TNCSSP S4 EP 158 | May 22, 2025

TNCSSP welcomes St. Andrew's Episcopal HS Women's Head Basketball Coach, BreAnna Gross to the show!#tncssp #wheresportsandconvoscollide #dopesportspodcast #coachbreannagross #basketball

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah, yeah, this is chill and I wonder. Welcome you
to a sports experience elect no oper, you announce it
that to the note capt Sports show with sports and
car host Told a City unapologetic, No.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Heads, No let the corvo begin, no count Welcome to
the No Cat Sports Show podcast with sports and combos Collide.
I am your host, Kobe Turner a ka Lakoba.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Now I am your co host, coach Thorn Hill from Hipworks.
Welcome to be back. We got old dog in the builder.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's up? Becauzo can't hear you? You're on mute. You're
on mute your music.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
But y'all wasn't gonna see me.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I made it. Oh, No, I knew you was coming.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I just knew I was.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Hey, come on, man, coming from the jail, moving around crazy.
All our listeners and viewers, y'all have to forgive me.
It's too I'm outside and it's one hundred degrees out here.
I couldnot wear no sleeves coming straight out the hot box.
I am not catching a cramp for nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
You hear me.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
It's one oh four out here, all red, Yeah, yeah,
everything gonna good. Man, just got a little work out
in Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Everything, man, going good? How was your week? How y'all
week then?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Good man? So far? Just grinding, you know, had had work,
but I'm off until next Tuesday. So that's always a
good thing. That's a beautiful thing. Brother, that's a beautiful thing.
And that's what's up. That's what's We.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Need some of that sunshine and this rain driving me
crazy out here.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh yeah, in that case, let me open up.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No no, let them get started, coach.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
I'm sorry, you get.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
The no no no.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
But I heard it supposed to be nice for the weekend. Though,
I heard supposed to be nice out there.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, it's supposed to be we'll see. No, I got
I got to play out in the morning, so I'm
not even gonna be in town where you go on
cut I told you to to the nwy.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
To okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure,
for sure. Nice No more, no more. That's what's up.
That's what's up.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Travel. Thank you appreciate that. But look, feelings like y'all
always you know, y'all hear me say this each and
every time, but it's it's facts, you know. I always
love these shows when we have a special guest coming
on to the show, and today we have a special guest.
Nice guest was a standout basketball player at the famed

(03:04):
DMV High School, Riverdale Baptist, where she was also a
star volleyball player, and then she took her talent to
a Division one JUCO Garden City Community College for two
years before transferring to slip Slippery Rock University, where she
completed her collegiate playing career. Since then, our guess has
made a name for herself and it's a recognition and

(03:26):
respect in the basketball world as an uber talent to
basketball coach and has already won a championship at Dunball
High School in Washington, d C. So, you know what,
without further ado, please welcome to the show. Saint Andrew's
Episcopal School here women's basketball coach Brianna Grosse, welcome to

(03:47):
this showing. All right, thank you for coming to vibing
with us. Coach Breed. We're gonna have a lot of fun.
We're just gonna chop it up. Like I told you offline,
it's gonna be like a cookout environment, barbershop environment. We

(04:08):
just gonna have a lot of fun, a lot of
last Yeah, yeah, yeah, So shout out. Let me.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Let me say this real quick. Shout out to Garden City, Kansas.
Almost went out there. I went on a visit out there,
and many they love. They do a good job with
their program as a junior college program, not only with
the basketball but the football as well. So I don't
know how it is when you was there, but uh,
they always had a great you know what I'm saying,
A good junior college sports program.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, shout out the Garden City man.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, Kansas is a strong Juco state period.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
My father went.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
My father went to Juco and Kansas. My my cousin
who was all met out here, went went out there
to one of those ju coodes. And then I almost
went to Dodge City.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Okay, right, yeah, yeah, I know a little about Kansas.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
W E b Yes, yes, yes, so so coach Brie
at the No Sports Show podcast. We like to start
from the beginning, you know, so I want to start with,
you know, when did you find your love for basketball
and who or what was your inspiration.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
It's kind of crazy. I was a soccer player at first, okay,
and I kind of had like a growth spurt and
it happened to be my godmother who she became my godmother.
She was my pe teacher elementary school. She was like,
you're tall. I would just play on the playground against
the guys. Really didn't know much, but just to play.

(05:48):
And she's like, you should play on my on the
elementary school team. I joined the team. We won like
two championships. Somehow they got word of mouth. I mean,
of course I played for Clinton Jets to Boys and
Girls club, but I played with the Belt with Lady
Krueger's and they're not even existing anymore, so.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
I kind of got yes, yes, yay. That was my
first club team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Clinton, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:16):
And I think I was the only girl on that
team too, Clint Justine, because it wasn't a lot of
girls back then, and then maybe maybe two other girls.
I don't want to say I'm the only one. I
can't remember, but it wasn't many of us. That was
with Beltweite Lady Krueger's, and all I knew they were
like get the ball, and I got the ball.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
That was it.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
I couldn't do nothing else. But that's kind of how
I got in the basketball. It's kind of like my chance,
I guess, Yeah, that's what's up.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Awesome. I know you got a lot of questions with
your daughter being a hooper, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well what what what interest was? It's cool that you
said that. You mentioned that you were a soccer players.
So I trained a lot of young ladies. And the
one thing that always notices that the soccer girls are
extremely physical like and that that's that's something that when
you said that, that jumped out and then you followed
back up said you played with the guys. So when

(07:12):
you out there with the guys, how much how much
respect did the guys give you or did you have
to you have to work a little harder being out
with the guys when we were playing.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
I want to say, like in elementary school, was kind
of innocent, you know. I think they kind of just like,
we're going to pick up break because you know how
to play. I think it was kind of one of
those things. I mean, I didn't mind getting physical. I
mean I was told that when I started to really
get into basketball and finding my passion that I played
like one of the dudes anyway, So I wasn't really

(07:42):
like one of those prissy basketball players like. I mean,
I had a couple of injuries and kept trying to play.
So that was just my mindset, like I'm trying.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
To win, like.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Compete and competing.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yeah, just very competitive. Always been kind of competitive. I mean,
I have a little big brother, so he put me
in the headlock. I think that made me tough too.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (08:05):
So to some of our listeners and viewers that don't know,
you know what I'm saying about your background and your history?

Speaker 4 (08:11):
What positions did you play in school?

Speaker 6 (08:14):
So throughout like Boys and Girls Club AU, I was
kind of like a stretch two four because of my life.
I kind of like a rose Burt so I could shoot,
but I was bigger enough, big enough for three, but
I was aggressive enough to play four, right, So that

(08:35):
was kind.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Of like.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Back and forth. But back then we didn't really know
like position. It was just like, all right, I'm four,
I'm gonna play at the four. I mean, I got
ranked naturally at the Adidas Phenone camp for being a four,
not for being what I went to college to be.
And when I got to college, I was the runt
and I was like a point guard shooting guard, so.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Kind of yeah, yeah, and coach, as you progressed through
the ranks, and it was time for you to enter
into uh high school? What made you choose Riverdale Baptists?
Was you recruited there? Was it another high school that
you were supposed to go to.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
So I was recruited by Riverdeal, but I was actually
recruited by a couple of schools, Riverdale, holy Cross. I
wanted to go to mclamere, but for some reason, it
just didn't align that way. Of course, i am recruited
me there and it was like four other girls with
me that she recruited. We ended up playing for Team
EXL kind of like funneled that way. So yeah, I

(09:42):
wanted to go to maclam here, but you know, got
other plans that I went to Riverdale and kind of
had a successful season until I ran into some feet
and knee injuries, like knee problems.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
So yeah, it was definitely when you saw uh Riverdale
coach was uh a little the man's coach, the boys coach.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
Then Yeah, Diane and Lil was there yet.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, that's that's that's my man. He was my au coach.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Oh that's what's up?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
You still do you still keep in touch with the
Riverdale program?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Are you still familiar with what they're doing out there.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Yes, So I actually at Dunbar my first year I
kind of put together. I mean, it was told to
me that I had one of the best non conferences
Dunbar had ever seen. Before we played Saint John's. You
played as L schools w C, a C. And I
went back to Riverdale and they kind of gave us
like an announcement, like, you know, Riverdell's own that's come
back here. And I played the game against them. So

(10:39):
and then Sean, who was the coach for but Williams,
kind of was still coaching there. He was one of
the assistants when I went to Riverdale, so it was
kind of like being back home.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So when you say, Shawn, are you talking Sean right?

Speaker 6 (10:51):
What is Sean? I don't know. I just always know
him mess coach that.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I asked about Riverdale because my daughter played for Virginia
Academy in Riverdale was one of their one of their opponents,
one of the rivalries. Actually, and Sean Wright went to
high school with me. He played football, We played football together,
and he is one of the women's coaches at Riverdale.
So I don't know if that's the same Shawn. And
that's why I was asking because I have a connection
with verdeal it.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Might be I know, I know that Seawan that I'm
talking about isn't there anymore, but he's still coaches for
but Williams.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So if it's the same, yeah, because him and him
and coach Walt Hamilton both coach at but Williams.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
So I think, yeah, yeah, perfect small world. Yes, indeed
it is small world, small work.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
So after you went to after you went to school
and you chose Riverdale, tell you know, tell our listeners
to rules and tell us, you know a little bit
about when did you know like you have the opportunity
you know what I'm saying, to go to college?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Was it after your sophomore year, junior year?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Did it click like right away your freshman year somebody
one of your coaches pull you to the side and say, hey,
we we feel like you might have opportunity to really
go take this thing to the next level and go
to college, you know? Or was it just you that
was that just your plan from the beginning when you
came into school, it was like, you know, I'm gonna go,
I'm gonna kill try to do my thing my freshman

(12:14):
year and the ultimate goal is to try to get
to school.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
So.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
You know, yeah, No, Honestly, I was kind of ignorant
of the whole thing. I mean, I was just playing
because I like to play and I was competitive. Towards
the end of my freshman year, of course, Diane had
ended up getting a college coaching job and I was
on my way to Holocross. I had transferred to holy
Cross and I had got a letter from Georgia. All

(12:42):
I knew was this Georgetown played against Past Summit, so
this is a crazy story. When I was learning about college,
I saw Past Summit she was playing a game where
they were playing a game against Georgetown. I thought she
was the coach for George and I was like for her.
And then I knew Alan Iverson, my favorite player, went

(13:03):
to Georgetown. So I'm like, oh, I'm stuck on Georgetown.
Found out later pasch Tennessee, not Georgetown. But I got
a letter from doors I gotta letter from Doorstown. Then
it kind of sunk in like the school where Alan
Iverson went. They looking at me kind of clicked like okay, okay,

(13:24):
let me let me take this a little serious. I
think I had a game at holy Cross where I
had like twenty two points and like six steals or
something like that. One of the best games I ever had.
I came home that night and I had letters, Like
I even put on my Instagram, like I had tons

(13:45):
of letters, and I'm like, what are all these? And
they were just addressed to me like how interested? We were,
Like we're I mean not just one or two, like
four or five, six letters, like they were just sending them,
sending them, And I'm like my dad was trying to
explain to me, like pretty good. You're gonna take it serious?
Are you gonna lie? I mean, this is called free money.

(14:06):
Like I'm like, okay, yeah, it kind of after that
first letter, it clicked, all right. Let me just that
what really started taking this out.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, the first letter is that you played volleyball. Did
you have any.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
No?

Speaker 6 (14:26):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I just.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Go ahead, go ahead from for volleyball. Yeah, I was
gonna ask you, did you have any interest in volleyball?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
No?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
No, So at Riverdale they made you play two sports
and I wasn't doing track. I just happened to play volleyball.
Happened to be all right volleyball, you know, So it
just kind of worked out that way. I mean, I
played softball, soccer, I mean I did everything. I mean
when I went to the Boys and Girls Club, I

(14:59):
went to a cheerleader and came out of soccer player.
So that's how that went.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
What what?

Speaker 6 (15:10):
It's the true story? A story I went in the
cheerleader and came out of soccer player. Literally.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yeah right, that's tough. What that's so?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
So?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Who was your toughest competition in high school? Both team
wise and individual?

Speaker 6 (15:32):
I want to say that growing up before we came,
before we became teammates, it US two one played with
me don't want to and I loved playing against them
because I feel like they challenged me. When was Haanah Marshall?
And when was a Terror Franklin? She went to UH
I think, Tiana went to Georgia Tech, I think, and

(15:54):
a Terror Franklin went to Virginia. And when I played them,
we were like all the same height, had different games.
But I just felt like anytime I played them, like
if I was the score on them, it just made
me feel like all right, because I just had so
much respect for them. I felt like we were equally yoked,
like growing up, like we hooped, like we were hoopers

(16:16):
and to know, like my journey didn't go D one
due to injury, but like they went just gave me
the gratification that I was, you know, right on their
level a little bit.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Yeah, that's what's up. Sure, that's what's up. That's what
sup you know.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So obviously you was being recruited. You told us about
the letters you receiving. So you go through your your
high school career. Now you're a senior. What made you
choose going out to kanzas Uh to play juco out there?

Speaker 6 (16:50):
That was a blessing in the sky. So my junior
year I ended up term myco. It started by me
going up the runner shoe because at the time it
was called runnering you.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I mean, we're not that old coach.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
I meant when I say when I'm talking to the
youngest and I say running, shoot, they're looking.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
At me like what. I'm like, we got some old
heads on here too now, So hey, I'm good.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
So yeah, I ended up tearing my a c L
in the game. I shouldn't have been playing and it
was a bunch of freshmen. But me, I'm like, why
not get some extra work in? My dad said, don't
you don't need to go. I kind of heard it then,
but my mindset was, if I can get up and
walk on it, I'm all right. So I wrapped it up,

(17:44):
went to practice, kept playing, went down to Michigan, and
that's when Nike Nationals was down in Michigan. Went down there,
went up for a layup and landed on the girl's foot.
Buckled it there, but couldn't get up that time. Kept
playing because I knew that next week we had an
opportunity to play from the Georgetown coaches. So that's just

(18:06):
where my mindset was. I'm gonna go play, and I'm
going like I wrapped it up and everything, and I'll
never forget this girl did this crossover. She thought she
crossed me up. She didn't. I just didn't have any
lateral movement because as soon as I went to step,
I fell, and then that's when I knew something's not right.

(18:27):
We went so Georgetown. I went to Georgetound Doctor. They
were really great. I got connected with doctor Clinplowitz, who
was at the Georgetound Doctor at the time, and found
out to my acl So it was really a blessing
of the s guies. I ended up going back to
Roaldale baptist my senior year in course, I am. I
don't know how the story aligned, but from my vision

(18:49):
looking in she she held like an open gym and
that was the first time I was able to play
outside of the one game I got to play and
she all I remember her saying, is all out right?
And I was like all right, And I went out
there and I hooped. Next thing, I know, I'm going
to a Long Horns and I'm signing to go to

(19:10):
Garden City.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
Wow, And I had and I had no idea Garden
City was in Kansas. I'm thinking garden City, New York.
So that was that was a whole other, right, I
mean I'm being honest, I'm thinking, like, okay, And at the.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Time, we didn't visits, know, no visit.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
This was straight off. I signed and then like two
months later, I was on a plane, right because this
was it. I mean we didn't. I mean, I had
a boost mobile. I'm looking on the internet to find
out where garden City was, you know, Like, so in
my mind, I'm like garden City. The only garden City
I know is I'm her garden City, New York. I

(19:58):
guess man, we get on that plane and we get off.
That we get off and I said Kansas figured three
hour ride two three hour ride from the airport to
the school.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Then it smelled like cows.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I was like, oh man, so how much of a
culture shock was that to you?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
I mean it was cows. It smelled like farm. I
hadn't seen real cowboys before, like stacks of hay. Like
it was crazy, Like I saw like a lot, like
a big old hog. They just cooked the hole. It
was even.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I mean, it was just crazy.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
I just never coming from d C going there was
such a cow tipping was a thing rodeo. I mean,
I just was. I mean the first year, I just
I don't. I thought I was in the dream, my
twilight zone or something.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I just was.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Was great, Oh my got cow tipping.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I was like, this is a real thing.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
This is crazy to me, like what you do for fun?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Like so you gotta so you got to explain that.
Now you can't just show that what is cow tipping
for the listeners?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
What is catip?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Okay, so cow sleeps standing up right, It's really mean,
it's really mean what you do. But what you do
is you go over there and you push the cow
over while they're sleeping and when they fall, they're like
they like go crazy, jacked up. It is so jacked up.

(21:35):
And then the game is to try to lift them
back up because if you can't, he's stuck because he's sleeping.
So then you try to lift them back up. And
first thing, I first time I've ever seen that was
like an extreme sport. I just never.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Do that. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
I'll never forget that.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
You went out.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
So when you went out to Garden City, did you
get some interest from the Kansas schools like Kansas State?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
He you.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Any of the you know, any of the schools in
the Kansas area, even some of the smaller schools.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
From my understanding, I had UTEP. They were ready to
sign me after my first year. But to be honest,
I'm not sure what happened with that. Okay, I could
have been a one and done, honestly, Okay, I had
a I mean my freshman year, had a pretty good
freshman year, so you.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Had so you had your grades, you was already a qualifier.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
You was just going because of your knee and your injury,
so you was just trying to get more looks. So
you could could have left right after that first semester.
I mean right after the first after your first season.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Yeah, because I had Drexel and Memphis before I got hurt,
and I've actually on my way to go do a
visit my second visit at Drexel. I had just came
off a visit from Memphis and I was going and
I was leaving. I was coming back after Nike Nationals.
I had planned to go to Drexel for my second

(23:16):
visit and I was it was between those two and
before I could get to my second visit, they had
already heard that in Nike Nationals I hurt.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Myself and so yeah, yeah, social that social media and
just with this DNA bread.

Speaker 6 (23:35):
Yeah, it was right.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
So for the listeners, coach, can you explain what the
level of competition was like the Garden City because I
don't think a lot of people understand that there's you know, well,
I'll let you explain.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
What what what was the level of competition I out there?

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Oh, I mean it's crazy. Put it like this if
you want to know. I went to school with Tyrek Hill.
So I'm Nick Marshall who when to Auburn. A lot
of us were like d one kids who went there
to get a year, so we were either injured, we
either were leaving. Back then, it wasn't no transfer portal,

(24:12):
so it's like that's where you went. I mean I've
played against some D one kids like the Jayhawk West
and jayhaw E Jayhawk East. Like I just sent my
senior to Hutchinson. Very competitive, always very competitive. I mean,
to learn about JUCO was an eye opener for me
because it's like you hear like, oh, you don't want

(24:34):
to go to JUCO or you don't want to go detail. No,
it's just the amount of kids that go there. The
talent is there. I mean, like I said, I went
to school with Tarbrek Hill, we know where he at.
I went to school with Nick Marshall, we know where
he ended up. I mean I just went to school
with people who were there for sports and who could
really I mean, we were all there to just handle

(24:55):
our business and leave. I think I went to school
with like a professional soccer player who was like overseas.
Like it was crazy, but at the time, we're just young.
We're not thinking nothing that, you know, We're just all
coming from DC, Georgia, Florida, you know, Washington State and
just coming here to get our opportunity to go where
we were supposed to go, and it was such like

(25:17):
a dog eat mentality, like nobody played around, like we
knew we were tight because we knew we were there
for a purpose. Some of us stayed, had to stay
two years, some of us was gone. I mean, it
was really just. I mean, people knocked you gos, but
I don't think you should.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I mean, yeah, you talking to hey, coach, you talking
to two almost j go guys right here?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Well three three? My bad? Yeah, because Gobi and I
almost went to a jugo.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
But somehow these prep schools let us sneak in there,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
But other than that, Oh that's why I said, I
took my visit to Garden City.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
I did all of Highland out there, Highland Community College,
and then you know, I went out Cali. So trust
and believe we know. We know about the juke go joint.
And if you it's not just in basketball's in all
sports because the ultimate goal when you go to those
type of places is excuse my language, is to get
the fuck out of it, right. Yeah, you got to

(26:22):
be on your brind So everybody, the ones that's focused,
you do sort of even at the prep school level,
you sort of lock in with the folks that's in
prep school, even though I mean the folks that got
that same mindset. It's like I'm trying to get out
of prep school. I am trying to go So you
one hundred percent right, it is like that, you know
what I mean. And it's not it's not just the
men's sports, and that's that's the reason why we're giving

(26:43):
you this platform so you can let our listeners and
viewers know it's like that on the women's side too,
you know.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
So yes, it's very competitive on the winnen's side. I mean,
if you just look at like the Netflix series how
the football teams in that area got put on for
how competitive they are in football. Basketball is just it's
the same way. I mean, it's in the Midwest, and
look at all those you got Wichita, you got k State,

(27:10):
you got Kansas, you have a whole bunch of nim
Naias out there, and you have all the schools on
the West coast. So you're just kind of in a
different I mean, I mean, coming from DC, all we
know is East Coast. When I went Midwest, it was like,
oh my gosh, Like I'm playing with a chick that
just came from k State and we on the same team. Yeah, crazy,

(27:32):
Or like I'm playing against the number one recruit who's
predicted to go to USC Like it was like going
to play in Colorado and all those places and playing
against a different talent and to see some of them
still in the WNBA or overseas. It's just great because
it's like, look, I play with some of the best
of the best, like you know, So I don't think

(27:53):
anyone should count out Juco. Now they got the new
rule where you can go to Juco and they don't count.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Oh, man, I would have been out Cali so fast.
I would have went out to Cali PC.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
I would have a man. I would have went out
that joint so fast. What and it don't count? Man,
I can stay. I was.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I was out in Tire, California. One of the things
I found out real quick. You have a mix of
all of your samoan and you know that that type
of apparatus out there, and you find out as soon
as you step on campus it is not a game.
You better be ready or you're gonna get You're gonna
be sitting on the sideline and they don't care how
good you were. You could be the top one hundred

(28:37):
kids from your state, but they flying the man brother
you you and like you said, you have to be competitive.
And it's just a quick eye opener, like, Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
You better be competitive because like she said, like oh,
doggy dope, doggy dog.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Everybody, Yeah, and shout out to Juko's be because man
is a is A is a big eye opener when
you get there, because you may thank you at a
certain level, but when you get there, you see you
got a lot of work to do. It's a lot
of improvement you need to do. Because I came out

(29:14):
of the DMV, you know, Virginia State Player of the Year,
first team, all met all that stuff. I go to
prep school. I see these dudes gladd from the free
throw line and doing all this crazy stuff. I'm like, damn,
I'm like, I ain't no, you know, I didn't know
it was like this because we had thirteen guys on
the team that all went d one, you know what

(29:35):
I'm saying. So so so when you go to those
type of schools, you don't you can't help but to
get better, you know what I'm saying physically mentally.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Everything because a lot of times back you know, back
in our day, coach, the guys that really went.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
There on as fuck back in up day.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
You try to make her say, oh, I'm like so
back in our day, you know, uh, you know, on
a serious note, it was it was it was the
guys that didn't qualify or the females that didn't qualify, right,
So you either they was trying to get that s
at score or they were just trying to do that
last you know, that postgraduate year to get that, you know,

(30:25):
to be become a qualified.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
So you know, it's a rock of dogs, you know
what I'm saying. Man, it is always I.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Tell people all the time. And now that the junior college,
it doesn't count against you.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Man, that's so lucky. Like they're so lucky. I mean
because if you think about where half of these jukos
aren't they're set up for you to owed to handle
your business. It was like, I mean the entertainment we
had in Garden City was Applebee's and Walmart.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
That was it.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
I mean, we got dressed up to go to Walmart
because we knew who we see people from God, because
I getting to Seward County was two hours away. I mean,
you had no choice but to just handle your business.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Coach, bring you put in that work at Garden City. Uh,
now it's time to make a decision what a four
year school you're gonna go to. So you decide to
go to our PA to Slippery Rock. But we went
into that decision for you go to Slippery Rock. And
before you answer that question, I'm sorry, I just got
to give a shout out, uh to my O. G.

(31:37):
C Russell, who's a Hall of Famer from Slippery Rock University,
one of the best point guards to come out of
d m V true O G. Salute to him. And
also my little brother, Frank Holloway Junior, who went to Rock.
Then we go small world. Frank Junior. That's my that's

(31:59):
my little brother.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Yeah, you got talking about Black Frank. Nah that funny coach.
It's a basketball player at who that we call him.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Black Franks Coach. Hey, look.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Coach better.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
They Hey, coach, welcome to the note Cap Sports Show.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Park.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Absolutely, I didn't mean the soundtrack, but you can love me.
Went it to your decision to choose Slippery Rock University
as your school choice.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
So Slippery Rock I found out kind of did my research.
That kind of fell in my life too, because once
the whole Utah thing didn't work out, I had already
been in Garden City two years. I kind of I'm
not gonna lie. I kind of was like, I don't
know what else I want to do. Like, I mean,

(33:04):
I had a good season after my knee, but I
wasn't the player that I used to be, So going
to Slippery Rock I ended up tearing my ACL again.
So the coach that was recruiting me, I came in
and did a private workout. Killed the workout, I mean,
because I was just like, oh right, this is it

(33:26):
I can do that, you know, killed the workout. I
knew that a lot of people from DC went to
Slippery Rock, so then that kind of eased my mind
a lout about it. And the campus was beautiful, and
what else I liked about it is that it had
a feel like you had your sororities and your fraternities,
you had your sorority role. I mean, it kind of

(33:47):
gave you that feel. I mean, because I'm not gonna lie,
Slippery Rock was definitely another culture shock for me because
coming from DC, going to the Sratz and Riverdale other
than holy Cross. I'm like, oh my God, like wow, okay,

(34:08):
so this is different. I just wasn't used to that either.
Granted I'm a biracial woman, but still, I mean just.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
It was different too.

Speaker 6 (34:18):
So knowing that they kind of still had that sense
of feel I had, it was a lot of people
there at the time from the DMV. It kind of
felt like, all right, I have I'm close to home,
but not really and this is way different than Kansas.
This is another culture shock. But I think I can

(34:40):
fit in here. And I ended up turning my ACL
on the summer league down at the Saint Mary's I
think Saint Mary's College. So I tore my ACL again,
but I was blessed because they they stood by their
I had signed, So this time I didn't do what
I did at Drexel. This time I went down there
and I signed, Okay, and then I came home, played

(35:03):
in a fall league. I'm gonna say like that next week,
and then to my AC again, I did what the
Rose did. I literally just took a step in it.
And that's for the other one.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
So you keep glossing over that that injury, can that
that speaks a lot to your mental fortitude. Can you
talk about how your mental state was when you when
you injured? That need a second time.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
So it was hard.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Back then, we kind of glossed over mental health, right,
We were just supposed to be tough, like figured out
would be all right, keep it moving. Mental health is
a big thing. I was like severely depressed for a
while because I didn't know what else I wanted to do.
And I went from being wanted to not wanted. I

(35:52):
went from opening the mailbox to having letters, to opening
the mailbox and having none. I went from having two
three phone to nothing. And when you think as an
athlete like oh, I've gotten good enough, you start thinking forward,
right like oh I'm gonna go to the WN, behavior,
I'm gonna go overseas, or I'm gonna do this. You

(36:13):
don't ever think about when you get injured. And then
no one ever talks about how just how everybody loves
a winner and they hate a loser. Well, now I'm
injured and nobody's talking to me, like nobody talked about that.
Like it was very It was very very hard. I mean, mentally,
I knew I was a hooper. I was competitive but

(36:35):
to know like your body doesn't move the same way
no matter how much, no matter how much work you
put towards it, I could never do the move again.
Didn't matter. And then when I tore it again, I
went into another like loss of identity. And it was

(36:57):
because I worked hard, got over the mental, did everything
I was to get back on the court. The moment
I start hooping again like I'm back normal, I got
shut down again. And then when I recovered from that,
I didn't know what type of I didn't know who
I was because now the mental kicks in and now

(37:19):
I'm kind of afraid because the second one, all I
did was take a step, like literally step, and it
just fuckled. So it's just like I kind of lost
my sense of identity. I didn't know what type of
basketball player I wasn't anymore. I went from being like this,
m h no, So.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
What kept you pushing? Like what what was your motivation
to keep going? And what kept you your spirits and
you know, in a positive.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
Place, because at that moment, that was the only thing
I was ever passionate about and I didn't want to
lose it.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Oh you know you, I ain't mean to interrupt you.
But you know, when I know you, I knew you
loved the game. And use my type type play is
when you when you even said you went to Juco,
Because that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, we're talking about
the we're talking about you know, the good things about
Juco and how it but but it's also you know
it's fucked up to now, you know, and you have

(38:16):
it takes a it, you know, I mean just being
you gotta have strong family to help you, you know
with the as far as the eating and the living
situations ain't really the best. And you know so for
when you said you you even went to Juco, you know,
I knew right then and there you gotta have a
passion and a love for the game, you know what
I mean. So you know that's that's awesome. And then

(38:38):
for you to you know, just solidify exactly what I
was thinking. I was like, man, she coach, gotta love
the game because anybody going to Juco and chase it still,
you know, chasing their.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Dream and believing in their dream, you gotta love.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
It because it's it's a messed up side, it's you know,
it's pros and cons to it now and they got
some tough cons right, you.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Know, yeah, so salute to you for real, that's that's
a beautiful sort. But let me ask you something.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Did you were you able to get your year back
because you tore your ACL in the summer right going
into Slippery re Rock? Did you was you able to
get your year back with I mean, so you see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Did you play?

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Did you still play two years? Did you sit out
that year and then play too?

Speaker 6 (39:19):
So what happened was I set out? I set out
that year. Okay, like, don't use your eligibility because at
the time we didn't have all the stuff that we
had now, you know, which is so weird to me
because imagine how many players that could have just gotten.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yep in school yep, yep.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, but we didn't have that. So the best thing
for me now till you use my eligibility and go back,
because once you go into the classroom, you use your eligibility.
It didn't matter if you played or not. So I
had to sit out a year and then I just rehabbed,
and then I played a year a Slippy Rock and
I and I started to peak towards the end, like

(39:57):
I started to like love it again. Like it went
from being like how can I explain it, like trying
to come back after two acls and I'm a little older,
and I'm like coming from like a juco and these
are like freshmen and sophomore. It just was such a

(40:20):
different atmosphere for me. I started to peek towards the end,
just for me to kind of tweak money again. So
I never finished my basketball career. I had went to
the doctor. He kind of told me. I kind of
blamed it on school because I at the time, I

(40:42):
was like, oh, I didn't take the right class. No,
I couldn't fathom that I had worked so hard and
I got hurt again.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And then the.

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Conversation was, you might need to have surgey again. I
can do it, but you'll sit out. I cannot do it.
You'll make it worse. Or I think it's about time
you hang it up, because I mean at this point,

(41:11):
I'm like twenty one, twenty two, Yeah, you know, like
so that means I get surgery. That means I'm not
playing against till I'm twenty four and back then, back
then for me, that was unheard of us. You're not
playing anymore when you're twenty four, you're either in the league,
or you're somewhere else, or you're working at a bank
or something. You're not playing college basketball anymore. So yeah,

(41:33):
I never I never finished out my basketball.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
So see Russell said marrow Fieldhouse.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
Yeah, now it looks all great they read it.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So so, coach bring you mentioned at one point you
said you you found out love for it again? Did
that did that love transition to you wanting to be
a coach?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
When? Is that when those sparks started to go off? Like,
you know what, I'm not going to play anymore, but
I can still contribute to this game in another way.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
Kind of. So I didn't want to coach. Oh wow,
I got into coaching by accident. And I tell this
story all the time. I was actually at home soaking
just in my feelings, wasn't doing nothing. And my old
high school coach, her name was Nicki Lewis, she calls
me and she's like, what are you doing. I'm like,
I'm doing nothing because I had no idea. Like That's

(42:39):
why I stressed the importance of having to plan b
I had no idea what I was good at out
started playing basketball. But I had no idea. I was
so just I don't know, real hoo.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
You're a real hoopa, because that's how we are. Who
we going to do after basketball, That's how we all.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
I was just at home feeling sorry for myself for
like a little like a little while, and then I
even cut my hair. I was going through like a
young crisis. I don't know when I chalked all my
hair off. My parents came home like what in the world.
I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
I'm just he collach, What you trying to say? I
got what's what you're saying, coach, oh Man, knock it off?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Man.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
So she calls me and she's like, come up to
Capital Christian and they're not around them more. I don't
think it was up at the church. It was like
right down the street from River Baptist and they were
like considered a fifth year of school for a little while.
I get there and I come in there and they're

(43:52):
like little kids playing basketball. So I'm like what she's
I'm like, I want you to help me, coach. I
was like, no, like I don't want to coach. I
want to play, Like I don't I don't know how
to coach like I don't know what to do, Like
I don't know what to tell them. She was like, well,
you're just you're gonna come help me coach, So no,

(44:14):
it's answer. But got me a polo. Everything made me
come to those practices like it would blow me up.
If I didn't like, where are you kinda I would come,
wouldn't be paying attention worth nothing because I did not
want to be there. Okay. I just was like, I'm
want to play. I'm not trying to watch these little kids.
Like that was my demeanor. I hate. I hate that
I had that demeanor because look what it did. But boom,

(44:36):
fast forward. Title nine is at the armory.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Right.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
She calls me like, are you at the game. I'm like, yeah,
we're waiting for you. It's two minutes left. She goes,
I'm not gonna make it. I got a flat tire.
I'm like, what you mean? It's just me and you?
So if you don't come, what does that mean? She goes,
that means you gonna have to coach.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
I looked.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
I look over at my father. He's like, what I said,
Nikki's not coming. He's like, it's your time, you go,
you go I'm like, I know I was read. I
know I was read, and the kids is just looking
at me, and I'm like my heart dropped. I'm like,
are you sure you're not gonna make it? She's like no,

(45:20):
I'm like thirty minutes away. I'm looking at the clock.
It's two a way until the game starts. Also, I'm
coaching against coach Bullock, who I played against. He's like
a legend coach. I'm like, oh my gosh, like what
am I going to do? He's like, my Dad's like,
you got this. You got to show up. You can't
let them lose. I'm like looking at these kids and

(45:43):
they're literally looking at me, like, so what we're gonna do?
Because mind you, I ain't been paying attention to nothing.
I don't know no play. I don't even know what
defense they've been doing. All of a sudden, I look
at who we had. We had a sinner. I knew
the one girl cause shot. We had a point guard.
So I was like, all right, we just gonna run
the place that I ran in college because I had
to play point guard. So I drew the play up.

(46:06):
It worked, they made the shot. Then I was like, okay,
we're gonna play man and man and y'all just switch everything.
And that's been my philosophy since y'all switch everything. Next thing,
I know, we won the game. Wow, we won the game.
And I was sitting there like, hmm, that wasn't that bad,
you know, like, all right, next game, we won a game.

(46:29):
Come to find out, that's the only two games that
have won.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (46:34):
And then it just took off from there and I
was like, oh, this is easy. All I gotta do
is job plays and y'all gonna run the plays and
y'all listen, and okay, shoot, you ran it better than
we did in college. Like literally, that was my mindset.
And then I got into a you after that, got

(46:55):
into Juco after that, got into Division one after that,
got into semi pro after that, got into my head
coaching job.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
After that, Wow, that's dope.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
A little to you, man, A little to you, that's dope.
That's dope. That's a that's a great story. So let
me ask you a question real quick. We normally save
it for the lightning round, but I'm gonna ask you
a quick question.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I want you to answer it. Uh it's you know,
just for one word, what type of player.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Were you.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Gone, Oh, that.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Was tough, Salu. Yeah, I hear that you're doing everything.
You get rebounds all that.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
That's what. Yeah, that's what's up, Lou slut Hey coach.
I know you got some questions for especially.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, I was a listening to because again one of
you know, I always mess with all about this because
Oh has one of the great personality that kids gravitate to,
but he has a type of kid that he wants
to work.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
He ain't even let me finish with a certain kid.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
How did you figure out what age range was perfect
for you as far as you're able to tolerate, because
I can only imagine that. I was kind of saying,
once you once you're finished plan and then you go
back and you get involved with kids, that's that's still
learning the game. You still have that passion to play,

(48:37):
and maybe not all the kids have that passion play.
What was your sweet spot?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Like what did what?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
What was your age that you found out Okay, like
I could really do this, Not that you were winning,
but you was like, okay, I could, I could really
help with this group of kids, and and and really
like dove into it.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
From that point, I want to say it was like
the the the age right before they transition to college,
like that freshman age, so like the sixteen through eighteen.
And it is strictly because I wanted to be the
voice I never had because I made a lot of

(49:15):
my dumb decisions second guess myself, and all I had
in my corner was low key my dad. But we
all know when we listen to someone else that says
the same thing your parents says, it sounds better coming
from that. So I didn't have a lot of women
who played sports who were that extra voice for me.

(49:37):
I mean, I used to work out with coach Keith
Willie and I've kind of be the only girl there sometimes,
and then my dad. So it was just it wasn't
a lot of women advocacy for me. And I think
if I had a younger female or even just an
older one constantly pouring into me like, look, your dad

(49:57):
is right, or this is where you're great, this is
what you should do, or at the next level, this
is what it looks like. I'm not saying I wouldn't
have tore my acl, but I do think I would have.
It would have happened later on, and I would have
had more longevity in my career because I was just
making decisions, ignorant decisions like if you don't know, you

(50:18):
don't know. And then my dad learning like, oh wow,
you know, I got this. He was a football player,
so basketball is new for him too.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:26):
By the time my sister came around, he was a pro.
But I was the you know, the bait like trying
to figure out what works what doesn't. So I didn't
have a lot of advocacy. So that age is where
I was like, I want to be the voice for
the young women that I didn't have because they were
just things that I went through and I didn't know

(50:46):
who to talk to you about.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
So you tapped right into that mentor in spirit. So
it was bigger than the game for you.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Yeah there you go. Yeah nice, that's trucking, that's trouble.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So coach Braid, you coached in like you said, you
coached JUCO, you coached Division one. You were even a
director of basketball for the men's team at Common State
when you went and got that job at Dumbard, though,
how did that come into fruition? Did you apply for

(51:19):
did somebody reach out to you? What was it about
Dumbard that wanted you to go ahead and grab that
job because they are legendary school out the district.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
So I got a phone call. I was actually down
at the Final four a Houston, going to some of
the classes, trying to make connections. I had just finished
my masters, so I knew that coaching college was something
I wanted to do. But I know to be taken
seriously in a male dominating industry, I'm just gonna have

(51:51):
to have a resume. So I had put it out
there that I wanted to have some head coaching experience
and kind of get my resume going. And if it
wasn't for Kenny, who is a football coach at but
we went to school together, he calls me. He's like, yo,
I got an opportunity for you. I had ran into
him at the CI Double A's before. I think it
was either after I came back. No, it was before

(52:12):
I went to the Final four CEE I Double A's
and we were chopping it up and we kind of connected.
So it came full circle. So I went through the
Final four looking for a job and the job found me.
So he calls me about dumbar, I'm like, dumbar, My
grandma ran track there and so did my aunt. So
I'm like, okay, I look it up. I'm like, oh,

(52:33):
they got a pretty good program. They've been winning, you know. Okay.
So I'm like, all right, he goes, you need to
call the ade like right now.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
So I call him.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
I sent him my resume my flight home. That next day,
I was at Dunbar for an interview. Wow, kind of
just a line like it was, I mean, very grateful.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
It's just the way that a line like that, like
yeah so so so tell out viewers and listeners how
that season that Dumbbar went for you, How that whole
season came into fruition.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Well, I already know I stepped into a winning program.
I just like to think that I find toun in
some things, you know, like made it look a little
bit more shinier, you know. Like I said, I was
told that I had one of the best non conferences
in the DC. I double a at the time. I
gave me I put the girls on the stage. I
knew with putting a girls on the stage that what

(53:29):
comes with that though, you know, like when you expose them,
you exposed them. So I mean we played against Saint John's,
we played against We went to Williams, we went to
the SIGHA game, we played against Paul the Six. We
we played against Georgetown, Visitation Georgetown. These are all connections
I had because those coaches were still coaching from when

(53:51):
I played, So I was very blessed for them to
be like, yeah, come on, you know, because I'm looking
on the roster and I've seen that they never played
in these schools before. So I'm like, well, let's go
ahead and prepare them for the biggest thing in the
DC I Double A is States, and from what I
had learned, Dunbar women's team could never get to the States.

(54:16):
So my mindset is all right, well, we're gonna win
this to go to the States, and my non conference
is gonna prepare us for that. Because the first team
we played was like Moray or Carrol or one of them.
I dealt with a lot of challenges, political stuff. I

(54:36):
was bringing college down to high school, so I already
knew what it looked like at the next level. So
either we're going to perform to a culture and we're
gonna get it together, or you gotta go because I'm
not ruining my reputation in lying for you right, If
I tell a coach that you're a great kid, you
have to be a great kid, and it's no shade.
But when they come back to me and say that

(54:57):
you're not, that's my reputation, that's my loss of value,
And now they're never going to take my word for
granted again. So I had to set the tone, you know,
remove some bad eggs a little bit, and I know
a lot of people didn't agree with me, but it
didn't shake us the way they thought. It actually made
us better. We actually went undefeated. Then it was like

(55:17):
a lack of resources. Uh my family was driving, Like
my brother was the school but was the van driver
for us, because we didn't have the money to get
to some of these things that they said that we
could do.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
So a lot went into the outcome and then putting
those girls on the stage like that and having them
run a five our offense and having them run the
Sacramento King's offense, which I don't think people knew. I
mean it looked good for us. I mean we were
just doing things. Like the player that became MVP for

(55:53):
me was a player that no one was kind of overlooking,
and she and she got player of the Year for me.
So it's like, I think we had the right pieces,
you just didn't know how to play. So boom. Then
I got my only senior into college. So, like I said,
I came into a winning program. Not knocking that at all.
I was very grateful for it. I just think I'll

(56:15):
find tuned some things and put players that people weren't
looking at in different situations. So that season I had
Player of the Year, My center got MVP in the game.
Some of my kids were like first team and second team.
The only senior I got her to college that a
division on juco CCPC, I think it was a no

(56:35):
Baltimore Community College and I had raised five grand I
mean I did everything that you was supposed to do
coming into a program to keep on excelling in the
right direction that it's supposed to. I mean, they're a
winning program. So that first year was great. I mean
it was a lot, but it was great because we

(56:57):
went undefeated. We won both you know, we I mean
I got the kids looked at. I mean the kids
were being girls that probably excuse me, weren't getting what
they thought they deserved. Were getting it now because they
deserved it. In my opinion and what I was trying
to do there. I can't speak for what someone else
thinks I was doing, but that was my intent and

(57:17):
why I did it.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
So wow, hey, look you got That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
That's that's But so.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Now you said that, you said dubar hi and you
have a lot of expectations. So how do you prepare
going into that second year at Dumbard?

Speaker 6 (57:40):
So the second year I lost. I lost, like my
host turn five, one got hurt, one was leaving. But
I was okay with that because I'm in the business
of better. So if you're leaving a school and you're
going to a private school with great education, and they
see your worth and and they want you to play

(58:00):
and they and they can have different avenues for you
than me. I'm no hater. I'm not hating at all.
I'm in the better business. So I mean I'm in
the business the better. So let me help you get there,
and let me make sure everybody lying till you say
I'm gonna give you a full ride day lion, you know,
let me make sure that if you're gonna go, it's
done right, because I'm not I know what it's like

(58:22):
to be lied to. You know, I know what it's
like when they tell you like, oh, yeah, you're gonna
play every minute. No you're not. No you're not. You know,
and women it's hard for women's basketball, you know. So
if I can be one of the good people in there,
I'm gonna be one of the good people in there.
So yeah, I lost a lot of players, but I
have conversations with them like, no, you should go to

(58:43):
this school, and you know what, you can do the
interview in my office. Okay, do the interview in my office.
I want you to go to the school. But if
you've got to go to that school, okay, oh you're
gonna leave to go to my zion. Cool, let me
call the coach because I know, make sure she all right,
make sure she good, you know, like if it's no hating,

(59:05):
it's no hating in me, right, you know, like because
I what was best for them and they didn't owe
me no loyalty. I'm new, you know. I was grateful
that they gave me the year and we won, but
they didn't owe me no loyalty after that. They did not,
you know, And I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
you need to stay at dumb bar. No, you gotta
do what's best for your kids, and if going there

(59:26):
is best for your kids, then okay, let me help
you get there. I was in a rebuilding so answer
all that. I was in a rebuilding year team full
of freshmen soccer players, volleyball players, girls that never played.
Still got sixth places, still got my senior or full
ride the Howieson Community College, still made it the playoffs.

(59:48):
And I say that, what a little bit of off
behind it, because there are coaches in that league that
still haven't made the playoffs. So the fact that I
was able to come off a championship team turn take
a pencil that you you didn't give me a sharpener,
took a pencil and sharpened it myself, and we still
made some noise. Still, I mean, still got to the playoffs.

(01:00:09):
I knew even though I got a new opportunity, I
knew coming into this year or we were gonna be
dynamite because those girls hadn't experienced what they experienced their
first year. But now they're going into their second year. Ready,
they know what it looked like. They're not scared. We
played them before. They are I know that. So it's
it's different. You know, when you're building a program and

(01:00:30):
starting from the bottom, you got to put them in
those uncomfortable situations. So that's how you build great teams.
That's how you build I mean, my vision for Dunbar
was to create like a high school Juko, get all
the best freshmen, sophomore come to Dunbar, get better, fine
tune some things, use our league to better your game,

(01:00:53):
and if you got to go, go, That's how you
create powerhouse actually houses, right, like, so why not do it?
And it's already got the name and you're already been winning.
Why not keep doing that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
You know, I don't know why more college coaches don't
do that. I think college coaches on all levels would
be would be better and create better programs now, because
you have to almost if you're not one of the
bigger powerhouses, you sort of have to look at your
school as like I'm going to be a school that's
going to propel these young men or these young women
to another school. Right yeah, let me let me get

(01:01:29):
those ones that just fell under the cup. Let me
recruit those right, tell them come here. I'm gonna help
you with your game, help you get right, like you said,
and then go, I don't know why more college coaches
don't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
I think they would. They would have, they have to.
I think they. I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
You want to compete for the championship. Yeah, you can
still compete for a championship with the with you know,
with the younger ones. But I think it would be better.
I think a lot of programs, and I think a
lot of coaches if they took that you know, philosophy
that youre talking about, I think they would have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I think they will have some great programs all here
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Well, I think I think I think the thing that
that you're speaking on is true because what what I
believe a lot of these college programs are afraid of
is failure. And what coach definitely has has exhibited to
us is just a short period of no. She's tough,
like she she's she has a winning mentality, so it
don't matter, and she's confident in what she's able to
do as an individual, so she pours it into Like

(01:02:25):
she said, you had soccer players, volleyball players, girls.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
But you're confident.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
What you're saying you had good, so you're gonna be
You're gonna be successful.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
And then you get goons.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
And if you get goons to believe in each other
and play for each other, you're gonna have a good
program and you're gonna be good.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
That's like that's winning, Like and I don't think you
understand that. Like that is winning when you could take
a group of people who have never done something before
and make them believe, make them want to be better
like they were just showing up because they wanted to.
That for me is winning as a coach.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
I had a volleyball player say I think I want
to play basketball again next year. She was there for volleyball,
never played back, I mean, and and had people talking
like she's good. I'm like, I know she plays volleyball,
you know, like to go that far and like try

(01:03:33):
to build that confidence in them. And I mean, for me,
that's why people was like, well, you didn't win. No,
I actually did. I did because I too, I took
a group of girls. Outside of three basketball players, I
only had three. I had kids come and leave because
they wanted to play for what looked good. They wanted
to play for that sthetic. They wanted to play for,

(01:03:54):
Oh well I should go here instead of just buying
into the process of I need to get better. And still,
like I said, I got six plays and once the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
But but your.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Definition of winning, your definition of winning coaches big picture,
like you ain't worried about the actual record. You're looking
at the outcome and that and that's again, that's what
a lot of coaches missed. They don't want to take
that chance because it's so built on the actual wins
and losses. They don't want to wait for the big picture,
you know, And so sometimes it just takes that confidence.

(01:04:28):
And so like I said, that, that's just your personality
that you're putting over top of them, which is which
is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
So to you, like like like our brothers say, better
on yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Yeah, sht bro, shout out the answer, shout out the GT.
What's up, big bro?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
What's up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Everybody? To everybody? You speaking that stuff? Coach, that's what's up?
What's up? That's what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
You got me locked in?

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
So what was so?

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
What's next? Talk?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
So you leave?

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
What's next? Well?

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
I was grateful for Dunbar giving me my first head
coaching job opportunity. We had a lot of transition happened
at Dunbar, though, that kind of led ultimately to me leaving.
So I had got kind of pulled into a meeting
and we had got a new ad and he kind
of wanted to hire people under his leadership, and me

(01:05:31):
being who I am, I questioned that a little bit.
I was like, you know, I had got this like
with no disrespect behind what I'm saying. I had got
like a little report card about what I was doing,
and it seemed like a lot of stuff was just
pretty much neglecting what I had done the first year
up until this year. Like I said, it was just
a lot of what you lost players, not thinking about

(01:05:53):
was it better for the kid?

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:55):
It was more so like oh you lost players, you no, no, no,
And it's just like but she went somewhere great, she
wants somewhere better. I mean, isn't that what we want
for our inn like our kids, like we want better? Right?
We don't have no funnel system in the inner city.
We don't have no JV system for girls. Wow, So
we're doing the best that we can. And if there

(01:06:16):
and if we put them in the right situations to
be seen, why not let them be seen?

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
So I get if you don't understand my vision and
my purpose why that would look crazy And I'm not
gonna argue with that either. You know you know what
you don't. So I was pulled into a meeting and
it was like, well, we want you to reapply for
the job. I said, hmm, now let me ask you this.
If I reapply, that means you don't have to hire

(01:06:44):
me back. That means you've opened my job up for
someone else to get it, and based off this piece
of paper, there's no reason why I have to. Well, no,
but I want you to because I want it to
be the people that I hire. I said, okay, with
all due respect, do not mistake my loyalty for not

(01:07:05):
having options. So the word got out that I had
to reapply. I got phone calls the next day. One
of them was Sidwell Saint Andrews. So I took the

(01:07:29):
Saint Andrews job, had a conversation. The Sitwell conversation came
right after I had locked in with Saint Andrews, so
it just let me know that, Okay, you all see
my worth. I've talked on panels with you. I sat
on a panel with the Sidwell ad and had no

(01:07:50):
idea that I did that, and he was just like,
I love what you said to the kids, and I
love what you said, and I knew blah blah blah blah,
and I was just like, wow, I'm so grateful because
I had no I did. I was just being myself.
So I get off the phone with Andrews. They're like,
we love you. You know, it's no pressure. We know
building a culture and a system takes time, and we

(01:08:13):
want we want that. We like what you got going on.
So it just showed me my what I said was true, like,
don't mistake my lower teth when I have an options.
How is a place that has more resources, more everything
seeing my worth And I'm right here in your face
and you don't see it. So I know, God don't
make mistakes. So I took the opportunity and we just

(01:08:37):
and then moved on from there. And I was honest
and upfront. I told my coaches, I told the people
that matter, and I told my players that I't got
nothing to do with you, you know. But I'm not
gonna lie either, yeah, you know, because I'm not in
the business of that either. If I'm gonna speak, if
I'm gonna say I'm authentic and I'm gonna be honest,
and I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
So.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
You know, like I love y'all, I'm still here for you.
I still want what was best for you. Shoot, some
of y'all can come with me. You did, and this
is to be true. I went back into the city
and asked some of them girls to come and me. Yeahime,

(01:09:24):
they just need the opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Right getting out there, seeing those resources, probably that beautiful
campus on That's what it's about.

Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
The closest shock was the best thing that ever happened
to me because I knew that there was something outside
of the city. It was something outside of the d
N bye. So that's if it can be as small
as going to a school up the street that has
really nice grass and good classrooms and whatever the case
may be, let me go ahead and push that narrative

(01:09:54):
for you, so when you go to these big time schools,
you're not afraid to go there because you ain't never
seen it before.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
That's what's up. That's what's up. The resources. It's the resources.
You know you they opened up them doors and opening
up resources to you. I'm pretty sure you had your
own bus driving.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
Now, you didn't have to have your brother to the
a D And he's like, oh, you know, like I've
tried to put together a midnight man's a dunbar, you know,
race community, but I called it a night a piece
because there was a lot of gun violence. So Ray
Grant had came there. I was trying to do all that.
We have vendors there and everything, performers, everything, like try
to get the community, try to get people to buy in.

(01:10:33):
I'm going to say Andrews and I'm like, so you
know I did that. They were like, Coach, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Our job already done.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
We just wanted to coach. I was like, okay, so
what about the busses, you know, because I'm like I
had to this is all the things that I'm not
to downplay where I was blessed to even be here. Yeah,
just to just say like that was my mindset. And
he's like, Coach, you got busses like it was on.

(01:11:00):
It's like the way he was responding to me was
just like, how are you not like you know what
you're talking to Like, I say, well, what, you know,
how can we do fundraising?

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Coach?

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
You don't got to do that? Well, I want to
do a midnight mane, we already got that. It's a
pep rally. We already well, you know I was thinking
about doing this, We already do one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Like.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
It was just crazy that all the things that I
was trying to bring, which I didn't mind, I liked it,
you know, like I like doing stuff like that, was
just already given. So that's where the whole worst thing
comes from. It's just like, how can someone with all
of that already figured out see my worth and I'm
looking right at I'm right here next to you and

(01:11:43):
you can't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Like what?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
So it goes back to another point, like some people
don't mind they don't mind losing because they're losing their
way and they just can't get out of their own way.
So you step out of that way, let them do
what they want to do, and you go do what
you get how to do what's meant for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
So seeing that and kept it moving.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
About Coach, that's what it's about. Coach.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
Trust me, man, we were in the coach and coach
Milton and now we in that business. You know what
I'm saying too, with the kids, and uh, you know
what I'm saying. It's crazy that we're talking about that,
because Trade just text me. We got a young man
that I mean, coach he could man. I kicked him
out the drift, told him leave me alone over there.

(01:12:31):
I can't you know, I go, I sent him out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
I couldn't do it. Coach, I can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Take your ass over then with coach Milton. Get right,
we're talking about it, right, you know what I'm saying.
We're talking about it. No, we had him since the
eighth grade, going into the ninth grade, no star, you know, worked,
worked his butt off, got better and better, always made
daily deposits, wind up getting the most offers in his

(01:13:05):
class at his school, wind up having old twenty something
offers all over right, committed to James Madison right, but
then got a late offer from Syracuse University.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
He just went.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
He just went this weekend. And he just texted me just.

Speaker 5 (01:13:22):
Now while I'm on the podcast, and I told him
to turn to the podcast, so I hope he's watching.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
He got his conditioning test tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
And he was like, we only we got fourteen one
tends and he laughing, he said, that's nothing from what
y'all used to do to me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
And to see to see him not.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Have no, no, no offers, no scholarships, no nothing to
go to now being at Syracuse, that's what I'm saying,
that's what it's all about. So salute to you, man,
because I know how it is when you're dealing with
these kids, man, and to have that mindset.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
We need more of that in all sports, all of us.
So salute for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
I gotta give you another round of absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
Hey, his name his name, I called him Timothy. I
don't even call he was messing up so much coach.
I gave him a name and I called him Timothy.
I don't even call him by his real name.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Oh oh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
The crazy part is, Hey, the crazy part is I
just told him we just ran fifteen cut one tens.
Before he went down, I said, I don't know what
they're gonna how you do, but you know how we're
gonna get our headwork.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
So let's go. So the fact that they got fourteen
he's like, that ain't gonna be nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Rights, He ain't even got no, it ain't no cut.
He just running fourteen one tens, no cut. Oh wow,
that's why he like, yeah that ain't that ain't Yeah,
that ain't that's a warm up.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
So salute to you, though, coach, that's awesome, man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Loot to your coach, and salute to you old dog
and coach Milton all yeah, Look, though, it takes a
lot of perseverance, you know what I mean, a lot
of love for the game and a lot of love
for those kids to you know, stick in there and
get them to where they need to be, because I mean,

(01:15:21):
y'all come out to see some of the games I
coached some of those kids I had. I couldn't do it.
I said, I'm doing you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
I called.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I called, I said, I'm not coming back next year.
I'm not doing it. I'm just like you kids.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Obi had some wild boys though, man and he had
some wild boys teammates fighting each other halftime Crazy Man,
Wild Boys Man, Old boys Man. It takes a lot,
Man takes a lotsolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
So before we move into the rapid fire section of
the show, I just had one more question because Coach
Milton kind of asked us in the beginning of the
show about you gaining respect as a player from the guys.
How was it gaining respect from your your your men, counterparts, coaches,

(01:16:23):
ads players? What was that a challenge to gain respect
for them as in the coaching space.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Yeah, it is actually like be transparent. Until I started
talking basketball, that ain't the first thing people. A lot
of people though I was a cheerleader, and a lot
of people didn't think I was a hooper. And in
the beginning of my journey, if I can just be
very transparent, it was. It wasn't a lot of respect.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
They were they were judging the book. They were judging.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
They were judging the book. And you already you already
get the stereotype if you are an attractive woman to people. Oh,
that's how you got the opportunity. But that's how I
really prided myself and my journey and learning all aspects
of it, getting an education, going to the different parts

(01:17:18):
of it, like coaching here, coaching there. Because I knew
that when it was my opportunity to show for it,
that I would show up and then you would have
no choice but to respect me first and then be like,
oh and she and she got baby hairs. Cool, you know,
like so it's hard. You know, I tried to put that,

(01:17:40):
it's very it's hard. I didn't get a lot of
opportunities because of the way I look to be honest,
I mean, I had coaches flat I'll say, I can't
work with you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Wow mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
And I won't say what else was said, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
And it was just like I'm trying to coach basketball,
like I don't even care what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
But extra stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
It was it always comes with extra stuff. So to
be able to build my portfolio and have and win
and do certain things too, I'll shine that a little bit.
I mean, it was all worth it because now I'm
getting opportunities for you to hear me speak, right, And
now now you know where my mindset is. Now you

(01:18:26):
know the type of coach I am. Instead of just
looking on my Instagram picture, now you know like, Okay,
she a hooper, Okay, she did this. Okay, she's like this.
But I know that it was just divine time and
when it was going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
So so Saint Andrew's Episcopal that's what we know us
old back in the day, right back in the day.
That's the Episcopal across the bridge Calle. No, no, no, no, no, Okay,
it's a different it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
A different house. You talk about you talked about Episcopal
High School and Alexandria.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Okay, that's a lot of people thought. No, I'm in Potomac, Maryland.
I'm in the is SL league. So I played Bullets
with friends. Oh yeah, you go to Maryland, you go
shout out to Chris Samuels and Potma. Shout out to
my nephew. He is the My nephew is the assistant

(01:19:22):
athletic director at Bullets. Scholar Springs.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
Shout out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Yeah, so if they connected to play a game or
something or whatever, Yeah, dag salute, that's what's up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Hey feathers, let's let's get into this
uh rapid fire game with coach be I know y'all
got some rapid fire questions for and don't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Make it easy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Y'all always let out guess all easy man, give us
some tough questions. Coach, you got something?

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
I really, I ain't even go like I ain't got
nothing for you'll, I got one, I got one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Go ahead, Coach, you can bench.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
Start Oh, cut Lebron Kobe.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
And then go John, then start out wrapping fire.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
I'm I'm I know a lot of people don't hate
me for I know a lot of people are gonna
hate me for this, but I'm cutting Lebron and I am.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
On the show.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
Hey, hey, go ahead removing man she's talking about. She's
starting co pay.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
You know why you want to know why?

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
You want to know why those two players, respectfully, those
two players are cry babies.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Michael Jordan. No, he was not a baby, So you
so you start Michael Jordan.

Speaker 6 (01:20:59):
Mm hmm. Know I'm starting Kobe. I'm benching Jordan's Hey, coach,
he said what she said, and I'm cutting Lebron. But
I'm not a Lebron fan, so.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Gonna make me take a shot of bird dang, coach break.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
I'm not saying he's not a great player, like I said,
I already I'm gonna catch a lot of smoke for it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
But I've never.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
I've never been a Lebron James like super fan. I meant,
I mean he's a great player, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
But that's what's up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
So I don't have a I don't have a rapid five.
I would love to get your take, just being like you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Said, a mix about racial woman, give me your take
on the Caitlyn car Angel Reese.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Mm hmm. That's going on right, good question.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
I think it's a narrative they're trying to paint and
and and I hate that they're trying to paint. Angel
says like this, like aggressive person. And then Kaitlyn Cart like,
no salon because there's other players that do all the time.
And it's reverse throw. I mean, like Diana Tarassi was

(01:22:07):
a big I mean, that's my best that's my favorite player.
She's a big old butthole.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
I mean, like, and.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
Everybody knows it, you know, it was no shame in
her being like that. I do think that it's a
narrative being painting because it's happened before and it hasn't
been explosive like that. But I do think that Angelice
is in the limelight more and as a woman and

(01:22:33):
women of color are always at the bottom of tona
pole and they're always going to say stuff and they're
always going to create a narrative that still be your
authentic self. But just be prepared because everybody watching, you know, like, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I gotta start benching cut question for you, start bench
your Cutki Rice asy Fudd or Juju Watckins. Wow, yeah,
we gotta make it a little tougher for you. And

(01:23:11):
two of them from the d m V they don't care. Hey,
they gonna catch you on the streets. Uh it is
rapid fire?

Speaker 6 (01:23:45):
Is that a consequence for this or something?

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
I don't know, no business listen, Hey, hey, coach, you're good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
What happened? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
So uh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
What they say A goo to start?

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
I'm starting Rice?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:24:11):
I like her game alive. She played like she from
the DV and I'm benching for because budd has had
an unbelievable comeback season, has been hooping and it's starting

(01:24:31):
to come back to who she was supposed to be
before her injury. I think she got a lot of
potential to kind of come back into who we kind
of forgot about because she was injured. But if you
start to watch the end of her season, I mean
sure he was putting up good numbers, very well rounded, right, yep,

(01:24:53):
I don't know now I guess i'm cutting jun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Wow, that's a crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
May with football team.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
Commanders home team fan.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Always been that you're supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
H Yeah, have a choice.

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
Well no, my father is a Rams fan, my grandmother Pittsburgh,
my godmother, the Eagles, my brother, the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
We all divided the whole houses. Yeah, yeah, that's what
still give me?

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Can you give me your top five, just your top
five in any order female basket football players.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Good question?

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Still hooping now? Or I just want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Raid o' keith saying, you cut the ju Ju held
light night. He hit the button, hit the button on it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Let me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
I mean, I like, I mean, I kind of already
said I like Riightce. I like, but I like, I
love Jiuju. I do I love her? I think that
that answer I gave us more home team answer. I like, Uh,

(01:26:25):
the guard from Texas, what's her name?

Speaker 5 (01:26:31):
When it came off the knee injury, she's like about
talking about the sophomore number thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
I think she wear number thirty five for Kevin Durant.
She can boog the one from Texas.

Speaker 6 (01:26:42):
Yeah, yes, she had big for real.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
I think she's a sophomore and she might even be
a freshman. Yeah she can book. She underclassman for sure, yeap,
and then.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
One just graduated. I mean they're kind of all played
the position that I delayed. Her name was Sarah Ashley
from Alabama. She went off for a forty piece against Maryland.
I mean silent bucket, I mean, shorty could who I
mean played like a dude. I just loved every ounce

(01:27:13):
of her game.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
I know you said, Diana Tarassi, give me two more
names that you you know that you followed when you
were coming up, you know, especially with you being in
the DC area. My second, well, I asked you those questions,
but my second question is is did you follow the
Mystics Being the Mystics, you know was a w NBA
program in the area where you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Did you follow the w NBA Mystics as well?

Speaker 6 (01:27:40):
So, if I could be honest, we weren't big fangirls
when I was growing up with the w NBA, okay,
and there was a big stereotype around the w n
B A and nobody really watched it for real. I
don't even remember going to a w NBA game, which
is kind of sad, but that just shows you how
much the game has changed. I mean, growing up, are
kind of only knew about men's basketball. I'm not gonna lie.

(01:28:03):
I mean I saw college college. I mean I watched
it as much as I could. I knew about certain coaches,
I knew about certain players, but watching it, no, And
it's sad to say, but I don't think a lot
of us did. I'm not gonna speak for everyone, but
I can just say that I think if I was

(01:28:24):
to ask some of the people that I grew up, like,
did we canna even go to the Missis game? Like
I don't ever. I think I went to one where
I went to like a mystics parade, okay, like, and
I think I have a picture that I went to one.
But that's.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
I just asked a question because I asked that question
because you said pat Summit Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
So I ain't know Shamik will host law. You know,
I ain't know if you knew about Shami. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
Yeah, I knew about certain players, yes, so like but
it kind of only started coming in when I was
in these letters that made me curious to like I
had a laptop, I had to go to the library
and go look it up, right, So like that's when
the curiosity and me learning about all that started to

(01:29:14):
come in. Like, if I can be honest, I want
to say maybe yeah, freshman year, I started really like
after I got that letter, I started doing my research. Okay,
Like that's even when I learned you can go to
school for soccer. I didn't know that either, you know,
So it's just a lot of ignorance and just learning.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Got you now you too?

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
What what?

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Just give me your two favorite college players besides what
two favorite female players besides Diane Maya Moore?

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Uh yeah, yeah, she get booking. That's what's up. That's
what's up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Oh, so, Amy, do do you see an identified w
NBA player that that you played similar to when you
was playing?

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
I tried to be like Diana, like I would wear
my hair like her. I tried to be aggressive like her,
like I used to have to slick back point till.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
I kind of just gravitated towards her because I felt
like we had like the same demeanor, Like she just
played so fearless, and I kind of just latched onto
that because I kind of played fearless. I mean I
tore my knee up how many times and just kept
trying to play, you know, like I'm all right, wrap
it up, you know. Like so I kind of gravitated

(01:30:46):
towards her personality and how she played, like so that's
who I thought I was playing, like.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
So being a high school coach and understanding the comment
of like the college world, how how is it for you?
As a coach, we're trying to get your young ladies
into college right now, what do you feel as a coach,
what is the obstacles to overcome now we're trying to
prep the young ladies for college.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
Well, I could just speak on my experience in the
inner city. It was just you know, disposition, Like I
was trying to teach parents too, who didn't know either,
you know, like, you know, she's got a two point five.
You know, she got a two point on. But no,
let's stretch and get her two point five or three
point oh, because now she can go anywhere in the country.

(01:31:41):
You know, let's make sure she's taking certain classes that
will if she doesn't do so well in the SAT,
if she had to take courses stay in line. Well,
I mean, I just like their demeanor, Like you can't
be cursing. You can't tell your coach suck your dst cat,

(01:32:03):
you can't do it. You got to cut that out.
And I mean it's crazy, I mean just the whole
Like I'm gonna walk into practice and eat noodles. You
ain't doing that in college. Like if you want to
be here, then let's be here. Like working out like
I had them doing like dynamic stretching and circuits. I mean,

(01:32:28):
just the things that I had taken from college that
they just had no idea about. And then it kind
of put its perspective for me. Now can understand the
frustration coming from these college coaches. There is I don't know,
I can't speak before anyone, but just being where I'm at,
there is no one teaching these kids what the next
level look like because maybe they haven't been there yet. Right,

(01:32:50):
So now that I'm left and I'm coming down, it's
my job to teach you what it looks like up there.
So you're not giving these college coaches a hard time
all because you're just don't know, or you're defeated, or
you're scared, or this is new, or it's too hard. No,
I've kind of put you through something a little similar,
so when you go to school, it's not that hard.

(01:33:11):
Oh I've seen this before. I'm ready to Tennessee drill before.
I know what that looked like. Oh, we did dynamic
stretching implios that you know in Dunbar. Okay, we did.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
I remember my coach told me I was a leaner
and I was a gainer and I was a maintainer. Yeah,
I know, so I gotta do this, like just teaching
them what DHO is, P and R, you know, because
those are the things that they're going to need to
know at the next level because the coach is recruiting
you and expecting you to come in here and play.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
They're expecting you to know how to run, how to
set a screen, how to read a screen. They're expecting
you to be able to dribble, They're expecting you to
make a layup. Right. Like, I just felt like if
I started thinking about what my purposes in this career
is to prepare them for that next level. So it's

(01:34:05):
not so many girls dropping off or deciding that I
love basketball but this is too hard, just all because
they don't know what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
So awso there you go, and coach bre if you
could like write your own script, what would be your
your dream coaching job, like your ultimate career goal as
a coach.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
Everybody who knows me knows head coach at Georgetown. Uh,
I wanted to stay home and keep the kids home.
You got too many kids going elsewhere and when we
got really good universities here, they just need to be
prepared for a school at Georgetown or be prepared for
a school, you know, like Maryland.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
So well, my boss that worked was, uh what played
for Georgetown. She one of the best three point shooters
to ever played there back in the early nineties, I
believe late eighties, early nineties. So yeah, yeah, so that's
our Joe, Georgetown, awesome school and good luck with that.
I We're definitely gonna be looking looking out for you

(01:35:21):
getting that dream job because I think you could do it. Yeah. Yeah,
they fast forward me wrapping up any final questions for coach.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Break Nah, I think you I learned a lot. I
learned a lot. That's dope, man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
I appreciate it. I appreciate your story. And keep doing
what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Yeah, saw mentality, awesome drive, and I love I love
what I hear about how you how you're approaching it.
So continued success.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
With it, coach.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
You don't have no questions for a coach about like
just a recruiting process a little or anything like that,
or the transfer portal or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Well that was that was kind of part of like
what you know, like just you know, what what advice
would you give to someone?

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:36:10):
What? What?

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Why don't you tell coach real quick, if you know,
real quick, tell her, you know, no, seriously, coach, because you.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Never know who coach might know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Right, He has a daughter who's a who's a goon,
just like you, big.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Boy guard. Let her, let her, let her. Uh what's
the name of the school again?

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
She was She went to Queen's out of New York, Queens.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
She went the Queens out in New York. That led
to broke the record for Steve. She do all the
stuff nobody want to do nowadays. Defense more defense, still assist,
all that type of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
But her coach, you know, coach, you tell her, you
tell the good story again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
So just kind of something. So my daughter name is Sogo.
She's all in Queens.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
But I'm actually going to pick up Fridley and so
she's a she's a defensive three of a score. That's
how I describe her. She's and she's raw as all
get out. She didn't play aau ball. She has two
brothers that you know, kind of pushed her to play
basketball because they both played ball and she was just
around it because I trained athletes all the time. So
she decided her sophomore year that she wanted to take

(01:37:17):
it seriously. That's how she had with coach Walt Off
at Virginia Academy. He brings her over there. She is
the sixth man coming off the bench, and everybody was
asking why she coming off the bench. Great defender, she's
just a tempo player. And so they won two state
titles and so she ended up going to college. She

(01:37:39):
wasn't even sure she was going to go to college
because she always doubted if she could play. You know,
she was still doubting herself. But she gets it to
Queens and she has a coach that basically be found
out has just been running girls off. She started every
year with a group of freshmen she got to had
a lot of racial overtones and and oh, you know,
I said both we found out because about a week

(01:38:03):
after we sent her there, we found out that the
coach brand new girls to New York, takes them to
a bowling alley and then makes them walk home from
the bowling alley. And we're like, and so, you know,
my daughter didn't say nothing because she was like where
every you know, all the girls were together.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I'm like, absolutely not, like you are nowhere from nowhere
from New York. And you walk in like what are
we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
So then fast forward, she comes here to d C
and does the same thing, drops the girl off at
UDC and makes them walk to go get something to eat,
and she drives to the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
So while doing all this, my daughter comes in in shape.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
You know, she went there in shape, and she broke
the conditioning record as well when she got there. But
the coach told her and all the other girls, it's
not just my daughter, but she told all of the girls,
there's two players on this team that gonna score. One
is the center, she's gonna get eighty five percent of
the touches. The other one was a sophomore guard, a shooter.
She gets the other fifteen. The six of you freshmen,

(01:39:11):
y'all figure it out. So again, like I said, my
daughter's a three point shooter. So she puts her she
she she gets her in. She could play one, two
or three. And as she's starting to figure out, it's
hard to keep off the floor because she does all
the little things. She can handle the ball, she can pass,
she's an unwilling passer, and she can get to the basket.
But she loves to play defense, and so what she

(01:39:33):
did was she actually took her, put her in the
corner and made her stand on the three point line
and told her not to shoot threes.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
And so my daughter's first.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Game that she really let her play, she scored twenty
one points and had fourteen steals in her first game.
She's like, all right, I'll figure out, like if I
steal the ball, you can't stop me from you know,
you can't stop me from scoring. And so one of
the I think they went in they were ranked to preseason,
they were ranked to start the season. They were ranked last.

(01:40:04):
They went in right before Christmas. They were tied for
first place against the school called Damon.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
The coach right before the game sits all the starters.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Going up against the number one team, the preseason number
one and their number one. They're tied for the first
place going into this game. The coach sits all the starters.
They go down by twenty. She puts the group back in.
They cut it to twelve, and then at halftime she
gets on one of the other players and tells them
she's a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
That basically cuts her out of the halftime, and so
the girl like she basically quit on the spot and
so they ended up losing by six to the number
one team going in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
So after that everything kind of fell apart.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
But you know, we started it. So it's like, all right,
we're just gonna finish it up. As long as she
don't touch you, she throwing balls or girls she got
she I mean, just all kinds of crazy stuff. So
long she ends up getting fired. They were under investigation
the whole season, but the school still dragged, was dragged.
She literally just got fired about a month ago, about
two three weeks ago. And so of course we finished

(01:41:14):
the season, my daughter goes into the transfer reporter. So
now we're just trying to find a new home for
and so oh and Cole.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
You know the crew.

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
Called Saint Francis coach China. They have a unique situation
going on there, but she needs players and she's looking
for players.

Speaker 4 (01:41:34):
That's coach Child. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:41:38):
I just got a girl from South Carolina talking to her.
I did talk to her yesterday. She says she's looking
for people. She needs players. Like I said, they have
a unique situation, but it would get your daughter out
of that situation, puts in a d one situation, gets
her playing time, get some more film and then you
guys can go from here.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Beautiful want to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
And her name is China and I can change that information.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
However, that's that's what's up. You can't go. You can't
say nothing else after that ship.

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Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Coach oh talking even though man puomy should have been said,
because we've been drinking here since we've been moving around
seventy two hours back in the day. You gotta get
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Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Coach. Hey, what they call you? Coach? Move man?

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
They don't call me no moon man, I don't know
where your your crazy ass. Your crazy ass uncle called
me that. Don't Your wife called me that. I started
to whoop his ass called me that lucky I was
in your house. That's why I ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Saying nothing else the rest of the time I was
in that joint. He got ship about man, you talking to.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
Hey, coach, I'm sorry, coach. Hey, welcome to the note
Cap Sports Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
I prepared her before she got on first. I love it,
I love it, look awesome, awesome show. And and thank
you again, Coach Brief for being a guest on the show.
I know our viewers and listeners really appreciated you being

(01:44:47):
on here. They learned a lot about you. You hit
a lot of home runs throughout the course of this
interview that people that resonated with people. I'm sure there's
a lot of women and young women ladies that that
heard your story both as a player and as a coach,
that may want to follow your path, that that picked
us some gyms and and hopefully you know that helped

(01:45:09):
them with their career path. So you know, we appreciate
you wholeheartedly and look you family. Now, you welcome back
to the show anytime, whether it's just to chop it
up and talk ship with the boys, or if you
want to bring bring somebody from your team and talk
about you know, your season. Yeah, if you want to

(01:45:33):
come back before and chop it up with people, definitely,
definitely keepers.

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
Just let me know. Yeah, yeah, I will, I will.

Speaker 6 (01:45:41):
I think that'd be great for the young ladies to
do something like this.

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