Journeying Through Life: Patty Kubick on Travel, Cancer and Personal Growth

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two microphones and make the phone call gas.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Two microphones and you make the phone call gas, gas
.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hi, this is Joyce and this is Marybeth.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome to the Modern Yoga Podcast.
Guess who's here.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
This is Patty Patty.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Kubik, patty, do you like Kubik or Kubik?
How is it it's.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Kubik Like Kubik's are.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh, not like a diamond.
Yeah there you go, kubik Okay.
Look at your big face.
I switched my view so that Ihave the full.
No, no, no, don't back up.
I switched my view so that Ihave the full screen of whoever
is speaking, because I haven'tseen your face in a long time.
So funny.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, it's been a while for me too.
I'm going to look up that classthat you and Dennis took in
Brexville a while ago.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
And that was, wasn't that the sheer?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Um.
I mean it is I don't know, butyou've been a client since July
25th of 2016 and I, just twominutes ago, learned how to
correctly pronounce your lastname.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, listen, this is I have an uncomfortable moment.
I'm going to bring this upright here.
Joyce, I want you to repeatafter me Dejuralamo.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Dejuralamo.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, that's a rough one.
I never knew how to pronouncethat name.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
You do that one wrong All the time.
I know you do the Dejuralamo.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, mike Dejuralamo Dejuralamo corrects me every
Monday night when I see him atZafbo.
He does.
And for a person who'sDejuralamo With a person, for a
person the last name that'sdifficult to pronounce.
You'd think I'd get that onebecause it's phonetically
correct.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Right right, yeah, there you go.
Well, it's wonderful to seeboth of you you too.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So you came to James's class in Strongsville on
June 22nd.
You came to my class inBrexville on May 22nd, yeah, oh,
how funny and seriously.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I don't know when I've last seen you.
I can't imagine when.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, and before that I think it was way before you
went on to even Italy.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh yeah, probably because I don't remember where
we were before Italy, but we'rein the.
Cleveland area for the summer,for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think last time I might have seen you was at Mary
Kennedy's little soiree.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, that was the summer.
So sometime that summer yeah,just been a little bit busy
roaming around in.
But yeah, we just got back inMay.
So and then with the jet lagwas Wait where?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
were you.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
So like a year ago do you want me to run through it
all?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, because the last I remember was Italy,
because you were your condo.
The completion kept gettingpushed back and so you were.
I think you said we were goingto go to Italy for I don't know
like two weeks, and then youdecided to go for four months or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, no, we lived there for three months so, which
was fabulous, and we visitedlike I even had a write down
stuff we visited like 16different places, oh my gosh.
So no, we really.
I loved Italy, oh my gosh, Fromthe beautiful Just as beautiful
all the cities were, to, ofcourse, the wine and the food

(03:50):
and all the hiking, oh my gosh,it was just wonderful.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
So if you went back, where would you go?
Would you go right into the bigcities or were there little
things that you found that?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
You know what?
We lived in Florence for amonth and that was my favorite,
yes, and that was a good centerpoint because then we took the
train for day trips everywhere.
Like we went to Venice for aday, we went to I forget, we're
like Pisa for a day, like youcould do little day trips from
there.
So it's kind of fun to have abase and we had a nice Airbnb

(04:22):
and it's funny that actuallywhere I got COVID- in Italy.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh geez, yeah, for the first time.
Was that your first time Of?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
COVID it was my first time, yeah, getting COVID.
Wow, and.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
You got Italian COVID .
I wonder if it's pronounceddifferently.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's where.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I can see why they all live so close together.
You know what I meanEverything's so close together
when you're in their towns.
But I just had it for a weekand then we were just lucky that
we were in an Airbnb where wecould hunker down, had two
bedrooms, so Dennis and I couldkind of keep our space.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
So Dennis didn't get sick.
No, no, no, Isn't that bizarre.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'll always remember that, like I got COVID in Italy.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Super near, so it's special.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, A souvenir right .
And then from there we camehome.
And, oh, because we ended up inSicily for the month of
November not the month, butwhich everybody says is like a
different planet altogether.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
even then it is.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
And it was so beautiful and it was warm there.
That's why we picked it to keepgoing south in.
Italy in November and then wecame back for Thanksgiving in
Florida and met our kids thereand everything.
So we felt like we touched down.
And then we went to Mexico fora couple of weeks and didn't get
home to like December 20th orsomething.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh, so let me back up for just a second.
I've never been to Italy andlike I know how to read maps and
everything but like in size.
How would you describe Italyfor somebody who lives in Ohio?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I know it's as big as I feel like it's so easy to get
around.
It's probably as big and I knowthere's a state that it's as
big as yeah.
Harry about this Do you knowthis, Mary Beth?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
I don't.
I mean, it's not so Italyitself isn't tiny, there's, it's
nice.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
But like in three hours or like we never took that
long, but well, we did.
Actually, to get to Sicily wehad to take a long train down
Just California.
Okay, that makes a difference.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
If you're kind of in the center.
Wherever you are, the trainsystem is just amazing.
And it's inexpensive to jump ona train and get around.
We even took the train toSicily.
The train got right onto theferry.
Amazing Wow.
Like rode right into the ferry,the ferry crossed the water.
It was like a 10-minute littlecrossing the water to Sicily, oh

(06:51):
my goodness.
I know, but honestly, yeah,wherever we were.
So I would pick a centrallocation, knowing that you can
bob around so easily.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
And I remember from Florence you can sort of get off
the beaten path in Tuscany.
And yes, I'm sure maybe you didsome hiking and stuff there.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
We did, and we actually rented a car for a day
and drove all around Tuscany,stayed overnight in Cortana,
which is a little village.
That's what I found so cool, isthat?
Oh my God, every little town isso cute, and there's churches,
and like it's not just you knowthe places, you see, it's every
little Montipugiano, like everyplace you go is like

(07:32):
Montipugiano, san Gimignano.
Yes, like they're just adorablelittle towns and I would not,
like I really want to go backthere.
I'm sure we will go back there,but like this year we're
talking about because of course,our townhouse was delayed again
and it was like can we sneakaway to Italy for a month?

Speaker 3 (07:52):
If we're going to kill time, can we not kill it
here?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, but yeah.
So love that Italy.
I would recommend it to anyonebecause it's actually cheaper
than the United States, whichwas, you know the food, and they
don't give you as much food,you know.
So the servings.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Right, and the other thing is just ordering the house
wine anywhere is fabulous.
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
You don't have to pour over your pretentious wine
list in Italy, no, and we Anylittle town you went to had
their wine, like Montipugiano,of course was that, and San
Gervaisi I think that wasFlorence, or was it Bologna.
Every city you were in, ofcourse, had their own wine, so I

(08:40):
feel like it sounds so fancy,Like all these names just sound
like.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
of course I want wine from there, not, like you know,
Parma wine and at the same time, as fancy as it is, it's that
just earthy and unfancy.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
That's awesome, like yeah, but can you?
Imagine like Strongsville wineyeah.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And you're like, yeah , cleveland wine.
Yes, exactly.
And you would get like a halfliter for like $4.
And you're like, okay, that'snot even debatable, right?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And then like the simplicity, like pasta and then
some spinach and tomatoes orsomething like it's so simple
and we make everything so saucyand complicated here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, had some great meals there and it's so funny,
like I even ate the sandwichesLike we decided we would eat
everything.
Of course, when you go to getit, like you have to have the
cannolis and the gelatos and youknow that's normally stuff you
don't try to eat every day, butwe just indulged.
But we did so much walking, youknow, even you know, in
Florence we stayed across theArno River so we had to cross

(09:49):
over every day to get into thecity.
And what a nice walk, you know.
And I just think we walked itall off so easily.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
And I think when you let yourself have something, you
know, when we're dieting allthe time, not having any carbs,
then you just sort of pound thisgiant piece of cake when you
let yourself go.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But if you're going to let yourself.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
have you know, a biscotti or the bread?
I mean, you can't not havebread.
A liter of wine, yeah.
You can calm down.
You can like calm down and eat.
You can enjoy it.
Yeah and not race through itand think you need to have three
of them because you might nothave one again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Well, and I think even that's their philosophy,
you know, with the desserts andstuff, Like they think every day
you should have a gelato, youknow, or whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
So I agree.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
But really talk about , you know, eating like that and
didn't gain an ounce because wedid so much walking around, and
wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
more mindful eating than here, because you were
trying new, fresh, local things,so talk about, you know,
mindfulness.
And, of course, because we gotto tie it all back to yoga here
at the my oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, but we always agreed that you know wherever
you go.
You just got to eat the foodand you got to experience it,
you know.
So, yeah, one of my favoriteplaces for sure, and hopefully
get to go back there.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
So you said you came home to Florida.
Did you stop?
Were you in Cleveland at all?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
No, we flew.
So that's the thing.
Like this time we went to Italyand kind of had a one-way
ticket, yeah, so then we coulddecide where we were going and
we thought we would go home.
But we're like well, I go homeand then fly to Florida.
You know, for ThanksgivingWe've been doing.
Thanksgiving there for the lasttime.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, and you didn't really have a home at the time
right, yes, we did, no, wedidn't, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
So that's why we just took our ticket from there and
once we were in Florida, we'relike you know, it's a hop
skipping, a jump over to Mexicofor a couple weeks trying to get
that warmth and the you knowwhatever.
Before it was a littlestressful coming home December
20th and I was like, oh my gosh,it's Christmas, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
But, for that to have to be much simpler now.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yes, what part of Florida were you in?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
My mother-in-law lives in St Pete Beach, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
James and I did a one day trip to St Pete.
Oh, made it to St Pete too, butbecause Frontier screwed us.
That's a podcast, you canlisten to.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
That's Joyce Chasing, trevor Hall.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yes, it was a hey, let's go see Trevor Hall in St
Pete tomorrow.
And we made it happen.
Well, that's fun it actuallywas.
It was really fun.
Like you know, you wake up oneday and the next night you have
a hotel room overlooking theocean, you know, and it is
beautiful there, like it wasjust a really cool, quick thing,
but that's a nice area, likethat's.

(12:49):
I would spend some time there.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
But I didn't.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
We were.
We've been going there, I meansince Dennis and I have been
together, so like almost 40years.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, so very familiar with this, you know.
So, yeah, fun.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And then Mexico isn't very far away.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, you went to our normal play at Doc Harmon
because we're very familiar withit there.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
We have a yoga studio .

Speaker 1 (13:15):
We go to there.
You know it feels verycomfortable and natural.
So we did that and then we camehome and we were home, I think,
until January 10th or somethinglike that A few weeks so when
was your place actually done andinhabitable?
September 11th.
I've only I've been here threeweeks.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
So have you been Airbnbing it since then?
Yes, Like for the last.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, and I think, three months of Airbnb's.
May, we were in Tremont for amonth and then we were on West
25th for two months because wewant to be close to our place so
we could keep an eye on it.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
And then just a couple of weeks we stayed at my
sister's.
You know, in between the timethis was ready and our last
Airbnb was done.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So how do you like?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
it?
How do we like what?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Our house.
Well, finish your sentence.
Yeah, but that's what I wasasking.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
No, we, we, we loved, we loved even West 25th because
we were close to our area, thatwe're going to live.
We got to explore it a littlebit more deeper.
I'm telling you that's thecoolest thing that I realized.
Like even coming home toCleveland, living different
neighborhoods is so cool.
Because, you know, I even saystuff to my family about oh did
you know about this and this andthe Cleveland area, and they're

(14:37):
just like what?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, what do you?
So?
What Ohio city, what?
What do you think is a secretgem or two that people don't
really know about?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, I know people know about on the West side
market but I literally could gothere every day and.
I loved that because if I'mmaking a recipe, I could
literally, you know, walk out ofmy apartment and walk across
the street and you know.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Where were you at up above?
Like what is it that arcadeplace?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
There was, I hate to say, but it's a dot.
We're literally across thestreet, diagonally from West
side market for a city brewery,okay, so that's one thing like
smelling beer all the time.
When you're outside thesidewalk you can get a little.
You know much, but all the hopsWell, and we thought it would
be cool, which we?
We were on West 25th, so veryentertaining to watch what's

(15:30):
going on there.
And luckily our place, like,the bedrooms, were in the back,
so we're, you know, a littlemore back so we could sleep,
because it gets a little crazy.
Oh, market garden and um and umtown hall is such good like
healthy food, yeah, but evenback in the neighborhood, like

(15:53):
if you walk, you know, back inOhio city, all the little
streets back there, franklin andClinton, nice little homes and,
um, yeah, very nice hex capbays there, nice little ice
cream shops, I mean, yeah, very,very nice Hansa.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
did you ever go to Hansa?
They have such an interestingmenu.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
What's it called?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Hansa, it's like a brewery you go outside and it's,
I want to say.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Lorraine, it's on Lorraine yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Oh, I haven't.
Oh my gosh, the carpaccio isthere's so many breweries in
that area.
It's crazy, like just in thatcorner of Ohio city, you know,
um, but yeah, very cool.
So it was very interestingliving there.
Um, glad I'm not staying therebecause it's a little bit more
of a neighborhood where we'reliving right now.

(16:46):
So which is.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Detroit shoreway right.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, yeah, battery park or Well, it's so funny
because there's so many names.
Um I'm ready for edge water.
Um, but it says Gordon square.
Like when you come up under thebridge.
It says Gordon square.
I think battery park.
I see the sign behind me.
So battery park neighborhood.

(17:12):
I feel like that defines usbecause we're actually in that
development.
Um, but they have all names forit, so I don't know what the
city of Cleveland's doing.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
They're branding with some confusion.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yes, yeah.
So where does your?
I see your.
You have patio doors behind you.
What is your view?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Do you want to see?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
For our international podcast audience.
Yes, this is um.
Let me switch that.
What floor are you on?
Well, this is a.
Our main living floor is um thesecond floor.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
So you're dry.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, yeah, it garages downstairs, but this is
so.
This is our main building.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Oh gosh, I know just where you are, yep.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, we've all been there Awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
That's the bridge that goes down to Edgewater Park
.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, the lake behind the train.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yes, yeah, and you can walk and bike and everything
right under there and go.
Yeah, yeah, so that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
So awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
And actually on the next floor up you can actually
see a city view, so it's prettycool.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
And it's you know.
We're showing the world thetypical overcast Cleveland day,
even though we have beautiful,beautiful weather.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, unfortunately, but that's what I love about.
You know, just looking at onceagain, there's so much to watch
here too, sitting on that patio.
You know, especially like inthe morning, there's the dog
walking parade.
Everybody who lives is lots oftownhouses, apartments, across
the street.
Everyone's walking their dog,so it's so interesting.

(18:49):
And same thing at night, like530 at night, everyone's
parading down to Edgewater towalk their dogs.
So that's cool.
Yeah, we love it so far.
Like you know, we can go walk,take a nice little lap.
You know you can take like amile and a half lap or like
three or four miles down thereevery night after dinner so it's
very cool.
So it kind of goes with thewhole.

(19:11):
Like the way we've been livingthe past couple of years, like
living in a city where we couldwalk everywhere.
We really don't drive.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
The only difference is the local wine socks.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yes, and a lot, a lot more expensive.
I got to tell you when we gotback this time we had such shell
sock at the prices andeverything, because we had been
living in Asia and even in Baliand everything was just.
You know, you get used to thateconomy and then you get back
here and you're like what do youmean?
It's, you know, $14 for abottle of wine.
It's like what?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Or a glass?
We are certainly not the mostexpensive area of our country,
so, yeah, not at all.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I was just telling a story, the story the other night
about when we, when James and Iwent to, we did that one day
trip last minute.
We had a short layover at theCharlotte airport and we got, we
went to a Mexican restaurant inthe airport because we don't
eat meat and it's easy to gettacos without meat, you know
Sure.

(20:11):
And we were like, oh, I'm goingto go to the bar because it was
pretty busy, and I asked if Icould have a margarita, but I
didn't want a super sweet one.
And she was like, oh, I canmake like a skinny girl
variation.
I'm like, okay, it was $26 fora margarita.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
We just had a Bloody Mary before we flew to South
Carolina last week and samething it was.
We were like, oh my gosh Right.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
She didn't.
She didn't tell me you knowlike.
Well, you know, this specialmix is going to be $26.
I mean, when it wasn't like abig margarita.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Exactly, it's not even large.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And I'm like, oh, okay.
But, I mean that's just, it'sthe airport and whatever.
But yeah, everything is justridiculous anymore.
But I get it.
I mean I'm a small businessowner.
Prices of absolutely everythinghave gone up.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, and it's funny when we first got here,
the first couple of weeksliterally felt like we were at
another Airbnb, like it.
Just it felt natural.
It felt okay, we're setting up,we're going to be here for a
while.
You know it was.
It was just like a comfortablefeeling of like okay, now you
know we can walk down to thelake, and I don't know Like.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And then it finally realized like, oh, I live here,
this is my place I was going tosay, is it sinking in, that is
it feeling like home?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Are you starting to nest?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yes, yeah, that's a nice feeling of non-attachment,
though you know like you'reenjoying it, but, but you know
like it's not.
It's not defining you.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah yeah.
It was really a strange feeling, though, in a sense, because
you're like I've been waitingfor this for how long?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
and but you also haven't had a house for, like
you haven't had a home base forhow long now.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Two and a half years, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, no, and it made that little.
There was a little sense ofnervousness now like, oh my gosh
, should we really be doing this?
Like, but you have to.
It's nice to have a you knowhome base and you know we're
kind of thinking of this.
We're only going to hang outhere for, you know, four to six
months a year.
We're still going to try to getaway in when the weather's

(22:11):
crappy and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So have you thought about Airbnb in your place?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
No, I wouldn't do that.
I mean we easily could you know, because it's a great location
and even like close to theCleveland Clinic, it's, you know
, 14 minutes to the main, youknow campus.
But I'm like, oh my God, no waydo I want people living in my
house Just because of I don'twant anyone stuffing my walls,
and so Especially when you'vebuilt it and it's new.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, and it's your only.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Island of when you've been traveling, traveling,
traveling, and then now this isyour landing pad.
It's got to feel like reallyyours.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I just I, I you know, maybe someday.
But right now I'm like, oh, Icouldn't even imagine that,
because everyone asked me that,because if you're not going to
be there, right, I was like, oh,I don't know, but I guess if
you've got the right person atthe right price, you got a
mature adult to rent it, or airbe, you can't necessarily like
filter that on Airbnb.
By price, you probably can.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
They get a little bit more expensive.
You know that will kind offilter out and make it maybe a
month's stay.
You know that would maybe, youknow, filter out.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, bring in the, the Patty and Dennises of the
world.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
That really, yeah, you wouldn't want this to be a
party house or anything you know.
Party at Patty's, I know right.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
But the way that you guys travel, like you're at,
like your trips, what you justdescribed in Italy, I, I love
Cleveland, but I can't imaginesomebody from Italy is like I'm
going to go to Cleveland, I know, and stay in this cute little
area called Battery Park orGordon Square.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You know, like I just Do you know that there's cruise
ships that come here?
Yes, I just saw that.
Yeah, I know.
And it's so funny because evenyou'll see, you know foreign
speaking people or people withand I feel like some come from
Canada, so maybe they're FrenchCanadians, or because it seems

(24:15):
like I've heard that, like atLakewood Park, I hear people but
like that's where they would go, they would go to like
Edgewater or the Rockin' RollHall of Fame when they get off
the boat and but isn't thatinteresting?
I mean, we all think like whowould want?
You know not who would want tocome.
It's, you know, every citythere's like really great
aspects and Cleveland does havea lot of really nice things, but

(24:36):
when you live there you maybedon't know all the touristy
things.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
And also out in the world.
Cleveland's never had the bestreputation.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, it's always been the mistake by the lake.
But we have great culture andballet and orchestra and people
don't even know.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
And you know what's funny, we were in some country
Maybe it was, I don't know if itwas like Indonesia or Borneo,
or.
But someone said to us, when wesaid we're from Cleveland,
they're like oh, where thattrain spill was in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
And we were like what ?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, it's funny, I got a lot.
So that was Palestine,palestine, and a lot of people I
know on Facebook, like myCanadian relatives or whatever.
People did reach out to me andwe're like are you okay?
And I was like, yeah, that'sactually quite a ways you know
away from us, but that, yeah.
So there we are again, likewhen we're on the national news

(25:37):
it ain't good, it ain't forsomething good, yeah.
Yeah, I mean our sports teamshaven't been stellar in a while
either.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yes, that's true, but yeah, they only hear about the
disasters, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
So you mentioned being close to the Cleveland
Clinic.
Is that a segue we want toexplore?

Speaker 1 (25:57):
We can, we can.
So after we traveled you knowwe went to like 12 different
places from January to.
We extended it to May Dennislearned how to not learn, but he
was doing taxes why we were inBali.
We stayed in Bali for a monthand that was always the reason

(26:18):
that we came home early, becausehe had some clients that he
does tax for Right.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Let alone Taxes in Bali.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah.
And then he was like I'm doingyour tax return in Bali.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
This was great because he, like, could stage it
out you know, and it was betterthan coming home.
He would come home and he wouldcrunch for like two weeks to get
you know the deadlines in, sohe kind of learned to it worked
out great doing it, you know,and that's why we stayed in Bali
for a month where my daughtercame to visit us also, which was

(26:50):
awesome so.
But then we got home and soevery time we get home I'm I do
like, go okay, what you know,checkups, I need to go to, you
know, say the dentist, and Ineed to, you know, get my
mammogram and all this stuff.
So I just started booking allthat stuff and then went to in

(27:11):
June, got a mammogram and on themammogram, I remember having
the mammogram, talking to thegirl, it was really quick and
easy, no big deal.
Leave you know, go home.
And then you know, a couple ofdays later someone called and
says they sent me in.
I think they left a voicemailand you know how you read the

(27:32):
transcript.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And I just kind of read it and they was like, oh, I
took it as, oh, you have tocome back and get better
pictures.
I didn't think anything of it,because that's happened to me
before, where they're like, oh,we just need to check something,
and so so I go, okay, so Ischedule and I got in like right
away on another Friday.
Well, my niece had died thatweek, july 9th, and like my mind

(27:57):
, just wasn't you know, thereand I really wasn't paying any
attention to it.
And so I go back for the secondmammogram and they take me in
the room and they do, and theydo another, the diagnostic
mammogram.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right and I go, oh this is a different.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, this is a different machine.
I was like, oh, interesting,didn't say anything.
They take it.
And then they're like, oh, waita minute, we're going to have
you go do an ultrasound.
And then I'm sitting therethinking like what's going on.
So they take me into the roomand I go, hang on what is going
on, and they're like and thenthe radiologist section came
because she did that you knowultrasound, and she said, well,

(28:37):
we saw something.
The reason we're doing thesepictures again is we saw
something and we need to checkit out.
And I was like, oh, I didn'tknow that because I didn't read
the whole transcript, you know,and I thought it was like no big
deal.
So so she did the.
You know, it was interestingbecause the radiologist actually
did the mammogram or theultrasound, and they found a

(29:00):
lymph.
Well, they found, they thoughtit was breast cancer.
That's where they went rightaway because it was in my breast
.
And they're like this is what Iwas like.
Well, that's really strange,because I had melanoma 11 years
ago and my mom had lymphoma butmy aunt had had breast cancer,
but like nothing, I was like,isn't that strange that you

(29:22):
would have melanoma but then youcould get a different kind of
cancer.
So and she was like, well,we're not going to rule anything
out.
So she took all her picturesand stuff and luckily, the first
person who did my mammogram hadlike grabbed like against my
chest wall, like under my arm,like just the way she had

(29:43):
grabbed it was just a little bitof this, you know, tumor, and I
mean I feel like so lucky thatit was like like if she would
have not grabbed that fully orlike anything less thorough, and
it would have been missed.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
And after she found like kind of could you find it
after that?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
No, I still can't.
I still feel it.
It's only a millimeter, like1.2 or something like that.
I still can't feel it, but it'sso, then it.
Then, after they do all thisexamination which you know
that's the worst waiting for abiopsy.
And because they said, oh, we'llhave the results before the
weekend, Don't want you to worryover the weekend or whatever,

(30:24):
Of course I did, they didn'thave it.
And because it wasn't breastcancer, you know, because now I
learned that every cancer hasidentifying cancer markers.
So it didn't have those markers, it didn't have lymphoma
markers.
So also knowing, you know, likesaying to the you know doctor,

(30:46):
like, hey, here's what's in myfamily as she's, you know, she's
writing all that down so theyknow to look for those certain
things.
And it really wasn't until like10 days later that I got the
results.
I was coming home from EarlBeach, I was on vacation with my
sister and she was, we justwent there to chill out for a
week and and, and that's when Igot the results saying it was

(31:08):
metastatic melanoma.
And I was like what you know,how does that make sense?
And I guess I didn't reallyhear the word metastatic.
And it makes sense If you havewhat does that mean, it means it
moved, and it's not good.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
It's a spread of an original cancer.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And anytime a cancer spreads, meaning it can spread
anywhere, then you know whoknows, you know, is this the
first stop it made?
But it made no sense to mebecause and it still does it,
and they can't and they can'treally explain it that you could
, 11 years, have no othermelanomas, which I never.

(31:48):
I've had other things taken offmy body but none of it has been
melanoma.
So how do you have one thatafter 10 years I celebrated like
, ooh, I'm cancer free.
And for it to show up?
And I and I still don't think.
I think when they do thesurgery and actually take it out
, you know they'll be able tofigure out exactly.

(32:11):
You know how did it get there?
Because they were looking for askin lesion and the melanoma
starts on the skin cancer.
So, if there was another site,which I was kind of hoping for.
I was kind of hoping they'dfind something that was another
site that they'd be like oh, itcame from here.
So, boom, if we cut this out,that's the end of it.

(32:31):
Where, if it's, if it'smetastatic and it came from this
site, who knows, you know whereelse it could have gone?
But I did have a PET scan andit didn't go.
I've had MRIs.
It's so interesting, like inthe first, so to say, find it
like it's just a whirlwind ofappointments and scans and you

(32:53):
know you go to see every doctorin the world very overwhelming.
But what I realized is that I'mjust really lucky that they
found a quick, because it seemslike from a PET scan where they
do your whole body it's only inthis one spot, so right.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
And how long do you wait for PET scan results?
Is that pretty immediate?
Oh, a couple days A couple days, and what I was just going to
say is you know, if you landedhome in May and started making
these appointments, did you justdo a walk-up mammogram or were
you able to get in?
Because I know a lot of peoplestruggle to get an appointment,
like in the next six months,when they when they start trying

(33:31):
to schedule.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I used to always do the month of October because
it's, you know, breast cancerawareness.
So that's the way I alwaysremember like, oh, I got to get
my appointment, but you alwayshave to make your appointment a
year a year and a day after yourlast one.
So suddenly I was running out oftime.
Well, last year, so interestingthough, because last year I

(33:55):
couldn't make it in Octoberbecause we were in Italy.
Excuse me, but that'sinteresting because it may not
have even been there.
And a year later that I wouldbe looking at.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
And I remember in January going, oh, I missed my
mammogram, and trying to get anappointment and I couldn't.
You know that few weeks that Iwas home before I left again and
then I was like, oh no, biggie,I'll just wait till I get back
in, you know the spring, and Iguess you're just like, wow, the
way everything worked out.
I don't think they would havecaught it.

(34:34):
Who knows, you know, back inOctober, right.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
And like two things are striking me.
One I'm so glad you're sharingthis because the importance of
no matter what part of the worldI mean, you were in Asia, you
were in Italy it is so importantto touch base once a year with
your health.
Yeah, Because you're feelingfine, there's nothing wrong with
you, it was simply caught onimaging.

(34:58):
And the other thing is that Ido think in recent years that
all of the hospital systems andlabs have to have no appointment
walk up mammograms.
Now it might only be like fromthree o'clock to five o'clock
every Thursday, but for anybodywho is concerned and cannot get
an appointment and get in, lookinto that for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, yeah, and sometimes you have to wait
because I have done the walk upbefore, and sometimes you have
to wait, but it is, you know, soimportant.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
I mean, you're living proof that you can't, you know,
put that off.
And there's one of our studentsat yoga who you know I won't
obviously divulge her name herebecause we're all about the
HIPAA but she too went for amammogram and something was
caught that was not breastcancer, it was a tumor or a cyst

(35:50):
on her chest wall and sheneeded to have surgery.
And she never would have knownif she hadn't gone for her
annual mammogram.
And it was unrelated, but it'sjust another opportunity to scan
that area.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
So I feel very lucky.
That kind of that series ofevents, you know, led them to
discovering it early and that'swhat they, you know, kept
telling me, and that I'm healthy, and that's the hardest thing
to wrap your head around.
It's like all my blood work,you know, came back like so good
.
Even though I travel I thought,oh, my sodium and all that

(36:24):
stuff's probably crazy, and itwasn't at all.
My blood works all good, butthey're telling me I'm sick.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's the hardest thingsometimes to wrap your head
around, but luckily I do takecare of myself and I exercise
and I do all this stuff, so mybody's set up to receive you
know the medication that they'regiving me to fight this.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
So and that is so true.
That's what you know.
Robin Quivers, howard Stearns.
You know I don't want to sayside kick, because that's not
the case, but years and yearsago she kind of went on a health
kick and lost a lot of weightand everything was wonderful.
And then she was diagnosed withcancer and the criticism was

(37:08):
well, you know, that's what youget for that.
And she said no, like thiswould have killed me if I hadn't
gotten healthy first to be ableto tolerate and be strong
enough for treatment andrecovery.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Mary Beth, that's so true.
I feel like people take it oneway or another.
Some people look at themselvesand go, oh my God, I've got to
get healthy.
If someone who's been doing allthis stuff and taking care of
themselves got this, I betterwatch it.
Or you get the other side who'slike well, who cares then?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Because obviously right, the guy was jogging and
he had a heart attack, so whyshould I bother?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yes, and it's so wrong because if you come from
like that's what my doctor hadsaid if your body's robust which
you know, not sure I like thatword, but it's, you know I feel
like I am Right.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Mary Beth's robust I'm robust.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
If your body is robust, you could fight it much
better then, because if you lookat all the side effects and
everything of the cancertreatments, you know it can be
overwhelming and just knowingthat you're coming from a place
of no, I got this you know thisis going to be a good path for
me.
It's going to come out in apositive way and the positive

(38:21):
thinking that you should havethat it is going to be.
I think I had one day of justreally you know where I cried
and I was like so upset.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's just such a punch in the gut and unexpected.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It is and you just think of like gosh, I'm not a
grandmother yet, my kids aren'teven married and all that kind
of stuff.
But then that was it and it waslike no, I got this Like in my
mind.
I was like, how could this be?
I am healthy, I just take careof myself.
So so, just knowing that, Ihave that to fight.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
What are the next steps?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I did start immunotherapy, which is another
really good news is that thetreatment of cancers has changed
so much over the past 11 yearsthat I've had it Now the first
one.
They took it out surgically,took a big chunk of my arm out
and the margins were great andgreat, one and done, didn't even

(39:20):
have to take anything.
Radiation, no.
Chemo, no, nothing.
This time it's immunotherapy,which is different than
chemotherapy.
It doesn't have the awful sideeffects that chemotherapy has.
It's got some side effects, butit actually teaches your body
to fight this itself.
So it's boosting your immunesystem so you are able to fight

(39:44):
off the cancer itself.
So I've already had twotreatments of that.
It's an infusion.
So far, so good.
A little bit of fatigue is allI've been experiencing.
So I think I'm very lucky atthat.
Knock on wood.
And then I am going to havesurgery.
I know because I was kind oflike, well, what if I do this

(40:07):
and the tumor shrinks?
Can I avoid surgery?
And he's like, yeah, butthere's, it could be microscopic
stuff in this that couldsuddenly move on to another part
of your body.
So he's like, yeah, you couldmaybe put off surgery for a
while, but eventually you needto have surgery.
So I was like, okay, so the endof the month I'm going to have

(40:27):
surgery and then I'm supposed tohave the immunotherapy for a
year.
So nine infusions.
And I said once again, well,what if can I just do six of
them?
Like you get the good margins.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And he's like, let's get this over with.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I've got to go back to Italy and I also feel like I
also am a little nervous aboutputting this stuff in my body
because of the long term it canstay with you.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's like let's say you feel good, you know, if you
don't feel sick so you can'tlike, there's probably some part
of your brain that's like whydo I have to plan out another
year of this when I feel great?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah.
I mean it is such a Sophie'schoice, Like yes.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
But based on the clinical trials.
You, you, you should it.
Of course you can do whateveryou want, but based on clinical
trials.
It was a year of infusionsurgery and this, you know, this
should wrap it up.
So now they're calling cancerlike a chronic disease.
It can be managed.

(41:31):
It's not death sentence, likeyou know, and I thought about
that right away I go.
Oh my God.
I've known so many peoplewho've had breast cancer and are
moving on with their life likeyou know or other.
So to me right away I was like,well, wait a minute, other
people are alive, so I'm sureI'm going to be okay and I think
that's the way that you have tothink about it.

(41:52):
So that was good news.
To think about it, mydaughter's boyfriend, his mom,
is an oncology nurse, so she'sbeen so helpful and she was the
one who told me like we went tothis seminar and said, you know,
hey, you know, cancer is nolonger.
It's a chronic.
It can be classified kind of asa chronic disease and it's

(42:13):
something you might have to livewith, but you can live.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, you just manage it as it changes.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, so tweaking, you know it's so funny because
you think about you know, somany people are like, oh, what
did you do, you know, to?
You know, what lifestyle didyou change to?
It's like, well, nothing,really, because we eat a lot of
plant based and, well, I cutback on drinking, you know,
because I'm like, okay, thisdrug is going to tax my liver,

(42:43):
so why have you know otherthings taxing my liver Besides,
yeah, besides that, like youknow, trying to stay active,
which, you know, living here isvery easy, you know, first of
all, I moved, which actually wasa great distraction because I
it was easy to keep busyunpacking boxes and, you know,

(43:03):
rearranging things and stufflike that, but just the
walkability of this neighborhoodmakes me feel like okay, and
riding my bike and all that kindof stuff.
So I get treatments every sixweeks, which is kind of nice too
, because you really can forgetabout it.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
The first week Not an every week thing yeah.
Yeah, or a lot of people gothrough every three weeks and
stuff.
So you know, based on you knowwhat kind of cancer you have and
where it is.
So I am fortunate that it'slike every six weeks and I kind
of forget about it.
Once again, cleveland Clinic is15 minutes away, so that's nice
.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
There's a maybe the maybe the best argument ever for
Cleveland Ohio is our hospitalsCleveland Clinic and University
.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Well, so, mary, about to that point, I was like, well
, you know, I was talking to mysister who works for hospitals,
and she's like, shouldn't I geta second opinion?
And that, even you know, myfriend Debbie was like you're at
the Cleveland Clinic, like youare so lucky.
And I was like, oh, like I'vealways been with the Cleveland
Clinic, so to be not realizingyou know that, wow, you're right

(44:11):
you age and Cleveland Clinicare two of the best hospitals
for cancer care.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Right you know so so will you be staying in Cleveland
till all that's done, or willyou be traveling in between your
six week?
When should that wrap up?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, we're trying to decide, because I'm only two
treatments down and the surgerymight keep me a little bit, but
next week we are going toFlorida for like four days and
then we're like once again,since it's six weeks, you know,
can we go somewhere for a monthwhen the weather's bad and kind

(44:49):
of?
You know, yes, we can't go toAsia or far away.
We want to be very close, Idon't know.
We're trying to decide that too.
As long as I stay healthy andfeel good, why not?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
So if you can get back to Cleveland pretty easily,
then you should be in goodshape, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And bottom line is we could, you know, hang out in
Florida for a while, becauseCleveland Clinic is there and I
could get my treatments there,but I guess we're going to
Florida forever.
So yeah some different places.
So, so not sure what that lookslike, yet I want to get through
the surgery and see.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
There's all the Caribbean islands.
You know like that, thosearen't far from Florida.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
They could hang it from a coconut tree.
You're at your infusion.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
How's the infusion?
Does that?
Does that like where you out?
For you know?
No, it's probably stressful,but it isn't a sense that.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
But it's just a half hour infusion and then they kind
of flush it with saline andactually, yeah, I get home and I
sleep good that night.
But like we normally like gofor a walk or something, next
day we go for a hike and Ireally was planning on just like
laying, being a couch potatolike the day after, but it
doesn't feel natural, like Idon't feel like I need that, so

(46:10):
so not at all.
So fortunate for that, alsostaying high.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
How many years has it been since Dennis retired and
you took your first big trip to?
I think Thailand was your first.
Oh no, was it Costa Rica?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
No, it was Thailand, yeah, and I think it was like
five.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, so you graduated from teacher training
in 2017, and it was like at thebeginning of 2018 that you were
gone for three months, for threemonths.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Oh, there you go.
You remember better than I do.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
So and what?
The reason I asked that isbecause you know this is the
very illustration of why that,if you can, you should seize the
day.
You've been traveling your assoff for five years and loving
every minute of it and nowyou've got a little bump in the

(47:03):
road that might stall you for afew months, or even you know
some of your reallyinternational travel for a year
before you get back at it.
But if you, you know if peoplewait, the time might never seem
right.
And now look what you mighthave missed.
And now, what if you hadn'tgone?
And now there's a diagnosis andyou're like, oh, I'll never get

(47:25):
there now, I'll never get toThailand.
They have all that deliciousThai food.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Right.
And I've always we've alwayssaid that.
We've always said like we'redoing this while we're healthy
and on the youngish side of it,yeah.
Yes, so happy we have.
But I really think you knowthere's still more to come.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
But this just means that our international audience
is going to stay stagnant for awhile.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Possibly.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But dots and buzzsprout that tell us where
we've been listened to at our go.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
We might not even be an international podcast.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
No, because there's that girl in Canada that loves
us.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
That's awesome.
We were like thinking of likethis spring we were going to go
you're going to love this choiceto Nepal and our our
destination was Annapurna BaseCamp, which is Annapurna is one
of the largest mountains in theworld.

(48:26):
But we were just going to hiketo the base camp, take our time,
and we were planning, I think,on like a 12 day hike and like
that everything was going tokind of focus around there.
So what do we got to do to getto Nepal?
Where are we going to visitbeforehand and stuff.
And then April was going to belike we're going to do this hike

(48:47):
and you know something that Iheard about years ago and I was
like, oh, that's so interesting.
But if you go with like ahiking group, they're like
hiking 10 hours a day to andgetting a quick.
Well then we saw some YouTuberswho took their time, because you
can stay in little huts all theway, little village, almost all

(49:08):
the way up, but it would be avery challenging thing.
But we could take our time andif we got, you know, altitude
sickness and had to stay at oneplace for a couple of days, we
could.
So we were going to do our ownlittle thing and that's still on
the books, but it probablywon't be until, you know, 25,

(49:29):
2025, because I don't know thatI could.
I'm definitely not at thatlevel and I'd have to train a
little bit harder.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Yeah, and you want it to be fun.
I mean yes.
If hiking hard 10 hours a dayto get to the destination isn't
fun for you, then you know whydo that.
So we've all seen ReeseWitherspoon in Wild.
We know how that goes.
You got to take it as it comes.
Figure your stuff out I haven'tseen it.
No, you what?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Did you read the book ?
Yeah, I read the book.
I always feel like the moviesruin the.
You know like the books alwaysso much better.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
So true, it's not as good as the book.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I watch so little anything, so I haven't seen most
things.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But like something like that that she did was very
cool too, and God, she did thaton her own.
You know, in the mountains Icouldn't imagine that, but I
would just like, I would love tosee the Himalaya Mountains.
I just think that would beamazing, amazing.
So yeah that'll be our nexttrip, whenever we decide or big
trip, whenever we decide to hitthe road again.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So and is your family freaked out?
Sometimes it's so hard to be inthe passenger seat when
somebody's been diagnosed withsomething.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yes, and I and I love that a lot of them have checked
their own health.
That's why I thought, you knowand I was debating so much about
you know, do I?
I didn't really want to postsomething on Facebook, but I
kind of wanted people to know,like, oh my gosh, like I am so
lucky that I found this when Idid, and how I people need to.

(51:06):
You know, learn from that, andespecially now that it's October
, this is a great time to getthis message out.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
you know whether it's breast cancer, getting your
colonoscopy, so many of thesethings you just told us.
You can't feel this thing.
It's so tiny, and waiting evena year for most of these things
can really be the difference,sure, between something really
major and something that's stillsmall enough to kick its ass

(51:33):
quickly.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Absolutely so.
I think that and funny, like,and it's funny, like some of the
people in my family that arealready healthy are the ones
that right away went oh, I'mgoing to the, you know, skin
doctor.
And then there's some peoplewho, like, are still smoking and
stuff, and you're like, can youget an idea that your sister,
who's healthy, is having thisissue?

(51:56):
But you know, and once again,you know, people take whatever,
but my, you know, my family'sbeen so supportive.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
And now of course I'm sure they're worried, but it
has to make them feel good thatyou're positive and you and that
you guys are so healthy.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah.
We even even you sharing.
This came about kind ofserendipitously because out of
the blue, joyce texted the twoof us and said can we finally
get together for lunch?
It's been too long.
We set this lunch date and itwas supposed to be this.
It was supposed to be today.

(52:33):
And then a couple of days ago,joy said I can't make lunch work
.
I'm so sorry, but hey, wouldyou be remotely interested in
doing the podcast with us in themorning instead?
And you were like, yeah, Iwould, and I should tell you
guys something first.
And you told us about yourdiagnosis and I said so you're
telling us because this issomething you want to stay away

(52:56):
from or something you want toshare?
And you said, no, it'sdefinitely something I want to
share.
And here's why and it's whatyou just said Like all these
things coming together kind ofaccidentally, if not, for that
might have a very differentoutcome.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
So, if any one person, if itmakes one person just go and get
their checkups that they should, and even like melanoma is, can
be hereditary.
So even both my kids are likegoing to the dermatologist and
making sure.
I for went to the dermatologist.
I was 50 years old, isn't thatcrazy?

(53:32):
Yeah, I too.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I went at 50, I'm 54 now and now I go every year.
And you might be part of thereason why Because I remember
the scar on your arm in yoga andas we get older, all these
weird ass moles pop up.
So I you know.
I mean they don't make you geton the scale there, but they do
walk around you naked, which ispossibly even more fun.

(53:55):
So I go to a female because Ionly I only let men walk around
me naked in the bedroom.
But yeah, there's so manythings about your health to
consider.
And did you with your firstmelanoma?
You found a bumper, a lamp or amole.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
No, and actually because I was showing the
surgeon at Cleveland Clinic thatmy first melanoma wasn't even
like atypical.
It was like a red patch, like alittle heart shaped thing, and
it got scaly, like a little bitdry and flaky, and it was my

(54:33):
50th birthday and my sister waslike you should get that checked
out.
And I go, I know, I actually,you know, realize like ooh, it's
a skin change, that could besomething.
And then when the doctor did it, he's like, oh, I don't think
that's anything.
But you know, let's do a little, take a little biopsy.
And then he calls me at workI'll never forget it and he was
like this is melanoma, like I'mshocked.

(54:55):
And from there we went, youknow, but I used to cover my
scar all the time, like at work.
I covered it.
No one ever knew.
Even when I went.
I used to always go shopping atthis one place and I was
friends with this you know girlwho worked there, the manager,
and she was like she didn't seeit for years and she was like I
never saw that scar.
I go, yeah, I always tried tohide it and then my doctor was

(55:18):
like you shouldn't hide it,cause you could say someone's
life If they saw that and youtell your story like, hey, I had
this, not a typical melanoma.
And you know, once again thatwas by chance that cause it
honestly didn't look likeanything.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Right, and even the doctor thought it didn't look
like anything.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yes, and but that's why this time I was like, oh, I
probably need to share and tell,and you know so.
I'm not afraid to tell people,because no?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
And I think that's wonderful and I did like I said.
I did see your scar and I don'tknow if I ever asked about it.
I typically wouldn't ask, butmaybe at some point you said
something and that maybe when Idecided to, really, you know, go
go get seen naked.
And it's funny, even if youlook online and they show you
all these different moles, it'shard to see the difference for

(56:10):
me.
Anyway, like you think you canlook what, let me look at my
mole and look online at thesepictures.
Does it look like this?
That's okay.
If it looks like that, it's notokay.
And I'm like wait what?
I can't really tell thedifference.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
So- so you go to the doctor.
Yes, the expert, the expert,for sure, for sure, but once
again, like if you can just letone person you know get out
there and you know go.
Oh, I've been putting upbecause I think we all do that,
especially like coloscopy orsomething.
Geez, who wants to do that?
But, you know, it's one ofthose things that you just got

(56:41):
to do, so-.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
And those little polyps are so slow growing that
if they find a polyp and it'spre-cancerous it's no problem.
But if you don't go and fiveyears goes by.
It's cancer and it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, but it's so funny I have tweaked a few
things.
Like you know, I do tumoricginger shots, take tumoric
supplements.
My husband and I have beendoing cold plunging.
Have you heard about coldplunging?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, we've been doing it.
Yeah, we've been doing it.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
It's so funny.
We do it Right now.
We're using our bathtub andjust fill it with ice, we freeze
like two milk jugs, and youknow what?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
At first it's very hard to do, but once you're
doing it, because it's supposedto be so good for inflammation
in your body- Everybody sayslike when you start it's so
shocking, but then after youbuild a little bit of tolerance,
you're like, okay, this isn'tas bad.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
And it's a big deal.
We're gonna need a biggerbathtub over here.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Well, and it's hard to maintain in your bathtub.
So we do wanna get somethingand we're gonna get something
for, like, our rooftop, becausethe dopamine that you get, like
when you get out of that thing,you're like, woohoo, like I can
conquer this day.
I have energy, like you went,and that's after, like you know,
three or four minutes.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Right and that you know.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
So I try to do that every day because we just found
like, okay, inflammation issomething that's, you know, if
it persists to my body, that'sonly gonna perpetuate, you know,
the cancer.
So let's see if we could dosomething about that.
But yeah, I love it.
Love it.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
How about autophagy?
Have you explored that at all,with intermittent fasting?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yes, so I do try to do that.
Like you know, I just byskipping breakfast and then you
know eating.
You know just two meals a day,or even snacks, whatever.
But yes, so that, like I swear,let me listen to another Joe
Rogan podcast.
And what can I implement in mylife?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
I was gonna say, though, you're doing everything
you can possibly do, and thatthat's not only obviously
excellent for your healthoutcome, but it's good for your
family to see that you're,you've got this and you're
taking care of this.
Like you said, it's sometimesfrustrating when our loved ones,
with or without a diagnosis,continue to maybe smoke or to

(59:11):
not exercise or do things youknow, leave things on the table
that they could be doing to helpthemselves.
That makes you a littlefrustrated and angry, so at
least you're not doing that toyour kids.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
It gets and you're right about getting angry, Like
sometimes I just like, you know,and I shouldn't it's their life
.
But you're just like, oh mygosh, I've just had this flash
before me and I'm gonna doeverything I can so that I can
live a healthy life, and whichthey predict you can.
They're like, oh, you knowyou're gonna be able to live
with this.

(59:42):
You know it may disappear.
I, you know.
They say you could becancer-free.
I'm not sure I believe that,because it happened to show up
again for me, so I'm not sureI'm gonna ever believe that, but
just knowing that I can livethe rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, as a manageable situation, like people have
asthma or COPD or whatever it isyou have it until you know a
ripe old age.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yes, but I am reading that book by Joe Dispenza.
It's called you Are a Placeboand it's so true, the Positive
Thinking, and I guess anytime Ihear like someone asked me a
question about that, I go well,it is just positive thinking,
it's my, and I guess I've alwaysbelieved that my whole life,
that you know, anytime I felt alittle sick I was like, eh, it's

(01:00:28):
nothing, I'm okay, you know,whether it be cold, flu,
whatever and I think if you dohave a positive attitude, like I
, get up every day grateful forthis day I did that before my
diagnosis you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
And I have Ding, ding ding.
That's the important part.
You did that before yourdiagnosis, so that's why we do
it.
It puts you in that frame ofmind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
But I love this book that it's pretty much saying
like, whatever you're thinking,you know you're gonna survive
this or not survive this, but ifyou get your brain in the right
place of just being, I'm gonnasee myself.
After this diagnosis, afterthis year, I'm seeing myself
climbing that mountain.
This is how you know it's gonnahappen and I just really

(01:01:15):
believe in that.
And this book tells all thesestories about people that you
know were told they had aterrible disease or something
and it ended up maybe theydidn't and they died because
they just thought, oh my God, Ihave this terrible disease or
whatever.
So there's all kinds of goodstories, you know, kind of
alarming stories, but the bottomline is mind over matter.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I'm gonna think of you right now, like our beloved
Hinkley Lake in the Metro Parks.
You know they're closing itright about now.
Yes, they're gonna dredge itand they're gonna fix the dam
and they're gonna fix everythingup around it and it's not gonna
be open next year for all thosefull paddleboard services and
kayaking and everything, but theyear after that it's gonna be
and it's gonna be amazing.
So that's what I'm gonna thinkof you.
You're Hinkley Lake right now.

(01:01:56):
Get in the re, get in theoverhaul.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I am getting the overhaul, great, yeah.
But I am very, yeah, verypositive, wake up and meditate
every day.
I meditate in the cold plungeas much as I can, because it
kind of brings me back, likefirst you get in and you're just
like freezing, freezing,freezing, and then you're just
like, okay, just listen, justlisten, just listen, you know,
and that really helps.

(01:02:21):
So it's just like jumping inLake Erie.
So in a few, you know, months,I'll just be able to walk out
there and jump in and there's mycold plunge.
You know how does yourmeditation I go in the bathtub.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I'm sorry, I'd stick with the bathtub.
Yeah, I know right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I'm picturing me and Jeff giants and any sort
of receptacle full of ice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
No, like I am lucky that I can just yeah, being five
foot tall, like I can justslide down under, you know, and
I'm fine.
My sister actually had anamazing bathtub.
It was nice and long, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I saw something on Amazon not that long ago.
I'm gonna see if I can find itright now.
That was like this cold.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I'm sure there's like an inflatable thing you can buy
.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yes, it was really like relatively cheap.
It was like 80 bucks orsomething and it was very let's
see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
So.
What you need, patty, is foryour rooftop you need a hot tub
and then the cold plunge next toeach other, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Well, I was even thinking the sauna.
Like I would love to get youknow the cold plunge.
I know for sure we're gonna dosomething there, but it would be
nice to have a sauna then too,to kind of supposedly both of
those together can be reallygreat for you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, you can get something right around $100.
That is not, you know, like thesuper fanciest, but it's very
like the ice tub bath forathletes, like you know.
It kind of looks like a biggarbage can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I mean it does.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
But like you don't really need, you're not gonna
need a fancy thing, you're justgonna jump in for four minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Exactly, and athletes have been doing this forever
and you know it's so interesting.
Once again, I tell my sisterabout it.
She starts doing it cause she'sa runner.
You know, my other sister triedit and it's just funny how you
tell things stories like thatand suddenly you know people you
know are trying it cause it'sworking for me.
We were at dinner the one nightand the people behind us some

(01:04:17):
of them he was like I'm gettinga cold punch and a sauna.
I turned around because I waslike what?
Like it's just funny how youknow I mean he obviously was
spending big bucks getting bothof them, but it was just
interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah, and like your consciousness is heightened
about something, so suddenly youdo hear it.
Maybe that's true, if you'relooking for a yellow house.
You see a bunch of yellowhouses, and so it's yeah, it's
something weird how thathappened.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
It's so bizarre how that happens.
I think I'm like geez crazyyeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Crazy and good.
That's the sharing.
We're all connected.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
It's funny on Amazon I search cold plunge tank, so I
got some tank tops as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
A tank top to wear during your cold plunge.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, I don't know if it's even worth it at that
point.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
No, that's gonna do nothing for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, yeah, Wow, that's a lot.
Patty, I'm glad that you're insuch a positive place and that
you're also in your house oryour townhouse where you can
relax a little bit and not haveto worry about like I'm sure you
don't worry because you haven'thad a home for two and a half

(01:05:33):
years.
Obviously, you're verycomfortable not having that home
base, but maybe things fellinto place for a reason so that
you don't have to stress at allabout moving things around and
getting from place to place.
Rumor has it you have a car now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yes, I do, it's so funny.
Yeah, got a car.
So I was like and what's funnyis then I find, like, now that
we're living here, like there'sso many days that I just don't
even drive it because I amwalking or riding my bike.
You know, rode my bike to theWest Side Market yesterday.
It's about a mile and a halfaway, or maybe it's like two
miles away, but it's funny.
But you know, it is nice tohave be able to go wherever.

(01:06:12):
But interesting, joyce, you justsaid that that things fell into
place because I kept thinkingto myself like why, what less am
I supposed to learn?
You know, why is there thispause?
Like I've been having so muchfun, you know, traveling around
the world, you know, dennis andI have been having a great time
and I feel like I'm a goodperson and I take care of people

(01:06:35):
.
And I was like, what am Isupposed to learn?
Like, why is my life pausinglike this?
And just interesting that youjust said that it happened now,
when I do have a house where Ican chill and be 15 minutes away
from the Cleveland Clinic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
And there were so many delays in that house being
finished Like it was supposed tobe almost a year ago, right,
yeah, and it took till now,because that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Italy went from oh, two weeks to oh, let's just go
stay there.
Then, if this isn't, gonna getbuilt, you know.
But once again and you can'thelp but ask yourself that
question about, like okay, notso much why me?
But I know there's somethingI'm supposed to learn from this.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I don't know that it's really a pause.
You just your route gotdiverted a little bit.
You know what I mean, becauseyou're already talking about
where can we go within these sixweeks and although you guys
really love traveling and thatmay define you right now, that
doesn't define you overall.
It's not like you're gonna stopliving and sit around and just

(01:07:36):
worry about this, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Yes absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
And who knows what will unfold during this pause?
Maybe you're gonna have agrandchild.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Maybe you'll teach them yoga classes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
I see Patty going but nobody's married.
Yeah, I was like Mary Beth Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Beth, don't say that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Do you know something ?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That doesn't matter anymore, although you know what
it doesn't.
And I wouldn't care yes,absolutely I wouldn't care.
But you know I do teach yoga.
I have my little group of youknow that we go down to Lakewood
Park and the weather's beengood and actually we can do it
here once the weather changes.
But I have been teaching and Ijust think doing yoga has just
been such a godsend and beingyou know, knowing how to

(01:08:16):
meditate and those kinds ofthings.
I just remember the morning ofmy first treatment like I went
and sat in the grass to begrounded and I meditated and,
you know, did all the things Icould to prepare my body for,
you know, this drug that wasgonna come into my body to help
save my life, you know.
So, yes, but I often think ofthat like now.

(01:08:38):
I always said that once I get ahouse, like I'll have to figure
out like, where can I teachyoga, what can I do?
And now it's like, well, waittill I get the surgery and
before I dedicate myself to youknow, a studio or something like
that you know, but we probablyhave told you that for the very
first studio we considered for ahot minute the yes yeah.

(01:09:02):
Better park.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Right.
Right across the way, yeah,which would have been really had
the potential of being reallycool, because the windows would
look at Edgewater and you know,it just been amazing.
There were just reasons thatthe we couldn't make sense of it
.
Like the parking wouldn't havebeen great, yeah, especially at

(01:09:26):
the sizes of classes that wewould need to have, and all of
that.
And we weren't looking inCleveland, like we weren't, that
wasn't.
We hung out in the areas but weweren't.
That wasn't where we wereplanning on exploring this.
And all of a sudden, the realestate agent that we were
working with was, like you know,my company has this space, let

(01:09:48):
me show it to you.
And like we knew, we knew whereit was, we knew it would be
cool.
And then, when we actually gotin it, we're like, yeah, that'd
be amazing, but the restaurantsand businesses that had been in
there hadn't really had muchsuccess.
And it got to a point where,like very quickly, where the
building owner was offering ussuch a cheap deal that I think

(01:10:09):
was going to be $5 a square footuntil that road that you just
showed us outside your townhousewas built so that people could
get in and out more.
Like it was almost like theywere giving it to us, and that's
when we were like yeah, we'reout, because that's never a good
sign.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And you know what there's been so much
construction like and that'sbeen taking up a lot of the
parking even you know what Imean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Oh, we were the last like the construction's totally
done, so we're blessed that thathappened.
Like we're not living in aconstruction site where some
people have been, where this isnow like a finished neighborhood
, so a lot of those things, youknow.
We're really lucky that thathappened, where now I do think
of course, the price wouldn't bethe same choice, though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Not now, no.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
There's so many people that live here now.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Right, yeah, what's in that building?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
A restaurant so the terrestrial brewery and right
next to it.
Right, you mean a restaurantright into there?
Yeah, oh, A restaurantconnected to a restaurant.
I don't think it does thatgreat though.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Not sure, but I didn't I yeah, it should be a
little market or something youknow like yeah, there's your
side project, there's your sidehustle.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Patty's Market.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Patty's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
International Market Patty's branch of the West.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Side Market yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
You can open a meditation center on the top.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Or a cold lunch, yeah .

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Do you ever get confused?
Because this is new, your placeis new to you.
Are you ever like wait?
Which one is ours?

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
No, no, no, I get confused driving, though, and
that's always been a thing.
When we're back in town, wheream I?
How do I get to 71?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I always have to use that I like to really think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Even now I'm like it's not familiar.
I mostly go 90.
But like when I go to hang outwith my mom on Tuesdays, I'm
like, wait, how do I get to herplace again, I have to go up to
70.
How do you get to 71?
So it's just funny.
Like you know, growing up Igrew up in, you know, cleveland
area.
I should know these things.
But no, I'm always like thenI'm sailing by Lakewood Park or

(01:12:21):
something, because I just, youknow it's not familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
So, what kind of car did you?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
How is your mom?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Oh, my mom's good.
She's doing really good, yeah,how old is she?
Now 84.
Wow Does she go to Charioga.
Yeah, she goes to.
I take her to Charioga, I forceher to go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
You're doing Charioga and you're going to like it.
Yes, what kind of car did youend up getting?
I'm curious because of all yourtravel, I'm wondering.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Well, that's what's funny.
Like I totally was going to geta sedan, I've been talking
about it for two years since Isold my other car, I'm going to
get it.
And then suddenly I was like Isaw a Bronco Sport and I just
kept seeing them and I was likethat is such a cute little thing
and we're going to be movingand I want to be able to take
our bikes like to Cincinnati andwe could put a hitch on that,

(01:13:16):
you know.
And so that's what I got I endedup getting.
I said to Dennis I go you'regoing to think this is really
strange because I've reallynever had an SUV or anything
kind of like that but I go, gosh, I just think, I feel like, and
I love it, it's a cute little,it's not a SUV, but we put a
hitch on it so we can take ourbikes different places, you know

(01:13:36):
, not just always riding aroundEdgewater or the towpath.
Yeah, so funny and it workedout great because we're always
lugging stuff places, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, that's interesting.
So I think you had a Cadillacbefore, right?
So that's a little.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Well, I've had that and I've had it at Lincoln MKZ.
Yeah, it's totally like mydaughter's, like what it's like.
It doesn't seem like I go, yeah, but it is like we hike and we
bike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
You know, dennis has a luxury car.
We don't need two of them.
Like, if we're going somewherefancy, we drive, fancy car,
we're going for a hike, you know, or we're driving to the
mountains, you take the otherone.
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
It does, it does.
How are your kids?
They're great, they're doing.
They're both doing really good.
My daughter was talking aboutmoving to Charlotte and they
were set to be moving.
They want to move before fall.
But then, when this happened,my daughter's like I'm not
moving away.
I'm, you know, ben and I aregoing to stay here.
I know she's like mom, I'mgoing to want to be at your

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appointments and stuff.
And why would I be in Charlottewhen I'm in Cincinnati?
That's four hours away.
You know I'm not going to moveeight hours away.
And I was like don't do that,don't do that.
She's like no, I'm doing it.
So they're looking to.
You know, I think they're goingto after I get through surgery,
as long as everything goes well.
Yeah, because I'm going to beleaving the country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Right Bye.
Enjoy Cincinnati, Amanda,because I'm going to be back in
Asia.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Right, yeah.
So I'm like you know, pleasedon't hold yourself back.
And my son had just bought ahouse in Cincinnati too, so
they're both doing really well,still waiting for someone to get
married, but you know, it allhappens in time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, I can imagine you planning a wedding that were
being the mom of the mom, thebrighter groom, I should say
shouldn't say planning a wedding, because that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
That would be like whatever you want me to do, but
make your own decisions, becauseyou know it's not crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
You know, it's actually so different now.
It's almost less crazy Weddingsand funerals, like everybody
just now does a little more ofwhat they want instead of what
they're expected to do.
So I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I love that.
I do too.
We just went to one in NorthCarolina and it was an
entrapment, beautiful, you know,a farm, chicken tea farm, and
it was just, you know, so quaintand very.
I'm sure it was expensive though, because I think, you know,
even though it's not a farm, itwas a beautifully manicured farm
.
It had little miniature pomiesand stuff like that, yeah, but

(01:16:24):
very cute.
So I agree, I feel like peopleare doing more so what they want
instead of I can't.
I don't know the last time wewere at a church, you know, for
a Catholic wedding, which seemsso strange, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
That's a great point.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, Everyone's having these little, you know
destination kind of thingsOutside, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
So what's Dennis been up to?

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Same as me, cole Plungeon.
You know he plays pickleball alot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Mary Beth loves pickleball.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
You haven't played, you haven't been bitten by the
pickleball.
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
And I was like he taught me how to play and you
know kind of, but I didn't.
I need to find a group that Icould play with, because these
guys sound pretty competitiveand stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
But yeah does he play international pickleball.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
You know it's so funny.
We were in Mexico and they weretalking about pickleball, the
one restaurant we were at.
They the girl had just won apickleball tournament.
We were like there's pickleballin Mexico, yes, but no, we
haven't played anywhere there.
But he plays, you know, acouple of times a week, or at
least once a week, and thengolfing, and you know putting
things together at the house.

(01:17:42):
You know like he's trying toput a fan to get like there's
just been all kinds of things atthe house to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
So I noticed when you , when you were showing us the
outside, we got to see a littlebit of the inside and it's it's
somewhat minimalist, which youtalked about before on the
podcast of like how you know howlight you travel, so how has
that affected you having apermanent residence now?

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Well, so what you're seeing, though, is that our
furniture just hasn't arrived.
Oh, got it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
So it is minimalist temporarily.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
We're sitting on the floor like they do in Asia.
Oh no, our couch just hasn'tgotten here yet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yes, no, but with that in mind, no, we don't plan
on filling things up, and evenwe have a nice big great room or
whatever they want to call it afamily room, but I don't think
I'm going to put a lot offurniture in it, because I like
the openness and spaciousness.
But that is something that kindof gave me anxiety, like the
cupboards, and Dennis and I werejoking, but we probably should

(01:18:39):
have done it.
We shouldn't have gone to ourone storage, we should have just
got rid of it, just got rid ofit, like we hadn't seen it in
two years, don't even know whatwas in it, and we should have
just not dealt with it.
Because this is, we got itwe're, of course, getting rid of
.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Still, I'm trying to get rid of furniture but I don't
want to, but anything thatwould work in the Strongsville
lobby.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Because we had what.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I'm just kidding.
We just painted theStrongsville lobby and we're
getting new furniture.
Oh, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
No, everything I have is big Like.
I haven't taken the Thunderthat I love and I thought for
sure it would look good in here,but it doesn't, because this is
a lighter, it's a lake house.
It's a lighter, you know, and Ihad this dark cherry wood kind
of stuff and nobody wants it.
So I'm, there's things I'mtrying to get rid of, but it was
so funny, my daughter was justso funny, like mom, you don't

(01:19:33):
need these three round cake pans.
And you know just like she wasvery like you know, throwing it
away.
Throwing it away, you know yougot two can opener, throw it
away.
You know stuff like that.
And so once I got everythingkind of where it went, I really
started, you know, cleaning outeven more and donating even more
after the fact, because I don'twant every cupboard to have

(01:19:53):
stuff in it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
And it's like our age too.
I was thinking about thisyesterday because I'm so much
better at getting rid of stuffnow, and then here I am
accumulating new stuff for ourmountain cabin that we're
building.
But when you're young, whenyou're twenties, you're like, oh
, I might use this someday.
I'm just going to need thissomeday, I might have this
someday.

(01:20:15):
And now, post 50, you're likewhat's ahead someday is a little
more foreseeable and I don'tthink I'm going to be needing a
second can, opener or whateverthe case may be.
So it's, it's interesting.
I mean, you do it innocentlyenough when you're young because
there is a chance you're goingto need it or use it or someone
will want it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
But then how many times like do you forget that
you have it and you buy anotherone because you actually do need
it, and you're like oh crap, Igot to go figure out how to do
this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And then, you know, a few months later, when you're
deep cleaning, you're like oh,yes, no, and I'm really going to
try not to do that stuffbecause I didn't want.
I don't want to accumulatestuff.
I do need more organizationalstuff because it is smaller, we
downsize and so we I have beenbuying some organizations stuff
just to keep, you know, but like, why do I have, like how many

(01:21:04):
sets of sheets?
Why you step four beds?
I don't have four beds now Igot two Right.
So yeah, and you know what,because I purged two years ago,
it's made it so much easier nowto be like I know I don't need
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
I just looked it up.
You haven't lived with it fortwo years.
You know like, and you're soused to, you're so used to
living lightly that it justseems, the idea seems heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I did that to some of my clothes.
Like I saw, this box haven'thad two years and I did just
give it away.
Another box, you know, anotherbox filled with stuff.
So there's certain boxes I justlooked at and was like I'm not
dealing.
Boom Shoes, A gazillion pairsof shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Well, and if there was like there's?
You know, there's nothing inthere that you absolutely loved,
otherwise you wouldn't have putit in the box.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Well, funny, my uh Amanda said that to me.
She was like mom, do you notbring anything in this house
that doesn't bring you joy?
And we had.
We thought sorry, we thought wewere going to use the tables
and stuff and then when I sawthem the next morning I was like
oh no, those aren't going to goGet rid of them, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
So are you just?
Are you donating?
Are you selling on Facebookmarketplace?
Are you throwing away?
I was trying to say yes and yes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
I was.
Yeah, I was trying to sell them, but I think I'll give it
another week because I reallydon't care so much about the
money that it's like I kind ofwould like it to go to someone
who needs it.
But I thought, like I wasthinking yesterday, if one
person inquires, I'm going to belike just come pick it up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Come pick it up, I'll be happy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Well, if you have any interest in it at all, it
should be yes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
It's more than just like making money you have to.
It's like getting rid of it.
That's a.
You know it's not easy to throwout a table or to even donate a
heavy table Right Like becauseyour Bronco may not be able to
handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
It won't be.
And it's funny.
I called all these churches andI called like even the
Cleveland Furniture Bank andthey were like sorry, yes, so if
you're like just come pick itup, but you have to have one of
these items that we need, we'llpick up everything, but if you
have to have a bed, it was allthe stuff that I didn't have.
Like they only come to pick itup if you have something that

(01:23:15):
they really need, which theydon't need tables or an
entertainment center.
But that's why I feel like somefamily would be happy to get
this stuff.
So, but I was thinking thatthat if someone because there
was all these saves there waslike 50 saves and I was like,
okay, somebody wants this Ifsomeone would just reach out and
be like just come get it, it'sfree.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I kind of wish you could message all the saves like
, hey, I just don't want thisstuff anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Yeah, and I say the best offer, I mean come and get
it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yes, and if I had a front lawn I would just put it
out on my front lawn.
But I really don't have much ofa front lawn, so you know, I
don't know, but yes, I'd have tosay it does get easier.
Just to you know, get rid ofstuff for sure, and what a
better way to live, not all thestuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Right, yeah, I need to throw some shit out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
It's a lot of static, a lot of stuff in your mind,
thinking of all the items, yeah,what?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
did they say Most people have like 30,000 items in
their home.
Yikes, yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
I know, when we go to you know like an Airbnb, which
we do every now and then,sometimes there's three forks
and three knives and they're noteven like great, they're kind
of those, the cheapest ones thatkind of bend when you use them.
Yeah, yeah, but they do thetrick and you and you wash them
and you don't.
Like we, yes, and it's just itmakes you think like, oh yeah,

(01:24:48):
the less you have, the more youhave to keep it clean and
organized, and it's easier.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Well, you got to do more dishes than Joyce is the
issue, so sometimes we fill upour dishwasher right with the
things that you got.
That's true, you got to run it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
That is true, and we have done that at Airbnb as we
feel like it's wasteful.
We're like, yeah, I've got thisabout a quarter of the way full
, but there's not much else toput in here.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
And I do have my coffee cup collection and there
is 200 or more cups and thereare.
They are still in.
They're down in our garagebecause I haven't decided, like
I said oh I want, I shoulddonate those, like not even look
at them, just donate thosebecause I don't have room and I
don't want to fill cupboards upwith you know, so I don't know

(01:25:37):
what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I want to have a coffee cup all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Yeah, I'm having a conversation with myself right
now because I'm sitting herelooking at the shelf where I
have a couple of knickknacks andI'm so not nickety knackety but
I know, like this one is aclown music box, that I know
that when I was like 12 orsomething my parents, my mom,
brought back from one of theirtrips.
She doesn't remember, shebought it for me.

(01:26:01):
I'm the only one who knows if Idropped dead.
Everybody's just going to belike what is this clown?
Nobody knows about me and sowhy am I hanging onto the item?
Same with this little, thislittle teddy bear knickknack and
it reminds me of there was this.
Everybody knows my basementfloods that's the fun of living
here on the 130.

(01:26:23):
And one flood.
I was just devastated because Ilost my box of Christmas
ornaments and I had loved everyyear decorating the tree,
opening up that box andremembering my friend Michelle
from California bought me thisone and I left the card attached
to it with all the nice thingsshe had written and my parents'

(01:26:45):
friends from growing up had goneto Frank and Moose, michigan
and bought me all these customornaments.
Bob and Lisa in Chicago hadbought us these just really
special, beautiful ornaments forour first Christmas together
and they were all just, they hadto be thrown away.
But I just told you the storyof every one of those ornaments

(01:27:06):
yeah, proving that I didn't needthe ornament at all.
Right, I didn't need thephysical thing.
I have the memory.
The ornaments are still in myhead, so we can let go of the
stuff and not let go of the factthat my mother brought me this
stupid clown music box back fromwherever they went in 1980.
Right, that's what I need tokeep reminding myself.

(01:27:28):
The item isn't it's dust, it'snothing that needs to be held
onto because you have the memoryor the thought or the intention
of what that was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
We were clearly raised like this, maybe because
things weren't as replaceable asthey are now.
I was very proud of myself theother day because when we were
painting and moving thingsaround in the Strong's Old Lobby
I wasn't happy about this, butthe two softball trophies in

(01:28:05):
that one corner fell andshattered.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Oh gosh On the concrete floor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yeah, I was like let's sweep it up and throw it
away.
James was like are you serious?
Yeah, because you know what'sgoing to happen.
Is one's already three yearsold and they're going to be in a
trophy box someday that nobodyknows what to do with, right?
We have photos and memories.
It's kind of fun to have thosein the studio, but again, it's

(01:28:32):
okay to not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
We still have the belt, we still have the stories
and when we tell the story andwe propagate the story but the
actual things have they have alifespan.
They should be there at first,but then everything does have a
lifespan.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Right, like it's over and trophies are fun, but I
don't know it was like okay,time to it's just kind of like
painting.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
I also came upon my ESP 2005 employee of the year
when I cleaned out this cupboard.
Should I get rid of thatbecause I kept it Right?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Like what do you do with that?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
You don't need it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
I'm getting rid of it .

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
Right now Because nobody cares about me anyway.
Do I think that mygrandchildren are going to
someday be like oh, she wasemployed the year 2005.
What did she do again?
I don't remember, Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
This is coming from a person who's dying to purge her
whole entire house and has notime for it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
I'm in a three year old really, really changes
things.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Oh my gosh, alina.
The video that James postedwhen he was singing here we go,
brownies, here we go, and shewas saying she would sing wheels
of the bus and he would say, no, that's not the same song and
she said it is the same.
You got to look forward if youhaven't seen it.
Patty on his Facebook orInstagram.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I will.
I messaged.
She's so cute.
I posted one a couple of daysago.
I had her in the park like lastFriday and she you know how you
guys might know they inpreschool or daycare, they or
somebody there's.
You can look it up on Spotify,but they'll use the Adam's
Family song to do days of theweek.

(01:30:18):
So there's.
Sunday and there's Monday,there's Tuesday and there's
Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Oh cute.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Tuesday, and there's Friday, and then there's
Saturday.
Well, somehow she has, it'scoconut, so you'll hear her
singing that she's got a stickand she makes up her own words.
And it's just really cute.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
She loves to sing, so she'll make a very grown up all
of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Yes, well, I told her through text.
I told Mary Beth about this theother day, but I think it was
Tuesday morning.
She asked me if I could get hersome cereal and I was like oh,
what kind of?
Yeah, I was like sure, whatkind would you like?
And she's like fucking cereal.
And she started laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
I told Joyce.
I said did you tell her to gether own fucking cereal?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yeah, it is so funny when you're eating.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
I was so shocked that I was.
I couldn't, I wanted to laughand I knew that was the wrong
thing and I couldn't sayanything.
And Ashley heard she wasgetting ready in another room
and she was like Alina, that isnot a good word and you know
that.
And I think she said thatsomebody in her class had said
it and then everybody thought itwas funny.
And now it's spread, you know,and because every kid in the

(01:31:29):
class probably has heard it andknows that it's a bad word, but
like yeah, so that's awesome andit's just coming out of her
mouth.
And then I had sent that in atext chain to my mom and my
brother and my nephew.
There was this one video theyhave where my sister and I told

(01:31:51):
him to clean up.
And this was like he's onlyseven now, so this was a few
years ago, and he was like hedoesn't like to clean up, you
know, and he was like looking athis toys, going, look at all
this shit, I don't want to cleanup all this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
But then there's the older ones, like Adelaide and
Kennedy, saying things like areyou going to do the sex on
vacation and pump your privatestogether Really?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Adelaide actually has said like do you guys do the
sex or something to my brother?

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
This is the sex.
How old are they?
They're nine already believe itor not?
Yeah, Wow, I know right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Adelaide and Kennedy are like very, very similar, not
just in age but in the thingsthat they say and things that
they do.
So do you know if she stillbelieves in Santa?

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Well, I believe.
So.
You know there's a lot of kidsin their neighborhood, so I'm
sure things are starting to gosideways.
But while we were there we losta tooth.
So the tooth fairy situationhad to happen, and she still so,
because Brandon and Kathleenwere out of town.

(01:33:07):
Some nights the kids slept intheir mom and dad's room because
we would watch you knowDeadliest Catch or something
together.
But she's like can you write anote?
Can we write a note and leaveit under my pillow?
So I said, sure, we wrote anote.
You know this is what roomKennedy's in tonight.
But when it was actually timeto go to sleep she wanted to go
back to her own bed.
So I do think she stillbelieved, or is testing the

(01:33:30):
theory.
So I waited till she was good.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Well, it's probably rough because, like they, still
want the money or the gift orwhatever.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
The money or the idea of it.
So then later, you know, I'mtrying valiantly to stay up late
and she's sleeping and I go inthere with my whatever $10 bill,
whatever it was, and her dooris creaky.
So I'm like, stop trying, wait,she's not waking up.

(01:33:59):
So I slipped the money quicklyunder her pillow, under her head
, but I couldn't immediatelyfeel the tooth and I wasn't
gonna risk waking her up, so Ijust left it.
And in the morning she foundthe money.
But she said but she didn'ttake the tooth.
And I said well, you know what?
She probably maybe, since yourmom and dad were gone and

(01:34:21):
thought that they wouldn't getto see it or something.
I mean I don't know whatbullshit I pulled out, but so,
and she does, of course, havestill a little brother who's
four.
So for sure, santa's gonna be athing in that house, but she
hasn't asked.
But I'm sure there's questionsnow, just cause there's always
those other kids that are moregrown up and trying to ruin each

(01:34:42):
other's lives.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
They figured out.
I remember saying well, my momhas really nice handwriting.
And so did Santa.
I mean, like nobody else hashandwriting like my mom, or at
least nobody that you know, Iknew at the time it was very,
it's very distinct, at least tome, and Santa has the very same
handwriting either that, or youknow printing like my dad, Right

(01:35:09):
I?

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
remember Amanda freaking out about the tooth
fairy Like she's like wait some,the tooth fairy's gonna come in
my room and go under my pillow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
She was like no, no, no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Yeah, it was.
It was a young age that I gowow.
She thought like that.
In the meantime we, as youngkids were like woohoo.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
Yeah right, we weren't scared of something
creeping into our room in themiddle of the night, so did you
like you could have set up atable outside her room?
Like here's my tooth.
Leave the money, don't come in.
Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
But think it like you know, santa's an old, hefty guy
with a beard.
You're gonna go sit on his lap.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Right, yeah, I don't think kids these days go for
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Yeah, right After every all the you know, all the
stuff we tell them to do allyear, and then we're like and go
sit on this stranger's lap andtell them what you want for
Christmas this creepy strangeryeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
It's kind of funny.
And then the tooth fairy andthe Easter bunny.
Yeah, it is fun though.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Yeah, same thing though.
You know Easter bunnydelivering your baskets.
The Easter bunny would hidethem in our house in the dryer.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Yeah, Well, that could end badly for the mallet's
chocolate eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
The Easter bunny has done that too.
Left cute or clues cute.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
A little post-it note yeah, post, does this say
everyone's house?

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Right, it's fun and innocence.
I mean, there's a lot I havefriends that disagree with that
that never told their kidsanything, santa.
They always were very kind ofadult with their kids, which I'm
sure has its merit too.
But I was just thinkingyesterday, like as you were
saying, patty, doing the wholegratitude thing, you know I love
to drive, I love nature, I lovethe sun and the music playing

(01:37:07):
in the car and your sunroof open, and I was realizing what you
know, I still have that and it'sstill super fun, but I miss,
you know, when you're 16 andyou're first driving all those
innocent with your whole lifeahead of you.
Innocent joy all the time is ahard thing to cultivate as we
get older.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Well, mary Beck was talking about how her son, who I
believe is a senior this yearat St Ignatius, his girlfriend
and they've been together forlike probably over a year now.
She's a year older, so she goesto the University of Cincinnati
and there's been times wherehe's recently that he's driven

(01:37:50):
her there, driven her back, likehe'll go down there to get her
and bring her back or whatever,and like I mean that's a long
drive for a young person butwhen you're young, you're like
this is I'm doing this?
right, I've been, yeah, and nowthinking about driving this
Cincinnati back and forth overthe weekend or in one day is
like nah Drudgery yeah.

(01:38:11):
Yeah, it's just such a longtime on the road and it's your
first freedom.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
It's your first independence, first time you
pump gas it's like I'm so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Yeah, I'm doing this, I'm doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
That's why I love that I still have the same best
friend from those days, becauseI remember us learning to drive
together and buying gas andsneaking out to go to Rocky, who
are a picture show and orderingcoffee for the first time and
just all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Wonder if Cedar Lee still does that.
I used to go see the RockyHorror Picture Show too.
I wouldn't be able to stay upthat late.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Okay, yeah, take a nap first and then get it up at
midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's what would have to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Right, well, I can watch it on YouTube.
Yep, cedar Lee still does it,9.30 on Saturdays.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Wow, 9.30, though, wasn't it midnight yeah it used
to be midnight.
I didn't have to go to CedarLee, though.
Parmah Town did it, luckily,because, listen, these suburban
girls wouldn't have been able tohandle much more.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Oh, I didn't even know that Parmah Town did it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I don't remember there was a theater there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
I think so.
I mean, I'm trying to thinkthere was also like the Parma
Theater, which was like at Snowand the Ridge.
I wonder if that's where it wasActually.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
I think I do remember it being there because they
would do some.
I could totally see it beingthere.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Yeah, I saw a lot of movies there.
Before they eventually torethat down.
They ended up just doing likesecond run movies for like two
bucks.
So Steph and I would go thereall the time when we were like
in our 20s, I think, teenagers,I don't know.
It all blends together now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
It does what's the last movie.
Every mall had a movie theater,though back in the day Mom was
positive, or at least one closeby like right in the yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
What's the last movie you saw In the theater?

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
I don't know.
Oh, yes, I do.
Steph and I went to see theWhale.
Oh, how is it?
It was good.
I mean, it wasn't a happy movie.
That's the one with BrendanFraser as the.
Oh yeah, really, you know,really overwake, I, like you
know, 500 pounds on oxygen etcetera.

(01:40:43):
And of course he's divorced andestranged from his daughter and
he's trying to reconnect withher, knowing that he's not gonna
be around much longer.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
The last one I saw was we saw the Fableman's
probably back in like Februaryor something.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
How was that?
I tried to watch it on cable acouple of times and I didn't get
right into it, but it was longand kind of drawn out it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
In Spielberg.
You're just expecting it to beso stellar that it was probably.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah, it was.
Tolerable is a rough word.
It was tolerable because it wasa biography, but it wasn't like
captivating.
I guess I know which one I'mgonna see next.
Go ahead, patty, your turn.

Speaker 1 (01:41:34):
Well, I we actually saw a movie in Dubai, but I
can't remember what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Of course, her answer is gonna be like the last movie
I saw was in Dubai.
You saw a movie in Dubai.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Yeah, no, but of course.
And the movie theater was likefabulous and everything, but I
can't remember what the title ofit was.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Everything in Dubai is fabulous, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
It is.
It's like the Las Vegas ofUnited.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Arab Emirates.
Yes, yeah, it's just Do youfeel like you know the map of
the world better now than youused to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Oh, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Because I don't know where anything is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
I uncovered.
No, I uncovered our map, ourpushpin map, and I was like, wow
, I got a lot of filling in todo places we've been since in
the two and a half years we'vebeen gone.
But I do, and it's so funnybecause you say things and
people are like where's that?
And I'm like really Likewhere's Borneo or where's you

(01:42:32):
know?

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
I see Dennis, dennis Siding.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Oh, he ran by.
Bye Dennis.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
But yeah, like places that I just feel so familiar
with, or even Kuala Lumpur.
Do you guys know where that is?
It's in Malaysia.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
No, that'd be Navy.
I remember your breath, that Iwas like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
But to me, and then we went there and it's this big,
fabulous city like New YorkCity.
It was like amazing and I waslike how come you know, more
people don't know about this.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
I'm gonna get the word out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
It was a very cool place, yeah.
Yeah, I know it's halfwayacross the world, but we're just
so insular and insulated.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
You know it's our world and other people are just
living in it, but there's otherworlds going on outside of us.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
There are tons of them, tons of them, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
So the next movie I'm gonna see is the Taylor Swift
concert movie.
Oh, because my niece and Ioften sing her songs in the car
together.
And my niece thinks it's fun,like if I press the button in my
car where you can talk and askSiri to do something, now she's

(01:43:47):
like, press the button, pressthe button and she'll say hey,
siri, or hey, spotify orwhatever, play Taylor Swift.
And so you know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
I'm scared, I just wanna.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
We'll do that and I joked with my brother several
times.
I'm like, sorry, I can't dothat in that app.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Oh, he's talking.
Siri is responding to you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Yes, but I joked with my brother like can I take her
to her first concert?
And you know, can you pitch infor the $10,000 Taylor Swift
tickets?
Right, you know, in Detroit.
But then this is coming out andthey happen to have like the
Friday and the Monday off of theweekend that it's coming out,

(01:44:23):
so it's gonna be our trip.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Epic.
That is gonna be epic.
How excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
I'm excited for her because I think Cause she's
never really Not that we'd be ata concert, but like she doesn't
understand the concept, shecan't understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Or you know, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I think it'd be really fun.
Actually, she was a couple ofweeks ago, I have to write this
down.
She was.
She asked Siri to playsomething by Ruth Ruth something
.
And I'm like, how do you, RuthB?
Yeah, how do you know?
You know, and she was likewe're allowed to make our own
playlists in a class, in theirEnglish class, something on the

(01:45:03):
computer so that they can.
They have headphones on andthey can just listen to what
they enjoy as they write or theydo something.
Maybe it's a computer Like,maybe I can imagine that that
wouldn't be distracting, so itmust be something where it's
less distracting.
You know, yeah, she loves RuthB.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Ruth B, wasn't that that?
Didn't she do the Peter Pansong or something A few years
back?

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
I don't know Dandelion, she sings Mick
Signals Lost Boy.
If this is, I mean she's gotsome, I guess, semi-popular
things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
I think Lost Boy is what I'm thinking of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Is it?
Well, how did Ruth B get famousAfter taking up piano?
Oh, yep, you're right.
Lost Boy, the Peter Paninspired piano ballad.
So, but yeah, I had no idea whoRuth.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
B was.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
So then of course I'm like, well, I'm gonna be the
cool aunt and I went to herwebsite and I'm looking up her
like merch and she doesn't havemuch.
Or she didn't have much on hermerch site a month ago or so,
but she did have some clearancehoodies that were like Clearance
.
Adult, extra small, actually,most of the things on there

(01:46:15):
because she just didn't have anynew things, you know, and I'm
like I'm gonna get this for herfor Christmas and it's gonna
blow her little mind.
I'm gonna be the coolest auntto go down in history.
Maybe I'll take her.
Actually, that's what led herto the red Me the website.
I was like I went to take herto her first concert.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Yeah, fun.
And now Ruth B is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Yeah, well, ruth B isn't going on tour.
Yeah, she's got some hoodies.
That's about it, and a digitaldownload that you could buy is
just three things on her merchpage A digital download, a black
hoodie and a white hoodie.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
So Ruth B must be between.
So nobody has seen Barbie.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
In between albums.
No, we almost went a couple oftimes.
James wanted to see it becauseVince saw it and liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
I was just gonna say I'm surprised James and Vince
didn't go to see it together anddressed as Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Wait, what movie.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Barbie.
How funny would it be, vinceand James dressed in pink.
Or listen, whenever Vince sawit, whoever he saw it with, he
might have been dressed in pink.
It is Vince, petter, we'retalking about.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I actually am surprised that Well, and I don't
know this for sure, but I don'tthink that Vince is planning on
being Barbie or Ken forChristmas or Halloween or
Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
He told me he likes to involve a costume that could
possibly be shirtless, becausequote it makes people so
uncomfortable and that's sofunny.
I said you know I find when I'mshirtless people are pretty
uncomfortable too, vince.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
I told you I think we talked about it on the podcast
about what he was for Halloweenlast year, because we're all
James and I and Suzy and Vinceare usually invited to the same
party, and Vince was the WillFerrell character from Saturday
Night Live who they weresupposed to dress up at work

(01:48:13):
like wear patriotic colors, andhe wore a red white speedo.
Yeah, that was who Vince was.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
My goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
And so the funny thing was is that there was a
couple there and so obviouslyeverybody was uncomfortable or
not, you know, vince got thereaction he wanted and it was
funny.
But then this couple came, who?
She was Bruce Jenner, so shehad like a you know tracks
running stuff on and he wasCaitlyn Jenner.

(01:48:41):
And he was an excellent CaitlynJenner, like he had, you know,
like he was tall and like thin,like he wore the skirt, just
like Caitlyn Jenner.
It just worked so well that's agood idea for a costume and it
was really funny and like it wasvery.
But Vince was like distraughtbecause somebody else was

(01:49:01):
getting attention and so hehappened to have a backup
costume with him.
So after he wore out all theshock value of the red, white
and blue speedo, he disappearedfor a few minutes and came back
as Rowdy Rodney Piper, except hehad no underwear on under his
kilt.
So maybe I'll have to edit thatout oh boy.

(01:49:23):
But he, well, that was a threat.
I can't say that for sure,because I don't think anybody
saw that that was true, but hewas threatening to bend over or
to you know whatever.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Vince likes the he's so funny, he's so funny he likes
the shock value.
He likes the costumes.
We just had Suzy on and one ofour questions was did you know
he liked costumes so much andshe was like no.
That kind of came out later inour marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Vince is a handful that came out later in our
marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
I love that, so I wonder what he's going to be
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
Yeah, I'm sure it'll be good.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Entertaining for sure .
Yeah, definitely entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Well, patty, it's really nice to see you.
I know the internationalpodcast audiences that could be
able to see you, but they candefinitely.
Well, you could put a clip, wecan put a clip.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Yeah, you look great.
Oh, thank you, it's also great.
I'm so glad you're here.
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
It's also personally nice to catch up with you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
But can we still do lunch?

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, we can do lunch .
And thanks for being on thepodcast and you'll have to
continue to come back and giveus some updates whenever you
want.
And yeah, just, you have ournumbers.

Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
We can figure this out Well.
Thank you for letting me sharemy journey.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Thank you for sharing .
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah it's so interesting because we didn't
know anything about it when wewanted you to be on.
You were just always a popularguest from the start.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
And I feel like I haven't told all, even haven't
told some of my friends, becauseit's such an awkward thing too.
Oh, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:51:05):
Right Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Well, now you can just send them the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Yeah, here, find out what's going on in my life.
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
I know that everybody deserves, first of all, you
know, privacy and whatever theyneed to heal, which might be
solitude and not always havingto talk about it, but it's, it
can be difficult.
I know we all have people inour lives who are so hush hush
about things like that and it's,it's, it's difficult.

(01:51:37):
I've had people who even youknow they're quite sick and not
going to make it and didn't tellpeople, and that's hard to
navigate too.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
But it is like an awkward thing.
It is like it took me a whileeven to tell my whole family.
I told my sisters, but then totell the rest of my family I was
like, oh, you know, in thebeginning, you know, now I've
had, you know, some space inJuly to, you know, really work
through my feelings and stuff,and now it's easier to talk
about, for sure, and you know,but in the beginning it's very

(01:52:12):
hard to talk about and share.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
So and then it's a shock to other people and then
you have to talk about it, andmaybe you were having a fine day
and didn't want to talk aboutit or think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
Yes, yeah, yeah, so, but thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
No problem, thanks for for sharing and hanging on,
hanging in with us for thealmost two hours that you have.

Speaker 3 (01:52:35):
Oh, yeah, long one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
If you're a listener and you've gotten this far,
please feel free to subscribe toour podcast.
Share it with your friends,give us a good review and reach
out, Tell us you want to be aguest, reach out and touch
someone.
Huh, reach out and touchsomeone.
Yeah, we'll send Mary Beth,right yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
All right, we're done yeah.

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