business owner on paper.
So it's like what is theimposter syndrome?
What is that self-doubtingbelief really?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, and we all start somewhere.
Like people don't realize thatyou know Jeff Bezos was in his
garage, you know selling books,right.
Like they don't see that.
And if you look at some of theold pictures, he's there, he has
Honda and now he's on yachtsand private planes and things
like that.
People, they see the end result, the goal, right.
They don't see the journey.
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Many people, when it comes tolooking at a winner, they don't
look at the winner for all thelosses that became their
foundation.
It's just wow.
Look at all the money, look atall the confidence, look at all
this great stuff that I wish Ihad right now.
We live in this society, or thisworld, where immediate
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gratification is the essentialnecessity of everyone's life.
Or I want things now, I don'twant it later.
People who they start going tothe gym, for example, they will
stop after just a few monthsbecause they're not getting the
results, because they want itimmediately.
And the same thing is true inbusinesses.
The reason why 50% ofbusinesses fail within the first
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couple of months, if not years,is because they're not seeing
the results.
And if you ask any businessowner, they basically say or
good business owner.
They say, don't worry about theprofit, right.
Worry about the progress, right.
Worry about the change thatyou're going to be creating.
Whether it be helping peopleget in shape, maybe giving the
best clothes for people If youhave a clothing store, the best
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beauty products If you have abeauty healthcare line or
something along those lines withsupplements, you get to choose
your business right.
But as long as you're helpingpeople, it doesn't matter how
many people you're helping,because it's only going to be at
some point.
It might be five, 10, 15 yearsdown the road where you're going
to say, wow, like look at howfar we've come, right, because
before you might've just beenselling stuff to your family
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members, but now you're doingyour whole community and
eventually it's going to be thenation, maybe even the world
after that?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, a hundred percent .
And, like you said, I tellpeople the same thing.
It's like no one really seesthe graveyard of mistakes and
failures along the journey.
They just see that tip of theiceberg and you're comparing
your journey to someone's tip oftheir iceberg.
It's like Elon Musk, forexample, had PayPal, he had X,
he had all these differentthings, and people just
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acknowledge him for the onething, the biggest thing and
people just acknowledge them forthe one thing, the biggest
thing.
And it's like I think mostbusiness owners have a slew of
things that didn't work outbefore they found the thing that
worked out.
And so just because you're notat that level yet doesn't mean
you can't get there.
You just need to keep going,build the skills and so forth,
and sometimes it doesn't workout, and that's okay.
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You try again.
You just step back up to theplate.
No one bats a thousand, but youcan't, you know, get a home run
if you don't step up to theplate.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Very, true and this idea of you know, like burn the
bridges or burn the ships orsomething like that, right,
there's two types of people inthis world people who like plans
and people who don't like plans.
Plan A people are like, hey, Ihave this one choice, this is
what it's going to be, right,and they push until they get it.
There's certain people who sayI have plan A, b, c, d, right,
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and if something doesn't work,let me switch right.
But then, if you think about it, right, if you do plan A for,
let's say, a couple of years,you already took the beating for
that plan A.
So now you can either use thatknowledge and that wisdom to
help you with plan B or to keepon taking that beating, maybe
for a little bit longer, to haveplan A work.
So it's just a different typeof thinking.
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And are you this type of personwho just wants to plan A, or are
you a person that likes to havea lot of contingencies?
And I'm not saying that we'regoing to be reckless.
I'm not saying we're going togo to the casino and we're going
to put all our money down andwe're going to just bet it on
one hand a blackjack orsomething like that.
Right, we're not being crazy.
Right, we are going to bepractical and we're going to do
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things in our own.
I guess you can say experience,right, so we know we have like
a level of experience forsomething, a knowledge base.
Then we know we can dosomething.
If I ask someone to tie yourshoe or like their shoe, they
could probably say, yeah, not aproblem.
If I ask you know most peopleto go to their fridge and get a
drink, they probably can do that.
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But if I ask you know myfour-year-old or my
four-month-old daughter to dothat, she can't do that yet.
Right.
So you have to figure out whatyou can do and then you start
there.
But then again you have to giveyourself the mindset which
person are you?
A person who likes to focus onone thing, or are you a person
that likes to focus on manythings?
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There's two types ofentrepreneurs that I found when
you know from working with thempeople who are just just hyper
focused on one thing, and peoplewho have a new LLC every single
month.
All right, those people havemultiple plans a, b, c, d right,
even though they want all theplans to work.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
But then there's going to be people who are
saying, hey, you know, like thisis my one thing, right, I'm
going to make sure this KFCworks, or whatever right, and I
think I mean there's a time andplace, I think, and and
obviously with I do agree,because with you know, launching
the franchise company andbringing franchisees on, I that
for me I'm the kind of personthat needs to burn the boats,
(33:51):
right, that's just.
I work best under pressure.
If I have contingencies, I willstart to get complacent, you
know, and for me I just knowthat that's just my mindset.
But I also tell people that'snot also for everyone.
If someone has a normal nine tofive and is looking to start a
business, it's like, look, youcan do that.
(34:12):
You can do your nine to fiveand then, from five to nine,
work on your business until it'smaking more money or makes
enough sense that you can quityour nine to five.
Then, you know, go for that.
For me, personally, I was like Icouldn't do that because the
whole time I'd be at the nine tofive.
I would just be thinking of thefive to nine, right, like I get
super hyper-focus, like you say, on one thing and that's all I
(34:34):
could think about.
You know, and that's noteveryone, um, but to, to that
it's like even someone thatburns the bridges, or even the
person that has all thedifferent llcs.
I think that there's a time andplace to differentiate and have
those contingencies, because ifyou have an llc, let's say,
(34:54):
every other week, every month,it's like are you putting enough
effort into the, into any ofthem, let alone one of them, to
make it actually work?
Or are you living life as, like, grass is always greener on the
other side and then the otherside and the other side?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, it goes to this Denzel Washington quote.
He says don't mistake movementfor progress.
And many people think that ifthey do a lot of things then
there must be doing somethingright?
Right, because they're nothaving busy time or or or wasted
time, they're not on theirphone scrolling or something
like that.
So the fact that they're doingsomething productive doesn't
mean that is going to beconducive to a thriving business
(35:31):
down the road.
Right?
So for that, I encourage peopleto get a mentor in the area or
the field where you're mostpassionate about passion.
Right, the key is passion thereis that you're most passionate
about passion.
Right, the key is passion thereis that you're most passionate
about right, not about the mostmoney yet, but the most passion,
because when you can dosomething you love, then you do
(35:52):
other things that can make youmoney.
The passion part is what keepsyou going.
You could have plan B to makeyou side money.
If you've got a fingerprintingbusiness.
You could have a trash company,a landscaping company.
Right?
Those things might not be yourpassions, but they are maybe
helping you have the lifestylethat you would like, right?
You want to go on morevacations.
You want to drive a certaintype of car, you want to live in
a certain neighborhood.
(36:12):
All of these things happenbecause of your other options,
but you did have a main focus.
So it's.
It's very similar to how maybeyou know guys and I'm not saying
you're this guy, I was this guyin high school, college you
have, you know, differentgirlfriends, right, you have
multiple girls, right, but youalways have a main girl, right,
(36:32):
and then eventually you getmarried.
You just have one right,because you can't afford to have
all of these distractions,because you have a family now
and you have businesses now,probably.
So you have to laser focus whattruly matters now, right,
because when you're 18, youdon't really have too much on
your plate, unless livingcircumstances and situations can
(36:55):
kind of depict that differentlyfor you.
But for most of these people,they have the world, they're
like all right, let me go outand party.
And this is why, around 2021,they go and they go party and
they go drink and they go do allthese things right.
And it's because they finallyget a taste of being an adult
and they don't necessarily knowwhat an adult truly means buy
(37:19):
alcohol or cigarettes or go towar or start a family or buy a
home or rent a car, if you are25 or older, you don't have to
pay a surcharge for it.
That is not what being an adultis.
You have to define that.
It's very similar to how youdefine success, and if you get
(37:40):
really clear and you do the work, you can do it today.
Define things right.
Just because my definition ofsuccess is me being financially
fit and my family beingprotected and provided for for
the next 20 years, hey, that'smy success.
But maybe that's not yoursuccess.
Maybe you want to spend as muchtime with your friends and your
(38:00):
loved ones and you live in arundown neighborhood and that
could be your success, right?
So just because I look at yoursuccess different and you look
at someone's success differently, it doesn't mean you're doing
it wrong, but there is a way todo it correctly and you don't
have to be inventing the wheelevery single time you want to do
something.
Find someone who has done it,get a mentor, a guide.
(38:23):
They're going to see all yourblind spots before you even do
it and you can mitigate so manyhardships and traumas and
challenges that you wouldn'teven have to deal with if you
just invested in your learningand your growth.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh, a hundred percent , and I agree with you.
And, yep, I was.
I was one of those guys, asunfortunate as it is.
So I get you on that.
I mean, as we wrap up, I'd liketo ask one final question, and
I love everything that we'vetalked about so far, so I'm
really interested to get yourtake on this.
Now, this is the legacy wallquestion.
(38:58):
Now, before I ask you thequestion, it's not a tombstone
right?
So, even though I say that somepeople still try to give me the
tombstone answer a tombstoneright.
So even though I say that somepeople still try to give me the
tombstone answer, this is theone message that you'd leave for
the up and coming generationsthat you've learned along your
life's journey.
What would your legacy wallmessage be?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well, it goes into the business.
The business that I created isRevin Concepts, and Revin is
just never backwards, and so theidea is never is just an option
, right?
So you always have the optionto push and progress or to stay
stagnant and to not even look upever again.
Right, you can be a personwho's forgotten in the, you know
(39:37):
, in the stance of time, or youcould be someone who's going to
echo in the stands of time,right, we can think of greats
George Washington, we couldthink of Abraham Lincoln, you
know presidents that are onmoney, right?
Money we use daily.
And you might ask well, you know, maybe I won't be a president
that's on money, but you can bean author, you can be a person
(39:57):
that has created impact in theirlife, and it's very similar to
a person planting a tree, forexample.
You don't plant a tree to enjoythe shade, you plant a tree for
your great great grandchildrento enjoy the shade.
And that's the idea of whatlegacy is the work that you do
is going to compound, maybe notin your time, but in your
generation's time.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I love that and I love the name of the company too
.
I didn't even think about that.
That's awesome, but no,honestly, that's an awesome
legacy wall thing and never isjust an option.
That is boom, that's a mic dropright there.
That's the first time.
I've actually heard someone saythat.
I love that.
Where can people connect withyou, learn more about your
(40:40):
company, learn more about whatyou got going on?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Easy enough Revenconceptscom I'm sure you're
going to throw that down in theshow notes so people don't have
to worry about spelling andalso at Reven Concepts.
On all of our socials.
We are everywhere where there'ssocial media.
You can tune in on YouTube,watch some of the clips or some
of the podcasts that we have.
Our podcast is Coaching in insession, if you want to hear a
(41:03):
bit of mindset from a differentend, and then also to tune into
Devin's episode that we have oncoaching in session, because he
was dropping some bombs theretoo.
So definitely tune into thatepisode, and I'm sure you're
going to pop that link alsoright down below for people to
tune in.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
That is right.
All those links will be downbelow, guys, Make sure you guys
check out you know Revanconcepts.
Make sure you guys check outhis show as well.
It is an awesome show.
And, of course, you know, checkout my episode with them.
Um, but you know, thank you somuch for taking the time out of
your day to to hop on themindset cafe.
We had an amazing conversationon your, your podcast, so it's
always great to run it back andand switch the chairs around, so
(41:42):
I do really appreciate it.
Truly a pleasure.
Thank you, David.
Make sure you guys share thisepisode with a friend.
Make sure you guys leave usthat five-star review.
It helps us get the message outto more people like yourself.
But make sure you guys sharethis episode with a friend that
is trying to better themselves.
Maybe they need help with theirmindset, but we appreciate you
for tuning in, we appreciate youfor continuing your growth
(42:04):
journey and until next time,guys.
See you guys later.
No negative vibes, only positivethoughts.
Just in the game of life.
My set calls the shots, Got mymind on the prize.
I can't be distracted.
I stay on my grind.
No time to be slacky.
I hustle harder, I go againstthe curve, Because I know my
mind is rich to be collected.
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