June 13, 2025 • 11 mins
Dive into a bonus transcript reading episode examining the Erin Patterson case with detailed questioning about two phones and their usage patterns which the prosecution said could reveal crucial evidence.
• Focus on "Phone A" and "Phone B" with Dr Nanette Rogers (chief prosecutor) questioning Erin Patterson who pleads not guilty
• Ms Patterson's phone usage timeline examined through meticulous questioning about web searches related to death cap mushrooms
• Prosecution said evidence showed Ms Patterson's phone lost network connection during police search
• Prosecutor's claim that Ms Patterson deliberately concealed her phone from police during investigation
• Phone records showing Ms Patterson's device disconnected precisely during her private consultation with a lawyer
Ms Patterson is pleading not guilty to all four charges and has the resumption of innocence.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the Mushroom Murder Trial
podcast.
This is a bonus edition of thetranscript from yesterday in the
Erin Patterson case.
Now, what I'll be talking aboutis phone A and phone B, and
there are two people here, sothere is Dr Rogers, who's the
chief prosecutor, nanette Rogersand, obviously, erin Patterson
(00:23):
herself, who is pleading notguilty to all charges.
So shall we go?
This is Nanette Rogers and thisphone is phone A.
Is this the phone you'd usedsince February 23, correct?
Yes, that's Erin.
Sorry, I just got a quickquestion.
Did you say I used that phoneuntil August 14, or that number
(00:46):
until August 14?
The number?
Okay, thank you, yep.
Do you need to ask me thequestion?
Do you need the question askedagain?
Erin, yes, please, youcontinued to use that phone
number, that is the 783.
Yep says Erin, right throughuntil the 14th of August 2023,.
(01:09):
Yep, and up until the 2nd ofNovember.
In fact, I think it's stillconnected, and this phone A is
the phone you had used sinceFebruary 2023.
Did you just answer thatquestion or did you?
No, no, I didn't, but you'reright, I did.
That was Erin.
Yes, this is the phone you usedas your primary communication
(01:32):
device from February 2023.
Yeah, that's right, yep, erinagain.
And you used it to send andreceive texts, phone calls and
to take photos Correct, amongstmany other things.
Erin said yes, I suggest youuse the phone to research death
cap mushrooms.
Agree or disagree?
(01:54):
Erin replies disagree.
I suggest you also use phone Ato look up iNaturalist in 2023.
Agree or disagree?
Erin replies disagree, and I'vealready put this to you
previously, but I want to makeclear that I suggest you saw the
post by Tom May on the 21st ofMay 2023 on this phone.
(02:18):
Erin replies disagree.
Phone A, says the prosecutor.
Erin, disagree.
And that's how you saw the postby Christine McKenzie that she
posted on the 18th of April 2023.
Erin replies I didn't see thatpost.
You didn't see.
You didn't use that phone to dothat, erin, I didn't see the
(02:42):
post.
Is that what I have said?
You didn't see the post.
Phone A was not recovered bypolice on the 5th of August.
Agreed?
Erin, agreed.
I suggest it's because youdeliberately concealed this
phone from police.
Agree or disagree, disagree.
And in fact, I suggest thepolice never recovered phone A.
(03:04):
Agree or disagree.
I think that's true, said Erin.
Your evidence to this jury wasthat on the 2nd of August 2023,
you quote, realised that phone Awas just not cutting it anymore
.
Do you remember giving thatevidence, erin?
I do so.
Is that your explanation aboutwhy you factory reset phone B on
(03:27):
that day?
Um, I think that was theexplanation.
That's, erin.
And just on that, I rememberyou asking me did I do that
factory reset on the 2nd ofAugust?
At that time, and I said thedate looks about right.
I'm not sure about the time,and I remember doing the factory
reset.
I thought I did it the same day.
(03:48):
I put the SIM in it, which wasthe 3rd of August.
In any event, this is aprosecutor.
You agree that it was on the2nd of August that you realised
that phone A wasn't cutting itanymore?
Erin, yeah, or 3rd of August,I'm not sure which day.
I suggest to you that there wasnothing wrong with phone A and
(04:09):
that this is another lie.
Agree or disagree.
Disagree.
You had purchased this phonebrand new in February 2023,
correct, erin?
Correct, and it was less thansix months old.
Correct, correct, said, erin.
Now I want to take you toExhibit 77, the call charge
records, and I want to start atpage 55.
(04:31):
And please say, if you'reunable to see the screen, erin.
No, I can see it, thank you.
So the date is on the left-handcolumn.
It is replied Erin, and thesequestions are about the 2nd of
August.
Yep, so you use phone A on the2nd of August with the phone
number 783 all day.
(04:51):
Is this the CCR for 783 and 835?
No, said the prosecutor, it'sthe CCR for phone number ending
783.
Thank you, I just couldn't seethat anywhere, said Erin.
We can, I can take it back,erin, I trust you.
Said Erin, we can, I can takeit back, erin, I trust you.
(05:15):
It's just I couldn't see.
So I wanted to clarify.
Okay, here's on her, in thefourth column, you can see the
number.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, said Erin, dr Rogers, soyou used phone A with this phone
number 783 on the 2nd of Augustall day, erin?
Well, it was on.
Yeah, you used it for dataphone calls, smss.
I can see the data and SMS onthis page.
(05:37):
This is Erin.
So that's page 55, yeah, thenthere's page 56, yep, and it's
still on the 2nd of August.
Yes, if that can be blown up.
Page 57,.
This is a prosecutor, erin.
Yeah, still on 2 August, erin.
Hmm, page 58, still 2nd ofAugust, erin.
(05:59):
Correct, page 59, still 2nd ofAugust, yep, and this is a
prosecutor.
And then at page 60, almost twothirds down the page, the
records end for the 2nd ofAugust, until about 11pm or
thereabouts.
Yep, so the records, theserecords show your use of that
phone continued to be frequentuntil about 11pm that night of
(06:23):
the 2nd of August.
Erin, um, yeah, there was use.
Yeah, and this is the day, orthis is a possible day on your
evidence, that you realisedphone A was not cutting it
anymore.
You said just a minute ago itwas either the 2nd or 3rd of
August, erin, right, can I takeyou now to the 3rd of August,
(06:45):
which is down the bottom of page60?
Erin, yep, we see from page 60there that you continue to use
phone A with the phone number783.
Erin, yeah, it's on anyway.
Yep, sorry, I said well, itshows the phone was on.
That's from the prosecutor.
Well, there's a column calledyes, that's true, you used it
(07:07):
for data phone calls and SMSs.
I'm happy to take you over thepage through to 61.
Yep, says Erin.
I can see SMSs 62, yep, erin,63, yep, 64, yep and 65, yep.
So those records now this isthe prosecutor for 3rd of August
(07:27):
continue from page 60 to 65.
I think we've been over that.
Erin replies they do, and therecords show frequent use of
phone A throughout that day of 3August.
Do you accept that itdefinitely shows use?
Yes, now I want to go to the4th of August, which starts down
the bottom of page 65.
Erin, yep, we can see youcontinue to use phone A with the
(07:52):
phone number 783.
Erin, I did Data phone calls,smss.
Erin, yeah, happy to take youthrough from 66, 67, yep and 68,
yep.
And you accept that the recordsshow frequent use of phone A
throughout the day?
It does show use.
(08:14):
Yes, I want to go to the 5th ofaugust.
And the 5th of august was theday of the search warrant.
It was, and we heard evidencethat police arrived at your
house at 11.40am.
Yeah, yes, erin said Up until11.40am.
And this time I'm on page 68 ofthe exhibit you were using
(08:34):
phone A.
Um, this is Erin.
I can't see any actual likeSMSs or phone calls by me.
But yes, some people did sendme SMSs Data.
Well, erin replies um, thatdoesn't mean I'm doing anything
on the phone.
(08:57):
Dr Sorrell did say that.
Beg your pardon, says theprosecutor.
I just said because there'sdata entries.
It doesn't mean I'm using thephone.
And did you refer to someone'sevidence?
Yeah, I said.
Didn't Dr Sorrell say that?
Prosecutor?
Yes, but I'm not asking youabout Dr Sorrell's evidence.
I'm asking you.
Sorry, I'm asking about you.
Did you use data on the 5th ofAugust up until 11.40am?
Erin?
I have no idea.
(09:18):
I doubt it.
Prosecutor, suddenly, at anunknown time, between 12.01pm on
5th of August and 1.45pm, yourmobile service number, ending in
783, which was inside phone A,lost connection with the network
.
That's been the evidence inthis matter.
You agree with that?
(09:38):
I do, erin, and it's an agreedfact in this case, exhibit 84,
paragraph 5, and I'm happy tobring that up for you.
Erin, there's no need that.
This lost connection this isthe prosecutor could be due to A
the SIM card being removed fromthe handset.
B the battery being removedwithout turning the handset off
(10:00):
or.
C the handset being damaged insuch a way that it would disrupt
power of the handset or disruptthe handset's connection to the
network.
Yes, so that's the agreed factbetween the parties, says the
prosecutor.
Erin, yes, I suggest that youremove the SIM from phone A
(10:22):
between 12.01 and 1.45pm on the5th of August, agree or disagree
, erin, disagree.
I suggest you had physicalpossession of this phone when
you did that.
Agree or disagree, disagree.
I suggest you removed SIM fromphone A when you were afforded
privacy to speak with a lawyerwhile police were at your home.
(10:42):
Agree or disagree, disagree.
That happened at 2pm, said Erin.
I suggest that your claim thatthe black item on the window
sill in the lounge room is phoneA is simply nonsense.
Agree or disagree, erin,disagree.
So that's what we've got today.
I'll be reading this through toyou.
At the moment, the judge isgiving instructions to lawyers,
(11:06):
so we haven't had any more newstoday, so I'll keep these sort
of bubbling through.
So you have them.
So thank you for your time.
I appreciate it.
Make sure you sign up for mynewsletter, and that is at
mushroommurdertrialcom, and Iappreciate you taking the time
out of your day to listen and Iwill get back to you very soon
(11:27):
and let me know what you thinkthrough the website or, however,
through socials, because all mysocials are there as well, as
you can donate me a coffee,which is $5.
That's there as well.
Buy me a coffee.
I'd love that.
Thank you, and thank you toeveryone who has done that.
It is really needed when you'veon what, the seventh week of a
(11:47):
trial.
It's been a lot, hasn't it?
But thank you so much and Iwill speak to you very, very
soon.
Bye.
Hello and welcome to the Mushroom Murder Trial
podcast.
This is a bonus edition of thetranscript from yesterday in the
Erin Patterson case.
Now, what I'll be talking aboutis phone A and phone B, and
there are two people here, sothere is Dr Rogers, who's the
chief prosecutor, nanette Rogersand, obviously, erin Patterson
(00:23):
herself, who is pleading notguilty to all charges.
So shall we go?
This is Nanette Rogers and thisphone is phone A.
Is this the phone you'd usedsince February 23, correct?
Yes, that's Erin.
Sorry, I just got a quickquestion.
Did you say I used that phoneuntil August 14, or that number
(00:46):
until August 14?
The number?
Okay, thank you, yep.
Do you need to ask me thequestion?
Do you need the question askedagain?
Erin, yes, please, youcontinued to use that phone
number, that is the 783.
Yep says Erin, right throughuntil the 14th of August 2023,.
(01:09):
Yep, and up until the 2nd ofNovember.
In fact, I think it's stillconnected, and this phone A is
the phone you had used sinceFebruary 2023.
Did you just answer thatquestion or did you?
No, no, I didn't, but you'reright, I did.
That was Erin.
Yes, this is the phone you usedas your primary communication
(01:32):
device from February 2023.
Yeah, that's right, yep, erinagain.
And you used it to send andreceive texts, phone calls and
to take photos Correct, amongstmany other things.
Erin said yes, I suggest youuse the phone to research death
cap mushrooms.
Agree or disagree?
(01:54):
Erin replies disagree.
I suggest you also use phone Ato look up iNaturalist in 2023.
Agree or disagree?
Erin replies disagree, and I'vealready put this to you
previously, but I want to makeclear that I suggest you saw the
post by Tom May on the 21st ofMay 2023 on this phone.
(02:18):
Erin replies disagree.
Phone A, says the prosecutor.
Erin, disagree.
And that's how you saw the postby Christine McKenzie that she
posted on the 18th of April 2023.
Erin replies I didn't see thatpost.
You didn't see.
You didn't use that phone to dothat, erin, I didn't see the
(02:42):
post.
Is that what I have said?
You didn't see the post.
Phone A was not recovered bypolice on the 5th of August.
Agreed?
Erin, agreed.
I suggest it's because youdeliberately concealed this
phone from police.
Agree or disagree, disagree.
And in fact, I suggest thepolice never recovered phone A.
(03:04):
Agree or disagree.
I think that's true, said Erin.
Your evidence to this jury wasthat on the 2nd of August 2023,
you quote, realised that phone Awas just not cutting it anymore
.
Do you remember giving thatevidence, erin?
I do so.
Is that your explanation aboutwhy you factory reset phone B on
(03:27):
that day?
Um, I think that was theexplanation.
That's, erin.
And just on that, I rememberyou asking me did I do that
factory reset on the 2nd ofAugust?
At that time, and I said thedate looks about right.
I'm not sure about the time,and I remember doing the factory
reset.
I thought I did it the same day.
(03:48):
I put the SIM in it, which wasthe 3rd of August.
In any event, this is aprosecutor.
You agree that it was on the2nd of August that you realised
that phone A wasn't cutting itanymore?
Erin, yeah, or 3rd of August,I'm not sure which day.
I suggest to you that there wasnothing wrong with phone A and
(04:09):
that this is another lie.
Agree or disagree.
Disagree.
You had purchased this phonebrand new in February 2023,
correct, erin?
Correct, and it was less thansix months old.
Correct, correct, said, erin.
Now I want to take you toExhibit 77, the call charge
records, and I want to start atpage 55.
(04:31):
And please say, if you'reunable to see the screen, erin.
No, I can see it, thank you.
So the date is on the left-handcolumn.
It is replied Erin, and thesequestions are about the 2nd of
August.
Yep, so you use phone A on the2nd of August with the phone
number 783 all day.
(04:51):
Is this the CCR for 783 and 835?
No, said the prosecutor, it'sthe CCR for phone number ending
783.
Thank you, I just couldn't seethat anywhere, said Erin.
We can, I can take it back,erin, I trust you.
Said Erin, we can, I can takeit back, erin, I trust you.
(05:15):
It's just I couldn't see.
So I wanted to clarify.
Okay, here's on her, in thefourth column, you can see the
number.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, said Erin, dr Rogers, soyou used phone A with this phone
number 783 on the 2nd of Augustall day, erin?
Well, it was on.
Yeah, you used it for dataphone calls, smss.
I can see the data and SMS onthis page.
(05:37):
This is Erin.
So that's page 55, yeah, thenthere's page 56, yep, and it's
still on the 2nd of August.
Yes, if that can be blown up.
Page 57,.
This is a prosecutor, erin.
Yeah, still on 2 August, erin.
Hmm, page 58, still 2nd ofAugust, erin.
(05:59):
Correct, page 59, still 2nd ofAugust, yep, and this is a
prosecutor.
And then at page 60, almost twothirds down the page, the
records end for the 2nd ofAugust, until about 11pm or
thereabouts.
Yep, so the records, theserecords show your use of that
phone continued to be frequentuntil about 11pm that night of
(06:23):
the 2nd of August.
Erin, um, yeah, there was use.
Yeah, and this is the day, orthis is a possible day on your
evidence, that you realisedphone A was not cutting it
anymore.
You said just a minute ago itwas either the 2nd or 3rd of
August, erin, right, can I takeyou now to the 3rd of August,
(06:45):
which is down the bottom of page60?
Erin, yep, we see from page 60there that you continue to use
phone A with the phone number783.
Erin, yeah, it's on anyway.
Yep, sorry, I said well, itshows the phone was on.
That's from the prosecutor.
Well, there's a column calledyes, that's true, you used it
(07:07):
for data phone calls and SMSs.
I'm happy to take you over thepage through to 61.
Yep, says Erin.
I can see SMSs 62, yep, erin,63, yep, 64, yep and 65, yep.
So those records now this isthe prosecutor for 3rd of August
(07:27):
continue from page 60 to 65.
I think we've been over that.
Erin replies they do, and therecords show frequent use of
phone A throughout that day of 3August.
Do you accept that itdefinitely shows use?
Yes, now I want to go to the4th of August, which starts down
the bottom of page 65.
Erin, yep, we can see youcontinue to use phone A with the
(07:52):
phone number 783.
Erin, I did Data phone calls,smss.
Erin, yeah, happy to take youthrough from 66, 67, yep and 68,
yep.
And you accept that the recordsshow frequent use of phone A
throughout the day?
It does show use.
(08:14):
Yes, I want to go to the 5th ofaugust.
And the 5th of august was theday of the search warrant.
It was, and we heard evidencethat police arrived at your
house at 11.40am.
Yeah, yes, erin said Up until11.40am.
And this time I'm on page 68 ofthe exhibit you were using
(08:34):
phone A.
Um, this is Erin.
I can't see any actual likeSMSs or phone calls by me.
But yes, some people did sendme SMSs Data.
Well, erin replies um, thatdoesn't mean I'm doing anything
on the phone.
(08:57):
Dr Sorrell did say that.
Beg your pardon, says theprosecutor.
I just said because there'sdata entries.
It doesn't mean I'm using thephone.
And did you refer to someone'sevidence?
Yeah, I said.
Didn't Dr Sorrell say that?
Prosecutor?
Yes, but I'm not asking youabout Dr Sorrell's evidence.
I'm asking you.
Sorry, I'm asking about you.
Did you use data on the 5th ofAugust up until 11.40am?
Erin?
I have no idea.
(09:18):
I doubt it.
Prosecutor, suddenly, at anunknown time, between 12.01pm on
5th of August and 1.45pm, yourmobile service number, ending in
783, which was inside phone A,lost connection with the network
.
That's been the evidence inthis matter.
You agree with that?
(09:38):
I do, erin, and it's an agreedfact in this case, exhibit 84,
paragraph 5, and I'm happy tobring that up for you.
Erin, there's no need that.
This lost connection this isthe prosecutor could be due to A
the SIM card being removed fromthe handset.
B the battery being removedwithout turning the handset off
(10:00):
or.
C the handset being damaged insuch a way that it would disrupt
power of the handset or disruptthe handset's connection to the
network.
Yes, so that's the agreed factbetween the parties, says the
prosecutor.
Erin, yes, I suggest that youremove the SIM from phone A
(10:22):
between 12.01 and 1.45pm on the5th of August, agree or disagree
, erin, disagree.
I suggest you had physicalpossession of this phone when
you did that.
Agree or disagree, disagree.
I suggest you removed SIM fromphone A when you were afforded
privacy to speak with a lawyerwhile police were at your home.
(10:42):
Agree or disagree, disagree.
That happened at 2pm, said Erin.
I suggest that your claim thatthe black item on the window
sill in the lounge room is phoneA is simply nonsense.
Agree or disagree, erin,disagree.
So that's what we've got today.
I'll be reading this through toyou.
At the moment, the judge isgiving instructions to lawyers,
(11:06):
so we haven't had any more newstoday, so I'll keep these sort
of bubbling through.
So you have them.
So thank you for your time.
I appreciate it.
Make sure you sign up for mynewsletter, and that is at
mushroommurdertrialcom, and Iappreciate you taking the time
out of your day to listen and Iwill get back to you very soon
(11:27):
and let me know what you thinkthrough the website or, however,
through socials, because all mysocials are there as well, as
you can donate me a coffee,which is $5.
That's there as well.
Buy me a coffee.
I'd love that.
Thank you, and thank you toeveryone who has done that.
It is really needed when you'veon what, the seventh week of a
(11:47):
trial.
It's been a lot, hasn't it?
But thank you so much and Iwill speak to you very, very
soon.
Bye.
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