The "Beverly Hills Cop IV" Episode

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Join us on this special episode of the Murphy Monday Podcast as we dive into the magic and mayhem of Eddie Murphy’s latest film, "Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F." With comedian and pop culture enthusiast Mike Brown by our side, we dissect the fan service, action scenes, and whether this sequel is a genuine tribute or just another cash grab. Tune in to hear Mike’s animated comparisons to "Bad Boys 4" and his thoughts on the hilarious scene where Axel Foley seems immune to pepper spray.

But that's not all! We also uncover some of Eddie Murphy’s lesser-known ventures, like the bizarre flop "Best Defense" featuring Dudley Moore, and imagine a world where Murphy takes on roles in both "Beverly Hills Cop" and "Ghostbusters." We delve into the crossover potential with "Cobra" and how Murphy’s star power was nearly unmatched at the time. Our critique of the heavy-handed nostalgia and the refreshing dynamic between Axel Foley and his daughter offers a balanced view of the film, showcasing Murphy's growth and the evolution of his comedic genius.

Finally, we speculate on Eddie Murphy’s potential future roles and his ability to transition into more dramatic territory. From analyzing his comedic rhythm in classic scenes to envisioning him in a Marvel movie, we leave no stone unturned. This episode is packed with nostalgia, insights, and a celebration of Eddie Murphy’s lasting impact on Hollywood. Don’t miss out on our spirited discussion and the exciting announcement of an upcoming comedy special in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
who've come from the cloth, people who've come from
the cloth of eddie murphy who'vehad opinions okay gotcha a lot.
I think a lot of the uh, a lotof not the feedback, but I think
a lot of just one movie critics.
It will be people who are likepop culture people, but like
something, something like thisis feels more monumental you

(00:22):
know I mean like mean.
This is Eddie Murph.
This is Eddie outside again.
This is huge.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
He's talking to people again.
He's talking.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I mean, bro, he was doing comedy before hip hop was
a thing for real.
You understand what I'm sayingyeah.
We just celebrated 50 years ofhip-hop.
Man's is outside still doingmovies.
Who else would have run likethat?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
hey everybody, welcome to another episode of
the mur Monday podcast, the onlypodcast that celebrates the
life and career of Eddie Murphy.
I'm your host, nigel AFullerton.
This week we're going to talkabout Beverly Hills, cop 4.
Yeah, I got my good friend MikeBrown.
He's been on a podcast before.
He's one-fourth of theDecepticomics, has a web series

(01:22):
called Can't Stop, won't Stop,and he was a correspondent on
Full Frontal with Samantha Bee.
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yes, we've been waiting for a long, long time.
Good morning my neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, jesus Christ, jesus christ, this is becoming
very irritating hey everybody,welcome to another episode of
the murphy monday podcast, theonly podcast that celebrates the

(02:17):
life and career of eddie murphy.
I'm your host, nigel afullerton with me today.
Uh, this guy has been on thispodcast before.
He was on the episode of TowerHeist.
Ladies and gentlemen, pleasegive a round of applause for not
that Mike Brown, but this MikeBrown.
Everybody.
Give a round of applause forMike Brown, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, what's up, I'm back.
I'm back.
I'm back, nigel, thank you forhaving me.
Thank you for having me.
Shout out to the Murphy Mob iswhat I'm going to call him for
this episode.
Shout out to the Murphy Mobthat's what we do on the Murphy
Mondays.
You know what I mean.
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Nothing much, man.
We just had Beverly Hills CopAxel F come out.
We were talking about doingthis episode and we were like,
all right, let's do it two weeksafter the movie comes out, so
at least more people have seenit.
It's not like a spoiler typething, but what I want to do

(03:16):
with this episode is I want tobasically mix Beverly Hills Cop
the original with Beverly HillsCop Axl F, try to do like a
compare, contrast type thing,try to figure out what went
wrong, what went great, you knowwhatever.
Plus, let's get some of thesecritics.
Let's find out what the criticsare saying, what they're
talking about.

(03:37):
How did you feel about BeverlyHills cop Axl F?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Um, in my totally biased opinion, greatest movie
I've seen this year.
It's not hard, it's not hard,it's not hard.
Best movie I've seen all year.
Um, I, I think, when I think itkind of started slow for me and
it felt like a lot of fanservice in a way of just like,

(04:02):
hey, um, I think that they had avery uh, I think they had a a
hard thing on uh, pause thiswhole sentence.
They had a hard thing on theirhands where they had to kind of
basically make sure that theygave love to what came before it
.
But also, doing a movie like it, it felt like they cared,

(04:22):
because this could have justbeen a cash grab.
Like you're like, ok, we gotJay Brockheimer, we got Eddie
Murphy, and let's just make thisthing happen.
Of course, netflix is like,yeah, how much I need?
Just do it, we need originalcontent, this is IP, whatever.
But watching I was like, oh,they actually gave a damn.
The action scenes were good,the humor was good.

(04:43):
I was, you know, I was reallysurprised.
It felt like a movie I wouldhave seen in the theaters, like
I wouldn't have paid money tosee in the theaters.
I think if I did, it probablywould have been like um, and I
still didn't see this, but Ithink it would have been like,
uh, kind of like bad boys level,bad boys four level, where it's
like big explosions and thisand that and that and that and

(05:04):
that.
But I'm like, okay, they gaveme a little helicopter scene.
Okay, all right, they gave me alittle action.
Okay, they just shot up thehouse.
I respect.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I mean, there was helicopters, there were ice
plows, there were little policecart.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm with it.
Little golf carts.
I'm like, okay, y'all just makeit, y'all gonna make it make
sense, go ahead do it.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean, this movie really swung for the fences.
We even found out that EddieMurphy had like a sincere
immunity to pepper spray, whichwas wild.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It was like the.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Luke Cage, if you've ever been pepper sprayed, you
can't still drive a police carno way, I'm not doing nothing.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
You pepper sprayed me .
You might as well put me on asandwich.
I'm laying flat down it's overfor me.
It's over.
Man's got pepper sprayed.
It is like, like in the movie.
How's it supposed to be in themovie?
Uh, is he?
Is he like?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
50 in the movie he's no, no, he has to be in the 60s
there's no way.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
He's in his 50s.
There's no way there's no way.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
If you were a cop in 84, let's, let's, let's.
Let's point it out like thisright, so he's a detective in 84
, meaning that he was on theforce for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
We started at like 21 to 25.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Let's say he's 25.
Okay, he, even, though at thetime he was 22,.
But let's say he was 25.
Then you're going 40 more years, which would make him almost 70
.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
It's so wild.
It's like Eddie Murphy.
The man started SNL at 19,right.
Right At 19.
So even if you were saying like, okay, maybe he's 19 at this
point, let's say he was 19.
It's 40 something years.
Religion b is like 59 righttomorrow, like there's no way

(07:14):
there's no way and it is.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's wild and like I say this all the time with the
original beverly hills cop movieit was supposed to be for
sylvester sloan, so when he wentin they never changed the age
range, they never changedanything else.
So like you're going in as thisyoung guy and everybody's like
hey, remember high school, andlike high school's only a couple

(07:37):
years from him, but they'remaking it seem like he's so old.
If you go, go back and watch it.
That's what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Hey, remember high school, you mean July.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
When we graduated Great.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
What are you talking about?
I still have credits to make up.
It's fine it does, man.
Yeah, it's like it's reallyinteresting too.
I know we're gonna get intomore conversation, but like
having eddie murphy get the rolethat was supposed to be for

(08:13):
stallone and how different thatmovie would have been, and how
different uh, I guess howdifferent I think, the
trajectory, even though it stillwas fine.
but like ghostbusters is a movie, if any more than Ghostbusters,
where it's just like the levelof franchising the way it goes,
because it's like withGhostbusters you got a couple

(08:34):
and they're still doing them now, right, I think if Eddie Murphy
was in the first fewGhostbusters I think you would
get more.
They would just keep pumping it.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
There'll be a million ghostbusters right now.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, they would keep .
They would keep doing it and it.
It did be like a different time, like there's reverence but
there'd be like a different type.
And with uh beverly hills cop,if you had sebastian salone, I
don't think that you get uh alexfoley on netflix years later
the same way like we're not.
I mean, they did make otherrockies, but nobody, you

(09:05):
wouldn't get that, I think so.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
So two things.
Number one, uh, the idea forbeverly hills cop that they were
doing kind of ended up in cobra.
So everything that he wanted todo in beverly hills cop, it
would end up in cobra.
And we know there's no sequelsof cobra, no, is it?
That's that's one, I think.

(09:28):
The second point, uh and Ithink I lost my train of thought
on this one, but I think thesecond point was this movie in
84.
If we watch this in 84, thismovie comes out and eddie murphy
was in ghostbusters yeah, howcrazy would that be.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's, that's, that is.
Uh, yeah, I don't think thatthere's any.
I'm trying to think ofsomething that's like recent,
for, like the listeners at home,like recent, like how that's
happened, maybe, um, um, damnnothing, because this eddie
murphy star at that time was sobright.
You know what I mean.

(10:06):
The closest thing would beJonathan Majors, before the
fallout, probably.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I would think so.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Jonathan Majors before he was running New York
City blocks.
You know what I mean.
It's like, oh, he's in Creedand he's an Ant-Man and he's
about to be in all these movies.
It's like that level of starpower, he's about to kill
everything.
You know what I mean.
But also I mean this is why youhave a podcast for the man
Right, Because he's such a huge,huge figure.

(10:37):
He's done so much.
He's a legend in the game.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
So it's like, even though he didn't have those two
movies, even though he didn't doboth, he can do one and be like
yeah, I'll do a sequel to thiswhenever we feel like.
But you know what's evencrazier than that?
Like so, if you look at, he did48 hours trading places.
Right, there's a movie inbetween trading places and
bevels, cop, that nobody talksabout it.
It's called Best Defense.
You just you didn't know aboutit.

(11:11):
I'm going to send it to you.
I'm going to send it to youbecause I have it.
I have it.
So there's a movie called BestDefense that bombed in the box
office.
Of course it did.
It's 40 years later.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I'm like there was a movie that bombed in the box
office.
Of course it did.
It's 40 years later, I'm likethere was a movie.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So it was a movie with Dudley Moore.
Dudley Moore is the star ofthis movie.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, of course.
Oh, this shit bombed so hard,so what they did?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
was no disrespect.
Yeah, what they did was theytried to put Eddie Murphy in it.
So they sandwiched Eddie Murphyin the movie, because the movie
is terrible and it takes placein two different years One is in
84 and one is in 82.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
So you mean to tell me that Eddie was doing
multiversal shit beforeeverybody else?
Was on it, he was already doingit.
He started the Marvel Universe.
He gets all of that oh that'sgreat Different timelines
together.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
So but this is how bad the movie was.
So Dully Moore is the onethat's making a tank in 82.
Eddie Murphy is driving thetank in 84.
You're learning about all thecrazy stuff that happened while
they're for them to make thetank.
Eddie Murphy is like dealingwith all this stuff two years

(12:32):
later.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So so wait a minute.
So this plots out so dumb, sowait a minute, that's the movie,
that's what.
So in making up the movie didthey were like, hey, we're going
to make a minute, that's themovie.
So in making of the movie, theywere like, hey, we're going to
make a movie about this tank,right, and like building the
tank.
And then they were like, oh,this isn't good, let's write

(12:54):
more.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
And then let's just add Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Let's just add Eddie Murphy.
How are we?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
going to make it, he's driving the tank.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
We're going to make it, he's driving a tank.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You're going to make this make sense.
I got to send this movie to you.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You got to send me this movie.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh, this one.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
But Bevelio's cop is so great that everybody forgot
about Best Defense.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I mean, that's what you got to do.
You got to drop a banger.
But what's funny is I lookedfor the movie best defense for
like years, right.
So I looked for it, for I thinkI had a best of eddie on
saturday night live and I hesaid best defense.
Now that's a movie that suckedreal bad.
This is when he hosted for likethe first time after he left

(13:43):
the show and then he said I gotthis new thing called beverly
hills cop and everybody's likecheering and I'm like what, what
is best defense?
And I looked for it for yearsuntil, like, I found it like an
old video like video shop or vhswait.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
So you, you bought.
So you mean it's not streaminganywhere, it's not streaming
anywhere.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I have the DVD.
Actually I had it on tape andthen I bought the DVD for this
podcast because I knew I had totalk about it one day.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh man, that is really.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I still have it.
Yeah, I mean, this is.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
This is.
I'm looking on Amazon to see ifit exists and it's like maybe,
but there's no picture andthere's no mention of eddie
murphy.
It's like it is like the dirtysecret of the film industry.
It's the picture like if you.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's a trope that happens in hollywood where they
kept doing this eddie murphyright, so like in.
On the poster for it it'sDudley Moore in like a tank and
Dudley Moore is like the littleface there and Eddie Murphy's
big as like in a tank orsomething like that.
And it's weird because EddieMurphy's not the star of the

(14:59):
movie, but they put him but theymade him.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
But they made him Mm-hmm, yep, and they did the
same, but they put him.
But they're making him.
Made him, yup.
And.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I did the same thing for Holy man.
They did the same thing for uh,what's the other movie?
There's a couple of movies thatthey do that with the Eddie
Murphy is not the star of themovie, but they want you to
think that he's the star.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, that's so far.
I think that, yeah, and that'show it had to happen.
Back then they're just like hey, we're not gonna really.
We we have like a few leadingblack actors we could put in
these movies, and if we get onethat you know black community,
we gonna put this motherfuckeron posters.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So y'all come but what's even crazy?
What's even crazy the fact thatyou're saying that there were
no big black stars besides billyd williams?
yeah, and oj, maybe, oj, youknow, wow, what that's, that's
how far back that's what I'm,but that's what I'm saying like

(15:54):
there was no other big, likeaction stars like that were
african-american.
There were none there were.
They're like because we'releaving, think about it.
We're leaving the blackexploitation era.
We're getting into now the 80sand if you look at the landscape
, there weren't that many.
We don't have one now.
We don't really have one now,but at least it's not uncommon.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I mean, we got black actors, but it's like you got
like we've never really hadother than Michael Jai White.
We got black actors, but it'slike you got like we've never
really had other than MichaelJai White.
We've never had an action.
Maybe Will Smith.
Will Smith is our action guy.
Will Smith, yeah, will Smith.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
We got Will Smith.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Sam Jackson, maybe, okay, anybody in Marvel, but I
put that in a weird spot.
But we don't have the blackJason Statham.
You know what I mean Somebodywho's like I do action.
You know what I mean?
I just do action.
I'll mess around and do somecomedy, but I do action.

(16:57):
You want to fuck somebody up?
Call me and I think and here'smy conspiracy brain which is
probably the first time it'sgoing to come up on this podcast
.
It might come up a lot of othertimes Okay, they don't want us
to be on screen fighting andbeing super masculine just like
knocking people out.
You know what I mean.
I remember the Chuck Norrisjokes growing up.

(17:19):
I remember that type of stuff.
There's no black equivalent tothat.
And at that time, like the bestdefense time, if all you had
was billy d williams and eddieit's two very different things
because billy d williams willsteal your girl in front of you,
look at you in your eyes andsay you know she's coming with

(17:40):
me and for some reason you'relike all right have a good time
you just be okay with it.
With eddie murphy he would, uh,play one of his many characters
and just like laugh.
You know also eddie's great bro, because I'm like, because I'm
like he get his, he gets, hegets in his ability williams bag
and like boomerang, you knowwhat I mean he has.

(18:00):
He has those romantic comedieswhere he gets in those bags, but
then then he has the actioncomedies where he's shooting
them up and just being funny.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
But the only other action star this is how wild
this is the only other blackaction star in the 80s was Carl.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Weathers, and you know what?
Shout out to him.
He's one of the greats, he'sone of the ghosts.
He's one of the ghosts.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
He's one of the ghosts.
Yeah, shout out to him.
He's one of the greats.
He's one of the GOATs.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
He's one of the GOATs .
He's one of the GOATs.
He's one of the GOATs.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, that's probably the only other one that I can
think of off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I mean, you know, yeah, he's the yeah.
Rest in peace to Carl Weathers,man, definitely One of the
greats, one of the absolutegreats.
Forever, carl brother, shoutout.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Definitely, definitely.
So.
I mean the story of BeverlyHills Cop Axl F.
Axl Foley, played by EddieMurphy, has returned to Beverly
Hills after his daughter Janeand his old pal Billy Rosewood
live are threatened.
She and Axl team up with herex-boyfriend Bobby Abbott and
his old pal John tagger touncover a conspiracy.

(19:07):
Now that's the basis of thismovie.
Right and again, I like thismovie.
I really do, like I said it onthe um episode before, like I
really like this movie.
Uh, if I had to give like a, acritique, like you know maybe
what, what thing didn't work forme is the fact that they pushed
the nostalgia a little too muchfor me, a little too much like,

(19:34):
let me talk.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm never gonna meet this motherfucker, eddie Murphy.
They threw all the nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Come on man it was like it was desperate.
It was so desperate like itfelt like they didn't think the
movie was going to work, likethere's no way that you could
tell me that same car that wasshitty in 1984 is still around
in 2024 no way.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
There's no way that the car is still there.
It's even to think of as thesecops working for like 40 plus
years.
And yes, that does happen onthe force.
It does happen, it does.
But it's like if this person isa Sarge.
When we first see this right,they're already a Sarge and

(20:23):
you're working another 40 years.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Another 40 years.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You have already worked, however many years, to
get to sergeant, you are nottrying to like.
Cops do want to retire, theywant to serve, but they're like
all right, I'm out after this.
There's no reason for all ofthe same people being in there.
You know what I mean.
It was nice to see Bowkie, Idon't know.
I, yeah, surge, yeah, yeah,surge, it was it was great to

(20:48):
see him.
It was great to see him like I,I forgot about his character,
right.
Oh yeah, it was like.
It was like going through.
It was like going through, likeseeing your old buddies, like,
oh shit, what's up?
Man like yeah I was like, oh,that's cool, but, um, I do like
how I do like the, uh, the, thefather daughter thing that they

(21:09):
were trying to like push in themovie, and I did like I did too.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I I thought that was very.
It gave a different spin.
I like the fact that she wasn'tfast talking and wisecracking
like eddie was when he wasyounger.
I like the fact that she wasyou.
You know she played hercharacter Because, again, this
doesn't work unless it'sgrounded in some kind of
seriousness, right?
So you can't have everybodybeing funny Like you have to

(21:36):
have somebody be the seriousperson in this, and that's the
part that I liked about it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, it's like if you had the daughter play Black
Tiffany Haddish.
The movie's totally different.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Oh my God, that would be horrible, that would be so
bad.
Oh my God, when you think aboutit, you're like, oh, when you
look at you, it's like why?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, and respect to comics, respect, whatever, but
it would just be a differentmovie.
The thing that I realized whileI was watching it, because I
realized I saw the actress inZola.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, I saw Zola.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And she's also featured on Kendrick's latest
album on we Cry Together.
She's in the video and she didthat, and so I was.
It's like I was surprised tosee her, because I feel like she
kind of doesn't.
Her work doesn't come acrosslike my desk that much.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Right, you know what I?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
mean Like it's not things I'm watching, but she did
like such a good job and I feellike it's one we haven't seen,
like Eddie on screen, like thatwe don't see him on screen as
much that we don't see him onscreen as much, but like he
really, to me, made eddie stephis game up a little more too,

(22:50):
because she feels so based inreal, like right, the way that
she was, uh, portraying likebeing that, being that daughter
from an, from an estrangedfather, and having those like
issues are just like yo, youweren't around and like kind of
just permeating everything, like, oh, you met.
At the ex-boyfriend, it's like,yeah, she's not dating me
because I'm a cop and she's notdating me because I'm a cop,

(23:13):
because her father was a cop andall these things, right right.
And watching him step into theplay, I was like yo, this is my
only critique, yo, real shit.
My only critique is that thiswasn't a series.
I think they should have made itas a six-part series.
It wouldn't have worked.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And the only reason I say that is because of the
pilot.
Because of the pilot.
The reason why that show wascanceled was because Eddie
didn't want to do it.
The CBS show.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, the CBS show Mm-hmm, but was that the one
that was?
uh, uh like a few years ago,like like 2013, yeah, 2013, yeah
, um.
I I think that this is what I'msaying like if they, if jerry
brockheimer them, did it like anetflix limited series like that

(23:59):
, yeah, like this, like, insteadof putting it as a movie, it
would have arced it up like that, because, like that, that the
like one episode is them likefinding the house.
Another episode is the gettingarrested helicopter thing.
Another episode is, you know,like just those major action
moments.
I'm like you just split thestory and that action moment

(24:23):
into each of those.
Split the story and that actionmoment into each of those, and
I think you give more time foreddie to do some uh to, to do
some of the like, the kind of uh, uh character acting stuff that
he does and to really play into, because I I was really
interested in the backstory morethan anything, I think a lot of
people were, I think.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think I think they were like what happened?
Why was this like this, like itnever got resolved?
And I mean, I think that's alsoa thing with families, cause I
felt like she tapped into, likeprobably her dad wasn't around
and stuff like that.
So like but, like I said, maybethat's kind of what it was Like

(25:03):
.
It never gets resolved in reallife.
Why shouldn't be resolved inthe movie?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
yeah, and it's the thing like I don't even know if
it's like just the.
Yeah, like I wanted resolution,I wanted to see, uh, and it's
just me, like I wanted to seemore of like the moment where,
uh, she, she kisses, uh, shekisses the detective and I'm
forgetting guys, um, josephgordon levitt, yeah, yeah levitt
.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
So when he, when she uh, kisses, uh, she kisses the
detective.
And I'm forgetting, guys, um,joseph gordon levitt, yeah, yeah
, levitt.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
So when he, when she, uh, kisses justin joseph gordon
, levitt, it's like that waslike a fun little moment.
But I'm like, oh man, I wishwe'd got a flashback of like how
that was.
Like him saying, oh, she's notdating me because my father's a
cop or something right, how dopewould have been to like see
that scene play out on, justlike on some dramatic tv show,

(25:49):
miniseries, stuff, like you'reseeing a flashback.
You're not even doing showslike go, just start.
Like it's like, uh, oh, youknow what else they could have
did some ill shit, bro.
Like they could have had theshowed scenes like show a full
scene from one of the oldermovies, right, because she'd
been like she might have beenlike born, or just like the

(26:11):
mother would have been pregnant,whatever.
And then just like, and thencutting to like the mother
trying to get in touch orwhatever, just like you know,
I'm sick of this shit.
I'm sick of this shit, ali, youknow I'm sick of this shit.
And then like her leaving andstarting and so you see, like
it's just like I just wanted somuch more and I still want more
after the movie and that's whyI'm like, oh, this is why I
really like the movie you knowwhat somebody actually told me

(26:32):
over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They said they asked me this question.
They said who is her mother?
And they asked the.
But they asked the question.
They said she's around 32.
Right when was the last BeverlyHills cop?
It was 94.
So if you look at it, she'saround 30 years old.

(26:57):
He basically said TeresaRandall, who played the love
interest in the third movie,could have been her mother huh
oh, she has to be, and that'swhat?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
why are you not bringing back Teresa Randall?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I don't think she wants to be acting anymore.
I don't know, because shewasn't in Bad Boys 4 and she
hasn't really been in a lot ofstuff.
She was in everything.
Back in the day she was in BadBoys 3 she was in Bad Boys 3,
yeah, but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I didn't see for you, that's what she wasn't for.
Yeah, she's not really.
That's that's reallyinteresting.
It's like, oh, that's that's sogood to be kind of, I guess,
like grandmother, then likeyou're doing bad boys like are
we doing a sequel?
I'm coming back.
We do another one x amount ofyears later, I'm coming back,
but like it would be nice to seeher you know what I mean if she
would have been back, and it'salso, you don't know contractual

(27:56):
obligations, and just also likeas a as a black actor, she
might be like you know what Igave y'all so many years of my
life um, um, um, like I have itright right
um, but it would have been coolto even before, like you, you
show us this lawyer right, oreven show a lawyer and us not

(28:16):
knowing that that's the daughter, whatever.
And then the reveal comes fromher meeting her mom, seeing her
mom, like hey, mom, whatever.
Like oh, oh um yeah it's it's soI just, I just like I, I still
want more from it.
And I think, um, well, how arethe reviews looking?
Because if it's so, I just, Ijust like I still want more from
it.
And I think, well, how are thereviews looking?
Because if it's positive, thenwe're probably going to get some

(28:38):
more.
So I heard I've been veryblacked out with everything.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
OK, so I've I've heard that there might be a
little top five.
It's, it's in the works.
Five, it's, it's in the works.
However, uh, rotten tomatoeswho I always say rotten tomatoes
does like a mixture ofeverybody's score, right.
So the audience score score forthis is 80, so it's positive.

(29:04):
Um, the tomato reader for likeall the you know, the regular
critics and everything, is about66, which is also favorable.
This is it's favorable becauseit's above half.
So what if it was under 50?
It would be like you havereally bad reviews so you're

(29:26):
going.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
You're going 50, 50 and not 65, 100, a hundred, like
, like, like high school,college types of like.
You know what I mean.
Like if you get a 65, it's like.
I mean like if you get a 50,you failed, you get done, but
you got a 65.
They're like all right, youknow more than you know, 15,
more than half.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's.
You know what it is.
It's it's.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I go by the audience score, and the only reason I do
that is because the audience isactually telling me what's what
and they probably either paytheir money for it and they have
a different connection to thestuff and for them it's just
entertainment.
For these people it's like ajob, you know, so like let's see
.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So this guy ray for, uh, guzman I'm sorry, ray for
guzman from newsday.
His review is let me see if Ican get the full run, full
review.
But his blurb is basicallysaying the heat is definitely
off he couldn't wait to get thatone out.
Yeah, yeah, that line set up uhjen cheney from uh new york

(30:28):
magazine, jen Chaney from a NewYork magazine, and vulture, she
says, despite his reliance onthe familiar axle F, is actually
largely a good time, so breezyand insistent on not taking
itself too seriously that youcan't even get mad when the
dialogue occasionally soundslike it got pumped out of Chad

(30:50):
GBT Damn.
And that's a favorable review.
People are giving it uh, twoout of four.
Some people are giving it uh,that guy Ray for guzman gave it
a one at 1.5 out of four.
Yeah, um, who else?
Let's get some positive ones,if you are.

(31:11):
Uh, this is carla renata fromthe kirby film critic.
She says if you are a mega fanof the first bevelio's cop, you
will be in hog heaven with thisone.
Not only are there numerouseaster egg throwbacks with the
soundtrack locations, famousscenes and dialogue, but we
witness axel become rooted as adad, which is which is something

(31:33):
I liked about this.
I like seeing the older axel.
If he was coming in like he wasin 1984, I I would have turned
it off yeah, you would.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
You'd have threw it away.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
You'd be like, yeah yeah, I'm, I can't not.
You can't make me think that a63 year old man is still going
to be 22 no, no, I no.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
And also don't try to de-age Eddie Murphy's face like
they do in all these othermovies.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Coming to.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
America.
Don't de-age him, bro, becauseyou can't de-age his body.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
My man.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
He's a man.
He's supposed to be behind thegrill.
In one scene of these movies,you know what I mean.
He's got the body of the guywho got grandbabies like don't,
don't, come on.
He's still out here fightingand doing his thing.
But respectfully, oh god, youknow, I mean it is really it's.

(32:26):
I really like the fact that itjust like fatherhood was a part
of the movie.
It had to be it, just yeah, ithas to.
At one point it's like all right, well, what, where else do you
go?
Like, how many times are wejust gonna see him be a cop?
We, you can do that in the 80s,when the, the, the field are
just like just movies.
They're making films andeverybody's doing action and

(32:47):
action and action, and maybesome of the stories don't have
to be that rooted.
You're in 2024.
You're in a time where peopleare arguing about if they're
more than two genders, right.
You're at a time where also,side note there was no, there
was barely any gender type ofgay or anything dealing with
that in the movie.

(33:07):
I knew that wasn't going tohappen.
Though that wasn't going tohappen, though I I I thought
that they were going to do likesome kind of like joke and not
like about lgbtq stuff, but I'mjust like I think that it was
going to be a theme or somethingwas just going to come up
somewhere and it didn't and Iwas like, oh, this does feel
like an 80s movie.
This feels like an 80s movie.

(33:29):
They're not giving you nothing,they're just like yo action,
action, joke, maybe, maybe,maybe, some, uh, maybe, maybe
like the hot, like the hot girlin the thing, but you're not
going to get any like politicsor anything like that, and it
was none of that in this movie.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I thought it was going to be the other way around
.
I thought when he was talkingto Fancy Dan at the place, I
thought there was going to belike a herpes simplex 10 joke to
be like a herpes simplex 10joke, or yeah, oh man, oh man,
you thought I was gonna go to us.
I was waiting for some bananaand tailpipe.
Like I wanted to see what wasgonna happen I, I it's.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's so funny because it's like eddie has earned this
, this, this thing, where hedoesn't have to go far for it
and I don't think he's ever likegone far for the job.
Like people could look back atlike, like his stuff in, like
raw, and be like, oh, I can'tbelieve you said that, but like,
yeah, but at the time that wasjust like tame as fuck, like
that right, that's what it wasthen, right yeah.
And now it's like because he'sbeen able to look back and be

(34:22):
like you know what, I wouldn'tmake jokes about that now.
And so now he's like a matureguy and he's just living on like
the like hey, this is, I wanteverybody to laugh, right, right
, I got kids.
I want everybody to laugh andthat's it.
It's interesting.
I don't know how anybody couldgive that movie a one star,
though.
I think that's just racist.
Well, here's the thing Like alot of people.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's just racist.
It's just racist now.
It's just racist.
You know like black comedy.
I think what people werelooking for and it depends on
what your expectations are forthe movie, right, like some
people are looking for thismovie to be, I guess, something

(35:05):
different, like reinvent thewheel.
Like, for instance, there's oneguy from Style Weekly, chuck
Bowen, easter eggs for fans,limp action, limper jokes and
Murphy who looks great butcouldn't be more bored with what
he's having to walk throughhere.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I will say this I don't think the movie was
challenging for him.
It's not challenging, it's notat all.
Like when the last time I wason the podcast and I picked
tower heist yeah, I pickedbecause I thought it was like a
great movie and I thought it wassomething that I think at that
time in eddie's career, it wasmore of a challenge for it for
him to come back right becauselike he wasn't really doing

(35:48):
anything.
He was like okay, I'm gonna,I'm gonna come back and do this
movie.
And people like, oh, a neweddie murphy movie.
How is it gonna be?
It's a new ip, it's a wholelike okay, what is this gonna be
?
And I think they all just likeblew that shit out the water
right, right with this.
I felt like it was so set upfor him to win that it was like
a victory lap.
It was like the um.

(36:10):
It was like waiting for the notlike us video.
You know what I mean we, we know, we know what we're gonna get.
We're gonna get like acelebration of the, the main, of
the main person in the movie,and this person's gonna win or
whatever.
Just gonna watch it, we're justgonna watch it happen.
We're just curious on how it'sgonna happen.
Right, you know, um, and I I dothink he's afforded that, but

(36:31):
it was just like like man, Iwish he was like a little more.
He was like a little morechallenged, because he's so
great.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's like it's it's, it's twofold, because if you
read, if you reread what I justsaid about this movie, that
critique about this movie, it'sthe same critique for Beverly
Hills Cop 3.
If you think about it, pitifuleaster eggs, limp action, limper

(37:02):
jokes that's Beverly Hills Cop3.
So if you're trying to comparethe two, like you're giving me
this for this movie, that meansthat you never saw the other
movies.
To me, and I think.
I think that's why mostly mostof these reviews are favorable I
think the people that have seenwhat three was versus what this

(37:27):
is now, I think that, um, yeah,I just wanted it not to suck,
and I think everybody elsethought the same way.
I was like it doesn't suck,it's not that bad.
Now, there were some jokes thatdidn't fly like in the
beginning.
Honestly, I assume you didn'teven like hockey.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
So this is.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Wait, why would you assume that, that I didn't like
hockey?
How could you just assume that?
Oh, because I'm just sayingbecause.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
No, don't do that, I did not.
I did not.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
You made an assumption based on this that I
did not like.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
No, it's just that you never talk about hockey.
Well, hockey happens to be inmy blood.
Shit, Axel.
I am so sorry I feel awful.
Look, I can do better.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I will do better You're fucking with me.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
those didn't really fly thatmuch, but once he started
getting into like hey, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It heats up.
The heat is definitely on.
It was just like I was watching, like, yeah, from that was like
, okay, what are we doing here?
But I'm like, oh no, he'sheating up.
He's heating up, okay.
Right after that scene movietakes off, because I'm not gonna
that first scene.
I almost was like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna make it.

(38:39):
When I first started I was likeI ain't gonna make it through
this we have the hockey game I'mtrying to get at, I'm trying to
get it and then like also, uh,eddie's comedic rhythm is so
defined but it's also sodifferent from the rhythm that I
think comedy movies now have.

(38:59):
Right, like like Eddie, eddiehas so much respect that he can
find the words, he can find therhythm and he and he's always
firing off.
Find the rhythm and he and he'salways firing off, and I think
that a lot of people who are inscenes with him kind of step
back and let Eddie handle it.
The one of the times where Isee that didn't happen was with

(39:22):
with Serge, with Serge, andshout out to this dude too,
because I was very happy to seehim Afion Crockett, where you
see, afion was shooting, likeyou know that scene with them
too.
Right, one was elevatinghimself and eddie started
elevating himself and I'm likethis type of thing, I want to

(39:44):
see the whole movie, even when,because, um, because you
remember joseph, joseph gordonlevitt wasn't really saying
anything during that scene.
Right, because you get twocomedic titans go at each other.
Side note to that AtheonCrockett movie.
So in the theaters is reallygood.
The hip hop story movie.
Okay, see, to check it out.
I was definitely checking outLike, even if it's just Amazon,
it's just, it's just really good, really funny.

(40:05):
It's like proud to do For themgoing back and forth and then
the button of Joseph having thekeys.
I'm like if you can write thistype of scene, if this type of
scene could exist in this movie,every scene should be elevated
to this level, definitely, youknow what I'm saying.
Yeah, like all of y'all are kindof like starstruck for being

(40:26):
with Eddie Murphy, which youshould be Right, but then the
next level of it is like yo, Igot, I got to step my shit up,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I think I think there is a trope that happens in
Eddie Murphy movies where theyput him against somebody that
can't carry him.
And it's happened in most of themovies that he's in.
If you look at, if you look at48 hours, if you look at Trading
Places, and then if you look athis later work where you know,
show a movie, like showtime withhim and robert de niro, or uh,

(40:57):
there's, there's a whole bunchwhere you have him against
somebody else that can't carrytheir own weight.
Holy man, for instance, likeyou have to, like eddie has to
be the center, but he also hasto play off somebody that knows
how to set him up and and knowshow to set him up, and they have
to set him up as well.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, and that's the thing.
It's like classic crazy man,straight man, stuff, right,
Right, and Eddie can play agreat crazy man and he could do
a great straight man right.
And sometimes it has to be abalance between the both.
Like there's one scene, like inthat scene with Atheon, eddie
kind of comes in as quoteunquote crazy man with the hey

(41:41):
brother, can you help me outBecause like that's not who he
is, whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
When Atheon goes against, like brother, like I'm
not going to lose my job, butyour brother's, like he is the
straight man in that situation.
But the response that aphiongives kind of changes him into
crazy man right right because,now he's like I ain't doing that
and it's like now you got todeal with this irate person
that's that's working and who'snot gonna mess with you, and

(42:07):
then he has to.
Now he's like the.
He kind of comes to straight me, like wait, why wouldn't you
help me out?
And just like that dynamicstarts happening.
You don't get that anywhereelse.
Well, um, I think like well,serge was another one, like when
he came in.
I think like he also has suchuh, so many great like comedic
chops that he would, he wouldlike pull stuff out of, like out

(42:30):
of eddie.
Um, it was nice to see nassimuh pedrana.
She had some good lines inthere, um, when she was like
going to house, but I alsohaven't it.
I was also just like like okay,oh, she's here, okay, cool, but
I think I think it was like abait and switch.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Like you, you're giving surge, but then you got,
yeah, like like I was like whatis going on?
Why did you just do this to me?
I want Bronson Pinchot.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, I want Bronson, I want Bronson.
I was like.
I was just like.
I was like, oh, I know theylike going to the house or
whatever.
I was just like, oh, are theygoing to go?
Like, is this going to be likea club scene or something?
I'm just like the, the, whatwas it?
Was it something?
Which?
Which movie?
It was when Eddie Murphy wastrying to get into the

(43:15):
restaurant and he told themaitre d' that he was trying to
speak to somebody and he justlike went full.
He just like went full gay, butthat was the first one, that's,
victor Maitland.
Yeah, but Victor Maitland andfrom what I heard of that scene
was like that was something thathe kind of just made on the fly
.
He just kind of went with itright and I'm like that is such

(43:36):
a funny scene, but it's alsolike it's not disparaging to gay
people at all.
So it's just like oh, is Eddiegoing to go into that bag at all
in this movie, or is thatsomething that's going to happen
just because he's done itbefore and it was funny and you
can watch it again and be like,oh, this isn't even this.
This right here is just likestraight up comedy.

(43:56):
This isn't like punching down,this is like a kind of a awkward
situation for the host, for themaitre d' that's it Right.
And I'm like maybe we get someof that.
When I see Bronson, I'm like, ok, we're going to go into a weird
.
We, okay, we're going to gointo a weird.
We're going to go into a weirdwe might go into like a Beverly
Hills party, we might go left.
And then I seen the same andI'm like, oh, okay, cool, and

(44:20):
then she just had they're notgoing to, yeah.
So I'm like are we not doing,are we really just doing a house
tour Bet?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
That's it.
They're not going to.
That's not.
That's not like I.
I knew that wasn't going tohappen.
I knew, in the climate thatwe're in right now, that's not
gonna happen.
You're not gonna get thosejokes, but I did like and this
is one of the things that I didlike from the movie like I did
like the fact that um eddie's, Iguess, quips or his fast

(44:50):
talking did not work in certainsituations.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Good evening.
May I have your member numbersir?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, my member number is LAF Day Fire Marshal 17484.
And this is a surpriseinspection.
How's that fit, Chief Fancy Dan?
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
your name was Because Chief Sullivan was here
recently.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
You know, if you keep up that attitude, I'll shut
this whole place down right now.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know what?
Could I see your badge again?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
No, actually you can't, because I don't know you
and a lot of badges have beengetting snatched in this area
and I'm not going to take mybadge out.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Ok, I'm going to go and call Chief.
Sullivan.
You can go ahead and callSullivan, I don't think he'd
answer.
Answer, though, given he justretired, by which I mean he was
fired for being drunk on the job.
Oh, I had no idea he urinatedon the wall.
We've done our best to keep itout of the press.
Dorothy harabick, specialliaison to the mayor's office.
How are you well good?

(45:46):
Can you tell me the maximumcapacity upstairs 85, 85 persons
85 people very good.
So if we were to go upstairsright now, there wouldn't be
more than 85 people you know 86,would that be up there?
No, no, then you have nothingto worry about.
If I were you, I'd let us go upthere, take a head, count,
check out the fire extinguishers, and we'll be on our very way.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I like that it failed .
I'd like that it failed, likein the scene where they were
talking about Fancy Dan and Ithought, okay, he's going to get
past this and his daughteractually backed him up Seriously
Not jokingly, but seriously.
She backed him up and I waslike I like this when he went to
the Beverly Hill Palm Hotel.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
May I help you, sir?
Yes, I'm Nigel Applebottom withBon Appetit.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
And I was wondering.
I uh, yes, I'm nigel applebottom with bone appetizer and I
was wondering we're gonna tohell with this.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I'm just too tired.
Do you have any rooms available?
You're in luck.
I've got a beautiful resortview room.
Oh great, I'll take that.
Wonderful.
The rate is 940 a night plustax.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I love beverly hills you thought that he was going to
game them, but he couldn'tbecause again he's 63 years old,
and that's the thing I did,like they didn't shy away from
the age and the growth of it.
You know what I mean.
So, in that sense, for all thecritics who were like, oh, it's
just more of the same, I'm like,yeah, I wasn't watching the
same movie with the same lens.

(47:15):
All of that other stuff flewover your head because in order
for some of those plot points tohappen, he needed to fail, like
going in and seeing Luz Guzmanin the club where he was singing
and he's clapping and Josephwas like yo don't do it Right.
It's like you see itautomatically.
It's like now we got to takethem to the side and even him
being like, hey, you mess thisup, right, coming from your

(47:35):
family, it's like, yeah, youneed those kind of stakes in the
80s.
You want to just laugh and moveforward with it, right, and
then like, now we need realstakes, bro.
Like shit is real outside.
I want it a little real in themovie.
I know this story ain't real.
I want to feel realconsequences.
You know what I mean.
Um, right, and we could bespoiler filled.

(47:56):
Now that like, right, okay,yeah, yeah, we can.
Yeah, I want to see alex haveat the end of the movie, just

(48:19):
like be, be in a hospital, justlike, be.
Like, hey, I'm healing up, orwhatever, just like.
And you're like, yeah, he's anolder dude and we also don't
know.
It's like also, they didn'treally give us backstory.
What was he gonna go?
Just like, okay, now he's justback in detroit.
At the end of the movie, it'slike you know what is he going
back to you?
Just like god, like.
And he's like, but like, whatis he gonna do?

(48:40):
You need to have him somewhere,you know.
Have him with his daughter.
Is he gonna be a great father.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
We don't know really is he gonna stay in beverly
hills?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
who knows?
Who knows?
I mean, like, if they want tomake another, they want to make
another half of money, whateverbag they just got for this.
If they want another one, theyalready pumping that script out.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I'm glad that you said bag, because there are some
critics that say that this wasa cash grab, and I think they
would be right think so, yeah,you can, you can have a crash, a
cash grab, but still haverespect for what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I think I think legit at this point about my view.
A lot of stuff in industry islike you're, most of this stuff
is happening for money, right?
So if you're eddie murphy andokay, two things, you're eddie
murphy and you're just like, allright, well, hey, jerry, you
want to do another one of thesewe haven't done in a minute, all
right, how, if we do it?
How do we do it?

(49:36):
Also remember, um, this is alsopart of eddie murphy
productions too, right, right,so he's like hey, I'm putting my
.
Yeah, I'm putting my name on itlike the other ones.
I'm putting my name on it, solet's see if it, if it works
right.
Um, I think the response thathe probably got from coming to
america probably opened his eyesa little bit, because I think
that one wasn't as well receivedas he thought it was going to
be and it was like the same kindof like I feel, like nostalgia

(49:58):
play.
But coming to america is such aclassic where it's like don't
continue that story, like I getwhat you did, but you didn't
need to right, definitely.
It's like, oh, y'all alreadyfranchised, so this is not like
doing something sacrilegious.
So the bag is there, y'allcould have got.
They could have got this bagwith Amazon.
They could have got this bagwith Apple, with HBO, as an

(50:21):
original, anybody.
They could have put this out intheaters if they wanted to, but
they knew people might not goto the theaters to see this.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I think people would have.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I see this, I I think people would have, I think the
same way they went to go see badboys four.
I think bad boy, I think badboys four is different just
because they had bad boys three,you see I got you but you
didn't see bad boys four, andI'm telling you yeah, I, I and I
heard bad boys.
Four is crazy.
I heard, I heard they got itback on track.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I heard this one they got it back it's, it's the same
, like I feel that these are thesame movies.
I'm not lying to you.
I think, two things.
I think with this movie BadLittles, cop, axl F right, I
think that nostalgia foreveryone is going to make them

(51:08):
come.
Same thing with Coming toAmerica.
If we didn't see it like how wesaw it on Amazon, I guarantee
you the first week's sales wouldhave been big until they found
out that the movie wasn't thatgreat.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
That's what I'm saying.
Second week's sales would havebeen trash.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Second, week's sales would have been trash.
But it's not a blockbuster filmanymore because again, this is
an IP from 40 years ago.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah, and that's another reason why I'm like I
don't think that it would, thatyou could.
They would have put this likethe only bag was a streaming bag
.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
But the same.
You could say the same thingfor Beetlejuice 2.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
The only thing I think is different for
Beetlejuice is the Beetlejuice,which I think it would have been
better as a streaming, but Ithink they're just going to
double back.
You have to put something likethat in the theaters first,
because there's so much CGI,there's so much CGI and just
different worlds and all that.
So it's like, if you're puttingmoney into that, it's like no,

(52:09):
put this one out in the theaters, because you might have people
who saw the movie as kids, right, and just remember the movie.
And now we're adults and havekids who are the age that they
were when they saw it andthey're watching it like that,
and this movie is just like now,just, it's just a film to them,
right.
And if you don't see it, youdouble back on the bag.

(52:30):
When it comes to like hbo orwherever it does, or max,
whatever, um in the next, in thenext, like by like, by early
next year, end of the year, someshit, right, I think that's the
move.
To do it for beverly hills copis like, I think, for eddie,
because he's such like I don't,I feel this, he him by himself.
Another thing again I was on aTower Heist episode.

(52:52):
Tower Heist had a bunch ofpeople in it.
Like, at that point they madeit an ensemble cast surrounded
by Eddie.
Right, this is like hey, eddie,and all the people from the 80s
, taylor Page and a little Nas Xsong.
I don't think they knew whatthey were doing.
They were just like, hey, we'rejust going to get this bag, we
need a song.

(53:12):
Hey, can you license that maryj blige song for us?
Can you do this?
Can't do this, cool bet, bet,we just gonna put and that's the
whole movie.
That that's it.
I, um, and again, I, I love andI respect eddie murphy.
Um, I think that, yeah, andalso just like putting something
from the 80s on it's eddiemurphy.

(53:32):
It's not like transformers where, like they have like uh toys
and all this stuff that likethere's not a lot of uh uh,
there's not a lot of ip from the80s that you can bring out
today, that would hit and peoplewould want to go see for real.

(53:53):
Was Beetle just the 80s or the90s?
80s, that was the 80s, right,yeah, and I well, and I also
think it's a thing with MichaelKeaton.
The way he's kind of beenmoving through the industry a
little bit is like he he wasalready like a legend and he
still was outside Like he didbird man, he did all these other
things I kind of like you alsohave Tim Burton so and he's.

(54:16):
you know what I'm saying.
So it's like that's that.
To me that's a no-brainer.
Jerry Brockheimer still one ofthose guys, Right, Of course,
but Eddie, to carry that on hisback, Like Eddie, not doing like
press for real Well it's.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
You know what it's hard.
And it's difficult to do thisbecause when you think about
Eddie Murphy and everybody says,oh, I like his work from the
80s.
Well, what did you like fromthe 80s?
Oh, I loved him as BeverlyHills cop.
I like the Axel Foley Like.
I like this.
Uh, I love coming to America.
I wish he would do morecharacters like that.

(54:48):
I wish he would do more ofthose movies.
And that's how you get thesemovies like a coming to America,
like a Beverly Hills cop.
He like I don't think that hereally, in his gut, wants to
redo this stuff again.
He's hearing from people saying, hey, why don't you do that?
His Netflix deal, where he'ssupposed to be doing stand-up,
right, his Netflix deal.

(55:09):
The reason why they gave himall that money is because, hey,
can we get you to do anotherBeverly Hills Cop movie,
strictly for Netflix?
Because we know he wasn'tgetting stand-up Even if he
tried, even if he said, hey, I'mgoing to do a documentary and a
one-man show.
Yeah, that's an idea ofsomebody that's sitting on a
couch not doing stand-up.

(55:30):
That's the idea.
But we know what we can get youto do is hey, can you do this
Beverly Hills Cop thing for usreal quick.
That's all I need you to do.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Can you do nutty nutty professor phd, can you do?
I'm trying to picture whatwould like a blockbuster eddie
murphy movie be right now it.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
You cannot.
It's hard to do because eddieis 63 years old we still see him
, we still see him as young.
the problem is is that we getolder but we still see him as
young.
The problem is is that we getolder but we still see him as
young, and we still see him ashe was when he was 22, rather
than see him as the older man heis.
Because, if you look at it, alot of comedic actors they start

(56:14):
off in comedy but they ventureinto dramatic roles.
You see that with Bill Murray,you see that with Michael Keaton
, you see that with Tom Hanks,you see that with every other
actor.
They don't go back and forthbetween comedy, except for
Michael Keaton, you know, beingan exception.
But if you look at a Jim Carrey, if you look at it goes back
and forth.

(56:35):
Back and forth.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
He hasn't done comedy , he hasn't done comedy.
Well, the last comedy thing hedid was kick ass too.
Yeah, yeah, oh shit um thesonic the hedgehog is dr robot.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh you die.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Okay, sign the hedgehog, but that also is not
like.
I mean, it's jim carrey, sorespect it's, it's, but it's not
like.
It's not like oh my god likewhen he did him, when he did
like the mask, right, right,right, that's like a great movie
and he had a lot of comedicelements in there and it was
like drama, but it was like agood, it was a.

(57:11):
It was a weighted story but itwas very funny and all these
other things I think like for,for.
Okay, all right, hold somethinglike what.
Like if you put eddie right nowin like a marvel movie, not as
a superhero, okay, like, kind oflike how cars whitaker was in

(57:31):
um black panther like advisorsor something like that, like you
need to haveyou need to have eddie as like,
like, uh, starring with EddieMurphy.
He needs to play a legit comedyrelief character.
You need to put him as and Ithink Michael B Jordan is too

(57:55):
old for this, but it'd besomething of like Eddie is
Michael B Jordan's uncle,because you need to have
something to counteract that agefactor that we were talking
about like, oh, you will alwayslook at him as kind of like, not
like young, but you've seen himas young and kind of like
ageless and timeless.

(58:16):
And then it's like no, now he'san older guy and it's like well
, we can't keep putting him inthe roles that he made himself
on as a younger person, right,uh, like I feel yeah, I feel
like I'm gonna pitch the meetingfor eddie right now like this
is gonna get back to him like yo, how can?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I, I would like to.
I would like to see himbasically play a character like
an uncle or bring bring those uh, mighty sharp characters to
another movie.
I think that would breaksomething up.
Or do a movie where he's notthe star, however he is.
I guess different characters inthe movie.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah, I mean like, yeah, it's like Robert Downey Jr
is doing something like thatwith I think like the
Sympathizer, like something likewith that, but I think like the
sympathizer, like he playedlike different versions of
whatever, but it's like RobertDowney Jr is having fun.
That's what I want.
I just want to see Eddie Murphyhave fun again on screen.
I think he was having fun in AxlF.

(59:16):
Like in general the whole movie, it looked like he was having a
good time, but again it didn'tlook like he was being
challenged.
And, like in general the wholemovie, looked like he was having
a good time, but again itdidn't look like he was being
challenged.
And I think eddie, from the wayI understand him and I see him,
I think when he is acting andbeing challenged that's when
you're going to get the besteddie, because I think he's so
used to not being challenged andjust being great it might be

(59:39):
boring to him.
So it's like you gotta kind oflike give him something.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I I don't.
I mean, I've been hearing himtalk about doing a sequel to
it's a mad, mad world, um, which, uh, you've seen the movie.
No, I watched the movie.
Uh, I think I watched the moviearound the pandemic.
Um, somebody had referred me towatching the you know older guy
.
He was like oh, this was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It's like one of those classics that I kept
hearing about, like, oh, you'regonna do I've watched it and
actually it's kind of like how?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
it's kind of like cannonball run um mad money,
what's the other one?
Uh, it's kind of like towerheist as well.
It's basically they're allracing to to make some money.
I forget the uh, was it ratrace?
Rat race.
It's kind of like rat race.
If you ever seen that movie, Iknow these all bad movies that

(01:00:34):
I'm but I think rat race.
rat race is the one with whoopigoldberg, cuba jr and a couple
other people are in the movieand it's more like those than
anything else.
And I'm like I can't see EddieMurphy, tracy Morgan and, let's
say, kevin Hart and all theseother people that he's going to
put in the movie.
I don't know if I would want tosee that.

(01:00:56):
I don't.
I don't know if I I don't knowif that's the thing that I want
to see.
And then you got to think aboutit like this what's the last
big?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
comedic movie that we've seen in a long time, the
last big one, yeah, yeah, it'sreally hard, like I would say
like the one that like sticksout to me is me is like is
either Hangover or Superbad, butI know Bridesmaids was after
that and I think that likereally made a big splash, but
like, in a sense of like just astraight up and down comedy

(01:01:31):
movie.
That's not what's going at thebox office right now.
That's like not like.
I don't even think the Oscarshave a category for best comedy
they never have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
But I think that, yeah, I think the issue is that
for us, and especially with amovie like Beverly Hills, cop
Axel F, we criticize shit somuch that people are afraid to
do comedy movies you know whatthey could do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
What they could do Harlem Nights, they could, but
and don't do it on somepandering or trying to pay
homage to the original, none ofthat.
Just do Harlem Nights.
Here's the problem.
I mean I know the comedy'schanged because it'd be like
Harlem Nights.
Here's the problem.
I mean I know the comedy'schanged because it'd be like

(01:02:26):
Harlem Nights starring DC, youngFly and oh God, that'd be so
hard Brewski.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Oh God, that sounds like House Party.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Exactly With Eddie Burfish.
You know the anchor together.
So the thing is like you wantsomething kind of like in.
You want, like the juggernautto come, like if you're going to
be real about it, right, youwant to have Mike Epps in the
movie.
Like I would love a movie.
I would love a movie.

(01:02:58):
Here we go.
Quick pitch, quick pitch.
Thought about it.
It's called the Cook-Off.
Two neighbors are battling tohave the better cookout, and the
neighbors are Eddie Murphy andMike Epps.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
That sounds like the blackest movie ever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Ever, It'd be the funniest that you've ever done.
It'd be so fucking funny.
It's the blackest movie.
The Cook It'd be the funniestthat you ever thought.
It'd be so fucking funny.
It's the blackest movie thecook.
The cook are you kidding me?
You know how much tickets areselling already.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I can see the trailer now.
They got some good ribs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
You taste his ribs.
He touched my ribs.
You know how much ripping wouldmake it into the movie.
He touched my ribs.
You know how much ripping wouldmake it into the movie.
Get up a little bit, it's notto the rip.
And then, and then and then, andthen, and then, and then, and
then, and then, and then, andthen, and then, and then, and
then, and then, and then, andthen, and then, and then, and

(01:03:58):
then.
Not just slapstick humor, butin that right, because even
saying it's like okay, so inthat now you have Eddie Murphy's
family, who's going to be inthe family, right?
And you're like okay, you putJermaine Fowler and Shorty from
I'm forgetting her name, butShorty, that was in, get Out.

(01:04:19):
Okay, she can do comedic stuff.
She's there and that's likemaybe like the nephew, and he
comes with the new girlfriend,like so there's like all these
little dynamic things happeningin this house and then so maybe
you have the uh, oh, this is it.
Now this becomes a whole thingabout um society where it's like
in one house you have like thekind of like the uppity,

(01:04:41):
uppityity, negro, like the woke,whatever type of house and this
house that people are like nah,we bring, like this is like the
hood, they come, they come fromeither like out of the hood or
down south or something.
It's like oh, this is culturecoming in.
So you have that clash.
And so, you know, in Mike'shouse you have like Miss Pat,
you know, might have like uh, uh, uh, just, and even me, me

(01:05:07):
saying it is just because ofit's, it's, it would probably
make sense, but um, but I don'twant to say him, but um, like I
was like charleston white, butlike I don't want charleston
white in this I want him, no, nono, I'm like who, oh, you put
uh, and look, I think I do thinkdc young fly can act and I
think, like if he's in it he'dbe in it.
But I'm like you have to havelike the grace, or it's not

(01:05:28):
going to be one of those thingswhere, like dc young flies in it
and everyone's building like,and dc young fly, like I think
they need somebody who wouldalso like respect, like, oh, I'm
with legends, I gotta bring mya game, but I'm also with these
legends, right, right, right.
That would be a time where, yousee, you would see Eddie Murphy
being older and you'd see himbeing challenged by everybody on
the cast, like they all havereverence and stuff.

(01:05:51):
But it's like, hey, we got tomake, we going to make a fucking
banger.
We need to make another blackclassic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I would love a either a TV show or a movie with Miss
Pat and Eddie Murphy.
Okay, why?
Either a TV show or a moviewith Miss Pat and Eddie Murphy?
I think I would love that.
And the reason why I say that?
Because it gives me vibes ofDella Reese and Red Fox.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
That's the only thing Are they working together?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Are they going against each other?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I want that.
Oh, that's really funny.
It's like what if they weregoing through a divorce or
something.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Something yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Or just fighting over something really trivial.
But something like that wouldbe something if it's just comedy
and it's good I think that besomething if it's just comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Just, and it gets, and it's good.
I think that's something that'slike a box office smash.
Okay, you know, I think theytried, like the tried, to do it
with the, with Jonah Hill, withthe, with the, with the you
people, yeah, you people was.
I sold the vision.

(01:07:06):
I saw what he was trying totake the culture.
I saw what he was trying totake the culture.
We didn't go there, but I sawit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Kenya Barris man, I don't know and even like with
Kenya.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
It's like because Kenya also did, he did the
script for Coming to America 2right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
He did the script for Coming to America 2, right, he
did the script for Coming toAmerica.
He also did the script forBarbershop 3.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I'm writing my ass off.
I'm writing my ass off thisyear.
This is bullshit.
If I can't get mad, I'm goingto give it to somebody.
I'm going to be like, hey,we'll pack.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
That's all you got to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Anybody want to get this made?
Hey, jordan Peele, what youdoing?
I think I can read this realquick.
I think that I really enjoyedBeverly Hills Cop.
My only critique is that I Iwish there was just more more of
it, just so it could go like indepth with the stories.

(01:08:08):
Um, because it's like you know,you don't see eddie outside
that much, and so it's like whenyou see him it's like it's a
treat.
You know, right, it's like Ijust want to see, I want to see
more of that and just like moreof that world.
Um, I do think I do think itwas like a legit money grab, but
I think they had care for whatthey did.
It wasn't like yo, I'm justgonna do a money grab, just make
the shit and then I'm out andyeah, that's.

(01:08:34):
Those are my overall thoughtson this cool.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Well, before we wrap this up, I know it's been a
minute since you've been on here, so I got to ask you what are
your top five Eddie Murphymovies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Oh man, All right, Interesting, Interesting.
I wonder if this is going to bethe same, the same list that I
gave last time.
Bowfinger Tower Heist.
In no order Bowfinger TowerHeist Nutty Professor, I'll put.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Axl F in this now why ?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
You know, it's just nice to see that he still got it
.
It's more of what itrepresented he still got.
It's more of like what itrepresented like yo, he still
got it.
The movie is cool, um, and alsoseeing like all of the other
players from the old movies comeback and this is nice, um, but
I did love that.
I did really like the dynamicof him having a daughter,

(01:09:38):
because it did, I just like thatbeast.
I was like, oh, oh, I reallylike, just really liked it, like
I.
I haven't, um, a lot of times Ithink I've seen Eddie on, uh, on
like screen and he had a kid.
The kid was always like a youngkid.
You know what I mean Like oh,it'll be okay, and all this
stuff.
And it's like, now he has adaughter who is like no, so what

(01:10:01):
?
You, you having sex, or like,you know, like, just like a
daughter who's like not his shit, or or just like I'm like
that's what I want to see.
It's like I, I, I don't wantthings to be just like totally
easy for eddie in in anycharacter, in any character,
right, um, so what would my lastone be?
Oh, this is, this is, uh, Idon't want to say this one, but

(01:10:23):
it's on my mind, um, I thinkit's like what's like a thousand
words or some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Oh why a thousand words.
I got a.
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
all right, that's a yeah, that's right.
That's right.
It's the murphy mob.
That's right, we going back,that's right.
Um, I think, um, you know what,I just like the.
It was one of the movies that Ithink he was in a time where he

(01:10:55):
wanted to make movies that,like you know, his, his kind of
like, he was wanting to makemovies that his kids could watch
and that were like kind ofsaying something.
But that one is like themessage of him.
Was it because he wasn't likequote, unquote, quiet, most of
the movie, but like he, couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
It was more physical comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah, it was more physical comedy and it's like
that's something that I think,comedically you don't really see
as much of.
And for me, one of one of myfavorite physical comments are
you talking about Jim Carrey of?
And for me, one of my favoritephysical comments, when you were
talking about Jim Carrey, right, and the things that he's done,
like fire marshal, like allthat stuff, having Eddie show
that he can do that is reallylike hey, this is like a good

(01:11:36):
medley of the things that he cando.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Okay, fine Okay well.
Like.
This is the final thing.
I want to ask you, Cause I justthought about this while we're
talking Um a good friend, DarianSills Evans, hit me this
weekend and he was like he waslike yo.
I think I like this movie morethan I like Beverly Hills cop

(01:12:01):
too.
That's what he said.
He said if he had to do it itwould be Beverly Hills Cop,
beverly Hills Cop Axl F, beverlyHills Cop 2, beverly Hills Cop
3.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Good, good movie.
It's good.
Okay, where do I rank thisBeverly Hills Cop?
Yeah, I would probably put itin.
I'd probably put it in third.
I'd probably do Beverly HillsCop one two than this one.
Okay, I don't know if I wouldput it up better than I don't

(01:12:37):
know if I would put it above two, but I think it's also like
when I'm seeing it you know whatI mean like okay, like as an
adult and have lived life andlike you know you have like my
own, like family shit of likeyou know my dad being around and
and like all that andunderstanding it.
It's like, oh, seeing that inan eddie murphy movie is trippy

(01:13:02):
you know what I?
Like I don't think there's a lotof movies with like those type
of like really grounding themesin it, for Eddie, you know.
So that's why I'm just like, oh, that stands out to me, but
with that the action was good.
The action was good.
Like yo, shout out to theextras in the movie.

(01:13:23):
Oh like his daughter like hisdaughter no, not the door.
Like the extras who are runningfrom the, from the uh
helicopter blades and all thisstuff.
Even they will believe.
I'm like, yeah, this is great,this is like it.
It felt like I was at home, butit felt like I was watching a
movie in the theaters.
It felt like the way it wasshot.

(01:13:43):
I was like, oh yeah, this is anaction, fucking movie.
So, yeah, I think I put it inthe top three and if you
disagree, you're just like awhite critic who has something
against Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I'll leave it right there.
Thank you again for doing thisepisode.
If you haven't already, pleaselike, share and subscribe.
Tell an Eddie Murphy fan totell an Eddie Murphy fan that
you love this podcast, and doyou have anything you want to
promote?

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yeah, you can find all my stuff at my website.
Yo, Mike Brown, and if youhappen to be in the New York
area, on July 27th I will behosting at the gutter in
Brooklyn.
It is my boy, Gordon Baker bone.
He is doing his special taping.
Come out to that, it's going tobe great.
The new material that, likeI've, I've been watching him

(01:14:34):
work on some of this new stufflike the past year and a half it
is.
It is stupid.
It is like he had.
He has some bits on that.
I'm jealous that I didn't thinkof it.
You know what I mean.
You people are like you,motherfucking ass fuckers.
But yeah, july 27.

(01:14:57):
The gutter, bk, come see mehost for Gordon Baker Bowen.
Definitely, definitely and withall BK come see me host for
Gordon Vacabone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
All right, definitely , definitely, and with all
hearts and minds clear, let'send this show.
Had to drop a bomb on him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Hi Flex Hit the bomb, bomb bitch that's hilarious.