Yoga, Religion, and Plant Medicine: Joe's Unique Approach to Spirituality

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Two microphones and make all gas.
Two microphones and you makeall gas.
Yeah, hi, this is Joyce.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
And this is Jamie.
Welcome to the Modern YogaPodcast.
We have a special guest co-hosttoday.
I think our Modern Yogaaudience knows Jamie Pantia very
well.
She's been on a couple ofepisodes.
She's been on a couple ofepisodes Actually, your first

(00:44):
time on, you were a co-host.
Yeah, this is my secondco-hosting experience.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Are you nervous?
No, no, hey, it gets me out ofwork now.
Are you going to try to be likeMary Beth?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'll try my best to slip some dirty, twerky jokes in
there.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You did just mention that she's bleaching her
basement, and immediately shewould have something to say
about that.
So I think I'm in tune.
I got you, mary Beth, and wehave a very special guest today.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
His name is Joe Calliacova.
Am I saying that correctly, Joe?
Sort of it's Calliacova.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Calliacova, that's right, I should have looked at
it Sorry, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Elina used to say sorrow.
Joe is a recent teachertraining graduate.
Do you know your graduationdate, joe?
We'll call it like three weeksago, that's a good guess.
I'll look at the Instagram andfigure it out, although it's not

(01:48):
on my Instagram, which I pulledup, it's the modern yoga
Instagram, and so Joe has been.
Well, you signed up fortraining a while ago and you
came in and then you kind oftook a hiatus for a while and
then you got a little bit of abreak and then you came in and
then you kind of took a hiatusfor a while and then you kind of
came back, you eased in andthen at some point you were in

(02:09):
full force.
Full force probably isn't theright term for a teacher
training, but you're, you wereattending regularly.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
July 30th.
That would be the officialposting date.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So that would be the date, then I I try to post the
day that everybody graduatesthese days.
So Joe's been teaching powerbasics in Brexville for on
Wednesday mornings for about thelast month and we kind of knew
it was temporary, because Joehas has big plans and and we're

(02:43):
all interested in hearing aboutthat, and so I just I I'd like
to start by asking what made youchoose to get into teacher
training?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes, there was a couple of things.
I got into yoga just throughlike spirituality practices and
just like seeking spirit, andthen I was kind of like figuring
out what I could do with mylife where I'm like still

(03:17):
hitting all of those likespiritual you know boxes on my
checklist and still like makingmoney to survive, and yoga was
like perfect so I could makelike a little bit of money and
still like hone in on myspirituality and where I want to
go with that.
So that's what kind of drove meto teach for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And you're.
You're a deeply spiritualperson and you're very young.
How did how did that all comeabout?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Um, yeah, so I'm 23.
And when I was about 16, Ithink I was going to, I went to
Holy name high school, so it's aCatholic high school, and K
through eight I was all publicbut like I was raised a Catholic

(04:10):
Christian.
And when I was 16, like I hadthese cynicals of Mary.
It was basically like everyWednesday we would go to the
chapel and pray and I had somereally big revelations there.
Um, that kind of set me on thispath of, uh, like just kind of

(04:30):
seeking and being with spiritthroughout my walking life.
So that like really set me upinto it.
And then from there I just keptfollowing and kept following
and led me to here.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
You say that you had a revelation while you were in
Catholic school.
Is that what I'm hearingcorrectly?
Sorry, yeah.
So I'm curious.
Was your cause?
We've we've kind of had theseconversations a little bit
during teacher training, I guess.
What was your revelation?
If you don't mind, you knowwhat?
Did it direct you away from thetrack that you were on into a

(05:06):
totally different one?
Or was it kind of combined?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, so I grew up with like a lot of uh like
self-loathing and depression andstuff.
Um, so, in those like sequencesof the cynical Mary, it was
really like me coming out ofthat and like I was living a
path where I was just assuming Iwas going to die like really

(05:31):
soon.
So I I wasn't taking care ofmyself, I was really mean to
people.
Um like I didn't have a lot oflove in my heart.
So that just kind of opened meup to say like, um, like there's
more to this.
So like when you end likeyou're going to see it all and
you're not going to be able to,you know, go back on that, so it

(05:55):
really like hit me and I waslike, wow, you know, I have a
lot of stuff to be grateful for.
And uh, yeah, something justkind of snapped there, where it
was uh like a big beam of lightwas like, wow, holy crap.
Yeah, it's overwhelming to talkabout it now, for sure, but it

(06:16):
was definitely that flip of likebeing super depressed and not
knowing what to do about it, tolike just being grateful that
I'm I'm still here, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Do you uh-huh moment?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
So do you?
Do you consider yourselfCatholic or Christian?
Now, Um, that's a greatquestion.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I consider myself.
My favorite term, I found, iscalled an undo, which is, which
is a Hindu Um, but your wholegoal is to undo everything that
you've been taught.
So, really, you know we're justundoing Um, but I would
consider myself like a Christianum, a Buddhist and a Hindi

(07:04):
worshipper, um, I really go likeall over when it comes to it.
Uh, I also do practices ofAllah Um and then, like I have,
uh, definitely like some deeprooted like Rastafari and vibes
that come through a lot.
So, uh, I've rocked with thatfor a while too.

(07:25):
Yeah, do you feel like you're aChristian now?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, do you feel like you're?
I'm just going to, I'm tryingnot to play devil's advocate,
I'm really just curious, but doyou feel like you're picking and
choosing parts of religion orspiritual practices that work
for?

Speaker 2 (07:48):
you or.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, and so I guess I'm asking for the international
podcast audience.
Like what about the parts youdon't like, that you disagree
with?
You know, like, how do yousettle that?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So my plan is to go deeper into other practices to
understand those messages.
So, like I got steered awayfrom Christianity when I was
young, I think, cause I wasn'tinterpreting very well, so a lot
of stuff scared me and like alot of stuff just really turned
me away from it, um, and made mewant to run away.

(08:23):
Uh.
So once I got like, once Iopened up to like a Hindu
practice, it allowed me to likeget some information Then then I
could look back on my otherpractices and say like, oh,
that's where it was reallytelling me to go, you know, um,
where I was kind of gettingcaught up in the drama of the
words.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
So, but with the things that I I don't like, like
Hinduism, for example, likeit's a vegan tradition and uh,
I've been doing that for a while, uh, but I've had my slip ups
and stuff, like I each I canes,probably like four weeks ago,
and that's definitely the lasttime I'll ever eat chicken.

(09:06):
That was it for me, um, butyeah for sure.
But like I still had that desirein me and I still had that like
draw to just be like.
You know, as a kid this wastotally fine and I should be
able to enjoy it.
You know, like a tantrapractice tells me to just enjoy
life and, you know, just stayunattached.

(09:28):
So, um, I find like balancingeverything is what I shoot for,
Um, but not really diving intoone, because I feel like I get
caught and then I say like, ohwell, then this won't work, and
it's.
The Trevor Hall is like allpaths are one, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Oh no, we got another village person here.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
It's the villagers, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I know, but it's there forever.
The village people.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Um, I understand, Like, I've had similar, similar
experiences, um, evenparticularly lately, with um
veganism.
Like I, james, we've both beensort of noticing how Like

(10:25):
differences in our bodies andand and minds.
I guess to a degree, because wehaven't had any meat for a
number of years now and weobviously listen to a lot of
podcasts and we are constantlylearning Um, and you know, we

(10:45):
know that protein powders of allvarious sorts just don't
deliver what animal products do.
And so one of James's friendsfrom Jiu Jitsu gave him, um,
some meat from a deer that herecently hunted and James made

(11:06):
stew on his birthday, which wasjust a few days ago, and it and
I had some actually just hadsome now too.
This is the rest of it and Idon't like, like Danielle said
on on when she was on thepodcast, like everything's fine,
I just don't, I can't, I don'tfeel right, not physically, I

(11:32):
don't, it doesn't settle with me.
Well, like, if I don't knowthat meat is in something.
I was head lunch with Jamie afew weeks ago and it wasn't
watching, but I'm pretty surethey didn't substitute tofu for
chicken, like, and I was at corelife.
So I, you know, I don't, Iprobably wouldn't do Cain, sorry

(11:53):
, but um, but like and it's not.
It's not that I'm trying tolike put myself in in situations
where I'm tricked, but like Ijust feel like I I know I could
never kill a deer and know that,and so I don't feel like I have

(12:14):
the right to eat it and I knowthat there's like.
I know I'm not trying to arguewith anybody out there in the
international podcast audience,it's just like my experience and
my feelings and it just doesn'tsettle.
Well, I wish I felt thatstrongly about chocolate.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And maybe wine here and there, but you know yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So it's funny that you mentioned Cain's, cause when
I I was vegetarian and I was onand off of vegan, but
definitely vegetarian for aboutfour years and Cain's was the
one thing that always poppedinto my mind when I all of a
sudden had this like urge that Iwanted something meat, cain's
was always it cause I used tolove it when I lived in Columbus
.
It was like the one thing.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Well, they like.
Their whole story is built oncollege campuses.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, definitely, they got ushooked.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I don't think I've ever had it.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's the Cain's sauce , that's really.
It's not even so much thechicken or anything, it's the
sauce.
I love the sauce and the Texastoast.
Oh so good.
I haven't eaten yet today, sodon't mind me, I'm like
salivating over here.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So will you go through and just get the toast?

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh no, I mean, I know no.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's too tempting for me.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
So, joe, and I feel that 16 is a very young and
vulnerable and difficult age toeven be open enough to receive
those kind of awakenings, and soI'm very impressed that I'm

(14:00):
very impressed and curious inlike, how do you get that way in
your teenage years, like your,you know, your mind is all over
the place, your body's all overthe place, like it's.
It's yeah, it's a really funtime where we get to the kind of
be crazy and have noresponsibilities, but like, it's
a tough, it's not easy.
I wouldn't want to go back to16.
Like, been there, done there,done that.

(14:23):
What is it?
Been there, done that, got thet-shirt, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, I don't know.
I would say like mine, like Ilook at like how mindful I was
at certain times in my life andI think like I grasp certain
concepts pretty quick.
I don't want to say it's basedon just previous karma, but

(14:57):
that's what I would call it.
It's just my system and whereI'm at in the fields of play
those just kind of allowed me toseek this path over lifetimes.
I feel like that's whatstrongly draws me to it.

(15:18):
But back then I definitelycouldn't see that.
It was just like things arejust happening.
I couldn't figure out why, butthe depth of the situations was
really brought there because ofthe depression and how severe
that was.
I feel like that's what reallydrew the depth there with all

(15:44):
that stuff and why those changesand shifts were so significant.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Were you being treated for your depression.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
No, no, I never have.
I did see a therapist in highschool.
I saw her twice and I didn'treally get a good vibe.
I've worked with plantmedicines also, and those have
just been therapy for me.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Back then or now.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, I started smoking marijuana when I was 14,
I want to say by the time I was16, I was using it as a
rastafarian practice to seekspirit.
Then I've pretty much been aneveryday user in that sense.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
So medicinal marijuana or are you using it
specifically for specificpurposes?
Right, but there's so manytypes.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Right, yes, I would say.
The only difference between meand the average smoker is my
intention.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Got it Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I still roll them up and smoke them down, just like
anybody else.
But yeah, it's definitely theintention for me.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think it's impressive, Joyce was saying, at
such a young age to have theserevelations and stuff.
And I by no means am trying todig into your past and what
brought you to depression andstuff like that.
I think sometimes when you haveany experiences or there's
something in your life,depression it's trauma, it's
considered trauma and it almostsounds like you were just

(17:39):
speaking to not expecting tolive long, but it's like your
soul was like no, that's not thecase.
Your soul was reaching forsomething.
Yeah, oh, definitely.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And it has been for a while and it was like until I
just released it and was likeall right, let's run.
That's when it really took off,that's for sure I just get into
.
That reminds me of getting into, like the Native American
medicines to the sacred mushroomwas really a revelation changer
for me to like.

(18:12):
It allowed me to be spiritualand I was like, yeah, you're
okay to do this, for sure, thishas been passed down for
generations.
Just because we weren't raisedthat way doesn't mean I can't
bring that into our world here.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh, absolutely Sunny.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Sharp.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, you're talking about medicinal, like using
plants and stuff, and I thinkit's incredible how common it's
becoming now too.
You read about microdosing tohelp with depression, with
anxiety, ADHD, stuff like thatand it's proven to do wonders.
People say that doing a littlebit of microdosing or treatments

(18:53):
is the equivalent to howevermany months or years or whatever
in talk therapy and not to goagainst talk therapy but it's
incredible that all of thesethings are starting to resurface
.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So that's, really cool.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Did anybody have an influence on you?

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
So there was this great storyand it actually came up in a
journey that I had with themushroom.
That kind of was like it's likewhy am I like this?
And then I had this, you know,like this is why.
And so when I was in fourthgrade, maybe third grade, I ran

(19:38):
cross country for like CYO.
So it was like with our StJoseph and John here in Toronto
and our coach was he was aJesuit and he was super
religious.
His name was Mr Stalder and heat one point we're just warming

(19:59):
up and I remember it clear asday he came up to me and he was
like Joe, I want you to knowyou're a natural born leader.
And he said I'm not one ofthose crazy people that he
pointed out to like just the skyand you know the trees and
stuff.
I'm not one of those crazypeople that thinks that you know

(20:19):
all of this is God and thetrees are God, you're God and
I'm God.
But I just want you to knowyou're a natural born leader.
And from then on, likesomething clicked in me that
like I can, like I can raise thevibrations of other people, is
how I would say it now you know,or like I had that kind of like

(20:40):
healer spirit in me where Ilike to do that stuff, you know,
and be in service.
So that was a quick for me forsure.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Was that something that you like thought about or
remembered between the time ithappened?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
I always went back to that whenI started having like my
revelations about God.
It was like, oh man, that guy,like he was joking when he said
I'm not crazy.
He knew he was crazy and heknew he was right.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Crazy is always good.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's.
I love just listening to youtalk about like how you've
pulled from different religions.
I to me, I mean it all circlesback to yoga and what we
practice and I just I look atyou and I listened to you and
I'm like Joe's the epitome ofyoga, like you're taking what,
what you want from it and whatbenefits you, and you're letting
the rest go and you know you'renot fighting what other people

(21:39):
believe, but you're like thispart of this religion, yeah,
that benefits me.
I'm going to take that littlebit, this little bit, and that's
.
You know, that's kind of whatwe teach in yoga.
It's like take on what's goodfor you and do away with the
rest, and so cool.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, it's really cool.
I had, I think, when I.
My journey is different, butwhen I started yoga I was still
figure skating and I definitelythought it was a really good

(22:13):
probably trendy workout with,but rooted in something that
like rooted in something deeper.
And there was a little studiothat opened up by my house and
so I tried it and, you know, itwasn't until until months later

(22:33):
and I wouldn't say that I waslike deep into my yoga practice
and I truly didn't measure it bylike what I could do on the mat
right, Because I think I camein over prepared.
I was, I, figure skated forlike 30 years at that point, so
I was pretty good at balancingand stretching and like putting
my body in weird positions.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
But in such a dirty, dirty joke.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Ray, thank you for the slight digression,
absolutely.
You have to sing now I don'tknow what's up.
No, it's where you draw your.
That's the boundary.
But there were just these likemoments that I had on the mat
and I was also going through.
Like, probably about six monthsafter I started practicing the

(23:23):
physical practice, I had likethe worst part of my most
stressful, the worst part of mylife had started and I don't
think, like, looking back, Ithink that yoga found me when it
was supposed to, or I foundyoga.
However you want to look at itdoesn't matter.
I started doing yoga and at somepoints I thought like the

(23:45):
timing of like figure skatingand yoga and how those things
were and are such big parts ofmy life.
At some points I thought likeyoga, so I hurt my back at yoga,
which ended my skating, whichis something that I still think
about and it was just like whatis going on here.

(24:06):
It's just like this big clashof like all the stuff and then
like shit in my life really hitthe fan.
So I was in therapy for a longtime and reading a lot of
self-help books and doing allthe things and like using yoga
as part of that and I wouldn'tcall it self-healing.

(24:27):
I wouldn't have called itself-healing.
I would have called it like,almost like punishment, like I
was trying to fix myself becauseI was convinced that I was just
really broken.
But I started having thesemoments on the mat where I
really started thinking aboutthe word namaste.

(24:49):
Right, and we talk about thisin teacher training, but it
means the light in me sees andhonors the light in you, and I'm
freely saying that at the endof class because that's what you
do.
And then if I don't see it inmyself, which I didn't really
feel it, then how am I saying itand is this a lie?

(25:10):
And then, of course, I'm comingdown on myself and like maybe I
shouldn't say namaste and am Ieven worthy of doing yoga?
And like I was finding all thereasons to like be mean to
myself.
And then I was listening to themessages that teachers would
say in yoga class.
That would really sort of makeyou think.

(25:33):
And I just started having theselittle aha moments and one of
them was that I felt like inyoga I was being told and taught
that God or the higher power isin all of us, where I felt like

(25:53):
in Catholic school I was beingtaught that you're born with
mortal sin and you need toaspire to be something that you
will never be, because you havemortal sin and you're going to
have to make up for that for therest of your life.
And what a big shift it madewhen I was looking for God in

(26:15):
you and then I could.
It helped me see God in me.
That's probably not the right Idon't throw God on a lot, but
like the higher power for sureand then, like everything
changed, like both very quicklyand very slowly.

(26:36):
It was almost like this wholeblanket, like okay, I see God
everywhere.
And then it was like wait aminute.
I got to take a look at thatand hold on.
I've been telling myself I'mwrong for so long and I've been
believing that I'm wrong, sothat's got to be effed up and
like where am I?
But it never led me to a badanswer and so I don't know that

(27:01):
I can relate to some of thethings that you say.
Some of them I can't.
I didn't have any big ahamoments in church.
I tried going back to churchfor a hot minute while I was
doing therapy and yoga and itdidn't.
The tradition of the Catholicchurch didn't mesh with what I

(27:21):
was going through at the time.
But I did find a lot of peacewhen I would go to.
There are a few Catholicchurches within the vicinity of
my workplace, so sometimes Iwould just go and sit when no
one else was there and I don'tknow that I was praying, I was
probably more meditating Gosh.
One time the organist waspracticing and it was amazing.

(27:43):
It was like one of those reallybig, heavy, loud organs.
Yeah, that was pretty cool andyeah, so I don't.
I don't consider myselfCatholic or really even
Christian, but I do considermyself spiritual and I don't
think that I can really defineit as well as you do, because

(28:03):
you're, you have intention ofreally studying and deliver or
diving into lots of differentthings, so finding similarities
in what you're diving into.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, definitely.
My favorite one is like themore I've learned about Buddhism
, the more I've like I've beenlike, oh my gosh, it's like to
me I think it's more of how Ilisten today that I, you know,
wasn't listening the same waybefore but it's like Buddhism is

(28:36):
like condensed like a bunch ofreligions into smaller words and
it just kind of simplifies it.
It's like the main thing islike we're here to end suffering
and like, if you just run withthat for a couple of days, like
you see, holy shit, they'resuffering everywhere, you know.

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And all you can do is stayinside here and be like I'm
ready for you to come out ofyour shell and I'll be out of my
shell and we'll meet there.
You know, and that, just likethat is those three sentences
like condense all I know aboutChristianity.
It's like Christianity was justtelling me how to do it, but it

(29:19):
never told me like what we'redoing, you know, or just why,
straight up.
So yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Because I said so.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
And so it's so interesting yes, it's.
It's so interesting that, likeboth of you, you know same thing
.
I didn't go to Catholic schoolbut I grew up as a teen Catholic
and so you know Slovak masses.
You know we did a lot of hymnsand chants and stuff like that

(29:53):
and like, as I got into my teensand stuff, I started finding
myself questioning the religionand starting to ask questions
and starting to distance myselffrom it.
But, like Joyce you were justsaying, you found yourself in
church, like we used to still gofor holidays at least, and
there's always somethingpeaceful about it that I liked
going back maybe once or twice ayear and it's, you know, it's

(30:16):
like you know that there issomething bigger than yourself
out there and you're just tryingto figure out what it is and
what it all means.
And you know I was young andbeing told that this is what it
is, and I'm no longer.
It's not something not Catholic, not Byzantine, I don't
practice and I have my reasonsfor it, but it's like I found my
other spiritual plane, foundthat bigger purpose, and you

(30:38):
know, and it's like you knewthat there was something there.
It's just you weren't in theright spot quite yet, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
And everybody's like what you said before, joe, like
you, sometimes it's how youlisten.
This is not like a judgmentalthing, you know.
It's like really hot.
You talk about this with cues,right.
Sometimes it takes.
It takes you hearing or anystudent hearing a cue like 86

(31:05):
times and then it was like, oh,and was it the teacher?
Did the teacher have a greatcue?
Probably not.
It's probably that you werejust listening and it's okay
that you weren't listening theother 85 times.
You had that moment where youyou found out you know, jamie, I
love that.
Are you wearing a fur coatthere?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
This is my bear blanket.
I call it.
This is actually my stepdad.
This was his mother's, so mygrandma Nina's.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, it is a very, very old blanket.
This has no stuffing in itanymore.
Bradley's mom actually sewed itup for me because it's been
ripped several times.
It is the most comfortablething.
I've been using it since I was,you know, in my teens living in
the Poconos, or even youngerthan that, and I stole it from
my parents and took it tocollege and I won't give it back
ever.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I'm like expecting her to throw on some sunglasses
and yeah, it's not actually bear, for the record.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I just called the bear blanket because it was
fancy.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
So, joe, you said something yesterday in Brexville
and I I guess it took me offguard a little bit and then you
left.
But because we're so, josh, whowas on one of the last podcasts
, is a college professor and hethey went back to school this

(32:28):
week and he was.
He had mentioned how most kidshave air buds in their ears so
that they don't have to interactwith anyone.
And Joe, you said somethinglike after being in a cave for
two years, coming out can bereally, really shocking.
What were you talking about?

(32:48):
If you don't mind sharing, wecan always edit if you do.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, no, that's totally okay.
I'm trying to think where Iconnected the ear buds in that,
but I don't know.
But I know like what that'ssaying.
I would say like for me it waswhen I like had I would call it
like my hermit phase, where Iwas just kind of like staying

(33:13):
away from society and liketotally disconnected from like
all social media.
Excuse me, I didn't really hangout with many of my friends
that I used to have, so I'dreally just like cut myself off
from everything except fornature.
And so that's where I took likeI guess with the headphones.

(33:38):
I could see like I used to walkaround at Tri-C with headphones
in, like just so that peoplewouldn't talk to me because I
like I was spiritual and theywould bring me to non spiritual
you know, where I was all highand happy, and if that talked to
them I would lose it.
So that was my way of put theheadphones in and so like

(34:01):
staying in my cave.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
So do you think that you're being judgmental?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Oh yeah, but you're also okay.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
You're also protecting yourself.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah for sure I wasn't ready to live with a
heart so open.
Yeah, like it was hurting metoo much.
I didn't have like the wholecapacity to like hold that, that
space and still listen topeople's drama and you know all
that kind of stuff where I'm alittle bit more like honed in
now and I was so like a bigturning point in that for me was

(34:42):
not trying to get people to beany certain way and just
accepting everyone where theyare, which is definitely tough
to do, stuff to do with myself,yeah, but that definitely helps
me like keep my heart open butnot get closed down by whatever
happens.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I think that's really easy to do with people you
don't know, but really hard todo with people that are close to
you and that, especially onesthat you wish would sort of take
their own journey and find some.
It can be exhausting.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's what I was going to say.
It drains your energy.
You know, like you're saying,if you're not in a place where
you can let things just slideoff and let them be and just see
them for as they are, if youreceive them and, like you're
saying, judge them, and you willkind of own that burden from
there on and it can beexhausting.
So I could understand theplugging yourself away from the

(35:47):
world.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, for sure.
So when I met you, you were avolleyball coach or a referee or
both.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Both yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
So you're quite the athlete.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, so I played basketball and volleyball my
whole life and my highestaccomplishment with volleyball
was I played two on two beachvolleyball and I went to
California and played for TeamUSA on their 16 year team.
Wow, I played in like a Worldstournament and spent like two

(36:25):
weeks in California playingbeach volleyball.
What so?
Yeah, I get to say I played forTeam USA, so that was kind of
cool.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
But yeah, too personal it's difficult,
especially beach volleyball.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
that's like impressive.
I played volleyball in highschool, but court volleyball is
nothing like beach volleyball.
Yeah, it's so much harder?
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Where do?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
you practice beach volleyball in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's a great question, bar is the answer.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Oh, great place for you to be at 16 and under
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
So is that?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
that's an organized sport, obviously.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Uh, somewhat.
So it's like boys volleyballstill isn't super big.
It's definitely grown, but likeit has its ups and downs, you
know.
But beach volleyball it's.
I think it's a growing sport.
For sure, it's definitelybecoming more popular.
But here there's like a smallvolleyball community and like

(37:33):
those people play and like,especially when you get to a
certain level of play, likethere's only a handful of people
who you know play at thoselevels.
So yeah, we all stick together.
We have a good group.
It's like a secret society.
Like can I get a?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
side view.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, it's a little like, it's a little cultish for
sure, because we all have likeour you know inside like
volleyball jokes and you knowthey send videos in the group
chat and like it's hilarious tome, but like someone who you
know didn't play volleyballtheir whole life would never get
it.
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
It's the same with skating.
You know, like when I seesomeone from skating, like we
can have conversations that Ican't would make no sense with
you.
You know, and it's, it's cool.
Do you still play?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Uh, yes, here and there, um, but I've had like
some trouble with my shoulder,um, which I think has just been
a blessing, uh, to keep me awayfrom volleyball, because I got
very competitive and I get likevery I don't want to say anger
rises.
It's not really anger, but it'slike a competitive spirit where

(38:46):
I lose, like that hurtfulness.
So after I like really startedaround like 20, I like kind of
dropped everything and just wentfull spiritual mode, like this
is all I'm going to do with mylife, um, and after that I was
like I can't really playvolleyball anymore, like I
needed some time to like figureout how to play, you know, while

(39:10):
holding all of these differentlevels, you know myself.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I understand that I feel that way.
Sometimes we play softball whenwe get really competitive but I
need to teach the softball team.
We were all real competitive onFriday nights, but I also kind
of like it's a game you know,like there, and it's okay to be
competitive there.
Does it mean that it entitlesyou to be an asshole?

(39:36):
No, and so can that be hard,yeah, but is it possible to you
know, is it possible to justplay co-ed softball on Friday
and not be competitive?
I don't know.
Like Jamie, you're on the team,like when we play.

(39:56):
Well, it's really fun yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
When, when it's crazy how quickly everybody's to meet
a real change when you knowwe're getting our butts kicked
though.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Right, it's no fun.
Nobody wants to.
Nobody wants to go out for adrink after we get our asses
kicked.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Right, that's true.
Yeah, If we lose all of asudden, everybody's like all
right, see you next Friday.
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, we win.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
We make a rule that we have to go out no matter what
.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Team dinner.
But it's exactly what you'retalking about, joe, like it's
like it has made me question.
So like I played shortstop whenI was growing up and my dad was
kind of a douchebag to me, Iguess Like I would come off he
and he was always my coach, so Iwould come off the field and

(40:47):
literally throw my glove at him,like people on the team just
thought we were probably like aentertainment part of the
entertainment.
But I was so mad all the timethat like you could not get
anything by me and like he wouldwant me to stand in like a
ready position and I'd juststand there with my hands on my
hips or something and like, butyou seriously could like, and he

(41:09):
would take me to the baseballfield and like hit ground balls
to me like you know, like a 40year old grown man and I was
really good because of that.
And so I struggle, like that'sthe mindset that I come to the
field with and I struggle withthat because like it's still
there but that's not really whoI am anymore.

(41:32):
But I know I have these skillsand so it's like I wish I would
have.
I wish that this was managedbetter, as I was.
You know what I mean.
Like just would have been alittle different.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
But it's okay when you have a whole group
surrounding you too, though youknow it's if we're losing a
softball game.
But everybody, you know, stayshappy.
Everybody stays happy and we'regood.
But it's just, you know, we allkind of follow it.
It makes it a lot.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Everybody's not always happy and like I'm always
in charge, no matter if I'm incharge or not, I've got the
money, I've got all the things,the equipment, the, you know,
like it's my team, it's.
You're wearing my shirts andyou know what I mean, like, so
it's just, it's a very, it's a.
It's a, I think.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
It's an obligation to a little bit.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Playing softball is part of my journey, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, that's all right yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, what changed it for me like what allows me to
play really well is I was into alot of Ramdas talks and I have
my problem up here.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I saw, yeah, we, we saw.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah.
So he says like he talks a lotabout like honoring the forms
that we have, so like honoringthe competitive side of yourself
and like just honoring like allof that and using it to like
really hone in on that spiritualside of yourself.

(43:06):
So for me, like when I'mplaying and I get that like
competitive spirit, I always tryto like bring a little bit of
gratefulness with it and thatallows me to like get happy for
other people while they'rescoring points, and it takes me
away from like winning andlosing.
But at the same time, I stillwant to do as well as I possibly

(43:28):
can, you know, and I can stillallow myself to get even like a
little bit angry when I mess up,because I have a goal and I
want to reach that, you know,and it's okay to like, you know,
have those intentions and allthat kind of stuff, but it, yeah
, it just stops when I getcaught in that and then all of a

(43:50):
sudden you know I've closeddown you know to other people so
.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I had those moments while I was still competitively
figure skating which you know,I'm not sure which I was until
until I wasn't, but until Iwasn't skating.
But like when I when I don'tthink that I at the time I
didn't really correlate this toany kind of spiritual growth,
but it certainly was I got to apoint where I wasn't so worried

(44:20):
about winning.
But I hate silver medals.
Silver medals are the worst.
I would rather get bronzebefore silver Anyhow.
And I was more focused on doingmy best, because skating in a
competitive situation is so muchdifferent than practicing and

(44:43):
it's a thing that you can'treally practice doing.
You can't recreate acompetitive environment unless
you're actually competing.
So can you go out there andskate your best?
Sure, but not the way that youdo it in practice.
It's just so different.
But when I started focusingmore on really doing my best and

(45:07):
improving from competition tocompetition, I actually just
started winning more, whichwasn't really the goal.
But it's almost like in yogathe workout part is kind of the
bonus.
It's the work, that's thejourney, and so that really

(45:31):
changed for me.
And then I went to this oneclinic that taught me some stuff
too, a psychology clinic forathletes and that was mind
blowing.
But also he would say, or hesaid, you have to practice.
Everybody says, go out thereand skate like you do in
practice.
But he said, why don't youpractice like you're competing?

(45:52):
So I would literally tellmyself that everybody in the
rink was judging me to the worstdegree and I would make myself
really uncomfortable.
This is really weird.
But skaters, when they practice,wear these little gloves, like
those 99 cent gloves you can geteverywhere.
When you take your gloves off,it feels completely different.

(46:13):
It's almost like you take offyour blanket, your bare coat,
and so I take off my gloves.
I would just make myself really, really uncomfortable.
And then I got comfortablebeing uncomfortable and that
helped.
That changed everything too.
And to say that that doesn'tchange things for you in life I

(46:35):
think I was on.
I'm not surprised looking back.
I'm not surprised about where Iwas and where I went.
It's just kind of fun to putall the pieces together and to
see all the analogies.
So then you became a volleyballreferee.
That sounds like torture.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, I started rafting when I was about 15.
I was like one of the firstcouple of jobs I had and I loved
it because I really didn't haveto like train or anything Like.
I already knew all the rulesfrom playing volleyball and I
could talk my way out of prettymuch anything you know.

(47:19):
So, yeah, it was a great jobfor me.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
And you could probably maintain a sense of
peace within yourself becauseyou weren't playing.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Like one of the first games Iever raffed, I had a girl that
was in my Spanish class Like Iwas roughing her.
So I was like you know this,this can't be that bad, but it
is.
It is crazy Like bringing asense of peace into the gym.
It totally changes the dynamicof, like you know, the players

(47:49):
and stuff, because there's somany referees who just get
absolutely slashed every singlegame and we burn out.
You know Like I'm I'm burnedout.
Now I have no interest in goingback.
I definitely see like there'swork there, but I just I don't
think I could handle it.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Well, the torture part I was thinking would be the
parents, Because you were likeI, I I taught for like a one six
week session like learned toskate for kids, and the kids
were fine.
Parents were horrible.
Like one parent was like well,my kid's going to go to the
Olympics, I'm like they're in,learned to skate.
It's like swizzlers number one.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Oh, my gosh.
So, that's where it comes from.
That's where it stems from.
You know you're talking aboutyour dad and stuff.
It's like we grow up learningto be competitive you know we
were in the school sports andstuff, and you're you know we
used to have to do suicidesprints when we lost our
basketball games and you knowyou were like punished basically
.
So this has all been ingrainedin us our whole lives.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I've had some.
I've had some bad parents overthe years, for sure, but nothing
, nothing that ever made me likelose my cool too bad or
anything like that, like it wasalways, you know, here and there
, but in the moment definitelyheated for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I can't imagine I would not handle that well.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, well, and especially like there's a lot of
times where I was coming off ofthese like great spiritual
journeys and like there was athere's a period of time where I
went a little bit too far withit and I had to, you know, reel
myself back in.
But I had about two weeks whereI was literally walking around

(49:43):
to everyone and just telling himI loved him.
I was like I just love you somuch.
You know I'd be checking out atMark's, you know, buying
groceries, like the cashier,like I just love you, you know,
like you are beautiful on theinside, you know, and it was
like.
I look back now and I'm likedude, just like slow down, you
know, like the heart's in theright place, but it's just you

(50:07):
know.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Were you arrested on the way out?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I was going to say not everybody's ready for that.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
No, thankfully not, but I could keep my mouth shut
for a good amount of time.
But I was roughing after thatand I remember standing up on
the stand and I'm like, what amI doing?
Like none of these people likeme not, like not one of them's
given me any kind of likerelation that I'm giving them,

(50:34):
you know.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Like Nobody's thanking you.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah.
So I'm like what am I doinghere?
And that like honed me down tosay like, okay, maybe you
shouldn't be just like throwingup and loving everybody that.
You see, you know, it's notreally the way.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Well, and I just have this vision of an angry parent
coming up to yell at Joe and himturning around and hugging him.
It's going to be okay.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Let's talk.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
What's going on?
Yeah, yeah, are you?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
okay, do you have some unresolved issues?
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I don't think this is the right place for you to
express your anger, but kind oflike in a very different way.
But like teaching a yoga class,the class is not about the
teacher, it's about the students, right?
So if you're roughing avolleyball game, it's really not
about you, it's about you'relike you're not going there to
make friends, right, but it's.
You know, you probably areroughing because you love

(51:38):
volleyball and like this is likeyour place and your people and
whatever.
And then all of a sudden you'relike in this position where it
sucks and you're like wait, thisis my thing.
You know that I get it becausethat's how I felt when I was
taught learn to skate, althoughit wasn't so extreme because it
wasn't my peers necessarily, butit was like no, no, I really

(52:00):
skating is like my passion.
Please do not like I can't.
I can't do this Like I can't.
This isn't bringing peace atall.
This is like really just theopposite.
And so I never I never reallyhad I kind of tried teaching
because I thought like well,sure, I should teach.
I've been skating all my lifeand it was just teaching.

(52:22):
Skating wasn't for me.
I still wouldn't teach or coachbecause I still, like want to
do it and I don't know.
Yeah, it can.
It's the same kind of thing youmentioned.
Tricey, did you go to college?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, I went for two years after high school and then
I just stopped and startedworking.
I really had no idea what I wasgoing to do at that point.
So my plan was my plan wasliterally like I'm going to drop
out of school, I'm going totake a ton of psychedelics until

(53:01):
I figure out what the plan is,and then I'll go for that.
And that's what I did and itkind of worked.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Is that what you told your parents?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
For the most part, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
How did that go?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It was for them.
I brought them in to mydepression and stuff.
So we always had thatrelationship where we were
always like I was open totalking to them about my healing
process and what these planswere doing for me.
So it's tedious, but I'mthankful that it's tedious

(53:41):
because it really makes me beaware of my situation and my
surroundings and what I'mactually practicing and what I'm
doing and that kind of stuff.
But yeah, they are definitelylike for it.
I think they're definitelyhappy that I've chosen this path
because it's worked for me.

(54:02):
But I've learned it doesn'twork for them.
I can't push this stuff on themat all, really, because they're
just not interested.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
What did you say to me once when you were talking
about your mom?
You said something about youbeing the Buddha versus.
I don't remember how you saidit.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, so she loves when I am the Buddha, but she
hates when I talk about Buddhism.
Or hates when I talk about theBuddha, but when I am the Buddha
she loves me.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Her parents are still very much religious, right, I
think we talked about this too.
So it's cool that still beingin the same household and
everything that, and I'm surethe journey there wasn't always
easy.
But I think, like I said, wetalked about that, they respect
where you're going and yourespect where they're going, and
it just is what it is.
It's a beautiful thing.

(55:02):
Not a lot of families andrelationships work out that way
when there is such a differencein opinion.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, definitely.
I think where we find it isthat love for family.
We're definitely a close family, so when I bring back from
these experiences, I bring backlike, yeah, I really just feel
like I need to love you guysmore.

(55:31):
How can they argue with that?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I'm going to say I'm not going to hate that.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
But like for me to get to that point where I was
saying those things, it took mea while.
I definitely had my ups anddowns of saying like no, they're
wrong because they'repracticing Christianity still
and that's not right andHinduism is right, and all that
where, once I got deeper into itand kind of settled in, I was
like wow, we really are likereaching for the same goals

(55:58):
where they just want me to behappy and healthy, so I can't
really argue with that.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That's awesome, the transparency part of it too.
You're saying that you broughtthem into your depression and
all that.
I'm sure that that helped,because I think sometimes, when
somebody is going throughsomething, that you were and if
you're generally, people areusually very closed off and they
don't want to talk about it, soit's hard for anybody in your
life to understand it and itimpacts and that's where that
turmoil comes in in relationship.

(56:26):
So it's cool that you were soopen with them and I imagine
that helped the process a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Definitely.
Yeah, I know I broke my mom'sheart when I told them that
stuff, yeah, but it wassomething that I think I needed
to do.
I needed to put it out there,and part of the reason was not
because I was going to self harmor anything like that, but my
energy in the house was just sodepressive and so angry, and I

(56:56):
don't think they knew why theycouldn't.
They had nothing, so givingthem that piece of me was like
holy shit, okay, well, here'swhat we can do for you.
Yeah.
So it was definitely tough,though, because I knew that it
would break them for sure,because there's been great

(57:17):
parents.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
So that's funny that we're talking about this,
because in teacher training justtwo days ago, the four of us,
including me, that were theregot into a pretty deep
conversation about lifeexperiences and things that
we've worked through, and allfour of us have parents that

(57:45):
don't talk about things that youknow like, and we talked about
that, like is it a generationalthing and we aren't all the same
age, like, yeah, we're kind ofscattered, so I don't.
I do think it's a generationalthing with my parents, the baby
boomers, but I know that some ofthe people in the room didn't

(58:06):
have their parents, aren't asold as mine.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
And aren't you Polish too?
Not to bring in ethnicity, butaren't you?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
You've got Polish.
I don't know if I have anyPolish in me.
I don't know if I'm Hungarian.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Oh well, I was.
That's close.
I was choice, though you areright.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
That's I was going to say.
My dad's side of the family wasPolish and it was like one of
our biggest traits on the familyis we don't talk about feelings
.
We don't.
You know there's no, they're onthe pantheos side of the family
, like mental health and, youknow, depression, adhd.
Those things didn't exist.
We did not talk about anything.
So it took, it took some timefor me to build into that

(58:55):
because, yeah, that was, thatwas a family.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
So yeah, cause like inside you're like I don't need
to talk about this, Like that'llmake it worse.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
I didn't know how to.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
But like the fact that your parents like one, the
fact that you could be very openand they're very receptive to,
to hearing you and helping youthe best that they could, is
pretty a pretty awesome familydynamic.
I don't think that I I thinkthat things are changing in

(59:26):
general, but I'd still thinkthat the majority is the
families don't talk about thingsand um, and that's that's
really special.
Like you know, that's a uh, areally cool thing that you have
going on in your house.
I feel like I'm just gonna callyou Posh Jamie from now on, by

(59:47):
the way.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
What's my fur?
I'm gonna start wearing my furblanket into the studio and
there's like patches of itmissing.
But yeah, you're gonna haveyou're in your family, like that
.
You will have that goodrelationship forever.
Because of that, you know Likeyou've been through probably
some of your hardest times ofyour life and you were

(01:00:10):
completely open and honest aboutit.
It's kind of like I feel likeyou, there's nothing you can't
tell them, and that's thebeautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, we've definitely had conversations of
like like when they get old,like I'm gonna take care of them
the same way that like they'redoing for their parents and I
still have both sets ofgrandparents here, which is such
a blessing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Are they local?

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, they're both local and we're super close with
both sides.
Everybody gets along.
So I always like I look at likemoney and stuff and like we I
still live at home and I liverent free here, which is just
beautiful, but like everyonesmile will go out, my dad will

(01:01:00):
be like hey, do you need 20bucks?
And I'm like dude, like mymoney is your money.
So you know like we have thatrelationship where we're not
like we're kind of financiallystable, which really helps, you
know like the family kind of betogether.
But yeah, having that like kindof relationship where I can say

(01:01:22):
like yeah, like don't worryabout when you get old, like
I'll be here, you know, and youknow like so on, and like saying
our money is your money andlike all that kind of stuff, it
really does like bring a tribementality you know to like and
it takes a lot of pressure offof those tougher processes.

(01:01:42):
You know that we kind of likemy family, I kind of brought it
on.
I don't want to say I broughtit on us, but you know we had to
face those things like reallyearly.
I feel like where you know mostpeople don't bring up certain
topics like death and that kindof stuff when, like now, all my

(01:02:02):
cousins are mature and likewe're going to be really
conscious as our grandparentsdie, you know which is going to
be different versus where, if Iwas three years old, you know.
So, yeah, it's a different kindof relationship that we hold
now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It's cool.
Can Joyce and I haveinvitations to your next family
reunion?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, I would take care of me when I'm old.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, I'm hippie enough to say that everybody
under the sun is my family, sowe're all you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You love everyone, For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I think and it could be wrong, but I'm going to
actually look it up but I thinkthat, speaking of finances, I
think you wrote me a or youwrote the studio a check for
your teacher training program awhile ago and I'm pretty sure it
was 0-0-0-1.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
At the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it was.
It might have been for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I was laughing to myself.
I'm like this guy has neverwritten a check before and I
felt kind of proud.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I was like, oh, You're like I'm going to frame
this Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I remember having to Google what line meant
what and what to write.
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I love that.
Well, I mean, checks aren'treally.
I mean they're not obsolete,obviously, but they're not the
first form of payment these days.
I remember I mean this wasprobably like six or seven years
ago at this point One of mygirlfriends she just needed to
pay one of us for dinner orsomething like that and she
ripped out a checkbook and allof us were like who are you?

(01:03:45):
Like?
There's Venmo, there's cash,there's everything else.
But she had a checkbook on herand you don't see, that very
often I can't go back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Well, I wonder how far back that was it was.
You signed up before COVID,right?
Or was it right after?
So it was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
I think it was right after.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I was gonna say because you were in when I was
in teacher training, I feel likeyou may that may have been
around the time that you steppedaway, because I remember
actually yeah, because it wasafter I graduated that you came
to one of my classes one morningand I remember talking to you
afterwards and you told me thatyou were in teacher training and
you kind of explained that lifehad happened and you kind of

(01:04:33):
bowed out for a little bit.
So I did it during COVID, soyou must have signed up before,
but you kind of took a break,right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
No, he signed up August 9th 2021.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Oh well then I don't know what I'm talking about.
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
COVID did that to all of us.
It screwed up our perspectiveon time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I could not tell you what happened that year
when we had to stay at home.
It's like all blurred to me now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Yeah, that was nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Probably for the best , leave that behind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Yeah, it's funny.
I had a great time during thosetimes Like I absolutely loved
it.
I was allowed to just sit inone place and no one thought it
was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, especially if you were coming into the
spiritual awakening and you'redeepening your practice and
stuff, that would be theultimate time for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, it was great, like my whole family was playing
board games every day.
It was very minimalist kind oflife.
Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it.
Plus, I could feel like myfavorite part was the ripples
across I don't know what to callit, but each other, across the

(01:05:53):
masses or the collectiveconscious.
Everyone was forced to ground.
You were forced to get in yourhouse, you were forced to think
about your health.
I mean, some people go abouttheir day and never think about
their health.
Like COVID was the first thingyou saw anywhere you went.

(01:06:13):
So it really made usinternalize a lot of thoughts
and I love that.
You know from where I'm sitting.
I thought that that was greatfor us as a society In the sense
that we were internalizingthoughts, everything else about
it.
Obviously you know COVID is aterrible thing, there's no doubt

(01:06:36):
.
But yeah, it definitely, Ithink, was a shift in our
society.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I think a lot of people have that.
I mean, there were definitelypeople that did not have or
would have appreciated yourinsight or perspective to it
more.
But I think it was interestingwhat came out of COVID.
You know, it was kind of likethis make or break year.
Some people really thrived andfound themselves, found new
careers, found differentinterests and stuff, and others
went the other direction, wherethey didn't have that

(01:07:06):
perspective, didn't take theopportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I realized in quarantine that home was
somewhere that I didn't spend alot of time and that I just kind
of checked into and I startedenjoying being home.
However, owning a smallbusiness.
That was probably one timewhere I missed corporate America
.
I was like well, if I was stillworking, I probably would be.

(01:07:32):
This experience would be alittle not that I'm not working,
but if I was still makingcorporate America money, this
experience would be different,because I was jealous of people
who had time to do home projectsthat they didn't have time for
before.
We were doing virtual teachertraining from sun up to sun down

(01:07:52):
and with a little bit of panicbecause we had no idea what was
gonna happen.
That was such a scary time,especially those first few
months where just nobody knewanything.
I know I've mentioned thisbefore, but a couple of months

(01:08:13):
ago I had a lady call me and I'mnot even kidding you guys.
She said that she was startingto come out of the house.
Now she was, and it's two years, three years later.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Three years later, wow, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
She was asking me what kind of protocols we were
taking if we were keepingeverybody socially distant.
And I had complete PTSD.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I was like no, oh, the exes are not coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
And then last Friday James was cleaning the.
Were you there when he wascleaning the walls with the
squeegee?
And I was like we used to dothat after every single class
and I was like no, but anyhow,like I'm with you, joe, like I,
just there were times at homewhere I was just like this is
the place that I live and I needto pay more attention to it and

(01:09:08):
I need to, I need to treat itbetter.
Not that I was being mean to it, I just wasn't giving it a lot
of attention.
And I'm not again because, likeThursday, for example, is the
only day that we don't teach andI have been working since I
woke up.
Well, that's not true.
I've been working since Alinawent to daycare in Ashley.
I try not to forget aboutAshley.

(01:09:32):
I joke because, like Ashley islike you guys don't even like
take pictures of me anymore,it's just all the baby, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Well, have you seen her?
I know yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
He's stinkin' horrible.
But yeah, I don't, and I stillsee how it has changed things.
Some industries haven'trecovered, like the restaurant
industry.
So you guys know, James and Igo out on Wednesday nights and
we don't have a lot of optionsand I'm not complaining.

(01:10:04):
But like it's real easy tonotice if you cannot find
something open.
It's very little open afternine o'clock on a weekday and
very, very little open after 10o'clock on a weekday.
Not that we're, like you know,partying until two o'clock in
the morning.
But I will say that like we'reokay with, like we'll go to a

(01:10:27):
local bar, we'll go to thecorner bar, we don't care.
There's nobody in there either,or if they are, if there are
people, it is really depressing.
Like it's not, like there's nocheers anymore where you walk in
and you can.
You know, like Jamie's always,you know, like Suzy and Vince
are gonna be here, yeah nothing.

(01:10:47):
And I think there's some beauty.
And well, not in that, but likein the fact, I think that over
COVID, people startedentertaining at home, more
especially after things startedgetting lifted, or even before.
Then they would have you knowwhat it was called the super
spread parties.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Oh my gosh yes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
But, like you were in backyards more and you were,
you know, and I think there'ssomething really lovely about
that and it has to be continuing, otherwise people would be out
more.
You know, not that everybody inthe world goes out on Wednesday
night.
It just happens to be the nightthat we don't teach in the

(01:11:28):
morning.
So, yeah, so we were at theWaking Lizard last night,
because that is like they'reopen till 11 and that's probably
the latest that anything that'snot downtown is open, you know,
yeah, yeah that's true.
Things have changed, things aredifferent, so I have to ask you

(01:11:51):
about your hair, joe.
Everybody loves your hair.
We're all jealous.
Yeah tell me about your process?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
What do you do to maintain it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeah, I feel like I should take it down, so it's, I
don't do much.
I just like shampoo andcondition, but I have this stuff
called Diva Curl.
Yes, it's me, and yeah, youguys are nodding.
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I don't know what it is.
I'm nodding because I'm like,of course, you do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, I have curly hair too, so I yeah, I mean,
they had me at Diva so I alreadygot the curls.
So the funny part about my hairis that it does dread like on
its own, like the spirals, likethey'll just curl and they'll
coil, and so that's, that's aprocess to get those out when I

(01:12:47):
let them go.
But I've donated my hair acouple times and that's why I
grow it out.
I love donating it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Are you going to do it again?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, I'll definitely donate it again.
I think, before I go to theashram, then I'm going to go to,
I'm going to donate it.
So and then, depending on whatpractices I go from there, I
would love to go bulb for awhile and like sit in a Buddhist
temple.
I feel like that'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
I would not recognize you if you walked into the
studio with no hair.
You're like what?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, I don't know.
I kind of want to do it, justto feel like the sensation.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You know like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I've had all this like heavy hair and yeah, it's
like there's a lot of karma thatcomes with like long hair.
You know like in, like thedifferent times in my life, you
know through it and yeah, solike going bald.
Would I feel like put me in thepresence so much?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Be so exhilarating.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I love that.
I will say I have never gonebald and I don't intend to.
But when I donate my hair aswell and it is the best feeling,
not only because it's, you know, obviously for a good cause,
but getting that weightliterally off of your neck is
it's my favorite part of it.
It's just like I lost 20 poundsin my head somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
How long does your hair have to be to donate it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
I think it's 12 inches.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I would say 12 inches for women.
I don't know if it's differentfor men, if they do shorter or
something like that, but Ialways have to do 12.
Yeah.
Yeah, 12 inches so how long canyou be growing out to get it
there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Um, like right now, it's like just below my armpit,
ish, it's like right to my bicep, um three to three to four
years probably.
Oh, okay, wow, I just forgot todonate it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Well, it's curly too, so if he straightened it out,
it's probably.
Yeah, if I straightened it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It was like elbow.
Yeah, for sure, it's always funto what was that I get a good
like six inches when it curls up.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Where's Mary Beth when we need her?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah, I missed that one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
It's fun to you know.
Alina obviously has verytightly curled hair.
Yeah, if you pull it down, itgoes down to her little butt and
then it just springs right backup.
Oh that's cute.
Yeah, it's super cute.
Tell us about your.
You mentioned the ashram, so Iknow that there's some time
between now and then, and sowe're at the end of August.

(01:15:35):
This will prop.
This podcast will probably comeout at the end of August.
Yeah, it'll come out on the.
So we're about.
We recorded this about a weekbefore it came out, so it's a
24th today and if I just turn mycalendar the right way, it'll
show me 30.
This will come out on the 31stand you'll be gone.

(01:15:58):
Where can you share with theinternational podcast lines?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
We won't stalk you when in the world is Josie yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
So I'm going to an ashram in Virginia.
It's called Yogaville and theother name is Intrigal.
Yoga is what they practice.
So the Swami, the Guru, who isthere he's passed away, but I'm
pretty much going to like have aplace to practice.

(01:16:31):
I would love there's a Swamithere who I found online and I
can't pronounce her name so I'mjust not going to say it, but I
found her on YouTube.
I was just like listening toRam Dass and there was videos
that pop up and I saw her andsomething came over me Like I

(01:16:52):
had like a chill and I clickedon the video and as soon as she
started talking, I was sittingat work and I was just on a dock
I do trucking sitting on a dockand I literally just started
bawling my eyes out.
I couldn't hold it back.
Like the purity of her heartthat I felt was like so present

(01:17:14):
and so with me.
And then my mom has alwaystalked about Mother Teresa, so
I've always had like kind of aconnection with her in that name
and the first thing that theSwami starts talking about is
her relationship with MotherTeresa and I was like oh my gosh
, like the itches all like kindof clicked and I was like I have

(01:17:36):
to find this woman.
You know I have to go and seeher, and so that's what drew me
to the ashram.
And then finding her guru, whois past now, has been wonderful,
like his lessons and histeachings have been super
profound for me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
So you'll get to learn from her.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I hope so.
I'm not 100% sure, but like I'mkind of planning to weasel my
way to her and like I'm I wouldsay like I'm a bhakti at heart,
like I'm definitely a devotionalperson, so I would love to just
like go head over heels for fora couple months and, you know,

(01:18:21):
see what she can teach me andall that, but of course, staying
unattached and, you know,keeping my head on straight, of
course.
But yeah, so I'm definitelyexcited for the ashram.
I just can't wait to like justsit down and practice and like
that's the only thing I have todo is hone in and practice.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
So how long will you be there, do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I'm putting on staying a month at least.
So a month to start, and thenfrom there I'm kind of hoping
some opportunities come.
So I wouldn't mind stayingthere.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
So how does that like , how does how does an ashram
work?
Then I mean you're saying youjust can't wait to get there and
practice, just to be there.
But I mean, how do you, how doyou, how do you do this?
I mean, are there requirements?
Do you have to practice acertain amount of time?
Do you meet with other peopleor are you just kind of like
freely trotting around yoga veildoing your own thing?
Which, by the way, when Joycetold me that you were going to

(01:19:20):
yoga veil, I said Joe will bethe mayor of yoga veil within a
week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Thank you.
So I'm not 100% sure how itworks I've never been but from
what I grasp, online is there'slike different things you can do
.
You can you can do they doteacher trainings there.
But what I'm looking for isjust like a staycation, pretty

(01:19:49):
much.
They call it.
So they have like three yogaclasses and like three
meditations a day, so and Ithink those go for like if
you're doing teacher training,like you would go there, if
you're doing a staycation, likewe'd still all go to the same
yoga class.
So those are like they havelike a Monday through Sunday

(01:20:11):
schedule and so that's what Iwould follow.
And then I assume like I wouldbe able to link up with like
gurus who are there and peoplewho could give me like maybe
like some help or you know someother practices that I could be
using.
So yeah, the the staycation isis kind of what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
How big is the ashram ?
Like how many people are there?
I guess I could just go on andlook at yoga.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I'm looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
It's pretty big.
I was like, I feel you know,I'm very curious about all of
this.
I can't wait to hear abouteverything, so so it sounds like
there's a lot of space, a lotof people there, yeah definitely
.
It will be a lot of opportunityfor you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
We can't wait to hear and you're doing a couple of,
you're going to a couple ofmusic festivals between now and
then you're driving all over theplace like Michaela yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, I'm super excited for the festivals.
My, my intention with those islike really like honing in on,
like living my truth, and I feellike at these festivals I'm
going to be around people who,like all the festivals we're
seeing, are very like upbeat,like happy, spiritual kind of

(01:21:36):
festivals.
So I feel like it's going to bereally easy to like step into
those shoes and run with that,and then going from there to the
ashram is is what I'm reallyexcited for, because I'll be
hopefully coming off of and whatwas that, jamie?
Sorry.
Sorry, no I just said it's acool transition.

(01:21:59):
Yeah, yeah, the thing is I have, like I have a lot of college
party desires in me where, like,I really just want to go and
like get drunk with my friendsand have a good night, and
everything spiritual inside mesays like, no, that's probably
not the best idea, like weshould sit and meditate, you
know.
So I really want to like justrun through my desires and, like

(01:22:20):
you know, milk them for alltheir worth and then, you know,
hit the ashram when I'm, like,ready to sit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Yeah, yeah, you'll find balance for sure.
Are you going to that one inMexico at Trevor Hall?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
No, I don't think I'm going to make that one.
No, I am a huge fan of NACO andMedicine for the People.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
He's playing in Vegas in November and I have a couple
of friends out there, so Ithink I'm going to go see him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
That's a festival too , though, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
I'm not on a presentation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Actually, that's a tour.
Okay, yeah, they're great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're not going to see TrevorHall in Mexico either.
I'll say that here on thepodcast.
I'm a little upset with him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Did you see that he signed a deal with Peloton Joe?

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, so like they're doing Peloton's doing like an
artist series of yoga classeswith his music.
I sent him a message to tellhim how I felt.
It was very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Trevor Hall sold out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I kind of was like come on, dude.
No, I didn't say it that way.
I was just like this one kindof stings.
Like you know, yoga isn'tPeloton isn't yoga.
Sorry, Peloton, but it's not ayou know.
That's why we never, it's whywe never live streamed classes,

(01:23:56):
right, Like there's, you can'tconnect.
So we made a digital librarybecause we felt like you clearly
connect, connect personally,right, so there's not really an
opportunity to do that in arecorded class, and so we let
that be what it is, so that ifpeople wanted a guided yoga
class, they can practice withsomething that they're familiar

(01:24:18):
with.
But yeah, I just don't.
I think we've westernized yogaenough and I'll just.
There's my rant.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yeah, so I come at it with a different perspective of
.
To me, trevor Hall is a bridgeand no matter where you put him,
he's going to be a bridge tothat light, so I'm not, I can, I
would totally.
I'm with you that like there'sa part of me that like holds

(01:24:52):
Trevor Hall's music very sacredand so I wouldn't just put that
anywhere.
You know where I want to holdit in kind of a higher standard.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
And there's such a like I haven't used the analogy
of like listening to his musicis a great experience, but being
ahead his concert is issomething different.
That's, that's an experiencethat is kind of sacred, you know
.
And one thing I really loveabout him you kind of touched on

(01:25:23):
this is like when I look at himand his career and everything,
like he followed his heart, Icouldn't ever really see Trevor
Hall like having the goal ofbeing a rock star.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Like on a Peloton screen right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Well, peloton aside, but like I guess I would find it
hard to believe to say that hewould say, like I want to make
millions of dollars playingmusic, like I just feel like
he's he's the product of whathe's studied, and he studied
where his heart has led him.
And most of us, we'reprogrammed to go where money

(01:26:07):
leads us, and so we, and so thisis another thing that's very
impressive about you, joe islike you're feeling that you're
going where you're feelingcalled to go, where the rest of
the world or society, I'm sureis telling you, well, you should
be in college or you should bedoing this or doing that, and
you're like, but that doesn'tsit right with me.
My guess is that it doesn't sitright with lots of people, and

(01:26:32):
so when you don't follow yourheart, you end up being angry
and yelling at the referee andbeing an asshole on the softball
field and just doing you justdon't know yourself.
And so I just feel that, in myeyes, he's a really good example

(01:26:55):
of what can happen when youfollow your heart.
And, yes, I do think that he'sextremely talented, but I think
that we all have that in us,like we're all called to do
something and give our bestgifts back to the world.

(01:27:16):
But it's hard because if youdon't come from like a
financially stable family,you're not gonna be able to take
a month off and go to an ashram, right, like you've probably
never been in that position.
So that's just that's hard.
So, anyhow, back to Peloton.
Yeah, I just don't think it'snecessary.

(01:27:36):
Not saying Peloton is bad, Iheard it's great.
Just wouldn't really want to dotheir yoga.
That's all Our yoga's better.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I third that one for sure, true.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
So what other festivals are you going to?
Now I'm curious.
I'm gonna be just following youon a map at my house.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah.
So the first one is calledShangri-La, which is a it's like
an Asian or Tibetan word for Idon't wanna say Tibetan Asian
culture word for like a placewhere all beings are free.
It's like a mystical place.
And that's with Wookie Foot, ifyou guys have heard of him, and

(01:28:24):
so that's in Minnesota, andthen we'll go to New York the
next weekend and that's an EDMfestival, so that's more like
like bass music and side trancekind of stuff, and then from

(01:28:44):
there we go to Boston and thenfrom there I come back to
Cleveland for a EDM festivalhere called Los Lands yeah, nice
, which is a big EDM festival.
Yeah, that's awesome, yeah.
And then I can't remember wherewe're going the last weekend in

(01:29:05):
September, but we're hoping tohit four back to back to back to
back.
So should be fun, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
You were talking about the show in Vegas In
September.
I've been wanting to go andjust every year I tell myself
when I'm gonna do it and then Inever pull the trigger.
But there's a weekend festivalout in Vegas called Life is
Beautiful Tour and it's a lot ofgood headliner, like bands, a

(01:29:32):
lot of good music, but they alsothey incorporate, like art
culture, cuisine too, so there'slike top chefs there.
These are these big artists,like it's a whole, like 360 of
creativity and artistry andstuff, and I wanted to go for so
many years and maybe next yearI'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Yeah, hit me up, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
There we go, yay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
So I'm looking through the Shangri-La.
Wookiee Foot's got a lot ofneon.
You got your neon ready?

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
But there's also how do you say it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
That's saying yeah, sat song.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Sat song.
They're awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
These are my favorite bands.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Yeah, Dirt wire another good one.
Let me see if I know anyoneelse.
That's gonna be a really coolfestival.
We need photos.
You're not on social media,which is a great thing, but you
can get us on a group text.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Yeah, you send us photos and videos.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
And then are you going to the electric zoo.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
No, we're going to Fire Lights Festival, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Is that the one that's in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
No I see it, oh, you've got dirt wire again.
Funny how that all works.
Yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah, I have a feeling that I'm gonna have like
synchronicities between likethe dirt wire stuff, Cause
there's a couple dirt wire songsI play for yoga, I think at
least one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
You're probably gonna see some of the same people too
, yeah definitely, definitely,yeah.
I love it Very cool.
Well, we're going to have tohave you back.
I know it's gonna be a while,but Mary Beth has been planning
a reunion for everybody who'sbeen on the podcast, so you've
got some time, but I hope thatyou, you know, come in and take

(01:31:44):
some classes while you're home,here and there, and I hope you
keep in touch and I hope youhave a really great time and you
know this is a pretty cooljourney for the rest of us to
witness.
So thank you for spending theselast almost two hours with us
and we hope you you know you'refine, what you're looking for

(01:32:08):
and we want to hear all about it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
Yeah, this is a this is a bittersweet goodbye.
You know we're all superexcited for you, but we're sad
to see you leave.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
We're going to miss you Definitely Well, thank you
guys so much.
It's been awesome like findingyou guys as a community and all
that I did want to share thisstory of.
Do we have time?
Yeah, so it was kind of funnythe way I found modern yoga.
So I was for a while, likeevery morning I woke up like in

(01:32:40):
kind of a dream state.
I would hear, like do yoga, orlike I would feel like this pole
to like do yoga and I would,like, you know, run through like
little stuff, like I would justdo my own, like kind of free
flow and whatnot.
And I really felt like you know, I need to find a studio.
And so my mom, like to me,randomly decided that they

(01:33:02):
wanted to redo the dining room.
So to me it's like, oh my gosh,like our house is perfect
already, we don't need more, butthat you know it's their choice
and it looks great now.
So so they called Ms Weddle,who was like a good friend of or
her daughter was a good friendof my sister growing up, like we

(01:33:23):
all were family friends.
So she does like interior design.
So she came over the one dayand my mom called me down and
she's like, yeah, like MsWeddle's a yoga teacher and she
basically was like yeah, come tomodern yoga.
And that's where I like gotyour name and then two days

(01:33:43):
later I came with that, my firstcheck, and gave it to you to
start teaching there.
So, yeah, it was kind of funny,like I had been like I don't
want to say like openly prayingabout it, but I was like praying
for like something to changeand then all of a sudden, like
Ms Weddle walked through thedoor and it was like modern yoga

(01:34:05):
.
Here it is.
Yeah, so it's been awesome,like you guys and having this
community to jumpstart, like mypath, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
That's really, that's awesome.
I remember that from myperspective too, because I
remember her saying hey, there's, you know, my friend's son.
His name is Joe, and you know,it was just kind of from the
other perspective.
And then there you were andhere you are.
You know, like that's awesome,I want you to call Jamie Ms

(01:34:36):
Pantia from now on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
No, absolutely not.
I certainly can't.
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
No, no, there it is.
I was gonna say, I get sooffended when people call me
ma'am.
Like I know you're just doingit out of respect, but I'm not
ready for it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
So Siri calls her Ms Pantia, so you know.
Yeah, that's true, so it couldbe worse.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
That's fun.
I can't wait to get to the ageI had like I have dreams about
this where I can call everyonelove Like, oh, hi, love.
Like I can't wait.
I feel like I'm still too young, like I'm in this like weird
kind of state or I can't stay itright because I still have too
much sexual energy runningthrough me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
So Hi, love, that's probably it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
More so than anything else.
Where it has like that, E haslike a little twang of like you
know, versus just being like hey, love, yeah, all that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
I think you should do it with an English accent.
That's gonna be.
I'm like For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
What age is it okay to call everybody love?
No, I'm gonna wonder that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Have Bradley, try it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Oh no, absolutely not .
I could see Vince doing it,that I could see.
He has a much softer voice thanBradley.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Bradley doesn't love wouldn't sound right, I think
you should ref a few more gamesand try it there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Yes, Listen love.

Speaker 3 (01:36:01):
We'll come.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
We'll sit down, all right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I'll clear that That'll simmer down the coaches.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Maybe not like a young girl volleyball game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
No, the angry dad that comes in yells at you.
That's the one For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
All right.
Well, thanks to both of you andin the words of the great Mary
Beth Torti all right, we're done.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Awesome Bye Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

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