May 25, 2025 • 27 mins
Strength looks different for every survivor. When Cassie took the stand to testify against Diddy, when Halle Bailey sought a restraining order against DDG, when Megan Thee Stallion refused to be silenced—they showed us courage in action while facing relentless victim-blaming.
Why do we ask "Why didn't she leave?" instead of "Why was he violent?" The answer reveals our society's persistent tendency to hold everyone accountable for a man's violence except the man himself. Drawing from personal experience with psychological abuse, I share a frightening moment when an ex threatened suicide to prevent me from ending our relationship. The truth? Until you've been trapped in the fog of manipulation where your own reality becomes questionable, you cannot know what choices you would make.
Those who publicly blame victims aren't just hurting celebrities they'll never meet. They're sending clear messages to the one in four women and one in nine men in their actual lives who have experienced intimate partner violence: "I am not safe to confide in." Our words have consequences beyond our screens.
The contrast becomes even starker when examining cases like Adriana Smith's—a brain-dead pregnant woman in Georgia kept on life support against her family's wishes due to restrictive abortion laws. We're witnessing real-life scenarios that mirror dystopian fiction, where women's bodies become vessels, their autonomy sacrificed on the altar of control.
This episode celebrates women's resilience while acknowledging how exhausting the fight continues to be. For anyone reliving their trauma through these public cases, remember that how you navigated your situation was valid. You survived, and that alone is victory.
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Is this thing on Hello hello?
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the Napkin Inbetween podcast
.
I am your host, dejanae Jones.
I hope everyone has been havinga good week, except for that
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orange drink lady, of course.
I feel like this past week hasbeen such a win for women but at
the same time, extremely,extremely, extremely draining,
with everything going on rightnow with the Diddy Trial and
Cassie testifying, halle Baileyand Diddy G, megan Thee Stallion
, chris Brown, tori Lane likethere's just so much going on
right now that in a sense, feelslike a win for women.
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But at the same time, there'sjust so much going on right now
that in a sense, feels like awin for women but at the same
time, it's just so draining tosee the mixed response to all of
this, because the fact thatthere even is a mixed response
is fucking crazy.
So let's start on the good side.
Of course, this has been.
The peak of my week is justseeing the strength that these
women have displayed in thispast week.
The strength that these womenhave displayed in this past week
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, first with cassie and havingto testify in the trial against
diddy, having to relive yearsand years and years of trauma is
one of the hardest things thata person can do.
Even if you've done the work toheal from that trauma, having
to go back and retell the storycan be insanely re-traumatizing.
So for her to get up there andtestify against him and tell her
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side and and finally be able tolet go of that, yes, it can be
very healing, but it can also beextremely re-traumatizing as
well.
So, just like the strength thatit takes is something that I
feel like we need to commend andwe need to realize like that's
that's a hard thing to do.
So the fact that she's doingthat eight months pregnant, no
less is just an insane thing,and I hope that that has been
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more healing for her than it hasbeen anything else, because not
only is she having to reliveall of this and be in the
courtroom with her abuser, butagain the fact that there's such
a mixed response and that she'sreceiving any sort of backlash
for being strong enough to comeforward and finally tell her
story, like I can't imagine,especially on such a wide scope.
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Diddy is a very powerful man and, just like the people who are
defending him or coming atCassie like I, just I can't
imagine having to one relive allof this and then to receive
backlash from people online whofeel like victim blaming is okay
, like I'm so sick of seeingpeople like oh well, why didn't
she leave?
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Why didn't she come out sooner?
Why didn't she this?
Why didn't she that?
How about?
Why didn't he do this shit thathe fucking did?
Why did he put her through allthis?
Why was he abusive?
Why did he make her participatein freak offs?
Can we, can we, focus on that?
The why didn't she leave?
Why didn't she do anything?
Crowd is fucking crazy,especially given the fact that
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we know, because we saw from thehotel footage, what happened.
When she did try to leave, thatman chased her down, grabbed
her by her neck, threw her tothe ground, kicked her and drug
her back by her hair.
Like hello, people are like whydidn't she try to leave?
She did, and he drug her backby her hair.
Or when she jumped out of a carand he instructed one of his
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bodyguards to chase her down andbring her back, like and that's
only two instances that I amaware of where she talks about
when she did try to leave, whereshe was hunted down and brought
back like this man is wild.
She just testified that whenshe was dating kid cuddy, he was
angry and told her I'm gonnablow up his car.
And then Kid Cudi's car blew up, like he is an extremely or was
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an extremely powerful man whohad so much control over her,
not even just like romantically,because they were in a romantic
relationship, but before thateven started he was her boss,
right, like she had signed a 10album contract with this man.
A 10 album contract is fuckingcrazy.
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I just looked because I wantedto see roughly how long that
would be.
So I just looked at Beyonce'sdiscography and I counted 10
albums.
From 2003 to 2019, beyoncereleased 10 albums, so that's 16
years.
She signed roughly because,like, nobody's working like
Beyonce, but I just I usedBeyonce for reference, but she
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signed roughly a 16 yearcontract, probably more.
She was young and impressionable.
She was 19 when they starteddating, right, he was 36, full
stop, right, fucking there as a36 year old man.
What the fuck are you doingwith a 19 year old?
We're gonna act like he wasn'tpreying on her, both in the
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career space and romantically.
Please be so, fucking for real.
Her brain isn't even fullydeveloped at 19.
This is a very clear Case ofgrooming.
He groomed her in multiple waysbecause he, I feel like he knew
exactly what the fuck he wasdoing.
He knew exactly what the fuckhe was doing.
He wanted to control as much ofher as he could so that she
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would do whatever he said to do.
There's no way you couldconvince me otherwise.
Signing a 10 album contract andthen getting into a romantic
relationship when you're 36 andshe's 19, lock him away and
throw away the fucking key.
I want him under the jail.
But to see people victim blameher and question oh, why didn't
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she leave?
Why didn't she this?
Why didn't she that?
Ho, you can't even tell yourfucking hairstylist that they
fucked up your hair.
You go in for a fucking trim.
They give you a fuck-ass bob.
You tell them that you love it.
You go home, cry and make atiktok about it Like you.
Go to the nail salon.
The nail lady pulls out thatone power tool you know exactly
which one I'm talking about andshe nicks your finger.
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You're sitting there bleedingand you smile on that woman's
face and tell her you're fine.
You go to a restaurant.
The kitchen fucks up your order.
You sit there disgruntled, eatthe entire thing and then you
take it out on the waiter orwaitress by giving them a bad
tip.
You know what I mean.
Like you have a coughing fit inpublic and you feel like you're
drawing too much attention toyourself.
So you sit there with the coughlodged in your fucking throat,
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face red veins popping out ofyour fucking temple.
You'll sit there and fight foryour life rather than just cough
like people don't realize.
People pleasing comes sonaturally that you do it in
instances that are minor, minorinconveniences.
You'll, people, please, youwon't speak up, but you're
telling me that you would havespoken up against diddy, a
powerful, powerful man.
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Let me find it real quick.
Like I'm getting pissed offbecause I need y'all to be so
fucking for real and shut theentire fuck up.
And then what's killing me?
Y'all will be like oh, sheshould have left, she should
have spoke up, she should havecalled the police.
Halle Bailey is doing thatright now Went to the
authorities because she saysthat DDG was physically abusing
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her, got a restraining order andy'all are bashing her as well.
Like nothing a woman does in aviolent situation is ever good
enough for y'all.
Let's take Megan Thee Stallion,for example as well, shot on
the foot by Tory Lanez.
She didn't even press fuckingcharges.
The state of California presscharges, but y'all have not let
her breathe a fucking daybecause the state of california
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press charges on that manbecause he was a felon with a
gun and shot a woman with saidgun.
And y'all are blaming megan thestallion.
Oh, she lied.
You bitches lie about fuckingmen too.
I don't give a fuck.
That's not against the fuckinglaw.
She didn't lie when it mattered.
Which was on the stand.
Okay, god forbid.
A woman doesn't want to claim abody.
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Y'all be talking about some.
Oh, she lied, she lied.
She lied.
So did your mother.
That's why she had to get a dnatest to find out who your
father was.
Can we be for real?
It's just so fucking disgustinghow everyone is held
accountable for a man's violenceother than the man.
Why didn't she do this?
Why didn't she do that?
Why was he not violent?
Period, full stop, the end.
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The issue with violence is theperson who is perpetuating that.
Why was he not violent?
Period, full stop, the end.
The issue with violence is theperson who is perpetuating that
violence.
You have no idea what you woulddo in a violent situation and
when someone has control overyour mind whether they've gaslit
you, groomed you, whatever thatis extremely hard to break out
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of.
I was in a relationship with myex for six months.
This man was a class, anarcissist.
The way that he would gaslightme or make me question my own
reality, it was like he went toschool for it.
It was like the craziest thing,like there were times where I
would literally question my ownsanity or what I knew for a fact
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happened.
I would question it because hewas so good at twisting it to
where I would be like, wait, didthat happen?
Or do what I remember happened.
But there were several timesthat I tried to leave that
relationship because,statistically speaking, it takes
a woman about seven timestrying before she can
successfully lead an abusiverelationship.
But I can remember the scariesttime that I tried to end the
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relationship and I want to add atrigger warning because there's
mention of suicide.
So please, if you need to skipforward, please do so.
But I tried to end therelationship several times and I
remember the scariest timewhere I tried to end the
relationship.
We were fighting and you know Itexted him and I was just like
you know, this isn't healthy.
We're constantly fighting.
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I just think that it would bebetter for both of us if we just
ended the relationship.
He starts calling me incessantly, like over FaceTime and calling
my phone and video calling onInstagram, just like calling and
calling and calling.
And I'm trying to ignore all ofit.
I don't want to answer becauseI didn't want to talk to him.
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It was just not healthy.
I was, it was just not healthy.
But it keeps calling me,calling me, calling me calling
me, and I was like, ok, I'm justgoing to answer this one
FaceTime call immediately, tellhim it's over and hang up the
phone.
And I remember I answered theFaceTime call and he was laying
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down with a belt around his neckand he told me that if I ended
the FaceTime call, that he wasgoing to unalive himself.
And the belt was like tiedaround his neck, like he's like
laying there with a belt aroundhis neck and I am terrified.
I'm sitting there and I'm like,holy shit, like I felt like if
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he did kill himself, like it wasmy fault, um, and so we're on
the phone and I'm afraid to hangup and and we're talking and
anytime I said something that hedidn't.
Like he would like make thebelt around his neck a little
bit tighter because I was tryingto like gentle parent, my way
out of this relationship.
Like you know, I'm sayinganything like it's not you with
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me.
Like I just feel like I need tobe by myself right now and
anytime I would like hint atwanting to end the relationship.
He would like tighten the beltaround his neck, like and that's
why I feel like people don'tunderstand is like you can try
to end it, you can try to leave,you can try whatever, but like
if they don't want you to leave,they will do everything that
they can think of or everythingin their power to make you stay.
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And mind you, like, in thisrelationship that I was in, all
he had was a psychological whichI'm not saying I don't want to
say like all he had.
But like in the case with, likeCassie and Diddy, he like
controlled her entire life, hewas her boss.
They were in a romanticrelationship.
You know what I mean.
We were just in a romanticrelationship and I still
struggled for six months toleave because I felt every time
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I would try to leave, he woulddo something.
You know, like he wouldthreaten suicide or he would,
you know, make me think that thebest thing to do was to stay in
the relationship.
And it's just scary, it's soscary to think about, like it is
insanely hard.
Until you're in thatrelationship or you're in that
situation, you have no idea whatyou would do.
Like I said, in the relationshipthat I was in, it was like a
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psychological hold, like otherthan the romantic feelings that
I had for this man, like he hadnothing on me.
Right, I have a master's degree, this man has a birth
certificate.
If we ever got into an argumentover text, I'm a very fast
texter, just normally.
But when I'm upset, like mythumbs move a mile a minute, he
would tell me oh, you have toslow down, I can't read that
fast.
Like, admitting this all now iscrazy.
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Like, oh my god, this is soembarrassing.
But I say all this to say untilyou're in that situation, you
have no idea what you would doand it is extremely hard to get
out of that situation.
Once you're mentally in thatsituation, and then take into
account the added layer that hewas her boss and she was in this
contract with him and he couldblackball her in the industry
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like it is not as easy as y'allare trying to make it just to
like get up and leave,especially taking all this into
account.
And also, she did try to leaveand he hunted her down.
Anyway, it has been the peak ofmy week to see just her strength
and the strength of HalleBailey and also Megan Thee
Stallion, I, her guardian angels.
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I need to know the exact prayershe prays.
I need her to write it down,put it in an ebook, put it in a
verse, I don't know, put itsomewhere and hand it here,
because Megan Thee Stallion'sguardian angels do not play
about her.
Chris Brown posted free Tori onhis story and hours later that
man was arrested like the storywas still up, and that man was
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in cuffs.
And I I love that for her.
I love the hedge of protectionthat is over her and I need that
.
I need that real bad.
I just love women and I lovethe strength of women and I love
seeing them fight back in a waythat is healing for them and
reclaiming for them.
And I I just love women.
I love women and, in case therewas any discrepancy, this is a
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pro Cassie, pro Hallie, proMegan, anti JLo account?
All of my accounts?
Are these things just justthrowing that out there?
I just love seeing womenreclaim their energy and reclaim
themselves and just say fuckyou to these men who do this
shit, and I love seeing men heldaccountable, and I hope that
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justice is served in everysituation like this and to
anyone who feels as thoughthey're kind of reliving their
own trauma through this as well,because I feel like when one of
us is hurting, all of us arehurting.
You know what I mean if you'veever been in an abusive
relationship, whether that bephysical abuse or emotional
abuse, because people also don'trealize the strength of
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emotional abuse.
Emotional abuse is just as badas physical abuse.
Just because you can'tphysically see the scars does
not mean that they are not there.
So for anyone who feels likethey might be having to relive
their own trauma through all ofthis, I hope that you are all
safe.
I hope that you have a supportsystem.
I hope that you know that itwas never your fault.
However, you decided tonavigate this very scary and
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abusive situation.
If any of you ever need to talkmy DMs, my email, my everything
is always open.
Please reach out to me, not toget all high school musical on
you, but we are all in thistogether and a win for one of us
is a win for all of us, in thevery same way that a victim
blame for one of us is a victimblame for all of us.
And I want people who are victimblaming any of these women to
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also know you are showing thepeople in your real life just
how much of a safe space youaren't right.
You think that you know you'respewing this at cassie or hallie
or megan or whatever, but thepeople in your real life also
see this and are also like damn,like you might not realize it,
but the real people you'rehurting are the people in your
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real life.
You might be spewing it atcassie, hallie, megan, whoever
chances are.
They probably aren't going tosee your exact message, but the
people in your real lifeabsolutely will.
So let's just keep that in mindas well.
You're actively showing thewomen or the men in your real
life, because one in four womenand one in nine men experience
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this at some point in theirlives.
You are showing them that youare not a safe space, even if
you feel like you don't knowanyone who's experienced it.
I promise you you do, and theyare seeing exactly how you are
responding to all of thesesituations.
I hope that y'all will keepthat in mind and I hope that you
will understand.
Psychological and physical abuseis very real.
It is an extremely difficultsituation to get out of and to
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finally come to terms with andleave, and it's just like I just
need more people to reallyunderstand that and hopefully
you will do the work and youwill.
That was kind of long and kindof all over the place, but that
has been the peak of my week isjust seeing the strength of
women and seeing women cometogether.
Thankfully, I've realized, too,that I'm surrounding myself
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with great people, becauseeveryone that I've talked about
personally or my mutuals online,my friends online like they're
all on the right side of all ofthis, and so that's just like
healing and validating for methat the people that I'm
surrounding myself with are goodpeople.
So, anyway, that's been thepeak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek something that made you
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smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the peak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek something that made you
smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the chaos of the
world, while I do feel like thispast week has been a win for
women, the Lord works hard, butthe US government, it, works
harder.
We are living an actual episodeof the Handmaid's Tale in real
life right now.
There's this woman.
Her name is Adriana Smith andshe went to the hospital back in
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February because she was havingheadaches.
They gave her medication andthey sent her home.
The next day, her boyfriendwoke up to her gasping for air
and he called the police.
She was rushed to the hospital.
They found that she hasmultiple blood clots in her
brain and she was declared braindead.
However, she's nine weekspregnant or she was nine weeks
pregnant back in February whenthis all started and so, since
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she was pregnant, they arekeeping her on a ventilator so
that she can be an incubator forthe baby.
That's essentially what they'redoing to her right now.
She is an incubator for thisbaby, who was nine weeks when
this process started.
So clump of cells, not viableheartbeat, sure, but cannot
survive on its own.
At nine weeks, okay, butbecause of Georgia's abortion
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law, which is known as theheartbeat law, an abortion is
illegal after a heartbeat can bedetected, which is around six
weeks.
So she was declared brain dead,which is legally dead.
If you're brain dead, doctorscan't do anything to bring you
back.
So she was declared dead whenshe was nine weeks pregnant.
She is now currently 21 weekspregnant and they plan to keep
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her on the ventilator until thebaby reaches a stage where it
can be safely delivered I say inquotes, which is 32 weeks.
So at this point she has beenon this ventilator for longer
than she was ever even pregnantand they're going to keep her on
it against her family's wishes.
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And also her family has to payfor this medical treatment,
which they are against.
They have said they do not wanther to be on this ventilator,
but they plan to keep her onthis ventilator for at least
another 11 weeks until they feellike they can safely deliver
the baby.
Mind you, the baby has fluid onits brain, so high chance that
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the baby won't even survive.
But they refuse to take her offof this ventilator because of
the abortion laws.
What the fuck is happening?
We are literally living in anepisode of the Handmaid's Tale.
There is literally an episodeof the Handmaid's Tale where one
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of the handmaids is dead andthey keep her on a ventilator
because she is pregnant and theywant to deliver the baby on a
ventilator because she ispregnant and they want to
deliver the baby.
I am sick to my stomach becauseagain her mom has said the
family has no choice in this.
The doctors have told her momshe's not allowed to make
medical decisions for her andthey plan to keep her on this
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ventilator until they candeliver this baby while at the
same time charging the family.
They're not allowed to makemedical decisions, but they have
to pay for said medicaldecisions.
What are we even talking about?
And partially I understand thedoctor's hesitancy because with
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these abortion laws like they'refucking ridiculous.
They could be chargedcriminally, they could lose
their jobs, they could losetheir license to practice
medicine, like.
So I can understand, like theirhesitancy or their want to to
do this because like there's somuch of a gray area, but at the
same time I feel like this isn'ta gray area, like if a woman is
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pregnant and she gets into acar accident and she dies,
that's not her having anabortion.
Like she died and her baby died, like you know.
You see what I'm saying.
So it's like adriana went to thedoctor because she was having
headaches, they gave hermedicine, sent her home.
She went because she was havingtrouble, she was having
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terrible headaches, and theydidn't look or didn't do I don't
.
I don't know the the specifics,but they didn't do anything to
really help her.
They gave her medicine and senther home.
The next day she's gasping forair.
So her boyfriend calls 9-1-1.
They find she has blood clotsand now she has to be kept alive
because the first hospitaldidn't do what they were
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supposed to do and didn't doenough investigating to figure
out why she was having theseterrible headaches.
Like legally, I don't see howthis can be considered an
abortion and even lawyers andpeople in the legal field have
said, like this is not anabortion.
So it's like I I'm notunderstanding the discrepancy at
the same time, like, yes, I canunderstand the doctor
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discrepancy.
At the same time, like, yes, Ican understand the doctor's
hesitancy, but at the same time,I can't Because this there's no
way that this can be consideredan abortion and I need someone
in the legal field to like stepin and do something.
This is like inhumane.
This is inhumane to keep thiswoman alive just to deliver the
baby, baby, and then the babymight not even survive because
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the baby has fluid on its brainand the baby could be blind or
not be able to walk.
And then and then, even if thebaby is able to be successfully
delivered and it lives, they'renot gonna give a fuck about that
baby once it's here.
No universal health care, nofree lunch, school shootings out
of the fucking wazoo, like whydoes a fetus have more of a
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right to life and protectionthan actual living, walking
human beings?
Pro-life, my fucking ass.
You only give a fuck aboutfetuses when they're not even.
That's not a life.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?
This poor woman?
This is so inhumane for her,for her family, for her son, to
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see her in this situation, inthis position, because they
would rather make her anincubator than actually give a
fuck about her for a fuckingfetus, bro I.
This is not real.
Real.
This is ridiculous and I needsomebody to do something.
Because what the fuck?
I just don't even understandhow this was able to go on for
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so long.
This whole thing started whenshe was nine weeks pregnant.
She's currently 21 weekspregnant.
She's been on a ventilator,she's been an incubator for the
majority of her pregnancy atthis point and will continue to
be so for 11 weeks, and nobodyin that hospital is thinking hmm
, you know, maybe we shouldn'tbe doing this.
There's just no way that thiscan be considered an abortion,
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and this is why we need federalprotection of abortion rights,
because let roles be reversedand the law is now men have to
get mandatory vasectomies.
That shit would never fuckingfly.
It's it was never about beingpro-life.
It is literally their weird,demonic, vile obsession with
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controlling women's bodies, withcontrolling women, period.
Honestly, we see this in everysituation, from Cassie to Halle
to Megan to Adriana.
Like, what is the obsessionwith wanting to control women?
Holy fuck, are y'all okay?
The world would be so muchbetter if y'all would just leave
us the fuck alone.
Have y'all ever considered justleaving us the fuck alone?
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And then?
This is why I cannot be friendswith people who are like oh, we
can agree to disagree.
Yes, I'm a trump supporter, butfuck you, fuck you, fuck you,
fuck you I.
This is my life on the line,this is other women's lives on
the line, and you guys want totell me oh, but he's great for
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the economy did.
Shut the fuck up, immediately.
Shut the fuck up.
All of this is just making meinsanely sick to my stomach and
I'm so worried for the safety ofwomen, especially women in red
states, because this couldhappen to anyone.
You know know what I mean.
Like pregnancy is beautiful, abeautiful thing, but it's also
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an extremely scary thing and younever know what could happen.
And with these laws and themcaring more about fetuses than
actual living breathing women,like it's just like it makes me
sick to my stomach and I don'tunderstand how this can even be
happening right now.
Like this is something straightout of a dystopian TV show and
we're seeing this in realfucking light.
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I'm just sick to my stomach andI need someone to step in and
do something.
I don't know who, but someonehas to do something.
This is, this, is inhumane andI fear that if it happens in one
situation this, this is gonna,this can spiral real quickly and
real aggressively and get wayout of hand.
Like we've already seen acouple cases of women who have
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died because of these abortionlaws.
And now we're seeing a womanthey won't even let her rest in
peace because of these abortionlaws and like I'm just like sick
to my stomach and then theywonder why women don't want to
have kids, first of all, in thisfucking economy hell.
No.
Second of all, in this fuckingpolitical climate hell, fucking.
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No, absolutely not.
I just hope that all women aretaking necessary precautions to
protect themselves, and itshouldn't even be that we have
to take precautions.
It should just be that menshouldn't be violent towards us
and the government shouldn't becontrolling our fucking bodies.
But I just hope that everyoneis protecting themselves.
Do whatever you have to do,because it's it's just really
crazy.
Out here.
There's really no safe spacefor women, especially black
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women, and it just makes me sickto my stomach.
Do whatever you have to do toprotect yourself.
Keep that thing on you and keepthat other thing out of you, if
you know, if you know what Imean, because this shit is just
crazy.
I hope that everyone is stayingsafe.
I'm sending so much love andprayers to cassie, hallie, megan
, all women in violentsituations.
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I am praying and hoping thatsomething is done with Adriana
and she is able to rest.
I'm praying for her familystrength.
This is just.
The world is just so fuckingcrazy.
It's just so much going on, andI'm just hoping for justice for
all of us.
Thank you for tuning intotoday's episode.
Stay safe, have a good week andI will talk to you in the next
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episode.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
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Hello everyone and welcome backto the Napkin Inbetween podcast
.
I am your host, dejanae Jones.
I hope everyone has been havinga good week, except for that
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orange drink lady, of course.
I feel like this past week hasbeen such a win for women but at
the same time, extremely,extremely, extremely draining,
with everything going on rightnow with the Diddy Trial and
Cassie testifying, halle Baileyand Diddy G, megan Thee Stallion
, chris Brown, tori Lane likethere's just so much going on
right now that in a sense, feelslike a win for women.
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But at the same time, there'sjust so much going on right now
that in a sense, feels like awin for women but at the same
time, it's just so draining tosee the mixed response to all of
this, because the fact thatthere even is a mixed response
is fucking crazy.
So let's start on the good side.
Of course, this has been.
The peak of my week is justseeing the strength that these
women have displayed in thispast week.
The strength that these womenhave displayed in this past week
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, first with cassie and havingto testify in the trial against
diddy, having to relive yearsand years and years of trauma is
one of the hardest things thata person can do.
Even if you've done the work toheal from that trauma, having
to go back and retell the storycan be insanely re-traumatizing.
So for her to get up there andtestify against him and tell her
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side and and finally be able tolet go of that, yes, it can be
very healing, but it can also beextremely re-traumatizing as
well.
So, just like the strength thatit takes is something that I
feel like we need to commend andwe need to realize like that's
that's a hard thing to do.
So the fact that she's doingthat eight months pregnant, no
less is just an insane thing,and I hope that that has been
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more healing for her than it hasbeen anything else, because not
only is she having to reliveall of this and be in the
courtroom with her abuser, butagain the fact that there's such
a mixed response and that she'sreceiving any sort of backlash
for being strong enough to comeforward and finally tell her
story, like I can't imagine,especially on such a wide scope.
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Diddy is a very powerful man and, just like the people who are
defending him or coming atCassie like I, just I can't
imagine having to one relive allof this and then to receive
backlash from people online whofeel like victim blaming is okay
, like I'm so sick of seeingpeople like oh well, why didn't
she leave?
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Why didn't she come out sooner?
Why didn't she this?
Why didn't she that?
How about?
Why didn't he do this shit thathe fucking did?
Why did he put her through allthis?
Why was he abusive?
Why did he make her participatein freak offs?
Can we, can we, focus on that?
The why didn't she leave?
Why didn't she do anything?
Crowd is fucking crazy,especially given the fact that
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we know, because we saw from thehotel footage, what happened.
When she did try to leave, thatman chased her down, grabbed
her by her neck, threw her tothe ground, kicked her and drug
her back by her hair.
Like hello, people are like whydidn't she try to leave?
She did, and he drug her backby her hair.
Or when she jumped out of a carand he instructed one of his
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bodyguards to chase her down andbring her back, like and that's
only two instances that I amaware of where she talks about
when she did try to leave, whereshe was hunted down and brought
back like this man is wild.
She just testified that whenshe was dating kid cuddy, he was
angry and told her I'm gonnablow up his car.
And then Kid Cudi's car blew up, like he is an extremely or was
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an extremely powerful man whohad so much control over her,
not even just like romantically,because they were in a romantic
relationship, but before thateven started he was her boss,
right, like she had signed a 10album contract with this man.
A 10 album contract is fuckingcrazy.
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I just looked because I wantedto see roughly how long that
would be.
So I just looked at Beyonce'sdiscography and I counted 10
albums.
From 2003 to 2019, beyoncereleased 10 albums, so that's 16
years.
She signed roughly because,like, nobody's working like
Beyonce, but I just I usedBeyonce for reference, but she
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signed roughly a 16 yearcontract, probably more.
She was young and impressionable.
She was 19 when they starteddating, right, he was 36, full
stop, right, fucking there as a36 year old man.
What the fuck are you doingwith a 19 year old?
We're gonna act like he wasn'tpreying on her, both in the
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career space and romantically.
Please be so, fucking for real.
Her brain isn't even fullydeveloped at 19.
This is a very clear Case ofgrooming.
He groomed her in multiple waysbecause he, I feel like he knew
exactly what the fuck he wasdoing.
He knew exactly what the fuckhe was doing.
He wanted to control as much ofher as he could so that she
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would do whatever he said to do.
There's no way you couldconvince me otherwise.
Signing a 10 album contract andthen getting into a romantic
relationship when you're 36 andshe's 19, lock him away and
throw away the fucking key.
I want him under the jail.
But to see people victim blameher and question oh, why didn't
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she leave?
Why didn't she this?
Why didn't she that?
Ho, you can't even tell yourfucking hairstylist that they
fucked up your hair.
You go in for a fucking trim.
They give you a fuck-ass bob.
You tell them that you love it.
You go home, cry and make atiktok about it Like you.
Go to the nail salon.
The nail lady pulls out thatone power tool you know exactly
which one I'm talking about andshe nicks your finger.
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You're sitting there bleedingand you smile on that woman's
face and tell her you're fine.
You go to a restaurant.
The kitchen fucks up your order.
You sit there disgruntled, eatthe entire thing and then you
take it out on the waiter orwaitress by giving them a bad
tip.
You know what I mean.
Like you have a coughing fit inpublic and you feel like you're
drawing too much attention toyourself.
So you sit there with the coughlodged in your fucking throat,
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face red veins popping out ofyour fucking temple.
You'll sit there and fight foryour life rather than just cough
like people don't realize.
People pleasing comes sonaturally that you do it in
instances that are minor, minorinconveniences.
You'll, people, please, youwon't speak up, but you're
telling me that you would havespoken up against diddy, a
powerful, powerful man.
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Let me find it real quick.
Like I'm getting pissed offbecause I need y'all to be so
fucking for real and shut theentire fuck up.
And then what's killing me?
Y'all will be like oh, sheshould have left, she should
have spoke up, she should havecalled the police.
Halle Bailey is doing thatright now Went to the
authorities because she saysthat DDG was physically abusing
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her, got a restraining order andy'all are bashing her as well.
Like nothing a woman does in aviolent situation is ever good
enough for y'all.
Let's take Megan Thee Stallion,for example as well, shot on
the foot by Tory Lanez.
She didn't even press fuckingcharges.
The state of California presscharges, but y'all have not let
her breathe a fucking daybecause the state of california
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press charges on that manbecause he was a felon with a
gun and shot a woman with saidgun.
And y'all are blaming megan thestallion.
Oh, she lied.
You bitches lie about fuckingmen too.
I don't give a fuck.
That's not against the fuckinglaw.
She didn't lie when it mattered.
Which was on the stand.
Okay, god forbid.
A woman doesn't want to claim abody.
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Y'all be talking about some.
Oh, she lied, she lied.
She lied.
So did your mother.
That's why she had to get a dnatest to find out who your
father was.
Can we be for real?
It's just so fucking disgustinghow everyone is held
accountable for a man's violenceother than the man.
Why didn't she do this?
Why didn't she do that?
Why was he not violent?
Period, full stop, the end.
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The issue with violence is theperson who is perpetuating that.
Why was he not violent?
Period, full stop, the end.
The issue with violence is theperson who is perpetuating that
violence.
You have no idea what you woulddo in a violent situation and
when someone has control overyour mind whether they've gaslit
you, groomed you, whatever thatis extremely hard to break out
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of.
I was in a relationship with myex for six months.
This man was a class, anarcissist.
The way that he would gaslightme or make me question my own
reality, it was like he went toschool for it.
It was like the craziest thing,like there were times where I
would literally question my ownsanity or what I knew for a fact
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happened.
I would question it because hewas so good at twisting it to
where I would be like, wait, didthat happen?
Or do what I remember happened.
But there were several timesthat I tried to leave that
relationship because,statistically speaking, it takes
a woman about seven timestrying before she can
successfully lead an abusiverelationship.
But I can remember the scariesttime that I tried to end the
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relationship and I want to add atrigger warning because there's
mention of suicide.
So please, if you need to skipforward, please do so.
But I tried to end therelationship several times and I
remember the scariest timewhere I tried to end the
relationship.
We were fighting and you know Itexted him and I was just like
you know, this isn't healthy.
We're constantly fighting.
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I just think that it would bebetter for both of us if we just
ended the relationship.
He starts calling me incessantly, like over FaceTime and calling
my phone and video calling onInstagram, just like calling and
calling and calling.
And I'm trying to ignore all ofit.
I don't want to answer becauseI didn't want to talk to him.
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It was just not healthy.
I was, it was just not healthy.
But it keeps calling me,calling me, calling me calling
me, and I was like, ok, I'm justgoing to answer this one
FaceTime call immediately, tellhim it's over and hang up the
phone.
And I remember I answered theFaceTime call and he was laying
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down with a belt around his neckand he told me that if I ended
the FaceTime call, that he wasgoing to unalive himself.
And the belt was like tiedaround his neck, like he's like
laying there with a belt aroundhis neck and I am terrified.
I'm sitting there and I'm like,holy shit, like I felt like if
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he did kill himself, like it wasmy fault, um, and so we're on
the phone and I'm afraid to hangup and and we're talking and
anytime I said something that hedidn't.
Like he would like make thebelt around his neck a little
bit tighter because I was tryingto like gentle parent, my way
out of this relationship.
Like you know, I'm sayinganything like it's not you with
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me.
Like I just feel like I need tobe by myself right now and
anytime I would like hint atwanting to end the relationship.
He would like tighten the beltaround his neck, like and that's
why I feel like people don'tunderstand is like you can try
to end it, you can try to leave,you can try whatever, but like
if they don't want you to leave,they will do everything that
they can think of or everythingin their power to make you stay.
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And mind you, like, in thisrelationship that I was in, all
he had was a psychological whichI'm not saying I don't want to
say like all he had.
But like in the case with, likeCassie and Diddy, he like
controlled her entire life, hewas her boss.
They were in a romanticrelationship.
You know what I mean.
We were just in a romanticrelationship and I still
struggled for six months toleave because I felt every time
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I would try to leave, he woulddo something.
You know, like he wouldthreaten suicide or he would,
you know, make me think that thebest thing to do was to stay in
the relationship.
And it's just scary, it's soscary to think about, like it is
insanely hard.
Until you're in thatrelationship or you're in that
situation, you have no idea whatyou would do.
Like I said, in the relationshipthat I was in, it was like a
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psychological hold, like otherthan the romantic feelings that
I had for this man, like he hadnothing on me.
Right, I have a master's degree, this man has a birth
certificate.
If we ever got into an argumentover text, I'm a very fast
texter, just normally.
But when I'm upset, like mythumbs move a mile a minute, he
would tell me oh, you have toslow down, I can't read that
fast.
Like, admitting this all now iscrazy.
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Like, oh my god, this is soembarrassing.
But I say all this to say untilyou're in that situation, you
have no idea what you would doand it is extremely hard to get
out of that situation.
Once you're mentally in thatsituation, and then take into
account the added layer that hewas her boss and she was in this
contract with him and he couldblackball her in the industry
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like it is not as easy as y'allare trying to make it just to
like get up and leave,especially taking all this into
account.
And also, she did try to leaveand he hunted her down.
Anyway, it has been the peak ofmy week to see just her strength
and the strength of HalleBailey and also Megan Thee
Stallion, I, her guardian angels.
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I need to know the exact prayershe prays.
I need her to write it down,put it in an ebook, put it in a
verse, I don't know, put itsomewhere and hand it here,
because Megan Thee Stallion'sguardian angels do not play
about her.
Chris Brown posted free Tori onhis story and hours later that
man was arrested like the storywas still up, and that man was
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in cuffs.
And I I love that for her.
I love the hedge of protectionthat is over her and I need that
.
I need that real bad.
I just love women and I lovethe strength of women and I love
seeing them fight back in a waythat is healing for them and
reclaiming for them.
And I I just love women.
I love women and, in case therewas any discrepancy, this is a
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pro Cassie, pro Hallie, proMegan, anti JLo account?
All of my accounts?
Are these things just justthrowing that out there?
I just love seeing womenreclaim their energy and reclaim
themselves and just say fuckyou to these men who do this
shit, and I love seeing men heldaccountable, and I hope that
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justice is served in everysituation like this and to
anyone who feels as thoughthey're kind of reliving their
own trauma through this as well,because I feel like when one of
us is hurting, all of us arehurting.
You know what I mean if you'veever been in an abusive
relationship, whether that bephysical abuse or emotional
abuse, because people also don'trealize the strength of
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emotional abuse.
Emotional abuse is just as badas physical abuse.
Just because you can'tphysically see the scars does
not mean that they are not there.
So for anyone who feels likethey might be having to relive
their own trauma through all ofthis, I hope that you are all
safe.
I hope that you have a supportsystem.
I hope that you know that itwas never your fault.
However, you decided tonavigate this very scary and
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abusive situation.
If any of you ever need to talkmy DMs, my email, my everything
is always open.
Please reach out to me, not toget all high school musical on
you, but we are all in thistogether and a win for one of us
is a win for all of us, in thevery same way that a victim
blame for one of us is a victimblame for all of us.
And I want people who are victimblaming any of these women to
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also know you are showing thepeople in your real life just
how much of a safe space youaren't right.
You think that you know you'respewing this at cassie or hallie
or megan or whatever, but thepeople in your real life also
see this and are also like damn,like you might not realize it,
but the real people you'rehurting are the people in your
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real life.
You might be spewing it atcassie, hallie, megan, whoever
chances are.
They probably aren't going tosee your exact message, but the
people in your real lifeabsolutely will.
So let's just keep that in mindas well.
You're actively showing thewomen or the men in your real
life, because one in four womenand one in nine men experience
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this at some point in theirlives.
You are showing them that youare not a safe space, even if
you feel like you don't knowanyone who's experienced it.
I promise you you do, and theyare seeing exactly how you are
responding to all of thesesituations.
I hope that y'all will keepthat in mind and I hope that you
will understand.
Psychological and physical abuseis very real.
It is an extremely difficultsituation to get out of and to
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finally come to terms with andleave, and it's just like I just
need more people to reallyunderstand that and hopefully
you will do the work and youwill.
That was kind of long and kindof all over the place, but that
has been the peak of my week isjust seeing the strength of
women and seeing women cometogether.
Thankfully, I've realized, too,that I'm surrounding myself
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with great people, becauseeveryone that I've talked about
personally or my mutuals online,my friends online like they're
all on the right side of all ofthis, and so that's just like
healing and validating for methat the people that I'm
surrounding myself with are goodpeople.
So, anyway, that's been thepeak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek something that made you
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smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the peak of my week.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek something that made you
smile, kept you grounded, keptyou sane in the chaos of the
world, while I do feel like thispast week has been a win for
women, the Lord works hard, butthe US government, it, works
harder.
We are living an actual episodeof the Handmaid's Tale in real
life right now.
There's this woman.
Her name is Adriana Smith andshe went to the hospital back in
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February because she was havingheadaches.
They gave her medication andthey sent her home.
The next day, her boyfriendwoke up to her gasping for air
and he called the police.
She was rushed to the hospital.
They found that she hasmultiple blood clots in her
brain and she was declared braindead.
However, she's nine weekspregnant or she was nine weeks
pregnant back in February whenthis all started and so, since
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she was pregnant, they arekeeping her on a ventilator so
that she can be an incubator forthe baby.
That's essentially what they'redoing to her right now.
She is an incubator for thisbaby, who was nine weeks when
this process started.
So clump of cells, not viableheartbeat, sure, but cannot
survive on its own.
At nine weeks, okay, butbecause of Georgia's abortion
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law, which is known as theheartbeat law, an abortion is
illegal after a heartbeat can bedetected, which is around six
weeks.
So she was declared brain dead,which is legally dead.
If you're brain dead, doctorscan't do anything to bring you
back.
So she was declared dead whenshe was nine weeks pregnant.
She is now currently 21 weekspregnant and they plan to keep
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her on the ventilator until thebaby reaches a stage where it
can be safely delivered I say inquotes, which is 32 weeks.
So at this point she has beenon this ventilator for longer
than she was ever even pregnantand they're going to keep her on
it against her family's wishes.
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And also her family has to payfor this medical treatment,
which they are against.
They have said they do not wanther to be on this ventilator,
but they plan to keep her onthis ventilator for at least
another 11 weeks until they feellike they can safely deliver
the baby.
Mind you, the baby has fluid onits brain, so high chance that
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the baby won't even survive.
But they refuse to take her offof this ventilator because of
the abortion laws.
What the fuck is happening?
We are literally living in anepisode of the Handmaid's Tale.
There is literally an episodeof the Handmaid's Tale where one
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of the handmaids is dead andthey keep her on a ventilator
because she is pregnant and theywant to deliver the baby on a
ventilator because she ispregnant and they want to
deliver the baby.
I am sick to my stomach becauseagain her mom has said the
family has no choice in this.
The doctors have told her momshe's not allowed to make
medical decisions for her andthey plan to keep her on this
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ventilator until they candeliver this baby while at the
same time charging the family.
They're not allowed to makemedical decisions, but they have
to pay for said medicaldecisions.
What are we even talking about?
And partially I understand thedoctor's hesitancy because with
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these abortion laws like they'refucking ridiculous.
They could be chargedcriminally, they could lose
their jobs, they could losetheir license to practice
medicine, like.
So I can understand, like theirhesitancy or their want to to
do this because like there's somuch of a gray area, but at the
same time I feel like this isn'ta gray area, like if a woman is
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pregnant and she gets into acar accident and she dies,
that's not her having anabortion.
Like she died and her baby died, like you know.
You see what I'm saying.
So it's like adriana went to thedoctor because she was having
headaches, they gave hermedicine, sent her home.
She went because she was havingtrouble, she was having
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terrible headaches, and theydidn't look or didn't do I don't
.
I don't know the the specifics,but they didn't do anything to
really help her.
They gave her medicine and senther home.
The next day she's gasping forair.
So her boyfriend calls 9-1-1.
They find she has blood clotsand now she has to be kept alive
because the first hospitaldidn't do what they were
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supposed to do and didn't doenough investigating to figure
out why she was having theseterrible headaches.
Like legally, I don't see howthis can be considered an
abortion and even lawyers andpeople in the legal field have
said, like this is not anabortion.
So it's like I I'm notunderstanding the discrepancy at
the same time, like, yes, I canunderstand the doctor
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discrepancy.
At the same time, like, yes, Ican understand the doctor's
hesitancy, but at the same time,I can't Because this there's no
way that this can be consideredan abortion and I need someone
in the legal field to like stepin and do something.
This is like inhumane.
This is inhumane to keep thiswoman alive just to deliver the
baby, baby, and then the babymight not even survive because
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the baby has fluid on its brainand the baby could be blind or
not be able to walk.
And then and then, even if thebaby is able to be successfully
delivered and it lives, they'renot gonna give a fuck about that
baby once it's here.
No universal health care, nofree lunch, school shootings out
of the fucking wazoo, like whydoes a fetus have more of a
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right to life and protectionthan actual living, walking
human beings?
Pro-life, my fucking ass.
You only give a fuck aboutfetuses when they're not even.
That's not a life.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?
This poor woman?
This is so inhumane for her,for her family, for her son, to
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see her in this situation, inthis position, because they
would rather make her anincubator than actually give a
fuck about her for a fuckingfetus, bro I.
This is not real.
Real.
This is ridiculous and I needsomebody to do something.
Because what the fuck?
I just don't even understandhow this was able to go on for
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so long.
This whole thing started whenshe was nine weeks pregnant.
She's currently 21 weekspregnant.
She's been on a ventilator,she's been an incubator for the
majority of her pregnancy atthis point and will continue to
be so for 11 weeks, and nobodyin that hospital is thinking hmm
, you know, maybe we shouldn'tbe doing this.
There's just no way that thiscan be considered an abortion,
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and this is why we need federalprotection of abortion rights,
because let roles be reversedand the law is now men have to
get mandatory vasectomies.
That shit would never fuckingfly.
It's it was never about beingpro-life.
It is literally their weird,demonic, vile obsession with
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controlling women's bodies, withcontrolling women, period.
Honestly, we see this in everysituation, from Cassie to Halle
to Megan to Adriana.
Like, what is the obsessionwith wanting to control women?
Holy fuck, are y'all okay?
The world would be so muchbetter if y'all would just leave
us the fuck alone.
Have y'all ever considered justleaving us the fuck alone?
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And then?
This is why I cannot be friendswith people who are like oh, we
can agree to disagree.
Yes, I'm a trump supporter, butfuck you, fuck you, fuck you,
fuck you I.
This is my life on the line,this is other women's lives on
the line, and you guys want totell me oh, but he's great for
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the economy did.
Shut the fuck up, immediately.
Shut the fuck up.
All of this is just making meinsanely sick to my stomach and
I'm so worried for the safety ofwomen, especially women in red
states, because this couldhappen to anyone.
You know know what I mean.
Like pregnancy is beautiful, abeautiful thing, but it's also
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an extremely scary thing and younever know what could happen.
And with these laws and themcaring more about fetuses than
actual living breathing women,like it's just like it makes me
sick to my stomach and I don'tunderstand how this can even be
happening right now.
Like this is something straightout of a dystopian TV show and
we're seeing this in realfucking light.
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I'm just sick to my stomach andI need someone to step in and
do something.
I don't know who, but someonehas to do something.
This is, this, is inhumane andI fear that if it happens in one
situation this, this is gonna,this can spiral real quickly and
real aggressively and get wayout of hand.
Like we've already seen acouple cases of women who have
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died because of these abortionlaws.
And now we're seeing a womanthey won't even let her rest in
peace because of these abortionlaws and like I'm just like sick
to my stomach and then theywonder why women don't want to
have kids, first of all, in thisfucking economy hell.
No.
Second of all, in this fuckingpolitical climate hell, fucking.
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No, absolutely not.
I just hope that all women aretaking necessary precautions to
protect themselves, and itshouldn't even be that we have
to take precautions.
It should just be that menshouldn't be violent towards us
and the government shouldn't becontrolling our fucking bodies.
But I just hope that everyoneis protecting themselves.
Do whatever you have to do,because it's it's just really
crazy.
Out here.
There's really no safe spacefor women, especially black
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women, and it just makes me sickto my stomach.
Do whatever you have to do toprotect yourself.
Keep that thing on you and keepthat other thing out of you, if
you know, if you know what Imean, because this shit is just
crazy.
I hope that everyone is stayingsafe.
I'm sending so much love andprayers to cassie, hallie, megan
, all women in violentsituations.
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I am praying and hoping thatsomething is done with Adriana
and she is able to rest.
I'm praying for her familystrength.
This is just.
The world is just so fuckingcrazy.
It's just so much going on, andI'm just hoping for justice for
all of us.
Thank you for tuning intotoday's episode.
Stay safe, have a good week andI will talk to you in the next
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episode.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
The napkin in between, hostedby Dejanae.
Hosted by Dejanae Jones,produced by Dejanae Jones,
post-production by Dejanae Jones, music by Sam Champagne and
graphics by Yzma Vidal.
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