Unraveling Life's Intricacies: Joyce & Marybeth on Music, Grandparenting, and Gratitude

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two microphones and make a full gas.
Two microphones and you make afull gas.
Hi, this is Joyce and this isMarybeth.

(00:31):
Welcome to the Modern Yogapodcast.
I have my microphone today.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You do.
It sounds a little quiet to me,but I think that might be my
speaker situation.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh, do you like my clear glasses?
I do, I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I do.
I don't dislike them.
They're not my favorite.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I'm gonna be honest Same here, I like.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I know I like a frame on your face.
You don't have to change themfor me, Joyce.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
These are James's.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Right, but yeah, I like the other frame better, so
I'd rather you be in the clearframe that I like, versus the
darker James looking.
There you go.
Those are sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So my glasses should be about what you prefer.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, I don't think they should.
You're the one that has justchanged your glasses twice
because of my comments.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But your comment was would you put the other ones
back?
That's funny.
Yeah, I don't love those, but Ihave.
I think I bought them in a packof five, as you probably do too
, and I do I buy them.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
In fact, how funny.
My Namaste Girls Text String,which is a group of maybe four
ladies that used to come onMonday nights Everybody's kind
of out of town or at the nursinghome, visiting family.
So they haven't been part ofthe Namaste Monday night girls
in a while, except for one, amyShout out to Amy.

(02:00):
But anyway, one of them textedand said what are you guys doing
for cheaters?
Because these just break rightin my hands every time I use
them.
I just buy the cheap dollarstore ones.
So we had a whole text stringconversation about it.
There's a brand called Peepers,which was the name of my cat.

(02:21):
So you know, I of course have apair of Peepers.
They're like maybe 24.99 orsomething and they really are
solid and good.
But my more typical would be tobuy the three or four pack at
TJ Maxx or Marshall's, becausethose are really cute and they
are a little more durable thanthe dollar ones but not as heavy

(02:43):
as Peepers.
Jeepers, creepers, can youimagine when you needed?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
to like, get your reading glasses from an eye
doctor.
And now?
I don't remember that and nowyou can just like well, I don't
know, they have, they have tohave had normal.
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Who knows, I guess, but there weren't so many like
discount tea stores around.
You know, there was like goldcircle, come here.
We didn't even have Target backin the day, which, by the way,
if you try and buy cheaters atsomewhere like Target, they're
not cheap, hi.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Alina.
Alina Ashley's here too.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh hi, ashley, I won't use baby talk with you.
Ashley, I love you with bangs.
I keep meaning to tell you youlook exotic and gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I thought you said bag and I was like good, I got
lots of those.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Oh yeah, no, An old person of my age isn't going to
make fun of your bags, but yourbangs are cute.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Thanks, you like.
That's one piece, right hereit's sticking Morning bang.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Nobody said morning bangs were good, but bang is not
a true.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I learned that you want to show me that.
What about all these curls?
How many curls do you have?
One, two, three, four, fiveMore than, five More than five
curls.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You're a curly girl.
You look good.
Are you wearing Barbies?
That's my stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
You thought you have five.
All right, that that's it, okay.
Okay, bye, bye.
We want to know.
We want to know what.
What Bless you.
This is kind of how it goes inthis house.
Yeah, I'm in one of thesmallest rooms of the house, so

(04:21):
everybody will come here.
James just came out, it's okay.
One of the dogs slowly jumpeddown the bed cold, so she has a
little I can show you.
She has this little table thingthat we call her computer.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh, I see Her office, her desk.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I brought it up here so she can work with me.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
So now she's going to go work downstairs.
Well, she sees you work in verymany rooms in very many ways.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
She's arguing with Ashley on how they're going to
carry that downstairs.
Be careful, okay, I would justthrow it.
Throw the stool down the steps.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I mean throw might be aggressive.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
So you'll say hold my hand and she's like it's in a
parking lot, because they tellthem at daycare, like you in the
parking lot, you always holdhands.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
We try to do that on stairs too.
She's like it's in a parkinglot.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
They're so funny the little things they say, or even
that they just say temporarilyas they're learning the language
, and then we cling on toforever, like my great-niece
Lofton.
For like a minute of her lifewhen somebody would sneeze and
she was a tiny toddler she'd saybless.
And she no longer does that anddidn't for a long time.
But now Jeff and I are likebless.

(05:49):
Or, like tita, he'll sneeze inthe basement two floors down and
I'll hear it because heexplodes like a jackass and I
will tell our Alexa up here todrop in, and then his Alexa in
the basement will be my voicesaying bless, oh.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I didn't know you could do that with Alexa.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I have one on each floor.
And then Jackson, our grandsonlittle Southern boy, has such a
little drawl and when you wantto help him with something, hold
his hand or something he's held.
I got it, Pop, pop, I got it.
Now we say that too when hetries to help each other with
something.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Does your mom have an Alexa that you can talk to her
on?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
She does have an Alexa and hers, of course, is
registered to her account andher internet and her address.
But you can set up contacts inAlexa.
So, yeah, I could drop in onhers and make an announcement.
We've played with it a littlebit, but we haven't very much.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
And it's funny.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I taught hers when we were setting hers up.
This just happened.
Yesterday I went over to changethere's one clock on her
kitchen wall that she couldn'treach for the time change.
So she had me change it theother day.
And then that night she textedme and she's like I'm here
worried about if I'm losing mymind.
She said and you set my clockahead an hour.
She goes, so now it's off bytwo hours and I thought I was

(07:14):
losing it.
But so I was over therechanging that and I hadn't
checked in for a while on whatwe did with her, alexa.
So I said, alexa, who am I?
And she goes hello M.
So at some point I must havejust put my name in her thing as
M.
She goes hello M.
You're at Dolores's and this isDolores's account, but I'm

(07:37):
talking to M oh Reiki.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally freaky.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think my phone is named M, so if I link up that
way, I don't know.
I know In my context you're MB.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
And if I change you to Mary Beth it screws it all up
because you must be MB and yourphone or something, I don't
know, just fine.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'll just tell sign text MB.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
To me it's fine, yeah , yeah, just don't warn me if
you change it to Mary Beth.
You're like I don't even knowwhat you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm just working in the basement and I can feel
vibrations of him walkingdownstairs and now coming up the
stairs.
That's how heavy he walks.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Well, he's pretty tall right.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean, and he's not Now.
He's on the step singing twomicrophones.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Your microphone's not picking that up.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
No, he's singing it quietly.
He knows there's rules.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
How was the pink concert?
Thank you for your clip thatyou sent me.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, that we had just talked about one of her
songs that you connected withthe loss of your one dog who
knew.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Who knew?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So I taped a little segment of that.
Did you get it that night orthe next morning?
Because it wouldn't send fromthe arena.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I got it.
That night, I think I heard myphone buzzing while I was
falling asleep.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
She didn't start playing until after nine, so it
wasn't over until like 1130.
And then there was the wholeparking lot, parking lot.
The parking garage was aparking lot, so we didn't get
home until like 1230 and we werelike officially old, like okay,

(09:24):
you're falling asleep.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
There was a great.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Before.
Her opening act was crap Can'tthink of their names right now
and they were okay.
But before and between theopening act she had a DJ called
the Kid Cut Up and that wassuper fun.
Really A lot of 80s tunes.
You know, djs can be reallytalented at stringing stuff
together and so that was a goodtime.

(09:50):
It's the third time that Stephand I have seen Pink and she's
just unbelievably talented andthe show is spectacular, as I'm
sure you've heard, you know,over the years from many people

(10:10):
I might just be getting oldbecause you know she had dancers
that were wonderful.
She had like for Trust Fall.
She had these oh my God, what'sthe word?
We call it a jump jump with thekids, the trampoline, the
trampoline artists and of courseher on the, on the silks

(10:32):
hanging glitter, just everythingthere was.
But at the end of the day Ithink I've gotten to a point
where I would like less of thatand just more songs from the
artist that I love.
I understand.
Her opening act was group love.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
And they were.
You liked Kid.
Cut Up better yeah they weren'tbad.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I liked them.
I liked them, but nothing.
To put it this way sometimesthere's an opening act and you
right away pull out your phonebecause you're like, I got to
download something from them.
I love this song, or I love itRight.
Yeah, it was.
It was good, but nothing.
It didn't make me go look themup.
I understand what you're sayingabout like all the show part of

(11:18):
the concert, but I also kind ofunderstand it from the artist's
perspective of like people payso much money now, especially
with all this craziness ofreselling and we probably had
the worst seats in the house Ithink there's only two rows
behind us, which always happensto me because I've never really
on the ball with something wenton sale at this moment and I did

(11:40):
see an interview with her whereshe said she would love to.
Oh hell, no, spider, you getout of here right now, go away.
I'm not going to kill you, butgo away.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Should I pause?
I am watching.
Anyway, we're surviving.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
She said she would love a Las Vegas residency
because, as spectacular as hershow is, as a traveling show,
she said imagine what we coulddo with a semi-permanent setup.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, I've told you, the other day we went to see the
Taylor Swift movie and like thesame thing.
It's the amount of people thathave to be involved with like
setting this stuff up and movingit, and I mean it's insane.
So I totally understand whyshe'd want a Vegas residency,
but I feel like Pink isdefinitely the kind of artist

(12:41):
who could do without Right?
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
She did so many different versions of things,
like she did not quite acapellabut stripped down.
Please don't leave me withbackup singers.
She really is so, not justtalented, but what a powerhouse
of a voice and a body and anattitude and an energy.
Her daughter Willow did comeout for her little part of Cover

(13:08):
Me in Sunshine.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Oh really, yeah.
How cool is it to go on tourwith your mom.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I wonder too if, like so, beyonce is coming out with
a concert movie.
I wonder if that's thedirection that we're going in
with big shows like this.
You know which is smart, butlike is everything for the film
and it's always been interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I don't know, in the Taylor Swift movie was it just
performance or was there anydocumentary aspect of it Like
this?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
is how this happens.
Just the show.
No, just the show, just concert.
Yep, because?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
that's always been interesting, I think, to see
behind the scenes is.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
I think the Beyonce one is going to be more like
that.
It seemed like from thepreviews.
Yeah, but yeah I.
So James wanted to get pinktickets for Ashley.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
He told me.
He told me when I saw him atthe studio the other day he said
I was willing to get pinktickets, but they were like, oh,
we're not really that into it.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, so for Christmas he was supposed to buy
us tickets to Lizzo, and thatwas in May and somehow, not only
did it, it didn't totally falloff his radar, he just didn't
like put in his calendar oranything and for whatever reason
, like I knew the date, it was aFriday night, but it was.
I thought, when it came down toit in the month, that it was

(14:36):
the following Friday and becauseshe also her tickets are so
expensive and at that point it'sbetter to just wait to the last
minute, because sometimes theprices will ease up.
You know what I mean?
I think that's what I wassuggesting that he did, instead
of paying like whatever it coston StubHub.

(14:57):
And then that Friday night I'mgoing to bed scrolling through
Instagram and everybody's at theLizzo concert.
I'm like, wait a minute, what?
And so what happened?
How did we miss this Kind of?
The same thing happened withpink, where he was like do you
guys want to?
You know, because I miss Lizzo,I'll get you guys pink tickets
and I would love to see her andI think Ashley would enjoy it

(15:22):
too, but it wasn't.
I think that I probably am moreinto pink than Ashley and what.
There wasn't that like cohesionof like we're Lizzo, we both
would have had like right rightand we would have had a great
time at pink, but like I don'tknow that Ashley is would know
as many songs as me.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Pink is only pink's 42.
So she's, you know, closer toyour age and she's been knocking
out the hits since you knowwe're, which is actually
probably connects a little bitmore with the Lizzo generation.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know what I mean.
But again, it would have beenfine.
But but it wouldn't have.
You just said that you got homeat 1230 and you know Ashley
teaches at a daycare althoughshe's 24.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So she probably oh my gosh, steph and I were like
miserable old bitches.
We were like, oh my God, yeah,and she had stuff, had to work
the next morning early.
And speaking of Lizzo, youfollow her on social media.
I do.
She's been pretty quiet, Ithink I do.
I haven't seen any posts lately,but I wanted to bring up
something interesting and Idon't want it to sound how it

(16:34):
might sound, but if I rememberher like handle on Insta is
Lizzo be eaten?
Yeah, and I love all of her.
You know, body positive message, but I feel like that is
reductive to turn it into like agluttonous eating situation

(16:57):
which is none of my businesswhat you make your Instagram
handle, although clearly I dothink it's my business, because
I've also complained about yogapeople who give themselves a
guru name, which another yogafriend of mine just did that.
So, whatever, really, yeah,I'll text you privately, but
yeah, so I felt like Lizzo beeaten just is something that

(17:18):
somebody else would make fun ofas a mockery, versus she's
probably saying like, look, I'mgonna eat what I want to eat and
look how I want to look, butconnecting even your size and
your appearance just to eating,I don't know.
It just felt reductive.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Well, what I don't.
I'm with you, like I like allthe body positivity and the
inclusion and the comfort withyourself, but I've seen her on
videos, like on Instagram andstuff, where she sort of

(17:56):
responds to people who criticizeher and she says like I am
healthy, you don't have to bethin to be healthy.
And I'm looking at her going,are you, though?
Like that's the bother of likeI mean, she can't be healthy,

(18:17):
her heart's gotta be workingovertime and it's just scary.
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not judgingsize at all, but I just don't
necessarily agree with and I'mnot a doctor- but I Right, and
you don't play one on TV or on apodcast I don't play one on TV,

(18:37):
and so I think that there mightbe mixed messages that way, and
I don't think that you have tobe stick thin to be healthy,
don't get me wrong, but I justdon't know if that's the right
message either.
So I'm on the same page as you,I believe.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
She's had a little bit of scandal too, where you
don't know who's I mean, I don'treally know the details, I
don't know if it was backupdancers or backup singers or
something complained about atoxic work environment.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Which, by the way, whether a work environment is
actually toxic or not, there'sgonna be employees and employers
that don't get along and feellike their time together is
toxic, so shouldn't really bejudged in the court of public
opinion.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
So how do you feel at modern yoga?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Well, I'm an insubordinate type of employee
not that we're employees there,but I think that goes a long way
.
I can shut James down when hegets snippy with me, even when I
was a kid.
I remember working at Cox Cablewhen I was like 18 and my boss,
bob, was a great guy, but hewould get kind of cranky and

(19:48):
when he did I would just makethese crabby fingers to indicate
he was being crabby and it madehim laugh and disarmed him.
Now I realized normal grown upemployed people trying to feed
their families can't beinsubordinate and get away with
it.
So I'm not suggesting it, butWell, he probably there is
something to the idea of youteach people how to treat you or

(20:13):
you put up with what you put upwith.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, and being crabby is why do you accept that
?
Just because and you didn'tbecause he's the boss, right?
You mean, like we're all adultshere, like, if you're gonna be
crabby, then I'm gonna show youthe crabby claws, my crabby
claws.
I, when you, when we weretalking the other day about did

(20:37):
she play glitter in the air.
That's the other side.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
She did not.
She did not.
She has such a large body ofwork now and when you're
promoting a new album, she onlyplayed a couple of songs from it
, which I don't know.
If you've heard her, I think.
Did we talk about the one aboutshe lost her dad?
Oh, and they had a, you know,interesting relationship.
So it's called when I get there.

(21:00):
It's a great, you look it up,you'll love it.
Is there a bar up there whereyou've got a favorite chair?
Oh, yes, yeah, it's a.
It's a nice song.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, after, I guess I.
So the one song makes sensethat please don't or not?
No, not, please don't leave me.
Is it who knew?
Please don't leave me.
That was the one when, whenSamson died, it just makes so
much sense.
But, oh, who knew?
Yeah, and after we podcastedthe other day, I read through

(21:31):
the lyrics of glitter in the airand I was like, well, this is
not really a dog relationshipkind of song and I was like, but
there's every time I hear itit's like, just takes me back to
now.
I'm going to cry again.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Oh, my gosh songs are unbelievable that way.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I can't tell you I was going through a rough time
in the mid 90s, mid to late 90s,and no doubt what was new Gwen
Stefani don't speak and itwasn't a personal relationship.
I was married at the time.
Not that that mattered whatthat relationship was like, but
it wasn't about that, but it wasjust that sort of heart

(22:09):
wrenching kind of song.
I can tell you I can see thedrive.
I remember being on the bridgecoming up.
I worked downtown at the time,so coming up through the flats
Today when I hear that song,that's where my car is, on that
bridge, like on Columbus orCarter or whatever coming up
through the flats.
Isn't that amazing, what musicdoes.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, yeah.
And but in this particular songit was the line have you ever
looked fear in the face and saidI just don't care?
And I remember, I remember likehaving to make a decision
pretty quickly to put this threeyear old dog down, and she was

(22:48):
at the emergency vet or at the.
She was in the ICU at theMetropolitan Animal Clinic and
she wasn't responding to anybody.
And then I came there and shepicked her head up, tried to eat
some food and put her head inmy lap and I that lyric to me
said like it wasn't like.
Have you ever looked fear inthe face and said I don't care?

(23:09):
It's more like I don't havetime to let you scare me.
I need to be strong and makethis decision right now.
And yes, because I, because youdidn't want your dog in pain
anymore and the song is just solike delicate and beautiful, but
strong, and like that's what?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
and that was Annie, she was just, she was awesome,
but Jane used to have that songin her playlist sometimes, and
it what's good about it is itdoesn't have a subject.
You know, you don't know.
It's about a boy and a girl, aman and a woman, a death about.
It's just a very vaporous,wonderful, and it is so

(23:51):
affecting and haunting and hervoice and delivery is just
wonderful.
But yeah, it made you feel thatlyric.
It's like the equivalent ofwhen people's adrenaline.
You know they could lift a caroff a kid because you have to
right at that moment.
Yeah, yeah, so like your ownfeelings or thoughts didn't even

(24:11):
come into it.
It's like this is what has tobe done for her right now.
The, so this was supposed to beour gratitude podcast it is so
this might come out onThanksgiving, and you texted me
this morning and I said yes,let's talk about gratitude and
Tofurky.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
I was at my brother's house last night and they have
some Thanksgiving decorationsout and there's a white pumpkin
on their table that says givethanks.
It's really cute, it's reallypretty.
I thought my sister-in-lawsometimes gets crafty.
I'm like did you make this?
She's like no.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
She gets crafty.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
The kids were like that's backwards, it should be
Thanksgiving instead of givethanks.
It's a pretty awesome time ofthe year with kids in your life.
You know Alina's pretty pumpedup she does.
I'm positive she doesn'tremember Christmas or
Thanksgiving last year, andcertainly not the year before

(25:17):
this would be.
It'll be her fourth technicallyright One, when she was zero,
yeah, so this has to be.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
this is such a fun age, so she'll really Christmas
will be great as she opensthings and looks at lights and
sings songs.
How was Trick or Treat for her?
Did she love that this year?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, she was Cinderella and she was pretty
pumped about it and you know, weactually for the most part
prepped her before we actuallyleft and or left to go Trick or
Treating and we so we live on abusier road and we don't have
sidewalks on our side, but thereare sidewalks on the other side

(25:57):
but people on our streetthey're like not all the houses
are lit just because it's busyand you can go on side streets
or in developments or whatever.
So, our goal was to go acrossthe street and walk maybe like a
quarter of a mile to thedevelopment but hit the houses
that had their lights on.
And a lot of those houses knowAlina because sometimes she

(26:17):
strolls down the street withthese dogs that know what the W
word means.
So the lady directly across thestreet had her light on and you
know she sees Alinaoccasionally and really thinks
she's cute and whatever.
So we you know Ashley was likeremember you go up to the door
and you say Trick or Treat andthey'll open.

(26:38):
And she's just prepping herright.
Well, the lady across thestreet saw us coming down the
driveway and so she opened thedoor and she came down the steps
and was like you look so pretty.
And Alina lost her mind no, goinside, cause she wanted to go
up to straight.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Oh, she was doing it wrong.
Yeah, play with your plug thelady was doing it wrong.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Play with your plug.
Oh, your input Better.
Nope, there you go.
Oh, can't hear you now.
Here we go again.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
There you're back, and now the light isn't flashing
.
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're good right now .
Don't touch anything, okay.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Don't move.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
House one was, you know, was that?
And Ashley was like oh my gosh,I hope she's not like this at
every single house.
And then once she started toget going and people, you know,
she started getting candy andshe thought that was cool.
And then everybody was overprepared and so they were like
take three, take as many as youwant, we're like no.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
No like please.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah.
So Lena's like do you havelollipops, do you?
You know she was getting realpicky and you know she's only
three, so she, she doesn't careif she offends anyone.
All is forgiven, yeah, and thenshe probably around halfway
through, she had me carry herfrom house to house and but we
have this like kind of smalldevelopment down the street and

(28:05):
we did the outside of thedevelopment like cause there's a
, it's a circle, basically.
So we did the outside of thecircle, most of the outside, and
then we hit up one or twohouses on the way home and she
made it.
You know almost well, weprobably didn't leave right on
time, so you know like right atsix, but she probably made it a

(28:26):
good hour and a half, and thenAshley let her have it was cold
here too, right yeah?
It started snowing a little bit,ashley, let her have a little
bit of candy.
And then you know, ashley worksat a daycare.
So she was like, oh my God,tomorrow's gonna this,
tomorrow's gonna be terrible,everybody's gonna have a sugar
hangover, but yeah, it was allgood.
I got to meet some some dogsthat I only get to see on their

(28:49):
porch or in their window or youknow whatever.
But how about you?
I know you were, you were downsouth for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, we were down south and they live in a new
neighborhood.
Everybody built their housethere.
So these the Halloweendecorations were unbelievable,
unbelievable, unbelievable.
I mean driving through thatwould have been enough.
It was chilly for NorthCarolina.
We put gloves on and hats, butyou know the kids don't care.

(29:21):
The kids stayed out and at somepoint Kathleen and I went back
to their house and just handedout candy A lot of, because it's
such a it's very close, housesare close together, neighborhood
sort of like Charleston style.
So most people left, just leftthe big bowl out, right.
You ran into literallyeverybody you knew and each

(29:44):
other's houses.
So it was very, it waswonderful, but at some point we
got too cold to keep walking.
We collected the few placesthat had Halloween treats for
adults, like fireball, jelloshots or whatever, and then we
went back and sat and let justthe men take the kids out.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, that's good.
I think it was fun to havefireball jello shots.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I had some bourbon and coffee in my warm
mug.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
That's really fun.
I actually, James and I endedup going out later, which was
weird Did you dress?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I just wore a witch's hat and wore black.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I didn't start off dressed like that wasn't my
intention, but Ashley.
So Ashley had taken Alina tothe zoo the Friday before
Halloween and they were Alinawas a witch and Ashley was the I
don't know.
They were Hocus Pocuscharacters.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
And so that was like a big drapey sort of robey
costume, and then for becauseAlina was Cinderella, ashley
dressed up as a fairy godmother.
So I was like give me yourHocus Pocus thing, I didn't put
the wig on, and all that becauseit was literally while we were
walking out the door, so, andthen James stayed with us for

(31:07):
maybe like 10 to 15 minutes, andthen he went to Jiu Jitsu,
which was fine, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
He didn't dress up, he just wanted to see he didn't
dress as a Grumpfield man.
Yeah, well, yeah, he did that.
Yeah, I was like why?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
don't you just wear your gi?
He's like it's a no gi night.
Okay, whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But so they have no gi nights.
They only use gi when they likedress and have award ceremonies
or something.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, they either do it with the gi or without the gi.
Oh okay, cause the gi.
You can grab the gi.
If you're just in like JiuJitsu, other clothes, almost
like yoga clothes, then it's youjust grope somebody's inner
thigh instead Pretty muchchanges the game.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So yeah, so when they compete or whatever, do they
wear the gi?
I think well.
Or there's both.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
We could get James up here and have this be a five
hour podcast about Jiu.
Jitsu, I think it's it might.
They might have both categoriesfor, but Dressed and undressed.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Do they have nude?

Speaker 1 (32:05):
No, there's no, well, not that I know of, that would
be.
That would be something whatbelt are you?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yes, it would.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yes, it would, but yeah, we ended up.
Sometimes we go out on Tuesdaynights because Wednesday was our
date night for a long time,because we don't teach.
Neither one of us teach anyclasses on Thursdays, but he now
teaches Jiu Jitsu at six AM,and so we've been going out

(32:34):
after Jiu Jitsu, after yoga onTuesday, which there's really
nothing to do on Tuesday, likeit's the same.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh, even so, I've noticed since COVID a lot of
places are closed Mondays andTuesdays and just open up maybe
Wednesday or Thursday throughthe weekend.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, our normal Wednesday night things are open
Like it's basically the winkinglizard on rock side canteen or
the brew wall in that same area.
In broad view heights, the whatBlue Habanero in Brexville is
Openville 10.

(33:10):
And we I might have said thisbefore, but like we are totally
fine at like a local dive bar.
But I feel like ever sinceCOVID local dive bars have been
just like sad drunks, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
And it's just not fun .
It's not like.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, it's like a sad vibe, not like cheers.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
You know, there used to be a place down our street
that's not there anymore, but itwas like you could stop and it
was, like you know, it wasn'talways the same people, but it
was a pretty good vibe, you know.
And so like there's a place twoblocks away that changed names
and ownership and like it's justnot every once in a while we'll

(34:02):
stop there on like an earlySaturday evening and it's that's
okay.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
But weeknights so we don't even try.
Probably everybody looks at youlike what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, we don't even try local bar like local,
although that's not true.
There's a place in seven hillscalled Terries and it's okay,
Like it usually has people, butI wouldn't call it a vibrant you
never want to be the onlypeople in the place.
Exactly.
Well, you don't.
Then you feel obligated.
You know, like you kind of wantto walk out and then you're

(34:34):
like but the waking lizardalways has people.
You know, like it's just thatyou don't want to go to the same
place all the time, and canteenalways has people, but that's a
whole, that's a different vibeand you kind of have to be in
the mood for it.
And then the brew wall isinteresting because it usually
has people, but much lessinteraction because you don't
have a wait staff.

(34:54):
right, like you go up and getyour own thing, and so it's just
yeah, it's just different.
Yeah, it's different.
It depends on what you're inthe mood for.
Every once in a while we'll goout to Ohio City or Tremont, but
even at that you know it'sTuesday.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
It's Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Boop boop.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
So Well, it's good that you carve time out, though,
even if it's you know, whereverit is, whatever it is.
Cause you've got a house full,so it's good to have that
separation.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I would like to.
Well, we've toyed around,that's, with changing it to like
purposefully doing somethingtogether on Thursday afternoons.
But what happens is that we wesometimes most of the time get
we're so busy, like Monday,tuesday and Wednesday that we

(35:45):
have so much to catch up on onThursday that it's like, yeah,
I'll be ready in an hour, orlike no, I can't, you know,
like-.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, like you make it a hardship for yourself then
to even do it.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
But then we're kicking ourselves for being so
busy that we can't even like goto a movie on a Thursday
afternoon.
You know what I mean Like or goto the art museum or.
But yeah, like this week, onMonday I teach at 5.45, I teach
at 9.30 and strong both inStrongsville.
And then the teacher who wassupposed to sub the noon slow

(36:19):
flow in Strongsville messaged meon the way to my 5.45.
It was like 5.15 in the morningthat she was sick and needed a
sub, and that's a tough one toget subbed last minute, and so
Jamie ended up teaching it and Itaught her 12.30 Brexville slow
flow.
So that was, I had threeclasses in by 1.30 and then I

(36:40):
had my five o'clock power basicsin Brexville.
And then I had two hours ofteacher training from 6.30 to
8.30.
And so, although I had littlebreaks in between, I mean I had
to eat and like clean the studio, you know like regular things.
Did you pee?
I peed a few times Like therewas no time to like really get

(37:04):
anything done in a progressivemanner.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And then, tuesday, three hoursof teacher training from 11 to
two.
We had a meeting from like 2.15to 4.15.
And then I did get a little bitof work done in the next few
hours, but then I had my 6.15class and so by the time I got

(37:27):
home after cleaning up it wasprobably 8.15 and yeah, and then
Wednesday.
Wednesday, I think we podcasted.
Wednesday was a little bitbetter.
Oh, james hung the slat wall inStrongsville on Wednesday and
called me at some point andasked me to come help because he
couldn't.
He can hold it up and screw itin at the same time and that

(37:49):
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
That sounds sturdy.
We talked about that with DanHepplin and the rest of the gang
leaving my Wednesday class.
James said something about aslat wall and I said I don't
know if it's the same as ShipLap.
And he goes what's Ship Lap?
And I said, well, ask Chip andJoanna, because the women of the
world love Ship Lap now, but Idon't know if it's technically
the same, if Ship Lap is justthe painted version of that of

(38:14):
those slats Ship Lap, ship Lap,ship Lap.
And so then we had aconversation about why it might
be called Ship Lap if it wasused on ships or what.
So I'm looking forward toseeing that.
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh well, I think it looks similar I just Googled it
but this slat wall, so actuallyI'll send you a photo.
It has, like slats, slots in itthat we can hang merchandise
from, so it just.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Oh, okay, so it's not .
They're not butted up againsteach other.
It's like where you hang toolsin your garage type thing, only
nicer Kind of yeah.
Where you can put the hooksbetween the two pieces of wood.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Look at your phone.
Yeah, and Jamie's so good atthis, she kind of picked
everything, oh that looks great.
And it brightens.
Yes, oh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
And so, now that we he doesn't want to sit in that
blue chair with pants danglingin them, we talked about that
too, about the couch, replacingthe couch and the chair and
everything giving it a littleoverhaul.
Yeah Well, now that this he'sof course blamed you and said he
showed you several choices andyou had trouble deciding.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
It's not that it's that I wanted to see what this
looked like, when we get rid ofthe front table, move things
around.
We have more room.
So that's what I wanted to see,and so now I can yeah, James if
you're listening and we knowyou're not, stop playing the
blame game.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Don't blame Joyce, it'll happen.
Also to punish James.
He had moved some things aroundin the studio.
When I got there the other dayhe said how does that rack look?
So I, of course, grabbed my ownboobs and said I mean, I think
I do okay, and he didn't knowwhere to look.
He blushed and he said can youever just answer a question

(40:06):
without making it dirty?
And I said well, apparently not.
So don't ask me how the racklooks Reward your question.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
James, right, use different words with dirty
twerdy.
Alina was playing with herdolls the other day and she was
putting PJs on them, but she wascalling them PJs, awesome PJs.
She goes.
No, they're PJs, and she wasn'tsaying it like I'm naming them

(40:37):
after my grumpa.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
She was like this is what they're called.
That's just the words shethinks they are.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, she's.
Oh actually Becky.
There in just texted goodmorning.
Lobby looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Oh good.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But yeah, she's, it's PJs.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
PJs.
I'm going to get my PJs onRight.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
So are you in town for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
I am, thanksgiving is at our house.
That's our holiday, oh yeah,which I love because
Thanksgiving is about food,which is my favorite, oh, and
gratitude and family.
I have a t-shirt that I wearthat says you know, wtf, wine,
turkey, family, nice, but youknow, there's no gifts or songs

(41:24):
or bullshit around it andthere's a usually everybody's in
the world except you know, yogastudios and other services are
off Friday and then through theweekend.
So whether we stay home or leavetown some years, you know you
have time to recover from havinghad a holiday.
There's great leftovers we have.

(41:48):
Every other year is largerbecause I have a couple of
nephews and nieces that do theevery other year thing with
their in-laws.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
So this year I think I haven't counted up yet I don't
know if we, if we have like 15,some years we have up to 22.
So it's nice sometimes to havethe smaller year too, because
then we can all actually likefit in the same room at
theoretically the same table ish.
So I like the on and off.
I ordered my hippie turkeysfrom Jaworskis they you can

(42:21):
order turkeys that are allegedlyhave a good life and are never
frozen and my brother-in-lawsmokes some turkey and and we do
some the traditional way.
A holiday over here is prettyeasy to cook for, because with
my mom next door, you knowthere's plenty of ovens and

(42:42):
stoves and refrigerators andmicrowaves and the whole thing
is very potlucky.
Everybody who comes brings aside or a dessert or whatever
their job is.
So looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
We were talking about Thanksgiving last night and my
brothers they don't really-.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Does your brother always?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
have it.
No, sometimes my mom does and Ifeel bad because we we never do
.
And it's not because I'm Idon't like I'm not a good food
person and you don't, you don'twant me cooking all that.
I mean, james can cook.
It's more of like we haveclasses in the morning and and,
like I was saying, we don't havetime to like prepare the house

(43:22):
and-.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, the time to prepare and recover from it is a
lot for a holiday.
I mean, you got to be sort ofset up and holiday friendly,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
So my mom has it sometimes and I guess she told
my brother that she doesn't wantto have it.
She wants to do Christmas ather apartment and I think
because my brother, brian, andhis wife and son are coming in
for Christmas, so oh, that'sgreat, yeah, so Doug Fun.
Um, doug and Megan were like wedon't mind having it here, we

(43:52):
just don't want to do all the.
They don't want to prepare allthe food and do all the things.
And I don't know you knowMegan's from the South and I
don't know that she cannot dothat.
Do you know what I'm?
Saying Like I don't know if shecan say, yeah, let's do it at
my house, but I'm not going to.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I'm not going to overdo it.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
But you get there and then she's got the China out.
Yeah, like that's fine, likewhy don't we?
Why don't we like plan oneither, instead of like doing a
traditional Thanksgiving?
Why don't we plan on all goingto a movie together at like four
o'clock, or watching a movie?
It would have to be at theirhouse because they have the

(44:31):
space for it, but like somethingreally casual, like let's just
all wear sweats and do our ownfood at our own house.
You know, like obviously likebring something, but not like
have formal meal together Likean excellent idea, but let the
kids play and all that.
So that's kind of where we leftit.
I'm sure.
I'm sure it'll all be fine.

(44:52):
We have, we have two weeks.
Your mom will be good with that.
My mom will be fine.
She just likes to haveeverybody together, I think you
know that's the truth.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
And there we go with the whole purpose of it and the
gratitude of it.
We don't do anything fancy,it's the traditional food, but I
do.
It's the one time a year I douse which is so funny because
we're so casual and it all looksridiculous in this place but
just for the sake of thinking ofit, I do use my, my grandma,

(45:24):
others and my mom's China andsilver, nice, just to say that
you did.
You know, once a year wereremembered.
And actually my mother-in-lawgave me Jeff's mother, who
passed away when he was ateenager, before Patty came
around, her silver silverware aswell.
So we we put that in the mixtoo.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, just an opportunity to think of.
And then my neighbor and extrasister, sandy, who you know.
Her, she has two kids.
So this is my extra sisterbecause we grew up next door to
each other.
They had three girls.
We have three girls.
We were all close in age andbaby sat each other and whatever
.
I was the youngest, so I justgot baby sat.

(46:08):
But Sandy's lost both of hersisters to cancer already and
she's only two years older thanI am.
Sandy is.
So anyway, we were all familyanyway before.
It's not like we needed to makethat change.
But her daughter, amanda, whenshe was, you know, I don't know
eight years old or something youknow, took her little hand and

(46:30):
made turkey place cards ontopaper plates.
So I still have those two.
We colored them with markersand put you know, some ribbon on
them and they're so.
I dragged those out every yeartoo.
So I do, and you know Amandanow is like, I don't know, is
Amanda 30 or almost 30 and livesin Florida.

(46:53):
Sometimes we give her aFaceTime call, but so I do like
that kind of continuity.
Yeah, it's the little things,clark.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, that's pretty cool that you save those paper
plates with her little hand onit.
That's hard with a toddler inthe house, because you want to
save every little thing and thenyou have the stack of.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
My mom actually just had me remove some boxes from
her bedroom.
She said I can't go throughthese because I'll cry the whole
time.
It's your guys stuff from whenyou were little and so I don't
want to go through it.
I'm willing to part with it,but you might want to go through
it because there's things youmight want to keep.
And so I haven't done that yet.

(47:38):
But I appreciated her doingthat because she said first of
all I'd never get through it andI'd never let go of anything.
Right off the top I grabbedjust a couple of childhood books
this one you know from did youuse to do the bookmobile at
school or whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think a schoolastic would come.
This one has in the front of itJudy, Judy Ann Harrell.
My sister Judy wrote her nameso I'm hanging onto that so we
can give her granddaughter Annie.
And then everybody's favorite,Ramona the pest, Beverly Cleary.
And this one has ColleenHarrell's name in it, so I'll
give that to my sister Colleen'sgrandbabies, that's really cool

(48:22):
.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
That's so sweet, so sorry.
There's some kind of utilitytruck.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I see both dogs are alert and their heads are out
the window.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
They're pretty calm, though I mean Colt's mad it's
always.
If Chloe barks, then we knowthere's a problem.
Chloe only barks when barkingis.
Colt just raises his eyebrowsat them.
Colt.
Just, he's just a boy whoreacts.
He likes to.
You know, he's pretty scaryfrom the upstairs window, Two

(48:55):
doors down.
That's really nice that you didthat and you're going to give
them to the grandchildren andlike.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's really sweet and you know, I don't know that
anybody will care.
It'll all probably get thrownaway.
I didn't care about stuff.
You know it's when you get olderthat when you've gotten rid of
all of it, that you start to belike, wow, I wish you know, I
wish I had something with mydad's handwriting or whatever.
And then I found a textbookfrom like 1923 with my grandma's

(49:28):
handwriting all over it sayingI am going to get a job.
She wrote on all thesedifferent pages in this book
because it was like the book waslike the art of homemaking or
something.
And I was like look at thatLike I never knew.
you know Like this is whatFrancis, as a little girl, was

(49:48):
thinking like, screw this, I'mgoing to get a job.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
And back then that's a pretty hefty or different goal
for a woman.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I just write it Like we think we're so new age with
the.
You know, speak it and write itand it'll come true.
Give it to the universe.
We didn't have language likethat at the time, but there she
was writing this down.
I am going to get a job.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I listened to the latest episode of my favorite
murder yesterday, because I lovethat show and they did a story.
It wasn't really about a murderat all.
It was about Nellie Bly, whowas a pioneering investigative
reporter and she like you'llhave to either listen to her or

(50:41):
look up this woman.
She was pretty amazing.
She was born in 1864 and diedin 1922.
But you know, during a timewhere women were supposed to
stay home and take care of kids,and she became a journalist and

(51:04):
it's very interesting.
I can't do it justice, nor do Iwant to like go into all of it,
but she was a pretty strongwoman doing things that women
didn't typically do at the time.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah.
So look up Nellie Bly audience.
And speaking of that, I've beenhearing buzz, not just social
media buzz, but like friendstexting me saying to go see the
Diana and I add movie or I don'tknow if it's a movie or
documentary.
What is it, diana?
It's called NIA NYAD.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And it's Diana, and I add, of course, swam.
Was it from Cuba to Florida orfrom Florida to Cuba, like in
her 60s?
It wasn't.
I remember when she did it, itwasn't that far back, but now
there is a movie about it andthe.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Cuba swim 10 years later.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And actually Amy of the Namaste Girls is who texted
us and said, hey, this movie isworth seeing.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
She said.
On her website it says it was10 years ago, september 2, 2013,
that I at long last stumbledupon the Smathers Beach in Key
West, on the fifth try over 35years, after swimming across
that epic ocean between Cuba andFlorida.
Wow yeah, 52 hours, 54 minutes.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
And for as much as I bitch about menopause and
getting old and muscle tone andall the things, to think that
she did that at that age, youknow, just took something like
that on, and there's so manypeople that just start running
after 50 or just start doingmarathons or mountain climbing

(52:51):
or whatever.
So it really is inspirationalin a way that probably when
people are young they can't evenimagine.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah, I want to swim now, but I'm a bad swimmer.
Actually, that's one thing thatI'm not a good I'll never be
good at.
I've never liked swimming.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Me either.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
It's not that I'm going to drown.
I know how to Right.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I would probably survive for a while I could.
I can make a little progressswimming.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I certainly can tread water, but yeah, it's not a
natural thing for me and therehave been times where I've
gotten uncomfortable in like theocean or like that kind of
swimming, open water swimming,yeah, that's a whole nother
Right.
But I did kind of get oversomething.

(53:41):
I don't know if it, I don'tthink I'm afraid.
I just think I know that I'mnot a I can't, I don't do this.
Well, it's not my comfort zoneand like, I respect that, if
you're not comfortable in thewater you're putting yourself at
risk.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Right, exactly Like I think, if it's not fun and if
it's just a lot of work, thatmight not be even the workout
for you.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I enjoy being in the water on vacation, but I don't
necessarily need to swim out toMe too, on a float that
hopefully has a little.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
A holder for a margarita.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
But yeah, I don't know why.
That is Because I'm usuallylike pretty, I'm athletic, so I
usually can kind of catch onwell enough to whatever it might
be, but swimming is not not upthere for me, that's for sure.
Well, thank you for spendingyour morning with me two weeks

(54:41):
before Thanksgiving to talkabout Thanksgiving.
I hope everybody listening tothis is having a wonderful
Thanksgiving.
Are you a late nightThanksgiving shopper person?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Never have been.
No.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Black.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Friday.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Black Friday has never been on my radar.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Same thing here.
Like too much humanity outthere.
Well, I've always also thoughtof it as a day off.
Why would I want to go out intothe swarm of people, unless it
was with a group and it wouldyou know, like if my cousins or
something would be really fun.
But we've never done that.
So we always talk about it andjust have never done it.
But now, as a small businessowner, I do understand the the

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hype yeah the push.
Like we, you know.
So obviously by this time we'vealready started our Black
Friday sale and you know we'vegot lots of, lots of clothes and
mats and fun stuff and all ofour passes and memberships are
on sale and we'll do some funthings between Thanksgiving and
Christmas and we've got someannouncements coming up that are

(55:41):
pretty exciting for the newyear.
And yeah, I don't know if wetalked about gratitude or
Tofurkey.
Well, I think we've talked aboutgratitude, not maybe in a
direct way, but Tofurkey I'm nota huge fan of but maybe I've
never, tried Tofurkey.
It's not bad, I'm not like.

(56:02):
So I had read some stuff aboutthat's.
That's basically.
I mean, that's obviously Tofuand that's soy, tofu's, soy
based, right, yeah, and justlike everything else that's
associated with breast cancerthere's some studies about like
too much soy, you know and dairyand alcohol and all the things,

(56:26):
all the good things we do.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I think for a meat eater, the idea of taking
something like a turkey or a hotdog and making it out of
something that's not meat is notnecessary.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Like, let's just eat other things, right?
I agree with you.
I'm not a huge fan.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Like why do we have to take an eraser and mold it
into the shape of a turkey andcall it like a vegan turkey?
Let's just say we're not eatingturkey and eat something else
delicious like a lentil loaf.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Like the impossible burger.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I don't know why we had to have impossible burgers
when there are vegetable burgerlike vegetable patties.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, you could make a burger out of black beans, or.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
We don't do fast food , obviously a lot, but Burger
King used to have a I don't knowif they called it a black bean
burger or vegetable burger andit was okay.
But now they got rid of that Imean years ago and have an
impossible burger and it's likewhat is in an impossible burger,
you know, yeah, it's still areally highly processed food.

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Why does it?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
have to be meat, like Right, just skip it.
Don't make it meat like I mean,like what is in a vegan hot dog
.
Why are we shaping it like ahot dog?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Like I said, it looks like a big eraser.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, I used to get food from the get go on the
corner of Drake and Pearl oftenbecause they have like fresh
vegetables and like it's like asubway right and I used to get.
You can order it on the app andI used to get just vegetables
and sometimes it would bephenomenal because it would be

(58:12):
like a sub packed with all theseveggies and it'd be real thick
and you know.
And then every once in a whileI would get one where I knew a
meat eater made it and didn'tunderstand.
It was like there was room formeat and they just left it
Pickles.
Like some lettuce pickle, likewhatever I ordered, the veggies

(58:35):
I chose there was like onejalapeno pepper or one slice one
banana pepper slice, one youknow, and it was.
So.
The was like 70% or no,probably 90% bread, yeah, and
some lettuce, just no bueno,yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I keep seeing on TikTok and Reels and stuff for
whatever reason this last weeksuper chopped sandwiches where
you'd put everything togetherthat you would in a subway
sandwich or whatever, and thenhack the crap out of it.
Hack it up Even with your sauce, even with if you're using oil
and vinegar or mayo or somecheese, lettuce, tomato, olives,

(59:14):
all the things, and then packit back into your bread of
choice or your or your bun orroll and it's how.
So then every bite is all theflavor thing that you want.
Oh, wow, and it looks reallygood.
I don't know why they'resuddenly coming my way, but
makes me want a sandwich Sort oflike when Moo Town and Cold

(59:36):
Stone Creamery came out, wherethey hack up all the ice cream
on that slab of marble in frontof you with all of your candy
and whatever in there, and thenput it back in the bowl or in
the cone.
It's kind of that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
So I just Googled what is the impossible burger
made of Soy protein concentrate.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Sounds delicious.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Right.
Coconut oil, sunflower oil,potato protein, methyl cellulose
yeast extract, salt, gums andwater and additives including
B12, zinc, b6, thiamine andniacin.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I mean gums and additives are so nice and
specific that I'm sure it's allthe best things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
The ingredient that gives an impossible burger the
taste of meat is heme, or,however you say, h-e-m-e, and I
just I'm going to, I'm going toGoogle that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Sounds like a hemi engine to me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Iron containing compound of the porphyrin class,
which forms the non-proteinpart of hemoglobin and some
other biological molecules.
Right, I wish, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I'm going to have to go back and that makes sense now
Hemi heme, but hemoglobin.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But like hey, what Right why?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So what do you, would you typically do for
Thanksgiving if you were havinga traditional Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
meal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I know you thought you were going to end this
podcast episode a few minutesago, but clearly I'm continuing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
No, I'm fine.
I was just saying thank you forspending your time with me,
mary Beth.
We're talking about great funand we have some toferky.
My brother, brian, is alsoplant-based, and have we talked
about this?
Like James and I have had somemeat lately.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, we talked about the.
Somebody gave him some venison,oh so then also James bought
some bison and ostrich and like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
But all James is very particular about where the meat
comes from.
He wants it to be free range,not just free range on a farm
kind of thing, like he you know.
And so he he spent some moneyon some meat and we don't eat it
, it's like once a week and it'sweird, you know, like in it

(01:02:06):
Because I don't.
I just don't, like I could neverkill an animal and so I feel I
should not eat meat because Icould never, do that, but I do
also and this might be age toowe have recently been talking
about, like how we feel afternot eating meat for five years,

(01:02:27):
and I know that there's somethings that are missing and I
can't really put my finger on it.
And so I think Erin Mercuri, oneof our teachers, she said like
she looks at meat like acondiment or I think that's how
she said it and that made sense,and so when I, if I can put it

(01:02:47):
in that, that's that's the mostacceptable like thing in my head
that I can do Right and anylittle bit that you save, or as
conservative as you want to bewith it, is still helpful to the
planet, right and?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
and I mean, I think, if you look at your plate and
envision most of it asvegetables, and then a little
bit of it as a maybe a starchyvegetable, and then just that
little bit of meat.
Understanding how much proteinyou do need, though might need
more than that from othersources, but there's beans and
lentils and nuts, and Right, butthere's it's different it is.

(01:03:30):
It's different it's not acomplete protein from plants
other than quinoa, I think.
By the way, I passed out asorted mixed nuts at my
Wednesday class the other weekbecause I didn't think anybody
wanted candy because Halloweenhad just come and gone and also
that class is a little nutty.
So I said I've given all of youI've in your Shavasana, I've

(01:03:53):
left assorted mixed nuts by allof you, assorted mixed nuts.
And sometimes people need alittle bump of protein or
something after class but theydon't really want to eat a piece
of chocolate.
Or they do want to eat a pieceof chocolate but they feel
guilty doing it with witnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, I think that I heard somebody I think it was
Pat Lobb describing yourWednesday class as the Hooter
class, because it's a hoot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Oh, and because I have the Hooters, so I bring it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
There you go.
So here's another example I hada taste for the Brew Kettles
Black Bean Burger, which isphenomenal, and so we went there
on a Sunday after my Slow Flowclass and James was like, oh,

(01:04:45):
they have Bison Burgers, whydon't we just get those?
Because he was going to makesome meat that evening.
He was like that now I don'thave to cook.
I was like, oh okay, so we hadBison Burgers and I haven't
obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Could you have gotten one Bison Burger and one Black
Bean Burger?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well, yes, we could have, but neither one of us had
had like.
We're just, we're trying, we'retrying to have it once a week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I always demand that if I want two things, jeff order
the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Oh, I'm all about that I'm all about that, yeah,
but we're trying to put meat inour bodies at least once a week
or once a week, and so we justdid.
And I forgot how Bison Burgerslike you don't feel like you had
a burger afterwards, you know,like there's because it's so
lean, like you don't have thatbloated, yucky feeling and I

(01:05:39):
don't know, it's just.
But again, I couldn't kill aBison and I felt bad, um, when I
had to sort of deal with thatsomehow.
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
You should also be careful trying to kill a Bison
Right.
It could be tough, it could bedangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I'm not a Turan.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, I don't.
That's interesting, Joyce.
That might be worth exploringon another episode, maybe with
some meat eaters and non meateaters, like that cognitive
dissonance that you don't wantto eat meat or animal products
but you feel you need to orshould or whatever it is, and

(01:06:17):
how, how to deal with that.
I think that would be good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Subject meta yeah, I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Well, if anybody's out there that wants to talk
meat, yeah, I mean at leastthere are places and ways to
know where your meat is comingfrom and to have it be at least
less of that factory farmingwhere they ram a bolt into a
live cow's head to stun itbefore they slaughter it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Bless you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Well, in fact I might hit Erin up, because I think
she mentioned there might besome home cow available this
winter from her daughter's farm,and that would be nice to know
where it came from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Maybe Erin is our person that we should interview
about this, because shedefinitely knows a lot about
food.
She does.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I wonder if she'd be game for that I think
she would.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
She has a blog called Isn't it Breathing and Cooking,
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yes, this is a nice subject matter for Thanksgiving
if you're listening on things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
It is before we eat the turkey and the gravy.
So we talked about Tofurkey,now we should talk about
gratitude.
Do you do like a gratitudejournal quote unquote, as people
do, or do you just sort of tryand be grateful for things
throughout your day?
My voice sounds a little bitsexy today.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Always.
No, I don't do a gratitudejournal.
I think about journaling a lotof things and I don't, but I
think I'm pretty grateful, Ithink I.
I mean I don't think I needThanksgiving to be grateful, but
I do enjoy the holiday, youknow how about you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
You're going to be in class on Thanksgiving morning.
At each studio you usually doright.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah, we'll have a couple of classes trying to
figure that out now.
You want to teach onThanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, some people don't really do anything, so,
and some people do, so I'll havemy hand up the turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Well, a lot of times I mean you don't get started
unless you're hosting.
You don't get started at eight.
You know like you want to getyour, you can get your yoga in,
and yeah, but yeah, I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I've been trying to be grateful for weird little
things lately.
Like you think of all the bigthings my family and whatever
but to take a moment and reallylook around you and appreciate
something really tiny, yeah,something about the day, the day

(01:09:05):
outside, or somebody you raninto, or the car you're driving,
or that it has seed heaters, oror to look back and be grateful
for a pet that you used to haveand how much it added to your
life.
Picking out weird things isreally satisfying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Yeah, speaking of, he's just licking himself.
He just stopped.
So I was trying to figure outwhile you were talking, because
it's so annoying when they dothat.
Yeah, he's got that slurpy,licky, yeah, over and over and
over that beautiful long tongueand he just stopped.
So, oh, and he just belched too.

(01:09:49):
I don't know if you heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
We couldn't, we did not pick that up.
So he definitely.
I love how they belch right inyour face Like you'll go give
them a big hug and a kiss andthey'll just sort of lean
forward and right in your face.
I used to put my bury, my facein Peeper's belly and just say
thank you for this baby everyday, cause I knew he, we know
they're going to die someday.

(01:10:11):
So, that pet gratitude is agreat thing to be like right
here, right now today.
I'm so thankful you're here andwarm, and then, when they're
gone, you do feel like I didappreciate it and I did notice
it, what they added to my day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Chloe gets a lot of hugs cause he loves them, like
this dog will snuggle with you,like he loves to be warm and
wrapped up with you and he'she's a pit bull, so he's like
it's all muscle you know like.
And Chloe gets a lot ofaffection but she's not, she's
not affectionate like that.
But yeah, this guy will.
He's fickle, she's a woman.

(01:10:47):
We'll take a hug anytime.
Actually, when he takes breakson on walks, when he, you know,
cause he has arthritis, he'll,he'll lay down in somebody's
grass and then roll over andshow his belly and one is belly
rubbed, and then if you'relooking at my junk, and then
that, yeah, and he, if you rubhis belly and like scratch his

(01:11:09):
back or rub his back a littlebit, cause sometimes I feel like
if you massage him a little inhis low spine, it kind of feels
better on his hips and it mightget him moving, because it can
be minutes before he gets up andyeah, and they're just like,
all right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
So if another dog walks by or a person comes in,
he's like, oh, I'm fine, and youknow if you think of that, all
that we know about myofascialrelease and everything- you know
you probably can really loosen,loosen up away from his bones
his fascia, or I think fancypeople say fascia, but I say
fascia, I say fascia cause I'mfrom Parma, and then you can

(01:11:47):
loosen up just some stuff forhim.
You know, speaking of Parma, Iwas I'm a little bit behind and
I was just listening to oh, heloves it.
I was just listening to ourepisode with Patty Kubik and we
were talking about the food inItaly and the wine in Italy and
we made a comment to her yeah,it's not like ordering the bread

(01:12:12):
or the wine or the pasta, youknow, in Parma, yeah, and I was
like I missed an opportunitythere because, of course, the
original Parma is a place inItaly.
Is it Parmesan?
Yes, parma Italy, no, yes,ma'am, oh, parma sausage chicken
Parmajana.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
That's really interesting, so how?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
so how did Parma, Ohio, become a Polish community?
That's a good question.
Well, and it which I do nothave the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Ukrainian.
There's a lot of Ukrainianpeople, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Yeah, so Polish.
What else there was?
Well, I guess it was Ukrainian.
When I was in high school I wastrying to think of all the kids
that played soccer that wasmostly Ukrainian, or oh crap,
why can't I think of the othersort of Eastern European, like
Slovak, which have all sort ofchanged?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Czechoslovakian yeah like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Slovak, croatian, croatian for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
So my last name is Fyakovic and we always used to
joke like my brother.
My brother Doug is like I don'tknow.
I think he's about six feettall and he's not huge, but he's
like, he's not small.
But my brother Brian is likefive 11, and he's very slender
and he's also like he's in greatshape, but he's just small, you

(01:13:41):
know, and we always used tojoke that Brian should be a
kicker in the NFL, becausethey're always the small guys
and Fyakovic would have to likekind of like oh right, You'd
need a whole, wouldn't fit onthe back of the jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I thought you were going to talk about Corleones in
Parma, because that's a prettydamn good Italian restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It was.
I was at Corleones in Parma afew weeks ago with some friends
I used to work with.
In fact, it was a rare nightwhen I was.
I had two sets of plansavailable to me, and I chose
Corleones, because I only seethose ladies maybe once a year.
The other option was some yoga.
People were getting together atMichelangelo's winery for
probably the third time thissummer, so that's the one I had
to forego, although I hated to,and so we texted each other

(01:14:30):
pictures at our variousrestaurants.
But was freaking delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
So that's another place that, like you could go
pre COVID, you could go toCorleones probably any night of
the week and the bar would beopen until at least 11.
Not anymore.
I think they close at nine, thewhole thing is shut down at
nine and I'm not complaining atall because I don't think that
everybody, no, it's just it isdifferent.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Like a lot of times, there's a certain friend or two
that try to go out on Tuesdaynights and Nikos always comes up
.
Nikos is a fantastic restaurantin.
North Railton.
They smoke their own meat, theymake their own hummus.
It's a sports bar.
It's really fun.
I haven't been there.
But they're closed Monday andTuesday.
So it's like I have I'm ridingaround with a couple of Nikos

(01:15:18):
gift cards, actually fromdifferent golf things that Jeff
has had, and invariably, when Imanaged to remember to go to
Nikos, I forget to use said giftcard anyway.
So they just continue to ridearound with me.
I feel like Corleones, though,is where, when I was working on
rock side 20, whatever years ago, I first learned to drink wine

(01:15:42):
at lunch, and not calling outRyan Hirsch or anything, but we
would, our bosses and theirbosses would sometimes order a
pretty expensive bottle or twoof wine at lunch.
Not that they fed us that wine,but you know, it started to
trickle, trickle down theory,trickle down economics.
So that's where I started tofeel like a person could have a

(01:16:06):
drink at lunch and stillfunction well in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
How do you feel about that now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I'm still on board for that.
I wouldn't drink and teach yoga.
My job is different.
I wouldn't drink and teach yogabecause, you know, one could
knock one's teeth out doing crow, which is not to say I haven't
tried yoga poses, you know, on aweekend, at home or at a bar,
so that's another story foranother day.

(01:16:36):
I mean I taught yoga.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Buzzed once at some fault of yours.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Oh, that was some fault of mine.
Yeah, and I don't mean toglamorize or advocate alcohol we
just had it was just voting daybehind us with legalizing
marijuana on the ballot in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
And it was legalized To take a turn.
Yeah, that confuses me a littlebit.
I mean, I voted for it, I don'thave a problem with it, but I
feel like it's medical.
This is the only drug that youget it hard to go to dispensary,
right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
We talked about this the other day.
Yeah, we didn't talk about iton a podcast, we talked about it
right after.
Now it's medical uses.
Are I mean the data is there?
People with various ailments,for pain and cancer, for autism

(01:17:41):
spectrum spectrum disorders, andpeople are finding such relief.
But, as you said, the quoteunquote prescription is so
nonspecific.
It's like here's your medicalmarijuana card, now you kind of
go figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Try the super silver haze and see how that works for
your autism.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, so it's almost like there should be two, but we
do.
You know people self-medicatewith alcohol, but alcohol hasn't
been shown to help all theseother things, obviously.
So it's not really an apples toapples comparison.
But you're right.
There's recreational marijuanafor, you know, for relaxing,
like you'd have a glass of wineor, forgetting a buzz, but then

(01:18:21):
there are such medical uses thathopefully maybe there will be
now an opportunity to separatethem and have medical
professionals feel good aboutmedicinal dosing and
specifically using the products.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
And on the Ohio marijuana card website that I'm
looking at right now there'sthis like chart that has Indica,
hybrid sativa and CBD dominanton the top and then on the side.
It's the best time to take andwhat it's good for, and the
popular strain.
So, like Indica, the best timeto take it is nighttime, you

(01:19:02):
know it's good for relaxation,muscle spasms, nausea, pain,
insomnia.
So you know where sativa isgood for depression, pain, focus
and creativity like.
But the sativa popular strainsare super hem and late or the
super lemon haze and grapefruitsourdream.

(01:19:23):
Like if you're on, if you're onZoloft, you don't go to the
Zoloft dispensary and say let metry Right, right, and so we're.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
And also so where's, you know, the, the checks and
balances for, for interactionsand everything?
So I'm sure all of it's goingto continue to morph and change.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Right, but I do think that it's much safer as far as
interaction, like generallyspeaking it's.
It's much safer than alcohol,it's much safer than whatever,
but I just, yeah, I don't.
I don't understand how, like,let's just call it recreational
marijuana, then that's fine,right, that's really what it is
Cause if you're, yeah, using itto self-medicate or whatever.

(01:20:01):
But it does have such greatmedical uses.
It's just very confusing inthat sort of term.
Yeah, so there's, there's mytake in.
There's our medical medicalmarijuana discussion.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
There's a lot.
I guess there's a lot todiscuss.
I don't know if I said this onour last episode, but on voting
day, speaking of Parma, where Ilive, there's always a bake sale
at the polls, and I reallydon't know if that happens in
other communities.
I saw that too and last left.
However, whenever the lastelection was my time, hop came

(01:20:41):
up, app and I asked the samequestion.
Now people from around the areaand around the country are
telling me no, they don't get abake sale.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
As your voting thing at a church it is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah, it's on.
It's actually where I went topreschool, but it was such a
different building then called.
It's called Bethel Temple orBethel Academy now.
Now I think it's a K throughsix school.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
And that's where I used for school thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Oh, okay, oh, for like a fundraiser kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Okay, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
The other day I think it was Wednesday I stopped at
the Strong's Little Rec Centerto pick up.
We have to put forfeit feedeposits Like we have to.
Yeah, we have to put forfeitfee things in for softball.
For each team it's like 80bucks, because then if you
forfeit you end up paying bothteams fees and whatever.

(01:21:39):
So it's one of those thingswhere it's like, yeah, I got to
do that, I got to do that and Ijust finally did.
But I walked in and the lady atthe desk was nice but she was
like, oh, do you work at modernyoga?
I'm like, yeah, it's my studio.
She's like, oh, and she waslooking through all these

(01:22:00):
envelopes to get my fees and shewas being like a little like I
could tell she wanted to saysomething, but she wasn't.
She was nice and she startedtelling me how she had trees
knocked down at her house thatwere 30 years old and all these
things.
And then so she found bothenvelopes because it was for
summer.

(01:22:20):
Like we had two teams in thesummer.
I never picked up either ofthem and then just one
transferred to the fall.
So it took a little bit of likegoing into different envelopes
or folders for her and then, asshe was taking it out, I had to
sign something.
She was like I've been tomodern yoga and I was like, oh,
you know, I don't want to like.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I'm not gonna sell yoga at the rec center and I go
oh well, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
And she goes.
Yeah, my daughter went with me,we went together, and so my
guess is that they went to adonation class.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
And this this woman was older, so I'm guessing her
daughter is an adult.
And you know she's like, yeah,we went.
And I was like, oh thanks, youknow, and she was like my
daughter was like this isdisgusting.
I don't know how you could dothis, people, I love people.
And I stood there for a momentlike so.

(01:23:23):
I wish I had a differentresponse, but I did say it's not
disgusting.
And then she goes, oh no you'reright, it's not disgusting, but
you have to be in shape to doit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I go, actually you don't, and you know I was like,
and I know from all my jokesabout not running that she might
have in her mind been beinglike self deprecating like I you
know, because sometimes Ilisten to things that I say and
I'm like, well, that came outshitty and not what I meant, so
we could give her the benefit ofthe doubt.

(01:23:55):
But we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
It was a very odd thing.
She wasn't necessarily beingrude.
I think she was trying to tellme that she has decided what I
am presenting.
Oh yeah, yeah, right.
Like there's no other optionthan the donation class.
Like there's not Slow Flow orCherry Yoga or Yin, because

(01:24:22):
she's already.
She already hit her.
No, because her daughter heryoung daughter, who's probably
in better shape, said it wasdisgusting.
How you could say a yoga classis disgusting is beyond me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
but and disgusting is a strong word that she used.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
It's not like she kind of felt disgusting because
she sweated so much, but likewhy is sweating a bad thing?
I've had this conversation orthis has come up a few times in
the past few months where peopleare like I don't like to sweat,
do you sweat in class?
I'm like how do you not sweatduring life?
And like how do you get anykind of like physical activity

(01:25:01):
in if you are opposed tosweating?

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
But there's a lot of people that don't exercise is
not part of their life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Right.
But there's been cases where Iknow that exercise image size is
very important to somebody, youknow so.
But like, and so here here wego.
Right.
So what, as I was driving awaytrying to like process, I don't,

(01:25:31):
I didn't handle it wrong, but Icould have handled it better
and it's good because it's apractice right, like just yoga,
where what did I really want tosay?
Like one, I wanted to say doyou just realize you told a
small business owner that theirbusiness is disgusting, but that
would have took me down anegative path, right.

(01:25:51):
Right Two, what was reallygoing on was that she doesn't
like to be uncomfortable, likemost people don't.
But when you get into your yogapractice, you sit and take a

(01:26:12):
look at what's uncomfortable andwhat's making you uncomfortable
, and how you sit with thediscomfort and what you're
willing to tolerate.
So again, she's decided whatyoga is because it's probably
just stretching.
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
And so how do you have this?
It would be almost impossibleto have this conversation, like
to be like, hey, you don't evenknow what you're talking about,
lady.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Yeah, oh, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
You decided before you came to class, basically
that this was probably not goingto be your thing, or if she
felt it was too hard for her andit made her sweat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
then she has no choice but to disparage it
because she actually felt lesserthan Right, but I might have
mentioned this before, even onthe podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I have really been hearing lately or maybe it's
been louder to me lately howpeople, society and I'm not
talking to all of society, but Ifeel like I talked to enough
that we expect to be judged, weexpect to be made fun of, we

(01:27:19):
expect to be like.
We just don't expect to besupported when we do anything
because, right, we're alwaysdefensive of our appearance.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
You know, I picked up my mother-in-law at the airport
the other week and I was justall sorts of embarrassed about
the state of my car.
Why would she care?
I'm picking her up at theairport.
She's going to be in the carfor 20 minutes and she's not
going to get bit by anything andshe might have some peanut
butter.
Right, right, yeah, we do.
We're defensive from the timewe get up in the morning of what

(01:27:52):
we haven't done right or is notacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
I can't do yoga.
People are going to laugh at me, or people are, you know it's
like.
Well, why is there thatexpectation?

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Because I'm sure.
Yeah.
How do we create a supportiveworld instead?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Right, like I'm sure there's other things Like I
can't take swim class becauseeverybody else is going to be
have ripped abs and you know I'mgoing to be uncomfortable and
it's.
And then we're always trying tobe better than or compare
ourselves to other people, right?
So if it didn't matter, if youwere the main focus of whatever

(01:28:29):
your activity is whether that'syoga or swimming or running or
skating or whatever it is thenwhat does it matter?
Whatever anybody else thinks ofyou, what you think of me is
none of my business.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Like it's not about you as muchas it's about the person.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
And right.
And that got me thinking intodeeper things of, like how much
of my life was trying to get theapproval of other people right,
which has to be how much.
I mean, we all start that wayright, because we want to get
our parents approval and youknow.
But then you grow up and youwant, you want to, you know,

(01:29:08):
when you were young and you hada crush on a boy and like I saw
this with Ashley in high schoollike all of a sudden Ashley was
in the baseball right, likebecause she wanted to make that
connection with him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah, you do it in small ways, and then you can
accidentally do it in big waysand really subjectate yourself,
and then you don't know yourselfanymore.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I know this was the case for me for sure, like I
didn't know myself anymore.
I think that's a lot of whatI'm going through now.
It's like like I'm getting toknow myself at deeper and deeper
levels, and some of the thingsthat I've been through in my
life were a mess because itwasn't really me.
It was me thinking that I wasdoing the thing that was going

(01:29:53):
to make everybody else happy orsatisfied, but I didn't even
really know what I liked orwanted and cause it was never
encouraged for me to know what Iliked or wanted, which, and I
don't think that this is unusual.
That's what I'm saying.
I feel like in these phone calls, in these conversations, it's
like why are we so worried aboutpleasing each other, at the

(01:30:15):
same time being better than eachother and at the same time, you
know, why don't we just kind offigure out that we're doing
this together and why, yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
We're really, yeah, all in the same boat, brothers
and sisters, not to be all thatway about it, but truly
everybody's got shit,everybody's confused, and but
it's funny.
You know, human naturesometimes is very giving and
wonderful, and sometimes yourfirst, you know.
Road rage is a perfect exampleof sometimes your first instinct

(01:30:48):
is no, I'm not letting you in.
You will not get in front of meRight, like in the parking lot
the other night, leaving pink.
It was like oh, don't let thiscar in front of you.
Look, we are going to get out.
At the same time, can you notbe a dick?
Here's another fun thing thathappened A young girl I'm a

(01:31:09):
teenager, maybe or 20s, I can'teven tell because I didn't get a
good look at her face parkednext to us Her mother, we
believe, is who was driving, andthere were some other girls and
she looked at Steph who was inthe driver's seat.
We were at the top deck of aparking garage so we were
waiting.
Yeah, she said I'm going to peeright now.
So she peed next to Steph'sdriver's side door.

(01:31:32):
She was opening the passengerside of her vehicle and standing
there peeing and we were justlike I mean, it's not like it
blossom where you can go behinda tree, you're on concrete and
you're standing six inches froma person.
You just informed that you'regoing to pee and Steph just

(01:31:52):
shrugged like, well, ok.
And then I mean, clearly theyhad been drinking, which is fine
.
I mean so had we.
But she was like oh my God,it's on my shoe.
Oh my God, it's still comingout.
This is such a huge puddle andI was like what is happening?
How is this?
Ok, oh my gosh, I know, I meanI'm not going to say I haven't

(01:32:12):
had to do that.
At Blossom Music Center outdoorvenue, the girls go hide in the
woods, right, right, it'sdifferent than the top level of
a parking deck.
I mean, granted, it's dark out,but there's lights and you're
just standing there.
There's lights and you're justpeeing on.
Anyway, I don't know how we gotdown that tangent, but just

(01:32:33):
human nature is a little unusual.
And back to voting.
Has anybody changed their votebecause of one of the 64 signs
that say vote yes or vote no onissue one or whatever at the
polls?
Are we wasting resources?
Are we wasting paper and inkand time by putting these signs
up?
I think yes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Are we wasting ink and paper and time by making
people go to the polls and votewhen it can all be done
electronically now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Well, that's another argument as well.
And speaking of politics, jeffand I watched Chepaquitic when
we were away.
So you and I, chepaquitic, areyou familiar with that story,
what that means?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
OK.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
It happened the year I was born, right as the
moonwalk was happening.
1969 was a big year and I wasborn.
So there you go, hallelujah.
You were born a little later.
So it was when Ted Kennedy whoPresident Kennedy?
Had already been assassinated.
Bobby Kennedy had beenassassinated, I don't know, a
year before and Ted Kennedy wasa senator and the probable going

(01:33:42):
to run for president and he wasat a party off of Martha's
Vineyard and the little placewhere the little bird was called
Chepaquitic, and he had a.
His wife was home on bed rest,pregnant with their child, and
he had a staffer from Bobby'scampaigns that were at this

(01:34:02):
party and he drove, accidentallydrove his car off Chepaquitic
Bridge and dumped it into thewater and he got out and young
Mary Jo Capecini did not, andinstead of immediately alerting
the authorities he went back tothe party and got his people.

(01:34:23):
They tried to get her out.
They could not.
So it wasn't until hours laterhe assured his friends he was
going to report it immediately.
Everybody went home and slept.
He did not report it right away.
A guy in his son that wentfishing off that bridge the next
morning saw the car and ran andgot the sheriff.
And so it's.

(01:34:45):
It's the story of you know, dowe know what really happened?
Cover ups he ultimately didconfess that he was driving and
that he was in a state of shock,and but I hadn't seen a movie
about it before, and so it was.
It was interesting and it waseasy enough to watch.
It wasn't really slanted oneway or another.

(01:35:07):
It probably didn't give muchspace or time to Mary Jo
Capecini and the person that shewas.
It was about that time and thecover up or whatever.
But putting yourself in hisposition, even how?
First of all, it makes me thinkdo we know how to get out of a
car that is plunged into thewater?

(01:35:28):
And then only he knows if hetried to get her out or not.
And of course he.
He did run for president acouple of times.
He was never elected, but hedid go on to have a long
political career until he diednot terribly long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
I just googled it and I remember and, as you're
talking to her, I remember likeknowing about it, but I
obviously I don't watch themovie or I don't know the story.
Kennedy curse, as they say,kennedy curse.
Where did you and Steph end upgoing to dinner?

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
We went to Cordelia, which is on 4th Street.
It might be the one that usedto be the Michael Simon place,
not the barbecue place, becausethat's still there.
Lola, or Lolita Lola was theone down there.
Was it good?
It was good.
We sat at the bar and we split.

(01:36:27):
They have some, you know, it'ssort of an interesting menu and
so we just split various things.
We had a spinach and artichokedip that they served with salt
and vinegar chips and all of itshomemade, so it's next level.
And then pimento cheese dip andcrackers homemade next level.

(01:36:48):
And then a burger on a reallyweird delicious bun that had
like everything bagel typeseasoning on it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
It had cheese on the burger, but they griddled the
cheese as well, so it got kindof crusty and dark.
Oh and yeah, it was all reallydelicious and we split the
burger, thank goodness, becausewe never could have finished it.
It was really good.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
I'm on their website.
They have their menu and itsays supper.
So what's?
The difference between dinnerand supper.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Well, the theme here, apparently Cordelia, was named
after the chef or owner, rathergrandmother or something.
So they are trying to docomfort like elevated comfort
food.
So that's probably why the wordsupper came into it.
It's like when my mom tells meshe's going to fix something to
eat.
I say what is it broken?
Are you going to cook somethingor make something to eat?

(01:37:43):
We don't have to fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Dinner typically holds a more serious connotation
, or refers to a healthy or, I'msorry, refers to a heavy, full
meal, while supper is often usedmore informally, refers to a
lighter meal eaten at home.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
So Well, it was delicious and shareable.
You know which?
Is always fun to do, to trydifferent things, because the
flavors were great.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
I have to check that out.
I haven't been downtown in awhile.
I kind of wish I did go to seepink, especially after everybody
was posting.
I'm like, oh, like everybody Iknow is here, why am I not?

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
here, and this is so.
When I saw the next day, I waslike I knew so many people there
and I didn't run into anybody.
But again, I had pretty poorseats.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
I saw that Patty was there and that makes me happy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
I don't know if you've talked to Patty since her
surgery.
I've checked in on her a littlebit but but since we
interviewed her on the podcastand so everybody's aware of this
, I wanted to tell you the exactwords she said last time I
checked on her and the reason Itexted her choice was that the
three of us need to rescheduleour date.

(01:38:55):
So here's what Patty said.
This is post-surgeryinternational podcast audience.
Met with the doctors yesterdayand reviewed the pathology
report.
The immunotherapy drug hasworked and there is no sign of
cancer in the original tumor orany of the lymph nodes that were
removed.

(01:39:15):
Wow, they're recommending thatI continue taking that ketruda
for another seven treatments aslong as there aren't side
effects.
The news is almost unbelievable.
We were totally stunned whenthe doctors told us that.
So yeah, so that's great.
Things are going as absolutelywell as they could possibly be.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
That is amazing, wow, yeah, so she might have been
okay if she didn't have thesurgery too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yeah, who knows?
Except you don't know what youdon't know.
So they would have needed toRight right.
Look and get it out, but yeah,so that's great news.
Immunotherapy stuff seems sopromising.
I keep hearing similar stories.
Yeah, all right, well, I'vedragged this thing on like a

(01:40:07):
whole extra half hour beyondwhere you tried to shut us up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
I wasn't doing that on purpose.
I just thinking about it.
International, I'm looking at alittle something on my desk
here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
That is a birthday gift for you, because it's your
birthday month.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Don't get excited.
It's nothing big, but I'mlooking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Ashley this morning was like, do you want me to make
my own decision on your gift,or should I consult you?
And I was like you're a prettygood gift giver, so you know,
I'm like, but it's up to you.
So yeah, I don't even think sheknows that I want that.
Oh no, she knows I want thehydrate flask.
Oh my gosh, I'm going to justbuy it, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
That is just insanity .

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Oh well, by the time this podcast comes out.
I'll either have it or I won't.
So if you've seen me walkingaround with a light up water
bottle about this, like whateverWell in the water bottle that I
have right now, I think I'vementioned this like I really
like it, but it you can knockthat thing the top off of it.

(01:41:12):
I knock it open probably dailyand make a mess somewhere.
So even I know I don't have tospend $90.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
No, the same thing has happened to me with that
because I have that same one,Like if I throw it in my bag or
something, that lip can kind offlick because it has the straw
sucker thing.
But it also has a bigger holewhich there's probably a nicer
way to say bigger hole thanbigger hole.
But yeah, I get that.
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I'm going to continue to mock you and the rest of
America for that, well, I'mgoing to buy that thing if I
don't get it so.
So there's that.
And then there's a few otherthings I wanted and specific
things I don't really.
So I don't really like doinglists like this, but I find them
helpful for my family membersso that they know what's you

(01:42:03):
know, because because you don'talways want to buy somebody a
gift card.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
Right.
This last two years, our familyreigned in the crazy and us
adults have picked names forChristmas, and we have a Google
document that we share andeverybody puts a few things in
there that they might like tohelp guide.
And that's been that's been good, yeah, so I'm so proud because
I was reading everybody's, sofunny.

(01:42:29):
For Jeff I put in he needs abucket with a lid because there
are snakes in the mountains.
But, like my, my one nephewasked for the pocket Poe, the
pocket Edgar Allen Poe, which Ilove because I love Edgar Allen
Poe.
Yeah, just some fun stuff.

(01:42:51):
My, my, his wife, hillary, hadput something in like easy to
care for houseplants.
So I of course put a commentlike if anybody figures that out
, please let me know what thatplant is.
Because Right, but anyway Idigress.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
Well, you have a great Thanksgiving.
Mary Beth Tourty, you too, ifthis does air on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Thanksgiving if our, if our technical team gets this
out on Thanksgiving.
I hope everybody is having awonderful Thanksgiving and knows
how grateful we are.
Yes, For our listeners and foreach other, and for our yoga
practice and our yoga students,and just the opportunity to
share time together this way.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Yeah, thank you, only if you're listening.
If you're not listening, screwyou.
You're not listening, fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
In the butt with a cucumber and with that, oh, that
took a turn, that took an uglyturn.
All right, we're done.

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