February 12, 2024 • 32 mins
In this captivating episode of the Multiverse Fancast, we delve into the enchanting world of the 1990 cult classic, "Dick Tracy." Join your favorite hosts, Paul and Ronnie, as they are joined by special guest Sean from Cinematic Adventures and Your Mom's Diary for this nostalgic and engaging trip down memory lane. Get ready to uncover the charm, allure, and iconic style that still draws fans to "Dick Tracy" even decades after its release.
This episode is a must-listen for fans as we discuss the movie's stellar production design, breakthrough makeup, and costumes that have remarkably stood the test of time. You'll love the debate on whether Dick Tracy could take on characters from other classics, like Curious George. We also delve into the cultural impacts of the film, including Madonna's iconic songs, and the compelling score by Danny Elfman.
Further, we touch on the unique blend of film noir aesthetics and vibrant comic book palette that made "Dick Tracy" a true standout. If you've never watched "Dick Tracy", this episode serves as the perfect starter guide. So join us for this engaging and fun-filled episode exploring the world of classic comic book movies.
Our hosts also dive into the iconic action-adventure films that have left a significant mark on pop culture. We dissect the compelling characters, stunning visuals, and even areas where they fell short. Discussion includes classics like Watchman, 300, Batman and a special segment where we dissect why, despite amazing visuals, Sin City stands out for its powerful narrative and ensemble.
In sum, this episode is a journey filled with insight, nostalgia, and debate that any lover of both modern and classic comic book films wouldn't want to miss.
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Adventures and MF Uncensored.
As always, I'm one of your hosts, Paul, mostly begrudgingly.
But anyway, we are also joined in the studio by co-host Ronnie.
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Ronnie, how are you today? I'm doing great. How are you, sir?
Begrudgingly. You're doing begrudgingly? I'm just making sure you guys know how I feel right now.
And all the way from Cinematic Adventures and, of course, your mom's diary is Sean.
Sean, how are you? you i'm just wonderful i can't wait to talk about this i
know that's why we invited you thank you i saw this movie once once that's it
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once i missed out guys so it's a great movie,
we're gonna preface this by saying i cannot take accountability or responsibility
for the amount of jokes that will be made especially by ronnie having nothing
having said that In today's episode, we're going to be...
Are you Austin Powered over there? Okay.
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All right. I don't know how I'm going to edit this already. It's four minutes.
Not even four minutes oh my god but we are talking about the 1994.
No 1990. 19 why do i keep saying 1994. no very strange i'm gonna edit it out
you remember in the free show too i did 1990.
Yes two hours ago when it was that way so that he died 1990.
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No you said 1999. that's that's their mom virus in 1999.
That's the first year that's when it started but anyway oh my
god oh i know now that that we're doing video
everybody's like hmm that guy i can see
it i can see it it makes sense but we are
talking about the 1990 film noir
special dick tracy and yes
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i put the emphasis certain places just for you right there you go thank you
you know so i've been learning video editing and one of the things i'm working
on is making like words like that like it just cuts like and they pop and i
already know that that is going to just fill up the screen just dick No, Tracy Lee Phillips.
Terverts. Sorry, right? And I'm the man born.
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All right, that's fair. That's for Warren Betty. All right. Him too.
Did I correct you every time you mispronounced Mila Kunis' name on Cinematic
Adventure? You said it was not Beatty? It's Mila.
You said Milo. I did say Milo. You always say Milo. So many times.
You said it once. I apologize.
That is bad job on me. Yeah, that's right. We're going to actually be turning
a lot of this episode over to Sean because he is an expert on Dick Tracy.
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Tracy. I got I missed the Tracy, not the deck.
I don't even know. I do know somebody named Tracy. I lied. Wow. Yeah, my aunt's name.
No, that is Harry. Well, that's actually let's actually address that.
It's a very old school old Richard.
Yeah, it's just a short for Richard. So and that's another thing we get big for Richard.
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Wow. Remember, they'll say by the bell where it would call the principal dick.
Yeah, dick. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's the I go into the principal's and say that nowadays.
I do, but anyway. Oh, yeah. No, anyway. Good for you. Because I'm still in high school, guys.
So, Sean, give us a little breakdown. Dick Tracy.
Dick Tracy. So, for any of our listeners out there who is going like,
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what does Dick Tracy have to do with, you know, comic books and stuff?
Well, Dick Tracy is a comic strip, you know, created before Superman.
1931 was the first ever comic strip of Dick Tracy.
So, Sean. Yes, sir. Here's a question. This is normally a cinematic question,
but we're going to bring it over here because I've forgotten our other episode.
Who would win in a fight? Here we go. Dick Tracy or Superman?
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No, not that one. That's not fair. Dick Tracy or? The Spirit.
Oh. Okay, well, I feel like that's not a fair fight because the Spirit has,
you know, like. We're talking comic book versions.
I don't think the Spirit had powers in the comics. That's a great question.
I don't know. I never read the Spirit.
I don't know. I'd probably still say Dick Tracy. scene i i i feel like the spirit
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will win just because he he's more colorful yeah i think it's a great i don't
know yeah that's a good one what's even funnier the guy who played the spirit
in the movies was from suits we were just talking about suits on cinematic adventures
like how to subscribe but anyway,
But yeah, so Dick Tracy is originally a comic strip, was a big movie character
back in the 30s and 40s. They would do these really cheap films for like an hour, stuff like that.
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And we really never saw much more of the character again. And so I want to say
it was recreated during the comic book boom of the 50s and 60s.
They brought Dick Tracy back, like they bought the spirit back and all that
stuff. And then we finally got a movie version in 1990 where Warren Beatty,
Oscar-winning director, took over this project that I think had been languishing
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for years in development hell.
And he, listen, I'm not going to lie, is this movie perfect?
No, there's a lot of things wrong with this movie.
But for just what he was able to pull off with this movie, with the practical
makeups, the set, the actors that he got in this movie, most of them probably his friends.
Well his name his name carrie clout and
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that was a big thing and we look back at some
of our 90s superhero movies especially the thing about dick tracy is
he was easy to do because he
was it was a it was a film detective noir type
thing really they spent most of their budget probably on colors the
makeup and the production design i guarantee you yeah because i
i and i did not research this i really probably should have
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is what all the actors were paid for their i mean I'm I'm I'm hoping a lot of
them were like paid scale like nothing just for shits and giggles they came
and they did this because we'll go over the cast a little while but you know
this one we came out at a time when studios were obviously you know going oh we have to do,
comic books because we just had literally the year earlier we had Batman which
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it burns Batman so it was blockbuster hit I was on another show recently I got
interviewed on a movie show and we did a Superman 78, 76? 70, yeah, 78.
And we talked about like, that was the start. A lot of people credit.
Like x-men for the modern comic book boom which is fair
but superman was the first movie that really showed
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hey these are unviable things bible thing
but then it also kind of ruined it itself and then batman brought it back yeah
so batman 89 rolls around and a lot of this it's got a very similar feel to
dick tracy which is why else yeah that old black and white look you know detective detective story,
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but Dick Tracy is just,
primary colors. You know what really upsets me?
Missed Opportunity was when Sin City hit it big, doing a Dick Tracy movie in that style.
Unfortunately, we got The Spirit instead. We got The Spirit,
and then we got Sin City 2. Yeah.
Fun fact, for those of you who like The Spirit movie, it's so bad.
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Oh, it's so bad. Fun fact, though, from the fanny pack, we are highest,
one of our highest downloaded episodes up until I really started putting work
on YouTube was our Sin City episode.
I have no idea why.
I love that movie. I'm pretty sure people were searching. Yeah,
I need to type in Sin City for Vegas and that products up.
Yeah. Or whatever. But back to your thing about how much people got paid.
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I just saw this. Oh, there you go.
Only on one of them. Okay. And that was Miss Madonna.
$35,000. That's nothing. Yeah. That's nothing. That's nothing.
They were actually dating at the time. And she was...
Like a big part in the movie too. She was. It wasn't like we say she was a second leader.
Yeah. Second, third, I would assume they would all get paid around there.
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I would see someone like Al Pacino paid more because it's Al Pacino.
Or whatever. But so ironically enough, I have Sirius XM radio and the 90s on
nine station was on the other day and, you know, produce Melanie and I are going for a drive.
And the song that she sings in it comes on really well.
Yeah which is weird because i know it's a night technically it
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was made in the 90s but that song is like it has
a 30s feel to it yeah like they play it and we're listening to
it we're like man she's kind of a floozy which which song
the the one that she sings about like the role of
women yeah i forget the name of it but it was it
was very funny i want more i think maybe something like
that fun fact songs in this movie music and
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lyrics by uh the great steven slantyne oh really yeah
it's only i think it's his only feature film score he
ever did and what a feature film score to have i'm sorry
not score a feature film music because danny elfin did the score okay
so i had my dance no it's just fine the great i mean the great danny no you
were not wrong ah now we're gonna do this thing with danny elfin yeah it's inventing
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one of the best family guy jokes of all time all right so let's jump into we'll
do the cast first because obviously it's It's on a very big, diverse cast.
And also, I want to say, I remember, I don't remember which VHS it was,
but one of my tapes had the trailer for this. Yeah, because technically it's
a Disney movie. It's Touchstone.
Which is wild. Yeah. So I don't remember what it was, but it was something that
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I would always see and always watch.
I'll lay it since 1990.
I don't think it would be an animated movie. So probably Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
I will guarantee you. Oh, it might have been Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
Favorite movie. Definitely. Because I was 89.
Video wasn't an animated movie because they would not put dick tracy
in front of like moon mermaid or not eating the beast
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but it's fun when you think back to that like you're like i saw this trail what
video did i watch this trailer oh but yeah the cast is incredible as we've said
i mean we'll go over right now but let's go over it right now sir we have the
great warren baby who is the director and star playing the character dick tracy
has he been in anything Anything else before this?
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Bonnie and Clyde. Never heard of that. She won the Academy Award for directing
a movie called Reds, which is one of those movies. The single to blues?
It just, like I said, no, I think the following year he did a movie Bugsy,
which was very good. I mean, he's been in a bunch of movies.
He's a stalker. What's he up to now?
He's retired. Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. Is he still alive? Yes,
he is still alive. Oh, I am. He's old then.
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It's gotta be his 80s. All right. So really, like, who would win in a fight?
Yes, sir. Me. Take Tracy or the man in the yellow hat from Curious George.
The jersey the tracy i don't know he puts up with that monkey he does put up
with the bone and that monkey gets this up shenanigans but this jersey has a gun,
Yeah, but how many people is he killing in this movie? Did Tracy?
Yeah. Three. 30? You know what I love about this? Wow. All right.
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That's fine. What I love about movies like this, especially,
because I remember this is the first time I ever realized it as a kid,
they all had Tommy guns, which I learned was called the Tommy gun from The Mask,
which is another movie we have not yet done. And we did.
The Mask on Multiverse Fan Guest? Yeah. I was on The Mask. It was a great movie.
Oh, one day we're going to do something like this. We did do The Mask because
I refused to talk about Son of the Mask.
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So that's probably fair and you probably haven't seen it no because
i refuse to watch it because i'm garbage oh that's fair so it
but that's also the scene like when he calls it you know he's like
a tommy gun and he makes it out of blue and i was like oh that's what that's
called eight-year-old paul learning things but i remember in the trailer for
this it was the first time i ever noticed how they shoot tommy guns in all these
movies where it's now that they're hicks and they're just moving back to forth
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same thing like the rocketeer and all these other movies where i'm like they They don't aim.
And my favorite, though, in any movie, any movie where they fire guns,
they can be up at shoulder length and it's hitting the ground. The ground's popping.
What? What? Who's up?
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I, like, as we said before, this movie came out and this is a time when the
studios were like, okay, let's start doing all these comic book movies,
but they weren't comic book movies that you would think to do.
Like they weren't trying to do spider-man and they weren't trying to do x-men they
were finding all these kind of like fun fact low-key titles so
like this michael jackson was trying to do spider-man as i
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mentioned well i think he did a couple of those companies again we were
talking about what if castings yeah and michael jackson
was trying to get something and james cameron too well jay everyone
tried yeah he was trying to do spider-man in the 90s but he knew it was like
i can't pull this off yeah i don't have it but like you
had this movie you had the rocketeer you had had the phantom you
had the shadow oh my god all these
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movies that are based off of like comic strips not comic books
because they were all so easier to do just from a
tactical standpoint and they're all they all feel the same like when i watched
it tracy when i watched the phantom when i watched rocketeer to me i'm watching
i feel like i'm watching the same movie yeah i love all the shadows the only
one i'm like i don't think i've ever actually seen it it was memorable yeah
so hard but you also got your like your dark man's coming around the same thank
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you how about Darkman. But yeah, back to the cast.
We have Madonna and this is Madonna.
No last name. No last name. Actually, I truthfully don't even know her real
name. Like McLovin? Her real name?
Madonna is her first name. Her real name is Madonna? Yeah. I did not know that. What's her last name?
Kafka Geon or something like that? It's got to sound Madonna Donna.
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Madonna Donna. Julia Guglia. Banana Rana. Pajama Rana. Banana Rana.
I can't wait to find clips from this episode. What?
So, yeah, Madonna's in the movie. What's the name of her character? Breathless Smaldy.
See, I like this because it's weird that Dick Tracy's the most normal name. Yeah, right?
And what's fun about this movie is, and again, if you're into the comic strip,
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you know these all these villains there's all these characters that
didn't appear together at the same time he took
all the characters and like like putting everybody in this
movie yeah i think also again this movie went through
development hell it was on the shelf for a long time and warren baity comes
in and he's able to kind of get it going because they have the star power and
probably the finances to do it so it makes sense that they're like we're probably
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not gonna get a sequel might as well might as well just get them all in yeah
i want to say i want to say they They probably plan to do one,
but I think the movie didn't end up doing as well as they expected it to.
I also think Warren Bay is not the easiest person to work for. I can see that, yeah.
Numerous actors have said, like, we love him as a person, but as a director,
he is a pain in the ass. Yeah. How many movies did he direct off the top of your head?
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I mean, he's directed at least 10 plus movies. I mean, you know,
he's done a lot, you know, and stuff. All right. Let's keep going down. Okay.
We're going to just keep going. Keep going. The great Al Pacino as Big Boy Caprice
actually was nominated for an Academy Award for that performance. Was he really?
He really was. He had two nominations that year. He was nominated for Big Boy
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Caprice Sporting Actor, and he was nominated for Michael Chloé and for Godfather 3 for Lead Actor.
And he steals the movie. Oh, yeah. He absolutely steals the movie.
He's almost unrecognizable in the makeup. Yeah. But the makeup is fantastic in this movie.
The only other movie that he did a better performance, in my very humble opinion, is Jack and Jill.
I've still never seen the story. Oh, God. It's bad. We have Glenn Healy as Tess
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Shugart, who is Dick Tracy's girlfriend.
Charlie Korsmo as the kid. And this is before Hook. Yep.
And the kid is an actual character from the comic strips. He ends up becoming Dick Tracy Jr.
That was another big thing in the 90s, especially. All these junior characters.
You had Indiana Jones Jr.
You had Harkin Leach Jr. Yeah, like they had a ton of like juniors.
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We have Seymour Cassell as Sam Katcha, one of Tracy's closest associates.
Charles Durning as Chief Brandon.
Dick Van Dyke as District Attorney John Fletcher. Kathy Bates as Mrs. Green.
Literally, she's in the movie for five seconds. I'm the demographer.
Dustin Hoffman as Mumbles. William Forsythe as Flattop, who was the top hitman in Big Boy's gang.
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James Tolkien, who many people might know as principal strickland
from the back to the future movies as numbers mandy patinkin
as media keys a piano player we got
paul sorino as lips manless james khan as spud spaldoni who is sort of like
the other big criminal head that the big board is up against and that's pretty
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much it in terms of the big real big deals she's in it but i swear to god i've
never seen her like she's in in it.
I can never find her, though. I think her stuff got cut.
That's just a lot to do with the makeup and all that stuff, too.
You have to do what you don't recognize.
No, that's true. You wouldn't know, like I said, unless you really knew it was Pacino.
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So going through that cast list and hearing all those names,
if you were a character in this movie, what would your name be?
Because some of those names are just so much fun. I feel like Sean you need to read.
It's not funny, though. It's funny, but it's also not what would
you be then that's a great quite i i i don't
know mine would be like wise ass yeah yeah
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yeah right and then i'd be begrudgingly begrudgingly like like b dot not even
like it'd be part of a part of a scrunchie like something iconic because that's
his favorite word iconic yeah you use a chronic a lot with me too no i'd be called any who any who,
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like the kid from Hook No Name or Don't Ask I always thought it was Don't Ask
Stop it, don't you dare don't even think about it I swear to God,
but anyway so let's actually go through the plot normally on Multiverse we don't
go through plots too much, but let's because obviously this is a movie that
came out almost 30, 40 years ago,
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it's 1990 so yeah, 94 years ago I had to really put that into perspective and it kind of hurt.
Yeah. Anyway, so let's run through the actual, you were one.
You're still number one.
That would actually be your name. Number one. Number one? Yeah.
Not number two. Number two. No, no, no. Okay.
God, this cross-promotional stuff between the shows is getting really confusing.
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Anyway, so, Sean, give us a brief, brief plot synopsis for this movie.
Pretty much, you know, the city is sort of being overrun by the criminal gangs.
Is it like a New York City?
They never really say. So it's like a Chicago, New York.
Because in Sin City, the name of the city is actually called Basin City.
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Basin City. But they call it Sin, B-A-S-I-N.
I'm actually, now that you say it, I'm on space anyway.
It's a research first time. I think it's just one of those, you know,
it's Chicago or New York.
Those are your big mob towns. You know, Big Boy Caprice pretty much kills a
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rival gang boss and pretty much tries to take over the city.
Dick Tracy is sort of the only one that can really stop anyone.
And it's kind of, you know, you get to meet all these characters.
There's Breathless is a singer in a club.
She is the Femme Fatale. She is a Femme Fatale.
You know, you kind of you don't know what side she's on.
She kind of plays the I'm not on anyone's side. I'm on my side.
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I think that's an actual line in the movie.
She clearly likes Dick Tracy. He clearly likes her, but they don't end up together.
And it's really just kind of back and forth between Dick Tracy and the big boy
Caprice kind of like trying to outsmart each other.
So a lot of montages a lot of like you know
you know stuff where you know like he
plants someone in big boy's thing to find out
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where they're going to hit and it's you
know it's just kind of the story itself is
not the greatest don't get me wrong it's really not a great story but
it's just again it's everything else that makes the movie work for me so
we've talked a lot about especially comic book movies where if
you have the perfect marriage of visuals and script and like
they all all kind of come together and comic book
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movies are notorious in certain ways that they don't
always have the best scripts but sometimes the visuals are just so good
you kind of just ignore it like i love avengers endgame but
in all honesty like it was the ending to that story the
script is is a you know goodbye letter yeah it's not you know it's not a movie
you could just sit down and watch if you've never seen any of the other stuff
yeah so for me like when i watch any comic book movie i look at spectacle first
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and then i look at scripts yeah which is funny that you both agree with it because
you both still argue Batman vs Superman with me. I'll set you guys up for that one.
Yeah defend yourselves i'm not defending anything i still think
it's a shitty movie yeah but the spectacle what what's
respectable so the visuals are fantastic in
that movie they're all the same you're all the same and i'm
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not even gonna i'm not gonna get stupid but anyway but going
back to it like you know obviously the detective noir aspect of
it really brings a different level of comic book movie
to it because we don't get that a lot and it wasn't until sin city
rolled around that people were like hey oh wow this is
great and and i remember sitting in the theater watching since
city and i'm just like this reminds me of dick tracy right
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it's totally different than dick tracy but it
just reminds me of it the makeup the the
storyline obviously the time period it's got
that look and i'm just like oh they could remake dick tracy using
this you know this filmmaking style i'd
be there in a second is it too late though for that like i
think so i think sin city 2 killed it i don't know
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again i still don't know what the happened in the movie so
i'll tell you exactly what happened sin city and 300
come out around the same time they had that very similar aesthetic
to them that very like the comic book panel
style yeah right where they they do the
contrasting colors and the and the stick out moments and
stuff like that and they obviously they rip scenes right from the comics as
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much as i love zack snyder i'll defend most of zack snyder visually he.
Always puts on a show like you look at watchman you look at 300 and
yes you look at bad member superman all those stuff there are there's this outstanding
visuals but then story is where he suffers sin city
had a great story had great visuals had a great cast
and i don't really don't like anthology type movies or into the series it works
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for that they then waited too long and in the interim of of sin city and sin
city a dame to kill for you got your spirit you got your 300 rise of an empire
and just people weren't interested anymore.
It was done. And the story of Sin City had deemed a killer. I think that's a fact, too.
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I just think the storylines in the sequel for Sin City was a big factor in why it wasn't that good.
I also feel like the characters weren't as intriguing as they were in the original.
But compared to this, and I think the downfall for this movie,
for Dick Tracy, is I think they put too much into it.
To start off whether and i really don't know
i i like to think they probably weren't as
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you said i don't know if they were intending to do a sequel because again
sequels weren't a thing really right you really think that
wasn't the studio's mindset they just
wanted to make their money and that was it when did batman returns
come out 92 92 i was so i
was curious i was like is this during the time where they wanted to
get away from the really ultra violent because this is a pretty
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pretty violent movie yeah like for there's no blood but
you clearly see people getting shot yeah you don't all that stuff but
yeah no this is this is night it's literally right after batman
i mean it's it's it's you know and i'm just
i again i think the downfall was he probably introduced too many characters
but they were probably going like we're not probably going to do another one
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so you really want to get all these characters in there and i don't know but
i think that might be where downfall i'll also argue that the beginning of the
90s was a weird time for entertainment.
Where suddenly parent groups were up in arms right it happened earlier in the
century with the comic code authority and parents being like comic books are destroying the youth,
then we got with the uh rap music and all that but like for our generation especially
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with television power rangers then south park were the two big ones that parent
groups were like Like, what are our children watching?
And now, like, now the accessibility of anything is wild beyond belief.
Yeah. Which is a whole other conversation.
That's an MF Uncensored. We did do an MF Uncensored on that sort of thing.
I didn't go for my parents on it because, I mean, they let me watch Power Rangers.
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I mean, there was nothing objectionable in that. No, not a drop of blood in
Power Rangers. Nothing.
It was a freaking kid show yeah i i
was big bad beetleborgs fan i didn't like because of the
monster and also the catchiest theme songs and vr troopers i
like vr troopers as well but i would love to do an actual episode
on like no like seriously on the on the third because that was a big thing superhuman
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samurai cyber squad also mass writer i didn't know that one that they introduced
him in a power rangers episode and turn them off yeah there was a lot of those
sentai shows the sentai shows were big i mean again it's the copy it's the copycat
you know yeah you know know, let's do what works.
But as we've said, I mean, Dick Tracy is the copycat league.
It's like, oh, Batman came out. Let's do this. Dick Tracy came out.
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Oh, okay, Rocketeer. Let's do the Phantom. What year was Rocketeer?
I think Rocketeer was 90 or 91.
What a weird, like, a great... That was also Disney. Like, a great time for
comic book movies, but they're all kind of... And then Steel came out.
I think all of... It's funny how this, Dick Tracy, this, Rocketeer, Phantom, and Shadow...
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They all suffered, you know, and I don't think they were the strongest characters for this time period.
Like they worked back in the 30s. They worked with the comics fix,
but it just did they really adapt well to film?
I still think you could pull off a Dick Tracy movie today. I think I would have
a person. Yeah, right. Person looking over that project.
The right way to film it. I think you can do it. The problem is he has the rights
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to it and he has not done anything.
I actually think Dick Tracy would work really well. I guess as a Jack Breacher style show.
Yeah, but I would want, I would want to see, I would want it to look like that.
It's got to have the aesthetic, right?
So I think, but doing it like a, like on Peacock or a streaming. Something like that.
I think plus I don't even care where he put it. I honestly think it would,
it would benefit greatly from being a, a, a, a joke. Yeah.
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Again, there was not a single CGI effect in this entire movie.
Every actor was put under, every actor was put under like mounds of makeup.
Yeah. The, the sets were all real.
Sadly, that whole set burned down not too long after the movie was done.
So that's another reason why they never did another one, because they didn't
want to rebuild all those sets.
But I just love this movie.
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The way it looks, the way it was put together, it's just one of those movies
that it will always be kind of like... Production value alone,
it's worth its spot in history.
There are plenty of movies, TV shows, where the production value is super high,
but it's not a good show or movie.
Like you don't watch it for that yeah like we just started watching the
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halo show and it's all right but i don't
know there was a show but no yeah they're starting season two but like
they started this halo show and the production value
is wild the show's just kind of okay it's all
right that's the problem like you're spending all that you know
on that and basically you get out of it
yeah but again you you watch it and you're like wow like
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the suit is fantastic it's a practical suit for
a lot of it and it's like it looks fantastic it's like ripped out
same thing with this like and also like you look
at the spirit the spirit rips the soup right out like it had the look of the
comics and all that stuff that was that was more ripped from the comics than
the tracing yes i mean it was literally like the film was brought to life and
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we talked about the spirit the problem with the spirit was they deviated too
far from the source material they wanted to add like all this mysticism and
all this stuff into it it just didn't work.
And it was just stupid. Oh, yeah. It was a fun suit. I will never not love the
line, though, when he when he wakes up, Gabriel, Gabriel box from suits wakes
up. He's like, somebody get me a tie and it sure is how better view bread.
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He he just leans into it. And same thing with this. Warren B. Betty.
I go to again. Warren B. Is the probably the most boring part of the movie.
Yeah. Like he's playing it straight. But that is the Tracy.
Everyone else is hamming it up. And I think that's what works.
You know, like I said, big. I mean, this might be the most overblown performance ever by Al Pacino.
No, you've got to see just one scene from Jack and Jill.
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Well, you know what I mean. Like, legitimate performance.
No, I got shit. You know, he is just hamming it up, and he's having a gory time. I can imagine.
Dustin Hoffman, for five minutes, he's on camera. You can't understand what
he's saying. He's just mumbling along.
So, this movie's budget in 1990 was $47 million. Wow.
Worldwide, it ended up doing $162 million. So, it wasn't a bomb.
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No, it was not a bomb. It did well.
You know, $103 million just in the U.S. and Canada.
And then another $59 million overseas.
But yeah, I think it was a mixture of... It probably didn't make the Batman
numbers. So Disney's fine.
And also, again, I don't think Disney really wanted to continue to work with
Warren Beatty. That's another reason why we never got another one.
But I can still hope that we'll eventually get a Dick Tracy movie at some point. I'd be okay with it.
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But Sean, Star City rating? A four. I give it a four.
A four? I love this movie. That's solid. That is a solid movie.
Ronnie? I only watched it once. That's probably as much as I'd watch it.
That's more than you've watched some of the stuff that we've watched.
You can't find it anywhere either.
It's not on Disney+. It's not on any streamer. Which is weird.
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I'm sure that might have something to do with Warren Babin.
Same thing with Dogma. Can't watch Dogma. It's the wine scene.
The terrible wine scene has the streaming right to it. And he doesn't want to
release it just because he's a terrible human being.
Among other reasons. But I would say this is like a three. Three to me. On average. On average.
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Good for its time. I'm not going to say it's good as Batman,
but that's what Disney thought it was going to be.
I'm going to give it a three and a half. It's more on production value alone. It looks so good.
It does. It is a good looking movie. So we're going to have pretty good consensus
all around. We got to do a movie where we all just completely disagree.
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That'll be a fun time. That was Batman vs. Superman. No, you guys ganged up on that. We ganged up.
It was like 2v1. It was a better fight than Batman vs. Superman.
He wants to be a 5, a 3, and a 1.
We got to battle Royale. I can make that happen.
I know you can make that happen. You're going to find the one movie that we're
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all like, I love it, I hate it. I'm indifferent.
And I'm here. but that is Sean it's hard finding movies that Sean doesn't like that he'll talk about.
Like blaze of glory you won't talk about it i'll
talk about it you talk about blaze of glory i'll talk about any welfare movie oh
dear god actually that would be a lot of fun save
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it save it hold it with this like did i actually come out and say i hate will
ferrell yes when you have i've said i hate him in the in the annals of our friendship
i hate will ferrell and i refuse to see any of his movies i've actually said
that because i don't recall ever saying that yes i've shown and disdain of some of his movies.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to the Multiverse Fancast. Don't forget if you
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Adventures and MF Uncensored.
As always, I'm one of your hosts, Paul, mostly begrudgingly.
But anyway, we are also joined in the studio by co-host Ronnie.
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Ronnie, how are you today? I'm doing great. How are you, sir?
Begrudgingly. You're doing begrudgingly? I'm just making sure you guys know how I feel right now.
And all the way from Cinematic Adventures and, of course, your mom's diary is Sean.
Sean, how are you? you i'm just wonderful i can't wait to talk about this i
know that's why we invited you thank you i saw this movie once once that's it
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once i missed out guys so it's a great movie,
we're gonna preface this by saying i cannot take accountability or responsibility
for the amount of jokes that will be made especially by ronnie having nothing
having said that In today's episode, we're going to be...
Are you Austin Powered over there? Okay.
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All right. I don't know how I'm going to edit this already. It's four minutes.
Not even four minutes oh my god but we are talking about the 1994.
No 1990. 19 why do i keep saying 1994. no very strange i'm gonna edit it out
you remember in the free show too i did 1990.
Yes two hours ago when it was that way so that he died 1990.
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No you said 1999. that's that's their mom virus in 1999.
That's the first year that's when it started but anyway oh my
god oh i know now that that we're doing video
everybody's like hmm that guy i can see
it i can see it it makes sense but we are
talking about the 1990 film noir
special dick tracy and yes
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i put the emphasis certain places just for you right there you go thank you
you know so i've been learning video editing and one of the things i'm working
on is making like words like that like it just cuts like and they pop and i
already know that that is going to just fill up the screen just dick No, Tracy Lee Phillips.
Terverts. Sorry, right? And I'm the man born.
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All right, that's fair. That's for Warren Betty. All right. Him too.
Did I correct you every time you mispronounced Mila Kunis' name on Cinematic
Adventure? You said it was not Beatty? It's Mila.
You said Milo. I did say Milo. You always say Milo. So many times.
You said it once. I apologize.
That is bad job on me. Yeah, that's right. We're going to actually be turning
a lot of this episode over to Sean because he is an expert on Dick Tracy.
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Tracy. I got I missed the Tracy, not the deck.
I don't even know. I do know somebody named Tracy. I lied. Wow. Yeah, my aunt's name.
No, that is Harry. Well, that's actually let's actually address that.
It's a very old school old Richard.
Yeah, it's just a short for Richard. So and that's another thing we get big for Richard.
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Wow. Remember, they'll say by the bell where it would call the principal dick.
Yeah, dick. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's the I go into the principal's and say that nowadays.
I do, but anyway. Oh, yeah. No, anyway. Good for you. Because I'm still in high school, guys.
So, Sean, give us a little breakdown. Dick Tracy.
Dick Tracy. So, for any of our listeners out there who is going like,
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what does Dick Tracy have to do with, you know, comic books and stuff?
Well, Dick Tracy is a comic strip, you know, created before Superman.
1931 was the first ever comic strip of Dick Tracy.
So, Sean. Yes, sir. Here's a question. This is normally a cinematic question,
but we're going to bring it over here because I've forgotten our other episode.
Who would win in a fight? Here we go. Dick Tracy or Superman?
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No, not that one. That's not fair. Dick Tracy or? The Spirit.
Oh. Okay, well, I feel like that's not a fair fight because the Spirit has,
you know, like. We're talking comic book versions.
I don't think the Spirit had powers in the comics. That's a great question.
I don't know. I never read the Spirit.
I don't know. I'd probably still say Dick Tracy. scene i i i feel like the spirit
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will win just because he he's more colorful yeah i think it's a great i don't
know yeah that's a good one what's even funnier the guy who played the spirit
in the movies was from suits we were just talking about suits on cinematic adventures
like how to subscribe but anyway,
But yeah, so Dick Tracy is originally a comic strip, was a big movie character
back in the 30s and 40s. They would do these really cheap films for like an hour, stuff like that.
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And we really never saw much more of the character again. And so I want to say
it was recreated during the comic book boom of the 50s and 60s.
They brought Dick Tracy back, like they bought the spirit back and all that
stuff. And then we finally got a movie version in 1990 where Warren Beatty,
Oscar-winning director, took over this project that I think had been languishing
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for years in development hell.
And he, listen, I'm not going to lie, is this movie perfect?
No, there's a lot of things wrong with this movie.
But for just what he was able to pull off with this movie, with the practical
makeups, the set, the actors that he got in this movie, most of them probably his friends.
Well his name his name carrie clout and
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that was a big thing and we look back at some
of our 90s superhero movies especially the thing about dick tracy is
he was easy to do because he
was it was a it was a film detective noir type
thing really they spent most of their budget probably on colors the
makeup and the production design i guarantee you yeah because i
i and i did not research this i really probably should have
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is what all the actors were paid for their i mean I'm I'm I'm hoping a lot of
them were like paid scale like nothing just for shits and giggles they came
and they did this because we'll go over the cast a little while but you know
this one we came out at a time when studios were obviously you know going oh we have to do,
comic books because we just had literally the year earlier we had Batman which
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it burns Batman so it was blockbuster hit I was on another show recently I got
interviewed on a movie show and we did a Superman 78, 76? 70, yeah, 78.
And we talked about like, that was the start. A lot of people credit.
Like x-men for the modern comic book boom which is fair
but superman was the first movie that really showed
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hey these are unviable things bible thing
but then it also kind of ruined it itself and then batman brought it back yeah
so batman 89 rolls around and a lot of this it's got a very similar feel to
dick tracy which is why else yeah that old black and white look you know detective detective story,
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but Dick Tracy is just,
primary colors. You know what really upsets me?
Missed Opportunity was when Sin City hit it big, doing a Dick Tracy movie in that style.
Unfortunately, we got The Spirit instead. We got The Spirit,
and then we got Sin City 2. Yeah.
Fun fact, for those of you who like The Spirit movie, it's so bad.
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Oh, it's so bad. Fun fact, though, from the fanny pack, we are highest,
one of our highest downloaded episodes up until I really started putting work
on YouTube was our Sin City episode.
I have no idea why.
I love that movie. I'm pretty sure people were searching. Yeah,
I need to type in Sin City for Vegas and that products up.
Yeah. Or whatever. But back to your thing about how much people got paid.
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I just saw this. Oh, there you go.
Only on one of them. Okay. And that was Miss Madonna.
$35,000. That's nothing. Yeah. That's nothing. That's nothing.
They were actually dating at the time. And she was...
Like a big part in the movie too. She was. It wasn't like we say she was a second leader.
Yeah. Second, third, I would assume they would all get paid around there.
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I would see someone like Al Pacino paid more because it's Al Pacino.
Or whatever. But so ironically enough, I have Sirius XM radio and the 90s on
nine station was on the other day and, you know, produce Melanie and I are going for a drive.
And the song that she sings in it comes on really well.
Yeah which is weird because i know it's a night technically it
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was made in the 90s but that song is like it has
a 30s feel to it yeah like they play it and we're listening to
it we're like man she's kind of a floozy which which song
the the one that she sings about like the role of
women yeah i forget the name of it but it was it
was very funny i want more i think maybe something like
that fun fact songs in this movie music and
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lyrics by uh the great steven slantyne oh really yeah
it's only i think it's his only feature film score he
ever did and what a feature film score to have i'm sorry
not score a feature film music because danny elfin did the score okay
so i had my dance no it's just fine the great i mean the great danny no you
were not wrong ah now we're gonna do this thing with danny elfin yeah it's inventing
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one of the best family guy jokes of all time all right so let's jump into we'll
do the cast first because obviously it's It's on a very big, diverse cast.
And also, I want to say, I remember, I don't remember which VHS it was,
but one of my tapes had the trailer for this. Yeah, because technically it's
a Disney movie. It's Touchstone.
Which is wild. Yeah. So I don't remember what it was, but it was something that
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I would always see and always watch.
I'll lay it since 1990.
I don't think it would be an animated movie. So probably Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
I will guarantee you. Oh, it might have been Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
Favorite movie. Definitely. Because I was 89.
Video wasn't an animated movie because they would not put dick tracy
in front of like moon mermaid or not eating the beast
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but it's fun when you think back to that like you're like i saw this trail what
video did i watch this trailer oh but yeah the cast is incredible as we've said
i mean we'll go over right now but let's go over it right now sir we have the
great warren baby who is the director and star playing the character dick tracy
has he been in anything Anything else before this?
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Bonnie and Clyde. Never heard of that. She won the Academy Award for directing
a movie called Reds, which is one of those movies. The single to blues?
It just, like I said, no, I think the following year he did a movie Bugsy,
which was very good. I mean, he's been in a bunch of movies.
He's a stalker. What's he up to now?
He's retired. Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. Is he still alive? Yes,
he is still alive. Oh, I am. He's old then.
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It's gotta be his 80s. All right. So really, like, who would win in a fight?
Yes, sir. Me. Take Tracy or the man in the yellow hat from Curious George.
The jersey the tracy i don't know he puts up with that monkey he does put up
with the bone and that monkey gets this up shenanigans but this jersey has a gun,
Yeah, but how many people is he killing in this movie? Did Tracy?
Yeah. Three. 30? You know what I love about this? Wow. All right.
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That's fine. What I love about movies like this, especially,
because I remember this is the first time I ever realized it as a kid,
they all had Tommy guns, which I learned was called the Tommy gun from The Mask,
which is another movie we have not yet done. And we did.
The Mask on Multiverse Fan Guest? Yeah. I was on The Mask. It was a great movie.
Oh, one day we're going to do something like this. We did do The Mask because
I refused to talk about Son of the Mask.
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So that's probably fair and you probably haven't seen it no because
i refuse to watch it because i'm garbage oh that's fair so it
but that's also the scene like when he calls it you know he's like
a tommy gun and he makes it out of blue and i was like oh that's what that's
called eight-year-old paul learning things but i remember in the trailer for
this it was the first time i ever noticed how they shoot tommy guns in all these
movies where it's now that they're hicks and they're just moving back to forth
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same thing like the rocketeer and all these other movies where i'm like they They don't aim.
And my favorite, though, in any movie, any movie where they fire guns,
they can be up at shoulder length and it's hitting the ground. The ground's popping.
What? What? Who's up?
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I, like, as we said before, this movie came out and this is a time when the
studios were like, okay, let's start doing all these comic book movies,
but they weren't comic book movies that you would think to do.
Like they weren't trying to do spider-man and they weren't trying to do x-men they
were finding all these kind of like fun fact low-key titles so
like this michael jackson was trying to do spider-man as i
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mentioned well i think he did a couple of those companies again we were
talking about what if castings yeah and michael jackson
was trying to get something and james cameron too well jay everyone
tried yeah he was trying to do spider-man in the 90s but he knew it was like
i can't pull this off yeah i don't have it but like you
had this movie you had the rocketeer you had had the phantom you
had the shadow oh my god all these
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movies that are based off of like comic strips not comic books
because they were all so easier to do just from a
tactical standpoint and they're all they all feel the same like when i watched
it tracy when i watched the phantom when i watched rocketeer to me i'm watching
i feel like i'm watching the same movie yeah i love all the shadows the only
one i'm like i don't think i've ever actually seen it it was memorable yeah
so hard but you also got your like your dark man's coming around the same thank
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you how about Darkman. But yeah, back to the cast.
We have Madonna and this is Madonna.
No last name. No last name. Actually, I truthfully don't even know her real
name. Like McLovin? Her real name?
Madonna is her first name. Her real name is Madonna? Yeah. I did not know that. What's her last name?
Kafka Geon or something like that? It's got to sound Madonna Donna.
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Madonna Donna. Julia Guglia. Banana Rana. Pajama Rana. Banana Rana.
I can't wait to find clips from this episode. What?
So, yeah, Madonna's in the movie. What's the name of her character? Breathless Smaldy.
See, I like this because it's weird that Dick Tracy's the most normal name. Yeah, right?
And what's fun about this movie is, and again, if you're into the comic strip,
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you know these all these villains there's all these characters that
didn't appear together at the same time he took
all the characters and like like putting everybody in this
movie yeah i think also again this movie went through
development hell it was on the shelf for a long time and warren baity comes
in and he's able to kind of get it going because they have the star power and
probably the finances to do it so it makes sense that they're like we're probably
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not gonna get a sequel might as well might as well just get them all in yeah
i want to say i want to say they They probably plan to do one,
but I think the movie didn't end up doing as well as they expected it to.
I also think Warren Bay is not the easiest person to work for. I can see that, yeah.
Numerous actors have said, like, we love him as a person, but as a director,
he is a pain in the ass. Yeah. How many movies did he direct off the top of your head?
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I mean, he's directed at least 10 plus movies. I mean, you know,
he's done a lot, you know, and stuff. All right. Let's keep going down. Okay.
We're going to just keep going. Keep going. The great Al Pacino as Big Boy Caprice
actually was nominated for an Academy Award for that performance. Was he really?
He really was. He had two nominations that year. He was nominated for Big Boy
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Caprice Sporting Actor, and he was nominated for Michael Chloé and for Godfather 3 for Lead Actor.
And he steals the movie. Oh, yeah. He absolutely steals the movie.
He's almost unrecognizable in the makeup. Yeah. But the makeup is fantastic in this movie.
The only other movie that he did a better performance, in my very humble opinion, is Jack and Jill.
I've still never seen the story. Oh, God. It's bad. We have Glenn Healy as Tess
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Shugart, who is Dick Tracy's girlfriend.
Charlie Korsmo as the kid. And this is before Hook. Yep.
And the kid is an actual character from the comic strips. He ends up becoming Dick Tracy Jr.
That was another big thing in the 90s, especially. All these junior characters.
You had Indiana Jones Jr.
You had Harkin Leach Jr. Yeah, like they had a ton of like juniors.
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We have Seymour Cassell as Sam Katcha, one of Tracy's closest associates.
Charles Durning as Chief Brandon.
Dick Van Dyke as District Attorney John Fletcher. Kathy Bates as Mrs. Green.
Literally, she's in the movie for five seconds. I'm the demographer.
Dustin Hoffman as Mumbles. William Forsythe as Flattop, who was the top hitman in Big Boy's gang.
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James Tolkien, who many people might know as principal strickland
from the back to the future movies as numbers mandy patinkin
as media keys a piano player we got
paul sorino as lips manless james khan as spud spaldoni who is sort of like
the other big criminal head that the big board is up against and that's pretty
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much it in terms of the big real big deals she's in it but i swear to god i've
never seen her like she's in in it.
I can never find her, though. I think her stuff got cut.
That's just a lot to do with the makeup and all that stuff, too.
You have to do what you don't recognize.
No, that's true. You wouldn't know, like I said, unless you really knew it was Pacino.
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So going through that cast list and hearing all those names,
if you were a character in this movie, what would your name be?
Because some of those names are just so much fun. I feel like Sean you need to read.
It's not funny, though. It's funny, but it's also not what would
you be then that's a great quite i i i don't
know mine would be like wise ass yeah yeah
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yeah right and then i'd be begrudgingly begrudgingly like like b dot not even
like it'd be part of a part of a scrunchie like something iconic because that's
his favorite word iconic yeah you use a chronic a lot with me too no i'd be called any who any who,
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like the kid from Hook No Name or Don't Ask I always thought it was Don't Ask
Stop it, don't you dare don't even think about it I swear to God,
but anyway so let's actually go through the plot normally on Multiverse we don't
go through plots too much, but let's because obviously this is a movie that
came out almost 30, 40 years ago,
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it's 1990 so yeah, 94 years ago I had to really put that into perspective and it kind of hurt.
Yeah. Anyway, so let's run through the actual, you were one.
You're still number one.
That would actually be your name. Number one. Number one? Yeah.
Not number two. Number two. No, no, no. Okay.
God, this cross-promotional stuff between the shows is getting really confusing.
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Anyway, so, Sean, give us a brief, brief plot synopsis for this movie.
Pretty much, you know, the city is sort of being overrun by the criminal gangs.
Is it like a New York City?
They never really say. So it's like a Chicago, New York.
Because in Sin City, the name of the city is actually called Basin City.
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Basin City. But they call it Sin, B-A-S-I-N.
I'm actually, now that you say it, I'm on space anyway.
It's a research first time. I think it's just one of those, you know,
it's Chicago or New York.
Those are your big mob towns. You know, Big Boy Caprice pretty much kills a
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rival gang boss and pretty much tries to take over the city.
Dick Tracy is sort of the only one that can really stop anyone.
And it's kind of, you know, you get to meet all these characters.
There's Breathless is a singer in a club.
She is the Femme Fatale. She is a Femme Fatale.
You know, you kind of you don't know what side she's on.
She kind of plays the I'm not on anyone's side. I'm on my side.
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I think that's an actual line in the movie.
She clearly likes Dick Tracy. He clearly likes her, but they don't end up together.
And it's really just kind of back and forth between Dick Tracy and the big boy
Caprice kind of like trying to outsmart each other.
So a lot of montages a lot of like you know
you know stuff where you know like he
plants someone in big boy's thing to find out
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where they're going to hit and it's you
know it's just kind of the story itself is
not the greatest don't get me wrong it's really not a great story but
it's just again it's everything else that makes the movie work for me so
we've talked a lot about especially comic book movies where if
you have the perfect marriage of visuals and script and like
they all all kind of come together and comic book
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movies are notorious in certain ways that they don't
always have the best scripts but sometimes the visuals are just so good
you kind of just ignore it like i love avengers endgame but
in all honesty like it was the ending to that story the
script is is a you know goodbye letter yeah it's not you know it's not a movie
you could just sit down and watch if you've never seen any of the other stuff
yeah so for me like when i watch any comic book movie i look at spectacle first
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and then i look at scripts yeah which is funny that you both agree with it because
you both still argue Batman vs Superman with me. I'll set you guys up for that one.
Yeah defend yourselves i'm not defending anything i still think
it's a shitty movie yeah but the spectacle what what's
respectable so the visuals are fantastic in
that movie they're all the same you're all the same and i'm
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not even gonna i'm not gonna get stupid but anyway but going
back to it like you know obviously the detective noir aspect of
it really brings a different level of comic book movie
to it because we don't get that a lot and it wasn't until sin city
rolled around that people were like hey oh wow this is
great and and i remember sitting in the theater watching since
city and i'm just like this reminds me of dick tracy right
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it's totally different than dick tracy but it
just reminds me of it the makeup the the
storyline obviously the time period it's got
that look and i'm just like oh they could remake dick tracy using
this you know this filmmaking style i'd
be there in a second is it too late though for that like i
think so i think sin city 2 killed it i don't know
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again i still don't know what the happened in the movie so
i'll tell you exactly what happened sin city and 300
come out around the same time they had that very similar aesthetic
to them that very like the comic book panel
style yeah right where they they do the
contrasting colors and the and the stick out moments and
stuff like that and they obviously they rip scenes right from the comics as
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much as i love zack snyder i'll defend most of zack snyder visually he.
Always puts on a show like you look at watchman you look at 300 and
yes you look at bad member superman all those stuff there are there's this outstanding
visuals but then story is where he suffers sin city
had a great story had great visuals had a great cast
and i don't really don't like anthology type movies or into the series it works
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for that they then waited too long and in the interim of of sin city and sin
city a dame to kill for you got your spirit you got your 300 rise of an empire
and just people weren't interested anymore.
It was done. And the story of Sin City had deemed a killer. I think that's a fact, too.
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I just think the storylines in the sequel for Sin City was a big factor in why it wasn't that good.
I also feel like the characters weren't as intriguing as they were in the original.
But compared to this, and I think the downfall for this movie,
for Dick Tracy, is I think they put too much into it.
To start off whether and i really don't know
i i like to think they probably weren't as
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you said i don't know if they were intending to do a sequel because again
sequels weren't a thing really right you really think that
wasn't the studio's mindset they just
wanted to make their money and that was it when did batman returns
come out 92 92 i was so i
was curious i was like is this during the time where they wanted to
get away from the really ultra violent because this is a pretty
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pretty violent movie yeah like for there's no blood but
you clearly see people getting shot yeah you don't all that stuff but
yeah no this is this is night it's literally right after batman
i mean it's it's it's you know and i'm just
i again i think the downfall was he probably introduced too many characters
but they were probably going like we're not probably going to do another one
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so you really want to get all these characters in there and i don't know but
i think that might be where downfall i'll also argue that the beginning of the
90s was a weird time for entertainment.
Where suddenly parent groups were up in arms right it happened earlier in the
century with the comic code authority and parents being like comic books are destroying the youth,
then we got with the uh rap music and all that but like for our generation especially
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with television power rangers then south park were the two big ones that parent
groups were like Like, what are our children watching?
And now, like, now the accessibility of anything is wild beyond belief.
Yeah. Which is a whole other conversation.
That's an MF Uncensored. We did do an MF Uncensored on that sort of thing.
I didn't go for my parents on it because, I mean, they let me watch Power Rangers.
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I mean, there was nothing objectionable in that. No, not a drop of blood in
Power Rangers. Nothing.
It was a freaking kid show yeah i i
was big bad beetleborgs fan i didn't like because of the
monster and also the catchiest theme songs and vr troopers i
like vr troopers as well but i would love to do an actual episode
on like no like seriously on the on the third because that was a big thing superhuman
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samurai cyber squad also mass writer i didn't know that one that they introduced
him in a power rangers episode and turn them off yeah there was a lot of those
sentai shows the sentai shows were big i mean again it's the copy it's the copycat
you know yeah you know know, let's do what works.
But as we've said, I mean, Dick Tracy is the copycat league.
It's like, oh, Batman came out. Let's do this. Dick Tracy came out.
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Oh, okay, Rocketeer. Let's do the Phantom. What year was Rocketeer?
I think Rocketeer was 90 or 91.
What a weird, like, a great... That was also Disney. Like, a great time for
comic book movies, but they're all kind of... And then Steel came out.
I think all of... It's funny how this, Dick Tracy, this, Rocketeer, Phantom, and Shadow...
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They all suffered, you know, and I don't think they were the strongest characters for this time period.
Like they worked back in the 30s. They worked with the comics fix,
but it just did they really adapt well to film?
I still think you could pull off a Dick Tracy movie today. I think I would have
a person. Yeah, right. Person looking over that project.
The right way to film it. I think you can do it. The problem is he has the rights
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to it and he has not done anything.
I actually think Dick Tracy would work really well. I guess as a Jack Breacher style show.
Yeah, but I would want, I would want to see, I would want it to look like that.
It's got to have the aesthetic, right?
So I think, but doing it like a, like on Peacock or a streaming. Something like that.
I think plus I don't even care where he put it. I honestly think it would,
it would benefit greatly from being a, a, a, a joke. Yeah.
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Again, there was not a single CGI effect in this entire movie.
Every actor was put under, every actor was put under like mounds of makeup.
Yeah. The, the sets were all real.
Sadly, that whole set burned down not too long after the movie was done.
So that's another reason why they never did another one, because they didn't
want to rebuild all those sets.
But I just love this movie.
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The way it looks, the way it was put together, it's just one of those movies
that it will always be kind of like... Production value alone,
it's worth its spot in history.
There are plenty of movies, TV shows, where the production value is super high,
but it's not a good show or movie.
Like you don't watch it for that yeah like we just started watching the
(26:52):
halo show and it's all right but i don't
know there was a show but no yeah they're starting season two but like
they started this halo show and the production value
is wild the show's just kind of okay it's all
right that's the problem like you're spending all that you know
on that and basically you get out of it
yeah but again you you watch it and you're like wow like
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the suit is fantastic it's a practical suit for
a lot of it and it's like it looks fantastic it's like ripped out
same thing with this like and also like you look
at the spirit the spirit rips the soup right out like it had the look of the
comics and all that stuff that was that was more ripped from the comics than
the tracing yes i mean it was literally like the film was brought to life and
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we talked about the spirit the problem with the spirit was they deviated too
far from the source material they wanted to add like all this mysticism and
all this stuff into it it just didn't work.
And it was just stupid. Oh, yeah. It was a fun suit. I will never not love the
line, though, when he when he wakes up, Gabriel, Gabriel box from suits wakes
up. He's like, somebody get me a tie and it sure is how better view bread.
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He he just leans into it. And same thing with this. Warren B. Betty.
I go to again. Warren B. Is the probably the most boring part of the movie.
Yeah. Like he's playing it straight. But that is the Tracy.
Everyone else is hamming it up. And I think that's what works.
You know, like I said, big. I mean, this might be the most overblown performance ever by Al Pacino.
No, you've got to see just one scene from Jack and Jill.
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Well, you know what I mean. Like, legitimate performance.
No, I got shit. You know, he is just hamming it up, and he's having a gory time. I can imagine.
Dustin Hoffman, for five minutes, he's on camera. You can't understand what
he's saying. He's just mumbling along.
So, this movie's budget in 1990 was $47 million. Wow.
Worldwide, it ended up doing $162 million. So, it wasn't a bomb.
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No, it was not a bomb. It did well.
You know, $103 million just in the U.S. and Canada.
And then another $59 million overseas.
But yeah, I think it was a mixture of... It probably didn't make the Batman
numbers. So Disney's fine.
And also, again, I don't think Disney really wanted to continue to work with
Warren Beatty. That's another reason why we never got another one.
But I can still hope that we'll eventually get a Dick Tracy movie at some point. I'd be okay with it.
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But Sean, Star City rating? A four. I give it a four.
A four? I love this movie. That's solid. That is a solid movie.
Ronnie? I only watched it once. That's probably as much as I'd watch it.
That's more than you've watched some of the stuff that we've watched.
You can't find it anywhere either.
It's not on Disney+. It's not on any streamer. Which is weird.
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I'm sure that might have something to do with Warren Babin.
Same thing with Dogma. Can't watch Dogma. It's the wine scene.
The terrible wine scene has the streaming right to it. And he doesn't want to
release it just because he's a terrible human being.
Among other reasons. But I would say this is like a three. Three to me. On average. On average.
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Good for its time. I'm not going to say it's good as Batman,
but that's what Disney thought it was going to be.
I'm going to give it a three and a half. It's more on production value alone. It looks so good.
It does. It is a good looking movie. So we're going to have pretty good consensus
all around. We got to do a movie where we all just completely disagree.
(30:07):
That'll be a fun time. That was Batman vs. Superman. No, you guys ganged up on that. We ganged up.
It was like 2v1. It was a better fight than Batman vs. Superman.
He wants to be a 5, a 3, and a 1.
We got to battle Royale. I can make that happen.
I know you can make that happen. You're going to find the one movie that we're
(30:27):
all like, I love it, I hate it. I'm indifferent.
And I'm here. but that is Sean it's hard finding movies that Sean doesn't like that he'll talk about.
Like blaze of glory you won't talk about it i'll
talk about it you talk about blaze of glory i'll talk about any welfare movie oh
dear god actually that would be a lot of fun save
(30:51):
it save it hold it with this like did i actually come out and say i hate will
ferrell yes when you have i've said i hate him in the in the annals of our friendship
i hate will ferrell and i refuse to see any of his movies i've actually said
that because i don't recall ever saying that yes i've shown and disdain of some of his movies.
Thank you for listening today or watching if you are on YouTube.
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(31:35):
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Not Grindr. Oh, sorry. But that will wrap. I like sandwiches.
It's a sandwich. It's called Ogie's. Called Gyros.
Gyros, actually. That's going to wrap us up for today. As always,
I'm Paul. I'm Ronnie. Sean, this isn't your show.
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We're going to try it out again. I'm Sean.
And we'll be back in a flash. Don't, we're going to eat. Don't do jokes.
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