Are you a mom juggling business, family, and trying to optimize and prioritize your own health and wellbeing? If you are like many of the women I know, you have already doing so many of the right things and feel like it's not working anymore or it's not doing enough. Join me and my guest Erin Trier as we talk and deep dive into all things health, wellness, hormones, and burnout.
How does our health need to evolve with our goals and stages of life? How can we honor the cycles and seasons of what we need? In a world that tells us to do and have it all, Erin emphasizes the significance of individual needs and fluctuating expectations.
Explore the dynamic world of women's health as we discuss the concept of "inside out health," which encourages women to understand their unique physiology and hormonal cycles. With Erin's guidance and the Empower Method, learn how to track cycles, recognize hormonal fluctuations, and build hormone-supportive habits. This episode highlights the importance of balancing the physical, mental, emotional, relational, and spiritual aspects of health, and how embracing imperfect balance can nurture overall well-being. Discover how aligning fitness and nutrition with hormonal cycles can enhance energy, mood, and productivity.
In a world that often pressures women to have it all, Erin emphasizes the significance of understanding personal capacity and recognizing life's natural ebb and flow. As we navigate perimenopause and other transitions, we discuss the necessity for stress-reducing practices and the importance of tuning into personal needs. Erin's insights remind us that fulfillment and balance come from honoring our unique journeys, allowing for rest and rejuvenation, and building a supportive foundation for long-term happiness and health. Join us for a conversation that empowers women to prioritize what truly matters and find grace in life's seasons.
About Erin:
Erin Trier is an expert women's wellness and empowerment coach revolutionizing the way moms prioritize their wellness and self-care. Specializing in women’s health, Erin focuses on helping overwhelmed mothers simplify the health process and get intentional with their nutrition, fitness, lifestyle, mindset and tuning into their unique bio-individuality.
With a Masters in Social Work and certifications that include NASM-CPT, Pn1 Nutrition and SYNC for Women’s Health, Erin brings over a decade of expertise to her practice. Alongside her professional education, Erin has successfully built a personal wellness business, generating over six figures in revenue while fulfilling her role as a devoted mother of 4.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
I'm Becca, a somatic healingpractitioner and a holistic life
coach for moms, and thispodcast is for you.
You can expect honestconversations and incredible
guests that speak to health,healing and growth in every area
of our lives.
This isn't just strategy forwhat we do.
It's support for who we are.
I believe we can be wildlyambitious while still holding
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all of our soft and hardhumanity as holy.
I love combining deep innerhealing with strategic systems
and no-nonsense talk about whatthis season is really like.
So grab whatever weird healthbeverage you're currently into
and let's get into it.
Welcome to today's episode ofthe Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
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Today, I have an incredibleguest with me and we are going
to be talking about hormonehealth and just health and
wellness, especially when itcomes to longevity and what it
means for us as individuals, andI'm just so excited for this
conversation.
So, Erin, will you introduceyourself to my audience?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I sure will.
Rebecca, thank you so much forhaving me today.
I feel so grateful to connectwith you and for the opportunity
to just share my heart, sharemy story, talk a little bit
about my passion for health andwellness and how I serve inside
the women's health spacespecifically.
So a little bit about me.
My name is Erin Trier.
I'm a mom of four.
I'm a women's health coach anda podcaster.
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I'm also a medical mom and Ihave a really deep passion for
serving people on their healthand wellness journey.
I actually am someone whostarted in the health and
wellness space and working inthe health and wellness space
and more of a business modelthat was focused on one size
fits all strategies and here'sthe cookie cutter messaging and
here's the quick fix mentalityand that served me for a portion
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of my life until it didn't andI had this really profound shift
happen for me.
That kind of led me down thisroad of totally uncovering
different levels of educationand knowledge and certifications
on how I wanted to grow myexpertise on how to really
support women when it comes totheir longevity wellness and how
do you really shift into notonly lifestyle habits but also
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tuning into kind of your insideout symptoms and understanding
how your health evolves overtime.
And, in a nutshell, I learnedthe hard way how what I was once
doing was not going to serve mefor the longevity of my life.
And so that's kind of where myheart sits today, with wanting
to talk to women, wanting toconnect with women on our
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authentic stories and therealness of how health has felt
and essentially talk about howour health has evolved and what
do we need to do together tolearn and grow through new
levels of understanding, habitsand lifestyle and so much more
that really serves us for longterm.
So that's really a little bitabout me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, that's so good.
One of the things you weretalking about that I heard is
like these different seasons ofhealth and like how it changed,
because I was under theassumption that once I just
became an adult, I would justlike have things figured out and
then I just do that till I die.
Turns out for the positive andthe like really hard for me as
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someone who wants to have a planand then just keep executing.
Everything shifts at differentseasons and we were talking
before we started recordingabout like that, before we
started recording about likethat, that season of having
babies and kind of that.
Like that pregnancy andpostpartum season where we're
really thinking about likefertility especially.
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I think a lot of women becomealive to their own individual
health when it's when someoneelse is dependent on it for
better or worse.
Like it does awaken new levelsof like oh, what am I feeding my
body?
How do I work out and in a, notjust how skinny, how fit do I
look, it's like.
Oh, how do I feel?
I'm curious your journey as amom and just like from your
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health, what like the differentseasons have been and what, what
made you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
shift.
What made me shift?
That's such a great question.
So, as I said, I'm a mom offour and every single one of my
postpartum journeys wasdrastically different, so some
of them were easier than others.
Some of them were really hardphysically, some of them were
really hard mentally, and so Ireally got a glimpse into
different layers of how I had toget honest about taking care of
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my wellness as each postpartumjourney happened.
But then also, like you said,as I was evolving through
different seasons and as I hadmore kids and as we built our
family, you know I had differentlevels of things I was managing
.
I had more than one kid andthen I was also trying to
continue out how to figure outbuilding into my passion more
and continuing to serve insidethe wellness space, and so I was
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managing these different levelsof being an entrepreneur, but
also watching my health shift asI went through different
postpartum seasons and as I gotolder.
So for me, it really was thisawakening, like you said, about
trying to understand what do Ineed to shift in my day-to-day
that really serves my inside outhealth.
My fourth baby after my fourthbaby he was basically a COVID
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baby.
He was born at the end of 2019.
And at the beginning of 2020, Iremember the world shutting down
and I remember feeling reallyheavy mental health specific
hurdles.
I remember feeling likedebilitated in my day to day.
I remember having so littleenergy.
I remember that, like all thehealthy habits quote unquote I
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was leaning on like exercise andtrying to get good sleep and
trying to fuel my body well withenergizing foods and things
like that.
Like nothing was working,nothing was adding up for me and
that was really my first bigglimpse into my health is
changing Like this is adifferent season, not only
because the world was kind ofweird and there was a lot
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happening outside of our controlin the larger society we were
in, but it was also in my ownjourney and in our family and it
was just this profound shiftwhere I realized like I had to
go deeper.
It was no longer about likehere's the exercise program I
can just follow that comes in abox or in a plan that I can
blindly just follow along with.
No longer can I like exercise,these extreme types of nutrition
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strategies or cutting out foodgroups or doing things that I
thought were getting me to whereI wanted to go in the past,
like none of it was reallyhelping me the same, and, like I
said, before we even startedrecording today, I had a season
where all of that worked fine,like I just followed the
calendars, blindly, did someextreme nutrition strategies.
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You know, I kind of was justdoing what I always knew how to
do because it worked and it mademe feel good and it made me
kind of quote unquote get mybody back or whatever the
messaging was or whatever thegoal was in that season.
But, like I said, my fourthbaby just rocked my world and it
totally changed my perspectiveon health for my longevity,
because the mental and emotionalcomponent felt so debilitating
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to manage.
And so in 2020, into 2021 andbeyond, is when I started to
really figure out how can I getmore education around this idea
of learning about inside outhealth and wellness for my
longevity, and how do I get intounderstanding how to nurture my
health in a hormone supportiveway and what does that really
truly look like when it comes tonot only day-to-day habits but
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also in the capacity ofnurturing my own bio-individual
physiology.
And that's the biggest thingI've learned on my own personal
journey after my fourth baby isthat each of us are wildly
individual.
We're all made up so uniquely,and with that in mind, we have
to really figure out how do wetailor our day-to-day habits.
How do we tailorday habits?
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How do we tailor our lifestyle?
How do we tailor what we'releaning on most in a way that
really feels good to us?
Not necessarily what's beingmarketed in the wellness space,
not necessarily what's beingsaid to be the thing that you
need in order to be successfulin health.
It's the reverse.
How are we empowering ourselvesas women to understand how to
learn about what's hormonesupportive for our longevity,
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but then adopting it into ourlifestyle and figuring out what
really works for us?
And so that, for me, was themost transformative season,
because it forced me to learnway more than what I was doing.
I was doing a lot ofsurface-level type health
strategies.
I was blindly following theplans rather than learning what
is my physiology need and whatfeels good based on my
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uniqueness.
And so that's really theprofound shift that I went
through.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, something you just said resonated so deeply in
me.
I think there's an early partof this journey in my experience
where it was like I just wantedand needed someone to tell me
what to do.
Yeah, and that worked for awhile and then I realized like I
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can know what to do, I canfigure out what to do and I can
learn how to trust my body.
And I think it's wild that welive in a culture that is so raw
, raw women's empowerment andyet we still have this overhaul
system of healthcare, especiallywhere it's like women have
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never been taught how to trustand listen to the most basic
instinct of am I hungry?
Am I full?
How does this food make me feel?
Am I emotional eating or am Ieating because I'm hungry?
We're just, we're outsourcingall of our information and
knowledge to give me the plan,give me, give me the 10 steps
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that will, that will give me thehealth and the wellbeing and
the energy and the capacity thatI want.
And it's like I I get why wewant that.
I get, we want those quick,easy fixes.
But the reality is is whenthose don't work, we blame
ourselves Like we're the problem, when we can't be, when we
can't be consistent anymore, andI've seen that, that I've seen
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myself go through those cyclesso many times of trying to
follow the plan and then, whenthe plan stops working, I think
there's something broken in me,versus I'm in a different season
and I need something differentand this plan doesn't work
anymore.
And so, helping women tounderstand and feel in their
bodies is this working for me?
Is it giving what I need?
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And you even mentioned like youwere in the season where you're
doing all of the right things,you were going through the
motions and yet it wasn't enough, it wasn't adding up.
And I know I think of my ownjourney and especially, I've
been in a season again where I'mlooking into dialing in my
health of what's been working,has been working, and I know I'm
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about to be in a new seasonwhere I want even more energy
and focus and clarity, and Iknow that there's going to have
to be some changes in the waythat I'm eating or moving my
body or taking care of myself inIf I want to give more and do
more.
And I refuse to do that on theback of my burnout or my body's
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stress or cortisol or on theback of the end of my marriage
or my parenting falling out.
I have to invest more in me,like I am not a machine.
I can't just keep producing andnever looking at what feeds me,
what gives me energy, andthat's not like you said, it's
not just physiological, it'smental, emotional, spiritual,
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but all of these things.
You're a holistic person and ifwe're trying to separate health
as just in your body and we'renot talking about all of the
different facets of your health,something is going to be missed
.
And the thing missed is youlike you as a whole holistic
person.
So I'm curious, you're usingthe phrase inside out health and
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I'm curious like, what doesthat mean to you?
Like, what does inside outhealth for a woman look like and
feel like?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
For me, that is first and foremost teaching women how
to understand their uniquephysiology.
So I, in my coaching program, Ihave a method that I coach
women through.
It's called the empower method,and each step is more or less
us peeling back the onion on howdo you really start to
understand what your physiologyneeds?
And part of that is starting tolearn how to track your cycle
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or be in tune with your cycle.
That is a huge piece ofknowledge, and you touched on
this that women don't reallyhave education around.
I don't know about you, but Ididn't learn anything when I was
14, 15, and I was in healthclass in middle school.
I learned here are the waysthat your body's going to change
.
You're physically going to seechanges, you're going to
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eventually get a period and hereare the ways you can get
pregnant or not get pregnant,and that was really the extent.
It was nothing deeper dive on.
Here's what happens with yourhormones and here's what happens
when your hormones dive towardsthe end of the month and how
that can affect how you feelmentally and emotionally.
And here's how this specificpiece to your physiology can
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affect your overall well-being.
This is knowledge I literallyhave not learned until the past
four or five years, and it'sphenomenal to me to really
unpack it, especially as a momof girls, because I wish I knew
now, like knew then what I knownow.
Because if I knew then what Iknow now, I feel like my entire
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health journey or like chasingall of these arbitrary goals
that really didn't serve me.
It would have just been atotally different experience
because I would have had a muchbetter glimpse of what is my
physiology actually doing.
As women, we are physicallydifferent every single day
because of our hormonalfluctuations, and when we have
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that knowledge we can giveourselves more grace.
We can understand like okay, Iget why my energy is in the tank
right now, because I'mliterally almost about to start
my next cycle and all of myhormones are starting to get
into the gutter, like they'redepleting, they are falling at
the end of my cycle.
And as you start to gain thisknowledge again, it gives you
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more of that deeperunderstanding of your uniqueness
.
And so in my empower method westart with something called
embracing mind and body literacyand we learn about how do you
track your cycle and if you'renot cycling, how do you start to
tune into the energy of themoon.
That's a really significantthing for women.
We are lunar beings, which Iknow sounds a little nuts, and
even for me I was like I don'tknow about this, like I'm trying
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to really understand, like whatall this means.
But the more I research and themore I learn on my own journey,
the more I'm uncovering howpowerful this is.
And so that's like really wherewe start.
We start to figure out, likepaying attention to your cycle,
simple things like actuallytracking it, actually
understanding your symptoms,actually understanding your
energy, and then, as you startto learn that, starting to
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figure out how do you, in thisvery imperfect way, start to
balance out where you're pouringinto different buckets of your
health, alongside what yourphysiology is doing.
So that's kind of.
The second step of my program isthis mastering the art of
imperfect balance and figuringout like here are the different
facets of our health.
Like you mentioned, rebecca, wedon't just have the physical
bucket, we have mental andemotional health, we have
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relational health and what'shappening with our connections
around us.
We have spiritual well-being,emotional well-being and, above
all, mental health.
And so it's figuring out how dowe slowly identify our needs
inside of these different facetsand imperfectly figure out
these different areas we need tonurture in order to help
ourselves really start to feelbetter inside of our physiology.
And then, over time, we startto build into what are hormone
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supportive habits and how do wefigure out what we want to focus
on day to day.
And then how do we buildsustainable routines alongside
that.
So my program goes deeper diveinto all of these facets, but
above all, we start with what'syour unique physiology doing and
how can we start to help eachof us learn the power of really
getting in touch with ourhormones, our energy, our mood,
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and really how we can adapt thatinto maximizing how we feel
energy wise in our day to daylife.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I, I'm so glad.
I love hearing that you starthere, because I'm just like.
There's so many women we wantto jump into the fixing it.
We want to jump into, like,solving the problem, and I think
what happens is we startsolving for the wrong problem
and we try to solve the problemin the same way that the problem
was created in the first place.
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Because there's a lack ofawareness, there's a lack of
where am I?
Where am I and what's going onwith my health?
What's going on internally?
Because I don't know if youfound this, but so many women
are hypervigilant withthemselves and they have a lot
of awareness around what they'redoing and what they're
producing and how they'reshowing up to their career and
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motherhood and to what otherpeople want and need from them.
But there's, a lot of times, alack of connection to how is
this all feeling?
How is my experience of myhealth and my sleep and my sex
drive and my hunger and myenergy and my emotional ability,
which you know?
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Those two things are so inter.
You know your biology, yourphysiology and your emotional
health and wellness.
You know you're not just thisfloating mind.
Your mind is a part of yourbody and I'm so, like so many
women.
We're in an age where, like,it's getting more common for
women to understand their cycles, but I think I'm you know, so
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many of my clients and mycolleagues and my friends are
very aware of their cycles thatI forget that it's actually
really not common knowledgeanymore.
Yeah, or yet I should still say.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And it's been so cool to teach my daughter.
It's like I didn't just saylike here's what's going to
happen in a period.
It was like here is your entiremenstrual cycle and here's how
we track it.
And hey, have you checked intoyour app lately of like how
you're feeling and if yourhormones could be impacted.
When I tell you, when I learnedthe information about the
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different cycles specificallyfor me, with luteal, I had PMDD
and I had no idea that the wholereason my mental and emotional
health was droppingsignificantly was PMDD.
It was my hormones.
And yet I thought I was broken.
I thought I was effed up,especially because most people,
when they would talk about theircycles, it was, oh, my period's
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so bad.
And yet I was over here.
Like as soon as I startbleeding, or 24 hours before I
start bleeding, I can tell youI'm about to start bleeding,
because I feel like myself.
It's like a light switch goeson and I'm like I'm me again.
I feel like me again and it'sso powerful for me to be able to
have that information of whatmy body's actually doing,
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because that empowered me to beable to understand what my
hormones needed.
No-transcript quote.
Unquote.
I'm heavier than I was yearsago.
But I look at, I no longer haveany disordered eating, like it
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doesn't take willpower, I havemore energy, I have more clarity
, I have a better sex drive Likeall of these things in my body
feel so good now because I wasable to understand what my body
wanted and needed, what actuallymade it healthy, and I started
focusing on this, like long-termhealth and wellbeing, not just
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quote, unquote how I look inthese jeans or fitting back into
those jeans.
And I'm someone who's beenpretty onto diet culture BS from
a pretty early stage inmotherhood.
And yet I was still driving, Iwas still chasing that carrot
Only in sneakier ways.
I think diet culture just becamehealth culture and then kind of
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rebranded itself.
But I want to come back to thishormone piece, because you said
something before we startedrecording of how consistent
you've been able to be and I'mcurious if you can speak to that
, because I think so many womenare terrified of the up and down
cycles, of honoring the factthat you don't have the same
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energy or capacity through theentire month or season.
Because, at least for me, Ihave found that when I honor my
capacity as a piece of myconsistency, like even right now
in my business, I'm having toslow down.
I don't want to slow downMentally, logically, like my
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ambition does not want to slowdown, but I am keenly aware of
my body and my soul and likethere's something happening in
me that if I keep pushing atthis pace I will burn out and
that's what's going to kill myconsistency.
So I wonder if you can speak tothe four different phases of
our cycle, just for people whoare, if that's new to them.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, that is such a great question and something
that I've also experienced, so Ididn't even really touch on
this.
But total burnout was also apart of my big story and one of
the reasons why I knew thatthere had to be a better way,
like there had to be a level ofeducation and knowledge that I
did not understand, because Iwas burning the candle at both
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ends.
I was a mom of four, I was anentrepreneur, I was a podcaster,
I was trying to be a presentwife, I was trying to volunteer
in my community.
I was trying to literally do itall, and I was stressed out to
the max and completely unawareof what was actually happening
with my body every single day.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But you were succeeding it sounds like you
were doing it all on the outsideright.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, on the outside See, that's the thing is like we
think we're succeeding quoteunquote but when we don't really
address, how is our day-to-dayfeeling?
And are we really taking amoment to redefine what success
even means?
We're not actually hitting themark, like we're missing it.
And that's another thing that Ihad to go through.
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Like I feel like I've been ableto grow because I've gone
through it, I hit major burnout.
I thought I was succeeding, buteverything felt terrible In my
day-to-day.
I felt depleted and low onenergy and stressed to the max.
Outwardly I was sort of puttingthe pieces together, but inward
, on that inside-out healthpiece I talk about, I was a mess
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.
I was a mess.
And so, like I talked aboutinside my coaching program with
this idea of the empower method,one of the things that I teach
women inside of the piece aboutprioritizing hormone supportive
habits is how do we understandwhat habits serve our physiology
in different phases of ourcycle?
Right, so we obviously have ourbleed, our cycle, and then we
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go into follicular phase.
That's when our estrogen startsto rise and we start to get
more energy, we start to feelmore energized, we start to feel
more social, et cetera.
Then we get into that ovulationphase which is kind of right
around the middle.
Typically, if you have atypical 28 day cycle, it's right
around the middle.
Then we move into luteal orluteal People say it differently
and that's more of our estrogenstarts to drop, our
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progesterone starts to rise andwe kind of get into this dance
of hormones which can lead toeither calming effects or more
stress and irritability effects.
It depends on how your hormonesare actually balanced and
optimized, and what typicallyhappens, especially in
perimenopause, is the ratiobetween estrogen and
progesterone becomes really outof balance and that can lead to
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all kinds of symptoms, like youexpressed, pmdd that's a huge
one for women, and what oftendoesn't happen is the link
between hormonal imbalance orthe ratio of hormones not being
really optimized and all ofthese mental and emotional
symptoms that you can't makesense of.
That's very, very common forwomen.
And so then, once we get intolate luteal and into our next
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cycle, our hormones start tobottom out and we feel different
kinds of energy, right.
So for me, I'm really helpingwomen get educated about what
actually serves you in theseseasons or in these different
phases.
So for like days one and two,for example, of your cycle.
You should always be resting,like your hormones are bottomed
out.
You should be resting andpaying attention to the energy
that you feel there as you getinto follicular.
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That's a great time to start tobuild in more strength training
, build in more socialization,build in more great projects.
It's a time for creativity,things like that Ovulation.
You're kind of still in thatrealm of follicular.
Sometimes women have drop-offsin their hormones that can kind
of dip energy or dip mood.
I know I've had that experience.
But again, every single day ofour cycle we feel a little bit
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different because our physiologyis truly different every single
day.
So that's why it's valuable tostart to track and understand
what are you actually feelingevery day?
When are the days when you feelawesome energy?
When are the days that you feelreally low and kind of
pinpointing that against whereyou are to see if it makes sense
alongside where your hormonesare potentially fluctuating.
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And then, after you get overovulation and into luteal phase,
that's a time to get into morerestorative.
You can like little bursts ofHIIT training and things like
that.
On the fitness side, you knowyou're always focusing on
different levels of nourishingfoods and whole food nutrition
pretty much throughout yourwhole cycle.
I mean, there's a lot ofresearch around how you can
strategically fuel at differentphases, but I like to focus a
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lot on, like what just feelsgood, right, how are we focusing
most on what feels good to you?
And ebbing and flowing in thisvery imperfect, fluid way, but
luteal is more restorative,right, and starting to slow down
and honoring that.
And then, as you get into yournext cycle, it's really slowing
down and giving yourselfpermission to rest.
And I never did any of that foryears and years and years, until
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like the last four or fiveyears, like I said, and I always
wondered, like why did I alwaysfeel like I was kind of hitting
a brick wall?
I was going against?
I felt like I was kind of likegoing against the grain somehow,
like I was just continuallypowering through and powering
through and somehow it juststarted not to add up and it
really led me to this place ofsignificant burnout, significant
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stress to the max.
My adrenals were totally taxedand in the in the like, totally
in the shitter, and I had toreally rebuild myself in a
pretty significant way byslowing down, completely,
backing off of working out andhaving to heal, very
intentionally because I wasn'tpaying attention.
And you know, the more I gointo this in my own personal
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journey, but the more I walkalongside my clients, I'm
learning how significant thiscan be for women.
When you start to understandyour unique energy and you start
to understand how you reallyfeel day to day, the biggest
thing is you can start tomaximize your effort and your
energy, but you also can giveyourself grace.
Like we talked about, itchanges the mental and emotional
soundtracks that so often wecan get into.
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You spoke about kind of beatingyourself up and getting into
that headspace of feeling likeI'm broken or I can't do this or
why am I not able to powerthrough or why am I not able to
get all of this done.
But the truth is we're notmeant to, we're not supposed to
be in that headspace or be inthat energy every single day.
And I have found personallythat the more I really start to
work with my physiology, so tospeak, the better I show up in
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my day-to-day life, mostimportantly for myself and then
outwardly for my family and forthe things I'm managing and
beyond.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So hopefully that kind of gave you a snapshot into
just some of the things womenpay attention to so good, and I
think what so many women need tohear is that, when you're
honoring these phases, I'vebecome more productive, but not
at the sake of everything else Icherish, like presence, and
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like my body knows how to restnow, because I'm not just, like
you know, I used to feel like Iwas pushing the gas and the
brakes at the same time.
I was like my nervous systemand emotional health was just so
out of whack and here I wastrying to heal trauma when I was
like creating new trauma.
Essentially in my physiology oflike I look back to like
seasons long, long ago where,like I was spending two hours in
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the gym, like an hour and ahalf in the gym, almost every
single day through my wholecycle, and when I was on my
period, I would literally bedrinking pre-workout all day as
if it was just like juice to tryto get myself through, and I
crashed pretty hard and my bodyrevolted, like in pretty strong
ways and it took a long time torestore back, just to get me
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back to normal one.
But also, like now I look atmyself and I'm like I am.
I am more sensitive to andaware of, like those small,
subtle shifts of what I need.
And what's really cool is, whenyou honor those rests, you
enjoy the work cycles more,because it doesn't feel the way
that I described this to womenand this applies to like health,
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but this is also just the waythey run their lives of.
I love driving 75 on theinterstate with my windows down,
blaring music in the summertime.
That feels great.
But if my car is going 75 in aschool zone and I have a toddler
in the summertime, that feelsgreat.
But if my car is going 75 in aschool zone and I have a toddler
in the back screaming that 75miles an hour, that feels
terrible.
That feels terrifying.
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And it's like we need to beable to access the gas and the
brakes in our car.
We need to be able tointentionally choose and have
agency of what is working for meand when.
And a very simple example is youknow, when I'm in my luteal,
I've realized I'm more hungry, Ineed more food, I need more
fats and, for me at least, Icrave more carbs and so like I
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need more of that in order tofeel good, especially with how
sensitive I am to like the PMDDstuff, if I want to feel good.
Sensitive I am to like the PMDDstuff.
If I want to feel good, I haveto slow down, I have to honor
those needs.
And you know what?
My life is not perfect.
I don't have this ability tojust cancel everything that week
that I'm luteal, I'm stillworking, I'm still mothering
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Like my kids don't just leave mealone right.
But there's things.
There's small little shiftsthat I can make in the margins.
I can bring a heat pad, I canbring hot tea to the call, I can
slow down and make sure I'mgetting my meals.
I can make easy meal prep thatweek.
There's small little thingsthat I can do, even though
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there's some things that I couldchange them.
But I'm not going to.
I'm still going to show up tomy life and my motherhood and my
business.
You can still show upconsistently.
You just honor your cycle andyou start honoring that inside
out health that you were talkingabout.
I'm curious if you can touch onperimenopause.
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I feel like this is a new.
It's not a new topic, but it'sanother one of those that like
it's getting more talked about,which I think is so good about,
like what's changing in ushormonally and how does that
shift how we show up to ourhealth.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Such a great question and something I am learning
about more and more every singleday.
In a nutshell, perimenopause iskind of termed second puberty.
So what's essentially happeningis our body is starting to
prepare to not cycle anymore and, as I kind of spoke about when
I was speaking through, you knowhow do you ebb and flow your
lifestyle alongside differentphases of your cycle and how do
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you really think about what yourhormones are doing, especially
like the ratio between estrogenand progesterone, right?
So what happens often inperimenopause with women we all
go through it and we'llexperience it in some way.
It's a hundred percent going tohappen to all of us.
It's just a matter of what areour symptoms going to be, what
are the things that we're goingto essentially go through?
But what happens is ourhormones.
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They just don't do their uniquedance as calculated as they
once did, right?
So I am not a hormone healthexpert and I can't necessarily
dive into exactly what ourhormones do and when and how
they all work together, but I doknow, like what essentially
starts to happen is they startto ebb and flow a lot more
irregularly than they once were,and so that is what leads to
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all kinds of unexplainedsymptoms.
You know, for me personallygoing through perimenopause, I
had uncovered through testingand working with knowledgeable
practitioners and some of thepeople I partner with inside my
practice, through testing, likewhat was actually happening with
my sex hormones specifically,and I learned that I had really
low progesterone and really lowtestosterone and that was
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leading to potential symptomslike really intense irritability
and rage, really low mood,really high anxiety, like my
progesterone was so low the backhalf of my cycle my anxiety
started to feel debilitating,and so the biggest thing that
women can start to understandwhen it comes to this topic of
perimenopause is symptoms.
Right, that is really how youstart to identify.
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Are you potentially in thisseason of your hormones getting
into this place of fluctuatingmore and potentially becoming
imbalanced because they're notin that perfect synergy of the
ratio that they once were inwhen we were maybe having a
perfect 28 day cycle or in thatseason of you know a calculated
period every month, and I knowthat's not the story for all
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women, but most often, if we'rein that typical 28-day cycle,
our hormones are essentiallydoing what they're supposed to
do and in perimenopause, as westart to taper off into this
season of not having a cycle atall anymore by going through
menopause.
Our hormones just kind offluctuate all over the place and
I kind of want to speak on thistoo, rebecca, because I know we
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talked about this too is likethis concept of stress and this
is one of the most profoundthings that I've learned in my
own life, but also as I coachwomen in kind of the 35 to 45
year old range, essentially whatthat means when our hormones
are fluctuating, they're in astressed out state, right Like
that is causing more stressinside our body.
And so when you hear peopletalking about well, here are the
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lifestyle things you shouldfocus on inside of your wellness
journey when you're in thisseason, most often it has to be
strategic and it has to belooked through in the sense of
how do we diminish stress, howdo we diminish adding even more
stress to a body that isstarting to get into this
hormonal fluctuation season?
And the thing is like so oftenwomen lean on habits or
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lifestyle that actually ends upadding more stress.
Like for me, I was doing cardioall the time.
I was going to all theseintense bootcamp classes, I was
doing all these HIIT workouts.
At the end of the day.
That's taxing on the body,that's adding more stress.
Or I was intermittent fastingfor a really extended time, or I
was cutting out carbs oncertain days.
That's adding more stress toour physiology.
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And so what we need to beunderstanding as women,
especially in this season, as weget into this second puberty,
our hormones are fluctuating.
It's not in that perfectsynergy as it maybe once was.
How are we trying tostrategically think about
lifestyle and minimize the addedstress that we're putting on
ourselves?
And that's so incrediblyimportant because if we don't,
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it will lead us into even moresymptoms, even more fatigue,
even more irritability, evenmore potential burnout.
It just adds to the pile, ifthat makes sense.
Burnout it just adds to thepile if that makes sense.
And so for me, it's just beenreally interesting to learn how
our physiology changes on a verydeep level in this season and
why we need to be payingattention to not only things
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like targeted testing and reallyunderstanding what your body's
doing, but how do you match yourlifestyle to also make sure
you're nurturing your body well?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
All of that was so good and I'm so.
The concept of second pubertyI'm still just like sitting here
in that concept because I'veworked with women and I have a
lot of friends who are in thatseason of perimenopause where
they're starting to have some ofthe like symptom, like they're
starting to go hmm, is thiswhat's happening?
And thinking of it as asecondary puberty is interesting
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because you know, I'm not ahealth coach and I do talk I
don't, we do talk aboutphysiological wellbeing and like
habits and stuff like that andfood and sleep and those things
do come up because, again, it'sholistic.
But I'm so, I'm so curiousabout that because you know,
when I think of a teenager goingthrough adolescence, I'm
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thinking they're becomingsomething new physiologically,
women are becoming something newat this season in their life.
And I think of women aftermenopause and I'm like damn,
like they don't give a fuck.
And I'm like damn, like theydon't give a fuck, like in the
best way possible, like there isthis and I just I can't help
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but wonder, like if mothernature like knows what she's
doing.
But we have this life that isnot meant for nature.
We have this life where we'resupposed to button up and do the
same thing that we always did.
We're supposed to fall in line,we're supposed to keep working
and living and parenting in thesame way, and I think there's
something happening in ourculture where we're going like
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wait, maybe nature knows what'sup.
Maybe there's something to notjust being in this era where we
and know and not getting into,like the systems part too much.
I want to pull myself back oflike.
I'm just curious if this seasonfor you has like taught you
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something new about yourself andlike this new trust, or even
this new like where what I'mgetting at is it seems like it's
another season where we losecontrol of what we thought we
had control of and somethingthat we thought we had to have
is stripped away from us and wehave to learn how to be with our
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wildness.
We have to learn how to be withour rawness, because we can't,
it's not enough to just keepgoing.
I don't know if that resonateswith you, but I'm just curious
at that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, it totally resonates and I think that's
really important to just kind ofembrace and speak about,
because so often you talkedabout this at the beginning of
our conversation was we kind offeel like, once we get into this
season of being an adult, likewe should just have it all
figured out and we all thethings should fall in line and
like all of these things aredictated to us as as what we
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should focus on in order to besuccessful, in order to be
healthy, et cetera.
And I think, above all in thisseason, as I've personally gone
through this wild evolution ofmy health, it's just given me
way more permission to say whatdo what like feels good to me
and what do I want to reallyfocus on most in this season and
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how do I want to prioritize,not only what I'm doing in my
day-to-day life, but how I'mshowing up for the people around
me and you spoke about this too.
The idea of once you get intomenopause, the after party, this
idea of being born intosomething new that really is, in
a lot of ways, how I feel, likewho I was even 10 years ago and
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what I did for my health even10 years ago it's not even
applicable.
It's not even close to who I amnow Like I have evolved that
much, mostly because I've had to.
If I wouldn't have, I wouldhave continued to be in this
incredibly stressed, burned out,not fulfilled place of not
feeling like I could reallyfigure out how to press forward
and feel good for my longevityso I can show up the way I want
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to in my life, and so Iabsolutely resonate with that
and I think that it's reallyjust this idea of embracing it
and giving yourself permissionto lean into you figuring out
what feels good to you and youfiguring out how you want to
really lean into things thatactually serve not only your
health but your life, and it'sjust kind of this forward for
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failing forward practice ofreally just trial and error and,
you know, kind of slowlygetting in tune with it more.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I think it's.
I think it's growing up.
Yeah, I think the generationsbefore us kept growing up in age
, but we forgot that we keepgrowing up, we keep changing and
shifting and hopefully maturingin every area.
(39:54):
And it's like when you weresharing what you were sharing, I
kept thinking like healthbegets health, begets, health
begets health.
I think there's so many womenwho are.
If you're still in thatpostpartum season, if you're
still in that like having babyseason you know, obviously this
is a podcast for moms it's soeasy to think when health versus
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what can I do now, startingwhere you are and not jumping
ahead, because I can think ofseasons of my life where I had
to start with such basic, simplethings that now I think of some
of those things and I'm likeman, it's been a long time since
I made that mistake, or it'sbeen like what feels easy now
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and you know, now I'm dialing inmy health to a whole different
level.
But it's like you just have tobe where you are in that season,
figure out what are your needs.
I'm curious If there was like aone size fits all way that
women honor their health andmaybe it's not like a
prescriptive do this or do that?
(41:03):
Are there some general thingsthat if someone is like okay, I
want to build this inside outhealth, are there some general
ways that they can start doingthat?
That isn't like here, do A, b,c, but like there's got to be
some things that they can startwith that.
That isn't like here, do A, b,c, but there's got to be some
things that they can start with.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we spoke on this.
But the first is just startingto track your cycle and I know
that sounds so basic andprobably a little cliche, but it
will be really transformativeas you start to really figure
out what's really going on andunderstanding how do you
actually feel.
Alongside that, that is a hugepart to our physiology that
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we've never really been coachedthrough or taught changes how we
feel every single day as we,even as we grow up, even as we
grow older, like it becomes moreof a thing that we need to even
pay attention to so much moreas we grow, grow up.
And so I think that that's thefirst piece is like that is one
of the easiest things you canstart to do.
You know, the other thing thatI like to coach my clients
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through is like picking threesimple things you want to do
just for yourself every singleday, and it can look different,
but it's three things just foryou.
It's not like I'm going to pickup the house so the house is
clean.
I'm going to make sure that Imake these appointments for my
family and my kids.
It's what are you doing trulyfor you?
Is it movement, Is itjournaling?
Is it quiet time?
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Is it connecting with a friend?
Is it what is actually going tofill your cup?
Like just taking a moment togive yourself that space and
time to evaluate on what'sreally going to fill your cup
and focusing on three simplelittle things a day, Like even
that can be a great start withtrying to get the ball rolling
alongside, like your physiology,because you will learn as you
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kind of dive into those threesimple things a day, you might
align one of them with yourphysiology and it might not fit.
Maybe it's like I wanted to goto this really hard bootcamp
class with my friend and youwake up and you're like you know
what I'm at this point in mycycle and my energy is here and
this isn't going to work.
And when you can start todiscern that it just starts to
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become this really great gift inyour wellness and this level of
permission and embracing thatyou're really in charge and you
can start to craft what feelsgood to you day in and day out.
So that's kind of where I wouldsay to start is tracking
physiology, symptoms, energy,where are you at, mood wise, and
then picking three simple waysto pour into yourself day to day
and just start there.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's such a great place to start and I'm curious
too do you have a favorite wayfor women to track their cycle?
Is there like an app?
Do you do paper?
I'm sure you have your own way,but, like if they're new to
this, where would you have themstart?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
If you are brand new, I love the Stardust app.
They have a great free app.
I haven't heard of that one.
Yeah, it's called Stardust.
The reason it's cool is you cantrack your cycle or, if you're
not cycling for some reason, youcan track the moon.
It gives like the whole mooncycle right in there.
It's all integrated.
The free capability is morethan enough and you can track
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symptoms, you can track mood,you can track all of those
things energy, where you're at.
If you want to pay for the paidversion, there's like all these
kinds of deeper things inside ofthe app as far as capabilities
to kind of help you understand,like, where your hormones at,
why might you be feeling the wayyou are?
How do you potentially sharethis with a partner or your
spouse or something like that,so they're kind of aware?
(44:27):
Like that is a really greatplace to start.
I love that app.
I have some paper trackers andstuff.
Honestly, you can download pdfseverywhere.
Yeah, it's just kind of whatworks for you, like are you a
visual person and do you likepen to paper or can you do it
more digitally on an app?
But I would say like the key islike just trying to start to
get consistent with it so youcan identify again mood, energy,
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symptoms and really how you'refeeling day to day.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You're a Google sheets girl.
Sorry a Google calendar girl.
You can keep track on yourGoogle calendar.
I use, I like, the periodtracker app for tracking.
I'm trying to think I want tosay it's the flow app.
Yeah, the flow app is anothergood one that kind of like
teaches you about your differentphases and it kind of gives
some hints, because I know, forme too one of the cool things
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when you're paying attention tothis, you might also go to do
one of those self-care thingsthat day and you're like, oh,
that's too slow and low andboring.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Like you might find yourself going to do something
that's like a slow health andfind like, oh, I want something
faster.
Like instead of going for awalk, I actually want to go do
like heavyweights with some rapmusic.
Like what actually feels goodcan sometimes be like faster or
slower than what you hadoriginally planned, so I love
that like daily checking in.
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I'm curious really quick if youcan speak to women who are on
birth control and like as far astracking their cycles when
they're not technically reallyhaving a real cycle.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, they're not technically cycling.
So my understanding andeverything that I've learned
from the experts that I workalongside is when you're taking
birth control, it essentiallyjust depresses or suppresses
your hormone fluctuation.
So it's really hard to reallyunderstand exactly what's
happening with your physiologywhen you're on something like
birth control.
However, you can still mooncycle.
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You can still track the energyof the moon and see what you can
potentially identify alongsidethe lunar cycle.
I will say, most often it'spretty tough because, again,
you're in that kind of depressedstate and your hormones are not
fluctuating the way theytypically do or they
synergistically do when they'rein the natural physiological
cycle.
(46:34):
But that would be my bestadvice is, if you're someone who
just wants to even start toslowly get in tune with what
your body or how your physiologyis potentially ebbing and
flowing, follow the moon alittle bit and see how you can
potentially start to identifythings.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Well, even as you were talking I was just thinking
too you can still track yourcycle and see if there's
specific.
You know cause it's going todepend what you're on.
There's so many different typesof medication but you could
start seeing what your trendsare and what you're feeling,
depending on where you're at inthe pills or, you know, whatever
that might look like for you.
But even just witnessing yourcycles of health and noticing
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what's going on with me and howam I feeling internally and I
think that's the important part,because I think there's so many
women who have learned how tohigh function and over function
and essentially bypass what'sactually happening internally
it's like you've just learnedhow to high function over what's
happening for you.
(47:33):
So even just taking that timeto check into how you're feeling
so even just taking that timeto check into how- you're
feeling your hunger, your energy, your.
You know I was, I'm trying to oh, I can't think of what I was
listening to.
Oh, it was Dirty Alchemy's book.
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What is it?
Oh, it's literally right infront of me Regenerative.
It was Regenerative Business bySam Garcia, and she was talking
about like a woman's cycle, isher fertility like her fertility
, like her sex drive, her, likeall of those things.
So it's like checking into thedifferent facets of your fertile
wellbeing.
Yeah, even if you're not tryingto have babies, yeah, exactly
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one big thing too if thingsaren't working, you'll be aware
of it before you hit thismassive, crazy, big burnout.
I think so.
So many women.
I think we see it a lot in ourculture and I don't know if you
see this, but I think it'sactually weirdly.
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People profit off of the cyclesof burnouts because there's this
whole thing in the coachingrealm where they're like I had
this six-figure business and Iburnt out, here's how I'm
rebuilding.
And then they like rebrand theirrebuilding but they never talk
about the fact that they justhad this massive amount of
burnout that crashed theirbusiness and their whole lives
and it's like well, wait, Idon't know about you, but I'm
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like I'm not trying to get there, like I'm trying to do this
without burning out right asmuch as possible.
You know, there's always likethe human cycles of like death
and rebirth and, yeah, thosemini, might minuscule, like um
prescribed burns, if you will,yeah, where small little things
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burn out, but you, you notice itsooner you smell the smoke, you
see the smoke and you go, ohhuh, something is trending in a
direction before it becomes thischronic thing where there's
like all of this deep work.
I mean, I know, when I'mworking with women it's like
sometimes we're unpacking yearsof stuff that has been ignored
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and it's complex and it'scomplicated and it's confusing.
It's like sometimes we'reunpacking years of stuff that
has been ignored and it'scomplex and it's complicated and
it's confusing and it'soverwhelming because it's taken,
it's been so long andeverything's intertwined and I'm
thinking with health.
There's that similar thread ofyou start paying attention to
the subtleties and you're ableto catch it quicker and shift
and move with it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, that's maybe the biggest gift you can give
yourself.
I really believe that I haveand hold a lot of regret because
of how burned out I let myselfbecome and I was always striving
for more and trying to hit thenext goal and trying to be the
next.
You know, whatever I wanted todream up as success and I missed
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a lot of things.
And you know, my kids are oldernow and I hold some level of
regret because I wasn't payingenough attention to the signs of
trying to just overdo it andpower through to the point of
completely neglecting what Ireally truly needed and I see
this with my clients.
I've obviously experienced itmyself and you're right, rebecca
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, like it's something inside oursociety that we need to keep
talking through, because whenyou can get to a place where you
understand yourself enough toknow this is not the time for me
to push.
I know maybe this is the time topush or this is the time to
strive here or this is the timeto get to the next thing, but if
I can ebb and flow in a waythat helps you stay in this
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place of feeling imperfectlybalanced, if you will, you won't
hit that place of burnout andyou won't potentially miss out
on things that you may never gettime back for.
And, as a coach, it breaks myheart when women go through this
, because I've seen it happenand I've also gone through it,
and I just want to make surethat women are slowly feeling
empowered to understand that weare meant to show up in our
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lives in a way that feelsfulfilled and grounded, and if
we are going after all of thethings or showing up in our life
in a way that actuallysacrifices our personal wellness
, like we're missing it, in theend we're missing.
We're missing the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
That's so good.
That permission that you justgave is so good, because I think
it's interesting.
There's a certain piece of mybusiness that I've been pushing
and I like was voxering myfriend the other day and I was
like I feel like I'm just likepushing this boulder up a hill
and I was telling her.
And I was like I feel like I'mjust like pushing this boulder
up a hill and I was telling her.
I was like I want to just letit go, but I like also want to
just keep pushing, and I know Ican keep pushing.
(52:24):
That's the thing.
Yeah, I know I can keep going.
I know I can get this boulderup the hill if I push hard
enough and long enough.
And as you were talking, I wasjust like who, if I was sitting
across from a woman and she toldme that I would be like is that
what you want?
Is that like really what youwant and need?
Because there I think I thinkwomen who have learned you know
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you were sharing your story Ithink women who have learned how
to work hard and how to doubledown when things get hard, I
think it can feel scary,anxiety-inducing, awkward, weird
, uncomfortable when we startletting balls roll down the hill
when we start pushing the brakeand not the gas, when we start
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honoring that we want thingsthat we aren't willing to
sacrifice what it takes tocreate that.
I think we have a culture thatsays you can have it all, and
I'm like, yeah, there's a costthough.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
There's a cost.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
There's a cost and some people have the privilege
to pay that cost, some peoplehave it, and there's all those
different levels of capacity, oftime and energy, and who your
partner is, and how healthy yourkids are, and the family
support and the financial.
And you know, did you alreadystart with money when you went
to do this?
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Did?
Did your partner?
You know there's, there's somany things that go underneath,
like can we have it all and howdo we build it?
But I think there's this reallyimportant conversation of like
what is the the cost and are youwilling to pay it?
And also like the longevity ofyour health.
It's like do you want this builton the back of something that's
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pretty fragile?
You know, when we're buildingsomething with that much
cortisol and stress andintensity, it's like it doesn't
have this root, deep roots ofhealth.
And like thinking back intonature of like you know my, we
never tore out my garden, soit's all just like really gross
(54:32):
and dead.
But I've actually really lovedit this winter because it's
reminded me that like there is apurpose in seasons where, like
it can't always just be growthand expansion.
All of the time there has to bethese seasons where things die
off or there are no's said togood things so that we can
create this deep, rich soil,this healthy, fertile ground
(54:55):
that when spring comes, it's notlike devoid of all nutrients
and it doesn't matter what weplant in it, it'll die and
listen.
I'm not even a gardener, buteven I know that it's like there
has to be this composting,there has to be this nutrients,
and I love what you're doing forwomen, because I think you're
teaching them how to build that.
You're teaching them how tobuild up this, like you've said,
(55:19):
that inside out health.
That really matters and helpsthem be more present.
So thank you for doing what youdo and just for sharing.
I feel like there were so manygood things that you shared in
here.
I'm curious if there'ssomething coming up in you that
we didn't touch on or somethingelse you would say to wrap this
conversation.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
To wrap this conversation.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
I would say what did we miss?
Speaker 2 (55:45):
We didn't.
I feel like we unpacked a lot,which was so great, I think, for
me, from where I sit now in mylife I'm a 42-year-old woman and
man I have gone through somelayers in my own health, like
just chasing the wrong, justchasing all the wrong things,
like the aesthetic goal that inthe end didn't really fulfill me
(56:06):
the way I thought the extremes,the feelings of this is going
to help me feel happier orsuccessful or whatever, and I
can confidently tell you likenone of that is going to matter
in the end if you're not reallygetting deep rooted in what
makes you feel good.
Like you said, rebecca, like wehave to be building that house
(56:27):
of bricks.
We have to be really building afoundation that's going to
serve us for our longevity, andso sometimes it has to be this
concept of giving yourselfpermission to say like I've done
all that I can.
And now it's faith, now it'swhatever's meant to happen, now
it's trying to make sure thatI'm really taking a pause to
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figure out how this feels,because I don't think we've done
it enough.
I think so often it's adifferent message and it's this
feeling of we have to do more inorder to prove something and I
just want women to know like youhave nothing to prove, like you
are amazing and unique andbeautiful just as you are, and
getting grounded in that inorder to empower your life and
(57:12):
empower your health is reallywhere I want women to focus most
.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
That is just so, so good.
And you know what's interesting?
My trick that I have for myselfand my clients is when you
can't find that for yourself, Iknow you can find it for your
kids.
I know you can look at yourlittle baby and be like you are
amazing just for existing.
And because you are amazing, Iwant you to be able to do all of
these different things.
You don't need to do all ofthese amazing things to prove
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that you're amazing.
You just are worthy enough.
Incredible just by like.
You know, when you just likestare at those babies and they
do nothing but poop, cry andscream and eat.
And you just look at them andyou're like, how could anything
be more valuable than this?
Yeah, when you learn how tolive your life from the from,
this like at least, at first itmight not feel like it, but
(58:03):
that's why, like you externalizeit.
I'm like, okay, if I canbelieve this for her, how would
I act?
How would I show up?
How would I nourish her?
How would I feed her?
It's like it.
I think that's one of the giftsthat motherhood gives us is
that it creates this potent inyour face.
This is your worth.
This is when you look at thatlittle kid, you get to look at
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yourself in a new way.
So thank you so, so much foreverything you shared.
It was so powerful.
I'm so excited to keeplistening to your podcast.
I listened to like a coupleepisodes the other day and it
was so good and I was like, oh,I'm so excited to have her.
So definitely go check outErin's podcast.
You're working with peopleone-on-one for the most part
right now, right.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yes, I have one-to-one coaching.
I also just recently launchedmy first group coaching program,
so I will have another round ofthat coming later this year.
But above all, like I just Ilove connecting with women.
I want to hear your story, Iwant to hear your truth, I want
to hear how your health feels inyour day-to-day and where you
feel like you need more support.
You know, that's what I'mpassionate about, and I would
love to connect with anyone thatwants to just kind of talk more
(59:06):
about Inside Out Wellness andnurturing your longevity as
women.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, thank you so much.
And, listeners, if you lovedthis podcast and you will, you
share it on social media.
Tag Aaron, tag me, send us a DM.
Let us know you listened.
If you have questions, we wantto hear your aha moments.
We truly do want to connectwith you.
Aaron, thank you so so much forbeing here.
I love this conversation thanks, rebecca.
Appreciate you, my friend thanksfor joining me on today's
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Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
I'm Becca, a somatic healingpractitioner and a holistic life
coach for moms, and thispodcast is for you.
You can expect honestconversations and incredible
guests that speak to health,healing and growth in every area
of our lives.
This isn't just strategy forwhat we do.
It's support for who we are.
I believe we can be wildlyambitious while still holding
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all of our soft and hardhumanity as holy.
I love combining deep innerhealing with strategic systems
and no-nonsense talk about whatthis season is really like.
So grab whatever weird healthbeverage you're currently into
and let's get into it.
Welcome to today's episode ofthe Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
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Today, I have an incredibleguest with me and we are going
to be talking about hormonehealth and just health and
wellness, especially when itcomes to longevity and what it
means for us as individuals, andI'm just so excited for this
conversation.
So, Erin, will you introduceyourself to my audience?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I sure will.
Rebecca, thank you so much forhaving me today.
I feel so grateful to connectwith you and for the opportunity
to just share my heart, sharemy story, talk a little bit
about my passion for health andwellness and how I serve inside
the women's health spacespecifically.
So a little bit about me.
My name is Erin Trier.
I'm a mom of four.
I'm a women's health coach anda podcaster.
(01:25):
I'm also a medical mom and Ihave a really deep passion for
serving people on their healthand wellness journey.
I actually am someone whostarted in the health and
wellness space and working inthe health and wellness space
and more of a business modelthat was focused on one size
fits all strategies and here'sthe cookie cutter messaging and
here's the quick fix mentalityand that served me for a portion
(01:49):
of my life until it didn't andI had this really profound shift
happen for me.
That kind of led me down thisroad of totally uncovering
different levels of educationand knowledge and certifications
on how I wanted to grow myexpertise on how to really
support women when it comes totheir longevity wellness and how
do you really shift into notonly lifestyle habits but also
(02:12):
tuning into kind of your insideout symptoms and understanding
how your health evolves overtime.
And, in a nutshell, I learnedthe hard way how what I was once
doing was not going to serve mefor the longevity of my life.
And so that's kind of where myheart sits today, with wanting
to talk to women, wanting toconnect with women on our
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authentic stories and therealness of how health has felt
and essentially talk about howour health has evolved and what
do we need to do together tolearn and grow through new
levels of understanding, habitsand lifestyle and so much more
that really serves us for longterm.
So that's really a little bitabout me.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, that's so good.
One of the things you weretalking about that I heard is
like these different seasons ofhealth and like how it changed,
because I was under theassumption that once I just
became an adult, I would justlike have things figured out and
then I just do that till I die.
Turns out for the positive andthe like really hard for me as
(03:12):
someone who wants to have a planand then just keep executing.
Everything shifts at differentseasons and we were talking
before we started recordingabout like that, before we
started recording about likethat, that season of having
babies and kind of that.
Like that pregnancy andpostpartum season where we're
really thinking about likefertility especially.
(03:35):
I think a lot of women becomealive to their own individual
health when it's when someoneelse is dependent on it for
better or worse.
Like it does awaken new levelsof like oh, what am I feeding my
body?
How do I work out and in a, notjust how skinny, how fit do I
look, it's like.
Oh, how do I feel?
I'm curious your journey as amom and just like from your
(03:58):
health, what like the differentseasons have been and what, what
made you?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
shift.
What made me shift?
That's such a great question.
So, as I said, I'm a mom offour and every single one of my
postpartum journeys wasdrastically different, so some
of them were easier than others.
Some of them were really hardphysically, some of them were
really hard mentally, and so Ireally got a glimpse into
different layers of how I had toget honest about taking care of
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my wellness as each postpartumjourney happened.
But then also, like you said,as I was evolving through
different seasons and as I hadmore kids and as we built our
family, you know I had differentlevels of things I was managing
.
I had more than one kid andthen I was also trying to
continue out how to figure outbuilding into my passion more
and continuing to serve insidethe wellness space, and so I was
(04:47):
managing these different levelsof being an entrepreneur, but
also watching my health shift asI went through different
postpartum seasons and as I gotolder.
So for me, it really was thisawakening, like you said, about
trying to understand what do Ineed to shift in my day-to-day
that really serves my inside outhealth.
My fourth baby after my fourthbaby he was basically a COVID
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baby.
He was born at the end of 2019.
And at the beginning of 2020, Iremember the world shutting down
and I remember feeling reallyheavy mental health specific
hurdles.
I remember feeling likedebilitated in my day to day.
I remember having so littleenergy.
I remember that, like all thehealthy habits quote unquote I
(05:33):
was leaning on like exercise andtrying to get good sleep and
trying to fuel my body well withenergizing foods and things
like that.
Like nothing was working,nothing was adding up for me and
that was really my first bigglimpse into my health is
changing Like this is adifferent season, not only
because the world was kind ofweird and there was a lot
(05:54):
happening outside of our controlin the larger society we were
in, but it was also in my ownjourney and in our family and it
was just this profound shiftwhere I realized like I had to
go deeper.
It was no longer about likehere's the exercise program I
can just follow that comes in abox or in a plan that I can
blindly just follow along with.
No longer can I like exercise,these extreme types of nutrition
(06:19):
strategies or cutting out foodgroups or doing things that I
thought were getting me to whereI wanted to go in the past,
like none of it was reallyhelping me the same, and, like I
said, before we even startedrecording today, I had a season
where all of that worked fine,like I just followed the
calendars, blindly, did someextreme nutrition strategies.
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You know, I kind of was justdoing what I always knew how to
do because it worked and it mademe feel good and it made me
kind of quote unquote get mybody back or whatever the
messaging was or whatever thegoal was in that season.
But, like I said, my fourthbaby just rocked my world and it
totally changed my perspectiveon health for my longevity,
because the mental and emotionalcomponent felt so debilitating
(07:00):
to manage.
And so in 2020, into 2021 andbeyond, is when I started to
really figure out how can I getmore education around this idea
of learning about inside outhealth and wellness for my
longevity, and how do I get intounderstanding how to nurture my
health in a hormone supportiveway and what does that really
truly look like when it comes tonot only day-to-day habits but
(07:24):
also in the capacity ofnurturing my own bio-individual
physiology.
And that's the biggest thingI've learned on my own personal
journey after my fourth baby isthat each of us are wildly
individual.
We're all made up so uniquely,and with that in mind, we have
to really figure out how do wetailor our day-to-day habits.
How do we tailorday habits?
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How do we tailor our lifestyle?
How do we tailor what we'releaning on most in a way that
really feels good to us?
Not necessarily what's beingmarketed in the wellness space,
not necessarily what's beingsaid to be the thing that you
need in order to be successfulin health.
It's the reverse.
How are we empowering ourselvesas women to understand how to
learn about what's hormonesupportive for our longevity,
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but then adopting it into ourlifestyle and figuring out what
really works for us?
And so that, for me, was themost transformative season,
because it forced me to learnway more than what I was doing.
I was doing a lot ofsurface-level type health
strategies.
I was blindly following theplans rather than learning what
is my physiology need and whatfeels good based on my
(08:30):
uniqueness.
And so that's really theprofound shift that I went
through.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, something you just said resonated so deeply in
me.
I think there's an early partof this journey in my experience
where it was like I just wantedand needed someone to tell me
what to do.
Yeah, and that worked for awhile and then I realized like I
(08:54):
can know what to do, I canfigure out what to do and I can
learn how to trust my body.
And I think it's wild that welive in a culture that is so raw
, raw women's empowerment andyet we still have this overhaul
system of healthcare, especiallywhere it's like women have
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never been taught how to trustand listen to the most basic
instinct of am I hungry?
Am I full?
How does this food make me feel?
Am I emotional eating or am Ieating because I'm hungry?
We're just, we're outsourcingall of our information and
knowledge to give me the plan,give me, give me the 10 steps
(09:35):
that will, that will give me thehealth and the wellbeing and
the energy and the capacity thatI want.
And it's like I I get why wewant that.
I get, we want those quick,easy fixes.
But the reality is is whenthose don't work, we blame
ourselves Like we're the problem, when we can't be, when we
can't be consistent anymore, andI've seen that, that I've seen
(09:56):
myself go through those cyclesso many times of trying to
follow the plan and then, whenthe plan stops working, I think
there's something broken in me,versus I'm in a different season
and I need something differentand this plan doesn't work
anymore.
And so, helping women tounderstand and feel in their
bodies is this working for me?
Is it giving what I need?
(10:17):
And you even mentioned like youwere in the season where you're
doing all of the right things,you were going through the
motions and yet it wasn't enough, it wasn't adding up.
And I know I think of my ownjourney and especially, I've
been in a season again where I'mlooking into dialing in my
health of what's been working,has been working, and I know I'm
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about to be in a new seasonwhere I want even more energy
and focus and clarity, and Iknow that there's going to have
to be some changes in the waythat I'm eating or moving my
body or taking care of myself inIf I want to give more and do
more.
And I refuse to do that on theback of my burnout or my body's
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stress or cortisol or on theback of the end of my marriage
or my parenting falling out.
I have to invest more in me,like I am not a machine.
I can't just keep producing andnever looking at what feeds me,
what gives me energy, andthat's not like you said, it's
not just physiological, it'smental, emotional, spiritual,
(11:22):
but all of these things.
You're a holistic person and ifwe're trying to separate health
as just in your body and we'renot talking about all of the
different facets of your health,something is going to be missed
.
And the thing missed is youlike you as a whole holistic
person.
So I'm curious, you're usingthe phrase inside out health and
(11:44):
I'm curious like, what doesthat mean to you?
Like, what does inside outhealth for a woman look like and
feel like?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
For me, that is first and foremost teaching women how
to understand their uniquephysiology.
So I, in my coaching program, Ihave a method that I coach
women through.
It's called the empower method,and each step is more or less
us peeling back the onion on howdo you really start to
understand what your physiologyneeds?
And part of that is starting tolearn how to track your cycle
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or be in tune with your cycle.
That is a huge piece ofknowledge, and you touched on
this that women don't reallyhave education around.
I don't know about you, but Ididn't learn anything when I was
14, 15, and I was in healthclass in middle school.
I learned here are the waysthat your body's going to change
.
You're physically going to seechanges, you're going to
(12:37):
eventually get a period and hereare the ways you can get
pregnant or not get pregnant,and that was really the extent.
It was nothing deeper dive on.
Here's what happens with yourhormones and here's what happens
when your hormones dive towardsthe end of the month and how
that can affect how you feelmentally and emotionally.
And here's how this specificpiece to your physiology can
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affect your overall well-being.
This is knowledge I literallyhave not learned until the past
four or five years, and it'sphenomenal to me to really
unpack it, especially as a momof girls, because I wish I knew
now, like knew then what I knownow.
Because if I knew then what Iknow now, I feel like my entire
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health journey or like chasingall of these arbitrary goals
that really didn't serve me.
It would have just been atotally different experience
because I would have had a muchbetter glimpse of what is my
physiology actually doing.
As women, we are physicallydifferent every single day
because of our hormonalfluctuations, and when we have
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that knowledge we can giveourselves more grace.
We can understand like okay, Iget why my energy is in the tank
right now, because I'mliterally almost about to start
my next cycle and all of myhormones are starting to get
into the gutter, like they'redepleting, they are falling at
the end of my cycle.
And as you start to gain thisknowledge again, it gives you
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more of that deeperunderstanding of your uniqueness
.
And so in my empower method westart with something called
embracing mind and body literacyand we learn about how do you
track your cycle and if you'renot cycling, how do you start to
tune into the energy of themoon.
That's a really significantthing for women.
We are lunar beings, which Iknow sounds a little nuts, and
even for me I was like I don'tknow about this, like I'm trying
(14:22):
to really understand, like whatall this means.
But the more I research and themore I learn on my own journey,
the more I'm uncovering howpowerful this is.
And so that's like really wherewe start.
We start to figure out, likepaying attention to your cycle,
simple things like actuallytracking it, actually
understanding your symptoms,actually understanding your
energy, and then, as you startto learn that, starting to
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figure out how do you, in thisvery imperfect way, start to
balance out where you're pouringinto different buckets of your
health, alongside what yourphysiology is doing.
So that's kind of.
The second step of my program isthis mastering the art of
imperfect balance and figuringout like here are the different
facets of our health.
Like you mentioned, rebecca, wedon't just have the physical
bucket, we have mental andemotional health, we have
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relational health and what'shappening with our connections
around us.
We have spiritual well-being,emotional well-being and, above
all, mental health.
And so it's figuring out how dowe slowly identify our needs
inside of these different facetsand imperfectly figure out
these different areas we need tonurture in order to help
ourselves really start to feelbetter inside of our physiology.
And then, over time, we startto build into what are hormone
(15:31):
supportive habits and how do wefigure out what we want to focus
on day to day.
And then how do we buildsustainable routines alongside
that.
So my program goes deeper diveinto all of these facets, but
above all, we start with what'syour unique physiology doing and
how can we start to help eachof us learn the power of really
getting in touch with ourhormones, our energy, our mood,
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and really how we can adapt thatinto maximizing how we feel
energy wise in our day to daylife.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I, I'm so glad.
I love hearing that you starthere, because I'm just like.
There's so many women we wantto jump into the fixing it.
We want to jump into, like,solving the problem, and I think
what happens is we startsolving for the wrong problem
and we try to solve the problemin the same way that the problem
was created in the first place.
(16:20):
Because there's a lack ofawareness, there's a lack of
where am I?
Where am I and what's going onwith my health?
What's going on internally?
Because I don't know if youfound this, but so many women
are hypervigilant withthemselves and they have a lot
of awareness around what they'redoing and what they're
producing and how they'reshowing up to their career and
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motherhood and to what otherpeople want and need from them.
But there's, a lot of times, alack of connection to how is
this all feeling?
How is my experience of myhealth and my sleep and my sex
drive and my hunger and myenergy and my emotional ability,
which you know?
(17:02):
Those two things are so inter.
You know your biology, yourphysiology and your emotional
health and wellness.
You know you're not just thisfloating mind.
Your mind is a part of yourbody and I'm so, like so many
women.
We're in an age where, like,it's getting more common for
women to understand their cycles, but I think I'm you know, so
(17:26):
many of my clients and mycolleagues and my friends are
very aware of their cycles thatI forget that it's actually
really not common knowledgeanymore.
Yeah, or yet I should still say.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And it's been so cool to teach my daughter.
It's like I didn't just saylike here's what's going to
happen in a period.
It was like here is your entiremenstrual cycle and here's how
we track it.
And hey, have you checked intoyour app lately of like how
you're feeling and if yourhormones could be impacted.
When I tell you, when I learnedthe information about the
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different cycles specificallyfor me, with luteal, I had PMDD
and I had no idea that the wholereason my mental and emotional
health was droppingsignificantly was PMDD.
It was my hormones.
And yet I thought I was broken.
I thought I was effed up,especially because most people,
when they would talk about theircycles, it was, oh, my period's
(18:18):
so bad.
And yet I was over here.
Like as soon as I startbleeding, or 24 hours before I
start bleeding, I can tell youI'm about to start bleeding,
because I feel like myself.
It's like a light switch goeson and I'm like I'm me again.
I feel like me again and it'sso powerful for me to be able to
have that information of whatmy body's actually doing,
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because that empowered me to beable to understand what my
hormones needed.
No-transcript quote.
Unquote.
I'm heavier than I was yearsago.
But I look at, I no longer haveany disordered eating, like it
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doesn't take willpower, I havemore energy, I have more clarity
, I have a better sex drive Likeall of these things in my body
feel so good now because I wasable to understand what my body
wanted and needed, what actuallymade it healthy, and I started
focusing on this, like long-termhealth and wellbeing, not just
(19:26):
quote, unquote how I look inthese jeans or fitting back into
those jeans.
And I'm someone who's beenpretty onto diet culture BS from
a pretty early stage inmotherhood.
And yet I was still driving, Iwas still chasing that carrot
Only in sneakier ways.
I think diet culture just becamehealth culture and then kind of
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rebranded itself.
But I want to come back to thishormone piece, because you said
something before we startedrecording of how consistent
you've been able to be and I'mcurious if you can speak to that
, because I think so many womenare terrified of the up and down
cycles, of honoring the factthat you don't have the same
(20:10):
energy or capacity through theentire month or season.
Because, at least for me, Ihave found that when I honor my
capacity as a piece of myconsistency, like even right now
in my business, I'm having toslow down.
I don't want to slow downMentally, logically, like my
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ambition does not want to slowdown, but I am keenly aware of
my body and my soul and likethere's something happening in
me that if I keep pushing atthis pace I will burn out and
that's what's going to kill myconsistency.
So I wonder if you can speak tothe four different phases of
our cycle, just for people whoare, if that's new to them.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, that is such a great question and something
that I've also experienced, so Ididn't even really touch on
this.
But total burnout was also apart of my big story and one of
the reasons why I knew thatthere had to be a better way,
like there had to be a level ofeducation and knowledge that I
did not understand, because Iwas burning the candle at both
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ends.
I was a mom of four, I was anentrepreneur, I was a podcaster,
I was trying to be a presentwife, I was trying to volunteer
in my community.
I was trying to literally do itall, and I was stressed out to
the max and completely unawareof what was actually happening
with my body every single day.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
But you were succeeding it sounds like you
were doing it all on the outsideright.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, on the outside See, that's the thing is like we
think we're succeeding quoteunquote but when we don't really
address, how is our day-to-dayfeeling?
And are we really taking amoment to redefine what success
even means?
We're not actually hitting themark, like we're missing it.
And that's another thing that Ihad to go through.
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Like I feel like I've been ableto grow because I've gone
through it, I hit major burnout.
I thought I was succeeding, buteverything felt terrible In my
day-to-day.
I felt depleted and low onenergy and stressed to the max.
Outwardly I was sort of puttingthe pieces together, but inward
, on that inside-out healthpiece I talk about, I was a mess
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.
I was a mess.
And so, like I talked aboutinside my coaching program with
this idea of the empower method,one of the things that I teach
women inside of the piece aboutprioritizing hormone supportive
habits is how do we understandwhat habits serve our physiology
in different phases of ourcycle?
Right, so we obviously have ourbleed, our cycle, and then we
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go into follicular phase.
That's when our estrogen startsto rise and we start to get
more energy, we start to feelmore energized, we start to feel
more social, et cetera.
Then we get into that ovulationphase which is kind of right
around the middle.
Typically, if you have atypical 28 day cycle, it's right
around the middle.
Then we move into luteal orluteal People say it differently
and that's more of our estrogenstarts to drop, our
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progesterone starts to rise andwe kind of get into this dance
of hormones which can lead toeither calming effects or more
stress and irritability effects.
It depends on how your hormonesare actually balanced and
optimized, and what typicallyhappens, especially in
perimenopause, is the ratiobetween estrogen and
progesterone becomes really outof balance and that can lead to
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all kinds of symptoms, like youexpressed, pmdd that's a huge
one for women, and what oftendoesn't happen is the link
between hormonal imbalance orthe ratio of hormones not being
really optimized and all ofthese mental and emotional
symptoms that you can't makesense of.
That's very, very common forwomen.
And so then, once we get intolate luteal and into our next
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cycle, our hormones start tobottom out and we feel different
kinds of energy, right.
So for me, I'm really helpingwomen get educated about what
actually serves you in theseseasons or in these different
phases.
So for like days one and two,for example, of your cycle.
You should always be resting,like your hormones are bottomed
out.
You should be resting andpaying attention to the energy
that you feel there as you getinto follicular.
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That's a great time to start tobuild in more strength training
, build in more socialization,build in more great projects.
It's a time for creativity,things like that Ovulation.
You're kind of still in thatrealm of follicular.
Sometimes women have drop-offsin their hormones that can kind
of dip energy or dip mood.
I know I've had that experience.
But again, every single day ofour cycle we feel a little bit
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different because our physiologyis truly different every single
day.
So that's why it's valuable tostart to track and understand
what are you actually feelingevery day?
When are the days when you feelawesome energy?
When are the days that you feelreally low and kind of
pinpointing that against whereyou are to see if it makes sense
alongside where your hormonesare potentially fluctuating.
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And then, after you get overovulation and into luteal phase,
that's a time to get into morerestorative.
You can like little bursts ofHIIT training and things like
that.
On the fitness side, you knowyou're always focusing on
different levels of nourishingfoods and whole food nutrition
pretty much throughout yourwhole cycle.
I mean, there's a lot ofresearch around how you can
strategically fuel at differentphases, but I like to focus a
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lot on, like what just feelsgood, right, how are we focusing
most on what feels good to you?
And ebbing and flowing in thisvery imperfect, fluid way, but
luteal is more restorative,right, and starting to slow down
and honoring that.
And then, as you get into yournext cycle, it's really slowing
down and giving yourselfpermission to rest.
And I never did any of that foryears and years and years, until
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like the last four or fiveyears, like I said, and I always
wondered, like why did I alwaysfeel like I was kind of hitting
a brick wall?
I was going against?
I felt like I was kind of likegoing against the grain somehow,
like I was just continuallypowering through and powering
through and somehow it juststarted not to add up and it
really led me to this place ofsignificant burnout, significant
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stress to the max.
My adrenals were totally taxedand in the in the like, totally
in the shitter, and I had toreally rebuild myself in a
pretty significant way byslowing down, completely,
backing off of working out andhaving to heal, very
intentionally because I wasn'tpaying attention.
And you know, the more I gointo this in my own personal
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journey, but the more I walkalongside my clients, I'm
learning how significant thiscan be for women.
When you start to understandyour unique energy and you start
to understand how you reallyfeel day to day, the biggest
thing is you can start tomaximize your effort and your
energy, but you also can giveyourself grace.
Like we talked about, itchanges the mental and emotional
soundtracks that so often wecan get into.
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You spoke about kind of beatingyourself up and getting into
that headspace of feeling likeI'm broken or I can't do this or
why am I not able to powerthrough or why am I not able to
get all of this done.
But the truth is we're notmeant to, we're not supposed to
be in that headspace or be inthat energy every single day.
And I have found personallythat the more I really start to
work with my physiology, so tospeak, the better I show up in
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my day-to-day life, mostimportantly for myself and then
outwardly for my family and forthe things I'm managing and
beyond.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So hopefully that kind of gave you a snapshot into
just some of the things womenpay attention to so good, and I
think what so many women need tohear is that, when you're
honoring these phases, I'vebecome more productive, but not
at the sake of everything else Icherish, like presence, and
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like my body knows how to restnow, because I'm not just, like
you know, I used to feel like Iwas pushing the gas and the
brakes at the same time.
I was like my nervous systemand emotional health was just so
out of whack and here I wastrying to heal trauma when I was
like creating new trauma.
Essentially in my physiology oflike I look back to like
seasons long, long ago where,like I was spending two hours in
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the gym, like an hour and ahalf in the gym, almost every
single day through my wholecycle, and when I was on my
period, I would literally bedrinking pre-workout all day as
if it was just like juice to tryto get myself through, and I
crashed pretty hard and my bodyrevolted, like in pretty strong
ways and it took a long time torestore back, just to get me
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back to normal one.
But also, like now I look atmyself and I'm like I am.
I am more sensitive to andaware of, like those small,
subtle shifts of what I need.
And what's really cool is, whenyou honor those rests, you
enjoy the work cycles more,because it doesn't feel the way
that I described this to womenand this applies to like health,
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but this is also just the waythey run their lives of.
I love driving 75 on theinterstate with my windows down,
blaring music in the summertime.
That feels great.
But if my car is going 75 in aschool zone and I have a toddler
in the summertime, that feelsgreat.
But if my car is going 75 in aschool zone and I have a toddler
in the back screaming that 75miles an hour, that feels
terrible.
That feels terrifying.
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And it's like we need to beable to access the gas and the
brakes in our car.
We need to be able tointentionally choose and have
agency of what is working for meand when.
And a very simple example is youknow, when I'm in my luteal,
I've realized I'm more hungry, Ineed more food, I need more
fats and, for me at least, Icrave more carbs and so like I
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need more of that in order tofeel good, especially with how
sensitive I am to like the PMDDstuff, if I want to feel good.
Sensitive I am to like the PMDDstuff.
If I want to feel good, I haveto slow down, I have to honor
those needs.
And you know what?
My life is not perfect.
I don't have this ability tojust cancel everything that week
that I'm luteal, I'm stillworking, I'm still mothering
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Like my kids don't just leave mealone right.
But there's things.
There's small little shiftsthat I can make in the margins.
I can bring a heat pad, I canbring hot tea to the call, I can
slow down and make sure I'mgetting my meals.
I can make easy meal prep thatweek.
There's small little thingsthat I can do, even though
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there's some things that I couldchange them.
But I'm not going to.
I'm still going to show up tomy life and my motherhood and my
business.
You can still show upconsistently.
You just honor your cycle andyou start honoring that inside
out health that you were talkingabout.
I'm curious if you can touch onperimenopause.
(30:33):
I feel like this is a new.
It's not a new topic, but it'sanother one of those that like
it's getting more talked about,which I think is so good about,
like what's changing in ushormonally and how does that
shift how we show up to ourhealth.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Such a great question and something I am learning
about more and more every singleday.
In a nutshell, perimenopause iskind of termed second puberty.
So what's essentially happeningis our body is starting to
prepare to not cycle anymore and, as I kind of spoke about when
I was speaking through, you knowhow do you ebb and flow your
lifestyle alongside differentphases of your cycle and how do
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you really think about what yourhormones are doing, especially
like the ratio between estrogenand progesterone, right?
So what happens often inperimenopause with women we all
go through it and we'llexperience it in some way.
It's a hundred percent going tohappen to all of us.
It's just a matter of what areour symptoms going to be, what
are the things that we're goingto essentially go through?
But what happens is ourhormones.
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They just don't do their uniquedance as calculated as they
once did, right?
So I am not a hormone healthexpert and I can't necessarily
dive into exactly what ourhormones do and when and how
they all work together, but I doknow, like what essentially
starts to happen is they startto ebb and flow a lot more
irregularly than they once were,and so that is what leads to
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all kinds of unexplainedsymptoms.
You know, for me personallygoing through perimenopause, I
had uncovered through testingand working with knowledgeable
practitioners and some of thepeople I partner with inside my
practice, through testing, likewhat was actually happening with
my sex hormones specifically,and I learned that I had really
low progesterone and really lowtestosterone and that was
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leading to potential symptomslike really intense irritability
and rage, really low mood,really high anxiety, like my
progesterone was so low the backhalf of my cycle my anxiety
started to feel debilitating,and so the biggest thing that
women can start to understandwhen it comes to this topic of
perimenopause is symptoms.
Right, that is really how youstart to identify.
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Are you potentially in thisseason of your hormones getting
into this place of fluctuatingmore and potentially becoming
imbalanced because they're notin that perfect synergy of the
ratio that they once were inwhen we were maybe having a
perfect 28 day cycle or in thatseason of you know a calculated
period every month, and I knowthat's not the story for all
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women, but most often, if we'rein that typical 28-day cycle,
our hormones are essentiallydoing what they're supposed to
do and in perimenopause, as westart to taper off into this
season of not having a cycle atall anymore by going through
menopause.
Our hormones just kind offluctuate all over the place and
I kind of want to speak on thistoo, rebecca, because I know we
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talked about this too is likethis concept of stress and this
is one of the most profoundthings that I've learned in my
own life, but also as I coachwomen in kind of the 35 to 45
year old range, essentially whatthat means when our hormones
are fluctuating, they're in astressed out state, right Like
that is causing more stressinside our body.
And so when you hear peopletalking about well, here are the
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lifestyle things you shouldfocus on inside of your wellness
journey when you're in thisseason, most often it has to be
strategic and it has to belooked through in the sense of
how do we diminish stress, howdo we diminish adding even more
stress to a body that isstarting to get into this
hormonal fluctuation season?
And the thing is like so oftenwomen lean on habits or
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lifestyle that actually ends upadding more stress.
Like for me, I was doing cardioall the time.
I was going to all theseintense bootcamp classes, I was
doing all these HIIT workouts.
At the end of the day.
That's taxing on the body,that's adding more stress.
Or I was intermittent fastingfor a really extended time, or I
was cutting out carbs oncertain days.
That's adding more stress toour physiology.
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And so what we need to beunderstanding as women,
especially in this season, as weget into this second puberty,
our hormones are fluctuating.
It's not in that perfectsynergy as it maybe once was.
How are we trying tostrategically think about
lifestyle and minimize the addedstress that we're putting on
ourselves?
And that's so incrediblyimportant because if we don't,
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it will lead us into even moresymptoms, even more fatigue,
even more irritability, evenmore potential burnout.
It just adds to the pile, ifthat makes sense.
Burnout it just adds to thepile if that makes sense.
And so for me, it's just beenreally interesting to learn how
our physiology changes on a verydeep level in this season and
why we need to be payingattention to not only things
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like targeted testing and reallyunderstanding what your body's
doing, but how do you match yourlifestyle to also make sure
you're nurturing your body well?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
All of that was so good and I'm so.
The concept of second pubertyI'm still just like sitting here
in that concept because I'veworked with women and I have a
lot of friends who are in thatseason of perimenopause where
they're starting to have some ofthe like symptom, like they're
starting to go hmm, is thiswhat's happening?
And thinking of it as asecondary puberty is interesting
(35:40):
because you know, I'm not ahealth coach and I do talk I
don't, we do talk aboutphysiological wellbeing and like
habits and stuff like that andfood and sleep and those things
do come up because, again, it'sholistic.
But I'm so, I'm so curiousabout that because you know,
when I think of a teenager goingthrough adolescence, I'm
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thinking they're becomingsomething new physiologically,
women are becoming something newat this season in their life.
And I think of women aftermenopause and I'm like damn,
like they don't give a fuck.
And I'm like damn, like theydon't give a fuck, like in the
best way possible, like there isthis and I just I can't help
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but wonder, like if mothernature like knows what she's
doing.
But we have this life that isnot meant for nature.
We have this life where we'resupposed to button up and do the
same thing that we always did.
We're supposed to fall in line,we're supposed to keep working
and living and parenting in thesame way, and I think there's
something happening in ourculture where we're going like
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wait, maybe nature knows what'sup.
Maybe there's something to notjust being in this era where we
and know and not getting into,like the systems part too much.
I want to pull myself back oflike.
I'm just curious if this seasonfor you has like taught you
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something new about yourself andlike this new trust, or even
this new like where what I'mgetting at is it seems like it's
another season where we losecontrol of what we thought we
had control of and somethingthat we thought we had to have
is stripped away from us and wehave to learn how to be with our
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wildness.
We have to learn how to be withour rawness, because we can't,
it's not enough to just keepgoing.
I don't know if that resonateswith you, but I'm just curious
at that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, it totally resonates and I think that's
really important to just kind ofembrace and speak about,
because so often you talkedabout this at the beginning of
our conversation was we kind offeel like, once we get into this
season of being an adult, likewe should just have it all
figured out and we all thethings should fall in line and
like all of these things aredictated to us as as what we
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should focus on in order to besuccessful, in order to be
healthy, et cetera.
And I think, above all in thisseason, as I've personally gone
through this wild evolution ofmy health, it's just given me
way more permission to say whatdo what like feels good to me
and what do I want to reallyfocus on most in this season and
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how do I want to prioritize,not only what I'm doing in my
day-to-day life, but how I'mshowing up for the people around
me and you spoke about this too.
The idea of once you get intomenopause, the after party, this
idea of being born intosomething new that really is, in
a lot of ways, how I feel, likewho I was even 10 years ago and
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what I did for my health even10 years ago it's not even
applicable.
It's not even close to who I amnow Like I have evolved that
much, mostly because I've had to.
If I wouldn't have, I wouldhave continued to be in this
incredibly stressed, burned out,not fulfilled place of not
feeling like I could reallyfigure out how to press forward
and feel good for my longevityso I can show up the way I want
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to in my life, and so Iabsolutely resonate with that
and I think that it's reallyjust this idea of embracing it
and giving yourself permissionto lean into you figuring out
what feels good to you and youfiguring out how you want to
really lean into things thatactually serve not only your
health but your life, and it'sjust kind of this forward for
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failing forward practice ofreally just trial and error and,
you know, kind of slowlygetting in tune with it more.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
I think it's.
I think it's growing up.
Yeah, I think the generationsbefore us kept growing up in age
, but we forgot that we keepgrowing up, we keep changing and
shifting and hopefully maturingin every area.
(39:54):
And it's like when you weresharing what you were sharing, I
kept thinking like healthbegets health, begets, health
begets health.
I think there's so many womenwho are.
If you're still in thatpostpartum season, if you're
still in that like having babyseason you know, obviously this
is a podcast for moms it's soeasy to think when health versus
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what can I do now, startingwhere you are and not jumping
ahead, because I can think ofseasons of my life where I had
to start with such basic, simplethings that now I think of some
of those things and I'm likeman, it's been a long time since
I made that mistake, or it'sbeen like what feels easy now
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and you know, now I'm dialing inmy health to a whole different
level.
But it's like you just have tobe where you are in that season,
figure out what are your needs.
I'm curious If there was like aone size fits all way that
women honor their health andmaybe it's not like a
prescriptive do this or do that?
(41:03):
Are there some general thingsthat if someone is like okay, I
want to build this inside outhealth, are there some general
ways that they can start doingthat?
That isn't like here, do A, b,c, but like there's got to be
some things that they can startwith that.
That isn't like here, do A, b,c, but there's got to be some
things that they can start with.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we spoke on this.
But the first is just startingto track your cycle and I know
that sounds so basic andprobably a little cliche, but it
will be really transformativeas you start to really figure
out what's really going on andunderstanding how do you
actually feel.
Alongside that, that is a hugepart to our physiology that
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we've never really been coachedthrough or taught changes how we
feel every single day as we,even as we grow up, even as we
grow older, like it becomes moreof a thing that we need to even
pay attention to so much moreas we grow, grow up.
And so I think that that's thefirst piece is like that is one
of the easiest things you canstart to do.
You know, the other thing thatI like to coach my clients
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through is like picking threesimple things you want to do
just for yourself every singleday, and it can look different,
but it's three things just foryou.
It's not like I'm going to pickup the house so the house is
clean.
I'm going to make sure that Imake these appointments for my
family and my kids.
It's what are you doing trulyfor you?
Is it movement, Is itjournaling?
Is it quiet time?
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Is it connecting with a friend?
Is it what is actually going tofill your cup?
Like just taking a moment togive yourself that space and
time to evaluate on what'sreally going to fill your cup
and focusing on three simplelittle things a day, Like even
that can be a great start withtrying to get the ball rolling
alongside, like your physiology,because you will learn as you
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kind of dive into those threesimple things a day, you might
align one of them with yourphysiology and it might not fit.
Maybe it's like I wanted to goto this really hard bootcamp
class with my friend and youwake up and you're like you know
what I'm at this point in mycycle and my energy is here and
this isn't going to work.
And when you can start todiscern that it just starts to
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become this really great gift inyour wellness and this level of
permission and embracing thatyou're really in charge and you
can start to craft what feelsgood to you day in and day out.
So that's kind of where I wouldsay to start is tracking
physiology, symptoms, energy,where are you at, mood wise, and
then picking three simple waysto pour into yourself day to day
and just start there.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That's such a great place to start and I'm curious
too do you have a favorite wayfor women to track their cycle?
Is there like an app?
Do you do paper?
I'm sure you have your own way,but, like if they're new to
this, where would you have themstart?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
If you are brand new, I love the Stardust app.
They have a great free app.
I haven't heard of that one.
Yeah, it's called Stardust.
The reason it's cool is you cantrack your cycle or, if you're
not cycling for some reason, youcan track the moon.
It gives like the whole mooncycle right in there.
It's all integrated.
The free capability is morethan enough and you can track
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symptoms, you can track mood,you can track all of those
things energy, where you're at.
If you want to pay for the paidversion, there's like all these
kinds of deeper things inside ofthe app as far as capabilities
to kind of help you understand,like, where your hormones at,
why might you be feeling the wayyou are?
How do you potentially sharethis with a partner or your
spouse or something like that,so they're kind of aware?
(44:27):
Like that is a really greatplace to start.
I love that app.
I have some paper trackers andstuff.
Honestly, you can download pdfseverywhere.
Yeah, it's just kind of whatworks for you, like are you a
visual person and do you likepen to paper or can you do it
more digitally on an app?
But I would say like the key islike just trying to start to
get consistent with it so youcan identify again mood, energy,
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symptoms and really how you'refeeling day to day.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You're a Google sheets girl.
Sorry a Google calendar girl.
You can keep track on yourGoogle calendar.
I use, I like, the periodtracker app for tracking.
I'm trying to think I want tosay it's the flow app.
Yeah, the flow app is anothergood one that kind of like
teaches you about your differentphases and it kind of gives
some hints, because I know, forme too one of the cool things
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when you're paying attention tothis, you might also go to do
one of those self-care thingsthat day and you're like, oh,
that's too slow and low andboring.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Like you might find yourself going to do something
that's like a slow health andfind like, oh, I want something
faster.
Like instead of going for awalk, I actually want to go do
like heavyweights with some rapmusic.
Like what actually feels goodcan sometimes be like faster or
slower than what you hadoriginally planned, so I love
that like daily checking in.
(45:39):
I'm curious really quick if youcan speak to women who are on
birth control and like as far astracking their cycles when
they're not technically reallyhaving a real cycle.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, they're not technically cycling.
So my understanding andeverything that I've learned
from the experts that I workalongside is when you're taking
birth control, it essentiallyjust depresses or suppresses
your hormone fluctuation.
So it's really hard to reallyunderstand exactly what's
happening with your physiologywhen you're on something like
birth control.
However, you can still mooncycle.
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You can still track the energyof the moon and see what you can
potentially identify alongsidethe lunar cycle.
I will say, most often it'spretty tough because, again,
you're in that kind of depressedstate and your hormones are not
fluctuating the way theytypically do or they
synergistically do when they'rein the natural physiological
cycle.
(46:34):
But that would be my bestadvice is, if you're someone who
just wants to even start toslowly get in tune with what
your body or how your physiologyis potentially ebbing and
flowing, follow the moon alittle bit and see how you can
potentially start to identifythings.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Well, even as you were talking I was just thinking
too you can still track yourcycle and see if there's
specific.
You know cause it's going todepend what you're on.
There's so many different typesof medication but you could
start seeing what your trendsare and what you're feeling,
depending on where you're at inthe pills or, you know, whatever
that might look like for you.
But even just witnessing yourcycles of health and noticing
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what's going on with me and howam I feeling internally and I
think that's the important part,because I think there's so many
women who have learned how tohigh function and over function
and essentially bypass what'sactually happening internally
it's like you've just learnedhow to high function over what's
happening for you.
(47:33):
So even just taking that timeto check into how you're feeling
so even just taking that timeto check into how- you're
feeling your hunger, your energy, your.
You know I was, I'm trying to oh, I can't think of what I was
listening to.
Oh, it was Dirty Alchemy's book.
(47:54):
What is it?
Oh, it's literally right infront of me Regenerative.
It was Regenerative Business bySam Garcia, and she was talking
about like a woman's cycle, isher fertility like her fertility
, like her sex drive, her, likeall of those things.
So it's like checking into thedifferent facets of your fertile
wellbeing.
Yeah, even if you're not tryingto have babies, yeah, exactly
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one big thing too if thingsaren't working, you'll be aware
of it before you hit thismassive, crazy, big burnout.
I think so.
So many women.
I think we see it a lot in ourculture and I don't know if you
see this, but I think it'sactually weirdly.
(48:54):
People profit off of the cyclesof burnouts because there's this
whole thing in the coachingrealm where they're like I had
this six-figure business and Iburnt out, here's how I'm
rebuilding.
And then they like rebrand theirrebuilding but they never talk
about the fact that they justhad this massive amount of
burnout that crashed theirbusiness and their whole lives
and it's like well, wait, Idon't know about you, but I'm
(49:16):
like I'm not trying to get there, like I'm trying to do this
without burning out right asmuch as possible.
You know, there's always likethe human cycles of like death
and rebirth and, yeah, thosemini, might minuscule, like um
prescribed burns, if you will,yeah, where small little things
(49:36):
burn out, but you, you notice itsooner you smell the smoke, you
see the smoke and you go, ohhuh, something is trending in a
direction before it becomes thischronic thing where there's
like all of this deep work.
I mean, I know, when I'mworking with women it's like
sometimes we're unpacking yearsof stuff that has been ignored
(49:57):
and it's complex and it'scomplicated and it's confusing.
It's like sometimes we'reunpacking years of stuff that
has been ignored and it'scomplex and it's complicated and
it's confusing and it'soverwhelming because it's taken,
it's been so long andeverything's intertwined and I'm
thinking with health.
There's that similar thread ofyou start paying attention to
the subtleties and you're ableto catch it quicker and shift
and move with it.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, that's maybe the biggest gift you can give
yourself.
I really believe that I haveand hold a lot of regret because
of how burned out I let myselfbecome and I was always striving
for more and trying to hit thenext goal and trying to be the
next.
You know, whatever I wanted todream up as success and I missed
(50:39):
a lot of things.
And you know, my kids are oldernow and I hold some level of
regret because I wasn't payingenough attention to the signs of
trying to just overdo it andpower through to the point of
completely neglecting what Ireally truly needed and I see
this with my clients.
I've obviously experienced itmyself and you're right, rebecca
(51:01):
, like it's something inside oursociety that we need to keep
talking through, because whenyou can get to a place where you
understand yourself enough toknow this is not the time for me
to push.
I know maybe this is the time topush or this is the time to
strive here or this is the timeto get to the next thing, but if
I can ebb and flow in a waythat helps you stay in this
(51:21):
place of feeling imperfectlybalanced, if you will, you won't
hit that place of burnout andyou won't potentially miss out
on things that you may never gettime back for.
And, as a coach, it breaks myheart when women go through this
, because I've seen it happenand I've also gone through it,
and I just want to make surethat women are slowly feeling
empowered to understand that weare meant to show up in our
(51:45):
lives in a way that feelsfulfilled and grounded, and if
we are going after all of thethings or showing up in our life
in a way that actuallysacrifices our personal wellness
, like we're missing it, in theend we're missing.
We're missing the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
That's so good.
That permission that you justgave is so good, because I think
it's interesting.
There's a certain piece of mybusiness that I've been pushing
and I like was voxering myfriend the other day and I was
like I feel like I'm just likepushing this boulder up a hill
and I was telling her.
And I was like I feel like I'mjust like pushing this boulder
up a hill and I was telling her.
I was like I want to just letit go, but I like also want to
just keep pushing, and I know Ican keep pushing.
(52:24):
That's the thing.
Yeah, I know I can keep going.
I know I can get this boulderup the hill if I push hard
enough and long enough.
And as you were talking, I wasjust like who, if I was sitting
across from a woman and she toldme that I would be like is that
what you want?
Is that like really what youwant and need?
Because there I think I thinkwomen who have learned you know
(52:49):
you were sharing your story Ithink women who have learned how
to work hard and how to doubledown when things get hard, I
think it can feel scary,anxiety-inducing, awkward, weird
, uncomfortable when we startletting balls roll down the hill
when we start pushing the brakeand not the gas, when we start
(53:13):
honoring that we want thingsthat we aren't willing to
sacrifice what it takes tocreate that.
I think we have a culture thatsays you can have it all, and
I'm like, yeah, there's a costthough.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
There's a cost.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
There's a cost and some people have the privilege
to pay that cost, some peoplehave it, and there's all those
different levels of capacity, oftime and energy, and who your
partner is, and how healthy yourkids are, and the family
support and the financial.
And you know, did you alreadystart with money when you went
to do this?
(53:49):
Did?
Did your partner?
You know there's, there's somany things that go underneath,
like can we have it all and howdo we build it?
But I think there's this reallyimportant conversation of like
what is the the cost and are youwilling to pay it?
And also like the longevity ofyour health.
It's like do you want this builton the back of something that's
(54:09):
pretty fragile?
You know, when we're buildingsomething with that much
cortisol and stress andintensity, it's like it doesn't
have this root, deep roots ofhealth.
And like thinking back intonature of like you know my, we
never tore out my garden, soit's all just like really gross
(54:32):
and dead.
But I've actually really lovedit this winter because it's
reminded me that like there is apurpose in seasons where, like
it can't always just be growthand expansion.
All of the time there has to bethese seasons where things die
off or there are no's said togood things so that we can
create this deep, rich soil,this healthy, fertile ground
(54:55):
that when spring comes, it's notlike devoid of all nutrients
and it doesn't matter what weplant in it, it'll die and
listen.
I'm not even a gardener, buteven I know that it's like there
has to be this composting,there has to be this nutrients,
and I love what you're doing forwomen, because I think you're
teaching them how to build that.
You're teaching them how tobuild up this, like you've said,
(55:19):
that inside out health.
That really matters and helpsthem be more present.
So thank you for doing what youdo and just for sharing.
I feel like there were so manygood things that you shared in
here.
I'm curious if there'ssomething coming up in you that
we didn't touch on or somethingelse you would say to wrap this
conversation.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
To wrap this conversation.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
I would say what did we miss?
Speaker 2 (55:45):
We didn't.
I feel like we unpacked a lot,which was so great, I think, for
me, from where I sit now in mylife I'm a 42-year-old woman and
man I have gone through somelayers in my own health, like
just chasing the wrong, justchasing all the wrong things,
like the aesthetic goal that inthe end didn't really fulfill me
(56:06):
the way I thought the extremes,the feelings of this is going
to help me feel happier orsuccessful or whatever, and I
can confidently tell you likenone of that is going to matter
in the end if you're not reallygetting deep rooted in what
makes you feel good.
Like you said, rebecca, like wehave to be building that house
(56:27):
of bricks.
We have to be really building afoundation that's going to
serve us for our longevity, andso sometimes it has to be this
concept of giving yourselfpermission to say like I've done
all that I can.
And now it's faith, now it'swhatever's meant to happen, now
it's trying to make sure thatI'm really taking a pause to
(56:49):
figure out how this feels,because I don't think we've done
it enough.
I think so often it's adifferent message and it's this
feeling of we have to do more inorder to prove something and I
just want women to know like youhave nothing to prove, like you
are amazing and unique andbeautiful just as you are, and
getting grounded in that inorder to empower your life and
(57:12):
empower your health is reallywhere I want women to focus most
.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
That is just so, so good.
And you know what's interesting?
My trick that I have for myselfand my clients is when you
can't find that for yourself, Iknow you can find it for your
kids.
I know you can look at yourlittle baby and be like you are
amazing just for existing.
And because you are amazing, Iwant you to be able to do all of
these different things.
You don't need to do all ofthese amazing things to prove
(57:41):
that you're amazing.
You just are worthy enough.
Incredible just by like.
You know, when you just likestare at those babies and they
do nothing but poop, cry andscream and eat.
And you just look at them andyou're like, how could anything
be more valuable than this?
Yeah, when you learn how tolive your life from the from,
this like at least, at first itmight not feel like it, but
(58:03):
that's why, like you externalizeit.
I'm like, okay, if I canbelieve this for her, how would
I act?
How would I show up?
How would I nourish her?
How would I feed her?
It's like it.
I think that's one of the giftsthat motherhood gives us is
that it creates this potent inyour face.
This is your worth.
This is when you look at thatlittle kid, you get to look at
(58:24):
yourself in a new way.
So thank you so, so much foreverything you shared.
It was so powerful.
I'm so excited to keeplistening to your podcast.
I listened to like a coupleepisodes the other day and it
was so good and I was like, oh,I'm so excited to have her.
So definitely go check outErin's podcast.
You're working with peopleone-on-one for the most part
right now, right.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yes, I have one-to-one coaching.
I also just recently launchedmy first group coaching program,
so I will have another round ofthat coming later this year.
But above all, like I just Ilove connecting with women.
I want to hear your story, Iwant to hear your truth, I want
to hear how your health feels inyour day-to-day and where you
feel like you need more support.
You know, that's what I'mpassionate about, and I would
love to connect with anyone thatwants to just kind of talk more
(59:06):
about Inside Out Wellness andnurturing your longevity as
women.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, thank you so much.
And, listeners, if you lovedthis podcast and you will, you
share it on social media.
Tag Aaron, tag me, send us a DM.
Let us know you listened.
If you have questions, we wantto hear your aha moments.
We truly do want to connectwith you.
Aaron, thank you so so much forbeing here.
I love this conversation thanks, rebecca.
Appreciate you, my friend thanksfor joining me on today's
(59:35):
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(59:55):
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