December 8, 2025 • 24 mins
A triple-homicide in a small rural community leaves more questions than answers. On a tip, Charlie Incarica decides to use his expiring airline miles, embed with a shaken community, and with any luck, make True Crime podcast history.
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Charlie Incarica (00:01):
Monday, March 9th, 2020, was a day that seemed
just like any other in thehistory of Shady Grove.
So why was this day differentfrom all others to borrow from
the Haggadah?
Because at 9:26 a.m., the headof Shady Grove's most
influential family, the Putnams,was found murdered in her large
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gated home.
Reporter 1 (00:22):
Violence rocked the tight-knit community of Shady
Grove today when one of its mostprominent citizens and two of
its less important ones werefound brutally murdered in the
home of Amanda Putnam.
Putting heiress.
Amanda Putnam Hart.
Reporter 2 (00:37):
And her other partner, Michelle Quincy, were
stabbed.
Reporter 1 (00:41):
134 acres.
Putnam Hart is the greatgranddaughter of renowned
pudding pioneer Edward Putnam,who in the early 1900s in
America the town's communitystated that Dutch was a good
thing.
Charlie Incarica (01:01):
In fact, foul play was very much ruled in as
the cause of these deaths.
But the more I read up on thiscase, the harder it became to
make sense of it.
Especially as Shady Grove'snewspaper, the Shady Grove
Examiner Picky Yoon, does thatannoying thing where after, like
the third paragraph, they makeyou subscribe to read the rest
of it.
It's strange.
(01:22):
The murders took place onlythree years ago and caused a
sensation at the time.
But less than a week after ithappened, the pandemic lockdown
began, and almost every newsstory from then on centered on
that.
Running a true crime fan site,I often get letters from fans of
true crime.
But this one was different.
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It was from a man named GregPutnam.
And he asked if I would callhim.
I said I don't I don't usuallycall people, but would he agree
to a video chat?
Hello.
Is this Hi Greg?
Can you hear me?
CP (02:00):
I can hear can I can't see you.
Charlie Incarica (02:02):
Nope.
You um I can see you just fineand I can hear you.
But I can't see you in me.
CP (02:06):
I've never done that.
I can hear you either.
Okay.
Charlie Incarica (02:08):
Okay, can you hear me?
But I don't know.
CP (02:10):
Yeah, I can hear you.
I don't know how new this is.
Charlie Incarica (02:12):
Uh well, if you just um where's your screen?
CP (02:17):
Screen.
My my what?
Charlie Incarica (02:18):
Are you at a you're at a computer, yeah?
Yeah.
So there's a a screen right infront of you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CP (02:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And a camera.
Yeah.
Yep, the camera's right there.
I got it.
unknown (02:30):
Okay.
Charlie Incarica (02:30):
And we can uh have a conversation.
Okay.
So why don't you tell me alittle bit uh about why you got
in touch with me?
Greg went on to describe in notnot great detail what he
believed was a brutal murder.
CP (02:45):
Um something came up about true crack on your name.
(03:22):
Just trying to fill the Sunday.
Charlie Incarica (03:25):
All right, well, you have a nice day.
CP (03:27):
All right, bye-bye.
Charlie Incarica (03:30):
Just when I thought I had my first lead, I
realized the case hadn't evenstarted.
I I didn't even know if I had acase.
This violent, tragic, and froma true crime podcast standpoint,
kick-ass triple murder seemedforever doomed to fall through
the cracks of history.
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But after being tantalized bywhat I'd read, and then
remembering the flight voucher Ireceived after getting
Salmonella from airlinepretzels, I decided fate was
calling me to stick my nose intohistory's crack, to unravel the
mystery of what the townspeoplecalled the Murderer Killings.
(04:11):
I'm Charles and Karika, andthis is the murderer killings.
Chief Ebner (04:34):
More crucially, it seems probably the killer has
access to the time.
Reporter 2 (04:39):
I trusted Alex down like a dictator for hundreds of
years with a heartbit.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (04:46):
I was still in shade.
Taylor Branigan (04:59):
After the initial report hit, someone
posted it on Twitter, and that'swhen the vulture started to
descend.
Charlie Incarica (05:05):
That's Taylor Branigan.
She was Shady Grove's deputysheriff in 2020.
Taylor Branigan (05:09):
A whole flock of reporters and TV crews
started just swarming into town.
Operator (05:28):
911, what's your emergency?
Hi, 911.
Yes, what's your emergency?
I um I want to report anemergency, I guess.
Reporter 1 (05:34):
Yes, medical emergency, please, ma'am.
Operator (05:36):
I think some people are dead.
Reporter 1 (05:38):
Okay, why do you think that?
Operator (05:41):
I mean, there's a whole lot of blood and not on
the ground and haven't moved atall, and I've been watching them
for like five minutes.
That seems like plastic stuffthat people do.
It's pretty gross, to behonest.
Watch them for five minutes.
Um, how many bodies?
Um, three.
It's the um place one catty ofthe lady and T girls.
(06:16):
Okay, we're sending someone toyou right now.
I think someone just moved.
Okay, then I need you to go andI move.
No, sorry.
Reporter 1 (06:29):
Can you get inside the house, ma'am?
Yeah, I need you to go insideand see if anyone's breathing.
Operator (06:35):
Um, yeah, I'm good.
What the f ma'am, what do youmean you're good?
Ma'am, you need to go and checkthis.
Super fucking fucked up lookingin there.
I'm 4 a.m.
Reporter 1 (06:46):
Look, the police and EMPs are racing to you right
now, and I just need to show.
Operator (06:50):
I mean, they'll still be dead whenever they show.
Charlie Incarica (06:55):
Self-described dog walker, spiritual seeker,
and full-time social justicewarrior, Lisa McKenzie, 24, had
been walking Putnam's dogs foronly a few weeks when she
happened upon that grisly site.
She spoke with me on thecondition of what she termed
non-anonymity, which basicallymeans I agreed to promote her
(07:15):
Etsy site, in which she sells arange of hoodies with slogans
promoting peace and or herTwilight fanfiction.
The link is in the show notes.
How well had you gotten to knowAmanda Putnam Hart in the time
you worked for her?
Elisa McKenzie (07:29):
In terms of like words?
Charlie Incarica (07:31):
Uh yeah, any way you'd like to measure it.
Elisa McKenzie (07:33):
Well, we spoke for a bit at the interview.
Charlie Incarica (07:36):
What were your first impressions of her?
Elisa McKenzie (07:38):
I was impressed by her single-mindedness when
she had an idea she wouldn'tquit until she got the answer
she needed.
And that was a way she inspiredme to be better too.
Charlie Incarica (07:47):
Could you give an example?
Elisa McKenzie (07:48):
In the case of the interview, she was like
super focused on if I knewanyone who could get her some
Molly on the regular.
And even though I didn't, Iknew a guy who I was pretty sure
might know a guy, and it turnsout he did.
And since she said if I couldhook her up, I could have the
job, it really lit a fire underme.
Charlie Incarica (08:04):
Wow.
Was there anything suspiciousor troubling that you noticed in
that house or from Amanda?
Elisa McKenzie (08:09):
Like what?
Charlie Incarica (08:10):
Did she seem worried or distracted?
Elisa McKenzie (08:12):
Well, sometimes, like when she didn't have any
Molly on her.
Charlie Incarica (08:16):
Right.
Any other times?
Elisa McKenzie (08:17):
Well, we didn't talk a super lot.
She and Chip and Michelle had alot of sex when I was there,
which was also inspiring.
Charlie Incarica (08:24):
How so?
Elisa McKenzie (08:25):
Just the fact that they hadn't gotten into
that normal rut that Trump's canfall into.
Charlie Incarica (08:29):
Yeah.
Did she ever talk about herex-husband?
Elisa McKenzie (08:32):
Not that I remember.
Although he talked about her alot.
Charlie Incarica (08:35):
You spoke to William Hart?
Elisa McKenzie (08:37):
Yeah, he was sitting in his car down the
street from her house every day.
I walked right by him when Iwalked the dogs.
So it would have been rude if Ihadn't.
Charlie Incarica (08:44):
Well, what did you do talk about?
Elisa McKenzie (08:45):
Just general stuff, like the dogs, or like
why I think college is justconformist bullshit.
Or like what times I thoughtAmanda and Chip and Michelle
were most likely to be homealone to chat, you know.
Charlie Incarica (08:56):
Did you tell the police about this?
It didn't really come up.
But don't you think it's kindof really?
Elisa McKenzie (09:01):
I just wanted to get the hell out of their ASAP.
I had a crop load of Molly inliterally every pocket.
Charlie Incarica (09:06):
Did the police ask you?
Elisa McKenzie (09:07):
Okay, not to be rude, but I've got a thing in a
few, and you didn't ask any ofthe questions we agreed to.
Charlie Incarica (09:13):
Oh, right.
Sorry.
Okay.
So what if Bella didn't have tochoose between Edward and Jacob
and convince them to put asidetheir ancient blood rivalries to
become the all-time greatestand hottest thruple?
How would she be able to keeptheir passions from spilling
over into tragedy?
Elisa McKenzie (09:32):
For the answer to that burning question and
more, check out www.alisambellafanfic.com.
Okay, awesome sauce.
Charlie Incarica (09:45):
But was it?
Was it truly awesome sauce thatthe police failed to interview
Elisa McKenzie more in depth?
I had my doubts.
The coroner determined thecause of death for all three was
multiple stab wounds.
Yet the initial press briefingafter the coroner's report, held
by Chief Tommy Ebner, withDeputy Sheriff Taylor Branigan
(10:06):
on hand, didn't exactly instillconfidence in the police
department.
Chief Ebner (10:10):
Chief Ebner, do you have any theories at this
point?
I think you'll find we'reprofessionals, and theories are,
of course, a vital and uhprofessional part of resolving
any crime, uh, professionally,whether they be professional or
amateur crimes.
Um, you need theories, um, orat least one theory, uh, to
solve it in a professional andtheoretical way.
(10:32):
You might say that's that's mynumber one theory.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Hmm.
Chief Ebner (10:39):
Anywho, so yeah, um, theories gotta have them.
I believe that.
Unless the killer turnsthemselves in, which can happen.
But in my judgment, we'd befoolish to rely entirely on
that.
Although obviously that uh thatwould be cool.
Taylor Branigan (10:56):
The fact that the murderer used a knife
suggests this was very personalfor the murderer, and that he or
she was able to stab all threeto death, suggests that the
victims didn't suspect anymalicious intent.
Chief Ebner (11:06):
Exactly.
The malice of the uh maliciouswas they did not see it coming.
Taylor Branigan (11:12):
But then you never do, do you?
So all of this suggests thekiller had their trust and
access to their home.
Chief Ebner (11:18):
And more crucially, it seems probable that the
killer had access to a knife.
So we're currently pursuingleads for people who match that
description.
I'm sorry, folks, that's uhthat's all we got for today.
Show's over.
Okay?
Thanks so much.
All right, you take care ofyourselves now.
Charlie Incarica (11:36):
Tommy Ebner, Shady Grove's chief of police,
is someone whose actions andbehavior have been repeatedly
called into question.
Ebner had been Shady Grove'schief of police for 25 years in
March of 2020, after spending 15years in the private sector as
head of security for Shady GrovePudding, now legally known as
SGP Holdings, Inc., theinternational conglomerate that
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makes its headquarters in ShadyGrove.
Ebner was a body man for SGP'spresident at the time, Robert
Putnam.
I was able to obtain some ofhis performance reviews by
convincing the head of their HRdepartment that the Freedom of
Information Act applies toprivate businesses.
Ebner's reviews were less thansterling, to put it mildly.
Assessments such asslow-witted, sloppy, shockingly
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unknowledgeable, andsurprisingly easy to distract
appear more than once, and thatwas just the S section.
The only positives any reviewmentioned were his eagerness to
please, and his Oh no, that'sall it says.
My bad.
Reporter 2 (12:36):
Tommy was eager to please Robbie.
And for Robbie, someone suckingup to him was the quality he
admired most in people.
Charlie Incarica (12:42):
Guy Van Velzer worked for nearly forty years
for the company.
Reporter 2 (12:46):
He was loyal.
The Putnam's prized that,especially when Erica started
trying to put the squeeze onthem.
Charlie Incarica (12:52):
He's talking about Erica Hobbes, whose name
you'll be hearing a lot in laterepisodes.
But for now, I figurementioning her here is a pretty
cool tease.
I didn't even ask Guy to do it.
It just happened naturally,which was pretty sweet.
Reporter 2 (13:05):
But Robbie wanted him to be police chief.
The Putnams have ruled thistown like dictators for a
hundred years.
But the Hart family could be athorn in the Putnam side.
Had been for fifty years.
So Tommy would make anycomplaints against the Putnams
suddenly disappear.
Just pure corruption.
Mostly.
Some of it was probably justincompetence.
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And to be fair, he was alreadydealing with the whole Australia
thing that weekend.
Charlie Incarica (13:32):
Shady Grove had recently reached an
agreement with a small farm townof Majambler Coon in Australia
to become sister cities, whichis, I guess, a thing.
A lot of places do it, althoughI couldn't find out why.
Anyway, it's unclear how thishappened, but when they filed
the necessary paperwork theyneeded to make it, like,
official, someone misread adigit, and before anyone could
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stop it, Shady Grove, with apopulation just under 6,000,
became the official sister cityof Sydney, Australia, one of the
more famous cities in theworld, with a population over 5
million.
I won't lie, that was a big gapfor us.
Shady Grove's mayor, CarlLyons.
Did representatives from Sydneyreach out and say there'd been
some sort of mistake?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh, constantly.
But then people in town startedto do like tweets and stuff, or
Facebook to Hashgram, and soSydney started to look like a
bunch of dicks.
Can I say dicks?
It's fine.
We can just bleep it out.
Yeah, too.
I like it.
I sound gritty and relatable.
Charlie Incarica (14:33):
Uh well that maybe uh maybe.
Uh so what happened next?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, they backed off.
In fact, they sent one of theirI don't know, like one of their
princesses or something.
Charlie Incarica (14:45):
Uh Australia doesn't have princesses.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, apparently nobody told her.
Charlie Incarica (14:50):
Margaret Mandragora Jones wasn't a
princess, but one of Australia'smost powerful barristers, that
means lawyer, according to myfriend Danielle, who did a
semester abroad there, and onehalf of Australia's political it
couple with her partner, AlecSt.
George Gibbon.
Glamorous, young, andbrilliant, they were about to
move from their native Sydney toCanberra as Alec began his new
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position in the Prime Minister'scabinet.
It was all but a given that oneor both would one day be Prime
Minister.
She agreed to an interview viaZoom.
So, why was someone as wellknown as you chosen to represent
Sydney in a small town halfwayacross the world?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (15:30):
My partner at the time talked me
into thinking it'd be a terrificopportunity to change a
persistent image problem ofmine.
Which was what coming off as avicious cunt.
Of course, that meant I'd haveto stop being a vicious cunt
while I was in this festeringfucking toothache of a town.
And I like being a bit of acunt.
It's an enormous time saverwhen dealing with people I don't
like, which turned out to beevery benighted soul I had the
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misfortune of interacting within Shady Grove.
Is it true that Americans arereally uncomfortable with the
word cunt?
Charlie Incarica (16:00):
Um as a rule, yeah, pretty much.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (16:02):
I don't understand you, cunts.
Still, I had a job to do.
An asinine degrading job, ofcourse, but still, you know, one
puts on a smile and one makesan effort.
Because I trusted Alec'spolitical instincts.
Only later did I realize hesent me there so he could fuck
his way through the southernhemisphere.
Anyway, I think I did it well.
(16:22):
I mean, at first, I swiftlyceased giving a toss.
Charlie Incarica (16:26):
I understand you met Amanda Putnam Hart at
the town's welcome banquet onthat Saturday night.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (16:32):
Yeah, it's rather a funny story,
actually.
Because of the slight languagedifferences between our two
countries.
I was expecting a banquet to bean elegant dinner with some
speakers giving brief speechesabout the honoree.
But of course, in your country,it apparently means sitting on
chairs you'd used forwaterboarding, a musical
performance from the local highschool, which was the sort of
shit telethons would reject,topped off by a chicken dinner
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dryer than a fucking accountingtextbook.
Charlie Incarica (16:58):
But you did meet Amanda there, no?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (17:00):
I did, actually.
It was one of the fewhighlights.
Oh, sweet Christ, absolutelynothing.
She was about as charming as arace riot.
However, she also had a housewith three jacuzzies and a bar
so amply stocked with top shelfliquors, I dare anyone to look
at it and not feel arousal.
However, she also, unbeknownstto me, snuck a potent drug in my
drink.
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And the next thing I knew, myassistant was discreetly
bringing me back to my hotelafter I tried to make love with
a combine harvester.
Charlie Incarica (17:35):
And you went back even after she drugged you?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (17:38):
Well, I had time to kill.
She also said she wanted me tomeet her brother Teddy, whom I
was informed was a major player,which in this town I assumed
meant he was the day manager atsome sort of sorted burger
takeaway.
Charlie Incarica (17:52):
This is one of the moments in the
investigation which ismaddeningly unclear.
Teddy and Margaret hit it off,according to the journal kept by
Chip Bing, one of the twolovers Amanda had taken after
her recent separation fromWilliam Hart, to whom she was
still legally married.
But Bing's reference to them isonly a sentence long, with the
rest of that evening's entrydedicated in equal parts to
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misquoting Taylor Swift lyricsand writing his name out in
different styles.
Bing, it turns out, was ameticulous journal keeper, a
lucky break for the police.
Or it would have been, if 95%of his entries weren't furious
rants about how TV's TheBachelor had gone downhill, and
outlining various strategiesabout how to get the cast of
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impractical jokers to show upone day at his mother's funeral.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (18:38):
I only have the dimmest
recollection of that eveningbecause fucking Amanda spiked
our drinks again.
Things only started clearing uparound dawn after I realized I
had successfully made love to aCombine Harvester.
Charlie Incarica (18:49):
But you and Teddy continued to meet.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (18:57):
On the other hand, she's a useless
twat, so yes, Teddy and I met afew more times during the next
week or so.
But back then nothing happenedof interest.
Literally.
Listening to him was likelistening to anesthesia talk.
Thick as a fucking glacier witha thyroid condition.
Clearly, Amanda was running theshow over at SGP.
Charlie Incarica (19:16):
Okay.
So tell me about March 9th.
Margaret Mandragora-Jone (19:19):
Right, well, I was getting ready to
depart when my assistant told meabout the murder at Amanda's
house, which was a shock.
But also it was America.
So to be frank, I was surprisedthis was the first time people
had been murdered in town thatweekend.
I was all set to leave when myassistant came into my room.
Charlie Incarica (19:35):
The following is the exchange as secretly
recorded by Margaret'sassistant, who had been
gathering material to write abook about her boss, eventually
titled The Young Woman and theC-Word.
Margaret's Assistant (19:46):
Margaret?
Margaret?
Maggie?
What did you just call me?
I was trying to game.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (19:52):
What have I told you about nicknames?
Margaret's Assistant (19:54):
They're strictly for colourful gangsters
and or erogenous zones.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (19:57):
And do I, apart from my breasts Lady
Die and Dr.
Oliver P.
Breckenridge OBE respectively,fall under either of those
categories?
Margaret's Assistant (20:05):
No, ma'am.
But the police are here to seeyou.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:07):
Dear Lord Michelle, that's a dreadful
nickname for your breasts.
Margaret's Assistant (20:10):
No, I mean the actual police.
They're waiting outside.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:13):
Oh, Christ, this town.
Don't they have anything elseto do?
Like voting against their owninterests or grooming sheep?
And to clarify, I do meangrooming in a sexual sense.
Bring those fucking didgerydouja pat.
Margaret's Assistant (20:25):
We ran out.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:26):
Thank fuck almighty.
They're disrespectful toAboriginal peoples, and worse,
cumbersome as fuck.
Margaret's Assistant (20:31):
I'm the one who carries them.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:32):
And you stand next to me, don't you?
Charlie Incarica (20:35):
Margaret was about to hear news she was not
prepared for.
The following section is editedfrom two separate interviews I
had with Branagin and MandragoraJones.
I've edited them together in away that should sound
conversational, and hopefullyget me nominated for a True
Crime Podcast Editing Award,assuming there is such a thing.
And I think it's a safe betthere is.
Taylor Branigan (20:56):
Tommy told her he considered her a person of
interest.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:00):
Which of course I thought, well,
obviously.
So I thanked him for thecompliment and asked if he
wanted a selfie with me.
Taylor Branigan (21:06):
He panicked and said yes, but then I stepped in
to explain what a person ofinterest means in that context,
and because we considered her apotential suspect, she couldn't
leave town.
Charlie Incarica (21:15):
Oh, how how did she react?
Taylor Branigan (21:17):
She tried to be stoic, but I could tell she
wasn't very happy.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:20):
I smashed a glass lamp and
threatened to swallow the shardsif they made me stay one more
minute in that fettered patch ofhopelessness they called home.
That's when Michelle calmed medown, brought me back to my
room, and told me I should havea lie down while she rang the
Australian Embassy immediately.
That was the last time I eversaw Michelle.
Until she turned up in the newsthe next month as my partner's
new girlfriend.
You know exactly where I bloodywas.
Charlie Incarica (21:44):
I know, but if you say it, I think it'd be a
cool soundbite.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:47):
Oh, it would.
Yeah, fair play to you.
I was still in shady fuckinggrove.
Charlie Incarica (21:56):
That's right.
Because they kept her in townthose extra days.
By the time they let her leave,the country and the world had
gone into the pandemic lockdown.
Now I'm talking again withTaylor through the miracle of
editing and talking.
Taylor Branigan (22:11):
I didn't think that she was a person of
interest.
The problem was that when ChiefEbner Googled Australia in
preparation for Miss MandragaraJones's arrival, he.
Charlie Incarica (22:21):
This is a clip from an interview Chief Ebner
gave to a local TV station whenhe interrupted the initial
interview the reporter wastaping with a 15-year-old girl
who created an organization forlocal teens to run errands for
senior citizens.
So when did you get the idea tocreate this group with your
friends?
Taylor Branigan (22:38):
Um, well, my gram's been unable to drive for
a few years now, and um I uh I'mgonna let y'all finish.
Chief Ebner (22:45):
Um, but I just wanted to explain my thinking.
Um uh got their uh suspectinterview uh I committed
yesterday.
Um, so okay.
Uh Australia, it seems, uh,began as a penal colony, which
uh I got a big chuckle out ofuntil um uh Deputy Chair
Branagan told me the word penaldidn't mean what it turns out
penal actually means a a jail orsomething.
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Uh and sure, that was a whileago, but uh some Australian
comes waltzing into town andsuddenly three people are
murdered?
Heck of a cowinky ding, no?
Anyway, um uh back to whateveryou two were join about.
unknown (23:20):
Bye.
Taylor Branigan (23:20):
It didn't make any sense.
But ironically, it turns out itwasn't a bad thing to keep her
around.
I mean, in terms of the case,not for the people around her.
She's she's an awful person.
Charlie Incarica (23:32):
Murder.
A town controlled by a corruptindustrialist, foreign intrigue,
thruples, and a bitter familyrivalry, which I've only hinted
at so far because that's how youbuild a narrative suspense.
Anyway, a bitter family rivalrythat threatened to tear the
town apart.
Could justice even exist inplaces like Shady Grove?
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Clearly, I needed to drill downinto the shadowy history that
cast a vast shadow over thiscommunity.
A town whose darkest secretslay hidden deep in the shadows.
In episode two, we'll explorethe history of Shady Grove in
order to understand its present.
Well, this this was three yearsago, actually, so we'll explore
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Shady Grove's past tounderstand its recent past.
That's next time on the Murderer Killings.
Oh, is it still is still isstill rec hello, hello, I just
(24:51):
oh damn it.
Monday, March 9th, 2020, was a day that seemed
just like any other in thehistory of Shady Grove.
So why was this day differentfrom all others to borrow from
the Haggadah?
Because at 9:26 a.m., the headof Shady Grove's most
influential family, the Putnams,was found murdered in her large
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gated home.
Reporter 1 (00:22):
Violence rocked the tight-knit community of Shady
Grove today when one of its mostprominent citizens and two of
its less important ones werefound brutally murdered in the
home of Amanda Putnam.
Putting heiress.
Amanda Putnam Hart.
Reporter 2 (00:37):
And her other partner, Michelle Quincy, were
stabbed.
Reporter 1 (00:41):
134 acres.
Putnam Hart is the greatgranddaughter of renowned
pudding pioneer Edward Putnam,who in the early 1900s in
America the town's communitystated that Dutch was a good
thing.
Charlie Incarica (01:01):
In fact, foul play was very much ruled in as
the cause of these deaths.
But the more I read up on thiscase, the harder it became to
make sense of it.
Especially as Shady Grove'snewspaper, the Shady Grove
Examiner Picky Yoon, does thatannoying thing where after, like
the third paragraph, they makeyou subscribe to read the rest
of it.
It's strange.
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The murders took place onlythree years ago and caused a
sensation at the time.
But less than a week after ithappened, the pandemic lockdown
began, and almost every newsstory from then on centered on
that.
Running a true crime fan site,I often get letters from fans of
true crime.
But this one was different.
(01:43):
It was from a man named GregPutnam.
And he asked if I would callhim.
I said I don't I don't usuallycall people, but would he agree
to a video chat?
Hello.
Is this Hi Greg?
Can you hear me?
CP (02:00):
I can hear can I can't see you.
Charlie Incarica (02:02):
Nope.
You um I can see you just fineand I can hear you.
But I can't see you in me.
CP (02:06):
I've never done that.
I can hear you either.
Okay.
Charlie Incarica (02:08):
Okay, can you hear me?
But I don't know.
CP (02:10):
Yeah, I can hear you.
I don't know how new this is.
Charlie Incarica (02:12):
Uh well, if you just um where's your screen?
CP (02:17):
Screen.
My my what?
Charlie Incarica (02:18):
Are you at a you're at a computer, yeah?
Yeah.
So there's a a screen right infront of you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CP (02:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And a camera.
Yeah.
Yep, the camera's right there.
I got it.
unknown (02:30):
Okay.
Charlie Incarica (02:30):
And we can uh have a conversation.
Okay.
So why don't you tell me alittle bit uh about why you got
in touch with me?
Greg went on to describe in notnot great detail what he
believed was a brutal murder.
CP (02:45):
Um something came up about true crack on your name.
(03:22):
Just trying to fill the Sunday.
Charlie Incarica (03:25):
All right, well, you have a nice day.
CP (03:27):
All right, bye-bye.
Charlie Incarica (03:30):
Just when I thought I had my first lead, I
realized the case hadn't evenstarted.
I I didn't even know if I had acase.
This violent, tragic, and froma true crime podcast standpoint,
kick-ass triple murder seemedforever doomed to fall through
the cracks of history.
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But after being tantalized bywhat I'd read, and then
remembering the flight voucher Ireceived after getting
Salmonella from airlinepretzels, I decided fate was
calling me to stick my nose intohistory's crack, to unravel the
mystery of what the townspeoplecalled the Murderer Killings.
(04:11):
I'm Charles and Karika, andthis is the murderer killings.
Chief Ebner (04:34):
More crucially, it seems probably the killer has
access to the time.
Reporter 2 (04:39):
I trusted Alex down like a dictator for hundreds of
years with a heartbit.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (04:46):
I was still in shade.
Taylor Branigan (04:59):
After the initial report hit, someone
posted it on Twitter, and that'swhen the vulture started to
descend.
Charlie Incarica (05:05):
That's Taylor Branigan.
She was Shady Grove's deputysheriff in 2020.
Taylor Branigan (05:09):
A whole flock of reporters and TV crews
started just swarming into town.
Operator (05:28):
911, what's your emergency?
Hi, 911.
Yes, what's your emergency?
I um I want to report anemergency, I guess.
Reporter 1 (05:34):
Yes, medical emergency, please, ma'am.
Operator (05:36):
I think some people are dead.
Reporter 1 (05:38):
Okay, why do you think that?
Operator (05:41):
I mean, there's a whole lot of blood and not on
the ground and haven't moved atall, and I've been watching them
for like five minutes.
That seems like plastic stuffthat people do.
It's pretty gross, to behonest.
Watch them for five minutes.
Um, how many bodies?
Um, three.
It's the um place one catty ofthe lady and T girls.
(06:16):
Okay, we're sending someone toyou right now.
I think someone just moved.
Okay, then I need you to go andI move.
No, sorry.
Reporter 1 (06:29):
Can you get inside the house, ma'am?
Yeah, I need you to go insideand see if anyone's breathing.
Operator (06:35):
Um, yeah, I'm good.
What the f ma'am, what do youmean you're good?
Ma'am, you need to go and checkthis.
Super fucking fucked up lookingin there.
I'm 4 a.m.
Reporter 1 (06:46):
Look, the police and EMPs are racing to you right
now, and I just need to show.
Operator (06:50):
I mean, they'll still be dead whenever they show.
Charlie Incarica (06:55):
Self-described dog walker, spiritual seeker,
and full-time social justicewarrior, Lisa McKenzie, 24, had
been walking Putnam's dogs foronly a few weeks when she
happened upon that grisly site.
She spoke with me on thecondition of what she termed
non-anonymity, which basicallymeans I agreed to promote her
(07:15):
Etsy site, in which she sells arange of hoodies with slogans
promoting peace and or herTwilight fanfiction.
The link is in the show notes.
How well had you gotten to knowAmanda Putnam Hart in the time
you worked for her?
Elisa McKenzie (07:29):
In terms of like words?
Charlie Incarica (07:31):
Uh yeah, any way you'd like to measure it.
Elisa McKenzie (07:33):
Well, we spoke for a bit at the interview.
Charlie Incarica (07:36):
What were your first impressions of her?
Elisa McKenzie (07:38):
I was impressed by her single-mindedness when
she had an idea she wouldn'tquit until she got the answer
she needed.
And that was a way she inspiredme to be better too.
Charlie Incarica (07:47):
Could you give an example?
Elisa McKenzie (07:48):
In the case of the interview, she was like
super focused on if I knewanyone who could get her some
Molly on the regular.
And even though I didn't, Iknew a guy who I was pretty sure
might know a guy, and it turnsout he did.
And since she said if I couldhook her up, I could have the
job, it really lit a fire underme.
Charlie Incarica (08:04):
Wow.
Was there anything suspiciousor troubling that you noticed in
that house or from Amanda?
Elisa McKenzie (08:09):
Like what?
Charlie Incarica (08:10):
Did she seem worried or distracted?
Elisa McKenzie (08:12):
Well, sometimes, like when she didn't have any
Molly on her.
Charlie Incarica (08:16):
Right.
Any other times?
Elisa McKenzie (08:17):
Well, we didn't talk a super lot.
She and Chip and Michelle had alot of sex when I was there,
which was also inspiring.
Charlie Incarica (08:24):
How so?
Elisa McKenzie (08:25):
Just the fact that they hadn't gotten into
that normal rut that Trump's canfall into.
Charlie Incarica (08:29):
Yeah.
Did she ever talk about herex-husband?
Elisa McKenzie (08:32):
Not that I remember.
Although he talked about her alot.
Charlie Incarica (08:35):
You spoke to William Hart?
Elisa McKenzie (08:37):
Yeah, he was sitting in his car down the
street from her house every day.
I walked right by him when Iwalked the dogs.
So it would have been rude if Ihadn't.
Charlie Incarica (08:44):
Well, what did you do talk about?
Elisa McKenzie (08:45):
Just general stuff, like the dogs, or like
why I think college is justconformist bullshit.
Or like what times I thoughtAmanda and Chip and Michelle
were most likely to be homealone to chat, you know.
Charlie Incarica (08:56):
Did you tell the police about this?
It didn't really come up.
But don't you think it's kindof really?
Elisa McKenzie (09:01):
I just wanted to get the hell out of their ASAP.
I had a crop load of Molly inliterally every pocket.
Charlie Incarica (09:06):
Did the police ask you?
Elisa McKenzie (09:07):
Okay, not to be rude, but I've got a thing in a
few, and you didn't ask any ofthe questions we agreed to.
Charlie Incarica (09:13):
Oh, right.
Sorry.
Okay.
So what if Bella didn't have tochoose between Edward and Jacob
and convince them to put asidetheir ancient blood rivalries to
become the all-time greatestand hottest thruple?
How would she be able to keeptheir passions from spilling
over into tragedy?
Elisa McKenzie (09:32):
For the answer to that burning question and
more, check out www.alisambellafanfic.com.
Okay, awesome sauce.
Charlie Incarica (09:45):
But was it?
Was it truly awesome sauce thatthe police failed to interview
Elisa McKenzie more in depth?
I had my doubts.
The coroner determined thecause of death for all three was
multiple stab wounds.
Yet the initial press briefingafter the coroner's report, held
by Chief Tommy Ebner, withDeputy Sheriff Taylor Branigan
(10:06):
on hand, didn't exactly instillconfidence in the police
department.
Chief Ebner (10:10):
Chief Ebner, do you have any theories at this
point?
I think you'll find we'reprofessionals, and theories are,
of course, a vital and uhprofessional part of resolving
any crime, uh, professionally,whether they be professional or
amateur crimes.
Um, you need theories, um, orat least one theory, uh, to
solve it in a professional andtheoretical way.
(10:32):
You might say that's that's mynumber one theory.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Hmm.
Chief Ebner (10:39):
Anywho, so yeah, um, theories gotta have them.
I believe that.
Unless the killer turnsthemselves in, which can happen.
But in my judgment, we'd befoolish to rely entirely on
that.
Although obviously that uh thatwould be cool.
Taylor Branigan (10:56):
The fact that the murderer used a knife
suggests this was very personalfor the murderer, and that he or
she was able to stab all threeto death, suggests that the
victims didn't suspect anymalicious intent.
Chief Ebner (11:06):
Exactly.
The malice of the uh maliciouswas they did not see it coming.
Taylor Branigan (11:12):
But then you never do, do you?
So all of this suggests thekiller had their trust and
access to their home.
Chief Ebner (11:18):
And more crucially, it seems probable that the
killer had access to a knife.
So we're currently pursuingleads for people who match that
description.
I'm sorry, folks, that's uhthat's all we got for today.
Show's over.
Okay?
Thanks so much.
All right, you take care ofyourselves now.
Charlie Incarica (11:36):
Tommy Ebner, Shady Grove's chief of police,
is someone whose actions andbehavior have been repeatedly
called into question.
Ebner had been Shady Grove'schief of police for 25 years in
March of 2020, after spending 15years in the private sector as
head of security for Shady GrovePudding, now legally known as
SGP Holdings, Inc., theinternational conglomerate that
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makes its headquarters in ShadyGrove.
Ebner was a body man for SGP'spresident at the time, Robert
Putnam.
I was able to obtain some ofhis performance reviews by
convincing the head of their HRdepartment that the Freedom of
Information Act applies toprivate businesses.
Ebner's reviews were less thansterling, to put it mildly.
Assessments such asslow-witted, sloppy, shockingly
(12:22):
unknowledgeable, andsurprisingly easy to distract
appear more than once, and thatwas just the S section.
The only positives any reviewmentioned were his eagerness to
please, and his Oh no, that'sall it says.
My bad.
Reporter 2 (12:36):
Tommy was eager to please Robbie.
And for Robbie, someone suckingup to him was the quality he
admired most in people.
Charlie Incarica (12:42):
Guy Van Velzer worked for nearly forty years
for the company.
Reporter 2 (12:46):
He was loyal.
The Putnam's prized that,especially when Erica started
trying to put the squeeze onthem.
Charlie Incarica (12:52):
He's talking about Erica Hobbes, whose name
you'll be hearing a lot in laterepisodes.
But for now, I figurementioning her here is a pretty
cool tease.
I didn't even ask Guy to do it.
It just happened naturally,which was pretty sweet.
Reporter 2 (13:05):
But Robbie wanted him to be police chief.
The Putnams have ruled thistown like dictators for a
hundred years.
But the Hart family could be athorn in the Putnam side.
Had been for fifty years.
So Tommy would make anycomplaints against the Putnams
suddenly disappear.
Just pure corruption.
Mostly.
Some of it was probably justincompetence.
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And to be fair, he was alreadydealing with the whole Australia
thing that weekend.
Charlie Incarica (13:32):
Shady Grove had recently reached an
agreement with a small farm townof Majambler Coon in Australia
to become sister cities, whichis, I guess, a thing.
A lot of places do it, althoughI couldn't find out why.
Anyway, it's unclear how thishappened, but when they filed
the necessary paperwork theyneeded to make it, like,
official, someone misread adigit, and before anyone could
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stop it, Shady Grove, with apopulation just under 6,000,
became the official sister cityof Sydney, Australia, one of the
more famous cities in theworld, with a population over 5
million.
I won't lie, that was a big gapfor us.
Shady Grove's mayor, CarlLyons.
Did representatives from Sydneyreach out and say there'd been
some sort of mistake?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh, constantly.
But then people in town startedto do like tweets and stuff, or
Facebook to Hashgram, and soSydney started to look like a
bunch of dicks.
Can I say dicks?
It's fine.
We can just bleep it out.
Yeah, too.
I like it.
I sound gritty and relatable.
Charlie Incarica (14:33):
Uh well that maybe uh maybe.
Uh so what happened next?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, they backed off.
In fact, they sent one of theirI don't know, like one of their
princesses or something.
Charlie Incarica (14:45):
Uh Australia doesn't have princesses.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, apparently nobody told her.
Charlie Incarica (14:50):
Margaret Mandragora Jones wasn't a
princess, but one of Australia'smost powerful barristers, that
means lawyer, according to myfriend Danielle, who did a
semester abroad there, and onehalf of Australia's political it
couple with her partner, AlecSt.
George Gibbon.
Glamorous, young, andbrilliant, they were about to
move from their native Sydney toCanberra as Alec began his new
(15:14):
position in the Prime Minister'scabinet.
It was all but a given that oneor both would one day be Prime
Minister.
She agreed to an interview viaZoom.
So, why was someone as wellknown as you chosen to represent
Sydney in a small town halfwayacross the world?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (15:30):
My partner at the time talked me
into thinking it'd be a terrificopportunity to change a
persistent image problem ofmine.
Which was what coming off as avicious cunt.
Of course, that meant I'd haveto stop being a vicious cunt
while I was in this festeringfucking toothache of a town.
And I like being a bit of acunt.
It's an enormous time saverwhen dealing with people I don't
like, which turned out to beevery benighted soul I had the
(15:53):
misfortune of interacting within Shady Grove.
Is it true that Americans arereally uncomfortable with the
word cunt?
Charlie Incarica (16:00):
Um as a rule, yeah, pretty much.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (16:02):
I don't understand you, cunts.
Still, I had a job to do.
An asinine degrading job, ofcourse, but still, you know, one
puts on a smile and one makesan effort.
Because I trusted Alec'spolitical instincts.
Only later did I realize hesent me there so he could fuck
his way through the southernhemisphere.
Anyway, I think I did it well.
(16:22):
I mean, at first, I swiftlyceased giving a toss.
Charlie Incarica (16:26):
I understand you met Amanda Putnam Hart at
the town's welcome banquet onthat Saturday night.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (16:32):
Yeah, it's rather a funny story,
actually.
Because of the slight languagedifferences between our two
countries.
I was expecting a banquet to bean elegant dinner with some
speakers giving brief speechesabout the honoree.
But of course, in your country,it apparently means sitting on
chairs you'd used forwaterboarding, a musical
performance from the local highschool, which was the sort of
shit telethons would reject,topped off by a chicken dinner
(16:55):
dryer than a fucking accountingtextbook.
Charlie Incarica (16:58):
But you did meet Amanda there, no?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (17:00):
I did, actually.
It was one of the fewhighlights.
Oh, sweet Christ, absolutelynothing.
She was about as charming as arace riot.
However, she also had a housewith three jacuzzies and a bar
so amply stocked with top shelfliquors, I dare anyone to look
at it and not feel arousal.
However, she also, unbeknownstto me, snuck a potent drug in my
drink.
(17:20):
And the next thing I knew, myassistant was discreetly
bringing me back to my hotelafter I tried to make love with
a combine harvester.
Charlie Incarica (17:35):
And you went back even after she drugged you?
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (17:38):
Well, I had time to kill.
She also said she wanted me tomeet her brother Teddy, whom I
was informed was a major player,which in this town I assumed
meant he was the day manager atsome sort of sorted burger
takeaway.
Charlie Incarica (17:52):
This is one of the moments in the
investigation which ismaddeningly unclear.
Teddy and Margaret hit it off,according to the journal kept by
Chip Bing, one of the twolovers Amanda had taken after
her recent separation fromWilliam Hart, to whom she was
still legally married.
But Bing's reference to them isonly a sentence long, with the
rest of that evening's entrydedicated in equal parts to
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misquoting Taylor Swift lyricsand writing his name out in
different styles.
Bing, it turns out, was ameticulous journal keeper, a
lucky break for the police.
Or it would have been, if 95%of his entries weren't furious
rants about how TV's TheBachelor had gone downhill, and
outlining various strategiesabout how to get the cast of
(18:34):
impractical jokers to show upone day at his mother's funeral.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (18:38):
I only have the dimmest
recollection of that eveningbecause fucking Amanda spiked
our drinks again.
Things only started clearing uparound dawn after I realized I
had successfully made love to aCombine Harvester.
Charlie Incarica (18:49):
But you and Teddy continued to meet.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (18:57):
On the other hand, she's a useless
twat, so yes, Teddy and I met afew more times during the next
week or so.
But back then nothing happenedof interest.
Literally.
Listening to him was likelistening to anesthesia talk.
Thick as a fucking glacier witha thyroid condition.
Clearly, Amanda was running theshow over at SGP.
Charlie Incarica (19:16):
Okay.
So tell me about March 9th.
Margaret Mandragora-Jone (19:19):
Right, well, I was getting ready to
depart when my assistant told meabout the murder at Amanda's
house, which was a shock.
But also it was America.
So to be frank, I was surprisedthis was the first time people
had been murdered in town thatweekend.
I was all set to leave when myassistant came into my room.
Charlie Incarica (19:35):
The following is the exchange as secretly
recorded by Margaret'sassistant, who had been
gathering material to write abook about her boss, eventually
titled The Young Woman and theC-Word.
Margaret's Assistant (19:46):
Margaret?
Margaret?
Maggie?
What did you just call me?
I was trying to game.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (19:52):
What have I told you about nicknames?
Margaret's Assistant (19:54):
They're strictly for colourful gangsters
and or erogenous zones.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (19:57):
And do I, apart from my breasts Lady
Die and Dr.
Oliver P.
Breckenridge OBE respectively,fall under either of those
categories?
Margaret's Assistant (20:05):
No, ma'am.
But the police are here to seeyou.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:07):
Dear Lord Michelle, that's a dreadful
nickname for your breasts.
Margaret's Assistant (20:10):
No, I mean the actual police.
They're waiting outside.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:13):
Oh, Christ, this town.
Don't they have anything elseto do?
Like voting against their owninterests or grooming sheep?
And to clarify, I do meangrooming in a sexual sense.
Bring those fucking didgerydouja pat.
Margaret's Assistant (20:25):
We ran out.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:26):
Thank fuck almighty.
They're disrespectful toAboriginal peoples, and worse,
cumbersome as fuck.
Margaret's Assistant (20:31):
I'm the one who carries them.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (20:32):
And you stand next to me, don't you?
Charlie Incarica (20:35):
Margaret was about to hear news she was not
prepared for.
The following section is editedfrom two separate interviews I
had with Branagin and MandragoraJones.
I've edited them together in away that should sound
conversational, and hopefullyget me nominated for a True
Crime Podcast Editing Award,assuming there is such a thing.
And I think it's a safe betthere is.
Taylor Branigan (20:56):
Tommy told her he considered her a person of
interest.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:00):
Which of course I thought, well,
obviously.
So I thanked him for thecompliment and asked if he
wanted a selfie with me.
Taylor Branigan (21:06):
He panicked and said yes, but then I stepped in
to explain what a person ofinterest means in that context,
and because we considered her apotential suspect, she couldn't
leave town.
Charlie Incarica (21:15):
Oh, how how did she react?
Taylor Branigan (21:17):
She tried to be stoic, but I could tell she
wasn't very happy.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:20):
I smashed a glass lamp and
threatened to swallow the shardsif they made me stay one more
minute in that fettered patch ofhopelessness they called home.
That's when Michelle calmed medown, brought me back to my
room, and told me I should havea lie down while she rang the
Australian Embassy immediately.
That was the last time I eversaw Michelle.
Until she turned up in the newsthe next month as my partner's
new girlfriend.
You know exactly where I bloodywas.
Charlie Incarica (21:44):
I know, but if you say it, I think it'd be a
cool soundbite.
Margaret Mandragora-Jones (21:47):
Oh, it would.
Yeah, fair play to you.
I was still in shady fuckinggrove.
Charlie Incarica (21:56):
That's right.
Because they kept her in townthose extra days.
By the time they let her leave,the country and the world had
gone into the pandemic lockdown.
Now I'm talking again withTaylor through the miracle of
editing and talking.
Taylor Branigan (22:11):
I didn't think that she was a person of
interest.
The problem was that when ChiefEbner Googled Australia in
preparation for Miss MandragaraJones's arrival, he.
Charlie Incarica (22:21):
This is a clip from an interview Chief Ebner
gave to a local TV station whenhe interrupted the initial
interview the reporter wastaping with a 15-year-old girl
who created an organization forlocal teens to run errands for
senior citizens.
So when did you get the idea tocreate this group with your
friends?
Taylor Branigan (22:38):
Um, well, my gram's been unable to drive for
a few years now, and um I uh I'mgonna let y'all finish.
Chief Ebner (22:45):
Um, but I just wanted to explain my thinking.
Um uh got their uh suspectinterview uh I committed
yesterday.
Um, so okay.
Uh Australia, it seems, uh,began as a penal colony, which
uh I got a big chuckle out ofuntil um uh Deputy Chair
Branagan told me the word penaldidn't mean what it turns out
penal actually means a a jail orsomething.
(23:08):
Uh and sure, that was a whileago, but uh some Australian
comes waltzing into town andsuddenly three people are
murdered?
Heck of a cowinky ding, no?
Anyway, um uh back to whateveryou two were join about.
unknown (23:20):
Bye.
Taylor Branigan (23:20):
It didn't make any sense.
But ironically, it turns out itwasn't a bad thing to keep her
around.
I mean, in terms of the case,not for the people around her.
She's she's an awful person.
Charlie Incarica (23:32):
Murder.
A town controlled by a corruptindustrialist, foreign intrigue,
thruples, and a bitter familyrivalry, which I've only hinted
at so far because that's how youbuild a narrative suspense.
Anyway, a bitter family rivalrythat threatened to tear the
town apart.
Could justice even exist inplaces like Shady Grove?
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Clearly, I needed to drill downinto the shadowy history that
cast a vast shadow over thiscommunity.
A town whose darkest secretslay hidden deep in the shadows.
In episode two, we'll explorethe history of Shady Grove in
order to understand its present.
Well, this this was three yearsago, actually, so we'll explore
(24:16):
Shady Grove's past tounderstand its recent past.
That's next time on the Murderer Killings.
Oh, is it still is still isstill rec hello, hello, I just
(24:51):
oh damn it.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.