November 2, 2025 • 30 mins
A cozy Halloween intro turns into a tough but needed conversation about racism, accountability, and how fast the internet can lose the plot. We share why inner-child joy and speaking up are connected, then walk through a viral moment where a racial slur got brushed off as “awkward laughter.” If you’ve ever wondered where apology ends and accountability begins, or why audiences keep mistaking critique for “hate,” you’ll find clarity here—along with a push for action that goes beyond statements.
We talk candidly about how donations and concrete commitments shift apologies from optics to outcomes, and why being anti-racist means calling out microaggressions with the same urgency as overt slurs. From there, we unpack the whiplash pivot that turned righteous anger into a false rivalry between two Black women who haven’t attacked each other. This is where parasocial fandom and misogyny collide—when women get blamed for men’s words, when nuance vanishes, and when the original harm gets buried under team loyalty and clout-chasing.
Throughout, we own our wording, tighten our framing, and refuse to let the narrative drift. You can support ChellEy and Olandria at the same time. You can demand better from castmates, brands, and platforms without fueling baseless feuds. Protect Black women means both/and: call out the harm, refuse the scapegoating, and keep the focus where it belongs.
If this conversation resonates, tap follow, share it with a friend who cares about real accountability, and leave a review with your take: what does meaningful anti-racism look like in your community?
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Daijné (00:00):
Is this thing on?
Hello, hello.
Uh-oh.
Another yuffer with a mic.
Hello everyone.
Welcome back to theNapkin In Between podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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Orange Nick Lady.
Of course.
Y'all, it's Halloween.
Oh my god, I love Halloween.
I love Halloween.
It is like genuinely one of myfavorite holidays.
I just like the concept of likeof playing dress up.
Essentially, that's what itfeels like to me.
It's like Halloween is justlike everybody is playing dress
up and you get to be whateveryou want for a night.
(00:42):
Like, ugh.
The concept of that is justlike so fun to me and so
freeing.
Like you can literally bewhatever you want.
And I love that.
I also think I just loveHalloween because, like, as a
kid, I grew up in a very strictChristian household.
And so as a kid, I was thinkingabout this the other day.
I think I wenttrick-or-treating like one time.
(01:03):
I can remembertrick-or-treating one time in my
entire childhood.
And I feel like a lot ofhealing trauma, at least for me
personally, is just like healingyour inner child.
You know what I mean?
Just like doing things that youweren't necessarily allowed to
do as a child, or like, youknow, standing up for yourself.
Like for me personally, as achild, like standing up for
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myself was seen as disrespectfuland like talking back.
And so, like, it took me solong to finally find my voice.
That's why I'm a yapper now, Ithink.
Because like as a child, I wasalways like told, like, oh my
god, you're so quiet.
You never talk, da da da da da.
But then when I would try totalk, like I would also get in
trouble and like be told like Iwas disrespectful.
And like essentially, it waslike, you need to talk more, but
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like not like that.
You know what I mean?
And I think like as an adult,again, now I have free will and
I can do all the fucking talkingI want.
That's why I just like sit inthis bed and just like yap into
a microphone, or like my videoson TikTok is literally just me
like talking.
Like, I didn't get to talk as achild, or like that sounds
crazy to say, but like there'salso some truth to it, you know?
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Like, I just didn't get to likefully vocalize and and say like
what I wanted to say.
So now I'm just like, fuck it.
I'm gonna say everything that Iwant to say.
Maybe sometimes I could be alittle better at it, and we'll
talk about that a little bitlater in this episode, actually.
But yeah, I just like love totalk.
So yeah, it's just all a bigball.
Adulthood is really justhealing your inner child.
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That's that's what it reallyis.
In order to fully enjoyadulthood, I firmly believe that
you have to heal your innerchild, and so that's why I talk
so much, that's why I loveHalloween.
Like, two of the biggest thingsthat I like wanted to do as a
child, I like wasn't able to doin the way that I wanted to do
them.
And so now I'm just like, nowI'm just gonna do it.
Fuck it.
So I say all that to say thepeak of my week is just like I
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it hasn't even really happenedyet.
Me and well, by the time thisepisode comes out, at the time
of filming, it hasn't happened,but by this episode goes out, it
Halloween would have likeHalloween would have passed.
Um, but I'm just really excitedabout Halloween weekend and
going out and dressing up andbeing with friends.
Like, I just like giddythinking about it.
So that's definitely been thepeak of my week, or will be the
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peak of my week.
And also has been, just likethe anticipation.
I just love Halloween and beinga nanny, like my nanny kids are
really excited about Halloween.
We decorated their apartment,which was really fun, and so
yeah, I just love I just lovethe Halloween spirit.
You know what I mean?
It's just like it's just so funand so freeing and so like
childlike, and I just love that.
So that has definitely been thepeak of my week.
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Please tell me the pick of yourweek.
Something that made you smile,kept you grounded, kept you sane
in the chaos of the world.
Seguing into what we're gonnatalk about today.
The last 24 hours have feltlike a fever dream to me.
Because I have seen how quicklyand how drastically people can
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lose the plot.
People can twist something intosomething that like it just it
it wasn't, and use it as anopportunity to further attack
and spew vitriol and hate andjust like bullshit at people who
are simply just like existingand trying to live their lives
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peacefully and gracefully, andit's just been it's just been
really a crazy wild wicked 24hours.
So yesterday morning when Iwoke up, literally the very
first thing that I saw was thisvideo of Huda and her boyfriend
Louise Huda from Love Islandseason seven and her boyfriend
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Luis Lewis, I don't really knowhow to say his name correctly,
but literally woke up at 8 30a.m.
First thing I saw was thisvideo of Huda and Louise, and
I'll I'll put a clip in here sothat you guys can see the video
that I'm referring to.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Hello?
Whoa, okay, imagine waking up.
Daijné (05:26):
This is why I need I need to stop waking up, and the
first thing that I do is likeget on TikTok.
It immediately that videoimmediately pissed me off,
rightfully so.
But like maybe I should startlike starting my day a little
bit.
Getting up, getting in theshower, having some breakfast,
putting something on my stomachbefore I met with just like
overt fucking racism, like themost insane shit.
And so obviously, after I sawthat video, people online were
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upset, rightfully so, like,because like what about a racial
slur is funny.
And I I'm seeing Huda makeexcuses for herself, obviously,
like fork fountain kitchen.
That's that's what she does,and saying, like, oh, it was
like an awkward situation, itwas awkward laughter, I was just
nervous, I didn't hear what wasgoing on, I didn't hear the
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whole thing, all I heard was theracial slur.
And it's like, first of all, Ican very clearly hear through
the recording what was said.
Okay, it I mean it's it's clearas day.
You have the phone damn nearglued to your fucking ear, like
this.
For the audio listeners youcan't see, but like for the
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visual listeners, the phone isglued to your ear like this, and
you're trying to convince methat you couldn't hear what was
said.
Be so fucking for real.
Be so fucking for real.
Second of all, you said, oh, II couldn't hear what was said,
all I heard was the racial slur.
Let's just for the sake of theargument, let's just say that
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that's true.
All you heard was the racialslur.
What about racial slurs isfunny?
Why are we laughing?
You know what I mean?
Especially coming from thewoman who at the reunion said
that you know she was receivinguh racist comments and remarks
from people as well.
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That's why she couldn't speakup about the racism that Shelly
and Alandria were facing.
Because she was also, you know,receiving racism and she was
just super busy and she justdidn't have the time, blah blah
blah blah.
So if you are also receivingracism and things like that,
which I'm not saying that shedidn't, I I didn't see it, but
just because I didn't see itdoesn't mean that it it's not
there.
So if you are saying that youalso received racism and it was
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negatively affecting you, howcould you possibly turn around
and laugh at any sort of racism?
That just does not make senseto me.
That does not make sense to me.
Any like if you are receivingracism, how can racism in any
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form, whether it's directed atyou or not, be funny?
Because the way that I see itand the way that I process it as
someone who has you knowreceived racism and it has
negatively affected me, I can'tlook at racism towards other
people that I claim to careabout, mind you, that I claim to
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have respect for and was at onepoint friends with, whatever,
and and see that as like, oh, itwas just very awkward, oh, I
was like nervous, oh that's whyI left.
Wouldn't you want toimmediately shut that down?
Because you have been on thereceiving end of racism.
So it's like if you've been onthe receiving end of it and you
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know just how shitty that feelsand how much that affects you,
why would you not want toimmediately shut that down for
somebody else?
Math isn't mathing to me.
I I don't I don't it's notadding up to me.
And then for her initialresponse to you know people
calling out her laughing andstuff like that, her initial
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response wasn't to condemn theracism, it was to respond to the
backlash that she was receivingfor laughing at Alandria being
called a racial slur.
Which tells me so much abouther.
First of all, I knew who Hudawas from episode two when she
became very micro-aggressivetowards Alandria because
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Alandria had asked her, youknow, it was it was the scene
where Sierra, you know, waschoosing who to couple up with,
and like the men were told ifyou want to couple up with
Sierra, you know, stand up orwhatever.
And all of the guys had stoodup for a chance to recouple with
Sierra, apart from Jeremiah,who at the time was coupled up
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with Huda.
And HUDA immediately starts tomake the whole situation about
her, and like, oh, y'all deservesome real men, and oh my god,
Jeremiah, I'm so proud of you.
Like, you know, like oh, y'all,y'all deserve real men.
And Elandria is like, girl, youdon't have to do that.
Like, we're not upset.
It's still really early, likeyou can stop this, like, we'll
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talk about it later.
Huda then starts crying andit's like, oh my god, why would
Elandria do that?
That was so mean.
I would never do that in frontof everyone, mind you.
A couple episodes later, she'sgoing on a rant about Iris and
how Jeremiah said he doesn'treally like Iris and da da da
da.
Whatever.
Um, but she's going on thishuge, like, oh my god, poor me,
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that was so mean.
Why was Elandria so mean to me?
That's when I clocked Huda.
That's when I knew.
I said, Oh bitch, I knowexactly what you are.
Because all of that was notfucking necessary.
All Elandria said was, we'lltalk about it later, we'll have
a chat later.
And Huda d dissolved into apuddle of tears over just being
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asked to like relax, and you canhear Shelly in the background
saying, like, oh, it's just agame.
It was the second fuckingepisode.
They had known each other forall of what 24-48 hours.
Like, you're doing far too muchfor it to be day two of this
whole experience.
But that was when I knew, oh,Huda, I I don't that was when
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like my my bulb came up, youknow what I'm saying?
Like, oh, we gotta keep an eyeout for you, and then from there
on, it had just been a snowballeffect of seeing Huda do more
shit and not be a safe space forShelly or Landria and not have
their backs, like it it justsnowballed into all of this
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behavior, and not just Shellyand Alandria, Chris as well.
I'm still not over the factthat we literally watched her
trying to sexually coerce Chrisinto sex on national television,
like we sped by that, like thatwas not addressed enough for
me.
I I'm still there, and alsolike the way that she was with
Jeremiah, like just very, verytoxic individual.
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And I like had Love Island donetheir jobs and in well, first
of all, had they done their jobsand realized before the show,
hey, like maybe she's not thebest fit for national
television, that would have beengreat.
But then even after her crashout with Jeremiah, she should
have gone home after thatbecause it was just far too
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much.
Unfortunately, she didn't, andyou know, she was honestly she
was rewarded for this behavior.
She was allowed to stay on theshow, she's been given this huge
platform, and now we're seeingthe snowball effect of her
continue to just display all ofthis negative bad behavior.
And I think because there isthis history of her, you know,
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being rewarded or not being heldaccountable for this negative
behavior.
I think that that's why sheinitially responded the way that
she did.
Because she was likeessentially thought to herself,
like, oh, this will blow over,like no one will really care.
Like that, I mean that's whatit's been in the past, right?
Like, she's been doing all ofthese negative, terrible things,
and there's really been noaccountability.
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So I think that, you know,that's the mindset that she was
going into this with is justlike no one's gonna really hold
me accountable.
I I'll it'll blow over.
Because that's what's happenedin the past.
To her surprise, Alandria, whois just a fucking queen, I love
her so much.
But she responded and obviouslycalled out the racism, called
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out the response, the initialresponse from Huda and Louis to
the racism.
And she essentially said, youknow, save your fake apologies,
let's put your money where yourmouth is, let's donate to these
organizations that help, youknow, fight racial disparity and
discrimination and differentthings like that.
That was the best thing and thebest way that the landria could
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have handled the situationbecause it forced
accountability.
And I think that that wasnecessary and important because,
again, she's never really beenheld accountable for her
behavior.
She's she still has a platform,she's had these brand deals,
and you know, people are youknow making excuses for her,
she's making excuses forherself, and it's always worked
until this situation, untilAlandria was like, listen, this
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is not an appropriate responseto racism, like it should always
be immediately called out.
And not only should you, youknow, post your surface level
apology, let's actuallyreparations, bitch.
Like, let's do something tohelp fight racial disparity and
racism and racial inequalities.
And I loved seeing that.
I loved seeing Huda be heldaccountable because, again, it
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is necessary.
And of course, there were HUDAfans who were like, oh my god,
y'all are just hating.
Da-da-da-da-da.
I need y'all to understand thatholding somebody accountable
for racism is not hating.
We should be holding peopleaccountable for racism.
Like, and it it blows my mindthat that that has to be said,
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that some of y'all don'tunderstand the difference
between hating and holdingsomebody accountable for their
behavior.
But it's like, I I really needy'all to be so fucking for real.
Someone can't be a part of theproblem, and when they're held
accountable for being a part ofthe problem, it's called hating
on that person.
How the fuck are we supposed tocombat racism if every time
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people try to call racism out,y'all just view it as hating or
trying to hate on somebody?
Like, let's let's be so fuckingfor real.
And all forms of racism need tobe called out.
Just because someone isn'tspewing the N-word or saying
from the top of their lungs,like, I hate black people or
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whatever, does not mean thatthey are not being racist.
There is a such thing asmicroaggressions, and
microaggressions also helpeduphold racism.
And that's why I say it's notenough to say you're not racist,
you have to be anti-racistbecause racism, especially in
America, is so embedded intoevery part of our society that
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if you are not actively tryingto combat and fight racism, you
will be racist.
Whether you mean to be racistor you like don't even realize
you're being racist, it canstill happen because it is so
embedded into every part of oursociety.
And so that's why I was sohappy to see Huda being held
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accountable because people whoare racist or condone racism or
don't immediately call outracism, like all of that has to
be held accountable.
But for some reason, itswitched from Huda being held
accountable for not immediatelycondemning the racism to now
people making this a Shellyversus Alandria thing.
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Ayo?
Like what is going on?
And I have to I have to holdmyself accountable here too
because I made a video and Ihave to I have to remember that
the way my brain works doesn'tcompute always how I mean it to.
And and I need to hold myselfaccountable for that because I
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made a video and I had said thatevery islander or brand who is
not calling out this racism thatAlandria is facing, like I'm
side-eyeing them.
And then I went on to say,y'all are so quick to party with
her or to use her for views forclout to use her for your
brands or whatever.
But when it comes to actuallystanding up for her and showing
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that you really, you know, dostand for her, like it nobody's
saying anything.
Because like it had been almosta full day of you know, this
video circulating, peopletalking about it, and I know
people had seen it, and very fewpeople had said something.
Aqua Day Capir, the freakywater people, they had said
something.
Nick had said something, andthat was the only two that I
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saw, and it really rubbed me thewrong way because I'm like,
y'all were just partying withher, y'all are using her, you
know, as like for your brands,for clicks, reviews, for
whatever.
But when she needs it, likewhen she needs someone to stand
with her, like nobody is there,like I'm side-eyeing you.
And so the way that it computedin my brain was like, yes, I
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said every islander, but then Iwent on to explain, you know,
like y'all have been partyingwith her.
So the way that it it the waythat I meant it and the way that
it computed in my brain wasthat I was saying every islander
who had just been recentlypartying with her, not just
every islander in general.
However, in the comments ofthat video, people were starting
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to call out Shelly.
Like, oh my god, yeah, why wasShelly posting her Halloween
costume and and Shelly hasn'tspoken out for Alandria and
da-da-da-da.
And I'm like, whoa.
When the fuck did I sayanything about Shelly?
And I I was responding tocomments to be like, mind you, I
said in this video, people whohave been recently partying with
her, was Shelly recentlypartying with Alandria?
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Because I missed it.
And trust, like, unfortunately,I I'm chronically online.
If if they were together,because I missed my girls
together, not gonna yay.
Anyway, it was so confusing tome how people saw that video and
immediately jumped to Shelly.
And again, I'll take someaccountability for that because
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I did say every islander.
I feel like I went on to thensay, like, how are you partying
with her, but not standing withher and backing her in the face
of racism.
And so in my brain, everyislander that has been partying
with her is how I how I meantit.
I could have worded it better.
And so I'll take accountabilityfor that.
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However, at the same time, I dofeel like there are people in
every fan base, whether you area Huda fan, a Shelly fan, an
Alandria fan, a Nickelandriafan, a Shelley's fan, like there
are people in every fan basewho just like it seems like
y'all sit and wait for a reasonto bash Shelly or Alandria.
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And it is like really, reallyfucking weird and really
parasocial.
And it's it's honestly sowhacked me how it went from
holding Huda accountable to nowit being Shelly versus Alandria.
Because at the end of the day,neither Shelly nor Alandria, at
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least from from what I've beenable to see, if you can send me
a clip, an article, anything todispute this, then I will stand
corrected.
But at the moment, I have notseen Shelly say one negative
thing about Alandria or Alandriasay one negative thing about
Shelly.
What I have seen though, arepeople on both sides.
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People who are fans of Alandriaand people who are fans of
Shelly attempt to hold Shellyand Alandria accountable for
things that other people havesaid.
For example, the Ace interviewwith Speedy.
Y'all can go back and look atthe video that I posted after
that video or after thatinterview was published.
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Because I said in that, in thatvideo, if I look at it through
only Ace's lens, right?
I can see how you sayingsomething to me in private, but
then saying something differentin public, it looks like you're
not being real, it looks likeyou're being fake, it looks like
you're not standing upbusiness, it looks like you're
switching up.
I can see that.
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I can see where Ace is comingfrom.
At the same time, it is notfair to look at the situation
only through that lens, right?
Nick, anything that Nick sayspublicly is going to fall back
on Alandria.
So when he's asked, Oh, do youthink all final four couples in
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the finale deserve to be there?
He, if he maybe he doesn't feelthat way.
Can he fully say that publicly?
No.
Because at the end of the day,people are going to use that as
an excuse to hate on Alandria.
So when I look at it that way,and when I look at all of the
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moving parts and these fan basesand you know how everyone is
operating and acting, I canunderstand why Nick does not
publicly say, maybe fully whathe feels, because at the end of
the day, people are going to usethat as an excuse to hate on
Alandria.
So do I think that Ace shouldhave said what he said in that
interview publicly?
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No.
Do I think Ace is wrong for hisfeelings?
Also, no.
Because again, if I look at itjust from Ace's lens, it does
look like a switch up.
It does look like you're notstanding on business.
However, it's it's veryimmature, I think, to look at it
just through one lens, right?
You have to consider all of themoving parts.
And I don't think that Acereally did that before he went
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on that interview.
I can say that, and also at thesame time understand that, you
know, his feelings were probablyhurt.
And he acted out of emotion.
And like, that's not okay.
I'm not saying it is okay.
I'm just saying that Iunderstand it.
However, after that interview,I also said in my video that the
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same way that people will holdAlandria accountable for what
Nick says, people will do thesame thing with Shelly.
They're gonna hold Shellyaccountable for what Ace said.
And I said after thatinterview, even though I can
understand where Ace is comingfrom and I understand from his
point of view how it looks, Idon't think that he should have
said any of that publicly.
Because not only is it going tohave people hating on Alandria,
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it's also gonna have peoplehating on Shelly.
And just like I fucking knewpeople have been at Shelly since
that interview.
Oh, why would Ace say that?
Mind you, listen to what you'resaying.
You're mad at Shelly and tryingto hold Shelly accountable for
something that Ace said.
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I don't think that's fair.
Number one, that's rooted inmisogyny.
That is absolutely rooted inmisogyny to attempt to hold a
woman accountable for a grownman, a grown man's actions,
1000% rooted in misogyny.
I need y'all to realize thatand I need y'all to unpack that.
And I feel like that'shappening on both sides, and
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it's really fucking problematic.
Like, people are holding Shellyand Alandria accountable for
things that other people havedone, and neither one of those
things is okay.
Because again, and if again, ifyou want to send me a clip, an
article, whatever, to prove mewrong, please, please do that.
But I have not seen Shelly sayone negative thing about
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Alandria or Alandria say onenegative thing about Shelly, so
I don't understand why it's soAlandria versus Shelly when you
can support both of them.
You know what I mean?
Like you can you can like bothof them, it doesn't have to be
so polarized to the point whereAlandria was the victim of
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racism, and it's somehow beingturned to Alandria versus Shelly
rather than calling out theracism.
Like I'm I'm just veryconfused, and it's it's very
much giving fever dream to me.
Like, how how did we get here?
How did we get to it now beingpeople who are fans of Alandria
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fighting people who are fans ofShelly rather than everyone
coming together to fight theracism?
Like, I'm so I'm so confused.
I genuinely don't know how wegot here.
But it's like it's very spooky,it's very spooky because the
plot is just being so lost, andI I just don't understand it.
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I don't understand how it gotto this part, and I want to take
accountability also becauseagain, I don't feel like I
worded my video fully correctly,and I'll take ownership of
that.
I should have been more carefulbecause I genuinely like again
that video had nothing to dowith Shelly, but I genuinely had
no doubt that Shelly was gonnaspeak up for Alandria.
Shelly has spoken up forAlandria and Alandria has spoken
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up for Shelly.
They've both spoken up for eachother ever since leaving the
villa.
So I never it never evencrossed my mind that people
would take my video as a way tomake it about Shelly because
that like genuinely she was noteven on my mind when I made that
video.
Like I she never crossed mymind because again, I never had
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any doubt that Shelly wouldwould be in Elandria's corner.
I like never had any fuckingdoubt.
But the fact that it is nowbecoming like Shelly's fans now
fighting with Alandria's fans,like oh my god, we will never be
free.
Like, how how did it how did itcome to this?
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I don't understand it.
But I just wanted to say, like,you can support Shelly and
Alandria at the same time.
Because, and again, to myknowledge, neither one of them
has ever said anything negativeabout the other person.
Both of them are being heldaccountable for things that
other people have said, notanything that they have said,
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and that is very parasocial tome and very problematic, and it
just goes to further pit twoblack women against each other,
and I fucking hate that.
I hate that so much becauseneither one of them have done
anything to deserve this hateand this vitriol and this just
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like disgusting behavior thatthey're both they're both
receiving.
I it's not just Shelly fansgoing after Alandria, it's not
just Alandria fans going afterShelly, both both parties are
doing it, and both are wrong.
And I again don't understandhow it got from holding Huda
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accountable for the racism tonow Shelly and Alandria being
pitted against each other.
But I think we all likeeveryone needs to take a step
back and realize like this isnot this is not it.
It was supposed to be callingout racism, and somehow it got
to Shelly versus Alandria, andit's so sickening to me.
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It makes me so sad, it makes meso disgusted because the plot
is just so violently,dangerously lost, like crazy
fucking shit.
So I just want to say veryloudly and very clearly over
here, it is always protect blackwomen, protect Alandria,
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protect Shelly.
There's no reason that this itshould be Alandria versus Shelly
at all.
You there's no fucking reasonbecause neither one of them has
done anything to deserve that.
Like that is so fucking sick tome, and it is it's crazy to me
how quickly the plot can be lostand how the the point or the
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goal can be so just likemisconstrued.
But I just want to make sure itis it is very publicly known,
it has always been and alwayswill be protect black women.
None of my pages are ever asafe space for anyone to bash
Shelly, to bash Alandria.
No, I it is protects blackwomen, both black women, all
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black women.
Forever, always.
I am both Team Alandria andTeam Shelly at the same time,
and I need more people tounderstand that that is
something that can happen, andthat is something that should
should be happening.
There should it should neverhave ever gotten to Shelly
versus Alandria because again,neither one of them have done
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anything to deserve that.
No, not.
Neither one of them have doneanything to each other.
And it's it's just really crazyto me how it even got here.
But I just wanted to make itabundantly clear.
It has always been and alwayswill be protect black women.
So I need y'all to r rememberthe plot and remember the goal,
which is to fight racism and toprotect black women.
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So I I really, really hope thishelps.
Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode.
I hope everyone's having a goodweek except for that orange
drink lady.
And I will talk to you in thenext episode.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
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Welcome back to theNapkin In Between podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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Orange Nick Lady.
Of course.
Y'all, it's Halloween.
Oh my god, I love Halloween.
I love Halloween.
It is like genuinely one of myfavorite holidays.
I just like the concept of likeof playing dress up.
Essentially, that's what itfeels like to me.
It's like Halloween is justlike everybody is playing dress
up and you get to be whateveryou want for a night.
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Like, ugh.
The concept of that is justlike so fun to me and so
freeing.
Like you can literally bewhatever you want.
And I love that.
I also think I just loveHalloween because, like, as a
kid, I grew up in a very strictChristian household.
And so as a kid, I was thinkingabout this the other day.
I think I wenttrick-or-treating like one time.
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I can remembertrick-or-treating one time in my
entire childhood.
And I feel like a lot ofhealing trauma, at least for me
personally, is just like healingyour inner child.
You know what I mean?
Just like doing things that youweren't necessarily allowed to
do as a child, or like, youknow, standing up for yourself.
Like for me personally, as achild, like standing up for
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myself was seen as disrespectfuland like talking back.
And so, like, it took me solong to finally find my voice.
That's why I'm a yapper now, Ithink.
Because like as a child, I wasalways like told, like, oh my
god, you're so quiet.
You never talk, da da da da da.
But then when I would try totalk, like I would also get in
trouble and like be told like Iwas disrespectful.
And like essentially, it waslike, you need to talk more, but
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like not like that.
You know what I mean?
And I think like as an adult,again, now I have free will and
I can do all the fucking talkingI want.
That's why I just like sit inthis bed and just like yap into
a microphone, or like my videoson TikTok is literally just me
like talking.
Like, I didn't get to talk as achild, or like that sounds
crazy to say, but like there'salso some truth to it, you know?
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Like, I just didn't get to likefully vocalize and and say like
what I wanted to say.
So now I'm just like, fuck it.
I'm gonna say everything that Iwant to say.
Maybe sometimes I could be alittle better at it, and we'll
talk about that a little bitlater in this episode, actually.
But yeah, I just like love totalk.
So yeah, it's just all a bigball.
Adulthood is really justhealing your inner child.
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That's that's what it reallyis.
In order to fully enjoyadulthood, I firmly believe that
you have to heal your innerchild, and so that's why I talk
so much, that's why I loveHalloween.
Like, two of the biggest thingsthat I like wanted to do as a
child, I like wasn't able to doin the way that I wanted to do
them.
And so now I'm just like, nowI'm just gonna do it.
Fuck it.
So I say all that to say thepeak of my week is just like I
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it hasn't even really happenedyet.
Me and well, by the time thisepisode comes out, at the time
of filming, it hasn't happened,but by this episode goes out, it
Halloween would have likeHalloween would have passed.
Um, but I'm just really excitedabout Halloween weekend and
going out and dressing up andbeing with friends.
Like, I just like giddythinking about it.
So that's definitely been thepeak of my week, or will be the
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peak of my week.
And also has been, just likethe anticipation.
I just love Halloween and beinga nanny, like my nanny kids are
really excited about Halloween.
We decorated their apartment,which was really fun, and so
yeah, I just love I just lovethe Halloween spirit.
You know what I mean?
It's just like it's just so funand so freeing and so like
childlike, and I just love that.
So that has definitely been thepeak of my week.
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Please tell me the pick of yourweek.
Something that made you smile,kept you grounded, kept you sane
in the chaos of the world.
Seguing into what we're gonnatalk about today.
The last 24 hours have feltlike a fever dream to me.
Because I have seen how quicklyand how drastically people can
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lose the plot.
People can twist something intosomething that like it just it
it wasn't, and use it as anopportunity to further attack
and spew vitriol and hate andjust like bullshit at people who
are simply just like existingand trying to live their lives
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peacefully and gracefully, andit's just been it's just been
really a crazy wild wicked 24hours.
So yesterday morning when Iwoke up, literally the very
first thing that I saw was thisvideo of Huda and her boyfriend
Louise Huda from Love Islandseason seven and her boyfriend
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Luis Lewis, I don't really knowhow to say his name correctly,
but literally woke up at 8 30a.m.
First thing I saw was thisvideo of Huda and Louise, and
I'll I'll put a clip in here sothat you guys can see the video
that I'm referring to.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Hello?
Whoa, okay, imagine waking up.
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This is why I need I need to stop waking up, and the
first thing that I do is likeget on TikTok.
It immediately that videoimmediately pissed me off,
rightfully so.
But like maybe I should startlike starting my day a little
bit.
Getting up, getting in theshower, having some breakfast,
putting something on my stomachbefore I met with just like
overt fucking racism, like themost insane shit.
And so obviously, after I sawthat video, people online were
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upset, rightfully so, like,because like what about a racial
slur is funny.
And I I'm seeing Huda makeexcuses for herself, obviously,
like fork fountain kitchen.
That's that's what she does,and saying, like, oh, it was
like an awkward situation, itwas awkward laughter, I was just
nervous, I didn't hear what wasgoing on, I didn't hear the
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whole thing, all I heard was theracial slur.
And it's like, first of all, Ican very clearly hear through
the recording what was said.
Okay, it I mean it's it's clearas day.
You have the phone damn nearglued to your fucking ear, like
this.
For the audio listeners youcan't see, but like for the
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visual listeners, the phone isglued to your ear like this, and
you're trying to convince methat you couldn't hear what was
said.
Be so fucking for real.
Be so fucking for real.
Second of all, you said, oh, II couldn't hear what was said,
all I heard was the racial slur.
Let's just for the sake of theargument, let's just say that
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that's true.
All you heard was the racialslur.
What about racial slurs isfunny?
Why are we laughing?
You know what I mean?
Especially coming from thewoman who at the reunion said
that you know she was receivinguh racist comments and remarks
from people as well.
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That's why she couldn't speakup about the racism that Shelly
and Alandria were facing.
Because she was also, you know,receiving racism and she was
just super busy and she justdidn't have the time, blah blah
blah blah.
So if you are also receivingracism and things like that,
which I'm not saying that shedidn't, I I didn't see it, but
just because I didn't see itdoesn't mean that it it's not
there.
So if you are saying that youalso received racism and it was
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negatively affecting you, howcould you possibly turn around
and laugh at any sort of racism?
That just does not make senseto me.
That does not make sense to me.
Any like if you are receivingracism, how can racism in any
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form, whether it's directed atyou or not, be funny?
Because the way that I see itand the way that I process it as
someone who has you knowreceived racism and it has
negatively affected me, I can'tlook at racism towards other
people that I claim to careabout, mind you, that I claim to
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have respect for and was at onepoint friends with, whatever,
and and see that as like, oh, itwas just very awkward, oh, I
was like nervous, oh that's whyI left.
Wouldn't you want toimmediately shut that down?
Because you have been on thereceiving end of racism.
So it's like if you've been onthe receiving end of it and you
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know just how shitty that feelsand how much that affects you,
why would you not want toimmediately shut that down for
somebody else?
Math isn't mathing to me.
I I don't I don't it's notadding up to me.
And then for her initialresponse to you know people
calling out her laughing andstuff like that, her initial
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response wasn't to condemn theracism, it was to respond to the
backlash that she was receivingfor laughing at Alandria being
called a racial slur.
Which tells me so much abouther.
First of all, I knew who Hudawas from episode two when she
became very micro-aggressivetowards Alandria because
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Alandria had asked her, youknow, it was it was the scene
where Sierra, you know, waschoosing who to couple up with,
and like the men were told ifyou want to couple up with
Sierra, you know, stand up orwhatever.
And all of the guys had stoodup for a chance to recouple with
Sierra, apart from Jeremiah,who at the time was coupled up
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with Huda.
And HUDA immediately starts tomake the whole situation about
her, and like, oh, y'all deservesome real men, and oh my god,
Jeremiah, I'm so proud of you.
Like, you know, like oh, y'all,y'all deserve real men.
And Elandria is like, girl, youdon't have to do that.
Like, we're not upset.
It's still really early, likeyou can stop this, like, we'll
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talk about it later.
Huda then starts crying andit's like, oh my god, why would
Elandria do that?
That was so mean.
I would never do that in frontof everyone, mind you.
A couple episodes later, she'sgoing on a rant about Iris and
how Jeremiah said he doesn'treally like Iris and da da da
da.
Whatever.
Um, but she's going on thishuge, like, oh my god, poor me,
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that was so mean.
Why was Elandria so mean to me?
That's when I clocked Huda.
That's when I knew.
I said, Oh bitch, I knowexactly what you are.
Because all of that was notfucking necessary.
All Elandria said was, we'lltalk about it later, we'll have
a chat later.
And Huda d dissolved into apuddle of tears over just being
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asked to like relax, and you canhear Shelly in the background
saying, like, oh, it's just agame.
It was the second fuckingepisode.
They had known each other forall of what 24-48 hours.
Like, you're doing far too muchfor it to be day two of this
whole experience.
But that was when I knew, oh,Huda, I I don't that was when
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like my my bulb came up, youknow what I'm saying?
Like, oh, we gotta keep an eyeout for you, and then from there
on, it had just been a snowballeffect of seeing Huda do more
shit and not be a safe space forShelly or Landria and not have
their backs, like it it justsnowballed into all of this
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behavior, and not just Shellyand Alandria, Chris as well.
I'm still not over the factthat we literally watched her
trying to sexually coerce Chrisinto sex on national television,
like we sped by that, like thatwas not addressed enough for
me.
I I'm still there, and alsolike the way that she was with
Jeremiah, like just very, verytoxic individual.
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And I like had Love Island donetheir jobs and in well, first
of all, had they done their jobsand realized before the show,
hey, like maybe she's not thebest fit for national
television, that would have beengreat.
But then even after her crashout with Jeremiah, she should
have gone home after thatbecause it was just far too
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much.
Unfortunately, she didn't, andyou know, she was honestly she
was rewarded for this behavior.
She was allowed to stay on theshow, she's been given this huge
platform, and now we're seeingthe snowball effect of her
continue to just display all ofthis negative bad behavior.
And I think because there isthis history of her, you know,
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being rewarded or not being heldaccountable for this negative
behavior.
I think that that's why sheinitially responded the way that
she did.
Because she was likeessentially thought to herself,
like, oh, this will blow over,like no one will really care.
Like that, I mean that's whatit's been in the past, right?
Like, she's been doing all ofthese negative, terrible things,
and there's really been noaccountability.
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So I think that, you know,that's the mindset that she was
going into this with is justlike no one's gonna really hold
me accountable.
I I'll it'll blow over.
Because that's what's happenedin the past.
To her surprise, Alandria, whois just a fucking queen, I love
her so much.
But she responded and obviouslycalled out the racism, called
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out the response, the initialresponse from Huda and Louis to
the racism.
And she essentially said, youknow, save your fake apologies,
let's put your money where yourmouth is, let's donate to these
organizations that help, youknow, fight racial disparity and
discrimination and differentthings like that.
That was the best thing and thebest way that the landria could
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have handled the situationbecause it forced
accountability.
And I think that that wasnecessary and important because,
again, she's never really beenheld accountable for her
behavior.
She's she still has a platform,she's had these brand deals,
and you know, people are youknow making excuses for her,
she's making excuses forherself, and it's always worked
until this situation, untilAlandria was like, listen, this
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is not an appropriate responseto racism, like it should always
be immediately called out.
And not only should you, youknow, post your surface level
apology, let's actuallyreparations, bitch.
Like, let's do something tohelp fight racial disparity and
racism and racial inequalities.
And I loved seeing that.
I loved seeing Huda be heldaccountable because, again, it
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is necessary.
And of course, there were HUDAfans who were like, oh my god,
y'all are just hating.
Da-da-da-da-da.
I need y'all to understand thatholding somebody accountable
for racism is not hating.
We should be holding peopleaccountable for racism.
Like, and it it blows my mindthat that that has to be said,
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that some of y'all don'tunderstand the difference
between hating and holdingsomebody accountable for their
behavior.
But it's like, I I really needy'all to be so fucking for real.
Someone can't be a part of theproblem, and when they're held
accountable for being a part ofthe problem, it's called hating
on that person.
How the fuck are we supposed tocombat racism if every time
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people try to call racism out,y'all just view it as hating or
trying to hate on somebody?
Like, let's let's be so fuckingfor real.
And all forms of racism need tobe called out.
Just because someone isn'tspewing the N-word or saying
from the top of their lungs,like, I hate black people or
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whatever, does not mean thatthey are not being racist.
There is a such thing asmicroaggressions, and
microaggressions also helpeduphold racism.
And that's why I say it's notenough to say you're not racist,
you have to be anti-racistbecause racism, especially in
America, is so embedded intoevery part of our society that
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if you are not actively tryingto combat and fight racism, you
will be racist.
Whether you mean to be racistor you like don't even realize
you're being racist, it canstill happen because it is so
embedded into every part of oursociety.
And so that's why I was sohappy to see Huda being held
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accountable because people whoare racist or condone racism or
don't immediately call outracism, like all of that has to
be held accountable.
But for some reason, itswitched from Huda being held
accountable for not immediatelycondemning the racism to now
people making this a Shellyversus Alandria thing.
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Ayo?
Like what is going on?
And I have to I have to holdmyself accountable here too
because I made a video and Ihave to I have to remember that
the way my brain works doesn'tcompute always how I mean it to.
And and I need to hold myselfaccountable for that because I
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made a video and I had said thatevery islander or brand who is
not calling out this racism thatAlandria is facing, like I'm
side-eyeing them.
And then I went on to say,y'all are so quick to party with
her or to use her for views forclout to use her for your
brands or whatever.
But when it comes to actuallystanding up for her and showing
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that you really, you know, dostand for her, like it nobody's
saying anything.
Because like it had been almosta full day of you know, this
video circulating, peopletalking about it, and I know
people had seen it, and very fewpeople had said something.
Aqua Day Capir, the freakywater people, they had said
something.
Nick had said something, andthat was the only two that I
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saw, and it really rubbed me thewrong way because I'm like,
y'all were just partying withher, y'all are using her, you
know, as like for your brands,for clicks, reviews, for
whatever.
But when she needs it, likewhen she needs someone to stand
with her, like nobody is there,like I'm side-eyeing you.
And so the way that it computedin my brain was like, yes, I
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said every islander, but then Iwent on to explain, you know,
like y'all have been partyingwith her.
So the way that it it the waythat I meant it and the way that
it computed in my brain wasthat I was saying every islander
who had just been recentlypartying with her, not just
every islander in general.
However, in the comments ofthat video, people were starting
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to call out Shelly.
Like, oh my god, yeah, why wasShelly posting her Halloween
costume and and Shelly hasn'tspoken out for Alandria and
da-da-da-da.
And I'm like, whoa.
When the fuck did I sayanything about Shelly?
And I I was responding tocomments to be like, mind you, I
said in this video, people whohave been recently partying with
her, was Shelly recentlypartying with Alandria?
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Because I missed it.
And trust, like, unfortunately,I I'm chronically online.
If if they were together,because I missed my girls
together, not gonna yay.
Anyway, it was so confusing tome how people saw that video and
immediately jumped to Shelly.
And again, I'll take someaccountability for that because
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I did say every islander.
I feel like I went on to thensay, like, how are you partying
with her, but not standing withher and backing her in the face
of racism.
And so in my brain, everyislander that has been partying
with her is how I how I meantit.
I could have worded it better.
And so I'll take accountabilityfor that.
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However, at the same time, I dofeel like there are people in
every fan base, whether you area Huda fan, a Shelly fan, an
Alandria fan, a Nickelandriafan, a Shelley's fan, like there
are people in every fan basewho just like it seems like
y'all sit and wait for a reasonto bash Shelly or Alandria.
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And it is like really, reallyfucking weird and really
parasocial.
And it's it's honestly sowhacked me how it went from
holding Huda accountable to nowit being Shelly versus Alandria.
Because at the end of the day,neither Shelly nor Alandria, at
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least from from what I've beenable to see, if you can send me
a clip, an article, anything todispute this, then I will stand
corrected.
But at the moment, I have notseen Shelly say one negative
thing about Alandria or Alandriasay one negative thing about
Shelly.
What I have seen though, arepeople on both sides.
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People who are fans of Alandriaand people who are fans of
Shelly attempt to hold Shellyand Alandria accountable for
things that other people havesaid.
For example, the Ace interviewwith Speedy.
Y'all can go back and look atthe video that I posted after
that video or after thatinterview was published.
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Because I said in that, in thatvideo, if I look at it through
only Ace's lens, right?
I can see how you sayingsomething to me in private, but
then saying something differentin public, it looks like you're
not being real, it looks likeyou're being fake, it looks like
you're not standing upbusiness, it looks like you're
switching up.
I can see that.
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I can see where Ace is comingfrom.
At the same time, it is notfair to look at the situation
only through that lens, right?
Nick, anything that Nick sayspublicly is going to fall back
on Alandria.
So when he's asked, Oh, do youthink all final four couples in
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the finale deserve to be there?
He, if he maybe he doesn't feelthat way.
Can he fully say that publicly?
No.
Because at the end of the day,people are going to use that as
an excuse to hate on Alandria.
So when I look at it that way,and when I look at all of the
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moving parts and these fan basesand you know how everyone is
operating and acting, I canunderstand why Nick does not
publicly say, maybe fully whathe feels, because at the end of
the day, people are going to usethat as an excuse to hate on
Alandria.
So do I think that Ace shouldhave said what he said in that
interview publicly?
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No.
Do I think Ace is wrong for hisfeelings?
Also, no.
Because again, if I look at itjust from Ace's lens, it does
look like a switch up.
It does look like you're notstanding on business.
However, it's it's veryimmature, I think, to look at it
just through one lens, right?
You have to consider all of themoving parts.
And I don't think that Acereally did that before he went
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on that interview.
I can say that, and also at thesame time understand that, you
know, his feelings were probablyhurt.
And he acted out of emotion.
And like, that's not okay.
I'm not saying it is okay.
I'm just saying that Iunderstand it.
However, after that interview,I also said in my video that the
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same way that people will holdAlandria accountable for what
Nick says, people will do thesame thing with Shelly.
They're gonna hold Shellyaccountable for what Ace said.
And I said after thatinterview, even though I can
understand where Ace is comingfrom and I understand from his
point of view how it looks, Idon't think that he should have
said any of that publicly.
Because not only is it going tohave people hating on Alandria,
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it's also gonna have peoplehating on Shelly.
And just like I fucking knewpeople have been at Shelly since
that interview.
Oh, why would Ace say that?
Mind you, listen to what you'resaying.
You're mad at Shelly and tryingto hold Shelly accountable for
something that Ace said.
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I don't think that's fair.
Number one, that's rooted inmisogyny.
That is absolutely rooted inmisogyny to attempt to hold a
woman accountable for a grownman, a grown man's actions,
1000% rooted in misogyny.
I need y'all to realize thatand I need y'all to unpack that.
And I feel like that'shappening on both sides, and
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it's really fucking problematic.
Like, people are holding Shellyand Alandria accountable for
things that other people havedone, and neither one of those
things is okay.
Because again, and if again, ifyou want to send me a clip, an
article, whatever, to prove mewrong, please, please do that.
But I have not seen Shelly sayone negative thing about
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Alandria or Alandria say onenegative thing about Shelly, so
I don't understand why it's soAlandria versus Shelly when you
can support both of them.
You know what I mean?
Like you can you can like bothof them, it doesn't have to be
so polarized to the point whereAlandria was the victim of
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racism, and it's somehow beingturned to Alandria versus Shelly
rather than calling out theracism.
Like I'm I'm just veryconfused, and it's it's very
much giving fever dream to me.
Like, how how did we get here?
How did we get to it now beingpeople who are fans of Alandria
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fighting people who are fans ofShelly rather than everyone
coming together to fight theracism?
Like, I'm so I'm so confused.
I genuinely don't know how wegot here.
But it's like it's very spooky,it's very spooky because the
plot is just being so lost, andI I just don't understand it.
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I don't understand how it gotto this part, and I want to take
accountability also becauseagain, I don't feel like I
worded my video fully correctly,and I'll take ownership of
that.
I should have been more carefulbecause I genuinely like again
that video had nothing to dowith Shelly, but I genuinely had
no doubt that Shelly was gonnaspeak up for Alandria.
Shelly has spoken up forAlandria and Alandria has spoken
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up for Shelly.
They've both spoken up for eachother ever since leaving the
villa.
So I never it never evencrossed my mind that people
would take my video as a way tomake it about Shelly because
that like genuinely she was noteven on my mind when I made that
video.
Like I she never crossed mymind because again, I never had
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any doubt that Shelly wouldwould be in Elandria's corner.
I like never had any fuckingdoubt.
But the fact that it is nowbecoming like Shelly's fans now
fighting with Alandria's fans,like oh my god, we will never be
free.
Like, how how did it how did itcome to this?
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I don't understand it.
But I just wanted to say, like,you can support Shelly and
Alandria at the same time.
Because, and again, to myknowledge, neither one of them
has ever said anything negativeabout the other person.
Both of them are being heldaccountable for things that
other people have said, notanything that they have said,
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and that is very parasocial tome and very problematic, and it
just goes to further pit twoblack women against each other,
and I fucking hate that.
I hate that so much becauseneither one of them have done
anything to deserve this hateand this vitriol and this just
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like disgusting behavior thatthey're both they're both
receiving.
I it's not just Shelly fansgoing after Alandria, it's not
just Alandria fans going afterShelly, both both parties are
doing it, and both are wrong.
And I again don't understandhow it got from holding Huda
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accountable for the racism tonow Shelly and Alandria being
pitted against each other.
But I think we all likeeveryone needs to take a step
back and realize like this isnot this is not it.
It was supposed to be callingout racism, and somehow it got
to Shelly versus Alandria, andit's so sickening to me.
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It makes me so sad, it makes meso disgusted because the plot
is just so violently,dangerously lost, like crazy
fucking shit.
So I just want to say veryloudly and very clearly over
here, it is always protect blackwomen, protect Alandria,
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protect Shelly.
There's no reason that this itshould be Alandria versus Shelly
at all.
You there's no fucking reasonbecause neither one of them has
done anything to deserve that.
Like that is so fucking sick tome, and it is it's crazy to me
how quickly the plot can be lostand how the the point or the
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goal can be so just likemisconstrued.
But I just want to make sure itis it is very publicly known,
it has always been and alwayswill be protect black women.
None of my pages are ever asafe space for anyone to bash
Shelly, to bash Alandria.
No, I it is protects blackwomen, both black women, all
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black women.
Forever, always.
I am both Team Alandria andTeam Shelly at the same time,
and I need more people tounderstand that that is
something that can happen, andthat is something that should
should be happening.
There should it should neverhave ever gotten to Shelly
versus Alandria because again,neither one of them have done
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anything to deserve that.
No, not.
Neither one of them have doneanything to each other.
And it's it's just really crazyto me how it even got here.
But I just wanted to make itabundantly clear.
It has always been and alwayswill be protect black women.
So I need y'all to r rememberthe plot and remember the goal,
which is to fight racism and toprotect black women.
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So I I really, really hope thishelps.
Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode.
I hope everyone's having a goodweek except for that orange
drink lady.
And I will talk to you in thenext episode.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
The napkin in between, hostedby Daijne Jones, produced by
Daijne Jones, post productionby Daijne Jones, music by Sam
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Champagne, and graphics by IsmaVidal.
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