July 24, 2025 • 32 mins
🎙️ TMIT Teammates #3: Noah Zaltz on Building Family Norms
In this episode of TMIT Teammates, we sit down with our friend Noah Zaltz, a fellow investor, deep thinker, and someone who brings the same intention to family life as he does to his work.
We explore what it means to create a family culture that feels like home, not through rigid rules, but by shaping a sense of “normal”—the daily rhythms, values, and habits that help kids feel safe, grounded, and capable of becoming their best selves.
In this conversation, we cover:
- Why “normal” is a feeling, not a strict set of rules.
- The role of labeling exceptions (treats, adventure days) to maintain family balance.
- How family norms emerge from both our upbringing and conscious new choices.
- Nutrition, sleep, and outdoor time as pillars of a healthy family baseline.
- Potty training and other milestones as opportunities to honor a child’s readiness and agency.
- The importance of having an “in here” family culture as a safe base for exploring the world.
- Why this generation of parents is reframing conversations about family and culture.
TMIT Teammates is about learning from families we admire, trading stories and hacks, and building intentional home lives together.
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Hey everyone. Today on Team Teammates, we're
joined by our friend Noah Zoltz.We met Noah through work.
He's a fellow investor, deep thinker, and one of those people
who doesn't just nod along when you talk about building
something meaningful. He listens.
He asks better questions. And over time, we realized we
weren't just aligned on venture capital, we were aligned on
family too. Noah's thoughtful, steady
presence has made a big impact on us, and we're excited to
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share them with you. Hey Noah, how are you?
Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me guys.
Yeah, thanks for for coming. This is this is great.
It's a funny, it's a funny kind of weird.
I don't even know what the word is to see you on Zoom in this
context, right. We're we're usually gabbing
about something related to an investment, but this is, I
guess, a different kind of investment and the investment in
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the family and the and in familyculture.
So, so thanks for for making some time to, to talk about
this. We'd love to start off, I think,
by just talking about the the big FC family culture.
What is What is family culture mean to you?
Yeah. I mean it's something that we
hadn't thought about in those terms, but we always thought
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about as it relates to, you know, what are we trying to
create here? Like what is it all roll up to?
And I think that for us, it's about defining normal for our
family and for our kids, knowingthat a range of experiences and
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a range of of ways of doing things end up looking normal to
different people. We realize that our kids, you
know, and I say this not totallyseriously, but they'll believe
anything as, as your as their parents, what we do on a
day-to-day basis and how we do it and then how we react to
those things ends up forming their sense of normal.
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And for us, when we think about family culture now in these
terms, we think about what senseof normal we are instilling in
our kids. And yet it's a feeling, right?
And it's so it's a little mushy and it's a little hard to
totally define, but it's the waythat we kind of think about it
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is if, if I like I was asking you guys how your 4th of July
was and Danielle, you said, well, we kind of did it the
Neufeld way. It felt normal to you guys.
It's a feeling, right? And so it's the same thing for
us. And the fact that it is a
feeling, I think it's an important thing because I think
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being so for us anyway, being sorules based and so sort of cut
and dried about what must or must not be done kind of misses
the point for us. At the end of the day, it's
about how we individually feel as part of the group and then
how the group feels at baseline.That's a great answer.
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Feels like you have thought about this a lot and it's weird
that we only started talking about it when we launched a
podcast. I will say I had not thought
about these things so explicitlyuntil you guys asked the
question in advance of this conversation.
And I have to say, even the exercise of answering the
question in my mind has been hugely valuable and really
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interesting for Tara and I to engage on how would we answer
that question? Because it becomes such a a
feeling between you and your partner as your guiding your
family that sometimes you don't say these things out loud.
Yeah, totally make the implicit explicit, my Claire Hughes
Johnson ISM that I think really can be applied to so many areas
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of life, but definitely when it comes to culture conversations
and conversations between husband and wife, mom and dad.
Totally, Yeah. How much of your kind of making
things normal and what is normalfrom your family is a replica
from your family of origins? And how much is kind of charting
new courses? And also I'd ask like how often
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do you immediately see eye to eye you and Tara versus have
kind of more of a rumble type dialogue and finding something
new? So I love those questions
together. For us in particular, yeah,
because there is so much of whatwe are doing that does replicate
some of my upbringing and some of my family of origin.
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And a lot of what we are doing is a little different from her
family of origin. And interestingly, we end up
agreeing pretty quickly about what we want and and the
decisions we want to make, partly because we don't start
from the model. I think we recognize that we've
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both been influenced in different ways.
And by the way, family of origininfluences for both of us are
what to do and also what not to do and taking those things as
given, but but then putting themto the side and starting the
conversation from almost from the first question you asked me,
which is what is this all about?Whatever the particular decision
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is, you know, when we're thinking about how the kids are
going to eat or what schedule we're going to keep or bedtime
or what's important to us in terms of relationships with our
friends and our family, with ourkids, a lot of those kinds of
decisions don't start with the model.
They do start with the objectivefor us.
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Can you give us a recent exampleof something that this started
with the objective? So eating is a really
interesting thing. You know, how you feed your kids
is a really interesting topic for us because I think you guys
position part of the the most important thing scope As for
busy ambitious families. And so nutrition can be
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especially tricky for busy, ambitious families because whole
food, nutritious food, and food that you think will be
supportive of the right energy levels and at the right times of
day is not necessarily fast. Yes, absolutely.
And so when we think about, you know, OK, we have, we have
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breakfast, lunch and dinner. We have two snacks.
How are we going to, how are we going to ensure both of that the
kids are getting what they need,but also that it's not totally
wiping, you know, our, our time to do anything else that we're
spending all our time, you know,food prepping and, and making
sure everything is perfectly organic and all that stuff.
So it's a balance. I don't know if I'm answering
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your question, but I, I think that the, the objective there
being the right nutrition is important for the right energy
and puts you in the right state of mind or not to learn to
engage with your environment. You know too much sugar and you
pop and then you drop. Sure.
I mean, you're preaching to the choir on that one.
We are, we are a low sugar household by nature.
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Yeah, we're a big meat household.
But so I'm curious, So what likewhat have you come up with?
What are some of the experimentsthat you're running or ways that
you figured out to kind of solvethe the problem, if you will?
So I think that we are very explicit about what is a treat
and what is not a treat, and that even if there are certain
weeks that there happens to be more treats, the designation and
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and the label becomes really important for establishing the
normal. Yeah.
So the implication is treats areonce in a while or kind of when
we say so and not a daily thing.Absolutely.
The implication is also that treats are not normal, even if
they happen to be more common this week.
And so it's more the distinguishing of what's normal
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for our family and in the case of treat, what's extra special.
But on other topics, it could bewhat might be more difficult.
There's the exception to the norm, and we find that labeling
the exception, even if the frequency of that exception is
increased for whatever reason, helps maintain that sense of
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what is normal. I like that it's are there any
other examples that come to mindabout labeling what's abnormal
or the the kind of idiosyncraticversus the the salts way?
The salts way, I like that it's almost across the board.
I mean, you know, not to be too simplistic, but at the end of
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the day for us, three big piecesof the baseline of the salts
norm, if you will, are nutrition, sleep and getting
outside, doing something outside.
And so those are our kids have come to expect that there is a
there is sleep hygiene that is we're relatively uncompromising
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on. Same with nutrition, same with
getting outside, except when we can't be, you know what I mean?
And we find that being uncompromising against the grain
or against such a strong headwind actually creates more
tension and stress and and less comfort than labeling something
as different and saying, although it's not normal, this
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is what it is in the sense of nutrition.
It's a treat. So you're to your question
around holidays or around long weekends, bedtime sometimes get
stretched. Maybe you have maybe we're
actually suggesting you skip naptime.
Sure. Yeah.
That that can be difficult. But if we label it as such and
say we know this isn't normal, but and then we can talk about
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what it might look like. And then the following day we
can say we're going back to normal and shoulders drop.
Sure, sure. I really like that.
It's, it sounds to me like stating norms are important, but
stating norms are especially important to differentiate from
when you are outside of the norms.
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So it'll it's like a pressure release valve really.
I'm saying like, yeah, we think naps are important, but there
are some days where it's an adventure day and that's just
not possible today. But guess what?
You will take a nap tomorrow. That's exactly right.
I like. It, it takes the, I say I call
it a pressure release valve because it feels to me like even
when you're talking about it feels like you're taking the
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pressure off yourselves. As you said, when there are
these really strong headwinds, rather than pushing, pushing
harder against the grain, you just kind of let it flow and
name that. It's an exception.
That's right. And I, I love the word that you
use adventure because we, when, when we are doing things that
are sometimes not the norm, we often frame it in that way.
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And for us, what that does is over time, particularly if it's
just not the norm for now. But there's no reason that it,
that it couldn't be over time askids get older or as they become
slightly more flexible in their,in their way of thinking about
the world doing those things. And even if you call them not
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the dorm for now, allow them to sort of stretch their ability to
kind of regulate themselves outside of their median day or
outside their median experience.So over time, you have enough
exceptions to the norm managed as such.
You can look back and they look back and realize actually the
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diversity of experience that I've had if if I was going to
take an average, might not actually be what I think of as
my norm, but it has allowed me to stretch my norm a bit.
And sort of expand a bit. Yeah, kind of like your area of
competence, if you will, like the area of competence widens
because of these norms, but thenthese days that are outliers to
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the norm and then suddenly you have more surface area where you
feel competent. Exactly.
I like it. Cool.
I personally really struggle with being out of routine but I
find labeling really helps. We, we haven't labeled it as a
treat that kind of as explicitlyas you have.
So I think I will steal that. Adventure Day is something that
we do do, which is on Saturday'sMaverick Skips nap and he's the
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only one that's still napping. And so we we do label it as the
adventure day. And he knows that he's not going
to have a nap, but typically it's because we're doing
something fun, like going to theKennedy Space Center.
Right. And we really try to keep that
to just one day a week for everyone's sanity.
And it is. It's harder in the afternoon,
4:00 in the afternoon on the daythat he skips nap isn't really a
fun time for anyone. But hopefully we've had enough
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fun. And oh, by the way, I've learned
speaking about sugar, they get at nap time at noon when
everybody usually goes down for a nap, they get a large piece of
chocolate on nap day because I find that that sugar, it's dark,
dark chocolate, it's relatively blood sugar stabilized sugar,
but still like helps them, the sugar in the caffeine like help
them get through that nap period.
So it's kind of that combination, if you will, of
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like Skipnap plus chocolate thatmakes everybody like super
motivated to for the adventure. I'm going to steal that one
back. I like it.
See, this is what I mean, though.
This is the magic of Team it, right?
Which is like we need to talk about these things because
everybody has these great hacks.You know that we're all kind of
keeping to ourselves, not intentionally, but just because
it's not that. It's not that talked about.
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Yeah. And I, I feel badly we probably
should have introduced your family composition to frame it
for everybody. Can you share a little bit about
that? Yeah, sure.
We have a 2 1/2 year old daughter and an 11 month old son
and a 14 year old dog. I, I mentioned the dog because
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actually as it relates to establishing norms and as it
relates to sort of understandingthe need of other members of the
household, I give a huge amount of credit to our dog as I think
our dog has taken a lot of the brunt of explicit teaching off
of us. You're going to, you're going to
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want me to go into that, say more, say more.
So the dog needs to be fed. The dog eats before we eat.
That's just always been the casefor me.
I always feed the dog before I eat dinner and that's what we do
here. The dog needs to go out for a
walk. Well, that's a great, the dog is
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going to the bathroom. Let's use that as an opportunity
to talk about bathroom needs andour daughter's not potty trained
yet, but we are in the middle ofthat conversation and it's just
a great the dog. I keep on saying the dog, his
name is Jetson. Jetson has been a fantastic, I
would say third parent in that way because he you can't really
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compromise on caring for your dog and the kids recognize that.
And the kids also recognize thatthere is somebody or another
being outside of themselves and even outside of their parents
that needs care and attention. And is part that becomes normal.
Becomes normal to to give your attention and to provide care to
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others. Yeah, I I say you can only get a
dog at 2 points in a family's life before kids or when your
kids are like at least 8 or 9 because I can't do it anywhere
in between. So totally that's that feels
right there. Have does that mean that you and
Tara have been together for for Jetsons old life or?
Jetson and I have been together.Oh wow OK.
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Jetson pre dates everyone in thehousehold and and generally
we're single tapes. I was a single.
Generally he keeps that to himself, but every once in a
while he likes to make it known to Tara.
Listen, I'm going to vie for #2.That's great.
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That's great. Winston is our first born.
We got him six weeks before I got pregnant with Hunter Greg.
Something like that. Wow.
Yeah. So he was our he was our baby
training, if you will. And he's the only one just to
hit on a point you you quickly made.
He's the only one that's been potty trained like intentionally
out of no, I'm serious out of this whole family.
So when you bring up the term potty train, my like, you know,
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dad of three kids that are now all potty trained, quote UN
quote comes to mind because noneof them we didn't do any formal
potty training for them. Really.
No. Nothing.
Or teach them to swim. Or teach them to swim.
Well, and they're all excellent swimmers.
That's incredible because we areright now in the middle of
thinking about potty training and we just finished swim
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lessons. So I mean, I'd love to
understand from you guys. Those are two pretty big things
for a lot of families for. I want to make sure my kids are
safe in the water. Absolutely.
Maverick is not, let's let's be clear.
We've, we've two kids have not. Maverick has not learned how to
swim yet. He's comfortable in the water,
but he has not learned how to swim yet.
But all three of them are potty trained.
Maverick recently potty trained himself like over the past
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couple of months. And we say that because we
never, yeah, we never did. Like we have friends that did
the kind of like underwear off weekend kind of thing.
I don't know, it's like a prettycommon 1.
I don't even know. It just it goes back to our
overall kind of how people learnphilosophy and kind of sense of
responsibility, respect for the individual, if you will.
And just this idea that I don't want to, I don't want to say
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that like to potty trained is not to be respectful because I
think you can certainly do it ina respectful way.
But we, we're not ones to use like rewards for anything
really. So it felt a little bit not
aligned with our values to do anything other than just wait
until they were ready. And I would say the biggest
reward was, are, Are you ready for underwear?
Tell me when you're ready for underwear and I'll buy you
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whatever kind of underwear you want.
That's that's been the extent ofour potty training.
And then there came a time with each child where they said I'm
ready. They came to you.
Yes, they came to us. And so Hunter did it.
By the time she was 3, Jade was closer to 3 1/2.
Maverick was 3 1/2 and so that worked for us because our
schools, the schools that we have, you can go, you don't ever
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have to be potty trained for your, for the school.
You can be 6 years old and not potty trained, it's fine.
So there was no pressure. There was no external pressure
really. And then now Maverick has been
potty trained for a couple months now.
And it's just like making sure every couple hours that I do ask
him like, you know, you have to go to the bathroom before we
leave the house for school or you have to go to the bathroom
before and after nap. Like those are non negotiables
or before bed. But otherwise he just goes
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whenever. You know, we've been, we've been
under the impression until very recently that we are going to do
the, you know, the diaper off weekend for the but it would be
the, if we did that, it would bethe first time we're doing
anything like it in that way that you describe.
And hearing you say this makes me want to totally reconsider.
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It's one of those things that we're not close enough yet to
her readiness that it was it wassomething we were planning, but
it is something that's been floating out there.
Everything else that we do with her, and I say her because he's
only 11 months old, is has been she has told us when she's
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ready. Yeah, she has.
Or at least said I would like todo that if she didn't have the
language for I'm ready for. Right, right.
And I mean, you can certainly ask her, right?
Like I think that with Hunter, we got like a little potty and
we put it next to mine and she would come to the bathroom with
me, right? And just like play with it a
little bit and explore the idea of it, but no pressure, no
pressure, right? Most, I think Maverick started
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pooping in the potty first for along time and then because he
didn't like, you know, poop and then now he's peeing and just
decided that he wanted to start peeing in the potty.
It's I'm a big believer in that one because like you said, like
there's there's no other time inour life that we just kind of
say, OK, today's the weekend that I have time, so I'm going
to take your underwear off. Like that feels violating to to
me, no judgement to anybody, butfor me personally it felt
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violating. Yeah, that's why, that's why I
brought it up, because I feel like it's one of those kind of
analogies that that opens up a more deeper philosophical
conversation. So I want to bring this back to
the concept of normal because this is a good way, this is a
good illustration of, of what I mean and what I don't mean when
I say we, we really think of ourselves as the sort of as, as
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the setters of what is normal. Normal in our house is, like I
said, it's a feeling. And so the feeling that you're
describing preserving by allowing them to indicate when
they're ready. Is much more important to us,
for example, then it is to say, oh, it's normal that when you're
2 1/2 you go you, you're not wearing a diaper for us, Well,
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that's not a feeling that that kind of external sort of look at
what's going on over there motivation for us.
I think first of all, it doesn'tfeel good in the moment, which
is important, but not always themost important.
But I think what's more important is to give, to give
our kids a sense that we care more about their agency than we
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do about some external view of what they should that capital S
should be doing. Understood.
Noah, you keep talking about norms and normalization, which I
think is an incredible topic. Where do you think that this
need for norms comes from? That's a great question for for
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me and for us, 'cause it's something that we've actually
talked about a lot, even in advance of having kids.
We talked about, you know, you talk about like what life do you
want to build together as, as a couple, as a partnership?
And we firmly believe that our family culture and our family
norms emanate from our relationship and the way we
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treat each other and the way we prioritize our relationship.
And you know, so I think in one sense, the fact that focusing
there brought us very close together as an as a unit, it
felt like a natural, you know, continuation from that
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conversation. But you know, taking a deeper
cut at the question, I would sayI grew up in a single parent
household where I give my mom somuch credit.
She held the line for me in a way that I didn't recognize
until much later. I felt like I had a very normal
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childhood. And whenever I heard in school
or, or you know, otherwise, all of the all of the language
around, well, you know, if your parents get divorced, it's not
your fault and all this stuff. I kind of felt like, I felt like
for whatever reason, it didn't apply to me because I kind of
felt like I'm not at a disadvantage here.
I'm there's no, there's nothing abnormal about my life.
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And I think over time, recognizing that, you know, I
didn't get, I didn't get specialtreatment one way or the other
in our household. I would say we, me and my
brother didn't get special treatment one way or the other.
I came to appreciate so much that that sense of normal that I
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could learn to, I could expect, I could have real expectations
of what days could look like, what I would, what I could
expect from my mom, what I couldexpect from my responsibilities
around the house. That it, I think it allowed me
to participate in the world in adifferent way than had I not had
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that sense of norm. One of the ways that we talked
about it in our house today is there's out there and there's in
here. And so the norms allow you to
have an in here, right? Whatever happens out there, you
know, it could, it could be great, it could be terrible, it
could feel good, it could feel bad.
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But then you come in the door and you're in here now, right?
And that distinction is, I think, preserved by the concept
of norm. That's beautifully.
Said thank you. We talk about our family as a
base camp and that life is aboutclimbing our own mountains, but
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that we want to maintain a base camp where everyone feels safe,
sufficiently nurtured and nourished and prepared, right.
Like given their their tools andtheir supplies and their
frameworks to climb their own mountains.
I love that I'm going to introduce that language.
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Cool. Yeah.
And teamed is a base camp too, right?
This is where this is where we can all share.
And collectively, when we were first starting out, like the
thing that I wrote on the visionboard is like a a recipe
collection, if you will, where you know how you used to.
Like, I don't know, if you're inyour elementary school, you
would have like, I would send inmy grandma's meatball recipes
and Tina would send in her mom'sDonna's carrot cake recipe, and
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then you'd get a book printed, right?
We did, if we called it HeritageDay.
There you go. I want to create Heritage Day
for family culture. Right.
I love that. I think it's, I think it's, I
think it's really important to do.
You know, I think you guys talk about this in one of your first
episodes, but it just resonated with me so much that your
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priorities are what you do, not what you say.
And so when it feels like the ways to connect with other
people are not always about whatis your priority, there's a
disconnect that it seems like you guys are you're going after
with this, with this community. Yeah, what shows up for me in
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this conversation about base camp about out there versus in
here is in here to parents can feel lonely especially pre team
it. I mean that's a lot of what
we're doing here. We're not just creating Heritage
Day. We're looking for the
participants, right? But are there other folks,
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family members, anybody out there that you've been able to
lean on or that you've been ableto have conversations like this
one outside of Tara and your kids?
You know, I think if I had one superpower, I think it's my
ability to take learnings from places that don't feel very
fertile for learning. And so I, I have lots of
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conversations with people that may or may not be about
parenting, but then I may be in a, a family culture or a
parenting mindset when I'm having those conversations.
And so I'm selectively calling what I'm absorbing about, about,
you know, what's being said to me to, to just take in the
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learnings can be positive, can be negative about, about family
culture. You know, I think this is
probably true for the two of youas well.
But professionally, I have been lucky to be the young guy in the
room quite a for quite a while now.
And the one thing that has stuckwith me in all of those
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experiences across different jobs and different bosses and
managers and just being the young person in the room, is a
lot of people are very open about what they wish they had
done. And at the same time, a lot of
people inadvertently will guide you in the same direction they
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went. It's.
A great notice. And so when I use the word
called before, what I mean is you kind of have to take the
wisdom and leave the. Direction.
OK, so. I love that, Noah.
Thank you. That's great.
I think you, I think you 2 have a lot in common from us.
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Me yeah, yeah. From from your arc is in your
early 20s, Danielle and your arcand your.
Arc yeah being. The youngest in the room, the
youngest in the room had a high growth organization with, but
that's, that's really a great observation.
Now to take us back to why this is showing up in the zeitgeist,
it's I think you're a trend spotter and, and you're, you're
very good with with your words. So what do you think is
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important about this moment withour, let's call it with the
millennial generation and Gen. Z as we're having families where
it's not just having these conversations in private, It's
about bringing them into the forefront and making them, I
would say part of part of the, the human experience, the shared
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human experience versus just like something that I mean,
we've all, we've all been havingfamilies for, for forever.
And there there's not a podcast insight, there's not ATV show
insight about about how to do things proactively.
Everything is about reaction. It's about what happens when,
what happens when you're, oh, your kids throwing a fit, you
know, in Walmart, Like how do you stop them?
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And how do you correct that behavior?
As opposed to like how how do you make sure that before you
walk through those doors, they know what's showing up into a
store means as a family and whatbeing out there in the world
together means? Like why is that only showing up
now? It's such a great question, and
I think my answer will maybe reflect my little slice of the
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world here. But I think that I think that a
lot of millennial parents are faced with a bit of a, a
dichotomy where, you know, you may not have had the best
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upbringing, but there are there.It was a great time to grow up.
It was kind of like, you know, there were ketchup was purple
and you know, like everything was kind of wacky and and
focused on kids and Nickelodeon and it was very you can be what
you want to be almost like a playground.
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The whole world felt like a playground as a kid.
And I think there are a lot of things that a lot of
externalities that resulted of that world that we are now left
holding the bag, right. What's going on with the
environment, what's going on with inequality in our country
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and around the world? What's going on with, you know,
injustice, what's going on with a lot of different things.
And we're sort of faced with this.
I'm grateful for and, and I had I had a lot of opportunities
growing up. We're faced with wanting to
replicate so much of a good thatwe had and talk about the world
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as a place of opportunity and abundance and all of those
words. But on the other side,
recognizing that if we did the same things that our parents did
or if the world does does continues to do the same things,
some of that of the responsibility of these
externalities now falls on us. And so some of it is about, I
think how we feel and the kinds of, you know, it to a certain
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degree, some selfish motivationsaround what kind of family you
want to surround yourself with. But some of it, certainly the
way we think about it is we wantto take the good from the
culture of opportunity and abundance, but we can't continue
to do it unabated. And we have to create
individuals and and foster in individuals the ability to see
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more and do more, but not just for themselves.
Wow. That make that aligns.
Totally, totally aligns. Totally.
It kind of reminds me of the mission of our children's
elementary school is to create liberated learners who will
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create a more just and healthierplanet.
And a lot of what really how it had us gravitate there is
because we know that they will learn the domain knowledge that
they need and the subject matterexpertise.
But this idea of being stewards first in their community, but
then globally, and that they cantake action on big problems as
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as little people and as they grow is really what motivates us
to continue to lean into that community, right?
So we're with you. Absolutely.
Cool. I think that's a wrap, guys.
This is great. No, thank you so, so very much.
Have to have you joining us. Have to have you back I think.
Love to come back and I will do my best to convince Tara to come
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back too. We would love to have her.
Absolutely. That sounds great.
All right. Thanks everybody for joining us
on another episode of Teammate Teammates.
Until next time.
Hey everyone. Today on Team Teammates, we're
joined by our friend Noah Zoltz.We met Noah through work.
He's a fellow investor, deep thinker, and one of those people
who doesn't just nod along when you talk about building
something meaningful. He listens.
He asks better questions. And over time, we realized we
weren't just aligned on venture capital, we were aligned on
family too. Noah's thoughtful, steady
presence has made a big impact on us, and we're excited to
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share them with you. Hey Noah, how are you?
Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me guys.
Yeah, thanks for for coming. This is this is great.
It's a funny, it's a funny kind of weird.
I don't even know what the word is to see you on Zoom in this
context, right. We're we're usually gabbing
about something related to an investment, but this is, I
guess, a different kind of investment and the investment in
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the family and the and in familyculture.
So, so thanks for for making some time to, to talk about
this. We'd love to start off, I think,
by just talking about the the big FC family culture.
What is What is family culture mean to you?
Yeah. I mean it's something that we
hadn't thought about in those terms, but we always thought
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about as it relates to, you know, what are we trying to
create here? Like what is it all roll up to?
And I think that for us, it's about defining normal for our
family and for our kids, knowingthat a range of experiences and
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a range of of ways of doing things end up looking normal to
different people. We realize that our kids, you
know, and I say this not totallyseriously, but they'll believe
anything as, as your as their parents, what we do on a
day-to-day basis and how we do it and then how we react to
those things ends up forming their sense of normal.
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And for us, when we think about family culture now in these
terms, we think about what senseof normal we are instilling in
our kids. And yet it's a feeling, right?
And it's so it's a little mushy and it's a little hard to
totally define, but it's the waythat we kind of think about it
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is if, if I like I was asking you guys how your 4th of July
was and Danielle, you said, well, we kind of did it the
Neufeld way. It felt normal to you guys.
It's a feeling, right? And so it's the same thing for
us. And the fact that it is a
feeling, I think it's an important thing because I think
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being so for us anyway, being sorules based and so sort of cut
and dried about what must or must not be done kind of misses
the point for us. At the end of the day, it's
about how we individually feel as part of the group and then
how the group feels at baseline.That's a great answer.
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Feels like you have thought about this a lot and it's weird
that we only started talking about it when we launched a
podcast. I will say I had not thought
about these things so explicitlyuntil you guys asked the
question in advance of this conversation.
And I have to say, even the exercise of answering the
question in my mind has been hugely valuable and really
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interesting for Tara and I to engage on how would we answer
that question? Because it becomes such a a
feeling between you and your partner as your guiding your
family that sometimes you don't say these things out loud.
Yeah, totally make the implicit explicit, my Claire Hughes
Johnson ISM that I think really can be applied to so many areas
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of life, but definitely when it comes to culture conversations
and conversations between husband and wife, mom and dad.
Totally, Yeah. How much of your kind of making
things normal and what is normalfrom your family is a replica
from your family of origins? And how much is kind of charting
new courses? And also I'd ask like how often
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do you immediately see eye to eye you and Tara versus have
kind of more of a rumble type dialogue and finding something
new? So I love those questions
together. For us in particular, yeah,
because there is so much of whatwe are doing that does replicate
some of my upbringing and some of my family of origin.
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And a lot of what we are doing is a little different from her
family of origin. And interestingly, we end up
agreeing pretty quickly about what we want and and the
decisions we want to make, partly because we don't start
from the model. I think we recognize that we've
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both been influenced in different ways.
And by the way, family of origininfluences for both of us are
what to do and also what not to do and taking those things as
given, but but then putting themto the side and starting the
conversation from almost from the first question you asked me,
which is what is this all about?Whatever the particular decision
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is, you know, when we're thinking about how the kids are
going to eat or what schedule we're going to keep or bedtime
or what's important to us in terms of relationships with our
friends and our family, with ourkids, a lot of those kinds of
decisions don't start with the model.
They do start with the objectivefor us.
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Can you give us a recent exampleof something that this started
with the objective? So eating is a really
interesting thing. You know, how you feed your kids
is a really interesting topic for us because I think you guys
position part of the the most important thing scope As for
busy ambitious families. And so nutrition can be
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especially tricky for busy, ambitious families because whole
food, nutritious food, and food that you think will be
supportive of the right energy levels and at the right times of
day is not necessarily fast. Yes, absolutely.
And so when we think about, you know, OK, we have, we have
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breakfast, lunch and dinner. We have two snacks.
How are we going to, how are we going to ensure both of that the
kids are getting what they need,but also that it's not totally
wiping, you know, our, our time to do anything else that we're
spending all our time, you know,food prepping and, and making
sure everything is perfectly organic and all that stuff.
So it's a balance. I don't know if I'm answering
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your question, but I, I think that the, the objective there
being the right nutrition is important for the right energy
and puts you in the right state of mind or not to learn to
engage with your environment. You know too much sugar and you
pop and then you drop. Sure.
I mean, you're preaching to the choir on that one.
We are, we are a low sugar household by nature.
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Yeah, we're a big meat household.
But so I'm curious, So what likewhat have you come up with?
What are some of the experimentsthat you're running or ways that
you figured out to kind of solvethe the problem, if you will?
So I think that we are very explicit about what is a treat
and what is not a treat, and that even if there are certain
weeks that there happens to be more treats, the designation and
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and the label becomes really important for establishing the
normal. Yeah.
So the implication is treats areonce in a while or kind of when
we say so and not a daily thing.Absolutely.
The implication is also that treats are not normal, even if
they happen to be more common this week.
And so it's more the distinguishing of what's normal
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for our family and in the case of treat, what's extra special.
But on other topics, it could bewhat might be more difficult.
There's the exception to the norm, and we find that labeling
the exception, even if the frequency of that exception is
increased for whatever reason, helps maintain that sense of
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what is normal. I like that it's are there any
other examples that come to mindabout labeling what's abnormal
or the the kind of idiosyncraticversus the the salts way?
The salts way, I like that it's almost across the board.
I mean, you know, not to be too simplistic, but at the end of
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the day for us, three big piecesof the baseline of the salts
norm, if you will, are nutrition, sleep and getting
outside, doing something outside.
And so those are our kids have come to expect that there is a
there is sleep hygiene that is we're relatively uncompromising
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on. Same with nutrition, same with
getting outside, except when we can't be, you know what I mean?
And we find that being uncompromising against the grain
or against such a strong headwind actually creates more
tension and stress and and less comfort than labeling something
as different and saying, although it's not normal, this
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is what it is in the sense of nutrition.
It's a treat. So you're to your question
around holidays or around long weekends, bedtime sometimes get
stretched. Maybe you have maybe we're
actually suggesting you skip naptime.
Sure. Yeah.
That that can be difficult. But if we label it as such and
say we know this isn't normal, but and then we can talk about
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what it might look like. And then the following day we
can say we're going back to normal and shoulders drop.
Sure, sure. I really like that.
It's, it sounds to me like stating norms are important, but
stating norms are especially important to differentiate from
when you are outside of the norms.
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So it'll it's like a pressure release valve really.
I'm saying like, yeah, we think naps are important, but there
are some days where it's an adventure day and that's just
not possible today. But guess what?
You will take a nap tomorrow. That's exactly right.
I like. It, it takes the, I say I call
it a pressure release valve because it feels to me like even
when you're talking about it feels like you're taking the
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pressure off yourselves. As you said, when there are
these really strong headwinds, rather than pushing, pushing
harder against the grain, you just kind of let it flow and
name that. It's an exception.
That's right. And I, I love the word that you
use adventure because we, when, when we are doing things that
are sometimes not the norm, we often frame it in that way.
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And for us, what that does is over time, particularly if it's
just not the norm for now. But there's no reason that it,
that it couldn't be over time askids get older or as they become
slightly more flexible in their,in their way of thinking about
the world doing those things. And even if you call them not
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the dorm for now, allow them to sort of stretch their ability to
kind of regulate themselves outside of their median day or
outside their median experience.So over time, you have enough
exceptions to the norm managed as such.
You can look back and they look back and realize actually the
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diversity of experience that I've had if if I was going to
take an average, might not actually be what I think of as
my norm, but it has allowed me to stretch my norm a bit.
And sort of expand a bit. Yeah, kind of like your area of
competence, if you will, like the area of competence widens
because of these norms, but thenthese days that are outliers to
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the norm and then suddenly you have more surface area where you
feel competent. Exactly.
I like it. Cool.
I personally really struggle with being out of routine but I
find labeling really helps. We, we haven't labeled it as a
treat that kind of as explicitlyas you have.
So I think I will steal that. Adventure Day is something that
we do do, which is on Saturday'sMaverick Skips nap and he's the
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only one that's still napping. And so we we do label it as the
adventure day. And he knows that he's not going
to have a nap, but typically it's because we're doing
something fun, like going to theKennedy Space Center.
Right. And we really try to keep that
to just one day a week for everyone's sanity.
And it is. It's harder in the afternoon,
4:00 in the afternoon on the daythat he skips nap isn't really a
fun time for anyone. But hopefully we've had enough
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fun. And oh, by the way, I've learned
speaking about sugar, they get at nap time at noon when
everybody usually goes down for a nap, they get a large piece of
chocolate on nap day because I find that that sugar, it's dark,
dark chocolate, it's relatively blood sugar stabilized sugar,
but still like helps them, the sugar in the caffeine like help
them get through that nap period.
So it's kind of that combination, if you will, of
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like Skipnap plus chocolate thatmakes everybody like super
motivated to for the adventure. I'm going to steal that one
back. I like it.
See, this is what I mean, though.
This is the magic of Team it, right?
Which is like we need to talk about these things because
everybody has these great hacks.You know that we're all kind of
keeping to ourselves, not intentionally, but just because
it's not that. It's not that talked about.
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Yeah. And I, I feel badly we probably
should have introduced your family composition to frame it
for everybody. Can you share a little bit about
that? Yeah, sure.
We have a 2 1/2 year old daughter and an 11 month old son
and a 14 year old dog. I, I mentioned the dog because
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actually as it relates to establishing norms and as it
relates to sort of understandingthe need of other members of the
household, I give a huge amount of credit to our dog as I think
our dog has taken a lot of the brunt of explicit teaching off
of us. You're going to, you're going to
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want me to go into that, say more, say more.
So the dog needs to be fed. The dog eats before we eat.
That's just always been the casefor me.
I always feed the dog before I eat dinner and that's what we do
here. The dog needs to go out for a
walk. Well, that's a great, the dog is
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going to the bathroom. Let's use that as an opportunity
to talk about bathroom needs andour daughter's not potty trained
yet, but we are in the middle ofthat conversation and it's just
a great the dog. I keep on saying the dog, his
name is Jetson. Jetson has been a fantastic, I
would say third parent in that way because he you can't really
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compromise on caring for your dog and the kids recognize that.
And the kids also recognize thatthere is somebody or another
being outside of themselves and even outside of their parents
that needs care and attention. And is part that becomes normal.
Becomes normal to to give your attention and to provide care to
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others. Yeah, I I say you can only get a
dog at 2 points in a family's life before kids or when your
kids are like at least 8 or 9 because I can't do it anywhere
in between. So totally that's that feels
right there. Have does that mean that you and
Tara have been together for for Jetsons old life or?
Jetson and I have been together.Oh wow OK.
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Jetson pre dates everyone in thehousehold and and generally
we're single tapes. I was a single.
Generally he keeps that to himself, but every once in a
while he likes to make it known to Tara.
Listen, I'm going to vie for #2.That's great.
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That's great. Winston is our first born.
We got him six weeks before I got pregnant with Hunter Greg.
Something like that. Wow.
Yeah. So he was our he was our baby
training, if you will. And he's the only one just to
hit on a point you you quickly made.
He's the only one that's been potty trained like intentionally
out of no, I'm serious out of this whole family.
So when you bring up the term potty train, my like, you know,
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dad of three kids that are now all potty trained, quote UN
quote comes to mind because noneof them we didn't do any formal
potty training for them. Really.
No. Nothing.
Or teach them to swim. Or teach them to swim.
Well, and they're all excellent swimmers.
That's incredible because we areright now in the middle of
thinking about potty training and we just finished swim
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lessons. So I mean, I'd love to
understand from you guys. Those are two pretty big things
for a lot of families for. I want to make sure my kids are
safe in the water. Absolutely.
Maverick is not, let's let's be clear.
We've, we've two kids have not. Maverick has not learned how to
swim yet. He's comfortable in the water,
but he has not learned how to swim yet.
But all three of them are potty trained.
Maverick recently potty trained himself like over the past
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couple of months. And we say that because we
never, yeah, we never did. Like we have friends that did
the kind of like underwear off weekend kind of thing.
I don't know, it's like a prettycommon 1.
I don't even know. It just it goes back to our
overall kind of how people learnphilosophy and kind of sense of
responsibility, respect for the individual, if you will.
And just this idea that I don't want to, I don't want to say
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that like to potty trained is not to be respectful because I
think you can certainly do it ina respectful way.
But we, we're not ones to use like rewards for anything
really. So it felt a little bit not
aligned with our values to do anything other than just wait
until they were ready. And I would say the biggest
reward was, are, Are you ready for underwear?
Tell me when you're ready for underwear and I'll buy you
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whatever kind of underwear you want.
That's that's been the extent ofour potty training.
And then there came a time with each child where they said I'm
ready. They came to you.
Yes, they came to us. And so Hunter did it.
By the time she was 3, Jade was closer to 3 1/2.
Maverick was 3 1/2 and so that worked for us because our
schools, the schools that we have, you can go, you don't ever
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have to be potty trained for your, for the school.
You can be 6 years old and not potty trained, it's fine.
So there was no pressure. There was no external pressure
really. And then now Maverick has been
potty trained for a couple months now.
And it's just like making sure every couple hours that I do ask
him like, you know, you have to go to the bathroom before we
leave the house for school or you have to go to the bathroom
before and after nap. Like those are non negotiables
or before bed. But otherwise he just goes
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whenever. You know, we've been, we've been
under the impression until very recently that we are going to do
the, you know, the diaper off weekend for the but it would be
the, if we did that, it would bethe first time we're doing
anything like it in that way that you describe.
And hearing you say this makes me want to totally reconsider.
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It's one of those things that we're not close enough yet to
her readiness that it was it wassomething we were planning, but
it is something that's been floating out there.
Everything else that we do with her, and I say her because he's
only 11 months old, is has been she has told us when she's
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ready. Yeah, she has.
Or at least said I would like todo that if she didn't have the
language for I'm ready for. Right, right.
And I mean, you can certainly ask her, right?
Like I think that with Hunter, we got like a little potty and
we put it next to mine and she would come to the bathroom with
me, right? And just like play with it a
little bit and explore the idea of it, but no pressure, no
pressure, right? Most, I think Maverick started
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pooping in the potty first for along time and then because he
didn't like, you know, poop and then now he's peeing and just
decided that he wanted to start peeing in the potty.
It's I'm a big believer in that one because like you said, like
there's there's no other time inour life that we just kind of
say, OK, today's the weekend that I have time, so I'm going
to take your underwear off. Like that feels violating to to
me, no judgement to anybody, butfor me personally it felt
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violating. Yeah, that's why, that's why I
brought it up, because I feel like it's one of those kind of
analogies that that opens up a more deeper philosophical
conversation. So I want to bring this back to
the concept of normal because this is a good way, this is a
good illustration of, of what I mean and what I don't mean when
I say we, we really think of ourselves as the sort of as, as
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the setters of what is normal. Normal in our house is, like I
said, it's a feeling. And so the feeling that you're
describing preserving by allowing them to indicate when
they're ready. Is much more important to us,
for example, then it is to say, oh, it's normal that when you're
2 1/2 you go you, you're not wearing a diaper for us, Well,
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that's not a feeling that that kind of external sort of look at
what's going on over there motivation for us.
I think first of all, it doesn'tfeel good in the moment, which
is important, but not always themost important.
But I think what's more important is to give, to give
our kids a sense that we care more about their agency than we
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do about some external view of what they should that capital S
should be doing. Understood.
Noah, you keep talking about norms and normalization, which I
think is an incredible topic. Where do you think that this
need for norms comes from? That's a great question for for
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me and for us, 'cause it's something that we've actually
talked about a lot, even in advance of having kids.
We talked about, you know, you talk about like what life do you
want to build together as, as a couple, as a partnership?
And we firmly believe that our family culture and our family
norms emanate from our relationship and the way we
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treat each other and the way we prioritize our relationship.
And you know, so I think in one sense, the fact that focusing
there brought us very close together as an as a unit, it
felt like a natural, you know, continuation from that
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conversation. But you know, taking a deeper
cut at the question, I would sayI grew up in a single parent
household where I give my mom somuch credit.
She held the line for me in a way that I didn't recognize
until much later. I felt like I had a very normal
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childhood. And whenever I heard in school
or, or you know, otherwise, all of the all of the language
around, well, you know, if your parents get divorced, it's not
your fault and all this stuff. I kind of felt like, I felt like
for whatever reason, it didn't apply to me because I kind of
felt like I'm not at a disadvantage here.
I'm there's no, there's nothing abnormal about my life.
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And I think over time, recognizing that, you know, I
didn't get, I didn't get specialtreatment one way or the other
in our household. I would say we, me and my
brother didn't get special treatment one way or the other.
I came to appreciate so much that that sense of normal that I
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could learn to, I could expect, I could have real expectations
of what days could look like, what I would, what I could
expect from my mom, what I couldexpect from my responsibilities
around the house. That it, I think it allowed me
to participate in the world in adifferent way than had I not had
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that sense of norm. One of the ways that we talked
about it in our house today is there's out there and there's in
here. And so the norms allow you to
have an in here, right? Whatever happens out there, you
know, it could, it could be great, it could be terrible, it
could feel good, it could feel bad.
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But then you come in the door and you're in here now, right?
And that distinction is, I think, preserved by the concept
of norm. That's beautifully.
Said thank you. We talk about our family as a
base camp and that life is aboutclimbing our own mountains, but
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that we want to maintain a base camp where everyone feels safe,
sufficiently nurtured and nourished and prepared, right.
Like given their their tools andtheir supplies and their
frameworks to climb their own mountains.
I love that I'm going to introduce that language.
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Cool. Yeah.
And teamed is a base camp too, right?
This is where this is where we can all share.
And collectively, when we were first starting out, like the
thing that I wrote on the visionboard is like a a recipe
collection, if you will, where you know how you used to.
Like, I don't know, if you're inyour elementary school, you
would have like, I would send inmy grandma's meatball recipes
and Tina would send in her mom'sDonna's carrot cake recipe, and
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then you'd get a book printed, right?
We did, if we called it HeritageDay.
There you go. I want to create Heritage Day
for family culture. Right.
I love that. I think it's, I think it's, I
think it's really important to do.
You know, I think you guys talk about this in one of your first
episodes, but it just resonated with me so much that your
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priorities are what you do, not what you say.
And so when it feels like the ways to connect with other
people are not always about whatis your priority, there's a
disconnect that it seems like you guys are you're going after
with this, with this community. Yeah, what shows up for me in
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this conversation about base camp about out there versus in
here is in here to parents can feel lonely especially pre team
it. I mean that's a lot of what
we're doing here. We're not just creating Heritage
Day. We're looking for the
participants, right? But are there other folks,
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family members, anybody out there that you've been able to
lean on or that you've been ableto have conversations like this
one outside of Tara and your kids?
You know, I think if I had one superpower, I think it's my
ability to take learnings from places that don't feel very
fertile for learning. And so I, I have lots of
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conversations with people that may or may not be about
parenting, but then I may be in a, a family culture or a
parenting mindset when I'm having those conversations.
And so I'm selectively calling what I'm absorbing about, about,
you know, what's being said to me to, to just take in the
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learnings can be positive, can be negative about, about family
culture. You know, I think this is
probably true for the two of youas well.
But professionally, I have been lucky to be the young guy in the
room quite a for quite a while now.
And the one thing that has stuckwith me in all of those
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experiences across different jobs and different bosses and
managers and just being the young person in the room, is a
lot of people are very open about what they wish they had
done. And at the same time, a lot of
people inadvertently will guide you in the same direction they
(27:18):
went. It's.
A great notice. And so when I use the word
called before, what I mean is you kind of have to take the
wisdom and leave the. Direction.
OK, so. I love that, Noah.
Thank you. That's great.
I think you, I think you 2 have a lot in common from us.
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Me yeah, yeah. From from your arc is in your
early 20s, Danielle and your arcand your.
Arc yeah being. The youngest in the room, the
youngest in the room had a high growth organization with, but
that's, that's really a great observation.
Now to take us back to why this is showing up in the zeitgeist,
it's I think you're a trend spotter and, and you're, you're
very good with with your words. So what do you think is
(28:00):
important about this moment withour, let's call it with the
millennial generation and Gen. Z as we're having families where
it's not just having these conversations in private, It's
about bringing them into the forefront and making them, I
would say part of part of the, the human experience, the shared
(28:21):
human experience versus just like something that I mean,
we've all, we've all been havingfamilies for, for forever.
And there there's not a podcast insight, there's not ATV show
insight about about how to do things proactively.
Everything is about reaction. It's about what happens when,
what happens when you're, oh, your kids throwing a fit, you
know, in Walmart, Like how do you stop them?
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And how do you correct that behavior?
As opposed to like how how do you make sure that before you
walk through those doors, they know what's showing up into a
store means as a family and whatbeing out there in the world
together means? Like why is that only showing up
now? It's such a great question, and
I think my answer will maybe reflect my little slice of the
(29:04):
world here. But I think that I think that a
lot of millennial parents are faced with a bit of a, a
dichotomy where, you know, you may not have had the best
(29:24):
upbringing, but there are there.It was a great time to grow up.
It was kind of like, you know, there were ketchup was purple
and you know, like everything was kind of wacky and and
focused on kids and Nickelodeon and it was very you can be what
you want to be almost like a playground.
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The whole world felt like a playground as a kid.
And I think there are a lot of things that a lot of
externalities that resulted of that world that we are now left
holding the bag, right. What's going on with the
environment, what's going on with inequality in our country
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and around the world? What's going on with, you know,
injustice, what's going on with a lot of different things.
And we're sort of faced with this.
I'm grateful for and, and I had I had a lot of opportunities
growing up. We're faced with wanting to
replicate so much of a good thatwe had and talk about the world
(30:33):
as a place of opportunity and abundance and all of those
words. But on the other side,
recognizing that if we did the same things that our parents did
or if the world does does continues to do the same things,
some of that of the responsibility of these
externalities now falls on us. And so some of it is about, I
think how we feel and the kinds of, you know, it to a certain
(30:56):
degree, some selfish motivationsaround what kind of family you
want to surround yourself with. But some of it, certainly the
way we think about it is we wantto take the good from the
culture of opportunity and abundance, but we can't continue
to do it unabated. And we have to create
individuals and and foster in individuals the ability to see
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more and do more, but not just for themselves.
Wow. That make that aligns.
Totally, totally aligns. Totally.
It kind of reminds me of the mission of our children's
elementary school is to create liberated learners who will
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create a more just and healthierplanet.
And a lot of what really how it had us gravitate there is
because we know that they will learn the domain knowledge that
they need and the subject matterexpertise.
But this idea of being stewards first in their community, but
then globally, and that they cantake action on big problems as
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as little people and as they grow is really what motivates us
to continue to lean into that community, right?
So we're with you. Absolutely.
Cool. I think that's a wrap, guys.
This is great. No, thank you so, so very much.
Have to have you joining us. Have to have you back I think.
Love to come back and I will do my best to convince Tara to come
(32:31):
back too. We would love to have her.
Absolutely. That sounds great.
All right. Thanks everybody for joining us
on another episode of Teammate Teammates.
Until next time.
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