Burned Out? How to Find Your Second Wind

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Pastor Joe Liles (00:00):
Welcome to the TNC podcast, live and recorded
in the worship center at theneighborhood church. We are
three awesome staff sitting inthe neighborhood church after a
wonderful Sunday. We're gonnabreak that down a little bit in
our dear younger me series andand can I just say that it's all
post? Gosh, yesterday, I thinkit was where last, last two

(00:22):
weeks, we've had like a heatwave, right? I mean, it was 9598
900 Right, right, in that range,and blistering hot. And then,
and then fall just came in likea wrecking ball. I mean, it
basically dropped 30 degrees.
It's been like 70 degree. It'sbeen beautiful.

Roseann Bowlin (00:41):
Was almost cold.
It was

cold. It is cold. Like I was running this
morning and I got cold, and Iwas like, This is awesome. Now
here's my fear, is that I'mfully in for this weather right
now. I think it's wonderful. Idon't think summers don't fall
for I don't know fall. It wasthat a pun intended. It's false.
Fall. It's false.

Tom Helmich (01:00):
It's so good though. Mother Nature, Jenkin
our chain right now, because sogood. I wanted to sit on the
front porch, but Amy's allergiesare killing her, right? Ah,
because the weather is great forit.

So well, you said that to me the other day in
our one on one. We were sittingyou like, Hey, what's up with
your voice? And I'm like,nothing. And you're like, Are
you sure? And I'm like, Well,now that you ask, why is my
voice sound like this? And I waslike, I could be in allergies
right now. I was like, I justdon't, and I don't recognize
allergies.

Yeah, if I can tell in your in your eyes and your
voice, yes, right? Because it's,it sounds like you're either
kind of sleepy and it gets muchlower and kind of gravelly,
yeah, like, oh

yeah, there's something Joe's getting well.
And then I'll get it every year,15 years in Arkansas, every
year, I just get my energies asdraws at one part of the season.
And I just get tired, and I justget tired, and I go to Jess I'm
like, I don't get it. Get it.
Like, I'm just exhausted, right?
And it takes me two weeks in tofigure out its allergies every
year. And I'm like, oh. And thenI go to my doctor, and I say,

(01:51):
oh, I need the Claritin D andthe prescription trait. And he's
like, every year, Joe, mydoctors that kind of like, speak
truth and love, like you're anidiot doctor, like, he'll just
look at me, but you're in it.
And I'm like, come on, doctor.
And he's like, You should beloading up two months prior
every year to out. And I waslike, I know you said, can I
just have the drugs? Please justgive me the drugs. Put it on
your calendar. Put it on mycalendar. No lecture. I know

(02:12):
what I've done to myself. Herewe go. So yeah, so we're in and
we're gonna be talking throughthis wonderful, dear younger me
series. But let's introducewho's on the podcast. My name is
Joe Liles, host of the podcast,along with two other wonderful
hosts and pastor of theneighborhood Church, which is
wonderful. And to my left wehave the wonderful director of
operations, Roseanne bowling.
Roseanne bowling, which isgreat. No E on the end of

(02:33):
Roseanne, I I put you yesterdayon our new storage units. We got
new storage units yesterday.
Isn't that exciting? It's veryexciting. I'm gonna, I'm gonna
ask the question before you askit, why would we need more
storage units, right? Versus theones we already have? Now, what
we did, though, see Tom's alsolooking at me, like, how dare
you get Yeah. So don't worry.
I'm gonna, I might be judging,yeah, yeah, don't judge. So we
were paying surgery, but ourstorage unit company got bought

(02:55):
out, right? So they switchedhands, so we had to go in and re
sign our paperwork, right? Andeverything else like that. Well,
when I went on, I was trying tofigure out the numbers, so I
went onto the website, and theyhave the new owner specials. And
the new owner specials were athird of the price that we're
paying for our current unit atthe same size. So I messaged
him, and I was like, hey, I wantthe deal. And he's like, can't

(03:16):
get the deal. You're already aunit holder. And I was like,
Well, how do I get the deal? Andhe's like, Well, a lot of people
are asking. He's like, you haveto basically get to the end of
month, not renew your nextmonth, move out of your unit and
move into another one. And I waslike, Can I just move back into
the same one? He's like, no.
It's like, this bike. And I waslike, but it's gonna save me

(03:38):
$200 a month. And he's like,yes. And I was like, great. What
units can I have? It's like,tell me what's going on. So we
went and got two units, and I'msaving $2,400 a year. So that
was a good investment. Imaginehow much we save it. We just,
you know, you know, we don't gotto say that out loud. I know how
much we save. It's out there.
Now you throw it all away. Youknow? What else can do it?
Donate it. We're going toinventory. You could use it.
We're going to inventory what'sin there so they see what we can

(04:00):
release. So zero See, I'malready on a path, Tom, I'm
already on a path. And you hearTom to my right, pastor of care
and education, the one Karen,education, the one the only Tom.
Tom, it's great to hear you. Sothe thrower

away of useless things

and Tom, you love to throw away things. I
have entered more fridges,right? That are just been wiped.
I go in there for, like, a weekold, something like, here's all
scavenge. I don't mind, right?
You're well, we have enoughvents right now to where I'm
like, there'll be, like, somegood chicken left over. Like, no
one's coming in

for the week.
Botulism, you're welcome, Joe.

Oh, I get him.
Like, Tom's been here. Like, youneed a sign that, just like, a
little placard that says Tom hasbeen here. So that way when you
clear out the fridges. But I'vebeen doing good. I've actually
been clearing out the fridgesnow too. I've been you've taught
me better. You've taught mebetter. It's great. And
actually, I just thought todaywe have a new staff coming on
for facilities and maintenance.
I'm actually going to have themevery Friday. Just clear

(04:55):
fridges, right? So that waynothing stays I know. I know
Roseanne. It's crazy. I know I

found brown sugar in the back of a cabinet
yesterday because I am cleaning,also

you're cleaning.
Wow, this church is going to bejust know that any day you're
not here. Yeah, stuff's going

it's good. I want to go back. Where did all
of our banners go? Like, whatsounds like I threw

them away. So, so far, you've not looked for
anything. I've thrown away.
Yeah, that's really good. It

is. Look, I don't need to go good. This is
wonderful. Well, before we getthe podcast, before I forget,

which we always do, well, he saved $2,400 so now
he can buy new

bands. You know what? Hey, let's go new
banners. We got some otherthings coming on with the
property. It's great. We got anew fridge coming in tomorrow,
which is gonna be great,

Bay new fridge.
It's gonna be great. A lot ofkids to feed. It takes a lot of
fridge space with it takes

which it takes a lot of fridge space. And so
we're going to be out, whichmeans we get to clean our store
room in little neighbors. Solook, look at this. Just, it's
fall, cleaning. And I know I'm,you know, where

we could use with that other $2,400 what we could
rent a big dumpster.

Oh, yeah, clean up the barn. We should do
that. Clean out the barn, and

then we could roll off dumpsters. Stop by the
storage unit, you know, yeah,just load it wherever. Well,
this drops. People don't realizehow much like stuff you
accumulate. Doing, doing church.

Oh, absolutely right. The the seasons, and then
and it, yeah, and we use it. Imean, we'll pull out,

yeah? We have someone who says, Oh, we can use
this next season, yeah. Who

would ever say that for two seasons? Which

is working. We need a sticker, right, right? So it's
like, okay for that, but then ifit doesn't get used to the next

one, then we could just, it goes away. Donate
it. It goes away. Yeah, it'sgone. Gone. That's great. Well,
in light of starting thepodcast, let's sing our jingle.
Are you guys ready? A, one, A,2479367, 2285, 2285 neighborhood
church. That's great.

That was our phone number. I really miss, like,
table setting up, like, thereally quick tempo and, yep,
becoming completely different.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. Just goes fast into it,
and then he was done, weswitched, yeah, like, I missed
the harmonies. Harmonies werethere. I'm soloing it out right
now. Can't help you with that.
No, you can't help me with that.
We might need might need, like,its own jingle, like that we
just create. And so, like, we'llget to the next podcast, like
the jingle, and be like,

on these mornings we need to call them and be
like, Hey, will you sing thisfor a minute? Yeah,

jingle it out.
That's great. Yeah, we hung outwith table on Sunday night,
which was super cool. So he'sover a bike rack when we were
doing beer and hemps and so thatwas super fun, all right, so
let's get into the podcast andtalk through a little bit of
dear younger me. So we've beenwalking through the series that
is truly talking about wisdom atall the different ages. And I
had a moment on last Ooh, whatwas it? Last Saturday night, we

(07:38):
had Tyra came back into town. Wegot her in, we had dinner. And
as we were having dinner withlike, the core team and the band
and different things like that,overused, honest pizza, and we
got into the space where a lotof kids were there. So he had
these teenagers there, and oneof the adults opened up a photo.
Was like, Oh, this is funny.
Like, this is when I dressed upfor, you know, my high school
dance. And they still had thisphoto. And so they brought it

(08:00):
out, and he was in a cowboy hat.
This is Waylon, right? Waylonwas in a cowboy hat, and he
thought it was super cool. Itwas, of course, it was super
cool, and so cool. Then it wascool then, so he gets his cowboy
hat, and he dressed up in thiskind of cowboy tux and
everything else like that. Sothe kids were laughing. I was
like, Oh, wait, I have one whereI'm wearing a fedora. And so I
was going to look through thelike to find this Fedora picture
that I had from when early on inthe church days, like, 15 years
ago, and I'm looking for it, butas I was looking for it, I came

(08:22):
across all these other picturesfrom like, 1012, years ago, and
I started to stop, and we werekind of heading out of gusano,
so I didn't find it right away.
But then I was in the car, and Istarted hitting, like, early kid
pictures. So I early land andearly Kaylee, right? And just a
delight, because you forget,like they looked different than
an age you know, like Landon wasa platinum blonde, super light,

(08:44):
flowy hair, right? Super smiley,but didn't talk a lot, right? So
he was unintelligible, right? Sohe there was a lot of babbling
going on, I mean, all the way up345, years old and and so like,
looking at him like hisexpressions were so much more
alive, because that's how hecommunicated, right? He
communicated through expressionand and so just to see him, and

(09:06):
we hung out all the first yearof the church. So I had all
these pictures then Kaylee,right? Kaylee was super active,
right? Wanted to do everything,so I have her doing all these
different things and all this.
And so I started showing thekids these pictures, and I
realized, like, looking atwisdom from like, 40s is really
this kind of setting up offamilies, right? It's and it's
not everyone is setting up afamily, but you're setting into
relationship. You're starting tobe ingrained in a path, not

(09:27):
starting a path or ending apath. You're kind of in the
middle of it. And even if you'relike 50s, you're kind of peaking
in a path, right, like you'veset yourself. So that means you
got kids in school. Could beelementary, junior high, middle
school, high school, somecollege, right that are sitting
in there. You got your career,which is climbing right, and so
you're settled in your career.

(09:48):
You're getting it. You'resettled in a home environment.
So you have all these momentswhere you're kind of settled.
And it was nice to go back andlook at where this began before
that time frame, because rightnow, in your 40s and 50s, wisdom
goes to your calendar. Calendar,like the calendar controls your
schedule, right? And it's it'sso important to look at what is
the priority on your calendar.
So the first thing I did is Ibrought up pictures on Sunday

(10:09):
pictures. I brought up like, 15pictures from early on church
days, first youth mission trip,right? And on that mission trip,
I showed that like, Bailey nowplays in our band, and she's
married and she's about to havea child. And Molly was our kid
city coordinator for the lasttwo years, and she was on the
first mission trip. Cheyenne isjust about to have a baby, and I
did officiated her wedding twoyears ago. You know, like, so
like, all these youth who arejust 13 Kaylee's age, right when

(10:31):
we first started the church, arenow married and having children
and everything else, whichscares me for Kaylee, because
that means, like, at some point,I also was with these kids at
that age, and now they're havefamilies and everything else. So
so it was really neat to goback. So I went back to, you
know, early mission trips, earlypopcorn theologies, early church
days and first worships anddifferent things like that. And

(10:52):
then I, you know, really wentback to my own childhood and the
pictures I had for my child inthose special moments that are
etched into your mind. And Itold people on Sunday. I said,
if you look at the days rightand go back into your pictures,
those are the memories thatcaused you to pause and want to
capture for a lifetime. Youwanted to capture this for a

(11:12):
lifetime that helps to you tounderstand priority. And I said,
go back and look at all thedifferent pictures and tell me
if it's at work. Tell me if it'sthe days you spent late, you
know, sitting at work and you'recapturing the project that you
finished and you took a pictureof your report that you turned
into your boss and did all like,tell me if any of those pictures
exist in your book, and if theydon't, what does exist there and

(11:33):
its relationship, itsrelationship to friends and to
family and to trips and todifferent things like that that
were really prime. So just as anopening question, like, what are
some of the pictures that cometo your mind from your
childhood? Like, if you go backin, like, what's a picture
that's etched in your mind whenyou were a child? Like, what is
that picture like? I want, Iwant you to paint that picture

(11:54):
for people that you're lookingat a photograph. This is what I
see. And this is

extra time to think about that, because, yeah, I
don't know, and it's the 70s,so, like there was color, kind
of, yeah,

like, real color, no, no. This is, I mean,
your Polaroid days back then,right? Like you're just sitting
in, like, the paper peel off,correct? You still had to take
your film in do that kind ofstuff,

yeah? So the color was, like, it was color,
technically, but different,yeah, uh huh, yeah. So I don't
know it's I think about that. My

early on pictures are from the 80s,
right? So I have a couple ofthose from the 80s, right? And
going through. And then my momrandomly invited over for dinner
the other night and brought ababy book, like, she just
brought a baby album. And so,like, she's sitting down for
dinner, and she's plopped itdown. And I was like, we kind of
looked each other, like, is thata photo album? She's like, Yeah.
And she opened up, she goes,just use a baby. And I was like,
Oh, cool. And we flipped throughthe whole thing, right? It was

(12:51):
great. And so showed the kidsand everything else. What about
you, Roseanne, what are somepictures that you remember from
childhood?

Well, there's one in particular. I have two
sisters, so we took turns takingpictures one Christmas. So I
took a picture of my mom and mydad and my two sisters, and then
my older sister took a pictureof me and my younger sister and
parents, and that that hasreally stuck with me. And of

(13:19):
course, it's not on my phone.
Oh, yeah. But, you know, we lookat that picture, and I don't
remember exactly how old I was,probably 1415, somewhere along
in there, my older sister wasprobably 18 or so. We didn't
realize how precious that timewith our dad was right. So we

(13:40):
look back at that picture, andit was at Christmas, you know,
happy times and and Christmas,Fourth of July, we always got
together with the extendedfamily all the summer holidays,
whatever they were, extendedfamily, but Christmas and

(14:01):
Thanksgiving was really just thefive of us. Yeah, it was just
our, our little nuclear family,and so precious.

Oh, absolutely. Why do you say so?
Can you tell me why you sayprecious with your dad? Like,
what? Why do you use thatlanguage?

Because he died five years later. So I

was young, yeah? So that unexpected, yeah?

And he had chronic illness, so, but we
didn't realize then that hewasn't going to grow

old, correct?
Yeah, it was so interesting.
You've highlighted a fear thatI've had recently, and I don't
know where it's coming from. Ithink it's because I'm having
older kids, but I've been kindof processing it lately. So I'll
be out in my run like thismorning, around 10 miles, right
for a good two miles of my run.
And I think it usually happenswhen my body reacts weird to
something on the run, right? SoI saw Caitlin Parnell, I was

(14:53):
running, and I ran to her car.
She honked at me, and so I ranto the car and high five the
kids in the car, and then I kepton running. And I. Think when I
was running up to the car, thesun that was rising had hit the
car and went back directly intomy eyes, because I turned away
from the car and startedrunning, but I had that like,
blinding, like, light spot in myeyes, and then I was like, Oh my

(15:14):
gosh, and I realized I wasfacing away from the sun. So I
was like, There's somethingwrong with my brain. So mind
you, on my run, I have time tothink. I didn't have any music
in today. It was just 10 milesof just me and God, right? And
that was intentional. And I'mlooking at the sunspot that's
just in my vision. Like, it'sstraight in my vision, you can't
look away, right? Because itjust goes wherever you look. And
I just got this bright sunbutton. And I'm like, Oh my

(15:35):
gosh. Like, well, this issomething in my brain, you know?
Like, what if? Like, it's justnow it's revealing itself,
right? And I'm like, and so I'mtelling myself this is not true.
Like, of course, you just sawlike, a reflection somewhere,
and it caught you, right? Butthen I started thinking, like,
wow, what is like? Well, howmuch time do I have left? You
know? I think this is very muchso because, like, kids are like,
Tom, you're ahead of me, likeyour kids are going to call. And

(15:56):
I'm just, I'm just learningright now from Tom, like his
kids are off emptiness. I'mlooking at our kids like we're
planning, you know, anddifferent things like that. So
like that. And I'm like, Howmuch time do I have left? Like,
last night, I was going for arun and and I went out, hit the
trails, dropped Kelly at somecross country thing, 730 at
night. I'm gonna hit the trailsfor an hour, right? And just
kind of go run into the dark,right? And I got, like, five

(16:18):
minutes into my run, and Icalled Landon, and I was like,
you want to throw around theball? And he's like, Yeah, I do.
I was like, sweet. And I justturned around and went home. And
I was like, and so I don't knowsomething's in me right now,
that time is precious, and Ican't, like, be away, you know,
like, I can only be away whenthe kids aren't available. So I
don't know what that is, butyeah, I've been having that,

(16:40):
yeah, that very unique time isprecious feeling that you're
saying right there. And so,yeah, so it's very interesting.
So I'm glad you shared that,though. I'm really glad you
shared that. So that's reallygreat. And then you were telling
us before though about some GirlScout pictures. Oh, yeah.

So from my childhood, I just have the
pictures of that someone tookand gave this of Girl Scouts and
just that camaraderie and thatrelationship, and how formative
it was for me to just looking atthose pictures and going, Wow.

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You know we were, we were agroup, so

it was just fun. I love it. I love it. Tom,
do you remember any picturesfrom your childhood?

Man, I started thinking going through like the
Rolodex in my head.

That's an old

decision. Can you explain that young assistant
podcast? It's yeah, and he didthe motion in his head. He
rolled back his head,

yeah, like, yeah, yeah. But, man, I remember,
like, a lot of, like, fishingpictures with Dad and I my
granddad and and a lot of themwere because pictures, you know,
then we're not like now, we canjust take a picture with your
phone and delete it if you don'twant it. It costs you nothing,
yeah, correct, you know. Butthen it was kind of expensive.

(18:11):
You had to, you know, you takepictures on a camera that you
can't see, so you don't no ideahow to turn out. Yeah,

remember getting those roles where
they're all blurry? Yeah,they're all messed up, you know,

the person the photo lab accidentally exposes
and ruins all of them? Yeah,that's a bummer, because that's
happened before. But like, soyou don't, so you get, you don't
know how it's going to turn out,but like, they were all pictures
of holidays, like Eastermorning, Christmas,
Thanksgiving, occasionally,birthday parties, either with my
mom's parents, or my dad'sparents, or, you know, Dad and I

(18:43):
the granddad fishing. A lot ofpictures of me and my granddad
holding a fish, or deer huntingwith a deer, Skinner, deer, you
know, stuff like that. Sothey're all like, they're more,
you know, more importantmoments, whereas now we get the
more candid shots of justeveryday stuff all the time.
Yeah, because we we have a phonenow with a camera on it, and
back then you had to go get thecamera, and then you had to roll

(19:04):
the film up, and then hold thebutton down and charge the
flash, yeah. And then fly, youknow, change the flash cube,
maybe, and depending on whatcamera you had, and so it had to
be a lot more deliberate then,yeah. So now we, like my kids,
there, we have so many morepictures of our kids than there
are us. Yep, because it's soaccessible and easy and easy to
do. So mostly they're at theirevents, like with a big fish or

(19:27):
a big deer or a holiday. It'scool at church, it's always a
picture of the church afterservice, you know, at a holiday,
Easter, Christmas,

or just milestones for your family,
milestones? Yeah, absolutely.

I showed Kaylee a picture of me in high
school when I was at beach campwith church, right? And it was a
good summer for me, like, I wason point. So I was like, Kaylee,
here's High School dad. She'slike, that's you. I was like,
yeah, that's your dad. I waslike, in high school, and I was
on beach. I was standing like,Superman, you know, like, type
of deal. And I was like, I wasreally proud of myself. That was
summer. There were summers I didnot have beach worthy anything,

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but that summer was beachworthy. And I was like, I.
Remember that summer I

was like, oh, everybody's shirt off. Everybody
is beach worthy.

This is very God. That's very true. I had my
own self body image issues whenI was a high schooler and so,
but that summer was a goodsummer for me. That was great.
Okay, so now let's, let'stransfer this. So I opened the
message like this the same waywe just did is I wanted to grab
people in kind of this nostalgiaof their life. And the reason I
did that is because what you'regoing to remember as we read

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Scripture is that these were themoments that were prioritized in
your life. These were themoments that should have ruled
our calendar for all of ourlife. But yet, other things take
us over, right? Other thingscontrol our life, and those
things are of the world. And I'mtrying to make a distinction
between the things in our lifethat we think are important, and

(20:49):
we use great excuses. I'msustaining the family. I need to
be, you know, the provider. Ineed to make sure that I have
purpose in life, right? I needto, I need to make sure that I'm
giving back to the world, right?
All, all these are greatexcuses, and I'm just going to
name them for what they are.
They're excuses, because whenyou get to what God is calling
us into and I shared this rightat the start of the message, I

(21:10):
said God is calling us intorelationship. I said God's
relationship to us as JesusChrist, that was meant to be
relationship, relationship withus. With Jesus Christ was meant
to be given to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit sustains ourrelationship until we go back to
relationship in the kingdom ofheaven, you know, like it's
always been about relationship,and yet we move to earthly and
worldly wealth, right, as anattraction in our life, right?

(21:32):
That takes over our schedule,status and prestige. It really
is. It really is. So we're gonnaopen up scripture and hear about
that a little bit so that we cankind of walk into that as a
staff too. So we're gonna be inPsalm 23 to start, and then
we're gonna read also inProverbs 20 sorry, you know
what? So I've been writing,sorry, this is a side note that
you got me. I've been writingPsalms on my on my notes for my
message, when I outline it,we're in Proverbs. But every

(21:56):
time I talk about I write, maybeGod's

trying to tell you something, maybe, oh, something.
Oh, it traditionally, like inthe church, Psalms are a big
deal. Like in the traditionalhymnals, there's a section like,
they don't have the Bible in thehymnal, but they have the Psalms
in there, you know. And everySunday in a traditional liturgy,
a psalm is read every time. Andyou know, you're going to get a
different New Testament, readinga different different gospel and

(22:21):
a different Old Testament, butthere's always a psalm. Yeah,
correct. And my great, great,great aunt, I've got it. They
used to, people used to have aseparate book, just their
Psalter. They're a group, just abook of the Psalms. And it's,
there's a lot of, a lot of neatstuff in there that that we kind
of gloss over these days,

I was on a plane. You keep me on the story
here. So go with me for asecond. I was on a plane, and a
lady's next to me, and she'strying to sit down next to me,
and she's got her bag, right?
And she goes, lift her bag, andI can see this is just, it's
gonna be a struggle, right? Andso I stood up, and I said, let
me grab that for you. Great.
Grab the bag, throw it up top,right? She goes, Oh, thank you
so much. And I said, Yeah, noworries. I said, No, she at all.

(23:00):
Right. So we sit down, talk alittle bit, right? We get on the
flight and everything else likethat. And then flights couple
hours, right? We get done, and Igrab her bag for put it down on
the ground, right? And she goesthinking, and I'm wearing my
neighborhood church hat, right?
And so she's sitting there, andshe goes, Oh, she was, You're so
kind. And I said, Great. And shegoes, she goes, do you know
about Jesus? What's like? I waslike, I was like, yeah. I was

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like, yeah, it is. She goes, ohmy gosh, I love Jesus. That's
like, that's really whatever.
She goes, No, like, change mylife. Love Jesus. And she's
like, and she goes, I'm aChristian, and she goes, and I
used to be Catholic, and shegoes, but I'm still kind of
Catholic, but I'm Christian, andshe goes, but now I also go to,
like, a non denomination, butit's okay, because it's all
Jesus. I was like, Okay. Andshe's like, she's like, Yeah.

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And she goes, I just, I justlove Jesus. And I was like, I
wish more people had your energyfor Jesus. I'm like, this is
really delightful to hear,right? And so she reaches into
her bag and she hands me aBible, and she goes, here's a
Bible. And I don't know, it'slike, there's probably other
people that need this. That'slike, I have a couple. That's
like, you know, but I didn'twant to, like, she was so

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excited for passionate for theLord, right? And so she hands me
the Bible, and I look down, andit's the Nuevo Testamento,
right, which is the NewTestament in Spanish, right? So
this is what keep me off like,and it's only the New Testament.
It's not Psalms, it's not, youknow, anything like that. It's
not the Old Testament. It's justthe New Testament. This new have
a testament, though, but I'vealways wanted a Bible in
Spanish, and I have Bibles inSpanish, but I've always been

(24:29):
intrigued by Bibles in Spanishbecause I want to learn Spanish
by reading the Bible. It's beenkind of one of my like, just
background goals, like, I wouldjust love to go through a Bible
in Spanish and read all inSpanish and start to learn the
language that way. We talkedabout that with Kim. I know,
yeah. Like, I love it, right?
We're the guitar. Go, yeah. So,so I want to do this. And so I'm
like, oh, it's really nice. SoI'm thumbing through it. I was
like, Oh, this is cool. Like,this is a God moment for me.
Like, I love this. You know,God's saying something here.

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Then she starts handing outthese Jesus cards to everyone in
the seats around her, right? Youknow, like, like, bold, like,
this is awesome, right? And so Iturned around. Said, you know, I
just really want to thank youfor giving me a Spanish Bible. I
said, you know, I really want,you know, I've actually wanted
to read a Spanish Bible. And shegoes, what? And I said, What?
And she goes, what'd you say?

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And I said, Thank thank you forgiving me a Spanish Bible. And
she goes, why'd you say that?
And I was like, because you gaveme a Spanish Bible, it's like
you gave me the NuevoTestamento, right? And
admittedly, she was Spanish, soI thought it was the thing,
right? And she looks me, shegoes, No, I didn't. And I was

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like, I don't know how to goforward with this conversation.
I was like, Yes, you did lookit's a Spanish Bible. She goes,
Oh, it's a Spanish Bible. And Iwas, yeah, you gave it. I was
like, what is happening? I waslike, I don't know what's
happening. And she was, Oh, Ijust grabbed a whole bunch from
our church and didn't even lookat him, and threw him in my bag.

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And I was like, Okay. And I waslike, Well, God, God, you hand
the Bible to the right person.

Walks away thinking I just handed

Oh, man, that was good. So Alright, so let's
open scripture. So we're beingPsalm Proverbs, 23 man, you know
what it is, you know what it is.
I'm gonna tell you what is. Ourlast series was in Psalms. Well,
I've been in Psalms and Proverbsin this like wisdom narrative
for the last eight weeks. And soI moved from Psalms, but I can't
get out of it. It's

get out of it. But now, when you get done, you
gotta go read the you know,yeah, though

I walk through the valley. So Proverbs, Chapter
23, verses four and five iswhere we're gonna start, and
I'll read this section. Andthen, as we scoot to Isaiah,
scoot, scoot in the Bible. As wescoot to Isaiah 40, both of you
can share those scriptures whenwe get there. So this is
Proverbs, Chapter 23, versesfour and five, do not wear
yourself out to get rich. Do nottrust your own cleverness. Ooh,

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I like that. That's the NIVcast. But a glance at riches and
they are gone, for they willsurely sprout wings and fly off
to the sky like an eagle. Nowthat's the NIV. And I'm gonna
take a second and I want to readyou the NRSV, which I shared
with the church on Sunday, justto hear a little bit different
version there. So here it is, Donot wear yourself out to get
rich. Be wise enough to desist,right? So don't be clever

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enough. It says, Be wise enoughto desist. And then it goes from
there and says, when your eyeslight upon it, it is gone, for
suddenly it takes wings toitself, flying like an eagle
toward heaven, which is reallyinteresting. The riches fly
toward heaven. And so this issaw Proverbs, 23 and so the wear
yourself out to get riches iswhere we started the message.
And I talked to people aboutthis wearing yourself out.

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Because what I wanted to see is,how many people are worn out?
It's a big question. No, it's2025, everybody, everyone's
well, and here's, here's thething, everyone's worn out like
everyone is tired, right?
They're weary. Their souls aretired. And so I wanted to break
down what the scripture sayingit means, don't wear yourself
out. Now there's a very bigdistinction right away, do not
wear yourself out to get rich. Ithink that's really important,

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because it doesn't say Don'twear yourself out for the
Kingdom. It doesn't say Don'twear yourself out in serving
others. It says Don't wearyourself out to get rich. And
for some reason, for me, thatthere was a permission giving
that it's still okay to wearyourself out. But I wanted to
break that down in my own heart,because that's how I'm
generated, and I know that. Andso I wrote an excuse or a joke
excuse, I don't know. So what Idid is I broke down this word,

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Don't wear yourself out. Andit's whole human fatigue in the
Hebrew language. And what itmeans is it's a daily grind,
kind of that daily wearingyourself out all the way to the
depletion of the soul like soimagine that scope of what it
means to wear yourself out. Andso what I told people is that
this is not a physical wearingyourself out, like you went out

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and you mowed all day and it washot outside and you're
physically worn out. It's not arelationally worn out, which
means that you've been in anintense relationship, and it's
kind of taken all of your energyto be present in this
relationship. That's not it isnot a socially worn out, where
you're out in public and you'rein the midst of a lot of people,
and you've had to be on for along time, and so you're
socially worn out. It's not amentally worn out, where you've
had to study a lot and you'vehad to do these things, right?

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It's whole of human fatigue,which means it's all of that,
and spiritually worn out, right?
Do not wear yourself out to getrich. Be wise enough to desist.
And so, like, open questionhere, how are you two doing?
Like, are you worn out? Like,where are you two at? Right?

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Just in like, how you're feelingright now with life, things
going on, all the kind of thingsthat are happening.

I don't feel like I'm at the point of worn
out yet, but it's like I'm onthe edge, like one more thing,
you know, waiting for that shoeto drop. It's

danger. Close.
Yeah, danger. How, when, whatareas of your life would you say
that the one more thing couldhappen? I mean, is it work? Is
it church? Is it? Is it family?
Is it, you know, things you haveto do, and errands and,

well, I think it's all of it. Yeah, it's, it's
little things that add up, youknow, I don't, own my either
sister's situation, but they'restill a part of me. I'm a part

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of them. So that is that kind ofwears me out. And then, you
know, there are little thingsthat happen at work that wear me
out, but it's not like but Itake time to pray. Yeah, that's
great. I'm so as a protectionover being worn out. Yeah, and

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I'm protective of that. I'm notthe best or great at taking that
time. But for example, I didn'tsleep well last night, so I
prayed, yeah, you know, I don'tI don't know what you need me to
pray for God, but I'm praying,yeah, take care of whoever it is

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that you know is on your heartthat woke me up.

So when I also see you as a person who fills
that that weariness withuplifting realities, right?
Like, you're a huge part of theprayer team and the women's
group, right? But I see when yougo into there, there's joy that
fills yourself, yeah? And Imean, every time you're there,
because it's as a pastor, Iwatch, and, you know, I want to
make sure that, like, as you'revolunteering in areas and
working to the church, right?
That's, that's a whole reality,right? Because we're at the

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church and, like, Okay, I'mcoming back tonight for a
meeting, you know, like, great.
That has to fill you, because ifit's a draw and, like, that's
really tough, right? Yeah, and Ilook at you when you show up to
those things, and you're justjoy filled and smiling and
laughing. And I'm like, Oh, thisis a cup filler for her, you
know, like, volunteerappreciation. Oh my gosh. So
good, so good. Fantastic, sogood.

So, yeah, that filled my cup, and so I can keep
going.

That's great.
That's great. What about you,Tom I

think it like at the beginning of the day, it's
not too bad, yeah, but there'salways, I always, every day,
there's stuff that I want to dothat I know. There's no way I
have to do all that, isn't it?
Stress, you know, every day. SoI wake I'm like, oh, oh yeah,
nope. You know, throughout theday, yeah, yeah. And it just
depends on how it goes. Like,I've had those moments where,
like, I walked into the officethird day and it was raining,
because they are something thathappened. And that was that

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moment of that, oh, okay, Idon't have time for this. Yeah.
That's that. What's interestingis that that word, and he really
talked about the root, the rootword of that comes from where it
means to, gasp, yeah, just that,that total, like, I've got
nothing for this, yeah, youknow. So it varies, but I think
that's part of the reason wehave an intentional time to do

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things, to kind of drain thatbucket, yeah, so that doesn't
overflow, yeah, you know. So youcan, you can kind of keep, you
know, stay ahead of it andknowing boundaries. Because I
know, like me now at at 49 Ihave a different capacity in
that than I did was in 20 yearsand 30 Yeah, absolutely. Young
family and needed to, you know,to do things. And now we're

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empty nesters. And so now mypriorities have shifted, yeah,
and so, which means my boundarylines for those things have have
shifted, yeah? So sometimes itmakes it easier, because I'm
like, yeah, no, I'm not gonna,yeah, no, I'm not gonna do that.
So it keeps me from getting tothat edge. So it very goes day
by day. Yeah, right. Like, rightnow, like, I feel pretty good,
yeah, two hours from now, itdepends on

what happens.
It does. There's stuff that Ican have happen in a day where I
start the day and I'm like, I'mgonna get so much accomplished,
and then it sideswipes me in agood way, though, like, Monday,
I got side swiped, but I got alot of great things and
different conversations and thatI felt really good about. Got
nothing accomplished that was onmy list of like, weekly to do's.
And so I had this moment of,like, today was a great day. So,
you know, like, I don't that's

when you go back to your like, weekly list, yeah,
all the stuff you got done, youadd it to it so you can mark it
off. Yeah.

Oh, I've done that so many times, and I'm
like, hold on, a second. Didn'texpect this, but I'm putting on
a list just so I can cross itoff second I feel better
accomplished. We're in it rightnow. And

I think that's the thing of just having an idea of,
like, prioritization, yeah, youknow, of knowing, like, what's
the most important thing rightnow, and then, you know, going
with that thing one at a time,when

I think that's the part of it too, is that it's
not a wear yourself out to getrich, really, in the church,
right? But that identity of theadministrative task we want to
accomplish to move us forward asa church in an organization, I
think, sit on that list of like,hey, these things need to be
accomplished in order,organizationally, to move

forward, right?
Yeah, and there's a Thedifficult thing that I realized
for pastors is there's adifference between, you know,
God's intention for the churchand our intention, yeah, and
where the Spirit can push us towhere they overlap is great,
yeah? Like, there's the seminaryI talk about, like the the
missio, de e, like the missionof God's mission on earth, that
that we're not responsible for.

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And then the, you know, themission of the church, yeah. And
within humanity, like, we getour ideas. What we want to do.
And we're pushing real hard overhere and then, but God is trying
to constantly tug us to thisother direction a little bit. So
I put all this energy, energy topoint in this direction we wind.
We're gonna wind up over there.
Yeah, you're gonna get thereeventually, whereas if we just
point the compass, yeah, man, ittakes so much less. So yeah,

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that's the hard part of verymuch. So what our what we think
is a good idea, what we'retrying to do and achieve in the
church, not always knowingexactly what God's plan is,
yeah, and we just do the best wecan, you know, because it's,
it's ultimately not up

to us, yeah, and I think that's the
relationships. Why relationshipsare so important, is because if
you break it all downadministratively, that task can
exist next week, right? Like,that's okay, right? But if
someone needs that relationshipand that sit down and that
coffee and needs that moment,right, that's the intention of a
church that seeks to understandpeople one on one and be in the
midst of their lives.

And that ultimately, is what the church
is, you know, then the Englishlanguage doesn't do justice to
church. No, I agree. I've got aGerman English parallel Bible
that, like I did my morningreading out of this morning. And
there are certain areas I thinkthe German does it a little
better, like in though theLuther Luthers translation, when
the Greek says ecclesia, whichwe translate as church, yeah,

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Luther translated it as geminde,which is like a gathering of
people, which is closest to likeour congregation. But in an
English Bible, you hardly eversee, like you don't see where
Jesus, where Jesus said, on thisrock, you know, Peter, you are,
you are rocking on this rock, Iwill build my church. It I'd be
better say, on this rock I willbuild my congregation. Yeah,

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correct, because Luther saysthat you'll build my mind.
Because for us, the church isboth the people and the
building, whereas in German,there's the Kirk, the the
building, which is where we getthe English word church, yep,
but it's both. And so peopleautomatically start thinking of
the building. They startthinking like a business and its
own entity. Yeah, where it's theit's the gathered body, it's the

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gathered Body of Christ, the thecongregation of the people is
the the point is the what thechurch actually is the building
we're in and the branding, andalso it's just a tool, yeah, for
that gathering of people that'srooted in relationship with each
other, to assist and lift eachother up and assist each other
and nourish each other in faith,and to to pursue the mission of

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Christ on earth. And that is theis the church. But we can get
off. We can get off base on thatreally easy if we're not
careful, if we lose sight of thepeople. The most important tool
that the church has for pursuingthe church's purpose is the
people that make up the actualchurch.

Yep. So I mean, this is the important part
about when it says, Do not wearyourself out, right? It does not
want us to deplete our soul toget rich. But I also think there
is some permission giving inthere that we know the work of
the Lord is not an easy work,right? This is not a work where
we're comfortable or it feelssustaining sometimes, right?
It's a hard work. And so what Itold the people in the church on

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Sunday is like, there ispermission in here too to work
hard for what God has called youto but you have to make that
distinction between working hardfor what is in the world and
working hard towards God andunderstanding that working hard,
it does not affect oursalvation, right and and in the
midst of working hard, God alsohonors rest and honors Sabbath
and honor like so there's animportant reality of that when

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you understand the work of theLord, It's equally understanding
Sabbath and rest, in addition toworking for the Lord and
understanding that God placesmany people in the kingdom to do
the work of God, right? And it'snot just on one person. And so I
kind of took this wings like aneagle and said, Hey, this is
fleeting. If you're if you'regoing after riches, it's
fleeting. You look at it andit's gone. And that's true.
Like, you'll go through seasonyour life when you feel on top

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of the world, and you go throughseason life, we're like, why am
I paycheck to paycheck? Like, Idon't understand how I can get
to this space, right? And itjust kind of wafts. And so with
that, I kind of took this wingslike an eagle and moved into
Isaiah. And Isaiah was thatother text that we're more
familiar with, right? Mount ofwings like an Eagles, right? So
if you guys want to take amoment to read Isaiah, 4028
through 31 that'd be great.

All right, Have you not known? Have you not
heard? The Lord is theeverlasting God, the Creator of
the ends of the earth. He doesnot faint or grow weary. His
understanding is unsearchable.
He gives power to the faint andstrengthens the powerless.

Even youths will faint and be weary, and the
young will fall exhausted. Butthose who wait for the Lord
shall renew their strength. Theyshall mount up with wings like
eagles. They shall run and notbe weary. They shall walk and
not faint.

So I loved this because one it talks
everything that we're talkingabout, right, grow weary, right,
even useful, faint and growweary, right? But it talked
about the Lord being the search,unsearchable, right,
understanding right is somethingthat's even to the Lord. There
is no weariness and there is nofaintness. Right with Lord that

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we will knew their strength, andI was preaching. On Sunday, and
I shared this moment of talkingabout renew their strength like
the Lord will renew yourstrength. And I was making this
distinction that, you know, Godwill never grow tired of the
work in the kingdom, right? Andmoving people towards that work,
and in that that we have to putour trust in God, and God will

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renew our strength for thekingdom in a really, really
intense way. And with that, Ifelt that word on Sunday of
renewing the strength, right? Soin a question to you both, like,
what? What renews your strength?
So we talked about this, justlike, you know, a second ago,
Roseanne, when we were talkingabout, like, hey, when you jump
into like, a women's group,like, I see that, like, if
there's a renewal there, butwhat is it in your daily life,
when you get tired, that renewsyour strength as an individual,

(40:42):
whereas the spaces or the whoare the people that renew your
strength, that you know you cango to and be like, whoo, like,
this is just renewal. Like, I'mjust getting refreshed right now
to go back into the world. Whoare those people, or what are
those spaces in your life?

Spaces for me would be nature. My back porch,
watching the hummingbirds.

Nice. You watch hummingbirds too. So do
we? Yes, how many birds are we?
Do you have a hummingbirdfeeder? Oh, lots. You have lots.
Yeah, okay, great. I think four.
You have four. We have one, andthey fight. We have one. Really
Mean hummingbird they're very

territorial.
They're very territorial theyare, and they'll chase each
other off.

I hold up my finger the other day, like
little like, like a hummingbird,like, like nest, to see if
they'd land on it. It didn'twork. No, it didn't work. That's

why, when you put multiple feeders out, you have
to have space them as far as theway as possible. Interesting.
Yeah, space them out. Okay.
Well, welcome to old age, you'renow official.

I even got one of those. How many? Like the
feeders with the cameras so Ican see the birds.

So when you do your your food on the inside, you use
this stuff that's got foodcoloring in

it. No, our hummingbird feeder is red, so we
just put sugar water in. Okay,yeah. So for people,

my friend, Carolyn. Okay. I mean, I can
text her and say, I need someCarolyn time, and we just, we
usually go walking somewhere,and it just renews me being with
her, and she's going through aseason of life that's kind of
hard right now, but being withmy daughter and my

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grandchildren, like, this pastSaturday, they did a pool party,
and just, I was around all myfavorite people, and it was
just, it's renewing, and I gottaswim and

you gotta swim like, let's go, right? It's
perfect in that great weather.
What about you Tom, who are thepeople or the spaces in your
life that give you renewal?

I think it depends on what kind of renewal I need.
Like, there are times that Imight need to go to go to the
gym, or sometimes I just need toget out in nature a little bit
and get out in the trees or orespecially if I'm outside at
night. I used to love to do itat my house, where I just walk
out in the front yard, just lookup at the stars. Yeah, I can't
do that anymore. Thank you verymuch. Top Golf, because there's

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so much light pollution where

you called it on top golf,

between the top golf and the amp, yeah, oh yeah.
Top Golf is like, maybe a mileaway from Yeah, or less Yeah.
You know, half a miles of crowflies. And so those lights are
on all night. And so I'll walkout, you know, midnight, you
look up at the stars and yeah,most of the time, like, losing
hardly anything now, whereas Ican go out to the farm where I
grew up, and it's just sobright, so so early, yeah? And

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sometimes it's just getting togo hang out with Amy, yeah, it's
great, you know, just somethingthat, you know, I think it's the
and it's, it's whatever it isthat's making you feel, you
know, to get that point of gaswith gasping, of just like, Oh,
I'm so done with this. Yeah,whatever is polar opposite from
that, and that's the point ofthe Sabbath, right? Is a change.
Like, for you, Joe, act isactive rest, yeah, which doesn't
translate for some people, likethat doesn't sound very restful,

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but for you, you know, it is. Soit's it, because it's whatever
it is, it's making you feelfatigued and worn out. And
whatever is 180 degrees fromthat, yeah, is where you get
rest from that. Yeah, you know.
And so if it's being away fromfamily too long going to family,
if it's being too busy in thecity and stuff, just run, run,
run, run, run, it's going wherethere there's no there's no
running, there's no business.

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And so I'm able to find it inmultiple places. That's great. A
lot of times it's just beingable to sit and read and this
phone not go off, yeah, oh,absolutely. So it just kind of
depends on what's going on.

Yeah, I went running without my phone today,
like, I forgot

my you're not an age where that's

kind of dangerous. I went running and I
forgot my vest and I didn't havemy rough belt. And I was like,
well, guess I'm just goingrunning today. I was like, let's
go. And it was delightful. Itwas great. And but, you know, I
had the same thing the othernight. There was that meteor
shower that came through, and soI'd gone running late at night,
and got back around 1130 and Ipulled the cushions off of our
outdoor patio set and laid themin the back of the truck, and

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then I climbed into the bed ofthe truck, and I just laid down
on those cushions and and it wasdelightful, and it was, it was
cool outside, and I. Stared up.
I'm far I'm outside of town, soI had very little light
pollution, and I just stared upat the scars and stars and
watched this kind of meteorshower in this beautiful way.
And it was delightful. I alsofind rest with Jess like, you

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know, there'll be times to comehome. I'm like, hey, just five
minutes. Five minutes come laydown with me, like, and just lay
next to me, right? And that,that five minutes will fill my
soul for a week, like just, Ijust need intentional. Nothing
else in the world matters, justus to just be here, be present
right now. I fight that with thedishes, though, are also very

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important to her, and likeanything else that needs to be
cleaned, if the kids have aschedule and need to get
somewhere, like those are thethings that she'll be like, I
gotta clean something. I waslike, no, no, just come here for
five minutes. So

yeah, a couple of years, you'll miss that
opportunity. I know, I know. Solook looking at the reading here
that we read, yeah, like 28through 31 is a response to the
question in 27 of you know, whydo you say oh Jacob, and speak
oh Israel, my way is hidden fromthe Lord and my right is
disregarded by him, or my justclaim is passed over by him. And
so it's kind of like a talkingabout, like a spiritual fatigue,

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yeah, you know, like a feelingof abandonment from God, a
disconnect, you know, from fromGod, and then the answer that
you'll be rejuvenated in God.
And so I think that a lot ofpeople like, if you're real,
like, got to a point a day whereyou realize that you're
exhausted, but you didn't knowhow exhausted you were, yeah,
busy where you were, and you'relike, oh, okay, yeah, I'm
really, really wore out. Like,you don't realize for two weeks

(46:30):
that you have an allergy issue,yeah, until you slow down enough
to realize that, I thinksociety, we run so much with
everything going around us intown, we don't realize there's a
spiritual fatigue that we're notrejuvenating and refilling.

I think, in our day and age now, things run so
fast that we're challenged towait on the Lord for guidance
and protection and just thatrenewal of the Spirit. So we

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have to take that time. We haveto plan it Yeah, so that yeah,

not let it get invaded by dozens of self help
books or comments or socialmedia stuff trying to fill the
gap. Just sit in the silence.
Just

yeah, just let God tell you what renewal

is, yeah, yep, yeah. That's, that's where I
concentrate on. The end of themessage is that there was this
part in here where it reallysays, right at the very end,
right? We're talking about youshall not be They shall run and
not be weary. They shall walkand not faint. But when we went
back into it, it was talkingthrough, the Lord shall renew
their strength. But it says, forthose who wait for the Lord

(47:48):
shall renew their strength andand even this week, right, we
had a couple things hitting somereally great ways at the church.
And some things were just comingtogether, but really fast. And I
just paused and said, Hey, Ineed to, I need to take a step
back and wait on the Lord forlike, I can see it all coming
together, but I can't see itcoming there, but I can I know
the Lord is in it, and I knowthe Lord's renewing the
strength. And I was like, I cansee but like, I need to wait for

(48:09):
the Lord, like the Lord needs toput all this together. And I
think that needs to be more truein our life, that when we need
our strength renewed, we need towait on the Lord. We constantly
go out and try to renew our ownstrength. And I think there is a
renewal that comes from the Lordthat is different than anything
we can do on this earth. Andthat is a primary message that
we need to hear, that when wegrow we are a faint, we need to

(48:29):
go, return to the Lord when wewant our strength renewed, even
if we're not weary and faint, weneed to return to the Lord and
wait on the Lord. And I thinkthat strength comes where the
Lord is guiding us, where theLord is saying, Hey, here's your
call and purpose. Move in thisdirection, like you said when we
order. When we orient thatdirection, that's what renews
our strength. When we'reoriented outside of the
direction of the Lord, that'swhat takes our strength. And so

(48:50):
to find that path and thatpurpose with God is essential in
having our strength renewed. Andso yeah, there was wisdom that
came all the way down, right?
And at the end, I told thechurches that the greatest
wisdom I've had from my dad whenhe was in his 40s, giving me
wisdom when I was in my 20s,right? This wisdom I've had to
this day is like, don't confusesuccessful with being faithful.
And that's that do not growweary trying to get rich, right?

(49:13):
And and I think we do thatoften, and I think we just need
to wait on the Lord andfaithfulness versus trying to
become successful in life,because that doesn't prove
anything to anyone, right? Andthat doesn't matter. In the
kingdom I love that it saysit'll mount winds like eagles
and go to heaven like yourriches. Yeah, yeah. Like, it
just goes, it just goes toheaven. It doesn't matter. So

(49:35):
it's like, yeah, it's arelationship. All

that is a temptation when we're young to
get an idea in our head of whatwe think successful looks like,
yeah. And instead of, instead ofchasing what makes us
successful, we start chasingthis image of success. Well, if,
if what I'm doing looks likethis, then, uh, then that's
success. Or I'll look successfulbecause I'm, you know the and
then you look on, later on inlife, about 20 years later, and

(49:58):
you look back and you're like,Oh, that. So messed up. Yeah,
did not work. That was not even,not even close, right? Because
it's about chasing the thingsthat can cause you to be 60.
It's like chasing the causeversus chasing the the sign,
right? It's like, if peoplethink, oh, people that are
successful, they're wearingthese nice clothes, so I'm just
going to get these nice clothesand you're still unemployed,

(50:18):
that make you successful inbusiness, right? It's like you
could be successful like SamWalton and show up in just a
collared shirt, jeans. It's notwhat it looks like. It's what's
under, underneath. And that'sthat spiritual side of our life,
that's that's underneath, thathas to be there for any fruit to
come from it. Yep.

And I think that young people probably don't want
to hear this, but a response to,what do you think I should do?
Should be, pray about it. Yeah.
Did you pray about it?

Yeah, because we get to give them a better answer
of exactly what we think theyought to do and they're going to
do something

else anyway.
Yeah, that's exactly what itworks.

I can remember that. I mean, I'm still young
enough to remember, you know, mydad would give me advice, or my
mom would give me advice, and itwould be like, Yeah, I'll do it
this. I'm gonna do my way, yeah,and I messed up. It's not good.
So

we're gonna take all this wisdom. Last week
is the last week of our series,and we're gonna be talking about
those 50 and older. I'm kind ofgiven the whole range up. I
don't know how to say it moredelicately than that, but we're
gonna get wisdom from the peoplewho've experienced the most
life, and it's gonna come allthe way back down. And so that
way, we can see what is thistime frame when you know you're

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you've spent life serving God,you've spent life in church,
you've spent life kind of inthis faithfulness. What is the
wisdom that you have for all ofus who are still looking at the
next 2030, 4050, years andsaying, How can we move towards
God and all this? So that'sgonna be the last part of the
dear younger me. And this isyour podcast for this Wednesday.
And all God's people said, Amen.
You.

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