TNCSSP S4 EP 150 | Men's & Women's Final 4 Predictions | March 19, 2025

Join the No Cap Sports Show crew as we discuss current sports events, including the LeBron James/Stephen A. Smith confrontation, NFL signings/draft projections, and the NBA playoff picture....TNCSSP QOTD: Give us your Men's & Women's Final 4 Predictions?? #tncssp #wheresportsandconvoscollide #dopesportspodcast #nflfreeagency2025 #marchmadness2025 #nba #lebron #stephenasmith

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the No Catch Sports, your podcast with sports
and Cowbos Collide. I'm your host of Kobra.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm your host more Money. What's up more nothing, Big doll,
what's up with you?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Nothing? Man? You know me, this my this is my
favorite time of the year, March madness. You know, so
you know this just the time of the year you
start getting sick, you know, got doctor's appointments so you
can stay home and watch them early games.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Absolutely, man, And it looks like it's gonna be a
good year this year. You know, a lot of perry.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm and look I'm excited for it,
for for both the men's and women's side.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Right, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Sometimes, you know, sometimes I ain't gonna lie. I get
get a little bit more excited watching the women play.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Not not not sometimes most of the time. Most of
the time, I'm looking forward to seeing potential Juju Watkins
usc game Cock matchup or Yukon and a Juju matchup
page Becker's Yeah, I couldn't tell you too many players
on the men's side that I would be excited to see.

(01:11):
It's no matchup like that in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, but what I will say, what I will say,
compared to last year and maybe even the year before,
the men's side is more a little bit more intriguing.
I think. I think it's I think we have some
talented teams out there, some talented players, and it's one
of those years where, man, you probably can pick ten

(01:38):
or ten teams or more that could win the whole thing.
Like the parody is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I can agree with that. I can I can agree
with that. I just think that for the first time
in a long time, and it's happened in women's basketball before,
but the stars are in the women's game. We know
that the household names the superstars. I think in the
college game we might have like one real true superstar.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well you got what you get, you got like Cooper
Flag and then where you go from there? You know
what I mean? Well, well, boy, were the boys from Rutgers,
but they not. But they still don't have the buzz
that Cooper Flag has.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Nah or Juju or Page Becker's. Yeah, I mean, those girls,
you can go anywhere in the world, they gonna know
who Juju is right now.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Fact, I think, look, she got the and I know
we're gonna talk about about the n C DOAA tournament
a little bit later. But I mean, while we're on
the subject, I think Juju has the potential to be
maybe the best women's player ever.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
No doubt, no doubt. I know they talk about like
Cheryl Miller and some of the other females that came
along before Color TV. Well I'm sitting it was Maya
Moore the whole slow and that she does it all
and she does it at a little better rate, maybe
because it's an evolution, but does it all? Man, there's

(03:10):
really no holes in her game.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah. Yeah. When when I started paying like real, really
close attention to women's basketball, this was doing the Houston
Commas era, you know what I mean. They had Ryl Swooth,
Cynthia Cooper, and Tina Thompson. So so you know, I
did get to see some great ones and can't forget
about the great least or Leslie out there in l A.

(03:32):
So so I did get to see some great ones play.
But man, looking at this this new crop of ball player,
they different, bro, they are just Juju. You got Kitlyn, Yeah,
you got Page Becker's coming out. My girl, uh asy

(03:54):
fund is healthy about it because she's been injured. But
you know, she she's back. And then you gotta key
Keith Rice out there in U c l A. I
mean it's and then you got the whole crap that
just made it made it to the w n B
A last year, that's doing that thing, Andrew Reese included.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And then you got the superstars who's holding it down?
What's up, big dog? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Baby?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I know you had to go buy some merch because
they didn't spend all that damn money. You gotta give
them some money back.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Hey, I just got back from Cincinnat. Hey look, your
Chase and Ti Higgins had a party. Man, we did
get big.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Hey, look you got that you about one nain't signed
to a long term then, hey.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Hey, no, because I've been signed since two thousand and two,
two thousand and three, Bud, I've been signed.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I he signed a two oh three. Yeah, okay, I
did it. I did a twenty year contract. Fact.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Salute, salute to your loyalty, because it ain't been pretty
all the Yeah salute though.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta salute that.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'm locked in. Hey man, look here, Brocinnati.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Baby, yeah, not at all. We've been trash, brother, but
go ahead, though, man, what y'all talking about?

Speaker 1 (05:33):
No, we were just we were just rapping about, uh,
the state of women's college basketball and women's basketball and
in general, how you know, how how it's how the
game stepped up, and how you know, watching them may
be more exciting than watching the man. And we just
talked about they have these marquee players. Now, these these

(05:55):
these household names, like when you when we talk about
college basketball, it's not too many household names. And on
the men's side, but you know, you know, the superstar
players on the women's side.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Oh, no question about no question about about it. Go ahead, man,
go ahead. I'm I'm I'm I'm here. So I'm just
listening in for a second. I literally just got off
the road my young boy, Colin. If you're watching, man,
I just me and Colin just was working together doing
some work. Salute to you if you watch. I told

(06:29):
him tune into the show man. He said he was
gonna check the show out. So I don't know if
you're watching or that, but I told him to tune in.
Shout out to.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Go ahead, yes, sir. So now we're just say you
ain't missed nothing. We're just warming up, man, just just
chopping it up a little bit. But you know, while
we're on the topic of talking NFL and and free
agent signings. Man, let's let's let's jump in right into it.
Uh hold on, let me bring poom me in. What's up?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Pool, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Ain't not way?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Salute money, Moby.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It was going on, big poom baby and look and
look find just hey me and Ol was talking about
it last night. Man, it's been so long since we
all been together and just got the wrap with just us.
You know, I know we may have a guest every
week and then you know, some of us have other
things going on and couldn't couldn't make the show. But man,
we all here, man, and man, I'm looking forward to

(07:28):
this show absolutely alway alway yep. So let's we was
just about to jump into We was talking a little
NFL poom So we're just about to jump into this
this free agent before the free agency, before the draft,
and I wanted to know from the guys, you know,

(07:49):
what's the best or worst twenty twenty five NFL free
agent signings thus far. So if we want to let's
kick it off, man, Mo, money, Man, what you you
I know you always got your eyes open and looking
around the league, especially for your Cowboys, man what you see.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So as far as the bargain bend, because that's where
we live at, we pay our homegrown talent. I think
the Dante Filers signing was a pretty good bang for
your buck. You're talking about ten and a half sacks
for eight million dollars. But if I'm looking around the
league for other signings that don't I'm not feeling. I'm
not feeling that Cooper Cup deal. Salute to him, he

(08:28):
got his bread, but three years, forty five million when
he hasn't stayed healthy and you're going from playing with
Matthew Stafford and mcveigh's system to going out there playing
with Sam Donald and I don't even know who the
offense coordinator is in Seattle. I'm not feeling that signing.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
As far as resigning, I'm a big Jamar Chase fan
big so to me, that's the best resigning of the
off season.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So yeah, and oh just talked about. I think I
think T Higgins was even more important because I think
we all knew Jamar Chase was gonna get signed to
a long term, a big long term deal. But everybody
was kind of worried about t Higgins, you know, I
know they had franchise tagged him and they and everything,

(09:16):
but his name the last couple of years has always
been mentioned of moving on and going to another team.
So for them to jump out there and lock them in, man,
that that was dead.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
I think I think signing Jamar Chase and T Higgins
right as of right now the Bengals is winning free
agency like that that's the best sign of period, like
being able to retain them, put them head and shoulders
above anything else. Dante found a good maybe you know
what I'm saying, like it's Cooper Cup good maybe, But

(09:49):
we know what Tim Higgins and Jamar Chase is gonna do.
You know what I'm saying, Like it ain't it ain't
really nobody just really in their prime. That's just that's
that's been a free agency. You know, those are the
broad top two guys. You know what everybody else you
know got, you know, history injury, they may be on
you don't know really what you're getting, but you know

(10:09):
what you're getting out of them too. I take my
hat off the Fangos right now. They win in free
agency with them two signings.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, yeah, I would. I would tend to agree. Oh dog,
what's your favorite signings or signus that you didn't like
so far?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Well, first of all, we don't want woman's uh hat,
so you could keep your hat. Talk about you taking
your hat off. We don't want nobody, We don't want
your uh. I'm gonna watch my mouth because we got
some listeners and viewers, but we all want you to
take your hat off.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Everybody needs your hat. Were good?

Speaker 4 (10:44):
You worry about Buffalo and who y'all signed about. I'm
talking about Weinnati first and foremost. T Higgins was the
most important thing. But shout out to Joe Burrow. Oh yeah,
shout out to Joe Burrow. That's what you call a leader, right,
That's what you call somebody when they going out to

(11:06):
the fire. Ain't even no question. He go outside. He know,
he walked down the alley and this step. But I'm
going with him, you hear me. That's what that's what
I call a leader. Man, Get them, get them signed immediately,
or y'all gonna have some problems with me when I'm
up again.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Because Higgins is selfish like we know, like we have
known quarterbacks to do, then they don't and then then yeah,
Jamal Chase gonna get signed. But Tim Higgins ain't getting signed.
Let me tell you that now he wasn't getting signed.
Joe Burrow was the one that got that that that
both them y Well got to Higgins signed and made
sure that that happened now, so that way we can

(11:47):
go on the training camp and we don't have to
worry about this. We can go on and we can
start the season off the right way instead of using
the first two three games as preseason, right, you know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
So definitely.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
So with that being said, I like the boy Sweat
getting his money from tuning out.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Here to Arizona.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I think that's a big, a big pickup of Arizona because
when the last time Arizona had a pass.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Rush name him, yeah, Chandler Jones.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
In a minute, that was it.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
And besides and you know that it worked out pretty
well I think the first first year or two. But
other than that, I can't I can't name one. I
can't name when they had like a pass rushing.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
So for that gentleman to do what he needed to
do in.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
The Super Bowl and went crazy and for him to
get his bag, salute to him.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Some of the also, well it's not free agency, but
he signed a new deal. Shout out to Derek Stingley.
Oh yeah, Houston for keeping that corner him. He the
high brand new, highest paid defensive back in NFL history.
I don't no disrespect. I like for all the youngers
to get their bread. But I don't know about the

(13:05):
pum me what you think about.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The j C. Horn Uh, Joe Horn's son out of Carolina.
They gave him a bag, and I ain't you know,
I know he I know he went to the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I think his first year or second year whatever, But
I don't know. I just ain't see enough for you know,
because for a minute he.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Became the highest paid and then Stintley came right after
him and got and got the highest paid. So I
didn't yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
I was just saying, I like, I like to see
the young man get paid, but I think Carolina got
too many holes. I don't think that's idea for him
to dump a lot of money into one position. Yeah,
I mean, usually when you've given you signed h R
signed on like that you won a way or you gotta.
I don't think he's a I don't think he's top

(13:58):
five corner in the league. You know, I'm saying, so
you got a top five guy. Yeah, but I think
they got I would have said, hey, man, go get
whatever you get out there, but we got to. Yeah,
we got Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I didn't understand that one. Yeah. I also like.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I also like even though it wasn't a free agencign,
it was a trade. I like Washington with Big tumsel Sean,
you know, getting that left tackle situation at least for
the next two years, because because they know if he
balls out for the next two years, then they'll give
him a brand new deal.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
But what they did was they gonna take.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
That two years deal that that he's already on, and
they basically like, now proves that you want to be here,
proves you want to be a part of this organization.
And if you ball out, you know what I mean,
and you do what you're supposed to do, then we'll
reward you and then you'll be the you be the
call that left tackle sort of like where Elaine Johnson
has been Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
With Philadelphia for.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
The next he'll play out there in Washington for right
another six seven, about six years something like that, because
he got two and they probably extend them and maybe
give them another four years, and by that time they
are already beat undrafted somebody else.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
So I like that.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
And my last one is shout out to the Chicago
Bears saying we're going all in. So now you're getting
every all the pieces. You already got all your skilled
players last year. Now you got all your offensive lineman.
But now let's see. Now, let's see what you can
really do. Let's see if you can booky. It's no
more excuses, it's no more of this, no more that
you got all the offics of lineman. You're gonna have

(15:33):
everybody's in camp, everybody's whatever, and you got a top
I think they still got a top ten pick, right,
if I'm not mistaken the Bears, Yeah, I think. Yeah,
if I'm not mistaken, I don't know. I don't know
the draft order by hand. So I like that as well.
So that's that's my whole overall free agency. Uh, what
I liked and what I didn't like, h or whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
One real quick point on J. C. Horn. So I'm
down here in Carolina's right, they gotta sell tickets, bro,
and he a homegrown talent.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Okay, right, So because I because I said the same
thing to even if he's not homegrown up, that's the
If he gonna be like the face of the franchise,
then why not. And that's what I was trying to
tell the O g Fredo. I was telling him about
the quarterback in Jacksonville. You know, like it's like you said,

(16:27):
sometimes because he came off of having a pretty decent year.
He took the Jacksonville Jaguars to the playoffs, though they lost,
but who else they coming to?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
See?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (16:38):
So you sometimes it's about selling those tickets and things
of that nature. So the fact that you know you
got you, you get your franchise god, no matter what
position they are. And then that's what we're gonna go
behind and put a little money behind him so that
way we can fill up these stands and these people
can keep buying these twenty five dollar chicken strips five
five dollar chicken strip I mean five five chicken strips

(17:00):
twenty five dollars, one one bid bid twenty dollars.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's fat.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, yeah, But were you like you already went no, no, no, I'd.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Like, you know, I'm on Paul, Well, all of you
guys are you know I was the first thing I
was going to meet with the T Higgins signing. I
thought that was huge, and uh you mentioned oh dog
Josh Wett signing to the Cardinals. I thought that was huge.
And then you took the words right out of my
mouth in terms of Chicago signing three offensive aligneman, you know,

(17:42):
to protect that young quarterback. I thought that was I
thought that was huge for them. And then I'm gonna
go to to my team. I was, I was. I
was glad that day locked up Ronnie Stanley. You know,
he he was a free agent and he was the
number one lineman on the board. Yeah, but but we
we went in and threw some money at him, and

(18:03):
you gotta look, he he's your he he's protecting your
your your best players blindside. He's been there since one
and you gotta you gotta like him. You gottack him up.
And then you know a quiet you know, a quiet signing,
but it's still significant getting getting Hopkins, you know, getting
getting a veteran, a leader, a short handed player, and

(18:25):
somebody that's going to be in that locker room that
can show Zay Flyers and Bateman and all of them
how to be a pro and how to be a
better receiver. And to me, I just thought that was that.
That was It was quiet, but I think I thought
it was impactful.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
He wasn't handed receiver, but he damn sure needed to
be short handed on that third down when he dropped
that joining and he dropped that ball and he tripped
over his own feet.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, now we know. Now we know why he did it. Man,
he had loyalty to my man, Lamar, I appreciate.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Okay, if that's what it was, you know or whatever.
And I responded, o, g Fredo, Fredo, Uh, I'm with
you with that. But when you get a when you
have a talent like that, one thing that Pittsburgh still
Stellers have has always had even before I was here,

(19:18):
was a receiver and a receiver, a big time receiver,
you know, whether it's Heines Ward, Antonio' Brown, you know,
before Plexico, keep going back, you know, and even before then.
So I feel like they need they wanted to bring
DK over and I get it as far as a quarterback,
but man, if you can you know, maybe they got

(19:42):
something in the plans to try to trade up and
get a quarterback or or whatever, but that quarterback definitely
got to have somebody to throw it to you because
having your number one receiver as a what's his name, Georgeigigg.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
That ain't that? Ain't the move? And and then ain't no
quarterback one? That's the thing. What quarterback want?

Speaker 5 (20:04):
Go there?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Pickings is your number one receiver?

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Anyway, I'm damn sure not going there because I can't
name another receiver that's with the Pittsburgh Steelers, can you.
Ah No, And that's and I know and I know football,
and I cannot name one receiver that is with the
Pittsburgh Steelers, and that and that is not like the
Pittsburgh Steelers. The Pittsburgh Steelers always had one or two

(20:26):
definitely one solid receiver.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
So yeah, I'm I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
But I also think DK metcalf how he was in
People say he's sort of a knucklehead whatever, and fiery.
I think Tomlan know how to have you know, Tom
then know how to deal with that, you know, and
and and gonna help him be a better person I
think off the field as well. So you gotta Yeah,
when you gotta when you got a chance to get
a talent like that, right, I think you gotta go

(20:54):
do it. And then you figure, hey, shoot, anybody could
throw the ball to him.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Just going up.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah. Yeah, you make me think about it in a
different way because before O. G. Frado said that that
that was one of my signs that I really didn't understand.
I thought they you know, they gave up a laugh
for him. Consider that the past few seasons, you know,
he he just he's been on the decline. I think

(21:23):
his name has been bigger than his game in the
last few seasons. But maybe this move to Pittsburgh will
revitalize him and he'll he'll come with different energy.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
But I just don't like him going going there, and
you still don't have any answers at the quarterback position.
But but but we'll see, we'll I mean, we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Leadership. I just said that. Leadership.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, think about let's all four of us think about
our last balls and our and our job and think
about think and think about your your balls or the
person that you was working with who was an asshole.
And then you think about the person that you was
working with or whoever was in charge, whether there's you
know whatever, whatever you're doing right your commander general uh

(22:12):
money mode, and he was solid, you know what I mean,
And he pushed you to be a better person, not
only in the field that you're doing, but you know,
off the you know what I.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Mean, You're gonna you're gonna run through a brick wall
for that guy.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, So I'm pretty sure who don't want to have
a fiery wide receiver that that want the ball and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
It's been like that. All receivers is like that, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, when when you look at his game too, I
want you to keep this in mind and d if
the if the coverage is slaying DK way and then
you got a young receiver like you know, Smiff and
Jigma the quarterback gonna give it to who's ever open.
But don't get it twisted. When they went into a
game plan, it was to stop DK Metcal one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
And and so they yeah and everybody, yeah, you know
how you know what we say, if we got it
where we are we partying or we hate or no, I'm.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Definitely not hanging out that because he messed around getting bro.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
And then you know he got an attitude he want
to fight you and stalk block you after every play,
So you gotta be careful. You gotta hit the weight
room with him at little extra weight room week with
him because he is the main.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah yeah. Oh and another another sign and I don't think
I like too much? Was your was your more money
was Dalla's. I didn't like the Javonte Williams signing. I
think they just totally disregarded the season that Donalds just
came off of. He he was damn there after five
yards of carrier and he was one thousand plus yard back,

(23:54):
you know, and you you're going with with william somebody
who has potential and talent, but he had he hasn't
had the production that Dado had. So I mean, you
saved what three million dollars, but I just don't think
it was worth it in terms of letting Dowdle walk,
and then you sign that Javonte Williams. I just thought

(24:16):
Donnall was a better fit. And he's already proven that
he could he could carry the load for you guys
at running back spot.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So one thing about Rico Dowdle, this was the first
season in his four years that he been healthy. Okay,
he has an injury, he has an injury history, and
he's not been healthy, right, So I think the fear
in Dallas is that he's he's about to be twenty seven,
and that's usually when running backs start to hit a wall.
As far as Javonte Williams making three million, I think

(24:45):
a million and a half of us guaranteed. If you
don't pan out with this running back that's coming in
the draft, you.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Color it is.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It is no hard feelings, right, But if he does
work out, we run a different system now. We run
a zone gap system with powerbacks that's supposed to be implemented.
So I don't know if Ricodado fits the Adam system
that we're installing because we got a new offensive coordinator.
So yeah, that's kind of their logic on that one.
But if it was the same coaching staff, I think

(25:13):
Ricodada would have been back sayings the injury history because
he's not the number one back in Carolina. That's a
two be hubb. It will be the number one back
in Carolina.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah. Yeah. And then my last one of the last signings,
the last signing, I didn't didn't particularly understand was what's
the Davonte Adams signing to the Rams? Even though Davonte
he's one of my favorite, one of my favorite players,
he's a he's a great player. But I'm looking at

(25:43):
it from a from a cost savings and the budget
standpoint where you you signed him to a forty four
million dollar contract and he got what twenty five twenty
six million dollars guaranteed, and then you let Cooper Cup walk,
but you still paying that twenty two twenty three million
dollars he making. So I just didn't understand that you

(26:05):
you you paying, You brought in a top flight receiver,
but instead of having two top flight receivers, paying playing them,
paying them both on the same team, you letting one
walk but still paying that tab, you know what I mean.
So I just didn't I just didn't get it from
a from you know, from a budget standpoint where you

(26:25):
know what they was thinking in terms of that where
they could have used those extra dollars and made that
team better.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
So you think they should have signed Cooper Cup Devonte
Adams and the court, No, no.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
No, I'm not I'm not saying that. But you know,
if you if you're going to let Cooper walking, you
still paying his tab? But but you bringing in Adams
saying and he has guaranteed twenty six million. To me,
it just didn't make sense instead of just.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
What you mean, still what you mean still paying his tab?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Guh, because they got it even though he going somewhere else,
they still they still they have to pay twenty two
point three million dollars to him next season as reported.
Damn like they're the the Rams are responsible for paying
twenty dollars Cup next Shit, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, I ain't, I ain't. I ain't see that one.
You gotta show you gotta look that one up, money mode.
Somebody gotta look that one up, because that'd be the
first time in the history I've seen that when somebody
let a player go and they still got to pay
them twenty two million dollars. Now, I see if you
say two million, but not twenty Now are they busy twenty?

Speaker 1 (27:40):
They say twenty two point three million dollars in twenty
twenty five? Is what the Rams are on the hook
to pay Cooper.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Cup on a hook? Or is that when he just
comes to the cap?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Well, the way.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
See, that's what it's counting against their cap.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
That's that's the reason why you bring in and you
bring in new money. You see what I'm saying, because
the guaranteed money that you get, if it's counting against
their cap, that's not they're not that's they don't pay that.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
That's just what's counting against their cap.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Okay, I just I just found something on bleacher Report.
So so then the first paragraph on bleacher Report says,
to be clear, the Rams are paying Cooper Cup twenty
two million dollars to play elsewhere in twenty twenty five,
and now they're also paying Adams twenty two million.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Well that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I ain't never heard of that one before. That's crazy
to they that's crazy because it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well for that that that that's what confused me. I
saw that.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Then that's that must mean he had a bit They
had to try to get some staments out of what
I'm saying. But I still rather have Davante Adams and
Cooper Cup.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, fact yeah. And I'm not.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
A young boy, and you got a young boy that's
doing well too, So now you can put Davontae Adams outside,
you can move what you going inside? And uh, the
Hawaiian dude or whoever is whatever is what's his name for.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
In the core? Yeah, I ain't saying that in the
cool oh.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Pop uh poopy the cool in the cool Uh. And
then you let him play, let him play in inside,
you know, let him play in the slot. But yeah,
that's the first time I ever seen somebody like I said,
you see people that be on the hook for money,
but not twenty not twenty two, not twenty two, you.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, that's crazy, especially it flew under the radar like that,
because you would think because he's if he on the hook,
then because they I know, they were trying to trade
him at first, and nobody you know obviously no no
trades came.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
But now I see why for what?

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, yeah, just cut me because you'll want to give
me twenty two. Yeah, jo jel Fredo. Kirk Cousins still
got another ten though. I told he a O G.
I told you kirk Cousin was gonna stay there. He's
gonna be the he gonna be the.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Highest paid backup quarterback slash head of quarterback coach.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Atlanta fal was paying him to be a quarterback coach.
That's all he do. He decorated quarterback coach.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, I told you that.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
I told you last year when we had it signed,
and I told you that young boy was gonna play.
I told you that if he if that More is
like if I'm gonna go out on my sword, I'm
gonna go out with the quarterback that I want spec.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Spec. Outside of that young lady who uh who worked
for sports and getting all of these guys these big
time contracts in the NFL. Hey Cousins agent gotta be wanting,
gotta be right after her.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Then? Is that more H Moore or something? He he
just got Derek Stanly paid, he got he got J. C.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Horn paid.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
He the one that got all them boys from He
got Deshaun Watson. He got all them boys. I forgot
his name's name, David something something like that.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I forgot. I forgot that.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah, he's black and something he mixed from something like
I don't know, like South African or something like that.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Uh. Kirk Cousins agent in the Hall of Fame, have
his own wing in the Hall of Fame because Kirk
Cousins might leave the NFL at the highest paid player
to ten.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
You know what I'm saying, especially his especially his status,
never being considered the number one or number two or
even top three best quarterback in the International Football League.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But yeah, you're getting top two.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Never that, I was being generous, you know what I mean.
I was gonna say that.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
But I think the about seven eight.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Maybe top ten. You can put him at the bottom
if you even want a playoff game. Never no, yeah,
hold on, no, he won't win. He won't win in Washington. Okay,
game damn.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Listen man, Kirk Cousins agent is to go.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, how many other three?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah? Three?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Right, But he got the franchise money for Washington, like.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Three years from Washington. Yeah, he got two guaranteed meals
in Minnesota and then another game in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah. That's crazy, that's crazy. That's yeah. Hey, let's let's
switch up speeds a little bit. Fellas. We haven't been together,
like I said, for a little while where we can
chop about current events. So so this is something that
was a hot topic for for the past week or

(33:21):
so that that I know our viewers and listeners want
to hear our opinion on what's that? What's that? Confrontation
between Lebron, James and stephen A. And uh, you know
a lot of people been giving their opinions on it.
You know, we heard from the rest, so let's hear
from the best. A poom, what's your thoughts on that
confrontation between Lebron and stephen A.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
I don't like stephen A. First of all, I ain't
a fan, but I'm a father and I'm a thousand
or something with Lebron like some if you got if
that's how you feel like. And the ship I don't
like about Steven is you always talk this. I'm everywhere
I'm at all these games. You see me come and
so did somebody come see him? You could have called me,

(34:06):
We could have talked about this on the phone. Like
you know that ain't the energy throut with the spring
like so you know he wanted he ain't gonta let
him be it. Man, that's cool. But you're always gonna
be the father, you know what I'm saying. Regardless, you're
always gonna be a father. So that's that man's son.
He taught a certain kind of way. I ain't never
gonna tell no man how to feel about you know

(34:28):
what somebody said about them being a parent and they kids.
So I'm with Lebron one thousand percent. You know that
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, oh no, what's your.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm sevil with it, bro.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
My thing is I'm not the biggest Stephen A Smith fan,
but at the end of the day, your your son
playing in the NBA. So I don't have the right
to criticize him. I don't have the right at me
being Uh. If I'm in media, I can't criticize him.
I gotta I gotta watch what I say about him
because he is in that case in every father that
should come up in a pro Steven Ah Smith because
he talked trash about everybody's son. He talked trash about

(35:07):
all the players. So when so so my dad God
rest in peace when he was alive. Shit, he has
went crazy on Greg Butler, pum when Greg Butler was
talking crazy to me, So.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Greg Butler, Greg Butler wasn't on ESCN Okay.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
So because he's on national TV that were given we're
giving people passes.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
I'm not saying we're giving people passes. What I'm saying
is if Greg Butler said something that your father heard
and your father will objected to it. I got no
problem with that, Okay, you know what I'm saying. I
got no problem with that.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
I think that I think that the problem come when
when Steven, it ain't even that you, that you talking
like that, you opening on the game like everybody got
an opinion on Brownie's game. And I think if he
kept it there, I don't think that would have been
a problem. But you couldn't keep it there.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
You can't keep it there.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
You can't keep you can't keep it there when you're
coming out of your mouth tell talking and saying that
my son is better than half the people in the
National Basketball Associations. So what I'm saying is what so
if I if you, if you was to say that

(36:17):
Kobe and then that's your son, then why can't I
come out and say you tripping your son ain't nowhere
near the best basket.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Look.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
But here's the thing, oh dog, he's He wasn't critiquing
Bronnie's game like Brannie played bad. He needed work in
his hand and he working shot. You know, MAXI made
him look like he wasn't an NBA player. He needed
to go back and do some more work in the
G League. Nothing like that. This man zoomed in on
the camera and then his little soliloquy, and he started

(36:48):
off by saying, as a father, stop it. Like that's
a trigger. If you're a parent, that's a trigger. Like,
right at this point, you're not a you're not a
sports reporter or sports analysts talking about the game. You're
talking about how somebody's raising their child.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
And that's father.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
That shit is going to strike a court and you're
gonna crash out right, wrong hand difference. You're gonna somebody
for talking Like, who the hell Stephen A. Smith think
he is telling Lebron James how to raise his son.
Like we all know Lebron is a great ballplayer, and
how he takes care of his body, how he never
chease the game, all that good stuff. But one thing,

(37:27):
every and everybody has their opinion on Lebron. But one
thing I think that's being consistent over the years about Lebron.
Everybody say, man, this dude looked like he's a hell
of a dad. He's he's you know, he's really invested
in his kids life, and so why the hell Stephen
They think he knows what's better for Lebron's son than
Lebron do Lebron not gonna put his son in a

(37:49):
position that he don't think his son can handle. Yeah,
he gonna he's gonna trip up along the way. You
know what I'm saying. They already knew that. Like I said,
it was a two year plan. They know he's gonna
trip up along the way. But it's part of the
development process. But at the same time, you're not nobody's
gonna Nobody's gonna tell me how to raise my kids.

(38:10):
Like you not. You're not gonna tell me that. Just
like you remember he got game when Jake Shuttlesworth out
there with Jesus Shuttlesworth and he was rough on Jesus
and making them tough, making them better, and then you
had the two dudes standing on side the coach. It
was like telling him, stop, man, you can't do that
to your son. He's like, man, shut the hell up, Man,
don't tell me how to raise my son. You know
what I'm saying. And that's and that's the perspective where

(38:33):
I'm coming from. I think that's the perspective that Lebron
James was coming from. Like Bruh talk about me my
game all you want, even talk about Bronnie's game all
you want. But when it comes when you talk, you're
coming at me as a father. You talking father to father.
You're trying to tell me how to raise my kid.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
You don't have, So you don't have a problem with
him critiquing his game.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
No, you know, once once you once you graduate to
big time Division one college basketball, football, whatever it is,
and then you go on to the to the professional ranks. Yeah,
you you're supposed to get critiqued. Somebody gonna talk about
you every single day. I don't have a problem with that.

(39:15):
And when you starting now getting zoomed in on the
camera and talking about as a father, stop it. Come on, bro,
that's gonna get your ass slapped every fucking time.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Got you no money?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
What's your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Man, Kobe, you said that you took the words out
of my mouth, like, oh doll. You critique Bronni's game,
but you've never said anything about him or slander his character,
right or Lebron's character. That's where you're starting to cross
that line. And I think stephen A does it sometimes
when you start to question people's character and how they
and their morals that's when I draw the line. And

(39:51):
then when you do that, you gotta face the consequences.
Steven A better be glad that it was Lebron James
and not Charles Oakley as somebody else, because they would
have knocked his head off.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
You can't question somebody's character like that and get away
with it. That's that's my stance on it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, and I agree. And then thinking about the history
between those two, they don't have a relationship and Steven
they always got something slick to say, you know what
I mean, And then for you to come out say that.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I appreciate that, Freido, I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I was I was just letting everybody talk, but I
was gonna say something too, but I was gonna wait
till the end.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
But go ahead read. I can't see you. What do
you say?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
He said? First of all, y'all, you're dad wrong. Steven A.
Smith was telling Lebron to stop me because he's putting
his son in a bad spot to be criticized. Lebron
opened Pandora's boxed by saying Brownie was better than half
of the NBA players in the league. Y'all got selective commentary. No,
we didn't.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
We said that you do.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
But cod but even but even Dwayne Baden came out
and said, if you watch the podcast with eve Vade
and Carmelo and them, and he said that same thing.
Mello agreed a little bit too. They said that was
that's a tricky situation because of the simple factor is
when he came out, he said that, so you people,
it's people gonna criticize your son. People gonna be extra

(41:22):
Horti and you talking about hold on, but you said
Steven A. Smith slowed down the camera and put who
he done did that with a whole bunch of people.
He do that to Kevin Durant all the time. He
slowed them down and talked crazy and be like, man,
look at this. He not getting back on defense Luca.

(41:43):
When they was getting on Luca talk about him in
his defense, they was firing Luca.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
They they people do that all the time.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
They got me, Charles Bukley, Charles Buckley and and and
Kenny the Jet. They got second where they will call
out Luca and them for not running back on defense
or not doing that. So my point, the NBA player,
you no longer you ain't about your son, Oh.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I agree with you on that, but listen to what
you were saying. He's talking to these guys directly. He
wasn't talking about Lebron directly about not getting back on
defense or not making a shot.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
What he was saying as a Kobe as a father,
that's the reason why he got in the league. As
a father. He put him in that position as a father.
He wasn't a general manager as a father. He put him,
like you said, in that position as a father. He

(42:50):
wasn't a coach because he is the father of Bronnie James.
As a father, he was able to get him in
the league. So what do you I don't understand what so.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Is that that's a problem.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
He didn't critique him whether or not he had curfew
at one or his curfew was at two.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
He critiqued him.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Why would you put him in that position and then
say he's better than half of the players in the
National Basketball Assiate.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Okay, so he didn't say half, right, you know what?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
He didn't say half?

Speaker 5 (43:21):
He did say all the tweet that the tweet that
he made, he was like his low key hilarious, I'm
watching this, He's like, man, Bronnie better than a lot
of these jokers on whatever the NBA like direct ticket is,
he's like Bronnie better than a lot of these cats.
And that's cool. And what I'm saying is as a parent,

(43:42):
that's that's that's your feeling. Everybody. If you ain't ever
been to an AAU game or a fucking soccer game,
everybody think that they the problem.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Though I trained, huh, yeah, let's get let's get to it.
You all get to that's part of that.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
That's you know, it's better than what they are. And
I think I think part of the problem is I
think that stephen A doesn't like Lebron, Like if we
if we're gonna be honest, Steven, they don't like Lebron.
So all the criticisms because he he he he lineizes
Michael Jordan. So anything that he could ever hit Lebron on,

(44:24):
he gonna hit him more because what he's talking about, Brownie,
it's not equitable to be talking about a fifty fifth
pick like this, because we ain't never talked about no
fifty fifth pick like they Because I couldn't tell you
who the third, fourth or fifth tick in the draft
was this year, but I know who the fucking fifty
fifth pick is because Stephen they makes they make it
a point to go and always criticize Bronni no matter what.

(44:47):
He doesn't get an equitable fair treatment as everybody. And
Stephen A acts like he in his mind. I think
he thinks he's an athlete because he talks about players.
He doesn't opene like a journalist. He talks like former athletes.
But what he lacks is former athletes got respect for
the process. They got respect for the game. And you

(45:09):
see Gilbert Reenas and Kwame Brown go back and forth
all the time. They ain't got no love for each other.
But when they call Kame Brown a bus, Gilbert A
rings like the motherfucker to play fifteen years in the league.
How the fuck you called him a bus? Because he's
a player. But fucking Steven A. Smith always tows the
line and gets disrespectful with how he talks about people

(45:29):
because I think he believes that he was a player,
you know what I'm saying. And players will talk and
they'll be a lot honest, but they always got a
level of respect for the process. And what I'm saying
is Brownie James is a fifty fifth pick. I don't
think he's talk talked about in an equitable fashion for
the fifty fifth pick, because if you look at the
numbers and what he's producing, he's doing better than the

(45:51):
fifty fourth pick. He's doing better than the fifty third pick.
He do a better than the fifty second pick. So
let's talk about him in that light. You know what
I'm saying, Like, no matter what I think about my sling,
let's talk about him like judgse him against his peers,
judgse Hm against you know, an equitable group.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Well, hey, pullman, that's a great point, and you one
hundred percent right, But let's start pretending like that's not
your job as a father to put your son in
a position to succeed. And you're gonna brag about your kid.
I don't care if your kid. Damn man, my kid
draw the best pictures. You ain't never seen a picture
like this. And when we talk about setting his son up,
he set his son up to be a millionaire. That

(46:32):
ain't Lebron's money. That's the bus money that's paying him.
Right now, Brownie James is a multi millionaire in the
United States of America, and partly because of the position
that his father put him in. That's what we're supposed
to do. I'm not criticizing no man for that. Is
this game a little?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Is it developing?

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Hell yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But to Pomy's point, so it's all a second round us.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
That's what they do.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
They develop. But when we up, we gotta be careful
when we say he put his son in this. Yeah,
he put his son in a position to be criticized,
but he also put him in a position to weighs
a multi millionaire.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Millionaires get criticized. Yeah, players get criticized. Money Moe, and.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
That's somebody nobody know.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Nobody can get criticized everybody. If you're an NBA player,
you get criticized, period. If you're an NFL player, you're pro,
you get criticized. You get a check. So for sure,
the same way you a pro, you gotta do when
you're a pro, you have to do interviews. It's in
your contract. Okay, then, but that's not media. The media.

(47:46):
I'm not agreeing with Steven A. Smith.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
I don't agree with with half the ship he said.
The only thing I have a problem with is when
I don't like when people feel like that you can't
you gotta be careful, but you gotta watch. You gotta
step on eggshells when you talking about this man's son.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
I know, I'm just man. I think I think the
criticism needs to be equitable. Oh and I think if
you were to put yourself in Lebron's shoes, I don't
know you.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I wouldn't have put myself in Lebron's shoes. I don't
give a fuck what nobody said, because what I would
have backed school. That's just me and my personal being.
I don't give them.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Whatever your son does. My point is, oh, I don't
think there's a problem with the criticism, but it is
when the criticism isn't equitable. And if you felt like
somebody was criticizing you and your son in a fashion
that wasn't the job, Like, man, you ain't doing your job.
Now you want some personal ship? Oh old dog step
into him as soon as you're saying on sight, because

(48:46):
I know you, that's that's who you are. You ain't
gonna let that ship go. You gonna say this nigga
has some ship that I start fucked up. I'm saying
something about it, regardless that that that's one.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Off said a fact, because he's gonna did that ship
for way less shit than that. Listen, and that's that's one.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
And you know what, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I don't even think it's the criticism because they've been
criticizing Lebron, They've been criticized for his whole career, and
they never criticizing Bronni since the NBA Summer League. Nobody
said nothing. Lebron never said nothing. It was just this time,
this one statement that was made by Stephen A. Smith

(49:30):
hit different because it was personal and he he struck
a chord when he started off with that father piece.
That right there just set him off. Whatever he said
after that. I don't even know if Lebron even heard
that ship we heard as our father stop and he
just went ham. He was waiting to see him, guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
So you don't You don't think him going to him
in the time out had any played any part to it.
You don't think he could have. You don't think he
could have waited till halftime. You don't think he could have.
You don't think he could have said something to him
before the game or after the game.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Could But I'm asking you, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
No, I think what I think, This is what I
think this is what I think. I think he tried
his best.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
He is lebron Jackson. Do you think that ship is
playing for him to go up to him in the
middle of a time?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Look, this is my opinion.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I think all American at all American banquet, you could
say something to somebody when we're outside the banquet, or
we got to say something at the table right now?

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Yeah, huh, I can't hear you.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Would you say you break it up?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
I said, if you had an All American banquet, can
we wait till it's over, until we walk out summer,
or we gotta say something right now?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I did wait until we was over. He kept talking.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
That's something totally different. He said something before we even
got to the bank. He said something when we first
got there. Then he said something and he was laughing.
They was behind us, and I ain't and I ain't
and I ain't that that ain't my son getting criticized.
That's some jokers being funny and trying to crack jokes.
So I just simply said, is their problem? Would you
like to step outside? That was my exact words. Now,

(51:21):
was it doing the middle of somebody's speech that was talking? Yeah,
at that particular time. You right, I did not hear
no speech. I did not see nobody. I saw three
Jackson I saw two Jackson State players and once Mississippi
Valley State got I did not see anybody else and
was getting ready to end the whole thing. You right,

(51:42):
I stand on that. But they was They wasn't talking
about somebody's son. I wasn't talking about a professional.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
They were talking about You're gonna wait till after the game.
You had it when you feel, when you feel, and
I don't think you you wouldn't. I ain't never say, oh,
you hand this ship when you like.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Our listeners and viewers. I don't give a who thought
I was wrong my rue. That's what I'm saying. So
what I'm saying if Lebron right, So, if Lebron don't
that that was his time, then cool. But I'm asking you, guys,
as parents, I'm saying, is and.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Here and whatever? Do you think that was? Knowing that
the cameras is on him all the time, all day
every day. Do you think he did that ship on purpose?
Or do you think or do you think he just
crashed out like you.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Said, oh nod, I think he I think he just
crashed out. I honestly think he was trying to hold it.
I think I don't think he playing that. I think
seeing that man's face.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
And this is even though the mors twin was standing
right there beside him, though, right on the other side
of stephen A.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Smith. Well, okay, d do it.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I don't know who ain't when I crashed out. I
ain't put me nothing. I just got up and crashed out.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
I ain't. I ain't say, hey, put me.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Do you think when we saw the whole scene, he
didn't say nothing. No, but he got up from the
bench and went straight to stephen A. Smith string got there.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
He probably saw it.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
Hey, listen, I ain't making no excuse for no man,
look like you said him being a father man felt
he was talking about it. All I'm saying is, when
you're a professional player, it's no.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It's no. Motherfucker's talked bad about King Griffy Jr. Like
a dog, Like a fucking dog.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Watch watch this documentary, watch his dad, and watch watch
what his dad was saying about what they were saying
about King Griffy. My favorite baseball player never said, dad,
go crashed out on somebody and they talked about him,
they watched the documentary and then get back with So
what I'm saying is everybody, like you said, everybody bothered,

(54:08):
everybody different.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
But all I'm saying is if you a professional, if
you are a professional, whether.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
You're the fifty fifth pick or you the fifth pick,
then everybody is open to construct criticism. Whether it's constructive
criticism or they hating on you. That's just part of
being a professional athlete.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And we I think we all on this panel agree
with that point. Oh though, we think that it just
went beyond criticism. You think it was personal. Okay, if
Fredo Man, shut your line of Richie as up. Man,
everybody want to hear that.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Ship now, fred O talking that ship. You need the law.
You need to call in fred O so we can
get you on here, because man, pull me, Man, and
then stop bringing oh ship.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Over forty thirty years ago. Shut up talking about crashing out.
You want to talk about some crashing out stories? Yeah, yeah,
I got some crashing out stories too, all right, fell
the sight, all right, Fell and sticking with the NBA. Man,
the playoff kitcher is heating up right now, man, And

(55:23):
I want to know who you guys are looking at
right now is as uh contenders to win in the
NBA title. Move money.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Let's start with you, bro man.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I mean you have to start with Oklahoma City and Cleveland.
They've been the most consistent, Yeah, the best teams on
each conference, and right now, I mean, I don't see
anybody that can that could be either one of those
teams in the seven game series. I mean, I just
that's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
So they started believing them.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I do, especially the Cleveland Cavaliers because of the coach
what's going on. I believe in Oklahoma State he's death
and I believe shake gilg Is Alexander is like that.
I mean, he's got to prove it in the playoffs.
But I do I believe in both of them. I mean,
you look out West. I don't see anybody that's better
than Oklahoma City, not from top to bottom.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree, especially in the regular season.
But but do you have question marks about his support
and casts in the playoff setting.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I mean, of course I do, until it's proven, But
I got I gotta go off of what I see
right now, and I'm looking at the rest of the
Western Conference. I just don't see it right now for
nobody else. I mean, maybe if the Lakers had a
big man and some more death in their front court,
I could, I could give it to them, but because
of their experience. But other than that, it ain't gonna
be Houston. I don't believe in Houston. I don't believe

(56:45):
in Memphis. So I'd have to give it to Oklahoma City.
Out east, it's tough. I mean, if Boston running to Cleveland,
maybe that's that's that's a bump. But other than that,
I don't see it out out there eating Okay.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
So so if Cleveland Boston playa in the Eastern Conference Final,
you trust Cleveland more than.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Okay, Okay, I trust Boston, but I'm saying Cleveland, Cleveland
has the talent to get it done.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, and you hear, you hear a lot of critics.
You know, they they don't really believe in the cast.
Even though they've been the best team all season long.
They still got they still got them making a Some
people don't even got them making it to the Eastern
Conference Finals, you know. So, yeah, they they're in a
tough spot. But if they continue to play the way

(57:36):
they playing, I can see them making a making a
long run. Pull me what you're seeing in the NBA
playoff picture. Who's the teams to look out for? Who
you think got a real shot at getting to the
finals and possibly winning the championship.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
If they're healthy, Laker's go win it all. Okay, if
they healthy, the Lakers gonna win it.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
So you're a Laker fan now, and now we got
to listen to you now because Luke going the Lakers,
and now you're a Lakers fan.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
I'm a Dallas Mavericks fer, but Lucas still my favorite player.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yet I've been talking about. Man, this is ship I
had to deal with thirty some years.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
I mean, I'm average fan. The Mavericks is my mob.
But until we get rid of our d e I
Genra manager, who who I'm a small fuck in the
history of basketball? Well should we get rid of him?
You know? I'm still a Dallas fan though, but I

(58:43):
just don't have no hope for us right now with
Anthony Davis and Kyrie just towards.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Some people think Anthony Davis is a is a prime
time player. Some people think Anthony Davis is a generational
defensive talent. Talk and Dames was a monster.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Player.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
I would rather have Bam out of Bayo, jim me
because I gonna be there for seventy eight games the
same defense, oh.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Man, part of being a great player showing up last
time I checked. What that's not. That's a fact. I'm simple.
I like Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Uh, everybody used to hate on the Bulls back in
the day until Michael Jordan had to show up. Michael
Jordan's showed up, showed up, Scottie Pippen, you know, would
play playoffs whatever. Hopefully this year the boy Williams can
have a better playoff than he had last year.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
But ship, you don't never know.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
But I like, I like, I like Cleveland, and I
like okay see, I can't can't sleep on Boston. They
just got an old we're all good team and they
played great basketball. Boston plays good basketball now now sometimes
I don't know about shooting the threes all the time?
Good great, you know what I mean? Damn, But you know, okay,

(01:00:13):
see just play good okay. I like okay see, and uh,
I like Cleveland. Man, don't know if they're gonna make
it to the you know, but I definitely think Cleveland
gonna and then Cleveland like you said, here we are
critique in Cleveland right saying cleveand some people saying Cleveland's
gonna get bound.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
They don't know if they're gonna make it past the
first round.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Cleveland, they track. I don't believe in them, So use that.
I hope hopefully Cleveland use that as fire, you know,
ad fuel to the fire, bulletin ball material, and they
can go out and shut some people up and they
can make it long, you know, get to that Eastern
Conference final and then good thing about basketball is different
than football. Seven games man, seven games man seven games five,

(01:00:54):
seven game series, and that shit is you know that
that shit is real.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
So we'll see. But I like, do you want.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
The n b A want anything else in the world
but the Cleveland, Oklahoma city.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
One hundred per.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Five hundred people to watch that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
That's we got. That's probably why.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
It's not gonna happen that, That's what I'm saying. So
I think that the NBA is not gonna let that happen.
They don't have to don't want that. Okay, we're gonna
have to beat the ship out the people in the
West in the conference finals.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I ain't said they were gonna get to the final.
So who you think? What? What do you what? You
think they want to see the Lakers in the self.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
They do, Yo, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
We want to see I know, I want to see
this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
No, I don't want to see that ship. I don't
want see nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
But I want to see Luca and against those guys
with Lebron. Lebron against Cleveland would be good too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I think I'm in agreeing with you guys. I
just I don't know. I still even though okay Ce
and Cleveland has been dominating all season long, and just
I just can't I just I just can't come around
the corner on them. Man. I just you know, when
we talk about who we think going to the finals
gonna win it all, I just I can't even fix

(01:02:17):
my lips. Stevens say those two teams, you know, and
I know they got Donovan Mitchell. That's great player for
for Cleveland and s G a great player for ok See.
I think ok C has a I think I think
you said the more money they deep their their their
team is deep, their bench is deep. I think they

(01:02:37):
do have a lot of young, inexperienced players that I
don't know if they're going to rise to the occasion
and and playoff basketball. So and we saw that last
year with with them, so maybe they learned something from
last year that you know, they took their bumps and bruises,
and maybe they're they're they're better for that. But at

(01:03:00):
the end of the day, I mean, I'm biased with this.
I will pull me but to me, for me, it
is biased. But I like the Lakers if if everyone healthy,
just the way they've been playing both for the offensive
end defensive end.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I can't even I still can't. I don't even know
how they playing defense as great as they They was
playing defense before Lebron's injury and they still have been
playing pretty good defense since he been injured.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
But but as the defense gotten better since Anthony Davis
has left.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
No, it actually has.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I can't lie about that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah, it definitely has. And you gotta tip your hat
to uh JJ ready for that that that that scheme
they playing. Man, I think Kendrick Perkins said what he
looked like a pas a kyotes or something running a round,
you know what I mean. So, uh no, he said hyenas.
But yeah, I just think I just think they don't

(01:04:09):
get better.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
But with such a great specimen in talent defensive player
at least, how does the defense get better?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
It is addition by subtruction. Okay, I mean he's still
better than any defensive player they have on their team
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
But just it's just the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Fact that their team is playing better defense, you know
what I'm saying. But if they're healthy and they playing,
if they continue to play the way they've been playing,
they have a shot to go to the to the finals.
I still think you can't sleep on Denver because they
always a threat. They got they got the big fella
in the middle, they got.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
About them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
They they looking good now. They they riding the high streak.
But I don't I don't got that uh going over
well in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Well, outside of stuff. They can't shoot outside of stuff.
This is the first time Golden State cannot shoot consistent
and that ain't that ain't gonna play over well in
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Yeah, yeah, you get playoff Jimmy in the playoffs. Man,
he he don't he don't shoot, he'll shoot three. You
just get buckets. He's just gonna go get you. Thirty
eight A tough man. Thirty eight mid rains going to
the bucket. So I didn't even think of Golden State
is gonna be tough. They're gonna be He looked.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Like playoffs Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Last year he looked like playoff Lenny.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
He ain't looking you want being Miami. Yeah, you probably
did that ship on purpose to try to get out
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I can see it too, But damn, I mean ship
they paying you got damn play ship.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I don't get Golden State doing nothing in the playoffs,
but they are a team that I don't think nobody
wants to face first round. I think the first round.
Yeah they're first round, say whatever. They they are headache.
They are headache, and you know, you you keep the game.
They have championship agree, you know what I mean. So
you get them in a playoff series and you you

(01:06:05):
mess around and let the series be close, and you
got Steph Curry, he can get hot at any time,
and then put me just mentioned playoff Jimmy. You know,
I mean, you never know what can happen in that
type of scenario.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I think this is the first time in Steph career
that when he go up to get the ball pass
half court and he go to swing it like he
gonna get trapped, and there's no other shooters to shoot
them out of the trap. The ain't no Klay Thompson, No, no, no,
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Get Buddy Hill. Buddy Hill is a is a knockdown shooter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I forgot about Buddy here. He must not be playing
or something, because I ain't seen him in the last
couple of games.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
He might have been injured, because I did see him
in the street close a couple of games. But he's
one of the league's best shooters, so they know, yeah
about him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I did. I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
So you know, as we talked about I don't know,
I'm starting to change my mind. Man sentenced like go
to State a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And then you know they got a lot of experience too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
So that's why I was like, damn, what you know,
you get somebody mess around, get Golden State especially, they
gonna be what they're gonna be, like eight seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I think right now they saying at the sixth pot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, they're in the sixth pot right now. Yeah, that's
gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
So so if the playoffs would start today, I believe
they would play Denver Nuggets in the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Oh man, that's a good series. That's I forgot about
the old boy that shooting three. Yeah, that'd be a
good series.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Yeah, man, Look, this best time of the year, fellas
man March madness. I don't know if you got your
brackets done, you got them ready, you've been looking at them,
but uh, I don't know for you, but it's definitely
my favorite time of the year. I love watching college hoops,
especially in tournament play, because you know you're getting getting

(01:07:57):
everybody's all no you. You're gonna see some young men
trying to get some looks to go to go to
the next levels. Teams, teams that haven't been on national
TV all year long, looking to show out in front
of the in front of the country, in front of
the world. You got some seniors that's gonna be the
last time suiting up, that's gonna want to put their

(01:08:19):
best foot forward. You got some some bona fide superstars
that want to showcase their talent and and get that
draft that littery starts solidified, number one, number two, number three.
So I'm looking forward to it. But I want to
get you a guy's predictions, your final four predictions right now. Start, ohdog,

(01:08:40):
start with you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I like Florida. Yeah, I like sant Uh but see,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
I gotta look at my I gotta look at the
bracket because because I like Saint John But Saint John's
and Florida in the same bracket.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Right, Yeah, so they would have to play Devin in
the Elite eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Yeah. Well, I like Saint John's take Florida of I
like Saint John's upset in Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I like Houston, okay, and uh I like Kansas. So
I got Saint John's Kansas, and uh, Houston is that full?

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
St John's Kansas? Houston? One more?

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Uh? Who else? Who else? Is the number one seed?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
So let's go with the number one seeds. You got Duke,
then I.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Never root for them ever since Christa Lady's stepped on
my man from Tuck Yeah, hus Man. I ever rooted
for Duke was Jeremy Roach. Shout out Jeremy Road. Other
than now that he out there, fuck Duke.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
I don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I don't like Duke.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
I would have I would have undercut the ship out
of Chrystal Lake. That motherfucking his checks. Damn put that
on critique me for that on talking about crashing out.
I would have crashed out on them. Let let somebody
kick big On in the chest and step on them
and it's okay. All to the racket if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So your one season old dog is a Duke, Houston, Auburn,
and Florida.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
I don't like Auburn, but I like Alabama though, yeah,
I like Alabama. So I don't know who in the cee,
but those are teams I like. I like Alabama, Auburn,
all right, I like Alabama, Florida, Saint John's that's my
in Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
That was my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Listen and viewers go to the comments section and give
us your final four predictions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Wait, man, I ain't say my women.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Oh we got to the women's yet.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
We just want.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Pool who you got your final four predictions.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
I ain't got my bracket up front of me, but
I say, I think it's only six or seven teams
that can win it. I like, uh like before the
old said, but I think you gotta add Auburn, Alabama,
Duke with the with I think those are the seven
teams that got a live shot and win it. And
I think that uh, I don't like Duke, that Cooper

(01:11:20):
Flag can play man and you know n C double
a time superstars or or good as of gods you
know can carry you. And I think that you got
the best supers and Cooper fly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
So did did they say where he's going to be
available to play a game? Because I got that ankle spray.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I think I thought he played that he.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
Was able to play the next this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Okay, okay, money available, you ain't got a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Facts, So based up, I have to agree. If Cooper
Flag ain't THEMN you can change my bracket up, I'll
put Alabama instead of Duke. But if he there, I
got a sleeper. I got, I got Duke if they
if Cooper Flag there, so I got Auburn in the South,

(01:12:15):
Duke in the East, Houston and the mid West, Saint
John's in the West, and if Cooper Flag is healthy,
I don't like Duke even but I mean, I gotta
call it what like I see it and give it
the Duke.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah. So look out of that East region, which Duke
is the number one seed and Alabama is the number
two seed, I'm gonna go against the grain a little bit,
and I'm gonna pick a sleeper team that I think
is gonna come out that group to the final four.
And that's b Yu. Okay, if you ever seen BYU

(01:12:52):
play this season, they are problem.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Let me ask you something real quick, code before you
go on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Can make the tournament?

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Who rockets? I don't I doubt it because they now
they made it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
All right, go ahead, go ahead, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
So I got b y U coming out the East,
out of the Midwest. I like Tennessee, Okay, I can
see that I was Tennessee, yeah, and out of the West.

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I like Saint John's like John and I know that
I know Florida is is playing great ball right now.
They playing their best ball going into the tournament. So
it's kind of hard to go against them. But I'm
I'm I'm gonna go with Saint John's. And then in
the South bracket, Uh, I'm gonna go ahead and go

(01:13:59):
with our.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
First.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
My first upset gonna be Yale. They're gonna upset somebody.
Don't sleep on Norfolk State. Norfolk State play tonight, huh
or they played they already see they've domb sixteen seed
against somebody they played.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Oh, they're in the playing game after American.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
They play American tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Right, they in the fire. If they in the first four,
they play the night Yeah, because the first the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Saint John's and you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Play American American.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
They played Duke. I think they played the number one seed.
They number sixteen, but that they got a young boy
on there that can boogey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Shout out Duke. Duke always got problems with gods.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Now he ain't gonna win it, he but he definitely
somebody gonna have a long day. I think if they
if they gotta play uh Norfolk State.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Yeah, the playing games tonight is Texas playing Xavier, right,
uh huh. And then American is playing Mount Saint Marya marriage.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Yeah, that's getting ready to come on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
It's probably he shout out to Dwayne Simpkins, Man doing
your thing. Got American you man, we we my man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
Keith one of his assistants from the crib.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
He from Okoche. He was a hell of a football,
basketball player, great athlete.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Shout out. Shout out to him, man shout out, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
And let's go. Let's go to the women's side, who first.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Of all, is wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
They did Yukon and there's no way Yukon in South
Carolina should be meeting before they get to the final four,
that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Why is that? Why you think? Why you think that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Because you you just we just did a segment on
who what people want to see and talk about money
and how the people want that's what we want to see,
just like last year, we wanted to see Caitlyn Clark
and Andrew Rings playing in the final four, not the
Elite eight.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
You know what I'm saying. I want to see, we
want to see. But you know, but I still like
I like South Carolina. Since you can't beat the you
know what out of uh South Caroline, I think they're
gonna get some payback.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I like South Carolina. I like USC and I like
uh you see, I like Notre Dame in U c
l A. That's my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Yeah, more money. Who you got?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
So I like U c l A, U s C
both USC's and Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Texas. Oh yeah that oh that girl?

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Oh certain she is not She is sophomore too, huh
like a sophomore jun she can bug it, she can't?

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
She nice?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, pum what you got On the winner's side.

Speaker 5 (01:17:01):
I think a healthy U conteam gonna be real tough
to be because yeah, they got a lot of buckets man. Yeah,
you know it's stuff with them, with them good guards.
That's why I like know the Dame heavy. I like
know to Dame. Uh. I like you see La as well,

(01:17:22):
and I like Juju. You know what I'm saying. I
think sometimes when usc man, she gotta do too much
of the heavy lifting on her own. You know what
I'm saying That that one consistent. You know what I'm saying.
The other girl, Kimboogie, she flat out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah, I like you got a big girl. Uh. I
don't know where she's from. She from different. I forgot
what country she from, but man, she is likes except man,
I'm talking about grabbing reed bamds al bonn.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Gino knew what he was doing when he got her.
He said, Man, I might have played against these South
Carolina girls. I got to get you Friday that ain't
afraid while yeah, Chorty can Bookie. I think she only
a freshman, a freshman if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, who
you got cold?

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
I like I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
I like not the day coming out of that bracket.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I like South Carolina coming out there.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Uh u s l a.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Coming from that Spokane region. And then last I got
a USC beating Yukon of make it to the final
four in that bracket. But that's going to be the
best game of the tournament, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah yeah, so that's what we got. So we gotta
remember these predictions. Man, So into the tournament, man, we see,
we see winning it all on the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Ship. M oh see she she I talked. I knew
o g fred O No, shenn know. I thought she
was from a different country. Who that uh the girl from? Yeah? Yeah,
she must be from Yeah she nice.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I got Saint John's, I got Saint John's and I
got no the dame, No, the dame on the women's
Saint John's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
On the mem Hey those bold picks, those bold picks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Yeah, hopefully, hopefully I don't get no criticism. Somebody criticized me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Hey, if they do, we're gonna see him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
No, capway, I ain't gonna take ship thro I'm gonna
walk past me. Chip. I ain't clashing. I ain't clashing.
I don't nobody. I don't know what y'all talking about.
Prosperity and growth. Yeah, man, man bringing up old stuff,

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talking about what I'm saying. My mother that joining twenty
five years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
I'm wrong with him, man, I wanna talk about twenty
five years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Hey, he hey done, Hey, look that was he. You
can't give him prompts for that, cause he could have
he could have said some ship from twenty five days ago.
He decided to go go back in the volt. You
gotta saluted for that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Nah, Nope, nope, but go ahead, man. Who y'all got money? Moe?
Who you got?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I got Duke in the University of South Carolina. Ship,
That's all we got in South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
So I ain't going to get that ship. Who you got?
Who you got?

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
O G?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I mean Fredo already said who he got?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Who you got?

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Oh you want me to go, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
I really don't know what the men, so I'm gonna
just I'm gonna go with Arbor and on the women's side,
I'm gonna go USC.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
And put me said he got you come, I'm going you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
Came for the women. And if Cooper flag healthy, I
got Duke, if not, Saint John's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Okay, I got I got it. I got a quick
top of that. I would love to talk to y'all
about O G. Fredo, can you please chime in as well.
What y'all think about the fight the Roach in Davids fun. Oh,
I ain't talking, We ain't talking about Yeah. Yeah, I
thought it was a I thought it was an awesome fight.

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I thought Roach was timing enough full. I thought he
had a great game plan and he stuck with it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
I thought he looked like he actually looked like the
bigger of the two fighters, even though he came from
a lower division. And and I believe he won. I
believe he won the fight. I don't think it was
a draw.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
If they counted that knockdown, he definitely wins that fight.
I don't understand how that wasn't counted a knockdown.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
But he ship he said hair got in his eye.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
I mean, I mean, when like top it, I need
your head three days ago, three days they.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Didn't show the things moving his head after Shorty hit
him like that, that that piece.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Of that, like the hair whatever did go in his
eye like that? They did what was it? Like some activator?
What was it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
But my thing is we we watched a lot of
boxing matches, and I mean, I get I get it.
His head went in his eye. You know, his eyes
start bothering. But in boxing all the time, you might
get a glove in your whatever the case may be.
Something I mean, you don't you don't stop the fight
going then for that and not get a point taking
away It is called boxing, right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
I'm looking forward to the rematch. But that was he was.
He's the first person to me that did not look
scared of Javonte and his power. He was like, you know,
I can enough, I'm not really scared of you. And
he attacking that way. I think a lot of times
people are so scared of that knockout that that they're

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not aggressive in the same way that Lamar was aggressive
with team.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Oh go ahead, dog, I'm saying, that's what O. G.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Fredle just said. And uh he made he made a
good point. That's the thing about it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
This sometimes even with with football, you know, with it
can't like you know, people all talk with chiefs, get
all the calls and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
This and that and whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Back when we were talking when you got it, when
you going in to beat play against the champ, you
got to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
You got to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
You can't leave no doubt. You got to beat the champ.
So I think it's gonna be a great fight. Up
the street up there, up the street in Vegas. Uh,
you know what I'm saying, And Uh, that's gonna be that,
that's gonna be the when they talking about when they
said July.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
As mat Dang, they should do a Memorial Day weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
That'll be dope.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Do you think Roach was so comfortable fighting Tanks because
they they've been fighting each other since kids. Do you
think they had a lot to do with him being
so comfortable in the fighting and knowing tanks tendencies and
all of that good stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Absolutely, absolutely, no different than if if you work out
with somebody, you playing basketball with him every day, you're
gonna know exactly you know how he gets to his
pull up, you know everything you do. So I think
that that definitely played a part in it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Yeah, Fredo said, June twenty first, the fight supposed to
be Junior twenty first for vad that'll be good. And
at the same time, NBA All Star weekend, I mean
NBA uh Summer League in it out there was the
NBA Summer League in July.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, it's in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
July because the draft is at the end of June, right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Yeah, usually that last week in June. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's gonna be crazy. It is gonna be crazy. But
this is I want to see how Davontae Davis respond though.
If he about what he's what I think he's about,
you're gonna get in the lab rework the strategy and
do what he need to do. If not, then it's

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you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
But the only thing I was tripping me I was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
He he act like it wasn't he had more rounds
to go, like around your corner and not tell him, hey,
this is it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
They kept saying, hey, I need more, but they didn't
say I didn't hear him say this fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Round or just the eighth round, let's go, we gotta go.
They just kept saying I need more now, we need
these two rounds, but they I didn't hear him say,
like a tank, this tenth round.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
We got to go. Man, come on, man, you know
what I mean. I didn't hear him, you know, so
they kept some more.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
He didn't realize what rounding. That's your fault, you the
one that he white. You supposed to at least let
him know, you know what I mean, what round is?

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's facts.

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Damn they lost more now look, let me get your
opinion on something. Do you this is a debate I
had with some with some other people in recent weeks.
Do you think Tank be ducking fighters? Like there's several
fighters that's in his that's his caliber, fighter that's in
his weight class that's been calling him out. But he'll

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talk trash on a podcast or or whatever the case
may be, but he don't but he don't actually take
the fights. So what's your opinion of that? You think
he ducking fights? Because I think it's three fighters right
now that will give him a run for his money
and probably beat him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Man, he that's his erar. Everybody in that era duck
you know what I mean? But yeah, he one ducking fights.
But it's so much politics and boxing that we don't
know if it's his manager, we don't know, if it's promotion.
We don't know what it is as far as why
it's not happening. But you know, yeah, he ducking them.
Somebody ducking them because it ain't happening, and we suffering

(01:27:46):
as fans because of them.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
So you and the people you're talking about this guy
like sakor Stevenson and in whatever the something Davin Hainy.
That's the type of guy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Yeah, yeah, not but not handy, but definitely should could
definitely that young boy from the Child border area in Virginia.
Yeah yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:10):
But I definitely think he was. I think he had
been dug and I think he doug with Machenko. I
think when when Little Gary was trying to fight him,
he didn't want He ain't want no posslem Little Gary.
And I think now I don't. I don't think that
him and should cour because styles make fight. I don't
think that'll be a a good fight because Chakur is
such a defensive fighter, you know what I'm saying, And

(01:28:33):
he doesn't really bring any offense to the table. Yeah,
but for sure I think Tank has. But like you said,
prade older, I mean not praydover money mote.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
That's the culture now is people duck fights, you know
what I'm saying. It ain't like it was back in
the eighties, where mothers fought pretty much everybody that was
out there. They like everybody changing that that that fifty
and old you know what I'm saying, or that that
they won't keep that that recon in tact.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yeah, his regord ain't intact no more. He got that.
He got that blimmy from that last he.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Did learn from from Floyd, right, and they say that's
the one thing called Floyd. Floyd did that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
And you know, but but if you think about Floyd,
who who didn't he fight though? Well he for you
about he didn't fight, well he for people, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
He waited. He waited, Floyd dunk pack you out for
five years. It took took.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Test just because he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
No, because hey, look at you're doing this Donald Trump ship.
Just because you say something don't mean that you're true.
My brother said, I take the test. I take the
Olympic test. He said, he take the Olympic test. What
he said is, I'm not taking Floyd Mayweather test. I
take what they give you an Olympics. But I'm not
gonna do what the you say. I'm not going to

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your doctor to get tested. No, I'll go to the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
That man, everybody know that man was on on on
that pound repellan.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Everybody all right, Well everybody was a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Nah, No nobody, I never heard that. Just bust your
podcast that I heard that Floyd was a.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Gad Loman check go backed out the fight that he
was supposed to fight tak.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Just now, but I'm saying, but for years Loman was
trying to fight him. Four years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Well, I mean, but if he tried to fight him,
and you can't say he didn't try to fight him,
he don't matter when he tried to fight, you know,
just like Kobe talking about with Floyd and Pakiao, he
backed out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
I mean, you know, if you try to fight somebody,
you try to fight him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
I mean, he he thought that he fought the Golden Boy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
In his prime when he was old.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Who co champion? He didn't fight him in his prime
though he didn't fight.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
He was the champion when he fought that other Spanish
Dominican dude when he was in.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
No, not Margarita, know what, what was the other dude
that was the best fight he had?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
That was pack not Packy. I'm talking about may Whether
the dude that may Weather just fought. You said Golden Boards.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Yeah, oh you're talking about this when wants his prime
doing that fight?

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Was he he was old? He was old. I'm talking
about no.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Look when look look that La Hooy was in his
prime when he fought that boy from the Dominican y'all
know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Was, Yes, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
That was a fight I might go in night.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
That's but during that time, Floyd wasn't trying to fight
none of them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
He wasn't on that level back then.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
No, no, no, no, mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
And what about what your thinking about Canelo and Crawford.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I can't wait to.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
I don't know, but I don't understand why Crawford is
going up two weight divisions and then not putting a
rehydrated He calls in walking in and bring about one
hundred eighty pounds man, so he ain't put the rehydration

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cars in. So yeah, no, uh, Terence Crawford. So when
if if uh Canelo is walking around one eighty two,
when he cuts all that water to get to one
sixty eight, once he rehydrate, he gonna be back up
to one eighty two and a lot of boxing matches
that you can't have every hydration. So if you if

(01:33:08):
you at one sixty, you gotta uh way in that
day of at the same thing. Oh so he gonna
come in there big as hell. And I like Crawford.
That's one of my favorite fighters right now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Mm.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
It did in his last fright, it didn't look like
his power transferred when he went up to one sixty
you know what I'm saying. And now he going up
to one sixty eight. That's now I think that he
can out box the shit out of Canelo. But I
ain't gonna let him beat Canelo just by out boxing

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and not you know, hurting him.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
When is the fight, oh, g frado, you know when
the fight is?

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
When September?

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
That's gonna be dope, Yes it is. Hey it's in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Huh m?

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
You sure about them? That's gonna be a.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Fighting nowhere else from Vegas, Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, just just just just to answer
the question earlier, when Mayweather and Dale Hoyer fucked, Dyla
Hoya was thirty four, Mayweather was thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Mm hmm yeah, and how many fights after that had
he had he retired.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
And that's when he got knocked out. Remember he got
knocked out by the dude. That's when that's when the
dude knocked him out cold.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Yeah, that that's what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
When you give me that, you don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
To do it no more?

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Said the Spanish dude that drink his own piss. Oh yeah,
he knocked Remember he knocked him out cold. He knocked
pack cold. He was knocked him out completely. He whopped
him like he whopoped him a couple of times. But
at one time, y'all know what I'm talking about. When
you yeah, yeah, I remember everything. Yeah, knocked them out cold.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Yeah, him he had remember he had the all access
and he.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
When he was getting ready to fight Floyd, And he
ain't talking about Yeah, I rehired and put all my
supplements and stuff back in you know whatever, whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
I ain't saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
But uh, you know, well, why what my self is
that I drink my own pitch? I said, Man, this
is motherfucker crank. What they gonna get you? A gatorate
of pitia?

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Like man?

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
Man on that. No, fellas Man, this was an awesome
show man. It was good being back with you guys.
Man again. Man, just get to chop it up and
talk about these current sports events and other stuff. Man said,
Any final words from from anybody before we get out
of here, Yeah, boom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
You got something I got? I just say, don't crash out, man,
crash out, man, crash out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
You know sometime you get in situations and you know
you mad because somebody don't punch you in your face,
so you crash out on people and just hit anybody,
and that person ain't had nothing to do with this situation.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Don't be that guy. Don't be there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Ain't no money, man, I know it's time to go now.
That's just like, that's like Michael Michael Irvis doing it,
don't do drugs segment, come on like he look no
cast for your podcast. Man, We appreciate you once again
for rocking Woods each and every week. Continue to us.

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We're gonna continue to bring you this heat. See you
next week, same time, looking forward to it. Salute, Salute,