The Courage to Change When Success No Longer Lights You Up

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Success once meant strategy, systems, and performance. Now, it means truth, alignment, and peace.

This episode with Kristine Munro, founder of Illume Collective, explores what happens when your definition of success evolves-and your old identity can’t keep up.

We talk about the loneliness of pivot seasons, the power of honest community, and the nervous-system-level recalibration required to lead from authenticity.

Kristine shares how leaving a 20-year successful career, starting over in Denver, and allowing herself to feel like a failurebecame the doorway to her most aligned work yet.

This is the uncomfortable, powerful process of becoming and leadership: when growth looks less like climbing and more like returning.

In this episode Kristine and I dive deep and pretty raw about :

leaving a misaligned career and doing inner work

• founding Illume Collective in Denver, Co for in-person, service-first connection

• authenticity versus the strategic self

• caring what others think without self-betrayal

• polarity, belonging and relational maturity

• duality, luteal season and nervous system reset

• journaling and creative renewal in the hard days when failure is a part of success

• detaching identity from business entities

• human design, potency and aligned formats

• an exclusive look into the next era of Illume and Kristines gifts

• mastermind details and final enrollment window for her Community Builder Mastermind 

Learn more about Kristine and her Community Builder Mastermind Here

Kristine Munro is Host of The Pivot to Passion Podcast She helps women entrepreneurs go from unfulfilled to aligned. Finding clarity on your path to passion and purpose.

Kristine has been on this entrepreneurial journey for over a decade, and spent most of those years feeling unfulfilled, searching for passion and purpose. She became an expert in her field, built a 7-figure business and left it all to start from scratch, pivoting her way to follow her heart and purpose. And now she is doing it all again. 

If you’re ready to stop living on autopilot and start leading your life with deep presence, I’d love to work with you. Book a free interest call here: Click Here

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
I'm Becca, a somatic healingpractitioner and a holistic life
coach for moms, and this podcastis for you.
You can expect honestconversations and incredible
guests that speak to healthhealing and growth in every area
of our lives.
This isn't just strategy forwhat we do, it's support for who
we are.
I believe we can be wildlyambitious while still holding

(00:25):
all of our soft and hardhumidity as.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Well, three years now because we are already
heading into December.
So we'd be.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
None of my friends could go.
And I was just like, you knowwhat?
I'm just gonna go alone.
And I think it was one of thefirst big events that I went
alone to.
And the women I met there wereso incredible.
And just going to an event alonewhere it's just me and it's just
kind of like, okay, who am Iwhere nobody knows me?

SPEAKER_02 (01:31):
Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
And it was so good.
But will you introduce yourselfand who you are?

SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
Yes.
First of all, thank you so muchfor having me.
It's been over the last threeyears such a joy and a pleasure
to know you.
So I am so excited to be on thispodcast.
So thank you for inviting me.
But I am Christine Monroe.
I am the founder of the IllumCollective here in Denver,
Colorado.
I moved here seven years agofrom Canada, not knowing anyone.

(02:02):
And I was also, that's why Ilove your perspective of like,
where can I go where I don'tknow anyone?
And I was really excited to moveto a city where I could start
fresh.
I didn't know anyone.
Because I really wanted to startfrom scratch again because I was
in a 20-year career that I knewit wasn't for me, but I didn't
know what.
So it was like I need to bearound people that I don't know

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and try something new.
Whereas other people around me,especially my friends and family
back in Canada, who were like,Well, you don't know anyone
there.
Like, why would you move there?
Or aren't you scared?
And you know, it's the commonfear that most people have, and
they're just, you know,projecting their fears and
worries because nobody likes theunknown.

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But for me, it was really,really exciting.
But until I got here, and Ireally started from scratch,
really going on this self-justdiscovery journey.
Because if I didn't have my20-year career, and now I'm not
around friends and family orwhat's familiar to me, then I
was excited at first, but thenit soon became well, who the

(03:05):
fuck am I?
Who am I?
What am I doing?
And then you I went through thislike identity crisis.
And so it's great because itpushed me into doing the deep
work to really find myselfagain.
And so when I did, I really wason this quest to find what am I

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here for?
What's my purpose?
What do I want to do in thisworld?
And as hard as it was, becauseI'm sure you and your listeners
know about the inner work, likeas hard as it is, it was so
beautiful on the other side.
And the Alum Collective wascreated out of that.
I love doing, like working whatI love to do.
It's what I always wanted, liketo have a job where it didn't

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feel like work.
Yeah.
And so that has been basicallywhat I love to bring people
through in terms of findingthemselves and finding their way
home, but also connecting peopleand being in community, because
that's really what I needed whenI first moved here.

SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
Yeah.
I'm curious, looking back thenand then looking to now, how has
community and connection changedfor you?
Like has your idea, not justlike as the leader, but like
what you look for in connectioncommunity, has that changed?
Like what how is that changingfor you?

SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
Hmm, that's such a good question.
Because obviously there's a lotof things that have changed in
the last.
So Illum is now about in Januarygoing to be four years old,
which is crazy to me.
Like time goes by so fast whenyou're having fun.
And at the time when I built it,is we were coming out of the
pandemic.
And so it came out of a need ofyes, I needed friends that were

(04:44):
like-minded and wereentrepreneurs and were doing the
things I was doing.
But also it's because we reallywere craving in-person
connection because we wereisolated for so long.
And entrepreneurship in itselfis isolating, it can be
isolating, but then you add thepandemic to that, and it was
like extra.
And so community back then wasyes, we need to be around

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people, like-minded people tobring us to where we want to go,
but we also need to just forceourselves to come out of like
isolation.
And really that in-personconnection of just being with
each other, forget about likeentrepreneurship or you know,
whatever you have in common.
It's like we just need to be inperson with people.

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And so that's what connection,like that's what connection and
community was for me at thattime.
I mean, that still is thefoundation of community for me
is being around expanders, beingaround people.
However, it's changed for me interms of being intentional on

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why and what you do in thesespaces as well.
And so for people to just say,like, I'm gonna come to a
networking event and I'm gonnacome and promote my business, or
that's usually when you think ofnetworking.
Like, I want to like expose mybusiness and I want more people
to know about me.
So I'm gonna come pass mybusiness card around and

(06:12):
basically sell myself.
Like this is what I do.
Whereas I always, and I see thismore and more, where it's can we
come into a space where yes, andthat is a great goal to have.
Like, of course, we want moreeyes on our business.
Of course, we want to sellourselves because we have
something of value.
But when you can come into aspace where the intention is,

(06:37):
how can I help somebody?
How can I serve somebody with mygifts and support somebody and
connect with someone on a deeperlevel?
That in turn, the result is whatyou're going to get.
Instead of I'm gonna just passmy business card around and
hopefully somebody remembers meand needs a photographer and

(06:57):
will call me.
But nine out of ten times that'snot really typically how it
works.
It works, we we tend torecommend each other or hire
somebody because of you feelconnected to that person.

SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:11):
Or somebody who you know feels connected to that
person and recommended thatperson, right?
And so for me, community isalways about what's your
intention, what do you want toget out of it?
And yeah, and it's just reallylike how can we serve other
people?
How can we be of service toother people?

SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
Yeah.
Well, and you've you've, I haveto say, you've done such an
incredible job with that, with aloom.
And I mean, it's why I drove sofar to the because it's your
stereotypical networking events.
I can do that, but like it doesnot light me up.
It doesn't inspire me.
That is just I could die athaving extroverted, high-level

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conversations, high level beinglike, hi, what do you do?
Hi, what do you do?
But like neither of us are theregetting to know each other and
like actually connecting withthe human being who's building
the business or like what lightsthem up about it, what drives
them, what where are they stuck?
Those are the kind ofconversations that I think so
many entrepreneurs and even justwomen are dying to have of like

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being seen and witnessed andhaving a space where you can not
only come and express yourself,but even like develop that
authenticity and get to knowother women.
I'm curious.
We had we had talked about apost that you had made the other
day that I absolutely lovedabout authenticity.

(08:38):
What does that mean to you andwhat does it not mean?
Because I think I think itthere's like so many different
levels to this, and people usethe word authenticity all the
time.
But I think it's such a powerfulthing when we're talking about
community because we want acommunity where people are
authentically themselves andwhere we feel authentic.
But what does that look like andmean to you?

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
Oh, I love this question so much because yes,
it's a word that's been thrownout.
It's like almost like you justthrow it out there like it's
just so easy to be authentic.
Yeah, like, oh, like, okay, likeso easy.
No, it's actually the hardestthing that you ever have to do.
And so what authenticity meansto me is really we have to learn
what is even authentic to us,because we have grown up in a

(09:25):
world where we have to have wehad to be the opposite of
authentic.
We had to be our strategic selfin order to be accepted and
loved by other people.
It is a basic human need to beaccepted and loved by and want
that from other people.
Like if you think about whenyou're a baby, basically a baby
to survive, yes, they need food,but they need touch.

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Like if you just left a baby andfed it but didn't touch it and
didn't like, you know, give itlove or anything like that, it
would not survive.
It just need you, we need thatconnection with other people.
And so it is a human nature thatwe will morph ourselves or do
things unconsciously that wedon't even know we're doing to

(10:07):
try to fit in with other people,to try to be accepted by other
people.
And so sometimes then along theway, we get lost in terms of who
is this that's behaving this wayto be accepted versus who's the
real me?
Because oftentimes, whether weknow it or not, it's we think

(10:27):
like if we actually do thethings we want to do that feel
right to us in our hearts, we'relike, oh, I don't want to do
that because I'm gonna bejudged.
I don't want to do that becauseI won't be accepted.
When really that's your trueself.
And if you're not accepted foryour true self, then you're not
really truly accepted.
It's all surface level, it's allstrategic.

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And so that's why I say when youstart to learn who really you
truly are, and you wanna comeout and fully express yourself
in that, knowing that you'regonna be judged, knowing that
you may not be accepted incertain circles, that's where I
say authenticity is the hardestjob because now you are
expressing your true authenticself with the risk that

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somebody's gonna judge me,somebody's not gonna like me,
which is going to happen, butyou do it anyway.
And that's authenticity.
When you can stand in your truthand stand in knowing who you
are, knowing that you're notgoing to be accepted by other
people.
And so part of life isunderstanding the two selves,

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which is the strategic self.
What did you do that wasn't youto fit in?
And then who is your true self?
And then how can you navigatethrough life to step into your
authentic self despite all thethings that are going to come in
your way of that?
And that's why you are in mydoor number three mastermind,

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which is door number three, andthe concept of door number three
is we always have a choice.
Like, am I going to be myauthentic self?
But then, oh, maybe I won'tbecause I'm gonna upset this
person, or I'm gonna leave thisperson behind, or this person is
going to judge me.
So I'm just going to peopleplease or do the things so that

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I can still fit in with thisperson.
I can still be liked, and thenwe deny our authenticity.
Right.
And so to actually choose yourauthentic self means that the
door number three is we chooseourselves and we are going to
hurt people along the way.
We're gonna accept that we'regonna hurt people along the way,
we're going to offend people,we're going to be judged, but we

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do it anyway.
So it's like the hardest door togo through.

SPEAKER_01 (12:40):
Do you feel like this was a huge part of some of
that inner work that you did?
Like, did this, did authenticityand choosing that true self, did
that come easy to you, or do youfeel like you had to like work
at that?

SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Oh my gosh.
So, no, I always have to work atit.
Like, yeah, even to this day.
It's like I I and I believe thatanybody who says that they're
fully authentic and fullyembodied, and they don't, and
then it's easy for the rest oftheir lives, I like call
bullshit.
It's just not possible.
Like we are an onion that likeis peeled and and not that

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there's anything to fix aboutus, but it's just like we're
constantly evolving.
And we have lots of lives thatwe lived and lots of
conditioning that like once wehealed one part of us, then it's
like, oh, then we learnedsomething else that like we're
here to learn lessons and we'rehere to evolve and grow.
So how are you going to continueto evolve and grow if you're
already like complete?

(13:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
You mentioned right, yeah.
You mentioned like the risk andespecially like other people's
feelings and like hurting theirfeelings or hurting their
worldview or losing that.
Like, what are your thoughts onlike other people's feelings and
pretending not to care?
Because I feel like I constantlysee the like you shouldn't care
what other people think, or whenyou heal from people pleasing,

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you stop caring what otherpeople think.
And it's like I deeply careabout what other people think.
Yes, you just have to like alsoattune to what I think, and it's
not my job to behave based offof their worldview, right?

SPEAKER_00 (14:10):
It's my worldview, but I still care what they think
and feel, of course, yes, andthat's why, yes, and that was
the post that you're referringto.
The post was giving zero fucksis bullshit, like because we are
humans, and if you don't careabout somebody else's feelings
or the the natural need that wehave to be accepted and liked,

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of course we care.
Of course we care.
Like, do you not have feelingsor emotions?
Like we care, but are we goingto let it stop us?
Are we going to hint let ithinder us from doing the things
even though it might hurt them?
Even though, and so yes, I'velost friends along the way.

(14:55):
I've you know, I've had to dothings where people are going to
be upset or they don't agree orthey think I'm weird.
Like I've had to do that, and ofcourse I care what they think,
but I care more about myself.
And so am I going to deny myselffor them, or am I going to still

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hold space and I'm sorry youfeel that way.
And they're on their ownjourney.
And so for the friends that I'velost, they're on their journey
where we weren't a fit anymore.
We weren't a match anymore ifthey didn't want to, I guess,
accept or judge me for my truth.

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And I have to, and it was sohurtful, like very, very
hurtful.
And I'm still hurt till thisday.
But it's one of those thingsthat I know, even though I'm
hurt, you can okay, this is likethe duality of like emotions and
feelings.
I can be hurt that I lost thosefriends and still be happy that

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they are not meant to be in mylife anymore.
And they are not part of myevolution of where I'm going.

SPEAKER_01 (16:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:14):
And I'm not part of theirs.
Yeah.
And so you can feel both sidesof the coin for that.
And so I think that the more wedeny ourselves, the more we push
our own feelings under the rugfor somebody else, is when we
start to feel, you know, is whendepression kicks in, or is when

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like we start to like feel likesomething's not right,
especially in our bodies, whenpeople start to feel sick, or
that's what happens when we arenot living our soul's purpose,
living our truth, living ourauthenticity, our
self-expression of who we are,because that's who we came here
to be, but it's so hard to do.

SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
Yeah, it's it's like I'm trying to think of Brene
Brown's words because I feellike she has the best words for
like belonging.
But I think of it as like thereused to be these tables that I
would sit at, and I was veryhighly aware, not just
cognitively, but like my bodyknew these parts of me aren't
welcome at this table.
These questions, theseperspectives, these parts of me,

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they aren't welcome here.
Not just by what was obviouslytalked about and shamed and like
judged at the table prettyopenly, but by what was
rewarded.
And it was so interesting.
There was one day where therewas this discussion happening.
And I remember sitting theregoing, I don't even want to talk
about this because I can't bringthis.

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And this was what this was thetopic was like about sexuality
and like how we teach our kids.
And all of a sudden I wassitting there and I was like,
oh, this is a hill I'm willingto die on.
This is this is actually a topicthat I'm willing to walk away
from tables about because theway that you are talking about
it, I would never say that to mydaughter.
And I fundamentally disagree,but I can't even bring that to

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this table.
I can't even bring that likeobjection or that disagreement.
But there's other tables, andthis is my heart when I'm
building community.
I have a room of women who likefundamentally disagree with each
other on several pretty bigthings.
But what is beautiful about thiscommunity of women, they can sit
there and see you with all ofyour parts and not have to

(18:23):
agree, not have to see it thesame.
They can love you and acceptyou.
And I think that's truebelonging is being with people
who I might, I might not like itor I might disagree.
There might be some tension andconflict there, but I I can
literally love that for you.
Yes, and truly and trulygenuinely like love you, not

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just tolerate you.
And I think I think more andmore we're creating these
polarity groups where peopledon't have a fundamental, what
is it?
Like a fundamental deepbelonging where it's not just
that we think alike, it's thatwe're willing to see each other

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in the way that we're coming,like the worldview that we're
coming with and being open andcurious about it.
Yes, not just always it beingwrong.
I'm curious if that's somethingthat's showing up for you in
community, because I do feellike it is becoming harder for a
lot of people to feel like allparts of them aren't pissing

(19:24):
other people off.

SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
Yeah, no, I totally feel that.
I was actually at a dinner withsome girlfriends where we were
talking about this polarity withother people's opinions,
especially in politics, which Idon't really want to go into
politics because we all knowwhat I'm talking about when we
talk about polarity.
Yeah.
And but I think what I loveabout the circles that I'm in or
choose to surround myself in andcommunity is that we all have

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different opinions.
But the like no matter what sideof the coin or you are on or
what opinions you have, but whatI do love is what you exactly
shared is that we can say, Ilove to hear the other side
because I'm open to what's yourperspective and how do you look

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at it?
And then I get to discern, hmm,do I believe or not believe, but
do I can I see it from yourperspective?
Can I understand where you'recoming from?
Can I maybe choose to see it adifferent way and open my eyes
to something new?
And and not and just sharingthose different ideas, and
that's where we have forgottenin community to be open and be

(20:33):
accepting of everyone'sviewpoint instead of having your
own, I guess, opinions that ifyou think that way and you don't
think what I think, like wecan't have a conversation, we
can't like be open.
And that every like, is itreally realistic that everybody
in this entire world has thesame truth and the same opinion?

(20:56):
That would be very boring.
And how do we learn anything ifwe all just thought and behaved
the same way?

SPEAKER_01 (21:02):
Yeah, there's an empathy and a curiosity, and I
think too, a relational maturityof being able to listen and
understand and not always makeit about you either, and being
able to see the health andpolarities.
Like so many women, I thinkbalance is finally trending out.

(21:23):
Do you feel like, don't you feellike in the coaching world,
especially, like the wordbalance has been on every single
form that anyone's ever filledout for me?
Like everyone wants to reallybalanced.
Oh, and when I see that word,I'm like, but I think people
don't understand the way that wefind balance, internal or
external, is by likeunderstanding and learning the

(21:44):
health of your polarities.
There's probably a health and amedicine in both polarities,
maybe not in the extremes,right?
But like for the most part, likeyou're gonna find quote unquote
balance by your polarities.
And sometimes your life istilted in such a way that you're
going to need to lean into onepolarity to have it be

(22:05):
healthier.
So balance isn't this just like,oh, you're always this one way.
There's a changing relationshipto yourself in life.
And I think that's what I'mhearing too, as a theme, not
only in authenticity for you,but in curiosity in community of
being willing to learn andchange and shift and meet life

(22:27):
where it is and where you are.

SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, it's constantly changing,it's constantly evolving.
And are we willing to morph andchange and and and go with that
flow, you know, instead of beingrigid in our way of thinking, or
it has to be this way, or Itruly believe like everyone has

(22:53):
their truth, and no, not onetruth is the right truth.
Like we all have we're allpieces to a big pu bigger
puzzle, and we're meant to havedifferent truths.

SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
And so I never like you can stand firm and know what
your truth is, but I know thatI'm not gonna convince somebody
else that my truth is your truthand should be.
It's what what's yours?
And you know, where can we learnfrom each other?

SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
Yeah, it's all such different, it's being able to
witness those differentperspectives and viewpoints on
life, which I think is such a Ithink it's a tenet of healthy
community.
I'm curious as yourauthenticity, it sounds like
your authenticity, I mean, Ieven see it in you, Christine.
Like I can see it and feel it oflike, ooh, Christine is even

(23:44):
more Christine.
Like you're like, you're morepotent, and I love like you're
more of you, which I love.
I'm curious, like, has thatimpacted the way that you lead
and the way that you buildcommunity?
Like, how is that changingthings for you right now?

SPEAKER_00 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean, okay.
I have to think about this onebecause it it's a little bit not
shocking.
I think it I just love hearingthat because I always want to
like evolve and and step moreinto my authenticity as I as I
evolve and grow.
And and to know that you werejust in a container that we were

(24:27):
in together, what what was iteven now?
Like just the beginning of thisyear.
Beginning of this year.
It feels like forever ago, butyeah, just the beginning of this
year.
And to say, like you've noticedthe change, like yes, some
things have shifted in me.
I can even feel since thebeginning of this year.
And I just think that the morewe are self-expressed, because I
do feel like I wasself-expressed before, but I

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know that each time more of myself-expression can come out,
the more potent and the morelike I'm meant to bring out
more.
And I guess the people that I'mmeant to be around I guess get
to be in that energy.
Like we just get to like learnfrom each other in my next
evolution of what I am bringingto the world.

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And so that really excites me.
I do feel like it still takes,like, let's be real.
I am shifted, I am moreself-expressed, I do feel like
I'm more authentic than I waslike six months ago, and I will
continue to be as I until I die.
But on Saturday, I had a reallyshitty day.

(25:35):
A shitty day where my husbandand I got into an argument, and
it's like I started toself-doubt like what I'm doing
in work and all the things, andI knew I was like going down a
downward world spiral.
Like I was like, I just want tobe in bed, I don't want to do
any housework, I just feel sorryfor myself.

(25:56):
And before those days used toreally take me out to the point
where I'd be like, Why am Ifeeling this way?
I thought I was ahead, I thoughtI was doing great, I thought I
was more authentic.
And so why am I now feelingshitty and low again?
But again, this is the dualitywhere I was feeling shitty and

(26:18):
low.
And I was like, This sucks.
I hate feeling like this.
But then there was like, I'mgoing to just allow myself to
feel this today.
I'm going to lay in bed and notdo anything and be okay with
that.
And it sucked, like it really,really sucked.

(26:39):
And it took me a whole day toand part of the next morning.
So it's not like I woke up and Iwas like, I'm amazing because I
rested.
It still bled into the next day.
But I just took more time formyself to feel it and really be
in that shittiness.

(27:01):
And yeah, and then came out ofit.
I did a just a lot of sittingwith and just being with myself,
connecting to my higher self.
I do it a lot through meditationand being outside in nature.
So I was doing toggling betweenthe two and laying in bed.
So all those things all in one.
But once I did that, like whenyou can connect back to, and

(27:24):
this took a lot of practice todo it quickly, to connect back
to myself, my spirit, my higherself, to get back to embodiment
of like who I am and who mypower, because it's always
resides in us, right?
But yeah, sometimes wedisconnect from that.
And I just had to take the timeto connect back.

(27:45):
And a lot of times, especiallywith high-achieving women, and
I'm working with a lot of womenright now who are even like the
message coming through is like,you need to actually rest and do
nothing.
And they're like, absolutelynot.
Like, no, that makes them feeluncomfortable and horrified.
And I'm like, but really, it'sthe medicine where all the magic
happens.
But you can't just say that tosomebody and they're going to be

(28:08):
like, okay, because I was thatperson, right?
So it just takes, like, youknow, I don't know.
It, I don't know if it'spractice, what is it?
Because I still get there and Ineed to like recenter and come
back.
And so I am feeling, I think,extra self-expressed and extra
authentic today on a Mondaybecause I went through a shitty

(28:28):
fucking weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
I I actually think that's so powerful.
And I'm I am so so glad that youshared that.
I think so many women miss thepart that, like, that is also
authentic self.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
I I don't care how high achieving or successful or
functional or happy you are.
You need to be able to expressand experience.
And here's the thing that youshared.
You went through the experienceof I call it like the bottom of
the barrel, of like you have tolike let yourself experience

(29:04):
those emotions.
And when you hit the bottom ofthe barrel, you will find parts
of yourself that are actuallyvery fiery, very spicy.
Like you want to talk aboutmotivation.
Sometimes it's not in the likepushing through or like that
performance self.
It comes from letting yourselfget really, really low into

(29:26):
those emotions that we oftenlike think of as negative, but
actually are very, verypowerful.
I mean, some of my biggestturning points, personally,
professionally, they came aftera moment or a season where I was
willing to get really low,willing to like let myself truly
tell the truth about like,here's what I'm experiencing,

(29:48):
here's what I'm feeling.
Not what I'm Ludial.
Side note Ludial's different.
Ludial's like, okay, no, we'renot getting in bed, we're doing
the things, little troll bridgebridge, Becca, and my Head needs
to go chill the fuck out.
I'm not allowed to makedecisions about my business or
myself or my marriage when I'mluteal.
But if it's not luteal, I am inluteal right now, which is very

(30:12):
shocking.
But some I do okay.
Here's the other thing aboutLudial.
I work with mostly highfunctioners, and I will say I
hate luteal, but I do think thatsometimes for high functioners,
Ludial is a gift because you nolonger have the capacity to
override what you've beenignoring.
Like the things that you've beenplaying down, the things that

(30:34):
you've been like silver liningand like, oh, I've got this.
And you're like, so we're sogood at like, oh, this is just
pressure and it's fine, it'smaking me better.
And then Ludial like comes andlike kicks your feet out and is
like, sit down, cry a little.
Yes.
Complain a little.
Don't be grateful.
Don't be good.

(30:54):
Actually talk about the thingsthat feel like shit right now.
Be insecure, be whiny, bevulnerable.
For women who like don't givethemselves permission to be that
ever.
I think sometimes Ludial can bethis like unwanted gift.
Yeah.
Medicine that tastes bitter forhigh functioners.

SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
I do want to say, I do want to say this because it's
easy now to be on the other sideand to say, like, I just felt my
feelings and then I was, and itwas shitty, and then I was
great.
Let me just say that when I wasin it and I was in bed and I was
ugly crying and I was reallyfeeling like shit.
I'm so disconnected at thatpoint that I am not thinking,

(31:36):
oh, this is great because onceI'm here, I'm gonna be on the
other side and it's gonna beamazing.
No, when you're in it, you're init and you're not thinking
anything positive in there.
You're like, this fucking sucks,and I can't like I want to just
burn everything to the groundand I want to cancel everything,
and I want to just like yeah,wither away and like I'm not
doing anything anymore.

(31:57):
That's literally what washappening.
And so I just love being on theother side to talk about that.
That's really what washappening, and to remind myself,
I use these moments to like whenI'm back there, you think that
you're gonna remind yourselfthat this is great, this is
great, it's gonna be good on theother side.
No, there's no none of thathappening.
So I just know that just ridethe roller coaster and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:19):
And for for me, I have a rule for myself when I'm
in those moments, and it's whenit's when I can start feeling
that I don't see myself comingout the other side, or when I
start having the shame, theshame that comes in of like, oh,
this is so cringy andembarrassing.
I hope nobody knows I'm like, noone needs to know.
That if I have that, I have arule for myself that I must call

(32:41):
or text.
I have like a list of my likebest friends who I know won't
try to make me feel better.
They they won't try to get meout of it, but they will kind of
be these eyes on me of like, Ilove you, I got you, you're not
alone.
And also my people who like, Iknow that if I like because I
think I have a fear sometimesthat I'll stay there because I

(33:03):
have had seasons in my lifewhere like I just always lived
there.
And so when those parts of mecome up, there's a little bit of
fear of like, oh shit, I'mbacksliding, oh shit, I've lost
all progress.
And I have to just remind myselflike it's just momentary.
But that that piece of communityfor me, it's so hard.
Every time it feels sovulnerable, it feels so cringy,

(33:24):
it feels so stupid.
But just in that act of tellingthem, it changes something when
I'm in it because all of asudden it's not just like me
alone flailing.
I remember that like it gives methis tether of something outside
myself.
And yeah, that rule has been so,so powerful for me that like

(33:45):
then when I'm coming out of itand I need to process, or maybe
there is like there is somethingthat needs to come out of it.
I have people who can see me ina way that in that moment I
don't see myself correctly.
Yes, like I sometimes can loseperspective.

SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
Totally.
I love that, and I'm the sameway.
I love like who can I call tolike vent or like basically just
word vomit everything.
And I'm so glad that I havepeople in my life to hold space
for me in that way.
And I it's funny because thisweekend I I actually did think
about that.
I was like, who do I call?
I need to call somebody, butthis time I did something

(34:23):
different, which I didn't callanybody.
I had my husband, so I feel likethat was my one let release of
just yeah, spew on him.
And then, but I journaled somuch this weekend.
You had you.
Oh my god.
I journaled so like basically Ihad to start a new book.
I journaled the shit out ofstuff, and that also is a way of

(34:47):
releasing and getting it outthere and allowing your
subconscious thoughts to comethrough.
And that's where I had abreakthrough of something in my
journal.
I've been journaling since I wasin grade seven.
I have the whole I have themall.
I love journaling, but I evenlose sight of like there are
goal, there will be months whereI don't journal.

(35:08):
Yeah.
I'm and but when I get back toit, it's like, oh, I just forget
sometimes how therapeutic it is.

SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
It's such a powerful practice because it brings
awareness to the things we'renot really paying attention to,
especially those of us who areso good at being productive and
producing and like doing things.
Yeah, like we forget to likeslow it down and think about
like, what is it that I'm doing?
Do I even like it?
Is it working?

(35:34):
Like, is it producing the thingthat I want to produce?
Because especially once youbecome successful, it's so easy
to just keep doing that whenyou're like, oh, wait,
emotionally, spiritually, notworking for me anymore.
Oh, schedule-wise, not workingfor anymore.
But you were like, oh, I justgot like in this habit of doing
these things.
And that's why it's so importantto like slow it down sometimes,

(35:55):
have those reflection times,have those moments of again,
authentic self, but it'ssomewhat that like cringy self
that like it's not very pretty,it's not productive.
It's and for a lot of us, it'sinconvenient and it's
uncomfortable, but it's also sopowerful and important in our
lives.

SPEAKER_00 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah.
I do want to just say too, like,I I I hear what you're saying
about those cringy parts of usbecause we were, and that's
where the shame comes through oflike, oh, if I'm behaving this
way, if I'm ugly crying, and ifI'm like down in my bed and not
being productive, then that'scringy or but that's is that
cringier if that's what we wereconditioned to believe was,

(36:38):
right?
And so that's the other part ofauthenticity is yeah, parts of
us are quote unquote cringy, butare they really but uh yeah, to
somebody.

SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
Who cringes?
Who cringes when I'm doing that?
Not the people who love me,right?
Not them, not me when I seeanother woman doing that.
I don't cringe, I think, oh, Ilove her even more, I know her
even more.

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
Right.
And can we then love ourselveswhen we are in those moments to
say, like, this is a beautifulthing that you're doing?
I like listen, I get it.
Like, this is what I'm stilllearning is that in the moment,
I'm not doing that to myself.
I'm not, I'm not talking tomyself in that way.
But yeah, I think it's justthere's a higher part of me

(37:21):
that's just like, okay, we'rejust gonna like get quiet and
see what's there.

SPEAKER_01 (37:26):
Yeah.

unknown (37:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:29):
I love this conversation.
I'm curious for you, what likefeels like the next iteration of
community and authenticity foryou?

SPEAKER_00 (37:40):
Well, it's really it's funny because sometimes
when we build something with theintention of why we did it, and
then we start to lose sight ofthat because everything's
evolving and changing andgrowing, and it's getting busier
and bigger and and all thesethings.
I'm actually going back to theroots of why I created a loom.

(38:02):
And so it happened just lastweek.
You know, Jessa, Lynn, she didan Akashic reading for one of
our loom events for becauseeverything has energy.
And so what the Akashic recordsare is just it's like a it's an
energetic field where everyone'ssoul contracts, energy of
everything lives there, and sheaccesses it energetically.

(38:22):
And so everyone was there.
She wanted to read everybody'senergy for their business and
give them messages that theyneeded to hear.
If you've never been in one ofher circles, she has tapped in,
she knew things about everybodythat everybody was like, holy
shit, how did you know that?
It was nuts.
But what had happened there wasshe sat, she put everybody in
like a semicircle, and she evenknew, she even said to me, like,

(38:43):
whoever, because I was like, I'mgonna sit here because I feel
called to sit here.
And nobody was even in theirspots yet.
And she goes, I already knowwhoever's sitting in the this,
these two spots, like somethingbig is happening between them.
And I was like, Oh, crazy, like,cool.
Anyway, so everybody sat downand she was going around, and
then she pointed to the twopeople that were sitting in that
space where she knew, and shegoes, Something's happening to

(39:07):
the two of you.
You are do you guys know eachother?
And they're like, Yes, andthey're like, Are you guys
working on something together?
And they're like, Well, yeah.
And they're like, She goes, andit's like big, like something
major is happening between youtwo.
And then she's like, and I'mgetting really hot.
And then they were likesweating, and one of the girls
had to take off her shirt.
She's like, I'm getting reallyhot too.
And then they're like, Okay, butthey still weren't sharing what

(39:28):
they were working on, and wewere like, Well, what are you
guys working on?
And one was a photographer, andone was like in a like her
business, and they had a photoshoot together, but they did
like a boudoir shoot together,it wasn't part of the business,
and that's what was hot andheavy.
Yeah, but what ended uphappening was for them to work
on something together, thatshoot brought out something

(39:51):
creativity creativity in each ofthem, where the photographer was
saying, I've been stuckcreativity.
Why can't I say creativelycreatively, creatively?
Wow, see, okay, my brain doesthis too.
It's fine.
My God, no, my brain fog, that'sa whole other thing that I need
to talk about.
My brain fog anyway.
Yeah, she's like, I haven't beencreative for a while.
I've been having to tend to chatGBT for creative ideas, and I

(40:15):
was almost feeling guilty aboutit because I'm like, oh my god,
I'm just not coming up withthings, and I have to go to Chat
GPT for this.
And then she goes, but somethinghappened in their shoot together
where she didn't have to go toChat GBT, something just
downloaded and she had all thesecreative ideas for this shoot,
and the other girl, likefollowing these, like something

(40:36):
came through for her.
Anyway, so Jessica knew thatabout them.
They were saying like thiscollaboration was what they
needed, and that reminded me ofwhy I created a loom in the
first place.
Because when I first created aloom from the very first brunch
that we did, I said theintention was the people that
come into this room are meant tomeet the people that they're

(40:58):
meant to connect with, themessages that they need to hear.
I've always set that intention.
And every time we have an event,somebody says, Oh my god, I was
sitting next to this person atbrunch, and she just shared the
story with me that I definitelyneeded to hear to move on.
And like I love that and somuch.
And so I am a connector by myhuman design.
I am the connector, but myarchetype is the connector.

(41:20):
I am meant to create the spacewhere you are meant something's
in there for you.
Yeah, and like you said, like Ifelt called to be in that room
to not know anyone because youknew something's there for me.

SPEAKER_01 (41:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:34):
And you met Shauna in the bathroom, like you met so
many people, like that youseriously breastfeeding.
Yeah, in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
She was pumping, and I was like, Hey, can I hang out
with you while you pump?
And we had barely met, and sheshe was like, Oh my gosh, yes.
Which some people would be soawkward, but like I just
remember that season of like youmiss out on so many things.
And I was like, Hey, you'reobviously an extroverted gal.
Like, let's hang out while youpump.
And she's become like someone Ideeply adore and love.

SPEAKER_00 (42:02):
I know, isn't that so amazing?
And this is what I love.
And so what reminded me aboutthe space that I create, because
I've tried to like incorporatemy mission, which is my mission
in life is to bring people backhome to their authentic self.

SPEAKER_02 (42:18):
I love that.

SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
And and whatever that may be, and so that's a lot
of deeper work.
And so I started incorporatinginner work into Ilum things,
which is great.
I still love to do that.
And I started to incorporate alot of like my mentorship and
coaching to bring to do that,but I found that like that part
people weren't gravitatingtowards, and I was like, what's

(42:40):
going on?
Like, I'm trying to forcesomething, like fit a piece of
the puzzle that's not fitting.
And I realized at that moment atthe Akashic thing that, like,
no, my job with a loom, becauseI've always like sometimes we
attach ourselves to ourbusiness, which I tend to do
that.
I did that in my previouscareer.
Like, it's like we're one, andme and my business are one.

(43:02):
And it's like, stop doing that.
Like, my business is itsbusiness, and I am me.
Yeah.
And I'm always trying to mergethe two and the identities of
both, where okay, Ilum is aspace in a community where it's
still the same intention.
It's a space where people aregoing to be connected with the
people that they're meant to beconnected with for connection

(43:25):
and for whatever that happenswith them is for them.
And a loom can do that on it onits own in terms of like the
business.
I am no longer going to be theoperator of a loom.
I now know that I need a managerto manage a loom.

(43:48):
I still love it, and I will begoing to the events and I will
be doing all the things, butlike, and in terms of the face
of a loom, like that's not me.
A loom, it's its own thing.
And what I want, my mission isseparate.
I mean, and so the things I'mgonna, I'm really great at
creating spaces.

(44:08):
I'm gonna be bringing brunchesback and dinners and curated
experiences and retreats becausethat's what I'm good at for
people to connect in, and I wantto focus on that.
So I'm still gonna be buildingcommunity.
And then I'm going, and then Ihave this other whole thing
about like, you know, that I'vetaken like I was in a whole
year-long program for arelationship coaching.

(44:30):
I've done my life coaching, butthe the self-mastery was part of
the relationship.
But it's really myself as me, myidentity is I'm meant to be a
connector to yourself, helpingyou connect to yourself first
and foremost.
Yeah, that's the inner work,connecting to others, which is
community, and connecting tospirit, connecting to guides,

(44:52):
connecting.
I am a bridge.
And I shared this.
It's funny because on a podcastI had shared on my own podcast,
like I was going to, I wasknowing things.
So I went to like a psychicdevelopment course or whatever,
and I just realized that I knewmore things.
And then she got me to go into amediumship program, and I was

(45:13):
like, I don't want to talk todead people, but then she's
like, just to see your gifts,and then I went into that and
then I knew things.
Like I just was like, it wasshocking to me, and I didn't
know what to do with it becauseI'm like, okay, well, I have
this gift, but I don't reallyknow what to do with it.
Yeah, and I know what to do withit now, and now that I'm ready
and I know what to do with it,my the gifts have gotten

(45:35):
stronger, like way strong, yeah,almost overwhelmingly strong.
Yeah, and so I'm now gonna focuson my gift of connecting people
and curating events andseparate, like what that means
for helping other people connectto themselves, yeah, and to the
other side, and so that's kindof like where the evolution of

(45:56):
Christine and Ilum are going.
So, with that being said, Istill love community, but I'm
shifting even the way I'm doingthe mastermind with community
building.

SPEAKER_01 (46:10):
I I love that, and I'm sitting here, I feel like I
have so many different becauselike what one one I love the way
that your whole face lit up andyour whole body demeanor changed
when you said that like a loomis a separate thing than me, and

(46:32):
like what a beautiful thing,because I think so many women
can kind of develop a little bitof a codependent relationship
with our businesses where likeit can kind of take over who you
are as a person.
And I love that you're you'redefining it as a role and a job
that you fulfill, but alsoseeing that like there's this

(46:53):
separate connected, connected inrelationship, but there's a
separate entity that you want tobe more separate, it sounds like
in a beautiful, powerful waythat not only benefits you, but
also a loom.
Like I can see and hear for you,like I can even like feel the

(47:13):
energetic momentum of like howpowerful this will be in
community, you with a loom, butalso separate.

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
Yeah.
And they're all right.
And I've had these feelings oflike, okay, how can I like do
this, but also be part of aloom?
And it's like it's you have thisfear of letting go, but it's not
letting go.
I'm not letting go of like aloom.
I'm not gonna cancel it, I'm notgonna, you know, but it can

(47:44):
still do its thing the way it'smeant to, separate from my
identity.
So yeah, it's such a goodfeeling to come to that clarity.
And I'm so appreciative of you,and thank you for seeing that
and witnessing that in mebecause that is a gift that you
have also when you can holdspace for others and you can see
that in others, because when youcan see somebody's light that

(48:07):
easily, and I love seeing thatin other people too.
And so part of connecting peopleback to themselves and even
talking to people in a loom oranybody that I work with is they
will, do you know how often I'msure you get this a lot with the
people that you work with?
They will talk about like maybewhat they do, and then it's kind

(48:27):
of like, yeah, I do this, andthen their energy is kind of
like this, and they're talkingabout it, and then they start
talking about this other thingthat they're not doing, but that
like really lights them up.
And then then you see, like youphysically see a light in them,
and then they start talkingabout this other thing that's
like lighting them up.
And I'm always like, excuse me.
I don't know if you saw this ornoticed this, but when you're

(48:48):
talking about your business, youwere like, It's okay, very low
energy.
I'm like, I wasn't feeling likelit up even listening to you
talk about this, but you'redoing it because you're good at
it, or you're doing it becauseyou've been doing it for so
long, or you're just coastingalong, right?
Versus the thing that you reallywant to self-express and the
thing that you really want toput out into this world.

(49:09):
And listen, I'm not saying thisfrom a place of like, you're I I
did this for so long, like forthe last three years since I
even took this, like likelearned my gifts.
Like, I was doing that.
And the fact that I can feel itin me.
I'm like, what took me so long?
But really, sometimes it's likedivine timing.
I wasn't ready to do it at thattime.
Like, we have to go through thislike yeah birth canal season for

(49:34):
sure.
My birth canal season is a longtime.
Okay, I was in that canal.

SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
I one of it's so crazy.
I don't remember a ton of Biblestudy moments, but there was
this one Bible study I was inwhen my daughter was little and
we were doing a Bethmore study,and she was talking about how,
and you don't have to bereligious or a Bible person,
they were talking about how likeDavid was anointed as king, and

(49:59):
then it was years, years, and hewent through all of this crazy
shit before he actually becameking, and everything was tested
before that happened.
And I remember sitting therethat day being like, there's
something I'm supposed to do,and I'm not ready yet.
It's not here yet.
But I was like, I just have tokeep trusting that there is some

(50:21):
sort of like anointing or thingthat I'm supposed to do, but
it's not here yet.
And I think for a lot of people,one thing you said, I think
those who can see the light inothers, it's because you've been
able to finally see it inyourself.
That's when it becomes soobvious to you and other people.
And I think what's beautiful isit's almost what's the it like

(50:42):
it catches, it's contagious inthe best sort of way.
And I think that is whycommunity is so powerful and
also the like the other workthat you're doing, the deeper
work of the community is onlylife-giving if there's some
sparks there.
And the sparks only come notjust from being around other
people, but from finding itwithin yourself in your own life

(51:06):
and how you do things, how youdon't do things, how it changes.
And what a beautiful evolution!I was talking, one of my best
friends and I were talking, andwe were both kind of talking
about these little stuck places.
And I looked at her and I waslike, Did you know that we're
babies?
Like we're like we're just likemid-30s.
And I was like, I know women intheir mid-50s just now figuring

(51:28):
out their careers.
I was like, we have so muchtime.
And I think so many of us, Iwork with women of a lot of
ages.
Most women that I work with areolder than me.
But it's like this reminder oflike, you have so much time,
you're gonna have so manydifferent seasons and eras of
your life.
You know, I work with a lot ofwomen with young babies, really
intensive motherhood, and it'slike you're gonna have more eras

(51:51):
and seasons, but like just keepchasing and trusting and also
sometimes slowing down to figureout like what lights you up
right here.

SPEAKER_00 (52:01):
Yeah.
And if I could like add on towhat you just said from a
49-year-old perspective, yes,please.
Because I talk to like look, I'mjust turned 49 last month.
It's hard to believe that I'mgonna be 50 soon.
Like, because I feel I identifywith like a third mid 30 person.

(52:24):
In terms of like I don't know,yeah.
I feel like I have so much lifeahead of me still.
You you do, and but I talk tomany women, even in their 30s,
who say, I'm too late, it's too,you know, I don't have enough.
We think that that's theconditioning of thinking that we
have to have this whole thingfigured out by the time we're a
certain age, and if we're not,we're too late and we're too

(52:45):
old.
And and that starts to, buthere's, and I am living proof of
the constant evolution, eveninto my now 49th year, and I am
now fully coming out into likethese crazy things that I never
from coming from a financebusiness world, okay, to now I'm
going to be talking to spiritson the other side.

(53:08):
Like, hello, if that is not likea complete turnaround in terms
of my career and my life andeverything that I even knew what
was real, and it's just startingfor me.
It's just starting.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (53:25):
I love that so much.
I met a gal a few nights ago ata business networking women of
no co in no, what is it?
No co women in business, theirevent.
And there's this girl in herearly 20s, and she was like,
Everyone my age has it figuredout, they're on these careers,
and I wanted to like we didn'tknow each other, but I wanted to

(53:47):
like grab her face and be like,I didn't even know my job
existed at your age.

unknown (53:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:52):
Oh god, you don't even it didn't even exist, and I
was just like, You're a and Inot in a demeaning way, you're a
baby, but like in anencouraging, like, you have so
much time, and even if this, andshe was like, and it's gonna
take me too long, and I waslike, You have so much time,
just do it, just start.
But it's like, what a beautifulreminder to all of us, all of

(54:14):
us, of like, you'll figure itout.
You're there's gonna be someroller coaster moments, there's
gonna be some Saturdays whereyou're just like, What the fuck
am I doing?
Crying, yeah, crying in yourroom.
Those moments come, they alwayscome.
And I think people think onceyou're successful or good or
healthy.
Oh, yeah, they don't comeanymore.
They don't come anymore.
I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Sometimes they come andsometimes they're bigger
fuck-ups, they're more expensiveones, they're at higher stakes

(54:37):
now, and actually exactly it'sscarier because now it's more
public.
Now people know.
Now you don't have the quoteunquote excuse of being a
beginner, but like, guess what?
That's a part of it.
That's just a part of living anddoing things that light you up.
Yeah, I know.
Uh, anything.
Do you feel like there'sanything else you would add or
share that like maybe we missedin this conversation?

SPEAKER_00 (55:01):
No, that feels really good.
I think that feels really real.
I love thank you for thisconversation and allowing me to
just share what's been on myheart for so long.
Cause yeah, I haven't been on mypodcast self-expressing for
since June.
We are in Octo the end ofOctober now.

(55:21):
Because I am in this transitionphase of repurposing and
rebranding my podcast.
And so it's going to becompletely different in terms of
what I'm and I kind of shared alittle bit about that here.
So, yeah, a lot of things areare shifting.
And so, can I segue into unlessyou have more about like the
community builders thing?

(55:43):
So, right now I'm in the middleof enrolling people into what's
called the thriving communitybuilders mastermind, where I
have a cohort where I am helpingcommunity community builders who
want to incorporate community,which is essential in my
opinion, into your business,whether that's memberships,

(56:05):
retreats, in-person events, oror anything like that.
Because I and as of like, Ithink I ran this, I don't even
last summer, just this pastsummer, I ran the first cohort.
And it's already shifted.
I'm going into the second one.
And I really thought when I hadcreated this in the summer, that
this is my thing.
I'm going to teach this and it'slighting me up, and it still

(56:26):
does light me up.
But after sometimes you don'tknow until you do the thing.
True.
And so I did the beta roundfirst, and I'm felt called
because of the outcome and theeverything that happened in the
first one.
I just loved it.
I want to do it again the secondround.
But what I'm finding is thatwith all this new stuff that I
just shared on this podcast,with all the evolution of what's

(56:47):
happening with Illumin myself,my gift is more so in curating
the events.
And of course, because that's mygift, like I can teach it,
right?
But I'm not as lit up when Iteach it as opposed to actually
just doing the thing.
So this will be the last timeI'm doing the mastermind live.

(57:10):
Now, it doesn't mean I'm not litup when I teach it in this
thing, because what lights me upin this is that I want the
ripple effect of more community,more diverse communities out
there.
And so the more people I cantake in to like, hey, do your
community and let me help youbuild it, I love that part.

(57:31):
And then, but for me to focus onthe next era of curating these
more intimate experiences anddoing what I'm doing for my
personal brand, I can't do itall.
And so teaching is just one ofthe things we just we all think
we can do it all, and and Igotta take things off the shelf.

(57:53):
And so that's this is gonna bethe last time I'm gonna be doing
it live.
So for those who have said,like, oh, I really want to build
community, and I know you're theperson that I want you to guide
me to build this community, justit's not the right time.
It's never the right time,right?
I hear that all the time.
It's not the right time.
It's never the right time.
And I get it, we're all doingthings.
But if it really is the thingthat you want to do and you want

(58:13):
to do it with me, this is youronly time.
Because this is the last roundthat I'm doing live.
It might come out, I mightrelease the recordings because
now I have two sets ofrecordings, so I'll might
release the recordings out forpeople.
But I do believe that courses, Imean, courses are great, but

(58:34):
integration is more importantfor taking in information.
And that's why I love mastermindso much because it's like, yes,
I can give you all theinformation, the framework,
everything to build communityfrom the ground up and what that
takes strategically,energetically, all the things.
But it's like, can we be in acontainer where we're going to
integrate it and take action?

(58:56):
And because I that's why I don'teven like putting out courses.
Cause I'm like, to me, I'm like,oh, but are you gonna do
something with it?
Like, I want you to like nothave a course on a shelf.
I want you to like do somethingwith it.
So that's where I'm at.
I'm still very excited about it.
We start the beginning ofNovember.
If you're listening to this,whenever you're listening to
this, and there's always time tolike jump in near the beginning.

(59:17):
But yeah, if you feel called toreally build a thriving business
in order to build, you know,create impact and create
consistent revenue, this is theplace to be.
And it's a three-month program,and I'm so excited to like kick
off this last, it's gonna bemagical.
I always think like, oh, thepeople in this group, this last

(59:38):
group of my last oomph, my lasthurrah for this.
It'll be great.
And because I'm buildingsomething new for myself while
you do it, I'm gonna be doing itwith the cohort.
And how exciting is that?
Because the framework that Iteach is not just for like
people who don't know how to doit, it's for people like me who
also know how to do it, but liketo do it in energy with other

(59:58):
people and like hey.
Yeah, and in community to do itin like because I'm not you
know, because I've done this,I'm not gonna I'm gonna use my
own framework, but I'm gonna doit with this this cohort, which
is gonna be so exciting.
So I'm really excited.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:13):
That's amazing.
I had to laugh when you weresaying about the courses because
I think it was during ourmastermind that I was building
my course.
Oh yeah.
And I realized I was like, I cando this.
I think I'm a pretty goodteacher.
And that's truly not where mymagic is.
It's not, and also for theperson receiving it, I know that

(01:00:36):
they're not receiving like thethe exact kind of medicine I
want to build.
Mine is relational for me.
Yes, I'm so relational.
That's what lights me up.
And it's like I realize thatlike once that course was out in
the world, there would be likereally very little relationship
with me, with the case.
I was just like, no, I don'tlike this.

(01:00:56):
I don't want someone to paytheir precious money to have it
sit and like not be used, orunderstand it cognitively, but
not have like someone to talkabout it with and move through
it with.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:07):
But I know.
And so I'm curious, what's yourhuman design?
I'm a manifesting generator.
But what's your profile numbers?
Do you know?
Two, four, two, four.
Remember, I like kind of know,but then like I kind of don't
know.
That's okay.
Okay, okay.
So two, four.
Yeah.
And I think, and there arecertain ones where it's like,
yeah, they're meant to teach,which is like the one line and

(01:01:28):
the five line.
Like Anna, our friend Anna, whowas in the like, she is a
teacher through and through oflike I got skills to teach you,
and I'm gonna teach you.
And like though, that's wherelike we need to put ourselves in
like things where like we aredesigned to do.
And like, of course, you canteach.
You have a lot of knowledge.
Of course, I have knowledge, andI have a lot to teach.

(01:01:48):
But is that where we're reallymeant to spend our time?

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:52):
Is that where I'm most potent, most alive, most
lit up?
Am I lit up?
Am I enjoying it?
Yes.
Is it the most highest form forme?
No, and that's where I decided,like, I can do it.
I don't want to, and I don'thave to anymore.
And that word potency has soshown up so much for me this
year because it's like, is thatwhere all of me shows up?

(01:02:13):
And it's like, not really,because that can't happen
teaching because I'm such arelational, responsive person.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:18):
Anyway, yeah, and I do want to just reflect
something to you, knowing yourhuman design, knowing you, and
knowing what you do.
And this is something we teachin the community builder's
mastermind of like, are youbuilding community that's
aligned for you?
Like a lot of times we don'teven know subconsciously how we
naturally attract people or ournatural gifts are, and and so we
really dive through that, butjust on a surface level of

(01:02:41):
knowing that you're a two-forand knowing, which is two is the
one that's the invited guest,that you have gifts to offer the
world through invitation fromother communities in terms of
your good spaceholder of sharingyour gifts.
Now, that's why you do retreatsand like your potency comes from

(01:03:02):
your the work that you do andpeople getting to experience
you.
And when it comes to community,yes, you can build your own, but
also even when you came in to doa workshop, a somatic workshop
for a loom, I could see you litup when you were, it's not
teaching, you were guiding usthrough an experience in that,
but you are meant to be invitedinto other communities to share

(01:03:28):
your magic.
So not just your I want you tothink about that, not just your
retreats and your containers,but like where can you come into
other communities so just likeyou did for a loom to share your
magic?
And I really see that for youlike growing.
And I love that it's like youknow, like I'm not gonna do a

(01:03:50):
course that's gonna shin up sinon a shelf.
I'm meant to like be there andlike give my gifts and have
people experience my magic.
And yeah, I'm just excited foryou.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:00):
I'm having chills, and it feels like my hug just
got or my heart just had a hug,you know, that feeling you're
like, oh I think I think this issomething that you're so
powerful at, Christine, isseeing people and speaking into
them.
And I think so many people areare desperate to be seen and
witnessed, and like even justlike what you just reflected to

(01:04:23):
me, I'm fairly self-aware.
You just told me stuff that likeas soon as you said it, I was
like, oh my gosh, that makes somuch sense.
But I didn't come up with that,and that's so that's receiving.
And I think so many women arenever in a space where they get
to receive, where they get to beheld, where they get to be led,
especially when you're a leader.

(01:04:44):
And I think that's one of yourprofound gifts.
And I love that like youaccidentally just set yourself
up for that for me to be like,Christine, you're such a you're
such a phenomenal leader.
And the way that you lead andhold and see people and are like
calling out the light in them insuch a potent, powerful way.
Like you have such a beautifulway of doing that.

(01:05:06):
And so I'm just so excited forthis new iteration of Christine
and a loom and all of thethings.
I'm just so proud of you.
And I'm grateful too of like, Ilove the things that you've
built and the people I've beenconnected with it through it.
So thank you for being a guest.
I feel like this is such a fullcircle moment to like do a
podcast with you.
So totally.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:25):
And it was meant to be.
I know we've had to like push.
It was meant to be the timingwas I do believe it was meant to
be that I was to share this onthis day where I am feeling like
so authentic, so in my power, soin my energy.
Uh we're coming out of like areally dark weekend.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:42):
I know.
Well, thank you so much forbeing a guest, Christine, and
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