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Welcome to episode 5 of the Momsense podcast with Molly and
Meg. I'm Molly.
And I'm Meg. So how was your week and what'd
you do for your birthday? Meg's birthday was yesterday.
Yeah, it was yesterday. So on Saturday, I don't remember
what we did during the day really, but at one point I had

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saw that a mom and I'm friends with on Facebook took her kids
to see the new Lilo and Stitch movie.
And Reese is obsessed with the Lilo and Stitch storyteller on
Spotify. Like the story, which those are
outstanding, by the way, if you just look up like Disney stories

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on Spotify, then it has a full list of like every character
story ever. And some of them have like the
same character voices and stuff like that.
Like it's not just somebody reading it.
They're outstanding. Awesome.
But she's really into Lilo and Stitch lately.
So I saw that and I was like, hey, Reese, are you going to a
movie tonight? And she was like, you have to
ask me twice as we're getting out of the car.

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She was, are we in the building yet?
And I was like, my girl, we're in the parking garage and she
was like, OK, she goes when we get inside the building, I have
something to do. And I was like, OK, so we
inside, go upstairs and she leans down and starts digging in
her shoe. And the second I saw her do
that, I was like, oh, this is going to be worth recording.

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So I pulled my camera out and recorded it.
And she pulls a $20 bill out of her shoe.
And she's like, I'm getting us candy tonight for your birthday.
It was super sweet. I'm so cute.
She's really into like paying because one of our big things is
like having her order her own food or like talk to the people

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we're ordering from because it'sgoing to help her build
confidence. And then she's going to be able
to talk to anyone. She like, gets all excited to do
that. And so she got to spend $20 on
candy and she she delivered. Let me tell you that is super
cute. She's an Angel.
I told you like doing things with her is so much fun.
The movie was really good. Oddly into the live actions

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lately. Mufasa just came out.
I don't know if it just came out.
I think in like March, such a good movie.
And that's like my action. I don't know.
So Leila and such was really cute.
She did get a little spooked at the beginning, which kind of
makes sense. That Galifedex character is a
little odd. So she wants to sit with me and
the rest of the movie she's grabbing Skittles gummies and

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popping one in her mouth, grabbing one and like lifting it
over her head to give them to me.
It was cute. It was a really fun night.
Oh my. Gosh, that's so cute.
How did work? Do with Colton.
Good after we leave and she's like super sad as we're going
out the door, but then yeah, after we leave she's like good
to go. How do you do with that?

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Like, I'm sad when we're leaving, but I'm fine after we
leave as well 'cause like, I don't know, they don't get a lot
of time, just the two of them. So Colton rises to the occasion
and like, make sure that they'redoing fun things and she's like
engaged and stuff. So it's nice.
Yeah. And then my birthday was the
next day yesterday and it was awesome.

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Got up and Reese and Colton mademe breakfast, which was super
sweet. And then we went shopping.
I went because Reese's recitals this weekend and I'm was hell
bent. I'm getting Brooke something
that matches Reese's costume to some degree.
And I did that. Cool.
And then we went to some brewerydowntown and I don't it was, it

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was so Portland, like it just reminded us of being back in
Portland so much. We sat out on the patio like
everybody had their dogs. The menu is very like eclectic
and very small, but it was outstanding.
Like the food was really good and it was fun.
Then afterwards, Colton took me to the bookstore and he said, he
said I had to buy five books. I did buy five books for the

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girls. So whatever I went in and like,
so you got me a bunch of books for my birthday that I'm excited
about. And so I don't have like a poll
to get a new book because I already know what I'm going to
read next. And also I, I hate to say this
because the bookstore we went tois AI don't want to say small

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business, but like a locally owned business, yes.
It's not Amazon by any means, right?
But I, you know, I can pay $30.00 for a book there or I can
pay $12.00 in my Kindle. So I have a hard time I think.
I get that because you're very much like a Kindle reader and

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I'm now so I prefer to either listen or have a physical copy.
But you don't, so I get why buying books would be kind of
not your chosen path. Yeah, I mean, I used to be a
physical book person and I didn't think I would be super
into Kindle. But how like, however, it's too
convenient when I have to carry stuff for Reese, stuff for Rook,

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stuff for myself. Like it's a way too convenient
to be able to just like easily slip it into something.
So I don't know, I love it. But I will tell you that Reese,
I did not tell them to do this. So I did say that I was getting
your birthday present ready to mail.
And Reece, they were separated. These two people did not do this

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together. Reece brings something up to me
and says I want to get this for Molly.
Until you see it, it's hysterical.
Then Colton, who was in the car with Brooke because we were
trying to get her to nap, she fell asleep really quickly,
comes in and when he comes up, he's holding something and he
goes for Molly's birthday. I didn't, I did not say go find
something for Molly. And let me tell you, the thing
that Colton found for you was even funnier.

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Aw that's so cute. I feel so special.
It's my birthday. Everybody's walking around
looking for you. You're very you're very loved in
my family. Yeah, you should be like, excuse
me, do you not? Don't like we can talk about
Molly's birthday after mine is done.
Not even done yet. Yeah, no, it's sweet.
I loved it. And then we came home, did like

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the cake and present stuff. And then I, I don't, I don't
know if I've said this in the podcast, but Reese's been
growing butterflies. She got a butterfly cake for her
birthday. Did she?
Yeah, when we went downstairs. Yeah, well, they.
Look at all my butterflies. And I was like where?
Like outside she's like no, right there.
And it took me a second to realize what she's pointing at.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, you have a makeshift butterfly

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container thingy. Yeah, she got one for her
birthday from my aunt, and she loved it.
She was obsessed. She wanted to learn all about
it. Anyways, we got to release those
yesterday. Oh.
Special that. Was my day.
It was a great birthday. I was going to ask you.
OK, so you said you guys went home and did cake.
What is your chosen cake flavor?So my favorite is do you know

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the place where you and I have been getting sandwiches from
when you come to visit? They have a cake that I've
gotten for Reese's birthday a few years in a row.
It's like a Reese's peanut butter cupcake and it is divine.
It is so, so good. Colton tried to get that, he
said, but they things have changed since they've gotten a
brick and mortar location, been busy, whatever.

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So he ended up getting me a ice cream cake from Cold Stone.
Outstanding. Yeah, 100%.
I was going to try to sneak someafter the kids went down before
I got onto this, but I'm probably going to do it after.
They're so good. It's so good and it's out of
their sight. So like every time they I look
so forward to my after bedtime snack, I think of it all day

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long. All day long.
I hide it from them. Grace, do we have any Kit Kats
left? I have no idea what you're
talking about. Anyways, today we worked outside
all day long. And the girls, both girls were
so helpful all day long. And like, like, we're doing lots
of digging. We're like, cleaning off rocks,

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putting rocks back, digging up bushes, whatever.
And like, both kids were so engaged with it all day long.
And the arguing was so minimal towards bedtime, which is very
abnormal. Bedtime's been lately.
So yeah, anyways, very, very good weekend.
Good. Made that Tell me about you.
Tell me about your updates. OK, so I'll start with tonight.

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I started putting her down at 8:00 tonight and like I was
battling with her still at 9:00.I was like dude go to sleep and
she'll go to sleep. I've tried putting her down
awake. She does that for naps, she'll
go down awake and she used to dothat at bedtime.
She hasn't been doing that lately but I tried to put her
down awake tonight and she rolled around for like 5 minutes

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before she started wailing. So then I went back up there.
Then she will fall asleep on me beautifully.
Like I move, she doesn't move, she's out.
And then the second her head hits, I think I've already said
this. I know I complained about every
week but her head hits mattress and she's awake and like crying
like screaming crying. So then I pick her right back
up. Within 30 seconds she's sleeping

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again. But then I put her back down and
she wails. So it's like I do this four
times. I'm like dude, go to sleep.
Especially when I have somethingelse I want to and or need to be
doing. I'm just like every time she
does it, it's more and more discouraging.
We're going through it right now. 2 days ago was the first
time she'd woken up in the middle of the night in quite
some time. And like she woke up before we

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went to bed and then she woke uplike an hour after I'd fallen
asleep. And I went back up there and it
took me like 45 minutes to an hour to get her back to sleep
because she did the whole like fall asleep wake up thing 20
times. And then I just fell asleep in
one of the guest rooms upstairs because I was like, you know
what, She's probably going to doit again, so.

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How's your morale? A minute like 46 after going
back up, Not. Good.
It's frustrating. Yeah.
I think back on when she would routinely wake up in the middle
of the night and because I was expecting like a 2:00, four
o'clock 6:00 wake up, when that would come around, I'm like, OK,

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this is normal. This is how we do it.
But now that she hasn't woken upin forever and she is now, now
I'm just so frustrated. Like I wasn't frustrated before.
I was tired, but that was just part of what was going on in
that phase. Now that it's out of that
ordinary and it's back now, I hate it.
But she slept in the night againlast night, so it's fine.
I'm sure it'll even out soon. It's just.

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Yeah. Or having rough getting to
sleep. Couple weeks.
But my mom tells me when I get frustrated, she says
everything's a phase. And she's right the the problem.
I hate when she's right though. Yeah, sure, she's right.
And it doesn't make it any easier in the moment just

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because you don't know when sun phase is going to end.
It's not like there's a start and a finish and you're like a
few more days of this. It's like this is how and I
might have to do it for another week or 10, I have no idea.
Yeah, I would say like, yes, you're right.
When I'm not in a phase and I'm like just talking about how hard
things were or could it can be, then it's so easy to be like,

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yeah, last time it was really, really hard.
It only lasted for like a week or a week and a half.
But then, yeah, when you're in the phase, it feels like it's
never ending. And the anxiety of like, Oh my
gosh, is this going to continue and for how long is it going to
continue is just all all consuming.
And well, when you come up for air after something something
difficult and things regress, it's like that was all I had.

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Like I was like so thrilled because I got a little bit of
freedom back and now it's gone. It yeah, it just feels.
Yep. I mean upset.
Yeah, I feel like I'm more sane and like easier to be around now
because I'm sleeping more and sothe potential of not sleeping
more, it's frustrating. I told Megan yesterday.

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I feel like Taylor and I were both so annoyed with each other
all day and then I went to bed and realized it was probably
because I got like 4 hours of sleep the night before.
I hate that. I hate so much when I have an
attitude and in the moment I feel so valid and said attitude
and then you go, you go to sleepor you eat and you're like,

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yeah, did I make a mistake? It's so embarrassing.
It's so. Humbled.
Seriously embarrassing because it's like I've been here before
but this time is different and I'm right.
Yeah, okay, so yesterday, I think we've made it clear in the
last episode that I, I am the default parent, right?

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So I spend all day every day 24/7 with Penelope.
And Taylor spends nights with her when he gets home before she
goes to bed, which is a couple times a week and then the
weekends. So he is with her like he spends
a lot of time with her, but not as much as I do.
And yesterday she woke up from anap late.
It was like 130 when she woke up.

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She usually gets up an hour before that.
And we went out to lunch and shewas like quiet and not her like
squealy happy smiley self. She was kind of like quiet and
would air and stuff. And Taylor kept saying she's
tired. And I was like Taylor, she stays
up for like 5 hours at a time now.
She's been up for two hours. She's not tired, she's fine.

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And then we were on our way homeand he's like, I bet she's going
to fall asleep in the car. And I'm sitting there rolling my
eyes. No, she's not.
She's fine. And but in the back of my mind
I'm like, please don't fall asleep.
Please don't fall asleep becausethen I'm wrong.
Whose side are you on? Seriously, And then like today,
Taylor will just make comments and I'll like roll my eyes like

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he'll say she I think she's hungry and I'm like, no, she's
not. She just had a bottle and and
all I think is like one, kids can be different day-to-day.
So like, girl, don't be different right now, be on my
side. But then also I've got to give
him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt.
He's trying to be attuned to her, so like, it's coming from a

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good place. And I don't know why I keep
trying to knock that down. It's not a personal hit to me if
he's right and I'm wrong. But you know, it's really hard
to be wrong sometimes. Especially about like something
that you're a subject matter expert in, such as Penny.
I was annoyed yesterday and my mom was so funny.
She texted me this morning and she was like, hey, if you want

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me to come over this weekend foryour birthday, I can watch Penny
while you guys go out and do something if you want.
And I was like, oh, that's really nice, give me a little
bit because I'm annoyed with Taylor right now and I don't
want to propose. It was a date, but I'll let you
know later. That's so real.
I don't know. I was like, we literally just
got done. We weren't really like fighting,
but we were like snippy with each other.

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And then I answered that text and I was like, Oh well, I can't
go back and pretend like everything's fine and ask him if
he wants to go on a date, right?To her up on it, right?
Yeah, but I did like, after everything cooled down, I was
like, hey, I think my mom wants to come watch Penny so we can go
out. Tell you she's awesome.
Yeah. How fortunate it is.
That's really nice. She travels quite a ways to do
that for us. Yeah, Grandma, Grandma here.

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She's the best. Today I had a very productive
day. So this morning I put Penny down
for her nap and I went to the store to buy some home decor
stuff. We just had our renovation done
a couple months ago and I put the bedrooms together, but I
needed some wall art and stuff like that to finish it up.
So I went to Target and bought abunch of cute stuff for the
bedrooms and got those all put together.

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I put my husband's Blackstone together.
I bought him a Blackstone for his birthday and had yet to put
it together, so I put it together today.
You texted me that and I was like, is there anything you
can't do? And then later you're like, I'm
hanging a photo. And I was like, how?
I mean, if it's like nail hammer, that's it, fine.
But if I have to like do the leveling, there's two of them.
Nope. It'll stay on the ground

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forever. Yeah.
And then I redid our upstairs guest bathroom.
Well, it's kind of Penny's bathroom, but either way, I did
that. Then I came home and put
Taylor's Blackstone together andthen after that I made home.
I made Mac and cheese which I'veonly done like one other time.
Was it good? It was really good.
I started using Megan's genius meal plan spreadsheet thing.

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She had homemade Mac and cheese on there.
So I was like, well, I don't know how to make that.
I just haven't since Friendsgiving that we hosted 2
years ago. Yeah, so I made homemade Mac and
cheese and Taylor requested thatwe have pulled pork in it, so I
made that too. Yeah.
It was good. Look at you.
I bet. Yeah.
I had a very productive day today.
Seriously, it sounds like you did.

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That feels good, huh? Yeah, it was good and it was
fun, and it's hard to get a lot of those big projects done when
it's just me and Penny, so it's nice to have Taylor around for
me to finish that stuff. Yeah, I got that.
On the weekends when the weather's nice, I always feel
like there are two types of days.
There's the days where we are just waiting for the next sleep

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time, like we're just hanging around waiting for that.
And those days aren't so good for the mental health.
And then there are days where you're like, I'm like, I was
supposed to get her down for a nap an hour ago because you guys
are so busy and so involved in what you're doing.
And the date that was like a daywe had today.
And days like that I I'm like, why do I have to be sad about

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life is so good? Yeah, it was fun.
I also made the meal spreadsheetlast night and I made the
grocery order. So I went and picked up
groceries for it today. I'm just like really excited to
try you guys's method because itis really, really nice to know
that I have all the meals planned out and I have all the
groceries that I could need because I feel like half the

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time I'm like, well, I'll have this for dinner tonight, but I
have half that half of the groceries, right?
So I'm excited about that. And also I'm going to be very
vulnerable here and say that we get takeout probably twice,
maybe three times a week. So this is going to cut down on
that. A.
We did too when Reece was littlefor like her first year until we

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moved to Michigan where we couldn't do take out as easily
anymore. We did it all the time because
like I keep saying, everything'sa trade off and if that's where
you're trading off, that's OK. And if you want to change that,
I hope that meal thing helps because yeah, it really helps
us. Yeah, I'm really excited.
I have a lot of meals on there that I haven't made in quite a
while. And ours, one of ours is like

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grilled cheese with those ours. OK.
So I'm just saying like ours aren't like the most, they're
not like gourmet, like the most like intricate meals ever.
Like some of them are like threeingredients and you're done.
Seriously, Taylor's favorite meal is Sloppy Joe's.
Sure, sure. There's like, are you 12 at
summer camp? My favorite foods are foods that

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five year olds eat. PB and JS, chicken Nuggets,
grilled cheese, French fries. Like if a little kid eats it.
I'll eat it. Taylor loves PB and Ji don't
understand. I hate PB and J.
I've never had a like. I've had a peanut butter and
Jelly like one time when I was akid I used to only have peanut
butter sandwiches. You've had it only one time.

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Yeah, I don't. And you don't.
Like it? It's too sweet.
You're a monster. I know.
Those are delicious. I know he loves peanut butter
and Jelly, he makes them for lunch almost every single day.
And Penny will be sitting in thekitchen with me while he's
making it for lunch and he'll walk her through the steps.

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Take it back, they're delicious.That's fine.
We're all entitled our opinions,even if they're wrong.
All right, let's move on to mentally strong moms, make
mentally strong kids because we think that the more we do for
ourselves, the more patient we can be and this is a great way
to hold each other accountable. So we went to go see Jenna.

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She is going on 17 weeks pregnant, I think, and starting
to feel a lot better, she said. So that's exciting.
I wanted to see the little mom. I bet.
I bet she's going to be probablythe cutest pregnant woman ever.
I'm sure of it. So yeah, going to see her.
It was fun. So what did you do for yourself
this? Week mine isn't like as fun and

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happy as I have been, but Reese has her recital on Saturday and
people from my side are coming. People from Colton's side are
coming and everyone's super excited.
Reese is very, very excited. She's has her dance down patch,
she's been practicing at home, so it's a big deal.
We're all really looking forwardto it.
I was going to host everybody here.
That's what I did last year anyways, and it works out well.

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However, this week, no Colton istraveling for work and that just
puts a wrench in an already packed week.
He's going to travel on Thursdayand Friday or Siteville is on
Saturday. And I was like, all right, well,
here's what I can do. I can either prep food ahead of
time and add something else to, again, an already packed week,

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or I can cook the day of and notbe present on a day where, you
know, I get to see family. Like I'm excited to do it as
well and I want to be present for Reese and I don't like that.
So my thing that I did for myself is I decided to pull the
plug on hosting and I was pitched I'll go out to like a
late lunch, early dinner becausethat way there is 0 pressure.

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I can be present all the things that I need to be present with
this week and I can enjoy the recital day without feeling like
I have so much to plan for. And I don't like it.
Like I would prefer to just haveeverybody here, but it doesn't
makes it makes no difference to Reese, right?
Like she doesn't care. All her favorite people are
going to be in the same room. And so she's looking forward to

(21:44):
that. So now I'm tasked with finding a
reservation. But that'll be nice.
And I'm happy that I did this and I made the decision today.
I just think that it's going to be more manageable for me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it will be let way less
stressful for you to not have tomake sure the house is clean and
the food is ready and everything's going to plan.

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Yeah, it's not bad. However, we have, yeah,
appointments and stuff early in the week and we have her
rehearsal on an evening night inthe week and we record and I
have a visitor coming over on Friday.

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And so all these like different things considered and Colton
being gone, so being like fully responsible for bed times and
stuff like that, it'll just be nice to not have to worry about
the food piece and like we get to leave and go directly to the
restaurant and I can rap and like be engaged.
Hard decision to make, but it'llbe good.
Yeah, I mean, you're looking outfor future Megan, which is

(22:50):
important. Yeah, yeah.
And many a time I don't. And these experiences are a part
of my motherhood, too. I just want to have a good day
and this will help me do that. I'm glad.
Let me know where has decided togo.
Colton has committed himself to using ChatGPT for
recommendations, and it hasn't failed this yet.
So it like runs my life now. But if any of that data gets

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leaked, it was nice knowing you,you'll never see me again.
I've got to get out of the face of the planet.
It could be interesting. What is Megan's ChatGPT history?
I mean, half of it's about the podcast.
More than half for sure, but yeah, the rest of it probably
going to the grave with me. I just like, I have questions.
I'll, I'll be transparent. So I had a question for one of

(23:38):
Reese and Brooks specialists andI felt I felt like asking this
question was going to sound likeI was questioning their opinion,
which is not the way I wanted tocome off because if anything is
true about my relationships withtheir specialists is that I
trust them wholeheartedly. And so I didn't know how to do

(24:00):
it. I was overthinking it.
And I was like, you know who will know how to do this?
ChatGPT. So I went in.
I was like, here are my bullet points.
And it like it, like it like gasses you up a little bit
beforehand. It'll be like, you know, you are
just being so thoughtful and it's very clear that you value
these opinions and like, here you go.
And then I'll be like, do you like this tone or do you want it
to change a little bit? And I'm like, you know what?

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Oh, the tone to change to be like a little bit more light
hearted and be like, you got a girl and then gives you
something else. It's great, honestly.
But like, yeah, it can never getleaked.
Never. Get leaked.
Hilarious. If I die, it is your
responsibility to get my phone and blow it up.
Do not ever see the. Next, we would typically do

(24:42):
cheers and tears. However, I'm going to be very
honest, it is not my favorite segment.
So what Megan and I are going todo is we are going to discuss a
few different segment ideas. Megan and I seem to be busier
than we would like to think, so we don't have the time to talk
about it outside of our recording time.

(25:03):
So we're going to do like a livepodcast meeting for you guys.
But I was thinking it might be kind of cool if we talk about
the segment ideas, maybe we can do them in a brief way and then
we can have people kind of like weigh in.
Which one do you like the best? Yeah, I like.
That OK #1 would be what we googled this week.

(25:25):
But look at that. Should we add in what did we
ChatGPT this week? No, dear God no.
And they can be mom related onesor they can just be like general
funny ones because I have loads of those ones.
I'm kind of out of like the mom ones.
I do have one of those every once in a while.

(25:46):
I will self disclose 90% of the things that I Google are because
I'm watching a movie or a show and I either don't know what
they're talking about so I have to look up references or we're
watching a documentary and I getto like nosy and I want to know
what happens before I finish documentary.
It's the kind of stuff that Colton does that should be.

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Taylor, does it do? Yeah.
Where's the fun in it? I don't know.
I mean we still watch it I guess.
So I've got 2 that I can touch on.
The first one, both of them werelast night.
Both of them were last night. So the first one is I looked up
best book club books of 2025 because I'm up next to pick our

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butt club book. So I was looking at a few
different options. I went I opened up my Google
activity just to give an honest answer.
I, I looked up energy used by AIbecause one thing about my AI,
well, yeah, yes, yes, of course.And one thing about my AI usage

(26:55):
is I had a hurdle to get over, which is that I would ask AIA
question and then if it like thequestion wasn't like I needed to
further clarify, for example, I would always, I would feel so
guilty about like taking up so much of its time.
Oh, do I have mom issues? I think so.
Did you do this in school where you ask a question of a teacher

(27:18):
and they don't really answer your question and you say OK but
they didn't answer your question?
Thanks so much. Thank you.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I've done that. Yeah, I've done that my whole
life. My whole life.
I like don't want to be a bother.
You're still sitting at your desk.
Yeah, You're looking at your paper like, I'm going to turn
this in and they're going to be like, she asked me specifically

(27:39):
about this and she still got it wrong.
Is she OK? Did she listen now?
I didn't want to bother you again.
Yeah, no 100%. Anyway, So I and I, I saw that
if you say thank you, I always use my manners with ChatGPT.
I don't want to be rude. And I heard that you say thank
you, it like uses excessive amount of energy.

(28:02):
And so I asked it today, like when I say thank you, is it
using too much? And when I was like, what am I
doing? I should just go to Google
because I'm wasting its energy by doing that.
You're having a full on conversation with ChatGPT.
Have I not made that clear already?
I'm just the other one I'm goingto do.
It was on Saturday. I looked up Kelly Bishop's real

(28:25):
name because before she had explained that but she didn't go
into a ton of detail in the book.
But before she explained it, I was like Kelly in the 1940s.
Her parents were so modern. That's crazy.
She guys be the first Kelly ever.
She had said it but I missed it.So I googled what her real name
was and I also looked up what presidents are in Mount Rushmore

(28:47):
because recently I reading a book about Rob Mount Rushmore
and I knew the two outskirts butdid not know the interior
presidents. I knew who they were but I
didn't know which one was which.So I had to Google it really
quick before she asked the question.
Looks I didn't want to look likean idiot.
She can't. Way to go.
OK, the second segment options are things we are loving.

(29:09):
So it can be like kid related, mom related, not mom or kid
related. I'm going to do be kid related
and then a mom related. Go ahead.
OK. The things that we're loving
right now, she has this sit to walk thing, right?
The things that you push. Megan knows what I'm talking

(29:30):
about because I sent her a picture of it and she literally
typed to me the lyrics to the song that it plays endlessly.
So most annoying toy ever. However, Penny loves it.
She'll lay on her belly and touch all of the buttons 20,000
times. And I mean, I stand by the fact
that the most annoying toys are like the best ones.

(29:53):
When I was pregnant, I was like,I don't care that people
complain about how annoying toysare.
Like, if they're good for them and the babies like them, that's
fine. But yes, we do love that.
And then the mom thing that I'm really into right now are the
under eye patches. Yeah, I've been using those
almost every day. Right now I'm using the, I think

(30:14):
it's Pixie, that brand that's atTarget.
Yeah, OK. Yeah.
Now be honest with me, do you see a change or is it just the
act of self-care? I don't know if I see a change.
OK, so last week you said when your supply would dip, you would
throw the kitchen sink at it andtry literally everything.

(30:34):
That's how I am with my under eyes.
But yeah, I like, I'm. I'm excited to keep doing it.
Yeah, I love when I get stuff like that.
I mean, it's just like the act of like having something novel
that's nice. Yeah.
OK, so something that I've been liking for me is linen pants.

(30:56):
I used to not touch anything with a 10 foot bowl that I had
to iron or steam in order to wear for just like daily
activities. And I will, I will do anything I
have to to put these on because I'm wearing them right now
because I feel like they look sopolished and put together.
But they're super, super comfortable.
And so I have 3 pairs in my collection so far and I I plan

(31:19):
to keep adding to them. I bought a pair this morning.
Yeah, really. Target.
What do they look like? They're.
White with like a black pinstripe.
Yeah, I've been very into them. Something parenting related that
I'm really into lately are chapter books.
I there are so many chapter books out there for little kids
and something that I like doing if the morning time allows, OK,

(31:42):
if Brock is feeling like she wants to work with us is read
chapter books where the girls are eating because they'll both
focus on the book and prevents Reese from getting out of her
chair a million times. I'm always looking for chapter
books to like in the morning. Sophie Mouse is fantastic.
I really like those books because the characters in them
are like they solve problems together and picky when it comes

(32:04):
to chapter books. I think I told you Reese got
into Harry Potter a little bit. Judge me if you want because
she's 5 I know. But we ended up doing a thing
where she sorts herself into a house and she is a Ravenclaw and
just like her mom. And so she wanted to watch the
movie. She watched it, I skipped

(32:26):
through certain parts and then now every once in a while I read
her a chapter and she's been into that.
It's very like light hearted in the beginning.
Did sheep sorcerer's? Stone the book or yeah, she
sorry, the movie. Yeah, she really liked the
movie. It's of course her to scare her
at the end, so we like. Scared me through, I was like
12. Yeah, like we're definitely a
little too early in it. We watched that on one of the

(32:47):
nights where Colton's traveling.We did our sleepover.
So yeah, that's another chapter book that we've been reading in
that's fun. Yeah, Harry Potter, weirdo.
Big big fan. Like they're all 12 out of 10.
Really. You think?
So yes, my, I love them. They're so good.
Especially. Books.

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All right, so the third segment that we would propose, we're not
going to like do it right now because we need audience
participation, but it would be called Just Between Us moms
where people anonymously write in either confessions or
questions or topics for us to discuss.
And it's anonymous. And yeah, we would have an open

(33:30):
discussion on something brought up by someone else.
All right, well, those are our three options.
So what we Googled this week, things were loving and Just
Between Us moms. Let us know which one you're
feeling because we're going to add 1 in in place of cheers and
tears. Yes.
And who knows, we might go wild and add a Mullen.
Do like some sort of rotating thing?

(33:52):
I'd keep things fun. We're.
Going to keep you guys guessing.I'll give everybody 2 guesses on
who came up with those and the answer is not me, it's Chad GPD.
Not me either. So we are going to get right
into our episode topic this week.
We're going to talk about pregnancy and then we're going
to go through our birth stories.We teased it a couple weeks ago,
so might as well dive in. Indeed.

(34:14):
Before we even start, I want to ask you, Megan, which trimester
was the worst, First, second, third or fourth?
I you have to remember I've beenpregnant twice so my answers
different. OK, good for both.
For my 1st pregnancy my third trimester was the worst and for

(34:38):
my second pregnancy my first trimester and half of my second
trimester were the worst. What about you?
How do you pick? I think my third trimester was
the worst, but not for the reasons you would expect.
First trimester was. I mean, not fun, but it wasn't

(35:00):
as bad as I thought it was goingto be and as bad as other
people's first trimester is. I was lucky I only had a little
bit of nausea for like a week ortwo.
I would be really nauseous for acouple hours a day.
But I never threw up and I didn't have any food aversions.
Nothing like that. The only real thing that kicked

(35:22):
my ass was the fatigue. I remember crying to
inappropriate people about how tired I was.
I cried to my boss about how tired I was while I was at work.
In hindsight, that was inappropriate.
I mean, a lot of things are happening.
Yeah, I, I was overwhelmed. I had decided not to drink

(35:43):
coffee through my pregnancy, which I'm a coffee person.
I'm breastfeeding right now, so I tame it down a little bit, but
I would drink a full pot of coffee on my own.
So yeah, I would cry to people because I wasn't drinking
coffee. I would get headaches and I
wasn't taking anything. So I think that the emotional
roller coaster of first trimester as well as the fatigue
were the worst. I also could not figure out how

(36:06):
I wanted to balance being a new mom and working as much as I did
without without giving up anything.
Because that's not, you know, possible.
It's not possible to not give stuff up.
So anyway, I just cried all the time and I hated that.
Yeah, it sounds like you were processing the fact that your
life is going to be flipped upside down, and you were pretty

(36:26):
tuned into what those things were going to be.
And that is emotional. OK.
You guys are already aware. I've been pregnant twice.
And so with my first pregnancy, I did have food aversions.
I didn't write this down. I totally forgot about it.
And they started early. They started before my nausea
did. And it was like I couldn't smell
coffee. So poor Colton couldn't make

(36:47):
coffee in the house. And I was definitely getting
sick with Reese. And I don't know how long it
went on for, but eventually my OB suggested I could do like a
unisom and be sexy. He said it was the same compound
based basically is a prescription medication.
It worked like a dream. Like it completely took my
nausea away and I ended up taking that until 18 or so weeks

(37:13):
and then I like weaned off it and I was good to go.
So I was really grateful for that.
I did have a sub chorionic hematoma with Reese, which is
like where there's a pocket of blood behind the placenta.
And in my case they weren't super concerned.
They said in most cases they endup going away on their own, but
it's something that I had to monitor a little extra and yeah,

(37:35):
that did. They go away on its own.
It did go away and it's on. Yeah.
And like, it was my first pregnancy, so I was very, very
stressed out about that. But yeah, it all ended up being
OK. And the only thing I noted is
that with Reese, when I was pregnant with Reese, I was
traveling a ton for work. Like, I went to New York for a
marketing conference and I was traveling to Seattle, WA

(37:57):
multiple times. So like, I'm super sick.
I'm on airplanes. So that was really miserable.
And then with Brooke I was severely nauseous.
I was sick with her from like 7 weeks all the way to 20 ish
weeks and nothing nothing worked.
They prescribed multiple medications, none of it worked.

(38:18):
I was miserable. It was terrible.
But that ended up subsiding. I thought you know like this
will wrap up by the 2nd trimester.
They said that you start to feelbetter.
Like I felt good with Reese. Like maybe that'll have a broken
up case love case. I wasn't traveling but I was at
home with a toddler so trying time that's for sure.
Yeah, that is not some fun. Nope, not fun at all.

(38:38):
OK, moving on to 2nd trimester. So I prior to being pregnant, I
am somebody that gets multiple headaches a week, like
manageable headaches. I could take ibuprofen or
something and go about my day every once in a while.
Every couple months I would get migraines where like no medicine
helped. And the only thing that did help
is sleeping. And when I get migraines, I am

(39:00):
nauseous and I throw up most of the time.
Yeah. Anyway, in pregnancy they told
us to watch out for preeclampticsymptoms.
And migraines are like severe headache is signs of
preeclampsia. So I went to my OB and had like
blinding headaches through my second trimester, like very

(39:20):
severe migraines. I went home from work multiple
times. There was one incident where I
called my OB because I couldn't form sentences.
It felt like something was goingon.
I was like, this is not something I'm used to.
My vision was all weird. So I went to my OB and they
said, well, if you have had headaches in the past, it's very
likely that your hormones will exacerbate those.

(39:42):
So I just had pretty chronic headaches through my second
trimester, which was not fun. That sounds terrible.
Yeah, terrible. Yeah.
You can't function. It's like nausea, you can't
function. The only other thing that
happened during my second trimester was around 14 weeks is
when relaxing starts like that hormone that loosens your joints

(40:04):
and stuff. And from 14 weeks till the end
of my pregnancy, I had the worstjoint pain.
Like by the end of every day I would cry because my body hurts
so bad. Even like my job, I'm a
therapist, right? So I sat all day, even sitting
hurt so bad. I couldn't put my weight on.

(40:25):
Certain parts of my pelvis hurt so bad.
And my even my knuckles hurt andmy elbows hurt.
So joint pain and migraines werereally bad during my second
trimester, but my mood was way better and my energy level of
course was back to normal. Yeah, I didn't put anything for
my second trimester because apart from my nausea with Brooke

(40:46):
creeping into the second trimester, I can't really
remember a whole lot from eitherof it.
And so I imagine that means thatit wasn't, I mean, not
memorable. So probably nothing terrible.
I do recall my energy levels being high in the second
trimester. Yeah.
And yeah, your mood feels a little bit better.
It feels like if there is, this is going to be a phase where you
can enjoy pregnancy. Most people say that I happened

(41:08):
that second trimester and I feellike that was the case with
Reese. Different, different story for
my second pregnancy, of course, just because, yeah, I had a 2
1/2 year old running around. So that was a character building
experience. But yeah, not not a lot to add
to 2nd trimester. That's all right.
Second trimester is supposed to be bliss, and most people don't

(41:30):
have lots of complaints for that.
OK, so we'll move on to the third trimester then.
I kicked off my third trimester with my first of two baby
showers. So the one that Megan helped
plan I had at 28 weeks. So like right when I turned into
my third trimester. And that day, I remember very
specifically that day was the very first day that I had any

(41:52):
kind of swelling. Oh, yeah, I remember you sitting
with your feet up. Yeah.
And from then on, I had the mostswollen ankles for my entire
third trimester. Like ankles, fingers.
I couldn't wear my wedding ringsafter like 15 weeks, 16 weeks
pregnant. So my wedding ring was a size 5

(42:13):
1/2. I bought size 9 like fake rings
to wear as my wedding rings thatI didn't not wear anything.
My fingers went up 4 1/2 sizes. Like what?
Oh wow. Yeah, I had the worst swelling.
My Obs were actually very good about never commenting on how

(42:37):
much weight I'd gained. Like ever.
They never said one word about. It's fantastic.
That's how it should be. My OB's never said anything
about my awakening either. But this is going to sound like
a fabricated story and I swear in my children's life it is not.
There's a nurse that worked withmy OB and she I saw her
beginning at every single one ofmy appointments.

(42:58):
She was a sweet girl. It was just like conversations
were a little awkward and I never knew if it was me or just
we didn't drive or whatever. There's one time specifically,
and I don't remember what trimester or anything like that,
but she did dead serious. Asked me if my husband liked
that I've gained a little bit ofweight.
Wild time, no? So other than the swelling and I

(43:23):
had like increasingly sore joints, so like that was just
getting worse as time went on, the fatigue came back.
But the thing that was out of the ordinary is around 31 weeks,
I started to feel her move a little less.
She would still move. I'd still feel her move at least
once a day, but it wasn't often.It wasn't like, Oh my gosh,

(43:45):
she's caking all the time. It was like I'd have to either
sit and try to think about when the last time I felt her move
was, or I would feel her. It'd be the end of the work day
and I'd be like, oh, I felt her move at like 10 this morning,
but that's it. Oh, it was out of the ordinaries
at 31 weeks. I started getting non stress

(44:05):
tests twice a week and one ultrasound a week so that they
could check like my amniotic fluid levels to make sure that
that was all fine. I was very frustrated with this
during the time because they never really told me what
decreased movement could mean. They never really told me Oh
yeah she's moving less. They never had validated that.

(44:28):
However I would fail my non stress tests all the time so I
knew that she wasn't moving during the testing times and
they would send me to labor and delivery.
I think I went to labor and delivery 4 times in my third
trimester for extended monitoring and we'd stay there
for a few hours. But I just was annoyed because
I, I didn't know what decreased movement could mean, right?

(44:48):
Like I went down this huge rabbit hole of does it mean that
she doesn't have muscle tone? Does it mean that she could have
neuro issues? All these things, right?
But yeah, they never really toldme.
And then I found out that she was going to be 5 lbs.
And I was like, well, that probably was it.
She probably was just super small, Yeah.

(45:08):
Teeny tiny baby. Yeah, but that was kind of the
extent of my third trimester. It was very stressful because of
the decreased movement thing andconstantly having to go to labor
and delivery. I really didn't want them to
induce me significantly early. So I was always praying that
that wasn't going to be a thing.But I think everything else that

(45:29):
went under my third trimester was fairly normal.
I had a very large, very round pregnant belly.
But I didn't get to that point where I was like, I'm so
incredibly uncomfortable. I just want to give birth.
I mean, I was equally uncomfortable at 28 weeks as I
was at 40 weeks. So it never got like

(45:50):
significantly worse. OK, that's terrible.
It wasn't the best. OK so for my 3rd trimester with
my first pregnancy I had excessive swelling as well.
I don't remember when it startedbut I do know that I couldn't
fit my shoes on for my last few appointments.

(46:12):
I was wearing slippers to my appointments, which it was covad
time, so I wasn't going out and about very often, which actually
is a good point to say. I don't want to be insensitive
when I say this because I do know that COVID was terrible for
so many people for so many reasons.
In regards to my pregnancy, it was really rather nice because I

(46:32):
got to stay home. The world shut down in March and
then I delivered Reese on April 25th.
So the whole time I got to stay home and rest and that was
really nice. Like you have my house around or
whatever, not have to, you know,lug all my stuff and myself out

(46:53):
of the house. That was great.
But I was very, very swollen, which was, you know, quite
uncomfortable. And I did have a lot of pelvic
floor plate pain with Reese thatwas like making walking and
daily living very challenging. And then I don't really remember
home lot with Brooke third trimester.

(47:15):
I did not have swelling with her.
I should also add that my swelling with Reese was not
related to preeclampsia. It was so excessive that during
labor and delivery, I remember the nurse like uncovered my feet
and she was like rubbing them and she said, Oh, sweetie, like
so she she had noted how how large my ankle were, but it
thank God, wasn't related to anything concerning.

(47:37):
I did not experience that with Brooke.
I assumed it would, you know, since everything else is more
intense with Brooke that that I would experience the same thing.
But I was very fortunate in thatregard.
Only thing that I noted with Brooke was that I did have
contractions start on her. I think it was on her due date
and we called my father-in-law because they brought their

(47:57):
camper down to our house and they were going to stay down
here and watch Reese whenever wecalled them and we called them.
We called my father-in-law, I don't know, later in the evening
and the contractions were like moving and we were timing them
and we ended up going in and once we got there, things just
started to completely slow down.And I was super bummed about

(48:19):
that. I thought I was going to go into
labor naturally, but that wasn'tthe case again.
And so they sent me home and five days later is when 5.
Days. Yeah, it was five days after my
due date. I was scheduled for my
injection, so not the way that Iwanted it to go, but that's OK.
I'm fortunate that with most of my pregnancy related stuff, even

(48:40):
like in the nausea, I'm like, you know, whatever it is what it
is, it's OK and. I was like terrified that I was
going to get stretch marks from my swelling, that I was going to
get stretch marks on my ankles. That would have been terrible.
They just felt like the tightestskin that's ever been on the

(49:02):
body, like a ham and a tube sock.
That's how it felt. Yeah, that's exactly how it
feels. Yeah, it's very uncomfortable.
You know what it feels like whenyour boobs are full and you're
breastfeeding? Yeah, but on your ankles, that's
exactly right. That's how it feels.
And so I'm comfortable and I remember feeling very like
embarrassed by it too because again, I'm not wearing normal

(49:23):
shoes. And if I did slip in a normal
shoes, I have pictures of it I can show you.
But like, my feet were just likebusting out at them.
Yeah, it was very uncomfortable.I feel for everyone who goes
through that. Yeah, me too.
It's not fun. We are going to talk about our
birth stories. When I was pregnant, I loved to

(49:43):
listen to birth stories. I know some women do for a while
and then as the time approaches,they don't want to listen to
them anymore. I also know some women that
don't want to know and don't read about it, don't do any kind
of education about it and just let the body do what it does.
Megan and I had two extremely different experiences.
That is the one thing about birth is that everyone's

(50:06):
experience is so different. It's wild that the concept of a
baby coming out of a body can bedone in so many different ways.
So we're going to talk about some positive birth stories and
then a negative birth stories. So, you know, Fast forward.
If you don't want to listen to that, here's your one and only
warning you're going to get about that.
I think you should go first. OK, sure.

(50:26):
So for both of my labor and deliveries, I was induced, one
of which was during COVID. And so that was with Reese that
looked very different than with Brooke just because of all the
protocol that was in place. And I don't, I don't really
remember all the INS and outs honestly from either of them.
But like I said, I was induced for both of them.

(50:47):
And so that meant like going in,having to start the fully bulb I
think is what it's called. And I do recall that, you know,
I went through that and in my experience with that, I know
other people have different experiences.
I just had some mild cramping and then it I think got me to 4
centimeters with Reese. Do you remember were you dilated

(51:08):
prior to your induction? Maybe 1 centimeter, not a lot.
And so I did the Foley ball and I, we went in in the morning and
I was bouncing on the ball and like talking to Colton and I was
like, I know that I'm going to have a fall from grace soon
because right now, like things are fine.
Like I feel OK. And obviously being induced like
they have you on Pitocin. Everyone says that pentosin

(51:31):
contractions are worse than normal ones.
I have no idea because I can't compare.
Earlier in the day they were OK.Later in the day they got pretty
rough. We got through like dinner time
and then I want to say by like 10:00 I was having intense
contractions, 10:00 PM and we went in at like 8:00 AM.

(51:52):
So I don't remember what I was at, but I do know that I was in
some pain. And so I did move forward with
the epidural and I am so grateful that I did.
It definitely took my pain away and I was able to get some
sleep. Like I slept most of the night.
I do remember like a nurse coming in in the early hours and

(52:15):
then I remember going back to sleep.
However, going to be honest, my epidural did not work throughout
duration of that labor and delivery.
I did have to get it re upped and it worked the first time
they re upped it like I had a button to push.
I remember and I would push the button and I would feel the cold

(52:36):
or whatever. So I was like OK, something's
happening and that stopped working.
And so I think that they came back in the, what are they
called, anesthesiologist, they came back in and yeah, it was
not happening anymore. And then I think that I wish
Colton was here for this becauseColton remembers all the
details. He's so good at telling the

(52:57):
story. And I missed so many details.
I don't know why I got sick during the transition.
Happened with Reese just fine, just like the name of the game.
And then my doctor came in and he said, go ahead and do a test
push. And I did it.
And he was like, Oh my God, I have to get dressed.
And he like, I don't know, rushed over to get dressed in

(53:17):
both of my deliveries. I was very fortunate.
It took, I think, like 10 minutes with Reese, 8 minutes
with Brooke. And so I'm very fortunate for
that reason. And yeah, and then that's, I
guess sort of that right after Idelivered Reese, I was in
immense amount of pain. Like we had to take the bed
apart just for me to like get upand walk to the bathroom and

(53:39):
come back. That was terrible.
And going home the next day was kind of rough too.
For whatever reason, Colton and I just forgot that I might not
feel great. And we brought his truck rather
than my small little Nissan Rogue.
So I had to get like a stepping stool to get in and whatever.
Like the days after that, I feltlike it was in like Alice in
Wonderland. I was like holding walls just

(54:01):
like walk down to the bathroom. So I do remember that being
uncomfortable. And then, yeah, that was kind of
it. So it was like, you know, for as
far as the induction goes, I only have two to compare between
that. I feel like it was fine for both
my labor and deliveries. I didn't have a birth plan.
I kind of was of the mindset that things were going to happen
the way that they happened. And if I had a plan, then I had

(54:24):
things that I could be disappointed about.
So I personally didn't go that route.
Yeah. So I was, I don't know that's
what it is, did. Your have the drill work for
Brooke. Yeah.
So with Brooke, I went in at thesame time period, 8:00 AM, and I
was slightly dilated. I was walking the halls.
That's the other thing that's with COVID, no one could come

(54:46):
see you sucked your room. Yeah.
And with Brooke, I was like walking the hall and I was at 4
centimeters. And I was like, yeah, I'm in
pain. Like I'm uncomfortable.
And the nurse that I had at thattime was like, OK, well, you can
get the epidural now or we have a lot of inductions coming in,
but it's going to be a while before they're going to be able
to get to where. And I was like, why wait?

(55:08):
You know what I mean? Bring them on in.
And so they came in for the epidural.
I was more nervous for this epidural than I was the first
one. And both times, I will tell you
that in my case, just give a positive story.
They were a breeze and they feltlike nothing in comparison to
the contractions that I was feeling.

(55:28):
So I don't know. I hope that's the case for
everybody who's listening. And the epidural never wore off.
The epidural was the dream. Other thing is some people feel
fearful that they're going to feel nothing from the waist down
and that feels anxiety inducing for them.
That wasn't the case for me. I could feel like I could move
my feet and like, wiggle my toesand like put my legs up and

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stuff like that. And things were good to go.
With Brooke, we did have like a point where her heart rate was
dropping. And so they were making me do a
bunch of different position changes.
And I remember my nurse and my midwife working so well
together. I don't know, it just I felt
very well supported, which is really nice.

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And yeah, they ended up getting me into a position where Brooke
ended up moving and things were good to go from there.
And when she was delivered, her cord was wrapped around her neck
twice. I think Wow was likely the
reason in which she was having aheart rate drop.
So yeah, that was scary. But they reassured me that

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things were OK. Do you remember how they like
let you know that? Do they tell you as it's as
you're delivering or do they tell you after?
They told me after they told me after they already fixed it,
which I was very grateful for. If they would have told me,
well, if they were problem solving, it would have sent me
through the roof. So yeah, sorry.
Like I'm like not even looking at the camera.

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I'm telling that story. But like I said, I have not
thought about this stuff in forever.
And so like kind of recalling asI'm going through it.
So we were in Oregon when I delivered Reese.
COVID times. No one can come in the room.
We didn't have family out in Oregon, but we did have very
close friends who, you know, were super supportive, like
family to us out there. And we weren't able to see them

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for a while. And that was less than ideal.
Not the way that I would want itto go.
And then with Brooke, it was really nice.
Thank goodness all that stuff was over because Reese and my in
laws were able to come like 45 minutes after I delivered.
I think something like that, it was like really quick, but we
were like a very excited and eager for Reese to get there.
I remember very vividly that after I delivered Reese, it was

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just me, Colton, and the nurse in the room.
The nurse was like going throughher checks or whatever and she
stopped at the foot of the bed and was like, how does it feel
now that your heart is outside of your body?
And I will never forget that. I don't care if that nurse said
that to every single person. That's exactly how I feel about
Reese and Brooke. So just just wonderful.
But different experiences, both positive induction wise.

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That's good. When I was pregnant trying to do
all this, like reading and research and stuff, there's very
few positive induction stories, or they're just not shared as
widely as like the bad ones. Yeah, everybody makes induction
sound terrible, and I think thathearing some positive induction
stories is nice. Yep.

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All right, Molly, take it away. So I guess I'm like battling
with how detailed I want to be. I'm fine being detailed.
Here's the thing. I don't.
Want to come across like yours? You were very matter of fact
about yours and I'm like emotionally charged.
Like they wanted to come across that way.
OK, well, one thing is you couldleave that in so that people
know your your thought process on it.

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And two, you have to remember that yours happened 8 months
ago, mine happened two years agoand five years ago.
So yours is more fresh in your memory and and you have a lot
more detail worthy of remembering.
So if you have more detail, I think that it's totally
reasonable to share the detail if you're comfortable doing so.

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And yeah, it happened 8 months ago.
Yeah, yeah, mine's a little bit more fresh.
OK. So like I said, I was getting
non stress tests twice a week tomonitor her movement because she
was she still was moving less than the average baby at 40

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weeks. So I went in for my weekly test
and she wasn't really moving much during that test.
But that's not abnormal. She did that a lot through the
last trimester. It just happened to be that time
I got the test done, she wasn't moving.
So then I'd have to go get more monitoring done.
However, at this point, I was 40weeks and three days, so I was

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already past my due date. My OB was like, how do you feel
about just getting this baby out?
And she's like, it's not an emergency.
I don't need to take her out right now.
But she didn't look great on themonitor today.
We've been doing this for a longtime.
You're past your due date. Like how do you feel about that?
And I had an idea that was probably going to be offered or

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they were going to schedule an induction that day anyway.
I knew I was ready, but I did have a birth plan.
My birth plan was to do. 100% natural birth in a hospital, go
into labor naturally, labor as long as I possibly could at home
because the hospital's like 3 minutes from my house.
So my plan was to labor literally until I couldn't labor

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anymore at home. And then with the offer of an
induction, which we took, the whole birth plan went out the
windows. So I went in at PM.
It was nice because I had an my OB appointment at 2:00, then I
could come home, gather a bag, tell Taylor to come home from
work, all that stuff, and then we went in.
I remember this day vividly. So I was hooked up to the

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monitors, the same monitors thatI've been hooked up to twice a
week for the last 12 weeks, and they were not super happy with
what they were looking at. They said that her heart rate
was variable, which they reassured me that's not
uncommon, means it's normal and then it goes low and it's normal
and it goes low. But they didn't start my
induction right away because they wanted to monitor her for a

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while. This is going to be an ongoing
battle. For some reason, the monitors
would not pick up my contractions and would not pick
up her heart rate consistently. It would go in and out the whole
time and the whole time. Or you have like the belly
monitors, right, Right. OK.
They said through the whole entire time, if they were just

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looking at the monitor, it didn't say I was contracting at
all through my entire birth. So the doctors would continue to
look at that and be like, if she's not contracting, we have
to do AC section and the nurses are like go in there, look at
her, she's contracting it. Just they wouldn't read for some
weird reason. So anyway, for about 3 hours
they monitored me and then I waswaiting for them to start the

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cytotec to start softening the cervix and they came in and I
was so nervous about this part. I really didn't want this to
happen. But they said because of her
heart rate, if we put the medicine on you and it
dissolves, I can't easily take the medicine off.
So like if her heart rate doesn't respond well to you
dilating and I can't easily takeit off to help her.

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So we have to do the Foley balloon.
And I did not want that because I heard it hurt really bad.
It's a manual way of ripening your cervix, which is how Megan
had it too, it sounds like. So I was just, I was not looking
forward to it, but we put it in and they messed it up the first
time and had to do it again. They like inserted it and

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started to inflate and they saidit just wouldn't inflate.
Yeah, so they had to do it again.
OK. After that, I started having
immediate cramping. Immediately it started and that
was at 8:00 PM at night. And then, I don't know, an hour
later they started the Pitocin and I labored all night.

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It wasn't like, horrible. Like I let Taylor sleep for most
of the night and I labored for awhile.
I didn't sleep at all, but I could do it on my own.
I didn't need Taylor or any of the pain management techniques
that I had brought, Right? Oh, yeah.
Then five, 6:00 in the morning came around and I remember
saying, like, OK, Taylor, I could use your help now.

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So we did lots of, like, pain management stuff.
We went for some walks down the hall.
I remember it being in the middle of the night or like
really early morning because nobody was in the hall at all.
Then around 8:00 AM, they took the balloon out and I was at a
four. So I went from like less than 1

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centimeter to a four. They were very excited about
that. And then around noon they
checked me and I was still at a four.
OK. And by this time, the
contractions were excruciating. I was like they were 30 seconds

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apart. They were lasting for over a
minute each. They were intense and intense.
Yeah. The one thing I did ask, I did
say I do not want anyone to offer me pain meds unless I ask
for them. I said that to every nurse that
came in. I think I had like 6 different
nurses. There was so many.
Like, are there shifts not 12 hours long?

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Why do I have 20,000 nurses? So I do remember saying that to
everybody. However, somebody came in and
asked Are you sure you don't want that?
But she, she looked at me and was like, it will get
exponentially worse. She was like this will get 1000
times worse just so you know. Did you appreciate that or was

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it too blunt? No, I was very mad.
I was like don't tell me what I don't know.
I'm doing so good right now. Like I had been laboring on my
own with as high of pitocin as Ican able to get and a Foley
balloon. And I see what you're saying.
Doing it on my own, great, but don't psych me out.
Like, yeah, sure. So then she left and Taylor and

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I talked about it and I was like, I can't handle it If it
gets that much worse, they want to break my water now, and I'm
only out of four. That means I'd have to be in
exponentially more pain for a longer period of time.
And I wanted to wait as long as I could before they broke my
water. And so I ended up getting the
epidural around 1:00 PM, which to be honest, like I was upset

(01:05:34):
that they offered it to me, but I was very happy to have it.
Next time I give birth, I will 100% get it as early as I'm able
to get it. It made my life so much easier.
I went from A4 to A6 in less than 30 minutes.
And then I went from A6 to A10 in another 30 minutes.
So like I was complete by 2:00 PM.
And then they were like, OK, well, she's still fairly high

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up. She's not descended yet, so
you'll just labor down for a while.
And I remember them saying at some point what you're feeling
is going to change because I wasn't feeling, I could feel my
legs. I can move my legs the whole
time, but I wasn't feeling any contractions at all.
And they're like, it's going to change.
And I was like, like pressure like and like I could, I was

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telling them what I was expecting to feel.
And I was like, because it's happening right now.
Like that's happening is so muchpressure.
Like it was building and building and building.
And I was like, it's happening right now.
And they were like, OK, well, like you're a first time mom and
she's high up. This will take a while.

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We're going to go, we're going to leave.
We'll be back in about 30 minutes to check you this.
Is and I remember it starts to make me mad.
Me too. And I start to panic because I
was like, my body's pushing and I can't make it stop and
nobody's in here and I don't know how quickly this is going
to happen. And then I'd get some relief and
then I'd like it all happened again.

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And I remember the stupid call button had like fallen between
the bed and I, I couldn't get it.
And I was panicking and I was like, Taylor, go get somebody,
go get somebody. And he ran out in the hall and
got somebody and my nurse, the one that I don't you'll hear I
don't like, came in and I was like, it's happening.
I can't stop it. She's coming.

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And she checked me and she was like, she's still pretty high
up. If you really want to, we can do
practice pushes. And I was like, OK, I have to do
something. I can't just sit here.
And so I did 1 push and she was like, OK.
And then she went and put a glove on and she, she said push
again. And Penny came out on the bed.
She didn't even catch her. I was like, you told me to push,

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I pushed and you weren't ready. You told me that this was
nowhere near coming to fruition,that we had some time and then
you weren't ready after you realized you were wrong.
Like. Crazy, crazy.
I was telling you that she's coming right now and then you're
not ready. I'm just was really annoyed with
the whole year of first time. Mom, this is going to take a

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while. Like it doesn't always take a
while. Like you're just so anxious and
like you're being so silly and you don't really know.
It's like, no, I'm paying attention to my body.
Maybe you should pay a little bit more attention to my body.
It's not your job. So the other thing that I want
to say before I get into the rest, because this is just the
beginning, is that I had been soincredibly anxious about birth

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my entire pregnancy, my entire adult life.
I also am incredibly anxious in a hospital situation in the
setting, anything to do with hospitalization.
Every time I had to go to the hospital for any reason, even if
I'm visiting somebody, I'm sweaty, I'm clammy, I don't feel
good. And I talked to my OB about this

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and she said let your nurses know, like, everyone's there to
support you. I told her I was very on board
with a hospital birth. I don't want it any other way.
But I'm nervous and I want people to, you know, know that
if I'm crying or seem neurotic, I'm not.
I'm a very stable person. I just get very uncomfortable
and my discomfort comes out in tears.

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It always has. So anyway, I truly believe that
because I told people I'm anxious, they treated me like I
didn't know what I was talking about and they treated me like I
was overreacting because every time I would say something they
would brush it off, especially when I complained of pain.
And you'll see later, like, you know, needed to be of taken

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seriously. So after I delivered, they did
not put Penny on my chest, whichI was very upset about.
They took her to the warmer like20-30 minutes.
And I don't understand, I was very like frantic the whole
time. Like why is there something
wrong with her? Is there something wrong with

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me? And they weren't telling me
anything. All they did was tell me to calm
down. The whole time they would say
you need to calm down, you need to take deep breaths.
They never said she's fine. They never gave me a real reason
as to why they weren't giving her to me.
And then eventually they wrappedher up and gave her to me.
And I was like, I want to do skin to skin.
I don't want her wrapped up, whatever.
So I did get my hour of skin to skin after I was taken care of

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and after they gave her back to me.
And then it was like a light switched.
So almost exactly at an hour later, I started to feel like
immense pain, like I was all stitched up, everything was
fine. The doctors had left.
And I remember somebody was charting in my room, like a
doctor, a nurse was charting in my room.

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And I said I was holding Penny on my chest.
And I said, Taylor, you have to take her.
I'm like, something's happening,Something's bad is happening.
And they checked and they said, OK, you have some internal
bleeding, but there's not much we do about that.
We'll give you some ibuprofen. And it was this kind of pain
that again, I was panicking. It's not like a, oh, this is

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uncomfortable, but it'll go away.
It's like I'm going to lose my mind if we don't resolve this
pain. It's not that.
It's like pain meds are wearing off and you're starting to feel
like you're starting to feel everything that's happened.
It's like something more is happening than that.
Yeah, I was like, I did 21 hoursof unmedicated labor with

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Pitocin. I know what that felt like.
This is exponentially worse, very much worse than that.
And I was like, I'm probably going to scream if we don't get
something to fix this. It hurts so bad.
And they gave me fentanyl. So they just drugged me and I
like passed out. And then when it would start to

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wear off and I'd wake up, I'd complain of pain again and
they'd give me more. And then I'd pass out and I'd
come to again and I would complain again.
And they never checked my bleeding again.
They just kept giving me meds. And then at some point, I was in
so much pain that I was throwingup.
But then they would give me clotting meds.
After I took the clotting meds, I was like screaming.

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It was loud, it was graphic. It was not pretty.
So I was like, can someone get Taylor to leave?
He doesn't need to be here for all this.
So they sent him and Penny to the postpartum wing and helped
me and then sat me in a wheelchair to wheel me down to
postpartum. Meanwhile, I'm still complaining
of pain, like immense pain. I couldn't sit in the

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wheelchair. It was so painful.
And the nurse got down on my level.
She squatted next to me and I had told her something is wrong,
like this is not normal, I'm worried something's happening.
And she looked at me dead in my eyes and was like, you have a
daughter now. It is not about you, it's about
her. You need to get over it.
And I remember in that moment thinking, I will not speak to

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you again. And my mouth completely shut.
And she asked me questions and Ididn't answer, like questions
about not medical related stuff like small talk.
I did not speak to her. She wheeled me down.
She left me in the wheelchair inthe postpartum room and just
like turned around and left. And I told Taylor, one, I can't
get out of the chair, 2. I can't get in the bed.

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I can't lay down, I can't sit down.
So I walked around for a little bit and then no new nurse was
coming in yet. So I was like, I have to find a
way to get in the bed. So I found a way to lay down.
And Taylor still had Penny this whole time.
And a new nurse walked in and I was like, we haven't been
introduced yet. I have a catheter in from my

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epidural, but I think I'm peeinglike I'm peeing the bed.
Like, can you, can you check? And she lifted up my bed sheets
and she didn't look at me. She didn't look at Taylor.
She just ran into the hall and 20 people came in with her and
they were throwing Ivs. I got 2 new Ivs.
They were doing a lot of stuff. It was chaotic.

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And you suffered unnecessarily for so long.
And got like. Let me think the.
Timeline I had Penny at 2:55, wewere wheeled to postpartum at
six, 6:30, and then I was taken to surgery at 9:00.
So after they realized that it wasn't pee, it was blood and

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they said that, the nurses told me the next day they were like,
you were white as a sheet. You could tell you had lost a
lot of blood because you didn't look how you're supposed to
look. So then the anesthesiologist
came in giving me all the spiel about general anesthesia and the
risks and having me sign waiversand stuff, which later I was

(01:14:39):
like, that's probably not OK. I had so much fentanyl.
I did not remember this. Taylor had to tell me a lot of
this stuff. So then I remember my doctor
coming in in her little scrub cap and she was like kind of
frustrated with the nurses. She's what is taking so long?
Why is the OR not ready? And everybody was kind of like
frantic and, and all of a suddeneverybody was like waiting

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around. And then they wheeled me down to
the OR and I had surgery. And then when I came back up, it
was like midnight. And that was the first time that
Taylor and me were alone and. Could recap really quick backup.
Maybe you don't want to say exactly, but I don't feel like
you explained exactly what was happening in the surgery.

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So I had to ask later. So I guess what happened, what
they told me happened was the pain I was feeling earlier was
internal bleeding, that it wasn't just a simple bruise,
right? But then later when I thought I
was peeing, I had a postpartum hemorrhage, but that was
completely separate than the internal bleeding.

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So they had to go in to fix the internal bleeding and then also
to like deal with the postpartumhemorrhage, which postpartum
hemorrhages aren't super uncommon.
They're emergent situations, butthey do happen.
So my doctor said as long as we're ready for it, because they
said it's most likely going to happen again.
So they said as long as we're ready for it, we can treat it a

(01:16:04):
lot earlier. It wouldn't have been that bad
if it was treated earlier, whichI tried to tell people.
So then when I got back to the room, I was talking to Taylor
you. It was like after midnight.
So he went to bed and I got a night with Penny, which was
wonderful to finally get to holdmy baby and realize like holy
cow, I just had a baby. Be present with her.
Yeah, it was. And it was just us too, because

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Taylor was sleeping. It was wonderful.
The the other thing that was I was drugged out a lot of the
time, so I was kind of understanding what was going on,
but I wasn't as emotionally involved because I was like so
vacant. But Taylor was.
They gave him a brand new newborn, 5 LB baby and told him

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to feed her and then wheeled hiswife out and told that him
because Taylor, they weren't talking to us, right.
So Taylor was like before we I was wheeled out was like, whoa,
whoa, what's going on? Like can can someone talk to me?
And they were like, we're going to do everything we can and
wheeled me. Like they never gave him any
Peace of Mind, no reassurance. And they gave him a bottle of

(01:17:08):
formula and said feed her the baby and we plan to breastfeed.
So we didn't do any research on like formulas or bottle feeding
or like anything. And they didn't come to check on
him, didn't come in to like helphim for two hours.
He just like was thinking that Ihad died or was dying and say
the word until I was done to sayshe's fine, she's out of surgery

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and she's waking up from anesthesia.
They never came to validate him.I felt so bad for him.
Yeah told about it to say the words we're going to do
everything we can and then to give no updates is crazy It's
another shortcoming that hospital to to just call it as
it is another severe shortcomingI you can cut this if you don't

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want it said but I I remember you texting me and saying that
it Taylor was left with this impression of like is something
going to happen to Molly and I'mgoing it's going to be me and
petty yeah moving forward that'shuge to feel that way that
speaks to the lack of communication and I understand
if like you know focuses on you someone's responsibility needs

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to be Penny and Taylor they deserve.
That somebody should have at least said like.
We realized that everything was just a huge blur.
Like, let me explain what had happened.
Somebody should have come and explained it to him.
Yes, undoubtedly. Yeah, I was frustrated for him.
Yeah, it was a wild time. Yeah, you're putting it so
early. Here's the thing in my

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perspective, which is neither here nor there, but there's all
of the intense things that you experience just health wise,
just just post delivery that arecertainly abnormal and very
scary and very intense. And then on top of that, there
is negligence and terrible, terrible patient care in certain

(01:18:56):
instances. They're two, you know, 2, both
horrible, one absolutely infuriating.
Yeah. You said Jenna and I both have
the same comments to make about how you were shortly after,
which is just that we were so surprised at how, like, it's
almost like you were talking about it like you're, you were a

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third party. Like you.
Yeah, exactly like you observed.That's.
How I felt considering your significant fear about labor and
delivery and physical reactions that you have in the hospital
from your anxiety around it to then have that experience.
My other question is will you bereturning to the same hospital

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and OB? No, so I wasn't super enthused
with my OB's during my pregnancyjust because I needed a lot more
support than they could give me.They were very dismissive, very
like short. I never felt like I really got
to know them very well. So I always kind of want to do
OB's, but I was holding out hopethat the nurses are the ones

(01:19:59):
that get you through your birth.And I was holding out hope that
I would have good nurses. So since I had a bad experience
at the hospital too. This is the only hospital that
those doctors work at, so because I want to deliver at a
different hospital, I have to get new obese anyway, which is
fine. I have friends in the area that
use specific people that they love, so I'm just going to use
their obese. Yeah.

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I would assume that was your answer.
Don't suggest this because I don't think that you need any
validation that she was terrible.
I I can almost guarantee that ifyou went to the hospital's
reviews. If this hospital does get
reviews on like their Google listing, I guarantee her name is
mentioned. I've never really looked into it
like so many people are like, you know, you should complain,
you should do something formal so that doesn't happen to other

(01:20:42):
people. But in my mind, that's not my
responsibility. I have to deal with my own stuff
and I don't know, I just don't feel a huge responsibility to
take care of everybody else that's.
OK, yeah, you deserved better. Traumatic for so many reasons.
And if anybody deserves a easy, beautiful, blissful birth, their

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next go around that matches their birth plan to AT it is you
misses Molly Marsh. Why thank you.
Yes, we'll see how the next one goes.
Hopefully it's a little less entertaining.
I said that to Colton today whenyou would text me because Colton
was like, you guys, why don't you just do your pregnancy one

(01:21:27):
or whatever. And I was like, cuz it's going
to be heavy. And our last one wasn't like as
light. So we're going to, you know,
kick the can down there to when we record on Thursday.
If nothing else comes out from Molly's sharing her story,
somebody could make part of a movie subplot exactly what
happened to you. Make it more dramatic.
Entertaining is certainly not the word, but it's got to be

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interesting to listen to becausethis stuff doesn't happen.
It was wild. I mean like, definitely.
No, no, certainly not. No.
The other thing that I forgot about mine, which is funny,
before I delivered, they were like, and my eyes were closed
the entire time. With Reese, I didn't open my
eyes at all, which I know was very weird.
And she was like, do you want toopen your eyes and see?

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And I was like, and she was like, OK, do you want to put
your hand down there and touch? And I was like, and later, like,
these aren't all like back, back-to-back.
Dad, do you want to come down? And I was like, Nope, he's
staying at my shoulder. Yep.
And then they were like, last question, do you want a mirror?
And I said no. No.
That's the last thing I want andthey said I don't want to.

(01:22:30):
See that again? No seeing, no touching.
I was like, no, none of that. I remember when I was about to
push, she told Taylor to grab a leg and I said no, no, no, he's
not. Shoulder support.
Yes, he's looking at my eyes andhe's touching my hair.
Yeah, he's biting. You're doing great.
Yep. That's as far South as he can

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go, and his back is to the action.
OK, so we are going to move on to reviewing the book that Megan
and I both read. We did a fun little social media
thing where we we both wanted toread the third Gilmore by Kelly
Bishop Bishop and we kind of like raced Megan, Full
disclosure, told me she was going to listen to the audio

(01:23:10):
book and I was like, I'm going to read it because I have more
time than Megan. And I think that's a fair thing.
Huh. No, after the first day, the
first night we started at 11 in the morning after at the first
night, she was like, where are you?
And I was like chapter 4. She's like, I'm on Chapter 9.
So I was like, oh, after that, I'm going to start listening to
it now. Then Megan was so nice.

(01:23:32):
She was like, well, I wanted thecompetition, so I slowed down.
Meanwhile I had like 10 minutes left and she was like, oh Dang,
I got to read. Yeah, you will know.
You said you started, you went from reading to listening
because like you had said, you were going to visit Jenna, so
you're going to be in the car. So it doesn't make sense,
especially when I told you that I was so close to the end and I
did slow down because it wasn't lost on me that if I did read

(01:23:55):
it, you would have finished probably the same time that you
did finish. And I would have been like 5
days. I just behind you, I'm sure.
And so I don't know, I just, I figured since I gave myself that
advantage, might as well chill out.
And I had other things going on too, so it was fine.
But you, you ended up texting meand you're like, where are you

(01:24:16):
at? And then you sent me a
screenshot. I said you had 22 minutes left.
And I was like, I don't know when I'm going to listen to this
again because I'm like outside with the girls and like my
intentions being pulled. I said, that was your chance.
And then Colton came outside andI was like, hell yes.
And so I turned it on. And then I, I turned up the
reading speed to like as comfortable as I could go and

(01:24:38):
actually retain it because I waslike, I'm going to have to
answer questions about this. So I went as comfortable as I
could go. I I kept going back to your text
to see when you sent me the thing saying you're 22 minutes
and I looked at your speed. I was like, I've got to be
close. I honestly, genuinely thought
that I was going to win. And I hear a shriek in the

(01:24:58):
background. This is the God's honest truth.
It sounds like I'm lying becauseI had to win this.
I'm competitive, but I can lose gracefully.
I hear a shriek in the backyard that I hear.
I have to go tell mom and Reese walks up to me like this, tears
streaming down her face on her elbows.
I have no idea what she's showing me here.
Obviously they hurt. And then she looks down at her

(01:25:20):
knee and she loses it and she I mean like, you know, good amount
of blood. I sent you a photo just because
I was like, you have to see thisright now in reference to so
she's screaming. I'm carrying her up the stairs
to go clean up her knee and I'm like one second.
I got to get a photo. Mama be here.
I had to do. You had to know that I happened
right then and then so. We were both at like less than

(01:25:42):
10 minutes. Left it was neck and neck like
this is yes, neck and neck. So I get her up there and then
I'm like helping her get it cleaned up or whatever.
And seconds later Brooke starts wailing because she slams her
finger into a drawer. And I was like.
Oh my. Gosh, these kids could.
I could have actually done this because everyone, everyone voted

(01:26:06):
that you were going to win. There was one person who voted
for you. Probably was me on our account,
honestly. Maybe my friend voted for you.
Anyways, I was about to pull it out and then both of my kids had
to mess it up for me. Good news.
The knee is fine, the fingers fine.
They're they're doing fine. That's good.

(01:26:27):
That's good. You did win.
Congratulations. Thank you.
However, next time we do this little thing, next time we
happen to find a book we both want to read, I think that is
why we did it, because we never want to read the same kind of
books and we wanted to read thisone Next time.
It has to be a better book. Like I'm sorry that thing was

(01:26:48):
dry. Yeah, I don't.
Think I'll ever read a memoir again?
I think it ruins memoirs for me.Not all memoirs are like that in
my experience, but this one was a little dry.
I usually do not write memoirs. Well, that's your experience.
I think that the the small snippets of Gilmore Girls stuff
was very entertaining. As somebody who really likes

(01:27:08):
Gilmore Girls, I really enjoyed that.
I made like, I put little notes in my phone, which I can't
access. And again, I forgot that I
recorded on my phone. But like some of the things that
you said about her and Ed's name, right?
I just thought were super sweet.It felt like she was telling.
It felt like Emily Gilmore was reading us a book.
When you listen to the audio book, I highly recommend it on

(01:27:29):
audio. And everything else was fine.
I just don't care about Broadwaypersonally.
No, I didn't know she was so like she was a theatre actress
before or a dancer. And that is 90% of the book.
Like the entire thing is that I did not know anything she was in

(01:27:50):
other than Dirty Dancing and Gilmore Girls.
I knew none of the other shows, so those were not interesting to
me. It was very insightful to hear
that her husband was dying of cancer during a lot of her
traveling, but I just, yeah, I don't know, I was not super
interested. I think the title is misleading

(01:28:11):
because there is one singular chapter out of 15 about Gilmore
Girls and the rest is other things, whereas it's titled
about Gilmore Girls so I would just assumed there would be a
lot more in there. Yeah, it's clickbait.
She clickbaited us. Not clickbait.
I don't know. Pagebait.
Buzzword. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I completely agree with that. Whatever.

(01:28:33):
I thought I read it. You might like, you might not.
If you are going to give it a try, definitely do it on audio.
And do know that, you know, Gilmore Girls content is kind of
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