June 26, 2025 • 45 mins
Have you ever been accused of having the attention span of a sparrow? Ever felt like no matter how hard you try, you will never be like everyone else? Hiccup certainly has. This week in our Neurodiversity in the Media segment, we're breaking down the neurodivergent qualities we see in Hiccup from How to Train Your Dragon!
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Hi there Amander. Well, hi.
Like I didn't just spend like 5 days with you.
I know like literally 2 days agoI just got back from being at
her house from for four days. Five days.
However many days time is time is illusion.
Yep, it was fun. We had fun, we did things.
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Yeah, we'll talk about it on theother side.
But hi, we're a podcast. I'm Nikki and that's Amanda.
Say hi, Amanda. Hi, Amanda.
We're just two neurodivergent best friends travelling the
neuroverse together 'cause we'reliving in a neurotypical world
and we are not neurotypical girls.
Amanda. Yes.
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What we talking about today? Today it's another part in our
series of neurodiversity or neurodivergence in media like
this is all head cannon to us. These aren't necessarily
characters that are explicitly like autistic, ADHD, what have
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you, but ones that we see sometimes see a little bit of
ourselves in and just kind of resonate with.
So this this episode is about Hiccup.
I think it's full names like Hipic, Hiccup Horrendous,
Haddock, the third, I think it'sfull name, but he from how to
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train your dragon. So we're talking talking from
him about particularly the firstone, because right now the when
this episode goes up, the the live action remake of the
original movie, the original animated movie is still in
theaters. And I think Nikki said, Nikki
told me she's she's only seen she thinks she's only seen the
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first one, the first, the first animated of the trilogy.
And I've seen all of them. But now I've seen I've seen all
of the original animated ones. And now I, I did see the live
action last week. So, and it's it, that's, this is
what gave me the idea is becauseas, because I hadn't seen the
movie, the original in a very long time.
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And this was was before I had seen like before I had come to
terms with this. Well, maybe I am neurodivergent.
And so I saw a lot of traits in Hiccup, like of myself in
Hiccup. And so this is like I said, this
is kind of head cannon. We're not diagnosing him or
anything. It's just kind of like a fun
little segment we like to do of neurodiversity characters that
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we that we've noticed. Because things that autistic and
neurodivergent, ADHD people, whatever you want to say, do are
things that all humans do. It's just we do them to a degree
in which it can affect our life or experiences to agree we
experience things differently than other people, but it
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they're all human experiences still.
So that's why it's easy to see things that like, oh, I resonate
with that. I do that all the time in
characters because it's a human experience, right?
Same thing goes for neurodivergence in characters
because it's, it's still a humanexperience.
So yeah, that's what we're goingto talk about today.
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I'm going to half ass let her lead with this.
I it's been a long time since I watched the movies.
I did watch a little like compilation of like some of the
best scenes. I do remember quite a bit from
the first movie, but it has beena while since I've seen it.
It's more so fresh in your brainand you took the liberty of
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putting a bunch of notes in here.
So thank you. So we're going to, we're going
to do that. And yeah, it's it's just going
to be, it's going to be probably, I don't know.
We always say it's probably going to be a short one and then
ends up being an hour anyway. So we're just not even going to
go there. Let's just let's get into it.
What do you want to talk about? What do you, what do you, what
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do you want to start this with? Talk to us about Hiccup.
Well, so first of all, it's evenlike his dad Stoic, who is
played by Jared Butler both in the live action and in the
animated. But he he even says like and
this is what kind of like made me think about it.
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He as he's talking to his friendand I, I'm quoting him.
It said he doesn't listen. He has the attention span of a
Sparrow. I take him fishing and he goes
hunting for trolls. So I feel like obviously
attention span big issue for ADHD people.
So I'm more, I'm like, I originally was leaning towards
Hiccup having ADHD with like a touch of the Chism.
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So we could just call him like Audi, Audi HD.
So because he has a suit like a hyper interest, which is like
Dragons inventing whatever 'cause he, he's different than
other Vikings in that they all want to kill Dragons.
They're all supposed to be like rough and tough and everything.
And he he just, it's basically he's kind of like Loki, like of
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the Thor, like of the Thor and the warriors 3 type of thing.
Like they all want to be a warrior and like sword and
shield type of characters. And he's more of the like
inventive type. So he he spends his time in like
the, I think what's it's like a blacksmithing, like he's an
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apprentice for the blacksmith. I think he's a blacksmith is the
is his dad's friend and I can't remember the dad's friend's
name, so apologize. But he's, he's an apprentice
blacksmith and but he just spends a lot of his time
inventing and but he does use one of his inventions and he's
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able to take down the night Fury, which ends up being
toothless, right. So no one else, no other Vikings
was able to take or even like see a night Fury or take down a
night Fury or anything. But because of his invention, he
was able to take down a night Fury that no one else was able
to take down. So he so I think that's kind of
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like like kind of showing like being different isn't bad.
You know, it's like because everyone else is the same like
none of them have been able to take down the ultimate dragon
like he was able to. So what do you like?
What do you think about that? Like do you remember that that
scene where he was at least in live?
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I don't remember what it what itlooks like.
I think it's the same in the in the animate.
I think the animate is very close to live action, but in the
live action he uses like a giantcrossbow like ballista looking
thing is how he's toothless. Yeah, and doesn't like it wraps
him up right, like in a bunch oflike rope.
And then he goes and tracks him down and finds where he is and
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then realizes that, like, when he sees him, he's like, gonna
like, do the whole thing where I'm gonna kill him.
And he's like, I, I can't kill this thing.
And he ends up cutting him loose.
Yeah. And he feels like a
disappointment to like his, his dad, his basically his entire
culture, his society. He's like, 'cause he even says
later, like anyone else would have killed him.
He's like he tells Astrid and he's like, anyone else would
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have killed him. I don't know why I couldn't kill
him. I'm just a bad Viking.
And so she's like, yeah. And she actually, she's like,
well, yeah, you, you are, but that's OK.
And so it's, it's OK that you are.
She's like, yeah, anyone, any one of us would have killed him,
but you didn't. So.
And I'm so glad he didn't 'causehe's the cutest little thing
ever and I love toothless. Yeah, 'cause he, I, and I even
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looked after. I remember I remember seeing the
original the original animated one in theaters and I was like
Toothless reminds me of Stitch from LILO.
And stitch and. I looked, I looked up, it's the
same, some of the same people that worked on that movie.
I don't know if it's the director or with the animator.
I want to say like one of the animators, the animated Stitch
and like maybe a director or a writer worked on Lilo and Stitch
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also did the animated did the live or said sorry did How to
train your dragon. Which what's cool is that in the
trilogy, the trilogy of How to train your Dragon has the same
director as the live action one does.
So same director to do. And yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
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Was his his first and that was his first live action movie.
But so yeah, basically he tries for years to like fit in with
his village, but then he learns to use his differences to help
and then eventually like he saves everybody because he bonds
with Toothless and everything. And, and, and I saw when I was
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looking up like on Reddit and like Tumblr and stuff, like
people who also saw ADHD or autism into or in a hiccup, they
also was like, and Toothless is kind of autistic too, because
he's also different. He like he tries to mimic people
like they're like he when when he tries to mimic hiccup smile
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and he doesn't and because he doesn't know what to do and so
and he he doesn't want to be touched at first, he it takes a
little bit to warm up to him. I mean, I mean Toothless is
basically a giant cat. Like that's any time I see
people like when people talk about like if if they watched
the movie for the first time, they're like, oh, he's a giant
cat. And I feel like all cats are a
little a little bit autistic. So I mean, you can art fight
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with me. He wants big cat vibes for sure.
Yeah, he's, he's, he's definitely a big cat.
He's more cat than dog. And so and so I and so one of
the posts I saw was that they thought that that Toothless was
a little bit autistic. So like, let me see one of these
that said, yeah, it said, so this is from Tumblr.
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A person her the handle is Lila Hammer, Lila Hammar.
It's just still like, OK, peopleare asking for more.
I'll add a little bit. I can honestly do a whole essay
on this. They said, first of all, I don't
think this reading this. Basically they're talking about
how what they think that like about Hiccup and Toothless.
It said. I don't think this reading this
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is reading as much of A stretch considering Chris Sanders and
Dean Debloe previously directed Lilo and Stitch.
That movie is clearly about neurodivergence and Lilo is
definitely autistic. It's if you look at the film
with the ADHD autistic analysis of mine, certain parts become
even more emotional. For example, I guess in the
second the Oh yeah, the forbidden friendship scene,
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which they're drawing in the dirt says Hiccup is stemming
slash engaging in a special interest by doodling Toothless.
Toothless notices, and even though he doesn't fully
understand it, he makes still makes an effort to join in.
They get closer, both literally and figuratively, by sharing an
activity that's important to Hiccup.
Then, at the end of the scene, Hiccup reaches out to touch
Toothless, but he flinches away.It isn't until Hiccup turns his
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gaze away and holds out his hand, removing the pressure of
eye contact and lying Toothless to approach him on his own
terms. They finally make contact, so
they become friends, meeting each other at the level that's
most comfortable for each of them respectively.
So yeah, so that's like, that's another little thing that and
they also noted like, well, whatI did is like Hiccup has the
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attention span of a Sparrow, struggles with this filter, has
a special interest slash hyperfixation on Dragons.
Toothless is touch avoidant, takes well to warm up, tries his
best to make others friendly gestures even though he doesn't
fully understand them. They're both socially rejected
until they find out they find each other and realize they can
communicate and understand each other far easier than they were
able to with their peers. And so, so basically they got,
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they've got the 2, two neurodivergent people in the
village just hooked up and became the ultimate power duo,
you know? Yeah, Yeah, I think that
definitely speaks to the neurodivergent experience
because I don't know about you, but I, I feel like I have always
found it easier to relate to people who are also
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neurodivergent in some way. Because when we're talking like
the squirrel moments, don't theydon't get upset when you
squirrel, they don't get upset if you interrupt because you're
excited about something. And like they don't, you know,
you can, you can relate on things how certain things are
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more difficult for you than theymight be for neurotypical
people. And like there's just a level of
understanding that happens in that space that I don't think is
as easy to get outside of a neurotypical, like outside of a
neurodivergent community. At least that's been my own
personal experience. I'm sure there are lots of
people who are neurodivergent who have wonderful neurotypical
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friends and family. But I have always struggled with
friendships and weird like enough.
The ones that have lasted the longest is because we both got
in touch with the tism. So you know, and my autism don't
irritate your autism. So that's why we've been friends
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for 20 fucking years. So like it just it's, it does
speak to like a bigger, a biggerexperience.
That is, it's, I think it's something that most
neurodivergent people will shareis just that difficulty feeling
like you don't fit in, feeling like nobody understands you.
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And then you find this one person or thing or community
where you feel seen and heard and loved for the first time.
And the things that are weird about you in your community,
where you currently are are not weird to this community.
And you start to realize that there are other people like you
or that you found something thatyou're so deeply connected to
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that makes you feel alive again.And like, you matter and like
you're making a difference. And it's, it's such a cool thing
to see. The one of the scenes that I
watched today was that one wherethey first are trying to like
get like it's after he had already cut him to cut him down
and they were trying to he's trying to figure out why he
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couldn't fly. He realizes he only has half his
tail thin and then he starts to like draw him and he's thinking
and then we see him make the little tail fin for him and get
closer and closer or whatever. And they learn to fly together.
And it's, it's like they're the whole thing where they're like
learning to fly together for me.Like, if you want to look deeper
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into that, as someone who's an adult watching a child's cartoon
show, it's like you found this person or this companion that
you are. So you're so mutually committed.
Yeah. Committed to each other and
wanting to see the other person be their truest and best self.
And you want to help that personbe their truest and best self.
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And your, your, what am I tryingto say?
Your skills and their skills canmeet and you can do something
wonderful with it. And you both help each other
achieve the thing that you're that makes them feel the most
like themselves or just being around that person makes you
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feel the most like yourself. You can express who you truly
are around that person. It gives you wings to fly wings
to be yourself. And you know, and it just, it
makes, it was like very heartwarming.
And I've been all in my feels this last couple weeks.
It's been a mess. But I got I always get a little
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teary eyed during the flying scene, like when they first take
off, because it's like, Oh my God, you did it Like you guys
did it, you know, and like when they finally get to the point
where they're they've got it figured out and he starts to
learn how to do it by himself without Hiccup.
And I don't know, it's just it's, it's one of those things
that if you are someone who has always struggled to fit in, you
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can definitely see how Hiccup finding this dragon, knowing
that he's supposed to kill this dragon, he's supposed to not
want to be around this dragon. Everyone's always told him that
this dragon is dangerous. Dragons are dangerous.
They're going to kill you. They just want to, you know that
you can't, they can't be reasoned with.
Their food. And they steal our food.
They kill us. Right.
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And then you realize, no, that'snot really the case.
Maybe we're the people who are making them.
Maybe we're the. Monsters.
Maybe we're the monsters exactlylike.
Yeah, I feel like that's a wholeother.
Narrative you could pull out of it, but.
Yeah, they're basically a few puzzle pieces that fit in
together because obviously to Hiccup would not be able to fly
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without Toothless and Toothless would not be able to control
flying without Hiccup because has to control the tail fin
thing. So that's like another another
thing is like basically two people working together for a
common goal. Basically, like I said, that
ends up what that's what ends upsaving their entire village once
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they find the Dragon's nest and the big the big behemoth dragon,
the big queen dragon. And eventually that's how I
mean, I'm gonna say spoilers in those movies 15 years old, but
spoilers, I guess. But like, you know, then Hiccup
ends up losing his own leg. And so so not only not only in
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our head Canon, like these are two newer division characters,
but then you have a actually very like obviously Canon
disabled characters. But like Sable like disabled in
the way that they don't let their disability hinder them.
Like they don't make it seem like not necessarily an excuse,
but they don't make it because sometimes, like when you have
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like a movie or something where the disabled character, they
kind of either infantilize them or they kind of make it like
like a super big deal type of thing.
Like, oh, they're gonna overcomethis.
His ability. Like, yeah, you overcame it.
He's like, oh, I lost my leg. Well, I guess I gotta get on
with my life. So they, and they even like
retrofitted his little stirrup thing for his new leg, for his
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like 'cause after losing his real leg.
So they like even his friends, like the blacksmith guy, he even
like helped it. Like he's like, oh, I made some
modifications to your stirrup thing.
And then then now he's able to then retrofitted it for his new
leg. And so, and then at, you know,
at the end, all the Dragons now live with them.
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And so they, they all now they all have their own Dragons and
use the Dragons to fly. So basically, like I said,
Hiccup, convince them, hey, we can stop killing these Dragons.
They're not doing this on purpose.
They're actually trying to feed this big, the big king or queen
dragon as like tribute and they can't help it like this other
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this big dragon that kills them if they don't, you know,
basically do what they said. Well, do what it says.
But like until that point, like another thing that he does is we
kind of, I touched on it like hekind of hyper focuses like to
the point where he disregards everything else, like including
important tasks and his own friends for like his inventions.
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Because like in the meantime, he's trying to figure out how to
help Toothless and keep Toothless a secret.
But they're also doing the trialby fire or trial of flame or
whatever they call it, where they try to pick which of the
kids is going to be the best oneof the group.
And then their prize is killing a dragon.
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And so he. He's hyper.
What's funny is that he hyper focuses so much on his
inventions and, and so, and because he's doing that and
learning more about Toothless and Toothless is like he sees
that Dragons don't like eels. Dragons like grass, which is
basically catnip for like this kind of grass, which is
basically catnip for them. They have a, they all have a
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certain spot where they like to be scratched and everything.
And so that's what makes him, and this is like, I see it as
almost masking because he is doing the best in these little
these little group exercises about like training.
They're trying to kill Dragons, but looks like he's he's really
controlling the dragon when he'sjust kind of basically being
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nice to the Dragons. And so they don't see it.
He's basically masking what he learned with Toothless.
But they see it as, oh, he's finally coming around to like
what we want to do. And like, for like, obviously
Astrid, I think Astrid's a little bit autistic too, because
she's like, everything has to be.
This is like a certain set of rules.
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Everything has to be perfect. Everything has to be like, she's
very orderly type of person. And she's very hyper focused on
her goal. Yeah.
And so. And she immediately, like,
zeroes in on hiccups being suspicious.
So I think she's like, Hiccup was the worst of the Vikings and
now all of a sudden he's the best.
I don't buy it. And so, yeah, he eventually
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follows him and finds him in Toothless.
But, and, and originally, like the group of kids all ostracized
Hiccup, they, they think he's lame, like you're only this far
because your dad's the chief andstuff like that.
And but then once they see once he masks enough to make it seem
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like he's actually really good at controlling Dragons, they all
decide to be his friend now. Like originally he was always
left out. Like they would all sit and eat
lunch together or study togetherand he was always sitting at the
other table by himself. But then once he became a quote
UN quote good Viking, then they all wanted to be his friend.
Yeah, yeah, it's AII. Forgot how much I enjoyed that
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movie. Yeah, it's really good.
Just. Watching those little clips, but
yeah, the whole, like the whole village thinks he's nuts 'cause
he can't, he's not more than anything.
He's like, he's basically a Maurice, like the Bell's dad
from Beauty and the Beast. Crazy old Maurice A and Space.
He wants to do everything the exact opposite of what he's been
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taught. And he also just kind of refuses
to conform to what he feels likeeveryone wants him to be because
he's tried so hard to do it and has failed that he's just sort
of given up trying to be what everyone wants him to be and
starts to be who he wants to be.And I think that that
relationship plays out or that narrative plays out with his
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relationship with Toothless, because he should have killed
that dragon and instead he made it his fucking best friend.
So and learned how to write it, you know, and control it.
And they're and he's proving that the narrative that they've
been sold their entire life is false.
It's false. And so he's kind of breaking
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like he's breaking generational bullshit at the same time, like
he's he's starting a new era forand does start a new era for the
Vikings in that in Berk is wherethey're from to look at things
differently. He invites everyone in that
world to look at these things differently.
Just, and that's I think what what can be so wonderful about
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someone who is neurodivergent, who thinks differently, who
looks things differently? Like a new perspective.
Yeah, it's what's missed a lot. And we're often dismissed as the
people who are, we're non conformist or we're just being
pedantic or we're just, we're being difficult for difficult.
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When we ask clarifying questions, we're we're what is
the word I'm looking for? My brain's not working.
I'm sorry. When we're asking clarifying
questions now, we're being condescending.
Or being argumentative. Yeah, or we're being
argumentative or we're trying topush our our beliefs on other
people or whatever the hell thatis.
And it's like I, I really hate that it has to be that way.
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Because I feel like if anyone took 5 minutes to just really
sit down and understand, like how our brains work, they would
understand that the things that they're accusing us of are the
exact opposite of the things we're actually trying to
achieve. And sometimes that can be worked
through with how we present the things we want to present.
But a lot of times it's not something that's ever going to
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be much different. We, we present how we present
for a reason. We are different because we are
meant to be. And maybe we're meant to be
different because we're meant toshow the world there's a
different way of doing things. And I, I truly believe that I've
always, I've always believed that that these, these brains
are made this way because they're meant to make change in
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the world. And it's frustrating when it's
pushed back on because it just isn't what's convenient for
other people or it's not socially acceptable or whatever.
I feel like there is starting tobe a little bit of a shift in
that the more that this is talked about on social media and
the more the people start to understand.
But I do still think we have a long way to go as a society to
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go from wanting to kill Dragons to befriending them.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, because even narrative
like before his dad accepted himafter it was like the scene, the
scene after he cut Toothless loose and figured out he
couldn't kill him, he goes back to his dad and his dad, like up
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until this point, up until like probably the very end of the
movie, he did not. He wouldn't.
He would talk over Toothless. He would not listen to him or or
Hiccup. He would not listen to him.
He would basically instill like what he wanted for Hiccup on him
without hearing what Hiccup wanted.
So originally Hiccup when he basically kind of like burned
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part of the village down when all the Dragons were attacking
him, and that was when he knocked Toothless out of the
sky. He messed up by burning 1
burning one of the buildings down.
But, and his dad got super mad at him, understandably, because,
you know, he did 'cause propertydamage.
But, and so, and then he and, and Hiccup tries to mask by
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saying, you know, when I just see it.
And his dad doesn't believe thathe knocked the night free of the
sky because no one else saw it. And so he and, and Hiccup goes,
you know, when I just see a dragon, I just, I just have to
kill it, you know, I just, I gotta, you know, you know,
obviously that's a lie. And so then the scene, he goes
and freeze, Toothless comes backbecause he told his dad, yeah, I
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want to try to kill Dragons. And his dad's like super happy
about it. And then he goes back to his
dad. He goes, he's like, I can't kill
Dragons and you and his dad's like, no, you're you should be
ill, but you just get some need some training goes no, I really
can't kill Dragons. Like I know for a fact I cannot
kill Dragons. It's not, it's not a skill
issue. It's not Skhilish too.
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It's a moral issue. Basically like I it's, it's like
trying if someone like really wants to be vegetarian or vegan
and like their families, like no, you will eat meat and like,
no, I can't eat meat. Like I literally like I can't
have it in meat to to eat meat, that sort of thing.
And so his dad and his dad talksover, he's like, no, you'll do
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this training. Like we basically most of the
adults are gonna go, we're gonnabe leaving to find the Dragon's
nest and you kids are gonna stayhere and do dragon training and
stuff. And he goes this and he goes, he
goes deal and then pick ups. Like I feel like this
conversation is very one sided. And then in the stoic is like
deal and he goes, OK, fine, deal.
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And so like, he does it, but he purposely and he he kind of like
messes up dragon training. Gobber is the name of the of the
dad's friend, the blacksmith Gobber.
And he's trying to like ask Gobber questions about Dragons
in the middle of the Dragons attacking them.
And then the Gobber doesn't wantto hear it either.
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And what was so funny is when Stoic and the rest when Stoic
and the rest of the adults come back to to the back to the town
after they couldn't find the Dragon's nest and he comes
everyone in the and everyone that stayed behind was like, oh,
you should be so relieved, Stoic.
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Everyone's so happy. You know, now that now the
hiccup is gone or something likethat, You know, like now the old
Hiccup is gone. And so, and, and at first it
doesn't seem like he's very concerned, like he almost like
smiles, like wait. And so they kind of make it seem
like Hiccup died or something. And but then Gobber's like, no,
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he he's just the best at dragon training class and Hiccup and
soaks like what my son? You're talking about my son,
right? Hiccup, He he's the best at
everything. And so then when he does like
the dragon train, like the trialby flame and ends up and Hiccup
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tries to show everybody we don'thave to kill them.
We can just here let me show you.
And Stoic just still doesn't believe him and tries to
interfere and Spooks the dragon which then causes him to start
attacking pickup which then Toothless hears it from where
he's hiding and comes to rush in.
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And then everything obviously all Hells breaks loose.
And then they capture Toothless and try to and then try try to
use him to find the Dragon's nest.
But it's like because Stoic didn't listen to him, he and
even to the point where he said he told, he told Hiccup that you
put everyone in danger. What really was stoked to put
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everyone in danger? Because if he just listened to
Hiccup for once in his life and he's the one that you know and
stoked the one that spooked the dragon that caused him to then
caused the dragon to attack people.
Then he tells Hiccup, you're notmy son.
And so and then like walks away from him because he's just
basically done and then takes Toothless to go find the
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Dragon's nest. And because Hiccup is not the
best at explaining things and and trying to get his thought
thoughts out, which is very neurodivergent.
He's not very good at explaininga lot.
He's not very good at being verydirect type of thing.
Like he is trying to like almostlike beat her on the Bush and
but is also his dad is very, youknow, he's like his name.
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He's very stoic, does not want to listen to a single thing his
son has to say. He's like, it's basically his
way or the highway. Yeah, sort of mentality.
But basically Hiccup then trainsall the other kids about how to
ride Dragons to go basically go save because the adults he tries
to tell his dad like, but there's like a huge dragon
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there. You won't be able to kill it.
It's like basically as big as a mountain type of thing and tries
to save him, but then they don'tlet they won't listen to him.
And so him and the other kids have to like basically take it
upon themselves to save all the adults and to save the rest of
the Dragons and like Toothless and stuff.
And so basically he uses like creative problem solving and
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fast tracks them to become dragon riders like him.
Like he basically created like aguide on how to become a dragon
rider and used him his knowledgeand experience to get them to do
it. Yeah, and had his dad just
listened, maybe this shit wouldn't have been so bad.
It's. Like I wouldn't, it wouldn't
have been a movie. We understand that.
We're not saying that he should have listened because like we
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understand the movie, the drama has to happen for the movie to
happen. But it's also like, it's just
very, it's very relatable in thefact of like it's an authority
figure or a parental figure not listening to their child when
their child has something constructive to say, something
that would actually benefit not not only like just themselves or
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even the parent, but like everybody in the village.
Yeah, because often, I mean not,not all the time.
Again, we're not a monolith likewe like to say, but often when
we do think about different waysto do things, it's not just for
the betterment or the ease or the comfortability of ourselves.
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We're thinking about how does this happen as a whole?
Like what is what is this going to affect?
How's this going to affect everyone as a whole?
Like this helping me could also in turn help other people,
right? And it's just like when.
When he's a justice type of thing, yeah.
Yeah, and it's like, also, he doesn't think it's right to kill
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Dragons. He's seen what is really going
on and he's seen what no one else is seeing.
And he's trying to tell them like, hey, look, you've got it
wrong. Like I've seen it, you've got it
wrong. And they're like, how could this
dumb kid know anything, right? It's I don't know, it's just a
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damn good movie. If you haven't seen How to Train
Your Dragon, go watch it. Yeah, the whole whole trilogy is
great. They will they will make you
cry. And I when I watched the live
action and she said like the flying scene, the flying scene,
like maybe tear up and everything.
And then it just the whole like it just gave me chills.
Like it's like it has probably like the top three like flying
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scenes of any movie. Like another one would be the
Rescuers down under has another really good flying scene.
But I'm, I remember even seeing like the original, the first
like animated movie in theaters and thinking like, damn, whoever
the composer is, which I know now is John Powell.
It's like he really did not haveto go that hard for kids.
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But he did he. Did, and we love him for it.
Yes, we do. Well, ma'am, do you have any
more thoughts on this matter? Nope, like I said, this is just
a head cannon thing because there's like a lot of traits you
can put and and as we said before, it's it's like the dose
makes the poison type of thing. Like we understand there's a lot
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of neotypical people that do stuff are like I well,
neotypical people are like, oh, I have this hobby.
Does that mean I hyper focus of ADHD or like I like orderly
things that mean I have autism? No, that's all we're saying that
we're just saying like this is like at least for me personally,
like Hiccup just head for me andmy head cannon.
Is it just especially watching the live action version last
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week. I just everything off the
everything he did or said. I'm like God, you're my little
neurodivergent baby, you poor little thing.
All right. Well, I guess this was a Shorty.
That's fine. Let's get to the.
Let's get. Maybe that's the key.
We just don't say it's going to be short.
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Yeah. We don't.
We don't make promises we can't keep.
You know right, all right, well,if you're sticking around for
fun and fuckery, we have AI think we're doing a question
today. Yeah, question.
So we're going to put a little question and have another little
Chitty chat chat about nothing or something.
Who knows if you're not stickingaround, all the podcasty things
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would be great. We would like other people to
know we exist, please and thank you.
All right, let's hit the fun andfucker.
Here we go. All right, we're back.
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Yeah, I like, so like we said, Iwas at Nikki's house from last
Thursday, today's Wednesday. And so I was across last
Thursday until Monday. And, and I'm looking at your,
your background, which I helped help finish putting up for her.
And I like the shelves, which obviously none of you can see,
so you have no idea what I'm talking about.
(36:27):
But I I do like how they turned out they look.
Really nice. If you come over to the gaming
channel, if we get to record andsomething else, you'll get to
see it. But yeah, we spent a good couple
days in the office sort of rearranging things.
Most of what you can't see is most of what my husband has,
which was the main thing that needed to be organized and fixed
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up is on the wall that I'm facing.
But what you can see is all my little knickknacks and well, you
can't see. But on the gaming channel you
will in the future. All my pretty knickknacks and
whatnots and things. So yeah.
And then eventually a futon moved back there as well, where
we will set Bob Bobby Bones. Or do we name him Billy Bones?
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Because Bobby Bones is definitely an Internet
personality or like a radio talkshow host.
He was on Dancing With Stars. So we can't name him Bobby
Bones. Whatever the fuck the skeleton's
name is that I bought last October.
We'll set him on the couch to hang out with us on the Gaming
Channel. So that's what you want to see
(37:31):
over there. Then go do that.
But we have to record some new shit first 'cause everything
that's going up currently is alllike from a fucking year ago.
So. Yeah.
It's fine. Everything's fine.
It's fine. Yeah, but we had fun.
Like I said, been in my feels. It's been, it's been a rough
couple weeks. I don't know what the fuck's
going on. Probably all the the planets and
(37:54):
the world fucking domination anddestruction that's going on
right now. Like what?
What's that saying? It's like I need I need a a girl
with a nose ring and crystals totell me which planet is making
me sad and that the. Repo.
I know exactly what it is. It's Earth.
Earth is making me sad. Earth is making me sad.
But also the moon is in Cancer and that's very watery and
(38:14):
emotional and can make you in inyour feels, so.
And it's a new moon tonight. It's on your chart too.
Just depends on your chart. And it's a new moon tonight.
Yup. New moon.
So it just depends on your chartpeople.
That's fine. All right, let's do a question.
I'm doing a little shuffly shuffle 'cause they were sort of
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pre shuffled anyway, we just putthem all on my desk where they
were all over the place. My nose is so itchy, man.
Close mine. We're probably going to hate
several of these. OK, I mean, this is fitting,
actually. We're going to roll it.
We're going to roll it. If you could have any actor or
actress play you in a movie, whowould it be?
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Aubrey Plaza. Yeah.
Me and Aubrey Plaza don't look anything alike.
It's just because. Personality wise.
Personality wise we she could definitely do that.
Like she's more like dry, like more probably a lot more dry
than I am, a lot more stoic thanI am.
But she, I just always think like I replies I need someone
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like that's, that's like awkwardbut also kind of dark at the
same time. And she kind of does that, at
least in her Parks and Recreation character.
Obviously I don't know how she is in real.
I don't know how much she is in real life.
I feel like she is the same 'cause I feel like she just, she
gets type casted. She plays like the same kind of
character and everything, so which is fine.
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Something wrong with that. But like, she was in Agatha all
along and she was in Legion, andlike I said, she was in Parks
and Rec and plus a million otherthings.
So, so. But yeah, our Plaza, that one's
easy for me. I don't know, I have no idea.
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I'm so bad with actresses and actors, but I don't know who
would you pick to play me. Oh, it's like, OK, it's I'm
trying to go like like physically.
It's like, if do we want to do physically?
Do we want to do personality wise, like a personality?
They tend to, they tend to be. And now of course, it's like
(40:29):
that time. It's like where I can't think of
a single actor. I mean, I'm thinking, well, I
said the other day that I sort of feel personality wise like
like a like Wednesday Adams and Enid like.
Combined. I, I'm kind of a like, that's
kind of how we set up my shelvesbehind me too, is like, on one
side is my bright, happy Disney shit, My other side is my
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Maleficent, witchy hocus pocus shit.
So like, I feel like I'm very much that sort of person.
So I'm trying to think of an actress who's like, really good
at doing both. Both Yeah, and I'm probably
we're probably going to get roasted for this because I'm
sure people are listening, goingthis person.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I have not a fucking clue. These are not things I think
about all the time. So I would not have an actual
answer for this. I don't know, maybe maybe it's
Jennifer Coolidge, but also. How about like, like Jennifer
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Lawrence? Because she's very awkward.
Like whenever you watch her in interviews she's very like,
awkward. Jennifer Lawrence yes, I love
that. Yes, like the whole my dress is
broken. And then or like she or she
walked up to like that, that thing.
And then like she walked up to the microphone and then like
people were like looking at her.I don't know what they were
(41:57):
doing. You're like what she was
supposed to do. She just kind of looks.
So you go, she goes, wait, what?What am I supposed to do?
Huh? And she's, she's really like
awkward and obviously like sometimes.
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Yeah, that one, yeah. It's so I feel like, yeah,
Jennifer Lawrence like because she she's played like not like
dark characters, but more like dramatic.
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Like she played Katniss Everdeen, she played Mystique,
but then she also plays like kind of like really kooky hair,
like Silver Linings Playbook. She kind of played like kind of
like out there characters. So she can do both I think.
Yeah, I'm, I'm so down for that.That's that's a wonderful
answer. That's that's a great answer.
We're going to roll with that. Well, I don't know if we got
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anything else. Yeah, I think, I think both.
Our brains are a little Frick crispy fried.
Which which we say that every time, but like we like I said,
it's yesterday, she asked me. She goes, how are how are your
spoons doing lady? Like how many how many do you
have? I was like probably like 1 1/2
and she goes Yikes. Yeah, I'm, I'm currently working
with about 1 1/2 as well. Like I'm more brain fried now
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than I think I've been in a verylong time and I don't really
have a very good reason for it. I really don't, other than being
informed right now is very, verystressful to me for many
reasons, but it's wearing on me,so I hope everyone's doing OK.
Genuinely, if things are gettingtoo overwhelming, I have to
(43:29):
remind myself like, just log off, OK?
Log off, get off social media, get off fucking breaking news.
It's going to keep breaking, allright?
It's going to keep breaking. It's not going to stop breaking.
So if being informed is extra hard right now, just maybe take
a little break and then resume when you feel like you've got
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your feet back underneath you. Yeah, like, like I've said
before, like social media is a mistake. e-mail, I use social
media. It's like social media is a
mistake. But also like even before that,
the 24 hour news cycle is a mistake.
Like was a mistake. Like before, before the 1990's,
the 24 hour news cycle was not athing.
No. So it was always like you either
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got your news like the 6:00 or the 10:00 or whatever.
It was the 5:00 and the 10:00 and that was it.
Yeah, it's got a bit stressed the fuck out.
So we're just not going to. We're just not going to anymore.
Yeah. We love you guys.
Thanks for hanging out. And we will catch you out.
Fucking hell, that hurt you justjam my elbow.
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Rude. Anyway, we'll catch you next
week for a nympho dump. It's the minder's turn.
Yeah, so, so, yeah, we're going to, we're going to hit you with
a nympho dump next week. All right, We love you all.
Catch you next week. I'll go to.
Bye. Bye.
Fucking maybe. God damn mouse.
Hi there Amander. Well, hi.
Like I didn't just spend like 5 days with you.
I know like literally 2 days agoI just got back from being at
her house from for four days. Five days.
However many days time is time is illusion.
Yep, it was fun. We had fun, we did things.
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Yeah, we'll talk about it on theother side.
But hi, we're a podcast. I'm Nikki and that's Amanda.
Say hi, Amanda. Hi, Amanda.
We're just two neurodivergent best friends travelling the
neuroverse together 'cause we'reliving in a neurotypical world
and we are not neurotypical girls.
Amanda. Yes.
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What we talking about today? Today it's another part in our
series of neurodiversity or neurodivergence in media like
this is all head cannon to us. These aren't necessarily
characters that are explicitly like autistic, ADHD, what have
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you, but ones that we see sometimes see a little bit of
ourselves in and just kind of resonate with.
So this this episode is about Hiccup.
I think it's full names like Hipic, Hiccup Horrendous,
Haddock, the third, I think it'sfull name, but he from how to
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train your dragon. So we're talking talking from
him about particularly the firstone, because right now the when
this episode goes up, the the live action remake of the
original movie, the original animated movie is still in
theaters. And I think Nikki said, Nikki
told me she's she's only seen she thinks she's only seen the
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first one, the first, the first animated of the trilogy.
And I've seen all of them. But now I've seen I've seen all
of the original animated ones. And now I, I did see the live
action last week. So, and it's it, that's, this is
what gave me the idea is becauseas, because I hadn't seen the
movie, the original in a very long time.
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And this was was before I had seen like before I had come to
terms with this. Well, maybe I am neurodivergent.
And so I saw a lot of traits in Hiccup, like of myself in
Hiccup. And so this is like I said, this
is kind of head cannon. We're not diagnosing him or
anything. It's just kind of like a fun
little segment we like to do of neurodiversity characters that
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we that we've noticed. Because things that autistic and
neurodivergent, ADHD people, whatever you want to say, do are
things that all humans do. It's just we do them to a degree
in which it can affect our life or experiences to agree we
experience things differently than other people, but it
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they're all human experiences still.
So that's why it's easy to see things that like, oh, I resonate
with that. I do that all the time in
characters because it's a human experience, right?
Same thing goes for neurodivergence in characters
because it's, it's still a humanexperience.
So yeah, that's what we're goingto talk about today.
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I'm going to half ass let her lead with this.
I it's been a long time since I watched the movies.
I did watch a little like compilation of like some of the
best scenes. I do remember quite a bit from
the first movie, but it has beena while since I've seen it.
It's more so fresh in your brainand you took the liberty of
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putting a bunch of notes in here.
So thank you. So we're going to, we're going
to do that. And yeah, it's it's just going
to be, it's going to be probably, I don't know.
We always say it's probably going to be a short one and then
ends up being an hour anyway. So we're just not even going to
go there. Let's just let's get into it.
What do you want to talk about? What do you, what do you, what
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do you want to start this with? Talk to us about Hiccup.
Well, so first of all, it's evenlike his dad Stoic, who is
played by Jared Butler both in the live action and in the
animated. But he he even says like and
this is what kind of like made me think about it.
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He as he's talking to his friendand I, I'm quoting him.
It said he doesn't listen. He has the attention span of a
Sparrow. I take him fishing and he goes
hunting for trolls. So I feel like obviously
attention span big issue for ADHD people.
So I'm more, I'm like, I originally was leaning towards
Hiccup having ADHD with like a touch of the Chism.
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So we could just call him like Audi, Audi HD.
So because he has a suit like a hyper interest, which is like
Dragons inventing whatever 'cause he, he's different than
other Vikings in that they all want to kill Dragons.
They're all supposed to be like rough and tough and everything.
And he he just, it's basically he's kind of like Loki, like of
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the Thor, like of the Thor and the warriors 3 type of thing.
Like they all want to be a warrior and like sword and
shield type of characters. And he's more of the like
inventive type. So he he spends his time in like
the, I think what's it's like a blacksmithing, like he's an
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apprentice for the blacksmith. I think he's a blacksmith is the
is his dad's friend and I can't remember the dad's friend's
name, so apologize. But he's, he's an apprentice
blacksmith and but he just spends a lot of his time
inventing and but he does use one of his inventions and he's
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able to take down the night Fury, which ends up being
toothless, right. So no one else, no other Vikings
was able to take or even like see a night Fury or take down a
night Fury or anything. But because of his invention, he
was able to take down a night Fury that no one else was able
to take down. So he so I think that's kind of
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like like kind of showing like being different isn't bad.
You know, it's like because everyone else is the same like
none of them have been able to take down the ultimate dragon
like he was able to. So what do you like?
What do you think about that? Like do you remember that that
scene where he was at least in live?
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I don't remember what it what itlooks like.
I think it's the same in the in the animate.
I think the animate is very close to live action, but in the
live action he uses like a giantcrossbow like ballista looking
thing is how he's toothless. Yeah, and doesn't like it wraps
him up right, like in a bunch oflike rope.
And then he goes and tracks him down and finds where he is and
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then realizes that, like, when he sees him, he's like, gonna
like, do the whole thing where I'm gonna kill him.
And he's like, I, I can't kill this thing.
And he ends up cutting him loose.
Yeah. And he feels like a
disappointment to like his, his dad, his basically his entire
culture, his society. He's like, 'cause he even says
later, like anyone else would have killed him.
He's like he tells Astrid and he's like, anyone else would
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have killed him. I don't know why I couldn't kill
him. I'm just a bad Viking.
And so she's like, yeah. And she actually, she's like,
well, yeah, you, you are, but that's OK.
And so it's, it's OK that you are.
She's like, yeah, anyone, any one of us would have killed him,
but you didn't. So.
And I'm so glad he didn't 'causehe's the cutest little thing
ever and I love toothless. Yeah, 'cause he, I, and I even
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looked after. I remember I remember seeing the
original the original animated one in theaters and I was like
Toothless reminds me of Stitch from LILO.
And stitch and. I looked, I looked up, it's the
same, some of the same people that worked on that movie.
I don't know if it's the director or with the animator.
I want to say like one of the animators, the animated Stitch
and like maybe a director or a writer worked on Lilo and Stitch
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also did the animated did the live or said sorry did How to
train your dragon. Which what's cool is that in the
trilogy, the trilogy of How to train your Dragon has the same
director as the live action one does.
So same director to do. And yeah, yeah, yeah, that.
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Was his his first and that was his first live action movie.
But so yeah, basically he tries for years to like fit in with
his village, but then he learns to use his differences to help
and then eventually like he saves everybody because he bonds
with Toothless and everything. And, and, and I saw when I was
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looking up like on Reddit and like Tumblr and stuff, like
people who also saw ADHD or autism into or in a hiccup, they
also was like, and Toothless is kind of autistic too, because
he's also different. He like he tries to mimic people
like they're like he when when he tries to mimic hiccup smile
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and he doesn't and because he doesn't know what to do and so
and he he doesn't want to be touched at first, he it takes a
little bit to warm up to him. I mean, I mean Toothless is
basically a giant cat. Like that's any time I see
people like when people talk about like if if they watched
the movie for the first time, they're like, oh, he's a giant
cat. And I feel like all cats are a
little a little bit autistic. So I mean, you can art fight
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with me. He wants big cat vibes for sure.
Yeah, he's, he's, he's definitely a big cat.
He's more cat than dog. And so and so I and so one of
the posts I saw was that they thought that that Toothless was
a little bit autistic. So like, let me see one of these
that said, yeah, it said, so this is from Tumblr.
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A person her the handle is Lila Hammer, Lila Hammar.
It's just still like, OK, peopleare asking for more.
I'll add a little bit. I can honestly do a whole essay
on this. They said, first of all, I don't
think this reading this. Basically they're talking about
how what they think that like about Hiccup and Toothless.
It said. I don't think this reading this
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is reading as much of A stretch considering Chris Sanders and
Dean Debloe previously directed Lilo and Stitch.
That movie is clearly about neurodivergence and Lilo is
definitely autistic. It's if you look at the film
with the ADHD autistic analysis of mine, certain parts become
even more emotional. For example, I guess in the
second the Oh yeah, the forbidden friendship scene,
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which they're drawing in the dirt says Hiccup is stemming
slash engaging in a special interest by doodling Toothless.
Toothless notices, and even though he doesn't fully
understand it, he makes still makes an effort to join in.
They get closer, both literally and figuratively, by sharing an
activity that's important to Hiccup.
Then, at the end of the scene, Hiccup reaches out to touch
Toothless, but he flinches away.It isn't until Hiccup turns his
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gaze away and holds out his hand, removing the pressure of
eye contact and lying Toothless to approach him on his own
terms. They finally make contact, so
they become friends, meeting each other at the level that's
most comfortable for each of them respectively.
So yeah, so that's like, that's another little thing that and
they also noted like, well, whatI did is like Hiccup has the
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attention span of a Sparrow, struggles with this filter, has
a special interest slash hyperfixation on Dragons.
Toothless is touch avoidant, takes well to warm up, tries his
best to make others friendly gestures even though he doesn't
fully understand them. They're both socially rejected
until they find out they find each other and realize they can
communicate and understand each other far easier than they were
able to with their peers. And so, so basically they got,
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they've got the 2, two neurodivergent people in the
village just hooked up and became the ultimate power duo,
you know? Yeah, Yeah, I think that
definitely speaks to the neurodivergent experience
because I don't know about you, but I, I feel like I have always
found it easier to relate to people who are also
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neurodivergent in some way. Because when we're talking like
the squirrel moments, don't theydon't get upset when you
squirrel, they don't get upset if you interrupt because you're
excited about something. And like they don't, you know,
you can, you can relate on things how certain things are
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more difficult for you than theymight be for neurotypical
people. And like there's just a level of
understanding that happens in that space that I don't think is
as easy to get outside of a neurotypical, like outside of a
neurodivergent community. At least that's been my own
personal experience. I'm sure there are lots of
people who are neurodivergent who have wonderful neurotypical
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friends and family. But I have always struggled with
friendships and weird like enough.
The ones that have lasted the longest is because we both got
in touch with the tism. So you know, and my autism don't
irritate your autism. So that's why we've been friends
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for 20 fucking years. So like it just it's, it does
speak to like a bigger, a biggerexperience.
That is, it's, I think it's something that most
neurodivergent people will shareis just that difficulty feeling
like you don't fit in, feeling like nobody understands you.
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And then you find this one person or thing or community
where you feel seen and heard and loved for the first time.
And the things that are weird about you in your community,
where you currently are are not weird to this community.
And you start to realize that there are other people like you
or that you found something thatyou're so deeply connected to
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that makes you feel alive again.And like, you matter and like
you're making a difference. And it's, it's such a cool thing
to see. The one of the scenes that I
watched today was that one wherethey first are trying to like
get like it's after he had already cut him to cut him down
and they were trying to he's trying to figure out why he
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couldn't fly. He realizes he only has half his
tail thin and then he starts to like draw him and he's thinking
and then we see him make the little tail fin for him and get
closer and closer or whatever. And they learn to fly together.
And it's, it's like they're the whole thing where they're like
learning to fly together for me.Like, if you want to look deeper
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into that, as someone who's an adult watching a child's cartoon
show, it's like you found this person or this companion that
you are. So you're so mutually committed.
Yeah. Committed to each other and
wanting to see the other person be their truest and best self.
And you want to help that personbe their truest and best self.
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And your, your, what am I tryingto say?
Your skills and their skills canmeet and you can do something
wonderful with it. And you both help each other
achieve the thing that you're that makes them feel the most
like themselves or just being around that person makes you
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feel the most like yourself. You can express who you truly
are around that person. It gives you wings to fly wings
to be yourself. And you know, and it just, it
makes, it was like very heartwarming.
And I've been all in my feels this last couple weeks.
It's been a mess. But I got I always get a little
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teary eyed during the flying scene, like when they first take
off, because it's like, Oh my God, you did it Like you guys
did it, you know, and like when they finally get to the point
where they're they've got it figured out and he starts to
learn how to do it by himself without Hiccup.
And I don't know, it's just it's, it's one of those things
that if you are someone who has always struggled to fit in, you
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can definitely see how Hiccup finding this dragon, knowing
that he's supposed to kill this dragon, he's supposed to not
want to be around this dragon. Everyone's always told him that
this dragon is dangerous. Dragons are dangerous.
They're going to kill you. They just want to, you know that
you can't, they can't be reasoned with.
Their food. And they steal our food.
They kill us. Right.
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And then you realize, no, that'snot really the case.
Maybe we're the people who are making them.
Maybe we're the. Monsters.
Maybe we're the monsters exactlylike.
Yeah, I feel like that's a wholeother.
Narrative you could pull out of it, but.
Yeah, they're basically a few puzzle pieces that fit in
together because obviously to Hiccup would not be able to fly
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without Toothless and Toothless would not be able to control
flying without Hiccup because has to control the tail fin
thing. So that's like another another
thing is like basically two people working together for a
common goal. Basically, like I said, that
ends up what that's what ends upsaving their entire village once
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they find the Dragon's nest and the big the big behemoth dragon,
the big queen dragon. And eventually that's how I
mean, I'm gonna say spoilers in those movies 15 years old, but
spoilers, I guess. But like, you know, then Hiccup
ends up losing his own leg. And so so not only not only in
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our head Canon, like these are two newer division characters,
but then you have a actually very like obviously Canon
disabled characters. But like Sable like disabled in
the way that they don't let their disability hinder them.
Like they don't make it seem like not necessarily an excuse,
but they don't make it because sometimes, like when you have
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like a movie or something where the disabled character, they
kind of either infantilize them or they kind of make it like
like a super big deal type of thing.
Like, oh, they're gonna overcomethis.
His ability. Like, yeah, you overcame it.
He's like, oh, I lost my leg. Well, I guess I gotta get on
with my life. So they, and they even like
retrofitted his little stirrup thing for his new leg, for his
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like 'cause after losing his real leg.
So they like even his friends, like the blacksmith guy, he even
like helped it. Like he's like, oh, I made some
modifications to your stirrup thing.
And then then now he's able to then retrofitted it for his new
leg. And so, and then at, you know,
at the end, all the Dragons now live with them.
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And so they, they all now they all have their own Dragons and
use the Dragons to fly. So basically, like I said,
Hiccup, convince them, hey, we can stop killing these Dragons.
They're not doing this on purpose.
They're actually trying to feed this big, the big king or queen
dragon as like tribute and they can't help it like this other
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this big dragon that kills them if they don't, you know,
basically do what they said. Well, do what it says.
But like until that point, like another thing that he does is we
kind of, I touched on it like hekind of hyper focuses like to
the point where he disregards everything else, like including
important tasks and his own friends for like his inventions.
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Because like in the meantime, he's trying to figure out how to
help Toothless and keep Toothless a secret.
But they're also doing the trialby fire or trial of flame or
whatever they call it, where they try to pick which of the
kids is going to be the best oneof the group.
And then their prize is killing a dragon.
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And so he. He's hyper.
What's funny is that he hyper focuses so much on his
inventions and, and so, and because he's doing that and
learning more about Toothless and Toothless is like he sees
that Dragons don't like eels. Dragons like grass, which is
basically catnip for like this kind of grass, which is
basically catnip for them. They have a, they all have a
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certain spot where they like to be scratched and everything.
And so that's what makes him, and this is like, I see it as
almost masking because he is doing the best in these little
these little group exercises about like training.
They're trying to kill Dragons, but looks like he's he's really
controlling the dragon when he'sjust kind of basically being
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nice to the Dragons. And so they don't see it.
He's basically masking what he learned with Toothless.
But they see it as, oh, he's finally coming around to like
what we want to do. And like, for like, obviously
Astrid, I think Astrid's a little bit autistic too, because
she's like, everything has to be.
This is like a certain set of rules.
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Everything has to be perfect. Everything has to be like, she's
very orderly type of person. And she's very hyper focused on
her goal. Yeah.
And so. And she immediately, like,
zeroes in on hiccups being suspicious.
So I think she's like, Hiccup was the worst of the Vikings and
now all of a sudden he's the best.
I don't buy it. And so, yeah, he eventually
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follows him and finds him in Toothless.
But, and, and originally, like the group of kids all ostracized
Hiccup, they, they think he's lame, like you're only this far
because your dad's the chief andstuff like that.
And but then once they see once he masks enough to make it seem
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like he's actually really good at controlling Dragons, they all
decide to be his friend now. Like originally he was always
left out. Like they would all sit and eat
lunch together or study togetherand he was always sitting at the
other table by himself. But then once he became a quote
UN quote good Viking, then they all wanted to be his friend.
Yeah, yeah, it's AII. Forgot how much I enjoyed that
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movie. Yeah, it's really good.
Just. Watching those little clips, but
yeah, the whole, like the whole village thinks he's nuts 'cause
he can't, he's not more than anything.
He's like, he's basically a Maurice, like the Bell's dad
from Beauty and the Beast. Crazy old Maurice A and Space.
He wants to do everything the exact opposite of what he's been
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taught. And he also just kind of refuses
to conform to what he feels likeeveryone wants him to be because
he's tried so hard to do it and has failed that he's just sort
of given up trying to be what everyone wants him to be and
starts to be who he wants to be.And I think that that
relationship plays out or that narrative plays out with his
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relationship with Toothless, because he should have killed
that dragon and instead he made it his fucking best friend.
So and learned how to write it, you know, and control it.
And they're and he's proving that the narrative that they've
been sold their entire life is false.
It's false. And so he's kind of breaking
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like he's breaking generational bullshit at the same time, like
he's he's starting a new era forand does start a new era for the
Vikings in that in Berk is wherethey're from to look at things
differently. He invites everyone in that
world to look at these things differently.
Just, and that's I think what what can be so wonderful about
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someone who is neurodivergent, who thinks differently, who
looks things differently? Like a new perspective.
Yeah, it's what's missed a lot. And we're often dismissed as the
people who are, we're non conformist or we're just being
pedantic or we're just, we're being difficult for difficult.
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When we ask clarifying questions, we're we're what is
the word I'm looking for? My brain's not working.
I'm sorry. When we're asking clarifying
questions now, we're being condescending.
Or being argumentative. Yeah, or we're being
argumentative or we're trying topush our our beliefs on other
people or whatever the hell thatis.
And it's like I, I really hate that it has to be that way.
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Because I feel like if anyone took 5 minutes to just really
sit down and understand, like how our brains work, they would
understand that the things that they're accusing us of are the
exact opposite of the things we're actually trying to
achieve. And sometimes that can be worked
through with how we present the things we want to present.
But a lot of times it's not something that's ever going to
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be much different. We, we present how we present
for a reason. We are different because we are
meant to be. And maybe we're meant to be
different because we're meant toshow the world there's a
different way of doing things. And I, I truly believe that I've
always, I've always believed that that these, these brains
are made this way because they're meant to make change in
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the world. And it's frustrating when it's
pushed back on because it just isn't what's convenient for
other people or it's not socially acceptable or whatever.
I feel like there is starting tobe a little bit of a shift in
that the more that this is talked about on social media and
the more the people start to understand.
But I do still think we have a long way to go as a society to
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go from wanting to kill Dragons to befriending them.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, because even narrative
like before his dad accepted himafter it was like the scene, the
scene after he cut Toothless loose and figured out he
couldn't kill him, he goes back to his dad and his dad, like up
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until this point, up until like probably the very end of the
movie, he did not. He wouldn't.
He would talk over Toothless. He would not listen to him or or
Hiccup. He would not listen to him.
He would basically instill like what he wanted for Hiccup on him
without hearing what Hiccup wanted.
So originally Hiccup when he basically kind of like burned
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part of the village down when all the Dragons were attacking
him, and that was when he knocked Toothless out of the
sky. He messed up by burning 1
burning one of the buildings down.
But, and his dad got super mad at him, understandably, because,
you know, he did 'cause propertydamage.
But, and so, and then he and, and Hiccup tries to mask by
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saying, you know, when I just see it.
And his dad doesn't believe thathe knocked the night free of the
sky because no one else saw it. And so he and, and Hiccup goes,
you know, when I just see a dragon, I just, I just have to
kill it, you know, I just, I gotta, you know, you know,
obviously that's a lie. And so then the scene, he goes
and freeze, Toothless comes backbecause he told his dad, yeah, I
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want to try to kill Dragons. And his dad's like super happy
about it. And then he goes back to his
dad. He goes, he's like, I can't kill
Dragons and you and his dad's like, no, you're you should be
ill, but you just get some need some training goes no, I really
can't kill Dragons. Like I know for a fact I cannot
kill Dragons. It's not, it's not a skill
issue. It's not Skhilish too.
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It's a moral issue. Basically like I it's, it's like
trying if someone like really wants to be vegetarian or vegan
and like their families, like no, you will eat meat and like,
no, I can't eat meat. Like I literally like I can't
have it in meat to to eat meat, that sort of thing.
And so his dad and his dad talksover, he's like, no, you'll do
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this training. Like we basically most of the
adults are gonna go, we're gonnabe leaving to find the Dragon's
nest and you kids are gonna stayhere and do dragon training and
stuff. And he goes this and he goes, he
goes deal and then pick ups. Like I feel like this
conversation is very one sided. And then in the stoic is like
deal and he goes, OK, fine, deal.
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And so like, he does it, but he purposely and he he kind of like
messes up dragon training. Gobber is the name of the of the
dad's friend, the blacksmith Gobber.
And he's trying to like ask Gobber questions about Dragons
in the middle of the Dragons attacking them.
And then the Gobber doesn't wantto hear it either.
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And what was so funny is when Stoic and the rest when Stoic
and the rest of the adults come back to to the back to the town
after they couldn't find the Dragon's nest and he comes
everyone in the and everyone that stayed behind was like, oh,
you should be so relieved, Stoic.
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Everyone's so happy. You know, now that now the
hiccup is gone or something likethat, You know, like now the old
Hiccup is gone. And so, and, and at first it
doesn't seem like he's very concerned, like he almost like
smiles, like wait. And so they kind of make it seem
like Hiccup died or something. And but then Gobber's like, no,
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he he's just the best at dragon training class and Hiccup and
soaks like what my son? You're talking about my son,
right? Hiccup, He he's the best at
everything. And so then when he does like
the dragon train, like the trialby flame and ends up and Hiccup
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tries to show everybody we don'thave to kill them.
We can just here let me show you.
And Stoic just still doesn't believe him and tries to
interfere and Spooks the dragon which then causes him to start
attacking pickup which then Toothless hears it from where
he's hiding and comes to rush in.
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And then everything obviously all Hells breaks loose.
And then they capture Toothless and try to and then try try to
use him to find the Dragon's nest.
But it's like because Stoic didn't listen to him, he and
even to the point where he said he told, he told Hiccup that you
put everyone in danger. What really was stoked to put
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everyone in danger? Because if he just listened to
Hiccup for once in his life and he's the one that you know and
stoked the one that spooked the dragon that caused him to then
caused the dragon to attack people.
Then he tells Hiccup, you're notmy son.
And so and then like walks away from him because he's just
basically done and then takes Toothless to go find the
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Dragon's nest. And because Hiccup is not the
best at explaining things and and trying to get his thought
thoughts out, which is very neurodivergent.
He's not very good at explaininga lot.
He's not very good at being verydirect type of thing.
Like he is trying to like almostlike beat her on the Bush and
but is also his dad is very, youknow, he's like his name.
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He's very stoic, does not want to listen to a single thing his
son has to say. He's like, it's basically his
way or the highway. Yeah, sort of mentality.
But basically Hiccup then trainsall the other kids about how to
ride Dragons to go basically go save because the adults he tries
to tell his dad like, but there's like a huge dragon
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there. You won't be able to kill it.
It's like basically as big as a mountain type of thing and tries
to save him, but then they don'tlet they won't listen to him.
And so him and the other kids have to like basically take it
upon themselves to save all the adults and to save the rest of
the Dragons and like Toothless and stuff.
And so basically he uses like creative problem solving and
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fast tracks them to become dragon riders like him.
Like he basically created like aguide on how to become a dragon
rider and used him his knowledgeand experience to get them to do
it. Yeah, and had his dad just
listened, maybe this shit wouldn't have been so bad.
It's. Like I wouldn't, it wouldn't
have been a movie. We understand that.
We're not saying that he should have listened because like we
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understand the movie, the drama has to happen for the movie to
happen. But it's also like, it's just
very, it's very relatable in thefact of like it's an authority
figure or a parental figure not listening to their child when
their child has something constructive to say, something
that would actually benefit not not only like just themselves or
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even the parent, but like everybody in the village.
Yeah, because often, I mean not,not all the time.
Again, we're not a monolith likewe like to say, but often when
we do think about different waysto do things, it's not just for
the betterment or the ease or the comfortability of ourselves.
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We're thinking about how does this happen as a whole?
Like what is what is this going to affect?
How's this going to affect everyone as a whole?
Like this helping me could also in turn help other people,
right? And it's just like when.
When he's a justice type of thing, yeah.
Yeah, and it's like, also, he doesn't think it's right to kill
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Dragons. He's seen what is really going
on and he's seen what no one else is seeing.
And he's trying to tell them like, hey, look, you've got it
wrong. Like I've seen it, you've got it
wrong. And they're like, how could this
dumb kid know anything, right? It's I don't know, it's just a
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damn good movie. If you haven't seen How to Train
Your Dragon, go watch it. Yeah, the whole whole trilogy is
great. They will they will make you
cry. And I when I watched the live
action and she said like the flying scene, the flying scene,
like maybe tear up and everything.
And then it just the whole like it just gave me chills.
Like it's like it has probably like the top three like flying
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scenes of any movie. Like another one would be the
Rescuers down under has another really good flying scene.
But I'm, I remember even seeing like the original, the first
like animated movie in theaters and thinking like, damn, whoever
the composer is, which I know now is John Powell.
It's like he really did not haveto go that hard for kids.
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But he did he. Did, and we love him for it.
Yes, we do. Well, ma'am, do you have any
more thoughts on this matter? Nope, like I said, this is just
a head cannon thing because there's like a lot of traits you
can put and and as we said before, it's it's like the dose
makes the poison type of thing. Like we understand there's a lot
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of neotypical people that do stuff are like I well,
neotypical people are like, oh, I have this hobby.
Does that mean I hyper focus of ADHD or like I like orderly
things that mean I have autism? No, that's all we're saying that
we're just saying like this is like at least for me personally,
like Hiccup just head for me andmy head cannon.
Is it just especially watching the live action version last
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week. I just everything off the
everything he did or said. I'm like God, you're my little
neurodivergent baby, you poor little thing.
All right. Well, I guess this was a Shorty.
That's fine. Let's get to the.
Let's get. Maybe that's the key.
We just don't say it's going to be short.
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Yeah. We don't.
We don't make promises we can't keep.
You know right, all right, well,if you're sticking around for
fun and fuckery, we have AI think we're doing a question
today. Yeah, question.
So we're going to put a little question and have another little
Chitty chat chat about nothing or something.
Who knows if you're not stickingaround, all the podcasty things
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All right, let's hit the fun andfucker.
Here we go. All right, we're back.
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Yeah, I like, so like we said, Iwas at Nikki's house from last
Thursday, today's Wednesday. And so I was across last
Thursday until Monday. And, and I'm looking at your,
your background, which I helped help finish putting up for her.
And I like the shelves, which obviously none of you can see,
so you have no idea what I'm talking about.
(36:27):
But I I do like how they turned out they look.
Really nice. If you come over to the gaming
channel, if we get to record andsomething else, you'll get to
see it. But yeah, we spent a good couple
days in the office sort of rearranging things.
Most of what you can't see is most of what my husband has,
which was the main thing that needed to be organized and fixed
(36:50):
up is on the wall that I'm facing.
But what you can see is all my little knickknacks and well, you
can't see. But on the gaming channel you
will in the future. All my pretty knickknacks and
whatnots and things. So yeah.
And then eventually a futon moved back there as well, where
we will set Bob Bobby Bones. Or do we name him Billy Bones?
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Because Bobby Bones is definitely an Internet
personality or like a radio talkshow host.
He was on Dancing With Stars. So we can't name him Bobby
Bones. Whatever the fuck the skeleton's
name is that I bought last October.
We'll set him on the couch to hang out with us on the Gaming
Channel. So that's what you want to see
(37:31):
over there. Then go do that.
But we have to record some new shit first 'cause everything
that's going up currently is alllike from a fucking year ago.
So. Yeah.
It's fine. Everything's fine.
It's fine. Yeah, but we had fun.
Like I said, been in my feels. It's been, it's been a rough
couple weeks. I don't know what the fuck's
going on. Probably all the the planets and
(37:54):
the world fucking domination anddestruction that's going on
right now. Like what?
What's that saying? It's like I need I need a a girl
with a nose ring and crystals totell me which planet is making
me sad and that the. Repo.
I know exactly what it is. It's Earth.
Earth is making me sad. Earth is making me sad.
But also the moon is in Cancer and that's very watery and
(38:14):
emotional and can make you in inyour feels, so.
And it's a new moon tonight. It's on your chart too.
Just depends on your chart. And it's a new moon tonight.
Yup. New moon.
So it just depends on your chartpeople.
That's fine. All right, let's do a question.
I'm doing a little shuffly shuffle 'cause they were sort of
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pre shuffled anyway, we just putthem all on my desk where they
were all over the place. My nose is so itchy, man.
Close mine. We're probably going to hate
several of these. OK, I mean, this is fitting,
actually. We're going to roll it.
We're going to roll it. If you could have any actor or
actress play you in a movie, whowould it be?
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Aubrey Plaza. Yeah.
Me and Aubrey Plaza don't look anything alike.
It's just because. Personality wise.
Personality wise we she could definitely do that.
Like she's more like dry, like more probably a lot more dry
than I am, a lot more stoic thanI am.
But she, I just always think like I replies I need someone
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like that's, that's like awkwardbut also kind of dark at the
same time. And she kind of does that, at
least in her Parks and Recreation character.
Obviously I don't know how she is in real.
I don't know how much she is in real life.
I feel like she is the same 'cause I feel like she just, she
gets type casted. She plays like the same kind of
character and everything, so which is fine.
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Something wrong with that. But like, she was in Agatha all
along and she was in Legion, andlike I said, she was in Parks
and Rec and plus a million otherthings.
So, so. But yeah, our Plaza, that one's
easy for me. I don't know, I have no idea.
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I'm so bad with actresses and actors, but I don't know who
would you pick to play me. Oh, it's like, OK, it's I'm
trying to go like like physically.
It's like, if do we want to do physically?
Do we want to do personality wise, like a personality?
They tend to, they tend to be. And now of course, it's like
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that time. It's like where I can't think of
a single actor. I mean, I'm thinking, well, I
said the other day that I sort of feel personality wise like
like a like Wednesday Adams and Enid like.
Combined. I, I'm kind of a like, that's
kind of how we set up my shelvesbehind me too, is like, on one
side is my bright, happy Disney shit, My other side is my
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Maleficent, witchy hocus pocus shit.
So like, I feel like I'm very much that sort of person.
So I'm trying to think of an actress who's like, really good
at doing both. Both Yeah, and I'm probably
we're probably going to get roasted for this because I'm
sure people are listening, goingthis person.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I have not a fucking clue. These are not things I think
about all the time. So I would not have an actual
answer for this. I don't know, maybe maybe it's
Jennifer Coolidge, but also. How about like, like Jennifer
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Lawrence? Because she's very awkward.
Like whenever you watch her in interviews she's very like,
awkward. Jennifer Lawrence yes, I love
that. Yes, like the whole my dress is
broken. And then or like she or she
walked up to like that, that thing.
And then like she walked up to the microphone and then like
people were like looking at her.I don't know what they were
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doing. You're like what she was
supposed to do. She just kind of looks.
So you go, she goes, wait, what?What am I supposed to do?
Huh? And she's, she's really like
awkward and obviously like sometimes.
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Yeah, that one, yeah. It's so I feel like, yeah,
Jennifer Lawrence like because she she's played like not like
dark characters, but more like dramatic.
(42:19):
Like she played Katniss Everdeen, she played Mystique,
but then she also plays like kind of like really kooky hair,
like Silver Linings Playbook. She kind of played like kind of
like out there characters. So she can do both I think.
Yeah, I'm, I'm so down for that.That's that's a wonderful
answer. That's that's a great answer.
We're going to roll with that. Well, I don't know if we got
(42:44):
anything else. Yeah, I think, I think both.
Our brains are a little Frick crispy fried.
Which which we say that every time, but like we like I said,
it's yesterday, she asked me. She goes, how are how are your
spoons doing lady? Like how many how many do you
have? I was like probably like 1 1/2
and she goes Yikes. Yeah, I'm, I'm currently working
with about 1 1/2 as well. Like I'm more brain fried now
(43:07):
than I think I've been in a verylong time and I don't really
have a very good reason for it. I really don't, other than being
informed right now is very, verystressful to me for many
reasons, but it's wearing on me,so I hope everyone's doing OK.
Genuinely, if things are gettingtoo overwhelming, I have to
(43:29):
remind myself like, just log off, OK?
Log off, get off social media, get off fucking breaking news.
It's going to keep breaking, allright?
It's going to keep breaking. It's not going to stop breaking.
So if being informed is extra hard right now, just maybe take
a little break and then resume when you feel like you've got
(43:51):
your feet back underneath you. Yeah, like, like I've said
before, like social media is a mistake. e-mail, I use social
media. It's like social media is a
mistake. But also like even before that,
the 24 hour news cycle is a mistake.
Like was a mistake. Like before, before the 1990's,
the 24 hour news cycle was not athing.
No. So it was always like you either
(44:12):
got your news like the 6:00 or the 10:00 or whatever.
It was the 5:00 and the 10:00 and that was it.
Yeah, it's got a bit stressed the fuck out.
So we're just not going to. We're just not going to anymore.
Yeah. We love you guys.
Thanks for hanging out. And we will catch you out.
Fucking hell, that hurt you justjam my elbow.
(44:35):
Rude. Anyway, we'll catch you next
week for a nympho dump. It's the minder's turn.
Yeah, so, so, yeah, we're going to, we're going to hit you with
a nympho dump next week. All right, We love you all.
Catch you next week. I'll go to.
Bye. Bye.
Fucking maybe. God damn mouse.
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