Season 4 Finale: Farewells & Looking to the Future

Season four of the Modern Yoga podcast draws to a close with an episode that is a blend of emotions,  with stories of joy, loss, and the promise of new beginnings. As Joyce finds herself in a candid reflection on the difficult decision to say goodbye to her beloved dog Chloe, Mary Beth travels back and tells the story of losing her childhood pet, Junior. This chapter is not merely about loss; it's a celebration of the profound connections we share with our furry companions and the powerful life lessons they bestow upon us.

Navigating through the episode, we shift from the somber tones of farewell to the lighter moments of life's spontaneity. Joyce shares her impromptu travel escapades to Fort Lauderdale and the anticipatory musings about an upcoming Costa Rican adventure, we unpack the subtleties of living fully, even amid grief. From the practicalities of packing for a short trip to the unexpected hilarity that life throws our way, the narrative extends an invitation to embrace the unknown with a "que sera, sera" mindset. It's a reminder that sometimes, the most profound wisdom comes from the mundane and that humor can be found even in the packing of a suitcase.

As we bid adieu to this season, we tease the exciting changes ahead in season five. The past episodes have been a mosaic of experiences to personal anecdotes that have hopefully left you feeling as if you're part of our extended family. We're eager to embark on this next chapter, crafting new narratives and continuing this journey with you, our listeners. So tie up your laces for the road ahead, as we promise it's one filled with learning, evolving, and more than a few surprises.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two microphones and make the phone call gas Two
microphones and you make thephone call gas.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hi, this is Joyce and this is Marybeth.
Welcome to the Modern Yogapodcast.
End of season four edition.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Allegedly, that's what we've been told by our
engineer.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, Sorry, it took so long to well get the last one
out.
I don't know how long it'sgoing to take to get this one
out.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
We'll have to try and be clearer with our seasons.
I guess we had joy, we had fun,we had seasons in the sun.
Do you remember that song?
Yes, harry Jax, but the cop hada gun and he shot us in the bun
.
I don't remember all the lyrics.
Well, those weren't the lyrics.
Those were the ones that thegirls on the 130 made up.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh why did I talk about cop shooting them in the
bun?
I mean, it was the 70s.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Don't, don't, don't, don't.
Goodbye, michelle.
It's hard to die.
This is a tough way to start.
The whole song was like soridiculously sad.
It was like why does this songexist?
Same with the old song LonelyBoy.
Oh, what a lonely boy.
I was like why?
What is this about?

(01:39):
He's just a little wussy thatgets pissed off because they had
another baby and then he ranand ruined his life.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
What song are you talking?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
about oh, what a lonely boy.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Would I recognize that if I heard it?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know, with my little bit of a cold, I'm just
not sure I should sing for you.
Oh, oh, oh oh what a lonely boy.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh, what a lonely boy .

Speaker 1 (02:08):
He was born on a summer day in 1960, something I
don't remember.
So, basically the story, thelyrics are this boy was his
parents special little boy Maybethere's some metaphor that I'm
missing and then they hadanother baby, he had a little
sister, and then he was likewait, I'm supposed to be the one

(02:32):
.
And now there's this.
I got to share time with thisand so he like left home and
that was that, and I thinkthat's a stupid song.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, there's a song by the black keys that's called
Lonely Boy, but I don't thinkthat's it, no, this is much whom
.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Who was this one by?
This was in the 70s also.
Let me look Dead airspace whilewe both Google Andrew Gold.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh, I'm not.
My fingers are on the rightkeys, so that's what's taking me
so long.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
My fingers aren't on the right keys.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm a bit of a mess right now, so that's, it's
nothing's nothing's going toplan, oh yeah, this song follows
the life of a child who feelsneglected by his parents after
the birth of his younger sister.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, buck up, buck up, little camper.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
You're supposed to grow up and fight with your
little sister and take care ofher at the same time.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Well, listen, since we're starting off digressing to
a sad note, let's just diveright in here.
Typically behind you when wepodcast is Chloe lying on the
bed and Chloe is not with youWould you like me to?
Keep talking, because you can't.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So today is February 22, which is a Thursday, and we,
chloe, crossed the RainbowBridge on Monday, the 19th, and
yeah, I'm going to cry, but it'sokay.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Nobody can say Rainbow Bridge without crying,
because we've all been there.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I am.
So last or the Monday before,she had a pretty rough day just
with accidents.
She was, she had some accidentsin the house that were very
unusual for her, and James hadtexted me and said Joyce, I

(04:53):
think it's time.
I mean, we obviously knew thatit was coming, but it just
really hit me where he was rightand it was time.
And so our vet is open 9 to 11and then four to six 30 every

(05:15):
weekday, but Wednesday and withour schedules we can't really
get to the vet until Thursday,and so we just that was kind of
the plan and we were just notgoing to talk about it because
it's too hard.
I had a really good conversationwith Rachel Dahl, who has been

(05:36):
on the podcast and she sherescues dogs and just has a lot
of experience, and she said thatshe she always looks at it like
she's sending them back to God,and that made me feel better.
She also said, like you know,she's a big fan of letting them
go with some dignity, you know,and that's what I wanted to do.

(05:58):
I didn't want Chloe to like getto the point where she had like
the worst day ever and we hadno choice.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
So we get to Thursday morning and we I said I would
like to go closer to 11.
I don't want to do this at nine, and so I fed the dogs and
didn't give Chloe her medication, because why yeah?
And a little while later wetook them for a WALK.

(06:27):
Hold is with me right now andwhat?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
not to interrupt your flow now.
But what is that like?
Now?
You know, this is Chloe's lastwalk.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean, I think I know what that's like.
It's.
It was really hard, but thething was that she did she look
better on Thursday than she hadin a long time.
Her eyes were bright, she wasmoving well I mean not like a
young dog, but she was movingreally well and we went home and
just we were all teary eyed andwe couldn't do it because she

(06:59):
was doing significantly betterthan she was earlier in the week
and we were just like, okay,you know what?
She's got more time, falsealarm.
She did great on Friday.
She did great on Saturday.
Saturday was really cold andChloe loves the cold, but I
worry a little bit because shehas a heart condition, you know

(07:21):
but she did great.
I walked them at like 730 atnight because I had a long day.
And then Sunday we woke up andshe was in our bed and she just
wasn't, didn't want to get up.
I have this video because shewas kind of not gonna be able to
see this on the podcast.
She's kind of like this, likenot totally shaking her head,

(07:43):
but she was staring off intospace in a way that she never
did before and is owned, and soI took a video of her.
I was talking to her and then Ihad to go to the studio and
like that's very normal, youknow, ashley was home, james was
home.
Apparently, they got her out ofbed to go outside and she was,

(08:09):
james was.
When he got to the studio forhis class on Sunday he was very
concerned about her, whichconcerned me, because it takes a
lot to concern James, you know.
And I said are you staying formy slow flow class?
And he goes, no, I want to gocheck on Chloe.
And I was like, okay.
So by the time he got home andAshley had taken Alina to a

(08:32):
trampoline park and I don't knowwho got home first, but Chloe's
, the whole left side of Chloe'ssnout was swollen, was
completely.
I'll send you a photo.
But she again didn't want toget up.
She barely ate, which is notunusual for her, she's not a big
eater, she's not motivated byfood at all, and so we just

(09:00):
watched her all day and it wasbad, I mean, and I kept.
I have a cousin who was a vetand a cousin who was in vet
school and I sent them bothvideos and in the photo and it
just said do you guys have anyidea what's going on here?
And my cousin who's in vetschool said she thought it would

(09:20):
, it was something dental andthat's very common for older
dogs, for this to just appear.
But like Chloe's favorite treatis is a hard treat, it's this a
good and fun treat and she hadno problem with it the night
before at all and I just feellike a dental thing wouldn't
show up in that fast, you know.

(09:41):
But my cousin who's a vet, ittook her a while and by the time
she responded I noticed thisthe video I had taken of Chloe
on the bed earlier in the day.
Her left lip was quivering and Ithink she was having a seizure,
a mild seizure and then Irealized in that moment that she

(10:02):
had been having mild seizureslike I remember one time, and I
don't even know I'd have tolisten back in a podcast.
But when she was behind mewhile we were podcasting, she
was making this weird noise withher teeth, like her teeth were
chattering in a very rhythmicway.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, so, yeah, that's probably exactly what was
happening.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, and it didn't.
I remember listening to her andit was like it was like, it was
like she on, and then it waslike and then she yonned and you
know, and so and she wasprobably shaking yeah, and it
wasn't big.
but I don't think she haddementia at all.
I think that she had.

(10:42):
She was having seizures and somy cousin who is the vet had,
when she did respond, she goes,I see seizure activity.
I would guess that she eitherhas a brain tumor or has brain
cancer and but you know,obviously at that point I'd
realized she was having seizuresand that wasn't good.

(11:02):
But I do think that that waswhat was like making her fall
down the last couple of steps inthe morning and was preventing
her from like getting goingafter she laid down and whatever
was going on.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah so they can't tell us like a human can.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
More specifically, yeah, so it was Sunday.
I just she looked so miserableand I just wanted to take her
somewhere and like to emergencyvet.
James didn't want to do theemergency vet because he thought
that would stress her out, andI don't think it would stress
her out any more than she wasstressed out around.
Honestly, she probably wouldn'thave known the difference, but

(11:48):
I know that she would haveresponded to James being
stressed out and I was alreadystressed out even though I was.
I think I'm pretty good when itcomes to like keeping it
together for the sake of theanimal.
Yeah, but you know.
So we just decided to keep heras comfortable as we could until
we could get her to our vet.
In the morning we got subs forour 930 classes we both teach at

(12:09):
930 on Monday and we you knowshe didn't.
We carried her outside Sundaynight.
Once she got on the cement shecould.
She seemed to not be able towalk like normal, but she got
around, took her out in themiddle of the night, carried her
out, ran back in to go to thebathroom and by the time I got

(12:30):
back out she was in the grass.
So you know she was moving abit and I called her back and
she started walking back.
So I just went and picked herup but still on Monday morning
she didn't really want to getout of bed.
I talked to Colt Sunday nightand this is our other dog and he
because we've noticed that heseems to have been distancing a

(12:52):
little bit from her, wow and Itold him what was going to
happen in the morning and heactually slept in bed with her
and I like, the whole night.
Wow and then when we took her inthe morning, he was laying down
and he just looked really sadand he didn't they never go for
a ride separately and he didn'teven lift his head.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
He knew it was like he knew something.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't know what they understand as far as, like
my movie, took her for a rideand she didn't come back.
You know what I mean.
And then we had Alina to dealwith, and I'll talk about that
in a second.
But so we went to the vet and Iwent in and ate and everything,
and they opened a side door forus and James had already had

(13:39):
her out of the car.
She didn't want to be picked upanymore, she didn't want to be
in the car anymore and shewalked to the door very slowly
and then as soon as she got inshe walked like she was walking
last week on the tile.
So that was the one thing here.
Like one time when I picked herup at home I had to put her
down for a second, I think, inthe kitchen and she was just all

(13:59):
four paws were sliding, let outlike a cartoon, yeah and so.
But then when she got into thedriveway she, you know, wasn't
sliding and she could kind ofget.
But yeah, she walked into thevet and it's like, and it wasn't
like she was.
I think Chloe was ready, shewas walking around sniffing

(14:22):
things in the room andeverything, and I mean I just
feel like she probably suffereda maybe a little bit more than
we had wanted her to, and that's.
I just didn't want her to getto the day that she had on
Sunday.
That's my big regret.
Like it would have been so hardto do it on Thursday, but she

(14:43):
was just so good on Thursday andFriday and Saturday and they're
both cold, taking her place upon the bed.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
now I know that.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I know that it was the right thing and I'm at peace
with the decision.
For sure it's just now.
It's the all the adjusting toher not being here and it's just
sad.
You know, like she was 13 and ahalf, I had her, I adopted her
at like six weeks old and andthere's like a void in the house
and the family and worriedabout him.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
And especially, you know, at near the end of a dog's
life, when they have requiredso much special care.
She was taking more of yourtime and mental space than in
years past and now you know it'snot unlike when we talked to
the Ketterers after their sonMiles passed away.
Obviously very different, butfrom the standpoint of the time

(15:38):
it's taking in your day and yourmental capacity.
Now that's gone and there'sjust a lot of space to fill with
different thoughts and emotionsand I saw James that night and
before my class, and he talked,you started to go down the road

(15:58):
of Alina.
He said you know, I've got thistoddler in the house, that's
asking why?
And did you put Chloe's bowlsaway?
Et cetera.
And because it's such auniversal thing, we started
before class whoever was sittingthere talking about it, how
important and necessary andvaluable it is for a child to

(16:20):
have pets and lose pets, and seehow you care for pets and what
your decisions are.
I remember the first time Iever saw my dad cry was taking
our dog Junior to sleep when Iwas little, which is scary and
horrible, but it's better thanseeing my dad cry because of

(16:40):
something you know, even scarier.
So but that's where I learnedit's okay for dads to cry and
that it's okay to be sad andit's okay to put.
Actually, the first dog that Iremember us having to put down

(17:04):
was healthy.
So you know my dad's tearsmeant even more.
He had been run over by theneighbor in the driveway several
years before, so my dad had totake him to the hospital in the
middle of the night, surgery,everything else, but after he
recovered from that, anythingthat moved he bit viciously.

(17:25):
Great-grandpa Poleshevsky bithim, christine Potts next door
on the other side bitter.
So trying to find a home for avicious dog, farms or whatever.
None of that panned out.
And so that's what we learnedthere from my parents.
Is that how terrible and hardof a decision.

(17:46):
But he was a safety risk toeverybody.
And so they told us as girlsthat my sisters and I what was
going to happen and that theywere going to have to take him
and why.
And I was closest to him, Ithink.
So I was pretty upset.

(18:07):
But they said we're not gonnatell you when, but sometime in
the next couple of weeks.
So one night when I had afriend over for a sleepover I
woke up in the morning.
Her name was Monique, thefriend, not the dog.
The dog was Junior, and Moniquewas deathly afraid of Junior,
as would anybody be besides us.
So we always had to put him inthe basement when we had company

(18:29):
.
So that tells you right there.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
And she walked down.
We woke up in the morning,walked down into the kitchen and
she saw the basement door openand she got.
She said Junior.
And I looked at my dad and hiseyes just filled with tears and
he started to cry and I was like, okay, junior's gone.
And so then we talked about itand my mom had fried him a big

(18:56):
steak and put red lipstick onand he was pure white American
Eskimo and she kissed him oncefor everybody in the family.
So he had all these years laterthis must be 50 years ago Red
lipstick kisses down his snoutand my dad and the neighbor took
him.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
so the neighbor who ran him over.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
The neighbor whose son ran him over.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
The neighbor's son was, you know, maybe 18 or 20,
drinking came home late onenight.
The reason we had Junior isbecause the neighbor so it's oh,
I shouldn't say their names,but Lenny and Lenny Junior,
lenny, when he got divorced andmoved away, gave us the dog

(19:45):
because I used to go knock onthe door.
My sisters were a little olderand in school.
I wasn't in school yet, so Iwould knock on the door and ask
Sheila if Junior could come outand play.
So when they divorced and weremoving out of this house,
leaving just their son livingthere, they brought Junior over
and asked if we wanted Junior,and so we did, till it all went
bad.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Wow, that's a very interconnected story.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, and so since then every dog or cat I've put
to sleep has been at the end oftheir life, long good life,
health reasons, which is its ownset of circumstances, but
relative to what it teaches achild, I guess that one was
really rough, but also important.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, we had been telling Alina that Chloe was
going to heaven soon and youknow we've been-.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
What's the concept like for Alina of heaven?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
What that is and that she wouldn't be coming back
And-.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Did you liken that at all to your dad, or was she too
young to even remember she?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
was like a month or two old.
Well, she was born on August27th and he passed on October
2nd, so she didn't remember anyof that.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's funny how it feels different.
It feels like it's more recent,like Alina was around longer.
Yeah, it's hard to remember,already a time before, alina.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right.
So we told her that morningthat we were taking Chloe to
heaven and she had a moment inthe morning it just happened.
So happened that actually itwas present stay and so Ashley

(21:40):
wasn't working and they werehome and but Alina started
really crying and saying I'mgonna miss Chloe.
So she understood that shewasn't coming back and, like she
just got it to a certain degreeand it was really sad.
So you know, we took Chloe tothe vet and everything and she

(22:04):
crossed the rainbow bridge andwe went to Panera just to-.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
To not go home.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
To decompress for a minute as much.
I mean, it was gonna obviouslybe a bad day, but we went to Bad
walk over the threshold at home, for sure.
Yeah, we just wanted to kind ofget our bearings a little as
much as we could before we wenthome and James explained more
that Chloe died and everybodydies and that's life, and he was

(22:38):
trying to put it as simply ashe could for Alina's sake.
And she said I'm sad and hesaid that's okay.
And then she's like are yougonna take Colt to heaven too?
And I'm like no, not yet,hopefully not anytime soon.
I mean Colt's got arthritis buthe's very with it.

(23:01):
You know he moves a littleslower or he has a window of
time where he has energy and hesleeps a lot, but like he's just
much more present than Chloehas been recently and I don't
think we have at least a year ortwo with Colt.
And this is the other thing forme and Colt really like this is

(23:25):
the first time in a long timethat there hasn't been a plan to
get another dog, notimmediately, but fairly
immediately, because, as we'vebeen saying, we'd like to move
and it just doesn't make sense.
On top of that, colt is a 12year old, arthritic, very social

(23:46):
dog and there's two like I feellike there's two sides of it,
like I want him to have acompanion, but what kind of
companion do you get?
Like a young dog, he's notgonna be able to keep up with,
which is okay.
But then that young dog is goingto have a loss soon, which is
also okay.
But so we've.

(24:07):
And then I also tell myself,cause I feel like Colt's sad and
lonely, and I've been tellingmyself like give him time too,
like he's adjusting as well andgrieving.
But there's a family in ourneighborhood and the guy we've
met him a bunch of times.
He's always walking their dogand they have an older pit bull

(24:30):
and he's that real wide pit bullthat walks like this.
His name is Buddy and Chloe inher later years, like by the
time she was eight or nine, shedidn't like female dogs and then
by the time she was probably 10or 11, she didn't like any
other dogs, and I think a lot ofthat lately was that she just
wasn't feeling good and feelingthe best.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'm totally getting.
Like Chloe, I'm liking otherpeople less and less, and it's
okay to be a grumpy little lady,you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Like she's allowed, but she wasn't aggressive
towards other dogs, but like ifother dogs wanted to meet her,
then she was like no, not havingit, no, ma'am.
So Colt wants to meet everybodyin the whole world and so he's
met Buddy.
But like Chloe's here on theleft and Colt's on the right and
it's just, it's not like theeasiest situation, but I think

(25:18):
I'm gonna, the next time I seethat guy I'm gonna ask if maybe
we can try some play dates, andthey probably would only be 15
minutes long, because it's liketwo old guys that run around for
a minute.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
They'll talk about the weather a little bit, and
that'd be done.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'll send you a video of Colt on his.
I took him to a little parkyesterday and I dropped well, it
doesn't even matter if I havehim on the leash because he
can't go that far but I wasplaying with him and he was all
riled up and then he was justlike I need a break.
And he just lays down yeah, but, and I think that would, if
that works, that would be reallygood for him just to have some

(25:58):
interaction and-.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Little something something.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, but yeah she did.
Chloe had a great life.
I mean, she was 13 and a halfand we all know, you know, like
you knew, with papers like dogs,cats don't live forever and it
just sucks I know it just doesyou just want them to live as
long as we do and come with us.
Yeah, so it's a lot, it's a lot, we'll continue to be a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Peepers was my first cat.
I mostly had to let go of dogs.
My dog, sunshine, who cameafter junior.
I was about maybe 22, stillliving at home, about to get
married when we finally had tomake the decision.
She had had cancer too and hada surgery and came out of that
great.

(26:51):
And then at some point youstart to notice they're in pain
and she too was 15.
And you know, nowadays theywill offer chemotherapy and all
sorts of things for dogs.
But that was way back in theday and I wouldn't have done
that anyway.
But I was.

(27:12):
The sad part about that was Iwas sad that she wouldn't be in
my wedding pictures and she hadbeen in my sister's wedding
pictures, but another time wheremy dad popped in the room at
the vet and was crying and thenhe left and my mom and I stayed.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
So that's so weird because my first dog was Sally
and I was 18 when we got her.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Sally.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And my mom.
She was an awesome dog, but mymom she should have been put
down way before she was.
My mom just couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
People who have like blind, deaf, lame, miserable
dogs that they have to carryeverywhere just to pee and
probably should have been setfree.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Well, the whole family was there and obviously
it was awful, but my dad left.
He couldn't.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah.
It's like in the SteelMagnolia's movie, where they're
like the men the men can getthere but they can't really take
it, they have to leave.
But the moms and the you knowwe stay.
They care too, yeah, so I'lltell you Well it's okay, we
talked about Sunshine and Sallyjust then, and then I was go

(28:30):
ahead, my, I have.
I had another adult dog, shady,but then Peepers, who just died
five years ago, was the firstcat I had and I don't know if it
gets weirder or you get olderor what You'll have to tell me,
because you've had multiple dogstoo as you get older.
But I think I cried every dayfor a year after Peepers, like

(28:52):
it took me the longest time toget over him.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I remember that and I kept telling you.
That's part of the reason Ikept telling you to get another
cat.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah.
Because there's no replacement,but there's like but cats are
different because I don't thinkI like most cats, like Peepers
was a little more dog-like.
He greeted me at the door, hesat in my lap.
I don't want some asshole cat,like a big percentage of them
can be.
I do love animals in general.

(29:19):
I do love cats now since Ifound Peepers litter.
But he was my little man andthat day we had to take him.
It was emergent.
He had had some health problemsbut then he like threw a clot
and we knew that morning he wasgoing and I just kissed his
little.
He had these little leatherblack paw pads and I always

(29:42):
would kiss his paw pads.
So that's how he went out.
I was kissing his paw pads andsinging all his songs, like
pepper pepperoni, mommy lovesyou only, or beautiful people.
He peep, peep, peep, or littlepeepers, little one.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Did he come?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
to you.
No, it's been five years.
I'm getting better.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I feel like there's a part of ourselves that we lose
with the animal.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Because it usually signifies a season of your life.
It's like a bookended season ofyour life, right?
You had Chloe before, you hadJames and Ashley and Alina, and
your dad was still alive, andthis whole segment of your life
is gone now.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And you're their voice and you know them the best
.
So I did like you had mentionedabout the Ketterers, like I did
think about my mom and how muchcaretaking she did with my dad
and I guess that maybe I knewChloe was higher maintenance

(31:08):
lately, but completely worth it.
She deserved that.
But Chloe was not a highmaintenance dog Like Colt is a
much higher maintenance dog.
He's a big baby and because he'sa boy, there's that he's a big

(31:29):
lover, Like he just loveseverybody, but he's I don't know
, he's definitely not a full pitbull.
He might have boxer in him orsomething.
I mean he's definitely got thatblock head, but he scares
people, Like people just they'llgo out of their way to avoid
him and I'm like you couldn'thave it more wrong, Like
especially when I'd have him on.

(31:50):
He's always on the, I alwayshave my.
My male dogs are usually biggerand stronger and so I have them
on the right and the female onthe left, because I don't know,
that's my logic.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
But then they get used to it.
No, it makes sense, it makessense to me.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Well, they get used to it, they're on too, so
there's some kind of order there.
But people will always like,you know, even with their dogs
like, oh, go to Chloe, you know,and it's just like yeah,
chloe's friendly to people, notso much dogs.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, that's not about your head off.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah.
Well, this is the one, though,where you like that he's gonna
love you to death.
And like.
We were walking the other daywell, this was last week and
going around the corner and youknow there's a little dairy deli
by my house, and some lady wasgetting in her car going oh your
dogs don't look like they play.
And I was like no, actuallythey're pretty nice, you know,

(32:41):
like they're, especially thisone and she just like got in her
car and closed the door, left.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Okay, I learned from James Dogg Reba who was the big
blockheaded Rottweiler.
That was the sweetest littlething ever.
I mean, you know Val Holsteinthat comes to the studio and her
husband Ralph In Shavasana.

(33:08):
Once at James, unbeknownst to us, Val was having a bad day About
what I don't even know.
We all sort of woke up quoteunquote from Shavasana to find
that Reba was like spooning Val,she was like laying on or with
Val, and Val got up and was likeI mean, I don't know, she just

(33:32):
came in and knew that I neededher today.
And then there was a time whenthe guy across the street from
Jane's house where we practiced,his dog had died and Jane's
boyfriend, John Reba's dad, hadto help out and dig the hole and
stuff because the guy wasn'treally couldn't accomplish that.

(33:54):
And, of course, reba, like laidover the grave afterwards, like
she knew.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Wow, I wish I understood.
I know he knows things, cultdoes, but I just wish it.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, what exactly?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
do they think how, yeah, yeah, and I've heard or
read or whatever, that if youhave more than one animal and
their companions, that, or evenif they're, I mean I can't
imagine they wouldn't be if theylive in the same house but and
you put one down, that youshould take the other one with
them because they know theyunderstand death.

(34:34):
Otherwise it could be like youtook her for a ride and she
never came back, like what theheck happened.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
What happened.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, confusion, but my vet a couple of dogs ago said
that sometimes that's okay, butoftentimes when people come in
to do this, they're so stressedout that it and the animals know
this and it stresses theremaining animal out a lot and

(35:04):
it causes more confusion thanit's worth.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
And maybe more future anxiety about going to that vet
.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, and that as well.
So, and he obviously hasexperience with it, so they
usually figured out and they'reokay, however, that figuring it
out goes.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But nature is a little ahead of us that way, I
mean obviously we're ahead asmore intelligent beings, but
it's just so.
It is what it is for the animals.
I'm having flashbacks of aagain.
Let's go back to the 1970s, amovie called when the Red Fern

(35:46):
Grows, and it had two dogs.
I wanna say they were likeyellow labs or something, and
that was the first time I saw mygrandfather Poppy cry because
the one.
I can't even remember exactlyhow the one dog dies in the
movie, but then the remainingdog dies of grief.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh, oh, that's awful.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Oh, I know, and I'm thinking I can't go to a movie
with a dog in it.
I know that often it's anultimate happy ending, but I
can't like.
There's enough to cry about inlife.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I cannot.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
And as for their instinct, you know you hear this
all the time that animals gosomewhere to die or whatever.
Peepers has been up and downall around these two houses
where side by side duplex withmy mom.
He's been in every nook andcranny, did he visit your mom
too?
Oh sure they were connectedthrough the basements.
Yeah, he would go.
Funny story I had four litterboxes, two on my side of the

(36:40):
basement, two on my mom's.
He would shit on her side whichI found hilarious.
That is funny, yeah, but no, hewould come up for a treat at
her house, jump on her counterlike he had all his spots.
Never once, you know, we'vetalked about, we've had wet
basements, so our basement isnowhere he ever hung out.
Even though there were lots ofgood hiding places, it was
always full of junk.

(37:01):
Under the steps is always fullof boxes and stuff.
The last day, like you just said, with having Monday off,
peepers died on Memorial Daythat year, so we were off on a
Monday.
Jeff was home, which is unusual.
Peepers had been in bedovernight, as he always is,
trotted down in the morning toeat or whatever, and then didn't

(37:23):
come back up.
And he always would come backup.
So I'm like, oh, he must.
I texted my mom.
I'm like Peepers over by you.
She's like no, I haven't seenhim this morning.
So I went looking through bothhouses for like five minutes
calling his name, calling hisname.
Couldn't find him.
So now I'm getting concerned.
Did he get shut in a closet orsomething?
So I go one more time and I hearhim.

(37:46):
He hears me calling and hemeowed me out that he never did.
He was underneath the basementstairs on my mom's side, which
means he had to go behindfurniture or file cabinet stuff
that he could have never gottenthere.
I moved the stuff out of theway when I heard him and I saw

(38:10):
that he had vomited a little bit, barely chewed up food, so he
had started to eat and he wasjust curled up and I grabbed a
towel and I wrapped it aroundhim and I ran upstairs in my
pajamas yelling Jeff Peepers isdying, oh my god.
So I hand him to Jeff, I throwsome clothes on, hold him again

(38:32):
and I could feel he was.
His eyes were open, he waslooking at me, but he was
feeling cold and Not moving.
And so I knew, and we took himthere and I'm, as I just said,
I'm kissing his little paws, I'mkissing his beautiful little
black Stanley Poitier lips,stanley, sydney Poitier lips,
singing all his songs.

(38:52):
And they took him back andright away said yeah, this is
called the saddle thrombus.
He threw a clot.
You know he would have had todrag his back end down there.
He had no use of his legs to dothat.
So he knew he was dying and hedragged himself somewhere.
I don't know why they do that,so you won't find them.
So they're protected, like isit instinct?
So that they're protected incase a Predator would come.

(39:15):
I don't know what it is, but itwas very weird to realize that
that's.
That's really is how ithappened.
He he found a place he hadnever been in before to hide,
but when he heard me calling forhim, he made that valiant
effort to let me know where hewas and I loved that because I
wouldn't have just wanted tofind him dead later.

(39:36):
Yeah, so we got to kiss him andsing to him and talk to him and
and he got really.
He had had some health problemsthe winter before, some kidney
stuff, and he had really finallyrebounded him and back to his
normal self right up until thatbad day.
So I was happy about that.
I didn't have the daily likeyou did, like is it time?

(39:59):
Is it time?
How does he feel?
How does Chloe feel?
So?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
So in these last couple of weeks we had an issue
with our vacuum cleaner.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Interesting vacuum.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Oh, I said vacuum cleaner.
We have a Dyson similar to theDyson's that we have in both
studios, because, well, it's agood product, but James is in
love with them, and janitorJames.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
They should do a commercial with janitor James.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Obviously it's where the With the, we don't have it
mounted on a wall.
James really wants to mount.
I hope he doesn't get this far.
He wants to mount our Dyson onthe kitchen wall.
I'm like you are not.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh my goodness, gracious James.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
No yeah, so anyhow, I just plug the charging thing in
when you're about around thewall.
There's a thing to plug it inthere and somehow the Something
broke in the battery part and itwasn't connecting to charge.
And so, with two dogs in thehouse and a toddler, like we,
have a lot of vacuuming toguarantee those for life, those

(41:08):
Dyson's.
Yeah, but we just need a newbattery and it's oh okay, like
but, but James wanted to try tofix it and you know how that
goes, and so a fixer we haven'tvacuumed.
We haven't vacuumed in a whileand we.
I ordered a new battery theother day and it came in the
next, you know, was on Amazon.
It came, I think, overnight orsomething, and can I just?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
say, I haven't vacuumed in a while and I don't
have the excuse of a deadbattery.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Well, Chloe's fur Is was so thick.
You know she's gonna be with us, for I don't know how many
canisters of this Dyson I'mgonna fill up with.
But it's just like you knowwe'll vacuum, like I need to
take time to really vacuum, butwe're vacuuming in bits and
pieces and it's just allcanisters Black fur yeah and,

(41:54):
yeah, I'm gonna miss that.
I'm gonna miss that as well.
But on another note or I'm kindof same note moving on, we, we
I think I've mentioned thisbefore, but Back when James and
I first went out of town to, wedid one of those quick trips, so
is to see the black crows inAtlanta a few weeks or a few

(42:16):
years ago, and it was a 24-hourtrip that I just was like we're
just doing this and we had somuch fun.
And James is like we.
We used to travel more Beforewe owned our own business and we
just kind of made this sort ofloose Promise that we try to go
somewhere once a quarter becausewe hadn't been giving ourselves
breaks, whether or not it waslike for a long vacation or a

(42:40):
quick vacation or something, andchange a scenery, yeah, and so
we've been doing that For themost part, but and we had talked
about it earlier this year andwe were just gonna skip this
quarter Because we have CostaRica coming up and we're going
to Costa Rica a day early, soit's gonna be a good eight-day

(43:00):
trip for us and with old dogsand Everything we have going on
like it was.
Just we knew that was coming andthen we're going back to Red
Rocks in June and like all good,and then Spirit did this sale
and I told James, or I asked himlike do I go to Fort Lauderdale
?
We can fly there pretty cheapat Spirit.

(43:22):
So I know there's like the riskof not coming back ever, but we
are just like no, we're not.
It was like you have to fly ona Tuesday or Thursday.
I'm like we could do this, do athree-day trip, you know, and we
weren't gonna.
And then one night he was like,yeah, let's just go like look
at the ocean for a minute.
Yeah, tuesday, wednesday,thursday are probably the easier

(43:45):
days to get.
So we don't teach on Thursdayand we teach less on Tuesday and
Wednesday than we do most ofthe rest of the week.
And so I bought two tickets,two round trip tickets for, for
$104.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Wow, holy moly.
It's been years since you couldsay that, and so we leave at
like we're going next week.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
We leave at five something, yeah, like something
like 530, 525, I don't know.
And we we landed in FortLauderdale at 821, see that's
awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So you have that you have the whole day there.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
We have the whole day there and then we get home at
like there's James.
What and it or James.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, we're put on this we're gonna get us.
They're not leaving the houseempty.
They live with other people.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
But we get home at like 11 on Thursday, so we
literally have 311 pm OnThursday.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, oh good, and, and I'm sure at your age is, and
having done a bunch of thesequick trips because I know this
is true of me too You'restarting to get so good at
really just packing what youneed.
It's not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Right.
You don't need much taking andI'm sure, spirits allowed, carry
on, which is not as generous asmost other flights but whatever
, like we're going for a coupleof days Somewhere warm, where I
can throw a couple of dressesand yeah, you know I don't need
that mascara, yeah right, onepair of flip flops and but.

(45:31):
So and I got an Airbnb inHallendale Beach, which is like
kind of between Fort Lauderdaleand Miami.
We got like a.
It's on the 29th floor, so ithas nice.
You can see the canal in theocean just thanks for showing me
your ass.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
James, appreciate it.
Sorry, I was pet my dog.
Where am I geeked out so youcan see him?
Yeah, he did you at least yourpants at least James isn't like
one of those guys that walksaround with his ass crack
hanging out.
So I always saw was clothing.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Maybe you did you jiu-jitsu in Florida?
Oh, maybe not.
He just he's closing my officestories like, yeah, I'm not in
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
He's like why do I come in here?
I told you.
I love to embarrass him.
So the other day he was liketagging merchandise and he
happened to have a sports brahanging on his lower arm, so of
course I have to call him out onthat.
And Then Aaron was returning orexchanging a sports bra for
size, and so of course I had tograb my boobies and and

(46:37):
illustrate for James what shewas doing.
And he just like that.
He just looked like where do Ilook?
He doesn't know where to look.
He looks around.
He's like why do you have to dothis?
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, he doesn't handle that stuff very well, but
it's, it's okay.
I mean, it's appropriate, right, we were worried, though you
know we were worried about Chloeand we're cults a little less
of a concern, because this iswhat he does all day to leave
town for a couple days.
You mean, yeah, exactly yeahand also he cult.
I don't know how boy dogs dothis.

(47:08):
But like he could probably notgo outside for two days.
But when he does he he willlook straight at you and pee for
like 10 minutes straight agallon.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I know I had to let my friend Steph's dogs out the
other week because they were outof town and I was like her
dog's name is Lenin, an old lab,and I'm like my gosh, lenin, I.
How are you holding all of that?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Well, I read that or I learned somewhere that they,
when a dog is is Going to thebathroom, they Depend on the
other members of the pack tokeep them safe, because they're
vulnerable.
So that's why they stare rightin your eyes, especially to the
boys.
It's like they lift their legand they're just like right in
your eyes.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, don't you move, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pee right
now.
Oh, I tell them, company closer, I've got you.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I've got you, you're good.
But yeah, he will be, he'll befine, and.
But we were a little worriedabout Chloe and I kept telling
myself she'll be okay, like evenif she uses her pee pads, like
that's the worst that can happen.
But now I'm glad that thereisn't a risk of what happened on

(48:19):
Sunday happening when we're nothere, right?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
and and.
Relative to all that, whatwe're learning is you have to
have a little bit of case or asera in your mind like what,
what will be, will be.
You still have to try and liveyour life.
So it's, it's.
You know, you're grateful whenit works out this way.
Yeah where she's already gone,and now you really are gonna

(48:46):
enjoy yourself and relax in FortLauderdale in a better way than
you would have been able to.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, so hopefully we'll get back, because I feel
like that's where spirit reallyscrews up is getting you home
and we're like on the lastflight home, so like getting
there again.
Actually, this is the sameflight we took to To connect
when we went to Mexico, but wewon't have to worry about check.
We're not going to check a bag,obviously and then James's TSA

(49:12):
number did arrive after we gotback from Mexico, so We'll be
able to to pre-check and just,you know we leave on a Tuesday,
which is supposed to be not a,you know the one of the Not a
busy travel day, or the leastbusy.
So that makes me a littlenervous because James knows all
this, and so that means if ourflight leaves at 525, that we

(49:33):
should probably leave the houseby what?
5?
I know we're gonna have this.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
We're gonna revisit this conversation because it's
probably gonna go the same way.
It'll be a little stressful.
When we went at the end of lastmonth to visit my mother-in-law
in Florida, we had a flightcanceled.
It was a.
We had a connection thatcanceled so we had to rebook.
We still got there at the sametime but our luggage was on
flight number one that wascanceled, so it was coming later

(49:57):
in the day and my mother-in-lawis a good, I think, an hour
close to an hour from theairport.
So it's not like, oh, we'lljust come back for our luggage.
So Jeff and I just went to havea nice long, you know waterside
kind of lunch Outdoors, whichyou know, when it's the end of
January in Cleveland, you'rejust thrilled to be sitting
outside having a margarita orwhatever.

(50:19):
So we did that and went backand got our luggage.
But that was a golf trip for him.
So we went back and got ourluggage, but that was a golf
trip for him.
So we always do have checkedluggage instead of just carry on
.
And I've gotten to be expert atJeff calls it my travel uniform
.
I have, like light linen pantsthat are at least pants, so I

(50:39):
don't know how some of thesepeople have shorts and sports
bras on an airplane.
It is so freaking cold to me onan airplane so I usually have my
linen pants, some sort ofcomfortable shoe, little sneaker
that could be Summertime orwintertime, ohio or Florida, and
then a tank top.
There's a black tank top.

(51:01):
And then this sweater, thisgiant cardigan which actually is
seems like just a blanket thatI bought at Target years ago.
That the reason I think it wason the target clearance rack is
because it's a size small andyou could fit three of me in it,
so it's another one of thosemissized things.
And then a scarf which keepsyou warm, and then you shed the

(51:23):
scarf and the cardigan and thereyou are in a nice light outfit
to sit outside and Drink whenyou get to Florida.
I'm so with you back on thatpoint of the plane being cold
Because James was.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Uh, when we were going to Mexico, I was like I
don't what do you wear, becauseit's so awful when you get out
In 90 degree weather and you hot.
Yeah, you got a layer, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And I'm like it's he goes.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Just wear shorts and your flip flops like you're
wearing a pair of shorts, flipflops like we're.
You know, the walk from the carto the airport isn't bad.
I'm like it's not that I don'twant to Freeze for three hours
on the plane.
Yeah, you know, and um.
But so, like I was thinkingabout Fort Lauderdale, I was
thinking about wearing a, asummer dress with, like,
leggings underneath or somethingseriously, I've done that too

(52:07):
and then you can justImmediately dive into your
vacation.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
You don't have to go check in somewhere, you don't
have to unpack anything, youjust get your rent a car and hit
the beach.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
We have to because we we have an airbnb and we're not
gonna be able to check in atnine, even if they let us check
in early.
Like I just don't, I don't feellike, well, maybe really early
yeah that's very early, um, sowe might drive to like the keys
or something and we have to fillour day, which is fine, like I

(52:38):
don't see James and I sitting onthe beach all day.
But what's kind of irritatingto me is a little bit is that
let's see, next week here inCleveland, tuesday, wednesday,
thursday is going to be 64, 62and 48.
Like I want it to be 15 so thatyou know I could.

(53:00):
But James, james is like really, joyce, that's not like 80
degrees in Fort Lauderdale,that's just not the same I'm
like I know, but I know, butyeah.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I mean I keep saying that when we left for Florida it
was like 60 here.
I keep saying that I knowclimate change is a terrible
thing but as a clevelander whohates winter, I can't complain
about it when it's happening.
I mean it does feel good but itjust can't be good for no,
exactly, it can't be good it'syeah, so I don't know is.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Is 76, 79 and 79 too cold to go in the water?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't know, I'm trying to think.
When I was in Florida, I walkedwhile Patty and Jeff golfed.
I drove to, I want to say,jensen Beach, which is on the
West Palm Beach side of thestate, and it was.
I mean, there were people inthe water not a ton.
But I walked through the waterand I wasn't like, oh, it's so

(54:02):
cold, I might die.
So I don't know, it might beokay.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Let me see.
I just Googled it.
So it's a 75 degrees hot inFlorida, that's, I typed in 80,
but for most people such atemperature range would be
interpreted as hot.
In Florida during July andAugust it's between 73 and 95.
I don't know.
Well, I guess we'll see It'llbe.
It's definitely shorts.

(54:29):
It's not like we spend a lot oftime swimming.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, it's just the ocean and the beach are in the
sky and the sound and the gullsand the salt and it's just all
very healing, even if you're nota quote unquote beach person.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So I want to talk about Airbnb's a little bit.
We like to do Airbnb's because,specifically because of the
kitchen.
So we don't have to eat outevery single time that we eat,
which just can be too muchsometimes, you know it's
expensive, it's time consuming.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
You eat the wrong stuff.
It's nice to have a nice dinnerout, but in general it's nicer
not to.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
So Airbnb's are so confusing anymore and maybe it's
just where I was trying to getone.
So you give yourself a budgetLike there's only two of us were
going to be there for a coupleof days, so I was like thinking
150 to $200 a night, and so youcan put in the range or whatever
, and there's.
So we're staying in HallandaleBeach.

(55:35):
There's Fort Lauderdale,hallandale Beach and then Miami,
and I read, and it makes sense,that Miami is like 24 hour
party, which we don't need a 24hour party.
Fort Lauderdale is definitelymore family friendly and
Hallandale Beach is really nice.
It's kind of like, kind of thein between.
Sorry about that.
And so they, and then there's a.

(55:59):
It seems like in FortLauderdale there's more hotels
versus like buildings that willdo apartment buildings where a
lot of people Airbnb, and so inHallandale Beach you have a lot
of the apartment buildings thatdo Airbnb.
So they list, as you know, youknow, your nightly fee, the
cleaning fee and then the Airbnbservice fee, so they give you a

(56:22):
total before fees fees, fees,fees.
Yeah.
So like I'm, I'm pulling up my.
I made a list of potential.
I mean I've already bookedhours, but like I'm looking at
some of the things, other onesthat I looked at and so $184 a
night, one bedroom, three beds,one and a half bath rental unit

(56:44):
in Hollywood, florida, would endup costing $557 plus tax and
before taxes.
So there's never just one taxright.
So this $184 a night unit isnot $184.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Okay, got that, but then you have to read that in
the about this space, beautifulocean view apartment with direct
access to the beach.
Blah, blah, blah, blah has agym, swimming pool, beach access
.
Affordable valet only $10unlimited access $30 resort fee
per reservation per person perday.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Wow.
So there's 60 bucks a day foreach of you, a resort fee plus
$10 a day to park.
Okay, so there's 70 added toyour night, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
And then I don't know if this one has it, but most of
the places that have a poolwill also charge for your chair
and your towel every day, andthat's a good 30 bucks.
So now your $184 night room ismore like 350 400.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, good thing you're not going out to dinner.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Right, james just texted me and said just a
suggestion maybe talk more aboutyoga.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Oh, you know, f off James.
Just a suggestion.
There's a place I it's arestaurant called Aruba, and I
believe it's in a little towncalled Lauderdale, by the sea,
by the sea.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah yeah.
I've read a lot aboutLauderdale by the sea.
There it was really nice but Iwanted.
He'll be mad at me for tellingthe story, but I wanted to.
I was looking at like things todo in Fort Lauderdale and an
airboat tour of the Evergladesis like one of the top things
and it takes a while.
You know that would be a goodway to spend, yeah.

(58:47):
Time until we can check in.
And he was like Nope, that's aswamp, Don't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I was going to say Gators.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I think it would be really fun.
But then James told a storylater just on Sunday actually,
because Dave Hoffman was talkingabout how much fun that is, and
I guess when James was in thearmy they had to spend like five
days in the swamps of Georgiaand he said it was freaking
miserable.
So anytime he thinks swampshe's like no, been there, done

(59:16):
that.
I'm like airboat.
Airboat tour isn't like thearmy.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Right, they're not going to make you like, get down
there in the swamp.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, so well, bring it back to yoga.
We're going to do some yogawhile we're down there.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
There you go See, this was all about yoga.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yes, and actually we do plan on working.
We have been wanting to work onspecific things that always get
backburnered because of all thedaily things that happen and
that's the thing you're awayfrom the daily deets and so you
can spend time working ondifferent curriculum or
different idea, or whatever thecase may be.

(59:56):
Yeah, and I feel like wherewe're at to like it's it
literally is just the beach,that's the attraction, and we
can sit on our balcony and andget some work done and feel good
about it and and and stillenjoy the healingness of just
being out of our routine and I'mkind of excited about that
because I feel like sometimeswhen you get one out of your

(01:00:18):
routine, but in a new space youjust tend to, the creative
juices are flowing maybe alittle bit easier.
Yeah, it's different perspective.
Yeah, so that'll be done in aheartbeat.
You know like it'll, we'll beback before we know which is

(01:00:39):
fine, because then we have CostaRica to look forward to and and
then we are so looking forwardto Costa Rica Like we have such
a great group going and we've wehave been doing a lot of
planning on that and and it'llthat'll be a really nice trip.
And then after that we're goingto back to Red Rocks to see

(01:00:59):
Trevor Hall play with theColorado Symphony, which is, I
know it's been a while since Isaw Trevor Hall.
I'm going through a littlewithdrawal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I know, I was just going to say we should play
these podcasts as a drinkinggame, and every time Trevor
Hall's name comes up, somebodytakes a shot.
But that wouldn't have happenedtill right now in this episode
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, so we never got back to we never.
I guess what am I trying to say?
Close the loop on the somaticyoga conversation we had, where
I said that there was a bra anunderwear company and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I bought us bras.
Yeah, one day I got a text fromJoyce saying I'm leaving
something on your porch.
And so I go outside and there'sa little bag.
I'm like what could this be?
Told you what you don't think?
Yes, it's a bra.
It's a bra.
It's not I'm feeling myself.
It's not the one I have ontoday, but I, like, I'm a fan.

(01:02:01):
I thank you for that, soma bra,you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I'm a fan too.
I we have matching bras.
I bought an extra one formyself and I'm pretty happy with
the purchase, although I didbuy those on.
They were having their semiannual clearance sales.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
And so they were yeah , so it's not as expensive as I
thought.
And now I'm on their text demon.
So they text all the time withtheir text and email so much
Everybody does now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
But yeah, I think I paid less than $25 and their
bras are usually like what?
65 or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, and that, yeah, it's a good.
It's a good bra.
Some of us it's more importanthow good the bra is than others.
I mean, yours could be purelydecorative, honestly, for the
little apples, but for thehoneydews we need to have some
good support and that that isgood and comfortable, very
comfortable.
So shout out to to soma, shoutout to soma.

(01:02:58):
The only thing I don't love isthe sort of lacy part.
If I'm wearing like a fuzzyfleecy, oh yeah, thing it
collects some, but you know ithappens.
I prefer a smooth bra becausemy, my jugs are out there.
But that's okay, that that'smuch of that is smooth.
Well, we're going over the linehere, aren't we?

(01:03:19):
This is the part where Jamesjust starts shaking his head, if
he's still listening and justwants to know what he got this
for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
There's no way.
So when, what's your?
We've been talking so muchabout your new home and you're
not back and forth as much asyou were.
For a while there I thoughtthat's like.
I mean, your home is beautiful.
I figured she's going to makeevery excuse.
You know, yeah, we are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Well, it's right.
Now is tax season and Jeff hasa tax practice.
So, like last week when we werethere, it was going to just be
my mom and I, but he had FOMO sohe came with, so that changed
the schedule a bit.
And then actually our Charlottekids met us unexpectedly, so
that was fun.
So I have a refrigerator stillthat has to come, so I'll be

(01:04:12):
going whenever they tell methat's ready.
So it will be back and forth abit here in March and April and
then probably maybe like a likeseveral weeks at a time, which
has given me a little bit ofhives, just because that feels
like a long time.
But there's like a musicfestival that we go to down
there and we'll be babysitting adog down there for the

(01:04:35):
Charlotte kids while they're outof town.
So we're probably going to havea few weeks down there in April
.
The dog's going to love it.
So, yeah, there is not really aplan, just sort of like back and
forth and Jeff's I'm not greatat that, like I liked it, which
is weird because I'm not aplanner or anything but I like

(01:04:58):
to sort of know and Jeff willjust be like suddenly like let's
, like he did with Thanksgiving,like let's go the day after
Thanksgiving and I'm like, wait,what?
No, we're having Thanksgiving,what are you talking about?
But then with a little time Idid get on board, so but it's,
it's easy now because we don'thave to pack Right.
There's clothes there, there'stoiletries there, everything's

(01:05:19):
there.
Get in the car and go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Did you take your mom ?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
down, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
You took your mom down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yeah, my mom came down last Wednesday to Sunday.
What did she think?
You know I haven't had a chanceto talk to her much since after
the fact.
I mean I think she liked it.
Who would say they didn't likeit?
I think more than a few daysthere she'll be bored to death
because, like we do, a lot ofwalking and hiking, which isn't
really in her wheelhouse thesedays at 84, with artificial hips

(01:05:49):
and knees and stuff.
But yeah, we did go.
We did some shopping inWilkesboro.
Did you take her to the Walmart?
We did not go to the Walmart,we went to a restaurant we'd
like there called Dooley's,named after a local legend, tom
Dooley, put to death for killingLaura Foster back in the 1800s.
There's, there's, it's fun.

(01:06:12):
So, yeah so.
But then I got a little bit ofa cold and so I didn't want to
breathe in my mother's face andtalk to her.
But hopefully she had a goodtime and I'm looking forward to
getting my sisters and friendsand you and anybody who can, who
can come down, to come on down,are you like?
Like the beach, the mountainsprovide a different perspective

(01:06:32):
and a different mindset.
Good scenery, there's horsesand streams, and it just feels
clean and wonderful and remote.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Are you now like oh, my other house.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I don't know, I'm like I can't really say that.
I usually say like we go to acabin in North Carolina is how I
usually refer to it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Oh, federal change.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
But, maybe that's a good perspective to have.
Like it's because you're notthere all the time.
Like it's like, yeah, you'redefinitely going to get away and
we still love it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
And just this last trip last weekend we put a ring
cam on the door, which was great, because a pillow window guy
came this week to fix somethingand he didn't have the code to
get in.
So I had to say like, hello, Isee you.
And he's like, oh, he was onthe phone trying to call
somebody for a code and I said Isee you, I'm talking to you

(01:07:31):
from Cleveland, but here's thecode.
Do you know?
I had to just stop myself fromactually repeating the code.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Giving it out to the whole international podcast
audience.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yeah, we would have to.
Yeah, everybody just go on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I gave out our whole itinerary, if anybody cares that
we're going to Fort Lauderdale.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Well, it did just happen.
Everybody I know did post thatthey went to Florida and on like
day three they got called backbecause and they don't know if
it might have been like a taxidriver they took a taxi because
they left on Super Bowl Sunday,so they usually would have a
friend driving to the airport oran Uber.
But it was such a weird nightthat they just called a taxi and

(01:08:11):
then their doors were likekicked in, broken.
They had a security system, sopretty quickly alarms went off
and police were coming.
So the people got the hell outof there without stealing much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
But Well, and by the time, this podcast will probably
be released while we're inFlorida.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah or yeah, that's right If you're going next week
or even afterwards.
So sorry, you missed yourchance to rob.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Joyce's house.
Well, it's not like the housewill be empty either.
We have this badass arthriticpit bull that will scare the
shit out of people.
But that people are scared ofnonetheless, I mean he would he
would probably find a little bitmore energy if somebody tried
to break in adrenaline, yeah,and he just broke a window last
year, right Two yeah two, sohe's still got it.

(01:08:58):
When you have a big fat head,he um, he has a wart right on
the top of his head.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Oh he's, he gets warts like I know Dogs just get
lumpy and warty and weird butthey fall off Like they don't
last forever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
But this one's really weird, because you go to pet
him and you're just like there,there it is, Where's your wart.
I, um, I asked the vet ifcompound W would hurt him and he
goes no, but warts don'tusually bother dogs, so yeah,
it's okay to do more than it'sbothering him.
Yeah, that's.
That's kind of what the vetsaid with his eyes Like Don't

(01:09:36):
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Really yeah, crazy woman.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I bought some it's on the it's on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I'm remembering um taking.
Just to interject back where wewere minutes and minutes ago.
I went with my sister, judy,years ago to have her dog, rex,
put down as well.
My mom and I did, and so I'vebeen to very many different vets
doing this, as I'm sure you mayhave too.
And this fat brought in theybring in like peanut butter.
If you want to like, give yourdog some peanut butter as a

(01:10:06):
treat before they, you know,give them the shot, which was
really sweet because Rex reallyloved and appreciated that.
And then another um that I wentto with a friend.
They have a candle that if it'slit, everybody in the lobby
knows to maybe chill out and bea little calm.
Somebody's crossing the rainbowbridge right now, and some
people might come out and beupset.

(01:10:27):
Most places managed to bringyou the little bill on a
clipboard, though, despite yourgrief.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Uh, my vets pretty good about that and I, when I so
I went in my vet doesn't takeappointments, but I did call and
say, like I'm coming in to dothis and, um, they have, it's a
small building and they haveit's it's a clover leaf animal
hospital, which I highlyrecommend that they're just so
nice and they've been my onlyvet, you know, ever since Sally,

(01:10:59):
um, and they have two rooms andone of the rooms has a side
door.
But I've been there obviouslylots of times over the last I
don't know 30, 40 years and, um,the I've been there when people
come in to do accompany theirpets on the rainbow bridge and

(01:11:22):
and it's, it's upsetting, not inlike a way where people get mad
, but like anybody there with apet for like their annual
appointment.
You know it's just hard and Idon't, and and it's also very
hard for the people that arecoming in to do it.
It's kind of like I am here toyou know yeah.

(01:11:44):
And so that's why I called firstand I also cause I wanted them,
I wanted to let them know Ineeded that room, you know, and
I didn't want to come into thefront door.
When I want to bring him, herinto the front door and
everything, um, but I just they.
When I went, you know she'slike what do you want to do with
the?
What do you want to cremation?
And you know the whole thing.

(01:12:04):
And then, after I gave her allmy answers, she was like do you
just want to pay for this whenyou pick up the ashes?
And I was like, no, let me justdo it now.
You know, but they're reallygood about like I think, I think
they understand this isn't thethe top of the mind paying for
it right now.
Like um, but I do also kind offeel like if you get the bill

(01:12:28):
later, it's just another likeyeah, they're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Now you, you know, yeah, so um, but they have in
the heart.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
There's no right way to you know like right way to do
that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I guess the hard thing about being in the in the
lobby or the waiting area, thenat the vet, when, when you're
just there with your dog, not arainbow bridge situation,
especially the older we get,like you know, even when you
have a puppy at our age versuswhen you're 20, it feels like a
long time.
At our age You're like shit.

(01:12:58):
I might have 12 years with this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
And that doesn't feel like very long at all anymore,
because we've seen, look, thestudio has been open eight years
this year, right, I know.
So look at how fast, in theblink of an eye, this could be a
pet's lifetime.
And so it's just a reminder toeverybody.
It's like, oh, one of thesedays, that's what we're going to
be here for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I wish they had longer lifespans and larger
chunks of our life.
They're two, two, two.
It's too soon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Way too soon, yeah, so it's nice to see you on
screen again.
I feel like I haven't seen youin person in in a minute.
Yeah, in a hot minute.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I'm sorry I sound a little.
There've been a number ofpodcasts recordings where I've
been sick this last couple ofyears and I'm not sick very
often, I might have to do withthe change in the weather.
Yes, we get all four.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
We've gotten all four seasons.
A couple of times in February.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, like in the same week, for sure, today's
rainy and warm though.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
I don't know how warm it is.
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
I'll tell you, I mean it's 45, 45 in late rain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
my computer says I'm still in Fort Lauderdale it says
66.
Yeah, 44 over here and, nope,43 in seven house.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Here's a fun fact, my uncle Jack, the late uncle Jack
.
He died right after my dad anddidn't didn't see him much over
my lifetime, but before I wasborn was the police chief of
seven hills.
Oh yeah, jack, harold Yep, andnow you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I'm going to look him up later.
Yeah, I don't need to.
I don't need to Google Googleright now.
So apparently this is theseason ending.
Season four ending podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
All right, so we ended on a grief note, we ended.
We ended the way some seasonsstart.
Grief part of life, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Yeah, so apparently we're going to regroup and think
about yoga topics.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Because James recommends that we get back to
yoga, which is probably true.
It is the modern yoga podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
And really what happened with the shift of
direction was that we openedBrexville Right and the little
bit of time that I had to planisn't there as much as it was.
Maybe I'll plan our wholepodcasting season while I'm in
Florida Lauderdale.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
And you build house.
That's a good idea, because I'ma poor planner, so I'm not
going to plan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Well, and you've been really, really busy too, and I
think that you know.
So we have this podcast oftalking to each other, and
that's a bad idea.
I think we're prettyinteresting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, hello, I mean, look at all the topics we cover
just in one podcast.
They'll make your head spin,totally make your head spin.
So we'll look forward to seasonfive.
Woop, woop and big changes comein your way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
We say that every time, but for real, for real.
So we'll be wrap up to seasonfour.
Joyce, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
We don't have to go through our list of guests
because we had none.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
That's what we can do , right, bring guests back.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
We can bring guests back.
Remember when we used to dothis in person with, I think,
the last person in the interviewwas Daniel or Dave Hoffman.
Dave Hoffman was one of themost recent ones.
Yeah, one of the last ones inBrexville.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
We should do that again sometimes for fun.
Jen Erdalak the Ketterers,rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Dahl.
Yes, I would love to, all right, well all right, we're done.