July 7, 2025 • 57 mins
Eddie Murphy's Raw stands as a landmark comedy special that showcases a 27-year-old superstar at the height of his powers, wearing his iconic leather outfit at Madison Square Garden. The 1987 concert film combines brilliant impressions, storytelling, and controversial material that still resonates and provokes discussion decades later.
• Haji Outlaw shares his experience watching Raw at age 9 despite his mother's objections
• Raw vs. Delirious debate reveals how Raw captured Murphy at his fame peak
• Eddie Murphy's iconic leather outfit became untouchable for future comedians
• Discussion of how Raw initially received an X-rating requiring extensive negotiations
• Raw remains the 5th highest-grossing concert film of all time
• Examination of Eddie's crossover appeal and impact on Black cinema
• Critics like Roger Ebert had mixed reactions despite the special's massive success
• The scripted opening featuring Samuel L. Jackson and future stars was groundbreaking
• Eddie Murphy's impressions of Bill Cosby and Richard Pryor stand as comedy classics
• Murphy retired from stand-up shortly after Raw as his fame made it difficult to test material
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for
any comedian ever.
They can't, they can't do it,no one can do it.
If anyone shows up on stageanywhere, leather pants, any
leather, they're like oh, you'retrying to be Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mom, I got a joke.
Shh Little Eddie got a joke totell Go Eddie, I got a joke to
tell Westie was a lion and amonkey.
And the monkey said I can makethe weather change.
The lion said, no, you can't.
So the monkey started climbingup the tree and then he started
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peeing on the lion's head.
No, it's raining.
Then he started farting.
Now there's thunder.
Then he started tootling, Nowit's snowing.
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So the lion said oh yeah, well,I can make the stars come out.
Then he kicked them in the dingding.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Doo doo lad, that boy's got talent.
Hey y'all, we are back.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Murphy Monday podcast, the
only podcast that celebrates thelife and career of Eddie Murphy
(01:48):
.
I'm your host, nigel AFullerton.
This week we have one of thewriters for the Eric Andre show.
He's also one of the comediansyou should know.
He's produced songs for BoldyJames, the Cool Kids.
He has a new stand-up specialthat's coming out this summer
called Spangled.
Ladies and gentlemen, give itup for Haji Outlaw.
This week's episode, we discussthe differences between Eddie
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Murphy Delirious and EddieMurphy Raw.
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previously previously on themurphy monday podcast.
What was your first introductionto eddie murphy?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
oh man, I'm so glad you brought this up.
It's funny.
I just told somebody that storyrecently.
I'm 47 years old.
It happened when I was 13.
Every day I watch TV.
I see the promo for Raw and I'mlike, yeah, that's in the
movies.
You mean like a movie movie,like a downtown Brooklyn movie.
So I found out.
(03:04):
I looked in the newspaper, Ilooked, I got myself a daily
news.
I looked in the newspapersection where the movies used to
be and I saw that that shit wasplaying downtown at the, at the
.
It wasn't a duffield.
The duffield was on duffieldplace, around the corner from
fulton mall, but it was playingon fulton, around the corner
from from j street, where nowthere's a church, but it used to
be a movie theater.
(03:24):
My mom gave me $60 to get thenew Nikes and I was like, fuck
them Nikes, I'm going to get mesome cheap sneakers and go see
the movie with some of the money.
I creep over to the movietheater.
It's about 1 o'clock in theafternoon and there's this young
chick in the box office.
I guess she's an older teenagerand I was like one for Raw
(03:46):
please.
And she was like and she gaveme the ticket and I was out.
She didn't even and I know Ilook young for my age she was
just like, well, I guess he'ssupposed to be here.
She gave me the fucking ticket,didn't give me any hassle.
This is an R-rated movie.
Yeah, I went in there.
It's an R-rated movie.
Yeah, I went in there.
I ran to the theater because Ididn't want no popcorn, I want
nobody seeing me, I want noreason to kick me out, right?
(04:09):
So I ran in the movie theater.
I had food on me anyway, yeah,and I watched this fucking movie
he opened up with I would liketo talk to you.
I said he's trashing Bill Cosby.
This is awesome.
I've been watching the Cosbyshow.
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I had watched Bill Cosbyhimself.
It's like King Kong versusGodzilla almost it was crazy.
I was just like.
And then he started talkingabout sex and when you're young,
you get your shoulders in thefucking.
What are these things?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
We've been waiting for a long time.
Yes, we've been waiting for along, long time.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Good morning, my neighbor.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Jesus Christ.
This is becoming veryirritating.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think I was nine years old when Raw came out and
so I asked my mom.
I was like, hey, mom, can we gosee Raw?
And my mom like Richard Pryor,so she knew what Eddie was going
to be talking about, she waslike, no, no, you're entirely
too young to watch this.
But that next weekend I waswith my dad.
So I asked my dad.
I'm like, hey, dad, can we gosee Eddie Murphy Raw?
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I don't know if he just didn'tcare or if he didn't know, but
he told me to go see him at nineyears old.
So first five minutes of themovie, you know, with Lil' Lop
we got like, who's it?
Like Rudy from the Cosby Show?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
and Bud.
Yeah, bud Bud.
Tatiana Lee's in there.
Yeah, yeah, a couple otherpeople yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, so that part, like I, was cool.
But as he starts talking, Iremember like 15 minutes into it
I remember looking over at mydad and being like I should not
be watching this.
And the biggest thing Iremember for that as a kid I
remember when Eddie Mercerdescribed how he's got to get a
woman who's buck naked on ahorse and I remember saying to
myself I can picture that.
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That's good, that's a good one,eddie, that's a good one.
I was like I got in trouble forthat Because my mom was like I
told you not to go see it.
My dad said anyway.
So that was one of the firsttimes I got in trouble for
something.
Man, was that like your firstintroduction to Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
As far as like full-on stand-up besidesL was
probably the first time, or just.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I've been in SNL seeing something like either
James Brown, you know, hot TubSkit or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's funny because a lot of people's first
introductions like very it'seither very tame or very like
awkward.
So like you, for you it waslike Saturday Night Live, then
Raw, for me it was Golden Child.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That was like my first, because it's the first
one that was pg13, like it wasthe only.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, because trading places and everything
everything else was rated r yeah, even even though it was cop
everything except for okay, yeahyeah, and like my dad used to
dress like eddie murphy didn'tknow back then now like, as I
see, like the skinny tie, thejet, like everything.
So it's amazing how EddieMurphy influences people.
Do you feel like you'reinfluenced by Eddie Murphy at
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any point?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
oh, uh, easily.
I mean, first of all he was sofunny because, like, as a
performer he's great, but thenin impersonations he's lights
out and I remember seeing himjust being like there's no way I
could do what that guy's doingever.
But like he's great.
But then in impersonations he'slights out and I remember
seeing him just being likethere's no way I could do what
that guy's doing ever, but likehe's like to me.
He has the best 10 year run incomedy I've ever seen like 81
through 91.
No one's come close to that run.
We had television a lot, standup a lot and movies a lot.
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So he's like the pinnacle oflike being funny.
And I'll tell you another funnystory.
It was I was writing forHannibal.
He was doing a show on comedycentral.
We're writing jokes for him tocome up there and it was some.
Someone had a joke that wasgoing to be like making fun of
Eddie Murphy, something with atransgender or something like
that.
And I remember being like me,being like, nah, I can't, I
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ain't doing that to Eddie.
And Hannibal looked at me andhe's like, nah, i'm't doing that
to Eddie.
And Anibal, looking at me, islike no, I'm not doing that joke
.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
He's like yeah, like no, I'm not doing that joke.
Bill Cosby yes.
Eddie Murphy no.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Exactly, yeah, cosby all day.
Yeah, knock that out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not Eddie Nah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know there's some people that are raw guys and
some people who delirious guy.
So you a raw guy or deliriousguy?
Oh I mean, I love both.
I put them easily top at leastone of them's top seven
stand-ups ever.
I think delirious might be alittle tighter because his fame
at raw was like nearing its peak, like like it's, like it's.
He talked about that.
I think he retired fromstand-up like a year or two
after he had to yeah, he wasjust too big.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
He was at the top of his game, like, like, as you
re-watch raw right, you get to apoint where you think about
he's 27, 28 years old.
You know, I'm saying he'swearing leather outfits.
He's at the peak of his career.
You've got people screamingeddie, eddie.
Like that, right, there is likehow you leave on top, like
there's no way, like if he wasto get back on stage, like after
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that moment, it'd probably belike there's a difference
between live and Sunset Stripand here and now.
Yeah.
And I'm talking about RichardPryor specials, but you know
what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, like his fame had just gotten so big.
He talked about that.
It's hard for him to like gaugeif jokes are working because
he's such a star Peoplescreaming his name when he's
doing new material it's hard forhim to gauge is this working or
is it just the fame of how bighe is?
Because even Richard Pryor wasbig but he wasn't the number one
box office smash.
Beverly Hills Cop.
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That was the number one R-ratedcomedy movie until the Hangover
2,.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I want to say yeah, I think so yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's like what 30 years.
So his star power is thehighest you'll probably ever see
.
So to do stand-up, which youkind of got to be somewhat of
like a working man and leadsomewhat, he was way past that
and his whole life.
The leather outfits you look athis wives, ex-wives everyone's
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dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's crazy, because I'm a Delirious guy I actually
saw Raw first.
I think, that's why, I'm aDelirious guy, mostly because
Delirious was like I rememberseeing it like in the video
store, and it was like him inthe red leather outfit I'm like,
oh, what's this?
I've never seen this before andit was like an HBO special that
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nobody really knew.
So Raw was like the firstconcert special I seen.
And then I went back toDelirious.
So for me I love Raw, but Ihave a special, special thing
for like delirious for like themost part.
But yeah, this is um.
This is basically.
We're here to talk about the1987 film concert film, eddie
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murphy raw, which I've beenwanting to talk about for like
past couple of years.
I haven't gotten to it.
And this I I said when I sawyou on set I was like this is
the perfect time to do it.
I was like let's get into it,because I really want to talk
about the things I didn'trealize, especially in that
intro that you were talkingabout before, where you have a
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young Samuel L Jackson.
I love that doo-doo line.
That boy's got talent.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh, I forgot about that.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You have Bud from the Cosby Show Satyaan Ali.
And what I didn't notice.
I don't know if you noticedthis Damian Dante Wayans is one
of the kids in there runningaround.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I just figured that out.
Leonard jackson, who played thescientist in boomerang, the one
yeah, the one she threw his herpanties at him.
Yeah, and he was so disgusting.
He's in the film playing eddiemurphy's uncle and then playing
eddie murphy's father.
You're not gonna believe this.
He was in the movie Mark forDeath as Screwface.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh, okay, I remember that.
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, allright.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
It's an amazing start for a concert film.
Now, like before this this film, there weren't a lot of concert
films.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, certainly wasn't for anyone black.
I mean, I don't think anyonehad done, because I think that
wasn't.
It wasn't it at master squaregarden?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
it was at master square garden.
The only person that I know toactually do a concert film
stand-up concert film wasrichard pryor and strike the
match like this what's thatrichardryor running down the
street?
I looked this up and thehighest grossing concert film
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we're talking music and moviesis Taylor Swift.
Right, she's number one.
Number two is Justin Bieber andthis is highest grossing
concert films Three HannahMontana, miley Cyrus, four One
Direction and the fifth one isEddie Murphy Raw.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Still.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Still.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I made a killing.
I made a killing on that thing,man, because Raw didn't cost me
.
It couldn't have cost nothingcompared to all those musical
ones, just the cost on it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It couldn't, because I actually watched an interview
with Robert Townsend and he saidthey only did two shoots.
They only shot twice.
How many?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
shows.
Did you shoot Two At theParamount Theater in Madison
Square Garden?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You, at nine years old, trying to figure out what a
butt-making lady on a horsemeant and something shooting
fire at your dick.
Excuse me, doc, what does itmean when?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
you go to the bathroom and fire, shoot out
your dick.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I know a lot of it just went right over my head.
It was just cool to see EddieMurphy on a big screen and then
some stuff actually hit me, likethe this closing bit when, if
he's doing like his dad or hisuncle doing the mess up song,
nothing from nothing to nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I do something motherfucker punch you in the
mouth.
I know you wanna leave.
I got one of those father getsdrunk and sings old Motown songs
to you in his argument andfucks up all the lyrics and
think he's saying it rightbefore.
I know you're gonna leave me,but I refuse to let you go.
Lillian, the lyrics and thinkhe's saying it right but going.
I know you're going to leave me, but I refuse to let you go,
lillian.
What did you do?
No, don't tell me nothing.
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Nobody gets punched for nothing.
What, eddie?
Don't tell no, no, don't saynothing.
Eddie, nothing from nothingleaves nothing.
Had to do something.
Motherfucker.
Punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That stuff I would get, but like some of the stuff,
like it would just go over myhead.
I do remember he talked aboutJohnny Carson, because I watched
Carson.
He talked about how like his exgot like $300 million and he's
like he's like ain't no pussyworth $300 million.
I'd like I'd put it on layaway,like that stuff.
I was like okay, okay, I getthat I've had my share of pussy.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I have.
Yet, even if the pussy wasgreat and spark shot out the
woman's ass and cannons bled andthe mountains crumbled and the
seeds roared.
No pussy is worth 150 milliondollars.
No pussy, no pussy.
I like to meet some pussy likethat.
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Put the shit on layaway.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But, like I'd say, 70% of it was just like okay, I
have no idea what he's doinghere.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know it is crazy.
But you know what also is crazy?
Like for me, the, I guess, theimpressions.
I guess for me not not beingable to.
I've never saw a delirious.
So before this I didn't knowthat he could do impressions
like that.
So for me I didn't know hecould do Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Perfectly, and this is like one of the first people
to actually do.
Now it's kind of hacky, butback then it was, you know,
cosby, he did Cosby, then he didPryor.
Then you're like holy yo, whatis going on?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I would like to talk to you about some of the things
that you do in your job.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
You cannot say filth, flarn filth, flarn filth in
front of people.
And I said I never said nofilth flarnaring filth in front
of people.
And I said I never said nofilth flaring filth.
He says you know what I'mtalking about.
I can't use the type oflanguage that you use, but you
know what I mean when I sayfilth flaring, flaring, flaring
filth.
And I said I never said nofilth flaring filth and I don't
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know what you're talking about.
I'm offended that you calledfuck you.
And that's when Bill got pissedand said that's what I'm
talking about.
You cannot say fuck In front ofpeople.
And I got mad.
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I was so mad I called RichardPryor's house up and said yo,
richard, bill Cosby just calledme up and told me I was too
dirty.
And Richard said the next timea motherfucker called tell him.
I said suck my dick.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's like his superpower, like he can write
stuff, be a great performer, butwhen you do impressions, that
thing translates everywhere andhe's dead on.
Like you watch him later oneven go back to Lyric.
There's a scene where hisbrother yells out from the
audience.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I'm winded I'm out of breath, I'm sweating and shit.
Thank you, y'all didn't know Iwas a ventriloquist too.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And it's like oh my God.
And he says like y'all didn'tknow I could throw my voice or
something like that.
I'm like, oh my God, if you'veseen him do his impression of
Charlie Murphy, it'sunbelievable.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
His impression of Charlie Murphy is amazing, I
mean if you ever see the movieTower of Ice?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
that's all Charlie Murphy.
I think we were talking aboutthat.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, I didn't realize that was all Charlie,
but it makes sense that is thebest Charlie Murphy impression
he's ever done Questions yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Who's that girl in the red dress?
She got the kind of titties Ilike to play with.
That's.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Marianne from Sales.
She's a lesbian.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, I'm lost.
Like, how many lesbians totaldo we have to avoid?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
None, we're not avoiding lesbians.
I don't avoid lesbians at all.
I seek lesbians out.
Lesbians get touched delicatelyby other lesbians.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's just amazing, like watching this piece of film
, this work, bit by bit, line byline.
He starts off talking aboutwhat he did in Delirious and
then brings it to the nowcontroversial his, his bit about
gay people.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh, it opened a bit too.
When you go back, I remember Iwas in college when I first got
to see Delirious, because I'dseen I said I'd seen Raw.
But in college I was at FAMUand my first meet we didn't have
cable.
All we had was, like I think, aVHS of Damon Wayans and Major
Payne and Eddie Murphy deliriousso we watched the crap out of
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that and I was like sittingthere being like even in college
.
I was like wow, I didn't knowyou could even open up your
whole set.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I did die jokes about homosexuals about a couple
years ago and faggots were mad.
They were like, and they were.
It's nothing like having anation of fags looking for you.
I'd be at parties.
There's always two or threehomosexuals at a party and
they'd be standing aroundlooking at you.
They'd be looking at you.
He's an asshole.
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I can't travel the countryfreely, no more.
I can't go to San Francisco.
They got a 24 hour homo watchwaiting for me in there for them
.
As soon as I got off the plane,they be like he's here.
Yes, yes, it's him, yes, it'shim.
And the cars that come rushingacross town be woo, woo, woo,
woo, woo, and there won't be nosiren.
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It'll be a real fag sitting onthe roof going woo, woo, woo,
woo, woo, woo, woo woo and itwon't be no siren, be real
flexing on the roof.
Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo say,cannon will be here to get you
in the court of law.
You had right to in the turn.
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Now turn around.
I'm going to frisk you.
Are you carrying any concealedweapons?
Are you carrying what is this?
What is this?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I don't know how raw you want to get with like
literally on the order it saysnumber one facts.
That's his first bit yeah and Iwas like wow.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
On the albums, yeah, that's.
And then there's one albumthat's just revisited.
Wow, Like it was so hot, youknow big, that you had to
revisit.
Like, come on, it's, it's.
We laugh at it now but like inthis day and age and since then
he's actually apologized forthose jokes oh, yeah, yeah.
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And now a lot of people thinkthat censorship is a thing now.
Do you think censorship iswhat's hurting comedy or what?
What's helping comedy?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I don't know if it's hurting or helping.
I would say that it's reallylike the big corporations
they're just scared.
They're just scared to likeanyone who has anything
controversial or can beperceived as controversial.
They're worried about losingfan base and losing money.
So it's really not necessarilythe comedians who are scared to
do stuff.
It's mainly like thecorporation are like well, we
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don't want to touch, we don'twant to touch Dave Chappelle, or
we don't want to have peoplewho are going to do
controversial stuff.
So now you see a bunch of kindof homogenized safe jokes around
certain areas.
So it's I'd say it's more of acorporate culture, because now
the Internet's so fast.
You say something and bang,bang, bang.
All of a sudden you're goingviral Something you said two
(23:16):
years ago, 10 years ago, andyou're going to lose jobs.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, I think it's.
I think it's twofold, I think.
Like I think for the first partof it, you know, have we become
too safe?
Have we?
Have we been doing safe jokes?
I think, for the people whofeel that everything's too
quote-unquote censored now, Ithink that they need to write
better jokes.
Oh, yeah, and what I mean bythat is, like you know, there's
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certain things like we'retalking about with and we use
the F word and I'm sorry forpeople who are offended by the F
word, but we use that wordsparingly only because that's
what the bit was called buttrying to do that same joke now,
in 2025, it's like come on,everybody has done that joke, so
(24:04):
now what are we going to do toelevate the joke?
I think when things areactually super funny, you can't
cancel it.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I think that's it.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think that that's the thing.
So like, even if you're afraidof, like people getting mad at
you or whatever, I think if youmake it funny enough, you
elevate it to a point where,like okay, like it's funny, you
can't debate it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean I say like, like Bill Burr does, that
He'll take some kind of daringareas and he'll make it super
funny.
He's a really great writer,great comedian, but then he
still gets some flack online forit.
But he just he just in general,he just doesn't care Right.
So that's the thing where, likeyou, if you're going to take a
sensitive area, your writing andyour delivery needs to be
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really, really good.
You can't just kind of do stuffthat like, oh, five years ago
this was fine.
It needs to be elevated and bebetter.
That's the thing I think somecomedians are like I won't say
lazy, but you get comfortabledoing a bit and like why isn't
this working anymore?
Well, society's kind of movedaway from that, so it needs to
be a little more nuanced, alittle more slick in order to
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get the same laughs you got twoyears ago.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Do you think that's what keeps Eddie Murphy back
from going on stage?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, honestly.
I mean I know he really enjoysacting.
He really enjoys being justbeing an artist.
I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone
from Boys to Men was saying likehe can play Tchaikovsky on the
piano like he's just a an artist.
I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone
from Boys to Men was saying likehe can play Tchaikovsky on the
piano Like he's just a greatartist.
So I think acting keeps himhoned in.
So I don't think that stoppedhim from doing standup.
But I think standup is such apure thing the way he left.
I think after a certain coupleof years you got to be like
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there's no point to coming backunless it's just a money grab
and he don't need no money.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Some people would disagree with you.
Really, yeah, because a lot ofpeople.
The criticism about EddieMurphy is that he's doing these
things for money.
So, for instance, every moviethat you've seen in the past 10,
20 years, they've said, oh,it's just a money grab for eddie
murphy because he thinks, youknow, oh, bibbler hill's cop
(26:20):
four, oh, that's a money grab.
Coming to america, that's amoney grab.
That's what they've been sayingabout every sequel that eddie
murphy has put out in the past20 years.
Yeah, all right, I don't think.
I mean, I don't agree with them.
I think that I think that wewant to see Eddie at his highest
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light and for us it's basicallythe movies that we grown to
love that when we first met him.
So, like, if he did a raw too,it's only because the people
asked for it.
The reasons why he did aBiblios cop two, three, because
the people asked for it, thereasons why he did a Biblios cop
two, three, four is because thepeople asked for it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, same thing with the coming to America, and like
the coming to America too wasbumpy.
I remember it got panned alittle bit, but I was like it's
like pure nostalgia.
It's basically like takingeverything from the first one
and just flipping it up a littlebit for the sequel.
So it's like a pure nostalgiafilm and I'm like, oh, I get
that, because you're basicallyjust saying they've been asking
for this sequel for a long time.
(27:16):
We're going to give you thatsame feeling, but just a little
bit of nuance for the newgeneration.
And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
That's exactly what he did.
That's the same way, samesentiment, same exact thing that
I feel when it comes to that,because it's like I had to do it
on this podcast, like I had tothese movies I had to talk about
.
I had to talk about coming toAmerica.
I had to talk about BeverlyHills, cop 4 and the backlash
behind it.
And, granted, most of EddieMurphy's movies have had bad
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reviews, really yes, most ofthem.
If you look at, the only moviesthat didn't get panned were
probably Beverly Hills Cop stillhas a favorable rating I got
like 63% but for the most part,trading Places has favorable
ratings.
48 Hours has favorable ratings.
Bowfinger has favorable ratingsReally Okay, every one of those
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movies has had bad ratings.
From the movies that you love,you can name it, even this movie
right here, eddie Murphy Raw, Ihave like some of the reviews
from it.
I went to Cisco and Ebert, whowere the top critics of the 80s.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Stop it.
There's not a lot more that wecan show you of Eddie Murphy Raw
without you hearing more bleepsthan words.
He's foul, but very funnytalking in brutally honest,
comedic terms about sex andmarriage.
The concert tails off at theend somewhat with a tired bit
about how badly white peopledance.
Most of us know that, but moreoften than not at least us two.
More often than not, eddieMurphy lives up to the concert
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film standards set by the man hecalls his idol, richard Pryor,
and that is high praise.
Indeed, I really liked EddieMurphy raw and I knew that I
would.
He should release, I think, aconcert film every year, because
the parts that are written forhim by and large, with the
exception of 48 hours, reallyhaven't been that good Gene.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I don't think this film deserves comparison to
Richard Pryor in any way,because what Richard Pryor has
is insight and sympathy with thehumanity of the people that
he's making fun of, and that'sthe one thing that's lacking in
this concert film by EddieMurphy.
It's an extremely juvenile film.
The humor is extremely callow.
You talk about his attack onJohnny Carson's wife.
I don't believe anybody can getaway with talking about blacks,
the way that Eddie Murphy talksabout women in this film.
On the basis of what he says inthis film and the way he uses
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the key four-letter word as aclub.
This movie hates and despisesand puts down and rejects women
and sees them only in terms oftheir sexual function?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Not at all.
Yes, it does.
No, no, let me answer.
Let me answer because the filmcomes around and goes right back
and throws it back at men.
Yes, it is more loaded againstwomen than it is against men.
But, roger, where is your senseof humor?
It doesn't come around andthrow it at men either.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It sees everybody in terms of what takes place right
between their belt and theirknees, that's a joke.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
That's the only part of the human being that he's
interested in.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
He's making a joke he doesn't have any interest at
all in their personalities, intheir problems, in their
humanity.
One of their problems is thisis bathroom humor Gene.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And it's very funny.
It's very funny bathroom humor.
It's not that.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
If you think it's funny?
Then maybe you need to grow upalong with Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, roger, that's right, you can both go to
Richard Pryor and learn how tobe a little more mature.
No, let me tell you, it is very, very People who haven't seen
this film are going to agree.
Gee, Roger's right, it shouldbe clean.
It should be clean.
You really play to the audience.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
I'm not playing to the audience and.
I'm not saying it should beclean.
I have nothing againstfour-letter language.
I love it when Richard Pryoruses it.
Richard Pryor uses it as poetry, eddie Murphy uses it as a
bludgeon.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay, I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think Richard Pryor is a getting there I guess if I
was a 40 year old moviereviewer, I'm like eddie murphy
is 27 years old, yeah, when thisthing's released, so he's, he's
doing it.
The term when he's 25, 26, he'stouring, he's an, he become an
international movie star.
So the women are coming likefrom, just from.
The women who are coming afterhim are extremely thirsty.
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Before, at a time, that wasn'teven a word.
So his perception of women hasgot to be skewed, because he's
coming from the projects in NewYork and now he comes to
international star, so women arecoming at him left and right.
So, yeah, if you 20 somethingand you got a bunch of money and
all these women you're livingin.
(31:32):
I think he was living in, like,new Jersey and in LA.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, he was living in Jersey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I'm like the amount of like his perception of
women is not going to be whatRoger Evers is when he's 42
years old.
It's just, it's just not like.
His perception of reality ofwomen is like it's unlike
anything you would you wouldever see, because, like charlie
talked about that and he used tojust make a lap at a club and
drain it like all the womenwould follow him and I'm like,
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yeah, yeah, that would changeyour perspective on women a
little bit it would and like Ithink if we compare delirious
like I won't compare eddiemurphy to richardor I'll compare
Raw to Delirious.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Delirious was more surface.
I feel like Raw was morepersonal.
I felt like he had morepersonal stories, like to be
that, to be as big in his careeras he was at the time talking
about trying to find women, youknow, because that's his main
thing.
That's the whole reason why hemade Coming to America is
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because he's like at the heightof his fame and he's looking for
somebody to trade his life withand he can't because there's so
many different women out to gethim.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I'm a target If I ever get married.
I have to go off to the woodsof Africa and find me some crazy
naked zebra bitch that knowsnothing about money.
She got to be butt naked on azebra with a big bone in her
nose and a big plate lip and abig fucked up afro.
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An afro got to be like AngelaDavis seeing it and go God damn,
that's fucked up.
Afro got to be fucked up in oneof them pics with a fist in the
back and she got to be buttnaked because she got some
clothes she going to pocket, shegoing to have to put something
in the pocket.
So she got to be butt naked ona zebra and y'all think it's a
joke.
Y'all going to go I'm goingallgonna go past the newsstand one
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day and see me on the cover jetwith some woman with a big bone
and a plate and a big fucked upafro butt naked.
You're gonna say hey, eddiemust be visiting africa.
Say murphy marries bush bitch.
I'm gonna be like what, what?
Because I ain't getting caught.
I refuse to get caught outthere.
(33:55):
I ain't fucked that and I'mbringing her home and lock her
up in the house.
You go off to Africa and get youa bush woman.
You can't let her mingle withAmerican women because they'll
change her shit up.
American women stick together.
Last thing they want to see isyou got some trained bush bitch
in your house.
They will catch her by herselfin the kitchen and throw a
monkey wrench in your wholeprogram.
Soon, as they get alone,they'll be like I can't stand it
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.
He'll be running behind himdoing everything he tell you to
do.
Who do you think he is?
You ain't no God.
You're a human being.
He ain't supposed to treatnobody.
This house is too big for oneperson to be cleaning up.
Why money?
Did you know you could takehalf his money?
Did you know that?
Did you know you were tied?
You?
He didn't tell you in time tohave?
Oh, he only told you half thestory.
Then, girl, you can take halfthe money, the car, the house,
the children, all the money hegot you about, all the zebras
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and bones you want.
Go back home and style girl.
You don't have to put up withthis shit and get your hair done
right.
Cut that big afro shit off andgo back home to africa and stop.
Who the hell he think is?
Let me tell you something else.
Hi, eddie, how you doing.
Oh, I didn't know you was here.
You scared me.
I don't know.
I can't stand.
I was just talking to Oomfoofooabout a couple of things.
No, no, no, no, I got to go.
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I got to go.
You two, y'all, two lovebirds.
Talk, eddie, talk to your woman, talk to Oomfoofoo Y'all got a
lot to talk about and leave mein the kitchen with some bush
bitch with an attitude.
Eddie, eddie, I want to talk toyou.
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What's your problem, baby?
I don't like the way you treatme, eddie.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You treat me like animals.
Yeah, that's so what you gonnado.
You know, that's the life youwere living.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, I'm just gonna date Jasmine Guy and you know,
Robin Gibbons is free.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Mm-hmm.
I mean he has a very.
He had a very unusual, has avery unusual life and I know he
wanted to settle down and have afamily.
I think he has like nine kidsor something like that now yeah,
he has more than that oh, more.
Okay, he's at 11 11 to 12 now sonow so he just wanted to be a
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family guy, so have a familyLike that's.
He comes from a big family, soI can see everything from
Eddie's perspective on why hedid stuff the way he did, and it
was more personal.
In Raw he talked about more ofhis struggles.
That's why he talked aboutCarson being like trying to find
a woman when you're this richand famous is just hard, right,
because they're all trying toget something out of you.
(36:32):
That's the perception he had,yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And I think you're right.
I think you touched on itbefore, where you were talking
about how, when you reach heightof fame, you can't relate to
your audience anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Because I think Jamie Foxx said it one time where he
was like anybody out here have aMercedes, oh, I got Mercedes
problems y'all.
Like nobody's going to answeryou back because you're not in
the same tax bracket.
But there is something that hefinds relatable in this special
where it comes to him Jedimind-tricking, mr T.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Did y'all see Delirious In Delirium I was
making fun of a lot ofentertainers too.
That's when I got scaredbecause I did some jokes about
Mr T and Mr T was going to fuckEd up.
I was scared because y'all seeMr T, he don't look like you
know, like he can't fight.
He looks like he can whip someass right.
And I was petrified.
(37:30):
I was walking parties.
People say, yo man, mr T wasjust here looking for you.
He was walking up people sayingI'm gonna whip it him over the
head when I see him.
Then I watched the show, cuz Iknow I didn't know him.
I watched the show to see whatkind of guy he was and the
character on the show ain't toobright.
So I figured if he came up tome I could use the Jedi mind
trick on him.
Mr T, walk up, go.
I heard you did some jokesabout me.
(37:51):
No, you didn't.
Maybe I didn't.
I'ma go beat up the fool thattold me them lies.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Oh yeah.
Or he talks about cheating andhe says the famous catch phrase
it wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Walked in the kitchen and said what the hell was you
doing in that bitch's housetoday?
Know what the man said wasn'tme.
Walked in the kitchen and saidwhat the hell was you doing in
that bitch's house today?
You know what the man saidWasn't me.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I looked right in your face.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Wasn't me.
Well, I'm supposed to be a fool, right?
Hey, wasn't me.
You know what the woman said.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Maybe it wasn't you.
What are some of your?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
favorite bits from this special.
Ooh, I mean obviously theclosing bit, because with the
music stuff I just love that one.
I already talked about theJaddy Carson one about $300
million, like I'm pussy onlayaway.
Those are probably the onesthat stick out the most in my
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mind.
Oh, actually, okay, okay,probably my number one one when
he gets in the fight with Rocky,when he talks about how the
Italians get super geeky aboutit.
Yeah, that thing's killerBecause he's doing the Italian
accent and everything he talksabout the time he gets in a
fight at the club that leads upto his closing bit, the Rocky
thing, because I was a big Rockyfan too.
That bit was killing, that wasjust killing.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I think his storytelling ability is amazing.
I think when it comes to himtalking about the Italians, when
they first see Rocky, and thenit goes into him being at the
discotheque with Danny Terrio,and then it goes to him wanting
that hamburger with the greenpeppers, and then having to call
his mother, and then his motherdon't answer.
His father answers, and he'sdrunk.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Hello, shirley Bitch.
If you ever let my phone ringlike this again, who is it?
Hey, what's wrong with you?
What you crying about, eddie?
What's wrong with you?
What you crying about, eddie?
What's wrong with you?
What you had a fight, lillian,give me a pistol.
Who you have a fight with?
What A disco?
A Danny Terrio.
Fuck you doing Danny Terrio.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for
any comedian ever.
They can't do it.
No one can do that.
If anyone shows up on stageanywhere leather pants, leather,
any, any leather they're likeoh, you're trying to be Eddie
Murphy.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I think any comedian like.
I think they call it theirleather special.
Now I feel like they think theywant to be like Eddie Murphy,
because Eddie Murphy always wearleather in a special, so like
they think they can get some ofthat from him.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And it's like.
It's like you're wearing hisjersey, it's his.
I've never seen anyone do itbefore in stand-up and anyone
after you look like a copycat ofhim.
I would never even try it.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Oh man, this is hilarious.
A couple more facts about thismovie.
This movie has the highestfilth floor and filth count.
They said the word fuck 223times I got a little tidbit.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I remember I think it was Robert Townsend, Robert.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Townsend yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, I don't know if you heard the story where, like
when they shot this movie, theyoriginally gave it like an
NC-17 rating and they had tobring the executives over to
Eddie's house and they had toargue on how many fucks, how
many shits and how manydifferent like curse words.
They had a whole big bargainingthing.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
The studio calls back we big problem.
We showed it to the ratingsboard and they've given it an X
rating.
You have to recut everything.
And Eddie was like, nah, Iain't cutting shit, bullshit,
bullshit.
And so then he goes, I ain'tcutting nothing.
And so then the studio was likelook, eddie, we can't release
an X rated film.
Eddie, they're willing to workwith us, eddie, they're willing
to work with us.
And so then we had to have thisemergency meeting at Eddie's
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house and we have the lawyersfrom Paramount and the lawyers
from the ratings board andthey're all around this long
table in Eddie's house andthey've counted every curse word
in the film, and you know he'sgot a lawyer.
There's 72 motherfuckers, 52bitches, 13 cunts and various,
various cocksuckers.
So let's begin.
And so then, are you takingthat motherfucker?
Are we taking that motherfucker?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
How many motherfuckers for an hour?
Speaker 7 (42:09):
And so we go back and forth, we go back and forth and
we negotiate, and then wefinally get there Line for line.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
You guys had to negotiate, yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
And then Eddie would get upset.
Then Eddie goes like no, no, no, I need that motherfucker.
I give you two bitches and ahoe for that motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I heard it took like a day or two until they're like
OK, fine, we'll give you an Rrating.
The fucks under like 24 fucksor something like that, which is
crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
It's crazy that they had to negotiate that right,
because you got to understand inthe spectrum of things.
And let me just paint thepicture Scarface had already
came out.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, 83.
Yep.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
So the next person to have a higher count was
Goodfellas.
So when you look at it in thespectrum of things, I don't want
to say right shit.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
But it's there.
I mean Scarface is murdering,left and right trafficking
cocaine using cocaine,goodfellas, organized crime,
everyone's getting whacked andit's just Eddie Murphy standing
on stage in leather tellingjokes to an audience.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Because he's swinging the microphone like his penis,
and now you want to give him anX rating.
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
It doesn't make any sense.
And that's what I talk aboutwhen I talk about Eddie Murphy,
and I talk about the criticismthat he gets.
And people on his podcast talkabout this all the time.
But the criticism that he getswhere they say, oh yeah, well,
eddie Murphy just does one thing.
You mean play a whole bunch ofcharacters in a movie yeah, the
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stuff that like no one else canlike.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
If someone plays two people in a movie, they're like
wow, that's amazing.
Like Tom Hardy, two people in amovie, they're like wow, that's
amazing.
Tom Hardy did that in a movie.
In Club of People he's doingfour in one scene.
Just the makeup alone and themannerisms, that's Oscar worthy.
That barbershop scene in.
Coming to America that shouldhave won an Oscar.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Yeah, but they won't let him.
You know what's funny I watchedand I normally take shots at
people, and I'm sorry for takingshots at people, but I watched
zero day one on netflix yeah andzero day zero day.
robert de niro is playing thepresident and the whole time I'm
watching robert de niro playpresident, I'm thinking he's
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about to whack somebody Like Ithink he's from Casino, I think
he's from Goodfellas, I thinkhe's from Godfather.
And then I had to really thinkto myself when have I ever seen
Robert De Niro play somebodybesides a gangster or a cop Like
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I mean he did some like whatwas it?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
It's rare.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
It's real rare, it's rare.
There's Meet the Parents.
Yep and Dirty Grandpa.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
That's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Dirty Grandpa yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And for Dirty Grandpa .
He said in those comedies hedid where he kind of sucked, he
said like he was going through adivorce because his wife had
blew like 150 million dollarstrying to start a coffee company
.
So he took roles he normallywouldn't even take right.
So that whole stretch of likehim doing these weird comedy
stuff that was because he neededdope, exactly so it's, it's
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like.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
It's like we forget that al pacino was in geely.
Yeah, we we forget thatchristopher walken is also in
that movie as well, but weforget that Christopher Walken
is also in that movie as well.
But we forget about the peoplethat we hold high in movies like
and I always say the SteveMartins, the Martin Short, even
Robin Williams.
When you think about RobinWilliams, he's a Juilliard actor
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, yes, and I will never takeaway what he does in drama, but
his comedies oh, he had someterrible bombs.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I mean stuff that just did not connect for years.
There's some RV, one across thecountry, where I was like I
didn't know this thing came out.
It made it to theaters.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It made it to theaters RV Flubber, the list,
club Paradise, the list goes on.
So when I say this because Ijust was talking to another
comedian I was supposed to haveon the show soon they basically
said we want to do a Pluto Nashepisode.
And he was like, oh, wasn'tthat the movie that ruined Eddie
Murphy's career?
And I was like every movie theysaid ruined Eddie Murphy's
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career.
Yeah, you know every movie.
And when I say that, I talkabout the movies like Harlem
Nights, that didn't, that didn'tget favorable reviews.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Which I like that movie a lot Everyone loves that
movie.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
This thing was gentlemen got bad reviews,
boomerang got bad reviews.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I remember hearing about the boomerang that, in my
opinion, might be considered thegreatest all black movie I've
ever seen, in the fact that itgrossed a ton of money and no
white person had more than threelines.
It was all-Black everywhere.
The idea of Eddie, martinLawrence and David Allen we are
friends that's killer.
Then you throw in the factHalle Berry isn't even the
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number one hot chick.
She's the artsy sidekick to thehot chick's movie Hotter Than
Hair.
Her, I'm like what.
And it still worked.
And you got lila rachan in anopen scene with the jacked up
feet, like it's that thing.
That movie is playing johnwitherspoon.
He's doing his bang, bang, bangat the dinner.
That movie is unbelievable.
And I remember reading reviewwhere someone saying eddie must
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live in an alternate universewhere all the all the executives
are black.
I'm like they're in beautyproducts and who cares?
It's a comedy.
Like just let it ride.
Like it's just a.
It's a.
It's a romantic comedy and it'sextremely well done.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
And I don't has there been like a major black
romantic comedy since since yes,but not, I want to say
boomerang was one of the firstof his kind I say it all the
time because, like, if you thinkabout what we call a romantic
comedy per se, there weren'tthat many.
(48:12):
When it came to black people, Ithink the only movie that
predates a quote unquoteromantic comedy is strictly
business.
Oh, okay, all right, I thinkI'm not sure, cause I had this
conversation with our friendDarian before, where I was
trying to figure out like isboomerang like the first
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romantic comedy, and if you forblack people and if you think
about it, it's not like the onlymovie that predates that is
like Claudine and that's not acomedy.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, you know, I mean she's got to have it.
I don't think it's a comedy,but it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Oh, I didn't know, it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Exactly, and that's a whole racial thing.
I'll say real quick, because wewere on this, I'll probably
edit it out, but I feel thatwhen it comes to black people
for for for white people todigest an all-black cast, they
have to make it a comedy eitherthey have to make it a comedy,
or they have to make it slaveryoh, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
I make it slavery.
Oh, one thousand percent.
A little side note here.
I read a book by M NightShyamalan where he talked about
his kind of coming up in theindustry and he said he met with
a high level executive on theWarner Brothers or somewhere and
he asked him why is it that wedon't get like a crossover of
black people or brown people tocross over to an audience unless
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it's comedy?
Like Eddie Murphy, an executive, without batting an eye, said
well, in order for the crossoverin a non-comedic way, white
people have to see themselves inthat person's shoes.
Laughter is innate If it'sfunny, bang.
So that's why Eddie Murphycrossover, why it's way more
harder for someone like Denzelto crossover.
And he basically broke it downLike that's why we'll do black
comedies.
We're not going to do big blackdramas or romantic comedies
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Like they wouldn't really do it.
They want to say either dramaside, like you said, slavery or
flat out comedy.
That's it, Cause they don'tthink white people to see
themselves in black people'sshoes.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I yeah, I think that's why.
Reason why?
Because you know, and I thinkthat's when it started to,
because when they remember whenthe whole Sony leak happened and
they were talking about, youknow, denzel was one of the
people.
How come Denzel doesn'ttranslate more than Will Smith?
(50:31):
And you know, it was mostlybecause of the comedies.
But you know, if you look atthe Equalizer movies, the third
Equalizer movie takes place inItaly.
It's mostly in Italian, I know,because I had the bootleg and
there was no subtitles.
It's an Italian film to me butit makes a lot of sense.
(50:53):
It's weird.
And it's crazy because when youget to a person like Eddie
Murphy, he's one of the first tocross over, like that.
I mean, you had richard pryorand I'm no disrespect to richard
pryor whatsoever, he's a geniusbut his movies never translated
no, not the ones where he'sstarring, not the ones where
he's starting.
(51:13):
Yeah, yeah, jojo dance is notplaying in China.
No.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Like, like, like Eddie Murphy movies, those 80s
movies he was.
He went to China, he went toAustralia, he went everywhere.
People knew who Eddie Murphywas, period.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
He was as big as Michael Jackson was.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
You know.
So it's, it's.
I don't, I don't know.
Maybe, man, I can go on all daytalking about this.
I don't know, man, I can go onall day talking about this.
If you were to give a top fiveof stand-up specials, where
would Eddie Murphy Raw rank.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Okay, so my number one, as still, is Richard Pryor,
live in concert.
I think it's 79 at Torrance, 79, yeah, the gold shoes I might
be gold shoes, but I rememberthe red silk top, red's for you.
That's probably the best one,because I knew that was one take
and he basically the opening 10minutes.
He basically gives away deathjokes.
He just talks to the audienceas people are coming back.
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It's brilliant that one quietly.
Bill Cosby himself.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I love Bill Cosby himself, I love.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Bill Cosby himself.
That's a great one.
Then I'd probably take thefirst or second from Chris Rock.
Bring the Painter Bigger andBlacker and I could easily slide
Raw or Delirious right in there.
In that top five I'll probablypick one Chappelle, that's
probably why that's kind of mytop five.
(52:39):
So, like Raw, I could haveanywhere from three or four to
maybe seven.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Yeah, Before I let you go, I have to know what are
your top five Eddie Murphy films.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Ooh, okay.
Top five Eddie Murphy.
This is going to be in noparticular order.
Okay, I got 48 hours.
Okay, I'm not includingstand-up specials.
Yeah, you don't have to.
Coming to America Still loveBoomerang Life.
I loved him in Dolomite, I wantto put that up there because
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that performance was.
It was just great as far asfilms for him him as Thunder,
whatever.
He should have won the Oscarfor Dreamgirls.
He should have got that, butthat wasn't his film, so I'm not
going to include that, but Iwant to put that Dolomite in it.
I thought that was just a greatjob.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
Can you just explain to the audience how Dolomite
affects creatives?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I don't know how much time you got.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
It's literally.
I mean first of all an argument.
Remember James Brown, one ofthe first rappers.
He combined comedy and music,probably one of the first people
who, like his albums, wereselling independently.
He was basically like, imagineif you had eddie murphy he never
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did tv and you had like cashmoney records before they got a
deal.
He basically combined both ofthose to drop these albums that
were selling like hot cakes.
So he kind of pushed theindependent scene for both sides
and he got screwed over becauseI met one of the guys who
managed a catalog and he saiddolomite wasn't getting nowhere
near what he was supposed to begetting.
He was getting pennies on thedollar so he had to deal with
that too.
So basically he dealt with theworst parts of hollywood and the
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music industry.
But like basically old, dirtybastard.
You could say it's a derivativeof him, a lot of official ig
bomb.
You could say it's like aspin-off of that, like his.
I mean, red fox is kind of, atleast the character on sanford
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is kind of a similar ish.
So like dolomite, what I'd sayis ubiquitous everywhere in some
way, shape or form thatindependent hustle, grind, knock
it out and not listen to peoplewho don't know what to like,
just do it yourself, the wholedo-it-yourself movement, like
wu-tang I didn't have a wu-tangalbum or like you're gonna take
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all these people, put ittogether and put it out.
Who are these guys?
That was the kind of samehustling side of kind of grind
that dolomite had yeah, and Ilove that.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
I love the way they portrayed all of that in the
movie as well.
Like for for.
When you watch a movie likebecause for for years I've known
who dolomite is, I've known,like, I've seen him in pop
culture, he's in, they talkabout him in the movie House
Party, you've seen his Def Jamappearance but to really know
what his story is, when youwatch that Don't Mind my Name
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movie, you realize this is a manthat got the door pushed in his
face every chance he got and hehad to go independent.
He had to go this way just tomake a name for himself.
And it speaks to creatives, tocomedians, to actors, to
everybody who gets doors slammedin their face and you have to
turn around and put out you knoworiginal product, kind of like
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a short film that's coming outthis summer yes, that's a great
tie in there.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
It probably title spangled.
That'll be me, darian darianphilip evans directing it.
Yeah, this spring, summer, beout there definitely.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Can you please tell the people where they can find
you?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I'll be in chicago.
I've got a show later thismonth, tight ship, so I'll be
around chicago area doingstand-up.
I also got music dropping theboldy singles out to yushi
adined I have a followup withthat should be out sometime in
June with another single withSir Michael rocks from cool kids
in Chicago and I think uh,Chris crack should have some
singles on there too.
(56:46):
So this summer I have some newmusic out too.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
Oh dope.
Well, I thank you for doingthis.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I think the people listening.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Anytime, man, anytime you want to come back on, just
let me know you know we'retrying to.
We're trying to push out thelast couple of films but you
know, anytime you want to talkabout a movie that I've done
already, I'm open word, I'm opento talk about this stuff.
But definitely thank you forbeing here, thank the audience
for listening and, as always, bekind to others.
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God bless you and good night.
Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for
any comedian ever.
They can't, they can't do it,no one can do it.
If anyone shows up on stageanywhere, leather pants, any
leather, they're like oh, you'retrying to be Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Mom, I got a joke.
Shh Little Eddie got a joke totell Go Eddie, I got a joke to
tell Westie was a lion and amonkey.
And the monkey said I can makethe weather change.
The lion said, no, you can't.
So the monkey started climbingup the tree and then he started
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peeing on the lion's head.
No, it's raining.
Then he started farting.
Now there's thunder.
Then he started tootling, Nowit's snowing.
(01:09):
So the lion said oh yeah, well,I can make the stars come out.
Then he kicked them in the dingding.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Doo doo lad, that boy's got talent.
Hey y'all, we are back.
Welcome to another episode ofthe Murphy Monday podcast, the
only podcast that celebrates thelife and career of Eddie Murphy
(01:48):
.
I'm your host, nigel AFullerton.
This week we have one of thewriters for the Eric Andre show.
He's also one of the comediansyou should know.
He's produced songs for BoldyJames, the Cool Kids.
He has a new stand-up specialthat's coming out this summer
called Spangled.
Ladies and gentlemen, give itup for Haji Outlaw.
This week's episode, we discussthe differences between Eddie
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Murphy Delirious and EddieMurphy Raw.
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Tell an Eddie Murphy fan too.
Tell an Eddie Murphy fan thatyou love this podcast and, with
all hearts and minds clear,let's start this show previously
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previously previously on themurphy monday podcast.
What was your first introductionto eddie murphy?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
oh man, I'm so glad you brought this up.
It's funny.
I just told somebody that storyrecently.
I'm 47 years old.
It happened when I was 13.
Every day I watch TV.
I see the promo for Raw and I'mlike, yeah, that's in the
movies.
You mean like a movie movie,like a downtown Brooklyn movie.
So I found out.
(03:04):
I looked in the newspaper, Ilooked, I got myself a daily
news.
I looked in the newspapersection where the movies used to
be and I saw that that shit wasplaying downtown at the, at the
.
It wasn't a duffield.
The duffield was on duffieldplace, around the corner from
fulton mall, but it was playingon fulton, around the corner
from from j street, where nowthere's a church, but it used to
be a movie theater.
(03:24):
My mom gave me $60 to get thenew Nikes and I was like, fuck
them Nikes, I'm going to get mesome cheap sneakers and go see
the movie with some of the money.
I creep over to the movietheater.
It's about 1 o'clock in theafternoon and there's this young
chick in the box office.
I guess she's an older teenagerand I was like one for Raw
(03:46):
please.
And she was like and she gaveme the ticket and I was out.
She didn't even and I know Ilook young for my age she was
just like, well, I guess he'ssupposed to be here.
She gave me the fucking ticket,didn't give me any hassle.
This is an R-rated movie.
Yeah, I went in there.
It's an R-rated movie.
Yeah, I went in there.
I ran to the theater because Ididn't want no popcorn, I want
nobody seeing me, I want noreason to kick me out, right?
(04:09):
So I ran in the movie theater.
I had food on me anyway, yeah,and I watched this fucking movie
he opened up with I would liketo talk to you.
I said he's trashing Bill Cosby.
This is awesome.
I've been watching the Cosbyshow.
(04:33):
I had watched Bill Cosbyhimself.
It's like King Kong versusGodzilla almost it was crazy.
I was just like.
And then he started talkingabout sex and when you're young,
you get your shoulders in thefucking.
What are these things?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
We've been waiting for a long time.
Yes, we've been waiting for along, long time.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Good morning, my neighbor.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Jesus Christ.
This is becoming veryirritating.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think I was nine years old when Raw came out and
so I asked my mom.
I was like, hey, mom, can we gosee Raw?
And my mom like Richard Pryor,so she knew what Eddie was going
to be talking about, she waslike, no, no, you're entirely
too young to watch this.
But that next weekend I waswith my dad.
So I asked my dad.
I'm like, hey, dad, can we gosee Eddie Murphy Raw?
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I don't know if he just didn'tcare or if he didn't know, but
he told me to go see him at nineyears old.
So first five minutes of themovie, you know, with Lil' Lop
we got like, who's it?
Like Rudy from the Cosby Show?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
and Bud.
Yeah, bud Bud.
Tatiana Lee's in there.
Yeah, yeah, a couple otherpeople yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, so that part, like I, was cool.
But as he starts talking, Iremember like 15 minutes into it
I remember looking over at mydad and being like I should not
be watching this.
And the biggest thing Iremember for that as a kid I
remember when Eddie Mercerdescribed how he's got to get a
woman who's buck naked on ahorse and I remember saying to
myself I can picture that.
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That's good, that's a good one,eddie, that's a good one.
I was like I got in trouble forthat Because my mom was like I
told you not to go see it.
My dad said anyway.
So that was one of the firsttimes I got in trouble for
something.
Man, was that like your firstintroduction to Eddie Murphy?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
As far as like full-on stand-up besidesL was
probably the first time, or just.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I've been in SNL seeing something like either
James Brown, you know, hot TubSkit or something like that.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's funny because a lot of people's first
introductions like very it'seither very tame or very like
awkward.
So like you, for you it waslike Saturday Night Live, then
Raw, for me it was Golden Child.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
That was like my first, because it's the first
one that was pg13, like it wasthe only.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, because trading places and everything
everything else was rated r yeah, even even though it was cop
everything except for okay, yeahyeah, and like my dad used to
dress like eddie murphy didn'tknow back then now like, as I
see, like the skinny tie, thejet, like everything.
So it's amazing how EddieMurphy influences people.
Do you feel like you'reinfluenced by Eddie Murphy at
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any point?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
oh, uh, easily.
I mean, first of all he was sofunny because, like, as a
performer he's great, but thenin impersonations he's lights
out and I remember seeing himjust being like there's no way I
could do what that guy's doingever.
But like he's great.
But then in impersonations he'slights out and I remember
seeing him just being likethere's no way I could do what
that guy's doing ever, but likehe's like to me.
He has the best 10 year run incomedy I've ever seen like 81
through 91.
No one's come close to that run.
We had television a lot, standup a lot and movies a lot.
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So he's like the pinnacle oflike being funny.
And I'll tell you another funnystory.
It was I was writing forHannibal.
He was doing a show on comedycentral.
We're writing jokes for him tocome up there and it was some.
Someone had a joke that wasgoing to be like making fun of
Eddie Murphy, something with atransgender or something like
that.
And I remember being like me,being like, nah, I can't, I
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ain't doing that to Eddie.
And Hannibal looked at me andhe's like, nah, i'm't doing that
to Eddie.
And Anibal, looking at me, islike no, I'm not doing that joke
.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
He's like yeah, like no, I'm not doing that joke.
Bill Cosby yes.
Eddie Murphy no.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Exactly, yeah, cosby all day.
Yeah, knock that out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not Eddie Nah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You know there's some people that are raw guys and
some people who delirious guy.
So you a raw guy or deliriousguy?
Oh I mean, I love both.
I put them easily top at leastone of them's top seven
stand-ups ever.
I think delirious might be alittle tighter because his fame
at raw was like nearing its peak, like like it's, like it's.
He talked about that.
I think he retired fromstand-up like a year or two
after he had to yeah, he wasjust too big.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
He was at the top of his game, like, like, as you
re-watch raw right, you get to apoint where you think about
he's 27, 28 years old.
You know, I'm saying he'swearing leather outfits.
He's at the peak of his career.
You've got people screamingeddie, eddie.
Like that, right, there is likehow you leave on top, like
there's no way, like if he wasto get back on stage, like after
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that moment, it'd probably belike there's a difference
between live and Sunset Stripand here and now.
Yeah.
And I'm talking about RichardPryor specials, but you know
what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, like his fame had just gotten so big.
He talked about that.
It's hard for him to like gaugeif jokes are working because
he's such a star Peoplescreaming his name when he's
doing new material it's hard forhim to gauge is this working or
is it just the fame of how bighe is?
Because even Richard Pryor wasbig but he wasn't the number one
box office smash.
Beverly Hills Cop.
(10:01):
That was the number one R-ratedcomedy movie until the Hangover
2,.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I want to say yeah, I think so yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's like what 30 years.
So his star power is thehighest you'll probably ever see
.
So to do stand-up, which youkind of got to be somewhat of
like a working man and leadsomewhat, he was way past that
and his whole life.
The leather outfits you look athis wives, ex-wives everyone's
(10:29):
dropped dead gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's crazy, because I'm a Delirious guy I actually
saw Raw first.
I think, that's why, I'm aDelirious guy, mostly because
Delirious was like I rememberseeing it like in the video
store, and it was like him inthe red leather outfit I'm like,
oh, what's this?
I've never seen this before andit was like an HBO special that
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nobody really knew.
So Raw was like the firstconcert special I seen.
And then I went back toDelirious.
So for me I love Raw, but Ihave a special, special thing
for like delirious for like themost part.
But yeah, this is um.
This is basically.
We're here to talk about the1987 film concert film, eddie
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murphy raw, which I've beenwanting to talk about for like
past couple of years.
I haven't gotten to it.
And this I I said when I sawyou on set I was like this is
the perfect time to do it.
I was like let's get into it,because I really want to talk
about the things I didn'trealize, especially in that
intro that you were talkingabout before, where you have a
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young Samuel L Jackson.
I love that doo-doo line.
That boy's got talent.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh, I forgot about that.
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You have Bud from the Cosby Show Satyaan Ali.
And what I didn't notice.
I don't know if you noticedthis Damian Dante Wayans is one
of the kids in there runningaround.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I had no idea.
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I just figured that out.
Leonard jackson, who played thescientist in boomerang, the one
yeah, the one she threw his herpanties at him.
Yeah, and he was so disgusting.
He's in the film playing eddiemurphy's uncle and then playing
eddie murphy's father.
You're not gonna believe this.
He was in the movie Mark forDeath as Screwface.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh, okay, I remember that.
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, allright.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
It's an amazing start for a concert film.
Now, like before this this film, there weren't a lot of concert
films.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, certainly wasn't for anyone black.
I mean, I don't think anyonehad done, because I think that
wasn't.
It wasn't it at master squaregarden?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
it was at master square garden.
The only person that I know toactually do a concert film
stand-up concert film wasrichard pryor and strike the
match like this what's thatrichardryor running down the
street?
I looked this up and thehighest grossing concert film
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we're talking music and moviesis Taylor Swift.
Right, she's number one.
Number two is Justin Bieber andthis is highest grossing
concert films Three HannahMontana, miley Cyrus, four One
Direction and the fifth one isEddie Murphy Raw.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Still.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Still.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I made a killing.
I made a killing on that thing,man, because Raw didn't cost me
.
It couldn't have cost nothingcompared to all those musical
ones, just the cost on it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It couldn't, because I actually watched an interview
with Robert Townsend and he saidthey only did two shoots.
They only shot twice.
How many?
Speaker 7 (13:51):
shows.
Did you shoot Two At theParamount Theater in Madison
Square Garden?
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You, at nine years old, trying to figure out what a
butt-making lady on a horsemeant and something shooting
fire at your dick.
Excuse me, doc, what does itmean when?
Speaker 5 (14:09):
you go to the bathroom and fire, shoot out
your dick.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I know a lot of it just went right over my head.
It was just cool to see EddieMurphy on a big screen and then
some stuff actually hit me, likethe this closing bit when, if
he's doing like his dad or hisuncle doing the mess up song,
nothing from nothing to nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I do something motherfucker punch you in the
mouth.
I know you wanna leave.
I got one of those father getsdrunk and sings old Motown songs
to you in his argument andfucks up all the lyrics and
think he's saying it rightbefore.
I know you're gonna leave me,but I refuse to let you go.
Lillian, the lyrics and thinkhe's saying it right but going.
I know you're going to leave me, but I refuse to let you go,
lillian.
What did you do?
No, don't tell me nothing.
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Nobody gets punched for nothing.
What, eddie?
Don't tell no, no, don't saynothing.
Eddie, nothing from nothingleaves nothing.
Had to do something.
Motherfucker.
Punch you in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That stuff I would get, but like some of the stuff,
like it would just go over myhead.
I do remember he talked aboutJohnny Carson, because I watched
Carson.
He talked about how like his exgot like $300 million and he's
like he's like ain't no pussyworth $300 million.
I'd like I'd put it on layaway,like that stuff.
I was like okay, okay, I getthat I've had my share of pussy.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I have.
Yet, even if the pussy wasgreat and spark shot out the
woman's ass and cannons bled andthe mountains crumbled and the
seeds roared.
No pussy is worth 150 milliondollars.
No pussy, no pussy.
I like to meet some pussy likethat.
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Put the shit on layaway.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But, like I'd say, 70% of it was just like okay, I
have no idea what he's doinghere.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
You know it is crazy.
But you know what also is crazy?
Like for me, the, I guess, theimpressions.
I guess for me not not beingable to.
I've never saw a delirious.
So before this I didn't knowthat he could do impressions
like that.
So for me I didn't know hecould do Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Perfectly, and this is like one of the first people
to actually do.
Now it's kind of hacky, butback then it was, you know,
cosby, he did Cosby, then he didPryor.
Then you're like holy yo, whatis going on?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I would like to talk to you about some of the things
that you do in your job.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
You cannot say filth, flarn filth, flarn filth in
front of people.
And I said I never said nofilth flarnaring filth in front
of people.
And I said I never said nofilth flaring filth.
He says you know what I'mtalking about.
I can't use the type oflanguage that you use, but you
know what I mean when I sayfilth flaring, flaring, flaring
filth.
And I said I never said nofilth flaring filth and I don't
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know what you're talking about.
I'm offended that you calledfuck you.
And that's when Bill got pissedand said that's what I'm
talking about.
You cannot say fuck In front ofpeople.
And I got mad.
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I was so mad I called RichardPryor's house up and said yo,
richard, bill Cosby just calledme up and told me I was too
dirty.
And Richard said the next timea motherfucker called tell him.
I said suck my dick.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's like his superpower, like he can write
stuff, be a great performer, butwhen you do impressions, that
thing translates everywhere andhe's dead on.
Like you watch him later oneven go back to Lyric.
There's a scene where hisbrother yells out from the
audience.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I'm winded I'm out of breath, I'm sweating and shit.
Thank you, y'all didn't know Iwas a ventriloquist too.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And it's like oh my God.
And he says like y'all didn'tknow I could throw my voice or
something like that.
I'm like, oh my God, if you'veseen him do his impression of
Charlie Murphy, it'sunbelievable.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
His impression of Charlie Murphy is amazing, I
mean if you ever see the movieTower of Ice?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
that's all Charlie Murphy.
I think we were talking aboutthat.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, I didn't realize that was all Charlie,
but it makes sense that is thebest Charlie Murphy impression
he's ever done Questions yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Who's that girl in the red dress?
She got the kind of titties Ilike to play with.
That's.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Marianne from Sales.
She's a lesbian.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, I'm lost.
Like, how many lesbians totaldo we have to avoid?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
None, we're not avoiding lesbians.
I don't avoid lesbians at all.
I seek lesbians out.
Lesbians get touched delicatelyby other lesbians.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's just amazing, like watching this piece of film
, this work, bit by bit, line byline.
He starts off talking aboutwhat he did in Delirious and
then brings it to the nowcontroversial his, his bit about
gay people.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh, it opened a bit too.
When you go back, I remember Iwas in college when I first got
to see Delirious, because I'dseen I said I'd seen Raw.
But in college I was at FAMUand my first meet we didn't have
cable.
All we had was, like I think, aVHS of Damon Wayans and Major
Payne and Eddie Murphy deliriousso we watched the crap out of
(20:29):
that and I was like sittingthere being like even in college
.
I was like wow, I didn't knowyou could even open up your
whole set.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
I did die jokes about homosexuals about a couple
years ago and faggots were mad.
They were like, and they were.
It's nothing like having anation of fags looking for you.
I'd be at parties.
There's always two or threehomosexuals at a party and
they'd be standing aroundlooking at you.
They'd be looking at you.
He's an asshole.
(21:01):
I can't travel the countryfreely, no more.
I can't go to San Francisco.
They got a 24 hour homo watchwaiting for me in there for them
.
As soon as I got off the plane,they be like he's here.
Yes, yes, it's him, yes, it'shim.
And the cars that come rushingacross town be woo, woo, woo,
woo, woo, and there won't be nosiren.
(21:23):
It'll be a real fag sitting onthe roof going woo, woo, woo,
woo, woo, woo, woo woo and itwon't be no siren, be real
flexing on the roof.
Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woowoo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo say,cannon will be here to get you
in the court of law.
You had right to in the turn.
(21:43):
Now turn around.
I'm going to frisk you.
Are you carrying any concealedweapons?
Are you carrying what is this?
What is this?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I don't know how raw you want to get with like
literally on the order it saysnumber one facts.
That's his first bit yeah and Iwas like wow.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
On the albums, yeah, that's.
And then there's one albumthat's just revisited.
Wow, Like it was so hot, youknow big, that you had to
revisit.
Like, come on, it's, it's.
We laugh at it now but like inthis day and age and since then
he's actually apologized forthose jokes oh, yeah, yeah.
(22:25):
And now a lot of people thinkthat censorship is a thing now.
Do you think censorship iswhat's hurting comedy or what?
What's helping comedy?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I don't know if it's hurting or helping.
I would say that it's reallylike the big corporations
they're just scared.
They're just scared to likeanyone who has anything
controversial or can beperceived as controversial.
They're worried about losingfan base and losing money.
So it's really not necessarilythe comedians who are scared to
do stuff.
It's mainly like thecorporation are like well, we
(22:54):
don't want to touch, we don'twant to touch Dave Chappelle, or
we don't want to have peoplewho are going to do
controversial stuff.
So now you see a bunch of kindof homogenized safe jokes around
certain areas.
So it's I'd say it's more of acorporate culture, because now
the Internet's so fast.
You say something and bang,bang, bang.
All of a sudden you're goingviral Something you said two
(23:16):
years ago, 10 years ago, andyou're going to lose jobs.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, I think it's.
I think it's twofold, I think.
Like I think for the first partof it, you know, have we become
too safe?
Have we?
Have we been doing safe jokes?
I think, for the people whofeel that everything's too
quote-unquote censored now, Ithink that they need to write
better jokes.
Oh, yeah, and what I mean bythat is, like you know, there's
(23:44):
certain things like we'retalking about with and we use
the F word and I'm sorry forpeople who are offended by the F
word, but we use that wordsparingly only because that's
what the bit was called buttrying to do that same joke now,
in 2025, it's like come on,everybody has done that joke, so
(24:04):
now what are we going to do toelevate the joke?
I think when things areactually super funny, you can't
cancel it.
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I think that's it.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think that that's the thing.
So like, even if you're afraidof, like people getting mad at
you or whatever, I think if youmake it funny enough, you
elevate it to a point where,like okay, like it's funny, you
can't debate it.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, I mean I say like, like Bill Burr does, that
He'll take some kind of daringareas and he'll make it super
funny.
He's a really great writer,great comedian, but then he
still gets some flack online forit.
But he just he just in general,he just doesn't care Right.
So that's the thing where, likeyou, if you're going to take a
sensitive area, your writing andyour delivery needs to be
(24:52):
really, really good.
You can't just kind of do stuffthat like, oh, five years ago
this was fine.
It needs to be elevated and bebetter.
That's the thing I think somecomedians are like I won't say
lazy, but you get comfortabledoing a bit and like why isn't
this working anymore?
Well, society's kind of movedaway from that, so it needs to
be a little more nuanced, alittle more slick in order to
(25:13):
get the same laughs you got twoyears ago.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Do you think that's what keeps Eddie Murphy back
from going on stage?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, honestly.
I mean I know he really enjoysacting.
He really enjoys being justbeing an artist.
I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone
from Boys to Men was saying likehe can play Tchaikovsky on the
piano like he's just a an artist.
I just saw a recent thing where, like I think it was, someone
from Boys to Men was saying likehe can play Tchaikovsky on the
piano Like he's just a greatartist.
So I think acting keeps himhoned in.
So I don't think that stoppedhim from doing standup.
But I think standup is such apure thing the way he left.
I think after a certain coupleof years you got to be like
(25:53):
there's no point to coming backunless it's just a money grab
and he don't need no money.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Some people would disagree with you.
Really, yeah, because a lot ofpeople.
The criticism about EddieMurphy is that he's doing these
things for money.
So, for instance, every moviethat you've seen in the past 10,
20 years, they've said, oh,it's just a money grab for eddie
murphy because he thinks, youknow, oh, bibbler hill's cop
(26:20):
four, oh, that's a money grab.
Coming to america, that's amoney grab.
That's what they've been sayingabout every sequel that eddie
murphy has put out in the past20 years.
Yeah, all right, I don't think.
I mean, I don't agree with them.
I think that I think that wewant to see Eddie at his highest
(26:40):
light and for us it's basicallythe movies that we grown to
love that when we first met him.
So, like, if he did a raw too,it's only because the people
asked for it.
The reasons why he did aBiblios cop two, three, because
the people asked for it, thereasons why he did a Biblios cop
two, three, four is because thepeople asked for it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, same thing with the coming to America, and like
the coming to America too wasbumpy.
I remember it got panned alittle bit, but I was like it's
like pure nostalgia.
It's basically like takingeverything from the first one
and just flipping it up a littlebit for the sequel.
So it's like a pure nostalgiafilm and I'm like, oh, I get
that, because you're basicallyjust saying they've been asking
for this sequel for a long time.
(27:16):
We're going to give you thatsame feeling, but just a little
bit of nuance for the newgeneration.
And that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
That's exactly what he did.
That's the same way, samesentiment, same exact thing that
I feel when it comes to that,because it's like I had to do it
on this podcast, like I had tothese movies I had to talk about
.
I had to talk about coming toAmerica.
I had to talk about BeverlyHills, cop 4 and the backlash
behind it.
And, granted, most of EddieMurphy's movies have had bad
(27:47):
reviews, really yes, most ofthem.
If you look at, the only moviesthat didn't get panned were
probably Beverly Hills Cop stillhas a favorable rating I got
like 63% but for the most part,trading Places has favorable
ratings.
48 Hours has favorable ratings.
Bowfinger has favorable ratingsReally Okay, every one of those
(28:11):
movies has had bad ratings.
From the movies that you love,you can name it, even this movie
right here, eddie Murphy Raw, Ihave like some of the reviews
from it.
I went to Cisco and Ebert, whowere the top critics of the 80s.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Stop it.
There's not a lot more that wecan show you of Eddie Murphy Raw
without you hearing more bleepsthan words.
He's foul, but very funnytalking in brutally honest,
comedic terms about sex andmarriage.
The concert tails off at theend somewhat with a tired bit
about how badly white peopledance.
Most of us know that, but moreoften than not at least us two.
More often than not, eddieMurphy lives up to the concert
(28:50):
film standards set by the man hecalls his idol, richard Pryor,
and that is high praise.
Indeed, I really liked EddieMurphy raw and I knew that I
would.
He should release, I think, aconcert film every year, because
the parts that are written forhim by and large, with the
exception of 48 hours, reallyhaven't been that good Gene.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I don't think this film deserves comparison to
Richard Pryor in any way,because what Richard Pryor has
is insight and sympathy with thehumanity of the people that
he's making fun of, and that'sthe one thing that's lacking in
this concert film by EddieMurphy.
It's an extremely juvenile film.
The humor is extremely callow.
You talk about his attack onJohnny Carson's wife.
I don't believe anybody can getaway with talking about blacks,
the way that Eddie Murphy talksabout women in this film.
On the basis of what he says inthis film and the way he uses
(29:34):
the key four-letter word as aclub.
This movie hates and despisesand puts down and rejects women
and sees them only in terms oftheir sexual function?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Not at all.
Yes, it does.
No, no, let me answer.
Let me answer because the filmcomes around and goes right back
and throws it back at men.
Yes, it is more loaded againstwomen than it is against men.
But, roger, where is your senseof humor?
It doesn't come around andthrow it at men either.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
It sees everybody in terms of what takes place right
between their belt and theirknees, that's a joke.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
That's the only part of the human being that he's
interested in.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
He's making a joke he doesn't have any interest at
all in their personalities, intheir problems, in their
humanity.
One of their problems is thisis bathroom humor Gene.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
And it's very funny.
It's very funny bathroom humor.
It's not that.
Speaker 8 (30:18):
If you think it's funny?
Then maybe you need to grow upalong with Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, roger, that's right, you can both go to
Richard Pryor and learn how tobe a little more mature.
No, let me tell you, it is very, very People who haven't seen
this film are going to agree.
Gee, Roger's right, it shouldbe clean.
It should be clean.
You really play to the audience.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
I'm not playing to the audience and.
I'm not saying it should beclean.
I have nothing againstfour-letter language.
I love it when Richard Pryoruses it.
Richard Pryor uses it as poetry, eddie Murphy uses it as a
bludgeon.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Okay, I disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I think Richard Pryor is a getting there I guess if I
was a 40 year old moviereviewer, I'm like eddie murphy
is 27 years old, yeah, when thisthing's released, so he's, he's
doing it.
The term when he's 25, 26, he'stouring, he's an, he become an
international movie star.
So the women are coming likefrom, just from.
The women who are coming afterhim are extremely thirsty.
(31:12):
Before, at a time, that wasn'teven a word.
So his perception of women hasgot to be skewed, because he's
coming from the projects in NewYork and now he comes to
international star, so women arecoming at him left and right.
So, yeah, if you 20 somethingand you got a bunch of money and
all these women you're livingin.
(31:32):
I think he was living in, like,new Jersey and in LA.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, he was living in Jersey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I'm like the amount of like his perception of
women is not going to be whatRoger Evers is when he's 42
years old.
It's just, it's just not like.
His perception of reality ofwomen is like it's unlike
anything you would you wouldever see, because, like charlie
talked about that and he used tojust make a lap at a club and
drain it like all the womenwould follow him and I'm like,
(31:58):
yeah, yeah, that would changeyour perspective on women a
little bit it would and like Ithink if we compare delirious
like I won't compare eddiemurphy to richardor I'll compare
Raw to Delirious.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Delirious was more surface.
I feel like Raw was morepersonal.
I felt like he had morepersonal stories, like to be
that, to be as big in his careeras he was at the time talking
about trying to find women, youknow, because that's his main
thing.
That's the whole reason why hemade Coming to America is
(32:33):
because he's like at the heightof his fame and he's looking for
somebody to trade his life withand he can't because there's so
many different women out to gethim.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I'm a target If I ever get married.
I have to go off to the woodsof Africa and find me some crazy
naked zebra bitch that knowsnothing about money.
She got to be butt naked on azebra with a big bone in her
nose and a big plate lip and abig fucked up afro.
(33:07):
An afro got to be like AngelaDavis seeing it and go God damn,
that's fucked up.
Afro got to be fucked up in oneof them pics with a fist in the
back and she got to be buttnaked because she got some
clothes she going to pocket, shegoing to have to put something
in the pocket.
So she got to be butt naked ona zebra and y'all think it's a
joke.
Y'all going to go I'm goingallgonna go past the newsstand one
(33:34):
day and see me on the cover jetwith some woman with a big bone
and a plate and a big fucked upafro butt naked.
You're gonna say hey, eddiemust be visiting africa.
Say murphy marries bush bitch.
I'm gonna be like what, what?
Because I ain't getting caught.
I refuse to get caught outthere.
(33:55):
I ain't fucked that and I'mbringing her home and lock her
up in the house.
You go off to Africa and get youa bush woman.
You can't let her mingle withAmerican women because they'll
change her shit up.
American women stick together.
Last thing they want to see isyou got some trained bush bitch
in your house.
They will catch her by herselfin the kitchen and throw a
monkey wrench in your wholeprogram.
Soon, as they get alone,they'll be like I can't stand it
(34:18):
.
He'll be running behind himdoing everything he tell you to
do.
Who do you think he is?
You ain't no God.
You're a human being.
He ain't supposed to treatnobody.
This house is too big for oneperson to be cleaning up.
Why money?
Did you know you could takehalf his money?
Did you know that?
Did you know you were tied?
You?
He didn't tell you in time tohave?
Oh, he only told you half thestory.
Then, girl, you can take halfthe money, the car, the house,
the children, all the money hegot you about, all the zebras
(34:39):
and bones you want.
Go back home and style girl.
You don't have to put up withthis shit and get your hair done
right.
Cut that big afro shit off andgo back home to africa and stop.
Who the hell he think is?
Let me tell you something else.
Hi, eddie, how you doing.
Oh, I didn't know you was here.
You scared me.
I don't know.
I can't stand.
I was just talking to Oomfoofooabout a couple of things.
No, no, no, no, I got to go.
(34:59):
I got to go.
You two, y'all, two lovebirds.
Talk, eddie, talk to your woman, talk to Oomfoofoo Y'all got a
lot to talk about and leave mein the kitchen with some bush
bitch with an attitude.
Eddie, eddie, I want to talk toyou.
(35:29):
What's your problem, baby?
I don't like the way you treatme, eddie.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You treat me like animals.
Yeah, that's so what you gonnado.
You know, that's the life youwere living.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, I'm just gonna date Jasmine Guy and you know,
Robin Gibbons is free.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Mm-hmm.
I mean he has a very.
He had a very unusual, has avery unusual life and I know he
wanted to settle down and have afamily.
I think he has like nine kidsor something like that now yeah,
he has more than that oh, more.
Okay, he's at 11 11 to 12 now sonow so he just wanted to be a
(36:11):
family guy, so have a familyLike that's.
He comes from a big family, soI can see everything from
Eddie's perspective on why hedid stuff the way he did, and it
was more personal.
In Raw he talked about more ofhis struggles.
That's why he talked aboutCarson being like trying to find
a woman when you're this richand famous is just hard, right,
because they're all trying toget something out of you.
(36:32):
That's the perception he had,yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And I think you're right.
I think you touched on itbefore, where you were talking
about how, when you reach heightof fame, you can't relate to
your audience anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Because I think Jamie Foxx said it one time where he
was like anybody out here have aMercedes, oh, I got Mercedes
problems y'all.
Like nobody's going to answeryou back because you're not in
the same tax bracket.
But there is something that hefinds relatable in this special
where it comes to him Jedimind-tricking, mr T.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
Did y'all see Delirious In Delirium I was
making fun of a lot ofentertainers too.
That's when I got scaredbecause I did some jokes about
Mr T and Mr T was going to fuckEd up.
I was scared because y'all seeMr T, he don't look like you
know, like he can't fight.
He looks like he can whip someass right.
And I was petrified.
(37:30):
I was walking parties.
People say, yo man, mr T wasjust here looking for you.
He was walking up people sayingI'm gonna whip it him over the
head when I see him.
Then I watched the show, cuz Iknow I didn't know him.
I watched the show to see whatkind of guy he was and the
character on the show ain't toobright.
So I figured if he came up tome I could use the Jedi mind
trick on him.
Mr T, walk up, go.
I heard you did some jokesabout me.
(37:51):
No, you didn't.
Maybe I didn't.
I'ma go beat up the fool thattold me them lies.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Oh yeah.
Or he talks about cheating andhe says the famous catch phrase
it wasn't me.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Walked in the kitchen and said what the hell was you
doing in that bitch's housetoday?
Know what the man said wasn'tme.
Walked in the kitchen and saidwhat the hell was you doing in
that bitch's house today?
You know what the man saidWasn't me.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I looked right in your face.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Wasn't me.
Well, I'm supposed to be a fool, right?
Hey, wasn't me.
You know what the woman said.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Maybe it wasn't you.
What are some of your?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
favorite bits from this special.
Ooh, I mean obviously theclosing bit, because with the
music stuff I just love that one.
I already talked about theJaddy Carson one about $300
million, like I'm pussy onlayaway.
Those are probably the onesthat stick out the most in my
(39:00):
mind.
Oh, actually, okay, okay,probably my number one one when
he gets in the fight with Rocky,when he talks about how the
Italians get super geeky aboutit.
Yeah, that thing's killerBecause he's doing the Italian
accent and everything he talksabout the time he gets in a
fight at the club that leads upto his closing bit, the Rocky
thing, because I was a big Rockyfan too.
That bit was killing, that wasjust killing.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I think his storytelling ability is amazing.
I think when it comes to himtalking about the Italians, when
they first see Rocky, and thenit goes into him being at the
discotheque with Danny Terrio,and then it goes to him wanting
that hamburger with the greenpeppers, and then having to call
his mother, and then his motherdon't answer.
His father answers, and he'sdrunk.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Hello, shirley Bitch.
If you ever let my phone ringlike this again, who is it?
Hey, what's wrong with you?
What you crying about, eddie?
What's wrong with you?
What you crying about, eddie?
What's wrong with you?
What you had a fight, lillian,give me a pistol.
Who you have a fight with?
What A disco?
A Danny Terrio.
Fuck you doing Danny Terrio.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Literally, eddie Murphy retired leather suits for
any comedian ever.
They can't do it.
No one can do that.
If anyone shows up on stageanywhere leather pants, leather,
any, any leather they're likeoh, you're trying to be Eddie
Murphy.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
I think any comedian like.
I think they call it theirleather special.
Now I feel like they think theywant to be like Eddie Murphy,
because Eddie Murphy always wearleather in a special, so like
they think they can get some ofthat from him.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And it's like.
It's like you're wearing hisjersey, it's his.
I've never seen anyone do itbefore in stand-up and anyone
after you look like a copycat ofhim.
I would never even try it.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Oh man, this is hilarious.
A couple more facts about thismovie.
This movie has the highestfilth floor and filth count.
They said the word fuck 223times I got a little tidbit.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I remember I think it was Robert Townsend, Robert.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Townsend yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, I don't know if you heard the story where, like
when they shot this movie, theyoriginally gave it like an
NC-17 rating and they had tobring the executives over to
Eddie's house and they had toargue on how many fucks, how
many shits and how manydifferent like curse words.
They had a whole big bargainingthing.
Speaker 7 (41:25):
The studio calls back we big problem.
We showed it to the ratingsboard and they've given it an X
rating.
You have to recut everything.
And Eddie was like, nah, Iain't cutting shit, bullshit,
bullshit.
And so then he goes, I ain'tcutting nothing.
And so then the studio was likelook, eddie, we can't release
an X rated film.
Eddie, they're willing to workwith us, eddie, they're willing
to work with us.
And so then we had to have thisemergency meeting at Eddie's
(41:47):
house and we have the lawyersfrom Paramount and the lawyers
from the ratings board andthey're all around this long
table in Eddie's house andthey've counted every curse word
in the film, and you know he'sgot a lawyer.
There's 72 motherfuckers, 52bitches, 13 cunts and various,
various cocksuckers.
So let's begin.
And so then, are you takingthat motherfucker?
Are we taking that motherfucker?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
How many motherfuckers for an hour?
Speaker 7 (42:09):
And so we go back and forth, we go back and forth and
we negotiate, and then wefinally get there Line for line.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
You guys had to negotiate, yeah.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
And then Eddie would get upset.
Then Eddie goes like no, no, no, I need that motherfucker.
I give you two bitches and ahoe for that motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I heard it took like a day or two until they're like
OK, fine, we'll give you an Rrating.
The fucks under like 24 fucksor something like that, which is
crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
It's crazy that they had to negotiate that right,
because you got to understand inthe spectrum of things.
And let me just paint thepicture Scarface had already
came out.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, 83.
Yep.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
So the next person to have a higher count was
Goodfellas.
So when you look at it in thespectrum of things, I don't want
to say right shit.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
But it's there.
I mean Scarface is murdering,left and right trafficking
cocaine using cocaine,goodfellas, organized crime,
everyone's getting whacked andit's just Eddie Murphy standing
on stage in leather tellingjokes to an audience.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Because he's swinging the microphone like his penis,
and now you want to give him anX rating.
I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I don't understand.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
It doesn't make any sense.
And that's what I talk aboutwhen I talk about Eddie Murphy,
and I talk about the criticismthat he gets.
And people on his podcast talkabout this all the time.
But the criticism that he getswhere they say, oh yeah, well,
eddie Murphy just does one thing.
You mean play a whole bunch ofcharacters in a movie yeah, the
(43:47):
stuff that like no one else canlike.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
If someone plays two people in a movie, they're like
wow, that's amazing.
Like Tom Hardy, two people in amovie, they're like wow, that's
amazing.
Tom Hardy did that in a movie.
In Club of People he's doingfour in one scene.
Just the makeup alone and themannerisms, that's Oscar worthy.
That barbershop scene in.
Coming to America that shouldhave won an Oscar.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Yeah, but they won't let him.
You know what's funny I watchedand I normally take shots at
people, and I'm sorry for takingshots at people, but I watched
zero day one on netflix yeah andzero day zero day.
robert de niro is playing thepresident and the whole time I'm
watching robert de niro playpresident, I'm thinking he's
(44:32):
about to whack somebody Like Ithink he's from Casino, I think
he's from Goodfellas, I thinkhe's from Godfather.
And then I had to really thinkto myself when have I ever seen
Robert De Niro play somebodybesides a gangster or a cop Like
(44:53):
I mean he did some like whatwas it?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
It's rare.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
It's real rare, it's rare.
There's Meet the Parents.
Yep and Dirty Grandpa.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
That's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Dirty Grandpa yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
And for Dirty Grandpa .
He said in those comedies hedid where he kind of sucked, he
said like he was going through adivorce because his wife had
blew like 150 million dollarstrying to start a coffee company
.
So he took roles he normallywouldn't even take right.
So that whole stretch of likehim doing these weird comedy
stuff that was because he neededdope, exactly so it's, it's
(45:30):
like.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
It's like we forget that al pacino was in geely.
Yeah, we we forget thatchristopher walken is also in
that movie as well, but weforget that Christopher Walken
is also in that movie as well.
But we forget about the peoplethat we hold high in movies like
and I always say the SteveMartins, the Martin Short, even
Robin Williams.
When you think about RobinWilliams, he's a Juilliard actor
(45:52):
, yes, and I will never takeaway what he does in drama, but
his comedies oh, he had someterrible bombs.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I mean stuff that just did not connect for years.
There's some RV, one across thecountry, where I was like I
didn't know this thing came out.
It made it to theaters.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
It made it to theaters RV Flubber, the list,
club Paradise, the list goes on.
So when I say this because Ijust was talking to another
comedian I was supposed to haveon the show soon they basically
said we want to do a Pluto Nashepisode.
And he was like, oh, wasn'tthat the movie that ruined Eddie
Murphy's career?
And I was like every movie theysaid ruined Eddie Murphy's
(46:33):
career.
Yeah, you know every movie.
And when I say that, I talkabout the movies like Harlem
Nights, that didn't, that didn'tget favorable reviews.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Which I like that movie a lot Everyone loves that
movie.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
This thing was gentlemen got bad reviews,
boomerang got bad reviews.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
I remember hearing about the boomerang that, in my
opinion, might be considered thegreatest all black movie I've
ever seen, in the fact that itgrossed a ton of money and no
white person had more than threelines.
It was all-Black everywhere.
The idea of Eddie, martinLawrence and David Allen we are
friends that's killer.
Then you throw in the factHalle Berry isn't even the
(47:13):
number one hot chick.
She's the artsy sidekick to thehot chick's movie Hotter Than
Hair.
Her, I'm like what.
And it still worked.
And you got lila rachan in anopen scene with the jacked up
feet, like it's that thing.
That movie is playing johnwitherspoon.
He's doing his bang, bang, bangat the dinner.
That movie is unbelievable.
And I remember reading reviewwhere someone saying eddie must
(47:35):
live in an alternate universewhere all the all the executives
are black.
I'm like they're in beautyproducts and who cares?
It's a comedy.
Like just let it ride.
Like it's just a.
It's a.
It's a romantic comedy and it'sextremely well done.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
And I don't has there been like a major black
romantic comedy since since yes,but not, I want to say
boomerang was one of the firstof his kind I say it all the
time because, like, if you thinkabout what we call a romantic
comedy per se, there weren'tthat many.
(48:12):
When it came to black people, Ithink the only movie that
predates a quote unquoteromantic comedy is strictly
business.
Oh, okay, all right, I thinkI'm not sure, cause I had this
conversation with our friendDarian before, where I was
trying to figure out like isboomerang like the first
(48:32):
romantic comedy, and if you forblack people and if you think
about it, it's not like the onlymovie that predates that is
like Claudine and that's not acomedy.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, you know, I mean she's got to have it.
I don't think it's a comedy,but it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Oh, I didn't know, it was billed as a comedy.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Exactly, and that's a whole racial thing.
I'll say real quick, because wewere on this, I'll probably
edit it out, but I feel thatwhen it comes to black people
for for for white people todigest an all-black cast, they
have to make it a comedy eitherthey have to make it a comedy,
or they have to make it slaveryoh, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
I make it slavery.
Oh, one thousand percent.
A little side note here.
I read a book by M NightShyamalan where he talked about
his kind of coming up in theindustry and he said he met with
a high level executive on theWarner Brothers or somewhere and
he asked him why is it that wedon't get like a crossover of
black people or brown people tocross over to an audience unless
(49:38):
it's comedy?
Like Eddie Murphy, an executive, without batting an eye, said
well, in order for the crossoverin a non-comedic way, white
people have to see themselves inthat person's shoes.
Laughter is innate If it'sfunny, bang.
So that's why Eddie Murphycrossover, why it's way more
harder for someone like Denzelto crossover.
And he basically broke it downLike that's why we'll do black
comedies.
We're not going to do big blackdramas or romantic comedies
(50:01):
Like they wouldn't really do it.
They want to say either dramaside, like you said, slavery or
flat out comedy.
That's it, Cause they don'tthink white people to see
themselves in black people'sshoes.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
I yeah, I think that's why.
Reason why?
Because you know, and I thinkthat's when it started to,
because when they remember whenthe whole Sony leak happened and
they were talking about, youknow, denzel was one of the
people.
How come Denzel doesn'ttranslate more than Will Smith?
(50:31):
And you know, it was mostlybecause of the comedies.
But you know, if you look atthe Equalizer movies, the third
Equalizer movie takes place inItaly.
It's mostly in Italian, I know,because I had the bootleg and
there was no subtitles.
It's an Italian film to me butit makes a lot of sense.
(50:53):
It's weird.
And it's crazy because when youget to a person like Eddie
Murphy, he's one of the first tocross over, like that.
I mean, you had richard pryorand I'm no disrespect to richard
pryor whatsoever, he's a geniusbut his movies never translated
no, not the ones where he'sstarring, not the ones where
he's starting.
(51:13):
Yeah, yeah, jojo dance is notplaying in China.
No.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Like, like, like Eddie Murphy movies, those 80s
movies he was.
He went to China, he went toAustralia, he went everywhere.
People knew who Eddie Murphywas, period.
Speaker 4 (51:28):
He was as big as Michael Jackson was.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
You know.
So it's, it's.
I don't, I don't know.
Maybe, man, I can go on all daytalking about this.
I don't know, man, I can go onall day talking about this.
If you were to give a top fiveof stand-up specials, where
would Eddie Murphy Raw rank.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Okay, so my number one, as still, is Richard Pryor,
live in concert.
I think it's 79 at Torrance, 79, yeah, the gold shoes I might
be gold shoes, but I rememberthe red silk top, red's for you.
That's probably the best one,because I knew that was one take
and he basically the opening 10minutes.
He basically gives away deathjokes.
He just talks to the audienceas people are coming back.
(52:10):
It's brilliant that one quietly.
Bill Cosby himself.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I love Bill Cosby himself, I love.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Bill Cosby himself.
That's a great one.
Then I'd probably take thefirst or second from Chris Rock.
Bring the Painter Bigger andBlacker and I could easily slide
Raw or Delirious right in there.
In that top five I'll probablypick one Chappelle, that's
probably why that's kind of mytop five.
(52:39):
So, like Raw, I could haveanywhere from three or four to
maybe seven.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
Yeah, Before I let you go, I have to know what are
your top five Eddie Murphy films.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Ooh, okay.
Top five Eddie Murphy.
This is going to be in noparticular order.
Okay, I got 48 hours.
Okay, I'm not includingstand-up specials.
Yeah, you don't have to.
Coming to America Still loveBoomerang Life.
I loved him in Dolomite, I wantto put that up there because
(53:19):
that performance was.
It was just great as far asfilms for him him as Thunder,
whatever.
He should have won the Oscarfor Dreamgirls.
He should have got that, butthat wasn't his film, so I'm not
going to include that, but Iwant to put that Dolomite in it.
I thought that was just a greatjob.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
Can you just explain to the audience how Dolomite
affects creatives?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
I don't know how much time you got.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
It's literally.
I mean first of all an argument.
Remember James Brown, one ofthe first rappers.
He combined comedy and music,probably one of the first people
who, like his albums, wereselling independently.
He was basically like, imagineif you had eddie murphy he never
(54:07):
did tv and you had like cashmoney records before they got a
deal.
He basically combined both ofthose to drop these albums that
were selling like hot cakes.
So he kind of pushed theindependent scene for both sides
and he got screwed over becauseI met one of the guys who
managed a catalog and he saiddolomite wasn't getting nowhere
near what he was supposed to begetting.
He was getting pennies on thedollar so he had to deal with
that too.
So basically he dealt with theworst parts of hollywood and the
(54:29):
music industry.
But like basically old, dirtybastard.
You could say it's a derivativeof him, a lot of official ig
bomb.
You could say it's like aspin-off of that, like his.
I mean, red fox is kind of, atleast the character on sanford
(54:49):
is kind of a similar ish.
So like dolomite, what I'd sayis ubiquitous everywhere in some
way, shape or form thatindependent hustle, grind, knock
it out and not listen to peoplewho don't know what to like,
just do it yourself, the wholedo-it-yourself movement, like
wu-tang I didn't have a wu-tangalbum or like you're gonna take
(55:11):
all these people, put ittogether and put it out.
Who are these guys?
That was the kind of samehustling side of kind of grind
that dolomite had yeah, and Ilove that.
Speaker 4 (55:21):
I love the way they portrayed all of that in the
movie as well.
Like for for.
When you watch a movie likebecause for for years I've known
who dolomite is, I've known,like, I've seen him in pop
culture, he's in, they talkabout him in the movie House
Party, you've seen his Def Jamappearance but to really know
what his story is, when youwatch that Don't Mind my Name
(55:43):
movie, you realize this is a manthat got the door pushed in his
face every chance he got and hehad to go independent.
He had to go this way just tomake a name for himself.
And it speaks to creatives, tocomedians, to actors, to
everybody who gets doors slammedin their face and you have to
turn around and put out you knoworiginal product, kind of like
(56:07):
a short film that's coming outthis summer yes, that's a great
tie in there.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
It probably title spangled.
That'll be me, darian darianphilip evans directing it.
Yeah, this spring, summer, beout there definitely.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Can you please tell the people where they can find
you?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
I'll be in chicago.
I've got a show later thismonth, tight ship, so I'll be
around chicago area doingstand-up.
I also got music dropping theboldy singles out to yushi
adined I have a followup withthat should be out sometime in
June with another single withSir Michael rocks from cool kids
in Chicago and I think uh,Chris crack should have some
singles on there too.
(56:46):
So this summer I have some newmusic out too.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
Oh dope.
Well, I thank you for doingthis.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I think the people listening.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Anytime, man, anytime you want to come back on, just
let me know you know we'retrying to.
We're trying to push out thelast couple of films but you
know, anytime you want to talkabout a movie that I've done
already, I'm open word, I'm opento talk about this stuff.
But definitely thank you forbeing here, thank the audience
for listening and, as always, bekind to others.
(57:14):
God bless you and good night.
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