June 25, 2025 • 107 mins
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Speaker 3 (01:17):
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Speaker 6 (01:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:22):
All good?
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All good?
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Just just excited to be back.
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:38):
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got I got ship to say. I'm back. For a
quick second, what's up, Slim?
Speaker 7 (01:46):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Basketball player?
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What's up?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
What's the bro?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How you doing?
Speaker 7 (01:55):
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Speaker 9 (01:56):
I ain't talking to I ain't talking to them. Old motherfucker?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What's good?
Speaker 9 (02:05):
What? Welcome to the show. Well, appreciate your for coming on.
I'm on the show for a quick second. I'm here
for a short time, not a long time. I got
a few things I need to get off my chips.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh yeah, well, let's kick it on.
Speaker 9 (02:23):
I'm kicking it off for them. I'm kicking it off
right now. I wanna talk about the last guess y'all
had on the show, mister Ethan High. That's the first
thing I'm gonna say. First of all, he telling stories
that's not true, talking about Oh Mar did this and
old dog did this.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's the hard we I want to get that straight.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You understand what set the record straight there?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
What happened was the gentleman, what uh?
Speaker 9 (02:53):
The gentleman bump my my fiance at the time, that
is now my wife. He was tired, she was she
was bending down, you know, doing something with her shoe,
and the gentleman hit her. I'm across the street and
he was talking crazy to my fiance.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So what I did was like a gentleman should.
Speaker 9 (03:14):
I came across the street and asked the gentleman, what's
the problem. That's how the situation started. You understand what
I'm saying. Now the rest of the stuff he said,
what's true? I did do that, you know what I'm saying.
But I just wanted to set the record straight that
it was. I ain't start nothing. Whatever the case may be.
(03:35):
The situation was the gentleman bump my fiance, and my
fiance and him was having words. So I came over there,
as a man should and told my fiance, hold up
for a second, you know what I'm saying, And then
me and him started to have words. Right, So that's
how the situation started. You know what I'm saying, mister
(03:57):
Ethan Hyde, you know or whatever. Well, we're gonna be
on the National Show and talk and telling stories. Tell
the story correct I'm talking about I was on it.
I'm way too cool to just start talking crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not.
Speaker 9 (04:13):
I don't even work, so anyway, I just wanted to
get the record straight so we can continue on. Go ahead,
I'm good, Hey.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, all right. So let's well, I know the draft
out to get started. I think the commissioner, what are
you about to announce the first pick?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Who cares you?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Should it?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Should? Should be? Should be about four minutes before they
get it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think they just did the introduction to the incoming class.
But hell, we all know who the first ship. We
know who the first two picks gonna be. The question
comes in the ACE, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
All I know is the first pick. I don't know
who the second pick is. I ain't been following the
NBA drift.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
So it should it should be with Flag one and
Dinner Harping.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Two yeast Bailey was projected to go three, but I
don't know. He didn't go to any workouts and didn't
do any interview so I don't know if that hurt
his draft status. What you guys think about he's barely
not going to to the interviews and working out for
potential teams that could draft him.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Go ahead, Zee, Well.
Speaker 10 (05:22):
I just think it's like, it's just what all these
dudes do. It's just not it just I don't know.
It's obviously heard his drafts, Like I.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Don't know what he was thinking. It's not like a
good idea.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, what about your coach.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I don't know because it's I mean, when you say
hurd his draft stock, what's really the difference between three
and six? Yeah, I don't think he gonna drop below
six because Wizards would be crazy to pass up on him.
I know it's a big risk, but hell, they they
need the risk, take the risk the dude. The dude
can play. Now the question would be is his his group.
(05:58):
I don't think it's the talent that gonna be questioned
with regards to him not showing up to these interviews,
but they they clearly like like, oh, always say the tape,
don't lie.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The cat can play. He's a bucket getter.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Now is the risk reward factor more on the risk
that you can't trust his team? The guidancetead he's getting
so I you know, I don't know how much I
think anything after after ten he drops, then then we're talking,
you know, did he heard his stock? But I don't
think it's much of a difference between three six, three ten,
unless I mean you can correct me on that. But
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what what are we talking about? You know how much
money were talking about?
Speaker 9 (06:36):
I don't know about in basketball and football, you're talking
about millions of dollars when.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
You're talking about three to six.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
So I don't know how I work in basketball, but
in football you're talking about millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So yeah, that's that's a big goddamn difference.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, But is it that much of a drop after three?
Three to ten code? When all it's not that much.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's less each pickre you go down, it's gonna be
a little bit less, but it's not. It's not a
big jump like it is in football, but it's still less,
you know, less, it's less.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So I think the only thing he's risking is integrity
right now. Integrity and character. Yeah, you don't want to
go to an organization where people question your character.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, And the bad thing about it, coach. From the
outside looking in, it seems like he's a good kid,
you know, from from everything in all the interviews I've
seen him in and and and I've seen him talk
a few times, and you know, of course we saw
him on the court. He seemed like a good kid.
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But I think it's the people around him. I don't
know if it's family or agent, manager or whatever. I
think they they giving them some bad advice.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Now I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I don't think it's gonna hurt him short term because
the talent is so great that he's going to get
drafted somewhere between three and eight. And that's what his
camp keeps saying, like, whether we worked out or not,
we know that we're going to go.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Somewhere in this range.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So that that's the reason that they're putting out there
in the world. But my thing is the long term effect,
Like you were saying, coach, like what type of label
is going to be put on this kid by not
having interviews with the team and by not working out
with the team, Because one day, whoever drafted him, he
may not stay with that team. You know, he may
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as a free agent want to go somewhere else, And
it's going to be that executive that he refused to
talk to coming out of college. That gonna be like, no, remember,
you didn't want to speak to us coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know we we.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Don't think you a good fit for our organization.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
So I think that's where it's going to hurt him
at in the long run when people because this leads
a bad taste in people mouth because they wanted to
talk to they wanted to see him so they gonna remember.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That in the long run, when it's time.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
To go to another team free agency to get a
max contract or any type of contract, it's going to
come back, gonna come back around.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
It's going to be questioned.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, And I think too, man, just from watching I
think I watched the Gigante Murray episode, man, and one
thing we fail to realize, man, is the media can
take a story and turn it and paint it any
picture they want to. And I think with this man,
he leaves that too much of that in their hands,
with the picture they want to paint him. Like I said,
(09:25):
I just got finished watching before we stepped on the show,
the kid he is, it sounds like he's all about basketball,
you know, he just wanted to get out there and
who but what narrative are you going to allow them
to write about you, because it's not going to be
about him. If you're saying you want to keep basketball,
keep basketball basketball, then you should go out and work
out and take all the questions out again. But again
(09:47):
he's being led by whoever however, and they're giving him advice.
And at the end of the day, I think we
athletes need to realize and keep in mind, you don't
want to give anybody unders to say, ability to paint
a picture of you that you don't have control of.
And I think that's the piece that's gonna, like you say,
long term effects, character issues, because again, you know, once
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people put a story out on you, the only thing
you have is opportunity to prove them wrong. But how
much opportunity you're gonna get because now it's going to
be based on what situation you put in, how you
play bar and no injuries, and then you know what
what what people come back and say about you after
the fact. So hopefully he goes into a good situation
and he just you know, you don't have any other
(10:32):
follow up issues with his team, so we wish him
well at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, look like so the number one pick is in, uh,
we're assuming it's going to be Cooper Flag. What's your
expectations of Cooper Flag in the NBA? Because you've heard
a lot of great things about him and he has
he's definitely a talented young man, an athlete, and he
has all the metrics, So so what would be I
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guess a fair assessment of him in terms of his
his his growth and development in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
I think, well, we saw him play against those dudes
when he was about seventeen, and he was he dropped
I think sixteen or fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Against those dudes on the USA team.
Speaker 10 (11:19):
Yeah, And I think he's good enough to be able
to play that robin role with Anthony Davis that until
Kyrie comes back, and yeah, when Kyrie come back, what December?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Maybe?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, so maybe maybe sometime after the All Star break.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Yeah, it's about right.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
And I just think you play that little role where
you can get that support for Anthony Davis and Kyrie
and they can kind of lead them on and have
some and then the future have a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Like leverage where you can kind of fall back on. Right,
you have Cooper Flag on the team, He's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So are you an Anthony Davis fan? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:08):
I mean, y'all h no, no, no, no, no, no.
Are you a fan? Do you think he can? Do
you think he is one of the top basketball players? Like,
are you a fan? Do you think he can? Is
he one of the top players in the league in
your mind?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah? Went healthy?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yes, get get him off, get him off.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He hates he hates Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
He hates Come.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Come on, you say he's a dog. Hey, this is that?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Hey the man, the man can play. I know you
didn't say he's a dog.
Speaker 10 (12:48):
I mean, yeah, he's the.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Dollar it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I got, he's crazy, I got, I got.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's all good. What school you go to?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:58):
What high school you go to? Brother Ohio? You go
well Spring bro spring.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Boro, Ohio? Like how far that outside of where you close?
To Dayton Columbus?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Where you are.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
What are you? Do? You do? You know what you like?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Any football? You? Uh old State fan? What do you
like football?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
I don't think that's a lot of football.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But you pay attention to basketball. But you call Anthony
Davids a dog?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You not like?
Speaker 9 (13:29):
No, do you see a part of being a dog?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He usually got to show up and play. He don't
even show up. He ain't no dog, he.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Said.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
But that's my point though, But listen, but on a
serious note, that's the point.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Listen to what Zeke just said.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
He said something that ain't that's fresh a young man,
that's a hooper, he said.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
When he's available. That's part of being part of the dog.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Is you always available, you always play that's about of.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Being a dog. And that's when when he's available, s
you're supposed to be you supposed to be able to beat.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
So what you're saying, oh dog? But but you always
singing out of him. There's other players that.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
I'm talking about, all them. I'm singing a glass man because.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's the worst one. He's not the worst, he is
the worst.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
He's a top seven player wings healthy. Here what he's
a top seven player wings healthy?
Speaker 11 (14:41):
Ever?
Speaker 9 (14:42):
Just oh, so you're numbers guy, So it's all about
the numbers. But you was about about what the average
and how many points and rebounds?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Right? You are number? How many points he had?
Speaker 9 (14:54):
How many points he had when he played against Yoka
Damn Ship in the fourth court.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I looked at him, what's one look up played in
the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Looked at him.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He had It's.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Called Hey, hey, here's here's the crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Here's the crazy part about Cooper flag Man going into
this situation as it looked like they just made the pick.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh they just announced the pick.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, okay, So so think about this, fellas, how crazy
is it that he had more pressure going to perform
at Dupe than he does going into Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
This kid, this.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Kid is gonna walk into a situation man, where he
is going to just be able to sit back and
just be himself. Like he ain't got to go in
and do nothing crazy. He ain't gotta go in and
try to prove nothing. This dude, you just insert and
play the.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Money is bad. Who's your favorite NBA player?
Speaker 11 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Yeah, like I like Gianna's But oh wait, you got favorite?
Speaker 12 (16:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Who your who your favorite NBA player?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
John?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right? Okay, that's a good that's now that Now you're talking.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
Now you're talking, but you're talking about talking about Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That I wouldn't. I wouldn't pick Anthony Day. I picked
you before Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You play at ass.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He's a bump. He's a bump.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You gotta stopped looking at numbers because numbers can be cause, uh,
because numbers can be real conceason.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Believe that it ain't all about numbers. No money?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
What's up more?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Man?
Speaker 8 (16:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Man?
Speaker 8 (16:55):
What how y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
We got gonna head? We got another Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Man, he just walked into a trap.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He ain't under sad, but but nah, man, like I said,
I think, I think uh, I think Cooper flag Man.
If if if everything goes as planned, they get Kyrie back.
I don't know who they're gonna I think, uh, they
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got enough money to go get a guard to play
in place in him, you know, to insert while he
gets healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
But man, just think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Man, you got him, you got Lively, you got a
d when he's healthy, you got Daniel Gafford, you got
what's that PJ like bruh, you just.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Wait and we passed that bro a ship obvious you
what podcast you was coming on? He didn't tell you
that motherfucking old doghins on here today.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We ain't pass ship.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You said, you Hady Davis fan. Now well I still you.
You still ain't gave me them numbers in the fourth quarter.
Ye all our listeners and viewers and ship to say,
now money more. I've been dialing these I've been dialing.
I've been waiting. I told we been talking this ship.
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I've been waiting over there and looking look over there,
try and find it. Z.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Don't worry about he trash.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
He trashed.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Don't worry about them.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
I guarantee you when you watch him play next year
you're gonna be like man, that's what Coach O told me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He don't show up in no big moments. That's why
you shouldn't.
Speaker 9 (18:46):
It shouldn't take you that long on no internet to
find no fourth quarters.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Don't let him frustrate the zy just smashing the computer.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Come on, Doe, see, don't worry about every David stats.
We like you said, we moved past that. They so
more money. Got a question for you, So we was
talking about the flag. He's the number one pick. What
expectations do you have for him in the league? I
know coach Coach just mentioned that. You know, he had
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more pressure going into do than he does Dallas because
he's not expected to, you know, be the number one
option and the guy. Right now, he can be the
second option to Anthony Davis until Kyrie gets back and
then he'll be like a third option. But at some
point the pressure is going to have the mount on
him because I think that we're looking at him as
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possible savior of the league because you know, right now
the league is run by players that's from other countries.
We don't you know, American Superstars is agent and they'll
be out the league in the next year to three
years or whatever the case may be. So we looking
for that next American face and Cooper Flag may be it.
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So Mo, what's your expectations for Cooper?
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I mean, if we're putting those expectations on them, I
think they might be far fetched because to be that
type of player, man, you're talking about Lebron, you're talking
about Kobe, you talking about MJ.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
For a while, you had Tracey McGrady.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Those type of players are once in the generation and
that most of them are prolific scores. I don't see
that right now from Cooper Flag. He has some development
that he has to do at the next level to
become that. And also those guys are dogs, Like maybe
I miss something at Duke.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
I didn't see that type of dog that you could
be the face of the league, and man has it.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
He just has to grow up and we have to
be patient.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
I think a lot of times we want the superstars
to come in and be who they are day one,
but it's growth and maturity. MJ didn't win a champion
ship in his first five years, Yeah, but he was
walking people up money more so, don't do that working
people up from the begetting I ain't I got, but
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you still dropping some crazy ship.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
You had to grow to. There's a Master.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
J show. He had to grow.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
He came in fucking people up and you can turn
into the last dance when they talked about him being
a rookie and how.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
He was going crazy, and so you don't think Cooper
Flag gonna go crazy?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Of course, Wait a minute.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Like money More said, he not Z So I'm I'm
gonna I'm gonna saying I'm gonna quote money money More
just saying m J didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Come into the league, right that what you said, money
More white.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
And when he didn't win, he didn't come into the league, can't.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But what I'm.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Saying is if we're looking so Covie's question to me was,
we're looking for a face of the league and the
only thing that right now is on ant Man's jacket
is he hasn't He hasn't won anything, right, but he
showed matturation. He got to the Western Conference finals, He's
played in big games.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
He's just maturing. He's just getting to that point.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
So I don't think that you can expect Cooper Flag
to jump at Man or some of these other players.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
K Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
I don't think he'll be on that level yet.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, I think he'll.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Come in and score.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, I think he'll come in and be a great player,
But I don't think he'll be the face of the league.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
For his high school coach.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Earlier in the pre draft show, Most said his expectations
for Cooper in his rookie years maybe seventeen seven and
seven or eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Man, that's a lot. Man, I just I don't know.
I mean, I have to I don't know, because.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Compared to Kawhi Leonard, to Scottie Pippen, to Jason Tatum,
and it was one other person he was, uh he
was compared to I can't remember remember who it was. Oh,
the young fella that played for Oklahoma City that uh Williams,
Yeah that night.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I mean you putting him in a sentence with Kawhi
Leonard and all.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
But I'm just trying to understand where money mother went
with Michael Jordan's. He went with Jordan's.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Well, we were talking about that. We were talking about
hold on.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Call me my man, if you talk for himself.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
For you because you didn't hit a question.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
But I didn't hear the question. I wasn't on the stream,
but I heard the question.
Speaker 9 (23:45):
But I don't think Michael Jordan needs to be in
none of these categories now, he don't. His name don't
even need to be brought up. And let me I'll
give what you saying. What you're talking about an average
you know what I'm saying. But Michael Jordan, that's that's
a totally different monster. And he was gonna went to
a shitty ass team. He went to the Balls. The
Balls didn't even win forty games. I mean, at the
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end of the day, the question was how how do
I feel Cooper Flag's game will translate to the league?
And do I think he can be a face of
the league. So my thing is I think his game
will translate. I don't think he'll be the face of
the league in my opinion, because I think is with
m J and and with and Man and all of
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these guys, we live in a revisionist history. When m
J came in the league, he wasn't the face of
the league. So what I'm all I'm saying is we
keep trying to compare these modern players and put him.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
In a p.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
I got what you're saying that you know what I got.
I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Now what you guys think about this?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So, if Cooper Flag turns out to be the player
that we think he's going to be, right, let's say
he turns out to be a great player, first team
All All League, second team, Well, let'sten a first team
All League. Eventually, don't you think automatically he'll be the
face of the.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
League, especially being a superstar and being white.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Ain't but a question that's like a great, great combination.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Here's here's a question. Look at Kaitlin Clark. You know
she is, But Cole here's a real question.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Are we talking face of the league of American face
of the league, because we are. We clearly see it's already
a couple of faces of the league. Aya, Well that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
But we we talked about this a lot about why
the why the NBA ratings are down. You know why,
because we don't have any American faces. People don't want
to turn on T n T and see somebody from
Serbia or Lithuania or Czech or Slovakia or whatever be
in the face of the league. We want a home
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grown American player to be the face of the league.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So you know why, you know why Jason and all
those guys to stand here for his for his.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know why they can't be the face of the league.
Why because when.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
You turn it, like you said, when you turn the
T n T money more and coach Milton and z
you don't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's just playing on that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So bro, hey, but hey, so let me ask you this,
Let me let me put this out there because old.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
But here's the thing, though, we don't know we can.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
You play one hundred and forty five hours, play one
hundred forty five hours. Don't see Anthony and he's doing uh,
what's it called what they do?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Money more?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When they wressim? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Promotion?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
What's it called that promotion?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
No, when they wrested him, when they say that he's
not gonna play because of what's it called the Santayo?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
What's it called load? Load?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They all do that.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Brian James, does that your favorite player, everyone of your
favorite payers?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No load man, my favorite player, Michael Joe, he didn't
do no load man.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
We're talking about the modern n B.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
A I'm talking. I'm talking about the modern NBA. Why
do you think the NBA is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So here here's here's let's let's piggyback this one here
not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago, we
were talking about Holli Burton being underrated by his peers.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
So is it? Is it the league or is it
the fans? Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
When you got a clean cut DW Tatum, Halliburton, all
these dudes they don't want that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
But then they don't want John.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They don't want job because Joah too hood or he
into the problem. Like the league gotta figure out what
they want the face to be because you clearly got
faces out here. They don't want Halliburton to be the face.
They damn sure don't want Tatum to be the fir
How can you not have Tatum.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
As the face of the NBA and coach real real,
real quick though, real quick.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I got to push back on that.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
I don't think they clean man, because Odoll pointed out
something about Jason Tatum last year, and he was right,
there's moments, and there's there's moments right where they don't
show up.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Oh yeah, no, no, I'm not questioning that. No, No, I'm
not even a Tatum fan. Because of just that that
dude has been this he he is what I call
him is he's on the floor and not an issue.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
He's steeling.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
So he ain't no place to the league. But but se,
But that's what I'm saying the league should be. You
can say that you want white, black prop great, it's
the joke joker, he don't show up. Yeah, that was
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my question.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dogs, I have to team.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
I never I never want the team.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Want to lost. You gotta win.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Hey, they were ain't no dog, they were drinker man.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
I like Anthiy Davis.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
They were showing how lights a joker earlier and I
was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
This dude did a two handed behind the back past,
no look past and he shot it off with one
foot from half court. Like you got the face?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
You got foreign he's we don't want to foreign face
out of the n b A. This is American sport. But
they let me ask you question, want to forner NBA,
n BA go get these foreign players.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
I think I think if joking, if Joker has some personality,
I think he's just too bland.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
He he damn sure he over there brace of horses
right now, because.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
This ship in the NBA is easy to joker. It's
easy too.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
Ain't nobody no bombs being fired out there in the outside.
Ain't nobody shooting in the stands. But he said, I'm
not worried about nothing y'all talk about. Y'alla been in
mock country. That's the dog. That's why slab wall go see.
That's whyball rock out Zi talking about He like Anthony Date.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
He real talk though.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Man, I think everybody on here has played basketball at
some level, right.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
So y'all are basketball periods.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
When you talk about the face of the league, they
have to get somebody that don't know anything about basketball, right,
So when you turn on your TV, I think one
thing is undisputed when you talk about Michael Jordan or
Kobe Bryant or anybody like that, they were exciting basketball players, right,
So you didn't have to know anything about the game
of basketball to know that they were exciting players. The problem, right,
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if you're not a purist some of the things that
he does, it goes over your heads.
Speaker 12 (31:05):
And yeah, right sure, I think that's why I think
John was on on on course to do it, but
he just too stupid. You know what, I'm saying because
it's excitement. I think the Anthony David, I mean Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I think if he.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
Didn't set up for so many jump shots, if he
still attacked the ram and was dufing on people, then
he would no doubt be the face of the league
right now. But his game isn't. I mean, there's some
excitement to his game, but he much do TV every
you know what I'm saying, night, because sometimes you're gonna
go out there and shoot twelve threes and not attack
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the basket, you know what I'm saying, And that that's
not what's gonna make you, uh, the face of league.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like that.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
If John Mourant would have been playing in these finals
instead of SGA, I bet the raton would have been
way high. People gonna tune in to see job. You
know what I'm saying. SGA just a boring player like
he nice, but you know, he don't really talk ship.
You know what I'm saying. I know that I'm I'm
from Lucas. Luca talks ship, Lucas showing big moments. You
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know what I'm saying. He ain't American, but.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And I'm with with I'm with more on this too.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I don't think Cooper flash game speaks that because it
was Tom's in the college, in the player in the
tournament that he disappeared. Now, he had a lot of
talent around him. But you can't disappear if you the
national player of the year. You come out you leading
duke and everything. And now they're comparing him like they're
trying to say he's the one of the greatest duke.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Players ever and I'm like, no, not even close. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I'm a Carolina dude. Man, throw him up there.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You know.
Speaker 13 (32:48):
What news was that he probably the bottom on the
draft pre draft store they did, they took a they
took a when they did a segment called the Main
Event where they went back to Maine and they were
talking about it, and then they at the end of
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they we said.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Right now they have uh he would be considered. I
think they had him in the top five duke players.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Well, Coach Newton, anybody can do a once again, that's numbers.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Somebody can go through a segment such such such no cast.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Borts show and out of the six month fuckings on here,
three y'all gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Say, I'm talking about these these are the main analysts
though these are the.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, it ain't not no, you.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Know, I'm just saying that's the conversation that they they
get paid to push the nerve.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
No, that's what I'm saying, So his game doesn't translate
to that. I don't think Cooper Flag is gonna be
that type. And that's why I said when he goes
to Dallas, he's just gonna settle in and play and
do well. And it's gonna be hard to make him
the face of the league on the team that he
probably not even gonna be the best player on his
own team.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's not the third best.
Speaker 12 (34:06):
It's gonna be tough for him to see the Florid
Like I won't trade PJ Washing.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
PJ watched it the dog.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
There your mind he think the Cooper Flag better than
PJ Washing it right now? You out your mind, man,
That's that's that's projection.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They ain't going to camp yet. They ain't going to
camp yet, and let them tighten that little young together.
They're gonna tighten up.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
We've seen them play against the best talent in the
world when they.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Clold up for a second.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
Though, Money Moe Oh coach Milton Zeke Freak listen here, man,
y'all they playing, They was playing against you, if I'm
not mistaken. Was the training camp not in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Money Moe exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Come man, come on, man, money more training camps in Vegas.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
Many they come on, man, y'all, come on, this might
this might Z might not know about this, but you
you four gentlemen, Come on, man, training camps in Vegas, Kobe,
you know, come on, man, they in Vegas. Man, they chilling.
They trying not to get hurt. He going out there
trying to do his thing. He trying to prove he belonged.
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They just got Look, they just came out. The sign
and the steam run they just practice was at seven.
They just walked in the building at six am. Come on, man,
come on, man, let's come on. Let's keep it a buck.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Now. It wasn't like that.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
What come on, man, They wasn't they was They was
in Vegas in training camp. Cod you know you've been
in a You practices all star teams before. You know
how to practices go. And you also know that one
player we all know, even Zeke know this. At one
player you'd be like, hey, buddy, relapse a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's not the game. Come on, man, we get.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
You trying to make the team and trying too that
you you belong ahead before I have to tighten your
ass up. And we started to do some real bump
out here. Relaxed, buddy, you know what I mean? Come on, man,
you act like they was. Come on, man, come on, Cole,
don't do that man.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
In Vegas party.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Man about what I say.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
I'm not gonna speculate.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What the And he only mentioned that six six and
a half cool man?
Speaker 12 (36:24):
Really? Yeah, when at the Dream combine he mentioned six
six and a half man six, I'm just chelling.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Whats no this?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
They got a seven two wingspan played.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
With Hey, minimum, no, they are ready.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
They showed six nine seven foot wingspan here him and
Scottie Fifber had the same metrics. He's a quarter of
it is taller than Scottie six seven.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
They got it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He was.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
In three quarters. Hey, can I ask you this question, real, lily?
How do you think?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Do you do you real? Listen? Do you think this
gentleman is a good basketball? Like? What's your expectations?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Man, I think the Skis are living for him. I mean,
if you look at his sciences. I've loved them the
way you play. So do you think the rookie of
the year.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yes, yes, Kobe, you said disguise and limits. Let me
ask you give me a give me a give me
a comparable.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
Who do you think if Coople Flag have if you
think of his best who's his NBA comparison?
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And if you think I can tell you what what
they said?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I ain't asking what they say. I'm asking Kobe Turner.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Let me think.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Man, that's your answer right there.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Because he plays defense me AND's defense might be better
than his offense.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So who would he compare to?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Though?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Who?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
What? What comparison?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Didn't do that because I heard Hill, I heard Grant
here earlier this morning.
Speaker 12 (38:13):
I'm like everybody talking about him and grand Hill. Yeah,
Hill was a dog that there.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
So so I mentioned this earlier to the Fellas. The
comparison that they have for Cooper Flag is Kawhi, Leonard
Scotty Pippen, Jason Tatum and Williams that played for Oklahoma City.
I can see Wiggins. I can see that wayam the
body that he playing on. Both fans of the court,
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the athletic saysm. I can see Williams like right now,
I can see that. I have a good vision of that.
I really don't see the Pippen and Kawhi comparisons, but
I do see Williams.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, he's not he's not that. Why he's not like that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Why came out of college as a defensive player, so
you can't even put him in.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
That's what I say about I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (39:10):
Player Cooper Flag is not that he's not the elite
athlete that Scottie, Pippen and Kah.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
He's not that. He's not that athlete. He's not that athlete.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
He's thinking, Wow, I don't know about scotty crazy athlete.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Think you no, sir? No? Sure?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
Yeah? Ya?
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Wat's this kid?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Or ya?
Speaker 7 (39:32):
We just talking he's like a thirty eight.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
You have you evaluated this?
Speaker 12 (39:37):
We're just talking about it's it's a thousanders in the
NBA with the thirty eight is vertical.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
When like you're acting like he's like super slow or
something like, he's very like, I'm like.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Good far positions and he can play on all more positions.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
What core position he's playing on?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Offense?
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Five?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Your head?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
You just still got hot bron because fan I'm a
Dallas about Luca Ben.
Speaker 12 (40:18):
I'm a Dallas Maveri fan, and I tell you this,
I was not excited when we got the number one
pick because they're like, we're gonna I would have mavitraated it, man.
I would rather go on, get kd man, give us
KAD for three years. You know what I'm saying. At
least I know what I got. I don't know what
I got. Like it's it's potential. But we all know
that rookies are rookies for a reason. Sim And if
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you look at the history, if you take Lebron out
of it, you gotta go back to Lebron to have
a number one pick to lead a team to a championship.
After before Lebron, you gotta go Tim Duncan's chat. So
that number one, that number one pick, shit don't mean
nothing to me, man, Like you ain't guarantee you to
get nobody to take you to a championship at number one.
Give me kadd think about it. We was talking about
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this earlier.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
The person's now on him to lead that team to
the championship because he's gonna be the second third option
in the.
Speaker 12 (41:09):
Beginning, Kobe, They like, listen, I'm gonna say the quiet
part out loud, like they don't like Europeans for real
in the NBA. You know what I'm saying, Like most
jokers they hate on Luga, they hate on on jokers.
You know what I'm saying, Like the players right there,
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you hear him talk shit about them because they don't
like they feel like Europeans. Get a white American, they're
gonna be on his ass. Everybody. Nobody's gonna want to
get there. Nobody's gonna wanna get their ass much by
Cooper Flag, nobody's gonna wanna get theirs by nineteen old
white boy man. Like that's that's the quiet part, Like
come on, come on, We've been in the locker.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Room by anybody, but sometimes you just.
Speaker 12 (41:51):
You're right, and guess what, they're gonna be on it.
They're gonna be on it, on it just like man,
come on, you know that they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
They're gonna be on the worse than it was Lebron's son.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
But I don't nobody was worried about him busting the ass.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What I'm saying, not not that, not that hate, just
the just hate just because you Lebron's son, I'm gonna
show you you don't belong out here.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
You think it's going.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, he didn't see the floor is gonna be out there.
He's gonna be on the floor, gonna be in the league.
So switching up a little bit. We've been talking about Cooper,
we talked about ed Words and all these other guys
potentially being or or maybe should be mentioned as the
face of the league. But one person we didn't mention
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is the NBA champion and finals m v P s
g A. I mean, is he the best player in
the league right now? Is he the face of the league.
I can't just win the championship and m v P here,
m v P that, And y'all don't even mention his
name one time.
Speaker 10 (43:04):
The other day the one thing, like you said, he
got the m v P, he won the finals. Well,
we I think we all, I think most of us
can agree that Yokis deserve the MVP.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
YO better than Why did deserve it? Young man?
Speaker 10 (43:22):
Well, he had the most impact on his team on
a team anybody in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So I'm gonna tell you this. Last year, last year.
Speaker 12 (43:32):
Lucal Numbers was killed Jokics, but yok was on a
better team and they gave it the Yokics This year,
Yokis numbers was killing sg As, but Sga is on
a better team, so that the president said.
Speaker 10 (43:45):
It's not completely by numbers once you have an impact
on her team. Jokic was Yoki's team without him on
the court, like points wise was minus four point seven
or something like that against all the other teams in
the NBA. This year, Turner a horrible team good against.
Speaker 12 (44:06):
We can't we can't call we can't call them a
horrible team when they got Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Uh, Like, come on, that's not a horrible team, Like.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Come on, team.
Speaker 12 (44:22):
They just won the championship to r That's what I'm saying.
They're not a horrible team. Like yeah, So, I mean
when you say an impact, when you say impact, like
what they said last year with Luca Yokas impact made
his team win more games. SGA's impact made his team
win more games. So they can't, they can't. They can't
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more the gold posts every year. You know what I'm saying.
They showing that this is what we're gonna do. That's
what they do. Like so I was last year, nobody
in the history of the NBA ever went thirty four,
nine and nine ever.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (44:57):
But Luca was on the number five team, you know,
and Yogis was at I think they was in two
or three. So he got it. So this year Yogis
was at they was a sixth There was a sixth seed, right,
so they the tricks seed. They gave it to number one.
I got no problem with that, Like I think Yogic
is a dog or no question.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I think that he get it.
Speaker 12 (45:17):
But I think the problem with we can't we can't
be a microwave generation and say, all right, well, SGA
won the championship this year, so now he's a phase
of the league.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (45:25):
Like that, it's over the last five years and with
five different champions will have five different phases of the league.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Here's why he's not gonna be and in my opinion,
just in the short time, not short time, because he's
been in the league for a while and or know,
he put up numbers for the last couple of years.
But the problem that I think he gonna have you
got a people, a lot of people that don't already
don't like him because they say he get the files
too much. And I'm like, he earned that, So what
are you trying to put him in a hardened case?
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Like the dude understands how to play. He can get
anywhere he wants to the floor. You can't speed him up.
But I think he comes in and he comes in.
Uh to this situation where you got a lot of
people that's already disliking him because of the refs and
the whistles, because you watch the filers. You got people
already saying, well, he that should have been a foul.
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That should have I think even we talked about it. Yeah,
some of it is, but that ain't his fault.
Speaker 12 (46:19):
No, I've never seen anybody officiated like they officiate OKAC
as a team, like for them to be young, like
they get calls like the ninety six bulls, you know
what I'm saying, Like for real, they I ain't never
seen nobody reach as much as they reach Filer, you know,
like you could call them. I mean they are so physical,
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the referees a lot of him. To be so physical,
there's almost it's almost a turnoff sometimes, like man, like
how come they can get away with this? SGA is
just not He's just not an exciting player.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Like and in the moment media, in the moment you.
Speaker 12 (46:59):
Touched, yeah, and he pushes off everything, you know what
I'm saying, Like this, he used that off arm, you know,
crazy so and then it's it's just Oklahoma City, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
They ain't got no history.
Speaker 12 (47:12):
Uh so like they were fifteen years old, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (47:18):
The gold post Man what because because nobody he was
in Oklahoma City. Wasn't nobody saying he was He wasn't
a super some people saying he might be the best
player in the league. Now s g A here, Okay,
see he got it cracking out there.
Speaker 12 (47:37):
Let me ask in the playoffs in the road.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Let mention your question though, Let me your question playoffs.
Let mess your question. Let mention your question.
Speaker 12 (47:51):
You got one hundred, You got one hundred dollars left
your name right, and you're gonna spend one hundred dollars
to go buy NBA ticket.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Now you're gonna go watch k Dal. You're gonna want
go watch s g A Lebron.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
That's who I'm going to go see.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, I get it, and we know and we know
the answer to your question. You just gave me the answer.
Speaker 12 (48:13):
It's k D. K D is primetime TV. K No,
I'm just real, it's real.
Speaker 6 (48:22):
Watch k represent our D m V.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
You know k D.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
You know KD is a baller. But s g A
is getting it done.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
He's doing in Okay, see with k D, with Russell Westbrook,
with James Harden. What third Obaca couldn't do?
Speaker 8 (48:48):
The States teams of all time?
Speaker 6 (48:50):
No, you know what they ran against Lebron's.
Speaker 9 (48:53):
I'm saying he ran up against theirs first, they ran
up against the big german.
Speaker 12 (48:59):
He know what I'm saying. He had to shut him down.
You know what I mean, my guy in Dallas, So.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Derek had a hell of a run.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Man, But the best of all time, the best of
all time.
Speaker 9 (49:11):
But I mean, honestly, you talk about face of the league? Man,
Has Tim Duncan never been considered the face of the league?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Never, not in my time.
Speaker 9 (49:19):
He's been considered a great right. But you have to
have personality to the face of the league.
Speaker 7 (49:27):
Yeah, I agree, Lebron's personality sucks.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Oh my god, Oh man, all right.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
At all?
Speaker 12 (49:37):
Come on, get this kid at jukebox. Man, that's why
he mad that Lebron left.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I get you.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
I didn't take that. I didn't get into the NBA
till like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
He was still there at twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
Yeah, best season in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
He did.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yeah that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Hey anyway, what what what number they're on on the draft?
Who watching?
Speaker 9 (50:13):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (50:14):
I saw.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Utah so so a a.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yet we're Johnson from Texas?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Okay, I saw I.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
He went to Washington. Yeah, he went to Utah, went.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Nice, okay, and we got in and Wizard's got the
shoot it with Johnson?
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Right, you said Johnson?
Speaker 7 (50:37):
Yeah? Yeah, get drafted yet?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah? Who? Yeah he went to Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Oh yeah he was. He was projected to go to Charlotte.
Yeah number four right, yeah before with the four pick. Yeah,
they had him projected.
Speaker 6 (50:56):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yeah, he can play.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I thought he was probably, to be honest, I thought
he was more consistent at times than Cooper was in
the big games. Yeah yeah, because you know, you know,
in my house, so it's Carolina versus Duke, me and
my son, and he he couldn't stand Cooper.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
He loves some Conger nipple and I'm just like I
gotta agree. We'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Not not saying that he's a better player, but the
nipple showed up more in the big games, Like when
the games mattered, he came.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You know, he was the one that I'm like, all right,
he's showing up more.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And the and the uh, the the African dude.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
That dude showed up big too.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Oh yeah, they had a nice squad man, So I
know all them dudes gonna get paid tonight. But so
that you know, we'll see what Cooper does. Man, I
think I think he has He's gonna have the He's
gonna have what he has more than any of these
guys we're talking about faces Anthony and joh He's gonna
have veteran leadership. He's gonna be catered to right because
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they want him to succeed, and he is going to
be kind of able to work behind the scenes because
he's again he's going to be the third option on
a bad night. He might get to when you don't
have say you don't get Kyrie back and Anthony Davis
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doesn't get on the floor, he might still be the
number two option on the night like that on that
team because you got PJ.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Right, PJ.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I think PJ will automatically become the number one option
on that team unless I'm missing somebody, and then you
have Lively and Cooper Flag and Gark Gafford and all
them doing so.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
I just think he in the sweets.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I think he's in a sweet spot. But I don't
think his skill set is going to ever be able
to get to the face unless he does unless he
just does something miraculous over the next year or two.
Speaker 12 (52:57):
Hey, coach, you know who I think his feeling is.
My nbig comparison for him, Andre is a dollar.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
I like that, and that ain't that ain't and that
ain't a bad.
Speaker 12 (53:10):
I think he's gonna be solid, just not a superstar,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I think.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
I just don't understand why y'all talking.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
Why we're talking so much about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 9 (53:22):
Oh okay, I thought I thought we was on here
to talk about about.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Come on, let's let's talk about Let's talk about the
let's talk about like us.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Dam I'm surprised Zeke's still on the show. Oh he
bad Lebron Look where.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
It will be irresponsible if we don't at least talk
about the the NBA finals because we didn't we didn't
talk about that one time.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
So let's let's the NBA a little bit. What did
you think about?
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Start with you?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
What did you think about the final series with Okay
See versus Indiana.
Speaker 7 (53:59):
I'm gonna say one thing.
Speaker 10 (54:00):
I think TJ McConnell's the biggest surprise out of like
anybody who in mid season, this dude just pops.
Speaker 7 (54:05):
Out of nowhere. Normally it says he would I'm not
sure even be on.
Speaker 10 (54:09):
NBA teams, on a team NBA or in Indiana Pacers,
and this dude comes out and averages like eleven for
the finals.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Yeah, he's putting it work. And if you remember how Steve.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
And Lebron I think, what but a few months ago
was talking about how how good of a player McConnell was.
He's that player that you gotta have on your team.
Speaker 10 (54:33):
Yeah, dude, dude can't shoot threes, he's short, not really athletic.
He comes in averages eleven game in the finals.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
So but overall the series, Uh, did did it go
to where you thought it would go or did you
think Indiana was gonna get it?
Speaker 7 (54:52):
Well?
Speaker 10 (54:52):
I mean, I think he's kind of lucky the Holborough
went down, do kind of hat of high handcoming out
here three to four, seven minutes on threes.
Speaker 7 (55:02):
Dude, dude had he had nine.
Speaker 10 (55:04):
Points when he got hurt in seven minutes into the
first and that's like how much he had going into
fourth in most of those games.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Yeah, So yeah, I think I think I agree with you, Zegue.
I think that Oklahoma City was in trouble if haller
Burton didn't go down, because it looked like they had
a good flow going and they had momental. The team
was playing with a lot of energy and the importance
the importance of haller Burton being in the lineup because
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I think for the past couple of years, especially this year,
you know, he always lead the league in the I said,
the turnover the sister turnover ratio. He doesn't turn the
ball over, and Indiana started losing the OKAC when they
start having troubles when they turned.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
The ball over.
Speaker 7 (55:49):
Oh yeah, they had like like.
Speaker 10 (55:52):
They had like twenty four turnovers that game, and like
they have like three when Halliburn was in.
Speaker 7 (55:58):
It's like such a big between Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
They Yeah, they don't have a secondary all handler that
that takes care of the ball and gets everybody.
Speaker 7 (56:06):
And seriously facilitate.
Speaker 5 (56:08):
Yeah, and then and then Obi Timent had a bad
game too. He's been playing well the whole series. In
game seven he's kind of disappeared the myth.
Speaker 10 (56:19):
Obie topping oh Obie Yeah yeah, I think, uh Yeahsmith too,
come back to him. I mean, he's their kind of
spot up shooter. Without he's nothing. He had like five
he was like, he had like five shots that missed.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
Yeah he yeah, yeah, he had an awful, awful game.
But still they they was, they were in it. They
had their chances, even with those guys playing bad and
haller Berry.
Speaker 6 (56:44):
You know, it was a good series. Win seven. I thought.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
I thought the styles massed up really really good. I
thought it was fast paced, it got physical when it
needs to get physical. I mean, I enjoyed that series,
and I didn't really think that I would, but but
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It was it was.
Speaker 7 (57:05):
It was a really entertaining series. That was the most
finals I've watched in a few years. For sure.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Fact, I think I think it was. I agree with
you both. It was an entertaining series. We saw, you know,
a lot of people was joking light skinned back in
because the dudes were playing physical. They didn't you know,
they didn't fall to the pretty boy you know style.
You had Nim Hart playing physical against his boy you
know SGA.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
But but the thing that was the thing.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
And I think I texted in the group a couple
of times where it's just frustrating watching these kids.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
These guys play man like you watch OKC play.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
They get up, they're they're not a three point shooting team,
so that you get up bout fifteen twenty points and
then all of a sudden they fall in love with
the three. I'm like, why is Jalen Willims not just
coming down just trying to funk on somebody, or you know,
just stay aggressive. You let a team like Indiana, who
they thrive off of one and done and they shoot
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the dues, you know, they run to the corner and
knock down Freeze, probably just as good as the boss himself.
The dudes getting out, it's hard to run them out
the gym, so why not just go be physical get
them in. And it's not like you had any real
inside presence with him, So I think it just showed
a lot check needs to get in the gym. Hartenstein
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was just disappointed watching him because I think I thought
they were gonna do you know, the two man big
man game and just run the dudes out, you know,
to slow all that shut down.
Speaker 4 (58:36):
So that was disappointing.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
And then the coaching both of the coaches was like,
you know, Carlile, his coaching decisions just didn't make sense
at time. And then the young dude, I'm like, is
he trying to get these dudes like bonuses? Because you
got dudes in a game that really don't make sense
at the timmy, not that you know, not that they
don't deserve the time to play. And then why why
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Williams didn't play at all? The kid that was from uh,
the light skinned dude who was playing well against the
jok until they decided to put Caruso in.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
You ain't see that dude none in this series.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
And I thought he would have been a good fit
to be physical with someone like Turner, who is not
a physical dude at all. Get Hartenstein's ass off the
game and let this dude Willis play. So I just
think it showed a lot, But the series itself was good.
I think, you know, these two teams are gonna be
around for a while. And I think, you know, with
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tonight's draft and probably some moves that you know that's
gonna be made. I think Houston probably gonna push and
now Dallas's gonna push for some Western conference, you know,
but now you know you got the East. It was
sad to see Holliburton go down because I think he
I think I think they said he probably had one
and more historical runs like Cinderella stories to go from
being touted as one of the most underrated guys to
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also having some of the most clutch moments in playoff history.
And and like Zeke said, I don't know if they
game with a went the way it did, if he
would have stayed in that game man, because he was
he was hot. But they you know, the game goes
ebbs and flows, you know. But but it was definitely
a good series.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
And you know, it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Still shocked me that the Raiders, I think they said
it was the lowest rating since eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And I'm like, what what do fans want to see? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
If you if I better get it, I mean more
pointed out.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
You know, they're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
New fans in guys that like basketball, people that like basketball.
I believe would say they enjoyed the series, but I
think it's bigger than that. Right now, the NBA is
just kind of lost. I'm trying to get viewership in
and they doing a little bit of everything. But the
series was good. Back to the original question, seriously, was
great and what's your thoughts on the series?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I mean I thought that.
Speaker 12 (01:00:48):
I do think that Lou Halliburton and that ladder in
that Game seven was detrimental. I think it's real tough
anytime you lose, you know, one of your guys in
the game to finish that game strong, you know what
I'm saying. I also think that, man, you're gonna see
a whole lot of jokers now with Calves trains, being like, yeah,
I'm sitting this one out. You know, dependspecially depending on
(01:01:10):
how him and Dame come back, because everybody don't come
back from Achilles the same way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Like KD came, but KD had the Calves train.
Speaker 12 (01:01:19):
He trying to win the championship, you know, Caliburton trying
to win the championship. So I understand why you're doing it,
but I also am like it's gonna be real, like
you're gonna see some jokers who got these Calves trains.
They're gonna be like, yeah, man, I'm not ready to go.
I don't want to do it. I don't want to
risk you know what I'm saying, losing a year, you know,
(01:01:41):
even though it's the once Who lifetime shot, you know
what I mean. Like it's sometimes it's a business decision,
especially well Halliburton that he just signed. But if you
got somebody that's coming up on free agency or you know,
you got to thinking about the business end of it.
I think you're gonna see start saying a lot of
people make business decisions where they have them Calves trains.
But I think that Uh, I think that it was
(01:02:04):
an enjoyable series. But all right, I'm never gore. I
probably wouldn't like I enjoyed it, but I would never
watch when I'm on YouTube these games on YouTube again.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's not it's not
memorable to me, you know what I'm saying. It's kind
of like, uh, you know, we watched Okay, see I
(01:02:26):
respect what Sam Prescy did, Like I think that's that's
goat GM moves that he's made to rebuild that roster
to where it is and have the flexibility that he
has with all them young guys and studs, and so.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, man, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 12 (01:02:46):
With that being said, with that being said, the championship
come through Texas next year, you better believe that that
championship come through Texas next year.
Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
Well, Houston, we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
You, so you do believe in Cooper Flag. I don't
believe in Cooper Flag. I believe that it's gonna come
through dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We had listen, listen, if we.
Speaker 12 (01:03:15):
Was healthy this year, if we was healthy this year,
we make a run this year. Healthy the team that
they built for Luca and you just swapping put a
d in And I'm not an ad fan, but the
pieces that we had, we got everything. We got shooters,
we got defenders, we got rebounders, we got everything.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
We got everything.
Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
Yeah, you guys have about six or seven players that
now we.
Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Got nine players. What we're talking about, we're going.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Nine DC because you got Houston that's gonna say something
about it next year.
Speaker 12 (01:03:48):
I'm saying it's come to do, tell you, and it's
saying that we ain't worried about san Antonio. I said,
I said, we got we got Houston, we got San Antono.
Now we ain't worried about San Anto. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
I mean that was not even the best team in Texas.
Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
Krip were by far the best team in Texas. Healthy,
we're the best team in Texas. Houston Rockets came up
with us.
Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
See you this year, wasn't it huh this year?
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And then they got Bounce in the first round.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
But they got KD. Now, baby, all right, y'all don't
even have a Luca.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
We don't even believe in your.
Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Number one pick.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
We got we got mister.
Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Right now.
Speaker 12 (01:04:34):
You know, we're gonna come down there and wrap mister
glass and some gorilla.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Blue and and and so he don't get hurt. You
know what I mean. Don't get hurt. Kyrie come back
in January. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
We know, man, like a D is always the big question, Like.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
That's crazy, always bountful.
Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
That to Old's point, man like I can't not the
old point.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah, you can't because everything hands on if he's healthy
or not.
Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
You know, but you can't.
Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
That's like, don't you think that's uncontrollable?
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Said it again? Coach.
Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Don't you think that's out of his control.
Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
No, I don't think he worked as hard as he should.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Man, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
I don't think he You can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
You can't tell.
Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Me, biggas Jong, he comes back, how you work in
the weight room and all that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
This he always doubtful. That's what.
Speaker 8 (01:05:36):
He need a better personal training, bro.
Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
All he did.
Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I'm saying, you don't want to James.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
How you got Lebron James and your teammate and you
don't pick up some of his training regiments.
Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
I thought I thought he did.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Maybe you don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
That's how he came back to shape. He was in
You can see that.
Speaker 12 (01:05:53):
Man, he get start smoking cool in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Man, Luca got in better shape than eight he did.
Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Tell me this, You don't think that eighties injuries stem
from his metrics because of his height and and the
way that he plays that's putting a lot of pressure
on his joints and.
Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
All that that.
Speaker 12 (01:06:11):
Now the same height, the same height, and play a
similar brand of basketball, except more physical, and he plays
way more than ads.
Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Also one of the biggest frictionination.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
In me, I said Jannis. And so it was eight Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
Think it's nature NBA history.
Speaker 12 (01:06:33):
Listen, hey, listen, climb you do you find me number
six or eleven? Cat They got the skill set, the
eighty guy, the afleticism, the au A point guard.
Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Come on, hey, Christaph, hey man, you're a funny guy.
Speaker 12 (01:06:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You do standing up to know Howard Dave Schapelle Man.
Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
They used to call up Man the unicorn.
Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
Hey, listen, man, And that was Phil Jackson, bad gm
as called him in Unicorns. You know what I'm saying,
you can't win. You can't win a championship. If christ
that's Poisinan is one of your top three players.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
He got to be.
Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Actually literally he was one of the players.
Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
Tatum Brown grew holiday and Derk White was all better
than him.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
What we're talking about, man, He.
Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
Was a main He was the main center.
Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
White was better just out there man.
Speaker 11 (01:07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah, they trying to decide they want to keep Derek
White and Brown.
Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Derek White was the truth. He is the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Man. Look, I take I take Derk White right now
in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Dollar man to keep that dude in town. Posilians was
not even like I said, he wasn't even four best player.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Before we get out, before we get to five, I
want to just give Moe's opinion on on the finals. Uh,
what was your what was your thoughts about?
Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
From a basket I'll go I'll go quick man. From
a basketball periods standpoint, it was great. This is what
the NBA wanted with the second apron and things that
they're doing. But they gotta be careful with it because
viewership will continue to wane because unless you're a basketball peerist,
seeing Oklahoma and Indiana and there with the brand of
players that they have is boring as hell.
Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
Let's just keep it what it is.
Speaker 9 (01:08:33):
If you just tuning in and you scrolling by, you're
not gonna watch it. It's not gonna catch your eye.
There's no one on the court that you like. Man,
let me stop what I'm doing and watch this game.
If you if you're just a fly by night flan,
you know what I'm saying. I give you an example.
A couple of years ago when Jannis was in the
in the finals, my wife watched the game with me.
Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
I couldn't I couldn't find.
Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
It during these finals because it's boring to the average fan.
So that's what the NBA. They wanted with the second
Apron limited some of these super teams. So this this
is what's gonna be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
So So another big topic in news in the past
week or so was the whole talk about ring culture.
I know, uh, the podcast with Steve Nash and lebron
and it came up that and it was criticism about
ring culture.
Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Well, what's your guys thought about ring culture?
Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Do we place too much on on rings to evaluate
who a player is.
Speaker 12 (01:09:36):
A thousand percent one thousand percent? Because like I've always said,
man in basketball, football, man and ultimate team games man.
You know what I'm saying, like, and it's it's just
one thing that can change. You know, if if Michael
Jordan goes to Portland instead of the Bulls, you know
(01:09:57):
what I'm saying, Like he doesn't have Scotty Pitt and
he doesn't have him guys, Like if he didn't win
six championships, well he'll not have been as great as
Mac Jordan, you know what I mean, Like that, you
don't change like t Mac never really ever got out
the first round as the guy, you know what I'm saying,
But that doesn't change his greatness, you know, what I mean,
(01:10:18):
Like I watched Dirt his whole career. You know what
I'm saying, bus kg Ass go toe to toe with
Duncan bus Chris Webb Ass, but like he wasn't validated
until he want to ring. And it's like, man, all
the shit that has to go your way. Like and
I think if we talk tennis golf, where I'm solely
(01:10:40):
you know, responsible for me winning, but if I got
to rely on like you know, they always talk about
Lebron and he won't take the last shot. People have
to ball to Kyle Kover, who at the time had
the highest three point percentage in NBA history in the
short corner.
Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like at Kyle Kover, Miss.
Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
Mike Jordan passed to John Patson John Patson, and I said, damn,
Like it's that's that's but because my teammate didn't do it,
now I'm gonna be thought of as less.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Nah man, that's I think it's nonsense.
Speaker 12 (01:11:15):
I think it's crazy, you know, because like you say,
thing with quarterbacks in the league, Like you can't tell me,
Damn Marino. Now you're gonna take Trick Dilford over dam
Marino he's gonna take Eli Manning over Da Marino. You
know what I'm saying, he gonna take Ben Roethlisberg over
Damn Marino. Fuck no, give me damn ma Reno because
he can sling that bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Now.
Speaker 12 (01:11:31):
He just ain't never get into a situation where he
had the team. You know what I'm saying, Like, and
that's why when I always go I said, man Lebron,
what was impressive to me is that for what eight
or nine years straight, he played in the last game
of the season. You know what I'm saying, Like, he
played in the last game of the season eight Now,
he may have lost five but guess what five times
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he was against teams who was better than him. He
wasn't made four times. I don't know what I'll take
his Dallas, but them staying that Toyo teams was better
than than than his teams.
Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The Golden Said Warriors was better than his teams. You
know what I'm saying. So what do you do?
Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
You're like, damn, So we're gonna say, oh, he lost
five times, We lost five times to some dogs who
them two Golden State teams gonna beat anybody in NBA history.
I don't care what newbody say. You know what I'm saying.
The Kadie Warriors best seeing in NBA history. The Spurs
what they gonna buy. They'll battle with any Kawhi Spurs
you can put them, you know, with them with Tim
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duncanstill at the end of his prime, that they can
play with anybody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
But you're talking four Hall of famers.
Speaker 12 (01:12:32):
He lost to a team with four Hall of famers
on it, you know, and a Hall of Fame coach,
probably best coach of all time. So I don't I
never understood that ring shit because it's something that's new.
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
You know, it's something that's new.
Speaker 12 (01:12:46):
It's part of this twenty four hour news cycle. Because
in the eighties, you know, when I was growing up,
no one said wilk Chamberlain wasn't better than Kareem because Kareem.
Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Got six rings. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:12:57):
Wil Chamberlain was thought of as the dog because one
hundred you know, score fifty average, fifty average, twenty five rebounds, like,
he was thought of as the most dominant ever. And
it wasn't about no, well, Kareem got the rings. That
this is new ship Man, I hate it.
Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Yeah, see what's your thoughts on ring culture in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (01:13:19):
I think it's gotten a little over exaggerated the past
few years, but I definitely think it's still I mean,
there's gonna be a little leeway, Like if you don't
have any rings, it's definitely be a little.
Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
A little a little leeway.
Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
Yeah, you got two rings, this guy got zero. You
want that's the thing, Like, you made your team better
than your team on it doesn't matter how your team is.
Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
You won.
Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Now.
Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
I guess to a certain point where it's like Bill Russell,
it's like.
Speaker 10 (01:13:46):
You got eleven rings, but you're in such a bad
era that it's like kind of discounts you from being
able to like it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 12 (01:14:00):
And I say, I say that today's basketball is better
than Michael Jordan's Aaron Facts.
Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
It's better players. I'm better now they want killed, Huh.
Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
I'm talking about like back then.
Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I'm saying, I'm saying, we don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
That's that's the point though, Like we don't, we don't.
Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Know, you can't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I'm say.
Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
Two rings, Like to me, like that said Robert or
got what five or six?
Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Seven? Seven.
Speaker 12 (01:14:40):
Hey, how how many people are you passing by before
you get to Robert or if you need to, if
you need to come all forward slash power somebody who
played both the three and the four?
Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
How many people?
Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Huh about a hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:14:56):
So it ain't about individuals making a team better, because
sometimes you're just in a situation like you just like
I mean, James Harden one of the best ever. You know,
John wall is a great player. They just was in
bad situations. You know what I'm saying, team in a
bad situation, you know. So you know, look at Lebron
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before he left Cleveland, when the best player they give
you is Antoine Jamison or maybe Collins Boozer. You know,
Williams them was That's what we was playing with. And
he took them to the finals. So we can't say,
like a, well san Antonio beat them. Well, I think
it's it's outstanding. He took them to the finals, you
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know what I'm saying, Like he took he took some
plumbers to the finals.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
It's called for a reason. Du years.
Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Hey, dog, let me tell you something.
Speaker 12 (01:15:54):
Every last one of them jokes in the Eastern conferences
in the NBA slim they do that up.
Speaker 13 (01:16:00):
It ain't nothing about him that stuck some respect teams.
Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
Other teams the NBA.
Speaker 10 (01:16:08):
He said, what you try to tell me that if
you're NBA team, they can't be they can't be worse
better than you NBA team.
Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
I know I'm saying when you say the Eastern Conference suck,
that's half the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You're telling me half the NBA sucks.
Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
It's way worse than up half.
Speaker 12 (01:16:23):
No, I think the Western Conference was stronger, But I
also think people try to discount it because Lebron Lebron
was he was. He was just crushing everybody like that Indian,
that Indiana team with Danny Granger, Paul George, David West.
Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
They was bowling. It was nice.
Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
And stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
No, it wasn't. That's when Lebron was in fucking Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (01:16:47):
Okay, how were you think Paul George was when Lebron
was whin the two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
But I don't know. I'm just saying, but Mantle.
Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
Start following basketball in TI twenty eighteen. You know who
the White how it is?
Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
Is he sorry? Because he was on the Magic in
two thousand and seven. He was he good?
Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Was he good?
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
The white the white House, which is probably the most
disrespected player, right, the white House should be in the
top seventy five, and he's damn sure should be mentioned
for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
This year.
Speaker 9 (01:17:28):
Boston, he made year three together in two thousand and seven,
I think they were no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
No, in two thousand and seven, the Boston Big Big
three wasn't together yet, right, Yes, they were were in.
Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Two thousand and seven.
Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what pauls.
Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
They were together for four years? Remember true?
Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
True?
Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
They was gaven for four years.
Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
True.
Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
So yeah, so yeah, the Big Three of Boston.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Uh, the Chauncey Biller Detroit Pistons team who the championship
the way.
Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
You want a championship, all those guys, you had the
Big three in DC.
Speaker 12 (01:18:17):
You know what I'm saying With Karen Butler, Gilbert eren said.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:18:22):
It's just like people say the least it's because Lebron
was dominating. Like Lebron was dominating, and people it's a
way to discount him.
Speaker 7 (01:18:33):
Lebron's team of him in the Western Confince. You think
they go to the founds.
Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
No, no, that's that's that's the true statements.
Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
But that still don't mean Okay, so I don't know.
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
Part discredits the whole Lebron thes part.
Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 12 (01:18:50):
If he goes to the finals, you can say he doesn't,
you can say he doesn't. But he took that team
to the best record in the league. So when he
played that best record in the league, he was beating
teams in the way.
Speaker 9 (01:19:00):
But I mean, you can do that with anybody, though, man,
because I mean that at the time that m J
was winning his championships at some of those years, I
think the Western Conference might have been a little better
when you had to go through the you had to
go through Houston, you had to go through a San
Antonio team. So you can do that with any superstar
in any eraror you can take him from a different conference.
Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
But at the end of.
Speaker 9 (01:19:23):
I was about to say that at the end of
the day, to bring you home his ring coature a
little bit over it is.
Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
But Lebron did this ship to himself, That's what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:19:34):
I mean, he got on with not one, not two,
not three.
Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
But I'm.
Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
But everything that comes out of that man mouth too serious.
Speaker 12 (01:19:50):
No no, no, no no, non.
Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Wade said it.
Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
His active speak loud in the words Bro.
Speaker 9 (01:19:57):
He didn't He didn't go to Miami to sit in
the Eastern He went to.
Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Go win a ring.
Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
I get that mode. But that not you that come on,
you take that seriously as face value. He should have
been I agree with you more. And I think this
is what you're trying to say. He shouldn't have been
the one that said it.
Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
He said the right thing, but because it was Lebron
and what Lebron has been about since he came into
see and and and I know you're probably gonna put
me off the show here code real quick, so I'm
gonna go and embrace for it.
Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
That's why he's my number three in the goat conversation
is Jordan, Kobe and Lebron. Just like the ranking rings,
take all the rings away, take all the stats away.
The reason that I'm not really like rocking with Lebron
as far as the greatest of all time because Lebron
is probably one of the most physically gifted specimens that
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I've ever seen as an athlete period. There is no
way you can tell me that if he would have
just decided to go on the post and dominate the game,
Lebron would have won, probably more than what the hell
he won. Now that's my only gripe with Lebron. Kobe
ain't never chased Mike. Kobe ain't never chased Mike. He
was just patting his game. After Mike, Kobe didn't give
a damn about nothing but winning. He went out the
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mic do whatever. Lebron put everything in their perspective of
he's chasing the greatest. Now does that mean that he's
not a go no, but his game, everything he's done
has been chasing Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Jordan ain't having never chase nobody.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
And so when he says that, when he says that
that it, you know, whatever he said about.
Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
It, it just came.
Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
It shouldn't have came from him because of what his
whole career has been about. Now you can debate, you
can debate whatever you want a debate about him, because again,
I look at it like this, the minute Lebron won
the scoring title, everybody said that solidified semester greatest, And
I'm like, why hell the dude who held it for
the last hundred years you won't even consider him in
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top ten. So why is that something that you do
for Lebron? The thing that I think what happens with
Lebron is and cob I agree with you. It gets
magnified because Lebron sets certain things and he doesn't set
the stage for how and why he's saying it. If
he would have, if he would have kind of packaged
it a little bit better, I think the message would
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have came across as fond. But because of how his
career has gone, everything he's done has been about chasing
Jordan and being and because he said, I'm I'm the King,
I'm the greatest of all time, and he put that,
he put that on his own back, and.
Speaker 12 (01:22:44):
He didn't call himself the greatest. He didn't call himself
the greatest of all time until he went back to.
Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Cleveland and won it. But he said it though, But
so he said it.
Speaker 12 (01:22:53):
But like, like, let's it's a little disingenuous tag like
Lebron was chasing Like people were saying, like he's seven
years in and they're like, oh, he'll never as long
as he don't win a ring, he can never be
considered great. So yeah, that's exactly why he left to
go chase that ring in Miami. You know what I'm saying,
because at that time, nobody was They wasn't saying that
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They wasn't discounting Kobe rings at that time and saying,
well Kobe got three, but it's uh, he was batman,
you know what I mean. He was robbing Like they
wasn't putting them on the back of shock at that time.
They was just giving him the credit for having, you know,
three rings. So I understand like people, I think it's
(01:23:37):
with Lebron, people are gonna find a reason to have
a problem with anything he does. Like that was a
pep brolly. It was a pet browley, you know what
I'm saying. And he's not he dancing, he's hyping up
the crowd. That's the crowds, therefore it's a great day.
I didn't take it seriously. I didn't think he thought
he was gonna win seven rings because he didn't sign
(01:23:58):
a seven YEARGA deal, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
So I think that anything Lebron does, like even the.
Speaker 12 (01:24:07):
Decision, people hate it on the decision, like, oh man,
that's so self centered.
Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Like nobody in NBA history.
Speaker 12 (01:24:15):
Had on Lebron's level, had ever faced you know that,
you know, had had made it to free agency, had
had that type of uh you.
Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Know, circus around him.
Speaker 12 (01:24:25):
So he said, you know what, I'm gonna take some
of the mo you know, raise five million dollars for
the Boys and Girls Club. Nobody says that, They say, oh, man,
this man had a decision. Man, listen, I'm a Lebron fan,
you know. And if people like Kobe, if you like Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
That's cool. All I'm gonna say is, if we drafted
my guys still.
Speaker 12 (01:24:44):
On the board, you know what I'm saying, You take Mike,
you take Kobe, my guy still on the board.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I think that I think everybody's game has deficits.
Speaker 12 (01:24:54):
I think that Kobe was the most historical gun in
the history that NBA, and no one.
Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Ever talks about that.
Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
You know, Kobe had two years where he shot eighteen
hundred more shots than the closest man on his team
eight team hundred team was shot an that's twenty that's
almost twenty five shots a game more.
Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Yeah, this much. Parker was the second best player, know
what I mean?
Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
He makes much.
Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
Park was the second best player on Cleveland team. But
what happened with Mowayiams. He made an All Star game.
Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Make him better.
Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
That's you don't know what somebody can do. You shoot
eighteen hundred talents more.
Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
You don't know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:25:49):
But contact matters, man, Like the documentaries are out now,
we wasn't in the locker room. It's much Park ain't
coming the practice.
Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Who wasn't even the second best player anyway?
Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Why were you talking about?
Speaker 12 (01:26:06):
I was about to say that Brian Grant, they had
Lamar hold them man, a lot of jokers on the team.
Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
It wasn't so much powerable, wasn't the best Now, I.
Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Just I just think it just goes back to like
I said, it's Lebron. Anything Lebron said, they pick it apart.
I just think he because he said it, that it
got taken out of proportion. But you know he's not
wrong because look at what they're doing the KD. They
shipped on the fact that KD got tooings because he
went to go get it. But like like the boy said,
(01:26:36):
if KD hadn't a came there, they don't know if
they would have won with our KD.
Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
So how is it he chasing a ring?
Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Coming over there.
Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
They just made it look easy. So you damned if
you do. If you're damned if you don't, and you
got too many dudes. It's a and as we all agree,
it's a team sport, man, So what difference it means?
Like if a dude's great, give him his flowers? Who
gives it you? If he got rings? I think the
dudes who are in those conversations can joke around and
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have that conversation. But we on our side, who ain't
done shit, who ain't played the game, who ain't put
the time in while we talking about Robert or and
all these other mothers like they're on the team. So
that don't make them any better than the dudes that
are considered all time greats. You know, again, it's the context,
as Poole said, context and who's having the conversation. But
(01:27:22):
I think it's too much put on it, because at
the end of the day, you like who you like,
and you're gonna rock with who you rock with, regardless
what context.
Speaker 9 (01:27:30):
Context matters too, though, I mean context matters because when
you talking about James Harden right, like, let's go, let's
keep it a buck t Mac choked in a lot
of those playoff games the same way, the same way
that James Harden did. Right, So context does matter when
you talking about chasing the ring, if you talking about
a player who choked versus one who showed up. Now,
(01:27:51):
what I agree with Pom is that I think we
put too much on it for the greats though, for
the guys that show up day in and day out,
they was in a bad situation. If you choking, yeah,
ring that that conversation should come up.
Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
If you didn't, well, I'm thinking we can say t
mac choke because he never got the first round. That
that's not I mean that. I mean, you know, I
can see Harden because they was right there. They just
couldn't get over that hump. And it seems like Harden
always play is the worst game when when he when
he needs to play it. So I can, so I
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can kind of see the hardened thing. But t Max,
he wasn't even in the conversation. He was a great, great,
great player, leading the league in scoring, one of the
most talented players I ever seen in my life, But
he wasn't in the conversation come playoff time because he
was gone and week one too. So so we don't
even need to talk about. You know what I'm saying
(01:28:46):
in turn in terms of ring, in terms of ring culture,
I think it's too much emphasis put on it, like
like all you guys made fair points. If one is
a team game, right, one player don't win it all.
I hate when they say Jordan won wings, Lebron won
four wings, rings, this person won three rings. No, that
team won those rings. They might be the best player
(01:29:08):
on that team, but it took a whole team to
get that done. It took a great coach to leave
that team to get it done. It took a great
GM to put that team together to get it done.
So that's why I think, you know, the rings, it's
over emphasized. And and I think one of the reasons
why it is uh because it kind of started. It
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started when Jordan won all his rings, right, and with
that that six was used as a as as a
barameter and to to preserve who Jordan was, his legacy
in the league. So you can be as great as
you want, but if you didn't win six, like you
can win six rings, but you didn't win six in
(01:29:50):
a row. You didn't go six and oh so they
gonna move the gold post. They they That's that's how
they used the six. But if you didn't know any better,
you would think Jordan had the most rings ever in
NBA history. We don't, you know, you would talk about
Bill Russells eleven. You know what I mean, He's not
even he's never been in the Gold conversation.
Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Some people don't have him in the top ten all time,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
If somebody do put him in the top ten, it's
because he won eleven. You know what I'm saying. But
we gotta remember when this conversation started. It started from
the conversation that they was having on first tape when
they said if Giannis answered the Kupo didn't win another ring,
he that mean his career he underchieved in his career.
(01:30:38):
And we was like, what, Like this dude comes to
playing every game every season. He plays harder than anybody,
he produces, he puts up big numbers. He played on
both sides of the court. He's a straight up dog.
And you're trying to tell me because he only won
one ring that he underachieved, you taking you taking his
greatness away because of a championship. We see what's going
(01:31:01):
on with the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
With his team.
Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
We saw the changes that's been made with the Bucks,
and we know that free agencies, free agents don't want
to go to Milwaukee, just like free agents didn't want
to go to Cleveland back in the early early two thousands.
Don't nobody want to go to those towns and play
for an NBA team. So you're gonna have to get
your players from draft or trade because you're not just
(01:31:25):
gonna get some great players. Just open the doors and hey,
I want to be here in Milwaukee. Let's win championships
with the Greek free If the Greek Freak want to
win more championships, he's gonna have to pack his bags
and go somewhere where he can align himself with the
talent that's gonna help him win more championships. You know, Yeah,
(01:31:46):
if he stays in Milwaukee, there is a good chance
that he won't win another one there.
Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Do you think the trigger? You think he's gonna leave
this year?
Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
I mean from what he's saying, he sounded like he's not.
I thought he's gonna pull the trigger couple years ago
and he stayed. I was disappointed at it, So I
don't know. At some point I think he's going to
get tired of being there and the same old thing
every every single year.
Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
I give him, I'm out of here.
Speaker 12 (01:32:14):
I give him to December with Kyle Kuzman is his
second best player to be like.
Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
From Yeah, I gotta do it. That wu that will
do it.
Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
So yeah, so so so yeah so so that you know.
The conclusion is ring culture is overemphasized. My favorite player
of all time never won to ring, Alan Novilson, but
you can't tell me he won the baddest chest the
basketball court.
Speaker 8 (01:32:48):
He was a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
About my all time best player, Charles Barkley. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:32:57):
Charles Barker never won a ring, but I will put
him against any out forward in the history today.
Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Yeah yeah, so look again, late fellers. But I want to,
I want to. I want to stay in the show
on this last topic right here. So I want to
know from the note Cat Sports Show crew tonight, who
are your five favorite number one draft picks of all time?
All right, so I'll start with you, Coach Milton. You
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might you might go back a little bit ship.
Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
You know what man, I got let me let me see.
Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I got John Wall number five, who shot four.
Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Nice Larry Johnson. Now I'm pulling the name out Larry Johnson.
Number three when he went to.
Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Charlotte from out the US, okay, Garrick Roose to the
Chicago Bulls just changed, you know, all that Michael Jordan stuff.
And he put him on the back, you know, bless
his soul for all of them. Industry put up. And
then and then the guy you just named, Alan Iverson. Man, yeah,
I don't you can't get no better than that?
Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Live you lift off. Couple leave off.
Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Came man, he said, my top.
Speaker 12 (01:34:14):
I get it, But you said you can't get no
better than that?
Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
You like that?
Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
Top five is is cut?
Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Hey, man, I just put it that.
Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I'm surprised they put a minute in there.
Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Oh my god, how much your top five number one
draft picks of all time? All right?
Speaker 7 (01:34:45):
From one to five? Okay, Kyrie?
Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
Kind of nice?
Speaker 7 (01:34:50):
Number two? Uh probably lost.
Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
One the dream.
Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
Yeah, Umber three, Uh for lebron three.
Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Say, hey, that took a lot for you to say that.
I know that hurt you to say that, but I'm
proud of you.
Speaker 11 (01:35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Number four, I'm gonna magine Johnson. Here's here's number one, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Yeah, right, three.
Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
But Bird was what the second pick?
Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Right?
Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Or was he?
Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
Lory Bird?
Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
Larry Bird wasn't the first. I think Magic Johnson was first.
Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
He was asking which which pick?
Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
Tell me if I'm from wrong? But Larry Bird wasn't
even in the drift.
Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Wasn't he was already before magine?
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Oh he was?
Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (01:35:50):
What was your first?
Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
Michael Thompson had to be first.
Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Then if Michael Thompson was first, Michael Thompson, Yeah, Clay's
dad was first.
Speaker 7 (01:36:00):
Uh shoot, I have another brain for here. Uh a.
I I'm a.
Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
Good list, good list, good list. It's better than Coach Milton's.
Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
List because I left lebron off.
Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
You can't, man, that's why. Hey, that list is he blasphemous?
Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Because I look man, y'all tough man. Because I left
lebron off. You can't tell me.
Speaker 6 (01:36:32):
You just can't. You can't do that.
Speaker 7 (01:36:34):
Oh I forgot about shack bro.
Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
I would have put on your list and take somebody off.
Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Yeah, take off your list, man, get off all this.
You're here.
Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Shown to the door, show you up, man to the door.
Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
Show the door. Ain't my buddy? Who's your top five?
Speaker 9 (01:37:03):
So I got magic Lebron, Shaq, Tim Duncan, and Ai.
Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
That's mind.
Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
I like it, Timmy, Timmy d in there.
Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Yeah yeah, I like I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I like that too.
Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
Who who's yours?
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Pool?
Speaker 12 (01:37:21):
I had the same five said the same five the
same time, Magic, Shack, Lebron, Tim Duncan, and Chuck.
Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Okay, So so my top five, I'm start with number five.
Derrick Rose one, number five. I think you know, hometown
kid drafted to to Chicago and he really put in
that work. The youngest m VP ever laid that team
deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
So hey, looks question.
Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
Do you think he would have won a championship if
he didn't get hurt?
Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
He would have won a championship if Lebron wasn't in
the East that you talk about the least conferent. You're
talking about the least in conference. You didn't say anything
about d Rose and the Bulls.
Speaker 8 (01:38:07):
I at this.
Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
All right?
Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Did you see how Lebron guarded him in the fourth quarter? Uh,
let me stop, show, let me stop, let me stop.
So number five is is Derrick Brous. My number four
pick is Magic. Irvin Johnson six' nine point guard won
the championship as a rookie and and then the final
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game had to play center due To Kareem Abdude jabar being.
Injured hey, look, Hey, Magic, hey greatest point guard to
ever play the. GAME i don't know why people wanted
debate that, ever because there would never be another point
guard as good As Magic, johnson never.
Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Number.
Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
Three Glenn Big Dog.
Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Robinson oh.
Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Yeah, now if anybody know, me know That Big dog
was my favorite player for the longest time when he
was coming up through the high school ranks In, Gary.
INDIANA i was living In, Gary, indiana SO i got
a first hand look at the Big dog and WHEN
i find when years to. Come WHEN i started playing
(01:39:23):
ball and in high, SCHOOL i made people call me Big.
Dogs so that was my fourced people to give me a,
nickname and that was Big dog in high school because
that was my, Guy Gary indiana's.
Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Finals Glenn Big Dog. Robinson he was a dog in THE.
Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
Nba he get, enough dude. Either matter of, FACT i
think he should have won Won rookie of The. Year
it shouldn't have Been Jason kidd And Grant. Hill it
should have been A Big.
Speaker 12 (01:39:47):
Dog before you say, that just all flippantly the year
before because you, Know i'm A maverage. Fan year BEFORE
jk got, there we won twelve. Games the year after
he got, there we won thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
Six that's that's.
Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Fair that's.
Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
Fair that's thank J. K Bad boy was taking nothing
away from J. K trust, Me you'll never heard me
say nothing bad ABOUT. Jk top five point, guard never played.
Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
The, Game number two point guard of all.
Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
Time my, number my number two point god all time
Is Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Thomas give me J k or.
Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
So.
Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
So number two in my top five list Is Lebron james.
Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
The go The.
Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
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Speaker 6 (01:40:47):
Then your rifle.
Speaker 12 (01:40:48):
Men that man Pulled lebron a number two For michael
Olover condy at number.
Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
One oh, NO i would never say that Many Candy,
man not even top thousand.
Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (01:41:03):
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the number one. Pick it was Like Kwamie brown had
a solid. Career, yeah, yeah for.
Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
Sure for, cool that's ALL i.
Speaker 12 (01:41:17):
Got.
Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Zee you know you you the, you you the new
beyond the.
Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
Show you got any words for our uh our viewers
and listeners out, there. Anything you want them to keep
it on to a basketball season coming. Up tell them
about your game and about your, team what y'all gonna
do this, year and what's your, expectations your personal.
Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
Expectations so for the people, watching and we're in the G.
Walk so there's eight. Seams it's a pretty big. Conference
it's probably one of the.
Speaker 10 (01:41:47):
Toughest it probably is toughest conference In ohio and it
hasn't for about the past ten.
Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
Years but uh supposed to be a.
Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Your.
Speaker 7 (01:41:57):
THANKS i suppose have a little bit down. Here most
of our, teams big, teams losing some, seniors stuff like.
Speaker 9 (01:42:04):
That so.
Speaker 10 (01:42:07):
As long as we have a have an okay team
and some slashers and we have about little two shooters
me and it's one of a guy Named. Drew we
hit slashes of tack the, paint we. Win we don't,
hit we.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Lose so.
Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
You gotta do your, job, man do your.
Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
Job, yeah, sure for, sure and he and and it
closing remarks from you more.
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i hopefully get it's cool down in D. C. MAN
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like it's. CRAZY i don't ever remember being this hot
for three days in the, road LIKE i swear To
god it. WAS i woke up the one morning it
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way ain't no way.
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Yes, sir, So, how you've been doing, how you're feeling?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
All good?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Man?
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All good?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Just just excited to be back.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Hold look we gotta we got a stranger about to
pop in on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Oh dog, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What welcome?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, I'm back and I got ship to say, I
got I got ship to say. I'm back. For a
quick second, what's up, Slim?
Speaker 7 (01:46):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Basketball player?
Speaker 8 (01:48):
What's up?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
What's the bro?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
How you doing?
Speaker 7 (01:55):
I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 9 (01:56):
I ain't talking to I ain't talking to them. Old motherfucker?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What's good?
Speaker 9 (02:05):
What? Welcome to the show. Well, appreciate your for coming on.
I'm on the show for a quick second. I'm here
for a short time, not a long time. I got
a few things I need to get off my chips.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Oh yeah, well, let's kick it on.
Speaker 9 (02:23):
I'm kicking it off for them. I'm kicking it off
right now. I wanna talk about the last guess y'all
had on the show, mister Ethan High. That's the first
thing I'm gonna say. First of all, he telling stories
that's not true, talking about Oh Mar did this and
old dog did this.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's the hard we I want to get that straight.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You understand what set the record straight there?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
What happened was the gentleman, what uh?
Speaker 9 (02:53):
The gentleman bump my my fiance at the time, that
is now my wife. He was tired, she was she
was bending down, you know, doing something with her shoe,
and the gentleman hit her. I'm across the street and
he was talking crazy to my fiance.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So what I did was like a gentleman should.
Speaker 9 (03:14):
I came across the street and asked the gentleman, what's
the problem. That's how the situation started. You understand what
I'm saying. Now the rest of the stuff he said,
what's true? I did do that, you know what I'm saying.
But I just wanted to set the record straight that
it was. I ain't start nothing. Whatever the case may be.
(03:35):
The situation was the gentleman bump my fiance, and my
fiance and him was having words. So I came over there,
as a man should and told my fiance, hold up
for a second, you know what I'm saying, And then
me and him started to have words. Right, So that's
how the situation started. You know what I'm saying, mister
(03:57):
Ethan Hyde, you know or whatever. Well, we're gonna be
on the National Show and talk and telling stories. Tell
the story correct I'm talking about I was on it.
I'm way too cool to just start talking crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not.
Speaker 9 (04:13):
I don't even work, so anyway, I just wanted to
get the record straight so we can continue on. Go ahead,
I'm good, Hey.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, all right. So let's well, I know the draft
out to get started. I think the commissioner, what are
you about to announce the first pick?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Who cares you?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Should it?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Should? Should be? Should be about four minutes before they
get it.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I think they just did the introduction to the incoming class.
But hell, we all know who the first ship. We
know who the first two picks gonna be. The question
comes in the ACE, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
All I know is the first pick. I don't know
who the second pick is. I ain't been following the
NBA drift.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
So it should it should be with Flag one and
Dinner Harping.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Two yeast Bailey was projected to go three, but I
don't know. He didn't go to any workouts and didn't
do any interview so I don't know if that hurt
his draft status. What you guys think about he's barely
not going to to the interviews and working out for
potential teams that could draft him.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Go ahead, Zee, Well.
Speaker 10 (05:22):
I just think it's like, it's just what all these
dudes do. It's just not it just I don't know.
It's obviously heard his drafts, Like I.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Don't know what he was thinking. It's not like a
good idea.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, what about your coach.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I don't know because it's I mean, when you say
hurd his draft stock, what's really the difference between three
and six? Yeah, I don't think he gonna drop below
six because Wizards would be crazy to pass up on him.
I know it's a big risk, but hell, they they
need the risk, take the risk the dude. The dude
can play. Now the question would be is his his group.
(05:58):
I don't think it's the talent that gonna be questioned
with regards to him not showing up to these interviews,
but they they clearly like like, oh, always say the tape,
don't lie.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
The cat can play. He's a bucket getter.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Now is the risk reward factor more on the risk
that you can't trust his team? The guidancetead he's getting
so I you know, I don't know how much I
think anything after after ten he drops, then then we're talking,
you know, did he heard his stock? But I don't
think it's much of a difference between three six, three ten,
unless I mean you can correct me on that. But
(06:32):
what what are we talking about? You know how much
money were talking about?
Speaker 9 (06:36):
I don't know about in basketball and football, you're talking
about millions of dollars when.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
You're talking about three to six.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
So I don't know how I work in basketball, but
in football you're talking about millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So yeah, that's that's a big goddamn difference.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, But is it that much of a drop after three?
Three to ten code? When all it's not that much.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's less each pickre you go down, it's gonna be
a little bit less, but it's not. It's not a
big jump like it is in football, but it's still less,
you know, less, it's less.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
So I think the only thing he's risking is integrity
right now. Integrity and character. Yeah, you don't want to
go to an organization where people question your character.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, And the bad thing about it, coach. From the
outside looking in, it seems like he's a good kid,
you know, from from everything in all the interviews I've
seen him in and and and I've seen him talk
a few times, and you know, of course we saw
him on the court. He seemed like a good kid.
(07:35):
But I think it's the people around him. I don't
know if it's family or agent, manager or whatever. I
think they they giving them some bad advice.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Now I get it.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
I don't think it's gonna hurt him short term because
the talent is so great that he's going to get
drafted somewhere between three and eight. And that's what his
camp keeps saying, like, whether we worked out or not,
we know that we're going to go.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Somewhere in this range.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
So that that's the reason that they're putting out there
in the world. But my thing is the long term effect,
Like you were saying, coach, like what type of label
is going to be put on this kid by not
having interviews with the team and by not working out
with the team, Because one day, whoever drafted him, he
may not stay with that team. You know, he may
(08:24):
as a free agent want to go somewhere else, And
it's going to be that executive that he refused to
talk to coming out of college. That gonna be like, no, remember,
you didn't want to speak to us coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know we we.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Don't think you a good fit for our organization.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
So I think that's where it's going to hurt him
at in the long run when people because this leads
a bad taste in people mouth because they wanted to
talk to they wanted to see him so they gonna remember.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That in the long run, when it's time.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
To go to another team free agency to get a
max contract or any type of contract, it's going to
come back, gonna come back around.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
It's going to be questioned.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, And I think too, man, just from watching I
think I watched the Gigante Murray episode, man, and one
thing we fail to realize, man, is the media can
take a story and turn it and paint it any
picture they want to. And I think with this man,
he leaves that too much of that in their hands,
with the picture they want to paint him. Like I said,
(09:25):
I just got finished watching before we stepped on the show,
the kid he is, it sounds like he's all about basketball,
you know, he just wanted to get out there and
who but what narrative are you going to allow them
to write about you, because it's not going to be
about him. If you're saying you want to keep basketball,
keep basketball basketball, then you should go out and work
out and take all the questions out again. But again
(09:47):
he's being led by whoever however, and they're giving him advice.
And at the end of the day, I think we
athletes need to realize and keep in mind, you don't
want to give anybody unders to say, ability to paint
a picture of you that you don't have control of.
And I think that's the piece that's gonna, like you say,
long term effects, character issues, because again, you know, once
(10:10):
people put a story out on you, the only thing
you have is opportunity to prove them wrong. But how
much opportunity you're gonna get because now it's going to
be based on what situation you put in, how you
play bar and no injuries, and then you know what
what what people come back and say about you after
the fact. So hopefully he goes into a good situation
and he just you know, you don't have any other
(10:32):
follow up issues with his team, so we wish him
well at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, look like so the number one pick is in, uh,
we're assuming it's going to be Cooper Flag. What's your
expectations of Cooper Flag in the NBA? Because you've heard
a lot of great things about him and he has
he's definitely a talented young man, an athlete, and he
has all the metrics, So so what would be I
(11:01):
guess a fair assessment of him in terms of his
his his growth and development in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (11:10):
I think, well, we saw him play against those dudes
when he was about seventeen, and he was he dropped
I think sixteen or fifteen or sixteen.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Against those dudes on the USA team.
Speaker 10 (11:19):
Yeah, And I think he's good enough to be able
to play that robin role with Anthony Davis that until
Kyrie comes back, and yeah, when Kyrie come back, what December?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Maybe?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, so maybe maybe sometime after the All Star break.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Yeah, it's about right.
Speaker 10 (11:39):
And I just think you play that little role where
you can get that support for Anthony Davis and Kyrie
and they can kind of lead them on and have
some and then the future have a little bit of.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
Like leverage where you can kind of fall back on. Right,
you have Cooper Flag on the team, He's gonna be good.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
So are you an Anthony Davis fan? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:08):
I mean, y'all h no, no, no, no, no, no.
Are you a fan? Do you think he can? Do
you think he is one of the top basketball players? Like,
are you a fan? Do you think he can? Is
he one of the top players in the league in
your mind?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
Yeah? Went healthy?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yes, get get him off, get him off.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He hates he hates Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
He hates Come.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Come on, you say he's a dog. Hey, this is that?
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Hey the man, the man can play. I know you
didn't say he's a dog.
Speaker 10 (12:48):
I mean, yeah, he's the.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Dollar it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I got, he's crazy, I got, I got.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's all good. What school you go to?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Man?
Speaker 7 (12:58):
What high school you go to? Brother Ohio? You go
well Spring bro spring.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Boro, Ohio? Like how far that outside of where you close?
To Dayton Columbus?
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Where you are.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
What are you? Do? You do? You know what you like?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Any football? You? Uh old State fan? What do you
like football?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
I don't think that's a lot of football.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
But you pay attention to basketball. But you call Anthony
Davids a dog?
Speaker 7 (13:27):
You not like?
Speaker 9 (13:29):
No, do you see a part of being a dog?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He usually got to show up and play. He don't
even show up. He ain't no dog, he.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Said.
Speaker 9 (13:43):
But that's my point though, But listen, but on a
serious note, that's the point.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Listen to what Zeke just said.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
He said something that ain't that's fresh a young man,
that's a hooper, he said.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
When he's available. That's part of being part of the dog.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Is you always available, you always play that's about of.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Being a dog. And that's when when he's available, s
you're supposed to be you supposed to be able to beat.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
So what you're saying, oh dog? But but you always
singing out of him. There's other players that.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
I'm talking about, all them. I'm singing a glass man because.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's the worst one. He's not the worst, he is
the worst.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
He's a top seven player wings healthy. Here what he's
a top seven player wings healthy?
Speaker 11 (14:41):
Ever?
Speaker 9 (14:42):
Just oh, so you're numbers guy, So it's all about
the numbers. But you was about about what the average
and how many points and rebounds?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Right? You are number? How many points he had?
Speaker 9 (14:54):
How many points he had when he played against Yoka
Damn Ship in the fourth court.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I looked at him, what's one look up played in
the playoffs?
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Looked at him.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He had It's.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Called Hey, hey, here's here's the crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Here's the crazy part about Cooper flag Man going into
this situation as it looked like they just made the pick.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Oh they just announced the pick.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, okay, So so think about this, fellas, how crazy
is it that he had more pressure going to perform
at Dupe than he does going into Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
This kid, this.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Kid is gonna walk into a situation man, where he
is going to just be able to sit back and
just be himself. Like he ain't got to go in
and do nothing crazy. He ain't gotta go in and
try to prove nothing. This dude, you just insert and
play the.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Money is bad. Who's your favorite NBA player?
Speaker 11 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Yeah, like I like Gianna's But oh wait, you got favorite?
Speaker 12 (16:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Who your who your favorite NBA player?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
John?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right? Okay, that's a good that's now that Now you're talking.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
Now you're talking, but you're talking about talking about Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That I wouldn't. I wouldn't pick Anthony Day. I picked
you before Anthony Davis.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You play at ass.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
He's a bump. He's a bump.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
You gotta stopped looking at numbers because numbers can be cause, uh,
because numbers can be real conceason.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Believe that it ain't all about numbers. No money?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
What's up more?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Man?
Speaker 8 (16:53):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Man?
Speaker 8 (16:55):
What how y'all doing?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
We got gonna head? We got another Anthony Davis.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Man, he just walked into a trap.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
He ain't under sad, but but nah, man, like I said,
I think, I think uh, I think Cooper flag Man.
If if if everything goes as planned, they get Kyrie back.
I don't know who they're gonna I think, uh, they
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got enough money to go get a guard to play
in place in him, you know, to insert while he
gets healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
But man, just think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Man, you got him, you got Lively, you got a
d when he's healthy, you got Daniel Gafford, you got
what's that PJ like bruh, you just.
Speaker 9 (17:52):
Wait and we passed that bro a ship obvious you
what podcast you was coming on? He didn't tell you
that motherfucking old doghins on here today.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We ain't pass ship.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
You said, you Hady Davis fan. Now well I still you.
You still ain't gave me them numbers in the fourth quarter.
Ye all our listeners and viewers and ship to say,
now money more. I've been dialing these I've been dialing.
I've been waiting. I told we been talking this ship.
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I've been waiting over there and looking look over there,
try and find it. Z.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Don't worry about he trash.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
He trashed.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Don't worry about them.
Speaker 9 (18:37):
I guarantee you when you watch him play next year
you're gonna be like man, that's what Coach O told me.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He don't show up in no big moments. That's why
you shouldn't.
Speaker 9 (18:46):
It shouldn't take you that long on no internet to
find no fourth quarters.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Don't let him frustrate the zy just smashing the computer.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Come on, Doe, see, don't worry about every David stats.
We like you said, we moved past that. They so
more money. Got a question for you, So we was
talking about the flag. He's the number one pick. What
expectations do you have for him in the league? I
know coach Coach just mentioned that. You know, he had
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more pressure going into do than he does Dallas because
he's not expected to, you know, be the number one
option and the guy. Right now, he can be the
second option to Anthony Davis until Kyrie gets back and
then he'll be like a third option. But at some
point the pressure is going to have the mount on
him because I think that we're looking at him as
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possible savior of the league because you know, right now
the league is run by players that's from other countries.
We don't you know, American Superstars is agent and they'll
be out the league in the next year to three
years or whatever the case may be. So we looking
for that next American face and Cooper Flag may be it.
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So Mo, what's your expectations for Cooper?
Speaker 9 (20:09):
I mean, if we're putting those expectations on them, I
think they might be far fetched because to be that
type of player, man, you're talking about Lebron, you're talking
about Kobe, you talking about MJ.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
For a while, you had Tracey McGrady.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
Those type of players are once in the generation and
that most of them are prolific scores. I don't see
that right now from Cooper Flag. He has some development
that he has to do at the next level to
become that. And also those guys are dogs, Like maybe
I miss something at Duke.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
I didn't see that type of dog that you could
be the face of the league, and man has it.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
He just has to grow up and we have to
be patient.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
I think a lot of times we want the superstars
to come in and be who they are day one,
but it's growth and maturity. MJ didn't win a champion
ship in his first five years, Yeah, but he was
walking people up money more so, don't do that working
people up from the begetting I ain't I got, but
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you still dropping some crazy ship.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
You had to grow to. There's a Master.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
J show. He had to grow.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
He came in fucking people up and you can turn
into the last dance when they talked about him being
a rookie and how.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
He was going crazy, and so you don't think Cooper
Flag gonna go crazy?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Of course, Wait a minute.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Like money More said, he not Z So I'm I'm
gonna I'm gonna saying I'm gonna quote money money More
just saying m J didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Come into the league, right that what you said, money
More white.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
And when he didn't win, he didn't come into the league, can't.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
But what I'm.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
Saying is if we're looking so Covie's question to me was,
we're looking for a face of the league and the
only thing that right now is on ant Man's jacket
is he hasn't He hasn't won anything, right, but he
showed matturation. He got to the Western Conference finals, He's
played in big games.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
He's just maturing. He's just getting to that point.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
So I don't think that you can expect Cooper Flag
to jump at Man or some of these other players.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
K Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
I don't think he'll be on that level yet.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, I think he'll.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Come in and score.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Yeah, I think he'll come in and be a great player,
But I don't think he'll be the face of the league.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
For his high school coach.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Earlier in the pre draft show, Most said his expectations
for Cooper in his rookie years maybe seventeen seven and
seven or eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Man, that's a lot. Man, I just I don't know.
I mean, I have to I don't know, because.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Compared to Kawhi Leonard, to Scottie Pippen, to Jason Tatum,
and it was one other person he was, uh he
was compared to I can't remember remember who it was. Oh,
the young fella that played for Oklahoma City that uh Williams,
Yeah that night.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I mean you putting him in a sentence with Kawhi
Leonard and all.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
But I'm just trying to understand where money mother went
with Michael Jordan's. He went with Jordan's.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Well, we were talking about that. We were talking about
hold on.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Call me my man, if you talk for himself.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
For you because you didn't hit a question.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
But I didn't hear the question. I wasn't on the stream,
but I heard the question.
Speaker 9 (23:45):
But I don't think Michael Jordan needs to be in
none of these categories now, he don't. His name don't
even need to be brought up. And let me I'll
give what you saying. What you're talking about an average
you know what I'm saying. But Michael Jordan, that's that's
a totally different monster. And he was gonna went to
a shitty ass team. He went to the Balls. The
Balls didn't even win forty games. I mean, at the
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end of the day, the question was how how do
I feel Cooper Flag's game will translate to the league?
And do I think he can be a face of
the league. So my thing is I think his game
will translate. I don't think he'll be the face of
the league in my opinion, because I think is with
m J and and with and Man and all of
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these guys, we live in a revisionist history. When m
J came in the league, he wasn't the face of
the league. So what I'm all I'm saying is we
keep trying to compare these modern players and put him.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
In a p.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
I got what you're saying that you know what I got.
I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Now what you guys think about this?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
So, if Cooper Flag turns out to be the player
that we think he's going to be, right, let's say
he turns out to be a great player, first team
All All League, second team, Well, let'sten a first team
All League. Eventually, don't you think automatically he'll be the
face of the.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
League, especially being a superstar and being white.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Ain't but a question that's like a great, great combination.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Here's here's a question. Look at Kaitlin Clark. You know
she is, But Cole here's a real question.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Are we talking face of the league of American face
of the league, because we are. We clearly see it's already
a couple of faces of the league. Aya, Well that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
But we we talked about this a lot about why
the why the NBA ratings are down. You know why,
because we don't have any American faces. People don't want
to turn on T n T and see somebody from
Serbia or Lithuania or Czech or Slovakia or whatever be
in the face of the league. We want a home
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grown American player to be the face of the league.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
So you know why, you know why Jason and all
those guys to stand here for his for his.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know why they can't be the face of the league.
Why because when.
Speaker 9 (26:10):
You turn it, like you said, when you turn the
T n T money more and coach Milton and z
you don't know that.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's just playing on that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So bro, hey, but hey, so let me ask you this,
Let me let me put this out there because old.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
But here's the thing, though, we don't know we can.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
You play one hundred and forty five hours, play one
hundred forty five hours. Don't see Anthony and he's doing uh,
what's it called what they do?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Money more?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When they wressim? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Promotion?
Speaker 3 (26:53):
What's it called that promotion?
Speaker 9 (26:56):
No, when they wrested him, when they say that he's
not gonna play because of what's it called the Santayo?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
What's it called load? Load?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They all do that.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Brian James, does that your favorite player, everyone of your
favorite payers?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
No load man, my favorite player, Michael Joe, he didn't
do no load man.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
We're talking about the modern n B.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
A I'm talking. I'm talking about the modern NBA. Why
do you think the NBA is what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So here here's here's let's let's piggyback this one here
not too long ago, a couple of weeks ago, we
were talking about Holli Burton being underrated by his peers.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
So is it? Is it the league or is it
the fans? Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
When you got a clean cut DW Tatum, Halliburton, all
these dudes they don't want that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
But then they don't want John.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They don't want job because Joah too hood or he
into the problem. Like the league gotta figure out what
they want the face to be because you clearly got
faces out here. They don't want Halliburton to be the face.
They damn sure don't want Tatum to be the fir
How can you not have Tatum.
Speaker 9 (28:05):
As the face of the NBA and coach real real,
real quick though, real quick.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
I got to push back on that.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
I don't think they clean man, because Odoll pointed out
something about Jason Tatum last year, and he was right,
there's moments, and there's there's moments right where they don't
show up.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Oh yeah, no, no, I'm not questioning that. No, No, I'm
not even a Tatum fan. Because of just that that
dude has been this he he is what I call
him is he's on the floor and not an issue.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
He's steeling.
Speaker 9 (28:37):
So he ain't no place to the league. But but se,
But that's what I'm saying the league should be. You
can say that you want white, black prop great, it's
the joke joker, he don't show up. Yeah, that was
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my question.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Dogs, I have to team.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
I never I never want the team.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Want to lost. You gotta win.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Hey, they were ain't no dog, they were drinker man.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
I like Anthiy Davis.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
They were showing how lights a joker earlier and I
was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
This dude did a two handed behind the back past,
no look past and he shot it off with one
foot from half court. Like you got the face?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
You got foreign he's we don't want to foreign face
out of the n b A. This is American sport. But
they let me ask you question, want to forner NBA,
n BA go get these foreign players.
Speaker 12 (29:52):
I think I think if joking, if Joker has some personality,
I think he's just too bland.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
He he damn sure he over there brace of horses
right now, because.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
This ship in the NBA is easy to joker. It's
easy too.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
Ain't nobody no bombs being fired out there in the outside.
Ain't nobody shooting in the stands. But he said, I'm
not worried about nothing y'all talk about. Y'alla been in
mock country. That's the dog. That's why slab wall go see.
That's whyball rock out Zi talking about He like Anthony Date.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
He real talk though.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Man, I think everybody on here has played basketball at
some level, right.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
So y'all are basketball periods.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
When you talk about the face of the league, they
have to get somebody that don't know anything about basketball, right,
So when you turn on your TV, I think one
thing is undisputed when you talk about Michael Jordan or
Kobe Bryant or anybody like that, they were exciting basketball players, right,
So you didn't have to know anything about the game
of basketball to know that they were exciting players. The problem, right,
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if you're not a purist some of the things that
he does, it goes over your heads.
Speaker 12 (31:05):
And yeah, right sure, I think that's why I think
John was on on on course to do it, but
he just too stupid. You know what, I'm saying because
it's excitement. I think the Anthony David, I mean Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I think if he.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
Didn't set up for so many jump shots, if he
still attacked the ram and was dufing on people, then
he would no doubt be the face of the league
right now. But his game isn't. I mean, there's some
excitement to his game, but he much do TV every
you know what I'm saying, night, because sometimes you're gonna
go out there and shoot twelve threes and not attack
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the basket, you know what I'm saying, And that that's
not what's gonna make you, uh, the face of league.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Like that.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
If John Mourant would have been playing in these finals
instead of SGA, I bet the raton would have been
way high. People gonna tune in to see job. You
know what I'm saying. SGA just a boring player like
he nice, but you know, he don't really talk ship.
You know what I'm saying. I know that I'm I'm
from Lucas. Luca talks ship, Lucas showing big moments. You
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know what I'm saying. He ain't American, but.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And I'm with with I'm with more on this too.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I don't think Cooper flash game speaks that because it
was Tom's in the college, in the player in the
tournament that he disappeared. Now, he had a lot of
talent around him. But you can't disappear if you the
national player of the year. You come out you leading
duke and everything. And now they're comparing him like they're
trying to say he's the one of the greatest duke.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Players ever and I'm like, no, not even close. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I'm a Carolina dude. Man, throw him up there.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You know.
Speaker 13 (32:48):
What news was that he probably the bottom on the
draft pre draft store they did, they took a they
took a when they did a segment called the Main
Event where they went back to Maine and they were
talking about it, and then they at the end of
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they we said.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Right now they have uh he would be considered. I
think they had him in the top five duke players.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
Well, Coach Newton, anybody can do a once again, that's numbers.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Somebody can go through a segment such such such no cast.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Borts show and out of the six month fuckings on here,
three y'all gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Say, I'm talking about these these are the main analysts
though these are the.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, it ain't not no, you.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Know, I'm just saying that's the conversation that they they
get paid to push the nerve.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
No, that's what I'm saying, So his game doesn't translate
to that. I don't think Cooper Flag is gonna be
that type. And that's why I said when he goes
to Dallas, he's just gonna settle in and play and
do well. And it's gonna be hard to make him
the face of the league on the team that he
probably not even gonna be the best player on his
own team.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's not the third best.
Speaker 12 (34:06):
It's gonna be tough for him to see the Florid
Like I won't trade PJ Washing.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
PJ watched it the dog.
Speaker 12 (34:13):
There your mind he think the Cooper Flag better than
PJ Washing it right now? You out your mind, man,
That's that's that's projection.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
They ain't going to camp yet. They ain't going to
camp yet, and let them tighten that little young together.
They're gonna tighten up.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
We've seen them play against the best talent in the
world when they.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Clold up for a second.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
Though, Money Moe Oh coach Milton Zeke Freak listen here, man,
y'all they playing, They was playing against you, if I'm
not mistaken. Was the training camp not in Vegas?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Money Moe exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Come man, come on, man, money more training camps in Vegas.
Speaker 9 (35:02):
Many they come on, man, y'all, come on, this might
this might Z might not know about this, but you
you four gentlemen, Come on, man, training camps in Vegas, Kobe,
you know, come on, man, they in Vegas. Man, they chilling.
They trying not to get hurt. He going out there
trying to do his thing. He trying to prove he belonged.
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They just got Look, they just came out. The sign
and the steam run they just practice was at seven.
They just walked in the building at six am. Come on, man,
come on, man, let's come on. Let's keep it a buck.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Now. It wasn't like that.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
What come on, man, They wasn't they was They was
in Vegas in training camp. Cod you know you've been
in a You practices all star teams before. You know
how to practices go. And you also know that one
player we all know, even Zeke know this. At one
player you'd be like, hey, buddy, relapse a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It's not the game. Come on, man, we get.
Speaker 9 (35:57):
You trying to make the team and trying too that
you you belong ahead before I have to tighten your
ass up. And we started to do some real bump
out here. Relaxed, buddy, you know what I mean? Come on, man,
you act like they was. Come on, man, come on, Cole,
don't do that man.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
In Vegas party.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Man about what I say.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
I'm not gonna speculate.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
What the And he only mentioned that six six and
a half cool man?
Speaker 12 (36:24):
Really? Yeah, when at the Dream combine he mentioned six
six and a half man six, I'm just chelling.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Whats no this?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
They got a seven two wingspan played.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
With Hey, minimum, no, they are ready.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
They showed six nine seven foot wingspan here him and
Scottie Fifber had the same metrics. He's a quarter of
it is taller than Scottie six seven.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
They got it.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He was.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
In three quarters. Hey, can I ask you this question, real, lily?
How do you think?
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Do you do you real? Listen? Do you think this
gentleman is a good basketball? Like? What's your expectations?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Man, I think the Skis are living for him. I mean,
if you look at his sciences. I've loved them the
way you play. So do you think the rookie of
the year.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yes, yes, Kobe, you said disguise and limits. Let me
ask you give me a give me a give me
a comparable.
Speaker 12 (37:28):
Who do you think if Coople Flag have if you
think of his best who's his NBA comparison?
Speaker 6 (37:35):
And if you think I can tell you what what
they said?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I ain't asking what they say. I'm asking Kobe Turner.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
Let me think.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Man, that's your answer right there.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Because he plays defense me AND's defense might be better
than his offense.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
So who would he compare to?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Though?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Who?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
What? What comparison?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Didn't do that because I heard Hill, I heard Grant
here earlier this morning.
Speaker 12 (38:13):
I'm like everybody talking about him and grand Hill. Yeah,
Hill was a dog that there.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
So so I mentioned this earlier to the Fellas. The
comparison that they have for Cooper Flag is Kawhi, Leonard
Scotty Pippen, Jason Tatum and Williams that played for Oklahoma City.
I can see Wiggins. I can see that wayam the
body that he playing on. Both fans of the court,
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the athletic saysm. I can see Williams like right now,
I can see that. I have a good vision of that.
I really don't see the Pippen and Kawhi comparisons, but
I do see Williams.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, he's not he's not that. Why he's not like that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Why came out of college as a defensive player, so
you can't even put him in.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
That's what I say about I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (39:10):
Player Cooper Flag is not that he's not the elite
athlete that Scottie, Pippen and Kah.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
He's not that. He's not that athlete. He's not that athlete.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
He's thinking, Wow, I don't know about scotty crazy athlete.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Think you no, sir? No? Sure?
Speaker 11 (39:28):
Yeah? Ya?
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Wat's this kid?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Or ya?
Speaker 7 (39:32):
We just talking he's like a thirty eight.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
You have you evaluated this?
Speaker 12 (39:37):
We're just talking about it's it's a thousanders in the
NBA with the thirty eight is vertical.
Speaker 10 (39:44):
When like you're acting like he's like super slow or
something like, he's very like, I'm like.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
Good far positions and he can play on all more positions.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
What core position he's playing on?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Offense?
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Five?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Your head?
Speaker 5 (40:10):
You just still got hot bron because fan I'm a
Dallas about Luca Ben.
Speaker 12 (40:18):
I'm a Dallas Maveri fan, and I tell you this,
I was not excited when we got the number one
pick because they're like, we're gonna I would have mavitraated it, man.
I would rather go on, get kd man, give us
KAD for three years. You know what I'm saying. At
least I know what I got. I don't know what
I got. Like it's it's potential. But we all know
that rookies are rookies for a reason. Sim And if
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you look at the history, if you take Lebron out
of it, you gotta go back to Lebron to have
a number one pick to lead a team to a championship.
After before Lebron, you gotta go Tim Duncan's chat. So
that number one, that number one pick, shit don't mean
nothing to me, man, Like you ain't guarantee you to
get nobody to take you to a championship at number one.
Give me kadd think about it. We was talking about
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this earlier.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
The person's now on him to lead that team to
the championship because he's gonna be the second third option
in the.
Speaker 12 (41:09):
Beginning, Kobe, They like, listen, I'm gonna say the quiet
part out loud, like they don't like Europeans for real
in the NBA. You know what I'm saying, Like most
jokers they hate on Luga, they hate on on jokers.
You know what I'm saying, Like the players right there,
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you hear him talk shit about them because they don't
like they feel like Europeans. Get a white American, they're
gonna be on his ass. Everybody. Nobody's gonna want to
get there. Nobody's gonna wanna get their ass much by
Cooper Flag, nobody's gonna wanna get theirs by nineteen old
white boy man. Like that's that's the quiet part, Like
come on, come on, We've been in the locker.
Speaker 6 (41:48):
Room by anybody, but sometimes you just.
Speaker 12 (41:51):
You're right, and guess what, they're gonna be on it.
They're gonna be on it, on it just like man,
come on, you know that they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
They're gonna be on the worse than it was Lebron's son.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
But I don't nobody was worried about him busting the ass.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What I'm saying, not not that, not that hate, just
the just hate just because you Lebron's son, I'm gonna
show you you don't belong out here.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
You think it's going.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Like that.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, he didn't see the floor is gonna be out there.
He's gonna be on the floor, gonna be in the league.
So switching up a little bit. We've been talking about Cooper,
we talked about ed Words and all these other guys
potentially being or or maybe should be mentioned as the
face of the league. But one person we didn't mention
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is the NBA champion and finals m v P s
g A. I mean, is he the best player in
the league right now? Is he the face of the league.
I can't just win the championship and m v P here,
m v P that, And y'all don't even mention his
name one time.
Speaker 10 (43:04):
The other day the one thing, like you said, he
got the m v P, he won the finals. Well,
we I think we all, I think most of us
can agree that Yokis deserve the MVP.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
YO better than Why did deserve it? Young man?
Speaker 10 (43:22):
Well, he had the most impact on his team on
a team anybody in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So I'm gonna tell you this. Last year, last year.
Speaker 12 (43:32):
Lucal Numbers was killed Jokics, but yok was on a
better team and they gave it the Yokics This year,
Yokis numbers was killing sg As, but Sga is on
a better team, so that the president said.
Speaker 10 (43:45):
It's not completely by numbers once you have an impact
on her team. Jokic was Yoki's team without him on
the court, like points wise was minus four point seven
or something like that against all the other teams in
the NBA. This year, Turner a horrible team good against.
Speaker 12 (44:06):
We can't we can't call we can't call them a
horrible team when they got Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Uh, Like, come on, that's not a horrible team, Like.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
Come on, team.
Speaker 12 (44:22):
They just won the championship to r That's what I'm saying.
They're not a horrible team. Like yeah, So, I mean
when you say an impact, when you say impact, like
what they said last year with Luca Yokas impact made
his team win more games. SGA's impact made his team
win more games. So they can't, they can't. They can't
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more the gold posts every year. You know what I'm saying.
They showing that this is what we're gonna do. That's
what they do. Like so I was last year, nobody
in the history of the NBA ever went thirty four,
nine and nine ever.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (44:57):
But Luca was on the number five team, you know,
and Yogis was at I think they was in two
or three. So he got it. So this year Yogis
was at they was a sixth There was a sixth seed, right,
so they the tricks seed. They gave it to number one.
I got no problem with that, Like I think Yogic
is a dog or no question.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I think that he get it.
Speaker 12 (45:17):
But I think the problem with we can't we can't
be a microwave generation and say, all right, well, SGA
won the championship this year, so now he's a phase
of the league.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (45:25):
Like that, it's over the last five years and with
five different champions will have five different phases of the league.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Here's why he's not gonna be and in my opinion,
just in the short time, not short time, because he's
been in the league for a while and or know,
he put up numbers for the last couple of years.
But the problem that I think he gonna have you
got a people, a lot of people that don't already
don't like him because they say he get the files
too much. And I'm like, he earned that, So what
are you trying to put him in a hardened case?
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Like the dude understands how to play. He can get
anywhere he wants to the floor. You can't speed him up.
But I think he comes in and he comes in.
Uh to this situation where you got a lot of
people that's already disliking him because of the refs and
the whistles, because you watch the filers. You got people
already saying, well, he that should have been a foul.
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That should have I think even we talked about it. Yeah,
some of it is, but that ain't his fault.
Speaker 12 (46:19):
No, I've never seen anybody officiated like they officiate OKAC
as a team, like for them to be young, like
they get calls like the ninety six bulls, you know
what I'm saying, Like for real, they I ain't never
seen nobody reach as much as they reach Filer, you know,
like you could call them. I mean they are so physical,
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the referees a lot of him. To be so physical,
there's almost it's almost a turnoff sometimes, like man, like
how come they can get away with this? SGA is
just not He's just not an exciting player.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
Like and in the moment media, in the moment you.
Speaker 12 (46:59):
Touched, yeah, and he pushes off everything, you know what
I'm saying, Like this, he used that off arm, you know,
crazy so and then it's it's just Oklahoma City, you know.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
They ain't got no history.
Speaker 12 (47:12):
Uh so like they were fifteen years old, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5 (47:18):
The gold post Man what because because nobody he was
in Oklahoma City. Wasn't nobody saying he was He wasn't
a super some people saying he might be the best
player in the league. Now s g A here, Okay,
see he got it cracking out there.
Speaker 12 (47:37):
Let me ask in the playoffs in the road.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Let mention your question though, Let me your question playoffs.
Let mess your question. Let mention your question.
Speaker 12 (47:51):
You got one hundred, You got one hundred dollars left
your name right, and you're gonna spend one hundred dollars
to go buy NBA ticket.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Now you're gonna go watch k Dal. You're gonna want
go watch s g A Lebron.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
That's who I'm going to go see.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Right, I get it, and we know and we know
the answer to your question. You just gave me the answer.
Speaker 12 (48:13):
It's k D. K D is primetime TV. K No,
I'm just real, it's real.
Speaker 6 (48:22):
Watch k represent our D m V.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
You know k D.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
You know KD is a baller. But s g A
is getting it done.
Speaker 5 (48:32):
He's doing in Okay, see with k D, with Russell Westbrook,
with James Harden. What third Obaca couldn't do?
Speaker 8 (48:48):
The States teams of all time?
Speaker 6 (48:50):
No, you know what they ran against Lebron's.
Speaker 9 (48:53):
I'm saying he ran up against theirs first, they ran
up against the big german.
Speaker 12 (48:59):
He know what I'm saying. He had to shut him down.
You know what I mean, my guy in Dallas, So.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
Derek had a hell of a run.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Man, But the best of all time, the best of
all time.
Speaker 9 (49:11):
But I mean, honestly, you talk about face of the league? Man,
Has Tim Duncan never been considered the face of the league?
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
No?
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Never, not in my time.
Speaker 9 (49:19):
He's been considered a great right. But you have to
have personality to the face of the league.
Speaker 7 (49:27):
Yeah, I agree, Lebron's personality sucks.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Oh my god, Oh man, all right.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
At all?
Speaker 12 (49:37):
Come on, get this kid at jukebox. Man, that's why
he mad that Lebron left.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I get you.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (49:48):
I didn't take that. I didn't get into the NBA
till like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
He was still there at twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
Yeah, best season in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
He did.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yeah that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Hey anyway, what what what number they're on on the draft?
Who watching?
Speaker 9 (50:13):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (50:14):
I saw.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Utah so so a a.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yet we're Johnson from Texas?
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Okay, I saw I.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
He went to Washington. Yeah, he went to Utah, went.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Nice, okay, and we got in and Wizard's got the
shoot it with Johnson?
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Right, you said Johnson?
Speaker 7 (50:37):
Yeah? Yeah, get drafted yet?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Yeah? Who? Yeah he went to Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Oh yeah he was. He was projected to go to Charlotte.
Yeah number four right, yeah before with the four pick. Yeah,
they had him projected.
Speaker 6 (50:56):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yeah, he can play.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
I thought he was probably, to be honest, I thought
he was more consistent at times than Cooper was in
the big games. Yeah yeah, because you know, you know,
in my house, so it's Carolina versus Duke, me and
my son, and he he couldn't stand Cooper.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
He loves some Conger nipple and I'm just like I
gotta agree. We'll watch it.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Not not saying that he's a better player, but the
nipple showed up more in the big games, Like when
the games mattered, he came.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
You know, he was the one that I'm like, all right,
he's showing up more.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And the and the uh, the the African dude.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
That dude showed up big too.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Oh yeah, they had a nice squad man, So I
know all them dudes gonna get paid tonight. But so
that you know, we'll see what Cooper does. Man, I
think I think he has He's gonna have the He's
gonna have what he has more than any of these
guys we're talking about faces Anthony and joh He's gonna
have veteran leadership. He's gonna be catered to right because
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they want him to succeed, and he is going to
be kind of able to work behind the scenes because
he's again he's going to be the third option on
a bad night. He might get to when you don't
have say you don't get Kyrie back and Anthony Davis
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doesn't get on the floor, he might still be the
number two option on the night like that on that
team because you got PJ.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
Right, PJ.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I think PJ will automatically become the number one option
on that team unless I'm missing somebody, and then you
have Lively and Cooper Flag and Gark Gafford and all
them doing so.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
I just think he in the sweets.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
I think he's in a sweet spot. But I don't
think his skill set is going to ever be able
to get to the face unless he does unless he
just does something miraculous over the next year or two.
Speaker 12 (52:57):
Hey, coach, you know who I think his feeling is.
My nbig comparison for him, Andre is a dollar.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
I like that, and that ain't that ain't and that
ain't a bad.
Speaker 12 (53:10):
I think he's gonna be solid, just not a superstar,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
I think.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
I just don't understand why y'all talking.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
Why we're talking so much about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 9 (53:22):
Oh okay, I thought I thought we was on here
to talk about about.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Come on, let's let's talk about Let's talk about the
let's talk about like us.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Dam I'm surprised Zeke's still on the show. Oh he
bad Lebron Look where.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
It will be irresponsible if we don't at least talk
about the the NBA finals because we didn't we didn't
talk about that one time.
Speaker 6 (53:48):
So let's let's the NBA a little bit. What did
you think about?
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Start with you?
Speaker 5 (53:54):
What did you think about the final series with Okay
See versus Indiana.
Speaker 7 (53:59):
I'm gonna say one thing.
Speaker 10 (54:00):
I think TJ McConnell's the biggest surprise out of like
anybody who in mid season, this dude just pops.
Speaker 7 (54:05):
Out of nowhere. Normally it says he would I'm not
sure even be on.
Speaker 10 (54:09):
NBA teams, on a team NBA or in Indiana Pacers,
and this dude comes out and averages like eleven for
the finals.
Speaker 6 (54:17):
Yeah, he's putting it work. And if you remember how Steve.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
And Lebron I think, what but a few months ago
was talking about how how good of a player McConnell was.
He's that player that you gotta have on your team.
Speaker 10 (54:33):
Yeah, dude, dude can't shoot threes, he's short, not really athletic.
He comes in averages eleven game in the finals.
Speaker 6 (54:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:43):
So but overall the series, Uh, did did it go
to where you thought it would go or did you
think Indiana was gonna get it?
Speaker 7 (54:52):
Well?
Speaker 10 (54:52):
I mean, I think he's kind of lucky the Holborough
went down, do kind of hat of high handcoming out
here three to four, seven minutes on threes.
Speaker 7 (55:02):
Dude, dude had he had nine.
Speaker 10 (55:04):
Points when he got hurt in seven minutes into the
first and that's like how much he had going into
fourth in most of those games.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Yeah, So yeah, I think I think I agree with you, Zegue.
I think that Oklahoma City was in trouble if haller
Burton didn't go down, because it looked like they had
a good flow going and they had momental. The team
was playing with a lot of energy and the importance
the importance of haller Burton being in the lineup because
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I think for the past couple of years, especially this year,
you know, he always lead the league in the I said,
the turnover the sister turnover ratio. He doesn't turn the
ball over, and Indiana started losing the OKAC when they
start having troubles when they turned.
Speaker 6 (55:49):
The ball over.
Speaker 7 (55:49):
Oh yeah, they had like like.
Speaker 10 (55:52):
They had like twenty four turnovers that game, and like
they have like three when Halliburn was in.
Speaker 7 (55:58):
It's like such a big between Yeah.
Speaker 5 (56:00):
They Yeah, they don't have a secondary all handler that
that takes care of the ball and gets everybody.
Speaker 7 (56:06):
And seriously facilitate.
Speaker 5 (56:08):
Yeah, and then and then Obi Timent had a bad
game too. He's been playing well the whole series. In
game seven he's kind of disappeared the myth.
Speaker 10 (56:19):
Obie topping oh Obie Yeah yeah, I think, uh Yeahsmith too,
come back to him. I mean, he's their kind of
spot up shooter. Without he's nothing. He had like five
he was like, he had like five shots that missed.
Speaker 5 (56:33):
Yeah he yeah, yeah, he had an awful, awful game.
But still they they was, they were in it. They
had their chances, even with those guys playing bad and
haller Berry.
Speaker 6 (56:44):
You know, it was a good series. Win seven. I thought.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
I thought the styles massed up really really good. I
thought it was fast paced, it got physical when it
needs to get physical. I mean, I enjoyed that series,
and I didn't really think that I would, but but
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
It was it was.
Speaker 7 (57:05):
It was a really entertaining series. That was the most
finals I've watched in a few years. For sure.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
Fact, I think I think it was. I agree with
you both. It was an entertaining series. We saw, you know,
a lot of people was joking light skinned back in
because the dudes were playing physical. They didn't you know,
they didn't fall to the pretty boy you know style.
You had Nim Hart playing physical against his boy you
know SGA.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
But but the thing that was the thing.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
And I think I texted in the group a couple
of times where it's just frustrating watching these kids.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
These guys play man like you watch OKC play.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
They get up, they're they're not a three point shooting team,
so that you get up bout fifteen twenty points and
then all of a sudden they fall in love with
the three. I'm like, why is Jalen Willims not just
coming down just trying to funk on somebody, or you know,
just stay aggressive. You let a team like Indiana, who
they thrive off of one and done and they shoot
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the dues, you know, they run to the corner and
knock down Freeze, probably just as good as the boss himself.
The dudes getting out, it's hard to run them out
the gym, so why not just go be physical get
them in. And it's not like you had any real
inside presence with him, So I think it just showed
a lot check needs to get in the gym. Hartenstein
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was just disappointed watching him because I think I thought
they were gonna do you know, the two man big
man game and just run the dudes out, you know,
to slow all that shut down.
Speaker 4 (58:36):
So that was disappointing.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
And then the coaching both of the coaches was like,
you know, Carlile, his coaching decisions just didn't make sense
at time. And then the young dude, I'm like, is
he trying to get these dudes like bonuses? Because you
got dudes in a game that really don't make sense
at the timmy, not that you know, not that they
don't deserve the time to play. And then why why
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Williams didn't play at all? The kid that was from uh,
the light skinned dude who was playing well against the
jok until they decided to put Caruso in.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
You ain't see that dude none in this series.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
And I thought he would have been a good fit
to be physical with someone like Turner, who is not
a physical dude at all. Get Hartenstein's ass off the
game and let this dude Willis play. So I just
think it showed a lot, But the series itself was good.
I think, you know, these two teams are gonna be
around for a while. And I think, you know, with
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tonight's draft and probably some moves that you know that's
gonna be made. I think Houston probably gonna push and
now Dallas's gonna push for some Western conference, you know,
but now you know you got the East. It was
sad to see Holliburton go down because I think he
I think I think they said he probably had one
and more historical runs like Cinderella stories to go from
being touted as one of the most underrated guys to
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also having some of the most clutch moments in playoff history.
And and like Zeke said, I don't know if they
game with a went the way it did, if he
would have stayed in that game man, because he was
he was hot. But they you know, the game goes
ebbs and flows, you know. But but it was definitely
a good series.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
And you know, it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Still shocked me that the Raiders, I think they said
it was the lowest rating since eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
And I'm like, what what do fans want to see? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
If you if I better get it, I mean more
pointed out.
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
You know, they're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
New fans in guys that like basketball, people that like basketball.
I believe would say they enjoyed the series, but I
think it's bigger than that. Right now, the NBA is
just kind of lost. I'm trying to get viewership in
and they doing a little bit of everything. But the
series was good. Back to the original question, seriously, was
great and what's your thoughts on the series?
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I mean I thought that.
Speaker 12 (01:00:48):
I do think that Lou Halliburton and that ladder in
that Game seven was detrimental. I think it's real tough
anytime you lose, you know, one of your guys in
the game to finish that game strong, you know what
I'm saying. I also think that, man, you're gonna see
a whole lot of jokers now with Calves trains, being like, yeah,
I'm sitting this one out. You know, dependspecially depending on
(01:01:10):
how him and Dame come back, because everybody don't come
back from Achilles the same way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Like KD came, but KD had the Calves train.
Speaker 12 (01:01:19):
He trying to win the championship, you know, Caliburton trying
to win the championship. So I understand why you're doing it,
but I also am like it's gonna be real, like
you're gonna see some jokers who got these Calves trains.
They're gonna be like, yeah, man, I'm not ready to go.
I don't want to do it. I don't want to
risk you know what I'm saying, losing a year, you know,
(01:01:41):
even though it's the once Who lifetime shot, you know
what I mean. Like it's sometimes it's a business decision,
especially well Halliburton that he just signed. But if you
got somebody that's coming up on free agency or you know,
you got to thinking about the business end of it.
I think you're gonna see start saying a lot of
people make business decisions where they have them Calves trains.
But I think that Uh, I think that it was
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an enjoyable series. But all right, I'm never gore. I
probably wouldn't like I enjoyed it, but I would never
watch when I'm on YouTube these games on YouTube again.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's not it's not
memorable to me, you know what I'm saying. It's kind
of like, uh, you know, we watched Okay, see I
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respect what Sam Prescy did, Like I think that's that's
goat GM moves that he's made to rebuild that roster
to where it is and have the flexibility that he
has with all them young guys and studs, and so.
Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, man, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 12 (01:02:46):
With that being said, with that being said, the championship
come through Texas next year, you better believe that that
championship come through Texas next year.
Speaker 9 (01:02:58):
Well, Houston, we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
You, so you do believe in Cooper Flag. I don't
believe in Cooper Flag. I believe that it's gonna come
through dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We had listen, listen, if we.
Speaker 12 (01:03:15):
Was healthy this year, if we was healthy this year,
we make a run this year. Healthy the team that
they built for Luca and you just swapping put a
d in And I'm not an ad fan, but the
pieces that we had, we got everything. We got shooters,
we got defenders, we got rebounders, we got everything.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
We got everything.
Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
Yeah, you guys have about six or seven players that
now we.
Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Got nine players. What we're talking about, we're going.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Nine DC because you got Houston that's gonna say something
about it next year.
Speaker 12 (01:03:48):
I'm saying it's come to do, tell you, and it's
saying that we ain't worried about san Antonio. I said,
I said, we got we got Houston, we got San Antono.
Now we ain't worried about San Anto. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
I mean that was not even the best team in Texas.
Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
Krip were by far the best team in Texas. Healthy,
we're the best team in Texas. Houston Rockets came up
with us.
Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
See you this year, wasn't it huh this year?
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And then they got Bounce in the first round.
Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
But they got KD. Now, baby, all right, y'all don't
even have a Luca.
Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
We don't even believe in your.
Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Number one pick.
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
We got we got mister.
Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Right now.
Speaker 12 (01:04:34):
You know, we're gonna come down there and wrap mister
glass and some gorilla.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Blue and and and so he don't get hurt. You
know what I mean. Don't get hurt. Kyrie come back
in January. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
We know, man, like a D is always the big question, Like.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
That's crazy, always bountful.
Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
That to Old's point, man like I can't not the
old point.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah, you can't because everything hands on if he's healthy
or not.
Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
You know, but you can't.
Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
That's like, don't you think that's uncontrollable?
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Said it again? Coach.
Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Don't you think that's out of his control.
Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
No, I don't think he worked as hard as he should.
Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Man, I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
I don't think he You can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
You can't tell.
Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Me, biggas Jong, he comes back, how you work in
the weight room and all that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
This he always doubtful. That's what.
Speaker 8 (01:05:36):
He need a better personal training, bro.
Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
All he did.
Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I'm saying, you don't want to James.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
How you got Lebron James and your teammate and you
don't pick up some of his training regiments.
Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
I thought I thought he did.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Maybe you don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
That's how he came back to shape. He was in
You can see that.
Speaker 12 (01:05:53):
Man, he get start smoking cool in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Man, Luca got in better shape than eight he did.
Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Tell me this, You don't think that eighties injuries stem
from his metrics because of his height and and the
way that he plays that's putting a lot of pressure
on his joints and.
Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
All that that.
Speaker 12 (01:06:11):
Now the same height, the same height, and play a
similar brand of basketball, except more physical, and he plays
way more than ads.
Speaker 7 (01:06:21):
Also one of the biggest frictionination.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
In me, I said Jannis. And so it was eight Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
Think it's nature NBA history.
Speaker 12 (01:06:33):
Listen, hey, listen, climb you do you find me number
six or eleven? Cat They got the skill set, the
eighty guy, the afleticism, the au A point guard.
Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Come on, hey, Christaph, hey man, you're a funny guy.
Speaker 12 (01:06:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You do standing up to know Howard Dave Schapelle Man.
Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
They used to call up Man the unicorn.
Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
Hey, listen, man, And that was Phil Jackson, bad gm
as called him in Unicorns. You know what I'm saying,
you can't win. You can't win a championship. If christ
that's Poisinan is one of your top three players.
Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
He got to be.
Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Actually literally he was one of the players.
Speaker 12 (01:07:21):
Tatum Brown grew holiday and Derk White was all better
than him.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
What we're talking about, man, He.
Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
Was a main He was the main center.
Speaker 8 (01:07:31):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
White was better just out there man.
Speaker 11 (01:07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah, they trying to decide they want to keep Derek
White and Brown.
Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Derek White was the truth. He is the truth.
Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Man. Look, I take I take Derk White right now
in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Dollar man to keep that dude in town. Posilians was
not even like I said, he wasn't even four best player.
Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Before we get out, before we get to five, I
want to just give Moe's opinion on on the finals. Uh,
what was your what was your thoughts about?
Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
From a basket I'll go I'll go quick man. From
a basketball periods standpoint, it was great. This is what
the NBA wanted with the second apron and things that
they're doing. But they gotta be careful with it because
viewership will continue to wane because unless you're a basketball peerist,
seeing Oklahoma and Indiana and there with the brand of
players that they have is boring as hell.
Speaker 8 (01:08:32):
Let's just keep it what it is.
Speaker 9 (01:08:33):
If you just tuning in and you scrolling by, you're
not gonna watch it. It's not gonna catch your eye.
There's no one on the court that you like. Man,
let me stop what I'm doing and watch this game.
If you if you're just a fly by night flan,
you know what I'm saying. I give you an example.
A couple of years ago when Jannis was in the
in the finals, my wife watched the game with me.
Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
I couldn't I couldn't find.
Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
It during these finals because it's boring to the average fan.
So that's what the NBA. They wanted with the second
Apron limited some of these super teams. So this this
is what's gonna be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
So So another big topic in news in the past
week or so was the whole talk about ring culture.
I know, uh, the podcast with Steve Nash and lebron
and it came up that and it was criticism about
ring culture.
Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
Well, what's your guys thought about ring culture?
Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
Do we place too much on on rings to evaluate
who a player is.
Speaker 12 (01:09:36):
A thousand percent one thousand percent? Because like I've always said,
man in basketball, football, man and ultimate team games man.
You know what I'm saying, like, and it's it's just
one thing that can change. You know, if if Michael
Jordan goes to Portland instead of the Bulls, you know
(01:09:57):
what I'm saying, Like he doesn't have Scotty Pitt and
he doesn't have him guys, Like if he didn't win
six championships, well he'll not have been as great as
Mac Jordan, you know what I mean, Like that, you
don't change like t Mac never really ever got out
the first round as the guy, you know what I'm saying,
But that doesn't change his greatness, you know, what I mean,
(01:10:18):
Like I watched Dirt his whole career. You know what
I'm saying, bus kg Ass go toe to toe with
Duncan bus Chris Webb Ass, but like he wasn't validated
until he want to ring. And it's like, man, all
the shit that has to go your way. Like and
I think if we talk tennis golf, where I'm solely
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you know, responsible for me winning, but if I got
to rely on like you know, they always talk about
Lebron and he won't take the last shot. People have
to ball to Kyle Kover, who at the time had
the highest three point percentage in NBA history in the
short corner.
Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
You know what I'm saying, Like at Kyle Kover, Miss.
Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
Mike Jordan passed to John Patson John Patson, and I said, damn,
Like it's that's that's but because my teammate didn't do it,
now I'm gonna be thought of as less.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Nah man, that's I think it's nonsense.
Speaker 12 (01:11:15):
I think it's crazy, you know, because like you say,
thing with quarterbacks in the league, Like you can't tell me,
Damn Marino. Now you're gonna take Trick Dilford over dam
Marino he's gonna take Eli Manning over Da Marino. You
know what I'm saying, he gonna take Ben Roethlisberg over
Damn Marino. Fuck no, give me damn ma Reno because
he can sling that bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Now.
Speaker 12 (01:11:31):
He just ain't never get into a situation where he
had the team. You know what I'm saying, Like, and
that's why when I always go I said, man Lebron,
what was impressive to me is that for what eight
or nine years straight, he played in the last game
of the season. You know what I'm saying, Like, he
played in the last game of the season eight Now,
he may have lost five but guess what five times
(01:11:51):
he was against teams who was better than him. He
wasn't made four times. I don't know what I'll take
his Dallas, but them staying that Toyo teams was better
than than than his teams.
Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The Golden Said Warriors was better than his teams. You
know what I'm saying. So what do you do?
Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
You're like, damn, So we're gonna say, oh, he lost
five times, We lost five times to some dogs who
them two Golden State teams gonna beat anybody in NBA history.
I don't care what newbody say. You know what I'm saying.
The Kadie Warriors best seeing in NBA history. The Spurs
what they gonna buy. They'll battle with any Kawhi Spurs
you can put them, you know, with them with Tim
(01:12:27):
duncanstill at the end of his prime, that they can
play with anybody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
But you're talking four Hall of famers.
Speaker 12 (01:12:32):
He lost to a team with four Hall of famers
on it, you know, and a Hall of Fame coach,
probably best coach of all time. So I don't I
never understood that ring shit because it's something that's new.
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
You know, it's something that's new.
Speaker 12 (01:12:46):
It's part of this twenty four hour news cycle. Because
in the eighties, you know, when I was growing up,
no one said wilk Chamberlain wasn't better than Kareem because Kareem.
Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Got six rings. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:12:57):
Wil Chamberlain was thought of as the dog because one
hundred you know, score fifty average, fifty average, twenty five rebounds, like,
he was thought of as the most dominant ever. And
it wasn't about no, well, Kareem got the rings. That
this is new ship Man, I hate it.
Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
Yeah, see what's your thoughts on ring culture in the NBA.
Speaker 10 (01:13:19):
I think it's gotten a little over exaggerated the past
few years, but I definitely think it's still I mean,
there's gonna be a little leeway, Like if you don't
have any rings, it's definitely be a little.
Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
A little a little leeway.
Speaker 10 (01:13:31):
Yeah, you got two rings, this guy got zero. You
want that's the thing, Like, you made your team better
than your team on it doesn't matter how your team is.
Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
You won.
Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Now.
Speaker 7 (01:13:43):
I guess to a certain point where it's like Bill Russell,
it's like.
Speaker 10 (01:13:46):
You got eleven rings, but you're in such a bad
era that it's like kind of discounts you from being
able to like it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 12 (01:14:00):
And I say, I say that today's basketball is better
than Michael Jordan's Aaron Facts.
Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
It's better players. I'm better now they want killed, Huh.
Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
I'm talking about like back then.
Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I'm saying, I'm saying, we don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
That's that's the point though, Like we don't, we don't.
Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Know, you can't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I'm say.
Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
Two rings, Like to me, like that said Robert or
got what five or six?
Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Seven? Seven.
Speaker 12 (01:14:40):
Hey, how how many people are you passing by before
you get to Robert or if you need to, if
you need to come all forward slash power somebody who
played both the three and the four?
Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
How many people?
Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
Huh about a hundred.
Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:14:56):
So it ain't about individuals making a team better, because
sometimes you're just in a situation like you just like
I mean, James Harden one of the best ever. You know,
John wall is a great player. They just was in
bad situations. You know what I'm saying, team in a
bad situation, you know. So you know, look at Lebron
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before he left Cleveland, when the best player they give
you is Antoine Jamison or maybe Collins Boozer. You know,
Williams them was That's what we was playing with. And
he took them to the finals. So we can't say,
like a, well san Antonio beat them. Well, I think
it's it's outstanding. He took them to the finals, you
(01:15:42):
know what I'm saying, Like he took he took some
plumbers to the finals.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
It's called for a reason. Du years.
Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Hey, dog, let me tell you something.
Speaker 12 (01:15:54):
Every last one of them jokes in the Eastern conferences
in the NBA slim they do that up.
Speaker 13 (01:16:00):
It ain't nothing about him that stuck some respect teams.
Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
Other teams the NBA.
Speaker 10 (01:16:08):
He said, what you try to tell me that if
you're NBA team, they can't be they can't be worse
better than you NBA team.
Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
I know I'm saying when you say the Eastern Conference suck,
that's half the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You're telling me half the NBA sucks.
Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
It's way worse than up half.
Speaker 12 (01:16:23):
No, I think the Western Conference was stronger, But I
also think people try to discount it because Lebron Lebron
was he was. He was just crushing everybody like that Indian,
that Indiana team with Danny Granger, Paul George, David West.
Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
They was bowling. It was nice.
Speaker 7 (01:16:42):
And stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
No, it wasn't. That's when Lebron was in fucking Cleveland.
Speaker 10 (01:16:47):
Okay, how were you think Paul George was when Lebron
was whin the two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
But I don't know. I'm just saying, but Mantle.
Speaker 8 (01:17:05):
Start following basketball in TI twenty eighteen. You know who
the White how it is?
Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
Is he sorry? Because he was on the Magic in
two thousand and seven. He was he good?
Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Was he good?
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
The white the white House, which is probably the most
disrespected player, right, the white House should be in the
top seventy five, and he's damn sure should be mentioned
for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
This year.
Speaker 9 (01:17:28):
Boston, he made year three together in two thousand and seven,
I think they were no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
No, in two thousand and seven, the Boston Big Big
three wasn't together yet, right, Yes, they were were in.
Speaker 6 (01:17:44):
Two thousand and seven.
Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, what pauls.
Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
They were together for four years? Remember true?
Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
True?
Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
They was gaven for four years.
Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
True.
Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
So yeah, so yeah, the Big Three of Boston.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Uh, the Chauncey Biller Detroit Pistons team who the championship
the way.
Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
You want a championship, all those guys, you had the
Big three in DC.
Speaker 12 (01:18:17):
You know what I'm saying With Karen Butler, Gilbert eren said.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:18:22):
It's just like people say the least it's because Lebron
was dominating. Like Lebron was dominating, and people it's a
way to discount him.
Speaker 7 (01:18:33):
Lebron's team of him in the Western Confince. You think
they go to the founds.
Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
No, no, that's that's that's the true statements.
Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
But that still don't mean Okay, so I don't know.
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
Part discredits the whole Lebron thes part.
Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 12 (01:18:50):
If he goes to the finals, you can say he doesn't,
you can say he doesn't. But he took that team
to the best record in the league. So when he
played that best record in the league, he was beating
teams in the way.
Speaker 9 (01:19:00):
But I mean, you can do that with anybody, though, man,
because I mean that at the time that m J
was winning his championships at some of those years, I
think the Western Conference might have been a little better
when you had to go through the you had to
go through Houston, you had to go through a San
Antonio team. So you can do that with any superstar
in any eraror you can take him from a different conference.
Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
But at the end of.
Speaker 9 (01:19:23):
I was about to say that at the end of
the day, to bring you home his ring coature a
little bit over it is.
Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
But Lebron did this ship to himself, That's what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:19:34):
I mean, he got on with not one, not two,
not three.
Speaker 8 (01:19:41):
But I'm.
Speaker 5 (01:19:44):
But everything that comes out of that man mouth too serious.
Speaker 12 (01:19:50):
No no, no, no no, non.
Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Wade said it.
Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
His active speak loud in the words Bro.
Speaker 9 (01:19:57):
He didn't He didn't go to Miami to sit in
the Eastern He went to.
Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Go win a ring.
Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
I get that mode. But that not you that come on,
you take that seriously as face value. He should have
been I agree with you more. And I think this
is what you're trying to say. He shouldn't have been
the one that said it.
Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
He said the right thing, but because it was Lebron
and what Lebron has been about since he came into
see and and and I know you're probably gonna put
me off the show here code real quick, so I'm
gonna go and embrace for it.
Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
That's why he's my number three in the goat conversation
is Jordan, Kobe and Lebron. Just like the ranking rings,
take all the rings away, take all the stats away.
The reason that I'm not really like rocking with Lebron
as far as the greatest of all time because Lebron
is probably one of the most physically gifted specimens that
(01:20:58):
I've ever seen as an athlete period. There is no
way you can tell me that if he would have
just decided to go on the post and dominate the game,
Lebron would have won, probably more than what the hell
he won. Now that's my only gripe with Lebron. Kobe
ain't never chased Mike. Kobe ain't never chased Mike. He
was just patting his game. After Mike, Kobe didn't give
a damn about nothing but winning. He went out the
(01:21:19):
mic do whatever. Lebron put everything in their perspective of
he's chasing the greatest. Now does that mean that he's
not a go no, but his game, everything he's done
has been chasing Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Jordan ain't having never chase nobody.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
And so when he says that, when he says that
that it, you know, whatever he said about.
Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
It, it just came.
Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
It shouldn't have came from him because of what his
whole career has been about. Now you can debate, you
can debate whatever you want a debate about him, because again,
I look at it like this, the minute Lebron won
the scoring title, everybody said that solidified semester greatest, And
I'm like, why hell the dude who held it for
the last hundred years you won't even consider him in
(01:22:07):
top ten. So why is that something that you do
for Lebron? The thing that I think what happens with
Lebron is and cob I agree with you. It gets
magnified because Lebron sets certain things and he doesn't set
the stage for how and why he's saying it. If
he would have, if he would have kind of packaged
it a little bit better, I think the message would
(01:22:27):
have came across as fond. But because of how his
career has gone, everything he's done has been about chasing
Jordan and being and because he said, I'm I'm the King,
I'm the greatest of all time, and he put that,
he put that on his own back, and.
Speaker 12 (01:22:44):
He didn't call himself the greatest. He didn't call himself
the greatest of all time until he went back to.
Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Cleveland and won it. But he said it though, But
so he said it.
Speaker 12 (01:22:53):
But like, like, let's it's a little disingenuous tag like
Lebron was chasing Like people were saying, like he's seven
years in and they're like, oh, he'll never as long
as he don't win a ring, he can never be
considered great. So yeah, that's exactly why he left to
go chase that ring in Miami. You know what I'm saying,
because at that time, nobody was They wasn't saying that
(01:23:16):
They wasn't discounting Kobe rings at that time and saying,
well Kobe got three, but it's uh, he was batman,
you know what I mean. He was robbing Like they
wasn't putting them on the back of shock at that time.
They was just giving him the credit for having, you know,
three rings. So I understand like people, I think it's
(01:23:37):
with Lebron, people are gonna find a reason to have
a problem with anything he does. Like that was a
pep brolly. It was a pet browley, you know what
I'm saying. And he's not he dancing, he's hyping up
the crowd. That's the crowds, therefore it's a great day.
I didn't take it seriously. I didn't think he thought
he was gonna win seven rings because he didn't sign
(01:23:58):
a seven YEARGA deal, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
So I think that anything Lebron does, like even the.
Speaker 12 (01:24:07):
Decision, people hate it on the decision, like, oh man,
that's so self centered.
Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Like nobody in NBA history.
Speaker 12 (01:24:15):
Had on Lebron's level, had ever faced you know that,
you know, had had made it to free agency, had
had that type of uh you.
Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Know, circus around him.
Speaker 12 (01:24:25):
So he said, you know what, I'm gonna take some
of the mo you know, raise five million dollars for
the Boys and Girls Club. Nobody says that, They say, oh, man,
this man had a decision. Man, listen, I'm a Lebron fan,
you know. And if people like Kobe, if you like Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
That's cool. All I'm gonna say is, if we drafted
my guys still.
Speaker 12 (01:24:44):
On the board, you know what I'm saying, You take Mike,
you take Kobe, my guy still on the board.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I think that I think everybody's game has deficits.
Speaker 12 (01:24:54):
I think that Kobe was the most historical gun in
the history that NBA, and no one.
Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Ever talks about that.
Speaker 12 (01:25:02):
You know, Kobe had two years where he shot eighteen
hundred more shots than the closest man on his team
eight team hundred team was shot an that's twenty that's
almost twenty five shots a game more.
Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
Yeah, this much. Parker was the second best player, know
what I mean?
Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
He makes much.
Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
Park was the second best player on Cleveland team. But
what happened with Mowayiams. He made an All Star game.
Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Make him better.
Speaker 6 (01:25:41):
That's you don't know what somebody can do. You shoot
eighteen hundred talents more.
Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
You don't know what I mean.
Speaker 9 (01:25:49):
But contact matters, man, Like the documentaries are out now,
we wasn't in the locker room. It's much Park ain't
coming the practice.
Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Who wasn't even the second best player anyway?
Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Why were you talking about?
Speaker 12 (01:26:06):
I was about to say that Brian Grant, they had
Lamar hold them man, a lot of jokers on the team.
Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
It wasn't so much powerable, wasn't the best Now, I.
Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Just I just think it just goes back to like
I said, it's Lebron. Anything Lebron said, they pick it apart.
I just think he because he said it, that it
got taken out of proportion. But you know he's not
wrong because look at what they're doing the KD. They
shipped on the fact that KD got tooings because he
went to go get it. But like like the boy said,
(01:26:36):
if KD hadn't a came there, they don't know if
they would have won with our KD.
Speaker 6 (01:26:39):
So how is it he chasing a ring?
Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
Coming over there.
Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
They just made it look easy. So you damned if
you do. If you're damned if you don't, and you
got too many dudes. It's a and as we all agree,
it's a team sport, man, So what difference it means?
Like if a dude's great, give him his flowers? Who
gives it you? If he got rings? I think the
dudes who are in those conversations can joke around and
(01:27:02):
have that conversation. But we on our side, who ain't
done shit, who ain't played the game, who ain't put
the time in while we talking about Robert or and
all these other mothers like they're on the team. So
that don't make them any better than the dudes that
are considered all time greats. You know, again, it's the context,
as Poole said, context and who's having the conversation. But
(01:27:22):
I think it's too much put on it, because at
the end of the day, you like who you like,
and you're gonna rock with who you rock with, regardless
what context.
Speaker 9 (01:27:30):
Context matters too, though, I mean context matters because when
you talking about James Harden right, like, let's go, let's
keep it a buck t Mac choked in a lot
of those playoff games the same way, the same way
that James Harden did. Right, So context does matter when
you talking about chasing the ring, if you talking about
a player who choked versus one who showed up. Now,
(01:27:51):
what I agree with Pom is that I think we
put too much on it for the greats though, for
the guys that show up day in and day out,
they was in a bad situation. If you choking, yeah,
ring that that conversation should come up.
Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
If you didn't, well, I'm thinking we can say t
mac choke because he never got the first round. That
that's not I mean that. I mean, you know, I
can see Harden because they was right there. They just
couldn't get over that hump. And it seems like Harden
always play is the worst game when when he when
he needs to play it. So I can, so I
(01:28:26):
can kind of see the hardened thing. But t Max,
he wasn't even in the conversation. He was a great, great,
great player, leading the league in scoring, one of the
most talented players I ever seen in my life, But
he wasn't in the conversation come playoff time because he
was gone and week one too. So so we don't
even need to talk about. You know what I'm saying
(01:28:46):
in turn in terms of ring, in terms of ring culture,
I think it's too much emphasis put on it, like
like all you guys made fair points. If one is
a team game, right, one player don't win it all.
I hate when they say Jordan won wings, Lebron won
four wings, rings, this person won three rings. No, that
team won those rings. They might be the best player
(01:29:08):
on that team, but it took a whole team to
get that done. It took a great coach to leave
that team to get it done. It took a great
GM to put that team together to get it done.
So that's why I think, you know, the rings, it's
over emphasized. And and I think one of the reasons
why it is uh because it kind of started. It
(01:29:30):
started when Jordan won all his rings, right, and with
that that six was used as a as as a
barameter and to to preserve who Jordan was, his legacy
in the league. So you can be as great as
you want, but if you didn't win six, like you
can win six rings, but you didn't win six in
(01:29:50):
a row. You didn't go six and oh so they
gonna move the gold post. They they That's that's how
they used the six. But if you didn't know any better,
you would think Jordan had the most rings ever in
NBA history. We don't, you know, you would talk about
Bill Russells eleven. You know what I mean, He's not
even he's never been in the Gold conversation.
Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
Some people don't have him in the top ten all time,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
If somebody do put him in the top ten, it's
because he won eleven. You know what I'm saying. But
we gotta remember when this conversation started. It started from
the conversation that they was having on first tape when
they said if Giannis answered the Kupo didn't win another ring,
he that mean his career he underchieved in his career.
(01:30:38):
And we was like, what, Like this dude comes to
playing every game every season. He plays harder than anybody,
he produces, he puts up big numbers. He played on
both sides of the court. He's a straight up dog.
And you're trying to tell me because he only won
one ring that he underachieved, you taking you taking his
greatness away because of a championship. We see what's going
(01:31:01):
on with the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
With his team.
Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
We saw the changes that's been made with the Bucks,
and we know that free agencies, free agents don't want
to go to Milwaukee, just like free agents didn't want
to go to Cleveland back in the early early two thousands.
Don't nobody want to go to those towns and play
for an NBA team. So you're gonna have to get
your players from draft or trade because you're not just
(01:31:25):
gonna get some great players. Just open the doors and hey,
I want to be here in Milwaukee. Let's win championships
with the Greek free If the Greek Freak want to
win more championships, he's gonna have to pack his bags
and go somewhere where he can align himself with the
talent that's gonna help him win more championships. You know, Yeah,
(01:31:46):
if he stays in Milwaukee, there is a good chance
that he won't win another one there.
Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Do you think the trigger? You think he's gonna leave
this year?
Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
I mean from what he's saying, he sounded like he's not.
I thought he's gonna pull the trigger couple years ago
and he stayed. I was disappointed at it, So I
don't know. At some point I think he's going to
get tired of being there and the same old thing
every every single year.
Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
I give him, I'm out of here.
Speaker 12 (01:32:14):
I give him to December with Kyle Kuzman is his
second best player to be like.
Speaker 6 (01:32:22):
From Yeah, I gotta do it. That wu that will
do it.
Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
So yeah, so so so yeah so so that you know.
The conclusion is ring culture is overemphasized. My favorite player
of all time never won to ring, Alan Novilson, but
you can't tell me he won the baddest chest the
basketball court.
Speaker 8 (01:32:48):
He was a dog.
Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
About my all time best player, Charles Barkley. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (01:32:57):
Charles Barker never won a ring, but I will put
him against any out forward in the history today.
Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
Yeah yeah, so look again, late fellers. But I want to,
I want to. I want to stay in the show
on this last topic right here. So I want to
know from the note Cat Sports Show crew tonight, who
are your five favorite number one draft picks of all time?
All right, so I'll start with you, Coach Milton. You
(01:33:25):
might you might go back a little bit ship.
Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
You know what man, I got let me let me see.
Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I got John Wall number five, who shot four.
Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Nice Larry Johnson. Now I'm pulling the name out Larry Johnson.
Number three when he went to.
Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Charlotte from out the US, okay, Garrick Roose to the
Chicago Bulls just changed, you know, all that Michael Jordan stuff.
And he put him on the back, you know, bless
his soul for all of them. Industry put up. And
then and then the guy you just named, Alan Iverson. Man, yeah,
I don't you can't get no better than that?
Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Live you lift off. Couple leave off.
Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Came man, he said, my top.
Speaker 12 (01:34:14):
I get it, But you said you can't get no
better than that?
Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
You like that?
Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
Top five is is cut?
Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Hey, man, I just put it that.
Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I'm surprised they put a minute in there.
Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
Oh my god, how much your top five number one
draft picks of all time? All right?
Speaker 7 (01:34:45):
From one to five? Okay, Kyrie?
Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
Kind of nice?
Speaker 7 (01:34:50):
Number two? Uh probably lost.
Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
One the dream.
Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
Yeah, Umber three, Uh for lebron three.
Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Say, hey, that took a lot for you to say that.
I know that hurt you to say that, but I'm
proud of you.
Speaker 11 (01:35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:35:16):
Number four, I'm gonna magine Johnson. Here's here's number one, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
Yeah, right, three.
Speaker 6 (01:35:26):
But Bird was what the second pick?
Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Right?
Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Or was he?
Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:35:30):
Lory Bird?
Speaker 8 (01:35:31):
Larry Bird wasn't the first. I think Magic Johnson was first.
Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah he was.
Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
He was asking which which pick?
Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
Tell me if I'm from wrong? But Larry Bird wasn't
even in the drift.
Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Wasn't he was already before magine?
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Oh he was?
Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (01:35:50):
What was your first?
Speaker 8 (01:35:52):
Michael Thompson had to be first.
Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Then if Michael Thompson was first, Michael Thompson, Yeah, Clay's
dad was first.
Speaker 7 (01:36:00):
Uh shoot, I have another brain for here. Uh a.
I I'm a.
Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
Good list, good list, good list. It's better than Coach Milton's.
Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
List because I left lebron off.
Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
You can't, man, that's why. Hey, that list is he blasphemous?
Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Because I look man, y'all tough man. Because I left
lebron off. You can't tell me.
Speaker 6 (01:36:32):
You just can't. You can't do that.
Speaker 7 (01:36:34):
Oh I forgot about shack bro.
Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
I would have put on your list and take somebody off.
Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Yeah, take off your list, man, get off all this.
You're here.
Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Shown to the door, show you up, man to the door.
Speaker 6 (01:36:55):
Show the door. Ain't my buddy? Who's your top five?
Speaker 9 (01:37:03):
So I got magic Lebron, Shaq, Tim Duncan, and Ai.
Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
That's mind.
Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
I like it, Timmy, Timmy d in there.
Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Yeah yeah, I like I like that.
Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
I like that too.
Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
Who who's yours?
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Pool?
Speaker 12 (01:37:21):
I had the same five said the same five the
same time, Magic, Shack, Lebron, Tim Duncan, and Chuck.
Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Okay, So so my top five, I'm start with number five.
Derrick Rose one, number five. I think you know, hometown
kid drafted to to Chicago and he really put in
that work. The youngest m VP ever laid that team
deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
So hey, looks question.
Speaker 7 (01:37:51):
Do you think he would have won a championship if
he didn't get hurt?
Speaker 5 (01:37:54):
He would have won a championship if Lebron wasn't in
the East that you talk about the least conferent. You're
talking about the least in conference. You didn't say anything
about d Rose and the Bulls.
Speaker 8 (01:38:07):
I at this.
Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
All right?
Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Did you see how Lebron guarded him in the fourth quarter? Uh,
let me stop, show, let me stop, let me stop.
So number five is is Derrick Brous. My number four
pick is Magic. Irvin Johnson six' nine point guard won
the championship as a rookie and and then the final
(01:38:36):
game had to play center due To Kareem Abdude jabar being.
Injured hey, look, Hey, Magic, hey greatest point guard to
ever play the. GAME i don't know why people wanted
debate that, ever because there would never be another point
guard as good As Magic, johnson never.
Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Number.
Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
Three Glenn Big Dog.
Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Robinson oh.
Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
Yeah, now if anybody know, me know That Big dog
was my favorite player for the longest time when he
was coming up through the high school ranks In, Gary.
INDIANA i was living In, Gary, indiana SO i got
a first hand look at the Big dog and WHEN
i find when years to. Come WHEN i started playing
(01:39:23):
ball and in high, SCHOOL i made people call me Big.
Dogs so that was my fourced people to give me a,
nickname and that was Big dog in high school because
that was my, Guy Gary indiana's.
Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
Finals Glenn Big Dog. Robinson he was a dog in THE.
Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
Nba he get, enough dude. Either matter of, FACT i
think he should have won Won rookie of The. Year
it shouldn't have Been Jason kidd And Grant. Hill it
should have been A Big.
Speaker 12 (01:39:47):
Dog before you say, that just all flippantly the year
before because you, Know i'm A maverage. Fan year BEFORE
jk got, there we won twelve. Games the year after
he got, there we won thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:39:59):
Six that's that's.
Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Fair that's.
Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
Fair that's thank J. K Bad boy was taking nothing
away from J. K trust, Me you'll never heard me
say nothing bad ABOUT. Jk top five point, guard never played.
Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
The, Game number two point guard of all.
Speaker 6 (01:40:14):
Time my, number my number two point god all time
Is Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Thomas give me J k or.
Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
So.
Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
So number two in my top five list Is Lebron james.
Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
The go The.
Speaker 6 (01:40:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
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Speaker 6 (01:40:47):
Then your rifle.
Speaker 12 (01:40:48):
Men that man Pulled lebron a number two For michael
Olover condy at number.
Speaker 5 (01:40:56):
One oh, NO i would never say that Many Candy,
man not even top thousand.
Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (01:41:03):
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the number one. Pick it was Like Kwamie brown had
a solid. Career, yeah, yeah for.
Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
Sure for, cool that's ALL i.
Speaker 12 (01:41:17):
Got.
Speaker 6 (01:41:17):
Zee you know you you the, you you the new
beyond the.
Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
Show you got any words for our uh our viewers
and listeners out, there. Anything you want them to keep
it on to a basketball season coming. Up tell them
about your game and about your, team what y'all gonna
do this, year and what's your, expectations your personal.
Speaker 7 (01:41:39):
Expectations so for the people, watching and we're in the G.
Walk so there's eight. Seams it's a pretty big. Conference
it's probably one of the.
Speaker 10 (01:41:47):
Toughest it probably is toughest conference In ohio and it
hasn't for about the past ten.
Speaker 7 (01:41:52):
Years but uh supposed to be a.
Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Your.
Speaker 7 (01:41:57):
THANKS i suppose have a little bit down. Here most
of our, teams big, teams losing some, seniors stuff like.
Speaker 9 (01:42:04):
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Speaker 10 (01:42:07):
As long as we have a have an okay team
and some slashers and we have about little two shooters
me and it's one of a guy Named. Drew we
hit slashes of tack the, paint we. Win we don't,
hit we.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Lose so.
Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
You gotta do your, job, man do your.
Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
Job, yeah, sure for, sure and he and and it
closing remarks from you more.
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for three days in the, road LIKE i swear To
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