December 7, 2025 • 33 mins
If a single word can spark a fight, it’s rarely about the word. We open the door to a bigger, braver conversation: why “cis” and “trans” are descriptive terms, how sex and gender actually differ, and what it takes to create a space where learning beats defensiveness. We’re celebrating a creator milestone with our show landing in Spotify’s top 5%, but the takeaway isn’t just the numbers. It’s the responsibility that comes with growth and the promise we’re making to our community: we’ll keep telling the truth, even when it stings, because that’s how we all get smarter and safer.
I share how imposter feelings collide with gratitude, why a global audience reminds me that language has power, and where the conversation often goes off the rails—especially around “real women.” We unpack the misogyny and transphobia hiding in that phrase, show how outrage at the term “cis” often masks deeper bias, and lay out a clear, simple map of sex vs gender. Then we zoom out to the structure holding all of this up: intersectionality. Racism, transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny reinforce each other. You can’t challenge one and ignore the rest. The standard in this space is anti, not just “not.” That means listening to understand, asking better questions, and setting firm boundaries against bigotry.
If you’re here for growth, curiosity, and straight talk, you’ll feel at home. If you want a safe space where people can learn without fear and words are used to describe rather than divide, pull up a chair. And if accountability makes you bristle, this might not be your room. Subscribe to stay part of a community that learns out loud, share this with someone who’s ready to rethink their language, and leave a review with the moment that challenged you most.
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Speaker (00:00):
Is this thing on?
Hello, hello.
Uh-oh.
Another yucca with the mic.
Hello everyone.
Welcome back to theNapkin in between podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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Orange Ink Lady.
Of course.
I hope everyone has beenenjoying the closing of 2025.
I feel like this time of theyear, like the burrs, you know,
I'm talking about September,October, November, December,
those are quadruplets, by theway.
I love that time of the year.
First of all, I feel like whenI was growing up, I was
definitely like team summer.
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Summer was my favorite season.
But as I get older, like summerbe too fucking hot, bitch.
Like, god damn.
Also, because global warming.
We love that.
But I just feel like everyyear, like the summers are
getting hotter and hotter, andI'm just like, fuck, bitch.
Like, our our planet is quiteliterally screaming for us to
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stop, and we're not stopping.
Anyway, conversation foranother day.
But I feel like now I reallyappreciate as I'm older, I
appreciate like spring and fall.
Cause it's like not as hot.
Like I feel like summer is waytoo hot, and winter, especially
this winter in New York, it hasbeen so cold.
Like, and usually I feel likeit doesn't get as cold as it is
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now until like January,February.
But it's been so fucking cold.
Like, and someone told me, Ican't remember who, but someone
told me that this year issupposed to be like a record
cold winter for New York, andI'm just like, fuck, hate that
for me.
But anyway, sorry, I keepgetting off track.
My brain's all over the placetoday.
I really feel like I might haveADHD.
I should probably get testedbecause like I can never just
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like have a conversation.
Like it has to be like so manydifferent tangents.
Anyway, I'm so sorry.
What I'm trying to say is Ireally appreciate spring and
fall as I've gotten olderbecause I feel like like summer
is way too hot and winter's waytoo cold.
And like September, October,November, December is like my
favorite time of the yearbecause it's fall and like the
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leaves are changing.
I love all the pretty colors.
Also, Halloween, one of myfavorite holidays, my birthday,
and I just feel like I reallyenjoy looking back on the year
and seeing like the progressthat I've made.
And so at what I was trying tosay for the beginning is that
one of my favorite things whenlike the year comes to a wrap is
my Spotify raped.
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Like I love seeing like what Ilistened to over the year and
who my top artists are and mytop albums and stuff like that.
But in addition to my Spotifyrap this year, I also got a
Spotify rapped for creatorsbecause of my podcast.
And it didn't even really occurto me that I would be getting
that.
But like when I got the thenotification yesterday, like
here's your Spotify rep forcreators, I was like, oh shit.
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Like duh, I'm getting a Spotifyrep for creators because of my
podcast on Spotify.
And YouTube and Apple, likewherever you get your podcast,
but specifically for Spotify,because that's where at least
that's where I only get my rap.
I don't know if any otherplatform does rapt, but
obviously I know it's onSpotify.
So it was really cool to see mymy Spotify rap for creators on
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Spotify.
And I just want to take amoment to say, I know I say this
a lot, and I'm gonna keepfucking saying it because I'm
just so grateful that all of youare here and like I don't
understand sometimes why y'allwanna hear me yap.
I just feel like I have notreally imposter syndrome, but
more of like okay, maybe it isimposter syndrome, I don't know
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what it's called, but it's likeI feel like why are y'all here?
Like what why do y'all wannahear me yap?
Why do y'all wanna listen tothis random girl just sit in her
bed and talk all the time?
I don't understand it, but I'mvery, very grateful that you
guys are all here.
And in my Spotify Wrapped as acreator, like I started my
podcast last year, December29th, was the first um day that
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I uploaded a podcast.
So we're coming on the up,we're coming up on the pod's
first birthday.
Like, ah, that's so crazy.
But in this like almost yearthat I've had the podcast, like
I was like in my SpotifyWrapped, and it said that my
podcast show was in the top 5%of shows on Spotify, and I'm
just like, what the fuck?
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I like and when I first sawthat number, I was like, how
many shows are there on Spotify?
Like 10?
Like, how am I in the top 5%?
And when I looked it up, itsays that there's more than
250,000 shows on on Spotify, andmy show is in the top 5%.
Like that, that just like blowsmy mind because I'm like, what
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are y'all doing here?
Like, why are y'all here?
What's happening?
And I'm extremely grateful forit because I've always wanted a
podcast, I've always wanted totalk.
I love to talk, but again,sometimes I'm just like, why?
Why are y'all here?
Why are y'all listening?
Like, why are y'all tuned in?
And even though, like, I reallydo try my hardest to put out
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well-informed content that'salso entertaining and funny
because some of the things thatwe talk about are extremely
heavy, and so I I try to likemake it educational but also
funny in the in at the sametime, so that it's not so like
heavy.
And so I do think that like notto toot my own horn, but like
to two, I do think that mycontent is educational and funny
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and like important, but stillat the same time, I'm just like,
why are y'all here?
Like, oh, I don't know.
I'm just feeling very gratefuland seeing the growth that I've
had in just like again, this alittle less than a year is just
like really, really crazy.
And I'm just so grateful thatall of you are here and and
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tuning in and listening andhopefully learning something,
and I'm learning things alongthe way as well.
Like, sometimes I'll saysomething, and I love like I
love having a smart community,you know what I mean?
Like, I can say something, andthen y'all will add on to that
thing.
And I just feel like I'vegotten messages and DMs from you
guys telling me like I'velearned so much from you, like,
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thank you for your content, butlike at the same time, I'm also
learning from you guys, and Ijust am so grateful that you
guys are here.
I love having a smartcommunity, like y'all are tea as
fuck.
Ah y'all are so tea, and I justlove you guys so much, and I'm
so grateful that you guys arehere.
Like, you guys have no idea howmuch this means to me, and I
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don't even think that I couldreally put it into words of just
like how grateful I am and howmuch I truly appreciate you
guys, and we've been through alot, like I've been doing
content since 2022.
Yeah.
October, October 22nd, 2022 wasthe first day that I uploaded
on TikTok where I was just like,fuck it.
Cause I've always wanted to docontent.
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I've talked about this before,so I'm not gonna get super into
it, but content has always beensomething that I've been
interested in and wanting to do,but I was always so afraid to
do it.
And then one day I was justlike, why?
Like, why am I scared?
Why why does it matter?
Like, I'm not hurting anybody,so why wouldn't I just do the
thing that I want to do?
Like, I would rather try andfail at this thing than not try
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at all.
And so I I started uploadingvideos on the October 22nd, 2022
is my first time.
And since that time,specifically on TikTok, like
that's where I started.
Um, I've gone through threeaccounts, three accounts in
three years is fucking crazy.
But as most of y'all or some ofy'all might know, like, because
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the content that I postedtalking about like racism and
calling out all of the things,all of the bigotry, um, TikTok
doesn't like that very much.
So I've gotten my accountsbanned, um, and I'm on my third
account now, and y'all just keepfinding me, and it's just
really crazy, and I'm just supergrateful for it, and I I cannot
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express enough how much likeall of this means to me, and how
much I appreciate all of youguys being here and how grateful
I am.
So that has been the peak of myweek.
It's just like it was like apleasant surprise to see that I
was getting a Spotify rap forcreators, but then like opening
it and seeing like what it said,like my audience, how much my
audience has grown, and me beingin the top five percent of
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shows, like I was just likeblown away.
And my top five countries islike US, Canada, United Kingdom,
South Africa, and Australia.
And I'm like, who the fuck inAustralia is tuning into my
content?
But I'm just like, fuck, like abitch is global, that's crazy,
and it's it's genuinely only upfrom here.
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Like, we can only keep gettingbetter, and I'm just so grateful
for all of you in Australia andSouth Africa, like wherever you
are tuning in.
I'm I'm so grateful.
So thank you so so much forbeing here.
I genuinely cannot express howmuch it means to me and how
grateful I am, and it's justbeen the peak of my week to have
a look see at this past yearand and what we've all
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accomplished together.
So I'm very grateful, and justseeing all of you here has been
the peak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek, something that made you
smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the chaos of the
world.
And speaking of all of youbeing here, segments of what
we're gonna talk about today, Ias I've said, I'm very, very
grateful that all of you arehere and tuning in and hopefully
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learning something, and youknow, we're on this journey
together.
However, multiple things can betrue at once, and so at the
same time, I wanted to put out alittle, I don't know if it's
like a PSA or like a a heads up,whatever you want to call it.
Whether you've been here for awhile, whether you're just now
finding me, I feel like you needto watch this video before you
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subscribe to me, follow me,whatever you want to call it.
Because while I feel likepeople can really resonate with
my content, I need you to alsounderstand that there might be
times where when I'm callingsomething out, you might be the
person that I'm I'm talking to.
You might be the person thatI'm calling out.
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I think that all forms ofbigotry need to be addressed and
need to be called out, and sosometimes that'll be racism,
probably most of the time,because I feel like that's you
know the the biggest one or likethe root of a lot of bigotry.
But also, I'm gonna call ithomophobia, I'm gonna call it
transphobia, I'm gonna call itxenophobia, and my wish and my
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hope is that when I'm callingyou out, or when I'm calling
that thing out, and you feellike I'm talking to you, I hope
that you'll look inner, and Ihope that you'll do some
introspection as to why youmight be feeling a certain way
about the thing that I said, andI'm saying this because I
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posted a video about a week orso ago now, at the time that I'm
filming this, and I'm gonna putthe video in here so that you
know you guys can see what I'mtalking about.
And I don't mean to ruffle anyfeathers because I'm more
interested in clearing the wholecoop.
You find the term sis offensivebecause you've used the word
trans offensively.
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I know what you are, you're notI was think about you're not
hiding.
I see right through you.
You think the term sis isoffensive because you've used
the term trans offensively.
You're a part of the problem.
Go unpack that because the termsis has been around for
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forever.
It's not new, it's not this newwage term, it's not woke, it's
not it's been around forever.
It's new to you, and you thinkit's offensive because you've
used the word trans offensively.
Why?
Right, right.
Let's unpack that.
Unlike JLo's vocals in hersongs, I need y'all to be so
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fucking for real.
You're a part of the problem.
Go unpack that shit.
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
So when I posted that video, asI said, I knew that it was
gonna ruffle some feathers.
I knew that I was gonna getsome pushback.
And then and now I said what Isaid.
Because it's true.
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People think of the word sisoffensively and sis C I S, not S
I S.
People were in the commentslike, sis, like what do you mean
sis?
Like, I thought that was a termof endearment, and then I'm
like, no, sis, like C-I-S, not SI S.
Like, not the short term ofsister, like sis.
Um, anyway, some people viewthe word sis offensively because
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they've used the word transoffensive.
And I don't just mean like youyourself has used the word trans
offensively, but whether or notyou've outright used the word
offensively, there's some formof like negative connotation
that you hold with that word,otherwise, you would not find
the term cis offensive.
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And I I said what I said, and Imeant what I said, and as I
asked in the video, and I'll askagain today, why do you find
the words cis or transoffensive?
Because here's the thingthey're just adjectives, they're
just used as a describing word,the same way that you when you
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describe someone, you mightdescribe them as short or tall
or pretty or strong or resilientor whatever.
Like it's just a descriptiveword.
All it means when you refer tosomeone as a cis person, it just
means that their gender is inalignment with the sex that they
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were given at birth or assignedat birth, and and that's a
thing.
Oh Lord have mercy.
George Bush will pay for hisfucking crimes because some of
y'all really should have beenleft behind.
Because the way in the big yearof 2025, gender and sex still
kicks y'all's ass.
Oh Lord have mercy.
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Open the fucking schools.
Open the fucking schools.
A person's sex refers to theirbiological characteristics, so
like your chromosomes, youranatomy, whether you have a
penis or a vagina.
That is your sex.
Gender is a social construct,it was made up, made up to
categorize and put people inspecific boxes, partially to
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help the patriarchy.
Conversation for another day,but that is how you express
yourself according to likesociety norms or gender roles,
right?
So it's like things likewearing dresses or painting your
nails, like that is moreassociated to the gender of a
woman.
Whereas things like, well, usedto, now men have mics and
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podcasts, but like they used topick up hammers and build shit.
Like that is more geared towardthe gender of a man, right?
So when your gender and yourgender expression aligns with
the sex that you were assignedat birth, that means that you
are cisgender.
On the other hand, when yourgender and your gender
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expression do not align with thesex that you were assigned at
birth, that makes youtransgender.
So that means there's twocategories, right?
There's either you're eithercisgender or you're transgender.
So everyone falls into one ofthe two categories.
It's literally just adescription.
It it that's that's all it is.
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It is just a describing fuckingword.
That's it.
And it's like I don'tunderstand why people get so
upset about that.
Because we all fall like ifyou're not one, you're the
other.
They're literally all justdescriptive words to describe a
person.
So why does that bother you?
Like, I don't understandbecause the other descriptive
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words don't seem to botherpeople, right?
Like they're just they're justdescribing words.
So why why does that botheryou?
Sis bothers you because you fyou find the word whether either
you've used it offensively orsomehow deep rooted inside of
you, you find the word transoffensive for whatever reason.
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And that reason is rooted inbigotry, and that's why I say
like I wanted to put it a littlePSA because when I posted that
video, I had so many people inmy comments like, Oh, I followed
you for a really long time andI I really like your content,
but this ain't it.
It is it.
You're just you the reason youdon't like this one, you find
all the other times I callpeople out, you you fuck with
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it.
The only reason you don't likethis one is because you're being
called out, and it's okay to toto be called out, you know what
I mean?
Like we're all still learning,right?
We're all still learning andgrowing, and and we live in a
fucked up, bigoted whitesupremacist world, and this is
why I always say you have to beanti those things.
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You can't just say, Oh, I'mnot, I'm not racist, I'm not
transphobic, I'm not homophobic.
No, you have to be anti-racist,homophobic, transphobic,
whatever it is.
Because if you are not antithose things, you will be those
things.
I had so many people in thecomments like, I don't care what
you want to be called, I'llcall you whatever you want, but
like I just want the samerespect.
I I don't want to be called acis, whatever.
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Like, I I'm just a woman orwhatever.
Like, we'll get to that in asecond.
Because in my video, I neverspecified a gender.
Let me get there.
Wait, wait, wait.
But it's like what you'resaying, like, oh, I'm just a
woman, like I just want to becalled a woman.
That's that's all it is, right?
That's all the cis or trans arelike you're like it's not some
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like crazy thing that was likepeople think it was like made up
yesterday.
The words trans and sis havebeen around forever, forever,
they're new to you, and that'sokay.
I'm not trying to say, like,you know, it's there's anything
wrong with the words being newto you, but there's something
very odd about like thediscomfort of like y'all
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learning new things, likethere's so much pushback on it
when all it means is exactlywhat you're saying, and another
thing that I found veryinteresting is in my video I
didn't say anything about womenor men, but there are so many
people in the comments like, ohmy god, you guys just want to
attack women and and we justwant to be called women, and why
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why is there so much focus onwomen and real women, which is
oozing with transphobia when yousay like oh we need to listen
to real women and what they wantto be called, da da da da.
What's a real woman?
What's a real woman?
Define that for me real quickbecause you don't even like you
don't even realize thetransphobia that you're saying
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right now, real woman as opposedto what a fake woman, so now
you're saying that trans womenare not women, like this is what
I'm saying.
This is why we have to be notbe so combative.
We need to listen to understandrather than listening to
respond.
Because again, I didn't add agender to it.
Trans men exist, cis men exist,right?
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But y'all wanted to make it allabout trans women because on
top of your transphobia, youalso have internalized misogyny.
Yep, yep, that misogyny iscrazy because I never said
anything, I never specified agender.
All I said was cis and trans,because again, trans men exist
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and cis men exist, just as transwomen exist and cis women
exist.
But I didn't see not onecomment on that video.
I posted it on TikTok, onInstagram, on threads, on
Facebook.
I don't look for my Facebookcomments, that shit is scary.
I'll be honest.
But I I'm I'm down to I feellike I it's I can make a pretty
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good guess, and I'd probablywin.
Like if I bet money on it, I'dprobably win.
That there's not too manypeople or any people at all, I
would venture to say.
Who said anything about transmen or cis men?
It's always the focus is alwayson trans women, and that I need
y'all to understand too isrooted in misogyny.
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Y'all just want to attack andhate women.
Unpack that shit.
Like, ew, ew! I hate, I hate ahating ass bitch.
Like, why are you hating?
Like watching y'all get soangry over a word that's just
like describes a person.
I'm not gonna lie.
Like, I really get second,third, fourth, and fifth hand
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embarrassment.
Like, I had this one woman inmy comments, and she was so mad.
And she was like, Define awoman for me.
So I was like, Okay, a woman isa person whose gender
expression aligns with thingsthat are typically associated
with someone of the female sex.
And she was like, Oh, so youdefine women based off of
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society's expectations andsociety's normalities and
stereotypes.
Like, that's not a gooddescription.
So I said, Okay, what's yourdescription or what's your
definition of a woman?
And she was like, A woman is anadult female, and I said, Okay,
what's an adult?
And she was like, An adult isanyone who's 18 plus, and I
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said, Okay, how do you know thatthat's an adult?
And she's like, Well, that'sjust common knowledge.
Everybody knows that onceyou're 18, you're an adult, and
I said, No, no, no, I understandthat that's what society says,
right?
Like, what about someone whoturns 18 like automatically
makes them an adult?
Right?
Like, I was like, Isn't thatjust like a societal standard
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that once someone's 18, they'reconsidered an adult?
So isn't your definition alsobased on society standards and
what society says?
Crickets.
She did not respond.
Because I'm like, aren't youalso defining a woman based off
of the same thing that you toldme I was wrong in defining a
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woman on?
Because personally, I feel like24 should be the age of an
adult.
That's when your brain fullydevelops, right?
So that makes more sense to me,but for whatever reason,
society has agreed that 18 is anadult.
Why though?
Like, there's nothing thatchanges, at least to my
knowledge, in your body at 18.
Again, your brain isn't fullydeveloped until you're 24.
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So, why did we all agree that18 is an adult and not 24?
Why is that not based more soin science, right?
If we're if that's how you wantto define things
scientifically, why is 18 anadult?
She couldn't give me an answer,right?
Because you're doing the samething that you're trying to say
that I'm doing that you aresaying is wrong.
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Like, I just don't know.
The way y'all get so mad atdescriptive words, it's just
really embarrassing.
Please unpack that.
Please unpack that.
And this is why I think that itis so important to call out all
forms of bigotry because theamount of fighting that we do
amongst ourselves, like, imagineif we took all of that fighting
and fought the real problem,which is white supremacy and
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bigotry.
Some of us are so busy with theinfighting and the the fighting
amongst different minoritygroups.
And I don't think that peoplerealize like that quite
literally goes into continuingto uphold white supremacy and
bigotry.
Like, you can't, you can't wantto cheer me on a root for me
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and and be all gung ho when I'mcalling out racism.
But then when I go to call outtransphobia, you're like, oh no,
I don't, I don't like that.
I the amount of people who I'vehad message me or comment and
be like, Yeah, stick to callingout racism because this ain't
it.
Let's just sit with that for asecond.
Let's sit with those words.
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Don't call out transphobia,just call out racism.
So when I'm calling out oneform of bigotry, that's okay,
but the other one, y'all don'twant me to call that out.
Genuinely, if you feel thatway, I do not, I do not want you
to follow me.
I have blocked so many peoplebased off of that video.
People who have said, Oh, I'mI've been following you for
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forever.
I genuinely don't want youfollowing me.
I don't want you following meif you feel like it's okay to be
transphobic.
Because what what fucking sensedoes that make?
All of them are interconnected.
Being transphobic directlyimpacts racism, especially
racism towards black women.
So you can't just say, let'sjust call out racism, but not
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also call out transphobia andalso homophobia and also
xenophobia, likeintersectionality, y'all.
It all affects all of it.
Everything affects everything,and all of it goes to uplift
white supremacy and bigotry,which is why it is I'm always
going to call out all of it.
I'm gonna call it thetransphobia, I'm gonna call it
the homophobia, I'm gonna callit the racism.
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And if you don't like that, I'mplease do not follow me,
unfollow me, whatever you gottado.
I'm never gonna stop calling itout because it needs to be
called out.
I'm calling it out becausepeople deserve to live and not
be hated on or receive any sortof vitriol or transphobia or
racism or whatever for justwanting to live in their truth,
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for just wanting to live inpeace with themselves.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, trans people are nothurting anybody.
Y'all are worried about thewrong one percent.
Truly, like, all they want todo is live, leave them alone.
It's like, no, you're not underattack as cis people.
We're not under attack becausetrans people want to live and
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exist.
You're not under attack becauseyou're called a cis person.
Like it's it's literally just adescription.
Just as if you were called asmart person or a resilient
person or a strong person, likethey're all just descriptive
words.
That's literally all that itis.
It's not some it's not somesort of derogatory term, it's
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not like the only reason youfind a derogatory is because
there is some part of you whofinds trans the the word trans
derogatory, whether you've usedit yourself in a derogatory
manner or you have somedeep-rooted issue and some
deep-rooted transphobia is whatit is, if we're being honest.
That's something that you needto unpack.
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And I'm gonna be here to callit out.
I'm gonna be here to attempt tohelp you unpack it.
But if that makes you upset, ifme calling out transphobia
makes you upset, then don'tfollow me.
Don't like I don't know what totell you because I'm never
gonna, I'm never going to notcall it out.
It all of it needs to beaddressed because all of it is
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interconnected.
So if you want me to call outum racism, if you want me to
call out homophobia, whatever itis, I'm gonna have to call out
the other stuff too, becausethere are people who live with
all of this bigotry, and everysingle form of bigotry needs to
be called out, it needs to beaddressed.
We have to be anti-whremacy.
We can't just say we're notwe're not uh racist, we're not
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homophobic, we're nottransphobic.
No, you have to be anti-racist,anti-homophobic,
anti-transphobic.
Like, that is the only way thatwe are going to be able to
truly try to make change andtruly try to stop white
supremacy.
We have to be anti-transphobic,and that means calling out the
problem or like the issue thatpeople have with being called
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cisgender, because again, it'sjust a descriptive word.
All it means is that yourgender expression aligns with
the sex that you were assignedat birth.
So when you talk about like,oh, I don't want to be called a
cis woman, I'm just a woman.
Like, even that, you don't hearhow that like oozes with
transphobia.
I'm just a woman, so are they,so are trans women, and again, I
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never specified a gender in myvideo.
Like, I never said it wasdirected at women, I never said
it was directed at men becauseagain, trans men and cis men
exist.
All I said was cis and trans.
Y'all made it about trans womenbecause you're misogynistic.
Stop! Like, like it's so it'sso frustrating, it's so
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frustrating because it's likeagain, whenever I'm calling out
racism, y'all like it, y'all arecool.
But the second I start to talkabout even homophobia as well,
sometimes and transphobia, it'slike y'all are like, no, we
don't want to talk about that.
And I think that you don't wantto talk about that because
you're a hit dog callering, butit's like allow yourself to to
learn and to grow, right?
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Like, we're all learning, we'reall growing, even myself.
I'm learning new things everysingle day, and I'm so grateful
that I have like friends andpeople in my corner.
Like, when I don't understandsomething, I'm able to go to
them and be like, hey, I don'tunderstand this thing.
Can you help me understand it?
Because we're all like I said,we're all still learning and
growing, and that's okay.
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It's okay to not immediatelywant to go to the defense,
right?
It's okay to sit and listen andtry and understand where
someone might be coming from.
You know what I mean?
Like attempting to teach youlike the meaning of of words and
and call out maybe yourinternalized negative
connotation that you have withthose words, that's not an
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attack on you, right?
That's that's trying to helpyou learn and grow so that we
can continue to truly fightwhite supremacy and bigotry in
all of its forms because all ofthem need to be called out and
addressed.
So while I'm happy that all ofyou are here and you know,
enjoying my content and andlearning, understand that there
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might be times where the thingthat I'm calling out, it might
it might be you.
I need y'all to understand thatI'm never gonna stop calling
these things out, all of thesethings out.
And if that bothers you, if youhave an issue with that, if you
aren't interested in learningand growing, please unfollow me.
I genuinely like do not wantyou here.
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I was I was into it with a girlthe other day, not into it, but
like she shared my video andwas like going off about it or
whatever.
And I just responded to her andI was like trying to educate
her, and it was just clear thatshe didn't want to be educated.
And and I went to her profileand I saw that it said follow
back, and so I was like,unfollow me.
Like, I I don't want people whouphold white supremacy and
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bigotry in my space.
And she's talking about some Ifollow whoever I want, not
around here, Potna.
I messaged her back and I waslike, um, yeah, that's not how
this works.
Watch this, and I blocked herbecause I I just don't have time
for for white supremacy or foranyone who's gonna uphold
bigotry in any of my spaces.
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I wouldn't have that in my inreal life community, and I feel
like I never really like referto people who watch my content
as fans.
I really do feel like we we'rein like an online community
because I learned from you guys,you guys learn from me, so it's
great.
So I would never have someonewho uh upheld bigotry in my real
life, so why would I want thatin my online community?
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You know what I mean?
So if you if you don't want tolearn, if you are unable to
learn, however you want to wordit, please, please just unfollow
me again.
Very happy that you guys areall here.
However, I want the main thingthat I want for any of my pages,
I want them all to be a safespace for everyone.
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Not like obviously, let's addsome nuance.
I want it to be a safe spacefor everyone in every community
who is just living their livesand not trying to hurt anybody.
That includes trans people,that includes literally
everybody.
So if if you are making thisspace feel like not a safe space
and like you're just notinterested in learning, please
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unfollow me.
We can have a good time.
I feel like we do have a greattime.
Y'all seem to really like mycontent.
I try to make it enjoyable.
I love that.
But at the end of the day,there is a very important
message that I am trying to putout and and I'm trying to do
with my content.
And if you can't do that, ifyou don't want to learn, if you
don't want to grow, please exitstage left.
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As Jayla should have done thefirst time she ever got on a
stage.
Anyway, also I wanted to say aswe're up today's episode.
I'm very, very grateful for allof you, and I love that you
guys are here.
But please remember that, like,we're all here to learn and
grow, we're here to have fun aswell.
But at the end of the day,like, I do want my content to be
educational, and I do want itto help people, and I want it to
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be a safe space for everyone.
So if you feel like it's gonnaupset you if I call it
transphobia or homophobia,whatever, please just leave.
Hope this helps.
Thank you guys so much fortuning in to today's episode.
I again am very grateful thatyou guys are here.
I appreciate you all so much.
I hope everyone's having a goodweek, except for that orange
lady, and I will talk to you inthe next episode.
Peace and love.
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Talk to you later.
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Daijne Jones, post production byDaijne Jones, music by Sam
Champagne, and graphics by IsmaVidal.
Don't forget to like andsubscribe.
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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to theNapkin in between podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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Orange Ink Lady.
Of course.
I hope everyone has beenenjoying the closing of 2025.
I feel like this time of theyear, like the burrs, you know,
I'm talking about September,October, November, December,
those are quadruplets, by theway.
I love that time of the year.
First of all, I feel like whenI was growing up, I was
definitely like team summer.
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Summer was my favorite season.
But as I get older, like summerbe too fucking hot, bitch.
Like, god damn.
Also, because global warming.
We love that.
But I just feel like everyyear, like the summers are
getting hotter and hotter, andI'm just like, fuck, bitch.
Like, our our planet is quiteliterally screaming for us to
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stop, and we're not stopping.
Anyway, conversation foranother day.
But I feel like now I reallyappreciate as I'm older, I
appreciate like spring and fall.
Cause it's like not as hot.
Like I feel like summer is waytoo hot, and winter, especially
this winter in New York, it hasbeen so cold.
Like, and usually I feel likeit doesn't get as cold as it is
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now until like January,February.
But it's been so fucking cold.
Like, and someone told me, Ican't remember who, but someone
told me that this year issupposed to be like a record
cold winter for New York, andI'm just like, fuck, hate that
for me.
But anyway, sorry, I keepgetting off track.
My brain's all over the placetoday.
I really feel like I might haveADHD.
I should probably get testedbecause like I can never just
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like have a conversation.
Like it has to be like so manydifferent tangents.
Anyway, I'm so sorry.
What I'm trying to say is Ireally appreciate spring and
fall as I've gotten olderbecause I feel like like summer
is way too hot and winter's waytoo cold.
And like September, October,November, December is like my
favorite time of the yearbecause it's fall and like the
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leaves are changing.
I love all the pretty colors.
Also, Halloween, one of myfavorite holidays, my birthday,
and I just feel like I reallyenjoy looking back on the year
and seeing like the progressthat I've made.
And so at what I was trying tosay for the beginning is that
one of my favorite things whenlike the year comes to a wrap is
my Spotify raped.
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Like I love seeing like what Ilistened to over the year and
who my top artists are and mytop albums and stuff like that.
But in addition to my Spotifyrap this year, I also got a
Spotify rapped for creatorsbecause of my podcast.
And it didn't even really occurto me that I would be getting
that.
But like when I got the thenotification yesterday, like
here's your Spotify rep forcreators, I was like, oh shit.
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Like duh, I'm getting a Spotifyrep for creators because of my
podcast on Spotify.
And YouTube and Apple, likewherever you get your podcast,
but specifically for Spotify,because that's where at least
that's where I only get my rap.
I don't know if any otherplatform does rapt, but
obviously I know it's onSpotify.
So it was really cool to see mymy Spotify rap for creators on
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Spotify.
And I just want to take amoment to say, I know I say this
a lot, and I'm gonna keepfucking saying it because I'm
just so grateful that all of youare here and like I don't
understand sometimes why y'allwanna hear me yap.
I just feel like I have notreally imposter syndrome, but
more of like okay, maybe it isimposter syndrome, I don't know
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what it's called, but it's likeI feel like why are y'all here?
Like what why do y'all wannahear me yap?
Why do y'all wanna listen tothis random girl just sit in her
bed and talk all the time?
I don't understand it, but I'mvery, very grateful that you
guys are all here.
And in my Spotify Wrapped as acreator, like I started my
podcast last year, December29th, was the first um day that
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I uploaded a podcast.
So we're coming on the up,we're coming up on the pod's
first birthday.
Like, ah, that's so crazy.
But in this like almost yearthat I've had the podcast, like
I was like in my SpotifyWrapped, and it said that my
podcast show was in the top 5%of shows on Spotify, and I'm
just like, what the fuck?
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I like and when I first sawthat number, I was like, how
many shows are there on Spotify?
Like 10?
Like, how am I in the top 5%?
And when I looked it up, itsays that there's more than
250,000 shows on on Spotify, andmy show is in the top 5%.
Like that, that just like blowsmy mind because I'm like, what
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are y'all doing here?
Like, why are y'all here?
What's happening?
And I'm extremely grateful forit because I've always wanted a
podcast, I've always wanted totalk.
I love to talk, but again,sometimes I'm just like, why?
Why are y'all here?
Why are y'all listening?
Like, why are y'all tuned in?
And even though, like, I reallydo try my hardest to put out
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well-informed content that'salso entertaining and funny
because some of the things thatwe talk about are extremely
heavy, and so I I try to likemake it educational but also
funny in the in at the sametime, so that it's not so like
heavy.
And so I do think that like notto toot my own horn, but like
to two, I do think that mycontent is educational and funny
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and like important, but stillat the same time, I'm just like,
why are y'all here?
Like, oh, I don't know.
I'm just feeling very gratefuland seeing the growth that I've
had in just like again, this alittle less than a year is just
like really, really crazy.
And I'm just so grateful thatall of you are here and and
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tuning in and listening andhopefully learning something,
and I'm learning things alongthe way as well.
Like, sometimes I'll saysomething, and I love like I
love having a smart community,you know what I mean?
Like, I can say something, andthen y'all will add on to that
thing.
And I just feel like I'vegotten messages and DMs from you
guys telling me like I'velearned so much from you, like,
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thank you for your content, butlike at the same time, I'm also
learning from you guys, and Ijust am so grateful that you
guys are here.
I love having a smartcommunity, like y'all are tea as
fuck.
Ah y'all are so tea, and I justlove you guys so much, and I'm
so grateful that you guys arehere.
Like, you guys have no idea howmuch this means to me, and I
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don't even think that I couldreally put it into words of just
like how grateful I am and howmuch I truly appreciate you
guys, and we've been through alot, like I've been doing
content since 2022.
Yeah.
October, October 22nd, 2022 wasthe first day that I uploaded
on TikTok where I was just like,fuck it.
Cause I've always wanted to docontent.
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I've talked about this before,so I'm not gonna get super into
it, but content has always beensomething that I've been
interested in and wanting to do,but I was always so afraid to
do it.
And then one day I was justlike, why?
Like, why am I scared?
Why why does it matter?
Like, I'm not hurting anybody,so why wouldn't I just do the
thing that I want to do?
Like, I would rather try andfail at this thing than not try
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at all.
And so I I started uploadingvideos on the October 22nd, 2022
is my first time.
And since that time,specifically on TikTok, like
that's where I started.
Um, I've gone through threeaccounts, three accounts in
three years is fucking crazy.
But as most of y'all or some ofy'all might know, like, because
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the content that I postedtalking about like racism and
calling out all of the things,all of the bigotry, um, TikTok
doesn't like that very much.
So I've gotten my accountsbanned, um, and I'm on my third
account now, and y'all just keepfinding me, and it's just
really crazy, and I'm just supergrateful for it, and I I cannot
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express enough how much likeall of this means to me, and how
much I appreciate all of youguys being here and how grateful
I am.
So that has been the peak of myweek.
It's just like it was like apleasant surprise to see that I
was getting a Spotify rap forcreators, but then like opening
it and seeing like what it said,like my audience, how much my
audience has grown, and me beingin the top five percent of
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shows, like I was just likeblown away.
And my top five countries islike US, Canada, United Kingdom,
South Africa, and Australia.
And I'm like, who the fuck inAustralia is tuning into my
content?
But I'm just like, fuck, like abitch is global, that's crazy,
and it's it's genuinely only upfrom here.
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Like, we can only keep gettingbetter, and I'm just so grateful
for all of you in Australia andSouth Africa, like wherever you
are tuning in.
I'm I'm so grateful.
So thank you so so much forbeing here.
I genuinely cannot express howmuch it means to me and how
grateful I am, and it's justbeen the peak of my week to have
a look see at this past yearand and what we've all
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accomplished together.
So I'm very grateful, and justseeing all of you here has been
the peak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek, something that made you
smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the chaos of the
world.
And speaking of all of youbeing here, segments of what
we're gonna talk about today, Ias I've said, I'm very, very
grateful that all of you arehere and tuning in and hopefully
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learning something, and youknow, we're on this journey
together.
However, multiple things can betrue at once, and so at the
same time, I wanted to put out alittle, I don't know if it's
like a PSA or like a a heads up,whatever you want to call it.
Whether you've been here for awhile, whether you're just now
finding me, I feel like you needto watch this video before you
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subscribe to me, follow me,whatever you want to call it.
Because while I feel likepeople can really resonate with
my content, I need you to alsounderstand that there might be
times where when I'm callingsomething out, you might be the
person that I'm I'm talking to.
You might be the person thatI'm calling out.
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I think that all forms ofbigotry need to be addressed and
need to be called out, and sosometimes that'll be racism,
probably most of the time,because I feel like that's you
know the the biggest one or likethe root of a lot of bigotry.
But also, I'm gonna call ithomophobia, I'm gonna call it
transphobia, I'm gonna call itxenophobia, and my wish and my
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hope is that when I'm callingyou out, or when I'm calling
that thing out, and you feellike I'm talking to you, I hope
that you'll look inner, and Ihope that you'll do some
introspection as to why youmight be feeling a certain way
about the thing that I said, andI'm saying this because I
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posted a video about a week orso ago now, at the time that I'm
filming this, and I'm gonna putthe video in here so that you
know you guys can see what I'mtalking about.
And I don't mean to ruffle anyfeathers because I'm more
interested in clearing the wholecoop.
You find the term sis offensivebecause you've used the word
trans offensively.
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I know what you are, you're notI was think about you're not
hiding.
I see right through you.
You think the term sis isoffensive because you've used
the term trans offensively.
You're a part of the problem.
Go unpack that because the termsis has been around for
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forever.
It's not new, it's not this newwage term, it's not woke, it's
not it's been around forever.
It's new to you, and you thinkit's offensive because you've
used the word trans offensively.
Why?
Right, right.
Let's unpack that.
Unlike JLo's vocals in hersongs, I need y'all to be so
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fucking for real.
You're a part of the problem.
Go unpack that shit.
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
So when I posted that video, asI said, I knew that it was
gonna ruffle some feathers.
I knew that I was gonna getsome pushback.
And then and now I said what Isaid.
Because it's true.
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People think of the word sisoffensively and sis C I S, not S
I S.
People were in the commentslike, sis, like what do you mean
sis?
Like, I thought that was a termof endearment, and then I'm
like, no, sis, like C-I-S, not SI S.
Like, not the short term ofsister, like sis.
Um, anyway, some people viewthe word sis offensively because
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they've used the word transoffensive.
And I don't just mean like youyourself has used the word trans
offensively, but whether or notyou've outright used the word
offensively, there's some formof like negative connotation
that you hold with that word,otherwise, you would not find
the term cis offensive.
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And I I said what I said, and Imeant what I said, and as I
asked in the video, and I'll askagain today, why do you find
the words cis or transoffensive?
Because here's the thingthey're just adjectives, they're
just used as a describing word,the same way that you when you
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describe someone, you mightdescribe them as short or tall
or pretty or strong or resilientor whatever.
Like it's just a descriptiveword.
All it means when you refer tosomeone as a cis person, it just
means that their gender is inalignment with the sex that they
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were given at birth or assignedat birth, and and that's a
thing.
Oh Lord have mercy.
George Bush will pay for hisfucking crimes because some of
y'all really should have beenleft behind.
Because the way in the big yearof 2025, gender and sex still
kicks y'all's ass.
Oh Lord have mercy.
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Open the fucking schools.
Open the fucking schools.
A person's sex refers to theirbiological characteristics, so
like your chromosomes, youranatomy, whether you have a
penis or a vagina.
That is your sex.
Gender is a social construct,it was made up, made up to
categorize and put people inspecific boxes, partially to
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help the patriarchy.
Conversation for another day,but that is how you express
yourself according to likesociety norms or gender roles,
right?
So it's like things likewearing dresses or painting your
nails, like that is moreassociated to the gender of a
woman.
Whereas things like, well, usedto, now men have mics and
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podcasts, but like they used topick up hammers and build shit.
Like that is more geared towardthe gender of a man, right?
So when your gender and yourgender expression aligns with
the sex that you were assignedat birth, that means that you
are cisgender.
On the other hand, when yourgender and your gender
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expression do not align with thesex that you were assigned at
birth, that makes youtransgender.
So that means there's twocategories, right?
There's either you're eithercisgender or you're transgender.
So everyone falls into one ofthe two categories.
It's literally just adescription.
It it that's that's all it is.
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It is just a describing fuckingword.
That's it.
And it's like I don'tunderstand why people get so
upset about that.
Because we all fall like ifyou're not one, you're the
other.
They're literally all justdescriptive words to describe a
person.
So why does that bother you?
Like, I don't understandbecause the other descriptive
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words don't seem to botherpeople, right?
Like they're just they're justdescribing words.
So why why does that botheryou?
Sis bothers you because you fyou find the word whether either
you've used it offensively orsomehow deep rooted inside of
you, you find the word transoffensive for whatever reason.
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And that reason is rooted inbigotry, and that's why I say
like I wanted to put it a littlePSA because when I posted that
video, I had so many people inmy comments like, Oh, I followed
you for a really long time andI I really like your content,
but this ain't it.
It is it.
You're just you the reason youdon't like this one, you find
all the other times I callpeople out, you you fuck with
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it.
The only reason you don't likethis one is because you're being
called out, and it's okay to toto be called out, you know what
I mean?
Like we're all still learning,right?
We're all still learning andgrowing, and and we live in a
fucked up, bigoted whitesupremacist world, and this is
why I always say you have to beanti those things.
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You can't just say, Oh, I'mnot, I'm not racist, I'm not
transphobic, I'm not homophobic.
No, you have to be anti-racist,homophobic, transphobic,
whatever it is.
Because if you are not antithose things, you will be those
things.
I had so many people in thecomments like, I don't care what
you want to be called, I'llcall you whatever you want, but
like I just want the samerespect.
I I don't want to be called acis, whatever.
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Like, I I'm just a woman orwhatever.
Like, we'll get to that in asecond.
Because in my video, I neverspecified a gender.
Let me get there.
Wait, wait, wait.
But it's like what you'resaying, like, oh, I'm just a
woman, like I just want to becalled a woman.
That's that's all it is, right?
That's all the cis or trans arelike you're like it's not some
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like crazy thing that was likepeople think it was like made up
yesterday.
The words trans and sis havebeen around forever, forever,
they're new to you, and that'sokay.
I'm not trying to say, like,you know, it's there's anything
wrong with the words being newto you, but there's something
very odd about like thediscomfort of like y'all
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learning new things, likethere's so much pushback on it
when all it means is exactlywhat you're saying, and another
thing that I found veryinteresting is in my video I
didn't say anything about womenor men, but there are so many
people in the comments like, ohmy god, you guys just want to
attack women and and we justwant to be called women, and why
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why is there so much focus onwomen and real women, which is
oozing with transphobia when yousay like oh we need to listen
to real women and what they wantto be called, da da da da.
What's a real woman?
What's a real woman?
Define that for me real quickbecause you don't even like you
don't even realize thetransphobia that you're saying
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right now, real woman as opposedto what a fake woman, so now
you're saying that trans womenare not women, like this is what
I'm saying.
This is why we have to be notbe so combative.
We need to listen to understandrather than listening to
respond.
Because again, I didn't add agender to it.
Trans men exist, cis men exist,right?
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But y'all wanted to make it allabout trans women because on
top of your transphobia, youalso have internalized misogyny.
Yep, yep, that misogyny iscrazy because I never said
anything, I never specified agender.
All I said was cis and trans,because again, trans men exist
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and cis men exist, just as transwomen exist and cis women
exist.
But I didn't see not onecomment on that video.
I posted it on TikTok, onInstagram, on threads, on
Facebook.
I don't look for my Facebookcomments, that shit is scary.
I'll be honest.
But I I'm I'm down to I feellike I it's I can make a pretty
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good guess, and I'd probablywin.
Like if I bet money on it, I'dprobably win.
That there's not too manypeople or any people at all, I
would venture to say.
Who said anything about transmen or cis men?
It's always the focus is alwayson trans women, and that I need
y'all to understand too isrooted in misogyny.
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Y'all just want to attack andhate women.
Unpack that shit.
Like, ew, ew! I hate, I hate ahating ass bitch.
Like, why are you hating?
Like watching y'all get soangry over a word that's just
like describes a person.
I'm not gonna lie.
Like, I really get second,third, fourth, and fifth hand
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embarrassment.
Like, I had this one woman inmy comments, and she was so mad.
And she was like, Define awoman for me.
So I was like, Okay, a woman isa person whose gender
expression aligns with thingsthat are typically associated
with someone of the female sex.
And she was like, Oh, so youdefine women based off of
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society's expectations andsociety's normalities and
stereotypes.
Like, that's not a gooddescription.
So I said, Okay, what's yourdescription or what's your
definition of a woman?
And she was like, A woman is anadult female, and I said, Okay,
what's an adult?
And she was like, An adult isanyone who's 18 plus, and I
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said, Okay, how do you know thatthat's an adult?
And she's like, Well, that'sjust common knowledge.
Everybody knows that onceyou're 18, you're an adult, and
I said, No, no, no, I understandthat that's what society says,
right?
Like, what about someone whoturns 18 like automatically
makes them an adult?
Right?
Like, I was like, Isn't thatjust like a societal standard
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that once someone's 18, they'reconsidered an adult?
So isn't your definition alsobased on society standards and
what society says?
Crickets.
She did not respond.
Because I'm like, aren't youalso defining a woman based off
of the same thing that you toldme I was wrong in defining a
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woman on?
Because personally, I feel like24 should be the age of an
adult.
That's when your brain fullydevelops, right?
So that makes more sense to me,but for whatever reason,
society has agreed that 18 is anadult.
Why though?
Like, there's nothing thatchanges, at least to my
knowledge, in your body at 18.
Again, your brain isn't fullydeveloped until you're 24.
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So, why did we all agree that18 is an adult and not 24?
Why is that not based more soin science, right?
If we're if that's how you wantto define things
scientifically, why is 18 anadult?
She couldn't give me an answer,right?
Because you're doing the samething that you're trying to say
that I'm doing that you aresaying is wrong.
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Like, I just don't know.
The way y'all get so mad atdescriptive words, it's just
really embarrassing.
Please unpack that.
Please unpack that.
And this is why I think that itis so important to call out all
forms of bigotry because theamount of fighting that we do
amongst ourselves, like, imagineif we took all of that fighting
and fought the real problem,which is white supremacy and
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bigotry.
Some of us are so busy with theinfighting and the the fighting
amongst different minoritygroups.
And I don't think that peoplerealize like that quite
literally goes into continuingto uphold white supremacy and
bigotry.
Like, you can't, you can't wantto cheer me on a root for me
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and and be all gung ho when I'mcalling out racism.
But then when I go to call outtransphobia, you're like, oh no,
I don't, I don't like that.
I the amount of people who I'vehad message me or comment and
be like, Yeah, stick to callingout racism because this ain't
it.
Let's just sit with that for asecond.
Let's sit with those words.
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Don't call out transphobia,just call out racism.
So when I'm calling out oneform of bigotry, that's okay,
but the other one, y'all don'twant me to call that out.
Genuinely, if you feel thatway, I do not, I do not want you
to follow me.
I have blocked so many peoplebased off of that video.
People who have said, Oh, I'mI've been following you for
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forever.
I genuinely don't want youfollowing me.
I don't want you following meif you feel like it's okay to be
transphobic.
Because what what fucking sensedoes that make?
All of them are interconnected.
Being transphobic directlyimpacts racism, especially
racism towards black women.
So you can't just say, let'sjust call out racism, but not
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also call out transphobia andalso homophobia and also
xenophobia, likeintersectionality, y'all.
It all affects all of it.
Everything affects everything,and all of it goes to uplift
white supremacy and bigotry,which is why it is I'm always
going to call out all of it.
I'm gonna call it thetransphobia, I'm gonna call it
the homophobia, I'm gonna callit the racism.
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And if you don't like that, I'mplease do not follow me,
unfollow me, whatever you gottado.
I'm never gonna stop calling itout because it needs to be
called out.
I'm calling it out becausepeople deserve to live and not
be hated on or receive any sortof vitriol or transphobia or
racism or whatever for justwanting to live in their truth,
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for just wanting to live inpeace with themselves.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, trans people are nothurting anybody.
Y'all are worried about thewrong one percent.
Truly, like, all they want todo is live, leave them alone.
It's like, no, you're not underattack as cis people.
We're not under attack becausetrans people want to live and
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exist.
You're not under attack becauseyou're called a cis person.
Like it's it's literally just adescription.
Just as if you were called asmart person or a resilient
person or a strong person, likethey're all just descriptive
words.
That's literally all that itis.
It's not some it's not somesort of derogatory term, it's
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not like the only reason youfind a derogatory is because
there is some part of you whofinds trans the the word trans
derogatory, whether you've usedit yourself in a derogatory
manner or you have somedeep-rooted issue and some
deep-rooted transphobia is whatit is, if we're being honest.
That's something that you needto unpack.
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And I'm gonna be here to callit out.
I'm gonna be here to attempt tohelp you unpack it.
But if that makes you upset, ifme calling out transphobia
makes you upset, then don'tfollow me.
Don't like I don't know what totell you because I'm never
gonna, I'm never going to notcall it out.
It all of it needs to beaddressed because all of it is
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interconnected.
So if you want me to call outum racism, if you want me to
call out homophobia, whatever itis, I'm gonna have to call out
the other stuff too, becausethere are people who live with
all of this bigotry, and everysingle form of bigotry needs to
be called out, it needs to beaddressed.
We have to be anti-whremacy.
We can't just say we're notwe're not uh racist, we're not
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homophobic, we're nottransphobic.
No, you have to be anti-racist,anti-homophobic,
anti-transphobic.
Like, that is the only way thatwe are going to be able to
truly try to make change andtruly try to stop white
supremacy.
We have to be anti-transphobic,and that means calling out the
problem or like the issue thatpeople have with being called
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cisgender, because again, it'sjust a descriptive word.
All it means is that yourgender expression aligns with
the sex that you were assignedat birth.
So when you talk about like,oh, I don't want to be called a
cis woman, I'm just a woman.
Like, even that, you don't hearhow that like oozes with
transphobia.
I'm just a woman, so are they,so are trans women, and again, I
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never specified a gender in myvideo.
Like, I never said it wasdirected at women, I never said
it was directed at men becauseagain, trans men and cis men
exist.
All I said was cis and trans.
Y'all made it about trans womenbecause you're misogynistic.
Stop! Like, like it's so it'sso frustrating, it's so
(28:14):
frustrating because it's likeagain, whenever I'm calling out
racism, y'all like it, y'all arecool.
But the second I start to talkabout even homophobia as well,
sometimes and transphobia, it'slike y'all are like, no, we
don't want to talk about that.
And I think that you don't wantto talk about that because
you're a hit dog callering, butit's like allow yourself to to
learn and to grow, right?
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Like, we're all learning, we'reall growing, even myself.
I'm learning new things everysingle day, and I'm so grateful
that I have like friends andpeople in my corner.
Like, when I don't understandsomething, I'm able to go to
them and be like, hey, I don'tunderstand this thing.
Can you help me understand it?
Because we're all like I said,we're all still learning and
growing, and that's okay.
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It's okay to not immediatelywant to go to the defense,
right?
It's okay to sit and listen andtry and understand where
someone might be coming from.
You know what I mean?
Like attempting to teach youlike the meaning of of words and
and call out maybe yourinternalized negative
connotation that you have withthose words, that's not an
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attack on you, right?
That's that's trying to helpyou learn and grow so that we
can continue to truly fightwhite supremacy and bigotry in
all of its forms because all ofthem need to be called out and
addressed.
So while I'm happy that all ofyou are here and you know,
enjoying my content and andlearning, understand that there
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might be times where the thingthat I'm calling out, it might
it might be you.
I need y'all to understand thatI'm never gonna stop calling
these things out, all of thesethings out.
And if that bothers you, if youhave an issue with that, if you
aren't interested in learningand growing, please unfollow me.
I genuinely like do not wantyou here.
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I was I was into it with a girlthe other day, not into it, but
like she shared my video andwas like going off about it or
whatever.
And I just responded to her andI was like trying to educate
her, and it was just clear thatshe didn't want to be educated.
And and I went to her profileand I saw that it said follow
back, and so I was like,unfollow me.
Like, I I don't want people whouphold white supremacy and
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bigotry in my space.
And she's talking about some Ifollow whoever I want, not
around here, Potna.
I messaged her back and I waslike, um, yeah, that's not how
this works.
Watch this, and I blocked herbecause I I just don't have time
for for white supremacy or foranyone who's gonna uphold
bigotry in any of my spaces.
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I wouldn't have that in my inreal life community, and I feel
like I never really like referto people who watch my content
as fans.
I really do feel like we we'rein like an online community
because I learned from you guys,you guys learn from me, so it's
great.
So I would never have someonewho uh upheld bigotry in my real
life, so why would I want thatin my online community?
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You know what I mean?
So if you if you don't want tolearn, if you are unable to
learn, however you want to wordit, please, please just unfollow
me again.
Very happy that you guys areall here.
However, I want the main thingthat I want for any of my pages,
I want them all to be a safespace for everyone.
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Not like obviously, let's addsome nuance.
I want it to be a safe spacefor everyone in every community
who is just living their livesand not trying to hurt anybody.
That includes trans people,that includes literally
everybody.
So if if you are making thisspace feel like not a safe space
and like you're just notinterested in learning, please
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unfollow me.
We can have a good time.
I feel like we do have a greattime.
Y'all seem to really like mycontent.
I try to make it enjoyable.
I love that.
But at the end of the day,there is a very important
message that I am trying to putout and and I'm trying to do
with my content.
And if you can't do that, ifyou don't want to learn, if you
don't want to grow, please exitstage left.
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As Jayla should have done thefirst time she ever got on a
stage.
Anyway, also I wanted to say aswe're up today's episode.
I'm very, very grateful for allof you, and I love that you
guys are here.
But please remember that, like,we're all here to learn and
grow, we're here to have fun aswell.
But at the end of the day,like, I do want my content to be
educational, and I do want itto help people, and I want it to
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be a safe space for everyone.
So if you feel like it's gonnaupset you if I call it
transphobia or homophobia,whatever, please just leave.
Hope this helps.
Thank you guys so much fortuning in to today's episode.
I again am very grateful thatyou guys are here.
I appreciate you all so much.
I hope everyone's having a goodweek, except for that orange
lady, and I will talk to you inthe next episode.
Peace and love.
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Talk to you later.
The napkin in between, hostedby Daijne Jones, produced by
Daijne Jones, post production byDaijne Jones, music by Sam
Champagne, and graphics by IsmaVidal.
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