Episode 2 (Cody Byrd)

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In this episode of The MOWAKing Chronicles, I’m joined by one of my closest friends, Cody, who I’ve known for a long time. We dive into our shared passion for college football, discussing the highs, lows, and everything in between. From debating the current state of the game to reminiscing about some of our favorite matchups, we cover it all.

But it doesn’t stop there—we also explore our thoughts on professional sports including the NFL, MLB, and Pro wrestling, reflecting on current events and give you a glimpse into the conversations that have kept our friendship strong for over 30 years.

Lastly, we’ll dive into family and the current political state, sharing our thoughts on what’s happening in the world today and how it affects the people closest to us. Whether it’s navigating the challenges of parenthood or discussing the changes in the political landscape, we bring our honest perspectives to the table.

Whether you’re a sports fan or just here for a good conversation, this episode has something for everyone. Tune in and join us as we laugh, reflect, and chat about the topics we’re passionate about.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
what's going on everyone, welcome again to your
boy, the mohawk king, and themohawk king chronicles today's
episode.
We're going to have our firstguest on here, we're going to
have someone that I've known fora long time, close friend of
mine, and we're going to getinto some faith, politics,

(00:36):
sports, really, whatever.
So once again, welcome to theMoal King Chronicles on this
exciting episode.
So today we got Mr Cody Bird.
Cody, welcome, appreciate youcoming bro.
Oh yeah, so yes for the world.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So for those that don't know, cody, like I said,
is a good friend of mine.
We've known each other.
What did you say since aboutkindergarten or so, two damn
long?
So tell a little bit aboutwhere you grew up.
Uh, I don't know what's.
What's some of your favoritememory that you think you had

(01:14):
when we was little and all likewhat's your favorite thing you
remember?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
oh man oh, I just, I guess you know different times
we, I just remember us allgetting together and we just,
man, it wouldn't be nothing forus throwing the wood and just be
going on throughout the clubfishing on the creek, go to the
creek anytime we wanted to.
Now you, you can't, uh, can'thardly go out the front door

(01:42):
yeah, kids, today has got it awhole lot different.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Today I don't know nothing about it.
Yeah, growing up being at thattime in Cal State and growing up
generally in the 90s, we had alot of good stuff.
We had good shows, good toys.
It was just a different time.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
A lot of people don't really understand, but 96,
especially then it was a funplace to grow up, man.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, and our people's kind of different.
So a few things I want to kindof get into today and get to
talking with you about.
So before we kind of dive intothat, you know you mentioned
that you and I both went to highschool and then after high
school we graduated.
We both got different jobs, alot of different jobs.

(02:29):
So it was something funny thatwe've done.
We went all the way up toIndiana.
That was an experience.
First time I've been on a plane.
First time I've been on a plane.
That ain't been yesterday either.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, what was that?
That's 12 years ago 12 yearsago.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Isn't that insane.
Where's the time gone.
But hey, it's something we'veenjoyed being part of life.
Now, something I want to askyou.
We'll go ahead and get itstarted to it.
You and I are big sports fans,so we're going to dive right
into college football.
Dive right into collegefootball.
What's your takes on collegefootball right now?
You're an Oklahoma fan.
I see you sporting an Oklahomashirt.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot of people don't know that about me.
I've lived in northern MobileCounty, alabama, all my life and
probably the only Oklahoma fan.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
The only one I know of In the county probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Maybe in the state, I don't know.
But yeah, I've always taken aflag for that between Alabama
and Auburn fans.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Since really you've been what?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
middle school, high school, yeah, I started becoming
an Oklahoma fan when they backin, probably 2000,.
They was making a run for thechampionship.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Who was the coach at the time?
Bob Stoops.
Bob Stoops, y'all won thechampionship in 2000?
2000.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was kind of a down time for Alabama and Auburn and
I just couldn't.
My daddy was all my.
It was kind of split.
My daddy was Alabama, mybrother was Auburn, my cousins
all were split between Auburnand Alabama.
You were an Alabama fan.
I just never picked a side andneither one of them was all that
good.
That was the dark times for theTide.

(04:09):
Some of y'all Alabama fansdon't.
Y'all forgot it, I guess.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I know, but it was a bad, bad time.
It was a tough time.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Aaron, that Mike Dubose era.
Yeah, the Mike Dubose era.
And then we got Mike Shula.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And then you had Mike Price.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It didn't last long.
I had to kick him to the curb.
He couldn't leave strippersalone.
Yeah, and then all of a suddengot about 2006, 2007, we got
Nick.
Saban, which was kind of crazy,because when he was at the
Dolphins he said I am not thecoach at Alabama, it's just not
going to happen.
Then he came in that firstseason and really established

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that program at Alabama.
It just kind of took off fromthere.
You and I watched somechampionships come along then
from Alabama.
Oklahoma's had some good teamsthough since then.
What about this year?
What do you think about yourteam this?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
year.
Oh man, I don't even know ifyou've got a long enough show.
Where do I start?
I mean, we've got injuries, butevery team's got injuries.
There's time to.
You've got to adjust and getbeyond it.
There's been no progression.
They just got worse and worseevery year.
I mean every week.
You at least want to see themget better.

(05:29):
If they've gotten worse, I'dlet you know something's wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I don't know if you know it but they fired our
offensive coordinator yesterday.
Oh, really, yeah.
So Brent Venables is.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, he's still the head coach.
He's still the head coach, butjust looking for.
Offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, let's talk about Lincoln Riley.
You feel betrayed by LincolnRiley, by him just kind of
tucking tail and going toCalifornia.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You know how I felt about Lincoln Riley.
I wasn't the biggest fan of himbecause and USC, I think, is
fine in the now he just he's agood offensive mind, but I don't
know about head coach.
He puts me in the mind LaneKiffin is almost similar.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean you consider Caleb Williams.
Does he talk about his time inOklahoma more than he does his
US time?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
He won a high zone with USC, so he probably I mean,
it is what it is Water underthe bridge.
We've moved on now, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Kind of the same thing, like with us and Jalen.
I mean, jalen left Nick Sabanin the midst of the Tua tongue
of a lower era but you know Ireally hated to see Jalen leave.
I believed in Jalen but Iunderstand why he done it.
He got y'all Jalen wound up,getting y'all to the playoffs
right.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh yeah, jalen was you know, and kind of Lincoln
Riley and he kind of, I think,progressed Jalen and helped him
become a better quarterbackreally.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
But now we got a defensive coach and he's turning
our defense around.
Back then we had a greatoffense with no defense.
Now we got, I think, achampionship-worthy defense.
But we got, I think, achampionship-worthy defense, but
we got no offense now.
So we just got to figure outhow to get it together and I
knew, coming into this season,it was going to be a long year
because of just our schedule.
It's just brutal when you haveto deal with Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
First time in the SEC .
Yeah, I knew it was going to betough.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean next to Florida, we got the second,
probably hardest schedule.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
But Well, alabama and Oklahoma is going to play
November 23rd in Norman.
Yeah, that's going to beinteresting.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I had plans to go to that game, like I've been
telling you, but I'm kind ofpushing them plans back now.
I don't want to.
We just lost by 26 to SouthCarolina.
I don't want to.
I don't know if I'm comfortablegoing up there and getting
blown out by y'all, but y'allgoing through a tough stretch.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's growing pains of having Kalen DeBoer as a new
coach, players leaving.
I don't know if you watched thePat McAfee show, but Saban kind
of said it this past week afterthe loss, saying that Alabama
went through the transfer, hadlike 23-something players enter
the transfer portal when youjust lose that.
But regardless, I just think itcomes down to discipline.

(08:12):
The discipline has changed.
Which college football haschanged?
We talked about that many times.
I mean the NIL.
What is up with that?
I think it's too unregulatedout of control so much.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And I mean you've talked about it the NCAA don't
really have nobody to blame butthemselves.
They had opportunity way backto try to give these players
something and they just sat onit.
Sat on it, pushed it off,pushed it off.
And now these players, they'reout for blood.
They want more and more.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, it's too unregulated.
It's too unregulated, it's toomuch.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'm all for the players getting a piece of the
pie, but you're talking aboutWell, you're making them
employees.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
How do you distinguish it now?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
from On the verge of being unionized now.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, how do you unionize a student body?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't know man.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
To me it's like they've taken the student out of
the student athlete.
Yeah, they know what that is,but what do you do for like
other sports like collegebaseball, college basketball?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
you know softball, volleyball track it's going to
be.
I mean, they're going to someof them.
Athletes are going to have,they're going to be dealing with
NIL as well, especiallybasketball.
Basketball is a big sport forall universities and NCAA in
general.
They're going to have a say-soalso.
But it's a matter of nice, Noton that.

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But it's not stopping withcollege.
It's going to the high schoollevel now.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Which is insane.
Is that not insane?
We talk about 14, 15-year-oldkids already.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's NIL deals.
They'll be making more than theteachers and the coaches.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
They'll be making more than the coaches Some of
them, I'm sure, when you gotthese public school systems.
I think that's a little toomuch.
I think they need to get ahandle on some of that.
You know the NCAA does somegood stuff.
I mean, the NIL is always goingto be controversial because I
know a buddy at work told youthat he don't like it because it
takes away from the bowl gamesand I see that on one aspect,

(10:12):
like the NIL and playerstransferring and then the
playoffs just kind of reallydiminish the bowl games.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's kind of good and bad.
I don't like how far NIL isdoing and I thought the transfer
portal was good initially, butnow it's getting out of hand.
They need to reel it back inBecause, I mean, coaches can cut
and run out of a contractanytime they want.
I was all for a paid playerbeing able to make a transfer
once and not be penalized, butnow they can just transfer.

(10:42):
Wherever they want to goTransfer almost now.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well then we had COVID, and so players could opt
out for two years.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So now you have players that's opted out to try
to go back to Oklahoma.
Dylan Gabriel transferred fromUCF to Oklahoma and then
transferred last year fromOklahoma to Oregon.
He's doing good at Oregon, butI just think it's too much.
Like I said it's good and bad.
But the good part of collegefootball now and you talk about

(11:12):
it is the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, well, let's talk about it.
What's your thoughts on theplayoffs, which you and I have
said all the way back to the BCSera that they should have been
some kind of playoff system.
And then, when they finallydecided to do it in 13-14, when
they voted on it in 13 and saidthe 2014 season, we're going to
have a 14 playoff Right, and youand I even said way back then

(11:37):
that that wasn't going to reallywork.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It was better than the BCS.
I give that.
And the BCS was better than theBCS, I give that.
And the BCS was better than theold system.
But because, look, for ahundred years college football
was the only sport that youdidn't have no playoff.
You debated constantly on whowas champion, the only sport
that had happened.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You had it in basketball, though you had
playoffs in basketball.
Even baseball Every sport,every sport.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It in basketball, though.
You had playoffs in basketball,even baseball.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Every sport, every sport had playoffs, except for
college football, if you go backin time.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Even Alabama a lot of Alabama's championships is
split debated.
Oklahoma got a handful ofchampionships split debated.
There should be no debate.
There should be no splitchampionship.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
But they had it in college football, just not at
the D1 level.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It was at the D2 level.
Yeah, you had it in another.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
So you had it in the sub-sec level where they were
already doing it it was justabout money.
It's money.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
The bowl system was all about money.
But again, pcs was better.
At least you had a nationalchampionship game.
And then it finally morphedinto a 14 college football,
which was it wasn't enough.
I knew it wasn't going to beenough then, but it was better.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I think we should have said what did we say?
Eight team, eight was mine,eight was kind of the goal,
perfect number, yeah.
And then now they just bumpedit up to 12?
.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, and I mean I'd stop at 12, but I hear they're
going to bump it back up to 14.
They're probably going to keepgoing.
I think that's going to be toomuch, hopefully.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Or even 16.
I just think, well, what do youdo with the bowl games?
Then I think now, if you havethat many teams, now we're going
to start seeing these two lossand three loss teams going on.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's going to be a different way to look at it.
I mean, you're not going to.
You know you're going to have.
It's opening up the car forCinderella.
You're going to have Cinderella, I think.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, you're going to have a group of five.
I think the kind of conferencesthat was underrepresented.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
No debate, man.
Yeah, it's going to settle onthe field.
That's the main thing to me.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
But then this has been a crazy year as far as
power conferences, because nowyou don't even have a Pac-12
anymore.
I mean you had all the teamsreally making super conferences,
and imagine the money that'sdealt in these deals with these
super conferences Billions.
Tv deals.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, I think it was $7 billion.
They just signed with ESPN withthe TV deal they just signed
with.
Espn yeah you got some and Idon't think it's going to stop.
I think it's going to have.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So where does it stop ?
At Like, where would be thechange that would be made?
Just say you was the NCAAcommissioner.
What changes would you make?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Just say you was the NCAA commissioner, what changes
would you make?
Just rein in the collectives onhow they just pay these players
these millions of dollars?
I just don't.
I don't have a problem with theplayers.
I think they could get morestipend for, you know, whatever

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the food, any of their, um, justlife what about the education,
though?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I mean, that was the whole point of kind of going to
school, or it used to be.
When you went to college, yousupposed to get your education
and all yeah I mean, no doubtthat's important, but I mean
that's not even.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I mean that's not the kid I serve.
These guys get these big, go tothese big schools, get
recruited.
They got one thing in mind,that's to go to the next level
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
You think that's what Make millions.
You think that's what made NickSaban kind of finally hang it
up.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think it was part of, I think and I think it was,
yeah, him having to deal withthe NIL, because he even
mentioned it that players wascoming up to him wanting to, you
know, wanting to get paid,wanting when is he going to get
paid?
When is he going to get paid?
This when?
And I think yeah, I think itwas part of it, and I think the
transfer portal kind of thetransfer portal is hit and miss

(15:48):
with me.
It's starting to level theplaying field a little bit where
it's making college football alittle more parity, where just
the big schools are not justdominating all the time but
doesn't that kind of almost makea monopoly on it so to speak
Because, say, you get a guy, hegets a scholarship, but then if
he don't like something, or Ithink what was the case we was
reading about he wasn't gettinghis money.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Was it New Mexico State's?
Quarterback, that wasn'tgetting his money or getting
stuff he was promised and thenhe would beat him.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm not saying it monopolizes it, but it I don't
know, it just opens it up.
I mean, it was a monopolyreally before.
I mean Alabama, ohio State,texas, Oklahoma, even.
I mean it was just always themschools getting the best of the
best of the best, justconstantly.
And you know it was justcollege football has always been

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a I don't know where the bigschools, always.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Where it always seemed like they got the
advantage when it comes to it, Imean if they got the money then
you pay the players.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
There's never been really a lot of parity in
college football.
You think we're going to get,especially in the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
You think we're going to get like a budget, so to
speak, because you know how theNFL's got like a cap limit
Salary, salary cap?
Yeah, you think that would besomething they would eventually
maybe try to enforce.
Could be like a profit sharingalmost it could be, but then
you're not making it a collegesport anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Now you're making it a professional.
Yeah, I mean I think we're pastthat now.
I mean that's just somethingwe're going to have to deal with
.
But I mean I think they canSaban's even talked about it
they can rein it in and make itjust well.
It's not the Wild Wild Westwhere you're just paying a
million dollars for this playerto.
I mean, I'm all for them beingable to, you know, get money for

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, let's say, they want to do acommercial and.
I'm all for that.
If a company comes up to aplayer, they should be able to,
you know, be able to do thatcommercial and get paid for it.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
That's really what the name, image and likeness
stands for it's what it'ssupposed to be.
But then you've penalizedpeople before it's morphed into.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's like a machine.
But then, like you said, it'sgone too far If they try to
start introducing it to highschool.
There's states that arestarting.
What did we read about?
It was like Georgia, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Oh yeah, florida.
I think they've been doing itfor a year or two now.
Alabama's supposed to start.
It's supposed to start nextyear.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Just, you know my wife's in the school system and
so her being in it and the restof the teachers, that's out
there.
What do you do when you got akid?
Just say, like Ryan Williams,Use him, for example, because
he's 17.
You know how good he is atsports, but then he goes to a
school let's just sayBaker-Saralyn, a public school

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and then do you cater to himbecause he's not performing at
his school?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Say if his grades is not there you know they're
supposed to maintain a C-plusaverage.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
But really, how lenient is that C-plus average?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It's been going on.
Let's not kid ourselves.
I mean it's been going on evenat the high school level.
These players have been gettingsome extra stuff on the side.
But now I mean, just like incollege, it's been going on in
college Since the time footballbegan.
I believe there's been someextra stuff being given to

(19:12):
certain players all the time,but now it just seems like
you're wide open.
Now it's in the open and it'sthe wild, wild west, it's the
wild, wild west.
I mean that's the bad part.
Like I said, the playoffs.
You got the good and the badnow.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
The playoffs, I think was the good part of it that
eventually led to it.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Now it might, I don't know if it gets too much.
I think 12 is where I wouldleave it.
But I mean, let's go throughthe season now the way it is, we
know we're going to get you'regoing to get four teams from
each conference champion.
It's going to be your top fourteams.
You're going to get the bye.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then a group of five champion is going to get
automatic and that's going to beinteresting for this year being
the first.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Where do the other teams come from?
Where do they?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
come from?
And then how do you determinewhich group of five champion?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Because if you got say an Army, it's going to be
the highest ranked group of fivechampion.
That's one way, but what do youdo with the other ones?
You're right.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
What do you have?
If you have like an Army or aNavy, or you know something in
the AAC or you know Boise State?

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And UNLV, they're playing in there.
It's going to be interesting.
I don't know UNLV, they'replaying in there.
It's going to be interesting,all I know.
I mean I know that the highestranked group of five will
automatically get in.
There's a possible chance foranother group of five team to
maybe sneak in there.
I don't see it happeningbecause there's so many teams.
I mean, just look at all theteams that are undefeated, or

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one loss in the SEC.
A lot In the Big Ten, in theBig 12, in the ACC.
There's still a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
So, seeing that, and I think we talked about it the
last time what right now, as weall week eight, week nine,
what's your favorite team to winit all right now?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, I, picked Texas before the season to win it all
.
They looked good and other thanGeorgia, just Georgia might be
the best team right now.
I mean, just look at what theydid to Texas Saturday, and that
was in Austin, that was in Texas, that was in Texas 100,000

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people.
And Georgia didn't play noperfect game, turned the ball
over three times, but they stillhandled Texas.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
They kept fighting, they kept fighting.
I think we talked about some ofthe big games you're going to
have coming up this week thatcould have potential.
You know consequences for thisweek.
I know we had thatSyracuse-Pitt game.
It's going to be this Thursday.
You know Boise State-UNLV Ithink could be a potential

(21:55):
playoff game.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
That we're seeing this week, that's this week too.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, it's this Thursday, friday.
It's Friday this week, so it'sa lot.
Something else we've talked alot about college football.
What about baseball we're justabout?
So it's a lot.
Something else we haven'ttalked a lot about college
football.
What about baseball?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
We just about to the World Series right now.
Yeah, it's supposed to start.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Friday.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
So the Yankees clinched.
The Yankees clinched Saturday,I think, and then the Dodgers
clinched yesterday.
Who did you pick?
I picked the Dodgers before itall started.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Now the Yankees?
You thinking the Yankees mighttake it?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
No, I got the Dodgers .

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You still saying the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I think it's going to be a great series.
This is the series that MLB.
The powers that be want it.
They want it.
The Dodgers and the Yankees.
This is like Alabama versusOhio State almost.
This is two major franchises.
This is the two biggestfranchises in baseball.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
East Coast and West Coast, yeah, not to mention the
market.
Yeah, that's going to be somemoney spent.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I didn't know it, but it was the 12th time the
Dodgers and Yankees has playedin the World Series.
Wow that's interesting.
They haven't played since the70s, but this is kind of a
rivalry.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
This is going to be an interesting series.
It'll be starting Friday.
We've got a lot of good thingsgoing on in sports.
We talk about Major LeagueBaseball.
You and I both are AtlantaBraves fans.
We probably grew up AtlantaBraves fans Been to live games
both at Turner Field and the newstadium.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Baseball is on the comeback.
They've been struggling overthe years.
A lot of young people have kindof halfway moved away from it.
Basketball and football aspopular as it's ever been and
baseball is coming back, I think.
I think the rule changes Right,it's starting to speed the game
up.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well see, when we was coming, coming up, that was
kind of the thing.
You had multiple sports butlike your boys and stuff not not
real keen on baseball, likethat, you know, not like it was
with us, like going to a livebaseball game.
I mean you don't even hardlysee baseball movies and stuff
when coming up talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, so baseball was .
I mean, it was the past time,the country's past time for a
long time, but it's coming back,I think, and stuff like this,
with the Yankees and Dodgers.
You got Shohei Otani on theDodgers, the biggest player in
the sport.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Billion, was it?
One billion dollars is what hewound up getting.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And it's a world.
Now Baseball is going into theglobal stage, especially with
him now finally getting a chanceat winning the World Series.
And then you got star power onthe Yankees as well, Aaron Judge
.
I mean, this is the series thatbaseball fans have died for.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm no fan of the Yankees, you know that, no doubt
.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Or the Dodgers for that matter, but I'm a fan of
the sport.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm a fan of the sport.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be interesting towatch now, so hopefully we'll
get a chance to watch it alittle bit together.
We got a lot of things comingup this week Grant's party and
all.
We got a lot of things comingup this week Grant's party and
all but hopefully we can getstarted with that.
Oh yeah, what about NFL?
What's your thoughts on the NFLChiefs Chiefs?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Andy Reid all the way .
Yeah, patrick.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Mahomes man, you talked about it and I don't see
you.
They're the best team right now.
I mean there's other teams.
You got the Lions the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Nobody wants to say, but they are the cowboys of this
generation, the Chiefs.
They are the cowboys of thislife and the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, the Patriots had several runs.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It seems we had those franchises go through.
Yeah, there's always one team.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
That stands out.
You're right, and right nowit's the Chiefs.
Oh, no doubt they're on theverge of becoming the first team
to go three in a row.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I kind of had my thoughts on the Bills, you know,
with Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, the Bills has been there.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
They've been on a comeback, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
They've been there on the edge, but they just can't
get over that hump and theRavens.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I'd like to see.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Lamar win more.
I thought last year was Lamar'syear.
I thought last year was that'swho.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I picked.
I picked them to win it all andthey let me down.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
And it's easier for us because, I mean, I know me, I
don't have a particularfavorite team.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, I mean neither.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
The sport in general.
You know, if I was to kind ofsay pick a team, I grew up
watching the Cowboys so much.
Yeah, I'm just not a realSaints fan.
It's just too close, it's ourmarket, Because every time I see
the Saints I'll think about LSUand big Alabama rivalry.
I guess if I was to look moremaybe Atlanta, maybe something
like that to go to, that wouldbe something we'd definitely go

(26:42):
to.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I've never really been a had a team in the NFL.
I've always Followed a playerFollowed a player more Peyton
Manning.
Now it's Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's kind of easy.
I mean Baker, big-time Oklahomaalumni and Heisman winner, so
it's good to follow him.
I guess it's kind of the sameway, like me, with Jalen
Devontae Smith.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I root for Jalen also .

Speaker 1 (27:07):
And the Eagles will be a good team.
The.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Eagles is still a dangerous team.
Lions.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Lions.
I really like the Lions, ohyeah, like Jameson Williams and
the Lions, I think.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, the Lions, they got it all.
They got the full package.
That was a good game with them.
And the Vikings yesterday.
Vikings is good.
Another team to watch out foris they're young.
I mean they got a rookiequarterback, but he's Jaden
Daniels, from you know, playedwith LSU last year Heisman
winner.
But they're a team to watch outfor, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, we've kind of went over most of the sports we
kind of generally watch.
I mean, we'll even watch theStanley Cup.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, I'll watch it every now and then.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, one day we ought to definitely try to go to
an NHL game.
For all you guys out there thatare fans of the NHL send me a
link comment.
Tell me what's a good startingNHL game to go to, so maybe me
and Cody can go check it out andhave that experience.
We've been to live baseballgames.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
We've actually been to basketball We've been.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
You know we've won.
A few fortunate people Got tosee Kobe play.
Yeah, you know, they played NewOrleans what, golly?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
that's a long time ago, 12 years ago.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
So back then the New Orleans was they was the Hornets
right Before they become thePelicans.
Yeah, they was the Hornetsbefore the, so the Hornets had
when they moved from Charlotte.
They went to New Orleans for alittle while and then.
New Orleans would become thePelicans.
Yeah, and then where?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
did the Hornets now go to.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
They're in Charlotte, charlotte back to Charlotte.
But the point of that was goodgames to definitely check out
Live sport.
Watching live sports isdefinitely like I said, being a
college game mlb is is a lotdifferent than watching on tv.
So nhl is definitely somethingwe will try to look into.
Another thing that probably thebiggest topic we talk about is

(28:59):
gonna be wrestling you know, Ithink you and I can both agree
that we, uh we grew up with someof the biggest wrestling fans
and some of the greatest air inWWF, wwe, wcw.
So, uh wrestling was a wholelot different, I think, then
compared to now.
So we kind of had that end ofthat Hulk Hogan era and uh got

(29:22):
into that, and then Hulk Hoganwent from there to WCW and then
we got the attitudeitude Era andkind of just gradually
progressed into the Ruthless.
Aggression Era, and then theReality Era, and now we got the
New Gen.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, I know, but I'm not big on wrestling as I used
to be.
Used to be yeah, but it's stillthat's popular.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I kind of follow a little bit more, it still is
popular.
I follow a little bit.
Still.
It's popular, I mean there's nodoubt about it.
I know I kind of fell off.
I kind of watched a little bitof it, kind of to keep up with
it, but following as I do now,now I kind of follow it more
because they got just likablesuperstars.
Talk with a guy at work and heand I talk a lot more probably
about it because, like you gottalent like cody roads and and

(30:07):
all, but it's hard to beat theman.
We actually here sipping onsome real American beer oh yeah,
talking about the Hulksterhimself.
It's pretty good.
I ain't never drunk it.
Yeah, it's pretty good, socheers to that.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Thank you, cody.
Cheers to the Hulkster, to the.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Hulkster.
So we appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
What you going to do, what you going to do.
Appreciate that.
What you going to do, what yougoing to do Drink my beer.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well, you know, we got new wrestling too.
I mean we've had kind of errors.
We got AEW kind of startingit's still hanging in there.
It's still hanging in there, soI don't know if you know.
Did you know they had?
purchased Ring of Honor, no,yeah.
So they had bought Ring ofHonor and kind of moving into

(30:51):
what we're going to talk aboutis about, like Vince McMahon and
going from the territories tonow where wrestling is at now.
People know that differentwrestlers are competing on
different platforms and that'skind of what AEW started.
I give them credit for that.
So they had their wrestlerslike going on to New Japan Pro
Wrestling and TNA.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
They're not at all.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Not really came over to WWE yet, but I think, with
Triple H at the helm, I thinkwe're going to see that.
And I say that because I'm notsure if you saw NXT stars from
WWE have been going to TNA andwrestling and then last year at
the Rumble they had the TNAKnockouts champion.
She actually was on the Women'sWorld Rumble, so that was

(31:31):
interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
She brought the belt and all I might be wrong, but it
seems like AEW or WWE, they'renot really competing against
each other.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
No, not like the way WCW.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
They're not competing again.
That's kind of holding, keepingAEW afloat, I think, because
WWE don't seem like it reallyhas no issue with them.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, can you really blame them?
I mean, they can't compete withMoney Wise.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So the whole purchase why?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
bother.
You know they just expanded somuch and now they're joined with
UFC and.
Endeavor.
So you know that's a multi,multi-billion dollar company.
Now having both of them, yeah,People forget.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Wwf was Vince McMahon .
They were broke Broke.
They were on the verge ofshutting down in the 90s.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Well, we watched the Vince McMahon documentary.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
He had to compete, he had to go for the juggler.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
He had to, but that was his time.
Then Say what you want aboutVince McMahon.
Besides the allegations, justhis business mindset.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't think wrestling will be where it's at
today if it wasn't for VinceMcMahon, no doubt you wouldn't,
it'd probably still be territory, it'd probably still be
regional, almost like a carnival.
It's global.
It's global now.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
It is and it expands into other things.
It's a billion dollar industrywhen you consider merchandise
and t-shirts and video games andmovies, and what appearance he
bought the company from hisdaddy a million dollars, and now
it's worth billions, billionsnine billion.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Nine billion, nine billion.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's crazy and expands the world over.
They have multi-million dollarshows and productions.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
But you watched me and you both watched it.
Complete documentary on VinceMcMahon.
It was good.
It's kind of sad, though thathe's done it to himself probably
.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, we talk about it's the Vinceince mcmahon
character versus the man himselfand you can say what you want.
They were kind of a blendedblended.
You could see a lot of of whatvince had his self.
He said as the character.
What has actually?
Come out, come out all rightand but, but at the same time
you had to have v in that air.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
He's the best bad guy Might be the best character in
wrestling history.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
But I give credit to Eric Bischoff.
I know we watched a lot.
I was glad he was part of thatdocumentary.
Yeah, because if you didn'thave somebody like Ted Turner
and WCW, really Eric Bischoff,because Ted Turner really didn't
care, he just wanted to bewrestling but he didn't care.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Just wanted to be wrestling, but he didn't care.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
He was signing the checks, you had eric bischoff
actually managing the ideas andI mean you had that crazy retard
and vince russo, both sidestrying to, which I think was the
ultimate downfall of wc oh,yeah, but for eric bischoff.
I mean, what was it?
83, 86, yeah that they wasnumber one in the ratings, but I

(34:33):
don't care what nobody says.
You cannot be at the top likethat if you don't have Hulk
Hogan.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No well, what pushed WCW over like that was the start
of the NWO Right, and I meanyou had Kevin Nash, scott Hall,
the Outsiders first come in.
You hadn't really seen that inwrestling, so that was something
new.
But you had to finish it offwith the man and he became.

(35:01):
He was once the greatestbabyface and good guy in
wrestling history and then whenhe switched over to Hollywood he
became the greatest bad guy.
Ain't too many people can saythat and yeah, I think that
started really the Attitude Era.
I mean people don't think aboutit, but to me it did.
Yeah, and you had to have that.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
That was 96.
96, 1996.
There was a change neededbecause vince looked at it like
his.
His audience was kids, but wcwwanted to have 18 to 36 year old
group you know teenagers andyoung adults, that's why they
was kicking his butt all it waschanging.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Like you said, this landscape was changing and
wrestling, and abishaw saw itand then v Vince finally
realized yeah, it's time to.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I don't think at some point, because you can say
what you want.
When Vince realized it, andthen he started putting faith in
his stars, and then you had awrestler named Stone Cold Steve
Austin.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Come through and just completely Cold was the perfect
.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Stone it was.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And then the Rock.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
The Rock, you had the greatest list of errors when
vince finally just took off oryou had undertaker mankind rock
triple stone cold, triple h, you, you, you had factions like the
nwo, no doubt it.
It grew too big, but at the sametime, in wwe or wwf, at the
time you, in WWE or WWF, at thetime, you know, you had the

(36:30):
ministry and then the corporateministry, the corporation and DX
.
And then when, finally, in 2001, when Vince bought WCW after
they had started failing, thenyou just had a perfect storm,
because then you brought starsin like Booker T and Chris
Jericho and.
Eddie Guerrero, and then itjust showed up led into that

(36:55):
Ruthless Aggression era.
So tell me your problem.
But let's do it like this Letme have your Mount Rushmore,
your top four of your MountRushmore, and then your top ten.
So kick off, wrestlers,wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh man, more.
And then your top 10.
So kick up wrestling wrestlers.
Oh man, oh, when you saymountain wrestler, so it'd be
top four, right?
Um, I'm gonna go with stonecold.
I know it's gonna be a littlebit different and I'm a hawks
the fan, but it's between himand the Rock.

(37:31):
For number two, I mean StoneCold.
The thing the issue is forStone Cold is he didn't.
It didn't last long what he had, maybe an eight-year run of,
sure enough, being on the top.
But, man, when he was on thetop, nobody popped like him.
He was the best.
Yeah, man, when he was on thetop.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Nobody popped like him.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
He was the best, yeah , man, but like Hulk Hogan, he
lasted decades, decades.
The Rocks, you can even kind ofsay that somewhat, I mean
they're not as long as HulkHogan.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Well, his return now has been all the change.
It's just resparked and nowhe's on the board.
He's bought his name.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Those are easily your top three, you can kind of
shift them around anyway, andyou wouldn't be wrong.
I don't think either way, buteasily.
Those are top three.
The debates, I think, start tocome after Number four.
Man, I think you've got to putRic Flair.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You've got to put Nature Boy somewhere.
I mean, he was really beforehis, he was just before
everybody.
Trenton yeah, he was just thecockiness, the flashiness that
he came out.
I mean the way he spoke on themic was 16-time world champion
man Styling, profiling Will andDylan Jet flying Kid stealing,

(38:47):
Kid stealing I mean you can'thardly.
And dealing Jet flying Kidstealing, Kid stealing I mean
you can't hardly beat him on themic.
So, yeah, that's my top four.
That would be your top four.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
All right, let's round out your five through ten.
They ain't got to be in aparticular order, I think Shawn
Michaels, shawn.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Michaels, he has some mic skills, he be in there.
Yeah, I think he's number five.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Oh, you want to list him like that and his ring
ability man.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
He was the showstopper.
He could put on a show.
If you wanted to see a goodMatt, you'd watch Shawn
Michaels' Matt.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
All right, you got to put the taker in there.
I think number six, I mean justhis.
You had never seen a big man dodo the things he did flipping
over the top rope outsidewalking the rope, the longest
undefeated streak in wrestling,yeah, and then his character was
just so unique it was, and socool Dong.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Yeah, he had some good music.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
When you heard that, you knew it was JR.
What did he used to say it'stime for business or something
like that man, he was a Takerfan and he had some good matches
with Mankind.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Throw him off the top of the sale.
He killed him.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
He killed him, that's probably one of the best
matches.
That's probably one of the morehistorical matches, that hell
and sale between Mankind.
But who else?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I'm at seven, that's six John Michaels at seven.
That's six John Michaels.
Take him, take him six.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Number seven.
As much as it pains me, I hatehim with a passion.
I just don't like the guy.
But I mean he was popular, JohnCena.
John Cena, yeah, he was nodoubt popular.
I don't really didn't quiteunderstand it, I guess, but you
can't deny him that Number eight.
People might disagree with meand you know I'm a fan of him.

(40:36):
Triple H, Mm-hmm.
Triple H was.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
He was that perfect storm team man.
He was just a good bad guy.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Maybe next to Hulk Hogan as the Hollywood, and Ric
Flair he might have been thebest bad guy of all time and
Vince McMahon, but yeah, huckTriple H.
And then, not to mention hisring ability too, he could put
on some good matches 90-10.
Oh, it gets a little toughthere.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Well, I guess say 10, because you said John Cena,
triple H, yeah, two more.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I'm going to go.
I think Macho man is kind ofunderrated somewhat.
I think he might be number nine.
Number nine and his mic skillswas underrated, just his
personality was underrated andhis ring.
He could put on some goodmatches.
You go back and watch hismatches and then I know there's

(41:30):
going to be some peopledisagreeing with me here.
Number 10 is mine and your boy,bret Hart.
Oh yeah, no doubt I think youhave to put Bret Hart in there.
The excellent execution and youtalk about good matches.
You want to see some goodmatches, in-ring ability.
Now, his charisma could havebeen maybe a little bit better,
but he, his charisma could havebeen maybe a little bit better,
but he got better at the end ofhis career, I think, than at the

(41:52):
beginning.
He became a good bad guy at onepoint and he was kind of part
of that start of the attitudethere, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
That's a good top ten .
Mount Rushmore is probablygoing to be the same.
Just the same.
You've got to have Ric Flair inthere, 16-time world champion.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So I agree definitely on.
The Mount Rushmore is probablygoing to be the same, just the
same.
You've got to have Ric.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Flair in there, 16-time world champion.
So I agree definitely on theMount Rushmore.
Now my five through ten isprobably a little different.
I agree with every one of them,just not necessarily an order
I'd probably say maybe Shawn orUndertaker Shawn, then Bret,
then Triple H, and only I say hecalls Brett because at the time
where Brett come in in the late80s, early 90s, all the way

(42:34):
until his time in 97 to theMontreal Screwjob, I mean he's
got the biggest controversysurrounding his name.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
That was the star of the Mr McMahon character.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
That was the character and just what he said.
So now, and it was awesomemeeting him, we got a chance to
to meet him- in person and thatwas, that was uh that was
something different, not agoldberg fan.
He was not a goldberg fan, youknow.
I think goldberg is in that top25.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I don't think he makes the top 10.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Well, just his personality he's so big savage.
I'm not sure if I put savage upthere, because some of this new
talent like Roman Reigns.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I think Roman Reigns has kind of earned his spot up
in the top ten.
I might swap him out.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, I think Roman Reigns.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
He's become a good bad guy.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
He has.
He just kind of got thattriple-A feel to him.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I forgot about Roman Reigns.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And, just you know, had that dominant run as
champion, you know, the longesttime since Hulk Hogan.
Yeah and so, but definitely.
I mean a lot of people don'twant to put the Hulkster up
there, but you and I we grew upin that era.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
You have to put Hulk Hogan.
You have to put Hulk Hogan upthere, rushmore.
You know, we definitely come byus Might get away with the Rock
and Stone, and Stonko wasnumber one maybe, but he's got
to be top three.
He has to be.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, but yeah definitely For what Hogan done.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Hogan dominated the 80s and led WWF into a global
phenomenon when people used totalk about wrestling he was
known worldwide and that was thething I was glad they touched
on At some point he might havebeen the most known person,
known entertainer, yeah, Knowncelebrity, known entertainer.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, known person, celebrity, celebrity.
Almost at the same time.
You thought of wrestling.
You might know of one or twoother more, but everybody, if
you ask about it, who's awrestler man?
The only one I know of is HulkHogan.
Well, right.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
He put WWF on the map and then he changed the thing
for WCW.
He wound up making them numberone, so that's two companies he
had a hand in.
Yeah, Building.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
So we got you at Mount Rushmore in your top ten.
Anything else?
What you think about wrestlingtoday, Anything you want to say
anymore on that?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
No, like I said, I'm not the biggest fan of.
I tell you another reason whyI'm not the biggest fan of
wrestling.
Now we mentioned it, they'remissing an announcer.
I mean, I ain't got nothingagainst Michael Cole, but he's
no JR man.
They don't have that somebodyto do the commentary.
Jr and.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
King was untouchable.
The guy they got now, CoreyGraves, I think stands out a lot
as far as announcing that he'skind of picking up, but now that
triple h is taking over we'reseeing a lot different kind of
going back a little bit, but Itell you I you ought to give it
a chance now because thewrestling now is getting a lot

(45:22):
better.
It's a lot more entertaining,for sure, and then the
characters they got like reallythe bloodline right now is the
new nwo, is literally nwo.
And then now you got a split inthe bloodline because Roman
Reigns come back.
Now he's fighting his cousinSolo.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah.
And you got Jacob Fatu who Ithink is supposed to be Cody
Rose, is still the champion.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Cody Rose is still the champion, but you got Jacob
Fatu right now.
I think he's going to be thenext biggest bad guy, like he's
going to be off the chain as faras his in-ring ability.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
What about Gunther?
Gunther is a world champion,see, and that's another thing.
You got two world champions now.
That kind of dilutes it alittle bit, but the product is
so big right now they almosthave to, don't they, you have to
, because when you got mondaynight raw which I don't know.

(46:15):
If you know it, monday night rawis getting ready to go to
netflix.
You know they got a big startbillion dollar deal, 2025, I
think and so they move so youwon't be able to see it on like
regular tv.
They moved it off.
You have to stream it, you haveto stream it completely.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So I don't know if they're going to completely move
.
Smackdown still on fire.
Smackdown actually just movedto the usa network here just a
month or two ago, so theythey've completely moved from
the only thing they got on,regular, what we would call
local channels, now be nxt.
Nxt moved to the cw channel 55.
So that that's really what theygot going on now.

(46:43):
So it's definitely changed and,like I said, it'd be
interesting.
Yeah, we're gonna try to makethat wrestlemania run here soon
to watch a wrestlemania live.
That's on my bucket list,that's on our bucket list.
So for you guys out there thatare wrestling fans in general,
tell us about some of the timesyou've been to different arenas.
Or if you've been to thosemajor pay-per-views or

(47:05):
wrestlemania, let me know aboutthat.
Um, man, I really appreciateyou coming out.
So a little bit about yourfamily.
I wanted to kind of ask you youknow you got kids and stuff,
you and I both being dads andcoming up as dads.
That's been kind of a uniquechallenge in your situation you

(47:25):
okay to talk a little bit aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
So you got five altogether?
No, we got six, six altogether.
Excuse me, you're a blendedfamily, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I know you lose count every now and then.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, you lose count, it's tough to go on vacation.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
We're like the.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Brady Bunch, and then , well, you would have had seven
.
You know you did.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I had the unfortunate to lose a child you know very,
very early.
Yeah, I know that was a toughtime.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Going through that and for people out there that's,
you know, had that loss oflosing a child or you know any
kind of situation like that, wewe definitely send our
sympathies no doubt.
So uh, cody, you can test we.
What was the guy at work?
He said he lost his five monthold.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, he just see recently.
No, it's five months recently.
Yeah, it was, I feel for him,and that's something else.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
See it's, that's a just of all the modern sciences
we've got today and medicine,and they still just don't know
anything about that.
But now Gatlin actually died,how many weeks?
He was 15.
15 weeks, so really not realsure what caused it.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
No, they don't know.
Just that time, just one ofthem things.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So I know that was a tough time going, but but a good
thing is.
I bring that up to to say thatthat wasn't necessarily the end
for you because, good lordwilling, y'all tried again and
bam had another one we gotta gotlandry now he had some
complications Now, that was atough time.
Tell us a little bit about that.
He was born with his.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
His intestines didn't fully connect and he was born
without his intestinesconnecting, so he had to have
surgery the next day after hewas born.
He was born premature, alsolike 35 weeks, I think.
I think it was like what it waslast year December 10th.
We had to stay in the NICU for70 days.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It was a tough stretch.
Long haul that was rough.
Usa Women's and Children that'san awesome hospital.
They're good.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
They are.
I mean, we had some hiccupsalong the way, but I guess
everybody goes through it.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
So now, where did y'all stay?
I mean because to give everyoneout there kind of a perspective
, so the hospital for us isabout 30 to 45 minutes, uh,
south of where we're at, wherewe're at in mobile county.
It's kind of a rural area, sowe're kind of in the country and
so us having to go to ahospital, like I said, it's

(50:13):
about 30 to 45 minutes one way.
So 70 days.
I mean, where'd y'all stay atwhen during that time?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
they.
Uh, we got hooked up withronald mcdonough house, which is
right like right on the groundsof the hospital.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, it's on the ground, man that's awesome and
you know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Then you talk about a , a place that people should.
I mean, I know some people areskeptic on charities and what,
how they help people and whatthey do with the funds, that.
But ronald mcdonough house islegit.
They help people and what theydo with the funds but Ronald
McDonald House is legit.
They help people and just thevolunteers coming in
volunteering their time and thefamilies that are.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
So it's kind of like a place for y'all to stay like,
while y'all having to go backand forth.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
They feed you.
They give you everything youneed, yeah, and at no cost.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I don't know if he had mentioned that this is,
that's a completely uhnon-profit organization.
So, like he was saying, ifanybody had a cause out there
they want to support.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You know we talk a lot people hear about saint jude
but all my beer drinkers outthere, save you, save your tab.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So so ronald mc Ronald McDonald House has a
program to where, if you takethe tabs off of Coke cans and
the cans themselves, that theybring them down there and
they'll take them.
And if you have to get so manyI think it's so many pounds
right that a family get to stayfor another free night, which
anytime a kid is diagnosed withany kind of condition like that.

(51:41):
That you know those familiesbecause you think about us where
we're at on the gulf coast.
You got alabama, georgia,florida, mississippi, louisiana,
all kind of families having tocome to women's and children's
and staying there.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
There was actually all I've told you before.
there was a family that had ababy in Mississippi and we were
back story to Landry's case wewere lucky enough to find my
wife had failed a couple monthsbefore he was born, and we

(52:16):
rushed to the hospital emergencyroom, and that's where they
found out that his intestineswas not growing together, and so
we at least had time to prepare.
But this family that I'mtalking about now, the baby was
born in Mississippi and theydidn't have, and that's when
they found out that he had anissue, because he wasn't using

(52:37):
the bathroom and nothing wasworking.
His intestines was not working,and so that's when they found
out that his intestines didn'tgrow together, and so they
rushed, they brought him to USA.
Women's and Children so at thesame time.
It's a rare disease.
To begin with, I think one outof five children do it or
something get it.
But you had literally twobabies born the same time with

(53:02):
the same disease issue.
That was kind of funny, andthey also stayed at ronald
mcdonald house with us.
So it was kind of neat.
You know just the way god worksthings out for you, and we was
able to feed off each other asas far as okay, well, what's
your baby doing now?
What?
You know what our baby is doing, and it just it helped us out,

(53:24):
just been able to talk, you know, talk to somebody else going
through what we was goingthrough.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
And then I just couldn't imagine, like the, the
pressure you and Pev just wentthrough dealing with it Going,
having to go Cause you got,cause you got five other kids
you tended to from 15 all theway down to two, that family I
was talking about.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
they had eight other kids.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, so I can only imagine, but it was definitely.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So then you got a chance to so the Ronald McDonald
House.
Let your kids stay there alittle bit here and there, but
you also had a good supportsystem with your parents, her
parents.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I mean going back to what we was talking about.
With 96 staying on in ourcommunity, we got.
I mean, community is definitelya big, great community here.
I wouldn't want to live nowhereelse.
I wouldn't want my childrengrowing up nowhere else.
We hadn't didn't have to worryabout, right, who was going to
keep them, who was going towatch them and then that's what
we kind of talk about.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I mean, I'm landry's doing really good though right
now.
Right, yes, he's clean.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Bill of health yeah, and he's been cleared.
The doctors have cleared himfor months.
Now he he'll be celebrating abirthday here for a long.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Oh yeah, month and a half, month and a half and one
year old, and he's doing good.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
He yeah, he's growing like a pig yes, he ain't missed
the beat.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
He ain't missed the beat, so just thankful for that.
But we talk about our community.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Man, people make fun of us sometimes too, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
The MoWall community itself.
I've said it in my previousepisode that our community is
just different when it comes toour community, so to speak,
they're going to step up.
We've got a lot of family.
We're a big, big family, a lotof cousins and a lot of people,
but everybody knows mosteverybody in our community and

(55:02):
they're gonna help wherever theycan.
So we talked about, like yousaid, your support system, where
a lot of people don't have that, you know they don't have sure
enough struggle, struggledealing with that.
So it's it's.
You know we're blessed to to bein our community now.
We, like most communities, youknow we got shitheads out there
there's problems everywhere.

(55:24):
But I'd kind of say we're alittle biased and say our
community is probably one of thebest to be around, growing up
in Mount Vernon, southernellarea and dealing with our people
and being part of the Moaltribe and all, and being part of

(55:45):
the of the moa tribe and also,yep, you know, you and peb, both
being native americans andgrowing up moa and uh, we've had
some things grow, see, seeingthe growth of our tribe.
You know I talked about too,about us and the federal
recognition.
So hopefully one day we might,might can sit down and talk
about that.
But you know Well, tell me alittle bit more about what you
do on your off time when you'renot around you kind of travel.

(56:06):
I know we've got holidays andstuff coming up.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Some of the vacations that you've been on.
We try to go visit places.
I mean we go on vacations acouple times a year.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Have some fun times, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, we've done, but when you're?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
taking a whole bunch of kids.
It's like uh wrangling cattleor or zoo animals, almost so to
speak.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
We took them all.
When was that?
Two years ago, all of us wentto well I'm talking about on the
cruise.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Oh, my god, the cruise.
Uh, so imagine for y'all outthere.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
So so, at the time, grant was a quarter of the over
one.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
They had a.
They had their youngest.
Well, not the youngest, but theyoungest at the time was
shelton.
He was number five he wasnumber five and having him all
the way up to that 15 year oldand and us trying to herd
children all over a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Probably about a quarter of the uh population on
the ship.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
No doubt, and it was easily detailed.
So it was definitely someinteresting dinners and
breakfasts, because when youhave one kid that did not want
to get up or did not want to eatthat particular breakfast, that
was kind of the hit and miss onall our vacations man, we've
had some crazy times with eachother.
We've seen going to the beach assomething melts and yep the

(57:23):
water parts, but at the sametime we, we, uh, we worry about
things because everything god iseverything just going up here
lately with just the cost ofeverything, oh yeah.
So let's how you, how you feelabout that, like the where, the
cost and way this country is iswhen.
I guess when we say cost ofstuff, I say the price of going

(57:46):
on vacations, and it kind ofgets into a topic I know we
definitely have some debates onand talk a little bit about this
election cycle.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
So is it not crazy?
I mean sports, we talked aboutsports, and sports can polarize
people, you know, and put themon the other side of each
argument.
But yeah, there ain't nothinglike politics that polarizes the
country and it all.
I mean, I'm a.
Well, that's the purpose ofthis podcast.
I guess, we're all you know.

(58:18):
You would consider me aRepublican, but I really just
call myself an American and Ithink you might consider
yourself a Republican as well.
I mean, I got family membersthat are Democrats and there
ain't nothing against them, butright now we disagree on

(58:39):
policies.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I'm not a fan of the two-party system, but you have
to go with the lesser of the twoevils, and right now that's the
reason why the policies thatkind of closely align with what,
what we need as a family, youknow, because we kind of been
following a little bit of thepolitics, a couple election
cycles, you, you know all theway, I guess, back to the 2008

(59:02):
election.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
That's kind of.
Yeah, when I started, mygranddaddy was really big into
it.
Yeah, and he was a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
And I agree.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I voted Democrat before because back in 08, I
kind of lined up with thepolicies that Barack Obama had
at the time, and that was theold guard, I guess, of our
community and just of theworking classes that the
Democrats was for you, For you.
But, it just seemed like timeshave changed.
I would say it has changedreally from about 2012 to now,

(59:31):
and it really probably changedfor me with Trump.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Oh yeah, Trump was kind of the Trump was a
trendsetter.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
He really when I saw him because he busted down all
the doors man, and I saw him assomebody that could change the
political system.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Well, I would say he's not really a politician.
Yeah, that's right, he's notgoing to just give you yes
answers.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
He just, he's so different.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yeah, he's different as far as that, and I think
really even since the 2016 thatjust aligned up, and then, when
he was elected, it's just hispolicies that we've talked about
.
We've flourished under, becausehere's the thing that you and I
have said, that I guess we canboth agree on, is some of the
policies he had in place, suchas, you know, the border wall,

(01:00:24):
and common sense stuff.
You know we was at a point wherewe was energy independence.
You know a lot of people nottalk about that, about the cost
of gasoline and goods, andthat's why I said about what the
cost of everything is and goods, and, and that's why I said
about what the cost ofeverything is.
You look at the cost of whatstuff is now compared to four,
five years ago, you know, sevenyears ago, when he first took

(01:00:47):
office, and it it's changed gaswas half of what it is now and
and it's.
It's crazy like you got interestrates, you got home prices, you
got food prices.
We've got to kind of get ahandle on it.
So I guess, what's what's someof the policies that you've
liked?
I guess, other than just theenergy independence, what's some
things that you saw Trumpreally do during his

(01:01:09):
administration?
Kind of let you lean moretowards him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
The main thing, I liked about Trump was America
first.
I agree he is.
You know he's all I mean.
People get on him about that.
He's anti-trade.
He is, you know, he's all Imean people get on him about
that.
He's anti trade.
And no, he's, he just wants toget the best deal for America.
America first.
And people.
I've heard people say thatTrump is isolationism, that

(01:01:33):
anybody believes that linesthemselves up with.
Trump is all about isolationand being, you know, having the
United States just stay out ofanything global.
No, we just want America to betreated first, america's
citizens to come first, and thenwe can worry about the rest of
the world.
I mean, no doubt I'm all forhelping other people and believe

(01:01:53):
that the United States shouldstand up and be a leader,
because we are the globalsuperpower.
Yeah, we, we, the number one,probably only china's kind of
making a run at it, but rightnow I would say we are the only
main superpower.
But yeah, so we should have astanding in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
But we need to take care of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
We need to yeah it's hard to it's hard to uh worry
about another house when yourhouse is kind of falling apart
well, it's the thing with someof the wars that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
That's happened, you know, with with the war in
ukraine.
God knows, this is terrible forthe ukrainian people, but how
do we justify, when our economyis in such a state, to continue
justifying paying 500 billionbillions of dollars to, to to
fund a war where we should benegotiating peace?

(01:02:45):
You know, I mean, and that'sthe thing we've heard might not
be the peace that everybodywants.
That's right it's peace, butwe're not.
We're not having to to spendall that money knowing that we
got food and gas prices so highwhen we got amenities here such
as Medicare, medicaid, stufflike that.
That's running out and you knownow.

(01:03:08):
I guess we're seeing the badthings about it, so to speak,
because we've only had twohurricanes now and a lot of
stuff has done happen where thatfema's went on record said they
don't have enough funds tocover for hurricanes.
You know, you have thesecretary of homeland security

(01:03:28):
say, well, we're not going tosurvive another storm.
You know, we we barely wentthrough uh hurricane, uh helen,
and then then the next hurricanecome through and hit Florida
and then you know, gone and itwas just rough having to, for
these people having to gothrough that.
And then there's just somebodyto stand on a policy and say

(01:03:50):
that that was kind of one of thebiggest takeaways I had with
Kamala Harris is she wanted tostand up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Kamala Kamala.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah to kamala that she wants to give 157 million
dollars to, or 150 somethingmillion dollars to the people in
lebanon, but at the same time,you, you don't, you don't have
money to give to people in northcarolina.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You want to, you want to be okay, just giving 750
dollars when people it'smillions and billions of dollars
worth of damage yeah, theyclaim, they claim they're going
to be given more, but I've beenhearing from people that, oh,
they're just saying that theyjust keep getting pushed, pushed
back, pushed back.
I mean why?
I mean it should be automatic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Let's give them whatever they need whatever they
need, we're giving billions toa country that you know well,
and then it should not bepolitical at the same time, and
I'm I'm kind of I don't agreewith joe biden on a lot of the
things, but I'm glad he kind offinally stood up and said you
know, we're not worrying aboutthat.
You know I'm gonna focus ontalking with governor desantis

(01:04:57):
and the governor north carolina,so yeah we hadn't agreed on a
lot of the policies he's done.
There's a couple that we've kindof pushed for, that we've seen,
that we liked, and one of thethings I thought was going to be
a better bill was theInfrastructure Act, because of
what some of the details was inthe bill, you know, as far as
upgrading the airport andrailroads and the road systems

(01:05:21):
and telecommunication andbroadband.
But I really, other than usgetting the railroad back here
and the airport down at Brooklyn, that's kind of what's helped
it, but I don't think we'vegained anything more.
On broadband, I mean, what morecan you want when you got

(01:05:41):
starlink and elon musk is givingit, giving it away and trying
to help people.
So there's definitely been somesome policies that this stuff
has just got to change aroundhere.
We've got to get a handle on onthe drugs and fitting on the
border.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
There's no reason, no reason why we are allowing
these people just to keep comingflooding in but you're not I'm
not.
I'm all for immigration oh,yeah, no doubt they deserve a
chance at american dream.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
But and I think you got to do it the right way you
got to do it the right way and Ithink it might be and we might
need to up, you know, make iteasier for them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That's the thing why?

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
why don't we make it easier?
Because I think it's the policythey said about remain in
mexico, you know, until theycould get.
But we should be working, youknow, as a country to say, okay,
if you want to come into thecountry, come into mexico, you
know, until we can process youthrough legally into the border.
Get your green card or whatever, give you a temporary visa to

(01:06:38):
work and that way you don't haveto cross illegally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Well, here's kind of an analogy.
I guess you almost treat thecountry like you would treat
your own house, mm-hmm.
I mean you would be all forpeople coming into your house,
right and just visiting with youand helping you out or
something with something, butyou're not just going to leave
your front door wide open foranybody to come into your house,

(01:07:02):
right right, because at thatpoint there might be good people
that are coming in, but thenevery now and then you're going
to have some stragglers and somebad people that come into your
house and might ruin everythingyou built.
And that's kind of what'shappening to our country right
now.
They, they just yeah, theremight be some good people that's

(01:07:23):
coming in illegally, butthere's also bad people that's
coming in illegally Killers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
But politics shouldn't be this ruthless right
now, with both sides of thepolitical aisle blaming and
calling names and causing all ofthis hurtful rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
And it's a thing.
It didn't used to be like this,when we rhetoric, and it's a
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
It didn't used to be like this when we had Not this
bad.
Not this bad.
Poor Donald Trump had anassassination attempt and
instead of things finally calmdown, he's had a second attempt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
And I don't think it's right.
I'm a fan of Trump.
He doesn't do the best job oflowering the temperature.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I mean, he's a fighter.
He's a fighter.
He's kind of that New Yorkattitude.
He's got it built into him.
He's all for broke, he's all in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
He's going to give it all.
He's going to come at you.
You come at him.
He's going to come at you.
Twofold.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Sometimes we just need somebody to lower temp.
He the best way to describetrump now I I'm a big fan of him
.
He's his message is the best.
He's got a great message hispolicies.
He just might not be the bestmessenger of his message uh, but
I mean, you can't, policy wise,you can't touch it and I think

(01:08:40):
somebody like jD Vance mightkind of help that.
But I think he's getting better.
I mean he's gotten better overthe years at it and kind of
trying to lower the temperaturea little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
But it's just about his policies.
We've got to get this inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
We've got to get the border secure.
We've got to become energy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
you know independence we got, I mean, keystone
Pipeline major pipeline.
I get they were having a lot ofissues when it comes to it, but
I think Trump is the type towork with policymakers on it
because and that's why I don'tlike the hypocrisy some of the
Democratic Party is you okaywith Europe buying oil and gas

(01:09:23):
and stuff from Russia, but youdon't want us to do it.
You don't want us to build apipeline to connect where we
could supply that oil and gasand energy.
I'm all for clean air Cleanwater, yeah.
I think we should have it inaddition to the stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Why aren't we handicapping?
I mean, why are we, you know,locking ourself up with just a
couple forms?

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
of energy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Why not just open ourself up to all forms of
energy?
Right Wind solar, water,nuclear, and have fossil fuels
as well, and fossil fuels, coal,all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Man, we should have every energy out there you could
say that, that that we could doall the zero admissions
policies that they the, theextremists in that green new
deal wants to do, but it's notgoing to stop countries like
india and china, where they'rebuilding coal coal burning and
you're talking about billions ofpeople over there and but they

(01:10:18):
pollute the atmosphere, justlike it.
It's not going to change.
We're not the world epa, so soit shouldn't hurt us.
It's the same thing, kind ofwhat I agree with trump on.
On the, the electric vehicle,the ev mandates, I think those
mandates, if you want it, buy it, go for it, go for it, but you
shouldn't be limited to that.
These automakers, you know thebig three, stilett, ford, gm and

(01:10:42):
all of these car companies isreally pushing these evs, I
think too much.
And where we live at, thinkabout it, we don't have a
charging station right here,mount vernon, such near lower
alabama.
You think about the people inwyoming, montana, yeah, these
vast regional places wherethey're so spread out and we
talk from the grid about theinfrastructure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
The grid can't support it.
Well, all that money that theyput into the infrastructure bill
.
There's nine only a handful ofcharging stations.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
They haven't built any around here now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, we just can't.
We're not at that point wherewe can be stable enough to
support that type of power.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Well, we've seen it and it doesn't get talked about
more, but the snowstorm, the badblizzard that happened in Texas
, where they were relying on thewind and the solar, and that
got completely wiped out andpeople were freezing to death
Like in the 2020s people arefreezing to death because they
rely so much they wind up havingto get a backup coal burning uh

(01:11:44):
plant up and running just toprovide power so they could get
heat to people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
That's what I'm saying.
Why are we just kind ofhandicapping ourselves?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
well, we shouldn't be you know it should be open all
form energy.
So so maybe a lot of peopledon't know.
It's not just about getting outthere and voting and believing
in policies, but it's uh you'llhear it talked about a lot about
on the news the path to 270.
So we got seven swing statesright now that that trump is

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really, really heavy in, andwhat's your prediction on it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
oh man, you've heard me say it.
I think I had my worries earlybecause she was in the media,
was pushing her like no other,like she was the next Barack
Obama.
You know, she went from beingthe worst vice president in
history to also, all of a sudden, being the greatest candidate
ever, and so they that had meworried.

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But I just from what I've seenon the ground, from regular
people, regular voters, I don'tsee how she overcomes the heat.
You know, the the drop inminority voters that she's
getting Trump.
They're projecting him to get40% of the Latino vote,
projecting him to get over 20%of the black vote.

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I don't see how she overcomesthat.
And the polling numbers have,you know, have it kind of neck
and neck.
And in recent elections, like in2016, they had Hillary up a
good bit and he outperformedthat and wound up winning, all
right.
They had Joe Biden up prettygood bit and he outperformed

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that and wound up winning.
All right.
They had joe biden up prettygood bit and he joe biden barely
won.
Trump outperformed that and hebarely won.
And well, you know, okay, maybehe won, whatever.
But uh, and now this yearthey're kind of neck and neck
and usually trump outperforms it.
So by them being neck and neck,I think he's, I think he's
gonna win pretty comfortably.
Yeah, I got him, I think he'sgoing to win pretty comfortably.

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Yeah, I got him.
I think he wins Pennsylvania,just from what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
I think Pennsylvania, georgia, north Carolina,
georgia North Carolina andArizona Arizona Nevada's going
to be a tough state.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I think he can win, and if he potentially wins
Michigan he could really walkaway with it yeah.
But he really don't need it.
He don't need Michigan and hecould really walk away with it.
He really don't need it.
He don't need Michigan, hedon't need Nevada, he don't need
Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
But there's potential for him to win all seven swing
states, I think he would dobetter, probably Wisconsin.
I think having JD Vance is alot better VP than somebody like
Tim Waltz.
Tampon Tim, yeah, and that'swhere my issue and I think
tampon team, yeah, you know, andthat's that's where my issue
and I think your issue is by ushaving kids with the things that
Democratic Party is getting thewokeness in it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And it just insane to me that that they think it's OK
for the gender reaffirmingstudy.
So it's a lot of stuff, but youknow it's going to be
interesting reaffirming studies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
So it's a lot of stuff, but you know it's gonna
be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
We got a couple weeks over uh to to here, so anything
, anything else really, beforewe get ready to wrap up, we've
we've talked a lot today wetalked about a lot of ground
just to get started.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I guess we'll try to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, I'd like to have a couple weeks so please
get out there and let us knowwhat you think about today's
episode and everything.
Man, I appreciate you comingout, oh, yeah, how much are you
paying me?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
I should have asked that before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
We started out here.
We don't have no funds yet soif anybody wants to support for
a guest speaker fee.
We'll get it, but, man, I reallyappreciate you getting out here
on the mobile king chroniclesand and uh, getting here.
So, man, definitely, I reallyreally appreciate.
So, guys, you already know whatto do as far as the next steps
we got to do.

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Get out there, get somecomments if you'd like to reach
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So, hopefully so.
Once again, thank you so muchand, as always, stay strong,

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stay true and let's keep movingforward.
You.