March 19, 2025 • 20 mins
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Liz and Steph reunite after an eight-month podcast hiatus, bringing with them powerful stories of personal transformation through health challenges.
With remarkable vulnerability, Steph shares her breast cancer journey—the fear, the treatments, and ultimately the strength she discovered within herself and from her support network. Her experience serves as both inspiration and gentle reminder about the life-saving importance of regular mammograms.
Meanwhile, Liz opens up about navigating life with rare Addison's disease, describing her evolution from merely managing symptoms to exploring deeper healing possibilities. Her realization that autoimmunity requires listening to her body's limits represents a profound shift away from the constant hustle that once defined her professional life. Together, these parallel health journeys have given both musicians a new perspective on what truly matters.
The conversation weaves through serious topics with natural moments of lightness—from Netflix recommendations to memories of watching Celine Dion's documentary together. What emerges most clearly is how this extended break has crystallized their vision for the podcast's future. Though they'll produce fewer episodes moving forward, they're recommitting to the deep, curiosity-driven conversations that have fueled their own personal growth since the podcast's pandemic-era beginnings..
This isn't just a return—it's a renewal of purpose. As they prepare to welcome guests again (with one interview already recorded), Steph and Liz invite listeners to connect beyond social media, through their email list, and direct messaging.
At its heart, this episode celebrates the sustaining power of community during life's unexpected challenges. Have you experienced similar transformations through difficult periods? We'd love to hear your story. Text us above!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Musician Centric Podcast.
We are two freelance violistsliving and laughing our way
through conversations thatexplore what it means to be a
professional musician in today'sworld.
I'm Steph.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Liz, and we're so glad you've joined us.
Let's dive in.
Oh my gosh, that was a greatcountdown.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, it's kind of coming back to me.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll get there.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, we're a little rusty.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are a little rusty , aren't we?
Yeah, but it feels good to beback.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It feels really good.
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hi everybody, Hi Whoever is choosing to listen
after our big long break.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You probably opened your podcasting app and you were
like what, when have these guys?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
been Well, it's been quite a journey, hasn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, life has happened.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Lots of life has happened and for those of you
who have followed us regularlyfor one season or two or three
or four seasons, we cut ourseason short last spring and it
was for health reasons on my enda good solid eight months or so
(01:29):
since we've put anything outthere, which is really kind of
wild to think about in hindsight, because in some ways doesn't
it feel like not that long, butalso it's been a very long time.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I really feel that For me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Midsummer I was diagnosed with breast cancer and
so I've spent the last fewmonths, you know, having surgery
, doing radiation.
I'm very, very, very lucky,very lucky, gosh.
I really haven't talked aboutthis.
I feel a little emotional.
(01:58):
It's been a journey, and ajourney through fear and finding
strength that I didn't realizethat I had and leaning on
friends and family to getthrough a really uncertain time.
(02:19):
Anybody who has been diagnosedwith breast cancer, everybody's
journey is different, everyone'sprognosis is different, and I
was just very lucky.
It was very small, I caught itearly, it wasn't aggressive, and
so I'm on the other side of allof my treatment.
(02:40):
I'm still taking some hormonetherapy and I will be doing that
for at least five years.
But, yeah, I just feel verygrateful to be on this side of
things and, honestly, to havegone through it.
That feels like a weird thingto say, but it's really shown me
(03:01):
how strong I am and how muchpeople in my life love me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I also think you're such a living public service
announcement for taking care ofyourself and getting your
mammograms and just being on topof your health.
You inspire me so much in thatway being on top of your health,
like you inspire me so much inthat way, and I'm obviously so
(03:28):
grateful for all the things thatyou said.
Being one of my best friends,like knowing that it was not a
severe case, that like all ofthe treatment worked, that
you're on the other side of it,that you're thriving now.
I'm so grateful for all of that.
I'm sure there are many peoplewho will listen that can totally
understand this experience, andI think you're very brave for
(03:52):
sharing it.
I know that it's not theeasiest thing for you to do.
My dear friend Steph is prettyprivate.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I am, but I really was inspired to share it.
I mean, I did share it on mysocial media eventually, but the
main reason is because if I hadnot gone for my mammogram, I
wouldn't know, yeah, and whoknows what could have happened.
So just encourage you.
If it's your time, just getthem.
(04:24):
It's uncomfortable for about 20minutes and then you're done
and hopefully you never have togo back until the next year.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yep, that's right, just add it to your calendar
please.
And they also have it like downto a science.
It's like in and out, you know,it's like a boob pressing
factory.
Yes, exactly, I got my firstone in the spring, everybody.
So I never had the joy of thatexperience.
(04:53):
I am now of age to have the joyof that experience.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Welcome to the club.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's terrible, but it's so short and they
really do.
It's like you show up for yourappointment.
They're like get in there, getchanged, do the thing.
You're out, and it's terrible,but it's so short and they
really do.
It's like you show up for yourappointment.
They're like get in there, getchanged, do the thing.
You're out, and it is.
It's like 20 minutes, it's soeasy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, but with all of that kind of managed, as they
would say in Harry Potter,mischief managed.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You feeling good?
Yes, I feel good.
Also, health in general is justa wild thing.
What I've learned in the Xamount of months since I was
diagnosed with Addison's lastspring and, by the way, I really
want to say thank you to thepeople who wrote to us about
that you guys are the sweetest.
(05:39):
Yeah, it really meant a lot tome to hear someone else's
experience.
What's crazy about this is itis under the massive umbrella of
autoimmunity, but it is veryrare.
I don't know if I said this inthe spring, but I went down a
rabbit hole and I was lookingthings up and I recognized that,
(06:02):
if I did the math right,there's only maybe up to five or
six people in the entire DMVarea who have Addison's, so it's
extremely rare and it's hard tofind community, and I'm just
grateful to hear from people whoare going through it as well.
I will also say that it's awindy road and it's had its ups
(06:28):
and downs even since thediagnosis.
So I've been exploring a lotwith autoimmunity and what I've
come to understand is it's notjust about having the medication
that I have now, which is, infact, you know, like life saving
compared to where I was in thespring.
Choices in lifestyle, and oneof those things is just not
(07:00):
hustling constantly, and everytime I get into a bit of a wave
I'm riding of being a little bittoo busy or having taken on a
little bit too much.
My body now likes to tell methat I'm doing too much and it
was something I could ignore fora long time, and now I really I
can't.
But just recently I've beendoing a fair amount of work
(07:22):
internal work, thought work andthings like that.
I've started a really greatcourse by one of our former
guests, jennifer Waite.
She's doing a course called 3DAuthenticity.
It is eight months long, so I'msure I'm going to have little
tidbits to share here and therealong the way.
But one of the things that cameto me just recently, last week
and I think this applies toanyone struggling with health
(07:44):
issues in the world aboutautoimmunity, if you have
antibodies you test positive,for sometimes you have one, then
you have another, then you haveanother, and so these
antibodies just kind of show up.
We don't know clinically ifthere's a way for those
antibodies to dissipate in yoursystem, right, like if you can
remove them from your body.
You don't know, and the way Iinterpreted that was we don't
(08:07):
know if it's impossible.
And so it begs the questionlike is it possible to heal?
Is it possible to heal fromthese things?
Is it possible to care foryourself in such a way that you
can heal?
And that was far differentperspective for me, just an
interesting shift from what I'vebeen thinking, which is I need
to manage my disease, andmanagement feels like okay,
(08:31):
there's this thing I've got tohandle every day.
In this case, it feels a littlemore inspirational.
There's something that feelsmuch lighter about that.
But this is what I wanted toshare with you.
So you know, as our longtimelisteners know, I'm pretty
woo-woo that's like generallyspeaking.
I've been that way for a longtime.
(08:52):
So you know, I've got mycrystals and I've got my candles
and I've got my meditations andI've got all my stuff.
But I've been watching thisNetflix limited series called
Apple Cider Vinegar.
Oh, no I haven't started itbecause I knew it would be
(09:13):
triggering for me.
You will be so mad.
All right, I want to make adisclaimer right here, right now
.
Guys, there is a limit.
There's a limit to mywoo-woo-ness and it is
definitely like far before Iwould ever get down the road of
the stuff that is portrayed inthis show, and I know it's a
dramat dramatization, but it'sjust really tough to watch.
(09:37):
Some of it is really sadactually, but some of it is
infuriating because you're likethere's a woman who's basically
like scamming people becauseshe's faking cancer.
Um, and, by the way, if anyonelistened to the documentary
scamanda, have you has any?
Have you listened to this?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, I swear these women were doing the exact same
thing around the exact same time, only on two different
continents.
It's so insane and I justcouldn't.
I can't stop watching it, eventhough it infuriates me.
I was like they're givingholistic medicine a bad name is
(10:14):
what's happening on this show.
So, anyway, I wanted to tellyou about that.
You should watch it.
I'm dying to know what yourreaction would be.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm in a very Darren Star type.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's right.
Tell everybody what you've beenwatching.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, true confessions.
So you many people know emilyin paris, right, that was like a
big pandemic hit and it was adarren star production.
I discovered the previous one,which is called younger, and it
was like the mid 2010s and it'sabout this woman who's like our
(10:55):
age more Liz's age and shepretends to be 26 to get a job
and all of the hilarity anduncomfortable situations that
ensue, and I'm just hooked.
There's seven seasons of thiswoman's antics.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's crazy.
That's a lot of seasons.
That's more than sex in thecity.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, you have to suspend disbelief.
Really, how dense are thesepeople?
Did nobody do a backgroundcheck on her before she?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
got her job.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
How long can you get away with lying about your age?
I don't know how true any ofthis is, but it's truly
entertaining and it's just theright amount of emotional
investment.
Yeah, investment for me rightnow.
So, anyway, that's myrecommendation.
Younger, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's so good.
I know you texted me about thisand I it's on my list have to
get there, but seven seasonswell yeah you can kind of use it
as your like palate cleanser.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You've watched your apple cider vinegar?
There are only 20 minuteepisodes no, that's okay, that
makes a difference so just watcha 20 minute one, you'll be like
you know, it's very light.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I could totally do that.
Oh, do you remember, though,when we had our, our watch party
together?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
yeah, we had like a little a texting date to watch
the Celine Dion documentarywhich was really lovely, oh and
so heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I think either of uswould recommend that very
heartily, just like hearing hertalk about the split between
like what her heart desires todo and what her body's letting
her do yeah it's so, it'sheart-wrenching, it's really
heart-wrenching.
but I also think, inspired,right, like how amazing of her,
how brave of her to make thismovie, yeah, and show all the
(12:50):
the good, the bad and the uglyabout it.
It was uh it was a lot.
So we've been yeah, you know Iwas thinking just now up to this
point we haven't been able toput out recording content in our
lives Like it just hasn't.
It hasn't been something thatwe've been ready to do up to now
, but we've been learning a lotand experiencing a lot of life,
(13:13):
and all of that informseverything else.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And it's also given us some time, away from the
podcast and perspective, toreally think about what we want
to do, going forward with thepodcast.
And Liz and I were talkingabout when we first started this
podcast, if you haven't beenhere since the beginning.
We started during the pandemicand it was a way for us to
process our feelings and give usa project, an artistic project,
(13:42):
but also to stay connected andto learn, yeah, from people
literally all over the world,and we really want to get back
to that, because we've missedthat.
We realized that.
I realized that this endeavorwith you, liz, has been the
biggest way that I've grown inthese past five years, really
(14:06):
opening my mind up, getting outof those cycles that you
perpetuate.
For some reason, they'reserving you, but you need new
input.
I was just telling my brotherthis you need new input in order
to grow, and so that's what wewant to get back to having these
(14:27):
deep, wonderful, enlightening,inspiring conversations that
trigger something in us, lightus up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, there's something empowering about it
and I miss it very much.
I mean, there were periods oftime where the only focus is
taking care of yourself, and soyou're not necessarily thinking
about what you miss and not tobe selfish, everybody but the
opportunity for us to talk withthese guests.
(14:57):
It gives us a lot.
We learn so much from them.
Yes, steph, you just said it sowell, and obviously the hope in
putting them out there is thatthey inspire you too and that
you always feel like you have awelcome place at the table, as
the two of us are sitting herechit-chatting.
In truth, our conversationstarted offline and they've
(15:20):
never really stopped.
We may not have been puttingthem on tape, but we've been
having the same conversationswe're having right now together
all through the break.
So the fact that we're puttingourselves out there again, I
think actually is reallyimportant.
I will say, for me, I think it'shard sometimes to put yourself
(15:44):
out there, especially when youmaybe aren't feeling your best
or you're struggling, or you'requestioning your own self-worth
or your own contribution out inthe world and I'm getting
emotional.
Now Doing this with you, I think, helps me feel like it's okay
(16:09):
to put myself out there, youknow, because we're doing it
together and and then it makesit easier to be brave and do
other things, you know, but I, Ireally, um, I miss that a lot
too, and so we're just kind ofstarting to envision what that
might look like our version 5.0,since technically, this is
(16:30):
season.
We can share that we faceroadblocks when we're making
these episodes and, for those ofyou who know, we've had
sponsors in the past.
We are so grateful to have hadsponsorships that have helped us
financially support thisendeavor.
But ultimately, when it comesdown to it, if we really want to
(16:53):
express our curiosity likewe're just looking at ways to
make this a little bit more, Idon't know a little bit
sustainable a little bit moresustainable.
Yeah, that's a great word.
So you know that might look alittle different on the back end
, but I'm not, we're not sure ifit's going to feel all that
different for our listeners.
It might be exactly the sameexperience.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, there'll be fewer episodes coming at you,
for sure.
I mean, that's just yep, that'sjust reality, but we would like
to consistently put out someepisodes up through May.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And we want you along for the journey.
We want you along for thejourney, and so if you want to
know what's up before it happens, then join our email list.
I'll put a link in thedescription for exactly how to
join that, and we promise not tospam you.
You can also gosh.
We just love hearing from you,and this fan mail thing that our
(17:50):
host Buzzsprout provides issuch a just a lovely way to stay
in touch with our listeners.
So also in the descriptionyou'll find a link where you can
literally just text us rightfrom your phone.
So you're listening.
Pop over the description, clickit, send us whatever's on your
mind.
You can do so anonymously too.
(18:11):
You don't have to sign it andwe won't know, but we would just
love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, and to echo the email list for those of you who
are subscribed.
If you are still subscribed,you probably know that we really
haven't sent many emails All 15of you, the tens of you that
are subscribed.
We've maybe sent like threeemails, I don't know.
It's not that small, but wewere not consistent with emails.
(18:37):
But one thing that I think bothof us feel kind of an
inclination towards is to try toconnect in different ways
outside of social media.
So you'll still see, you know,if you follow us on Instagram
and Facebook, you'll still seethe reels with clips from the
episodes and that kind ofcontent will still be there.
(18:58):
But ultimately, we really wantto find ways to connect with our
community and we have kind ofcome to the conclusion that you
know.
Obviously, again, very gratefulfor sponsorships, but really
our community is what sustainsus.
It's what we're trying to buildand, as we've alluded to before
(19:20):
, we need support as much as youmay need support.
So the more we can build thatup together, the better it'll be
.
So, and the other piece ofreally exciting news is maybe
we're not ready to reveal whoyet, but we actually do already
have a guest episode recordedand will be coming out in the
(19:40):
next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So definitely stay tuned and yeah, we're excited to
get rolling.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yes, so we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
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Thank you.
Welcome to the Musician Centric Podcast.
We are two freelance violistsliving and laughing our way
through conversations thatexplore what it means to be a
professional musician in today'sworld.
I'm Steph.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Liz, and we're so glad you've joined us.
Let's dive in.
Oh my gosh, that was a greatcountdown.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, it's kind of coming back to me.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'll get there.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, we're a little rusty.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are a little rusty , aren't we?
Yeah, but it feels good to beback.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It feels really good.
We missed you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hi everybody, Hi Whoever is choosing to listen
after our big long break.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You probably opened your podcasting app and you were
like what, when have these guys?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
been Well, it's been quite a journey, hasn't it?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, life has happened.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Lots of life has happened and for those of you
who have followed us regularlyfor one season or two or three
or four seasons, we cut ourseason short last spring and it
was for health reasons on my enda good solid eight months or so
(01:29):
since we've put anything outthere, which is really kind of
wild to think about in hindsight, because in some ways doesn't
it feel like not that long, butalso it's been a very long time.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I really feel that For me.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Midsummer I was diagnosed with breast cancer and
so I've spent the last fewmonths, you know, having surgery
, doing radiation.
I'm very, very, very lucky,very lucky, gosh.
I really haven't talked aboutthis.
I feel a little emotional.
(01:58):
It's been a journey, and ajourney through fear and finding
strength that I didn't realizethat I had and leaning on
friends and family to getthrough a really uncertain time.
(02:19):
Anybody who has been diagnosedwith breast cancer, everybody's
journey is different, everyone'sprognosis is different, and I
was just very lucky.
It was very small, I caught itearly, it wasn't aggressive, and
so I'm on the other side of allof my treatment.
(02:40):
I'm still taking some hormonetherapy and I will be doing that
for at least five years.
But, yeah, I just feel verygrateful to be on this side of
things and, honestly, to havegone through it.
That feels like a weird thingto say, but it's really shown me
(03:01):
how strong I am and how muchpeople in my life love me.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I also think you're such a living public service
announcement for taking care ofyourself and getting your
mammograms and just being on topof your health.
You inspire me so much in thatway being on top of your health,
like you inspire me so much inthat way, and I'm obviously so
(03:28):
grateful for all the things thatyou said.
Being one of my best friends,like knowing that it was not a
severe case, that like all ofthe treatment worked, that
you're on the other side of it,that you're thriving now.
I'm so grateful for all of that.
I'm sure there are many peoplewho will listen that can totally
understand this experience, andI think you're very brave for
(03:52):
sharing it.
I know that it's not theeasiest thing for you to do.
My dear friend Steph is prettyprivate.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I am, but I really was inspired to share it.
I mean, I did share it on mysocial media eventually, but the
main reason is because if I hadnot gone for my mammogram, I
wouldn't know, yeah, and whoknows what could have happened.
So just encourage you.
If it's your time, just getthem.
(04:24):
It's uncomfortable for about 20minutes and then you're done
and hopefully you never have togo back until the next year.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yep, that's right, just add it to your calendar
please.
And they also have it like downto a science.
It's like in and out, you know,it's like a boob pressing
factory.
Yes, exactly, I got my firstone in the spring, everybody.
So I never had the joy of thatexperience.
(04:53):
I am now of age to have the joyof that experience.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Welcome to the club.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And it's terrible, but it's so short and they
really do.
It's like you show up for yourappointment.
They're like get in there, getchanged, do the thing.
You're out, and it's terrible,but it's so short and they
really do.
It's like you show up for yourappointment.
They're like get in there, getchanged, do the thing.
You're out, and it is.
It's like 20 minutes, it's soeasy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, but with all of that kind of managed, as they
would say in Harry Potter,mischief managed.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You feeling good?
Yes, I feel good.
Also, health in general is justa wild thing.
What I've learned in the Xamount of months since I was
diagnosed with Addison's lastspring and, by the way, I really
want to say thank you to thepeople who wrote to us about
that you guys are the sweetest.
(05:39):
Yeah, it really meant a lot tome to hear someone else's
experience.
What's crazy about this is itis under the massive umbrella of
autoimmunity, but it is veryrare.
I don't know if I said this inthe spring, but I went down a
rabbit hole and I was lookingthings up and I recognized that,
(06:02):
if I did the math right,there's only maybe up to five or
six people in the entire DMVarea who have Addison's, so it's
extremely rare and it's hard tofind community, and I'm just
grateful to hear from people whoare going through it as well.
I will also say that it's awindy road and it's had its ups
(06:28):
and downs even since thediagnosis.
So I've been exploring a lotwith autoimmunity and what I've
come to understand is it's notjust about having the medication
that I have now, which is, infact, you know, like life saving
compared to where I was in thespring.
Choices in lifestyle, and oneof those things is just not
(07:00):
hustling constantly, and everytime I get into a bit of a wave
I'm riding of being a little bittoo busy or having taken on a
little bit too much.
My body now likes to tell methat I'm doing too much and it
was something I could ignore fora long time, and now I really I
can't.
But just recently I've beendoing a fair amount of work
(07:22):
internal work, thought work andthings like that.
I've started a really greatcourse by one of our former
guests, jennifer Waite.
She's doing a course called 3DAuthenticity.
It is eight months long, so I'msure I'm going to have little
tidbits to share here and therealong the way.
But one of the things that cameto me just recently, last week
and I think this applies toanyone struggling with health
(07:44):
issues in the world aboutautoimmunity, if you have
antibodies you test positive,for sometimes you have one, then
you have another, then you haveanother, and so these
antibodies just kind of show up.
We don't know clinically ifthere's a way for those
antibodies to dissipate in yoursystem, right, like if you can
remove them from your body.
You don't know, and the way Iinterpreted that was we don't
(08:07):
know if it's impossible.
And so it begs the questionlike is it possible to heal?
Is it possible to heal fromthese things?
Is it possible to care foryourself in such a way that you
can heal?
And that was far differentperspective for me, just an
interesting shift from what I'vebeen thinking, which is I need
to manage my disease, andmanagement feels like okay,
(08:31):
there's this thing I've got tohandle every day.
In this case, it feels a littlemore inspirational.
There's something that feelsmuch lighter about that.
But this is what I wanted toshare with you.
So you know, as our longtimelisteners know, I'm pretty
woo-woo that's like generallyspeaking.
I've been that way for a longtime.
(08:52):
So you know, I've got mycrystals and I've got my candles
and I've got my meditations andI've got all my stuff.
But I've been watching thisNetflix limited series called
Apple Cider Vinegar.
Oh, no I haven't started itbecause I knew it would be
(09:13):
triggering for me.
You will be so mad.
All right, I want to make adisclaimer right here, right now
.
Guys, there is a limit.
There's a limit to mywoo-woo-ness and it is
definitely like far before Iwould ever get down the road of
the stuff that is portrayed inthis show, and I know it's a
dramat dramatization, but it'sjust really tough to watch.
(09:37):
Some of it is really sadactually, but some of it is
infuriating because you're likethere's a woman who's basically
like scamming people becauseshe's faking cancer.
Um, and, by the way, if anyonelistened to the documentary
scamanda, have you has any?
Have you listened to this?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, I swear these women were doing the exact same
thing around the exact same time, only on two different
continents.
It's so insane and I justcouldn't.
I can't stop watching it, eventhough it infuriates me.
I was like they're givingholistic medicine a bad name is
(10:14):
what's happening on this show.
So, anyway, I wanted to tellyou about that.
You should watch it.
I'm dying to know what yourreaction would be.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I'm in a very Darren Star type.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's right.
Tell everybody what you've beenwatching.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay, true confessions.
So you many people know emilyin paris, right, that was like a
big pandemic hit and it was adarren star production.
I discovered the previous one,which is called younger, and it
was like the mid 2010s and it'sabout this woman who's like our
(10:55):
age more Liz's age and shepretends to be 26 to get a job
and all of the hilarity anduncomfortable situations that
ensue, and I'm just hooked.
There's seven seasons of thiswoman's antics.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's crazy.
That's a lot of seasons.
That's more than sex in thecity.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, you have to suspend disbelief.
Really, how dense are thesepeople?
Did nobody do a backgroundcheck on her before she?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
got her job.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
How long can you get away with lying about your age?
I don't know how true any ofthis is, but it's truly
entertaining and it's just theright amount of emotional
investment.
Yeah, investment for me rightnow.
So, anyway, that's myrecommendation.
Younger, it's on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That's so good.
I know you texted me about thisand I it's on my list have to
get there, but seven seasonswell yeah you can kind of use it
as your like palate cleanser.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You've watched your apple cider vinegar?
There are only 20 minuteepisodes no, that's okay, that
makes a difference so just watcha 20 minute one, you'll be like
you know, it's very light.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I could totally do that.
Oh, do you remember, though,when we had our, our watch party
together?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
yeah, we had like a little a texting date to watch
the Celine Dion documentarywhich was really lovely, oh and
so heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I think either of uswould recommend that very
heartily, just like hearing hertalk about the split between
like what her heart desires todo and what her body's letting
her do yeah it's so, it'sheart-wrenching, it's really
heart-wrenching.
but I also think, inspired,right, like how amazing of her,
how brave of her to make thismovie, yeah, and show all the
(12:50):
the good, the bad and the uglyabout it.
It was uh it was a lot.
So we've been yeah, you know Iwas thinking just now up to this
point we haven't been able toput out recording content in our
lives Like it just hasn't.
It hasn't been something thatwe've been ready to do up to now
, but we've been learning a lotand experiencing a lot of life,
(13:13):
and all of that informseverything else.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And it's also given us some time, away from the
podcast and perspective, toreally think about what we want
to do, going forward with thepodcast.
And Liz and I were talkingabout when we first started this
podcast, if you haven't beenhere since the beginning.
We started during the pandemicand it was a way for us to
process our feelings and give usa project, an artistic project,
(13:42):
but also to stay connected andto learn, yeah, from people
literally all over the world,and we really want to get back
to that, because we've missedthat.
We realized that.
I realized that this endeavorwith you, liz, has been the
biggest way that I've grown inthese past five years, really
(14:06):
opening my mind up, getting outof those cycles that you
perpetuate.
For some reason, they'reserving you, but you need new
input.
I was just telling my brotherthis you need new input in order
to grow, and so that's what wewant to get back to having these
(14:27):
deep, wonderful, enlightening,inspiring conversations that
trigger something in us, lightus up.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, there's something empowering about it
and I miss it very much.
I mean, there were periods oftime where the only focus is
taking care of yourself, and soyou're not necessarily thinking
about what you miss and not tobe selfish, everybody but the
opportunity for us to talk withthese guests.
(14:57):
It gives us a lot.
We learn so much from them.
Yes, steph, you just said it sowell, and obviously the hope in
putting them out there is thatthey inspire you too and that
you always feel like you have awelcome place at the table, as
the two of us are sitting herechit-chatting.
In truth, our conversationstarted offline and they've
(15:20):
never really stopped.
We may not have been puttingthem on tape, but we've been
having the same conversationswe're having right now together
all through the break.
So the fact that we're puttingourselves out there again, I
think actually is reallyimportant.
I will say, for me, I think it'shard sometimes to put yourself
(15:44):
out there, especially when youmaybe aren't feeling your best
or you're struggling, or you'requestioning your own self-worth
or your own contribution out inthe world and I'm getting
emotional.
Now Doing this with you, I think, helps me feel like it's okay
(16:09):
to put myself out there, youknow, because we're doing it
together and and then it makesit easier to be brave and do
other things, you know, but I, Ireally, um, I miss that a lot
too, and so we're just kind ofstarting to envision what that
might look like our version 5.0,since technically, this is
(16:30):
season.
We can share that we faceroadblocks when we're making
these episodes and, for those ofyou who know, we've had
sponsors in the past.
We are so grateful to have hadsponsorships that have helped us
financially support thisendeavor.
But ultimately, when it comesdown to it, if we really want to
(16:53):
express our curiosity likewe're just looking at ways to
make this a little bit more, Idon't know a little bit
sustainable a little bit moresustainable.
Yeah, that's a great word.
So you know that might look alittle different on the back end
, but I'm not, we're not sure ifit's going to feel all that
different for our listeners.
It might be exactly the sameexperience.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well, there'll be fewer episodes coming at you,
for sure.
I mean, that's just yep, that'sjust reality, but we would like
to consistently put out someepisodes up through May.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And we want you along for the journey.
We want you along for thejourney, and so if you want to
know what's up before it happens, then join our email list.
I'll put a link in thedescription for exactly how to
join that, and we promise not tospam you.
You can also gosh.
We just love hearing from you,and this fan mail thing that our
(17:50):
host Buzzsprout provides issuch a just a lovely way to stay
in touch with our listeners.
So also in the descriptionyou'll find a link where you can
literally just text us rightfrom your phone.
So you're listening.
Pop over the description, clickit, send us whatever's on your
mind.
You can do so anonymously too.
(18:11):
You don't have to sign it andwe won't know, but we would just
love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, and to echo the email list for those of you who
are subscribed.
If you are still subscribed,you probably know that we really
haven't sent many emails All 15of you, the tens of you that
are subscribed.
We've maybe sent like threeemails, I don't know.
It's not that small, but wewere not consistent with emails.
(18:37):
But one thing that I think bothof us feel kind of an
inclination towards is to try toconnect in different ways
outside of social media.
So you'll still see, you know,if you follow us on Instagram
and Facebook, you'll still seethe reels with clips from the
episodes and that kind ofcontent will still be there.
(18:58):
But ultimately, we really wantto find ways to connect with our
community and we have kind ofcome to the conclusion that you
know.
Obviously, again, very gratefulfor sponsorships, but really
our community is what sustainsus.
It's what we're trying to buildand, as we've alluded to before
(19:20):
, we need support as much as youmay need support.
So the more we can build thatup together, the better it'll be
.
So, and the other piece ofreally exciting news is maybe
we're not ready to reveal whoyet, but we actually do already
have a guest episode recordedand will be coming out in the
(19:40):
next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So definitely stay tuned and yeah, we're excited to
get rolling.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yes, so we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Thank you so much for listening today.
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Speaker 1 (20:03):
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Speaker 2 (20:11):
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Wogeman and is performed bySteph and myself.
Thanks again for listening.
Let's talk soon.
Thank you.
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