TNCSSP S4 EP 159 | Jerri Ingram | May 28, 2025

TNCSSP crew will be discussing the 2025 NBA Playoffs and legendary tennis player Jeri Ingram is stopping by to talk French Open!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 5 (00:39):
Welcome to the No Cat Sports Show podcast with sports
and convots Collide. I'm your host of Cobra.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
And I'm your host Coach Milton. What's that, Coach Milton?
Now you're doing brother, It's all good. How about your stuff? Man?

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I'm doing great, brother, Just uh, you know, getting through
this work week. But you know it's hump they and
I like to cap the cap hump day off with
with with the No Cap Show. You know that, you
know he has some fun man talks and flash talks

(01:13):
some sports.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, with our viewers and listeners. That's what's up. Break
break the monotony up.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah. Absolutely, let's get in it, man. What's what we got?
Let's talk about it. Hey, we can't. Hey, we gotta
start this show with with the with the big show
that's going on right now, which is the NBA Playoffs.
It's still been a lot of action, especially on on

(01:46):
the East Coast. I know that I know that the
series in terms of uh it being three to one
over on the East and it looked like Oklahoma City
going run away with it in the West. I know,
I know was lopside of that way. But still we
getting some good competitive basketball, good physical basketball. But but

(02:08):
some people, and we'll get into it after we start
talking about these games, but some people are starting to
get exposed to me, you.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Know what I mean. And you know, just the time,
just the time of the.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Season where people get exposed, you know, playoff time, especially
when you get deep into the playoffs. We in the
Eastern and Western Conference finals, and we're saying who's who
right now?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
But let's call.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Cool speaking, mom, man, you going speak, I'm gonna get
I'm gonna get to I'm gonna get to my point.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
But but I want to talk about about the actual
game first. So so let's talk with the Eastern Conference
finals right now. We got the Knicks versus uh the
Indiana Paces of course, they played last night and the
Pacers took a three to one lead. What's your thoughts
on that series right now? I think Timms is being

(03:06):
our coach.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
Uh, he's he's he's staying in that ground where I
say people just want to say, Okay, we're losing their way.
I think I stated it in the first game, man,
where this is a series where these two teams know
each other, and I think Brunson uh and and if
we can go back when we were talking about Donovan Mitchell, right,

(03:29):
when is it cool for him or when is when
is it for him to understand that he needs to
get up off that ball or the coach to understand
that they can play without him?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
And I think.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Brunson has been the reason that they're losing these games
because in the first series, in the first game, I
believe when Brunson went out the game, I think he
went out and fouled.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Trouble or something, they were losing.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they
were losing when he went out, and then they went
on like a third teen or run.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
They went up by like fourteen or something.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
And so I'm sitting there watching and they kept you know,
even the commentators said, well, you know, maybe they should
get brunts in the game. I'm like, why, First of all,
the way that tips play these dudes, they don't have
a deep rotation, so why not let the cat rest.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I'm not saying that you can win the.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Series without him, but if you can take some time
to get him some rest and let your player, let
your bench get involved with the game, I think it's
just as all positive. And it was so in a
hurry to get him back on the floor. But what
happens when he gets on the floor, Man, he becomes
call Carmelo Anthony like what I mean, where the ball

(04:39):
just kind of gets stuck in his hand. And I
think that hurts that team because now you have a
team like Indiana that can play him and keep everybody
else not involved, and.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
It just hurts their team.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
And you just see people just kind of standing around
and he's going one against three to one against one.
And I think somebody says something about it where he
does a lot of unnecessary stuff where he's kind of
a bigger guard and he don't need to be asking
for screens. Man, Just take the dude off the dribbling goal.
And I'm always wondering again, like some of these coaches
not watching like he's a dude. Man, you can just

(05:15):
trap him coming across half court and just mess up
the floor of everything. And you just watch him dribble
in the truble and I'm like, just if I'm a
defensive team, I'm just trapping him, get the ball out
of his hand and let him stand over here. But
I think, you know, between him and cap Man, Cat
again gets in the dumb file trouble, like just stupid stuff.

(05:36):
And I think that Indiana is really exposing him. And
I think a lot of people are gonna owe Halliburton
some apologies, man, because I think that dude just had
like a career day yesterday where he had a triple
double with listen, no turnovers, being intentional with scoring.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Wow man.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
So and I think I was talking to my daughter
about Pascal Siakam.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know sometimes he disappears.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
In games like this, but this dude, man, he don't
realize that, hey man, when we need a bucket, I'm
a problem.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
So he just now he's like, all right, I get
the ball.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'm looking to score, and he don't mind, you know,
doing the little things. So I think between him and
Halliburton playing like he usually does play, he's very consistent
with how he plays. He don't need to score to win,
he just needs to share the ball and do the
little things. And I think they're exposing the Knicks and
how Brunson plays. But it's a good series, man, like

(06:36):
you can't no, no lead is safe. And these these
two teams are ballance. They know each other well. I
just think that Tibbs needs to incorporate the mental a
little bit more.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Uh you know. But yeah, that's that's my take. I mean,
it took take it up too long.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
But no, no, and you you hit all all the
all the right points. I think I think Tibbs is
getting out coach, that's for sure. And this series, uh,
you know, going into the series, you know, people would
think that that the Knicks were the tougher team. You know,

(07:11):
they were going to be able to throw their weight around,
so to speak, and kind of bully Indiana. But it
looks like it's the other way around. Like Indiana's bullying
the Knicks a bit. And and and they're deeper than
the Knicks. I think they're They're fast paced offense is
bothering the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
I just don't.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
I think the Knicks is trying to trying to keep
up with that fast pace, but but they can't do it.
The Knicks is supposed to be a defensive team, but
they look at all. They can't stop nobody I'm talking about.
I don't care if it's the first option for Indiana
or the fifth option. They they're getting what they want
to get, you know what I mean. And and and

(07:55):
that all starts with Terrese Holliburton, you know what I mean.
He's that's the floor for that entire team. He can
get his own when he want to get it. And
then he also make sure his guys get the ball
in the best position where they can be successful.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
He got some shooters out there that's knocking them down.
They're getting wide open looks because of his playmaking ability.
I mean, I can't say enough about him.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yo.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Man, he out there hitting them with the Magic Johnson.
No look passes like he out there having a ball.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Man. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
They can't do nothing with him. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
I mean he I mean, he he's quick, he's crafted,
he can shoot the ball. He definitely can pass the ball.
His court vision, his court vision is crazy. He makes
great decision. He knows when to when to shoot the three,
he knows when the drive to the bucket, he knows
when to get his his basketball. I Q has been,

(08:55):
has been on display for the entire playoffs, but definitely
in his serious right here you.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
Can tell any comfortable he comfortable against New York, very comfortable.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
And then I'm looking at the other side, you know,
I'm looking at Brunson, who's a great, great player. We
all know that he can definitely score the ball. But
I'm looking at him saying, Okay, when are you going
to make your teammates better? I don't think he makes
anybody around him better. He can put the ball in

(09:27):
the hole. He's a bucket getter. But I mean when
I mean, it's like a movie being replayed. You dribble,
gibble jibble, dribble, dribble, dribble way for a screen, dribble
jibble way for another screen, and then you make your move,
but you're taking up seventeen to twenty seconds on the
shot clock. And if you do decide to pass the ball,

(09:47):
the only only thing you have to do if you're
his teammate, you gotta shoot the ball right away. You
don't have time to do anything else. And then when
they're going to incorporate Cat into the offense, you gotta
incorporate him in. You're supposed to be a two man game.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
I was gonna say, why you don't, why we don't
see them run picking pop or pick and roll with it,
they don't play the two man game.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
And then I think Brunson.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
I think they were saying, I don't know if it's
through the series or just last night's game. I think
with him on the floor, and I believe Michel Bridges,
I think Brunson was like a minus sixteen even though
he had thirty seven points and McHale was like a
minus thirteen. How you scoring all on points and you
monusing like you're not, like say, you're not helping your team,
And you would think that they were, because I like,

(10:31):
you know, Kat can shoot that three.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
But I think Cat is a mismatch problem. They both are.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
But when you're playing at the top of the key,
man like you can't do nothing with him.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
So why they're not doing it?

Speaker 6 (10:41):
I think he stands outside and just watches and as
everybody just watches Brunson's playing, and I think, again, that's
just tip tips just saying Okay, this is how we're
gonna play, and it's showing up man like they're getting
ran off.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
You know, well, I'm not gonna say the get right
because they're not.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
They're not getting ran off, but it's like they're not
want anything to take advantage of the opportunity when they
get the runs going. Like like especially last night, Indiana
was able whenever to get going, they would just get down.
And I think last night Indiana ran regardless. They ran,
whether they made a shot or didn't it. They just
took off running reguard. They didn't try to set up

(11:18):
no half court office. They just ran, ran, ran, And
like you said, New York is not built to play
like that. That's not their style.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, I saw a possession coach where the next scored
Indiana took the ball out and got a layup on
the other.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
End of the.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
It's not supposed to happen. Nah, that's not supposed to happen.
It's just it's just, oh man, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Tell you a little bit about what you think about Robinson. Man,
like Robinson, Like again, they're supposed to be a defensive team,
and I just think when they put him in, he's
a liability because they do the hap of Robinson and
then he ain't He ain't really making the difference when
he got I think even and what's his name, Hark
decided to come off the bench. I think it worked
in the one game, but it didn't work last night.

(12:07):
I think Robinson is a He's not making a difference
on defense, and I think that's the only thing he
brings because he's not a scoring threat.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
So while play him like, I don't, I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he But I will say this,
he's been shooting free throws.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Better as of late.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Okay, yeah, he's been knocking him down though they showed
a graphic where he was I don't know, maybe ten
for forty or fifty, no, sir, But in his last
like twenty free throws, he was like fifteen for twenty. Okay,
So to start to knock him down. I think him

(12:46):
not being on the floor last night heard him a
bit because they didn't have a rim protector. When Indiana
went on that last run, okay, out there on the
floor and nobody was protecting the rim. It seemed like
anytime Indiana drove the basketball, they was getting lay ups
and dunks.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Okay, no cap, no cap. Viewers and listeners.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
We got tennis legend Jerry Ingram coming on the show
in about three minutes and we're gonna talk about some
French open so y'all make sure y'all you sit tight
and she will be on the show in the next
couple of minutes. All right, But uh yeah, coaching. Then
you mentioned Siakam he's playing big time ball, uh and.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
He I mean, he's a champion, he's he's so he.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Knows what it takes. He knows what he needs to
do to help his team. And another another topic about Indiana.
So your thoughts. It's Tyree Holliburn the superstar. No, I
think he is man that the dude.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Man, he plays the position the right way and so
you know, is he a flashy dude?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
No? Is he the face? No?

Speaker 6 (13:56):
But the dude is definitely a superstar because I think
that that he he helps that team win on different levels.
And I think the fans. I think his fans love
him to death, you know, I think they really appreciate
how he plays the game. And you know, I don't.
I don't think it's It would be interesting to see
a poll of fans. But I know his peers don't

(14:17):
respect him. But I think he's changing a lot of thoughts.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I think he's making people eat those words, man, because
a dude can.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Play like I think he's a superstar like you.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
Can't right now if you had to say him or
Donovan Mitchell, I'm taking I'm taking Halliburton.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean, I'm taking Halliburton.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Why you were saying I'm taking, Well, we see it
live in and action. I'm taking him over Bruxon. So yeah,
we're watching that that live. I think that Haller Burden
doesn't get your respect that he deserves us because I
think that we have an idea of what a superstar
player looks like and how and they're playing style where

(14:58):
he doesn't fit that image.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
Know that.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
I think it's optics with him. I think the way
his playing style think is the way he speaks. You know,
I just don't. I mean, anytime you you vote somebody
like that the most overrated player in the NBA, Come on, man,
that's down here from here though, from so you got
speaking of speaking off facts, you know. So yeah, and

(15:24):
let's let's talk about the Western Conference matchup before we uh,
before we bring Jerry Ingram onto the show. What you
think about that match up the Minnesota timber Woods in
the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
That was that was tough, and I think a lot
of you know, I know that I know that Okac
has taking a lead over this thing, and I think that.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
From my vantage point, man, I think and.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Edwards needs to play a little bit more consistent, but
he can't do it without Randall.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
And no, I'm disappointed more in.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Nas Read than I am a man, because I think
that you know, he's getting double and triple team, but
just like just like uh Shay Shay's getting doubling triple team,
but he has somebody to kick it out to, and
it's it's different people. You know, if if he's on
and and Randall is on, it seems like everybody else

(16:21):
is off. And then when the others are on, he
you know, they they ain't doing nothing. And I just
think for nas Read to have a game. I think
his best game was a last game, but he's he's like,
what six and nine and then Randall had what five
points last night?

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yes, you can't have a time, Yeah you can't. You
can't win.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
And he looked like he was, you know, like he
was upset that he was being sat down, and I'm like, bro,
you ain't doing nothing, I think, and I think that's
probably I always felt when he was in New York,
him and Bruston couldn't play together because he's a ball
dominant player.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, and I think instead of.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
Him and him and play together, it is kind of like, hey,
you take your turn, I'll take my turn. And it's
hard to play like that with a team like okay,
see man, and just too versative. They got too many
people that can play defense. I think they're just as physical.
You know, you got McDaniel's that can play, you got
Alexander that can play.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
So, you know, matchup wise, I think it's even across
the board.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
But I just think that when Randall and nas Reed
doesn't show up, it's just a different matchup, Like it's
hard to play that way.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
You know, it's very lopsided. But talent wise, across the
I thought it was going to be a better matchup
than what we're seeing. But okay, see man, they're figuring
out how to play, and you know, you can tell
that they're trying to get underneath his skin.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Under Shade's kind.

Speaker 6 (17:51):
He don't care, man, He just calm cool, gets to
his spot. He made thirty points look easy, man, Like
he ain't stressing even when he's struggling, you can't tell.
He'll just he'll get off the ball, He'll figure out
other ways to you know, he'll he'll step back and
let the others get involved and then he'll he'll jump
in and you know, get a bucket here there. Ye,
but uh, they just seem like they're cohesive. Man, Like

(18:14):
they've they've been doing this and they're in single one enough,
and you can tell they enjoy playing and kind of
like see everybody knows their role and they're not, you know,
they're not trying to do more than what they're supposed
to be doing and play your part, you know.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So it's interesting to watch. It's interesting to watch.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent, and
I'm gonna keep it short and sweet and then we're
gonna bring Jerry on. But uh, I just think I
know you said, nas reed, and and then some of
those role players are stepping up like they're supposed to
and they not.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
And us Julius Randall, he wanted to.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Be have a more dominant role on on somebody's offense.
He's the number two person on that team. You have
to do better than five points in the Western Conference game,
and then you only have four points at halftime, so
that I mean you only had one point the rest
of the second half.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
But at the same time, despite role players.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Not showing up and giving you what you need, come on, man,
I gotta I gotta put the blame on Abney Edwards. Man,
because he's supposed to be the the American face of
the NBA, right and I like he has all the
tuols to be the best player in basketball, but it's
something missing. I can't put my finger on it right now.
I'm still thinking about it. Something missing, but he I

(19:34):
think the difference is right now, we see s g
a be a be a true superstar and and moving
forward in terms of his progression as a superstar, where
Athney Edwards is still trying to figure it out. He's
not embracing the role yet. So I think he's still

(19:54):
he still has some work to do to get there.
I think we try to give it to him too early.
But as is kicking his ass right now.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
And that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Man, you would think that he would take like he's cool,
you know, with going against Lebron and stuff and all
those due but you got you got shade that's matched
up right with you, like this is your peer on
the same level to me. I'm and he clearly can
dominate whenever he wants to. It's like he's not stepping
up to it.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
You know.

Speaker 6 (20:22):
He showed it was a move last night where he
the nay before where he was able to take off.
I thought he was gonna two hand funk it, man,
and he just kind of laid it up nice and
suff I'm like, bro, you should have pulled the rim
down on that one. And I just feel like he's
not He's not being aggressive and he's kind of taking
that step back, and like he said, Shade is running
with it.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Clear clear difference. So hopefully he steps up and meets it.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
But like I say, you, you definitely got to score
more than sixteen points.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
You know, absolutely, And we can pick this up later,
but right now I want to bring on the show
our special guess. Really she's not even a guess, she's
family to know. So we have tennis legend Jerry Ingram
in the building. Welcome Jered Ingram.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Back, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, welcome Jerry.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
Welcome, Jerry, thank you, thank you, Milton, nice to meet you.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
You as well, ma'am.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
Uh, you got a whole bunch of a whole bunch
of jerseys back there.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah. I had the.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
A little remodeling, you know, so you know I got
my jerseys up in the frame and some other stuff.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Have you been watching the French Open?

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Absolutely, and coach Milton say you've been Washington too. I
know you was talking about the Blake Shelton mes coach Milton.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
Yeah yeah, men, so me and my wife. You know,
my wife really loves watching tennis and she just threw
it on. She was kind of working and watching halfway
and uh, that Blake Shelton and what's the guy don't
want to mispronounce against.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Sagoon or san Gone.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
I am going to say, so, I guess you know
Shelton has ranked and Segone was was you know, he's
not ranked. But when you watched those first couple of matches, man,
he was giving Shelton the business and he Shelton pulled
it out. But then they were talking about how I
was I was sharing with cold that they were saying

(22:25):
that he's the guy that sing Goon is the guy
that when these guys feel like they want to go
and see if they're ready to take on, you know,
to start being into this big matches. He's like that
bridge player where he's good enough, he's skilled enough, and
he has enough tricks in his you know, in his
bag to make it difficult. So when you watched him play,

(22:47):
you could see it kind of playing out, and I think,
uh Shelton just kind of outlasted him because he was
he had him frustrated.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
I can tell you. I always tell people either the
best time to go to a Grand Slam tournament is
the first three days or the middle weekend, because I mean,
there's not much difference between the top ten and the
top hundred, and what you have in those first rounds
are some players that are real hungry, get deep up

(23:17):
in those rankings. They're right on the cusp and they know.
And that's like everybody's gunning for you if they're playing
If you're playing Ben Sheldon in the first round, you
have nothing to lose, so you're going for it. And
it's better to go for it and maybe get it
then to play is safe and don't cause if you

(23:39):
play it safe, you're not going to you're not going
to get.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
The w No.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
But those players are hungry, and they're all they're all good.
I mean, you're talking about one hundred and twenty eight
players in the draw. So if you do the math
and whatever NFL teams and NBA teams and baseball teams,
I mean, those are those are starting players. Those are not.
If you'rre rank one hundred, you are a starting player.
And how many players I don't know starting the NBA

(24:04):
and all the teams and NFL teams, you're a starting player.
So you me the top twenty, you're the marquee player
for that team. But I mean twenty and two is
not much difference.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, just you know.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
So I suggest that when people when there was, when
those top players go into the Grand Slam, they that
first night they need to get their rest, they need
to be on it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, that that might be. That might be a tougher
match in the third round for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah. It was definitely tough. He had them, He had
them frustrated, definitely frustrated.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
And I think if if any tournament or any surface
mm hm you want to upset upset Shelton in the
early rounds, I think that the clay court will be
the surface because I don't think he's a great clay
court player. I look at Shelton's hardcourt, you know, grass,
but I think the clay is w he's more susceptible

(25:02):
to being upset.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
What's your thoughts on that, well, I.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Definitely think American players in general the red clay, because
over here we play on the hard trude, which is
more like a green clay. That clay the especially for
you know, African American players. The first thing it does
is it mediates mediate speed, the ball slower, and it
bounce is higher. So any any advantage, not any advantage,

(25:28):
but the advantage that we have over the players when
it comes to the speed that right there is marginalized
and so and a lot of times you'll see that
that our players, and it's not not only the African
American players, but the American players in general because we
don't we don't have a lot of clay course here,
so they don't really practice on it and grow up

(25:50):
on it. So if you can get if you can
get a player that has a ranking like that and early,
I mean that's it's kind of like a gift too,
Like okay, this is a this is a great if
I have to play this guy this is where I
want to play him for sure. So then i'm you know,
I want him all to move forward. So I'm not
gonna call anybody's name, right, yes, yes, yeah, you absolutely

(26:14):
spot on with that.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, And I was kind of speaking from my own
experience because I mean when I was a younger playing
tennis and juniors, I was terrible on clay court.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I hated clay court.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Anytime we had the Junior Nationals on clay I lost
in early.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Rounds, set by second round, I was out of there.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
So saying, so you can get that ball moving.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
And then we got another American player who we had
a lot of hopes for to making a run at
the title or at least to get to the semis
is Fritz. You know, he came into the French Open
at the number as a number four seed, and he's
out of there already. I think he lost to a
German guy, a Maya, but he lost their four sets.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I mean, I know it's tough.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
You know, hopefully he'll be peaking towards the US Open
and then he might too be just out of there,
dashing straight to the grass course. Because it's interesting how
we have the clay course, which are the slowest courts,
and then back to back with the grass court, which
are the fastest courts. But you know, when you when
you have that Grand Slam title for the first time,

(27:25):
riding on your back and all those points and everything
that comes with it, scheduling your peaks and you and
your highs and lows and where you want to focus,
one can be tough. And two, I don't know, you know,
we don't know what his team is doing, how strategic,
how strategic they're moving. But yeah, I mean, of course
we want him there, and that was disappointing, but hopefully

(27:49):
hopefully he'd be ready to defend those points in New
York for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, So quick quick question.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
Is the French Open the only clay tournament like the Grant?
Is Is it the only Is that the only one
that you really play on for the Grand Slam that's on.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Clay or yes?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
But Diffential Open.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
I mean they have warm up tournaments, so there's like
four turnaments that want to that. So they've been playing
on clay, like as he won Monte Carlo and Rome,
and then the women have also played you know, Coco
and I always pronounced her name wrong. But they what's
her name, Plini? Hold on, let me see Paulini Polini. Yeah,

(28:29):
they played in the finals, a round where Polini Paulini
beat her, just like a few days last week. So
then they go straight to the grass and then the
US Open. Even though the US Opening Australian Open on
hard course, there are two different surfaces technically, one rebound

(28:49):
a and one is like a straight hard court, so
they're all technically different surfaces.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Mm hmkay mm hmmm.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
You see him sliding around on their clayboll, I'm like, man,
they be testing them knees, them ankles.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Supposed legs.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah now so.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, yeah, I can understand why it's supposed to be better.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
So so what you well, Jerry, what you're seeing from
our d m V star Francis t I. He looked
good in its opening round, right yeah, so so what
you what's your prediction for for Francis and this French Open?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Listen.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
I always want him to go. I want him to
get a Grand Slam.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Okay, he's been getting right up to the hill but
he just can't get over.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
He's gonna get over it and he wants to get
over it.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
Yeah, so I'm I'm predicting that he's going to go
further than he's ever gone. I'm predicting he's gonna go
further than he's ever gone this year because I see
him taking control of some things I feel like, having
confidence and some things that I haven't seen him take
control of. So I'm I'm gonna say that the sky's

(30:10):
the limit. He's looking good, right and to me that
if he has the confidence and and he and his
matchups are good and maybe he can catch somebody slipping
a little bit, and he's having a good year. So
so my prediction, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put
a round on it. I'm gonna say he's gonna go

(30:31):
further than he's ever gone.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Okay, I'm trying to see with bracket he is.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
To y'all, So while Cob looking up the brackets, both
you guys have played tennis and just kind of watching
these matches. I've seen Cocoa golf play and Alcarez like.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
All these folks.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
When you hear uh sports and uh like the mental
m fortitude that takes the play.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
You hear a lot about golf.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
But I would just watching that, I would think tennis
is one of those sportsmen where you really got to
be mentally strong because just watching like some of these
matches I've watched, you're not always even though you're ranked
the highest player, you're not the favorite is based on
where you are. And then I think some of these
fans they really start chairing for the athletes that are

(31:23):
like putting in the effort. So what is can you
guys clarify that for me? Like that is that true
to form or is that you know? Can you give
me your take on that as far as how how
mentally strong you have to be play this game because
you hear a lot about golf, but tennis I think
is up there.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Well, I think you know, and I'm not going to
I'm not sure how it is when you're playing golf,
but I do know that at least when you're playing
golf minimum you have your caddy, right, so you technically
have a coach.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You have somebody who can talk you through things.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Right. The thing with tennis is, except there are some
tournaments now we're they're letting you have like you know,
coaches come on for different moments, right, but you literally
once you walk on that court, you are on your own.
So whether it's two out of three sets, three out
of five sets, whether your mass takes an hour, whether
it takes four hours, you have to strategically think through

(32:21):
that whole match, go through your physical ups and downs,
but everything with the umpire. The fans, like you said,
the fans a lot of times cheer for they cheer
for their countrymen, they cheer for where they are, but
a lot of times they pay that money and they
want the match to go as long as possible.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
So sometimes they might be cheering.

Speaker 7 (32:43):
For like who they like, and then like if it's
a men's match and somebody's up two sets to love,
two sets to zero, sorry, but two sets to love,
they want to see five sets. Next thing, you know, the.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Whole crowd.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
And for somebody else. So really, as you go through
your process, a lot of times you don't even hear,
you don't even really hear the crowd, I'm sure like
in other sports, right, yeah, you don't even hear the crowd.
But once they get to that level, they know that
that's happening. If they start talking to the crowd, they're
really letting off steam that the crowd is not that

(33:19):
crowd is not really bothering them so much.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You know, if the.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Crowd is bothering them, then they've already they've already gone
off the rails, you know, in some other area, and
that just becomes part of a conversation the way that
I see it.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
But I do think.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
It's it's one of the most mentally tough sports because
it's physical at the same time, and then you never
really can get a have a conversation for somebody to
bring you back. You have to be able to do
that for yourself in the middle of all that.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, and I agree, I just chime in a little bit.
I think that mental toughness kind of separates players that
you can have similar talent, you could be equal there,
but the person who's stronger mentally usually is the win
that prevails or moves on and has the high ranking.
I mean, I remember years ago, that was the knock

(34:13):
on Djokovic. You remember Djokovic couldn't you know, really hone
in and and and stay steady, and he would get
lost during the match mentally. But once he got that
piece as a strength, I mean, yeah, it was over
for everybody. Another person and I can't remember his name,

(34:37):
I can't believe. But he's one of my favorite players,
the Australian kid curios right, if he gets his mind together.
I mean he's physically in terms of talent, he's as
talented as anybody I've seen on the tour.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Talent is extreme.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
He is a much better player to and they give
him credit for.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, he is a much better.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
I mean, I mean he just he just went and
did a Wimbledon run a couple of years ago and
got all the way to the finals. And even with
all the things that you know they put in the
press about him and his antics and all of that,
I mean, until he was injured over the last couple
of years, he was always in the top forty. I
mean it was all this up and down and this

(35:23):
and that, and but you go look at his rankings,
he's always he's in the top forty. Yes, and I
think you know he played professional sports three was I
think it's soccer, basketball and tennis, And so the focus
too is kind of like he knows. I feel like
he could be playing another sport if he wanted to,
or he could be doing this. And the endorsements in

(35:46):
Australia just based on the fact that there's not many
like him are just out the roof. So it's just
kind of like, you know, he's kind of taking advantage
of it in different ways, but I would agree with it.
And then another thing too, like Osaka said after she
lost in the first round, right, She's like, I'm gonna
go down as the player who's won a minimum of

(36:07):
fore Grand Slams but can't get out the first round
of the French Open. So to me that she was
She said that immediately, which means that was on her
mind going into the match. Yeah, some people, but some
people just don't like to play on the red clay,
or they don't like to play on the grass. You
know that point. I'm not sure with each player, but
definitely you can you can get in your own head

(36:28):
and then that's it.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Yeah, it was another upset. I think somebody that I
had at least getting to quarters at least was a Medvedath.
Oh yeah, he went out in the first I was
surprised by that. That that was That was a big

(36:51):
I was gonna say, I'm glad I didn't put money
on it.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
I was gonna put.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Round right, But you know, sometimes he I mean, sometimes
he's he's winning a Grand Slam. He's in the finals
of a Grand Slam, winning and he looked like he
didn't even want to play.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
He's to me, he's tricky.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
I don't know if that's just his disposition or I
don't know if he was injured. I don't know, but
the first round, that's that's that was kind of shocking
for sure.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
So so when the man sized Jerry, who are your predictions?
Who who?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Well, who you think, let's say, who you think your
top four will be far as making it to the
semis and ultimately who you think is going to win
this whole thing?

Speaker 7 (37:32):
Oh okay, Well, I mean I have to go with Alcarez.
I'm gonna go with Francis. I'm gonna go with Ben,
but I have to go I'm gonna figure out who
my fourth one is. But I have to go with
Alcarez because maybe, of course, Center Center, have you I
don't know if you've been watching Center now.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Right, huh? Center's number one now? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
We'll have to see how he does on clay, you know, right,
But I mean, Alchharez won the French last year and
then he just won the two tournaments Monte Carlo and Rome.
Coming up into the French Open. He's fifteen and one
on clay, so I mean, I'm gonna put your money
on something. I mean, I don't know what the oyes are.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
But yeah, yeah, he can lose. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
When he first came on the scene, I was like,
that's that's little Ralphie and the Dog I think. I
was like, he's the next Ralphie and the Doll. Thought
he was going to just be a dominique claycourt player,
but surprised to me, he's great on all surfaces. He's
he's a he's a great tesniplayt he's still a young
boy's twenty one.

Speaker 7 (38:42):
Yeah, I mean he was hitting all the marks when
he was when he was thirteen, like when he was young,
he was hitting all the marks like an Adul, like
a Novac, like a Sampres, Like you know, there's some
marks that these players hit.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
He was.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
He was hitting all those marks.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
So the tennis community has been as long as long
as he stayed injury free, that they were gonna see
they were gonna see great things from him. So so yeah,
I'm gonna pull from for for being in Francis in the.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Same side of the bracket.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Okay, but uh, they're down there with al Choraz, Oh
with al Choraz, al Choraz, the two c I think
they're bracket.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
So it's Alchoraz considered the favorite to win this because
he won it last year, right.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
Last year, and he just won the two tournaments coming
into coming into the French. So Monte Carlos our boy.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Yeah, he's also funny, a nice kid to watch play.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
He definitely has all the skills set.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
And he's looking good. He's good.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I'm rooting for my favorite. You know, I'm a Djokovic.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Guy, right, Okay, he's been suggling, huh, I'm not mad.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Yeah, but he's been struggling lately. I don't I don't
think he want a tournament in twenty twenty five, has he?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I haven't.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
No, well, I don't know if he hasn't want a tournament,
but he doesn't want a major. But what I can
say is, you know, these young bodies with these skills,
and you know, they kind of come up playing the
current game. He's adjusted his game throughout these these decades,
and you.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Know, is he the oldest?

Speaker 7 (40:33):
Is he the oldest he's old because I saw Waarenka
was out there. He's in the third round, he's still playing,
and so no, I don't think he's the oldest.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
I know Wrinka, he's he's pretty old. And then what's
the black guy from France? Yeah, yeah, he's I mean.

Speaker 7 (40:56):
I would love to see him go far because he's
in his country. Yeah, you know, he's another one that
you know he's gonna give you a show.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
Absolutely Listen.

Speaker 7 (41:07):
He was like, I don't have a coach. He was
out there for a while without a coach. He's like,
I don't need one right now.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Me.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
But they got some funny videos or means of him
or or TikTok and other stuff. Man, have you crack
it up laughing whenever you get a chance, coach Milton,
look at it. People never watched tennis before watching tennis
because of hell.

Speaker 7 (41:35):
Okay, I definitely have to watch it because every every
time I hear him talk or hear him talk about
something that he wants to talk about, I'm always cracking up.
You got out on the tour because I'm trying to
tell you, you know, it's not like you get you're not
traveling with it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
You have your team.

Speaker 7 (41:52):
But you're not traveling with all these personalities, right, You're
traveling with the people who are there for you.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
You need some of those antics out there. We need
U to loosen it up with him.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Yeah, he get the break dancing out there to caut
all that man show me.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
He's like, listen, y'all, I'm bored. What we what are
we doing out here? But listen, I'm going with Paulini
for the women. Now. I know, I know, I'm it's
a long shot, but I'm going with Paulini.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Coco. That's my that's my two kind of like and
then of course you.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Just so just with Coco.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
Coco to me, and again, you guys are this is
you know, this is what you guys do. But Coco
to me, seems like she gets frustrated, like she can't
get watch her play sometimes and she doesn't have a
poker face even when she tries to keep up, you know,
keep a poker face. You can see her eyes trying
to work, you know, trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I think she can.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
You guys, tell me, is that how you feel that
that's the difference between her and kind of getting to
that next level. She can just kind of get a
hold on a mental piece and not get so frustrated
with what's going on around her, because.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
She'll play good. You'll watch her.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
She plays good for one tournament and then or one
match and then the next match. The last time I
seen her play, I think she played against the girl
that eventually won it all, or they were in their
follows and the girl beat her. You could just tell
she couldn't get out of her own head.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
You could just see her thinking.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
And so is that the difference between her getting and
being consistent or is it just the competition because it
is a lot of competition out there.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
Well, Coco is young, okay, so you're talking about I
know you can tell me how old is Coco?

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Exactly good, gracious, early twenties. I know that I can't
take you, okay.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
So I think I think kind of like when when
people talk about Francis and they you know, how he
uses the crowd and himself and his emotion to motivate
and get through situations. I think that people are channeling

(44:20):
their emotions differently now based on how this generation has
come up. And the poker face is fine, but I
also think that they don't necessarily process the way that
the tennis culture has kind of gone through the decades
and through the years, and you know, no emotion know this,

(44:42):
know that right that I think doesn't serve everybody well,
and I definitely don't think it serves our community well.
So I do think some of it is she's trying
to figure it out, and some of it she just
needs to get it out. And she's fine with showing
her emotions because she in her mind, she's like, my

(45:03):
emotions are not determining how I play unless she gets
I know, there's been times where she's gotten really mad
and it's actually been to her. Yes, now, that to
me was maturity, But I do think that, like some
of it is, Okay, I just need to show my
personality so I can relax. Now you all want to
be faced and that helps you relax, fine, but that's

(45:25):
not really what does it for me, So I need
to do me.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
She is number two in the world, now.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Yeah, that's at the next level. Yes it ain't.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
It ain't too many better than her, But it's just
some of the games that I watch, some of the
matches I've seen her play. You and you kind of
described it better than what The question that I asked
is that I feel she's kind of struggling with how
she wants to represent herself out there, because you clearly
can tell she's she has. For her to be so young,

(45:56):
you can see all the potential of her just kind
of going to a whole different threshold. And then, like
you said, you can see her with the maturity where
she gets like she doesn't know how to vent versus
just saying you know what, bump, but I'm just gonna
go play, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
But yeah, there's no question.

Speaker 7 (46:14):
She might be trying to hold some of that atl
and I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Gotta get some of this.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
Listen, y'all don't even know I'm holding a lot of
this in, so I gotta get some of it out.
So y'all saw that, and believe me, there.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
Was more, but you know, yeah, yeah, with Coco Golf,
I think I mean, like you guys said, she's number
two in the world, she is a Grand Slam champion.
I think we just let her progress the way she's
going to progress. I think a lot of us, especially
the African American community, we try to compare her to

(46:48):
the Williams sisters.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Now that she's a top ranked player in US and
she's black. We want to see her travel at the
same speed that Serena did or Venus did. And you know,
you just can't do that. You gotta let Coco be
Coco and let her, you know, progress the way she's
going to. She's she's a great player. She's going to
be great for a very long time. She's twenty one

(47:11):
years old, Jerry. So look, so we're going to We're
going to see a lot of cocoke. Yeah, we're going
to see a lot of.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
Number two in the world.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
And she probably turned her like at fifteen and she's
she's over.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
Yeah, so that really means so like you know when
you look at the Williams sisters and like you look
at these players now because I was actually doing account
in the draw, you know, they they had each other,
you know, iron shopping's iron, so they had each other
to bounce everything off of and to say, you know,
take a united front, we're taking a break. You know,

(47:44):
they they had each other each other's back, front and
middle right, So you know you're gonna when you saw one,
you saw the other. So but then you have the
players that are coming through and when they came through.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
It probably was maybe.

Speaker 7 (48:02):
I don't know, five black players that we recognized, but
everyone was talking about them that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Were always in the draw.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
But I did account. So now we had we had
eight in the draw women with eight, but we had
one two three, Sorry, we had like nineteen w one, two, three,
four five six, Yeah, nineteen, I'm gonna include include Osaka

(48:34):
even though she said she's from Japan's fan.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
But we had like.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Nineteen Americans, which means whether they're whether they're whether no.
But as far as sinces, we had one two three, four, high, six, seven.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Eight, nine nine.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
And that's not all American, but Americans. What I'm saying
is they can train with each other and they can
help each other from that level get better. So but
when the Williams sisters came with each other, they had
each other in their own household, so they were able
to penetrate more because they were able to assist each

(49:17):
other more amongst all along with all the other things
they did to be the great champions that they are.
So Coco has put her team around her and they've
done a really good job. And I do think we're
seeing like this depth of American tenants because because we
have so many in the top hundred.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Mmm, so then they can.

Speaker 7 (49:37):
Train with each other when they're home, when they're on
the road.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Yep, yep, question called Turner says, ak pops, when we're
going to have a black male Grand Slam champion, we
already had one ought the ass.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
But those are the only two.

Speaker 7 (49:59):
Yeah, but this is that every time I see him,
what do we what I mean, I'm assuming what we do.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I'm assuming he mean the next one say she's going
with Francis.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
This week, next week.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
I mean, I don't know, but okay, so we I mean, actually,
you know we have been we have Francis. We also
there's Felix out there. There's a couple other young champions
that that are from other countries that are coming up.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And then we also have who's the other one? Did
I say Felix?

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Yeah, he's from Canada, right from Canada, and well have
so he I want to say, maybe a couple of
years ago. It looks like he was on his way.
He was a top five, top ten player, and now
he's hustling down, yeah, hufbing around third twenty nine.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
He got injured a little bit, and sometimes you know
when you look so some of it too. It's like
if you you know, we're on the tennis is on
a rotating you know, it's on a rotating point system.
So if your injuries, you know, go over a certain
amount of months, it takes you you got to get
back to that point in the year to get your

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to get your even to elevate your ranking, because sometimes
you just replacing points. So if you had a gap
in that year, until that comes back around, you're not
really going to see the elevation, even if he's playing
up to Park. So that affects your placement in the
draw too. It affects your seeding. You know, you might
go up against higher level players because now you're not
seated and all that. And I don't know if that's

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the exact story, but I don't think that twenty nine
it's so low that there was a major issue other
than if there was an injury and he was out
for a little while.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Yeah, what you what kind of chance are you giving
Madison Keys?

Speaker 7 (51:52):
I mean, you got listen right now, she's happy with herself,
she's happy with her game. She's listen, she's coming. She
she won the last Grand said you always got to
put that. You always got to put her in that.
I do think that the clay can help her, it

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can also hurt her. She is a big ball, but
it's also will give her more time at the same
time on her side of the court. So to me,
to me, she looks good and if she has confidence,
I mean she has put in the work, she has
the game. She is like her her I Q for
what needs what needs to take place as a Grand

(52:32):
Slam champion, I think is very high because she's just
been in that space. She just didn't get it done. Yeah,
So I mean you have to keep her in the conversation. Yeah,
I definitely You're in the conversation for the US Open.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah, absolutely, you.

Speaker 7 (52:46):
Put her back on that hard court because I mean
she's almost one of the US Open, like I don't
even know how.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Many times, right right, Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, Jerry.
And this is for the viewers and the listeners. So
in the clay court, like somebody like Madison Keys, I think,
doesn't her chance to increase the furthest she advanced in
the tournament, because doesn't the surface start to get it
a little faster as as the clay start to wear

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if you can explain that to our viewers and listeners.

Speaker 7 (53:16):
So any surface, whether it's hardcore grass courts or the
clay course, they start to get faster due to the
wear and tear on the courts, even though they do
replenish everything.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
But you know there's less.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
Clay out there, even on the hard course because they're
running back and forth in those in those areas, and
they resurface the courts before every tournament. The grass course
at Wimbledon, as soon as that tournament is over, they
replant that grass, cut that grass down. Nobody, nobody walks,
nobody touches that grass until the next tournament. But then

(53:51):
they're on that grass for two to three weeks. So
it gets fast. Just like any other grass, it wears
down and it gets faster and faster. So yes, the
further you go in the tournament, the harder the clay gets.
The bounces start to be faster, and also the players
start to get used to the situation of the clay

(54:12):
because now you've put more miles on it. And even
though they only played for a month on that clay,
now they've played every day back to back for three weeks,
and so it's game on at that point.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Okay, So so just like we did with the men,
give me your final four for the for the women's side,
and then who you think ultimately would be the winner
of the French Opes.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
So my final four is Paulini, Golf sab Linka and hmm,
well this is swit Tex. She didn't get upset to noe.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
In there.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Yeah, I always like.

Speaker 7 (55:04):
I like my like my final. I'm gonna go with
my my final, my final, did I say it already?

Speaker 1 (55:11):
My final?

Speaker 7 (55:12):
My final would be Polini.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
That's my choice because I don't know.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
First of all, I think she's underrated, even though she
flew in the world.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
They're not.

Speaker 7 (55:25):
I just the way she works that clay, the way
she moves around on that clay, the fact that she
just beat the number two person in the world on clay.
I love her mental. I think it's a great surface
for her. I think it would be one of those
things where we looked up and somebody won the French

(55:46):
Open that we didn't think was gonna win the French Open.
She got she got a lot, she got a lot
of people she gotta get go through to do it.
But I think she's prime for it. So I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
I think she's in cyber Linka's brackets, so they will
play in the semifinals. I think she, I think she
can upset cyber Linka. I think she I think she
can be her. So so I'm with you right there.
I got Pelini making it to the finals on her
side of the of the YEP, and then I'm gonna
go with I'm gonna go with Coco, and I'm saying

(56:22):
over it, I'm not I'm not one hundred percent with Coco,
but I'm I'm I'm rooting for her to make it
to the finals, and I think she can. But Swattek
has always been a kind of a throwing in her side.
It seems like she's a tough matchup for Coco and
she's going to have to go through her to get there.
So that's my only worry about Coco.

Speaker 7 (56:44):
Well, once we get to the quarters of the French,
we need we just always need to be worrying because
because those matches, now you're tired, well I shouldn't say
you're tired, but your body, I mean you're used to
the clay, but but your body is.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Those are longer because because there's slower cores, your.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
Body's wearing down, and when you need to get over
over a hump of somebody who's a thorn in your side,
that's a tough place to be. But it's also exhilarating
and it's motivating and it's like, you know, you want
to push through that. And and Coco is a champion
well and none of that stuff bother and she has
a young body, so so okay, let's see text me,

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text me next Sunday.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
And somebody we haven't showed any loved to. And she
she's an American player. She's number in the world.

Speaker 7 (57:37):
Is Isla, so I lovela. I love the way she
has fought through her and I know I know that
she is you know the family she's from and and everything,
and and people tend to think that, uh, maybe you
know her.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Her road hasn't been as hard.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
But you can nobody, nobody can win those matches for you,
no matter what your last name is, matter, none of that.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
You gotta go.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
She's a she got a solid game and and and
Clay could be good for her.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
Yeah, I think I saw her. She was She's one
of those things. I think she's favored she's like high
in the favorite name.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
She's the third seed in the tournament coach, so definitely
she's definitely somebody to keep an hour. Okay, that racket
down down there with Coco Golf is rough.

Speaker 7 (58:32):
Yeah, I think that's a good call on that. So
we might have to put an asterisk by that one.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
Yeah, So so I'm gonna let's predict Gooler match up
in the semifinals. Let's predict that co Co Andoula match
up in the semifinals. Let's let's let's make that prediction.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
So we're gonna take We're gonna take Tech out of there.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
Yeah, take Tech about it. Yeah, she's gonna leap that.
She's gonna leap that her right there, noted. Yeah, yess
I text, you gotta go.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Okay, she's gone.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
That keys down in that bracket.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I know.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
Question, it's tough, and those matches are gonna be long,
and it's gonna be grinds. There's gonna be some good tennis, now,
that's it. If you want to fly with the Paris,
you know, and just make it a weekend, that's gonna
be some good tennis to watch.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Long, tim you're gonna be you're gonna be.

Speaker 7 (59:33):
Rooting for one player one set, one player another set,
another playing another sets and the master along.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
So so ultimately, who you got winned it all?

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Alcarez and Paulini?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
What about you, coach Miller? Who you got winning it all?
Men's and women?

Speaker 6 (59:51):
I would say Alcarez and uh, I was just reading
up on her. She just seems to be that that
dark horse, even though she ranked. I think she's kind
of you know, no one's really speaking on her, so
that that to me, those will be about too.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Yeah, and then we can also we also have to
know that Taylor Townsend is number one in the world
with her partner in doubles, and Colini is number two
in the world partner in doubles. So we could also
have a nice little show there too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Oh, Pelini might be walking away with a couple of
pieces of hardway.

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
Yeah, the hardware is nice, but that director posits even better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yes, that hardware is nice, but you know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
I feel youre that. And so I'm gonna go on
the women's side. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go
with my heart and say, Coco go, I'm gonna go
with my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Even though you know, I wouldn't be mad.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
I wouldn't be mad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I'm just like looking at it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Even if when I put my money on then I
don't think I'm gonna put it on Coco. But but
I'm rooting for it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
That's my you know what.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
That's a smart thing to do on clay. Yeah, because
we got Wimbledon coming up right behind it, right, and
the next thing, you know, will be in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Yeah, and then I'm on the man's side. I think
the same. The safe bat is Alcoraz, you know. I
just he's dominated all or he's strong man. He's strong, yeah,
and he moves so well. It's like he frustrats you
because he gets to every ball.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
Crash. Other people look like they're like, were out. He
just looked like, okay, dang.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Yeah that's young legs man. He run over day mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
So Alcarez and Golf, Alcoraz and Golf.

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Okay, all right, we'll see Tally, we will see who.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
It's fun though.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
It's fun though, yeah, absolutely so, so anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
French open why she wanted to talk about Jay. We
didn't that. We didn't bring up well, we.

Speaker 7 (01:02:10):
Saw that they renamed the stadium after Rolf and Nadal,
which I thought was very appropriate. I mean, they don't
have a dominant French player like you know we have.
Author Our stadium is author asked for a number of reasons.
But if you think about it, if you if you
can play any sport for fourteen seasons, that's amazing. If

(01:02:36):
you can win a Grand Slam fourteen times and played
fourteen seasons. I think he played more than fourteen seasons,
but I think he won it almost every single year
from the time he won, I know he lost a
few times. Yeah, I think that was very fitting. I
thought that was I thought that was great for him
to get his roses while he's still young and can

(01:02:58):
and can enjoy the stadium and come to the tournament
and do whatever it is that you know they do
when you're you know Arthur ashe has his stadium. But
that was post right, So I thought I thought that
was great. Let's see, that's about it so far.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
That's about it.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
I'm wishing the Americans all the best because I know
I know that they understand the odds. I know I
know these players understand what what where they sit in
this and I'm hoping that their teams are putting systems
in place that they can maximize their wins there so
they so they don't have such a such a peak

(01:03:45):
in their season at the French. So I'll be watching that.
So yeah, I'm happy to see. I'm happy to see
all the Americans we have in the draw, which means
their rankings are elevated. And I'm happy to see as
many black Americans. We have some young ones coming through
and we need that, so, you know, we don't want

(01:04:05):
Coco and Francis to have to carry this. I mean,
they're carrying a lot on their shoulders and we don't
want them to have to carry it all by themselves.
So I'm glad to see there's a lot more coming through.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Absolutely, absolutely, I'm looking forward to a fun tournament. It's
going to be highly competitive. So be glued to your
TV if you that. If you're not gonna jump on
the plane and go to France, right, yeah, be glued
to you if you think about it.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
You got Monti, Carlo and Rome and in Paris. I
mean it sounds like a nice vacation.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Yeah yeah, you planing for that though, right, but you know,
all right, before we get out, before we get out
of here the fans. We have a fans question of
the day, and I know Coach Milton we talked about
it for for a second of offline, but the fans
want to know, did Travis Hunter? Yeah, okay, so that

(01:05:04):
Travis Hunter you leave drafted NFL player, superstar player we
we projected in the in the in the in the
n f L. He just married his longtime girlfriend, Leanna Lenney.
And you know, there's been a lot of conversation about
those two for the past year or two, and so.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
They got married. They got married without a prenup.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
So the fans wanted to know, was that a good
decision by mister Hunter or now? So I'll start with you.
I can see your your mind working right now, so I.

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
Want to hear what y'all what y'all pre conversation was first.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
So I won't go ahead and start with you, coach,
what you're thinking?

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
I mean, for real, man, that whole conversation kind of
irritates me because I remember when he was at Jackson State.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
I remember that young lady.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
I know she wasn't with him a hospital, but I've
been watching him since he was in high school and
when he went to Jackson State. They were doing their
tiktoks together and their one sis, and they were bass fishing,
and nobody said a word. Nobody knew nothing about this lady.
They didn't give two fucks about Travis Hans excused my
language and his girl. But when they get to that

(01:06:24):
housman and he goes to Colorado, he becomes a hosman,
you know, candidate. All of a sudden, everybody got something
to say about these folks. Man, leave that man alone.
He got too many people around him, you know, and
Dion being one of them. And I'm not saying Dion
is the best when it comes to marriage advice, because
he done had his own issue. But hey, man, don't

(01:06:46):
nobody really care. The people that's making the comments don't care.
They just got too much time on the hand to
be talking about this man's relationship. Look, man, the man
is young.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
She's young. They gotta be having these conversations.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Because now the only problem I have with everything, man,
is they they're opening themselves up to these conversations because
they're putting all their business out on social media. So
for me, if you're gonna put it out there, you
gotta be expecting all the craziness to come with it.
So I just wish they would stop posting so much
so people could leave them alone. But I don't care
who it is. You you, you know you gotta have

(01:07:23):
a pre nup, bro, I don't care. Hey man, come on, man, hey,
come on man, you gotta have a pre nup. But
at the end of the day, hey man, he uh,
he seems to be in love with heim.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
They seem to be you know, they seem to be
rocking through all the craziness.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
I just I can't believe, because yeah, I can't believe
In is on pre nup.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
But hey, to each his own brother, I wish him well.
So following this story.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
I have not been following it to the depths of
going back to like all their tiktoks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
And all their things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
So just in a general overview, like to me, you
have some options in life, right. So he's been with
her since she was in high school, right so, and
then they were in college together. So the question is
is the question should was it a good decision to

(01:08:32):
get married or a good decision.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
To not have a pre nup? Or which which part
of the question? What is the question let me.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
I think it's a little bit of both. One should
he even married her? For one, you married her, but
then don't get a pre nup on top of that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Cold? Can we can? We can? We can?

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
We I'm sorry, I ain't mean to cut none of up.
Let's really address the issue in the room. Okay, he
was black. Will we be even having this conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
Well, let's let's say, let me say this, let me
say this. That regardless, right, But so he he's he's
choosing fam he's choosing the family. There are people, there
are other choices where you end up with a family,

(01:09:28):
but you don't choose a wife, but you have children,
so at least they're trying. He's been with her. The
other option is don't be with her and then go
into the NFL with the contract and mean somebody you
don't even know, and maybe the same thing. And man,
at some point, he's either gonna get married or he's
gonna have a family and not be married. So the

(01:09:50):
pre nup protects we're assuming that the prenup should be
in place to protect his contract, but the marriage protects
the family. I mean, you're supposed to get married to
stay married, are we assuming that she's getting married and

(01:10:10):
he's getting married, so they won't be married. So we
can't we can't project that right like we're projecting he's
going to be this great player. What if he gets
injured next year? Yeah, technically I think I was looking
at I was looking at both of them. Have you know,
went to college. Both of them have great well dad
like four point zeros and all this. So that doesn't

(01:10:32):
mean that you're smart, don't mean that you're not. But
what I'm saying is, you know, let's say he says
I want a prenup. Maybe they had these conversations like
you're saying, coach, and he said, okay, well I want
a prenup. Well, now we have attorneys. So she goes
and she gets an attorney, and if he loves her,
then he gets her an attorney, right because I want
you to be protected and I want to protect me.
And what if the prenum says she comes back and says,

(01:10:54):
well I want this this year that year. Now we're
putting all this kind of stuff in the game where technically,
if you get a divorce before and every state's different
ten years, she's not gonna it's not gonna be with
what the pre nup is protecting anyway, unless you have
the children, and we do want to take care of
the children, right, I don't know. I like that they're

(01:11:18):
choosing a family and they're not choosing uh. I know
that we're watching all this other stuff on TikTok about
how people are choosing all these other type of homes,
and then there's this other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
That's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:11:35):
I mean, so like I want to advocate for trying
for the family. Now do I think that they should
have a prenup? I don't know because I don't know them,
but I get the business decision behind it. But also
prenups are now all like what they used to be.

(01:11:57):
It's not just I get what I came with and
you get nothing. Don't work, just like just like the
guy what was his name who paid the whole child
support bill up front to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
That supports what.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
It used to be.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Either yeah, take it now now.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
Well, she might come back with her attorney and say, well,
if you want, if you want to give me a prenup,
I want the prenum to say this, which would be
which could be much worse than if they happen to
to go through three years of the NFL, because like,
what are we protecting anyway? So we're protecting what might
happen if they want to get a divorce. Right, So

(01:12:42):
does that mean she's going cheat? I mean, this is
what we're talking about, infidelity, right, or he's gonna cheat?
It's the NFL. What do you think most people think
the person is going to be the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
Cheap and well, well, well I'll say this, Jerry Travis
Hoynter has been depicted as this, this gooddy two shoes guy,
and from from all angles, from the outside looking in,
he does seem to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
To be that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
But the young lady, you know, she's been caught out there.
You know, she looked like she's for the streets a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
You know. So and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Well, well i'll say this. So so the coach Milton's point,
early early on in their in their relationship, you didn't
hear anything about it. Right, But as Travis Hunter evolved
into where he became as a college you know, superstar,
he was a Heisman Trophy winner. You know, now you're

(01:13:45):
high profile, just like a presidential candidate. You might not
hear nothing about him until they decided to run for president.
Now you get all that dirty laundry out right. So
now you get Travis Hunter and his relationship out there
on the street. So they you know, the social media,
they are defeated. You know, they put they put, they
got the timelines, they put stuff out there. They got
her in apartments with with other dudes, you know, half

(01:14:10):
dressed in rap videos, you know, you know, twerking ups
and they buned up with a cooking for a dude
and a rapper that she used to mess with and
stuff like that. So she's been caught out there moving
around a little bit, and even recently when I think
it was this track Housman Trophy presentation when Lil Wayne

(01:14:34):
came to show love glazing all over Little Wayne and
everybody like, dang, she acted a little disrespectful. I know
its liulle Wayne, but dang, you're you're mad right there.
You acting like you ready to jump on Little Wayne
right there on camera, you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
Know, to see Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Yeah, So I will say her her actions is suspect
at the at the least at the least, and he
just seems to be this gooddy two shoe dudes like, Okay,
she can do whatever she want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
I mean, they even have stories where you know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:11):
He doesn't like to go out, he doesn't drink, he
doesn't smoke, he doesn't party, but she does stories where
he takes her to a party, lets her party. He's
out in the car, part outside while she party for hours,
sitting in the car. When she's done, she's getting the
car to go home. So so that's the type of
stuff that's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
So, but infidelity, she's not gonna if she if she
does that, she's not gonna get half she'll get she'll
get she'll get money if she has children.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
But if she cheats, what.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
She can have?

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Mm. I don't know. See that's I thought, that's I
thought that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Are also also when it comes to money they have,
if I'm not mistaken, because they've done a lot of
streaming together, I believe they got money together too, So
I don't you know, Yeah, he has his football money
coming up and all his n I L.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Stuff. I'm sure that's you know that he came into
the NFL already. Yeah, but he the lot of stuff. Yeah,
they got a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
Of people probably will protect him outside of a prenup.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
Yeah. Yeah. So so let me let me get to
my final.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Thought, because because it's because it's comfort because you know,
because it's controversy.

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
You So, I'm just thinking about the marital part and like,
so this is just just.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
And this is no fact to it. It's it's my
conspiracy theory, right. So so the prenup is he trusts
this girl, right, and and so he he doesn't. I
think the whole marriage is a front. Just put it
that way that let's let's let's stop beating around the
But I think the whole marriage is a front. I
think that his his his new wife is the homie.

(01:17:03):
I think that's his close friend. I think that's his bff.
And I honestly believe that Travis Hunter is swinging on
the other team.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I think I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Saying okay because I didn't even know that that was.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
Part of the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
Yeah, I think I think that's the case. And I
think that this is something to keep up his image.
Like he has his wife, he had his longtime girlfriend.
Now that's that's his wife. But everything we see if
Travis saying, I know he's a goofy guy, fun kid
and everything, but come on, bro, you can't tell me
you haven't watched this dude, And the thought haven't gone.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
Through your head that this dude is kool aid that
I was. I wasn't. I wasn't thinking that.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
I was thinking the cup hold angle like, and you
was kind of validating that where he's okay, hey go
do you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Say that? Yeah, she's she's Diddy and he's Cassie. There
you go.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
They would not shock me, Bron, because I was on
the I was on the move. Where like you said,
when you validated, who gonna go to a party, let
their significant or anybody close to them go in anywhere
where there's an opposite sex and all kinds of shenanigans going,
and you cool with just sitting in the car and
being okay with.

Speaker 7 (01:18:25):
That reward.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
This hard stop.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
Hey, this is no caption. We're gonna keep it gutter.

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
Okay, the first the first portion of the other team, Okay,
I was I'm solid with you there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
I was not aware.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
Okay, So maybe they have another contract in place that's
not called a prenup. Yeah, because if you know it,
that means his team know it. And if that's her purpose,
then maybe there's something else in play that Trump's arena
and the fact that I don't know and we're not

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gonna give nobody the Cassie did he name? If we
seen nobody do nothing like that, because I'm trying to
tell you I'm horrified every day three year old boy
was not in the girl. They may be doing some things,

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but that right there, Look look.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
That way.

Speaker 7 (01:19:47):
This is not wine. Now you got me drinking. I
was drinking before. Now you got me drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
What you drinking? Old Jared? There we go. I hope that's.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Okay, But but nah, this kid, anything that she's been
called doing on, anything that she's been questioned on by
the public, right he's he hasn't had any issue with
though he's stuck by her one hundred percent. He supported her.
I'm telling you now, I think that he trusts her

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with his life. I think that's how close to friends
they are, and I don't think it's a real relationship.
And at the same time, you guys kind of alluded
to it a bit, But you haven't heard anything from DS.
You haven't heard anything from Chador or his boys, because
I think they know too. They stayed out. You never

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heard him make a comment one time about his relationship
with his wife, and those are the people that's closest
to him. He grew up in that household. He's like
an additional brother to them. So if she was somebody
who's out there to get them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
And somebody would have said something, I would.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Have make that in the buzz because none of those
sand this boy.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
You know, they don't keep they don't hold their tongue
if they feel something.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
So so that that's why I came up with this
conspiracy conspiracy theory, and just based off looking at him.
Just look at his body language. Look, look, oh my god, I.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
Was going off of the marriage prenum family. Okay, I'm
gonna be with somebody I know. I'm gonna go out
there by myself and be with somebody I don't know.
But now that you're going to change the whole thing up. Okay, yeah, yeah, Well,
you know, stranger things have happened.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
They had a they had a video recently at their
wedding reception when they was dancing and stuff. You know,
he's dancing off goofy and making these these funny faces
and and they put Jamie Fox face next to on
from a living color.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
I gotta get on tip top.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Oh my god. So look that's all I gotta say
about that. That that's my my theory. I think that
it's it's just all all the fun. I think we
just need to mind mind no business. I think they
got their own thing going on and and it works
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Okay, you said mind our business.

Speaker 7 (01:22:27):
Yeah, we just mind o business business and let let
social media. What would you say, social media does.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
No Just let them do them, just let them do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
But you said social media is undefeated.

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. They they tapped in. They tapped
in every step of the way. Okay, every step of
the way. So yeah, that's all I had. There's a
great show. And I appreciate you. You're talking French, open
with it. You know, it's always a pleasure anytime you're

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in a building, you're welcome anytime talk about tennis, okay,
what you talk about. You can always just just just
stop by and and just have these fun conversations.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Milton. You know, appreciate you once again holding it down. Yes, sir,
I appreciate you having me before. I know, I know
my phone went off here.

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
I'm trying to run my phone battery die, but I
have I want I have a question for you both.
If we can do like another two to three minutes
let's do so on the topic of pickleball and tennis,
what's what's the beef? I ain't mean, have you drink

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no more to kill it? But is it a beef?
Is it really a beef?

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Are we're friends?

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:23:56):
Because I've been noticing when we got some of these
tennis players that are transitioning over to pick a ball,
there's a lot of conversation on you know, if certain
players can actually transition over and I just made it
up like beef, but is there is there any any
correlation to that or how do you feel about the

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pickle ball actually take it over and being that I
think is a transitional sport for you to continue to play.
Not of course it's not as athletic as a game,
but it still keeps you close to the game, if
I can say that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:30):
No, that was a real question because beef like beef.
Because what happened initially was pickleball did not have infrastructure,
so they were kind of even on basketball course blacktops,

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tennis courts, putting down lines and things like that, and
so it became a thing of like where will they
go the existing tennis facilities? Are the are a good
place we can jump in when tennis players are not
really playing at you know, not at non peak times.
But then what happened was, because pickleball is early an

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early success sport, a lot of tennis players who were
injured or just didn't want to run the whole gamut
of the course were moving over. So it became a
financial situation for the governing bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Right, Okay, all the players are.

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
Leaving, But then what we found out was that they're
not really leaving. They're playing both or they've stopped playing
tennis anyway because their bodies couldn't couldn't handle it. So
then that's what we once Once they really got data
driven because these type of sports that's diving into this
data now they realized that wasn't the case. So how

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can now, how can we work together? Now do we
want to say, oh, let's merge. No, but okay, let's
let's determine when tennis players aren't using tennis course, let's
book that time for tennis course. Let's you know, real
estate that could be used for pickleball that. Yeah, it
would be nice to have some tennis course there, but

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we don't really have the population for that. But let's
go ahead and identify and work together. So now even
like the coaching certifications, some of those companies, there's you know,
there's two or three of them. They're working together side
by side. So when you go into their platforms, you
can get your coaching certification for tendants and coaching certification
for pickleball kind of in the same place. So it's

(01:26:33):
it's kind of like they had to kind of find
a way to work together but separately. It took and
that's why I say the beef is okay. It took
a good five years. Okay, but I think we're there now.
The thing I would say about pickleball is, you know,
you can pick it up later, kids can play it,

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and you don't have to be able to you know,
your athletic prowess. That doesn't have to be as as
home then as it does for tennis. You know, the
court is much bigger for tennis, it's it's you know,
it's seventy eight feet from baseline to base line, but
pickleball is smaller. It's a little shorter than sixty So
you can get it in good question though, because you

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have pro players leaving, but you do have pro tennis
players leaving tennis and playing professional pickleball base pickball. They're
paying Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Like that, Okay, it is like that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
I can't I can't think of the girl name.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
But she she was on the tennis tour for a
while now, she's one of the best pickleball players in
the world. Black Black girl. I can't remember her name
off the top of my head. I was trying to
trying to see if I could find it. But I'll
think about it. We'll, we'll, I will hear. She is
ty Tyger Hurricane Black.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Oh, Tyer Black.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
Okay, yeah, so so she's she's doing big things in
the pickleball world. Uh yeah, so I pickleball is taking
over a lot of spaces.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
You know, you got I think are here Dulls Townsend.

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
They getting to dedicate one of like two mega stores
and just combine them and just do like one hundred
courts or.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Something crazy like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
It's gonna be crazy out here.

Speaker 7 (01:28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
And another thing that I think pickball effect it was,
I know, I noticed the local tennis courts you know
where I live in, like the high school tennis courts,
they getting resurfaced, They getting brand new surfaces, and they
getting the pickleball lines.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Yeah, so so that I mean, that's that's a positive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:28:46):
So you can put like for tennis, you can put
four people on it, but on that same court, you
can put sixteen people on yeah, on that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
One court, on one court, because you got you okay, So.

Speaker 7 (01:29:02):
That's sixteen people playing paying versus four people paying. Yeah,
and that was the issue.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Moves money moves, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
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great guests. So see you next week, same time, same channel.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Okay, see sports.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
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