October 12, 2025 • 32 mins
A new hair era, a new lens on pop—a candid analysis of Taylor Swift’s latest album discourse, the limits of “hits,” and why popularity isn’t proof of quality.
In today's episode, I read Swiftie comments and respond point by point: the “biggest tour” flex without sources, the myth of the self-made star when family capital paved lanes, and the way fans conflate streams with standards. We talk about infantilization after a very public 2009 moment, how white feminism gets weaponized to shut down critique, and why calling out privilege isn’t “tearing women down.” If folklore and evermore show maturity, why return to teen gloss? Incentives matter—and so does who gets grace to plateau.
This conversation isn’t about disliking catchy music; it’s about context. Black women rarely get the cultural cushion to be merely OK and still ascend. If you’ve ever wondered why some careers float no matter the output, this is your map through fandom, metrics, and power. Tap play, then tell me: what truly makes a “hit,” and who deserves the pedestal?
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Daijné (00:00):
Is this thing on?
Hello, hello.
Uh-oh.
Another yuffer with a mic.
Hello everyone.
Welcome back to the Napkin inbetween podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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orange drink lady.
Of course.
Oh nothing.
Why did my voice crack socrazy?
That was so embarrassing.
Let's take take two.
Oh nothing.
Just uh ginger nay back in thebuilding, bitch.
Oh my god.
I'm ginger and I have braids.
Like we have a little specialtwo for one right now.
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Because, first of all, I lovebeing ginger.
I love, I feel like this isjust the hair color that like
fits me very well.
Like it's tea.
But also, I have been talkingfor like a month or so now about
how I couldn't wait until myhair was long enough for me to
finally get braids.
Ah! It is long enough and wehave braids, and I'm just so
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excited.
Oh, I'm so excited becauseagain, I have been wanting
braids for a very long time.
But I feel like every time I dosomething different with my
hair, I find out a littlesomething that I didn't know
about being bold.
Because nobody warned me.
My like I'm very happy with mybraids.
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I I love them, but they're sofucking itchy.
Like my scalp has been so itchysince I got them, and I just
feel like it's probably becauselike the only thing that makes
sense, I was talking to Taliaabout it.
Like maybe just my scalp is nolonger used to braiding hair.
I don't I don't know.
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It's been like five monthssince the last time I had
braids, so I'm like, did itreally change that much in five
months?
But I just like I think I justgot so used to being bald.
I guess five months is a lot oftime.
I don't know.
I have no perception of time,so it doesn't really feel like
that much, but like once Ireally think about it, maybe
that is a lot of time.
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But I feel like I just got soused to being bald that like I'm
just not used to having hairnow.
Like when I started wearing awig, I was overstimulated as
fuck.
Like I could feel the wig onthe back of my neck and like my
scalp, like it was just a lot,and now I feel like I'm
experiencing the same thing withthese braids, and I'm just like
fuck.
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Like, I'm trying to get used toit.
I'm I'm keeping the braids infor at least a week because I'm
going on a cruise next week.
So they'll be in for at leasttwo weeks.
But I swear I have been like,damn, I kind of want to take
this out because just like Ihate, I hate itchy.
I hate being itchy, I hate myscalp feeling like this, and
I've tried so many differentthings, like I've sprayed my
scalp with water, probablyoverdoing it.
(02:48):
Like these braids are gonnafall out any minute because I'm
just constantly spraying myscalp with water.
I've tried oil, I've triedleave-in conditioner, like I've
tried so many things, and I feellike nothing is really soothing
my scalp the way that I want itto.
It feels pretty good right now.
I got um, I just went to Ultaand got the uh Sacred Protective
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line, and so there's this oneum scalp balm, and I put that on
last night and also sprayed myhair with the scalp refreshing
spray, also from the sacredline.
That seems to be helping themost right now.
I still feel a little itch, butit's not as bad as it was
before I tried that.
But something's gotta givebecause I can't, I don't care.
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I will rip these braids thefuck out.
I hate, I hate itchy, I hatelike my scalp feeling this right
now.
But anyway, the peak of my weekwas getting my hair braided
because honestly, I was a littlebit nervous to get these braids
because I had sent a photo ofmy hair to a braiding shop that
I had found on 125th, and Iasked her, like, do you think
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you can grip my hair?
And she was like, Yeah, I cangrip it.
And I was like, Okay, so shecan grip it, which is great, but
like, is it gonna hurt?
You know what I mean?
Like, is she gonna be grippingmy scalp and my thoughts and you
know, like my brain meat?
Like, what's gonna happen?
And honestly, the braids aresecure, but they're not tight,
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which is good.
Which that was what I wasworried about, is that they were
gonna have to be overly tightfor her to grip my hair.
But once she blew my hair outand then like started adding gel
or whatever, it was actually alot longer than I thought it
was.
I have like shrinkage is crazy,which I love my shrinkage
because it's a sign that yourhair is healthy.
So once I learned that, I waslike, okay, period.
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I I love shrinkage now.
We've we've changed ourperspective.
Um, but it's always sosurprising to me.
Like my shrinkage, it my hairshrinks a lot, and so um, I
didn't realize how long itactually had gotten, but yeah,
I'm just really excited, and Ifeel like I can do more styles
now, which I've loved beingbald, and it's been amazing, and
I've learned so much aboutmyself, and just like my
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confidence, it was a crazyconfidence boost.
But I'm excited to be able todo styles again and get braids
and other things like that.
So that's definitely been thepeak of my week because I get
bored with my hair.
Like I love being bald, it wasobviously to just get up and go,
and again, huge boost to myconfidence.
But I like to switch up myhair, I like to do different
things and try different stylesand stuff like that.
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So that's definitely the peakof my week, it's just being able
to finally like get into that.
I guess I could have been doingthis all along, like I could
have been wearing wigs orwhatever, but I wanted to be
bald, and also it was summer, sonobody wants to wear a wig in
the summer, it's like a fuckinghelmet.
But anyway, that has been thepeak of my week is being able to
change up my hair, get mybraids, which I love, even
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though they're a little itchy.
If anybody has anyrecommendations, please, please
tell me because the scalp is soitchy.
I I will say again, it has beenbetter since I used the sacred
projection line.
But um, if anybody has anyother recommendations, please
leave them in the comments.
I would really appreciate that.
That has been the peak of myweek.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek.
Something that made you smile,kept you grounded, kept you sane
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in the chaos of the world.
Segwing into what we're gonnatalk about today.
As we all know, Taylor Swiftrecently released an album
called The Life of a Showgirl.
And the album has gotten somereviews that honestly were a
little surprising to me.
I've been seeing Swifties orpeople who have claimed that
they've been Swifties for yearsbe like, actually, what is this?
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Like, this is her worst album,the the lyrics are weird, like
just like people are not feelingthis album.
And it's feeling like peopleare finally starting to
understand, and when I saypeople, I mean mainly Swifties
or Taylor Swift fans, arestarting to realize what we have
been saying all along thatTaylor Swift is quite mediocre
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and there's not really been muchgrowth in her career, and that
I mean she's just been praisedfor the majority of her career
for being a mediocre whitewoman.
So I made a video, not aboutthe album, because admittedly I
did not listen to it.
I've heard snippets here andthere, and I've heard all I need
to hear, but I made a videoabout why I feel like Taylor
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Swift has risen to the fame andpopularity that she has.
And I'm gonna put the video inhere that I posted on TikTok and
Instagram or whatever for youguys to see.
Taylor Swift has the fame andpopularity that she has today,
mainly for two reasons.
Number one, she's a mediocrewhite woman, and she reminds
other mediocre white women inJ-Lo that not only is mediocre
okay, but it can get you veryfar.
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And I know what you're gonnasay, oh my god, but she's an
amazing songwriter singer, butI'm gonna hold your hand with an
acronym too when I say this.
She's been writing about thesame thing for 20 years.
If I were writing about thesame thing for 20 years, I
should be pretty good at it too.
I don't And not only has shebeen writing the same album
different font for 20 years, butnothing about her has improved.
Her dancing is still the sameas it was 20 years ago.
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Again, she's writing about thesame thing.
She literally has not improvedin any way in her career.
And why is that?
Because she's a meteor girlwhite woman and y'all will
praise her for being a meteorgirl woman.
She knows she doesn't have todo anything more.
Whatever she does, whatever sheputs out, y'all are going to
buy it.
Number two, and I know y'allare not ready for this one, but
ready or not, you're like, Y'allstill see her as a little girl
who was bullied by the big scaryblack man on the VMA stage in
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2009.
Now, a friendly reminder: multiple things can be true at (08:11):
undefined
once.
Kanye was dead the fuck wrongfor doing that in that moment,
and at the very same time, y'allhave been infantilizing and
cuddling this woman since ithappened.
That's also why y'all feel theneed to constantly compare
Taylor Swift to Beyonce, becausein that moment, Kanye was
praising Beyonce over TaylorSwift.
And so since that moment, y'allhave felt the need to protect
Taylor Swift and defend hervirtue and prove why she
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deserved that award and otherpraises over Beyonce and have
never let Beyonce know a day ofpeace, even though number one,
Beyonce was mortified in thatmoment and did not want Kanye to
do that.
And number two, when Beyoncewas on the stage, she brought
Taylor back on the stage to giveher her moment.
Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.
And if you disagree with me, Icould not give a fuck less.
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
And so after I posted thatvideo, I decided to do something
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a little bit scary.
I went through the commentsbecause I knew that there were
going to be Swifties in thecomments defending Taylor Swift,
and I wanted to see what theirarguments were to see if any of
them were being reasonable oreven hearing what I had to say
or what their counter-argumentwas to my arguments.
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And so I screenshot a couple ofthem and I wanted to read them
and respond to them because Ihonestly I'm always open to
discussion as long as you knowit's a healthy discussion and
you want to argue in good faith,or we're not arguing about
something idiotic like people'shuman rights.
Um, and so I went through thecomments and I just wanted to
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see what people were saying.
And so I'm gonna read some ofthe responses that I got from
Swifties and respond to them.
So the first comment reads,Y'all say this with so much
confidence, having only heardlike five of her 250 songs.
She's popular because sheworked for it, she wrote her
songs, people liked them, hencewhy she just wrapped up the
biggest tour of all time.
If she was mediocre, then shewouldn't have collected such a
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large fan base.
So, first and foremost, what ifI said that if you've heard
five of her songs and you'veheard all 250?
Then what?
You know what I mean?
Second of all, to say that, oh,she must not be mediocre
because she has such a largefollowing is such a baseless
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argument.
Because someone having a largefollowing does not mean that
they're good.
Like, I feel like that's commonsense, no?
For example, look at who ispresident of the United States
right now.
You know what I mean?
So it's like to use that as anargument, like, oh well, clearly
she's not mediocre because lookhow many people follow her, da
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da da.
That doesn't mean that she'snot mediocre.
And this is my issue with a lotof of Swifties, and like again,
if if you want to have an opendiscussion about this, I'm I'm
open to that.
But I feel like their argumentsare not based in like real
life, you know what I mean?
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Like, for like even this personsaid, Oh, she just wrapped up
the biggest tour of all time.
I don't know that that's real.
Is that true?
What's the source?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, was it a big tour?
Probably.
It was probably a major tour,but biggest tour of all time,
like y'all just be talking outof your fucking asses.
Like, give me what's thesource?
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Let me see the source.
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong.
What's the source for that?
And then they say things like,oh, but she worked really hard
for it, which I'm not at alldoubting.
I'm sure she's she's worked,she's worked, but let's also
not, we can't deny the fact thather father is extremely she
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comes from an extremely wealthyfamily.
Okay, like her father paid forsome of her career as well.
We cannot, we can't deny that.
That's like people are like,oh, well, she's a self-made
billionaire, da-da-da-da-da.
She comes from wealth.
Saying that Taylor Swift is aself-made billionaire is the
same as saying that Kylie Jenneris a self-made billionaire.
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Neither one of them areself-made billionaires, they
came from wealth.
Like, let's be so fucking forreal.
The next comment says, This isobjectively not true.
The reign she has on her albumsis extremely clear.
Clear to who?
Okay.
But hey, she clearly doesn'tneed the support of a mediocre
colored girl since she's beenthe most popular artist alive
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for the past 10 plus years andstill going.
This is what most of mycomments look like when I went
through the comments.
It's just people resorting toracism.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, if you feel likeyou have to resort to racism to
defend your fave, that tells methat you know that what I'm
saying has some ground to it,but you don't want to admit
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that, you don't want toacknowledge it.
So instead of acknowledging it,you just would rather resort to
racism.
And that tells me everythingthat I need to know about you.
Like, let's be serious, let'sbe for real.
Also, again, like I feel likey'all just say things that are
not real.
The most popular artist alivefor the past 10 plus years,
what's the source?
What's the source?
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I don't think that you can sayanyone are any one artist is the
most popular artist becausepopularity is based off of many
different things when it comesto things like music, because
music is subjective, right?
People can like it, peoplecannot like it, whatever,
whatever.
So to say that she's been themost popular artist alive,
again, I need you to be soincredibly for real.
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Someone said you can keep thathand holding and the napkin.
I'm good with listening to thishorrible end quotes album and
living my life not being thismiserable.
Another thing that was in mostof the comments that I found is
people being like, Oh, you'rejust miserable, you're just
jealous, you're justda-da-da-da.
And it's like, again, you guyssay these things when you
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realize that points are beingmade, but you refuse to
acknowledge them because youwould rather defend your
mediocre fave than realize, hey,maybe there's some truth, maybe
there's some realness in what'sbeing said.
Another comment reads, Iunderstand the backlash from her
latest albums, but I disagreewith the observation that she's
writing about the same thingover and over.
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She wears high heels, I weart-shirts, she's sheer captain,
and I'm on the bleachers, andyou belong with me.
I'm not a bad bitch, and thisisn't savage, but I'm never
gonna let you down, and I'mnever gonna leave you now.
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Is that not the same thingbeing said just a different way?
Is that not are those not thesame lyrics, but just said a
different way?
Y'all will not gaslight me.
Yes, this woman has beenwriting the same thing over and
over.
She might branch out here andthere, possibly.
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But when you look at herdiscography as a whole, she has
been writing about her exes andmen and being with someone like
for the majority of herdiscography.
You will not gaslight me.
You will not gaslight me.
She is writing about the samething over and over.
You're gonna tell me that thatis not the exact same line.
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You're gonna tell me thatthat's not the exact same thing,
just said a different way.
Be for real.
Be for real! And she's actuallyreleased really good projects
like 1989, Evermore, folklore,and Red produced too many hits
to call her mediocre.
That's not that's likeobjectively not a real thing.
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Like, y'all think that quantityequals quality, and it doesn't.
Those two things are not thesame thing.
When you say hits, what doesthat mean?
Like, when you consider a songa hit, do you consider it a hit
because it has so many streams?
Do you consider it a hitbecause it was revolutionary and
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changed the game or somethinglike that?
Like, what what do you mean byhit?
Because I feel like a lot ofthe time when speaking to
Swifties about Taylor producinghits, they're like, oh, but look
how many streams she got andda-da-da-da.
And it's like, I know y'all, Iknow what y'all do.
Y'all will literally put analbum on to play and turn the
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volume down and have the albumplaying while you're asleep.
I know y'all do that.
I know y'all do that to boostthe number of streams.
So is it really a hit, or arey'all just like boosting it
because it's your fave?
Like, let's be real, when yousay it's a hit, what does that
mean?
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Because if you're if you'retalking about number of streams,
again, you're confusing qualitywith quantity, and that's I
fear that's what a lot of yourguys' arguments is based in, and
I don't think that that's afair argument.
She is 100% a privileged whitewoman, but I don't think it's
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fair not to give credit whereit's due.
I disagree with your videobecause 70% of your talking
points are the same recycledrage-bate talking points.
I don't think it is a fairassessment.
Latest albums still suckthough, and I would agree that
she is out of touch right nowwith people and her fan base.
So are my talking pointsrecycled or are the people just
saying the same things becausewe're making the same
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observations?
Also, like I need y'all tolearn the meaning of words
because just because youdisagree with something or just
because it made you upset doesnot mean that it was meant for
rage bait.
Right?
Like, did you go into watchingmy video with an open mind, or
did you go into it with this ishow I feel, she has hits, da da
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da.
Like, do you see what I'msaying?
Like, just because you disagreewith what's being said doesn't
mean that it was postedspecifically to anger you or as
rage bait.
Like, I need y'all tounderstand that words mean
things, and y'all learn thesebuzzwords and you just throw
them around willy-nilly, andit's like, no, that's really not
what that means.
Like, just because you disagreewith something doesn't mean
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that it was it was rage bait.
Like, let's be serious, and tothe point of saying she's 100% a
privileged white woman, but Idon't think it's fair not to
give her credit where it's due.
I feel like two things canexist at the same time.
I understand that there aresome Taylor Swift songs that I'm
like, okay, like this iscatchy.
I get I get the hype for thisone song, but it's like when you
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look at her discography and youlook at it as a whole, does she
really deserve the hype thatshe has when you look at the
discography and where she was 20years ago to where she is now?
Do I think that she really isdeserving of the hype and the
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fame and the popularity that shehas?
No, because again, not much haschanged with her from the
beginning of her career to now.
She still dances the same.
You will not gaslight me.
She writes about the samethings over and over.
And it's like, yeah, maybe shehas some hits here and there, or
maybe she has some good songshere and there, but good hits
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here and there does not equateto the level of popularity that
she has now.
She has the level of popularitythat she has because she is a
privileged white woman.
I like let's be so fucking forreal.
She does not have to doanything different, or she
doesn't have to improve in hercareer because at the end of the
day, y'all are gonna prop herup, y'all are going to buy her
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album, y'all are going to listento it, no matter what she puts
out.
And like, that's just real.
Like, let's just be fucking forreal.
The thing is though, that y'alldon't want to, like, y'all will
say, Yes, she's privileged, butI need y'all to realize and
understand and learn that whenyou say but in a sentence, it
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negates everything that you'vesaid before the butt.
So y'all like to to disregardher privilege and be like, oh,
but she's she's worked reallyhard.
Has she worked really hard orhas she been mediocre?
But since she's a white woman,mediocre is okay.
Questions that need answers.
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Another comment reads, I wonderwhy people always bring up
things they dislike when it'sTaylor Swift.
Again, y'all are not real.
Y'all are not being realbecause every artist, regardless
of if they deserve the critiqueor not, every artist gets
critiqued.
Every single artist.
People talk about things thatthey don't like with every
artist.
You just don't want toacknowledge that points are
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being made.
So you're like, oh, you guysonly do this when it's Taylor
Swift.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Another comment says, peace andlove at the end, but the entire
video is tearing another womandown, hypocrite.
So, first and foremost, let melet me talk about the peace and
love that I say at the end of myvideos.
Cause I think that y'all haveit a little confused.
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Whenever I say peace and loveat the end of the video, it is
never directed at the personthat I'm speaking about in the
video.
Okay?
I talk a lot of shit.
Okay, I know this.
I've I love to talk, I love totalk shit.
I just God forbid a bitch likesto talk shit.
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You know what I mean?
But I'm trying to make it pastthem pearly gates.
You feel me?
So I feel like in my brain, ifI talk shit in a video, but I
say peace and love at the end,it kind of cancels out like
Pandas.
And honestly, am I talking shitor am I just making valid
points and y'all just don't likewhat's being said?
Let's talk about it.
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You know what I mean?
But in case I am talking shit,in case I am doing something
wrong, I feel like if I saypeace and love at the end, it
cancels it out, and I still havemy reserves heath beyond the
pearly gates.
So I don't want y'all to everthink, especially when I'm in a
video like reading a racist or ahomophobic person or a
xenophobic or a transphobicperson, like I'm not saying
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peace and love for them.
Fuck them.
You feel me?
I'm saying peace and love forme because I want to make sure
that I get past them pearlygates.
That has always been for me andme only.
That's like a, you know what Imean?
Like, that's for me.
That's for my salvation, notfor them.
Let's get that clear.
Second of all, saying that I'mtearing another woman down is
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actually so fucking comical.
This is the white feminism thatwe be talking about that
Swifties and Taylor Swift usesbecause y'all only try to use
feminism when it benefits y'all.
Calling out white privilege andacknowledging white privilege
and how it's played a role inthe boosting of somebody's
career is not tearing thatperson down.
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Right?
Like, y'all will be like, oh,we need to call out the
negatives in the world, we needto call out bigotry, we need to
call da da da da da.
But when it's your fave beingcalled out for the bigotry and
the white supremacy and thewhite tactics that benefit them,
now all of a sudden, oh, you'renot a girl's girl, you're not a
feminist, you're tearing otherwomen down, da da da da.
Shut the fuck up.
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Shut up.
Like y'all, that's so lazy andlame.
And it's again another excusefor y'all to avoid the fact that
points are being made becausethe points are being made
against your faith.
And also, like, y'all betalking about some, oh, you're
tearing down women.
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Why are you bashing women?
You're not a girl's girl.
Why are we bashing women?
Didn't old girls shade twowomen in the album?
You see what I'm saying?
Like, this is the whitefeminism we be talking about.
Y'all be like, oh, whathappened to a girl supporting
girls?
Why are you bashing anotherwoman?
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Why are you tearing anotherwoman down?
As you're defending a woman whoallegedly dissed two women in
the album.
The selective outrage is crazy.
I'm just letting y'all know theselective outrage is very loud
and it's very crazy.
You can't pick and choose whenyou wanna be a feminist.
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Y'all need to be so fucking forreal.
Calling out white privilege andacknowledging white privilege
is not tearing a woman down,it's tearing down white
supremacy.
Which is that not what we'resupposed to be doing?
Exactly.
So shut the fuck up.
Another comment says, and thething is that we Swifties have
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seen she can create somethingnew and mature like she did with
folklore and evermore, but shekeeps going back to making teen
type music at her big age.
So shouldn't that tell you?
Wait, wait, it's like you gotyou guys are this close to the
point, but it's like you'restill missing it.
If she can show you that shecan write mature music, but she
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keeps going back to the teenagebeep bops, would that not be an
indication on how she feelsabout y'all as fans?
Like, is she not kind ofplaying in y'all's face?
If she can show y'all, like,hey, like, I can write something
really mature and good.
But I'm just not gonna do thatbecause at the end of the day,
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y'all are gonna buy whatever Iput out anyway.
So here, it's it's giving heredamn.
It's giving a little bit ofhear damn and also a little bit
of like grift, you know?
Like, no matter what I put out,they're gonna buy it anyway.
So why would I work hard?
Why would I, you know, show theshow them my mature side?
Why would I put more into mycraft when no matter what I put
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out, they're still gonna listento it, they're still gonna buy
it.
You see what I'm saying?
It's like y'all are so close,y'all are so close.
Just lock the fuck in and wakeup.
Cause I feel like I don't knowthat.
I feel like that's such anindication to me that like she
knows what she's doing.
Yeah.
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Anyway, the next comment says,Imagine if Taylor was a black
woman writing about, and I quotethe same thing her whole
career.
Would you have been sayingthis?
I hate the oh, but if roleswere reversed, shut the fuck up.
Roles have been reversed forfucking ever.
And also, in this specificsituation, the roles could never
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be reversed because a blackwoman does not have the luxury
of being mediocre.
A black woman would never getto the level of fame and
popularity that Taylor Swift hasby being mediocre.
Black women always have to beextraordinary in order to reach
that level of fame.
Let's be so fucking for real.
I hate how y'all always want todo the oh, but if roles were
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reversed, imagine it.
First of all, we don't have toimagine.
Because roles have beenreversed for for forever.
Okay?
That's number one.
Number two, black women don'tget to be mediocre.
They don't.
We have to work twice as hardto get half as much.
So please shut the fuck up.
Y'all just want to derail theconversation because again, you
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cannot grapple with the factthat points are being made.
So instead of acknowledgingthat, it's easier for you to
make yourself and your faves thevictim so that you can play
this victim role and not have toacknowledge that points are
being made.
It's lazy and it's loserfucking behavior.
Next thing, why are you blamingTaylor for what her fans are
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doing?
It's not her fault that they'reinfantilizing her in whatever
you're talking about.
And I am a black 24-year-oldwoman saying this.
I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
Black people don't say, as ablack person, I don't believe
you.
But to your point of, oh, whyare you blaming Taylor?
It's her fans infantilizingher, wrong.
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Taylor's fans infantilize herbecause she also infantilizes
herself.
She's still singing about beingin fucking high school.
Okay, like she's still singingabout being this poor little
victim and and oh, people arebeing so mean to her.
Like, why do you think her fanshave the ability to infantilize
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her?
Because she's she'sinfantilizing herself.
Like, I know that y'all cannotbe this it I'm stuttering.
Let me let me lock the fuck in.
What I'm saying is not thisdifficult to understand and
comprehend.
Which tells me that y'all,again, are doing anything that
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you can do to avoidacknowledging that there is
truth behind what is being said.
Y'all want to avoid thisconversation like JLo avoids
using her real vocals and hersongs.
Y'all avoid this conversationlike Trump avoided the draft.
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And that's why again, I have noproblem with hearing people
out.
And if it's a if they're validpoints, I can listen to them.
But y'all, I don't feel thaty'all make valid points and
y'all don't make in good faithpoints.
Because it's always, oh, youjust want to tear down a woman,
or oh, but if roles werereversed, or oh, but you know,
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she well, she has a lot of hits,so she must not be mediocre.
No.
No.
That's not none of those arevalid points to me.
I'm so like, they're just not,they're lazy and they're used to
avoid the conversation.
And that's why, like, I wouldjust rather y'all be like, you
know what, what you're saying istrue, but at the end of the
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day, I still like her and I'mstill gonna listen to her.
Cool.
But the fact that y'all wannatry to counter argue or like
make a point as to why she's notmediocre, but you the point
that you're trying to make isbased in like literal
nothingness.
Like, I can't take y'allseriously.
I I cannot take y'all seriouslybecause if your argument isn't
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based in oh, but look at how bigher.
Following is so she must not bemediocre, or oh, you just want
to bash women, or oh, you'rejust jealous, or or or you guys
like resort to racism, and y'allthink that those are valid
arguments, y'all think thaty'all ate with that?
Okay, like I can't like it.
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I would again, I would justrather y'all say, like, listen,
yeah, it's mediocre, but I likemediocre because I'm also
mediocre and it it just makes methat's what I relate to.
Period.
Heard you.
But the fact that these are thearguments that y'all try to
make back, I fear I rest mycase.
I fear, I fear like you guysjust prove my point.
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The arguments that y'allrespond with are just as
mediocre as Taylor's music.
Hope this helps.
So, as I've said, and as I'llcontinue to say, unless somebody
wants to present me with avalid argument, Taylor Swift is
a mediocre white woman, andshe's risen to fame and
popularity because othermediocre white women in JLo like
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to be able to relate to someonewho is mediocre.
Because there are so manyphenomenal white singers that
y'all could put on the pedestalthat y'all do for Taylor Swift
and y'all don't do it.
Adele is right there, ZaraLarson is right there, um, Haley
Williams is right there, ReneeRapp is right there.
Like, there are so manytalented people that I feel like
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deserve popularity and famethat Taylor Swift has, but they
don't have it, and I don't getit.
I don't understand it.
I don't under I do understandit, but y'all don't like my
reasoning.
So enjoy I don't know.
Y'all, y'all don't make senseto me, but white privilege
doesn't make sense.
So, yeah, I guess that I guessthat um that tracks.
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Anyways, I've said what I'vesaid, I've yet to see an
argument that is not based inwhite feminism, racism, or just
completely avoiding theargument.
So until then, I will bestanding by what I've said.
Hope this helps.
Thanks so much for tuning intotoday's episode.
I hope everyone's having a goodday except for that orange ink
lady, and I will talk to you inthe next episode.
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Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
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by Daijne Jones, post productionby Daijne Jones, music by Sam
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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to the Napkin inbetween podcast.
I am your host, Daijne Jones.
I hope everyone's been having agood week except for that
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orange drink lady.
Of course.
Oh nothing.
Why did my voice crack socrazy?
That was so embarrassing.
Let's take take two.
Oh nothing.
Just uh ginger nay back in thebuilding, bitch.
Oh my god.
I'm ginger and I have braids.
Like we have a little specialtwo for one right now.
(00:42):
Because, first of all, I lovebeing ginger.
I love, I feel like this isjust the hair color that like
fits me very well.
Like it's tea.
But also, I have been talkingfor like a month or so now about
how I couldn't wait until myhair was long enough for me to
finally get braids.
Ah! It is long enough and wehave braids, and I'm just so
(01:05):
excited.
Oh, I'm so excited becauseagain, I have been wanting
braids for a very long time.
But I feel like every time I dosomething different with my
hair, I find out a littlesomething that I didn't know
about being bold.
Because nobody warned me.
My like I'm very happy with mybraids.
(01:25):
I I love them, but they're sofucking itchy.
Like my scalp has been so itchysince I got them, and I just
feel like it's probably becauselike the only thing that makes
sense, I was talking to Taliaabout it.
Like maybe just my scalp is nolonger used to braiding hair.
I don't I don't know.
(01:46):
It's been like five monthssince the last time I had
braids, so I'm like, did itreally change that much in five
months?
But I just like I think I justgot so used to being bald.
I guess five months is a lot oftime.
I don't know.
I have no perception of time,so it doesn't really feel like
that much, but like once Ireally think about it, maybe
that is a lot of time.
(02:06):
But I feel like I just got soused to being bald that like I'm
just not used to having hairnow.
Like when I started wearing awig, I was overstimulated as
fuck.
Like I could feel the wig onthe back of my neck and like my
scalp, like it was just a lot,and now I feel like I'm
experiencing the same thing withthese braids, and I'm just like
fuck.
(02:26):
Like, I'm trying to get used toit.
I'm I'm keeping the braids infor at least a week because I'm
going on a cruise next week.
So they'll be in for at leasttwo weeks.
But I swear I have been like,damn, I kind of want to take
this out because just like Ihate, I hate itchy.
I hate being itchy, I hate myscalp feeling like this, and
I've tried so many differentthings, like I've sprayed my
scalp with water, probablyoverdoing it.
(02:48):
Like these braids are gonnafall out any minute because I'm
just constantly spraying myscalp with water.
I've tried oil, I've triedleave-in conditioner, like I've
tried so many things, and I feellike nothing is really soothing
my scalp the way that I want itto.
It feels pretty good right now.
I got um, I just went to Ultaand got the uh Sacred Protective
(03:11):
line, and so there's this oneum scalp balm, and I put that on
last night and also sprayed myhair with the scalp refreshing
spray, also from the sacredline.
That seems to be helping themost right now.
I still feel a little itch, butit's not as bad as it was
before I tried that.
But something's gotta givebecause I can't, I don't care.
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I will rip these braids thefuck out.
I hate, I hate itchy, I hatelike my scalp feeling this right
now.
But anyway, the peak of my weekwas getting my hair braided
because honestly, I was a littlebit nervous to get these braids
because I had sent a photo ofmy hair to a braiding shop that
I had found on 125th, and Iasked her, like, do you think
(03:54):
you can grip my hair?
And she was like, Yeah, I cangrip it.
And I was like, Okay, so shecan grip it, which is great, but
like, is it gonna hurt?
You know what I mean?
Like, is she gonna be grippingmy scalp and my thoughts and you
know, like my brain meat?
Like, what's gonna happen?
And honestly, the braids aresecure, but they're not tight,
(04:15):
which is good.
Which that was what I wasworried about, is that they were
gonna have to be overly tightfor her to grip my hair.
But once she blew my hair outand then like started adding gel
or whatever, it was actually alot longer than I thought it
was.
I have like shrinkage is crazy,which I love my shrinkage
because it's a sign that yourhair is healthy.
So once I learned that, I waslike, okay, period.
(04:35):
I I love shrinkage now.
We've we've changed ourperspective.
Um, but it's always sosurprising to me.
Like my shrinkage, it my hairshrinks a lot, and so um, I
didn't realize how long itactually had gotten, but yeah,
I'm just really excited, and Ifeel like I can do more styles
now, which I've loved beingbald, and it's been amazing, and
I've learned so much aboutmyself, and just like my
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confidence, it was a crazyconfidence boost.
But I'm excited to be able todo styles again and get braids
and other things like that.
So that's definitely been thepeak of my week because I get
bored with my hair.
Like I love being bald, it wasobviously to just get up and go,
and again, huge boost to myconfidence.
But I like to switch up myhair, I like to do different
things and try different stylesand stuff like that.
(05:19):
So that's definitely the peakof my week, it's just being able
to finally like get into that.
I guess I could have been doingthis all along, like I could
have been wearing wigs orwhatever, but I wanted to be
bald, and also it was summer, sonobody wants to wear a wig in
the summer, it's like a fuckinghelmet.
But anyway, that has been thepeak of my week is being able to
change up my hair, get mybraids, which I love, even
(05:39):
though they're a little itchy.
If anybody has anyrecommendations, please, please
tell me because the scalp is soitchy.
I I will say again, it has beenbetter since I used the sacred
projection line.
But um, if anybody has anyother recommendations, please
leave them in the comments.
I would really appreciate that.
That has been the peak of myweek.
Please tell me the peak of yourweek.
Something that made you smile,kept you grounded, kept you sane
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in the chaos of the world.
Segwing into what we're gonnatalk about today.
As we all know, Taylor Swiftrecently released an album
called The Life of a Showgirl.
And the album has gotten somereviews that honestly were a
little surprising to me.
I've been seeing Swifties orpeople who have claimed that
they've been Swifties for yearsbe like, actually, what is this?
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Like, this is her worst album,the the lyrics are weird, like
just like people are not feelingthis album.
And it's feeling like peopleare finally starting to
understand, and when I saypeople, I mean mainly Swifties
or Taylor Swift fans, arestarting to realize what we have
been saying all along thatTaylor Swift is quite mediocre
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and there's not really been muchgrowth in her career, and that
I mean she's just been praisedfor the majority of her career
for being a mediocre whitewoman.
So I made a video, not aboutthe album, because admittedly I
did not listen to it.
I've heard snippets here andthere, and I've heard all I need
to hear, but I made a videoabout why I feel like Taylor
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Swift has risen to the fame andpopularity that she has.
And I'm gonna put the video inhere that I posted on TikTok and
Instagram or whatever for youguys to see.
Taylor Swift has the fame andpopularity that she has today,
mainly for two reasons.
Number one, she's a mediocrewhite woman, and she reminds
other mediocre white women inJ-Lo that not only is mediocre
okay, but it can get you veryfar.
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And I know what you're gonnasay, oh my god, but she's an
amazing songwriter singer, butI'm gonna hold your hand with an
acronym too when I say this.
She's been writing about thesame thing for 20 years.
If I were writing about thesame thing for 20 years, I
should be pretty good at it too.
I don't And not only has shebeen writing the same album
different font for 20 years, butnothing about her has improved.
Her dancing is still the sameas it was 20 years ago.
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Again, she's writing about thesame thing.
She literally has not improvedin any way in her career.
And why is that?
Because she's a meteor girlwhite woman and y'all will
praise her for being a meteorgirl woman.
She knows she doesn't have todo anything more.
Whatever she does, whatever sheputs out, y'all are going to
buy it.
Number two, and I know y'allare not ready for this one, but
ready or not, you're like, Y'allstill see her as a little girl
who was bullied by the big scaryblack man on the VMA stage in
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2009.
Now, a friendly reminder: multiple things can be true at (08:11):
undefined
once.
Kanye was dead the fuck wrongfor doing that in that moment,
and at the very same time, y'allhave been infantilizing and
cuddling this woman since ithappened.
That's also why y'all feel theneed to constantly compare
Taylor Swift to Beyonce, becausein that moment, Kanye was
praising Beyonce over TaylorSwift.
And so since that moment, y'allhave felt the need to protect
Taylor Swift and defend hervirtue and prove why she
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deserved that award and otherpraises over Beyonce and have
never let Beyonce know a day ofpeace, even though number one,
Beyonce was mortified in thatmoment and did not want Kanye to
do that.
And number two, when Beyoncewas on the stage, she brought
Taylor back on the stage to giveher her moment.
Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk.
And if you disagree with me, Icould not give a fuck less.
Hope this helps.
Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
And so after I posted thatvideo, I decided to do something
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a little bit scary.
I went through the commentsbecause I knew that there were
going to be Swifties in thecomments defending Taylor Swift,
and I wanted to see what theirarguments were to see if any of
them were being reasonable oreven hearing what I had to say
or what their counter-argumentwas to my arguments.
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And so I screenshot a couple ofthem and I wanted to read them
and respond to them because Ihonestly I'm always open to
discussion as long as you knowit's a healthy discussion and
you want to argue in good faith,or we're not arguing about
something idiotic like people'shuman rights.
Um, and so I went through thecomments and I just wanted to
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see what people were saying.
And so I'm gonna read some ofthe responses that I got from
Swifties and respond to them.
So the first comment reads,Y'all say this with so much
confidence, having only heardlike five of her 250 songs.
She's popular because sheworked for it, she wrote her
songs, people liked them, hencewhy she just wrapped up the
biggest tour of all time.
If she was mediocre, then shewouldn't have collected such a
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large fan base.
So, first and foremost, what ifI said that if you've heard
five of her songs and you'veheard all 250?
Then what?
You know what I mean?
Second of all, to say that, oh,she must not be mediocre
because she has such a largefollowing is such a baseless
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argument.
Because someone having a largefollowing does not mean that
they're good.
Like, I feel like that's commonsense, no?
For example, look at who ispresident of the United States
right now.
You know what I mean?
So it's like to use that as anargument, like, oh well, clearly
she's not mediocre because lookhow many people follow her, da
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da da.
That doesn't mean that she'snot mediocre.
And this is my issue with a lotof of Swifties, and like again,
if if you want to have an opendiscussion about this, I'm I'm
open to that.
But I feel like their argumentsare not based in like real
life, you know what I mean?
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Like, for like even this personsaid, Oh, she just wrapped up
the biggest tour of all time.
I don't know that that's real.
Is that true?
What's the source?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, was it a big tour?
Probably.
It was probably a major tour,but biggest tour of all time,
like y'all just be talking outof your fucking asses.
Like, give me what's thesource?
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Let me see the source.
If I'm wrong, prove me wrong.
What's the source for that?
And then they say things like,oh, but she worked really hard
for it, which I'm not at alldoubting.
I'm sure she's she's worked,she's worked, but let's also
not, we can't deny the fact thather father is extremely she
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comes from an extremely wealthyfamily.
Okay, like her father paid forsome of her career as well.
We cannot, we can't deny that.
That's like people are like,oh, well, she's a self-made
billionaire, da-da-da-da-da.
She comes from wealth.
Saying that Taylor Swift is aself-made billionaire is the
same as saying that Kylie Jenneris a self-made billionaire.
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Neither one of them areself-made billionaires, they
came from wealth.
Like, let's be so fucking forreal.
The next comment says, This isobjectively not true.
The reign she has on her albumsis extremely clear.
Clear to who?
Okay.
But hey, she clearly doesn'tneed the support of a mediocre
colored girl since she's beenthe most popular artist alive
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for the past 10 plus years andstill going.
This is what most of mycomments look like when I went
through the comments.
It's just people resorting toracism.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, if you feel likeyou have to resort to racism to
defend your fave, that tells methat you know that what I'm
saying has some ground to it,but you don't want to admit
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that, you don't want toacknowledge it.
So instead of acknowledging it,you just would rather resort to
racism.
And that tells me everythingthat I need to know about you.
Like, let's be serious, let'sbe for real.
Also, again, like I feel likey'all just say things that are
not real.
The most popular artist alivefor the past 10 plus years,
what's the source?
What's the source?
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I don't think that you can sayanyone are any one artist is the
most popular artist becausepopularity is based off of many
different things when it comesto things like music, because
music is subjective, right?
People can like it, peoplecannot like it, whatever,
whatever.
So to say that she's been themost popular artist alive,
again, I need you to be soincredibly for real.
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Someone said you can keep thathand holding and the napkin.
I'm good with listening to thishorrible end quotes album and
living my life not being thismiserable.
Another thing that was in mostof the comments that I found is
people being like, Oh, you'rejust miserable, you're just
jealous, you're justda-da-da-da.
And it's like, again, you guyssay these things when you
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realize that points are beingmade, but you refuse to
acknowledge them because youwould rather defend your
mediocre fave than realize, hey,maybe there's some truth, maybe
there's some realness in what'sbeing said.
Another comment reads, Iunderstand the backlash from her
latest albums, but I disagreewith the observation that she's
writing about the same thingover and over.
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She wears high heels, I weart-shirts, she's sheer captain,
and I'm on the bleachers, andyou belong with me.
I'm not a bad bitch, and thisisn't savage, but I'm never
gonna let you down, and I'mnever gonna leave you now.
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Is that not the same thingbeing said just a different way?
Is that not are those not thesame lyrics, but just said a
different way?
Y'all will not gaslight me.
Yes, this woman has beenwriting the same thing over and
over.
She might branch out here andthere, possibly.
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But when you look at herdiscography as a whole, she has
been writing about her exes andmen and being with someone like
for the majority of herdiscography.
You will not gaslight me.
You will not gaslight me.
She is writing about the samething over and over.
You're gonna tell me that thatis not the exact same line.
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You're gonna tell me thatthat's not the exact same thing,
just said a different way.
Be for real.
Be for real! And she's actuallyreleased really good projects
like 1989, Evermore, folklore,and Red produced too many hits
to call her mediocre.
That's not that's likeobjectively not a real thing.
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Like, y'all think that quantityequals quality, and it doesn't.
Those two things are not thesame thing.
When you say hits, what doesthat mean?
Like, when you consider a songa hit, do you consider it a hit
because it has so many streams?
Do you consider it a hitbecause it was revolutionary and
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changed the game or somethinglike that?
Like, what what do you mean byhit?
Because I feel like a lot ofthe time when speaking to
Swifties about Taylor producinghits, they're like, oh, but look
how many streams she got andda-da-da-da.
And it's like, I know y'all, Iknow what y'all do.
Y'all will literally put analbum on to play and turn the
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volume down and have the albumplaying while you're asleep.
I know y'all do that.
I know y'all do that to boostthe number of streams.
So is it really a hit, or arey'all just like boosting it
because it's your fave?
Like, let's be real, when yousay it's a hit, what does that
mean?
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Because if you're if you'retalking about number of streams,
again, you're confusing qualitywith quantity, and that's I
fear that's what a lot of yourguys' arguments is based in, and
I don't think that that's afair argument.
She is 100% a privileged whitewoman, but I don't think it's
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fair not to give credit whereit's due.
I disagree with your videobecause 70% of your talking
points are the same recycledrage-bate talking points.
I don't think it is a fairassessment.
Latest albums still suckthough, and I would agree that
she is out of touch right nowwith people and her fan base.
So are my talking pointsrecycled or are the people just
saying the same things becausewe're making the same
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observations?
Also, like I need y'all tolearn the meaning of words
because just because youdisagree with something or just
because it made you upset doesnot mean that it was meant for
rage bait.
Right?
Like, did you go into watchingmy video with an open mind, or
did you go into it with this ishow I feel, she has hits, da da
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da.
Like, do you see what I'msaying?
Like, just because you disagreewith what's being said doesn't
mean that it was postedspecifically to anger you or as
rage bait.
Like, I need y'all tounderstand that words mean
things, and y'all learn thesebuzzwords and you just throw
them around willy-nilly, andit's like, no, that's really not
what that means.
Like, just because you disagreewith something doesn't mean
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that it was it was rage bait.
Like, let's be serious, and tothe point of saying she's 100% a
privileged white woman, but Idon't think it's fair not to
give her credit where it's due.
I feel like two things canexist at the same time.
I understand that there aresome Taylor Swift songs that I'm
like, okay, like this iscatchy.
I get I get the hype for thisone song, but it's like when you
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look at her discography and youlook at it as a whole, does she
really deserve the hype thatshe has when you look at the
discography and where she was 20years ago to where she is now?
Do I think that she really isdeserving of the hype and the
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fame and the popularity that shehas?
No, because again, not much haschanged with her from the
beginning of her career to now.
She still dances the same.
You will not gaslight me.
She writes about the samethings over and over.
And it's like, yeah, maybe shehas some hits here and there, or
maybe she has some good songshere and there, but good hits
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here and there does not equateto the level of popularity that
she has now.
She has the level of popularitythat she has because she is a
privileged white woman.
I like let's be so fucking forreal.
She does not have to doanything different, or she
doesn't have to improve in hercareer because at the end of the
day, y'all are gonna prop herup, y'all are going to buy her
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album, y'all are going to listento it, no matter what she puts
out.
And like, that's just real.
Like, let's just be fucking forreal.
The thing is though, that y'alldon't want to, like, y'all will
say, Yes, she's privileged, butI need y'all to realize and
understand and learn that whenyou say but in a sentence, it
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negates everything that you'vesaid before the butt.
So y'all like to to disregardher privilege and be like, oh,
but she's she's worked reallyhard.
Has she worked really hard orhas she been mediocre?
But since she's a white woman,mediocre is okay.
Questions that need answers.
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Another comment reads, I wonderwhy people always bring up
things they dislike when it'sTaylor Swift.
Again, y'all are not real.
Y'all are not being realbecause every artist, regardless
of if they deserve the critiqueor not, every artist gets
critiqued.
Every single artist.
People talk about things thatthey don't like with every
artist.
You just don't want toacknowledge that points are
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being made.
So you're like, oh, you guysonly do this when it's Taylor
Swift.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Another comment says, peace andlove at the end, but the entire
video is tearing another womandown, hypocrite.
So, first and foremost, let melet me talk about the peace and
love that I say at the end of myvideos.
Cause I think that y'all haveit a little confused.
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Whenever I say peace and loveat the end of the video, it is
never directed at the personthat I'm speaking about in the
video.
Okay?
I talk a lot of shit.
Okay, I know this.
I've I love to talk, I love totalk shit.
I just God forbid a bitch likesto talk shit.
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You know what I mean?
But I'm trying to make it pastthem pearly gates.
You feel me?
So I feel like in my brain, ifI talk shit in a video, but I
say peace and love at the end,it kind of cancels out like
Pandas.
And honestly, am I talking shitor am I just making valid
points and y'all just don't likewhat's being said?
Let's talk about it.
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You know what I mean?
But in case I am talking shit,in case I am doing something
wrong, I feel like if I saypeace and love at the end, it
cancels it out, and I still havemy reserves heath beyond the
pearly gates.
So I don't want y'all to everthink, especially when I'm in a
video like reading a racist or ahomophobic person or a
xenophobic or a transphobicperson, like I'm not saying
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peace and love for them.
Fuck them.
You feel me?
I'm saying peace and love forme because I want to make sure
that I get past them pearlygates.
That has always been for me andme only.
That's like a, you know what Imean?
Like, that's for me.
That's for my salvation, notfor them.
Let's get that clear.
Second of all, saying that I'mtearing another woman down is
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actually so fucking comical.
This is the white feminism thatwe be talking about that
Swifties and Taylor Swift usesbecause y'all only try to use
feminism when it benefits y'all.
Calling out white privilege andacknowledging white privilege
and how it's played a role inthe boosting of somebody's
career is not tearing thatperson down.
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Right?
Like, y'all will be like, oh,we need to call out the
negatives in the world, we needto call out bigotry, we need to
call da da da da da.
But when it's your fave beingcalled out for the bigotry and
the white supremacy and thewhite tactics that benefit them,
now all of a sudden, oh, you'renot a girl's girl, you're not a
feminist, you're tearing otherwomen down, da da da da.
Shut the fuck up.
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Shut up.
Like y'all, that's so lazy andlame.
And it's again another excusefor y'all to avoid the fact that
points are being made becausethe points are being made
against your faith.
And also, like, y'all betalking about some, oh, you're
tearing down women.
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Why are you bashing women?
You're not a girl's girl.
Why are we bashing women?
Didn't old girls shade twowomen in the album?
You see what I'm saying?
Like, this is the whitefeminism we be talking about.
Y'all be like, oh, whathappened to a girl supporting
girls?
Why are you bashing anotherwoman?
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Why are you tearing anotherwoman down?
As you're defending a woman whoallegedly dissed two women in
the album.
The selective outrage is crazy.
I'm just letting y'all know theselective outrage is very loud
and it's very crazy.
You can't pick and choose whenyou wanna be a feminist.
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Y'all need to be so fucking forreal.
Calling out white privilege andacknowledging white privilege
is not tearing a woman down,it's tearing down white
supremacy.
Which is that not what we'resupposed to be doing?
Exactly.
So shut the fuck up.
Another comment says, and thething is that we Swifties have
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seen she can create somethingnew and mature like she did with
folklore and evermore, but shekeeps going back to making teen
type music at her big age.
So shouldn't that tell you?
Wait, wait, it's like you gotyou guys are this close to the
point, but it's like you'restill missing it.
If she can show you that shecan write mature music, but she
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keeps going back to the teenagebeep bops, would that not be an
indication on how she feelsabout y'all as fans?
Like, is she not kind ofplaying in y'all's face?
If she can show y'all, like,hey, like, I can write something
really mature and good.
But I'm just not gonna do thatbecause at the end of the day,
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y'all are gonna buy whatever Iput out anyway.
So here, it's it's giving heredamn.
It's giving a little bit ofhear damn and also a little bit
of like grift, you know?
Like, no matter what I put out,they're gonna buy it anyway.
So why would I work hard?
Why would I, you know, show theshow them my mature side?
Why would I put more into mycraft when no matter what I put
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out, they're still gonna listento it, they're still gonna buy
it.
You see what I'm saying?
It's like y'all are so close,y'all are so close.
Just lock the fuck in and wakeup.
Cause I feel like I don't knowthat.
I feel like that's such anindication to me that like she
knows what she's doing.
Yeah.
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Anyway, the next comment says,Imagine if Taylor was a black
woman writing about, and I quotethe same thing her whole
career.
Would you have been sayingthis?
I hate the oh, but if roleswere reversed, shut the fuck up.
Roles have been reversed forfucking ever.
And also, in this specificsituation, the roles could never
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be reversed because a blackwoman does not have the luxury
of being mediocre.
A black woman would never getto the level of fame and
popularity that Taylor Swift hasby being mediocre.
Black women always have to beextraordinary in order to reach
that level of fame.
Let's be so fucking for real.
I hate how y'all always want todo the oh, but if roles were
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reversed, imagine it.
First of all, we don't have toimagine.
Because roles have beenreversed for for forever.
Okay?
That's number one.
Number two, black women don'tget to be mediocre.
They don't.
We have to work twice as hardto get half as much.
So please shut the fuck up.
Y'all just want to derail theconversation because again, you
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cannot grapple with the factthat points are being made.
So instead of acknowledgingthat, it's easier for you to
make yourself and your faves thevictim so that you can play
this victim role and not have toacknowledge that points are
being made.
It's lazy and it's loserfucking behavior.
Next thing, why are you blamingTaylor for what her fans are
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doing?
It's not her fault that they'reinfantilizing her in whatever
you're talking about.
And I am a black 24-year-oldwoman saying this.
I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
Black people don't say, as ablack person, I don't believe
you.
But to your point of, oh, whyare you blaming Taylor?
It's her fans infantilizingher, wrong.
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Taylor's fans infantilize herbecause she also infantilizes
herself.
She's still singing about beingin fucking high school.
Okay, like she's still singingabout being this poor little
victim and and oh, people arebeing so mean to her.
Like, why do you think her fanshave the ability to infantilize
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her?
Because she's she'sinfantilizing herself.
Like, I know that y'all cannotbe this it I'm stuttering.
Let me let me lock the fuck in.
What I'm saying is not thisdifficult to understand and
comprehend.
Which tells me that y'all,again, are doing anything that
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you can do to avoidacknowledging that there is
truth behind what is being said.
Y'all want to avoid thisconversation like JLo avoids
using her real vocals and hersongs.
Y'all avoid this conversationlike Trump avoided the draft.
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And that's why again, I have noproblem with hearing people
out.
And if it's a if they're validpoints, I can listen to them.
But y'all, I don't feel thaty'all make valid points and
y'all don't make in good faithpoints.
Because it's always, oh, youjust want to tear down a woman,
or oh, but if roles werereversed, or oh, but you know,
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she well, she has a lot of hits,so she must not be mediocre.
No.
No.
That's not none of those arevalid points to me.
I'm so like, they're just not,they're lazy and they're used to
avoid the conversation.
And that's why, like, I wouldjust rather y'all be like, you
know what, what you're saying istrue, but at the end of the
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day, I still like her and I'mstill gonna listen to her.
Cool.
But the fact that y'all wannatry to counter argue or like
make a point as to why she's notmediocre, but you the point
that you're trying to make isbased in like literal
nothingness.
Like, I can't take y'allseriously.
I I cannot take y'all seriouslybecause if your argument isn't
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based in oh, but look at how bigher.
Following is so she must not bemediocre, or oh, you just want
to bash women, or oh, you'rejust jealous, or or or you guys
like resort to racism, and y'allthink that those are valid
arguments, y'all think thaty'all ate with that?
Okay, like I can't like it.
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I would again, I would justrather y'all say, like, listen,
yeah, it's mediocre, but I likemediocre because I'm also
mediocre and it it just makes methat's what I relate to.
Period.
Heard you.
But the fact that these are thearguments that y'all try to
make back, I fear I rest mycase.
I fear, I fear like you guysjust prove my point.
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The arguments that y'allrespond with are just as
mediocre as Taylor's music.
Hope this helps.
So, as I've said, and as I'llcontinue to say, unless somebody
wants to present me with avalid argument, Taylor Swift is
a mediocre white woman, andshe's risen to fame and
popularity because othermediocre white women in JLo like
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to be able to relate to someonewho is mediocre.
Because there are so manyphenomenal white singers that
y'all could put on the pedestalthat y'all do for Taylor Swift
and y'all don't do it.
Adele is right there, ZaraLarson is right there, um, Haley
Williams is right there, ReneeRapp is right there.
Like, there are so manytalented people that I feel like
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deserve popularity and famethat Taylor Swift has, but they
don't have it, and I don't getit.
I don't understand it.
I don't under I do understandit, but y'all don't like my
reasoning.
So enjoy I don't know.
Y'all, y'all don't make senseto me, but white privilege
doesn't make sense.
So, yeah, I guess that I guessthat um that tracks.
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Anyways, I've said what I'vesaid, I've yet to see an
argument that is not based inwhite feminism, racism, or just
completely avoiding theargument.
So until then, I will bestanding by what I've said.
Hope this helps.
Thanks so much for tuning intotoday's episode.
I hope everyone's having a goodday except for that orange ink
lady, and I will talk to you inthe next episode.
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Peace and love.
Talk to you later.
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by Daijne Jones, post productionby Daijne Jones, music by Sam
Champagne, and graphics by IsmaVidal.
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