TNCSSP S4 EP 167 - Ahmad Smith

Join TNCSSP in our interview with former professional basketball player, Ahmad Smith.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah. Yeah, this is the and I want to welcome
you to a sports experience.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Elect no out you announce it that to the No.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Cap Sports Show with sports and con hoos. Callide authentic,
an apologetic no headache.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let the convote begin. Now.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Welcome to the No Cast Sports Show podcast with sports
and convos Collide, brought to you by the Live Podcast Network.
We are the newest podcast to that network. I'm your
host of Cobra.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm your host coach Milton.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I'm old. What's up, Villas?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was good, It's good.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Ain't not much.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Mine is cooler, chiller, trying to stay trying to stay
cool out.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Here, and it's hunting and hunting in forty five.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
I think I think we just hit ninety two for
the first time this week. If I'm not minna say,
it's been seventy degrees every day, eighty degrees.

Speaker 7 (01:22):
Different z man, I need to get to it.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Oh man, Hey, come on, man, waiting for you, wait
for you already know how y'all week man, man.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
Ship, it's been long. It's only the middle of the week.
It seemed like ship. I wish it was Friday. But
it's all good. You know, these podcasts you know how
we go.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, hey, you know how we go half full? Right?
We all want half way? We had half full.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Never mm hmm. Indeed, no complaint to this soon cause
you look good at that. You got your hat on.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I see.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hey, hey you for a uniform?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah yeah, like a listen that that red black and
no joke.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Looking nice? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
But you know, hey, look, let's get to it because
I know we got a lot of viewers and listeners
out out there to day waiting to hear from the
special guest.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That we have tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Our guest tonight is a man that is a d
m V legend on on the basketball court.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Man.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
I consider him a little broke, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
He was a standout superstar ball player from our O'Connell
High School. He took his talent to Saint Bonadventure and
was a star there big point guard, and then he
had a and successful professional basketball career in your So
you know, I don't want to say too much because

(03:07):
I want you to hear from from the man himself. So,
without further ado, welcome to the No Cast Sports Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Ama Smith, Yes, sir, appreciate you having me. Kobe appreciate
y'all having me as a honor to be on. Like
Kobe said, man was he was a big brother. Always
looked up to him when I was young coming up.
He was a legend in my city. So again, I
don't do a lot of these, but when he said it, man,

(03:36):
it's a no brainer. Man, anything he asks, he's always
gave me good advice, always been a leading by example.
So it was just a no brainer. Again, tell us,
I appreciate you'all having me. Welcome, Welcome, bro, salute to you. Man.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
You ain't got to give him all them flowers.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Hey, hey, man, he was a bad a look he
d as I know, Man, that had a meter in
high school. Man, and the nine the meta for this
man scored they putting up the Kobe me.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
No doubt, Yeah, no doubt. Look, I ain't talking about
this basketball. I'm talking about talking about giving you good advice.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Nah, we ain't talking about that.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
We ain't talking about that. But no, we appreciate you
coming on the show, man, We really do. Man, sure absolutely.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
In the mind.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
If you didn't know old Dog right there, that's my
that's my first cousin.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
So that's that's family.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So you know Okay, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 7 (04:45):
So let's uh, let's let's jump right into this thing.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
So so mam, we we know that, you know, the
great and special career that you had in terms of
playing basketball, but you know, we like to start from
the getting at the No Castpart Show podcast. So like, uh,
in terms of where where did the start for you?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
When?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
When did you know that athletics or specifically basketball was
going to be like the sport and the two that
that got you in your path forward? And who was
that person that was your uh that that inspired you
to play and motivated you to play?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Man, well you know Alexander Jinia. You know, we got
a long history of basketball.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
People might not know, but man, we got a lot
of people that was better than a lot of people
that made it. Yeah, that didn't make it. So man,
just growing up in the boys club, I mean I
saw just coming around. My dad would drop me off
in the boys club. Man, it be so many people
in there. Keith Bogains was the first person I seen
actually work out in the morning, and you know what
I mean, just seeing him do little things in the morning,

(05:51):
seeing you work out with your dad, just not basketball
people know your tennis background, like we'd be playing football,
playing for Charles Houston. You and your dad to just
be on the on the court hitting hitting balls over
and over. So things like that. We grew up in
a rich city, rich history with our athletics. Man and uh,
my dad was the first person to put the ball
in my hand. He played, He played Division two a game,

(06:13):
and so it was just always kind of it was
just inherited in me. I knew the history of our city.
I knew like your uncle's Darryl. I knew all everyone
that came before me. So I just always wanted to
be that guy in my class to just carry that torch.
And that's kind of how it started.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Shout out to that boy been on the show, and
shout out to my motherfucking uncle uncle shide, what's up?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Man, what's up?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
What?

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Shout out the uncle side, uncle Daram.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's what's up?

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And shout out to your pops and mind man, I
ain't seen him in in a minute.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Man him used a bark through the gym. Chiseled up
and ship.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Man.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I said, what's up? Man? I said, man, what you doing?
Just left the gym? I said, Man, you sick man
was somewhere. But yeah, man, yeah, he put the ball
on my hand, Kobe, and it's been it's been history
ever since.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
So so it was basketball was your first love. It
was no other sports.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And I think we all started off it was football,
Like I started the thing I did. I played for
Coach House, for Charles Houston. I played football for the Raiders.
It was kind of the thing we did. We just
grew up. The first thing you did, you played, You
played Pop Warner football, and then I kind of gradually
played with the guys I played football with. I carried
that over to play rec League ten and under, and

(07:32):
you know, I just found a love. And I ain't
really like that all that outside when it got cold.
It was cool for September and August, middle of October,
but I wasn't a big fan of football once it
got cold, so it was easy trend.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I appreciate your honesty a little, bro.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's a little It wasn't because of no hit or
nothing like that. Let's just get that cross basketball players
became basketball players because they weren't tough enough. It wasn't that, y'all.
I got to hold up.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I got you go ahead, go now. So just so
I hear your.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Your pops was a big influence with but big six
four of guard.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Man, who did you model your game after? Oh? Man,
that's a good one. That's a good question. Man. It
wasn't modeling my game naturally. Like when I was always
taller than everybody, my dad was a point guard, so
he would always, Man, we'd be walking to the court,
he kind of always just had me dribbling the basketball
and I never knew why, but he when I got older,

(08:33):
he kind of said, I know you're gonna be tall,
and the first thing they're gonna do is try to
put you under the rint. You know what I'm saying,
especially back then, so he would always say, Man, the
easy way to get the basketball is get a rebound
and go. So that's that kind of what it was. Man.
We'll go to a court on Queen Street, We'll go
to Westover and he just throw the ball off the
backboard and he just say grab it, take it down,

(08:53):
you know what I mean, dribble through. It was no
cones and none of that, no skills training. It was
just real authentic.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
It's spending time with your all the type thing nice,
just dope and just turned into every day bit by
bit and then you know you keep working, other people
stop working. Just how I go true quality time? True
quality time? Question?

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Well dog, oh my, my question.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
Go back to your I know you tell your dad
put the ball in you huh when you go ahead, coach,
you said something, no.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
We get back. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:45):
I think your your system.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Might be it ain't me as the Kobe ain't mine
is no, No, I think it's own.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
All right, go in here, here, get it here, come
right back.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
All right, he got his boost mobile going on.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, you gotta get him because he got you be.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
So so Matt. All right.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Now you're playing basketball, you're playing rec league basketball and
all that stuff going through you know, middle school. Now
your name is getting out there as somebody that's a
that has potential to be a really good ball player.
When when did you really know that, you know, you
started getting attention and that you were really good, you know,

(10:32):
at that sport, and that you could take it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
I mean, for a Virginia kid, Cob, I think you'll
be the same with you. When I went across that bridge,
when I went to when I went to the city
when I went to Maryland, when I when when I
realized it was guys of the same ability somewhere else
that was actually real close, and I stood out with them.
I started sprinkling. Then you know, we got to get
away from our city. I started playing with the Blue Devils,

(10:55):
playing with different AAU teams, and that's when I really
knew you got to put some extra working. And once
I knew I was on that level, it just it
was just a confidence booster type thing.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I absolutely I agree with you one hundred percent
on that, because I remember my father used to put
me in a car. We we would go around the
Beltway stop at random courts and he was like, who
would have played my son? One on one? That's how
it all started. And I mean my confidence was hot
because I came up.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
With a great group of.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Ballplayers that that was, you know, great in their own right,
and you know, if you could play with them and
compete with them, I felt like I could compete with anybody.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Question the same same.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, absolutely, So who you played reg Lee for? You
played with the Boys Club with y'all.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
S Houston and he had me everywhere I saw saw
off with the Boys Club. Then he with Charles Houston.
Then he took me out to Ramsey, then he put
me with Lee And this whole thing was just playing
with different you know, playing with different people. Man, And
and again, I'm gonna try to put that my if
my son loves the game. I just thought that was
the great model I was. I was able to be
a man sometimes. I was able to be the role player,

(12:05):
be the distributor, you know what I'm saying. So just
moding my game, Okay, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
So so with you going around a different to different locations, like, man,
it's funny because me and Coach just met up last
weekend in my hometown and I told him when my
boys told me that they wanted to play ball, I
took him right down the street and Dumphrey is a
place called the Cage. Hey, you say you want to play,
go in there and don't come out. But being that
super competitive person, did you did a lot of talking?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Like when you played, did you talk early on? Or
did that come?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Like?

Speaker 2 (12:38):
How did how did that?

Speaker 6 (12:39):
Because I know when you play, when you go to
different places, people gonna talk trash to you. So were
you were you're a quiet ball or where you're a
nice ball or you just you know what would your
style of play.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'm a talker. Anybody calling me out, I'm a talker, man.
The switch is it just helps me, it's not none
is it helps me lock in. I don't say anything wild.
I'm not a Kevin Garnett. Talk of KG get me going.
And it's always been a stigma. It's sad to say,

(13:10):
y'all again, I keep I hate to keep saying. Kobe
can attest to it. But being from Virginia, we got
the stigma going over the city, going to Maryland. That
is a soft thing. So yeah, kind of make sure
our game gotta speak in. We just got to show
that win.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Saw Yeah, which you don't understand why Virginia don't get
you know, they don't.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
We don't get a lot of love in football or basketball.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
We but we we we right up there with them
in both sports, with right in DC. But I get it.
And as long as you can back a game up,
that's all in mind. Sometimes you don't have to say nothing.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
Fun funk that we're right up there with him.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I know I've never lost to Maryland or DC team
in high school.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
He ever, Hey, talk about the col talk about the
cod Yeah.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
Hey, hey, respect oh dog. I know you Maryland got.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Bad, but it ain't no, it's all, It's all love.
I was.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
I was born in Alexandria Hospital, all right, you from
with that, with that, with that.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
You know I'm from Maryland. I'm from Maryland.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
My mom, my mom had My mom said I'm getting
away from my crazy dad.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Boo boo. She said she had a dog.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
But with that, I'm not fucking with you Alexandria and motherfuckers.
I got to go across the bridge full ninety times.
That's why I grew up. That's where I grew up
in Clinton at first, right because I'm still right there,
right right across the bridge, right there, Austen Hill, Clinton,
my dad, you know. And then I would just come
back across the bridge. But with that being said, I

(14:46):
heard you with the boost mobile shout out to coach Miller.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I like that. I heard you. I can still hear
you talking.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
I heard over there looking like oldest uh Martin. Well,
my question my question to you was how did you
I know they talked about who put the ball in
your hand? But my question what what made you?

Speaker 4 (15:06):
I know?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
You might already answer this what made you decide to
go to O'Connor, Like why O'Connor? Why not TC? With
the tradition and stuff that they have and things like that,
Why why go to O'Connor? It was it was it
because you wanted to get on that big stage back then,
or you know.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
What was.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Honestly, it's because Dwayne Brian had left. Dwayne Brian at stayed.
It was kind of a done deal when he left. Honestly,
I was going to Montros with Kevin Sutton. I was
it was a sign still thing. I was going to
Montros with Kevin. Kevin took an assistant job of Old Dominion.
It kind of last minute thing. I went to meet

(15:45):
with Stuve Vetta, my dad and stud kind of didn't click.
So I was just open at the last minute. And
I played in the game, AAU game and Joe WoT
just came to talk to me after the game. It
was no like I thought I was going back to TC,
honest and yeah, he just uh, he just sold me on.
I always wanted to go to Georgia Tech. I was

(16:05):
a left hand point guard. So you know, you get recruited.
The first thing that what school you want to go
to and I said, he told me that his Georgia
tech connects and all the you know, blah blah blah,
and just being on that stage, Like I said, I
watched Bobie and back then the w C a C
was considered the best conference in the country, no question,
and I just thought it would be good for me.

(16:26):
I wasn't going to Damata, I wasn't going to Gonzag.
I was still going to a Virginia school. I'm just
big onto the whole Virginia roots, and so it was
just kind of a done deal.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I wasn't considered. I thought I could go somewhere and
build my own thing, and that's what So it kind
of fanned out.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Gosh, and by by going to old kind of did
what type of feedback did you get that? Did you
hear it a lot from like, because you know, from
Alexandria and Roots, everybody expect you to go to t C. Williams. So,
but what type of feedback did you hear Once once
everybody learned that you was going to go to O'Connor.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Man, it was a hard decision. If I would have stayed,
I would have been playing with Jason Ingram and Darion Towns.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
And I would have had a monster squad.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You just would have had one of the best team
that Alexander what ever saw. So it was hard, Kobe, honestly, man,
it was. It was a tough decision. That's playing with
two Division one players, two all met players. But man,
I just thought about it, and I wanted to be
on that stage. Like I said, I wanted to play
against the best of the best. They considered those guys
the best of the best. And I just rolled the dice,
man and better on myself. Nice.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Nice, So yeah, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I was just gonna ask, what was that? What was
that transition?

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Like with all the tradition that is all kind of
with the big stage, was it a big transition?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Was it?

Speaker 6 (17:47):
You know, when when you're going into situations where you
playing behind somebody, was it somebody that you had to
kind of as they say, Iron Shoppings, Honor.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Did you just walk in and was able to just
compete right away?

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
No, man, it was man. Funny story when I came
there with some guy, some older guys he had brought
over from because Joe was at the MATHA, so he
brought some of I'm gonna say, I I don't want
to disrespect these guys, but kind of like guys that
didn't play at the MATHA that thought they would just
come over and O'Connell just run, you know what I mean,
just run through it. And he kind of he made
me earn my stripes. Honestly, he made me earn my stripes.

(18:22):
He kind of told me I was gonna play j
V and varsity, and I was just like, I ain't
come here for that. I came here to play varsity,
and I just wanted the honest chance, the easy playing field,
a fair playing field. He gave me that. I started
off coming off the bench like the seventh eighth guy,
and those guys kind of fell off through my sophomore
year man. Once I got the ball rolling, I ain't

(18:45):
Coach Miller looked back.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
I take it from for the remainder of my three years,
I ain't come here to be a role player. I
could have went and stayed to TC. Yeah that's what's
up up, Go ahead, cot.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
So So when did you hit your hit your knicks,
so to speak, at at O'Connor, my when when did
you know that? Okay, Like I'm I'm a little better
than everybody else, saying, you know, I can make some
noise in this DMV metropolitan area.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Man. Saint John's my sophomore year. Uh, you know, like anything, Kobe,
once you go to another level, the speed of the
game a little different, stronger. So I kind of adjusted
halfway through that year and we played Saint John's. I
remember they were like number one, number two in the
area and they had the guy that went to George
Say and Luke Martin and man that was I had

(19:39):
like fourteen and seven and I was a sophomore, and
you know, John Thompson was there. You know, it was
just things that Craig Ess was there, and I was
just like, all right, man, I think I'm now slowed
down for me. In my junior year, I lived the
WCAC and scoring. So it was just halfway through that year, man,
things kind of slowed down for me. I try to
tell the kids I work out with now or trained

(20:00):
and coach man, the speed of the game is the
hardest thing, especially for a point guard.

Speaker 8 (20:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's what's up.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Shout out the coach Edge.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Springbrook High School Alumni class of twenty twenty four twenty
twenty five Hall of Fame. My man, good dude, dude,
that's what's up.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
So as you as you transit, what AU team did
you play with?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Amb I was with the Blue Devils. I played with
the DC Blue Levels.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Okay, wait minute, say that one more time. Say that
one more time, Blue.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
Blue.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Okay, So shout out Rob. Shout out to Rob Jackson
in the whole mall, Yeah, shout out to shout out
to the DC Blue Devils.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Used to be the Silver Spring Blue Devils.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, I got yeah, strips to man. I was messing
with Kurt for a little bit, a little, a little man,
a little but but nah, I was. I was with
the DC Blue Rob Rob Right, Hey, Cole, Rob had
them big nikes for you.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
Man, You ain't.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Ye shut out the.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
So so explain what was the difference between those two
a U organizations? All look and the and the mon
is funny because I'm asking you this. You know, last
week we had a whole debate. So oh Dog played
for the Blue Doubles. Look respectfully, old Dog. I'm gonna
put it like this.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You ever seen them skits on Instagram with the youngest
be having the Black Air Force ones and then it's
the group with the White Air Force Ones. I'm gonna
go to Black Air Force Ones is as salt. The
White Air Force Ones is clean. And that's the Blue Devils. Man,
get it, get rugged over that the saut side. Man,
there might be some nice being rolled. Man, you know,

(21:49):
I mean, shout out to Kurt though, Man, I ain't
Kurt Ain't had nothing to do with nothing.

Speaker 9 (21:57):
Shout out to the DC Blue Devil staying in often
but the nicest hotels, eat good, all the wholest parents,
showing love on the bus, big food, Thank you.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Yeah, shout out good job, Rob, Yeah, love it.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Night. Hey.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Look, Amar had the bags, sweat shuits.

Speaker 10 (22:19):
Everything every Yeah, Kobe Kobe and the T shirts.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Kobe and them had T shirts.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
But Organization of All Time executive three.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Okay, we might we might look we might look like
we was fresh off the corner when we came to
the tournament. But I do have a national championship. You better,
you better believe that.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Hey, so what you talk about? Someone?

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Do I go to the website DC Blue Devil, Silver
Spring Blue Devil's website. We got national championships too. Talking
about list double man, I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Tell this talking he acted like that was the only
ones going.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Crack, especially after y'all there. It was a run man,
Rob had one of the mean runs. I ain't paying
him no tention, oh dog, but.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I hear you. So anyway, look anyway, mak you you're
killing that O'Connor.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
You and your senior year, how talk to us a
little bit about your recruiting and how that went and
what made you decide to go.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
To Saint BONAVISU Man academics flowed my recruiting down my
ninth grade year, I was at Minny Howard and uh, again,
I didn't know the logistics of the n C double
A clearinghouse. So you know, I'm around my fend having
the same I'm just at TC. All you got to
do is get a two O to play, so you

(24:03):
know I'm getting two points. I think I'm doing. I'm
straight until and uh and the shout out to him
Joe wooton my junior year. Kind of going into my
senior summer, that's what kind of messing my recruitment. I
had to go back and do my I didn't do
any aau my senior Going into my senior year, I
had to go back and get my court GPA up
from ninth grade classes, so I'm back in summer school

(24:25):
at But luckily he did that. If he didn't do that,
I would have been a prop kid. So he kind
of got ahead of the curve. That messed up my
recruitment a lot, but it made me get through that
n C double a clearinghouse and through that going to Bonna.
Mitter was kind of a connection through the master Kenny
Blakeney who's at Howard now. He recruited me at bonnamtch.

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He was his top assistant, so you know, kind of
how them dudes do. Man getting lazy but being like
you know what I'm saying, like just kind of yeah,
hitting me over to you know, a couple of guys
that he was familiar with. And I'm young, Nai. I
didn't know too much about the recruitment process. I wanted
to get it over with signed a little. Did I
know I should have just waited. My whole senior year

(25:08):
was phenomenal and I think I could have went big
ten a CC. But that's water under the bridge, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Given shout out to the big bro who who reminds
me a lot of your game of mine, Our big
bro Dave Vanderpool a legend.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
What's your big brody, Yes, sir, shout out to Dave.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Yeah, yeah, young game is very similar then god.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah then yeah, absolutely, shout out though. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
So so it wasn't any other schools you would considering.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I know, Yeah, I had Providence, n C. State was
only hard. I took a bit down there. I had
West Virginia. Man, I had a Saint Joe's kind of
was on me. But they had Jamie and Delancee all
the the local schools g w uh.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Wyoming had a couple of West Coast schools. I had
a good I had a good little recruiting process. It
was cool if I got going, and maybe, like you Kobe,
I would have nothing against Bonnaventure. It was a great time.
But I probably would have stolen somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Yeah, yeah, I say that all the time.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Man and I turned down other schools to go to Dayton,
and I was like, that was because he cuts me out.
Still we were in our forties. Now he cuts me out,
So yeah, I get it.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
And what did you take? What you saying, what visits
did you go on?

Speaker 8 (26:33):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (26:33):
I went to Man, I went all the way out
to Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I went there. Yep, I went to Providence. I went
down to n C State and Bonnaventsha, you.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Ain't like n C State.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I love I loved it.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Hey in C State you got eight minutes of each other.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
You didn't love it.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
And they said, my brothers in Carolina and your wife
ten times down.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
There, let me be caught. Yeah yeah, yeah, but there
was a recruiting process and you kind of told me
I would have to wait to play man. I wanted to.
I wanted to play man. But looking back on it,
I should have. I should have bet on myself and

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competed like I did at O'Connor.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
So so when you when you went to Bonnament, because
you know that's way upstate New York, Like, well, what
was your first impression of it when when you went
there and saw the campus and saw the general area
where you where you be staying for your next four years?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Man? Get it was perfect.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
They picked me up, and me and my mom and
the limo. They did everything the right way, especial because
my dad didn't go on the trip. So that was
that's what me and him still talk about. They kind
of sold my mom. Man, you know, It was kind
of easy. When she see all the glitz and glamory,
you're gonna you come here, you come here.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But when I started out there, Kobe, you know, I
been on that road trip. Man, it was like, what
is this like? It was old nothing around is an
hour and a half drive from a Buffalo from the
airport to get there. But man, once I got there
and I just saw JR. Bremer was there. He played
in the league. He was my host, so they kind

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of set it up perfect. He was a left hand guard, big,
gud strong. They kind of you know, said they could
see me in his shoes once he left. And it
was the only thing in town though, Coach. That's what
got me, man, Like, they don't care about nothing but basketball.
Bombaventual basketball was nothing then, so everything was sold out.

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I mean before nil, we wasn't paying to go eat
nothing like we're eating for free everywhere We're going to town.
So it was just an easy sell. We ain't had
no football, and I just thought going there it was
kind of like would be like ol'connell stepping stone. I
thought I could lead them into the tournament, you know,
had their little dreams and and and it just it

(29:01):
ain't paying out, but it was good. It was a
good experience for sure. Mm hmm, absolutely, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Nah so you said you you stopped playing football because
of the cold. How'd you feel when you've seen that
first snow drop out there?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
And I tell people, when it's snow down here, ain't
nothing like it. Man. It was freezing.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Then when you realize the first I ain't going to
class or nothing that you know when it's here, they
looked n everything open and it's crazy. But yeah, man,
it was some cold, cold, cold days. But it was
good for me because I kind of not as much
as I should have. But I stayed in the gym.
I worked out on stay. It was no foolishness to

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get into it. Nothing in the middle of nowhere. It
was a great experience. I still got two of my
closest friends. So sometimes when basketball don't work out, man,
you always got to find some good end. I got
two brothers that I called my brothers. You know what
I'm saying. I wouldn't know known them if I adn't
go to Bodo Mission. That's what's up. That's what's up.
That's true.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
That's tough. I know about that cold weather. I went
to prep school on my up up in uh Maine.
I went to m C I. Oh, I went to
Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
So so I had that experience too when I was
in prep school that we got hit with a big snowstorm.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
And I'm like, yeah, we lie, ain't no school. I'm chilling.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
The next thing, you know, I see all the cars
and the snowmobiles pulling up to the to the campus
and I'm like, what's what is it? Then next thing,
you know, I get that knock at the door. You know,
the coach is coming around. Hey, oh you uh, you're
supposed to be in such and such signs.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I said, signs.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I said, you don't see all that snow. It was like, man,
if you don't get me clan, Like, man, you don't
get the clan.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
When you said that story, I was like, oh, I'm
with you. I had that moment.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, I gotta I gotta ask you a question now.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
But you know, I told me I'm at basketball her
story now you know told me you played with the
Blue Devils.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
I still want.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
I'm still on the web. I'm on the website of
my I'm on the web just a little like I played.
I played on the B team and I was on
the beach team.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
He ma, look I didn't so I could, so I
could travel, We could travel.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
And then look, ea can Buggy tore me up there
with DJ one DMC. I ain't fooling me, man, Okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Football, I went for football.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
I want football. So m C I had just started.
Uh my, the year before me was the first year
that they did a football program. Okay, so they so
coach TDD Renald came in and he started a football program.
But I used to be hanging out with coach Max Good.
You know who is their head coach. Coach Max Good
went on the coach U n l V for a minute,

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like to hang out with coach Max and all the
all the all the basketball players at STABONN.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Weaver was up there. There are some dogs. That's some
dolls up there. Joe was up there, Lester Earl And
when I think I forgot what, Lester wound up going.
Yeah they had some dogs. Okay, yeah, DJ, DJ came
after me. DJ came after me.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, okay, yeah, DJ came out.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
They had some dogs though, Man, they are some dogs.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, for sure, what was the What was the landscape
of Atlantic ten like during that time, Like, who are
the top teams?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Who are some of the top players? Man, god heavy
My freshman year, Dave Dave was still at Temple. Dave
Hawkins was at Temple. Yep, man the list of them, Uh,
trying to think through it. G W that was that team.
They had pomps Menster Bassle. They were still they was
top ten in the country and Delante was Saint Joe's.

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Gary Neil was at LA South. Brian Roberts was at
Dayton my junior senior year. What was the other meet him?
I think he transferred to Illinois from Dayton. Mm hmm yeah, uh, Man,
it was a guard heavy cold be god heavy. I'm
trying to think. Fordham had a couple, you know, Fordam
they had a couple of good guys, like a boogie
Adrian Walton that was on the A one tour. He

(33:24):
was in Schmitch Parker was in my freshman year. Wow, yeah,
man cold. Now that I'm coaching, man, they throw out
the e tent like it's just they'd be like, man,
I think he can play in the eighteen. I'm like, man,
like the eight ten is the is this you know
what I'm saying, like, I don't consider considered how you're
med major. You know what I'm saying, I don't sit that.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, yeah it, but but I will say it's different.
It's not like you know, the years where we went.
It's not as it's not as strong because I know
when when I went to Dayton, A ten was the
top five conference in the country, right, and you know,
you couldn't go to any school in A ten that
didn't have.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
A draft prospect.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
You know, you had your Catinos and lamar Odoin's and
Pepe Sanchez and you know Mike uh what is it,
uh Mike James that played in the league for about
fifteen years, right, Yeah, he was at Duquine. So everywhere
you everywhere you win, it was it was a dollhight.
Then my freshman year, you know, you had Marcus Canby

(34:25):
and all those boys that you MASS, so that that
that conference was crazy and you MASS was number one
in the country that my freshman year with.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Them two guards to write Treveso and Padillaso and Padilla.
Then they had Dante Bright and Danny Dingle. So yeah,
so so the A ten has always been one of those,
I would call it like they straddled the line between
major and an upper mid major or whatever you want
to call. But now I think with the restructuring of

(34:55):
the conference, I think now that it's more to me,
it's more like a c AA, like the old c
AA with.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
George Mason American and all. I think the Atlantic ten
fits that move now bc U Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
so what so what did you when did you hit
your hit your stride at Saint Byne eventually when you
was like okay, yeah, I'm about to tear the A
ten up. And And one question I forgot to ask you, like,

(35:23):
who was the first person that like gave you that
welcome to to D one moment, like he bust your ass?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Po okay, oh man? The first person in D one Man,
I was like, man, believe it or not. In my
freshman year was Antonio Gates.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
We played ken State, we paid State, uh and man,
that's after they made that Lord Lee. I don't know
if y'all remember they made the Elite eight run yup
a year before. Yeah, I was playing well and we
went boxing won and I remember my coach he was like, hey, ma,
you're gonna you're gonna guard the Toyo Gates Kobe Man.
It was hell. He the first person backing me down,

(36:02):
stooting over Tie stepped back. So I'm like, then I
realized they said this dude wanted to play football like
man a real bad but it probably was named Jamie
probably Antonio Gates Man for real. Yeah, and what was
your other question? Was the one? Like? Uh?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Well, well before I asked that question, So who who?
Who was the first person that you cooked in college?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Shout out to him?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
My first my first college basketball game, I played against
Virginia Tech against Brian Chase and Eric Brown, and I
had a shout out to them. I had sixteen Kobe
my first college game. Then I came back the next night,
were down to virgin Islands. Then I came back the
next night Tommy Amaker in Michigan that had like seventeen.

(36:51):
So my first two games, I got eight ten Player
of the Week and then we played by U and
I got introduced to grown men and I had like
two and five. You know what I mean. He realized
that's that's kind of how my freshman year went. And
then you know what I'm saying, So yeah, Brian Brian Chase.
He was a uh, I don't want to be a
legend in DC, legend in the DMV, and uh, I

(37:14):
played in my first game, I felt like I got
the better, the better, the better end of the sticks.
So pause, but I think I got the better end
of the stick. And I think that was my first one, Chase.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, so so the original question was like, when when
did you hit your stride at Saint Bonnie when you
when you knew he was going to make a lot
of noise in the eighteen.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
The A ten tournament my sophomore year. Going into my
junior year, I had a nice little run. Marcus Green
a little dude. I don't know if y'all seen him online.
He got the long shorts he played for He played
for Bondaventure. He was like all eighteen eighteen player of
the year one year and once he left, man it
was my team. And uh my junior year kind of

(37:57):
like at at O'Connell junior year, I was team eighten,
but I think I averaged like fifteen and six and
it was my team. Did my going into my senior year,
I was a preseason first team eighteen and the rest
was history.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Absolutely go ahead, coach.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
So so you you you've hit your stride your junior year,
You've gotten used to the weather by now up there
and the culture.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
When did you start getting any type of professional buzz?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Like? What when did you or was that always the goal?

Speaker 6 (38:32):
Was that the goal going into college or did that
just kind of come out of your performance as you
started to you know, get acclimated to the to.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
The to the UH, to the competition man. After lying, coach,
it was always the player in the league, you know,
I was played professional once I got started getting the
stats and the awards, the accomplishments. My coach at the time,
he kind of started giving me the little agent feelers
that he was getting a lot of going into my

(39:02):
senior year, a lot of the I got a couple
of NBA looks, so a lot of the NBA teams
came to see me play. He was telling me different
teams was coming to see me play. And that's when
I kind of learned that it turned from fun into
a into a business.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
And I didn't overseas back then, wasn't really I ain't
really have an og per se to tell me how
you know what I'm saying. So that's another story. So yeah,
it kind of came going from my junior year into
my senior to ask your question.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Though.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Okay, mm hmmm, ship you said another story. This is
your show. We got time. We want to hear about it.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Tell you know, because a lot of people don't know.
Now it's a lot easier to go with. See you
know somebody that knows somebody. Back then, it was you know,
it wasn't as you know what I'm saying, popular the
goal with seees like that.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
It was people going over there for sure, but it wasn't.
It wasn't like it is now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
So who you did go overseas you know, or who
did you sign with or your agent or whatever?

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Tell us a little bit about that process, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
What you know, what made you decide to go overseas
and things like that, and who who was the team
that you played with and when you got over there.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
So it's a two part question.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
When you when you got over there, who sort of
took the under their wing and was like, look this
how you when you over here? This is how you
played play for this team. Get your numbers up. Then
try to get over here and this you know, this
league or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Great question, bro, great question. Uh man. So my whole
process of going over there, I signed with an agency
called Courtside and okay it was an agency. It was
a European agency. They kind of enabled me into thinking
they had the exposure camp and they wanted me to

(40:56):
come over to Frankfurt, Germany for the exposure camp. Me
knowing now, like what I gotta go over there for
I've been I now had my stats. Well I got exposed,
you know what I mean? What got my film over there?
I had a good showing. It was a team in Brussels, uh,
Belgium called Louvin. That was kind of a done deal.
They said, I was gonna sign there. You played in Belgium?

(41:18):
Did you go?

Speaker 7 (41:19):
Yeah for the Brussels the Thoments.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Okay, yep. So was kind of on the old dog
and I was gonna sign there and they, uh, one
of the I think there was a system coach reached
out to my agent. They was like, we want to
sign him, but we don't like the way he warm up.
And I was just like, you know what I mean
warm up? He told me we need you to go hard.
At warm ups. Long story short, that kind of brought

(41:43):
me the wrong way. I went home naive. I'm like, man,
this dude, I'm gonna switch my agent. I'm talking to
my college coach. So I switched the agent just I
was just just being young and dumb, to be honest.
And then I went with a guy Ricky Price played
the Duke. Ricky Price played at Duke and he was
with a white guy named Justin Hamilton. I went with them,

(42:06):
and they got me a deal. Man, this is the
last minute, like in September. You know this league has
already started. They got me a deal in Ireland. Man, Ireland.
I was paid like the best. I got paid like
real good money to go over there. It was league.
Got over there, old dog, and it was it was
a coature shop. I was just over there, man. They

(42:26):
got me over there. I'm in a room in the apartment.
You know, you go from an apartment there, they leave
you there. This is back in two thousand and six,
two thousand and seven, man, So think about it's no
social media, It's no you know what I'm saying. I
can't get on no smartphone and hit Kobe like you
know this, Like yeah, be honest, man. They left me

(42:47):
with a dude, the Irish dude, who basically took me everywhere.
I killed the league, and I came home for Christmas, Man,
which was the worst mistake ever. Came home for Christmas.
I'm like, Man, I'm not going back over there. I've
been killing. I know, I'm getting somewhere else. Yeah, you
know what I mean, Kobe and Man, I ain't get
back over there until like April that year at home,

(43:09):
miserable so old, that's not I'm hoping some young dudes
on here that that overseas thing that's especially back then
wasn't no joke.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. And then Man, that's with a German agency and
a German guy. He reached out to me and Man,
I got the Germany Old Dog and it was a
done deal. Man, closest thing to American slim Man.

Speaker 9 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
And Kobe, Man, Kobe don't remember this man. We was
a hammer. His dad used to work me out and Man,
we just we got to talking because he had played
over in Western Europe too, and he was one thing. Man.
He said, you've been to Mandy Al I said, Bendi,
I told him about the mind die old Dog. Listen

(43:56):
to me, Maniel is the best. You remember how love
used to be got shipped on man Dieu slam nothing wow, b.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
It was in.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It was in Netherlands. It was a holler. So man,
we would drive from Germany. It's people driving from France,
it's dropping from Belgium, all these hoopers. We meeting up
at one spot on the sunny. I ain't got to
say no more, say no more.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Ball playing in that region? Was there? I don't ask that.

Speaker 7 (44:33):
Germany, France, Luxembourg.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I said, Man.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
When he and Kobe said you've been there, I said, man,
must be especially it's been around that long.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, man, but yeah, what's the what's it called again?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You'll got it going?

Speaker 4 (44:52):
What's it called? Mania?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Mon Dieu shout out to Mandy, A real.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
You lisponsious the cash for show if you want to fly,
So we will do a we will do a show
at the.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Mondd act Mond.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I described to them the Mandiel, like when what's that
little island, that little playing where wonder woman from.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
I'm telling you that Joe was like that, you know, Amazonia.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Hey coming that joint everything stopped crazy crazy, ye know
So that so you stayed so that's where you finished obviously,
So that's where you finished your career.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
You stayed in Germany, MAK eight. I was in Germany
for eight years old.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I said, I mean that it was easier transition, man,
the American military basis Yeah, everybody speaking, you know.

Speaker 9 (45:58):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It was basketball is so so one of.

Speaker 6 (46:02):
So one of the so one of the things you
said was you you went over and killed it right away,
which is dope to hear.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
But what was the transition like?

Speaker 6 (46:09):
Because I know that that that game is a little
bit different, The rules of the game is different, the
physicality is different, and just you know, just again the
language barrier trying to understand.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
So what was that transition like?

Speaker 8 (46:20):
And how long did it take you to kind of
get get used to playing that style of ball?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And that travel was tough? Yeah, that travel got me. Man.
I had a good coach once I got to Germany.
He was a Serbian coach that he really just drilled
me on it. Just putting that thing, just putting the
ball down, that was my heart. Honestly. You know, we
taught rip through and go, so man, it was the
hardest thing just putting that putting the basketball down and
just I think that's just taking away our athleticism. I

(46:45):
thought we but you know what I'm saying, that's the
hardest thing. And just the culture man, just being being
You might be on the team and nobody speaking English.
You sitting there stretching talking to you, so you gotta
be locked in. Yeah, so you got I picked up
the language just off of here, and um, you know
what I'm saying. And I had I had a couple

(47:05):
of German friends that have teached me the words I
need to know.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
And you.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Pass me the ball, don't shoot unless I tell you
to order how to order my food?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I need that. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
I told you, don't shoot right past the ball all
that hey screen over.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
There when he was on the court. Yeah, that's that
universal that's that universal language. And to be Jordan.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah yeah, move one four, move get out the way.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (47:49):
So when you was over there, every time you go right,
they was calling travel every time.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah what you mean?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
What what you mean?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Every time y'all go rocket like that's what he was explaining,
Like over there, change.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
If you wanted to do your.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
First step going right, you had to learn how to
put the ball on them on the floor first, like
they'll call travel on the American player when you get
step right.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, that's all good. Because I was I usually left,
so I didn't.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, how was how was?

Speaker 8 (48:23):
How was your reaction the first time they took it
off the rim.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Man, Man, that messed me up. Man, you know, would
killed my game. I'm a I'm a transition guy. Yeah,
they filed in transition every time almost you take it out.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
That was man, that was hard.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
But then when I thought about it, it's smartest. Smart
set the defense up.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's smart.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm a lot of these coaches don't want to head.
I'm like, man, I've seen what it does. But for
the Blue that was mind.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
I was the I was the I was the foul
guy when I when they when I played on the
A team, and and then and we we went against
somebody like Kobe. Oh yeah, he getting five five all
all all he getting five five and and and they
football fave.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Oh yeah, football player, you're gonna earn every file. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
So when my team was playing, they were undersized, and
that's what they use a European style. You ain't gonna
run out, you ain't gonna get out. A run against
they're gonna fire. You set the defense up and and
get back. Coaches didn't like it because they couldn't adjust
to it. But it took, like you said, it took
the athleticism away and and it showed how well, you know,
how well the coaches could coach, because now you got

(49:30):
a half court game.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Side of that.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
It was hard.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It was hard to play against us with that. Man.
So now that's what's up.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
So you're finishing. So you're finishing up ball and you
kicking over there. You're having fun. You hitting, uh made something?
What's it called Lewis d I you're hitting the Lewis.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Lewis Lewis d He asked, going crazy, yo, So you
hitting the dam joint?

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Going crazy? Paul?

Speaker 5 (50:08):
What what at the end of your what made you say,
you know what, I'm gonna slowly start transitioning into coaching.
Did you come home and somebody said, hey, man, I
want you to come to a game, and you know,
I want you to come check out a practice while
you were still playing. Or did you come home first
and then you was chilling and you took a moment
and then they got you into coaching.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Man, great question, Oh, dog Man, great question. Once I
got done playing, man, like I said, I had to.
I got two brothers that uh at bona mische.

Speaker 8 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
One is Tyler Ralf.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
He one of the biggest trainers right now. He's Julius
Randalls trainer. Okay Johnson who just got drafted to the Wizards.
He's his personal trainer. He flew me in, man, he
flew me in with the skills training thing. He had
already had it going. We went over to China a
couple of times. Just being with him through the social media,

(51:03):
I built clients here, you know what I'm saying. So
it was just a transition from playing to write to basketball.
But to be honest, not until recently this year have
I got the joy I had playing like I've been
doing the skills training throughout and now I'm coaching. You
know what I'm saying. I always thought, I'm like, man,
I just want to do the skills training. I don't

(51:24):
even want to do that coaching aspect. Yeah, funny story,
shout out to that l on your hat. I was
in the liquor store around the corner from my house
man on a Sunday, Redskins Sunday. I call it redskin, redskins,
but I call it yeah. Hey, I had to say, look,
everybody looked at fans you we won't even need to

(51:51):
god that conversation. Then we go go there. Yeah, man again,
I played in this conference, good counselor. I live in only,
so good counselors.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Man literally shout out, shout out the twenty eight twelve
thicket Way, Only Maryland.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
What's up, Mom? I know you watching.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Yeah, I used to live twenty eighth White behind the
Government General Hospital.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Oh for real, okay, yeah, twenty eight twelve, twenty eight
twelve picket Way.

Speaker 11 (52:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah right, yeah yeah man, yeah yeah Mom
do she she was, she peeped that scene early because
we moved from Silver Spring.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
White Oak and then she I don't know, I don't
know what what made.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Her decide to go out there, but we wound up
going out there and whole crazy springbrook Sherwood.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
And all that.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
That's a whole nother story. But yeah, shout out to
you and only man it got. It's a beautiful place
out there. They built it up as nice as I
don't know what I did, so salute beautiful all did
good living, yeah, no question, no question living yeah, I'm
in the out here. So I was in the liquor store, man,
and I and I just.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Look in the head coach of Good Counsel in it,
and I got one of my men on the phone. Yeah, man,
the head coach of Good Counsel right here. Should I
say something about coaching? Because, to be honest, old dog,
I was getting tired. I mean the money was great,
great doing the skills training, right, I'm just doing it
for the money. I was teaching some kids. I'm just

(53:23):
doing it for them. I'm doing BS drills. I'm be
honest with y'all. I'm doing it. It's going well. But uh,
I'm on the phone with my man, Like, should I
say something to him? Because one of his best friends
is my assistant coach at o'connon. So yeah, his best
friend introduced me into the Hall of Fame. He's the
guy to talk me to the Hall of Fame. That's

(53:44):
the guy I wanted to talk for me. So, Man,
I just took a leap of faith. My man was
like why not? So I walked up on the coach man.
I introduced myself. I'm a ma smith man. If you
got any openings, man, I'm around the corner, if I
can help in any capacity, yeah, he man.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
He was like, I said, Scott McClary, Scott, shout out
to Scott.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
That's my guy. I said, Man, Scott McClary, I know
that's one of your best friends. That's my guy. And
Scott Man literally called me ten minutes later and he
was like, hey, man, he said, it's a hit. It's
a hit. He said, whatever you want to do, just
let me know. I said, Man, if you want to
put me freshman, JV, varsity whatever, old dog. He flew
me right to the varsity. And it's been a blessing.

(54:28):
It was a great We didn't have a great year,
but uh, just being he gave me the ropes to
deal with the gods. Man, it's just been a blessing.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
And another guy, Ray Brewer, he's a good guy from PG.
He's on the team the Takeover, Our Team Takeover. He
flew me in with Team Takeover. Man, And right now
I'm buzzling. I coached this summer with good counsel. He
let me coach. I had a record. Man. And right now, you.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Amar, did you come out here to Arizona when Team
Takeover came out here for the eat.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Absolutely was it for you? Yeah, I'm out here. Look
next year if I'm yeah, we'll lock in Old Dog.

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Yeah, because I uh if they played that, I owner
yeah on the seventie so I was supposed to So
if mess around, I was supposed to come scoop y'all
were supposed to meet at the hookah spot.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
And fell asleep. That bro, that's crazy because.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yeah, I'm yeah, because I was supposed to come up.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, that's wow man, Yeah, yeah, that's my boy. Yeah,
but I'm fifteen. You man. We lost in the championship
for the piece Jams, so we had oh man day Yeah.
So man, so right now to answer your question, Old
Dog man like right now, Man, I'm on the path.
My name out there, I'm d like buzzing right now

(55:54):
and uh and people asking me, they what you want
to do? You want to coach in college? And I'm like, man,
why not. I'll be seeing a lot of these I
played for that. I'm on TV with and and just
coach Kissel shout out to him at a Good Counsel.
He took. He let me coach all summer. I was
the head coach for Good Counsel. All summer and we
had a great turnout. People that I ain't see Mike

(56:17):
the geeze. I mean all these Mike coaching now Man,
they like, Man.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
You this is where you need to be.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah. Yeah, honestly I dream and hopefully man in the
year or two. Yeah, well, be I come back on
y'all show and I be coaching somewhere.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
D one.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Well, well you started and you family here, MA, so
you already know. Yeah, locked in for sure, that's what sup.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Man saying whatever since shout out to say, he asked, Uh,
would you say that you saw more playing overseas or
do you well, what do you say? Would you say
that you will see more playing overseas versus the NBA?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But I see more in terms of what like, Well, that's.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Kind of opening the questions, so I think you can
kind of take that any anything you want that.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
You see more playing over across seeds or NBA. I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
I mean, can I answer it after the mob?

Speaker 7 (57:23):
Yeah, we like we can all time in on this question.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
I'm trying to think, Man, that's a good one, and
I see more playing overseas.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
I mean, I need some help.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
I think we've been watching the NB I've been watching
the NBA my whole life, so I think I learned
a little different aspect of the game being overseas. I mean,
I've been watching the NBA since I've been watching basketball,
So I probably would say overseas gave me a different
aspect of the game for sure.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
When you playing any NBA, man, you get that type
of money, you can always go overseas. Yeah, and I
can go watch who watch my boys? Because I think
that's what a lot of guys do. Anyway, they boys
playing overseas off season. Yeah, go go check out cold,
go check out you know hit that Hey, especially now

(58:12):
everybody watching our No Cash Sports show Coach Miller, Marden
and Cub they found out about that little d I.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I we're going to Germany.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I don't want to go to Lors pull it up.
I ain't.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
And to to say this question, I see it a
kind of different way. I think playing overseas well. What
I how how I interpret the question is you know,
you see more, you get more culture. You know what
I'm saying. You get to see more things. You got
a bunch of countries just like surrounding you. Know what
I mean, that's the first time I went to Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
And you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
If you playing and and Belgium, you know, you got
Germany right here in arms Reach, you got France and
arms Reach, you got Luxembourg and arms Reach. So you
you're getting all this different kind of culture.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
And then you know, and then.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Then the love you get overseas, it's like genuine love.
It's like the love that you got when you was
in college.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
It's not like, you know, the NBA guys, you know
what I mean, you got you know.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
It's different. Then it's overseas. It's like like like even
just let's say, for even the women aspect of it.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
Like you know, man, you hear the stories.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
You see the dudes getting jammed up with these Instagram models,
this that or the other. They paying all this bad
over there. It's like you, you're the American ball player,
you know what I mean, It's like, we love you,
we want to hang out that that type of thing.
It ain't none of that, none of that messy stuff
over there exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So you're about to be here for nine months.

Speaker 8 (59:58):
And you go home.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Yeah, uh yeah, So I want to. I want to
go back to just your transition into the training. What
was it like being you know, coming from playing ball
and then having to go and work with kids. I
don't know what ages, don't assuming you did all variations
of ages just based on skill set.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
But what what was it like working with kids and
their parents? Like? What what what was the hardest part
of training parents? Not being close, not being realistic, the
unreal expectations you can just take them something that is
no you know what I mean, Like it's unreal man,
it's unbelievable. Was it was it hard for you to

(01:00:39):
be honest with parents?

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Man? Like?

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
What when you when you when when? I don't know
how you do business? But you know, and me and
old training together for years. Man, it's just we're not
going a lot of kids, man, and well we will
turn a lot of kids away because we don't have
time for the nonsense like hey, if if if you're.

Speaker 8 (01:00:57):
Not willing to hear what we have to say, then
how you're going to work with me?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
How am I gonna work with you? Because, like you said, unrealistic?
So how was it when you haven't? Because again, it's
a business. Some people just like to take the money
and run. It's a money ground. But then you don't
want to put your name on a product that it's
gonna make you look bad in the long run.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Correct, So what what was the buffer for you? And
how did you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Coach? Great question? Great question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
So it's the hardest thing for me. And it was
that I was saying, still coaching. I'm too honest, Like man,
I came up there. If you if my man got
a booking his nose, I'm telling you got booking your nose.
I don't care. You crazy out here. So that's that's
how it was. How you said you are old dog.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. If you

(01:01:46):
if you asked me, do you my son can play
Division one, I'm gonna tell you if I don't think
he can play Division one, I'm gonna say, I don't
think you can play Division one. You know a lot
of things. When I say those things, I look on
Instagram they working with somebody else. I mean, I just
think it's that's that's the problem right now. The parents,
like these unrealistic expectations are killing these kids. Nobody, nobody

(01:02:07):
want to work. I mean, it's no process. Man, everybody
want to turn you know what I mean, turn into
I don't get it. Man, that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
It and it'd be crazy and my bad coach, and
it be crazy because sometimes you find yourself it ain't
even It's like, Bro, your kid is five four one
sixty five and he run four nine mhm, or he
five or.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
He's six or he's six feet he can't shoot right.
I mean, like, we gotta be realistic with ourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
And like I need to tell people. I have to
tell people all the time. I used to tell them,
moll look, my goal is to help. My goal is
to get your son to be able to come in
there no matter what level and say mom, dad.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Is paid for.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
That was my that was my That's how I've moved
the bro. I don't care about half the kids we
trained and coach and I that shit don't mean nothing
to me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I used to be like, but when.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
You're dealing with the parents sometimes I'm like, bro, like
how can you you sent up here one nig I
shouldn't have to tell you to tell your son or
to tell your daughter, whatever the case may be, that
he need to bring his equipment to train, or I
got to tell him to take care of his body
so that way he can train. Paul's You know what

(01:03:36):
I'm saying, I'm I'm you, I'm we were trying to
I'm trying to help your son. You sent up here
paying me. I could literally just foreriferal, just take the bread,
be quiet, put him through some damn drills and that Yeah,
he getting faster.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
You know what I'm saying. But at the end of
the day, my name out here. You know what I mean?
Your name, That's what's That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Because when you make a phone call for a kid
that's been working his ass off and been grinded and
you and you make that phone call mad and you say, hey, man,
I got a kid. I got a guy for you
that can flat out book. I'm gonna take your word
for it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
I don't you center. I don't need no I don't
need no fun because if you telling me, he could.
And that's what the parents and they don't understand that
ship And I used to tell him and coach that's
why I called said mom. We used to be I'm good.
I don't even train. When coach member was training them together, mam.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
He used to have to train them before they come
to come and work out with men. Use my language, everybody,
get the fuck out the drill. Man sucking up the drill.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
We we have to send parent home, like hey, man,
get them out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Man conversation and this is the topic. People need to
listen to the man.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
These parents.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
And they and they and they think yeah and then
they but see, ma, what happened is you you hit it?

Speaker 8 (01:05:00):
You hit it right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
You said it right, Paul you the thing is like
you said. But they'll go on Instagram, right, or they'll
go with another trainer. He showing them instagraming and driveling
and doing all this. Oh he went from a full
seven to a four four in two days, right, or
he went from a he couldn't shoot man, now all

(01:05:23):
of a sudden he shooting three. He don't shot one
thousand and three May four. But they got them four
all up on social and it ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Did nothing that game.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Yeah, and then or you see the Instagram I just
posted something last week. Man, how you gonna say you working,
but you ain't showing no mistakes none. So everything we
do is they'd have made every shot that have made
every dribble right that I told my daughter, I said,
I'm not posting no bullets because, oh, I tell you,
I just got started doing the Instagram. So because my

(01:05:51):
kids said, Dad, you need to post, but I don't.
I don't gone no business from that. I'm going a
business from word of mouth. But I think too many
kids get caught up on it Instagram stuff. But I said,
we're gonna show it, man, I'm gonna show what the
hell you're doing. If you make a mistake, where do
we get better at?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Like what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
I'm not gonna lie on Instagram like like what is
that about? But that's what that's what everybody's concerned about.
How many followers they got, how good we look. I
think I think I posted something the other day somebody, dude,
NBA dude was talking to I think Rich Paul, and
the first thing said, well I got a million followers.
What the hell they got to do with you playing basketball?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Is that? That's how they look at it now? Though,
like man, can I go get my man?

Speaker 7 (01:06:30):
You gonna get your ass?

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
They be asking me, coach that, mam. They be asking me,
do I got Instagram?

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
I said yeah, But I said, but I ain't about
to post you because, first of all, you suck, you
ter u. If I was, if I was playing with
when you was playing, I would destroy you. Matter of fact,
I probably I wouldn't even go against you. I wouldn't
even well, you know what you term.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
And I don't even mean. And it's not even so
much your it's not even so much your skill set.
It's your mind. It's your mind. You know what I mean?
You you you like you said, they do one drill
and all of a sudden, hey, can you can you
pull out? Can you family?

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
What right?

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Get better?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
And that's a that's a tester right there.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
We tell you you suck, and you can't take that criticism.
We already know we ain't gonna work with you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
That's that's the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
First thing with like, Okay, you can't take no constructive
criticism right now, so we can't. If I tell you
you suck, I'm not trying to boost your ego. We
ain't gonna lie to you. And just because we say
you sucked, don't mean you suck at everything. That's everybody
has some ship they gotta work on. You know, everybody
got something to work on. If that was the case,
you wouldn't even be looking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
For a trainer nowadays, coach, I tell you, sorry, they
go tell they they go tell their parents and then
they tell the head coach. We got to have a meeting.
I'm like, you know, your kids are ship and we
tell them in front of the parents. Let me work with.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
When I was coaching that freedom. I tell the kid
the truth. You go tell this people with the athletic director.
Is that look, you can let me go. I'm doing
this for a favor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I got it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:07):
I got a child.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
We got a T shirt that said I'm not for everybody.
That's real cool with it, man, the parents, we get
back to the parents, somebody from the dudes that play.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
Yeah, Like I'm like, man, you played the game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You know your son?

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
Sorry, don't And that's the thing I don't be understanding.
I'd be like, like, you're not even you're not being
honest with you not being you setting him up and
let's take the sports ship out of Come on, man,
like you're not being honest with this, you're not even
being honest with him.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
You setting him up to field.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
And more important with like ma, when you playing, when
you you mess around and playing football, you're gonna fuck.
He's gonna around and get hurt because he's gonna run
into somebody that don't care and he running that alley
and come down and he gonna run that alley and
he gonna hurt your son.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Yeah, like you know what I mean, Like but you know,
but but you know that the thing is with me, ma,
and like you know, I'd rather just walk away, say,
you know what, here go your money, right, it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I had friends that I thought was cool and when
we're still cool.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
And I had to I had to step away, right,
I'm like, bro, I don't want to train I don't
want to train your son. I don't want to train
your daughter because I don't want to call your son or.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Your daughter out of their name. And I care more
about us being cool, Like you know, we ain't got
to hang out shit like, but but I care about
because I don't want to.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
Call your son you know, wrong word and then me
and you get into it. So I've just been like,
like you said, Mark, it ain't sometimes it's not even
worth it, you know, it ain't. It ain't even worth it.
So that's that's that's a salute to you, man. And
when you going through it, you know you gotta deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Them parents that think they supposed to get more playing time.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
I'm like, how can you look at a basketball game
and think your son could get more playing time and
he don't even get back on defense?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Right? I think that the biggest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
It's okay to play Division two and Division three. Man,
I mean okay, it's okay to get It's okay to
go play down at Coastal Carolina. Man, like, man, old dog,
I'm now I'm in coaching. Man. They be looking. Man,
I just got to offer from you, NBC and Thompson brother.
You know right now, nig they're paying y'all up there too.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Once you go up there yourself and killed it, since
you're so good, you can leave very year.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
And you got the thing right there, you say, if
you say they're good, good, go play, go show how
good you are.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
You can start at D three and go all the
way up and play.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
I'm a D three guy and my coach, and my
coach told me because I told him myself. Man, I
went to look. I went to my college twice and
left because I said I was so good. My coach
asked me, So, okay, what you gonna do. What you're
gonna do here in Dumfries. You're gonna be the high
school dude that everybody say used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
He said. If you say you that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
Damn good, go show how good you are. And everything
else was paying out. And that's and that's what I
live by now. Man, don't don't and oh tell you, man,
we got we got to see. Man, don't tell me
what you're doing. We can see what you're doing, We
see what type of work you're doing. You ain't got
to tell us ship.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
We know what you're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
So just just keep your head, keep your mouth shut,
and grind and show up. But he said, make plays
often and early. Man, don't don't tell us nothing but
a lot, like I said, a lot of these kids
want you to, you know, want you to tell them
something that you know that that they know ain't true
and their parents know it ain't true.

Speaker 8 (01:11:38):
But you know, some people do it and take the
money and then be looking back like, well, why this
dude don't make it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Well, you know why he didn't make it.

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
He wasn't good in the first place, or or everybody
reclass and then try to outrun the competition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Like you can't outrun competition.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
Man, It's gonna catch up with you eventually, exactly, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
So yeah, yeah, there's a good segue to the next question.
Now that for you of mine, Well, what's your opinion
on today's claiming in college where you have the N
I L and the transfer portal.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
And how do you think you would have managed that
if if that was a round when you played.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Man, Kobe, I'd have been a different school every year. Probably.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
I ain't even gonna lie to you because young is
doing it. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
You're taking that money.

Speaker 5 (01:12:27):
The Kansas State, then they going to Memphis then you
know what I'm saying, they hitting every coach, So I
mean I just would have I think I just would
have took advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
They I mean, this money they throwing around is crazy facts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I mean, it's it's these dudes living. I mean, like
I tell a lot of the dudes, now, man, your
down payment on whatever you want to do, just make
sure you say some bread. You start in life before
the average you know what I'm saying, You ain't got
to go over these Yeah you got six figures. Yeah,
it's wild. Man, and even on the Lord Man, Kobe,
we ain't get no money even if you get in

(01:13:01):
fifteen thousand, ten thousand a year. I mean that's something.
So that's a nice headstart. Absolutely answer your question, I think,
first of all, I think it's out of hand right now.
I think it's they got to find some way to
make sure kids just can't move around whenever they want.
But I can't hate on them getting that bag though,

(01:13:22):
because they na been working us for years money. But
I just hope some of the kids are saving that
if they listen and say that paper man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Fact, and hopefully hopefully the school or the basketball program
is helping them out through that process. Get them in
financial literacy classes and stuff like that, teach them how
to save their bread or stack their bread, flip it,
whatever the case may be. So when they walk out

(01:13:54):
of that off that campus after that senior year, they
be in a good position. They don't have to depend
on n B A or going to overseas whatever. You
got enough money to pretty much do whatever you do,
whatever you want, start your own business or whatever the
case may be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Question Yeah, sure, question, Well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Think now I think we should get into some rapid
fire questions with a mom what you think fellas? Yeah, yeah,
I'm grass start it off too, so so pretty much
the rules. We're gonna ask some questions. You can't skip them.
You gotta ask them. Try to ask him as quick
as possible. Real quick pause. I gotta get ready for

(01:14:39):
this one, all right, So I uh, I'll start. I
want I want you up first? Public school or private school?

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
What era.

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
Your probably?

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Mm hmmm, Nike or did it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
That was that? Quick? Go ahead?

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
I'm gonna go ahead and put it out there before
Kobe do it. Lebron or m J Bron.

Speaker 7 (01:15:29):
Hey, finally got somebody with some on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
That's man touched the basketball, Sam. It ain't even close.
I'm sorry cold. I mean, I hate that ring stuff. Man,
like stop it, man, yeah, man, I'm a Brian all day.
I'm two gentlemen right there. Man, they Lebron bashes. Oh man,
you're still like with me? Man, you're a good man. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
Hey, man, he it ain't got nothing. As I told
cole Man, it ain't got nothing to do with his skill.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
For me, it's just the mental I got you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
Yeah, but but he ain't taking nothing away from his
what he's done off the court, tremendously, been the chosen
one since high school.

Speaker 8 (01:16:10):
Great career, still playing, still putting up great numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
But when you know, for me, when it comes down
to just tenacity, I think he could be dominant at
any time, and he just you know, chose to do
something different. That's and that's my only you know, that's
my only qualm against. But definitely a go is not
my goal, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
So that ship coach, Oh, dog man, we only got
and football.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Mind.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
So start Bencher, cut Caitlyn Clark, page backers or.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Juju starting juju? Uh, I'm benching Caitlyn. I'mutting Paige mm
hmm okay uh, Lamar Jackson or Jaydon Dames. God damn
you set me up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Longevity respect to the black man. I'm gonna go with Lamar.
You know he got it. You know he's never done
it for longer. I go with Lamar. You got something,
O dog.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Absolutely Now I'm I'm out. I'm out again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I'm off.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
I'm and I'm about be like, ma, yeah, let me
get this, let me get the I g chopping up
you talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
That, that's what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
More man, God, he mess my whole night up. Man.
As soon as I thought was on the same pain.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
Hey look hey, cole, coach will call y'all be like
man I called.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Oh, he said he was on his way. He still
ain't got here. Yeah, I'm gonna matter fast, wait outside,
I'm on my what man.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
So so another bench started cut bo Jackson, EMM Smith
for Barry Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Mm hmmmm, I'm starting starting Barry, you already know the
rest I'm benching hell out of. And uh that's personal, man,
that's personal person. And uh yeah, I'm gonna bring I'm
gonna bring bow off the bench.

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Favorite Washington Redskin player, your favorite Washington Redskins player of
all time and not nobody obviously not no you know,
recent like back when you was growing up as a young.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Mm hmm, great woman, great one a.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Month.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
Mm hmmm, great answer overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Or g lea overseas.

Speaker 8 (01:19:16):
So let's let's transition to the women's game.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
I asses, I think last week the n w A
class that just came in for twenty five, or last
year's class of twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Four said, then what n w A the w n
B A. Hey, coach Miller said, the n w A.

Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
Oh, easy every transition to the women's the w NB.
That's the twenty four class of twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
What's that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Caitlin Anguries twenty four?

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
Right, yeah, you got Paige the key Key and Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
The young lady from Uh and River. I mean Kaitlyn
Clark now changed the bad I gotta go Kaitlyn Clark
and the Angel. They kind of changed the narrative of
that money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's what SEC or Big Ten football.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's all right.

Speaker 7 (01:20:21):
So I'm gonna say these names and you give me
one word answer. Mark Schmidt.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Genius mm hmm. Can I say too offensive? Genius? Okay?
Joe Wooten mm hmm. I plead the fifth.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
May what's up with all y'all? Ahen basketball players? Pleading
the fifth on y'all? Coach Sophy did the same thing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:06):
I did do that. I did do that when they
asked me about for now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I'm trying to have a bright feature and be the
fifth champ respectfully. Yeah, all right, mindy l what you
call it? Old dog? Yeah? That Lewis Lewis d or
love like gotta be there, Mandy Alla what love?

Speaker 7 (01:21:38):
You already saw this a one wad answer for Mindyl.

Speaker 8 (01:21:43):
You he.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Did.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
He did a gesture. That's that's all we need. Phenomena,
phenomenon amazing that you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Go wrong with that. Hey hey, Mark, just ain't a
rapid five question. Do they still hoop at that rec
center that it used to be a rec center up
there boys and Girls Joint? Yeah, dude, they used to
hoop up there on Saturday morning. Good. They have some
good bump up there back in the day. I think Okay, okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
A little yeah. I think that's a little yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's like the little you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
people come all over and get some bump up there. Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
So I know, I know it's a lot of I
know it's a lot of names. But give me your
top five Virginia guard out of high school, Northern whatever
whatever you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
How do you want to?

Speaker 6 (01:22:44):
You know, I know you got the seven five seven,
you got you know, you gote whatever part of Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Want top five guys. Yeah, I'm not going to Oh
that's me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I'm gonna go chuck bubba chuck. Okay. Man, that's a
hell of a question. Man, God, I'm gonna go. I
gotta go to the legend for me growing up, Mikey Horton,

(01:23:21):
the people I've seen kill uh my man on the
are you a god go last for everything that I've seen?
Oh man, it's so thank God though. Yeah, it was
a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:23:38):
It was a lot, especially for you killed it with
donand God.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
That was a good question.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
What is so I'm gonna throw one out there for
you if I think he was considered that. What what
do you feel about Ronald Carry High School?

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
For now?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I mean number one play in the country speak for us,
I mean phenomenal. Yeah, I mean we can say Tony
Rutland it was. Yeah, Man, it's a lot of God.
Vole Brown, Scottie Reynolds, Grant, Yeah, I mean, man, hell
of a question. Coach Miller, Hubert Davis, Hubert Davis, Yeah you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Yes, who I'm missing in Alexander. I mean Oci was
the hell of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
A god Coach.

Speaker 7 (01:24:22):
He was the ship. He was the blueprint to Hooper's
like you. He was five point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
God absolutely so Dame, I mean Damon man, coach milk
for me man growing up in Alexandra, Man, some of
the best guys I had to access to him just
right to.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Say you you got you got, you got the whole
Alexandra right there.

Speaker 8 (01:24:43):
You probably ain't fine from Alexander wouldn't have nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Off and I do that.

Speaker 8 (01:24:48):
It's your list, your list.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I'm going people might be offended. I'm sorry. I'm going
Michael Horton, Obie, I'm going Oci, I'm going ms Vow Alexandra.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Yeah, he find here from the West Side over there
by Ramsey. Oh and Bob, I'm yeah absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Mm there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
So there's a good satin way to to the last question.
Uh or do you got something?

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
I'm good gook.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So there there's a question.

Speaker 7 (01:25:25):
We asked all of our d m V hoop legends
that that come on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
So if you can take so eleven hoopers, you included
so ten other players that you can take with you,
whether it's Cali, New York, Chicago, wherever. Who are you
going to take from the DMV. I don't care if
it's from from high school, street ball, legend, college, they

(01:25:52):
made it, made it to the league or whatever. But
people you played with that you would take with you
to any of these cities and to go bump against
that that competition that I.

Speaker 7 (01:26:03):
Played with, that that you like played with or you
or you and yeah you played again so you see.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, and it could be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
From high school, playground, legend, college pro whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Is a good question, is uh b Moore? Is Baltimore
considered d n V. You can make it that today,
all right? Usually not, but today talk to people I
played with, have played against my air. I'm gonna go,
you said myself. I'm gonna go mellow mm hmm. I'm
gonna go hometown. I've been everywhere with him. He don't

(01:26:42):
duck enough. I'm gonna go. Jason Ingram, Yes, sir, I'm
gonna go down your towns mm hmmm mm hmmm. I'm
gonna go. Keith Blanks.

Speaker 8 (01:26:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
People might not remember Keith. He gave lebron fits. He
played for Assault, big guy sixty six. You know, like
other people just ain't continue to play. But shout out
to Keith Man. Hell of a player. I'm gonna take
that's five r ip. I'm gonna bring Sponge with me.
I'm gonna bring SpongeBob with me. That's six.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Who else am I? Aaron Man?

Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
I'm I mean, I mean my nobody in Maryland. I
mean damn, I mean you've got no love for people
in Maryland. What's going on with y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Gonna go Katie. I'm gonna bring Jeff Green. Uh Now,
I need some bigs. I got about three more Katie,
Jeff Green. People might not remember young and he went
to Roosevelt, Donelle Dockson, he was went to Kentucky. I'm
gonna bring him. It's two more. Yeah, it was even

(01:27:49):
nice average like thirty the roads. Oh man, he can
bull big time. Man. I need two more. I need
somebody in the street. I ain't calling no street. Oh,
I gotta bring my man bout Jackson. Yeah. Yeah, I
bringed super Bowl with me and uh one more. I'm

(01:28:09):
gonna bring big Roy hippet Man, give me a center
Roy big great question though.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Code Yeah yeah that hey hey that mind right there
can go against anybody, man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Man, Yes, sir, that's a good.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
That's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
That's a good.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Mall right there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:28:30):
Well, damn man Ship, this was This was an awesome interview, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Man, thanks for having me, fellas was man. We appreciate
you man just rapping and your success man and your
upcoming season as well.

Speaker 5 (01:28:44):
To man, whatever whatever we could do, mane one of
my one of my friends, her h, her son.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
He a guard on the team at uh at Good Counsel,
light skinned, a little young. I forgot. Yeah he had
Good Counsel right now? Is his mom named? Uh h,
I don't know. He like light skinned, a little younger.

(01:29:13):
He can bookie. I think he probably made. He probably
like a junior. He probably a junior.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
His mom went to his mom went to Towson and
uh she used to I think.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
I forgot, I forgot, I forgot his last name.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
But anyway, she used to date one of my boys
that I used to work out with, you know, we
used to train football and all that stuff or whatever.
And because it was somebody else that was coaching the basketball.
Oh what's the who was the who was coaching the
freshman team at Good Council last year? Fontaine? Yeah, so

(01:29:56):
so Fontaine was coaching I think last year. Okay, and
then maybe he might be only a sophomore. Okay, you
got yeah, he here underclassman for sure, he like a sophomore,
junior or whatever matter of fact.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Hold him Okay, man, have you got a chance to
see Darius Biffin's play?

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah? Yeah, I see what you think about his game?
I like him, Kobe, I like him. I hate to
be a critican. I don't know about the motor Man.
I like him a lot, though. I like him. I
don't know if he if he should play that the
level they got him at now. I just don't know
the physicality. But but he a hell of a point guard.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
I like, yeah, I like I like yeah we we
uh he he stopped doing the show man. He a
shot young man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
No man shot Yeah. Yeah, and he see the game
through a different lens. Man he sees played before it happened.
So I'm just saying, if he gets stronger and he
on his way. Yeah. He's not originally from Alexander Coch.

Speaker 7 (01:31:03):
She originally from California. He's a colleague kid and he came.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Here like right around middle school. He went to GW.
I want to see where you go?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
He told us said, if it was one school that
he would pick right now, he would go to Harvard.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Harvard with no hesitation, no hesitation.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Yeah, he said, like I was, you know your boy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
I was like, man, that makes it. I've seen he
put Banford and all he like, like got all them
and Notre Dame and all them in the top like
ten yeah, right, shout out to him. Man, keep grinding,
keep grinding, getting O'Connor back to winning. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
People troubling, Yeah, absolutely in the mind of we we
have a lot of viewers and listeners today. Uh, Any
any words that you would like to give to them,
especially for our younger viewers and listeners who may may
be aspiring to be following your footsteps as a big
time ballplayer or a coach or or skills training.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
What do you have any words that you could could
leave them with no doubt? Man, anybody listening to you,
or even my age or whatever age, just go for everyone.
Lock in, man, and run your own race. I'm big
on tunnel vision. I feel like the youth right now,
they kind of with disaccessibility, everything they worried about wrong
man walking, had that tunnel vision and try to I

(01:32:33):
tell them, telling my daughters, he's playing like we're trying
to just get one percent better every day.

Speaker 7 (01:32:38):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I'm not trying to. I think if you just keep
working every day, say we do thirty minutes every day, man,
that turned into a hour be COVID, you've seen it.
I mean, all it takes is time.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
You just got to grind and the work, the works
before itself. We all know the work is the work.
You put the work in, you're gonna reap the rewards.
So just keep your head down, pause and just keep running. Absolutely,
that's dope. That's dope.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Well again, man, we we appreciate you from the bottom
of our heart for joining us on the shoulders with
a fire interview.

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
You welcome back here anytime with no notice, just just
you know, pull.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Up, dropping in. We're gonna talk some football this year.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's your question though, Cob, Is that
who h Kamal was going off to see he used
to go out to Arizona.

Speaker 7 (01:33:31):
Yeah, okay, okay, Julie Kamal was flaying with me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I put it together because you know, yeah, my man,
Michelle and my mom best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
Oh, that's dope.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Talking. I just put it all together. Man.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Yeah, hey, before before we let you go, before we
let you go, since you're a Commander fan, what's what's
your thoughts on the whole thing with Scary Terry?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
What you thought, y'all you're gonna get that done? And
what you're thinking we need to get this thing done. Man,
I don't know what Terry doing man, But it started
to make me nervous at first. I was like, man,
he's gonna sign But I'm like, man, what's going on now?
I'm a little nervous. Coach Mill But man, get that man,
you got Debo, he's got number one. Nah, he ain't
not your number one. What you think, Cole, what we're

(01:34:18):
gonna do? Man? I don't know what them bull's gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Hey, hey, but if I was gonna tell you one thing,
they need to sign him because he's a security blanket
for Jaydon Dames. And if you think even prior to
Jaydon Daniels even coming on, coming on the team, being
drafted or whatever, he was the only consistent thing about
that team. He played well. It didn't matter who was

(01:34:46):
throwing on the ball. He'll have a thousand yards damn
there honey catches every year. So he's been like, your
the cornerstone of the franchise since he's been there. So
I mean, if anything, you want to reward him for that.
And then too, you don't want to want to set
up your superstar quarterback after you're coming off a great
rookie year and not having this main man to throw

(01:35:08):
the ball to.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
That's that's so you're making him have to build chemistry
with somebody else, brand new right out the gate.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
That's a confidence dump right there. Man, take you gotta worry.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
About Yeah, I can send Scared Tarier ooh way and
go forty five minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
I'm up the best way to Baltimore and we get it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Cracking football, you, sir, those sir man. I appreciate y'all
having me on though. For real, Do y'all play pv
OUT all this year? Coach, y'all play pv R this year. Okay,

(01:35:51):
be right in the back yard. Okay, across that food,
Jordan smith Man, we got playing, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
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thank all about listeners and viewers for tuning in each
and every week. Continue to support us. We're gonna continue
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Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
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