January 11, 2024 • 59 mins
Join us as we navigate through the intricate dance of the mind and body, where the concept of 'somatic' in yoga really starts to unravel. We're dissecting the buzzword of the moment and debating whether it's just another fad or a transformative evolution of traditional yoga. With a spotlight on pandiculation—a fascinating three-step somatic technique—we're revealing how this practice might just be the key to unlocking a whole new level of muscle relaxation and emotional healing within your yoga routine.
Ever had a health scare that sent you spiraling down the internet rabbit hole, only to end up more confused than when you started? Yeah, us too. This episode isn't just about yoga; it's a hearty blend of personal mishaps and triumphs, the influence of technology on our health decisions, and, of course, a dose of dog-induced happiness. As we reflect on our own lives, including a humorous bear encounter and our transformation into seasoned mountain dwellers, you'll find yourself laughing along and perhaps seeing your own life reflected in our quirky stories.
Wrapping up, we turn introspective, sharing how yoga can be a catalyst for personal growth and an unexpected mirror for life's challenges. A candid recount of a yoga class interaction opens up a discussion about sensitivity, assumptions, and the potency of language, reminding us all to meet people where they are. Whether you're here for the deep insights or the simple joy of a dog-naming mix-up, this episode is a tapestry of life's rich experiences, all wrapped up with aspirations for what's to come on our podcast journey. Grab your mat, your sense of humor, and maybe even your dog, and let's get into it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two microphones and make the phone call gas.
Two microphones and you makethe phone call gas, gas.
Hi, this is Joyce.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And this is Marybeth.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to the Modern Yoga podcast.
I almost wanted to say, Hi,this is a very nervous Joyce.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, don't be nervous, this is.
This is I'm on good behavior.
Joyce and I decided rather latein the game, to impromptu
record one more podcast episode,and Joyce is a busy woman.
So she said decide what we'regoing to talk about and I'll see
you in an hour.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And Marybeth is smiling from ear to ear, saying
it's safe.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is.
It's nothing.
I'm just trying to f with you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But there's a buzz where you know how I you know
how you know how I love abuzzword.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, is there any yoga related buzzword that's
been popping up in your socialmedia feeds?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Semantic yes, james is.
I don't know why.
I just winnied like a horsethere I think we should let you
something a couple months ago,saying oh really, I think I'd
set you an Instagram message.
Check your Instagram messages,but yes, it before.
(01:42):
It was really a buzzword whenit just started and I don't even
know that it's a buzzword, it'sjust somebody's paying a lot to
do somatic digital.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, we're in somatic, so I thought, if our
international podcast yogaloving audience is also seeing
somatic yoga quote unquote orsomatics, that we could delve
into it together.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So I just looked up the definition of somatic.
Have you done that?
I have.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
What did you get Embodied?
Or of the body which made methink of the Soma bra brand.
Right, Nice marketing, nicename.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
There I have also body, especially as distinct
from the mind, which is not yogaanymore.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, right, because you've separated them, but let's
see, that's why this is good toget into.
Isn't yoga a good place tobring those together?
So, also, other than the bracompany Soma Intimates, have you
ever had anything from Soma?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I don't know, but I hear that it's really good.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Have you?
Yeah, I do too, which meansprobably more expensive than I
would spend on a bra, which iswhy I haven't had these, I think
I could justify a businessexpense right there, right Right
.
We could try it Also.
Think of the word psychosomaticillness.
Ah right, so we're a physicalsituation is caused by a mental
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or emotional situation.
Yes, we kind of tend to think.
I think psychosomatic, asyou're making things up, but
that's more, that's a differentword, that's hypokondriac.
Psychosomatic is maybe hivesbrought on by stress or various
(03:44):
things that are actual physicalexperience caused by something
not physical.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You nailed it.
So Google says nailed it.
Cause are aggravated by amental factor such as internal
conflict or stress, and Soma ishaving their semi-annual sale up
to 70% off, and now we're bothgoing to get not only all the
somatic yoga ads, but the Somayes, soma Darry's not listening.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, not at all, and actually Soma is a word that
Jeff says a lot.
Really I don't know if yourhusband does any baby talk or
weird shit.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Weird shit, for sure.
No, baby talks.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So Soma, for Jeff Twirty is equal to love you so
much, soma.
Oh, whether he's saying it to apet, a child, or to his wife,
is it Sumo wrestler?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Soma Right, and he he wear one of those, forget it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, he came close the year for Halloween that he
dressed as me Need more yogaleggings.
That was.
That was enough.
It was enough to last me for afew years.
So so then people who areconnecting, uh, somatics and
(05:11):
yoga are talking aboutintegrating again.
So yoga is already integratingbody, mind, breath.
But then the idea there isintegrating somatics into your
yoga practice.
So what does somatics reallymean?
(05:33):
Is a practice like a field.
I looked that up a little bittoo.
So it's a field of body workthat focuses on perceptions and
physical sensations.
So noticing a frozen shoulder,a tight hips and developing the
(06:01):
idea that that might be fromfreeze or fight or flight, like
a trauma response.
But we're doing that or we are.
So you're right, you're, you'rewalking down the path with me.
So then the next step is I'mskipping Is why is somatic just
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different than yoga?
And wait, I have this on my onmy computer here.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is it?
Is it noticing my, your frozenshoulder and thinking is this in
my head?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, no, I think it's actually um, and even not
even just emotional trauma, butlet's say that, um, you know,
you had a bad knee and so nowyou walk differently, you have a
different pattern because of aninjury or um.
So there's other reasons too.
But so in somatics not notnecessarily somatic yoga,
(07:02):
although the same the focusisn't on flexibility or strength
or alignment, although they arebyproducts, rather focusing on,
uh, like, like here is this and, like you said, this is yoga.
Here is a safe place tomindfully explore why this is a
(07:24):
situation for me.
And so somatics somatics, inthe absence of the word yoga
apparently use a process, athree step process, called
panviculation.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That sounds like a Dave Hoffman word.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I bet Dave Hoffman would love this.
And so, allegedly, that's athree step process used within
somatics to release thosechronically tight muscles to
allow for some more movement.
And so then the question is,what are those three things?
This I'm getting from a totalsomaticscom website and then the
(08:11):
brains magazinecom website, sothe three steps, and then we
could talk about how this may ormay not relate to a regular
yoga practice and why it mightbe called a somatic yoga
practice.
Step one is voluntarycontraction, step two is slow
release and step three isintegration, complete relax and
(08:35):
rest, where we have sensory andmotor systems to combine again
and have common ground.
Okay, I chose the topic.
Now you talk.
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, how is it different than I mean?
It's those three specific steps, but we're kind of doing that
right.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, for pandiculation to resolve or to
use somatic.
So nobody said that somaticyoga uses those three steps.
So I guess here we are, andthat's why I brought it up like
buzzword.
So where does a buzzword becomeLike?
Who did this?
Something that we adopt andright?
(09:15):
Is somatic yoga really somaticsat all?
And if practitioners have beenusing somatics to heal, how do
they feel about all of a suddenthere being somatic yoga?
And maybe they feel good aboutit?
But I think it's just a thingto start talking about, because
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it is, and like everything else,when there is a buzzword or a
new thing, it does get allwatered down.
So is it sufficient to saythat's already what we're doing
in yoga or do we need to thinkof those three specific, for
example, yin yoga.
Some people think yin yoga isjust it's slower, you're on the
floor, but that's not true.
(09:59):
There are yin principles thatmake it yin yoga or not yin yoga
, or restorative yoga, or right,it's different, it's not.
You can't just call it yin yoga,because you're in a half pigeon
for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right, like my slow burn on Sunday is not yin.
Sometimes people go oh, that'svery similar, no, no, no, it's
not.
We might hold hip openerslonger or shoulder openers
longer, and that may.
There's a, those can be inposes, but your warrior one and
all your bouncing poses, rightyeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And so if you're really delve into yin, I mean
lots of times it's more lowerbody than upper body, but still
the principles are not the same.
And so my fear is that we'llstart.
You know we as yoga teachers,incorporate lots of other wisdom
from other fields.
Right, there's things you learnin weightlifting or CrossFit or
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yin or Holadis, and to learnand borrow things from somatics,
I think is okay.
But to call it somatics orsomatic yoga it's like you and I
have talked about with yogatherapy, which is a whole nother
subject for a longer podcastday, and so it's a wonderful
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place to mine M I N E for formore stuff.
But it's also dangerous to tolike water it down and turn
everything into something yoga.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Right.
I just looked up what issomatic yoga and one of the
first answers I get is somaticyoga combines somatics, a
movement practice concerned withhow things feel from within,
with yoga.
Somatics was developed byThomas Hannah in the 1970s.
It helps retrain the brain toallow muscles to fully, or to
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relax fully and go back intotheir natural state.
On doing habitual, learnedmovement patterns that can lead
to pain, I thought it soundslike there are things there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
but we do that aren't good for us, just naturally
Right.
So this is talking about goingback to undoing or unlearning,
or unperforming those patterns.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So the next question that kind of comes up in this is
what are somatic exercises?
Somatic exercises involveperforming movement for the sake
of movement.
Throughout the exercise, youfocus on your inner experience
as you move and expand yourinternal awareness.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And so I'm getting by Googling somatics that are not
yoga.
Or how is somatic differentfrom yoga?
Somatic exercises are performedslowly and are mostly floor
based, so you're not having tohold up your body.
So now some people could arguethat as a one liner from Yin as
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well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm very confused about this, like there's not a
specific here.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Right From yoga anytimecom.
Yoga is a somatic practice, butoften it is offered in practice
in a way that doesn't lead toembodiment.
Rather than feeling andexperiencing ourselves, we may
be letting someone tell us howto move and then we do the
movement without actuallyfeeling it.
So I guess what we, at least atmodern yoga, have done, have
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tried to do is encouragesomatics.
While we didn't use the word,we've tried to illuminate and
encourage the idea of somatics.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So does that mean you're going to do yoga in
lingerie and we can use it onour ads?
Because I'm pretty sure that's.
Or maybe I'm thinking of thebroad place, the broad place.
But I think that the somaticyoga ads are a little seductive.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh well, yeah, they are, because they want you to
spend a lot of money on a sexybra.
Did I ever tell you my onlysexy bra that I ever owned?
Story.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Is it the one?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
This isn't sausage right, this is not sausage.
Sausage was the furthest thingfrom sexy.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No, what is your only sexy bra story?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So this was right after I lost all the big weight
in 19,.
This would have been like 1997,when I lost like 60 pounds
taking the now illegal drugcombination of Fen Fen.
I was working downtown at thetime, walking to lunch with a
friend of mine and wearingsomething office business like,
(14:43):
but just something I never couldhave believed I could have worn
.
I was.
I was pretty small at thatpoint, probably 15 pounds less
than I am right now, and it wasthe color of Hawaiian punch, a
cute little two piece suit,sleeveless skirt to the knee,
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and walking downtown near publicsquare.
And you know, maybe you knowtoo your mind doesn't really
catch up to you losing weight,right, you still feel like the
fat girl, even though you gotdressed that morning and, aside
six or eight or whatever it was,it still doesn't register.
Speaking of mind, bodyconnection or lack thereof, and
(15:30):
like a five foot four Italiandude driving a giant cement
mixer, stopped his cement mixerin the middle of the road, got
out of the driver's seat, fellto his knees and proposed to me.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Oh well, that's right out of movie.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I was married at the time.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I was married and he didn't meet my hair requirement.
But, holy crap, yeah, like outof a movie.
So that night, walking back towhere my car was parked, which I
think was Tower City, do youremember when Tower City still
had lots of stores andVictoria's Secret was one of
them?
Yeah, and I bought a superexpensive burgundy velvet bra
(16:17):
and matching.
I can't say panty, I don't likethe word panty, I've never been
the size of a person to saypanty, so I'm just going to say
underwear or, as in 16 candles,underpants.
But anyway, did I wear that formy husband to see at the time?
No, it was totally just for me.
(16:38):
But that was literally the onlytime I've spent decent money.
You still have that, no, no,that didn't make some of the
various moves of my life.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And so that expensive fancy bra was probably
something that would really notmake sense under any any clothes
.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh yeah, Velvet works great under clothes, right
Right Like here.
Let me just hitch my t-shirt tosome Velcro.
Yeah, that's funny Velcro andvelvet have the same root
there's two letters yeah vel.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Velvet Velcro Three letters.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Great First thing.
So that's why you're going tostart to get sexy ads now.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, gosh Velvet Velcro Velvet.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Velcro and soma.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Velvet bras and velcro shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Now here's interesting from
totalsomaticscom.
How does pandiculation work?
And this is the method,allegedly, that somatics uses A
pandiculation contracts andreleases muscles in such a way
that the gamma loop, a feedbackloop in our nervous system that
regulates the level of tensionin our muscles, is naturally
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reset.
This resetting reduces musculartension and restores conscious,
voluntary control over ourmuscles.
So here this is starting tosound like a more scientific
method for somatics than takingthe sensibility of somatics back
into your yoga practice.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I just looked up a calculation and I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm trying to have us not like bastardize something
that exists scientifically.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Pandiculation is the involuntary stretching of the
soft tissues which occurs inmost animal species and is
associated with transitionsbetween cyclic biological
behaviors, especially the sleepwake rhythm.
So there you go.
What is involuntary stretchingis that when somebody sits on
your back in child's pose, Well,that's a good question.
(18:44):
I mean there's a new place inthe area called the stretch lab,
but I don't think they'retalking about pandiculation.
They might be.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Let's see Also in totalsomatics.
The reason pandiculationcreates immediate results is
because we're accessing thesensory motor portion of your
brain which is the boss overyour muscle length, tone and
coordination.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Okay, so what have you learned?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I've learned that.
So a year ago, when I finishedmy 500 hour, it makes me want to
go back and look at if thereare starting to pop up new
offerings for continuingeducation in this field of
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somatic yoga.
Because here we are talkingabout it, you know, we and or
others are going to be thinkingof it in class, using it when it
seems appropriate.
(19:59):
I don't know how to make youbig again, joyce.
There we go.
Joyce was small on my screen,so it's not simply relaxing or
stretching a muscle, but tryingto reprogram why that muscle is
tight, using not just the bodybut accessing the mind, so that
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you're not constantly moving inthat freeze or fight or flight
that you might be for so manyreasons.
I mean, we all have a differentgait and a different posture.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
For all these reasons , but it's like the initial
thing, or at least when I lookedit up.
The definition of somatic isrelating to the body as distinct
from the mind, so it's like.
But what you're actually doingis reprogramming the body and
the mind because there is noseparation.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, I guess I guess carving out which is which
I mean.
If that's what they mean byseparating, I mean listen.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
This goes back to why people cry.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You can become our somatic expert.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What we're saying is why people cry in hip openers or
heart openers?
Because a lot of us go aroundwith our legs closed.
It's me Now, with our legscrossed or their shoulders
hunched, our arms crossed overus either that body language or
that actual protective shell.
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And so in a yoga practice, ifyou've cultivated on your mat
and we have in the room a safe,calm place to explore that and
notice how you feel, so thenthere's the connection to your
mind and emotions and memoriesand reasons for some of those
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patterns, which is a lot ofcircular talking.
We really haven't said much,which is my whole reason for
wanting to discuss this today.
My left butt cheek is asleepbecause I'm sitting on the floor
in my closet.
Let's explore this.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was in Mel's class last night.
She taught such a great class,but in hip openers I decided to
take soup in a thoracic spinesupported back band, so I had
that block underneath my ribcage so my head was down, my
butt was down, but my knees wereopen and I put my arms up above
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my head, which sometimes feelsreally good.
I'm on the floor, obviously,and very, very slowly my fingers
started to become numb.
And it started working up myarms and I was like, well, this
is interesting.
Like where is this?
This obviously is in mythoracic spine vertebrae
(23:02):
somewhere, something'sconstricted, yeah.
But it felt like I don't know.
It felt like sparkly stars justgetting more sparkly, and I
brought my hands you are asparkly star.
Thank you, my.
Beth I brought my hands back tothe floor and played with palms
up, palms down, like shavasana,and it went away.
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James is closing the door, I'mtoo loud.
And then I put him in.
That sensation was so cool,like it felt so good for it to
become numb.
Right, lock me out, dude.
You meditating?
Yeah, dude, I'm messing up hismeditation.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Now you're becoming James by saying dude Close.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I know Well, that's why I said it to him.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Your husband's closing the door.
My husband's opening the door.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
He's trying to lock me in.
He's trying to pull things infront of the door to keep it
closed.
As he's trying to close it oh,I think he's because both dogs
are in here.
Maybe or maybe I'm just tooloud.
Anyhow, then I took my armsafter, like, the numbness went
away and it wasn't like terrible.
So you know how sometimes whensomething falls asleep like you,
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have to wait a long time foryou to get it.
It wasn't there.
But I put my arms back over myhead and it didn't.
It didn't do it again, and so Itried to switch positions to
find like, well, where did theywhat?
And so I was, just.
I don't know what happened, butit was very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So that's interesting .
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So maybe, yeah, that's interesting, maybe I did
the three step process anddidn't even know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Didn't even realize it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But I did also realize, or I felt when, when we
did, she called a couple ofbridges and I did wheel on the
last one, just because myshoulders and my arms have been
feeling better from that falland and all the dumb things that
have happened to my hands, andI just want to keep that range
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of motion and keep feeding it.
But my, what I noticed was thatmy thoracic spine felt really
compressed, like, like I wasn'tgetting as much stretch as I
could out of it and or as Inormally do, and it wasn't my
shoulders, it wasn't my low back, it was literally right in the
middle.
So then that makes sense nowthat I'm talking through it.
Well, kind of.
(25:27):
And then a few minutes later,when I was in a supported
thoracic, supported bridge withI don't know if the hip opener
made a difference in that, youknow, but all that happened.
And here I am, I'll figure itout, I'm figuring my, I'm doing
somatic work, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, and you're making me think of our, our
physical therapist friends youknow Amy and Carrie and stuff
and how, what they have to sayabout this and if this is
entering into continuingeducation for the more medical
side Right.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I'm sure both of them will be like well, this
is what happened, you know, likethey wouldn't be sitting here
wondering with me.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but you know this.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Carrie would be like.
Let me start with your liver.
I'll fix it Because she'samazing and yeah but yeah, it
would so, but I feel like.
So I told you I did thefunction health thing and then
I'm also doing the cardiac graymatters thing in a few days.
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And then I also learned youstill have gray matter, maybe a
little.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then I learned that UH, specifically Southwest,
has a calcium score test thatyou can go for, like bone
density and whatever, while you,while you look that up, because
then we'll go down that road.
Before I even was thinkingabout the somatic thing, I was
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here in the mountains.
I was.
I've been doing more yoga thistrip than last trip, but
yesterday in particular I didn'tfollow any teacher, I was just
doing my own practice and, forwhatever reason, what came to me
was to sit, sit with every posejust until the next one, and it
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was really good.
It really like reminded me thatwe as teachers, sometimes well,
especially slow flow is morethe place for this.
You know, in power there's,there's a little more of an, an
urge and a necessity to movefaster, but or move on to the
next thing.
One breath, one movement, buteven two breaths, one movement,
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three breaths, one movement, 10breaths, one movement.
Sticking with something feltreally good, something just
simple, like a seated forwardfold and really staying there
until your mind stops and yourlow back relaxes and you can
soften your knees and unclenchyour teeth, and then it all
starts like it's just back tobase six.
But it was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, the reason I'm talking about.
I think we're all talking.
We're talking about the samething, like I'm just getting to
know myself better from adifferent perspective, right?
I don't feel like I'm doingthis as I would in traditional
healthcare.
Not checking in for the sake oflike, oh, I have to get my
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yearly physical, whatever.
It's more of me taking controlover, like I want to know what I
want to know and figure outwhat I want to do with it from
there, instead of you know, butgetting more of the facts and
making my own decisions about it, and I just see that filtering
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through.
I mean that's, I don't know.
I guess maybe I'm taking myyoga practice off the mat into
my medical world Now, which ispartly our age.
Now, paul can't get out of theroom, excuse me, Right Now he's
trapped, yeah, which is partlyour age.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean, you start to realize the urgency of some
things and then, because of youryoga practice, we do also start
to realize the hand that wehave in our own health.
But I do think the age hassomething to do with it.
We're starting to feel things,or see people, or know people
(29:32):
with stuff, and so it's you'remore motivated to take it into
your hands than when you're 20and you just ignore anything
your body's telling you, becauseyou have your whole life ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think it's different, though, because this
stuff wasn't necessarilyavailable back then, you know,
yeah, because healthcare was somuch better financially.
But I think where it's at rightnow, because healthcare is so
f'd up and there is the demandfor people to have these tools,
(30:02):
to get more information and takecontrol I mean, we're in the
age of information, right.
So like when you, when youdon't how long has it been since
?
When you don't feel good, youjust Google it and that drives
doctors nuts, right, doctorscrazy, yeah, but like Tiffany
Luccarelli, right, as soon asshe saw her nipple or whatever,
(30:23):
and it was like clay, she saidthere were only a few days
between that and her appointmentand she knew, she knew exactly
what she had.
She went to the doctor anddidn't really learn anything,
right, it confirmed what shelearned about herself.
So it's like I wish so, like Idon't know.
I just I hate the word agebecause I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well, not even, not even our, not even just our age,
let's not even, but the time inour lives, but also for the age
that you and I are and I'm alittle older than you our like
childhood age, because oftechnology and you know, the
host industry, a revolution, allthose things.
(31:07):
We were bad and breathed themost unhealthy, everything Like
we were raised on thoseconvenience foods which our moms
and grandmas were like this isso great, we don't have to make
our own pancake batter, and wedid.
(31:28):
You know, like that, that, thatNetflix documentary James and I
were talking about, like thereason that it's okay for for
these old ladies in somewhere inMexico to eat all these
tortillas are because they'regrinding the corn and they're
squatting and making thetortillas, and then it's so much
different.
But we were fed everythingconvenient which now we know is
(31:52):
had poisoned our bodies, ourwhole lives, and we were of the
age or the time where it waslike you don't really have to
think about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You just trust in the doctor.
Do what the doctor says, takethe pill, come back in three
months or six months or a yearor whatever, and don't even and,
like it's, don't talk backdon't ask questions.
Right.
I just want to say that Iopened the door and cult.
That's not all the way up inthe cult he's hearing his name.
(32:23):
He's like what?
Um, he is.
That's all he wanted.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He didn't he's not gone.
Didn't want the door closed.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He didn't want the door closed.
He didn't.
Maybe he felt a little trapped,or something like this.
The small room is a big cage.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Or like why?
Why did we shut the door?
So he wanted it open.
He wants to be able to see andbreathe, and yeah, he's got that
door, Chloe's got the window.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm nice and safe here upstairs and in this little
room but that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There have been a lot of dogs in Buck and Bear, the
Chordy cabin.
Really, yes, we've.
We decided from the get go thatwe would be dog friendly
because our family and friendsthat have dogs.
We want them to come and see us.
Not, oh, I can't.
I can't do anything with my dogthat week.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Dogs may love it up there.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So our kid one, one of our kids brought, brought his
dog for Christmas time.
That was Chance.
That was last month.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But then um.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Chance is a chance.
Chance is a found in theirneighborhood.
Um, looks like maybe some shelltea in there, like a nice,
mid-sized, great, great dog.
But they just found himwandering, kept him for a few
weeks, checked to see if he wasmicrochipped.
Uh, went on all the socialmedia pages.
(33:44):
Nobody claimed him.
They think he was dumpedbecause he was healthy and happy
.
I don't know how he was, hewasn't dirty, he wasn't starving
, but anyway he's got a.
So they took him, had himneutered and now his name is
Chance.
But then we've run into.
So we have a neighbor here at aanother property who has the
dog named Duke that was visiting, came in laid on my couch last
(34:06):
week and then another.
We met some more neighbors andby neighbors this is some of the
things you might be with them.
I'm thinking like a 30 minute,yeah, 30 minute walk, duke.
Well, they're, they went toDuke oh University, so, um, so a
neighbor means like within a 30or 40 minute walk.
So we saw another couplewalking their two dogs, nipples
(34:30):
which not nipples with P, butnipples with an F, which I
assume is a derivative ofsniffles I didn't really ask
kind of a bulldoggy mix kind ofthing, and diva, a tiny little
diva girl.
And then our other neighbor whojust came back into town today,
has a dog named Apollo, whoJeff insists on calling rocket.
(34:52):
But anyway, my point is,there's been a lot of animals
here for somebody.
Jeff Twerty claims to not be adog or animal lover, but he's
the one that does all the babytalk.
Oh, joyce, did you bark?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
No, Uh, he's.
He's responding to your talkabout dogs.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Oh, I didn't say W-A-L-K, which is good, did I?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Uh no, I mean aside from the 30 to 40 minute to your
neighbors, but not not youdidn't say so that same neighbor
whose names we got for thefirst time.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's what you do here you exchange names and
numbers.
And here's why the very nextday or a couple days later, he
called us because they were backout of town and his smoke alarm
or fire alarm here, his likesimply safe was going off.
So we had to drive down to hisproperty and check things out
and everything was fine.
But even better than that is,he showed us a video that he
(35:59):
took in these last couple yearsfrom his simply safe that he
saved where in the dark of thenight.
I will send it to you.
Guess what he saw.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A bear.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
A bear?
Oh, we haven't seen or heardabout any bears here.
Like there's a lot of deer,there's wild turkeys, there's
all the other animals.
But you say, obviously, youknow a bear is possible.
You're in the mountains ofNorth Carolina, but I'll send
you.
It's the cutest video.
They have kind of a clotheslinehanging, like a wire hanging,
with a bunch of bird feeders onit, which is cool and that's
(36:35):
what you'll see in this videothat the bear was was reaching
for.
So I will text that to you,right?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
now.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I'll also send you neighbor dog Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm sending you the photo of me with your podcasting
with you, oh, you know, becausethat makes for a good podcast.
How did you get that?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
picture James, James, just oh, I was like how am I
seeing you?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, james sent it on a chat.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh, james.
So we have a grill outside onthe deck here, as many people do
, and when we were here lastmonth we bought a grill cover,
covered the grill.
Recovering the grill aftercooking is something that Jeff
Twirty doesn't really everremember to do, and at home I
(37:43):
finally just said I'm going tostop nagging and just do it, my
freaking self.
So eventually I covered thegrill, wiped things off here.
I didn't quite get into thatmental space.
So before we left here lasttime Jeff was like where's the
grill cover?
Like not my turn to watch it.
So we think during a wind stormit just flew away like a sail.
So we ordered another grillcover covered the grill.
(38:06):
Amazon brought it.
And then he's looking down overthe mountain view one day and
he's like that's my grill cover,oh my God.
So he climbed his way down, gothis grill cover hosted off.
Now he's using that one tocover the ladder in the basement
.
But just this morning we hadour friend Dylan over for dinner
(38:26):
last night, used the grill andjust this morning I'm still in
bed and I hear Jeff say oh shit.
And he looks out and it's windyhere this morning.
We're having a weather changeand the grill cover is flying
away again, so he had to gorescue it, put it securely on
the grill and all as well.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Mountain for today Right Right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
We used to be first world problems.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Now it's first world mountain problems.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Listen, I went to the store day before yesterday and
I get out, I step out into theparking lot and I said I am
wearing overalls, I'm steppingout of a truck, I just took
garbage out of the bed of mytruck and I have a tape measure
in my purse.
What the hell has happened tome?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like, so your overalls are too cute.
And okay, so you have trash inthe bed of your truck, but your
truck is a new truck.
It's not like you're in aSanford and Sun truck, in a pair
of beat up old overalls and youhave dirt on your face Yet.
Yet.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I'm carrying around like a blade and a tape measure
and a shoes.
Were you?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
wearing.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Triton sneakers.
Also, the guy that we just metwith the bear video, for one
thing, mountain Mary, such anidiot.
So they're walking past andwaved and I'm like come in, come
in, come in and say hello, likewhere do you do that?
But here in the mountains youdo you invite strangers in?
And as he's crossing mythreshold he said I have a
(40:03):
sidearm, is that okay?
I'm like sure, bring yoursidearm in.
But literally everybody, evenour friend Dylan last night, was
like do you guys have a shotgunup here?
Like what about a bear?
And we're like we knew the restof every touch to gun.
And I'm like I have a macheteand a knife and Dylan's like
yeah, did you see that storyabout the guy who like stabbed a
(40:25):
bear like nine times andnothing even happened and now
he's dead?
I was like I don't really wantto talk about that.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Have you ever shot a gun?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Have I asked you this .
Speaker 2 (40:35):
We may have talked about it before.
I have not shot a gun.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Monday for Father's Day probably like.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Oh, I do remember.
This is where you're in June,yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Because I had, I think, my, because I drove my
Mini Cooper Countryman and itwas one of the first times I
could actually drive people.
And we went to, we took my dadfor Father's Day out to to
arrange in Geogha County, whichI'd never been to arrange, and
it was not what I expected.
It was just a big open fieldwhere people shot shit, clay
(41:09):
pigeons Excellent, right, that.
Yeah, that's where we.
We got some clay pigeons andand I, we, we got the cheap
thing that you just fling, likeyou're throwing it because we we
don't do this right, like we'renot going to invest in like
fancy stuff, and I, I flung itand it hit James and I, my mom
(41:36):
and I were laughing so hard.
We were crying and my dad wasall happy that we weren't
laughing at him because whateverhad him for a change, yeah, but
James.
That was the first time I evershot a shotgun, or ever shot any
gun really, and I hit my veryfirst.
With my very first shot ever, Ihit the clay pigeon and then it
(41:58):
took me like 85 times to do itagain, but I didn't like it
which is even that sayssomething right.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like you probably weren't over focusing, you were
just like instinct, which isprobably good.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, so could I shoot a bear.
I guess my instinct is thatstrong.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
But well, that's why the friend was telling us.
You know, you could do birdshot instead of buckshot, and
then you probably wouldn't beable to accidentally kill each
other or yourself, and it wouldscare a bear away or injure him
enough.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And that was what was terrifying about having that in
my getting comfortable withthat shotgun.
It's just too, it's too muchand that's a big gun.
I can't even imagine howcomfortable it would be with.
You know something you couldslide in your purse and how many
(42:47):
?
Times you can eff it up and dothe wrong thing and like I just
uh-uh, sorry, like I I get.
I guess, like that you needprotection from bears, because
that's like a real thing.
Well, if.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I was camping, but theoretically I'm here, safe
within the walls of a structure.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
If a bear really wanted to get in your house, he
probably could, but the chancesof him really wanted to get in
are probably slow.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I would be more, I guess, if I was not walking or
hiking Right.
But honestly I'm probablyscrewed in that regard.
I'm not sure I would have thedecent presence of mind to do
the right thing anyway.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And that sort of dog would you know be a good thing.
But anyhow, we're going offinto we could go into complete
political conversation now, ohboy.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Let's do that, cause that's so fun Guns and yeah.
Um but yeah, I just didn't.
Lawyers guns and money.
There's a.
There's a good Warren Ziva andsong called.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Lawyers Guns and Money.
We started with with bras, bras.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Lawyers, guns, money.
It all started with Soma.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We could write a book about Lawyers Guns, bras, money
, mountains, trucks, overalls,there you get Southern.
Joyce Um.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I know you're.
I feel like I haven't seeny'all in a long time.
I'm headed home.
What's today?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
There's two homes now .
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Oh my goodness, I'll be teaching next, I'll be
teaching on Wednesday, which isless than a week from now, so
that's good.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, oh, wow, it has been a while since you've even
taught.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
It was two weeks again this trip.
It's weird, it's good, but it'sweird.
Is your mom's eye healed?
Well, I mean, I haven't seenher in two weeks, but yeah, I
think.
So I texted her this morningand my niece and her little kids
, who are still off school, arecoming over to my mom's for
(44:48):
lunch, so that's good.
Yeah, my niece, they went toschool right up till the 23rd,
so they are still off until nextweek, which she said.
Really she's a teacher as well.
So she said it really suckedthe week leading up to Christmas
, but now it's nice to have offa little later than everybody.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's tough because people have so much to do before
Christmas.
I guess maybe for kids are inschool, that's okay, but if
you're a teacher, maybe not,yeah, right up till the 23rd,
and you've got two, basicallyfive-year-old and a
three-year-old.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I got my physician's analysis from Function oh yeah,
we started talking about theblood results last episode, but
you didn't have a physician'sinterpretation.
What did they suggest you dowith your bad self?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I mean, I feel like it's not very personal but it is
.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Did they not call you by name?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Well, they're saying they're basically just giving
you data and informationaccording to your numbers, but
it's pretty in-depth.
It's probably well I mean, Idon't even know how to say how
long it is because it's online.
If it were on pages, I wouldthink, with maybe an eight or 10
(46:05):
font, it would be four or fivepages, but I so like my high
sensitivity C-reactive proteinwas elevated.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I keep hearing a lot about that C-reactive protein.
That's another.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This indicates there was an inflammatory process
detectable at the time of yourtest.
However, the level is not highenough to be considered for
clinical concern.
If you have suspectedinflammation, discuss with your
primary care provider and havethis recheck.
Your white blood cell count waslow could indicate increased
susceptibility infections Couldbe because of a recent infection
(46:42):
.
It should be repeated in amonth or so and then refer to
the foods and the supplementsthat could help increase it.
But like my, I mean it's reallygood information.
It's kind of like nothing isglaring.
(47:03):
So the LDL thing they even sayon here that I should get that
down, but my overall cholesterolis okay.
But the scary part of small andmedium is that's the stuff that
causes problems.
But then I learned throughSusie, through her sister, Amy
that you mentioned had somethingsimilar done, or perhaps the
(47:23):
same thing that LDL and estrogenhave a lot to do with each
other, and women in menopause orperimenopause who have lowering
estrogen levels, that lowerestrogen levels will raise
cholesterol, and so there's thethumb.
So then we're just screwed aswomen, Like you were saying
(47:45):
before the podcast, we have onefunction in life.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, biologically, which actually is mad as it
makes us, and as much control aswe want to take over it.
I mean, there is that beautifullife cycle.
Every different organism has adifferent purpose, and the
female human.
Well, we are human, so we haveother purposes as well.
(48:11):
But the female of any speciesis to give birth, reproduce and
die off, and then, when youcan't do that anymore, you just
wither and die.
So we're like an old raisin.
Well, maybe that was the wrong,but anyway.
(48:32):
And beef jerky also not what Iwant to say, but anyway you know
what I mean.
Really, biologically, we'reborn, we grow, we decay and
decline and die.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay, so we're really specific about women, right,
and so hormone replacementtherapy obviously has some risks
, and if you take estrogen andprogesterone, one of the side
effects is that your skinbecomes really crepey.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
And crepe erase doesn't work.
I used that bottom of thebottle.
Guarantee.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's Jane Seymour lied to all of us.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I did.
That's the only time I've everdone that.
I suck at doing returningthings, but I was like damn it.
You promised me crepe free arms.
Dr Quinn, medicine woman.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And so it increases your.
What is it like?
Uterine cancer risk orsomething like that, something
down there?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Or breast cancer as well.
I mean estrogen is, you know,our bone density, our lots of
like.
Estrogen affects lots of thingsmental.
When you just stop producingestrogen, it's a dozen number on
the body.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
So my stepdaughter today, ashley, was like so would
you rather you have to pickyour or pick your point?
Pick your path.
Do you want cancer or heartdisease?
I was like huh.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I think I agree with heart disease.
Yeah, cancer is, can be soobnoxious, and you know Jane's
I've been thinking a lot aboutcancer because you know Jane's a
really good friend who hadmultiple cancers herself.
Who's just a wonderful chickand she took care of all of
Jane's affairs.
(50:32):
Her sister died suddenly theother day.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And at the same time her son, who was diagnosed this
last year with lymphoma.
His illness, who which had beenbeing managed a little bit okay
with his first treatments, hasmutated now and he's in the
hospital very sick.
Eventually we'll need a bonemarrow transplant.
So, like that freaking cancerjust keeps punching some people.
(50:59):
It just keeps punching andpunching and punching personally
and their, their relatives, youknow, and that's.
It's just a lot like the sillyshit that we talk about with
being happy and sad andeverything all day.
Like people are strugglingtheir whole lives with cancer,
their whole lives, even if theysurvive it and manage it.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
You know, like that that also reminds me like you
just never know what people aredealing with, like you can make
these options, like we hadsomewhat of a.
I had a complaint aboutsomething that happened at the
studio and the person who wassort of in the center of it and
(51:46):
it wasn't nothing dramatic, itwas just some little annoying
thing.
I found out, sort of notdirectly, that this person had
somebody in one of her children,had a traumatic brain injury,
(52:08):
will probably always be in hercare and although her child, who
is a young adult, presents as anormal young adult isn't, how
(52:28):
do you know how that is going totake its toll on someone, as
you know that you're like ohyeah, this makes sense, that
person needs you to go, probably.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So the complainer or the person who was maybe a
little snitty was who you foundout was dealing with this.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, Well, that was who was being complained about.
Oh, I don't get a lot ofcomplaints, I really don't.
It was just more of thispassing like hey, have you
noticed?
And it was just like yeah, buthere's an opportunity for you to
stay in your practice.
Yeah, I mean, look at how youhandle distractions.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
And it's a good test of our practice because it's all
fun and social and we're atyoga, but yeah, think about
being next to somebody who's notfollowing or who's making
noises or using their phone orwhatever the situation, can you
support that person with yourown practice, not by joining
(53:44):
them on the phone or trying tomake louder noises, but just by
taking care?
Of yourself.
Back to the old phrase meetingpeople where they are Exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
We practice a lot of things at yoga.
It's just the poses, our tools,this flow is.
They're just tools to justreally.
Because if that's the reactionto, I'm not judging at all, but
I know this in myself.
I learned this in yoga, butit's that the way you do one
thing is the way you doeverything, and that was said
(54:22):
early on and I was very, veryinjured and I'm going heart all
out because I needed to showeverybody in the room that I can
do all this stuff.
And it's like why?
Because I go all out everywhere, I throw myself out there and
it just really opened my eyes tohow I was looking.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
And here's your one hour.
Here's your safe place to learnor to explore or to accept yes
or whatever.
And if that leads back to thetime and opportunity to do that
quote-unquote somatic stuff andrecognize the where and the why
(55:04):
of why are your shoulders tight?
Maybe there may not be a grandreason other than the way your
body's put together.
You were talking about a briefcomplaint.
I'm not even going to saycomplaint, but I handed out just
a chocolate truffle aroundChristmas time at the end of
class and sometimes, especiallypeople in yoga, tend to try and
(55:27):
be healthy, so sometimes I'll donuts or a kind bar or something
and stuff.
But it was Christmas, so I dida piece of candy and one woman
who practices so regularly withus and has a lovely practice
handed it back to me and shesaid I'll just give this back to
you.
And I unthink woo.
Joyce barked again.
I unthinkingly said oh, I wishI had your willpower.
(55:50):
And she laughed and she said,yeah, well, don't.
And you know it hit me like it'snot willpower, it's probably.
We know she has cancer.
She's been treated more thanonce for cancer.
She's not thin because she'snot eating chocolate, it's
because she's been treated forcancer and probably sugar is not
(56:10):
good for Fighting recurrence.
And so I was, you know, likesmacked back and she was lovely
about it, it wasn't that.
But I was like, yeah, mary Beth, you dumbass.
So I put an ornament next toher mat the next time Because I
had to overcompensate.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
But nobody did anything wrong either.
Like we tend to beat ourselvesup right, Like, yeah, you didn't
.
You're kind of like thinkingyou put your foot in your mouth,
but you didn't.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
No, and it was.
I'm grateful for it becauseit's just another reminder,
another place to learn and torecommit to respecting stuff.
It's like the time I saidjokingly said something about
not being able to see between mythighs and somebody approached
me after class whose daughterwas struggling with anorexia and
(57:08):
said you know, that was alittle triggering for me because
I would love for my daughter tonot be able to see between her
thighs.
So just opportunities to learnand, as you said, I didn't do
anything wrong.
Yeah, I never do, just ask me.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Right.
None of us do, though.
Well, I think you have.
We've gone over your time limit.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Oh, yes, well, I always built in a little buffer
with you because you and I don'tstop talking easily or quickly,
we use a lot of words.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
We take a lot of diversions.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
That rocket might be coming over.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Oh, but Jeff's not a dog guy.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
He's not, but he does love rocket.
I'll send you a picture of himand rocket too.
Whose name is Apollo, notrocket?
Not a clue why.
I think because he's a fastmoving little white dog.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, Apollo.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Right, right Rocket, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
I mean dogs understand that, right, apollo
wouldn't?
That's really cute.
It'd be like oh what a funnyguy.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
And Jeff will say to Apollo so mom.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, it's very nice to see you on the screen, Mary
Beth.
I look forward to seeing you inperson.
Yes, I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Thanks to everybody, which is not the same as see you
next.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Tuesday yeah, thanks everyone for listening.
If you could tell all yourfriends to listen and maybe give
us a review, a five star review, and follow us.
Don't give us less than a fivestar review, because we don't
want to.
Because we're going to dosomething big with this podcast.
We don't know what it is or howto do it, but it's got some
(58:59):
legs, it's got some momentum.
I've got legs.
I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
I'm going to have to be the legs.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Joyce Figured out in an hour to talk about soma and
somatic yoga, so maybe on yourdrive home you can figure out
how to make our podcast reallybig.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Okay, I'll work on that.
I'm not great with big ideas orbig follow through.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's all right, Like actually we're partners.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
All right, we're done .
See you next time.
Two microphones and make the phone call gas.
Two microphones and you makethe phone call gas, gas.
Hi, this is Joyce.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And this is Marybeth.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Welcome to the Modern Yoga podcast.
I almost wanted to say, Hi,this is a very nervous Joyce.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, don't be nervous, this is.
This is I'm on good behavior.
Joyce and I decided rather latein the game, to impromptu
record one more podcast episode,and Joyce is a busy woman.
So she said decide what we'regoing to talk about and I'll see
you in an hour.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And Marybeth is smiling from ear to ear, saying
it's safe.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It is.
It's nothing.
I'm just trying to f with you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But there's a buzz where you know how I you know
how you know how I love abuzzword.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, is there any yoga related buzzword that's
been popping up in your socialmedia feeds?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Semantic yes, james is.
I don't know why.
I just winnied like a horsethere I think we should let you
something a couple months ago,saying oh really, I think I'd
set you an Instagram message.
Check your Instagram messages,but yes, it before.
(01:42):
It was really a buzzword whenit just started and I don't even
know that it's a buzzword, it'sjust somebody's paying a lot to
do somatic digital.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, we're in somatic, so I thought, if our
international podcast yogaloving audience is also seeing
somatic yoga quote unquote orsomatics, that we could delve
into it together.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So I just looked up the definition of somatic.
Have you done that?
I have.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
What did you get Embodied?
Or of the body which made methink of the Soma bra brand.
Right, Nice marketing, nicename.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
There I have also body, especially as distinct
from the mind, which is not yogaanymore.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, right, because you've separated them, but let's
see, that's why this is good toget into.
Isn't yoga a good place tobring those together?
So, also, other than the bracompany Soma Intimates, have you
ever had anything from Soma?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I don't know, but I hear that it's really good.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Have you?
Yeah, I do too, which meansprobably more expensive than I
would spend on a bra, which iswhy I haven't had these, I think
I could justify a businessexpense right there, right Right
.
We could try it Also.
Think of the word psychosomaticillness.
Ah right, so we're a physicalsituation is caused by a mental
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or emotional situation.
Yes, we kind of tend to think.
I think psychosomatic, asyou're making things up, but
that's more, that's a differentword, that's hypokondriac.
Psychosomatic is maybe hivesbrought on by stress or various
(03:44):
things that are actual physicalexperience caused by something
not physical.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You nailed it.
So Google says nailed it.
Cause are aggravated by amental factor such as internal
conflict or stress, and Soma ishaving their semi-annual sale up
to 70% off, and now we're bothgoing to get not only all the
somatic yoga ads, but the Somayes, soma Darry's not listening.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, not at all, and actually Soma is a word that
Jeff says a lot.
Really I don't know if yourhusband does any baby talk or
weird shit.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Weird shit, for sure.
No, baby talks.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So Soma, for Jeff Twirty is equal to love you so
much, soma.
Oh, whether he's saying it to apet, a child, or to his wife,
is it Sumo wrestler?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Soma Right, and he he wear one of those, forget it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, he came close the year for Halloween that he
dressed as me Need more yogaleggings.
That was.
That was enough.
It was enough to last me for afew years.
So so then people who areconnecting, uh, somatics and
(05:11):
yoga are talking aboutintegrating again.
So yoga is already integratingbody, mind, breath.
But then the idea there isintegrating somatics into your
yoga practice.
So what does somatics reallymean?
(05:33):
Is a practice like a field.
I looked that up a little bittoo.
So it's a field of body workthat focuses on perceptions and
physical sensations.
So noticing a frozen shoulder,a tight hips and developing the
(06:01):
idea that that might be fromfreeze or fight or flight, like
a trauma response.
But we're doing that or we are.
So you're right, you're, you'rewalking down the path with me.
So then the next step is I'mskipping Is why is somatic just
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different than yoga?
And wait, I have this on my onmy computer here.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is it?
Is it noticing my, your frozenshoulder and thinking is this in
my head?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Well, no, I think it's actually um, and even not
even just emotional trauma, butlet's say that, um, you know,
you had a bad knee and so nowyou walk differently, you have a
different pattern because of aninjury or um.
So there's other reasons too.
But so in somatics not notnecessarily somatic yoga,
(07:02):
although the same the focusisn't on flexibility or strength
or alignment, although they arebyproducts, rather focusing on,
uh, like, like here is this and, like you said, this is yoga.
Here is a safe place tomindfully explore why this is a
(07:24):
situation for me.
And so somatics somatics, inthe absence of the word yoga
apparently use a process, athree step process, called
panviculation.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That sounds like a Dave Hoffman word.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I bet Dave Hoffman would love this.
And so, allegedly, that's athree step process used within
somatics to release thosechronically tight muscles to
allow for some more movement.
And so then the question is,what are those three things?
This I'm getting from a totalsomaticscom website and then the
(08:11):
brains magazinecom website, sothe three steps, and then we
could talk about how this may ormay not relate to a regular
yoga practice and why it mightbe called a somatic yoga
practice.
Step one is voluntarycontraction, step two is slow
release and step three isintegration, complete relax and
(08:35):
rest, where we have sensory andmotor systems to combine again
and have common ground.
Okay, I chose the topic.
Now you talk.
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, how is it different than I mean?
It's those three specific steps, but we're kind of doing that
right.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, for pandiculation to resolve or to
use somatic.
So nobody said that somaticyoga uses those three steps.
So I guess here we are, andthat's why I brought it up like
buzzword.
So where does a buzzword becomeLike?
Who did this?
Something that we adopt andright?
(09:15):
Is somatic yoga really somaticsat all?
And if practitioners have beenusing somatics to heal, how do
they feel about all of a suddenthere being somatic yoga?
And maybe they feel good aboutit?
But I think it's just a thingto start talking about, because
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it is, and like everything else,when there is a buzzword or a
new thing, it does get allwatered down.
So is it sufficient to saythat's already what we're doing
in yoga or do we need to thinkof those three specific, for
example, yin yoga.
Some people think yin yoga isjust it's slower, you're on the
floor, but that's not true.
(09:59):
There are yin principles thatmake it yin yoga or not yin yoga
, or restorative yoga, or right,it's different, it's not.
You can't just call it yin yoga,because you're in a half pigeon
for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right, like my slow burn on Sunday is not yin.
Sometimes people go oh, that'svery similar, no, no, no, it's
not.
We might hold hip openerslonger or shoulder openers
longer, and that may.
There's a, those can be inposes, but your warrior one and
all your bouncing poses, rightyeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And so if you're really delve into yin, I mean
lots of times it's more lowerbody than upper body, but still
the principles are not the same.
And so my fear is that we'llstart.
You know we as yoga teachers,incorporate lots of other wisdom
from other fields.
Right, there's things you learnin weightlifting or CrossFit or
(10:55):
yin or Holadis, and to learnand borrow things from somatics,
I think is okay.
But to call it somatics orsomatic yoga it's like you and I
have talked about with yogatherapy, which is a whole nother
subject for a longer podcastday, and so it's a wonderful
(11:18):
place to mine M I N E for formore stuff.
But it's also dangerous to tolike water it down and turn
everything into something yoga.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Right.
I just looked up what issomatic yoga and one of the
first answers I get is somaticyoga combines somatics, a
movement practice concerned withhow things feel from within,
with yoga.
Somatics was developed byThomas Hannah in the 1970s.
It helps retrain the brain toallow muscles to fully, or to
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relax fully and go back intotheir natural state.
On doing habitual, learnedmovement patterns that can lead
to pain, I thought it soundslike there are things there.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
but we do that aren't good for us, just naturally
Right.
So this is talking about goingback to undoing or unlearning,
or unperforming those patterns.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
So the next question that kind of comes up in this is
what are somatic exercises?
Somatic exercises involveperforming movement for the sake
of movement.
Throughout the exercise, youfocus on your inner experience
as you move and expand yourinternal awareness.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And so I'm getting by Googling somatics that are not
yoga.
Or how is somatic differentfrom yoga?
Somatic exercises are performedslowly and are mostly floor
based, so you're not having tohold up your body.
So now some people could arguethat as a one liner from Yin as
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well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm very confused about this, like there's not a
specific here.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Right From yoga anytimecom.
Yoga is a somatic practice, butoften it is offered in practice
in a way that doesn't lead toembodiment.
Rather than feeling andexperiencing ourselves, we may
be letting someone tell us howto move and then we do the
movement without actuallyfeeling it.
So I guess what we, at least atmodern yoga, have done, have
(13:32):
tried to do is encouragesomatics.
While we didn't use the word,we've tried to illuminate and
encourage the idea of somatics.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So does that mean you're going to do yoga in
lingerie and we can use it onour ads?
Because I'm pretty sure that's.
Or maybe I'm thinking of thebroad place, the broad place.
But I think that the somaticyoga ads are a little seductive.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Oh well, yeah, they are, because they want you to
spend a lot of money on a sexybra.
Did I ever tell you my onlysexy bra that I ever owned?
Story.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Is it the one?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
This isn't sausage right, this is not sausage.
Sausage was the furthest thingfrom sexy.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
No, what is your only sexy bra story?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So this was right after I lost all the big weight
in 19,.
This would have been like 1997,when I lost like 60 pounds
taking the now illegal drugcombination of Fen Fen.
I was working downtown at thetime, walking to lunch with a
friend of mine and wearingsomething office business like,
(14:43):
but just something I never couldhave believed I could have worn
.
I was.
I was pretty small at thatpoint, probably 15 pounds less
than I am right now, and it wasthe color of Hawaiian punch, a
cute little two piece suit,sleeveless skirt to the knee,
(15:08):
and walking downtown near publicsquare.
And you know, maybe you knowtoo your mind doesn't really
catch up to you losing weight,right, you still feel like the
fat girl, even though you gotdressed that morning and, aside
six or eight or whatever it was,it still doesn't register.
Speaking of mind, bodyconnection or lack thereof, and
(15:30):
like a five foot four Italiandude driving a giant cement
mixer, stopped his cement mixerin the middle of the road, got
out of the driver's seat, fellto his knees and proposed to me.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Oh well, that's right out of movie.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Seriously.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I was married at the time.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I was married and he didn't meet my hair requirement.
But, holy crap, yeah, like outof a movie.
So that night, walking back towhere my car was parked, which I
think was Tower City, do youremember when Tower City still
had lots of stores andVictoria's Secret was one of
them?
Yeah, and I bought a superexpensive burgundy velvet bra
(16:17):
and matching.
I can't say panty, I don't likethe word panty, I've never been
the size of a person to saypanty, so I'm just going to say
underwear or, as in 16 candles,underpants.
But anyway, did I wear that formy husband to see at the time?
No, it was totally just for me.
(16:38):
But that was literally the onlytime I've spent decent money.
You still have that, no, no,that didn't make some of the
various moves of my life.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And so that expensive fancy bra was probably
something that would really notmake sense under any any clothes
.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Oh yeah, Velvet works great under clothes, right
Right Like here.
Let me just hitch my t-shirt tosome Velcro.
Yeah, that's funny Velcro andvelvet have the same root
there's two letters yeah vel.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Velvet Velcro Three letters.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Great First thing.
So that's why you're going tostart to get sexy ads now.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, gosh Velvet Velcro Velvet.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Velcro and soma.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Velvet bras and velcro shoes.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Now here's interesting from
totalsomaticscom.
How does pandiculation work?
And this is the method,allegedly, that somatics uses A
pandiculation contracts andreleases muscles in such a way
that the gamma loop, a feedbackloop in our nervous system that
regulates the level of tensionin our muscles, is naturally
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reset.
This resetting reduces musculartension and restores conscious,
voluntary control over ourmuscles.
So here this is starting tosound like a more scientific
method for somatics than takingthe sensibility of somatics back
into your yoga practice.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I just looked up a calculation and I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm trying to have us not like bastardize something
that exists scientifically.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Pandiculation is the involuntary stretching of the
soft tissues which occurs inmost animal species and is
associated with transitionsbetween cyclic biological
behaviors, especially the sleepwake rhythm.
So there you go.
What is involuntary stretchingis that when somebody sits on
your back in child's pose, Well,that's a good question.
(18:44):
I mean there's a new place inthe area called the stretch lab,
but I don't think they'retalking about pandiculation.
They might be.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Let's see Also in totalsomatics.
The reason pandiculationcreates immediate results is
because we're accessing thesensory motor portion of your
brain which is the boss overyour muscle length, tone and
coordination.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Okay, so what have you learned?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I've learned that.
So a year ago, when I finishedmy 500 hour, it makes me want to
go back and look at if thereare starting to pop up new
offerings for continuingeducation in this field of
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somatic yoga.
Because here we are talkingabout it, you know, we and or
others are going to be thinkingof it in class, using it when it
seems appropriate.
(19:59):
I don't know how to make youbig again, joyce.
There we go.
Joyce was small on my screen,so it's not simply relaxing or
stretching a muscle, but tryingto reprogram why that muscle is
tight, using not just the bodybut accessing the mind, so that
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you're not constantly moving inthat freeze or fight or flight
that you might be for so manyreasons.
I mean, we all have a differentgait and a different posture.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
For all these reasons , but it's like the initial
thing, or at least when I lookedit up.
The definition of somatic isrelating to the body as distinct
from the mind, so it's like.
But what you're actually doingis reprogramming the body and
the mind because there is noseparation.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, I guess I guess carving out which is which
I mean.
If that's what they mean byseparating, I mean listen.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
This goes back to why people cry.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You can become our somatic expert.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What we're saying is why people cry in hip openers or
heart openers?
Because a lot of us go aroundwith our legs closed.
It's me Now, with our legscrossed or their shoulders
hunched, our arms crossed overus either that body language or
that actual protective shell.
(21:33):
And so in a yoga practice, ifyou've cultivated on your mat
and we have in the room a safe,calm place to explore that and
notice how you feel, so thenthere's the connection to your
mind and emotions and memoriesand reasons for some of those
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patterns, which is a lot ofcircular talking.
We really haven't said much,which is my whole reason for
wanting to discuss this today.
My left butt cheek is asleepbecause I'm sitting on the floor
in my closet.
Let's explore this.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was in Mel's class last night.
She taught such a great class,but in hip openers I decided to
take soup in a thoracic spinesupported back band, so I had
that block underneath my ribcage so my head was down, my
butt was down, but my knees wereopen and I put my arms up above
(22:39):
my head, which sometimes feelsreally good.
I'm on the floor, obviously,and very, very slowly my fingers
started to become numb.
And it started working up myarms and I was like, well, this
is interesting.
Like where is this?
This obviously is in mythoracic spine vertebrae
(23:02):
somewhere, something'sconstricted, yeah.
But it felt like I don't know.
It felt like sparkly stars justgetting more sparkly, and I
brought my hands you are asparkly star.
Thank you, my.
Beth I brought my hands back tothe floor and played with palms
up, palms down, like shavasana,and it went away.
(23:24):
James is closing the door, I'mtoo loud.
And then I put him in.
That sensation was so cool,like it felt so good for it to
become numb.
Right, lock me out, dude.
You meditating?
Yeah, dude, I'm messing up hismeditation.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Now you're becoming James by saying dude Close.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I know Well, that's why I said it to him.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Your husband's closing the door.
My husband's opening the door.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
He's trying to lock me in.
He's trying to pull things infront of the door to keep it
closed.
As he's trying to close it oh,I think he's because both dogs
are in here.
Maybe or maybe I'm just tooloud.
Anyhow, then I took my armsafter, like, the numbness went
away and it wasn't like terrible.
So you know how sometimes whensomething falls asleep like you,
(24:16):
have to wait a long time foryou to get it.
It wasn't there.
But I put my arms back over myhead and it didn't.
It didn't do it again, and so Itried to switch positions to
find like, well, where did theywhat?
And so I was, just.
I don't know what happened, butit was very, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So that's interesting .
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So maybe, yeah, that's interesting, maybe I did
the three step process anddidn't even know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Didn't even realize it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
But I did also realize, or I felt when, when we
did, she called a couple ofbridges and I did wheel on the
last one, just because myshoulders and my arms have been
feeling better from that falland and all the dumb things that
have happened to my hands, andI just want to keep that range
(25:06):
of motion and keep feeding it.
But my, what I noticed was thatmy thoracic spine felt really
compressed, like, like I wasn'tgetting as much stretch as I
could out of it and or as Inormally do, and it wasn't my
shoulders, it wasn't my low back, it was literally right in the
middle.
So then that makes sense nowthat I'm talking through it.
Well, kind of.
(25:27):
And then a few minutes later,when I was in a supported
thoracic, supported bridge withI don't know if the hip opener
made a difference in that, youknow, but all that happened.
And here I am, I'll figure itout, I'm figuring my, I'm doing
somatic work, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, and you're making me think of our, our
physical therapist friends youknow Amy and Carrie and stuff
and how, what they have to sayabout this and if this is
entering into continuingeducation for the more medical
side Right.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I'm sure both of them will be like well, this
is what happened, you know, likethey wouldn't be sitting here
wondering with me.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but you know this.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Carrie would be like.
Let me start with your liver.
I'll fix it Because she'samazing and yeah but yeah, it
would so, but I feel like.
So I told you I did thefunction health thing and then
I'm also doing the cardiac graymatters thing in a few days.
(26:36):
And then I also learned youstill have gray matter, maybe a
little.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And then I learned that UH, specifically Southwest,
has a calcium score test thatyou can go for, like bone
density and whatever, while you,while you look that up, because
then we'll go down that road.
Before I even was thinkingabout the somatic thing, I was
(27:04):
here in the mountains.
I was.
I've been doing more yoga thistrip than last trip, but
yesterday in particular I didn'tfollow any teacher, I was just
doing my own practice and, forwhatever reason, what came to me
was to sit, sit with every posejust until the next one, and it
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was really good.
It really like reminded me thatwe as teachers, sometimes well,
especially slow flow is morethe place for this.
You know, in power there's,there's a little more of an, an
urge and a necessity to movefaster, but or move on to the
next thing.
One breath, one movement, buteven two breaths, one movement,
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three breaths, one movement, 10breaths, one movement.
Sticking with something feltreally good, something just
simple, like a seated forwardfold and really staying there
until your mind stops and yourlow back relaxes and you can
soften your knees and unclenchyour teeth, and then it all
starts like it's just back tobase six.
But it was really good.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, the reason I'm talking about.
I think we're all talking.
We're talking about the samething, like I'm just getting to
know myself better from adifferent perspective, right?
I don't feel like I'm doingthis as I would in traditional
healthcare.
Not checking in for the sake oflike, oh, I have to get my
(28:33):
yearly physical, whatever.
It's more of me taking controlover, like I want to know what I
want to know and figure outwhat I want to do with it from
there, instead of you know, butgetting more of the facts and
making my own decisions about it, and I just see that filtering
(28:54):
through.
I mean that's, I don't know.
I guess maybe I'm taking myyoga practice off the mat into
my medical world Now, which ispartly our age.
Now, paul can't get out of theroom, excuse me, Right Now he's
trapped, yeah, which is partlyour age.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I mean, you start to realize the urgency of some
things and then, because of youryoga practice, we do also start
to realize the hand that wehave in our own health.
But I do think the age hassomething to do with it.
We're starting to feel things,or see people, or know people
(29:32):
with stuff, and so it's you'remore motivated to take it into
your hands than when you're 20and you just ignore anything
your body's telling you, becauseyou have your whole life ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think it's different, though, because this
stuff wasn't necessarilyavailable back then, you know,
yeah, because healthcare was somuch better financially.
But I think where it's at rightnow, because healthcare is so
f'd up and there is the demandfor people to have these tools,
(30:02):
to get more information and takecontrol I mean, we're in the
age of information, right.
So like when you, when youdon't how long has it been since
?
When you don't feel good, youjust Google it and that drives
doctors nuts, right, doctorscrazy, yeah, but like Tiffany
Luccarelli, right, as soon asshe saw her nipple or whatever,
(30:23):
and it was like clay, she saidthere were only a few days
between that and her appointmentand she knew, she knew exactly
what she had.
She went to the doctor anddidn't really learn anything,
right, it confirmed what shelearned about herself.
So it's like I wish so, like Idon't know.
I just I hate the word agebecause I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well, not even, not even our, not even just our age,
let's not even, but the time inour lives, but also for the age
that you and I are and I'm alittle older than you our like
childhood age, because oftechnology and you know, the
host industry, a revolution, allthose things.
(31:07):
We were bad and breathed themost unhealthy, everything Like
we were raised on thoseconvenience foods which our moms
and grandmas were like this isso great, we don't have to make
our own pancake batter, and wedid.
(31:28):
You know, like that, that, thatNetflix documentary James and I
were talking about, like thereason that it's okay for for
these old ladies in somewhere inMexico to eat all these
tortillas are because they'regrinding the corn and they're
squatting and making thetortillas, and then it's so much
different.
But we were fed everythingconvenient which now we know is
(31:52):
had poisoned our bodies, ourwhole lives, and we were of the
age or the time where it waslike you don't really have to
think about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
You just trust in the doctor.
Do what the doctor says, takethe pill, come back in three
months or six months or a yearor whatever, and don't even and,
like it's, don't talk backdon't ask questions.
Right.
I just want to say that Iopened the door and cult.
That's not all the way up inthe cult he's hearing his name.
(32:23):
He's like what?
Um, he is.
That's all he wanted.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
He didn't he's not gone.
Didn't want the door closed.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
He didn't want the door closed.
He didn't.
Maybe he felt a little trapped,or something like this.
The small room is a big cage.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Or like why?
Why did we shut the door?
So he wanted it open.
He wants to be able to see andbreathe, and yeah, he's got that
door, Chloe's got the window.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm nice and safe here upstairs and in this little
room but that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
There have been a lot of dogs in Buck and Bear, the
Chordy cabin.
Really, yes, we've.
We decided from the get go thatwe would be dog friendly
because our family and friendsthat have dogs.
We want them to come and see us.
Not, oh, I can't.
I can't do anything with my dogthat week.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Dogs may love it up there.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So our kid one, one of our kids brought, brought his
dog for Christmas time.
That was Chance.
That was last month.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But then um.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Chance is a chance.
Chance is a found in theirneighborhood.
Um, looks like maybe some shelltea in there, like a nice,
mid-sized, great, great dog.
But they just found himwandering, kept him for a few
weeks, checked to see if he wasmicrochipped.
Uh, went on all the socialmedia pages.
(33:44):
Nobody claimed him.
They think he was dumpedbecause he was healthy and happy
.
I don't know how he was, hewasn't dirty, he wasn't starving
, but anyway he's got a.
So they took him, had himneutered and now his name is
Chance.
But then we've run into.
So we have a neighbor here at aanother property who has the
dog named Duke that was visiting, came in laid on my couch last
(34:06):
week and then another.
We met some more neighbors andby neighbors this is some of the
things you might be with them.
I'm thinking like a 30 minute,yeah, 30 minute walk, duke.
Well, they're, they went toDuke oh University, so, um, so a
neighbor means like within a 30or 40 minute walk.
So we saw another couplewalking their two dogs, nipples
(34:30):
which not nipples with P, butnipples with an F, which I
assume is a derivative ofsniffles I didn't really ask
kind of a bulldoggy mix kind ofthing, and diva, a tiny little
diva girl.
And then our other neighbor whojust came back into town today,
has a dog named Apollo, whoJeff insists on calling rocket.
(34:52):
But anyway, my point is,there's been a lot of animals
here for somebody.
Jeff Twerty claims to not be adog or animal lover, but he's
the one that does all the babytalk.
Oh, joyce, did you bark?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
No, Uh, he's.
He's responding to your talkabout dogs.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Oh, I didn't say W-A-L-K, which is good, did I?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Uh no, I mean aside from the 30 to 40 minute to your
neighbors, but not not youdidn't say so that same neighbor
whose names we got for thefirst time.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's what you do here you exchange names and
numbers.
And here's why the very nextday or a couple days later, he
called us because they were backout of town and his smoke alarm
or fire alarm here, his likesimply safe was going off.
So we had to drive down to hisproperty and check things out
and everything was fine.
But even better than that is,he showed us a video that he
(35:59):
took in these last couple yearsfrom his simply safe that he
saved where in the dark of thenight.
I will send it to you.
Guess what he saw.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A bear.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
A bear?
Oh, we haven't seen or heardabout any bears here.
Like there's a lot of deer,there's wild turkeys, there's
all the other animals.
But you say, obviously, youknow a bear is possible.
You're in the mountains ofNorth Carolina, but I'll send
you.
It's the cutest video.
They have kind of a clotheslinehanging, like a wire hanging,
with a bunch of bird feeders onit, which is cool and that's
(36:35):
what you'll see in this videothat the bear was was reaching
for.
So I will text that to you,right?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
now.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I'll also send you neighbor dog Duke.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm sending you the photo of me with your podcasting
with you, oh, you know, becausethat makes for a good podcast.
How did you get that?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
picture James, James, just oh, I was like how am I
seeing you?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, james sent it on a chat.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh, james.
So we have a grill outside onthe deck here, as many people do
, and when we were here lastmonth we bought a grill cover,
covered the grill.
Recovering the grill aftercooking is something that Jeff
Twirty doesn't really everremember to do, and at home I
(37:43):
finally just said I'm going tostop nagging and just do it, my
freaking self.
So eventually I covered thegrill, wiped things off here.
I didn't quite get into thatmental space.
So before we left here lasttime Jeff was like where's the
grill cover?
Like not my turn to watch it.
So we think during a wind stormit just flew away like a sail.
So we ordered another grillcover covered the grill.
(38:06):
Amazon brought it.
And then he's looking down overthe mountain view one day and
he's like that's my grill cover,oh my God.
So he climbed his way down, gothis grill cover hosted off.
Now he's using that one tocover the ladder in the basement
.
But just this morning we hadour friend Dylan over for dinner
(38:26):
last night, used the grill andjust this morning I'm still in
bed and I hear Jeff say oh shit.
And he looks out and it's windyhere this morning.
We're having a weather changeand the grill cover is flying
away again, so he had to gorescue it, put it securely on
the grill and all as well.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Mountain for today Right Right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
We used to be first world problems.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Now it's first world mountain problems.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Listen, I went to the store day before yesterday and
I get out, I step out into theparking lot and I said I am
wearing overalls, I'm steppingout of a truck, I just took
garbage out of the bed of mytruck and I have a tape measure
in my purse.
What the hell has happened tome?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like, so your overalls are too cute.
And okay, so you have trash inthe bed of your truck, but your
truck is a new truck.
It's not like you're in aSanford and Sun truck, in a pair
of beat up old overalls and youhave dirt on your face Yet.
Yet.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I'm carrying around like a blade and a tape measure
and a shoes.
Were you?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
wearing.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Triton sneakers.
Also, the guy that we just metwith the bear video, for one
thing, mountain Mary, such anidiot.
So they're walking past andwaved and I'm like come in, come
in, come in and say hello, likewhere do you do that?
But here in the mountains youdo you invite strangers in?
And as he's crossing mythreshold he said I have a
(40:03):
sidearm, is that okay?
I'm like sure, bring yoursidearm in.
But literally everybody, evenour friend Dylan last night, was
like do you guys have a shotgunup here?
Like what about a bear?
And we're like we knew the restof every touch to gun.
And I'm like I have a macheteand a knife and Dylan's like
yeah, did you see that storyabout the guy who like stabbed a
(40:25):
bear like nine times andnothing even happened and now
he's dead?
I was like I don't really wantto talk about that.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Have you ever shot a gun?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Have I asked you this .
Speaker 2 (40:35):
We may have talked about it before.
I have not shot a gun.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Monday for Father's Day probably like.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Oh, I do remember.
This is where you're in June,yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Because I had, I think, my, because I drove my
Mini Cooper Countryman and itwas one of the first times I
could actually drive people.
And we went to, we took my dadfor Father's Day out to to
arrange in Geogha County, whichI'd never been to arrange, and
it was not what I expected.
It was just a big open fieldwhere people shot shit, clay
(41:09):
pigeons Excellent, right, that.
Yeah, that's where we.
We got some clay pigeons andand I, we, we got the cheap
thing that you just fling, likeyou're throwing it because we we
don't do this right, like we'renot going to invest in like
fancy stuff, and I, I flung itand it hit James and I, my mom
(41:36):
and I were laughing so hard.
We were crying and my dad wasall happy that we weren't
laughing at him because whateverhad him for a change, yeah, but
James.
That was the first time I evershot a shotgun, or ever shot any
gun really, and I hit my veryfirst.
With my very first shot ever, Ihit the clay pigeon and then it
(41:58):
took me like 85 times to do itagain, but I didn't like it
which is even that sayssomething right.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Like you probably weren't over focusing, you were
just like instinct, which isprobably good.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, so could I shoot a bear.
I guess my instinct is thatstrong.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
But well, that's why the friend was telling us.
You know, you could do birdshot instead of buckshot, and
then you probably wouldn't beable to accidentally kill each
other or yourself, and it wouldscare a bear away or injure him
enough.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And that was what was terrifying about having that in
my getting comfortable withthat shotgun.
It's just too, it's too muchand that's a big gun.
I can't even imagine howcomfortable it would be with.
You know something you couldslide in your purse and how many
(42:47):
?
Times you can eff it up and dothe wrong thing and like I just
uh-uh, sorry, like I I get.
I guess, like that you needprotection from bears, because
that's like a real thing.
Well, if.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I was camping, but theoretically I'm here, safe
within the walls of a structure.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
If a bear really wanted to get in your house, he
probably could, but the chancesof him really wanted to get in
are probably slow.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I would be more, I guess, if I was not walking or
hiking Right.
But honestly I'm probablyscrewed in that regard.
I'm not sure I would have thedecent presence of mind to do
the right thing anyway.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And that sort of dog would you know be a good thing.
But anyhow, we're going offinto we could go into complete
political conversation now, ohboy.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Let's do that, cause that's so fun Guns and yeah.
Um but yeah, I just didn't.
Lawyers guns and money.
There's a.
There's a good Warren Ziva andsong called.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Lawyers Guns and Money.
We started with with bras, bras.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Lawyers, guns, money.
It all started with Soma.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
We could write a book about Lawyers Guns, bras, money
, mountains, trucks, overalls,there you get Southern.
Joyce Um.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I know you're.
I feel like I haven't seeny'all in a long time.
I'm headed home.
What's today?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
There's two homes now .
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Oh my goodness, I'll be teaching next, I'll be
teaching on Wednesday, which isless than a week from now, so
that's good.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, oh, wow, it has been a while since you've even
taught.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
It was two weeks again this trip.
It's weird, it's good, but it'sweird.
Is your mom's eye healed?
Well, I mean, I haven't seenher in two weeks, but yeah, I
think.
So I texted her this morningand my niece and her little kids
, who are still off school, arecoming over to my mom's for
(44:48):
lunch, so that's good.
Yeah, my niece, they went toschool right up till the 23rd,
so they are still off until nextweek, which she said.
Really she's a teacher as well.
So she said it really suckedthe week leading up to Christmas
, but now it's nice to have offa little later than everybody.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's tough because people have so much to do before
Christmas.
I guess maybe for kids are inschool, that's okay, but if
you're a teacher, maybe not,yeah, right up till the 23rd,
and you've got two, basicallyfive-year-old and a
three-year-old.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I got my physician's analysis from Function oh yeah,
we started talking about theblood results last episode, but
you didn't have a physician'sinterpretation.
What did they suggest you dowith your bad self?
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I mean, I feel like it's not very personal but it is
.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Did they not call you by name?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Well, they're saying they're basically just giving
you data and informationaccording to your numbers, but
it's pretty in-depth.
It's probably well I mean, Idon't even know how to say how
long it is because it's online.
If it were on pages, I wouldthink, with maybe an eight or 10
(46:05):
font, it would be four or fivepages, but I so like my high
sensitivity C-reactive proteinwas elevated.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I keep hearing a lot about that C-reactive protein.
That's another.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
This indicates there was an inflammatory process
detectable at the time of yourtest.
However, the level is not highenough to be considered for
clinical concern.
If you have suspectedinflammation, discuss with your
primary care provider and havethis recheck.
Your white blood cell count waslow could indicate increased
susceptibility infections Couldbe because of a recent infection
(46:42):
.
It should be repeated in amonth or so and then refer to
the foods and the supplementsthat could help increase it.
But like my, I mean it's reallygood information.
It's kind of like nothing isglaring.
(47:03):
So the LDL thing they even sayon here that I should get that
down, but my overall cholesterolis okay.
But the scary part of small andmedium is that's the stuff that
causes problems.
But then I learned throughSusie, through her sister, Amy
that you mentioned had somethingsimilar done, or perhaps the
(47:23):
same thing that LDL and estrogenhave a lot to do with each
other, and women in menopause orperimenopause who have lowering
estrogen levels, that lowerestrogen levels will raise
cholesterol, and so there's thethumb.
So then we're just screwed aswomen, Like you were saying
(47:45):
before the podcast, we have onefunction in life.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, biologically, which actually is mad as it
makes us, and as much control aswe want to take over it.
I mean, there is that beautifullife cycle.
Every different organism has adifferent purpose, and the
female human.
Well, we are human, so we haveother purposes as well.
(48:11):
But the female of any speciesis to give birth, reproduce and
die off, and then, when youcan't do that anymore, you just
wither and die.
So we're like an old raisin.
Well, maybe that was the wrong,but anyway.
(48:32):
And beef jerky also not what Iwant to say, but anyway you know
what I mean.
Really, biologically, we'reborn, we grow, we decay and
decline and die.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay, so we're really specific about women, right,
and so hormone replacementtherapy obviously has some risks
, and if you take estrogen andprogesterone, one of the side
effects is that your skinbecomes really crepey.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
And crepe erase doesn't work.
I used that bottom of thebottle.
Guarantee.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's Jane Seymour lied to all of us.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I did.
That's the only time I've everdone that.
I suck at doing returningthings, but I was like damn it.
You promised me crepe free arms.
Dr Quinn, medicine woman.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And so it increases your.
What is it like?
Uterine cancer risk orsomething like that, something
down there?
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Or breast cancer as well.
I mean estrogen is, you know,our bone density, our lots of
like.
Estrogen affects lots of thingsmental.
When you just stop producingestrogen, it's a dozen number on
the body.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
So my stepdaughter today, ashley, was like so would
you rather you have to pickyour or pick your point?
Pick your path.
Do you want cancer or heartdisease?
I was like huh.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
I think I agree with heart disease.
Yeah, cancer is, can be soobnoxious, and you know Jane's
I've been thinking a lot aboutcancer because you know Jane's a
really good friend who hadmultiple cancers herself.
Who's just a wonderful chickand she took care of all of
Jane's affairs.
(50:32):
Her sister died suddenly theother day.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
And at the same time her son, who was diagnosed this
last year with lymphoma.
His illness, who which had beenbeing managed a little bit okay
with his first treatments, hasmutated now and he's in the
hospital very sick.
Eventually we'll need a bonemarrow transplant.
So, like that freaking cancerjust keeps punching some people.
(50:59):
It just keeps punching andpunching and punching personally
and their, their relatives, youknow, and that's.
It's just a lot like the sillyshit that we talk about with
being happy and sad andeverything all day.
Like people are strugglingtheir whole lives with cancer,
their whole lives, even if theysurvive it and manage it.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
You know, like that that also reminds me like you
just never know what people aredealing with, like you can make
these options, like we hadsomewhat of a.
I had a complaint aboutsomething that happened at the
studio and the person who wassort of in the center of it and
(51:46):
it wasn't nothing dramatic, itwas just some little annoying
thing.
I found out, sort of notdirectly, that this person had
somebody in one of her children,had a traumatic brain injury,
(52:08):
will probably always be in hercare and although her child, who
is a young adult, presents as anormal young adult isn't, how
(52:28):
do you know how that is going totake its toll on someone, as
you know that you're like ohyeah, this makes sense, that
person needs you to go, probably.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
So the complainer or the person who was maybe a
little snitty was who you foundout was dealing with this.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, Well, that was who was being complained about.
Oh, I don't get a lot ofcomplaints, I really don't.
It was just more of thispassing like hey, have you
noticed?
And it was just like yeah, buthere's an opportunity for you to
stay in your practice.
Yeah, I mean, look at how youhandle distractions.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
And it's a good test of our practice because it's all
fun and social and we're atyoga, but yeah, think about
being next to somebody who's notfollowing or who's making
noises or using their phone orwhatever the situation, can you
support that person with yourown practice, not by joining
(53:44):
them on the phone or trying tomake louder noises, but just by
taking care?
Of yourself.
Back to the old phrase meetingpeople where they are Exactly.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
We practice a lot of things at yoga.
It's just the poses, our tools,this flow is.
They're just tools to justreally.
Because if that's the reactionto, I'm not judging at all, but
I know this in myself.
I learned this in yoga, butit's that the way you do one
thing is the way you doeverything, and that was said
(54:22):
early on and I was very, veryinjured and I'm going heart all
out because I needed to showeverybody in the room that I can
do all this stuff.
And it's like why?
Because I go all out everywhere, I throw myself out there and
it just really opened my eyes tohow I was looking.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
And here's your one hour.
Here's your safe place to learnor to explore or to accept yes
or whatever.
And if that leads back to thetime and opportunity to do that
quote-unquote somatic stuff andrecognize the where and the why
(55:04):
of why are your shoulders tight?
Maybe there may not be a grandreason other than the way your
body's put together.
You were talking about a briefcomplaint.
I'm not even going to saycomplaint, but I handed out just
a chocolate truffle aroundChristmas time at the end of
class and sometimes, especiallypeople in yoga, tend to try and
(55:27):
be healthy, so sometimes I'll donuts or a kind bar or something
and stuff.
But it was Christmas, so I dida piece of candy and one woman
who practices so regularly withus and has a lovely practice
handed it back to me and shesaid I'll just give this back to
you.
And I unthink woo.
Joyce barked again.
I unthinkingly said oh, I wishI had your willpower.
(55:50):
And she laughed and she said,yeah, well, don't.
And you know it hit me like it'snot willpower, it's probably.
We know she has cancer.
She's been treated more thanonce for cancer.
She's not thin because she'snot eating chocolate, it's
because she's been treated forcancer and probably sugar is not
(56:10):
good for Fighting recurrence.
And so I was, you know, likesmacked back and she was lovely
about it, it wasn't that.
But I was like, yeah, mary Beth, you dumbass.
So I put an ornament next toher mat the next time Because I
had to overcompensate.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
But nobody did anything wrong either.
Like we tend to beat ourselvesup right, Like, yeah, you didn't
.
You're kind of like thinkingyou put your foot in your mouth,
but you didn't.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
No, and it was.
I'm grateful for it becauseit's just another reminder,
another place to learn and torecommit to respecting stuff.
It's like the time I saidjokingly said something about
not being able to see between mythighs and somebody approached
me after class whose daughterwas struggling with anorexia and
(57:08):
said you know, that was alittle triggering for me because
I would love for my daughter tonot be able to see between her
thighs.
So just opportunities to learnand, as you said, I didn't do
anything wrong.
Yeah, I never do, just ask me.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
Right.
None of us do, though.
Well, I think you have.
We've gone over your time limit.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Oh, yes, well, I always built in a little buffer
with you because you and I don'tstop talking easily or quickly,
we use a lot of words.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
We take a lot of diversions.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
That rocket might be coming over.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
Oh, but Jeff's not a dog guy.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
He's not, but he does love rocket.
I'll send you a picture of himand rocket too.
Whose name is Apollo, notrocket?
Not a clue why.
I think because he's a fastmoving little white dog.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, Apollo.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
Right, right Rocket, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
I mean dogs understand that, right, apollo
wouldn't?
That's really cute.
It'd be like oh what a funnyguy.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
And Jeff will say to Apollo so mom.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, it's very nice to see you on the screen, Mary
Beth.
I look forward to seeing you inperson.
Yes, I'll see you next week.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Thanks to everybody, which is not the same as see you
next.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
Tuesday yeah, thanks everyone for listening.
If you could tell all yourfriends to listen and maybe give
us a review, a five star review, and follow us.
Don't give us less than a fivestar review, because we don't
want to.
Because we're going to dosomething big with this podcast.
We don't know what it is or howto do it, but it's got some
(58:59):
legs, it's got some momentum.
I've got legs.
I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
I'm going to have to be the legs.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Joyce Figured out in an hour to talk about soma and
somatic yoga, so maybe on yourdrive home you can figure out
how to make our podcast reallybig.
Speaker 2 (59:16):
Okay, I'll work on that.
I'm not great with big ideas orbig follow through.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
It's all right, Like actually we're partners.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
All right, we're done .
See you next time.
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