TNCSSP S4 EP 160 | June 4, 2025

Former Oklahoma State University & NFL Wide Receiver, Ethan Howell will be in the building with TNCSSP crew!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, this is till the counter am and I wonder
welcome you to a sports experience.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 4 (00:44):
Let the convo begin, No came, Welcome to the No
Cat Sports Show podcast with sports and Combos Collide and
your Cobra.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
And I'm your host, Coach Milton.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
What up, Coach Milton? Now you doing brother?

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Hey, I'm doing beautiful man. How about yourself?

Speaker 6 (01:10):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
It's another Wednesday, man, No Cat Sports your podcast day, man,
And we got a we got a special guest out
in the dugout right now that we're gonna introduce in
a few minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I'm excited to talk to him.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, and you, uh No Cap viewers and listeners. I
apologize for the for the delayed start that that's on me.
I had some technology issues, but hey, we back. Hey,
that's why it's no Cap, no editor, No next ship
happens on this. So you know what I'm saying. You
don't never know what You're gonna get.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Roll with the punches. Gotta roll with the punches.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah yeah, just roll with it, man, but they know
what it is. It's all love.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Indeed. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
Look, you you ready for the uh for the NBA Finals.

Speaker 7 (02:02):
Hey man, I'm excited about it. I'm intrigued. Uh yeah,
I think it's gonna be. You got some people saying
that they don't want to watch it, but I think
it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be better than
what people anticipate.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like. I like the styles of
both teams. I think I think it's going to make
an exciting series.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
So so, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
If it's gonna the series gonna go to seven and
nothing like that, but I think each game at least
going to have the action packed at the very least.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
I hope. So, I hope.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
I think I think, uh, I think everybody's starting to
kind of come into their own at the right time.
And uh, I think I think both teams have something
to prove, so, you know, if nothing else, they can
be playing off for Proude and it'll be the first
time for either one of them, so it definitely should be,
you know, a good run.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
So for sure, for sure, But man, let's get into
this show, Coach Millton, Man, we got uh Man, we
got my dog in the back, in the back waiting
to come on. Man, he's a standout, superstar athlete out
of the state of Louisiana, went to Oklahoma State University

(03:19):
and did his thing on that grid iron, that wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
He was the best receiver on the squad. He did
his thing, did his.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Thing so much that our hometown team, the Washington back
thenner was the Washington Redskins. But now our commanders, you know,
had to had to make that call and draft my man. Look, man,
hell of a athlete, hell of a legendary career.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
And you know, I know this man personally and I
and I think he's a hell of a person. You
know what I'm saying. So without further ado, let me
introduce our guy Hea than out to the show.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
What's up baby?

Speaker 6 (04:07):
What's up with Cobra?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
And my man?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Coach saluted.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Family, got you understand? Oh Man, y'all have had me
on ice for like six months. Man, I'm just happy
to be here. Man had him in time out, Yeah,
no doubt.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
But I'll tell you one thing.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
You definitely got some fans because I know I've been
getting hitting hitting my inboxes like people can't wait to
see this show and hear your story.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
So you know what I mean. So we're gonna we're
gonna get into it. You you're about to say something,
coach Milton.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Man.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
Before we get started, man, I want to say congratulations
to both of you, gentlemen, man for your recent graduation
of your daughters, and then a happy belated birthday.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
To your daughter Ethan.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Man.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
You know we all girl dads.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Man, so you know your papas man.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
So again, congratulations to you both, appreciate appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
And congratulations and your daughter too, cod Yeah, congratulations of
yours too. When when your daughter birthday? Man was yesterday? Man,
So so my mine is on on Monday, June night,
My daughter's birthday June ninth.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
And my daughter's on the fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Wow are they all geminis?

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Indeed?

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Man, they hail man.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
He tell me about it. But I love them, heyby
girl girl.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah, it ain't nothing like it.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Man, No, man, no, man, I seriously, man got me.
I couldn't ask for a better daughter.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
You know, she love her dad, I love her man,
and you know I'll do anything for her. Man.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So there's not just a special show
because we got a special I guess we all so
celebrating around the hall.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I hope y'all got jobs because I got married. I'm
on this water right now.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Look.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Look it was it was a hot.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
One to day.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I had I coach a youth summer track team down
here in Louisiana.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
We run a U and USA track and field.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So I'm just I had to run home freshen up,
throwing another tea, grab me some water. Then I gotta
drive to Dallas tonight to catch a flight in the morning.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
So I am on. I'm on the water right now.
But look I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Flying the A Z in the morning, and so to
give me the pool, so you know, I gotta hidro
up right now. Man, Yeah, buddy, yeah, you ain't gonna
do a seventy two? Are you out there? I'm actually
gonna do like a ninety six?

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Wow? You going out? You're going out with this fright
can in your hands.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Look yeah, look Thursday of the Monday, you know, because
I don't I don't want to miss the Sunday fun.
I got my old voice saying all right, now I
don't want to miss the Sunday Fundy.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
Third.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, so yeah, let's let's jump into this thing. So
so Eve, we like to always start, uh from the
very beginning, bro, Like you know, we all know what
what what type of tremendous athlete you you ultimately became.
But when did it start? When did you know that
you was a special athlete? And was football your first boy?

(07:45):
And was there was there that someone who who was
inspiration for you?

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Man? It started from from the ground up. Man, I'm
talking about from.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
Me high man h four and five years old.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Man. So just just just a quick rundown. My dad
played in the NFL seven years Dallas how graduated from
Grambling State. Uh that's back in the day when Gramblin
used to used to run the nation. As far as

(08:23):
all those guys going to the league every year, Man,
I'm talking about Hall of famers Buck Buchanan and uh
Willie Davis says and the way I mean, man, you know,
the list goes on and on. But uh, he went
to Gramblin along with his two other brothers, my uncle

(08:44):
Mike and Uncle Lane. And they are actually the first
black trio brothers to ever play in the NFL at
the same time, back in the seventies and and and.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
That's that's in the books.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
So started off man, just my family, that's just our bloodline, man,
and that's just our pedigree was athletes. And so all
three of them was in the league at the same time.
My dad was drafted to the New Orleans Saints. Shout
out to the Saints to who that nation you already know.
And he played his first four years there and then

(09:24):
his last three years he flew up top to the Jets,
played with Joe Namath and those boys. And he was
in New Orleans with Archie Manning. So then I have
another uncle. My uncle Mike played for the Cleveland Browns.
He was with Jim Brown back in those days. And
they say that when him and Jim Brown used to

(09:46):
race and practice, my uncle Mike used to beat Jim
Brown in the sprints. Then he got traded and went
to in seventy two and went to the Miami Dobinson
and played on that undefeated team. He's one of the
all time career interception leaders. He's in the Cleveland Browns

(10:08):
Hall of Fame. And my uncle played seven years. My
uncle Lane played seven years with the Eagles offensive line.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
So that's just where we come from.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
And so started at an early age man football, basketball, track,
and we just got it out the mud man. And
so by the time that you know, we got to
the youth leagues and junior highs, Man, it was it
was off to the races. So of course, you know,
I got an identical twin. We're five minutes apart.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Evan.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
He played dB. I played receiver. And so everybody just
new man. Once we got up into that that youth
and that rec league. Man, watch out for them twins, man,
because you don't want to see them little me they
you know, they they coming like that. And so man,
just basketball, football, track, Man. We we just did it

(11:05):
all man, and was able to excel.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
So, so out of all of those sports, football was
your favorite or did you have another favorite sport?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Man, I ain't gonna.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Lie cold, Man.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I wanted to go I wanted to go to Duke
and be a point guard. Man.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Man, look, ma'n Tyler, you football dudes coming on this
show talking.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
About I was a point guard before I was anything else,
you know.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Today, Bro, I was a PG man on on God
Like growing up.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Man, They didn't want to see the twins. Man. We're
picking up, we locking up full court.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
We're gonna take your cookies.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
We're gonna go let it up, and we're gonna we're gonna,
were gonna run everything. Then we ran the whole city, man,
up until till we got to high school. And then
we switched over to the football. But man, everybody could
tell you they did not want to see the twins. Man.
That's that's on guy basketball. I still get stopped when
I go to the gas station the guys over there

(12:14):
and say, hey, man, you and your twin was hell
on that court. Man, y'all turned out to be our
you know, pretty nice on that field. But on that court, man, man,
that's all people used to talk about. And that's that's
real talk. So that was my first love, man. But
you know, when I stopped growing in the eleventh grade

(12:35):
and stopped at six foot six one, you know, it's like,
hey man, I'm coming diamond does And then I ain't
scoring twenty five and thirty in high school, man, let me,
let me try this football. And so.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
We took a break from football.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
We played in junior high and then we took a
break once we got a ninth and tenth grade eleventh grade.
We didn't play football again until we were seniors in
high school when we started figuring out, okay, the letters
are not coming. You know, we was getting you know,
some some some some track love. But you know, we
really didn't want to go and go to college run

(13:13):
track man. You know, we didn't love track that much.
We just understood that track was a way to enhance
our speed, you know, for for basketball and football, and
we kind of was forced to run to My daddy
wasn't having it. He's like, y'all running track because I
understand that speed kills over everything. And so we was
pretty successful in track as well. But it really helped

(13:38):
us as we decided to make that that leap back
onto the field our senior year and we were able
to both get all district and and ended up getting
a full rize scholarship to the Grammary State. I did
the legendary coach Eddie Robinson Rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's what's up.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
So when you ran track, man, so you you was
a quarterhorse, So what what was you know, you just
kind of glossed over the track stuff.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
So what what was what were the events.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Quarter horse was.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
I don't know how you can tell, milk, but I
was a quarter horse.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I ran the eight.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Hundred two, man, I ran. I ran the four by one,
the two hundred, uh, the four by four, everything from
the eight hundred on down. Man, You know I was.
I was pretty nice and like that in trap as well.
We ran high school. We ran the summer track. Uh,
every summer from from age eight all the way up

(14:41):
to eighteen. Man traveled all over the country, ran in
those Junior Olympic track meets every summer. Man. So we
never really had any time off, man, because we were
tracking the summer uh football in the fall and basketball
right after that.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
And then jumping right back into high school track. So
we never had any time.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Man. Matter of fact, when I graduated from high school,
y'all gonna laugh at this, but this is the guy
that is true. I was the same height I am
right now. I was six foot. I was one hundred
and forty five pounds, tripping wet, soaken, wet, soaking, wet.

(15:28):
We were some skinny We were just some skinny athletics,
real fast dudes that we just couldn't couldn't, couldn't gain
no weight.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
You we're doing too much.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
But yeah, to put weight on.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
You none man t training none none.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
And so I tell guys, man, I'm like, hey, y'all,
just don't understand man. You know when we weighed in
at Grambling our freshman year, we were we weighed in.
I was a buck forty five, twin was a buck
forty seven. And uh but but we were just we
were just some fast, you know, super fast guys that

(16:08):
that needed their bodies to you know, mature and growth. Yeah. Yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
A lot of times when you had standout athletes like
you and your brother was enter into entering into high
school there sometimes there's a bidden ward of like who's
going to get these kids to come to our high school?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Well?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Was it like that for you?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
You as well?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, it was a couple of high schools here that
was that was wanting us. But they knew we were
we were WASMANI high school like mine. I had three brothers,
uh well, one older brother and two sisters that both
had already came to Wasman and so they knew that

(16:59):
the twins were coming to Wiseman.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
It really wasn't wasn't no discussion. Even though my dad
went to the.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Art rival across town he went there, but everybody knew
we were coming to Wiseman. Man, but we were we
were still Carroll High School fans.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
But everybody knew it, man, And so it wasn't it
wasn't much you know, talk about it. They knew where
we were going.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
So how was it, man?

Speaker 7 (17:30):
You know, uh, having having a brother? I mean, you know,
you guys were twins, so that's that's a whole different dynamic.
But how was it having your brother?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Man to just.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
You know, because a lot of times you have competition
in your schools and stuff, but it seemed like you
and your brother were two dogs. So you know, talk
to the views about how that was having someone that
in house competition, that can push each other, you know,
talk to the views about that.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Man.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, Man, So having each other, man, just it just
gave us an advantage because we were going at it
against each other in the neighborhood and in the wrecked
and in our private workouts with my dad and our
older brother and my younger brother that came right behind us.

(18:18):
So all of us having each other and especially with
men twin, we were we were just so competitive, man,
like our our one on ones, Man, with would last
for hour, hour and a half sometime, man, just just
going back and forth, back and forth. But we pushed

(18:40):
each other and pushed each other and pushed each other
so that when it.

Speaker 6 (18:44):
Was time to see the ops, they.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Didn't have a chance.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Man.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Oh it's two of them out. They didn't have a chance.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Man. But you know it just gave us that advantage, man,
because we we we we made each other the better man,
and we pushed each other, you know, to the limit, man,
and we just we just refused, you know, refuse to love.
And we always had that killer and that that dog
in us.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
It was we just play out day. You remember back
yard guys, remember back of the day, man, when you
go to the reck and you get to the rec
at twelve o'clock and you're there at the five and
six o'clock in the evening. Man, these young boys just
don't understand, man, the grind. Man. You didn't have to
look for us. You knew exactly where we was at.

(19:35):
And this was every day, man, every day, every day,
Monday through Saturday, and sometimes on Sundays if your mom
and dad let you go after church, you feel me.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
And so come close all jacked up all man the
whole nine.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Man.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
So it was just competitive like that.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Man. And then in the neighborhood, you know, we always
was outside playing basketball too, man, and so it was, man,
we we just we just never got tired. Man.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
We just it was it was fun.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
It was it was just our lifestyle.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
That's what's up.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
So so I know you ultimately you guys signed to
go to Gramley, But what was the recruiting process like
for for you guys and for you in particular coming
out of high school? Did you take visits? Who did
you visit?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Man?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
It was only one school, Kobe, and one offer, and
and that was Oaklahama. I mean, I'm sorry that was
Gramley State. It was it was like it was it
was understood, like I guess because everybody just knew that
my my dad and my uncles were were all legends.

(20:51):
And you know, keep in mind, we only played football
our senior year, so nobody really knew about us until
Drive came to practice. He knew that, you know, how
twins were we're playing, and but he was he was
the only one that offered the only one that really
ever showed any interest in calls, And so it was

(21:15):
understood that how boys, uh the how twins are gonna
gonna follow their dad and their uncle and they're gonna
they're gonna go to Gramary.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
And they're gonna be gi.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
So so what can you tell our views and listeners
about the experience like Grambling both on the field and
off the field. Like you know, HBCU sometimes is a
different culture. So if you if you can kind of
paint a picture for the views and listeners.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Man, I'm so happy man that that we had the
opportunity to to attend in HBCU at the time. You know,
that's kind of all we knew we we went to
Grambling game was growing up. You know, we remember the
Grambling our corn games with Steve McNair, you know, and

(22:09):
we remember going to watch gramblin in Mississippi Valley State
and watching Jerry Rice and you know, and you know,
watching Walter Payton, Nick Jackson State play against you know,
all of these guys coming up, and so that's all
that we that we knew in person.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
You know, we would watch L.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
S U.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I was a big L.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
S U fan, and I was a big I was
actually a big Ou fan growing up.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So my mom is from Oklahoma, and so we were
we were ou fans, uh football fans growing up watching
you know, those guys in the in the Wishbone and
watching l s U. So that's that's kind of, you know,
all we knew as far as growing up and being
able to watch on TV and attending those HBCU games, man,

(23:01):
and just the experience going to the.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Games and the bands and and then.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
You you know, you you get on campus and it's
like amazing, you seeing so many beautiful women that you've
never seen. You know, you got all black instructors, all
the coaches are black. Uh, the cafeteria workers are all black.

(23:31):
I mean, everything was black, man. So that's that's all
we that's all we knew. And then coming from Monroe, Louisiana,
the south side is all black and the north side
and West Monrol is all white. So that's all we
were we were ever accustomed to was was black everything.

(23:52):
And so it was kind of an easy transition going
to ground in our freshman year because that's all we knew.
But it was just on a whole nother level because
now you got all these people from from New York
and from California and from Floyda all these places coming

(24:13):
to Gramley. Grambling is it's a small place. It's not
a huge campus, and so you're seeing everybody every day
and they're seeing you. And so with Gramley football, you know,
you play football, you you off the top, you got
some strips and got love like, oh he played football,

(24:33):
you know. The twins they hear so. And then Grambling
is only thirty minutes up the street. So it's kind
of like, you know, you're at home, but you're you're
further away to where you away from home. They're going like, guys,

(24:54):
what's up?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Bro?

Speaker 8 (24:56):
They run up back of the building. Man, back like
I never left. Man, you know what I'm saying, Get
the light out from Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:03):
What you ma?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Bro, good to see you you too. Man.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
You look like you look like you delivered uh Pepsi's
man on the eighteen wheeler with that uh put that
hand that on.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Look like a tr trucker. Man.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Man, Hey, Bro, you know I was having a few
little technical difficulties with your laptop, man, and you got
that uh I had.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
I had to draw on my beats.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Man, so I can so I can hear y'all. Man.
You know, I wanted to make sure it's legit.

Speaker 8 (25:36):
And Kobe he got that, uh it, he got that
that Phoenix to Houston New Orleans route. You know what
I'm saying, man.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Man, come on, man, let's getting back on the track.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Man, would you pool?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You know they need traffic controling. I'm Newark, man, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Hey, man, I'm in the South, man, so you know
everything in the.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
South it's slow.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Man.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
You know we got we got we got inmates.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Man down here escaping.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
They I'm root for the lasts too, Mann, Get to Mexico, Slim,
Just get to Mexico.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
That's all you got to do.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Man, they gonna they gonna need some help to get there. Man,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Man, listen, Man, the boys they got loaded.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Too Mexico these days.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
But they could be.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
They can be hiding anywhere in New Orleans, you know
what I'm saying. The New Orleans only place I know
when you drive down the street and you see stuff
that look like it's vacant, bought it up, and you're like, oh, man, that.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
People have lived there. They be bought it up cold,
and it's people that actually lived there, you like, So
you know they got.

Speaker 8 (26:58):
If the right marshals ain't litting in the writing some
Marshals of the day from the waters. They're like, oh, man,
ain't nobody that's an abandoned house. But that's an abandoned building.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
Hey, man, they don't.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
They running out of time, man. The walls is closing in.
But they've been out about a back. They've been out
about a Martin now man. So I hope they've been
able to live their life to the fullest to get
it in this thirty days man, because you know they
their time is coming.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I just hope they I just hope they don't hurt nobody,
you know what I'm saying before they get caught. Yeah,
but we got to get back on the track for
me conveniently interrupt But no, he came in hot.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
He came there hot too, That's what I do.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
He was talking about his experience and grambling both on
and off the field, and you know how great when you.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
See how I do it.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know it was.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
Somebody else talking.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that
feedback was. Hey, this is no catch ports show, baby,
we get feedback.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
All that that might have been my brother, y'all might
have heard him talking. You know, you got he to
be loud. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
Okay, you can't hear Temple for miles away. Temple, I said,
what's up?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
But I knew it had to be on pull Man
because everything else been clear.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Everything was good on tireless till I showed up.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Hey, I'm just glad he had some light with some weight.
Wall was in the Baltimore Alleys.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
He used to be stuck by Hollywood like he's in
the hot out of.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
You know, I can't let him know where I'm at. Man,
I got I got a ride around. Man, I can't
let them. Ice ain't just catch me.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Man.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
You know what I'm saying. Donald Trump trying to get
it all of us. My name, My name ain't right.
You know what I'm saying, Man.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
Bro, we gotta get right.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Man.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Well you got you got the light right though, Bro,
you got the Sir so so Eve question for you.
So you you're you're a legacy athlete. You you at Grambling,
You got a big name.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
You and your brother there doing your thing, y'all walking
around campus, y'all big dogs at Grambling.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
We went into the decision to leave Gramble and ultimately
going to O s U. So we red shirted that year.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
But starting off man early on, man, we could see
and everyone else could see that we were kind of
separating from that freshman pack. Uh. You know, these these
little little cats can they can go. You know, everybody

(30:00):
you know started to see that. Uh, the older elder
the older classmen started to give us love and and
and respect us and and let us hang out with them,
you know, off campus after practice, you know all that. Man,
So they were showing major love to us, and and
we knew that that that we could play on on

(30:23):
any level. Man. We came in hot, we came in hungry,
and you know we was we was ready to compete.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I was scoring touchdowns and in the in the in
the spring games and then and the preseason scrimmages. Twin
was over there picking off every quarterback man, getting an
interception every day. And it was just like, man, these
twins are making making big plays. They ready to play

(30:54):
right now. But back then, man, it wasn't no, it
wasn't no playing, no true freshmen at Grammar. And they
didn't care how good you were. You just you know,
you know, Eddie Robinson was old school you know he
was when we got there, he was in his like
forty ninth fiftieth year, and so he was, you know,

(31:18):
stuck in his ways like no freshman wasn't ever planning,
you know, no matter how good you were, you had
to pay your respect, wait your turn, and then you
know what I'm saying, you get on the field that
that's just kind of how the tradition was.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
And so we're making plays. We're making plays.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
And then.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Gramley started to get some buzz on going on NCAA
probation about around some things that had happened in the
past that had nothing to do with us. And so
you had these these guys from the NCAA coming in
and viewing players. They interviewing us, you know, asking us questions.

(32:05):
You know, we're confused, like what's going on, Like y'all
interviewing us?

Speaker 6 (32:09):
We just we just got here.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know, the questions that y'all accing have really nothing
to do with us. But they were having issues about
practices going over time and you know, spending too much
time on the practice field and and and some other
things that were questionable. And so it was a lot

(32:34):
of talk that Bramblin is is going to be going
on probation and is going to be missing some some games,
and you know, I got some some stuff coming, you know,
and so we didn't want to be a part of that, uh.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
And we knew that we had.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Separated and showed that, you know, we could play on
on on any level, and so we just made the decision. Man,
and Oklahoma State came into the picture because my dad,
one of his good friends was the running backs coach
at the time at Oklahoma State, a guy named Tom
Lazine out of New Orleans. And so when we started

(33:18):
to you know, weigh our options and look at different places,
that was just one of the first places that we
that we went to. And we knew that we were
gonna have a good opportunity there because you know, we
know somebody my dad, you know, played with coach Levine
and was kind of like his big brother at Gramlin,

(33:40):
and so he talked to us and told us, hey,
you guys come in here and compete. This is uh,
you know, at this is Big twelve. And so you
guys come here and compete. You can play. You can
play here. But they had that crazy rule back then
that you know, if you go up to a higher

(34:01):
division you would have to sit out a year, and
so we already were red shirting at Grambling and then
we get to Oklahoma State had to sit out another year.
That's two years out that we ain't played. So we
went there, man, and then you know, the rest is history.
But we walked on there. We didn't we didn't get

(34:23):
there on a full ride, you know. We we walked
on and then had to earn a scholarship. But it
was tough, you know, leaving your family, you know, leaving
your teammates, leaving your friends, you know, you know, it
was tough. But it was a lot easier because we
had each other.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
And so that made the decision a lot easier.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
So how was the how was the transition from an
HBCU to a you know.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
P W. The transition was was very difficult, man. I'm
talking about in the classroom and on the field. You know,
you go from like I mentioned earlier, you go from
an all black campus, all black everything, to all white

(35:14):
campus and all white everything. Basically, yeah, you had a few,
you know, black guys. The only black people that were
on campus were the football players and basketball players. But
everything else was was painted white. Man, And you know instructors,
everybody white. And so it was a transition, man, because

(35:36):
it was hard. You didn't know anybody, and and you
gotta you gotta get it out the mud every thing.
You gotta you gotta work for everything. Ain't ain't no favors, ain't.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
No you know, you know thisice, you know, it wasn't
none of that, man.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
So it was a struggle academically, you know, more than
you know athletically. Man, You know that that was a struggle. Uh,
but you know we got there and just had to
grind on the field. Ah sure, you know they were

(36:12):
you know, not bigger. I wouldn't necessarily say faster or
more athletic. They were just bigger in the trenches, you know,
because you got these big white guys, you know, in
the trenches and everybody's been on these weight programs and
you know there and so that was the biggest difference

(36:34):
from us. Was not not our speed and not our skill,
but it was just you know, strength, you know, and
and strong like those guys were strong. You know how
it is at these HBCUs. I mean it's a lot
better now. But when we were coming up weight room,
what man, we had to work out with the student body.

(36:58):
It wasn't and it wasn't no, you know what I'm saying.
We had a specific wait, No, we had to go
work out with the student body, and they were you know,
they would give us a time frame where we could
go work out.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
But now we were working out in there with you.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Know, just a couple of benches and you know, a
couple of little machines, and then we could Talklahoma State
and it was like, wow, you know, we got all
this and then you know, the training table, the food
is different, man, you know everything, man, you know so,
but you appreciated that, you know, coming from an HBCU

(37:36):
and once you got there, man, it was like night
and day.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
I did the opposite. I went from a PW out
of HBC. When you say working out, I remember the
first time, you know, we we had a little week
room if you want to call it that, in the
basement of our doing right, it was a little dungeon, right.
I remember the first time they say we got to
work out on the morning. Right, we get there and
we started that workout as well as every other workout

(38:03):
with a thousand push.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
That was the workout.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
No, that was the start. That was we started.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
That was the star.

Speaker 8 (38:11):
Once you got through the thousands, it was twenty people
in the group. Everybody had a set of fifty. It's like,
all right, now you got ten ten on the bitch breast.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Oh man, it was terrible.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Man when I said, but we ain't had no stript coach,
our stript with the you know, the offensive line coach
Fred data up man. But he uh, he ran the
way I mean he ran our weight group. So you
had it been that or you had a d line
coach who was going to have you do shoulders with
ten pound weights for forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know what I'm saying? Who is who was your
old line coach? Fred Dean?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
They played in the league.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, they played for the Play for play for.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
The Redskins and the forty nine ers, didn't he.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
Now that it's two different friend the Dean's Okay, Okay, yeah,
that Fred Dean. I think he like in the Hall
of Fame Fame. Okay, yeah, we got we got Fred
Dean B. That Fred we got Fred Dean B.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I was wondering. I was wondering because Fred Fred Dean
the Hall of Famer. He's one of my dad best friends.
He passed away a few years ago. But he's from
about this way, like right near Gramlin and Rusting.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Where Yeah from uh I think he from Houston. Where
where Fred Dan from? Teo?

Speaker 8 (39:30):
I'm not even Florida, from like Gainesville. Yeah, so now
it was two different fred Danes.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Man.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
You know I said, we got Fred Dean b played
with the Hogs, though he played with the Redskins.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay back in the day.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
So yeah, yeah, so man, it was night and day man.
But but I I definitely could see you poom going
from you know, the uprode to the to the Lord.
I know that was a drastic change.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Man. It was like it was it was night and day.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
But you know, so it was so many things culturally
that I wasn't preparing for, like when I went down ECU.
Like so the football wasn't a problem, like I you know,
started as a true freshman.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Football wasn't a problem. It was just everything else.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
Like you could tell me all you want, America was
only thirteen percent black, right, But I live in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Slim.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
You know what I'm saying. I never had you know,
I ain't had no white teachers. I ain't never had
no white principal. I ain't never had no white doctors,
you know what I'm saying, Like we had black everything,
you know.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
So when I went down there and I was like, oh, man, America.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Really is only thirteen percent black, you know what I'm saying,
that you start seeing that, like to your point though,
like it's all your teachers are white, every you know,
all the students in the classes white. You're like, man,
what is the only black people on campus?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is football? Basketball?

Speaker 8 (40:50):
You got a couple students, But then you know workers,
you know what I'm saying, Not professors, the worker you
know what I'm saying, Like the cafeteria, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And so that was the culture shock of that, of that,
you know was.

Speaker 8 (41:06):
Maybe if i'd have been somewhereere that was in the
bigger city, you know what I'm saying. But Greenville, North
Carolina ain't nothing but ECU, you know what I'm saying.
And it's just like, man, it's just it is. On
of this, I was like, I gotta get that a
lot of head. I gotta get back to black people. Yeah,
you know, but it was a hell of a sacrifice
on the football side though, because so when you said
like the extra time. I'm like, man, that was one

(41:27):
of the things that killed me. Like when I first
came because you know Peter Lives. You know, we had
twenty one periods. You know they brought that whistle at
five minutes. You know what I'm saying, Like, no matter
what work you got done in that first period, you
moving on the period too.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's going no NonStop, right.

Speaker 8 (41:45):
And when I got to Howard Man, there was no
set time on when practice could be over.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
You know what I'm saying. Like what I'm saying, man,
Like the only.

Speaker 8 (41:55):
Thing that could save you is like, hey man, the
calf is closing.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know what I'm saying, Like, let you guys go
closed in twenty minutes. You know what I'm saying. That
was the always thing to take.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
But two hour, three hour practice, you know what I'm saying,
that was nothing Like it was nothing. So in my protest,
I used to be like, all right, we don't know
what time is gonna stop, so I ain't going out
there till we uh, I ain't going out there till inside.
You know what I'm saying, I'm not going out there
for indeed, I'm not going out there for special teams, no,

(42:28):
because just be standing around. I used to be in
the locker room like what they are right now, Man,
they seven or seven, I'll be there in ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I got.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Once they get the inside or bliss draill, that's when
I go out. And I was so young, I just
run out. No stretch, No, not just run out, stapaged
it up, get the huddle.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
That's it's see it was manc.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
So, so how long did it take you once you
got on the feel like os U two to get
acclimated and really hit your stride out there where you
started to you know, make some noise and get recognition.

Speaker 6 (43:11):
So so, how how was that transit? How long did
it did it actually take you?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
It took about a good year and a half, man,
to be honest, to where I was really ready to
step out there and really compete, you know, because like
I said, I was one hundred and forty five pounds,
so I needed to put on some weight and and
and I needed to do that fast in order to
you know, take some of them some of that punishment.

Speaker 8 (43:40):
You know, Man, you had to look like a bible head.
You missed that, Hey, you run.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
Around your head, slim, skinny man.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
And so I was thinking like Davante Adams, he was
like that size going into Alabama, right.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
And one of the mother.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Y smith. That's why That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, like him, man, Like I was just fastest, lightning
straight line speed. But I had to do you know,
growing mature man in my body and put on some
weight man, and and learn how to do everything block
and all that. Man. Man, I ain't know nothing about
no blocking.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Man, what I'm a wall received a coach?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
What were doing? Locking? Yeah? You got two three tight ends?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
And like what that?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Ain't that the job? Man? Send me deep? You know.
So I had to understand the concept of of having
to do all that, man. So it was the little
intangibles like that, man that I had to learn.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
I had to woke up.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I had to learn how to block, and I just
needed to learn more more a football because you know,
like I said, we had only played the one year
in high school and then set out my true freshman
year with the red shirt, and then I was on
scout team you know, the next year all year, but
I but I dominated and killed in the scout team

(45:16):
versus the ones and the twos and so man, you know,
running and catching was was was never a problem, you know,
it was it was everything else. It was learning the playbook,
you know, it was it was having to get up
at five o'clock in the morning, you know, in the
off season and work out. It was having to go

(45:38):
lift weights, you know, doing the semester, you know, go
get your weights in before you know you even go
to class.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
It was it was all of that stuff, man, that
that we were slow on, you know, and so that
was the hard hardest, most challenging part.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
But once once we.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Got all that stuff down and I bunked up a
little bit. Man, when we came out of that, Uh
that year when we had to sit out, man, we
was off to the races.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Man.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Them them early morning workouts used to be so busy.
East Carolina. I had a black tight end coach named
Willie Scott.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (46:17):
He played at South Carolina with George Rogers the first round,
picking the Patriots and went like number.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
Ten, right, Rodgers, that's my man, right, my man.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, Coach Scott's black man.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Coach Scott.

Speaker 8 (46:29):
Man, while we gotta wake up, you know, like we
got all day like we can get this thing in.
You know why we got to go before before class.
He said, Well, never want you niggas not to know
why you here.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You're not here.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
In the morning.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
You know why you here. You here to play football.
You ain't here to go to class. Man, that's real, man.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
And I mean, I mean, I know these days they push,
you know, athletics, you know, I mean they pushed at first,
you know, and then you're you know, you're student athlete.
Man ship Man, it ain't it ain't not in my world.
It ain't never been student athlete. The student part meant

(47:12):
you stay eligible.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
If we weren't, we ain't trying to exceed these expectations
and these scholars you stay eligible so you could be
on this field.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
And nowadays, man, you know, these kids they got it easy.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Man.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I know at Oklahoma State, Man, most of the athletes
don't even go into a classroom. All they class is online.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Online and it's just a different game.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
Like so now it's different, but they've never that's that
is the one thing I say was a huge difference
between p w I and HBCU is that when I
got to Howard, Steve Wilson was now, uh, he had
his hands full with me and old dog. But he
was about you know, he was about graduating kids. You

(48:03):
know what I'm saying. He was about you going to class.
He was and at the Peter. But it wasn't about
they made sure you go to class. But like you said,
it was just so that you were eligible. They ain't
really they didn't care about, you know, like what the
track was or which way you had it. It was
just like, hey, man, you gotta make sure you because

(48:24):
you know, we had a lot of jokers.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Man that I mean. I was like, man, how to
hear you? We got to take the SATD get here?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Man?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
How the he I mean there's a couple of jokers.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
They couldn't spell cat if you gave him the C
in the A. You know what I'm saying, that's real.
That's real man. He's like, Man, a lot of don't
do it high cool.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
A lot of them skate it out because they were
just great athletes. Have people taking the test.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
And then when they got and when they got to
EC they just had the tutors that did all the work.
And I was just like, you know, I just it's
probably because my mother black panther. But I just wasn't
gonna let no white girls do my work for me
because I was just like, I don't think you're smarter
than me.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
One.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know what I'm saying. I think I an already
trust I trust you. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
My mother planned to see to distrust for white people.
So you're probably gonna try to turn in something wrong,
you know what I'm saying. And the work that I did,
I did it myself. It was the work that I
turned in.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Hey plan to clarified that far man. You know at
Oklahoma State. Man, I had to go find some of
white friends man to help, you know, because I was lost. Man.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
You know I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I wasn't no dummy, you know, but I was lost.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
You know that education up there was way different from
Gramblin education. You feel me?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So, you know, Grandma is that's one of the lower tids.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
It was the Howard you know something universit.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Scholars at Howard.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Oh yeah, you you're right, because I remember that that
that that that your man was your man did he
went that?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Didn't he he did? Hey?

Speaker 8 (50:18):
Guess what we ain't gonna turn our back on it.
We have been in the remix at Howard. Take that
take that we admitted.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yo, I love heart.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
We amitted the remix up.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
He got removed. He gotta go to time out just
for like to like one minute or something. Man, oh man,
this interview was about to go left.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
You right, get rolling. Man.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
You came out and get started.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Man, I had to throw that that pool.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Man.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
He came up the gen man where everybody is somebody. Man,
I couldn't let him come at the g like that.
That's all I can think of. Man, my dad, Hey,
but that's that's facto.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Stay with the bottle of baby Bold too. I think
they give it to you and the kid package when
you first as a freshman freshman orientation.

Speaker 8 (51:27):
If I if I got a bottle, you know, Kobe, Kobe,
let that alternatively say you got a whole positive basement.
But you know, man, no disrespect the Grambler. Man, no
disrespect the Grambling. It's a good school. But the different
between Grambling and how it is. You know, at Howard University,
we graduate people to build planes, and at Grambling, y'all
graduate people to clean them.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
You know, it's the same thing, though you know the
same thing.

Speaker 6 (51:53):
Alright, you got it.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Man, I'm gonna leave HBCUs it all man, I got.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I'm just playing.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
You gotta get out there for a Howard home coming one.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Of these Now, you gotta get out there this year.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Oh oh, dog's been trying to pull me.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Man, I just listen.

Speaker 8 (52:12):
Man, Hey, look, hey, your time to wind it down.
You cannot take your first Howard home coming after fifty.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Man.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
You know what I'm saying. You got to get there
at least are your forties. You know what I'm saying,
You got a simblance of youth. If you take your
first homecoming at fifty, man, you might you know, I.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Got three years, you got three.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I got three years. That got three then, So we're
gonna plan that. Man, We're gonna show that's good.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yes, sir, let me ask you this, ask you when.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
You when did you start getting recognition for your playing receiver?
Cause you I mean looking at the stats and everything,
and I mean you were the best wide receiver on
the on the team. So when when did you know that? Hey,
you know, I'm really good. I just got this level
and there's a real real shot for me to go

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to the next level.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Well, we had some guys man, some dbs there that
was all Big twelve first teams, you know, and I
used the r w mcquarters uh is the name the
first round guy that went to the San Francisco forty
nine ers. We had another all Big twelve first team

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guy that got drafted in the third round to the
Texans named Kevin Williams, my brother. We had, we had
we had some other guys man that that could go. Man,
we had some great defensive backs, and so going up
against those guys every day in practice, I knew that

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if I can run by these guys and run every
round and a round tree, man, that I knew I
was gonna be successful when I when I got on
the field man and and got in the game.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
And so.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
My sophomore year I played a lot of special teams.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
I did get in on offense. But we were running
back a running team.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Man.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
We had some running backs.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
That were they were all Big twelve conference.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
And so we didn't throw the ball much.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
We had a two tight ends set with a full
back of running back and two wideouts.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Man, this was before you had the the.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Spread offenses and and all that stuff, man, And so
I knew my opportunities were gonna be uh limited, and
I knew that I had to make the most of
my opportunities.

Speaker 6 (54:52):
And so my my sophomore year, I didn't I didn't
get a lot of looks.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
We didn't throw the ball. But but my junior year
is when I really start coming out. I actually led
the Big twelve in yards.

Speaker 6 (55:06):
Per catch at thirty one point nine.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
A pot man every every time.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Man, I'm catching it, man, I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I'm going deep, I'm scoring touchdowns. Man, I'm moving the chains.
And so that's when I really started to come out, man,
my junior year and making play.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Yeah, go ahead, jump in that coach.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
No, man, I'm just listening.

Speaker 7 (55:32):
Like I said, Man, I was always going to ask,
you know, because you guys the os U team, you know,
and you covered it. It's like that that that was
a woman. Thurman Thomas was there. Uh what was it Thurman?
That was went to os U.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, Thurman and the great Barry Sanders.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Just so running.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
That was the call. That was. Yeah, we were we
were detailed back you Yes, yes they really started that.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
But they were before me, before you.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
We were but they were like mid to late eighties,
and so still from that time frame, from the early nineties,
you know, through the mid nineties. You know, when I
got there in ninety six, you know, they were still
run run, run, and the Big Twelve was run, run, run.

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It was the Big Eight, you know, it was right,
it was the Big Eight that converted into the Big twelve.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
But it was run, run, run.

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Oh you was running the option.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Nebraska was running the option, you know. So it was
just a run league, and so it was it was
hard to break, you know as a wide receiver, but
you knew that when you get the opportunity you had,
you just had to make the best of it.

Speaker 7 (56:51):
And where you playing special teams and receivers still in
your junior or just went straight receiver special teams.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
And fever Still in my junior year, I was running
out on you know, running down on Pint as a gunner,
you know, because I knew that that was still helped
my opportunity to the next level was playing special teams.
So I was never one of those guys that thought
I was too good or good enough to play special teams. Man,

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it was like, hey, let's get it. And if that
helped the team win, let's get it.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
So, so I noticed like from from ninety eight to
ninety nine, like your your opportunities is to catch the
ball really increase. Did you guys make a transition from
from running the ball to be more of a passing team?
Because I because I noticed the ninety eight you guys
had a thousand yard back with Simmons and then a

(57:52):
four hundred yard back with fives, and then the quarterback
ran for six hundred yards. But that next year seen
like your opportunities to really get out there and catch
the ball and do some things really increased. So was
that because it looked like you had another quarterback that
was taking most of the snaps. And did you guys

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go from a running team to more of a past
happy team.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
So my junior year, our quarterback Tony Lindsey, he was
a true freshman and he came in as a you know,
he was a dual threat, but he was stronger with
his legs and running than he was passing, and so
he didn't have a very strong arm, but he was elusive.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
And then my senior year he.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Got hurt and so we had to bring the backup
in and the backup was just the opposite. He had
more of a stronger arm than being elusive. So that
gave me a lot more opportunities. And then we opened
it up a little bit too. We got a new
offensive coordinator and and I was able to you know,
catch a lot of more balls, even though every game

(59:05):
I was getting double in triple team. You know, I
think I ended up with thirty five thirty six catches
or something like that. So it wasn't any you know,
crazy number. But back then in our offense and with
the defense that I saw, I was still able to
uh make honor ber mention All Big twelve that year

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because I made the most of my opportunity.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
Yeah, yeah, what'd you got, pool?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
You You was before Justin black Man, right, Yeah, I
was before Justin black When did he tell me he
wasn't a he wasn't a young buck on your team.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Or no, No, Justin Kane about seven eight years after me.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
I thought he was like early two thousands he was.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
He was like more of the mid the late uh
two thousand, I thought he was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I thought he was before that man thought we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Had another All American and a kid that was that
was a freshman when I was coming out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
His name was was Shawn Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
And that's what I'm thinking about. That's what I'm thinking about.
He wound up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
He was.

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
He he got a lot of rocks like his and
he was the beginning of that Oklahoma state receivers that
were doing them honey in something yard catches a year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
That's what I'm thinking about. Yeah, he was, he was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
He was like the second So to me backtrack, they
had a guy named Hartley Dikes if you guys ever
remember that name. He played with Barry and Thurman. He was,
he was the first team All American. Uh got drafted
to the New England Patriots first round, and then I

(01:00:55):
got drafted, was the next receiver to get drafted after him,
which was like a whole decade later. And then with
Sean Woods a few years after me, and then you
had the Dead's Brian and uh Justin Blackman's after that,
We've had We've had some dudes that wide receiver.

Speaker 7 (01:01:15):
Yeah, so when did you when did you realize you
had it was it was a real opportunity for you
to go to the next level.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Like when did that kind of set it and how
did that all come about?

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
You know, as as the scouts start coming in, you know,
for for practices, and you know, they would pull me
and my brother to the side and and and tell us,
you know, great things, you know that we had a
lot of skill and and had the the shape you know,
to to make it to the next level. And then

(01:01:48):
my junior year, on our pro day, we both went
four three four and that's when the the spark just
oooh these boys and ran four three folk. And the
crazy thing about it was, you know, you know, we're twins.
We ran it separate. So I went first and ran

(01:02:09):
it four three folk, and then he came right behind
me and ran four three folk and the scouts, and
the scouts just went crazy. They was trying to get
us to come out. Then after our junior year.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
After we ran, after we ran those times, because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
You know, back in the day, you know, you just
didn't you just didn't see that a lot. Yeah crazy,
And so that's what that's what really opened opened up
the floodgates, like you know, the eyes really started coming
on the hiuse twins because they were legit for three guys.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
H that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
So so as you finishing up your your senior year,
and I know, agents started reaching out to you. But
what were they telling you, like in terms of teams
that was in instead and your draft position, and how
was you prepared for that for that next step, that
next phase of your of your athletic career.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Well, my brother was actually getting more love than I was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
He was.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
Ranked as top fifteen dB in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
He got invited to the Combine, he got invited to
the remember the Blue Gray Game.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
You know, if you got invited to the Blue Gray Game,
you was going to the league pretty much a lot.
And so he was getting more love than I was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
I wasn't even invited to the combine, and so you know,
but I was still getting a lot of love. Even
though I wasn't invited to the Combine. I knew that
I was going to have an opportunity to to go
do my thing, perform well.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Ons and on my pro DA.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
And eventually get drafted.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
So so you so you ended up getting drafted by
the home team, Washington Command as well. Back then Redskins.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
Did you know that? Did you know beforehand that they
gonna draft you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I had never talked to the red Skins, uh, pre draft,
I had never talked to him I had no clue,
no idea. I thought I was going to the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
So Buffalo flew me out first time ever, flying first class.
They flew me out there, you know, showed me the
red carpet treatment. But I'm coming from Oklahoma at the time,
and at the time it was hot, and so you know,
somebody had told me, Man, you know it's cold Buffalo. Man,

(01:05:00):
so uh, you know, just bring a jacket. You know,
we talked this. This is April, may you know. Man,
I stepped out. I stepped off the plane and it
was three feet of snow and freezing and I had
on like a little windbreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
I couldn't believe it. And so they picked me up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Man, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm freezing. And they take
me to the facility.

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
They walk me around. Man, I'm shivering everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
I was just uncomfort so much to the point that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
When the coach, the head coach asked me, but I
told you, do you want to come and play here?
You think you can be here?

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
Man, my praise ass tell this man, and I think
it's a little bit too cold for me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Uphill me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
But you know, if y'all draft me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
You know, you know how I come.

Speaker 6 (01:05:55):
I you know, I have no choice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
But you know, looking back, man, and when I talk
to my agent, that was the that was the most
terrible thing to say. They had a third round pick, man,
and they told me that we leave a receiver in
the third round. But after you know that experience up there, Man,
I told them people, Man, I was too you know,

(01:06:18):
I was cold, man, and I shit. Man. They cut
me right off the list.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Man, let me home, sent me home the next day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
They ended up taking a live receiver from uh Ron,
a guy named Ryan Dixon from a small college Tennessee
State or somewhere Ron went to. They ended up taking him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Man, and we were the same size, height and everything.
That's the true story.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
And so.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Getting back to Washington on draft day, now, I had
never heard like so down here, down South, the Cowboys
were the only and the Saints were the only teams
that were coming on to It was more Cowboys than Saints.
I was only a Saints fan because my dad had
played for the Saints, but I was really, you know, loving.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
The Cowboys, and so I would see the Redskins and Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Game on TV all the time, and I'm like, dang,
this is intense, you know. And so when I got
that call man from the Washington Redskins. Look, I'm still green, man,
I ain't knowing. I'm thinking that Washington Redskins is in
the state of Washington. So Dan Snyder on the phone like, hey, Ethan,

(01:07:35):
you ready, You're ready to come to Washington. I say, yeah, Coach.
You know, I've heard a lot of good things about Seattle. Man,
I had no idea that you know that Washington d
C was Washington Redskins. I'm thinking this the state of Washington,

(01:07:57):
and so you know, dance to tell me now, man,
this is Washington d C. The Dishes, the nation's capital.
I was like, okay, for real.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
I was like, oh, all right, Coach like he let's go,
you know, let's get it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
So they put me, put me on with Noth Turner,
who was the head coach at the time, and then
my receiver coach was Terry Rubisky, and so, man, it
was just a dream come true. Man, even though it
was seventh round. It was just a dream come true. Man,
to see your name they're on the board on TV. Man.

(01:08:36):
But it was bittersweet because I'm over here. My brother
had dropped out of the draft and had to go
free agency, and so that was a very disappointing. So
I'm over here, you know, trying to celebrate me at
the same time, but you know, also at the same time,
you know, trying to be there to encourage him that

(01:08:58):
even though you didn't get drafted, you know, you know,
you know, somebody gonna pick you up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
But man, you know it was.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
It was a great time, man, great day. Yeah, was
your poom me in camp together?

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Now Poom poom came a year before me or after me, poom. No,
I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
I was there. I came.

Speaker 8 (01:09:20):
I didn't sign right after the draft. I signed late.
So I was there in camp, you know what I'm saying.
So I was there when North was there. And uh
so it was North Russ Grim was the coach, me
and David Terrell. David Terrell was my uh was my roommate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
See yeah, see I remember Dave. I didn't remember you
at the time. I remember after but all the time,
because you know we used.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
To have to go against each other.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, y'all go to But yeah, Day was my roommate.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:09:51):
I came in me and actually so I signed Me
and Chris Samuels arrived the same day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Chris came in like a day or two late to camp.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yes, Chris used to ride with me every day to practice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Boom, Yeah, I rode with I used to ride with.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Line went to Maryland.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Uh uh uh got drafted with Meal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Dale said, yeah, me and Sid you riding poem was there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
It was quiet or something.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
Man, listen, man, I was. I was gonna ask you.
I said, Man, do you remember the day in practice
Jeff George he threw wild side out? I don't know,
I don't know who he threw the wild side out
to right. You throw the wire side out and north
turn and stopped him. Was like, God, Jesus Christ, Jeff,
you've been in the league fifty You can't you know,

(01:10:43):
you can't make that bro like and I think about
it that like Lloyd Harrison or Tam somebody smacked the
ball down right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
You know, we went back to the huddle. Jeff caught
the same play.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
You know, they bron again and he threw the same thing,
but this time he wins that bitch right by devil
gray head.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
I think Ac might have caught it right. George turned
around and told dorm Turner, man, don't you ever fucking
question about arm again?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Like yeah, team, And I was like, man, this was
the NFL, like like you talking to the coach like that,
like Jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
George mad Johnson man them was there was two ogs.
But boom telling man, smack. If you saw Jeff George
walk in any cann of convenience store, brochery store, man,
you would.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Not even think he was a mechanic or something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
You're absolutely right, but I'm talking about but.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
I think he got the most talent I've ever seen.
With my two eyes attached to his shoulder, his arm,
he could make I mean, every throw unbelievably, you know
what I'm saying, Like, look, he's the test case for
me to say, if you ain't got to hear, don't
matter your talent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
And Jeff was just he.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
Was as talented as they come, you know what I'm saying.
As the quarterback doing.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
The ball, Jeff could sling it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Man. I'll never forget that. The first day and one
on ones man, because I was I was known as
a as a flat nine guy, run will go deep
and sure enough, man, they wanted to see okay, how
I'll really run, you know by somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
So on the on the first first route.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Of the day, when we went one on one and
Jeff got up there, it was me and Jeff. Everybody
knew the dB knew I was going deep and he
was about fifteen yard DP. Hey man, Jeff threw that
ball as far as he could man, and I caught
it and went got it and caught it man, and

(01:12:56):
I knew then I said, okay, yeah, I think this
league is about me. But but Jeff, Jeff was Man.
I'm talking about like sending the yards in the air man.

Speaker 8 (01:13:07):
Yeah, and he can and everything like he and another day,
like you see quarterbacks throw the ball like sometimes I
have like a wild lead, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
It's not a type.

Speaker 8 (01:13:17):
Him always to a pretty ball, Like every every pass
was a pretty ass ball. I mean, he's gonna get
it where you need to get it. He just was
a complete asshole, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
He could spend it, man. You know, but man, that
that that's squat and see pool. You know I was.
I was their mini camp and then I tore my
hamstring and mini camp and then when we got to
training camp. I only practiced for the first three days

(01:13:52):
and then tore my hamstring again and I was out
the rest of camp. So that's why we didn't have
much in the rand. I was in the damn train yeah.
And then and then when I when I tore my hamstring,
they sent me home for the rest of the training

(01:14:14):
camp before they brought me back and put me on
the hour. It was it was crazy, man, But I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Was, I was, I was, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I was gonna make that team because at the time
I was running with the tools, uh me and and
James Thrash was was going back and forth running with
the tools behind Michael Westbrook and then you had a
c on the other side and Irving fire and uh

(01:14:43):
and my boy nine you remember you remember nine?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Uh poem Darius Thompson, Yeah, Darrin Thompson.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:54):
So, Ethan, was that your first major injury, because it's
the first time I he you speak of any injury.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Was that your first major injury in training camp?

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
In training camp, man, And and I tore it when
I tore it, when I tore it in many camp.
I tore it doing specialty, you know. And then because
and pool was saying earlier, everything was so quick. You know,
you ain't got time to you know, to take your

(01:15:24):
time here. And now you know what I'm saying, Man,
they blow that whistle. Man, them them drills, man, and
and and and and and each one of them and
them individuals was was quick.

Speaker 6 (01:15:34):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
That don't give you time to really warm up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Good man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
And I I tore my hams train the first time
man on special teams man running out down on gunner man,
and I was out the rest the rest of of
like another mon or two before we started training camp.

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
And thought that I was ready.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
And then and then man like third fourth day, man
uh in one on one matter of fact, whom I
tore my hamstring and running a twenty yard dig on
David Terrell.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I caught that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
I caught that motherfucker over.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
But when I turn it and run.

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
Yeah, yeah, man, that was that was all I know.
I just remember easy to be so hot when when
Snyder would coming and landing this helicopter. You know what
I'm saying, You get that little breeze, we be stretching it.
You get that little breeze, you like, oh man, they're
gonna sit there getting a little white level long chairs
on the side, you know what I'm saying, looking at
us like we like we was they had a real

(01:16:39):
plantation field to that, man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I'm telling you how to rip. Hey, look a here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
I been.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
What day we leaving? We leaving the field?

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
Right, Me and Chris were walking together and we walking
behind you know, it was snotting and you know somebody
else he on the phone. He just get to the door,
he like about six feet front of me and Chris, right,
and he just stopped and turned around.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
And Me and Chris looked at each other and I'm like, shit,
Chris just got thirty six million.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Hey, let me get that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Do it for you, missus Stott.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
I'm making this team, man, Chris got thirty five million.
Man that man, Hey, I ain't lying. He just stopped, Kobe.
He stopped at the door and turned around, looked like, man,
which one of which one of my niggas go open
this door for me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
You know what I'm saying. And I was like, shit,
he he ain't got that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
I got your boss.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I got your boss, man. Him and LeVar got paid man.

Speaker 8 (01:17:39):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
And I think that I I think I got caught
up in you know, being a draft pick thinking that,
you know, and I'm hanging out with these guys.

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
You know, these guys went number two and three in
the draft, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
And and man, I'm in DC. You know, I was
going to you know, all my training sessions, but I
wasn't getting my rest, you know, in the evening and at.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
Night, man, like like I was supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Man because Chocolate City, Oh that was a time back then,
that was the time and the church.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Of the district. Many great athletes came out here and
did not make it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
And as they said, everything A'm for everybody.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
Listen, Man, DC was hitting its stride in that year
two thousand, were really just hitting out like that was
the beginning of like a fifteen year run whe DC
was one of the best party cities in the in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
The in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Yes, DC started well what they say they we started
the superclub the superclubs.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Man with them board task and oh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Man, the boys. Man was throwing MAGA parties at real
well man. And yeah, and I'm falling in there with
with with the bar and Chris Sandels. Oh man, I
ain't have to pay nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
Now you need to see your your mistake was you
should have been rolling with Poom the man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
He the man in the city.

Speaker 8 (01:19:18):
I don't give it, Dren how much they got on
the contract. Poom was the man of city.

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
I don't give it themn where he goes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
And we moved in in the same in the same places, babe.

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
That's why I will say this man that was during
that time, it ain't matter who you was, you was
gonna be in the same place.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
I was the same v I p rooms and you might.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
But the only thing is I might come in with
about seven eight more people and everybody come like, yo,
let's let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
That's how we roll.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
That was home for you. So I'm already knowing it
was on a whole other level. That's what I mean.
Poom then then hang out because because Poom was was
was was way over there doing his thing. He had
to keep to the city. Man was moving like that
as a teenager.

Speaker 8 (01:20:03):
Hey listen, man, that's one of the things I ain't
like about uh me, And I ain't never like really
like Minnie Sado.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
You know mel bradn Is who brought me in, right.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
That was I remember when they cut me and I'm
getting you know I'm getting ready mel Brod Like, Mamber,
what you're doing? I said, Man, let me man, his
mother took me to Vinnie office. He cuts the Vinnie out.
You know, this is that cut day eating man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
That shit hurt Pard.

Speaker 8 (01:20:29):
You know what I'm saying, Like, you don't want to
you don't want to be like I'm glad man standing
up for me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
But at the same time, I'm like, man, you you
have me out here about the you know, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
That was our twenty filar anniversary this year.

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Man, this is twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
That was we was class for two.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Thousand, two thousand, and I'm still hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Hey, listen who you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:55):
Telling Hey, listen, that's what That's what made me finally.
I never was no real big Tom Brady fan, right,
but maybe the last year or two in the league,
I just had to sit down. I say, Man, Tom
Brady class in two thousand and I was sitting in
the cigar bat one day, man, with my feet hurting
at my knees and like struggling to get about the chair.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
And I'm like, and this.

Speaker 8 (01:21:17):
Nigga's playing a football game tonight, right, playing a football
game tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Be forty two years old man, I got nothing of
love for this dude now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
And then twin twin, I tell you all. He didn't
get drafted, but he went to New England as a
free agent, so him and Tom came in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
There to get together rookies together.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Man, that's a great you know what I'm times was great.

Speaker 8 (01:21:45):
But man, when I say you mel had me in
Anny office, Man, it took everything give me man not
to be like, man, why are you telling me? I
wanted no vines Arouno fan after that? But then you
know I did, although they paid me for three extra weeks,
you know what I'm saying. I just kept getting.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Checks until.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Uh and I was like, man, why I keep getting this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
I'm like, I get it. I'm gonna spend it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
In fact, and see poom.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
How they smoothed me over was they told me they
was gonna bring me back. You know, they just told
me that, hey, we're gonna we're gonna send your home
for a few weeks, set you up, you know, with
your with your physical therapy, you know, get right, and
then we're gonna bring you back, you know at the
end of the training camp and you know, throw you

(01:22:36):
on the practice squad.

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
So that's why you know, I was I was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Kind of chilling. I wasn't really like oh, because they
had told me that, you know what I'm saying, but
then didn't bring me back when they when they told
me they was, they didn't end up bringing me back.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
To the end of the season, and then they sent
me to NFL Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
So it was a whole man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
You know, I knew then that it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Was it was a cut lead you know, cutthroat lead man,
and that you.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
Couldn't believe everything that you that you heard, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Yeah, And before we move on to something else, we
we had so many stories about Dan you Snyder and
the Washington organization, all negative things. But what was your experience, like,
what was your what's your opinion of that organization and
Daniel Snyder when he was there?

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Well, like Poom said, Man, I spent most of my time, man,
when I when I had to go upstairs, Man, I
spent most of my time with with with with Bratton,
Man with Mao b.

Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
Who was the he was the director of player personnel
at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
I didn't I didn't really trust them, the coaches a lot.
I mean, I trusted coach with Bisky, But I didn't
really mix and mingle with a lot of the other
coaches and some of the higher ups because y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
Know that when you heard.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
That ain't talking to you a lot. Yeah, you know,
it was all you know, cool, you know, depths and
all that. You know, when I was, you know, scoring,
going deep with.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
Jeff's and ill you know, but when I told that hamstring,
I was in that training room.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Now that was smiles turning in the frowns, and you
know they you know, they wasn't they wasn't showing me love.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
And you know what I'm saying, It wasn't wasn't looking
at you the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Same because they were just like, oh, you know whatever, man,
he ain't doing nothing for us, you know what I'm saying.
He and the cold tub. And so I had to
learn how to deal with that man. And that was
that was that was mentally, you know, very very challenging
and and and frustrating. And so I just I just remember, man,
my days there and in practice, you know, I remember

(01:24:51):
that the helicopter and Dan Snyder getting out in the
suits and but but my, my, my, my biggest flex
was when prim time beyond Sanders walked in the building.
You know, that's when we had signed him for that year.
And then I'll never forget Man when he walked in.
When he walked in the locker room, Man.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
I just I just I just froze up. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
My eyes got big, and I'm like Man. And at
the time, it seemed like everybody else was was was
out of practice or something, you know. And and he
was just coming in and was trying to get ready
and I, you know, was coming out of the getting
my my therapy and ice in Miami. So I caught
him when it was just a me, me and him.
So I said, I cool, I ain't got all these

(01:25:38):
niggas in hell. You know what I'm saying, all these
players in here, that that's gonna be looking if I
approach him and go up to him and you know,
spike him.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
And shake his hand, and you know, it's just me
and Prime Man. And there was just me and him, Man,
and I was able to go up to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Him, Man and say, hey, Prime Man, it's just a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
It's just a blessing and a privilege, Man, to see
you as my idol here man in the same locker
room with me. Man, and I just wanted, man, just
you know, pay and just give you a big pound man.
And he and he hugged me man and told me, Man,
it's nice to meet you, young blood. And you know
what I'm saying, get yourself healthy, man and all that,

(01:26:16):
and we was able to talk for a few minutes. Man.
But just watching him out on the practice field every day, Man,
just his whole swag.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
And that's when they just had started allowing the fans
to come to the practices.

Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
And Man, I was just watch.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Prime and how he moved every day, man, and how
he dressed man, and and and watching my man Champ,
you know, go to work and you know, end up
being one of the all time greatest. Man. I never
got to go against Champ in practice. But that wasn't
that wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:26:54):
Well, that was by design because I ain't want to
see Champ.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
At the time. Hey, I used to be like, hey, man,
let me get one of these other guys. Man, I
got I gotta get right first man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Chair was a bad boy. I always got this one
thing about them. Man.

Speaker 8 (01:27:09):
Remember we had we had Rookie Camp, right, and so
Dion came in and Rooky Camp. It was, you know,
all the rookies and we had like Jeff George, all
of the quarterbacks was there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
And some but not like not the Dion Dale Green.
They wasn't. They ain't come in doing rookie camp.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
But we're practicing, and the whole practice, Dion was over
on the turf field, man running one teens like he
getting it, like getting it, he getting it and he
you know, taking you know, a little break. But I
just remember that whole time, like I'm just watching them,
you know, I'm kind of like distracted from practice because

(01:27:47):
I'm watching them, like, man, this nigga is and like
I was, and he's still running these one teams like
and it was just like you know what, I'm like,
I'm coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
College, you know, we just run sixteen one tens.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
I'm like, man, sixteen one tens take you like twenty minutes,
you know what I'm saying, because we got like nineteen seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
To make it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:09):
And I'm like been over there running but like I
was like, you got to be at about thirty five
or forty by now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
He ran the whole time, Like even after we broke,
he was still over there just.

Speaker 8 (01:28:21):
Running one tens and I was like, man, and it
was just then he after he finished, he was on
ball drills and just doing I was like, man, that's
it was just unbelievable. Man, now, and then I just said,
you know that makes sense, Like it makes sense, you know.
And I had my test have a conversation with him,
was you know later on and I was like, you know,
I was like, man, you know that was it was impressive.

(01:28:42):
And then I was like, look, man, anytime somebody throw
the ball at me. He got seventy thousand people in
the stadium and millions in the home expected me to
get an interception and take it to the house every
single time. He was like, and if I give up
a catch or two or three, I done, got my

(01:29:03):
ass bussed. I got to work this hard. I gotta
work this hard just to be the huh, I said.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Many he worked, man and Champ worked.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
And I can't forget about the legendary Dale Green.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Green Green took me, you know, kind of took me
out of his wing and you know, showed me the
ropes and helped me out too. Made shout out to
d Green. I seen him. I seen him a few
months back to the super Bowl here in New Orleans.
Man at the LP a party pome and and and got.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
A chance to chop it up with him, took a
picture with him and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Man, he remember me? Man, So that.

Speaker 7 (01:29:38):
Hey, Daryl Green was just here two weeks ago running
the broad Run High School, still training.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:29:45):
He looked great, he knew and I seen him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
He was thirty nine, forty years old at the time,
and I seen him with my own eyes runner Fox
two nine.

Speaker 8 (01:29:55):
I saw him beat well. He raced camp and was
maybe and he beat everybody. He was still the fancy
person on the team. Man at forty years old. Man,
which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
That's the fact that's credit work, still working.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yeah, So so when when did you know that you
were ready to hang up the cleats and and start
the next.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Chapter of You're like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Man, So you know the following year went to the NFL.
You're played for Amsterdam. Man hurt my hamstrain again.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
Man, Hey, shout out to Amsterdam. Great sir, Yes, sir, yes, sir.
Look Man tore my hamstrain.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Again, Man, And then I knew then I'm like, Man,
I can't I can't continue to go this route. Man,
I'm I'm I'm getting injured. Then my girlfriend at the
time called me doing ding during that season in training
camp getting ready to go over there. She called me

(01:31:07):
and told me she was pregnant with my son and
so and all of that going on. I'm hurt, and
I just got to the point where I'm like, man,
I I gotta I gotta start thinking about life after football, man.
And so of course, when I got hurt, I got
cut again, and then that was just I said to myself, Man,

(01:31:29):
that was gonna be the last time, man, you know,
And I knew that I had to go in and
get right, man, and use that degree, man, and start working.
So I started coaching and UH at a high school.
I moved out to Arizona to Phoenix, and UH started coaching,
man and teaching.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I knew I wanted to coach after after football and
give back and still be around the sport. And so
that's what I did.

Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
That's what's up. And the hamstream injuries ain't no joke.
That's a pretty much end of my career. I had
a partially touring hamstring, but I had a torn towing
a dominant muscle at the same damn time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Damn.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Yeah, And the only reason why I played on the hamstring.
It was partially touring. The doctor said, bro, you need
to shut it down. But I was in Argentina at
the time.

Speaker 8 (01:32:23):
He was in Argentina, he went to a puff daddy
and freak off. In Buenos I red his hamstring.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Used it too.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Many of them, the hamstring and the buttocks muscles.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
Man, oh man five right now, I ain't run zero
to six fifteen yards of both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Hey, you don't you know what you call me? Baby?

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Left?

Speaker 6 (01:33:02):
Hey? Hey, I fucked my halstream girl because I slipped
on pomies baby or left floor. Heiny that thank all
to do it to you? Man, got slipping dog? Yah,

(01:33:23):
boy's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
Man, you televiewers and listens what you're doing now, Man,
because I know you got an awesome company with an
awesome product.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
Man, let our people know what you're doing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
So name of my company is Mixed Man m I
T t Z.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
I started this company Man about four years ago. Man
I created and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Designed a football training glove for offensive linemen and defensive backs.
So it's a training glove that helps prevent you from
grabbing and holding and getting those holding the past interference calls.
I got a couple of pair with me right now.

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Georgia got him, USC got him, and send them things
out to South Bend. Oh again textas ay and them
just this is just the name a few. So it
got my logo at the bottom, and I put the
logo of each school.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
So I do, man, just try.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
All I do is travel around the country, man, and
present my product to all colleges and high schools. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
And what is it about?

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
What is it about the gloves that prevents you from holding?

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
I'm the take one out the pack real quick.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
I know, I know, oh I know. If O was
on he was, he would definitely speak on it.

Speaker 7 (01:34:52):
Because every time we used to do training, man, he
be on, okay, stop holding get so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Safe like a mick.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
That's that's why it's called mix.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
You slide your.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Hand in them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
It's like this. You can't grab and hold because you
don't have your fingers to grab and hold. I thought
of it, man, It just it just came to me
one night in a dream, bro and I sat on
it for a.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
While, sat on it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
I sat on it for like a year, man, and
and then finally.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
I just said, man, let me, let me, let me
press go on this thing man, and try to get
big tell what's up?

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Big Dog?

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
I'm his nigga screaming and his lungs trying to figure
out why he's screaming.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Young big.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
See, I see Danny and Russell Simmons over there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Whoa run on? I'm tream.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
That's mean, you know through Russell Simmons in that trunk.

Speaker 8 (01:36:17):
Nobody up there, do my yellow? You know we're not
lying about Kobe. Just everybody come there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Everybody told us there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
I'm like, Lord, have mercy, Drake the Boogie Knights.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Drake the Boogie Knights, mister Gatorade himself.

Speaker 6 (01:36:39):
Hold up, we got the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
Yeah, let's stay focused, man, Let's stay focus. Man out
there making statements like little Woody.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
That's crazy, Hey, Poel, we.

Speaker 6 (01:37:03):
Got to talk about that, man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
We gotta talk about that later.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Man, Hey man, no question.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Hey, hey, you do do you take like, uh, do you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
Like keep stats or data in terms of like the
schools you send themiss too and kind of track like
let's say, in twenty twenty four, they they had this
amount of holding penalties and then twenty twenty five and
decreased after they got missed.

Speaker 6 (01:37:29):
You you keep that type of data, man, I did.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
I did a lot of that in my first in
my first year called to be to be honest, I
was keeping up with the schools and and finding out
who were the most schools that was getting the most penalties.
I even did it in the NFL. Last year was
the Houston Texans. Uh. But as I you know, as

(01:37:56):
I started to the business started to build and I
didn't have to do so much work on that end.
You know, it just it just turned into you know,
because because now I get calls out of the blue,
I don't have to go to some of these schools
and present or you know, a do zoom calls. They

(01:38:18):
know I'm at Ohio State. You know that's the national champion.
So these schools they want to know what these other
teams that's the cream of the of the crop. You
know that that's that's what they're doing. That's what we
need to do. So I get a lot of love
and businessman just off a word of mouth and find
out Ohio State is using them. They find out that

(01:38:41):
Clemson is using them, They find out that Colorado is
using them, and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Then now here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
You know what I'm saying, We were off to the races.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
So you know, my my biggest challenge is is keeping
the product here because my manufacturer is overseas in China.
It's not getting made here. So now I gotta deal
with all this politics stuff, with these terrors and.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
All that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
That's that's my biggest challenge right now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Like if I had.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Them where to where I could get them here in
the States and my business would would really be booming.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
But I gotta deal with with that, you know what
I'm saying. And I'm a one man game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
I'm trying to keep everybody else out of the midst
you know, business, and so I could you know, continue
to profit in and ride. But eventually my goal is
to partner with one of these bigger brands and you know,
Nike or under Arm or Adidas or someone you know,

(01:39:45):
to just partner with me and you know, you can
add your logo or you know, even dismiss my my
logo if you like, if the money right, and we
go from there. Because I'm I'm in all these big schools,
I mean seven SEC schools I got. I'm at the LSU,
I'm at the Florida you know, uh, the A and

(01:40:08):
m uh you know, I'm I'm at a lot of
these schools. Uh. But you know, like I said, my
problem is, you know, getting the product here and keeping
it here to where I'm able to just disperse it
out whenever needed.

Speaker 9 (01:40:23):
So with the coaches or the equipment managers both well,
a lot of times if I get a call from
the coach, then they have to transfer me over to
the equipment the director.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Of the equipment and images and the managers the director
of the equipment equipment guys, they're not going to order
unless the coaches give them, you know, the approval. And
then sometimes if the equipment guys see them, they have

(01:40:58):
to go to the coaches and make sure that the
coaches want the product. So they both work together. But
I eventually worked, you know, end up working with both
of them.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
Let's do man, Yeah us us.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
So look, before we get out of here, we got
a segment of the show called Rapid Fire. So Poom
and coach Milton, I hope you got some questions ready
for eve so E Basically, we're gonna ask you some
questions and and you gotta answer them as quick as possible.
We're gonna try to make the questions tell you know,
where where you don't really want to make a make

(01:41:37):
a decision or make a choice. But you know, I
think you'll breathe through it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
So when I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
Yeah, let's get it, let's get it cracking. So I'll
warm you up with an easy one. So this question
is you're gonna start bench your cut? You got Michael
Jordan's Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, who you garden?

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Who you mentioned? Who you cut?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
I'm starting Jordan, I'm benching Kobe, and I'm cutting Lebrown.
God damn man, whatever did this to class with that

(01:42:29):
one man?

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
That's the first time.

Speaker 6 (01:42:32):
Well, you know, you know I came up in the
m J era.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Yeah you know. So you know MJ.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
You know you J don't care eat or not m J.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
M J is the goat. Now you you asked me
my personal opinion. I'm not saying whether it's.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
But you know I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
I'm not, you know, like your personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:57):
MJ gotta be the goat man.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
And then Kobe, Kobe is just my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Yeah, I mean I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I got it, I got the I got.

Speaker 6 (01:43:08):
The marble taddy right there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
You heard me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
So I'm a Kobe.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Yeah, so that that leaves that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:17):
Leaves Lebron, Yeah, Lakers in five.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Look, I'm a Laker fan. Look, the Lakers is my squad.
That's my all time favorite squad. Yeah, that was That
was a hard question, but it was easy, right right.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
And you know it's crazy people people be thinking I'd
be hating on Jordan's but I was the biggest Jordan
fan of all time up until I don't know, sometimes
something in the early two thousands when I started to
You know, once you get to playing basketball, you get
to know basketball, you see stuff a different way.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
You know, your opinions changed.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
But you know, I used to live in Girl, Indiana,
which is right outside of Chicago. So my first basketball
game I ever went to was Jordan's rookie year versus
Doctor j.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
My father took me to it. I had Jordan posters
on one side of the wall, Michael Jackson posters on
the other side of the wall. And I'm damn and
my birthday is the same day as Jordan's birthday. So
I was just Jordan fanatic, you know what I'm saying. So,
you know, it takes a life for me to say
I think somebody else is to go over Jordan, I'm not. Hey,

(01:44:31):
I just changed my opinion over Hey Hey he a
go he ag Yeah, Bron is AG. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:44:40):
You know you know what you know what, that's called COVID,
that's called you know, maguration. Everybody else they just stuck
in cognitive business.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Man. You know what I'm saying. They refused to you
know what I'm saying, to move on.

Speaker 8 (01:44:51):
It's okay, man, But you know, lifelike, everything moves on, man,
It all evolves, man.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
You know, I mean, I mean we can get into
another conversation on that the time. I do think that Lebron,
with his longevity, you know, and what he's done, I
think that he is the all time greatest basketball player
of all time. But Jordan and Kobe are my number

(01:45:17):
one and number two most favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Yeah, respect that's friend.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
Yeah, y'all what y'all? Gat y'all got a rapid five
question for I got one for you.

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
If you have the if you had to build a receiver,
whose physique, whose hands, whose speed, and whose route running
would you put together to build your ultimate receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
And then part two with dB could cover.

Speaker 7 (01:45:45):
What dB could cover once you once you put your
ultimate receiver together? Which dB would you put on the
field to try to cover?

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:45:55):
Well, I can answer that one off time off the top.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
It's gonna be prime, godless, no matter, no matter who
I build, it's gonna be prime.

Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
So so put together your put together your ultimate receiver.
Who's who's masque would you have?

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Calvin Johnson for zeke Hands.
I'm gonna take Jerry Rice, And I'm gonna take Tyreek
Hill Speed and and I and I got to I
got to throw I got to throw t O in

(01:46:31):
there some sort of way.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
Okay, So route running will be t o you put
what your route running.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Or just just I just gotta I gotta squeeze him
in there.

Speaker 6 (01:46:44):
I just gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Squeeze him in there somewhere. But he wouldn't he wouldn't
be my my route. My route runner would be Jerry too, gotcha?

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Yeah, I ain't mad at that.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
We got a uh all the time you're building a
h on our loving personnel, Oklahoma State. Who you got
who you got running the x?

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
Justin Blackmo?

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Who are putting a disease? Jaz Bryant and who getting
that last, that last spot at the eighth.

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
I gotta put myself in there, man, because I mean, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Dead ass. I'm dead ass because I could you know,
I could do a lot in the slot, or I
could work outside. I only dropped one past my whole
career at Oklahoma State. I'm just saying, man, I didn't
have the opportunities in the and the spread offense with

(01:47:57):
three or four wide receivers. I didn't have a all
big twelve quarterback. I didn't have office coordinator that's throwing
at fifty sixty times a game. The most that we
ever threw the ball was twenty five times in my day.
That's all I'm saying. I ain't man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Yes, yes, I'm taking myself too on any team.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
And I ran full three folk and I had a
forty inch vertical.

Speaker 8 (01:48:25):
Hey listen, I'm okay because I'm taking myself on any team,
any team I've ever played on. You asked me who,
and man, you got to move one of them hogs
all the way. But you was on the training camp.
That's how I can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
I'm always gonna check myself.

Speaker 10 (01:48:43):
Yeah, man, put me, put me, put me in them
other times. Man, with the other opportunities. Man, And I
think I'm now you real. Yeah, and look I'm on watery.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Kelly.

Speaker 6 (01:49:02):
That's not a real question. I'm just doing it. That's
not a real question.

Speaker 8 (01:49:10):
He look, say what you want. But in two thousand
and five, that wuld have been an al a party.
You'd have been there, told me, would have been like, yeah, party.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Look, hey, look, hey, look all of us was at
some of them, all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
That's why I tell people that I say a republic garden.

Speaker 8 (01:49:32):
Look, I said, everybody talking about the buff boy that
said that's just because you ain't never go. I said,
if you win, you don't know what I'm saying. Like
that was a different time, baby, great times.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Start bench your cut, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Calvin Johnson.

Speaker 6 (01:49:56):
Oh, whoa, I'm starting Randy. I'm bitching.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Calvin and I'm putting Jailly Man.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Wow, Okay, that's probably what I would do too, though
I ain't or lie.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
Dang. That's a great question though. That was pretty hard.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
I'mna name.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
I'm gonna name three names, and you gotta give me
a one answer to describe this personal thing.

Speaker 6 (01:50:40):
Bob Simmons, Dick Hey that's what I said, my coach,
I might.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
Say, but it was with no, with no hesitation, no,
no diddy, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:51:01):
Straight up, man, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Amazing, get it, rad I'm amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:51:26):
That's why I'm going in the morning. You know, that's
why you're drinking that water. I'm gonna be like, oh,
I'm gonna need an ID.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
In a few days, thaking up. So just my last name,
oh ma, old dog Evans, crazy boy.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
If I had one hundred dollars for every time somebody
saying that, hey, we'll be on we have our own eyes.

Speaker 6 (01:52:00):
Hey look we all got our old stories.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
But look, I don't know if he told y'all this story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
And I'm gonna make it real quick this when I knew, Oh,
it was just in the head. I know he told
y'all about that time man, that the that the cat
drew the pistol on.

Speaker 6 (01:52:24):
Old time Scottsdale.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
That was just recent. That was that was recent.

Speaker 6 (01:52:32):
It's been a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Been a company. Oh that's a recent story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Well, I don't know what when I I hadn't heard.
I'm just this was the one I was there personally.
So when the guy pulled up with the strap pointed
it out the gun. I'm thinking I'm in the Boys
in the Hood movie. When he pulled the straps and oh,

(01:53:00):
just sitting there, chill man, what you what you gonna
what you're gonna do with that? And I didn't you know,
I just stepped in front of old like, oh, chill out, bro, Bro,
it's good bro. You know he just drunk little tips
and man, it's good bro. Ain wa ain't tripping man, y'all,

(01:53:21):
y'all good man, have good night. Man, were good man.
We're gonna keep it moving, man, when you know we
don't want no smoke.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
Oh, grasp my arm and pushes me out the way.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Man. You got the way man. Now now now, I
just asked you a question. Man, I don't know what
he told about. I asked you a question, man, what.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
You're gonna do with that?

Speaker 5 (01:53:40):
Don't speak for me?

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Yeah, you ain't speaking for nigga.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
What you're gonna do with that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
And I looked at him like, oh, this nigga, it
is crazy crazy. So soon as he soon as he
said that, the boy cocked it and oh, still there
looking and talking. Next thing.

Speaker 6 (01:54:01):
You know, from where I'm from, you run if you
ain't got no peace.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
Okay, bo, I've tried to sit here and kind of
diffuse the situation. But now that you're showing me that
you ready to die. Shoot. Now, I was cross the street.
I was across the street.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Oh you knew it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
And when I turned my head, the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Car had drove off. So I don't know if. I
don't know if I scared him because we had some
some brand and all the friends was with us.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
Look when I ran, they ran.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
Heyh the only one still there standing the top.

Speaker 5 (01:54:46):
Hey, he counting, That's all I know. He counted.

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
I said, yeah, my boy, my boy, really really crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Like.

Speaker 8 (01:54:58):
Big fact. He called me from the car. He called
me from the car. I was like that, said, man,
you're a wild turkey.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
I lived to see another day. That's all I knew. Man. Look,
I'm trying to go home and see my kids. Man,
you know on this dumb ship. Man, I'm out of here. Man,
I'm talking about it wasn't it was like point blank range.

Speaker 5 (01:55:29):
Like no flint, no flinch, brother, no flint.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
We did right, no sirt crazy. I love him the death.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
That's my dog.

Speaker 6 (01:55:43):
He showld me that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
And we don't you know, we don't been in some
scumples and stuff before we cats and all that. You know,
I'm damn, but man, when did it come to that?
Looking at that barrow? I don't want no part of that.
Man shout out to because I'm gonna see you the

(01:56:04):
talk about it. I'm talking about it some more and laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:09):
No question, all right, you got five possessions you versus
So I'm gonna pick somebody else who who family to
the show our big bro Shine Springs. You got five
possession versus Shan Springs. How many passes you catch?

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say maybe.
I'm gonna say half. I'm gonna say half.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
So you're going with two or three because you gotta go.
You can't do two and a half, so three that
means you you you got the best.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
In his prime and in my prime. I'm gonna say two.
You said three, he would have popped up on the show.
I already know, already know, already know, and when I
see him, and when I see him, he might even say, hey,
you ain't catching.

Speaker 6 (01:57:16):
Hey that sound and that sound like him? May shot different.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Man, different, no doubt, but San Shine and Shine a
legend man Sean was a great though.

Speaker 6 (01:57:27):
Yeah so so that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
This is my last This is my last rapid fire
question for you one on one basketball game ten eleven,
You or Twin.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
I think I think I'm gonna get Twin. I think
I'm gonna get Twin. We don't play many many a games,
many many many a game, but I think I think
I'm gonna give him. I think I'm an give him. Hey, Twin,
pull up. Ain't pull up if you think different, especially now.

(01:58:08):
See I still hoop from time to time. Twin ain't
in the twin on one.

Speaker 6 (01:58:13):
He ain't in that court. He tore his achilles some
years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
So now he don't want here, want nothing, nothing close
to it now, he.

Speaker 4 (01:58:24):
Poom when when he first came on the show today,
he was saying his first love was basketball. He wanted
to go to Duke for basketball. I said, you football
niggas always come on the show talk about basketball and
ship man.

Speaker 6 (01:58:37):
I'm telling he come out basketball player too.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
I played for DC. It's you know, hey, listen, I'm
gonna say this before.

Speaker 6 (01:58:49):
I'm gonna say this before before I go.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
I know, I said Duke, but my number one all
time favorite team charge.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
That's right. Hey, Hey he did?

Speaker 8 (01:59:05):
He mad because I told him, Yeah, I could get
anybody eight. I was gonna give anybody eight when I'm
playing basketball, I don't care what it was.

Speaker 6 (01:59:14):
If we played one on one to sixteen, you have zero.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
Tripple, you're tripping zero.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
You know that.

Speaker 6 (01:59:23):
When I was like young, You know that's how I
used to get lunch. I used to spot motherfuckers like
we go to sixteen. I give no fourteen, thirteen, twelve.
You have lost every time you gave me thirteen. You
lost every time you gave me thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
No, that's what I do. Went on how to put
this thing, how to put this shoulder right to your chest?
Dang basketball?

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
Listen, man, I.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
Wouldn't have got the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (01:59:46):
Once I get the ball, you ain't no seeing the ball.
I got ball first. Come up, it's done once you
let me shoot for it. I got ball first. Once
I get ball first. Slim got basketball and he wasn't
physical enough. You're going straight to the think I'm gonna
put them right under the basket.

Speaker 6 (02:00:04):
Gonna miss the layup.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
I heard you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Give anybody hate.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
I hate. There's a lot of buckets because I heard
you was nice man, So you know, I ain't even
I ain't even gonna contest that. Man, Hey, pool ain't
poom no, Hey, Cold, poor Cold.

Speaker 5 (02:00:29):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 7 (02:00:30):
I'm surprised you let him go with the little shot
most in the Bathtom, I'm surprised you let that go.

Speaker 6 (02:00:35):
Hey, look, look looks good. Sometimes you gotta get somebody
a little simulance of hope.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
You know, Hey, Hey, I'm change with what happened. No way,
ain't no way. Hey, look.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
Look we we d m v E.

Speaker 6 (02:00:53):
I'm from the Virginia side.

Speaker 4 (02:00:54):
I usually come over to bridge right light, niggas up
They talked about, Oh man, you from an.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
I know you from Virginia.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Yeah, like like he used to be hooping up at Georgetown. Man,
you ain't never catch cold man in the Yeah, you
ain't catch him on in the streets with the E
on the end. You know what I'm saying. You ain't
catch over at Georgetown. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01:17):
I learned the Earth Coalition and scoring when it was
well like done, Bob.

Speaker 8 (02:01:22):
Right right up, three ninety five. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying. He come in five minutes
to be bright back in Virginia.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Nah, now that's cap because anybody you know my parts
called Turner. The way I learned how to play. I
don't give a damn what neighborhood it was. We driving
down the street. He sees somebody in the court. He's
stopping the he stopping the car. We in the middle
of a war zone.

Speaker 6 (02:01:46):
He walked you out to the court, like, who wanted
to play?

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
My son?

Speaker 8 (02:01:49):
One on what?

Speaker 6 (02:01:55):
You're about to go play?

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
One on what.

Speaker 3 (02:01:56):
That's how I learned how to play.

Speaker 6 (02:01:58):
That's how I met a lot of the district cats.
That was big time ballers. Start doing that. I used
to pull up, pull up, shorty. This is the no
camp spots show.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Yeah, that's why I know.

Speaker 6 (02:02:14):
I know it's I know it's coming. You come and
gout with it. You've been in you've been in the trenches.
Sounds like you've been in.

Speaker 8 (02:02:23):
The trenches many Yeah, you know what Northern Virginia is
even Come on, man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
You know what Northern Virginia is. Man.

Speaker 6 (02:02:35):
We played a city school at d C I at school.
We beat them by thirty. We've never lost to a
district school. Williams One good team and the rest was awful,
trash I get.

Speaker 8 (02:02:53):
I don't know where. I don't know what school he
went to. But while we was in high school, Will
was trash. Y'all would not have been Dumball lost Stevens.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
What the I don't I don't remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
The love.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 6 (02:03:13):
And my brother all gave him forty ten and nine.

Speaker 8 (02:03:18):
I don't remember that. Even I don't remember that. We
got somebody got you in a box score or something?
Man where where a book at?

Speaker 6 (02:03:27):
Look, Dumbo wasn't even the best team in the d
c I when I came out McKinley.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Tech was No, they weren't the best. Dumbar was still
the better team.

Speaker 6 (02:03:37):
One one won the d c I.

Speaker 8 (02:03:40):
They wanted, they wanted because they beat Dumbell in one game.
But Dumbar had a better team than Tech. All Tech
had was Vic. That's all Tech.

Speaker 6 (02:03:47):
Hand, that's all Technique.

Speaker 3 (02:03:49):
It was Vic. You Pa was a bad boy now,
just watching a special on him the other day. He
got the patch, Yeah from John.

Speaker 1 (02:04:01):
Got he got Hope. I'm a whole lot more in
the patch right now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (02:04:04):
That's my bad. But we see biking about what seven.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
Or eight eight years? Yeah, yeah, but he got like
make Summers left.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Damn he went back to the joint.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Yeah, he back in. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
But but shout out to him. He's a fan of
the No Cap show. He gave us big props. I
got to talk to him, you know, some months back,
and he, you know, congratulated us on a on a
great show, you know, and and all that. So man,
you know, shout out to him, man, salute to to
to the bro Vic.

Speaker 3 (02:04:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
That's no man, no question about it.

Speaker 6 (02:04:41):
Shit out the Clippers, Me and Vic win the national
title together. Au O word. Yeah, the three the greatest,
ain't you team ever? Damn that big time right there.

Speaker 1 (02:04:53):
Family. I ain't know that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
I'm learning, man, I'm glad to be here. Man.

Speaker 8 (02:04:57):
He just you know, that's that's only because they was
ahead of us. Man, you know what I'm saying, That
was ahead of us. You know what I'm saying. He
didn't want he wanted to catch that smoke. He didn't
want to.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
He want smoke.

Speaker 4 (02:05:12):
Hey look see, hey we're going We're gonna continue this
conversation in Scottsdale somewhere and smoking a hookah.

Speaker 6 (02:05:20):
And sitting on.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Burday Hey, game two Thursday, Kobe, Let's do it. Let's
do it.

Speaker 3 (02:05:32):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
I like that McDonald's all American. Jersey's up there, Man,
I see it.

Speaker 6 (02:05:39):
Hey, you get free Big Max for the rest of
your life. Salute, salute.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (02:05:50):
Man, I enjoyed this. Man straight up. Hey, before we
get out of here, anything that you want to tell
the viewers and listeners or something, or I'm young and
that's watching the show that say, Man, I want to
follow the same path as as I and and and
you know, go through the ranks and get to the pinnacle.
Anything any Jews you want to drop on them?

Speaker 3 (02:06:14):
Yeah, Man, God first and foremost Man over over everything. Man,
God first, foremost, Man over everything. Uh, stay stay tight man,
and and stay connected with your family man, and and
and friends and have good people in your circle. Man.

(02:06:36):
That's that has the same drive and the same goals
and aspirations as you do. Put in the work, man,
Put in the work.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
If you don't work, you don't eat.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
And you just got to be able to outwork. You
know your your opponent man, and and and be ready
for the challenge. Man. You know those are the are
the most things, man. And then you know, if sports
doesn't work out for you, man, you know, get your degree, man,

(02:07:12):
go to school, man, get your education, because it's life
after football. Man, it's life after basketball. We all can connect.
We all had careers, but we had short careers, you know,
and you don't understand and look at it like that.
When you're younger, you're thinking that things are gonna work

(02:07:33):
out exactly the way like you play and like you
visualize them. But when that don't happen, man, you gotta
be prepared for life after football.

Speaker 8 (02:07:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
I didn't realize that the NFL stands stuff for not
for long until it was too late. You know, I'm
there one day, poom, No, he's there one day and
the next day, you know, you turn it in your
playbook and looking around looking crazy like, man, what the

(02:08:05):
hell happened? And you know when that happens, man, you
gotta be prepared for life after football. Man.

Speaker 6 (02:08:12):
And you know, back then, it wasn't a big.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
Discussion talking about a mentally challenge and mental illness and
it was none of that. Man. It's like, man, you
suck that up. Hey, sports over man, Hey, you better
get ready to you know, go get a job or
do something else. Man, It wasn't no mental you know,
time and mental laps, man, where people caring about you

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because you've been used to playing sports your whole life,
and now you got to find another way, you know,
to make it in life, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:08:47):
And so Man, those are the biggest things man that
I want, you know, a young cat to take with him.

Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
Man, is God first say, connected you to your family,
keep a tight closer circle of friends, and be ready
to go to work, man, and be prepared for life
after the ball, man, because life after ball. You you
really spending more of your life outside of sports than
you are playing sports. And you just got to set

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yourself up man, to be able to do something else
after sports is over with, Man, so you could still
live good and live comfortably.

Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
Absolutely, man. Yeah, that's that's that's definitely some Drew jewels
for the people. Look, we definitely appreciate you pulling up
on us man and and doing this interview. You already
know you found uh you welcome back to the note
Cap show anytime you want, whether you a guess or

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you want to just you know, talk ship with the crew.
Whatever you want to do. You already know the world
is shows and and we we definitely embrace you. Can't
wait to can't wait to link up with you again
man preferred again Scott Stale somewhere.

Speaker 6 (02:10:06):
Yeah, but you already know you you Maine man.

Speaker 1 (02:10:12):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (02:10:12):
Man. I love y'all boys, man, And it's been real
man talking. Uh. You know, you know we've hung out
plenty times before, and I've learned a lot about y'all
the night that I didn't know, and y'all learned a
lot about me, man, So I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:28):
Milk he Man, it's been real man talking to you.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
We got the opportunity to you know, before the other
guys came home, man, so it was all love. Man.

Speaker 6 (02:10:39):
I appreciate the opportunity indeed. Man Again.

Speaker 7 (02:10:41):
Congratulations man, and continue successfully with you and when you
see oh getting a hug from us many no doubt.

Speaker 4 (02:10:49):
No doubt, Yes, sir. To the viewers and listeners, thank
you for continue to rock with the No Castports Show podcast.
Keep supporting us. We're gonna keep bringing you that heat,
keep having those fire guests like Eave in the day.

Speaker 6 (02:11:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:11:05):
Tune in next week, next Wednesday, same time, same channel,
we'll be here, you know the Monica, respect and honor.

Speaker 8 (02:11:14):
Hey, it's too much light. I'm back in the car
next week. Man, I'm back to the car next week.
It's too much light in here.

Speaker 3 (02:11:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
You know what I'm saying. I'm back with my G
fourteen classified.

Speaker 6 (02:11:24):
We need to see you. Thank you as a listener.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
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