October 12, 2025 • 37 mins
In this thought-provoking episode, Renaldo McKenzie and co-host Ricardo McKenzie sit down with Bryce Eddy of Turning Point USA and The Bryce Eddy Show for an open conversation on faith, unity, and the fractured moral landscape of modern America.From the meaning of biblical love to the paradoxes of liberty and inclusion, this dialogue challenges easy answers and exposes deeper divides. Can true love heal a polarized nation — or has faith itself become a new frontier of division?🎙️ Listen on The Neoliberal Round Podcast — where dialogue replaces dogma and conversation sparks change.Op-Ed: “When Love Becomes a Border: Lessons from My Conversation with Bryce Eddy”By Renaldo C. McKenzie | The Neoliberal PostAfter sitting with Bryce Eddy, I realized that love, liberty, and faith — three words that should bind us — can also become battlegrounds.1. Love that Costs vs. Love that ConfinesTrue love is sacrificial, not selective. It builds bridges even when it bleeds. The love of Christ was constructive — it healed lepers and listened to sinners — but the love often preached by the new right is conditional, tied to ideological conformity. Their love welcomes you only if you look, think, or pray the same.2. Jesus the DisruptorBryce spoke of all-inclusivity, but his inclusivity lacked diversity. Jesus did not reinforce religious order — he upended it. His ministry broke barriers between Jew and Gentile, male and female, slave and free. When inclusion becomes uniformity, it ceases to be divine and becomes doctrinal control.3. Liberty RewrittenTheir liberty and individualism are not what the Enlightenment nor the Gospel envisioned. Instead, they reflect an authoritarian individualism — a “freedom” that punishes dissent. Theirs is liberty with a leash: patriotic, pious, and policed. It’s a corruption of both Christian and liberal ideals.4. Ethnocentrism Cloaked as Evangelism Bryce’s worldview risks conflating faith with culture — a form of Orientalism and Occidentalism that paints “the Christian West” as morally superior. Yet, it is no more “our principle to kill” than it is Islam’s or anyone else’s. Violence is not religious — it is human. To assume otherwise is to weaponize culture itself. In the end, I learned that love without diversity becomes ideology, and liberty without empathy becomes tyranny. The work ahead isn’t to silence voices like Bryce’s — it’s to invite them into a broader, braver table where faith is not a fence but a fire — lighting the way for all.
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This is. The new Liberal Around podcast.
Hi, Eddie. Hey, how are you?
I'm doing very well, very well. Let me point the recording.
Welcome to another episode of The Nail Over Around.
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Podcast I'm. Ronaldo McKenzie, your host and
creator. And as promised, I have with us
an amazing gentleman who reachedthat.
His people reached out to me andI was so excited when they did
because there's so much happening in America and there's
so much that that I want to cover with him and go over.
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And I actually have my talking points just now, which I just
lost. Give me a second, please.
America, they say, is a house divided.
But maybe, just maybe, that's the house where the truest
conversation happens. Today we are joined by Eddie
Bryce, speaker, host and believer, whose mission is to
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bring people together using biblical principles.
In a time when even the word principle feel it's partisan.
We want to understand who Eddie Bryce really is, not the
caricature some paint, but the person, the purpose and the
passion. Because if we are to heal as a
nation, we must begin by listening, even when it is
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uncomfortable. And so we're happy to have Eddie
Bryce with us. And we're going to have, we
actually have several segments. The first segment is the man
behind the mic. The second one, bridging and
divided nation. The third, faith, politics, and
perspective. First we want to talk about hope
and humanity. And of course we're going to
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have closing reflections. We may not we may not be able to
do all of that. By the way, Eddie, when I when I
told some of my friends that I'mgoing to even I'm going to have
you on the show, they were saying what?
And I said you, you you're from turning Point.
They were like, what? What you have that redneck guy
coming on the show. Why?
You have somebody like and I'm like, OK, now I know exactly
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where I'm going to begin. OK, who is Eddie?
And and let's start. Yeah, this stage about this.
How are you? Welcome to the show.
And who are you? Thank you.
Thank you. Yeah, well, well, my first
name's Bryce and my last name's Eddie, which messes everybody
up. Oh, what's your name?
Yeah, I mean, I've been My firstname is Bryce, my last name is
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Eddie, which, you know, when youhave two first names, it screws
everybody up. I am so sorry and I wrote it
right now. No and I thought I made a
mistake. Yes.
No, no, no, you, you are good and and I answer either way so
it doesn't matter. So who are you shaped to and
what keeps you grounded in your mission?
Who are you really? Yes.
Yeah, yeah. So, so listen, I mean, I'm, I'm
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like everybody else trying to find my way in life.
And you know, yes, certainly blessed to to live here in
America and grew up in in California largely and then
moved to the Boise, ID area, yes.
And, you know, been a been a lifelong, you know, fan of how
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we organize ourselves, which is really what politics is.
That's simplest definition of how we organize ourselves.
Right. And, and with that, I've been an
entrepreneur and a businessman and I've, you know, spent a lot
of time traveling the country, traveling the world.
And I'm fascinated by people. And you mentioned in the
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beginning of the show you talkedabout a divide here in America.
Yeah, we are not as divided as people think, but there is a
massive attempt to divide us. That's the goal.
And and people ask like, why or what's happening?
We we are in a worldwide conflict.
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America happens to be the strongest country in the world
and bringing us down and dividing us allows our enemies
to take control over everything.And, and when you when you talk
about whoever our enemies are, our enemies are the people that
want to control us. And, and by that, really, if you
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think about what America stood for, America was about the
individual and about liberty. And that does not work well with
people who want to be tyrants and people who want to make
decisions for us. And so for kind of eternity,
there's been this battle betweenthe central planners, the people
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that want to control all authority to themselves and they
think they know better than all of us as individuals.
They want to control us. And and the the truth is, is
that is anti God because God wants us to have the liberty
that that that his idea. It's Mandia and he wants to make
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sure that that that's what we'reable to do.
And the central planners are those that want to oppose that.
Does that make sense? Yes, yes, yes, definitely.
So so you believe so of course, so you believe that we're not
the US is not necessarily America is not divided, but
there are those who are seeking to divide us and you're saying
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that that you. We are, we are built.
The foundation of this country is based on individual.
Is it and liberty? But so.
Tell me how does? How does?
Your organization is. How do you go about it?
What, what do you think can bring about that and what do you
think is happening today in terms of the politics of our
country and what will be able tobring that bridge that or bring
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about that liberty and that individualism?
Yeah, well, so you know Charlie who I mean, I, I still can't
believe and we're still all in shock was assassinated.
Was this the founder of of turning Point say.
And and his vision was to reallyeducate people on that idea of
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liberty. And, and he started educating
the youth and educating young people who were being told that
they were victims, being told that life was unfair, being told
all kinds of nonsense that that again, is intended to ban the
flames of envy and jealousy and make people victims.
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All that because you can controlpeople who who don't have
strength and power. You can control people who don't
believe in sovereignty. You can control nations if you
divide and fracture them. And, and that's what we've seen
happening just categorically around the world.
And again, America was unique inits founding because it was
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founded on that principle of we the people and, and that's
what's been attacked and and fractured for so long.
But when you have conversations like we're having now with
people who you might disagree with, you find most the time
that you're actually closer thanyou think rather than as far
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apart as they're making it seem in the media.
And, and you know, all of the, the kind of ethos that you that
you see in the, in the world, weare not as divided.
But Charlie was an advocate of us having those conversations
and having free speech and beingable to talk about these things.
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And Ricardo? Is just joining us and those of
us what is joining us and we're speaking with Bryce Eddie.
Bryce Eddie is the former president of Turning Point USA
and was also. Yeah, let me, Yeah, let me, let
me correct that. I, I saw one of Charlie's
boards. I was the board president of of
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one of the four organizations. But I just want to make sure
that that's clear. Yeah.
Charlie was the the the leader and founder of the organization
and Charlie was a one of one. There was nobody, nobody like
Charlie before and and I don't think they'll ever be someone
like Charlie after. So what kind of void do you
think he's left within your organization and within how do
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you go? Yeah, that's the first question.
And how? Where do you go from here?
Yeah. So although Charlie was turning
point and turning turning point was Charlie it, it was so much
more than that at the same time.And the the organization is
filled with a group of incredibly hard workers that
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that delivered results. For example, Donald Trump really
outsourced the ground. And truly worked incredibly hard
to get what we call the low propensity voters out to the
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polls. And that made the difference for
Trump in this election. And was this we deployed, you
know, thousands of people aroundthe country in the days to go to
the voters that would vote for Donald Trump is a candidate, but
but maybe would have stayed homeon the couch or not registered
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otherwise. And and Charlie, be sure that
this people got to to vote. And that's what this little
thing was about his who got out there and actually voted you.
Have a question? You know many people.
Have a negative feel of 20 points.
So there are many people who have a negative feel of, of, of,
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of, of turning point and even third itself down.
He said that many unfortunate things were said during the time
of when we needed compassion andsympathy.
But as you, I, I, we talk about the issue of Britain with
bridging and dividing the issue or you say we're not divided.
However one is internally talk about bringing people together
to people called principles, health and justice and so on.
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But how do these principles translate into a pluralistic
society where people are of manyfaiths or no faith at all, and
hopefully achieve them and we get some?
Serious vision at the divining line rather than a bridge.
How do you ensure your message doesn't alienate but invite and
while and what and the second question, why do you what what
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do you think? Why do you think people, some
people have such a a negative oror misunderstand your your
message and the organization? Well, I mean, that's all
intentional, you know, discrediting Turning Point by
misquoting Charlie or mischaracterizing his points on
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things. I mean, I'm sure you've seen a
lot of that. I mean, there is really some
horrible and intentional mischaracterizing of Charlie's
positions on things and and people did that because they are
liars that want to destroy or itwas such a powerful organization
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and will remain a very powerful organization.
But but all of that, I mean, those, those are people that
that are, are truly liars and manipulating people out there
for their own ends because it, it's, it's frightening what has
happened in our culture just in the last few years because of
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Charlie's impact. They are terrified of the fact
that now you're watching high school kids coming up and, and
being more conservative than they ever have been, adhering
more to traditional values. The the left went so far when
they talked about men could get pregnant and all kinds of
absurdities. They they went way too far.
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And so now the young kids have have had that turning point, pun
intended and and started to lookat that nonsense and wholesale
rejected. You asked about a pluralistic
societies, though in in every society, in every country, in
every culture, there will be a religious ideology that reigns
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supreme. You, you really cannot deny
that. And for, you know, hundreds of
years now at this point in America, it was Christianity and
in the West at large it was Christianity.
And, and our founding fathers knew that that was important.
So Christianity and its moral foundation was what allowed
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other religions and it's what allowed a pluralistic society.
You do not have that in any other culture without
Christianity at its base, because Christianity isn't a top
down religion. Hey.
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Yeah, lost signing I'm. Sorry, Bryce.
We've lost Bryce. Are you back?
He made an interesting point in terms.
Of your, your audio is not clear, by the way.
My audio, yeah, it's not clear at all.
All right, I think I'm, I'm, I'mback.
Yeah, OK. That's.
What I'm saying now? All right, Perfect.
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Yeah. So you were talking about so, so
Turning Point, it's me. So one of the thing I because I
did not know much about Turning Point.
I mean, I didn't know much aboutCharlie Kirk.
I learned about his death during.
Can you hear me? You can, right.
I learned about his death. Yeah.
I heard about him in a meeting. I have a meet conference call
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with my team. And that's why I learned.
And then I looked him up to see who he was.
So everything that I know about Charlie Kirk was just recent.
Everything was recent, which is that quite unique considering
that he had so many following and he was so influential.
But I realized that one of The thing is he was a lot, he was
very influential to a lot of younger people within the
college sphere, but also he was really trying to get out.
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The one of the most important thing impactful is getting out
the vote with people who would not necessarily vote, but that I
wasn't sure. Did he also try to get out the
vote for those people who are the probably could be a liberal
or independent view? It's just the idea of getting
out there and voting and making sure that their voices heard
that they all do. Is it?
Is that something that he believed in pushing as well?
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No, I mean, he believed in everybody having a voice.
But no, we certainly weren't pushing for the other side to
get out there and vote. And, and, and partly because
there's a massive disconnect between what are considered the
Democrats of today and the Republicans.
And by the way, I mean, both parties have failed us.
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But I will tell you one thing, and this ruffles a lot of
feathers, the modern Democrat party platform is incongruent
with the Christian faith at every level.
What the Democrats believe it isan it's it is anti Bible, it is
Antichrist. And that that ruffles the
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feathers of traditional Democrats who envisioned what
JFK had and and what the party used to be like.
But they moved the Overton window so far left that just on
on the basis of principle, you cannot be a Democrat.
And, and I challenge my Democratfriends and people who have held
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those views traditionally to go through and think about what
they stand for these days, because it is, it is a pro
death, anti family, anti enterprise, anti liberty belief
system. And, and so of course we aren't
going to be advocating for people who don't even really
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know why they, you know, should vote or even America was found.
We certainly don't want them to be running out and voting now at
the same time. What Charlie advocated is learn
these things and learn why America was founded and learn
why liberty is important, then go out and vote.
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OK, perfect. One thing I heard you tell is
about man getting man getting pregnant.
I've never heard of that before,but it's I'm, I'm not on social
a lot. I, I've been on there a lot
lately because I want to know what's going on there and what's
going on in the world. And, but I, when you said that,
I was like quite interesting because I, if I hear anyone say
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that, I think it, that's just ludicrous and that's ridiculous.
If anyone would say that if that's something that they're
pushing, it's it's. So, so unique.
I just. I want to be the point, and I
don't recall that you are your new voice with the conversation,
but the earlier Brice was speaking about the different
culture. Yes, a religion or a.
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Religious or an ideological or philosophical philosophy that
runs into religious philosophy that runs between and in America
it is Christianity because Christianity was founded gone to
these principles. So you and we had interrupted
and that spot the questions thatyou made, because what I'm
saying to you is that how do these principles translate into
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the society where people of many.
Faiths or no? Faith at all and how do we
reconcile it? How do we reconcile it?
Because some civil religion is not dividing rather than the
bridge. That is why we have the
conversation about abortion and someone and so forth.
That is why we have the conversations about sexuality
and so on and so forth. But so my question is as.
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How? Do you ensure your message?
Does it alienate but invite? Well, I, I mean, some of the
Christian principles and some ofthe, the things that our country
is founded on is going to be alienating.
And, and that's why there are things that are incompatible
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with Western culture. For instance, right now we have
a, a massive rising tide of, of Islam in certain communities
around the world and, and you are having things within that
culture that should not be allowed.
For example, the the mutilation of young girls sexually should
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not be something that is allowedhere in America.
But it is a religious principle in in part of, you know, Islam.
You cannot allow that. And so there are things that as
a Christian culture, meaning a base foundational culture, which
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is where we build our laws, where we get our morality, there
are things that you cannot accept.
Our Founding Fathers did not ever imagine us to have no moral
code. They did not imagine us to have
the moral code that went againstour liberty, went against the
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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They they did not imagine a world that we would just allow
any idea and anything to grow and proliferate.
There has to be standards. We started to abandon those
Christian standards here in America over the last several
decades and, and go in favor of a secular humanism that's still
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a religious ideology. And and with that, you have the
collapse of society. Are you there?
Can you hear me? I lost you.
Sorry I. Was talking to you, Ronaldo.
You're muted, yes. Yes.
Do you have a follow up questionto that because I.
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Would I do have a follow up question because I, I, because
you talk about the, the foundingprinciple of America's OK and
there of course there has alwaysbeen a drive in terms of
separating state and church. How is it that there was a
separation between state and church?
But it seemed as if your organization and yourself once
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is is focused on used, utilizingthe religion as a way back, but
yet still within the politics, within the foundation, there is
some there is a separation of state and church.
How do you? Speak to that.
Yeah. So so that that.
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Muslims will disagree with you that they that their, I mean,
their religion is about the mutualization of girls.
Of course, I mean, I'm in Philadelphia and I do and there
are a lot of Muslims here and I don't think that is something
that they promote. Maybe maybe they're radicalist
Muslims or, or the most what I've said is that people have
taken the most radical aspect ofsomething when they want to push
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back against it. But and then again, I think it
is unfair to say that to have nofaith is to not have my moral
code. There are those who would argue
against that. So how do you speak to to all of
this? Well, well.
First, I would challenge anyone on that.
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And we could spend a, we could spend hours talking about where
we get our moral code and, and, and why it needs to be separate
from our own just personal decisions or collective
decisions, because there have been plenty of cultures that
collectively decide to do great evil.
There has to be a moral code imprinted on us from a creator.
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And, and, and I think that that's very clear.
And that's why I'm a Christian. There is no society that is more
free than a Christian society. And, and that includes the
secular humanist society. And, and we can support that.
When you look at it all around the world, the oppression that
goes against Christians in supposed secular societies where
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they have no religion, that there is some of the, the most
egregious attacks against Christians.
You, you, you talked about how do we allow or how do we have a
pluralistic society that that functions?
I think the reason that only a Christian society can allow that
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is because we are like I said a little bit earlier, and I'm not
sure if, if they got cut off, but but Christianity is a ground
up religion. You know, it's something that
that God puts on our heart to make that decision for Christ.
It's not a top down style of religion wire where things like
Islam and others tend to be and,and I think that that's a big
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difference and it allows freedomand liberty here in America like
nowhere else. Yeah, because I've, it takes me
back one thing about Christianity and I think, and
it's for me, it's all about the idea of love, because that's
Christianity. Because the idea of Christianity
is Jesus. If you believe in Christianity,
then the idea behind Christianity.
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Is Jesus, which is. Love he give his life for ours,
for us and the idea behind that is love.
So you RIP down all of everything and the support and
the sacrifices that they used todo.
So that's one thing I feel is though is getting lost in some
of the messages that how do we ensure that we is not losing
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that message off turning point in bringing together and
bridging divide through the message of love because I just
ultimately feel so that's something that's getting lost
that we need to really remember.The woman at the well, the
Jezebel, she's a Jezebel. She wasn't living the life that
Jesus wants or Christianity or not Christianity, but the
Judaism at that time. But he said cast the first
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stone. So we are going to make sure
that we invite this Jezebel and try to save her.
And that's something that I feellike we need to start to embrace
as well. Yeah, sure.
And I think I think Charlie exemplified that.
If you watch him on his campus tours, he, you know, he treated
people with a kindness that thatwas, you know, very Christ like,
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even when there was pretty heated disagreements.
And, you know, of course Charliewasn't perfect and none of us
are. But you saw him take that
approach and, and he was, he wasvery encouraging of people, you
know, sharing their point of view and, and having a dialogue
with them. But at the same time, love is
not only the only thing. And, and sometimes that gets
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misconstrued because love sometimes is justice.
Love sometimes is tough. Love sometimes is speaking the
truth where it might offend people.
You know, I, I mentioned earlierthe, the idea here in America
that was bubbling up among the left is that we can decide
whatever gender we want to be. And, and for you to say that men
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can't get pregnant here in this culture, you could be cancelled
about that. You could be ostracized, you
could be attacked in your businesses if you did not affirm
children taking puberty blockersand, and deciding that they were
another gender. I mean, that was the kind of
nonsense that was really being driven aggressively here in this
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culture. And, and now you've seen that
change. There has been a a vibe shift
and and it it could not have come any, you know, any better
than than through Charlie's message and the things that he
was speaking on college campuses.
Perfect, I see what you're saying.
I mean, one of the things that Ido believe is that listen, I
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believe I I like some people that I'm I'm somewhat liberal,
but I'm somewhat conservative. I'm I'm a Christian and I
believe in in God. I believe that I don't believe
in puberty. Whatever I see you're born a
man, you're a man born a girl, agirl.
If you buy a man's sport play a man's sport.
If anyone push any other idea, Ithink that they're crazy.
I think it's a crazy person to pull that I push that idea.
I don't know where they're from,where they're coming from with
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that, but those you're right or just out their ideas that maybe
somebody they have some mental issues there and it needs to be
looked at. So if they're pushing that, I do
believe, but I do believe that right now a lot of for example,
right now we have our our president and he's doing a great
job in in some areas. But I think you really need to
look at because for me, love is not vengeance.
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And I feel as though some of theideas behind it is going after
someone does not exemplify Christian principle of love.
You can't say I hate someone or I don't love them.
Is then you're there's an antitious is an anti and I don't
think turning point is pushing that because I know create
Charlie Park is a creepy and I see the the and I see that the
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vengeance and I I don't love youargument is being pushed.
How do we or or talk negatively about someone?
We, how and I know you talk about tough love, but at the
same time we still have to remember that love also doesn't
kill someone or put someone downbut also push them up in order
to kill. Follow up with where you're
going with this because and I think Eddie Bryce mentioned this
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because I did say that he's associated with turning points
and a name that evokes a lot of strong reactions and some say it
stands for conservative activism.
Now, how do you reconcile your face driven call for unity with
political reality that that thrive on division as against
which promotes love? Because, you know, and then
Ricardo mentioned the point about Donald Trump, when leaders
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like Donald Trump passed blame and feed a culture of
resentment. How do you as a believer in
reconciliation navigate that tension?
What do you, how do you hold people accountable, leaders
accountable? Do you see a way for America's
moral compass to point true north again or without requiring
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everyone to believe the same? So those are compact.
One, how do you reconcile your faith driven calls for unity
with political reality that thrive on division that promote
love? 2 When leaders like Donald Trump
cast blame and feed a culture ofresentment, how do you as a
believer in reconciliation navigate that tension and hold
them accountable as a Christian yourself?
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And thirdly, do you see a way for America's moral compass to
point true north again without requiring everyone to believe
the sin? So how do you respond to that?
Yeah. Well, I'll start with that last
one. What we created was a
generational problem that requires A generational
solution. We in, in, in America largely
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abandoned the Christian faith. We we ran away from, from our
glorious founding on those Christian principles that I
talked about earlier. And, and we need to come back to
that. And what we are seeing right now
is the young generation that's coming up is more Christian and
more conservative than in years past.
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And we need a revival. And Charlie prayed for it and,
and his assassination certainly had a massive effect on that.
And I have talked daily with people who were not very aware
of him, really did not take their face seriously that, that
their eyes were opened after hisdeath.
And they've watched hours and hours of, of his presentations
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and, and even his evangelical sharing of the good news of
Christ. So I, I think that that that is
how we solve these problems is by having a new, you know, moral
group of young people coming up and choosing a better way for
the future in terms of what Donald Trump is doing.
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You know, I think that there arepeople who have destroyed this
country, who have defrauded us, who have stolen money out of our
treasury, who have tried to accumulate power to themselves
and have have destroyed families, destroyed cultures.
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And, and I think that many of them need to answer for those
crimes now, bringing justice to those people can be done in a, a
good way or being done in a vengeful way.
And, and I, I sympathize with Donald Trump and, and some of
the the aggressive feelings he much must have for those people
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that tried to put him away for 700 years and invented new legal
standards and changed laws simply to go after him and
weaponize our legal system against them, Which is
undoubtedly what happened. Because we've seen much of that
fall apart once it was kind of scrutinized.
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And, and he and he's beaten mostof those things that they
brought against him. And it would people that were
illegally doing that. And I think that that we
certainly need to have them facejustice.
There is a point at which we canforgive those folks, but
forgiving them does not mean absolving them of their crimes.
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And and that is something that Ithink a Christian has to walk a
tightrope very carefully and notbe joyful in, in having people
who deserve to go down, go down.But there's people that need to
be prosecuted and arrested. I I think about.
Remember when God said vengeanceis mine?
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Says the, you cannot be the kingand the, the justice and the,
it's his. It's, I mean, I live a life of I
believe the, I read it and I, and I feel like, so a lot of
times we are not living it and we say we are and we have to
remember that. And we also have to be
compassionate, compassionate. I mean, I do believe that.
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Fine if it's, I feel like they were doing their job and they
were directed. And if that's the case,
remember, if he's a president and he's been doing something
and the Supreme Court said that he is OK if he's doing a job, he
said if he's a president that hecould do it.
So then these people are doing think that you're doing their
job. At the same time, we can't say
that we are gods. And vengeance is mind, says the
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Lord. And then we are exacting his
vengeance because it's for him. Well wait, vengeance and justice
are are are two different things, OK.
And being and, and delivering justice to people that that
violated the laws of the United States is not wrong.
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You can and, and you can bring justice into a culture without
it being vengeance. And oh, by the way, God, God
says vengeance is mine, right? But again, vengeance is an
attitude. But God, but God places the
authority, you know, I mean, he,he gave the authority to kings,
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he gives the authority to presidents.
I mean, that's a biblical principle.
And and so there, there is a call for those that administer
justice to administer justice. If there is a, if there's an
evil wickedness in people's hearts who are seeking
vengeance. And there's people that are in
this political party of mine andthere are people who are in the
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conservative space that that, you know, want to see people
hung from trees because they're so angry.
That is not appropriate. But I still sympathize with
their feelings. And I understand, you know why
some of the people who were werearrested for taking a tour of
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the Capitol building on J6, who who thought they were invited in
by the police. And I know people that all they
did was look inside Stiaca Massaqua, who's on my show every
other week, took one step in thebuilding, took a video, was told
by the police to leave. He walked out and he was
arrested by 4 FBI agents, you know, on his way home in the
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airport. You know that I was watching. 2
minutes. So that cannot be.
Like that I know and we have hold on a second, hold on a
second. You just said something.
So you support Donald Trump's action to come against the
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against the attorney general of New York and you're against
Donald Trump's action against many people who have gone after
him on January 6th. So for example, John Anthony
Castro, who is running for who is running for president, but
was suing him. He was a Republican, was suing
him for violating Section 6, three of the 14 amendments.
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He's a Republican. Of course, there are the Trump
University. There are people who sued in
regarding Trump University. There are people who like say,
for example, the Stormy Daniel, you're saying that within the
systems it was it. And then you're saying that all
of those you support what DonaldTrump is doing in relation to
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people who believe that they areholding him accountable for all
these things and other things. You're saying that the kind of
justice that he's meeting other people is justifiable.
Well, the things that we're talking about right now, like
you just mentioned, Letitia James.
Letitia James, they're talking about coming up.
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Justice. Yeah.
Yeah. So you're saying you support?
Letitia James engaged in a very similar fraud that she tried to
put Trump away in prison for and, and the I, I think there's
some poetic justice there that that that was revealed that she
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was engaging in something that she again tried to hold him
criminally liable for when therewas no victim when the.
This is. The new Liberal Around podcast.
Hi, Eddie. Hey, how are you?
I'm doing very well, very well. Let me point the recording.
Welcome to another episode of The Nail Over Around.
(00:25):
Podcast I'm. Ronaldo McKenzie, your host and
creator. And as promised, I have with us
an amazing gentleman who reachedthat.
His people reached out to me andI was so excited when they did
because there's so much happening in America and there's
so much that that I want to cover with him and go over.
(00:47):
And I actually have my talking points just now, which I just
lost. Give me a second, please.
America, they say, is a house divided.
But maybe, just maybe, that's the house where the truest
conversation happens. Today we are joined by Eddie
Bryce, speaker, host and believer, whose mission is to
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bring people together using biblical principles.
In a time when even the word principle feel it's partisan.
We want to understand who Eddie Bryce really is, not the
caricature some paint, but the person, the purpose and the
passion. Because if we are to heal as a
nation, we must begin by listening, even when it is
(01:29):
uncomfortable. And so we're happy to have Eddie
Bryce with us. And we're going to have, we
actually have several segments. The first segment is the man
behind the mic. The second one, bridging and
divided nation. The third, faith, politics, and
perspective. First we want to talk about hope
and humanity. And of course we're going to
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have closing reflections. We may not we may not be able to
do all of that. By the way, Eddie, when I when I
told some of my friends that I'mgoing to even I'm going to have
you on the show, they were saying what?
And I said you, you you're from turning Point.
They were like, what? What you have that redneck guy
coming on the show. Why?
You have somebody like and I'm like, OK, now I know exactly
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where I'm going to begin. OK, who is Eddie?
And and let's start. Yeah, this stage about this.
How are you? Welcome to the show.
And who are you? Thank you.
Thank you. Yeah, well, well, my first
name's Bryce and my last name's Eddie, which messes everybody
up. Oh, what's your name?
Yeah, I mean, I've been My firstname is Bryce, my last name is
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Eddie, which, you know, when youhave two first names, it screws
everybody up. I am so sorry and I wrote it
right now. No and I thought I made a
mistake. Yes.
No, no, no, you, you are good and and I answer either way so
it doesn't matter. So who are you shaped to and
what keeps you grounded in your mission?
Who are you really? Yes.
Yeah, yeah. So, so listen, I mean, I'm, I'm
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like everybody else trying to find my way in life.
And you know, yes, certainly blessed to to live here in
America and grew up in in California largely and then
moved to the Boise, ID area, yes.
And, you know, been a been a lifelong, you know, fan of how
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we organize ourselves, which is really what politics is.
That's simplest definition of how we organize ourselves.
Right. And, and with that, I've been an
entrepreneur and a businessman and I've, you know, spent a lot
of time traveling the country, traveling the world.
And I'm fascinated by people. And you mentioned in the
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beginning of the show you talkedabout a divide here in America.
Yeah, we are not as divided as people think, but there is a
massive attempt to divide us. That's the goal.
And and people ask like, why or what's happening?
We we are in a worldwide conflict.
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America happens to be the strongest country in the world
and bringing us down and dividing us allows our enemies
to take control over everything.And, and when you when you talk
about whoever our enemies are, our enemies are the people that
want to control us. And, and by that, really, if you
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think about what America stood for, America was about the
individual and about liberty. And that does not work well with
people who want to be tyrants and people who want to make
decisions for us. And so for kind of eternity,
there's been this battle betweenthe central planners, the people
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that want to control all authority to themselves and they
think they know better than all of us as individuals.
They want to control us. And and the the truth is, is
that is anti God because God wants us to have the liberty
that that that his idea. It's Mandia and he wants to make
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sure that that that's what we'reable to do.
And the central planners are those that want to oppose that.
Does that make sense? Yes, yes, yes, definitely.
So so you believe so of course, so you believe that we're not
the US is not necessarily America is not divided, but
there are those who are seeking to divide us and you're saying
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that that you. We are, we are built.
The foundation of this country is based on individual.
Is it and liberty? But so.
Tell me how does? How does?
Your organization is. How do you go about it?
What, what do you think can bring about that and what do you
think is happening today in terms of the politics of our
country and what will be able tobring that bridge that or bring
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about that liberty and that individualism?
Yeah, well, so you know Charlie who I mean, I, I still can't
believe and we're still all in shock was assassinated.
Was this the founder of of turning Point say.
And and his vision was to reallyeducate people on that idea of
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liberty. And, and he started educating
the youth and educating young people who were being told that
they were victims, being told that life was unfair, being told
all kinds of nonsense that that again, is intended to ban the
flames of envy and jealousy and make people victims.
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All that because you can controlpeople who who don't have
strength and power. You can control people who don't
believe in sovereignty. You can control nations if you
divide and fracture them. And, and that's what we've seen
happening just categorically around the world.
And again, America was unique inits founding because it was
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founded on that principle of we the people and, and that's
what's been attacked and and fractured for so long.
But when you have conversations like we're having now with
people who you might disagree with, you find most the time
that you're actually closer thanyou think rather than as far
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apart as they're making it seem in the media.
And, and you know, all of the, the kind of ethos that you that
you see in the, in the world, weare not as divided.
But Charlie was an advocate of us having those conversations
and having free speech and beingable to talk about these things.
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And Ricardo? Is just joining us and those of
us what is joining us and we're speaking with Bryce Eddie.
Bryce Eddie is the former president of Turning Point USA
and was also. Yeah, let me, Yeah, let me, let
me correct that. I, I saw one of Charlie's
boards. I was the board president of of
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one of the four organizations. But I just want to make sure
that that's clear. Yeah.
Charlie was the the the leader and founder of the organization
and Charlie was a one of one. There was nobody, nobody like
Charlie before and and I don't think they'll ever be someone
like Charlie after. So what kind of void do you
think he's left within your organization and within how do
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you go? Yeah, that's the first question.
And how? Where do you go from here?
Yeah. So although Charlie was turning
point and turning turning point was Charlie it, it was so much
more than that at the same time.And the the organization is
filled with a group of incredibly hard workers that
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that delivered results. For example, Donald Trump really
outsourced the ground. And truly worked incredibly hard
to get what we call the low propensity voters out to the
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polls. And that made the difference for
Trump in this election. And was this we deployed, you
know, thousands of people aroundthe country in the days to go to
the voters that would vote for Donald Trump is a candidate, but
but maybe would have stayed homeon the couch or not registered
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otherwise. And and Charlie, be sure that
this people got to to vote. And that's what this little
thing was about his who got out there and actually voted you.
Have a question? You know many people.
Have a negative feel of 20 points.
So there are many people who have a negative feel of, of, of,
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of, of turning point and even third itself down.
He said that many unfortunate things were said during the time
of when we needed compassion andsympathy.
But as you, I, I, we talk about the issue of Britain with
bridging and dividing the issue or you say we're not divided.
However one is internally talk about bringing people together
to people called principles, health and justice and so on.
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But how do these principles translate into a pluralistic
society where people are of manyfaiths or no faith at all, and
hopefully achieve them and we get some?
Serious vision at the divining line rather than a bridge.
How do you ensure your message doesn't alienate but invite and
while and what and the second question, why do you what what
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do you think? Why do you think people, some
people have such a a negative oror misunderstand your your
message and the organization? Well, I mean, that's all
intentional, you know, discrediting Turning Point by
misquoting Charlie or mischaracterizing his points on
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things. I mean, I'm sure you've seen a
lot of that. I mean, there is really some
horrible and intentional mischaracterizing of Charlie's
positions on things and and people did that because they are
liars that want to destroy or itwas such a powerful organization
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and will remain a very powerful organization.
But but all of that, I mean, those, those are people that
that are, are truly liars and manipulating people out there
for their own ends because it, it's, it's frightening what has
happened in our culture just in the last few years because of
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Charlie's impact. They are terrified of the fact
that now you're watching high school kids coming up and, and
being more conservative than they ever have been, adhering
more to traditional values. The the left went so far when
they talked about men could get pregnant and all kinds of
absurdities. They they went way too far.
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And so now the young kids have have had that turning point, pun
intended and and started to lookat that nonsense and wholesale
rejected. You asked about a pluralistic
societies, though in in every society, in every country, in
every culture, there will be a religious ideology that reigns
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supreme. You, you really cannot deny
that. And for, you know, hundreds of
years now at this point in America, it was Christianity and
in the West at large it was Christianity.
And, and our founding fathers knew that that was important.
So Christianity and its moral foundation was what allowed
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other religions and it's what allowed a pluralistic society.
You do not have that in any other culture without
Christianity at its base, because Christianity isn't a top
down religion. Hey.
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Yeah, lost signing I'm. Sorry, Bryce.
We've lost Bryce. Are you back?
He made an interesting point in terms.
Of your, your audio is not clear, by the way.
My audio, yeah, it's not clear at all.
All right, I think I'm, I'm, I'mback.
Yeah, OK. That's.
What I'm saying now? All right, Perfect.
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Yeah. So you were talking about so, so
Turning Point, it's me. So one of the thing I because I
did not know much about Turning Point.
I mean, I didn't know much aboutCharlie Kirk.
I learned about his death during.
Can you hear me? You can, right.
I learned about his death. Yeah.
I heard about him in a meeting. I have a meet conference call
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with my team. And that's why I learned.
And then I looked him up to see who he was.
So everything that I know about Charlie Kirk was just recent.
Everything was recent, which is that quite unique considering
that he had so many following and he was so influential.
But I realized that one of The thing is he was a lot, he was
very influential to a lot of younger people within the
college sphere, but also he was really trying to get out.
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The one of the most important thing impactful is getting out
the vote with people who would not necessarily vote, but that I
wasn't sure. Did he also try to get out the
vote for those people who are the probably could be a liberal
or independent view? It's just the idea of getting
out there and voting and making sure that their voices heard
that they all do. Is it?
Is that something that he believed in pushing as well?
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No, I mean, he believed in everybody having a voice.
But no, we certainly weren't pushing for the other side to
get out there and vote. And, and, and partly because
there's a massive disconnect between what are considered the
Democrats of today and the Republicans.
And by the way, I mean, both parties have failed us.
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But I will tell you one thing, and this ruffles a lot of
feathers, the modern Democrat party platform is incongruent
with the Christian faith at every level.
What the Democrats believe it isan it's it is anti Bible, it is
Antichrist. And that that ruffles the
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feathers of traditional Democrats who envisioned what
JFK had and and what the party used to be like.
But they moved the Overton window so far left that just on
on the basis of principle, you cannot be a Democrat.
And, and I challenge my Democratfriends and people who have held
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those views traditionally to go through and think about what
they stand for these days, because it is, it is a pro
death, anti family, anti enterprise, anti liberty belief
system. And, and so of course we aren't
going to be advocating for people who don't even really
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know why they, you know, should vote or even America was found.
We certainly don't want them to be running out and voting now at
the same time. What Charlie advocated is learn
these things and learn why America was founded and learn
why liberty is important, then go out and vote.
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OK, perfect. One thing I heard you tell is
about man getting man getting pregnant.
I've never heard of that before,but it's I'm, I'm not on social
a lot. I, I've been on there a lot
lately because I want to know what's going on there and what's
going on in the world. And, but I, when you said that,
I was like quite interesting because I, if I hear anyone say
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that, I think it, that's just ludicrous and that's ridiculous.
If anyone would say that if that's something that they're
pushing, it's it's. So, so unique.
I just. I want to be the point, and I
don't recall that you are your new voice with the conversation,
but the earlier Brice was speaking about the different
culture. Yes, a religion or a.
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Religious or an ideological or philosophical philosophy that
runs into religious philosophy that runs between and in America
it is Christianity because Christianity was founded gone to
these principles. So you and we had interrupted
and that spot the questions thatyou made, because what I'm
saying to you is that how do these principles translate into
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the society where people of many.
Faiths or no? Faith at all and how do we
reconcile it? How do we reconcile it?
Because some civil religion is not dividing rather than the
bridge. That is why we have the
conversation about abortion and someone and so forth.
That is why we have the conversations about sexuality
and so on and so forth. But so my question is as.
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How? Do you ensure your message?
Does it alienate but invite? Well, I, I mean, some of the
Christian principles and some ofthe, the things that our country
is founded on is going to be alienating.
And, and that's why there are things that are incompatible
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with Western culture. For instance, right now we have
a, a massive rising tide of, of Islam in certain communities
around the world and, and you are having things within that
culture that should not be allowed.
For example, the the mutilation of young girls sexually should
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not be something that is allowedhere in America.
But it is a religious principle in in part of, you know, Islam.
You cannot allow that. And so there are things that as
a Christian culture, meaning a base foundational culture, which
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is where we build our laws, where we get our morality, there
are things that you cannot accept.
Our Founding Fathers did not ever imagine us to have no moral
code. They did not imagine us to have
the moral code that went againstour liberty, went against the
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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They they did not imagine a world that we would just allow
any idea and anything to grow and proliferate.
There has to be standards. We started to abandon those
Christian standards here in America over the last several
decades and, and go in favor of a secular humanism that's still
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a religious ideology. And and with that, you have the
collapse of society. Are you there?
Can you hear me? I lost you.
Sorry I. Was talking to you, Ronaldo.
You're muted, yes. Yes.
Do you have a follow up questionto that because I.
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Would I do have a follow up question because I, I, because
you talk about the, the foundingprinciple of America's OK and
there of course there has alwaysbeen a drive in terms of
separating state and church. How is it that there was a
separation between state and church?
But it seemed as if your organization and yourself once
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is is focused on used, utilizingthe religion as a way back, but
yet still within the politics, within the foundation, there is
some there is a separation of state and church.
How do you? Speak to that.
Yeah. So so that that.
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Muslims will disagree with you that they that their, I mean,
their religion is about the mutualization of girls.
Of course, I mean, I'm in Philadelphia and I do and there
are a lot of Muslims here and I don't think that is something
that they promote. Maybe maybe they're radicalist
Muslims or, or the most what I've said is that people have
taken the most radical aspect ofsomething when they want to push
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back against it. But and then again, I think it
is unfair to say that to have nofaith is to not have my moral
code. There are those who would argue
against that. So how do you speak to to all of
this? Well, well.
First, I would challenge anyone on that.
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And we could spend a, we could spend hours talking about where
we get our moral code and, and, and why it needs to be separate
from our own just personal decisions or collective
decisions, because there have been plenty of cultures that
collectively decide to do great evil.
There has to be a moral code imprinted on us from a creator.
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And, and, and I think that that's very clear.
And that's why I'm a Christian. There is no society that is more
free than a Christian society. And, and that includes the
secular humanist society. And, and we can support that.
When you look at it all around the world, the oppression that
goes against Christians in supposed secular societies where
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they have no religion, that there is some of the, the most
egregious attacks against Christians.
You, you, you talked about how do we allow or how do we have a
pluralistic society that that functions?
I think the reason that only a Christian society can allow that
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is because we are like I said a little bit earlier, and I'm not
sure if, if they got cut off, but but Christianity is a ground
up religion. You know, it's something that
that God puts on our heart to make that decision for Christ.
It's not a top down style of religion wire where things like
Islam and others tend to be and,and I think that that's a big
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difference and it allows freedomand liberty here in America like
nowhere else. Yeah, because I've, it takes me
back one thing about Christianity and I think, and
it's for me, it's all about the idea of love, because that's
Christianity. Because the idea of Christianity
is Jesus. If you believe in Christianity,
then the idea behind Christianity.
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Is Jesus, which is. Love he give his life for ours,
for us and the idea behind that is love.
So you RIP down all of everything and the support and
the sacrifices that they used todo.
So that's one thing I feel is though is getting lost in some
of the messages that how do we ensure that we is not losing
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that message off turning point in bringing together and
bridging divide through the message of love because I just
ultimately feel so that's something that's getting lost
that we need to really remember.The woman at the well, the
Jezebel, she's a Jezebel. She wasn't living the life that
Jesus wants or Christianity or not Christianity, but the
Judaism at that time. But he said cast the first
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stone. So we are going to make sure
that we invite this Jezebel and try to save her.
And that's something that I feellike we need to start to embrace
as well. Yeah, sure.
And I think I think Charlie exemplified that.
If you watch him on his campus tours, he, you know, he treated
people with a kindness that thatwas, you know, very Christ like,
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even when there was pretty heated disagreements.
And, you know, of course Charliewasn't perfect and none of us
are. But you saw him take that
approach and, and he was, he wasvery encouraging of people, you
know, sharing their point of view and, and having a dialogue
with them. But at the same time, love is
not only the only thing. And, and sometimes that gets
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misconstrued because love sometimes is justice.
Love sometimes is tough. Love sometimes is speaking the
truth where it might offend people.
You know, I, I mentioned earlierthe, the idea here in America
that was bubbling up among the left is that we can decide
whatever gender we want to be. And, and for you to say that men
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can't get pregnant here in this culture, you could be cancelled
about that. You could be ostracized, you
could be attacked in your businesses if you did not affirm
children taking puberty blockersand, and deciding that they were
another gender. I mean, that was the kind of
nonsense that was really being driven aggressively here in this
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culture. And, and now you've seen that
change. There has been a a vibe shift
and and it it could not have come any, you know, any better
than than through Charlie's message and the things that he
was speaking on college campuses.
Perfect, I see what you're saying.
I mean, one of the things that Ido believe is that listen, I
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believe I I like some people that I'm I'm somewhat liberal,
but I'm somewhat conservative. I'm I'm a Christian and I
believe in in God. I believe that I don't believe
in puberty. Whatever I see you're born a
man, you're a man born a girl, agirl.
If you buy a man's sport play a man's sport.
If anyone push any other idea, Ithink that they're crazy.
I think it's a crazy person to pull that I push that idea.
I don't know where they're from,where they're coming from with
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that, but those you're right or just out their ideas that maybe
somebody they have some mental issues there and it needs to be
looked at. So if they're pushing that, I do
believe, but I do believe that right now a lot of for example,
right now we have our our president and he's doing a great
job in in some areas. But I think you really need to
look at because for me, love is not vengeance.
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And I feel as though some of theideas behind it is going after
someone does not exemplify Christian principle of love.
You can't say I hate someone or I don't love them.
Is then you're there's an antitious is an anti and I don't
think turning point is pushing that because I know create
Charlie Park is a creepy and I see the the and I see that the
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vengeance and I I don't love youargument is being pushed.
How do we or or talk negatively about someone?
We, how and I know you talk about tough love, but at the
same time we still have to remember that love also doesn't
kill someone or put someone downbut also push them up in order
to kill. Follow up with where you're
going with this because and I think Eddie Bryce mentioned this
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because I did say that he's associated with turning points
and a name that evokes a lot of strong reactions and some say it
stands for conservative activism.
Now, how do you reconcile your face driven call for unity with
political reality that that thrive on division as against
which promotes love? Because, you know, and then
Ricardo mentioned the point about Donald Trump, when leaders
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like Donald Trump passed blame and feed a culture of
resentment. How do you as a believer in
reconciliation navigate that tension?
What do you, how do you hold people accountable, leaders
accountable? Do you see a way for America's
moral compass to point true north again or without requiring
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everyone to believe the same? So those are compact.
One, how do you reconcile your faith driven calls for unity
with political reality that thrive on division that promote
love? 2 When leaders like Donald Trump
cast blame and feed a culture ofresentment, how do you as a
believer in reconciliation navigate that tension and hold
them accountable as a Christian yourself?
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And thirdly, do you see a way for America's moral compass to
point true north again without requiring everyone to believe
the sin? So how do you respond to that?
Yeah. Well, I'll start with that last
one. What we created was a
generational problem that requires A generational
solution. We in, in, in America largely
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abandoned the Christian faith. We we ran away from, from our
glorious founding on those Christian principles that I
talked about earlier. And, and we need to come back to
that. And what we are seeing right now
is the young generation that's coming up is more Christian and
more conservative than in years past.
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And we need a revival. And Charlie prayed for it and,
and his assassination certainly had a massive effect on that.
And I have talked daily with people who were not very aware
of him, really did not take their face seriously that, that
their eyes were opened after hisdeath.
And they've watched hours and hours of, of his presentations
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and, and even his evangelical sharing of the good news of
Christ. So I, I think that that that is
how we solve these problems is by having a new, you know, moral
group of young people coming up and choosing a better way for
the future in terms of what Donald Trump is doing.
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You know, I think that there arepeople who have destroyed this
country, who have defrauded us, who have stolen money out of our
treasury, who have tried to accumulate power to themselves
and have have destroyed families, destroyed cultures.
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And, and I think that many of them need to answer for those
crimes now, bringing justice to those people can be done in a, a
good way or being done in a vengeful way.
And, and I, I sympathize with Donald Trump and, and some of
the the aggressive feelings he much must have for those people
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that tried to put him away for 700 years and invented new legal
standards and changed laws simply to go after him and
weaponize our legal system against them, Which is
undoubtedly what happened. Because we've seen much of that
fall apart once it was kind of scrutinized.
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And, and he and he's beaten mostof those things that they
brought against him. And it would people that were
illegally doing that. And I think that that we
certainly need to have them facejustice.
There is a point at which we canforgive those folks, but
forgiving them does not mean absolving them of their crimes.
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And and that is something that Ithink a Christian has to walk a
tightrope very carefully and notbe joyful in, in having people
who deserve to go down, go down.But there's people that need to
be prosecuted and arrested. I I think about.
Remember when God said vengeanceis mine?
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Says the, you cannot be the kingand the, the justice and the,
it's his. It's, I mean, I live a life of I
believe the, I read it and I, and I feel like, so a lot of
times we are not living it and we say we are and we have to
remember that. And we also have to be
compassionate, compassionate. I mean, I do believe that.
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Fine if it's, I feel like they were doing their job and they
were directed. And if that's the case,
remember, if he's a president and he's been doing something
and the Supreme Court said that he is OK if he's doing a job, he
said if he's a president that hecould do it.
So then these people are doing think that you're doing their
job. At the same time, we can't say
that we are gods. And vengeance is mind, says the
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Lord. And then we are exacting his
vengeance because it's for him. Well wait, vengeance and justice
are are are two different things, OK.
And being and, and delivering justice to people that that
violated the laws of the United States is not wrong.
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You can and, and you can bring justice into a culture without
it being vengeance. And oh, by the way, God, God
says vengeance is mine, right? But again, vengeance is an
attitude. But God, but God places the
authority, you know, I mean, he,he gave the authority to kings,
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he gives the authority to presidents.
I mean, that's a biblical principle.
And and so there, there is a call for those that administer
justice to administer justice. If there is a, if there's an
evil wickedness in people's hearts who are seeking
vengeance. And there's people that are in
this political party of mine andthere are people who are in the
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conservative space that that, you know, want to see people
hung from trees because they're so angry.
That is not appropriate. But I still sympathize with
their feelings. And I understand, you know why
some of the people who were werearrested for taking a tour of
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the Capitol building on J6, who who thought they were invited in
by the police. And I know people that all they
did was look inside Stiaca Massaqua, who's on my show every
other week, took one step in thebuilding, took a video, was told
by the police to leave. He walked out and he was
arrested by 4 FBI agents, you know, on his way home in the
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airport. You know that I was watching. 2
minutes. So that cannot be.
Like that I know and we have hold on a second, hold on a
second. You just said something.
So you support Donald Trump's action to come against the
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against the attorney general of New York and you're against
Donald Trump's action against many people who have gone after
him on January 6th. So for example, John Anthony
Castro, who is running for who is running for president, but
was suing him. He was a Republican, was suing
him for violating Section 6, three of the 14 amendments.
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He's a Republican. Of course, there are the Trump
University. There are people who sued in
regarding Trump University. There are people who like say,
for example, the Stormy Daniel, you're saying that within the
systems it was it. And then you're saying that all
of those you support what DonaldTrump is doing in relation to
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people who believe that they areholding him accountable for all
these things and other things. You're saying that the kind of
justice that he's meeting other people is justifiable.
Well, the things that we're talking about right now, like
you just mentioned, Letitia James.
Letitia James, they're talking about coming up.
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Justice. Yeah.
Yeah. So you're saying you support?
Letitia James engaged in a very similar fraud that she tried to
put Trump away in prison for and, and the I, I think there's
some poetic justice there that that that was revealed that she
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was engaging in something that she again tried to hold him
criminally liable for when therewas no victim when the.
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