The Nine Design

The Nine Design

Join a coach and a creative as they explore the nine ways we are designed to reflect the Original.

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January 20, 2026 40 mins

In Part 2 of our conversation with Nate McCord, we go around the full Enneagram circle exploring how ADHD uniquely shows up in each type.

From perfectionism and procrastination to emotional flooding, rumination, hyperfocus and creativity, Nate unpacks how ADHD often amplifies what’s already happening in our personality - for better and for worse.

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In this episode of The Nine Design, Sarina and Seth are joined by ADHD coach, Enneagram practitioner, and neurodiversity advocate Nate McCord for a rich and compassionate conversation about the ADHD brain.

Nate shares his own journey of late diagnosis, shame, and self-understanding, and helps us unpack the difference between neurodivergence and mental health. We explore executive function, dopamine regulation, emotional resilience, ...

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Sarina and Seth sit down with leadership coach and neuro-affirming practitioner Kathryn Martens, founder of Release Leadership. Kathryn shares her own recent ADHD diagnosis, her journey supporting neurodivergent leaders, and why traditional leadership models often fail those with “spicy brains.”

We talk about the rise in global neurodivergence awareness, the difference between neurodivergence and mental health, and why psychological...

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In this rich and thoughtful conversation, Sarina sits down with philosopher, author, and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast, Jeff Cook, to explore one of the most overlooked layers of the Enneagram: time orientation.

Jeff unpacks how each type takes in the world and responds to it through the past, present, or future - shaping everything from our anxieties to our relational patterns. We talk about the Head Centre, mental healt...

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What happens when life is “betwixt and in-between”? In this episode, Seth and Sarina talk with  freelance wisdom educator, pastoral supervisor, spiritual director, and Enneagram Type Five Dr Bruce Hulme about liminal spaces, reflective practice, and the Head Centre.

Bruce shares his journey through redundancy, anxiety, and deep transition, and how images like the labyrinth and chrysalis helped him discover contemplative friendship w...

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This special bonus episode features Christian psychologist Chuck DeGroat and packs a lot into just 12 minutes:

  • A brief, clear explanation of narcissism

  • A flyover of how narcissism shows up across all nine Enneagram types

  • and what Chuck has learned about narcissism since publishing When Narcissism Comes to Church (2020)

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What does true self-care look like beneath the surface?

In this conversation with Professor, Author, Therapist, and Spiritual Director Chuck DeGroat, we explore what lies beyond the quick fixes and polished versions of self-care. Chuck invites us into a deeper understanding of healing - one that begins with honesty, self-compassion, and the courage to face what’s within.

Together, we talk about the journey of coming home to God, inte...

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Ever wonder what’s really going on in your head? In this Season 5 premier episode, hosts Seth and Sarina dive into the Enneagram’s Head Centre - home to Types 5, 6, and 7. They reflect on their journey through five seasons of the podcast and explore how the thinking centre shapes our anticipation, planning, and search for security. From underlying fears to personal growth, they discuss how head types navigate life, relationships, a...

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February 13, 2024 47 mins

Have you have ever wondered what Enneagram coaching is like? Sarina gives us a special window into her enneagram coaching practice as she guides Seth through exploring Type 3's pathway to personal growth. You won't want to miss this real and revealing episode. ⁠

Sarina Sherring is the founder and director of Reflect the Original, a Coaching and Soul Care business that offers typing assessments, individual, group, couples,...

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Sarina and Seth catch up with Spiritual Director, Lecturer, Community Organiser, Spiritual Formation Educator Dr Tim McCowan. Tim shares his personal Enneagram journey, learning from Fr. Richard Rohr and embracing being a Type 2. He candidly discusses how the enneagram played a pivotal role in developing a deeper spiritual journey. You won't want to miss this uniquely insightful episode. ⁠

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Join Seth and Sarina in conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Tyler Zach as they delve into the sometimes controversial topic of whether Christians should use the enneagram. Listen as Tyler shares his thoroughly researched insights on the enneagram's origins, debunks common myths, clarifies misunderstandings, and discusses how he has reconciled his personal faith with the use of this transformational tool.⁠

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In this episode Sarina got to chat with author, speaker, emotional intelligence coach, enneagram teacher, and co-host of the Evolving Leader Podcast Scott Allender. Scott shares his insights on how aligning the framework of the Enneagram with the essential skills of emotional intelligence leads to greater personal breakthroughs in every aspect of life.⁠

Scott's book 'The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence' is availab...

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December 12, 2023 49 mins

In this episode we chat with author, speaker, podcast host, and enneagram coach Jackie Brewster about how the enneagram can be used to enhance our relationships. Discover how it cultivates empathy and compassion, fostering a stronger, more loving bond between partners. ⁠

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Join us in exploring the Enneagram's Heart Centre - Types 2, 3, and 4. Delve into themes of shame, approval, and acceptance to understand these dynamics for a more integrated self.⁠

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November 28, 2023 31 mins

Welcome to Season 4 of The Nine Design podcast!

Join us as we kick off this season with an interview our Co-Host Seth Emery had in 2021 with Tabitha from the Achievers Anonymous podcast. They explore Seth's upbringing in Papua New Guinea, examining how cultural ideas of competitiveness and wealth accumulation have shaped his journey. Discover insights from his new book, ⁠The Inner Room⁠, and gain valuable tips for navigating th...

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December 7, 2021 44 mins

Join us as we invite Brian Holden back to The Nine Design to help us respond to your questions about the Body Centre! Such a helpful episode we know you'll be sharing with your friends.⁠ 

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Join us as we bring back our Body Centre Panelists to share helpful tips for others in relationship with them, what qualities they are drawn to in others as well as insights into the value they bring and receive when in a relationship.


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December 1, 2021 49 mins

Seth and Sarina talk to a panel of Type ONES about what it's like to be them. You'll hear them open up about how they overcome some of their default behaviours like turning down the volume on their inner critic in order to show up and give the gift of their true self. You'll also hear how they experience life and relationships as Type Ones as well as some funny life stories along the way.


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Sarina and Seth interview leadership and Enneagram coach Brian Holden, who also happens to be an Enneagram type 8! Join us as we hear a little of his story, how he discovered the Enneagram, his experience as a leadership coach, pastor and church planter and his passion to help others grow with an emphasis on spiritual formation, discipleship and leadership development. We hope you enjoy this special episode.


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November 23, 2021 44 mins

Seth and Sarina talk to a panel of type Eights about what it's like to be them. You'll hear them open up about how they overcome some of their default behaviours like exerting power and challenging others in order to practice vulnerability and show their true self. You'll also hear how they experience life and relationships as Type Eights as well as some funny life stories along the way.


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