10 Things We Hate About ‘10 Things I Hate About You: 90s Nostalgia

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have a dick on my face, don't I?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I loved it.
He's so romantic.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
Romantic Hemingway.
He was an abusive, alcoholicmisogynist who squandered half
his life hanging around Picassotrying to nail his leftovers.
Alright, you wanna know what'sunfair this is for you two.
This morning, I delivered a setof twins to a 15 year old girl.
Do you know what she said to me?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm a crack whore who should have made my skeezy
boyfriend wear a condom.
You ready to do this?
Oh yeah, let's go.
10 things I hate about you.
That's what we're talking about.
That's what we're talking about.
But I do like the song.

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You turned it off.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Oh, we wanted to keep going with that.
No, that's okay All right.
We should do more show prepnext time, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
But we have some quotes.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
We're good, that's right and I found my paper, so
we're fine.
Yeah, freaked out there for asecond.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Who's kicking us off today?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
I a second.
Who's kicking us off today, Iguess.
So we're talking about 10things I hate about you tonight.
So this movie came out in 1999still in the 90s.
It's a screenplay written bykaren mccullough and Kirsten
Smith.
Our main actors we're going tobe talking about are Julia
Stiles, heath Ledger, josephGordon-Levitt, larissa Aldnick,

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david Krumholz, andrew Keegan,gabrielle Union, allison Janney,
susan May Pratt and LarryMiller.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
A lot of big names there.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yes, and a lot of them got their start with this
movie.
I know like five.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
I knew like three.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I knew two.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
I definitely know Julia Stiles, because, oh, we
know, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Julia Stiles.
Who doesn't know Julia Stiles?

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Before this movie.
I don't think I knew JuliaStiles when it first came out.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
But you said you, this is the first time you saw
it, it is I'm just saying Idon't know her, like I can't put
her in another movie this wasyou don't know, julia styles.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
No, I don't.
What else did she do?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
all right, we'll get in that later oh my goodness, I
like her though, gabrielle you,I didn't know she was in this.
Yeah, yeah, I watched the wholething and didn't even know that
you didn't realize it was hernow the lady who plays the
counselor.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Is she not the same lady who plays the press
secretary from um west wing?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I've seen west okay, allison janey is a pretty she
reminded me of Miss Hanniganfrom Annie no that's not her.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I know it's not her.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
She's so funny.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm just saying she reminded me of her.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
She's in this fairly recent show um called mom yeah,
we've seen that yeah, it's likethe mom and the daughter right,
yeah, yeah, yeah, with um AnnaFaris, say Faris.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
So Roger Ebert gave this movie two and a half stars
out of four.
He sucks.
Do you know what he said aboutit?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I'm scared what.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Actually he said good things about it.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
He said how did he say good things and he got a 2.4
?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
No 2.5 out of four.
I mean at most maybe a three.
And he wrote and yet, gee, themovie is charming Despite its
exhausted wheeze of an ancient,recycled plot idea.
Boy boy takes bribe to ask girlto prom, then discovers that he
really likes her, but then shefinds out about the bribe and

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hates him.
I haven't seen that idea inalmost two months.
That's, that's kind of fair.
Um, I think we simply have todump the entire plot and
appreciate the performances andsome of the jolliest scenes.
I think that's a really fairtake on this movie, because the
plot is recycled, been done amillion times, but the acting,

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some of the lines pretty good.
The plot points I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I could get behind that assessment Okay.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, I mean, it's also based off of William
Shakespeare's Taming of theShrew, so there's a base for
where they did get this plotline.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
No, I know.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
There goes the rest of my notes.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Thank you for that um , yeah, very loosely based on
taming of the shrew.
Um, what I found interesting isin I've never read taming of
the shrew.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've never heard of it.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Okay, so there's this guy named William Shakespeare.
We'll go back to the beginning.
But what's interesting aboutthis play is it's really, really
controversial because it's likea highly misogynistic, sexist
play Because it's about taming ashrew.
So the shrew in the play is awoman who needs to be tamed, and

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um, a lot of uh, controversyabout his play.
But it was written in the 1500s, so whatever I give it a four
four out of four four out offive oh okay, he did it out of
four.
Yeah, he's out of four yeah,that's.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
That's an interesting rating what is that?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
a four yeah, two and a half out of four rotten
tomatoes gives it a 71, whichmakes it fresh, although barely,
and imdb gives it 7.3.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
What.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
How does the Rotten Tomatoes work, like the higher
the percentage, the better themovie?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yes, so I mean, if you look across the board, it's
getting 70s.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Did they give these scores when it came out, or are
these current?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think they're a little bit of both.
All right, kick us off so wedon't go too far down the wrong
path here.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
All right, well, going back and watching this, I
mean Heath Ledger I just got sosad.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Dead.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, yes, but I thought he looked better in the
Joker.
Am I the only one Anyway?
So he was.
Such a hottie, a star at the thetime, but primarily in his
homeland of australia.
So this was his first bigamerican role that he was in um,

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and it was also a big.
It was a big movie for a lot ofthem too.
Um, this was julia styles bigrole, which led to a lot of
other movies too.
Um, but a lot of peoplesuspected, because of the
chemistry that julia styles andheath ledger had, that they were
dating.
But there no one ever confirmedthat.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
But the producer actually said that when she was
reading her poem at the end thatshe had more of an emotional
connection to a certain josephgordon levitt yeah, so when she
started to cry, yeah, maybe,maybe that's who she was
thinking about now I believe Iread that they were going to

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have heath ledger work with avoice acting coach to help his
accent, remove some of theaccent, and then they decided to
just let the accent ride I lovehis accent, so I'm glad they
stuck with it.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, he is the reason I watched the movie.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
He's julius styles her too.
Um, so the building that theyactually filmed in for the high
school is an actual high school,and it's called stadium high
school in tac actual high schooland it's called Stadium High
School in Tacoma, washington,and it's actually a functional
high school still to this day.
It was opened in 1906 and hashosted many presidential

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speakers such as TheodoreRoosevelt, woodrow Wilson and
Warren G Harding.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Why is this high school so important?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
So this film also was named after a diary entry that
one of the screenwriters, KarenMcCullough, wrote.
It was about a boyfriend thatshe had, and in her diary entry
she was listing things that shehated about him or that made her
unhappy, and that turned into10 Things I Hate About you.

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So a little about some of theactors.
So Heath Ledger's role wasactually he beat out Josh
Hartnett and Ashton Kutcher forthe role.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Those were who he was up against.
Clueless is based on Emma, bythe way by Jane Austen.
I did not know that well, Iguess I did, because I'm the one
who said it, but I could seeashton kutcher, kutcher yeah in
that role.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I could too.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
No, I, I think heath ledger was definitely so young
then 1999 I think heath ledgerhad a little bit more of like
that ediness.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Bad boy vibe.
Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Ashton Kutcher is more like the pretty boy.
I don't know, and then for therole of Kat.
They originally were thinkingof offering to Katie Holmes, but
she turned it down and so thenwent to Julia Stiles.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Good move.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Katie Holmes also gives me thatgirl next door sweet, she's not
in Scientology.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
But Julia Stiles did have the edge for this movie.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yes, I agree, and.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
I like that a lot yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
She has that in a lot of the things I've seen her in.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's the face, her face.
She's got that face.
Well, tell us more about thatface.
She's just got that face, theRBF face.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
She pulls it off.
She pulls that off, especiallythe interactions with the
English teacher.
I love that part, those parts Aflash.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
No, um, I love, I love that part those parts a
flash or no?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
that was not.
That was her coach?
I think no, her her englishteacher.
He like censored a detention abunch of times who looked like a
student himself.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
He was so young.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
He looked very who was that who played?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
I know he looked really familiar to me too but,
he didn't come up as one of thelike.
I know he looked reallyfamiliar to me too, but he
didn't come up as one of thelike.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
The main actors, but I he was like, he kind of like
stole the show so he was so good.
Um, under favorite quotes Ionly put one quote wow, wow,
hold on so it should be thiswhole movie, one quote.
Well, I only have a page so Iwrote um, I know how difficult
it must be to, oh, I know howdifficult it must be to overcome
all those years of upper middleclass suburban oppression.

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I was like that was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
That was good.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, there's other quotes.
That's the one I wrote down.
I just thought that was greathow he put her in her place with
that line.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
So the role of Joey Donner, the model, yes, it was
originally intended to be playedby James Franco.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
I could see that.
Okay, real quick, how's this?
That was underwear.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Doesn't change at all .

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Same exact look Wait Tube socks.
It's the same exact look WaitTube socks.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
The film grossed over $53 million at the box office.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's the 90s.
There's actually.
We were talking about thisbefore because we were getting
confused when we were trying tofind it but there's a TV series
adaptation that came out in 2009.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes, I seen it at all , but doesn't feel like that
would be good yeah, do you knowhow many seasons there were?

Speaker 5 (11:51):
one one season wow no , I don't know I thought you
were gonna tell us that was myguess, I was asking oh, we can
look it up okay look it up.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Okay, look it up.
I feel like we should give it ashot.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Nope, I don't.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Maybe, I feel like you're going to fall asleep.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
I don't want to give it a shot A series.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's a lot of episodes.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh, I can do the series.
I can't do long movies.
I did fall asleep at this movie.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Oh, that's great Good job I did Erica at this movie,
oh that's great Good job I did.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Erica called you out.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
When did he fall asleep?
What part?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Well, you didn't know , there was a concert there
wasn't a concert.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
They were in the nightclub and he was being shady
who?
Heath Ledger, what's hischaracter's name?
How was he being shady?
Patrick, patrick, yeah, he wasbeing shiesty.
He was stalking her.
He was trying to be Mr Slick.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Well, yeah, because the other kids told him she'll
be at this concert.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
You need to be there.
That's what he's saying.
He was getting paid to be there.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, okay.
This is how we review moviesbut she seems attracted to him
right at the right up the assoon as he comes on to her,
though I think she was attractedto the fact that he only had
one liver.
Is that not true?

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How many livers do you have?
Oh wait, one kidney.
How many livers do?

Speaker 4 (13:24):
you have what?
Oh wait, One kidney.
How many livers do you have?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
What did they say?
That he gave up something.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
They said how are you drinking?
Should you be drinking withouta liver Right?

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right, you have one liver though.
Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So did we get to the jungle?
Yet we moving on?
There we go.
Now you gotta sing it for us.
Erica can sing.

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I work out to this song.
Sometimes it motivates you.
This is a good song too.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
And it just draws that picture.
That clearly she's a little bitof the outcast At school here.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Plus she drives a beater Her car.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
We all know what a beater is right.
I mean, her car is Prettybanged up.
I know what you're talkingabout.
We all know what a beater isright, I mean her car is pretty
banged up.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
She doesn't care.
She doesn't give a shit.
So then she enters school andshe walks by.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
We see the poster for the school dance, which is
going to be a big plot line forthis movie rips that movie and
she ripped it down a coupletimes yeah, she's very anti-prom
I haven't fallen asleep at thispoint because I know good oh
you mean like the first minuteof the movie

Speaker 4 (14:57):
that's great um, and this movie does a lot of like
switching back and forth between, like the characters.
So we immediately switch overto uh Cameron, who's a new
student.
He's meeting with the guidancecounselor and she's asking him
to wait as she finishes writingin her new novel.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Any lines from this novel that we want to go over.
I did not write.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
What was the one where she said something's
pulsating and then like yourhands on the thigh to creamy
white thigh or something.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, I thought there was something about like
engorged, engorged was in it.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Now there was a line and I'm sure we'll get to it.
But when he shows up to theoffice, the bad guy Heath Ledger
and she's like.
So I heard you pulled yourmember out at the in the
cafeteria and he goes tobratwurst it was a bratwurst.
And she goes aren't we theoptimist?

Speaker 4 (15:53):
and he just looks at her and then she immediately
changes her story from whateverto bratwurst which is fantastic
so he leaves, and then we meetheath ledger's character and I
think this is the part you'retalking about and we learn that
he's in trouble for, as you said, um.

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So cameron meets um a characternamed michael who's going to
give him a tour of the school.
Um, michael teaches Cameron allabout the different cliques at
their school, and I immediatelythought of Mean Girls during
this scene, you know, whenthey're talking to Caddy in the
cafeteria and they're likenaming all the different cliques

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like I feel like this was likethe original like Mean Girls
scene.
So Cameron immediately seesBianca for the first time and
he's completely taken with her.
But michael tells him that, um,she has a really uptight father
and the stratford sisters arenot allowed to date at all.
Um, so we switch over to kat inher english class and she has

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the coolest english teacher ever, which we discuss, which we
don't know the name, but hesteals the show.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
At some point I'll play a clip from something.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
But they're discussing.
The Sun Also Rises and Kat'ssharing her opinions.
She hates Hemingway.
She really does.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
She says he's a total misogynist.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Something about Hemingway is, he did not write
women well.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
No.
That's like a known thing abouthim leave the classroom her
teacher rolls his eyes as shegives all her opinions.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Can we ask her to take my doll before class next
time?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
direct quote I just hate his character so much.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Wait, the model guy.
He is the worst.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
He is the worst.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
He reminds me of the character, reminds me of the guy
from Zombies.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Not vampires, zombies .

Speaker 5 (17:59):
I have not seen those movies, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh, I have, and it sucks.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
He reminds me of him, pretty boy.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Then he talks about how Black Raiders can never get
studied at the end.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
This is one of my favorites.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
Then he just walks out Cool.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Coolest teacher ever.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Now leave.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
That scene was packed .

Speaker 5 (19:04):
It was so good there's so much going on there
there's only like maybe twoscenes that the teacher's in
that's right, he's incredible hereally is a scene stealer yeah,
because he carries the moviefor those two scenes and yet if
you look him up, I don't knowwhat he's done yeah, I'm not
sure.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Um looks very familiar to me though.
Um, so she, he, she sent to the, to the guidance counselor's
office, um which I don't knowhow your schools worked, but
like if you got in trouble youdidn't go to the guidance
counselor well, let me tell youabout public education, where we
went to school.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
I was in public school and we never got kicked.
If we got kicked out of theclass, it wasn't to go anywhere.
We, we had to walk the hallways.
Really we had to go like viceprincipal actually we got kicked
out, we just you walk up anddown the hallway yeah, we just
would go for a walk becausethere was nowhere to go actually

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we had someone, I forget whatit was something, something of
discipline like oh yes, that'san official title.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Yeah, I know we go see shako hennessy right now
like, no, that like sometimesthere were teachers that like um
held like the in-schoolsuspensions and stuff yeah, they
like would be in charge of allthat.
Yeah, it definitely wouldn'thave been the guidance counselor
yeah, no, she would.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
This was like.
Her only job was disciplinesomething.
I can't remember I remember whoit was, but I don't remember
what her title was did you guysget in trouble a lot at school.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
There were 97 kids in her class, a very small school.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, uh, so she sent to the guidance counselor who
has a serious talk to her withher about how people see her.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
As a bitch Maniacal.
Bitch is what she says.
What did she say?
I don't know her direct quote,that's the quote.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I just got it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I wasn't sleeping yet , see.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
And then we switch over to Michael and Cameron
talking about Bianca, and I didnot like this part and I have a
few things to say.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Hold on a second.
What part?

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Okay, so they're talking about Bianca Stratford
and they're talking about herdress, and Michael talks about
how she wears it.
He says for for guys like himto know, like that they can
never have her.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
And guys where are you at in this movie?
Is this the black underwearsection, guys?

Speaker 4 (21:36):
no, that's like way later want her and guys like
michael to know they can neverhave her and I, like I know it's
the 90s, but I had a lot of.
What.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
There's got to be a story as to why you don't like
this.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Because it's extremely sexist.
That she's specifically wearingher dress to be a tease is what
he's saying.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
There it is okay, that's it.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, okay, I had a huge problem with this, which
part he's saying that shespecifically wears her dress to
be a tease.
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I will say this, though I mean at least in that
part of the movie she had nointerest in Cameron.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think you're missing my whole point.
What?
Was your point, my point isthat they're saying that she
dresses for men.
Guess what she can dress forherself when she gets up in the
morning.
Guess what that could be herfavorite dress does she have
black underwear?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
later in the movie.
I'm really messing up myfeminist I did not like.

Speaker 5 (23:03):
I did not like that part I will say one of my
biggest criticisms of the movieis the sister, not cat, the
other one, bianca bianca.
I felt like she was really justnot really a third
three-dimensional like person inthe movie.
I felt like she was just thereto help move the plot along and
you really had no idea who shewas at any point they could have

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been by design, though had noidea who she was at any point.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
They could have been by design, though she's not my
favorite, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I just don't like the comments that are just like it
was, it was the times, andthat's that's how it was that's
true, but this is also comingfrom a guy who's like an outcast
.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
You know he's I don't know his name, but that nerdy
guy who rides the scooter, who,by the way?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
yeah, but he's still being extremely sexist he
absolutely is.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Now he also rides a motor, what's a?
A moped with a uh, a shoppingcart grocery thing on the front
of it, which is?

Speaker 2 (24:06):
and a little helmet you know, the whole helmet was a
good touch the whole thing, itmakes him it.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Just you learn who that guy is in that one moment
where he's, yeah, on his scooter, on his you need to watch
zombies.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
He's the male cheerleader, the male
cheerleader, really okay, no, Idon't know he's not the act, but
that's the exact same.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, this is one of my favorite lines in this movie
and I don't know why.
I just think it's so funny.
I know you can be overwhelmedand you can be underwhelmed.
Can you ever just be whelmed?
I think you can in Europe.
I don't know why.
I think that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't get the Europe part.
I don't know.
The rest of it was funny.
The rest of it was I don'tthink there's anything like to
get.
I think it's just like likeeurope is more sophisticated.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
The whole quote was more like what the fuck like it
was.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Just it's not really helping my case that I just said
, but I still really hate thathe made those comments about her
, her dress, I just well, don'tforget, this is based on a very
uh uh misogynist, thatmisogynist sexist play by
william shakespeare I know butmaybe the maybe there are tones
of that throughout we're gettingclose to probably like.

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One of my favorite scenes iswhen the dude loses control.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was going to talk
about.
So Joey Donner gives Chastity,who's Gabrielle Union's
character, and Bianca a ridehome, and Kat sees this and she
has complete disapproval aboutthis and, as she's pulling out
and very angry about thesituation, she almost hits
Michael, who's on his bike, thewith the little uh shopping the

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shopping cart on the front ofthe moped and he swerves out of
the way and he shares at thattime that her nickname is the
shrew, which goes back to thewilliam shakespeare play and
then he drives off of a hilllike a really, really, really
big, he goes flying and as hegoes over the hill, I'm assuming

(26:11):
stunt double here.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, there's like a hundred people in the park just
go flying to the edge of thehill and you just see him
bouncing and bouncing untilfinally he uh, stops and looks
back and throws his arms up likehe's okay, and everyone goes
wild and then I think he has aconcussion did you notice how,
like all these sports likefields are like down there, so

(26:34):
like I was just thinking abouthow they all have to like go
down that hill to get to all ofthem?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
like that must take forever there's probably a road
that goes around and down a path.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Maybe they have golf carts.
I I don't know.
I was just thinking about it,like, I just remember, like in
high school like having to timeout, like getting dressed and
getting to practice on time, andthe moment I saw like how far
down that was, I like I think Ihad like PTSD.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
None of that.
None of that.
Even it still doesn't cross.
It still doesn't cross my mind.
No, but I'm sure they have aroad that takes you down.
That it's I mean, it seems likea bunch of rich kids, so maybe
they all own.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
They're all rich because uh, I mean that that's.
That's the upper middle classsociety thing.
Uh, alludes to that, but um,all right, so we switch over.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Then we see the stratford home for the first
time and we're introduced totheir father.
He comes in hi katarina.
Make anyone cry today?

Speaker 5 (27:40):
sadly no, but it's only 4 30 I have a uh comment
about him, the actor.
And, by the way, look at this.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
What other things was he in?
He has?

Speaker 4 (27:50):
been like?
I think he was like a big 90sactor, because have you ever
look?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
at this house yeah, I mean he's a doctor.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
We learned he's a doctor.
Yeah, yeah, oh, is that what heis?
Yeah, it talks about deliveringbabies um he came up on my feed
that he was originallyconsidered for the role of
george costanza I could totallysee that okay and yeah, uh,
what's his name?
Who played costanza um?

(28:19):
Jason alexander jason alexanderwas worried because larry
something his name's larrysomething, not larry david lar.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
No hold on Larry Miller.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Larry Miller was really good friends with Jerry
Seinfeld and Jason Alexanderfelt he had no shot, so he was
very surprised that he got therole.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Wow, that must be so hard to see a show that takes
off like that.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
You almost got Seinfeld particularly.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It may not have taken off Right.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Right got.
Oh, it may not.
It may not have taken off,right right, yeah, all right.
So as the dad um enters, he'sopening the mail and cat sees
she got an acceptance letterfrom sarah lawrence which she's
thrilled about.
But her father is not happyabout it because it's very far
from home and his plan was forher to stay close to home.
As bianca enters, the fatherrealizes that a boy drove bianca
home and his plan was for herto stay close to home.
As bianca enters, the fatherrealizes that a boy drove bianca
home.
And this is when he remindsthem that there is there are two

(29:16):
rules in the house, and thatone is no dating until you
graduate and two is that there'sno dating until you graduate.
He tells them and this is the.
If you could pull this one up,this would be great, because I
think it would sound bettercoming from him.
But he talks about how he justdelivered twins okay this is a
good part.

(29:59):
No, we're close at that timetheir dad comes up with a new
rule that he thinks is going tobe better um, that bianca can
date when cat dates, and hethinks this is better because

(30:20):
cat does not want to date anyone.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
So that is directly from taming of the shrew okay
where the youngest daughter ofthis guy I don't know it's
whatever his name is can't getmarried until the older daughter
marries.
So that sets up.
That's how this is based on theplay.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
So we are flashing back to school now and Bianca
and Cameron are meeting for thefirst time officially, and
Cameron has taken on the role ofher French tutor, even though
he does not know french.
Um in a whole ploy to meet herand win her over.
So he asks her out and she letshim know that her dad has a new

(30:59):
rule that she can actually dateum once her sister finds
someone to date.
But so, um, bianca startssharing with him that cat used
to actually be really popular,and then she got sick of it or
something um, she wasn't reallysure clear that they're not very
close.
She doesn't know a lot about her, but she isn't sure the real

(31:20):
reason that she stepped awayfrom the social scene.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Um, so michael finds a bunch of guys to interview oh
wait, the list of guys who likegive their reaction to whether
or not they're interested I wantit.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Let me find that real quick when the kid just screams
yeah, yeah all right that waspretty funny part are there

(32:10):
sheep?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
so they they kind of are losing hope on this whole
situation.
But then they flash to thembeing in science class and they
see patrick and he's dissectinga frog and cameron wants to get
him to date cat, but Michaelannounces that he's a criminal
and Cameron approaches Patrickto ask him about it and he just

(32:38):
takes a drill and just drillsthrough his book.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
By the way, he uses that book, the rest of the movie
with that giant hole in it,it's his.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
French book.
He needs it.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
So they come up with an idea.
They have to figure out a wayto get patrick's attention.
So they decide that they needto bribe him with money.
So they need a bank.
So they're gonna get patrick todate cat by using joey donner's
money.
So michael presents the idea toJoey while they're in the
cafeteria and he asks him.

(33:09):
He tells him that the onlything he wants from this is that
he wants him to say hello tohim in the hallway.
You know popular by associationand the entire time that he's
giving Joey Donner this planhe's just drawing on his cheek
there's a big dick on my face,you can play that quote.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
That was actually pretty good.
He's just drawing on his cheek.
There's a big dick on my face,isn't there?
You could play that quote.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
That was actually pretty good and I think I found
the spot of the movie where Ifell asleep.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
You fell asleep during that scene.
I know because I know that thebook had the hole in it.
But at the end when I saw it, Iwas like it's got a hole in it,
so you didn't see I didn't seethe drilling part.
Why does the book have a holein it?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
that's the part I fell asleep at we gotta stop
watching these movies late atnight yeah, we do.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Right now he's talking with a, with a penis on
his cheek.
I like the fact that he kind ofhe kind of like he uses the
corner of his mouth and kind ofthere's some artistry going on
here.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Can you imagine just sitting there?

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Nobody shakes his hand, he just gives the two
thumbs up.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
All right, all right after school, joey confronts
patrick and presents the idea tohim.
Confronts Patrick and presentsthe idea to him about dating Kat

(35:13):
for money so he can date Bianca, and Patrick agrees to do it
for $50.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
But then he starts doing some math.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I'm sorry that does it's 99, but that is still not a
lot like yeah, you're notpaying for much, and that's I
mean, but he also I had anotherthing where like okay, so it's
after school and they're alldoing sports.
How are they just like allowedto go and like talk to each
other?
Like my father you kind ofinstructed a Jew like yelling at

(35:39):
me like we didn't like practiceright next to the other sports
that they would have been like.
You can't just go and likesocialize in the middle of
practice.
Well, someone wasn't uppermiddle class, that's just like
I'm not going to get back onthat.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
The sundress thing.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, it's just really the sundress thing.
It just made me mad.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
So you don't think she picked her dresses according
to which kind of men she wantedto attract?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
No, I think she was like you know what I love this
dress and it makes me feel goodabout myself.
You sure about that?
Yeah, and I like the way I lookin it, so I'm going to wear it.
It's not all about the men.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
And she was rocking it.
She did a good job.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Exactly.
Thank you, Ryan.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
I clearly am not dressed to attract the opposite
sex.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Okay, let's move on so patrick approaches cat for
the first time.
Um she, she comes running overto get water after her soccer
practice again.
Why is he allowed anywhere?
Near the field during soccerpractice and she's like sweating
and trying to like chug waterand he's asks her how she's

(36:51):
doing.
And I love this sweating like apig, thank you.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
She refuses to go on a date with him several times
and, but she does it in a waythat leaves the door open, I
think she's playing hard to getshe is, but she's not like.
She's not refusing him in a waythat he wouldn't ask again.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
She's refusing him like she's interested I agree,
and I also think it was kind oflike I think he kind of took her
off guard too right so I thinkshe was kind of like she
obviously likes the bad boy too.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
If, if that guy asked her out and he had this
reputation, I think she wasattracted to that.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah.
So Cameron and Michael realizethat it's going to be a lot
harder to get her to agree to adate.
So back at the house, bianca iswearing their mom's pearls.
This was something I wanted tobring up to you guys.
So it really upsets Kat, andthis is where we learned that
their mom left them.

(37:49):
I don't know.
Like I kind of went back andforth about this.
Like erica, what do you thinklike if your sister was wearing
your pearls or mom's?
pearls yeah from like your momthat left you like I don't know.
I kind of like I kind of sawboth sides of it where, like
yeah, I don't are you wearingthe pearls or not?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
know it's.
It's hard to say if it's not,like it would depend.
You know, like how did momleave right?

Speaker 5 (38:16):
oh, we know it's not good can't imagine but who cares
?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
she's not wearing them.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I think it was more like like cat came from.
I think like kind of ironicallyit was more like Kat came from.
I think like kind of ironicallyit was like kind of role
switched in this situation whereKat was like more of the
sentimental.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
Kat associated the pearls with the mom and the
younger sister, which also maybe because she's the older
sister and she was with her alot longer.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
But I don't know.
I kind of thought it was funnythat Bianca.
It was kind of like yeah, youknow what?
Like she did you guys wrong.
The least you could do is giveyou a pearl necklace.
And this movie goes back andforth, like to the house, to the
school, like so many times.
So patrick's following.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I didn't look at it that way I just looked at it as
the next scene.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
I didn't notice these transitions either the reason I
noticed them is because I waswriting down a summary and every
five seconds I had to be likeokay, now switch to this, Now
switch to this.
But Patrick's following Kataround and she goes into a music
store and Joey pulls up andblocks her car.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
She slams it.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
And she is like are you?
Serious, he's like what likeand just walks in and she just
backs up right into his car andhe freaks out and patrick's
laughing the whole time well,fun fact about cat's car that
was actually heath ledger's car,really.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Yeah, wow yeah, probably Really yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, Probably not now.
Oh my God.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
That just went dark.
I didn't mean because he wasdead, I meant because it was all
his riches and stuff.
But certainly not now.
It doesn't matter, move on.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
It's in a Hall of Fame.
It is no.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I just hope so Could be.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
So Patrick tells Joey that he wants hundred dollars a
date now, in advance have you.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
This is getting have you flipped the page yet?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
yes, okay I'm on page three, so we're like halfway oh
, that's not bad.
We're an hour and five minutesin oh boy um, anyway, so cameron
and michael, they offer to help.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Patrick.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
They offer to help Patrick get Kat to go on a date
with him.
So they explain that Cameronlikes Bianca and that they set
this whole thing up to make Joeya pawn.
They're just using him as thebank.
So Michael sets up an oldfriend's house to have a party
without him knowing.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
I really really like this scene.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
The party scene.

Speaker 5 (40:51):
And I like how, like this guy, it's the nerds.
What's his name?
Michael, yes, okay, nerdscooter guy yes, he's getting
redemption on the other guy.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, who cut him out of the NBA club, right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
And then he decides what is it when the doorbell
rings and he goes oh, that'sso-and-so with debris I love
that, but also I'm just likebrie's amazing.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
That sounds great.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
That sounds like a great party and he's just like
the way the whole scene is, likehe's going to have this little,
you know, super social upperechelon, like party with only a
handful of select people and thedoorbell rings and they just
mad rush his house and I lovethat.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I'm not trying to pull a whole, like we're not in
the jungle scene yet, but likewe have a lot to go until the
party, but I have a fact aboutthe dance scene, by the way,
that I wanted to use.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
But you go and then I'll bring it up.
So, in order to throw thisparty, michael makes all these
flyers and does a totally 90sthing where he just goes to the
top of the stairs and just dropsthem down the stairs and I love
the people who are reachingover trying to grab the flyers I
was waiting for somebody tofall, people who are reaching
over trying to grab the flyer.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, I was waiting for somebody to fall.
I mean, were there ever highschool parties that were
literally like announced withflyers?

Speaker 5 (42:13):
yeah, I actually have a seriously I never experienced
that.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
No, no I mean not dropping them down, the hallways
.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
To me that's evidence like.
What if your parents find that?
Or another adult or something.
Okay.
So cameron starts talking tobianca about this party and
seeing if she's gonna go, butshe tells him she can't go
unless cat's going.
So bianca tries to share somethings about cat with him, um,
so that they can try to kind oflike figure her out to help

(42:43):
patrick.
So they go into her bedroom.
Oh my god, I was like mortifiedfor her.
I can't even imagine if one ofmy siblings did this to me.
This is like I know they're notclose, but like that is when she
pulls out her.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
There's some betrayal happening here, a hundred
percent when she pulls out thepanties.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
That's not okay.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
And also I couldn't wrap my head around it.
She had so many posters up onher wall and I didn't know who
any of them were.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
So I wasn't really allowed to put posters up on my
walls, but I was the oldest andapparently, like that, rule
changed.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
So, like you slept, surrounded by nothing but like
white walls, no, they call thatprison.
They were colorful, but youknow, because I was the oldest
and then all my other siblingshad, was it hard to tape over
the?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
pads what?
That's terrible Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I had a really good childhood.
Okay, I just wasn't.
My mom didn't want us ruiningthe walls until you know my next
sibling did it Until yoursiblings came along.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
I kind of feel like you might have been Rapunzel,
just locked away.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
No, I no, but I wasn't, I didn't, I wasn't like
a rule breaker, but I don't know, I was a good kid anyway that's
the next podcast.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Go ahead.
Next episode, next episode.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
I'm a good kid um so cameron and um michael enter the
bar that patrick is playingpool at.
Clearly, they're out of place,um, and they're coming to share
all the things they learnedabout cat look, I know um, let
me just ask something.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
I know it's set in a high school, right, but this guy
is clearly getting smashed.
He's like 18 oh yeah I mean,he's in a bar, he's playing pool
.
It's also a biker bar like thisis a rough crowd and when that
dude with the scooter walks inand these guys walk in, they're
getting looks and they just zoompast that.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
They didn't spend any time in there no, but it's
clearly a like when he's, he'sparking his bike and he wiggles
in, and then one guy goes, nicebike man.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
He goes, you think, and he just like shakes his head
and rides off um, but theyshare with him.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
That cat is really into pretty guys who don't?
Smoke and right that don'tsmoke, and they kind of like
look at him and he's like areyou saying I'm not a pretty guy
and they're like no, no, no, noand move on real quick.
They also mentioned that shelikes thai food and indie music
and she's going to be going tosee her favorite band at Club
Skunk and her favorite band isLetters to Cleo.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
Is that a real?

Speaker 4 (45:38):
band yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Oh, I didn't know this.
It's the band that plays.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
They are at Club Skunk, and then they come to the
prom and then they're at thevery end oh yeah, I didn't know
they were a real band, yeah okay, all the bands in the movie are
real

Speaker 5 (45:56):
and the actual artists are so the bare naked
ladies real?

Speaker 4 (46:03):
but they're clothed, yes, okay so patrick follows cat
to club skunk and does hefollow her or is he just like?

Speaker 5 (46:12):
well, I mean he he goes because she's going.
He doesn't like follow.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Okay, I'm sorry, he know, he knows she's going there
we call that stalking.
Yeah, and he just so techhappens to be there and he sees
her dancing with her friend andhe goes up to the bar.
Apparently knows yes, andapparently knows somebody I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:34):
This is the first moment in the movie, though,
where she comes off as likepretty hot, though, when she's
dancing with her friends and Ibelieve that happened when she
was introduced, okay.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Erica, and I have nothing to say on this topic,
anyways.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
I thought this is where she oh wait, we're going
to keep moving along, continue.
I thought this is where youstart to see her as not so much
of a shrew.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
She's letting her hair down, yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Right, she's letting loose as to who she really is
underneath that.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
She's smiling.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Exterior.
She's engaging, she's in herhappy place, um.
But he goes over to the bar andI just noticed like he shakes
the bartender's hand, like heknows this guy so clearly he's
been there before too.
I didn't pick up on that, yeahso cat comes over to get some
water and she notices patrick.
He plays it cool and acts likehe isn't there to see her at all
.
And he's just there to see theband and he just starts naming a

(47:32):
bunch of bands that he reallylikes that just happen to be her
favorite bands which were toldto him by the other exactly yeah
and um.
Then he asks her to come tobogey's party.
Also, the kid's name is bogeywhich one bogey the guy that's.
That's whose house they'rehaving the party at.
His name is bogey lowensteingood name.

(47:53):
That's a name with an mba rightthere her to go to the party
with him, and she doesn't givehim a straight answer and just
kind of walks away but she wantsto go she does, she doesn't,
she doesn't say no right um, soback at their house can I
interject real quick.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Yes, absolutely, I think this is the.
Maybe it's before this, but Ithink this is where he starts to
really like her.
Is at that club yeah, because hesees her just being like in her
element yeah, and I think Ithink it goes both ways okay,
but I do think before the clubhe was only doing this for the

(48:33):
money and maybe for thechallenge of trying to get a
date with this girl, and I thinkat the club now he's fully
invested in that he likes thisgirl yeah and now it's no more
about the money, he just wantsto go out with her so, back at
their house, bianca and chastityare trying to sneak out and I
I'm just going to say worstattempt ever.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
They're literally trying to sneak out the front
door, as their dad is sitting inthe room right there.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Yeah, and he's like where are you, harlotons, going?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
That house there's a million windows a million doors.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
That's what he said.
Should I use the window?

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
Why are you going out the front door?
None of that made sense to me.
It did not it clearly theyweren't really trying to sneak
out I didn't understand that Ijust wrote.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Could you be any more obvious?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
it kind of felt like I don't know if the timing lines
up, but I kind of felt likethat dad was gonna say what are
you wearing?

Speaker 4 (49:25):
oh, I could have seen that too.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, that just felt like because of the calvin klein
, like you know like yeah itjust felt like that scene, like
you copied that scene.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah, and she starts begging to go and he's you know,
his rule is that she can't goif cat doesn't go.
So she's begging cat to go tothis party and finally she
agrees which the dad is notexpecting to happen.
So that's when Bianca oh,john's going to miss this.
Bianca has to wear thepregnancy belly.

(49:57):
He says all right do a lap withthe pregnancy belly, not all
night, but just around the housea couple times, so that she can
understand the full weight ofher decisions.
So when Kat opens the frontdoor, patrick's waiting for her
and he just asks who knocked upyour sister?
So we flashed to bogeylowenstein's house.

(50:21):
And this is when he's having alittle.
Um, it's like a cigar andwhiskey party, I guess.
And somebody rings the bell andhe asks who's here with the
brie?
And he opens it and people justbarge in.
And that was it.
And they just they bringeverything.

(50:42):
And when Kat arrives, joey juststarts antagonizing her Until
he notices a fight breaking outwhere he gets really excited and
has a super high pitch voice ohyeah, bye, moves over there and
they just completely take outthe entire back door well when
he says can you guys take itoutside?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
and then just go right through the door and he
goes thank you, I just want thatname.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Let me talk about that.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Bogey Lowenstein.
What do you think that's short?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
for I don't know, bogert.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Bogerson.
Do you think it's short?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Bogey.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
I can see it being Bogert I can't booger booger.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
So cameron approaches bianca.
She seems a little embarrassedto see him and then ditches him
for joey but quickly getsextremely bored by joey as he's
talking about himself and hismodeling and showing her
different poses that he has foreverything how about there's a?

Speaker 5 (51:53):
I don't know if this is where we're at right this
second, but when he shows, whenhe shows her two different face
shots and all the onlydifference between the two is
that one's in a black shirt andone's in a white shirt.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
It probably was photoshopped.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Exact pose.
He's like.
Which one do you like better?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
It's like so many red flags before this moment.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Hasn't everyone gone to high school with a guy like
that though?

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Super handsome.
Like I don't know.
I feel like we all know thatguy.
That was just super douchey.
Who you were?
No, not me, like I don't know,like I feel like we all know
that guy.
So I was just a super douchey,yeah, you were no, not me I
thought that's what you said.
I was just super douchey.
He's like I was that guy you'relike no, I wasn't, I was a
super handsome guy.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah, not the douchey guy oh, this is our favorite
part.
They flash to cat has been eversince.
Joey was like antagonizing herand really getting her upset.
She's been taking shots allnight.
And now she pulls off herjacket and she is dancing on the
table.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
I want to give a fact about that scene, ryan's
favorite part.
It was my favorite part.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Our fact might be the same, so I'll let you go first.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
You sure?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, okay, everybody knows this fact.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Then tell me the fact .
All right, I'm going to tellyou.
What I know is that they wantedto hire a choreographer for the
scene and they said this issuch an important scene, we need
to get you a choreographer.
And she said I can dance andinsist it.
And then, like, I think what Iloved about that is that it

(53:28):
showed that the actress and therole she was playing is where
it's almost like there's asimilarity there, the confidence
to be able to say no, I gotthis.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
And then she goes and pulls it off with that dance
scene actually caught the eye ofdirector Thomas Carter, who
cast her in the 2001 film Savethe Last Dance, and it was
because of this dance scene thathe he saw her do cast her like

(54:00):
immediately.
So she got her next role fromfrom that tabletop dance scene.
She quickly hits her head onthe chandelier and is like
completely knocked out andPatrick catches her.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
I think this is also where we realize that the
Patrick is a good guy.
A gentleman A gentleman,exactly Because she's just like
doing shots after shots, andhe's like, are you sure you want
to do that?
And she's like, isn't this whatwe do?
Am I not just supposed to belike everyone else and get
smashed?
And then, um this?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
is where I think that's the scene progresses.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
You see more of that yeah, yeah, um, and we do see as
he's taking, trying to take catout of the house.
Cameron approaches him and, um,he's like the plan is the
plan's off.
Bianca wants Joey, she doesn'twant me, and he just, even
though he's like dealing withKat, he encourages Cameron not

(54:59):
to give up on her and then hetakes Kat over to the swings,
which I just can't think of,something I would not want to do
more while being drunk.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
That sounds great.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
She great landed on her ass too but they're on the
swings and talking and she'skind of like falling asleep and
he's trying to keep her awakeand the whole time I'm like,
okay, I think it's time to go tothe hospital, like she bashed
her head.
But then she just throws uplike all over the ground and
they realize that like he's like, okay, I'm gonna drive your car

(55:36):
home.
The whole time I'm thinkingthey like literally just left
bianca she was like they all,they all went together and they,
just she was that's her sisterand they just left her there and
she's just like waiting and shelike doesn't have a ride before
we get to that part.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Do you think she it was planned for her to slip and
fall on the swing, or she justmissed it.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Oh, I don't know.
I didn't see anything aboutthat being I feel like she
missed it yeah, maybe and justwent with it because it was a
drunk scene.
Bianca comes up with an excusenot to leave with Joey, as he
offers her a ride.
But Chastity says she doesn'thave a curfew, so she goes with
him.
So Bianca ends up askingCameron for a ride.

(56:24):
So as Patrick drives Kat home,I will just say that as they get
to her house she is all of asudden completely sober I wish
it worked that way.
They all are cat leans in tokiss him and he leans away
another gentlemanly?

(56:45):
yeah, definitely like, yeah, Iwas like, yeah, it's smashed and
that feels awful and I wishlike he did the right thing.
I wish he just like saidsomething to her took advantage
of her.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
No no, what was the right thing?
I'm confused.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I said, said something to her like oh, I do
really like you, but I don'twant to do this while you're
drunk.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Right, I think that's , and she got really upset about
it Exactly, she felt completelyyeah.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
Like and she got really upset about it Exactly,
she felt completely dismissed,but he didn't realize how sober
she was at that point.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Because obviously it takes like five minutes to sober
up Right right, she was totallysober by then.
So as Cameron drives Biancahome, they pull up to her house
and he calls her out and hetells her how selfish she's
being and she confesses.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
I love that about him .
I did really like that too.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
They pull up to her house and he calls her out and
he tells her how selfish she'sbeing and she confessed I love
that, I did really like that too.
And she confesses that she yeah, she's like you're right.
And then she kisses him so likecompletely opposite of what was
happening in the other car, andthen she leaves and he just
says and I'm back in the game.
That should have been a quoteon I'm back in the game.
That should have been a quoteon there.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Back in the game.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
We're flipping.
Now we're back at school andeveryone's harassing Kat about
dancing at the party and Kat'steacher actually kicks her out
of class when she's quiet anddoesn't argue with any of his
comments.
I think he's completely freakedout by her.
Like change in attitude here.
So now Michael is now hittingon Kat's friend, which I felt

(58:22):
kind of came out of likeabsolutely nowhere, and he's
kind of trying to get feelersout to like how she feels about
Patrick, but like he's alsoclearly really into her too.
And so now Joey's asking Biancato prom and he lets her know
that Kat will be going to prom.
He's got this all figured outand he gives money to Patrick to

(58:43):
take her to prom.
So he's like got it covered forlike the tuxes and everything
else, um, and he refuses 200200,but he'll take $300.
So it's almost like the firsttime Joey offers him $200, he's
being the nice guy, but once hehit $300, he kind of couldn't
resist.
But Patrick tries to get thecourage to talk to Kat and he

(59:06):
follows her for a few stores asshe's running some errands and
then he finally talks to her atthe bookstore.
Now Cameron is telling Patrickthat he's really um, embarrassed
um, and suggests um that theyneed to like even the score.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
This is okay.
So this is a big moment in themovie.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Yeah, so he really he thinks that he needs to do
something for her, so that likeembarrass himself embarrass
himself exactly so that it doeseven the score.
So you're gonna play it.
This is actually heath ledgersinging really yeah interesting
um, and this scene was totallyinspired by a lot of john hughes

(59:47):
like 80s movies yeah, the dance, the walk, the run across the
yeah, it was all yeah, and itlike reminded me of, like,
what's the movie with john q?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
so say anything where he's got the boom backs and
it's just like confessing youcan hear his accent and the

(01:00:30):
smiles on her face at this pointsays it all oh, he's got the
whole marching band this mighthave been one of my most
favorite parts of the movie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Yeah well, this is the the best part of the movie,
right here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You can sing into the microphone.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I'm not singing next to Heath Ledger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It's just not going to compare.
Consider it a duet.
I love when he's getting chased, but he's still singing at the
end of this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
It's the high stepping across the beaches what
exactly is here's security.
Security is coming up to himright now.
I think he's at the 10, the 5so he pays the guy to play this
hold on, hold on hold on, so hepays the guy to play this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Hold on, hold on, hold on Look there it is.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Nobody can see it, John, but you.
The high stepping makes it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
All right by this point, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Play by play.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
She's in love at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
He's at the 50, the 40, the 30.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Look at the transition from this character
though.
See it, only you can you keepcalling us to look All right,
but if you were watching themovie, you would know that a
transition has fully taken place.
They are in love and she is nolonger a shrew.
At this point.
She is a different person now,because she's accepted the fact

(01:02:15):
that she's totally embarrassed.
He's totally embarrassinghimself, yeah, but she seems
absolutely all right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
So he gets detention and cat breaks in and is trying
to distract the the the uhdetention teacher happens to be
her soccer coach I guess uh-huhum.
So she's trying to distract himand sneak Patrick out the
window and she's talking to himabout soccer strategies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
This is the part.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
We'll fake left and then go right, but how do we
make them look left?
And then she just flashes herteacher.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Flashes him Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
And then she gets detention, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
No, I'm assuming nothing.
Trueashes him Okay, and thenshe gets detention.
I'm assuming no, I'm assumingnothing.
True fact of the movie it was areal flash, really.
No, I have no clue, I'm justassuming it was real for the
effect.
No, I mean, I'm sure everythingwas covered.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, I don't think so either.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
And then they go paddle boating.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
How do you know about pasties?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Oh, previous life, All right yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
And they go sailing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
They go paddle boating.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Oh, that's right.
That's actually was put on aslike a what would you call it,
Like a mistake in the movie,because they're moving but
nothing around them is whenthey're paddle boating.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I didn't notice that yeah, oh, I don't know they're
just fake yeah, it's like thebiggest moment.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
It stinks huh um, but she shares that she acts the
way she does so that she cannever be disappointed.
And and Patrick says then youmessed up because you never
disappointed me.
Aww.
Then they go paintballing.
It was a pretty good date.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
But it was like balloons.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
It was pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Yeah, they were throwing paint balloons at each
other.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
They were throwing paint balloons.
I thought that was really cool.
I would do that over paintballyeah because then it doesn't
hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
And then they have their first kiss, as they're
like rolling around in the cafeWas that you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
That was good sound effects.
Yeah, it was the first kiss.
Probably not what I sound of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
So this was actually Julia Stiles' first on-screen
kiss, really.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
What is she in this movie About?
17?
, 18?
, she was born, oh I can't dothat math, I forget.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
She wasn't too far off from what we would have been
.
What have been what the?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
fuck, does that even mean?
I don't know what the hellyou're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
What have been?
She's close to our age now.
You mean, yeah, she's like 43now I don't know what the hell
you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
She's close to our age now you mean, yeah, she's
like 43 now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Close to your age.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
She's older than me.
She's younger than me.
She's 43.
I think she's 43.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
All right, why didn't you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
say, would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Well in 99, we would have been 20.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
At that time we would have been Okay, okay, gotcha.
We would have been.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I would have been 20 years old in 1999.
Yeah, I mean, like I was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
I think she was like 17 or 18.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
So this is cute.
This is where they're goingback and forth and they're
talking about the differentrumors that have been said about
them and which ones are trueand which ones are false.
So then she asks him to tellher something that's true and he
says I hate peas.
I hate peas I hate peas, I hatepeas.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Now, this is the part where they're on the boat.
But we're past that now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, we're past that we're like way in the jungle at
this point.
Oh good, did the director getblown up?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Headshot.
Blood's blooming.
There's blood everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
So then again, Patrick asks Kat to go to prom
and she refuses.
And then she starts gettingsuspicious of, like what his
motives are what drove.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
That though there was , I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
That's a great question I just didn't pick up
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, like did she hear her?

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
sister say something yeah I don't know, I think well
I think later on when you findout about her relationship with
like joey, like I think, maybeit just kind of like yeah, I do
think that's a hole in the movie, that, yeah well, I think we
find out about it later when shehas her talk with her sister
well, we know that part yeahyeah, but at that time they just
yeah said it moved on rightright wait

(01:06:43):
what um?
And then I like this part weflashed to bianca and cameron
with their little french tutorsession and bianca's just
speaking like fluent French soand Cameron has absolutely no
idea what she's saying and she'slike why haven't you asked me
to go to prom with you?
And she's really mad.
And he's just like saying thatin French yes, and she, he's

(01:07:03):
just like looking through thebook trying to figure out what
she's saying and then she justlike, has all the holes in it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
So how the frick did she learn french?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
she she actually takes french class um, and then
I think she was trying to getwith him since the beginning no,
I don't think that's absolutelywrong existed, but she loved

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
the model guy in the beginning yeah, um.
So then then we see michael um,he's putting a dress in mandela
, which is cat's best friend,her locker to ask her to prom.
This kind of seemed like likeout of the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
This relationship was very like thrown together yes,
yes like they had to givesomeone to this guy yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Yeah, and then I think that relationship was
budding on the side, but theywere useless characters, Right?
So then it just was like okay,we'll give you a date so you can
be there too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
My question I wrote in my notes how did he get in
her locker?
Like they always show that onmovies where people are like
putting things in people'slockers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
But how do you get it ?

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
How do you get?
I could barely remember my owncombination, let alone like
other people's combinations,like they picked the lock.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
They got in somehow.
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
knows, they put a stethoscope and they turned it
until they heard the click Moviemagic.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
All right.
So Bianca and her father areback at the house and they're
fighting about prom.
She really wants to go and hehe doesn't want her to be like
the dawson's river.
Kids is what he says who arethey, dawson's?
Creek is what he's talkingabout.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
That was a show.
I don't I know the show but Inever watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
But he Dawson's River , so he doesn't know that much
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Do they all get pregnant on that show?
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Do they?
I never watched it, but Ididn't think they did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Because that seems to be his biggest fear is that his
daughters will get pregnant.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Right, well, I mean, I guess that goes along with his
job.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
That's kind of how that goes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
So Kat comes into Bianca's room and she's watching
the real world at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Which I thought was hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Real world Seattle, which actually they were filming
in Washington, because that'swhere the school was too.
Interesting, okay, and Katstarts talking to her about how
she actually went out with joeywhen they.
I love how she says that.
She says we went out in ninthfor a month.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
By the way, I thought she said more than they went
out.
I thought they like she.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
She says that later, but that's how she.
She phrases that we went out inninth for a month, um, and then
she confesses to her that theyactually slept together and that
, um, this was right after theirmom had left um and everyone.
She confesses to her that theyactually slept together and that
, um, this was right after theirmom had left um and everyone
was doing it.
So she did it, um, and thenafterwards she told him that she
didn't want to do it anymoreand he dumped her because of

(01:10:03):
that you have a feeling thatthat's the only person she slept
with right yes she felt dirtyafter that.
And she promised she would never.
At that point she promised shewould never do anything, ever
again, just because everybodyelse was doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Good, and it's probably because her mom left a
lot of trauma.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah.
Just going through a lot.
Also, notice Bianca's room.
Those butterflies that I wastalking about are literally
everywhere.
She has them like framed allover her walls.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
I didn't notice this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
I didn't notice.
So Kat and Bianca are arguing,because Kat thought that she was
trying to protect her sister,but Bianca felt that she was
more like sheltering her andnever letting her experience
anything.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Can I ask you a quick question?
In your notes, some of them arelike you have red and black and
I want to know what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
So black is a summary .

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Okay, what's the red?

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Red are like the facts that I found out about it.
And blue are my thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
And what's in the margin?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
You have notes in the margin, oh, those are the
sections, because Ryan said hewanted to split it up into
sections which I'm not sure thatwe did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
We did not do that today, but then I broke it up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
We'll do that next time We'll get better at this,
okay.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Okay, so now we're on to section eight, according to
my notes, which is the lastsection to my notes, which is
last section.
We're doing good on time.
So we're finally getting to theprom part.
So kat decides that she will goto prom and you see her coming
downstairs and bianca's gonna gotoo and their dad is like what

(01:11:45):
is happening.
And cameron comes to the doorto pick up bianca and he
threatens him before they'regoing to the prom.
And so then we're at the promand they have a full band at
their prom.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
That goes to show how much money they have.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
We had a DJ, you had a band.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
We didn't have a band oh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I thought you said same for us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
No save ferris.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
The band was save ferris, really oh, that's what
the band was called I didn'tknow that that's why you kept
sending us did you guys notwatch the goddamn movie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Come on now, now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
Save Ferris is from Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
I have no idea.
That's the reference.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
I picked up but remember he was sending us those
things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
No, I don't.
There's two bands and they'rethe actual bands, Save Ferris.
I'll pull it up for you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
But when you sent those in our group chat.
I thought you were randomlyquoting were randomly like
quoting, like ferris bueller'syeah, I blew right through that
I was like I don't know whatyou're talking about you might
need to leave us morebreadcrumbs to your jokes oh,

(01:13:07):
okay, something I picked up ontoo, when, when kat walks in and
you see her like in her fullgown and everything she is
wearing pearls and I'm like, arethose the mom's pearls?
Maybe this is like a switch inhow she's like, like you know
her whole personality now, butyeah, you know what?

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
I bet you?
I bet you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
There's a lot there that says she's she's like
letting go of things and movingon I feel like the movie could
have done more with the momsituation yeah, they.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
They didn't touch on that really at all, but they
touched on it, just enough foryou to say I wonder what
happened to the mom.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
But then they never, they never tell you no, you
never find out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
I feel like the movie would have been better served
had they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Was this the song in the movie?

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Is this it?

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
The way Ryan's dancing, dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
It must be it it's a good song and he did look like
austin powers right mm-hmm,right, you're digging the song.
See you like it.
It's not bad.
Yeah, good song, very upbeat.

(01:14:37):
I kind of feel like you didn'twatch this part, though, because
you didn't hear that songbefore.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
That's I guess they're walking in.
But then, as they're dancingfor a little bit, we find out
that patrick got cat's favoriteband Letters to Cleo to come
play at the prom.
What happened so literally hespent more than what Joey paid

(01:15:03):
him on different things for her.
I think at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
What is the name of the song that Letters to Cleo
plays?
Do you know Anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I'll have to you know , Anybody no.
Ferris Jesus Christ, ferrisBueller.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Did I say Ferris, I didn't say Bueller Ferris.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Ferris.
He paid more than $300 forthese guys.

Speaker 5 (01:15:35):
Apparently he has money and a car.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
There's just a lot of love going on at this point yes
that is perfect, and that isnot getting cut out.
Who was that?

(01:16:11):
Who was that?
No, was that you?
Yeah, oh, I thought it was you.
No, I was totally lip syncing.
Oh, it's staying in there.
All right, there we go okay, sowe are.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
We're in the bathroom now.
Bianca is meeting chastity andshe is there with Joey and she
tells Bianca that Joey neverreally liked her.
I'm just like.
I thought these two were likebest friends, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Wait, who were the?

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
best friends Chastity and Bianca.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Who's Chastity?

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
It's high school friends, gabrielle Union, I had
real friends in high school whoI'm still friends with today,
and we would have never treatedeach other like that anyway,
good for you well, thanks, loveyou girls anyway, jules Sterling

(01:17:06):
loves you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Do they know about this podcast yet?
No, don't tell them everythingapparently they're not that good
of friends so joey confrontspatrick on the dance floor about
the whole plan.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
He was supposed to, you know, seduce cat so he could
get to bianca and cat.
Here is the entire plan.
Guys, I'm on my last page.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
They could have done better at that scene I feel like
because that's so typical ofevery movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
It's like the one person's over the shoulder.
Here's the whole plot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
How would you have done it better, ryan?
I don't know.
I mean honestly that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
That's why they get paid a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
I mean that's why this is like it's a good movie,
it's a cute movie.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I mean it's good because oh, the real feelings
are coming out now.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Well, I mean it is.
It's a pretty depleted plot.
It's too cookie cutter to begreat.
The acting is good, some of thelines are good, but overall
there's a little too much.
It's just too formulaic to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
For the 90 minutes of the show, I would say 60
minutes of it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:21):
solid, the movie, yeah, or our show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
No, we're about like 10 minutes of solid Good point,
good point, good point, goodpoint.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
All right, let's finish up the last scene here.
So Joey confronts Cameron andpunches him after insulting
Bianca, and then Bianca punchesJoey in the face and she's I
love this, I love this linethat's for making my date bleed
Another punch.
That's for my.
My date bleed Another punch.
That's for my sister.
And then she knees him in thegroin and that's for me.

(01:18:58):
This was like Bianca did this,yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
You don't remember this part.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
This is like my favorite part.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
You go, girl.
She kicked his ass.
Good for him.
They have black eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Good for her.
That's what I meant.
So our very last scene.
We're back at the house and katis um, telling her dad about
how bianca beat a guy up and heshares that he's impressed and
he shares that, uh, it's hard tosee his kids grow up and not
need them anymore, um, and thatkat hasn't really needed him for

(01:19:32):
a long time, but Bianca stilllets him, lets him help out
sometimes and he starts sharingabout how he can't wait to come
up and see her at Sarah Lawrenceand she gets really excited and
realizes that she's going to beable to go.
So back at school.
Joey has a black eye.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yeah, joey, joey's a little bit of got his ass kicked
.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Yeah, I mean right up in the beginning of the movie,
joey makes his comments, butthen, you know, cat could fuck
him up at any moment clearlybianca as well exactly anybody
that's why I kind of love thatit was her yeah, yeah, but

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
we're in um cat's english class and she volunteers
to read her poem first.
Um, and this was actuallyfilmed in one take and I
actually I looked this up afterI watched it.
But while watching it I kind ofnoticed that there was one part
where she stumbled over like aword and I was kind of wondering

(01:20:30):
if that was like so they likekept that in it.
I think probably to like keepit like supernatural sounding
can I pull this up?

Speaker 5 (01:20:36):
yep, yeah and the tears were real yeah, really he
said, lord, here we go Okay okay, how do we talk?

(01:21:36):
Over that.
Let's, let's just give it aminute so we can all gather
ourselves what do you say tothat?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
that's really nice.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
You're just gonna cry look, this is all you have to
say right there.
Look at heath ledger's face.
He's, he's an owner.
Yeah, you okay.
Do you need a?

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
minute yeah you good, you say she's his lobster.
Yeah, friends lobster?

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
no, I don't know this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:22:06):
So cat walks off to her car and she sees a guitar
sitting in the driver's seat.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
He bought her one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
And Patrick.
Appears he used all the cashthat Joey gave him to buy the
guitar, although also the band.
The band and buying off the guyso he could do the promposal
and all those other things.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
This guy literally is in debt.
I'm pretty sure he needs tosell another liver.
He has so many livers he's soldthree of them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
So they kiss and then Kat tells him that he can't buy
her a guitar.
Every time he messes up and Ilike that she addressed the love
bombing there.
And then it's the credits andit's the very end of the movie
and we see her favorite bandLetters to Cleo and they're
playing on the roof of theschool.
And the director actually didnot get permission, but he just

(01:23:05):
did it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Wait, he didn't get permission to do what.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
To have them play on the roof.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
I was going to say he had to get permission for them
to show up and play, but hedidn't get permission from the
school For the roof shot theroof shot.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
You don't ask permission, you just ask for
forgiveness.
You had not seen this before.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
Never, no, no, okay.
And I'll say I think it wasfairly given about a seven.
I think that's pretty fair forwhat the movie is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
I'm not sure it's a classic.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Well, it's listed as a cult classic Cult classic,
cult classic.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Cult's doing some lifting there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yeah, cult classic.
It's listed as a cult classic,but this is my type of movie so
I liked it Out of 5, I'd go four, four and a half.
Okay For the first, 69.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
All right, we need to stay on the same number scale.
You're giving it a seven out often.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
You're giving it a four out of five.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
All right, I think out of ten I'm in.
You know what I'll?

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
go a little higher.
That changes it for me.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
All right, I would go a little higher than 7.
I'd say 7.5.
That's about where I'm at, Justabout an, almost just a hair
under an 8.
I would do that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
I would do 7.5 out of 10.
That changes because I have a 5, I go 4, 4.5.
10?
10's much higher.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Well, wait, 10 is much higher than 5.
Good point there.
Thank you for helping us allout with that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Probably twice as high you know, actually, if you
really wanted to measure that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
See, this is where we start recording, Erica.
What did you think?

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
of this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
I agree with this.
It was good.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
So out of 10, give it a number, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
I'd go with a seven.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Okay, all right.
And Caitlin, we know you thinkfour and a half, right three I'd
give it an eight, an eight allright, I think an eight is fair.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
I have good like I don't know like me and my
friends would watch it like, soI have like a lot of memories
associated with it as well Icould see how it's rewatchable.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
It has enough scenes in it that like you could just
put it on and say, go do thedishes but come back and watch
it Like it's it's.
It can be on in the background.
It's a good background.
I want you to want me.

(01:25:40):
I need you to need me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
I love you to love me .
I'm begging you to pay me.
I want you to want me.
I need to shine like a diamondTo be like that and want me.
I'm a diamond To be like thatand want me.

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