TNCSSP S4 EP 170 - Ramod Marshall

Former University of Dayton basketball superstar, Ramod Marshall discusses his college and professional basketball career!!

Episode Transcript

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You know when we had these podcasts, man, you know
we always kick it, have fun to get wine and
then you know it's always better when you got a
special guest and the dougout ready to come out. You
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even gonna waste our views of listener's time. Man, let
me let me bring him out guests for tonight. Tonight's

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guest is a hoops legend out of Charlotte, North Carolina
and former superstar guard from the University of Dayton, where
he scored over fifteen hundred points and five hundred de
cists for his career while being named All Atlantic ten
multiple times, All Atlantic ten Tournament Team, and All Atlantic
ten Turning MVP. Then he took his talent to your

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to begin his professional basketball career. So you know what,
without further ado, welcome to the note capt Sports Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
My Man, my brother Marshall.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
What's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Folks?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Bro was good?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Tell us?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
We appreciate.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, absolutely, Man, glad to have your on here.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
A lot of views and listeners Ben been waiting for
your interview. You know, we've been putting it out there
against some feelings. Man, we finally got your here. I
know you're not a stranger to the show. You've been
on here before, uh as part of one of our panels.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
But now we get to focus on you and.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Talk about your your awesome career that you that that
you experienced.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Appreciate it absolutely, It's pleasure to be on here. I
appreciate you'all guys having me on here again. And like
I said, Man, I always gonna support and you know,
I appreciate the platform for real.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah, absolutely appreciate it. So so for my you know,
at the No Castports Show, we like to start from
the beginning. So you know, we know what type of
awesome and instellar career that you had in terms of
a basketball start, but when did it start? Like when
when did your athletics career start? Was it basketball? Was

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it another sport? And who was that inspiration for you?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Man? It started, I say when I was five.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I remember Pops he had put me out Depepop won
the football and at the time it started at six
and seven. So I remember he was like, you're gonna
go out here. He was like, but when they go
out there on telling you five. So I'm like, all right,
I ain't really know what he was talking about. But
but what messed me up though, was as soon as
we got into drills, they said, all right, six year

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olds go this way, seven year olds go this way.
So you know, my five year old ass sitting there like,
which where do I go? And so that's where it started.
I started out of football, man, I was a star
and net I actually got MVP of the league at
five years old. And then I pretty much played everything bro.
I played baseball, football, even you know, did a little

(03:52):
bit of a soccer, but for the most part threw out.
I played baseball up till my junior year in high school.
Football I had to stop because the high school I
went to, I hate to say it, we were just
so bad, bro.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Like I couldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
So after a while, man, it just ended up basketball
was my love, you know, just from Au and all that.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
It started to take more of the time of all
the other sports.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I did track as well, and then after a while, bro,
I just you know, stuck with the basketball because honestly,
that was the one sport that I wasn't getting the recognition.
You know, in football, I was scoring four or five touchdowns, baseball,
hitting home runs, pitcher at first base. But basketball, they
just wasn't really giving me the love I fell out
should have got. So I think that's what kind of

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made me have a love for it and kind of
pushed for it more.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, go ahead, coach.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
So so coming up in that so I heard you
say basketball was your actual love. So coming up, when
when did you When did you realize that? Like I said,
around what age did you realize basketball was.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
It for you?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'd say probably around eleven twelve.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
That's when kind of like the AAU scene where it
was like we really was playing guys from across the nation,
and I'm kind of seeing where I'm at with other
guys across the country and also with my team. I'm
noticing that, you know, we our group is one of
the best in the country. We always in third. Uh
we even won one that's championship fifth. You know, we
would always be at the top.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
So I knew we.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Had, you know, not just talent around locally, you know,
that was a talent nationwide. And so I say around
eleven twelve when it just really started to be that
thing where it was like, this is what I want
to do, and you know, pursuit, you know, you just
want to get to college.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
At that point, I wasn't even thinking, you know, pro anything.
At that point.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was just more or less, go get a D
one scholarship, you know, so the peoples they ain't got
to pay for school and stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
You know. M So was your so was your competition.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
At your hospital scene or was it that your AAU scene,
Like where was the competition that and where were you
getting your looks from?

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Or was it a little bit of mix of both?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Truth be told, men, and I didn't get much like locally, everybody.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Knew, like I was one of the top in Charlotte
and even in the state because the team that I
played with we grew up from I say we were seven
years old. We went sixty nine to zero before we
lost the game, and that was the only truth to
be told because I didn't show up.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I went to AU tryout.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Instead of going to the championship game because I thought
it was the week after, and we lost that game
by two points. But that same team picked us up,
me and the other guy that was the best player
named tc He They picked us up for the state championship,
so we ended up getting the state anyway. But after that, man,
we just throughout the years, you know, I was nice
locally and in the state, but nationwide for it's getting recruited,

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it just wasn't really happening. And then so I say,
around my junior year, I played AAU and I played
with this guy named Jason Parker, who was a McDonald's
All American at the time.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Went to Kentucky and a couple other.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Guys that that they had some you know that that
that backing behind them, and from that the universe of
Georgia came down to the Peach Jam that summer and
luckily being underrated, all those other guys at the time
were up at the Adidas camp that we can and
so it was kind of just me as the guy
as far as one of the starters that were still

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with the team. So I had a good tournament and
then that's when the University of Georgia kind of got
on my radar. And then I don't know if it's
one of those things that once one of those kind
of big d ones get on, that's when everybody follows.
But that's when that kind of happened. And then I
got the opportunity to go to four KM Military Academy,
which I think is what helped me for real getting

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to school because coming from Garange grades and everything else
wasn't quite right.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
But I ended up going to four Kenyon.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, and then I just want to just just take
it back a little bit because because we was going
to get into all of that.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
But that's that's great information.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
So you made your name initially from the AAU circuit,
right right, So you started started young AU circuit. So
entering into high school, did you go to like your
district high school or was there like a.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Bidding war for you?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Was there options you could have in terms of the
high school you went to. So how did that work?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I will say it definitely wasn't no bedding war.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
I would say I had one opportunity to go to
the school called Probablyence Day, which is a private school,
and they, you know, they wanted me to sit back
a year and then stay back a year and then play.
And at the time, I just wasn't trying to hear
sitting back another year in school. That just didn't make
sense to me at all. And at the same time, too,
I was a kid from the hood. I wanted to
go to my local school. I wanted to go to Guarantee, which,

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don't get me wrong on has the best reputation in Charlotte.
But it was my folk and that's where I wanted
to go, and so I stuck with that. And like
I said, really it was just a matter of fact.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Let me give credit.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
It was a guy named Coach Pete who travels around
and looks for a diamindson the rough and we were
playing this school called West Charlotte for the conference I
think semi finals or something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Had a pretty good game. We ended up losing, but
I had a pretty good game.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
And after the game, I remember he was talking to
our coach, but you know, at the time, I didn't
know who he was at Also, when he spoke to me,
because we lost, I spoke to him, but I kind
of blew him off, not thinking that you know, it
really even was anything.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And I said, a couple of weeks later, I saw
that same guy.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
He was walking with a guy in a military outfit,
and I again didn't know who they were, but they
was walking with my coach.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
And again, because I've always been kind of.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Overlooked or whatever, I'm thinking they're there for maybe somebody
else on our team or whatever it may be.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
And eventually they called him.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
In the office and that's when they presented me with
that opportunity of coming out to tryout, because you have
to try out to get him the fourth pigion.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
So he gave me the opportunity to try out.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
And that's kind of where that started on that and
I would say that's what kind of got me rolling
for is really getting recruited, because again, but it was
kind of quiet before that.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Okay, yeah, you know, I just ma'am, I just had
to apologize to you for having to go to Fourth
Union because you.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Know I'm a hard you know, I'm a hard Grave.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
We used to spik, y'all boys.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
You know, don't don't act like we wouldn't We wouldn't
write there with y'all. Now, don't act like that now,
especially that on that good eye. But yeah, no, y'all
was nice though, y'all was not. Matter of fact, the
year that I was at Fourth Union, David West was
at hard Grave.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, real nice.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, we used to enjoy going and playing in the
Fourth Union tournament. Uh, y'all used to put us in
that uh that bullshit ass Bergs gave us a little
bag lunch.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I said, many here.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, that's that's that's that's how we're thinking that.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
You already know.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
That's how we.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Looking under underneath the stadium where you hear everything. Yeah,
he can't do nothing, look that.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, there used to be some talent up that way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
We uh, I think we played winching in in the
championship for that tournament.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
They that's when they had Victor Page. Okay, yeah, whoof
Yeah that was he was a monster.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah that was my AU teammates. So we was real close.
So yeah, it was one of those bragging right things.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
That's where you got to go on.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, So and of course, like you know, you go
somewhere like Fourth Union, Like you said, recruiting's gonna pick up,
you know what I mean? How was those practices like
in terms of the competition one and then usually you
know you go to prep school, you on the national level,
so you got college coaches like coming to your practices,
watching you play like all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So what tell us about that experience? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:40):
It was dope man coach legendary recipes to him, Coach Fletcher,
Eric he uh Man.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
He knew every coach in the country.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
When I say every like Dean Smith coach k I've
seen them call him personally just to talk to him,
not even about nothing else, just just hollering at them.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Just you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
He just had those type of relationships and what he
would do before the season would start, he would call
him coaches nights.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
They was on.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Saturday, and literally he would ask you it did not matter.
He didne cared about if you would really like that
or not. If you said you wanted to go to Carolina, Syracuse,
wherever you said you wanted to go. He was gonna
call them coaches, and you was gonna at least have
one night on a Saturday night where that coach is
gonna be able to see you play, and all and
all he would do, he sit over there and talk
to the coaches. He don't coach. He just take both
point guards. We picked teams, and we just played pick

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up throughout the night. And I'm talking about every coach
that you can name of just sitting on the sideline
just I mean, some of them. It looked like they're
paying attention, some of them and not. You never know,
but they dore. And so that's what you get to do.
That for about maybe three I'd say three weeks, three Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
In a row.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
And then after that, I will say, that's when you
know whoever is kind of on you started to hear from.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And then when the season started, see the way the
coach did it, it was a little different. He felt like
he trying to get everybody in D one and so
he would tell point guard shoe and guards small.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
For he would tell everybody.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
What your minutes was, how many are gonna be out there,
how long you gonna sit? So basically he telling you
when you're out there, you better you better figure out,
you better show out, because everybody gonna get a chance
on this squad. And I would, don't get me wrong.
You know, some of them teams where because we only
lost like maybe y'all, I think four games, and we
really probably only should have lost maybe one. I'll give

(13:26):
you two, but some of those games because of the substitution.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
You know, you kind of hate it.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
But at the end of the day, I will say, everybody,
all twelve men on our team got to d one,
so you know that what he was set out to do,
he accomplished, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And so, uh it.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
Made everybody kind of step the game up because everybody
knew they had to be worthy of the game. And uh,
you know, very military style. We had to wear our
socks two inches off the off our shoe. We had
to wear jocks, drafts. No wife be there, Like it
was crazy, but he had you such in a in
a kind of military mindset of you know, being focused
and really playing and you know, the game being first,

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nothing else. He wouldn't even matter of fact, he wouldn't
even let us eat before the game, like you gotta
be hunger before you play, and so you know, it
was one of those things that helped a lot of us,
you know, be able to transition into D one our
freshman year and be ready and I already be ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
So so who's your your top five schools like in
terms of that was recruiting you and who who did
you take visits to?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
All Right, so I would.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Say University of Georgia, Virginia Tech, who else was all
considering at the time.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Boston College came on at the end.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
I'm just naming you the top ones because beforehand it
was more like a fireman and uh shit, uh maybe
a South Florida I think was at me for a
little bit oh two lane mh. But for the most part,
I was already you know, University of Georgia was where
I was going. Coach Jersey Ron Geerger, that was at

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date when I was there. He was the head coach
at the time. He had took over for Tubby when
Tubby went to Kentucky and but they fired him after
he recruited us. And mind you, we was like the
number two recruiting class in the nation. That yeah, it
was me and Darnelle Harvey Doarnia Harvey. People don't know
he was going to Georgia first before he went to war. Uh,
he only left the fired coach Dersey and they brought
again Jim herrickan so he left and with the Florida

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and pretty much I think it was six of us.
Only one of us stay. It's got Israel Williams. But yeah, man,
so I was That's where.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I was at with it.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
I mean, I kind of thought about Boston College, but
that's when you bought Troy Beale was up there, and
at the time I just felt like, you know, I
ain't trying to sit behind nobody, you know, but not
thinking we probably could have been a good tandem. But uh,
you know, so I would say it was Georgia. And
then Dayton came along because Jersey ended up being at Dayton.
I saw him that following year and when I was
at prep school up in Maine, and then, you know,

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it's just kind of flowed from me because y'all had
that hell of a year.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
When they went when I went to tournament and everything.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
So let's let's go back a little bit. So the
what was the what was the transit? Because a lot
of people don't know about Charlotte. Man, Charlotte is like
his own little island, right uh. And and I know
very well versed with Charlotte because my son. We spent
a lot of time down to Lake normally because my
son was in the au, So we spent a lot
of time down there playing all and so it's one

(16:22):
of them, one of them tricky areas. Right, you roll
over into something, you got good, you got money on
one side, So explain what was that like from like
you said, you you had that hood mentality, right, So
what was that like to go from Charlotte down to
Fork Union. I heard what it was like to play

(16:42):
for the coach, but from Charlotte to Fork Union it's
a crazy transit.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Man, I remember when they were telling me we had
to put on them as shorts, and mind you know,
this is the baggy era, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, what do you mean wearing shorts to
my thighs?

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Like y'all tripping?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Like?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And then let me tell you another funny story.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
So I had never because when we was in high school,
when we took after after practice or whatever, we went
home and showered and all that, like, we never took
showers around.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Each other, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
So when I went to forth Union, they said you
gotta bring swim swimming trunks, right, So you know, I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
That's what the swimming trunks for.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
So I go to the Bears to go take my
shower with it, but I got my swimming trunks on.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I'm looking around and I'm like, boy, these motherfuckers and
here wow, like but they like yeah, like they I mean,
I thought they said trunks.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Don't nobody want to use them, you know what I mean? Like,
and then I remember the contessa was like, bro, what
you doing. I'm like, I like, what y'all doing? Like
y'all you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Saying, y'all.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
And then coach here had he was like, nah, Marshall,
we won't do that.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
He was like, you supposed to get And I remember
that being like the biggest coaches socked to me because
you know, niggas in the hood, we was shod in
front of each other.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So yeah, man, that threw me off.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
But other than that, bro, like, don't get me wrong,
like the getting up early because you had to get
up at like five through the morning and I'm talking
about like the TV shit to a trumpet and all
that other shit, like you had to be standing at attention,
they had to do their headcount, make sure nobody went
a wall. All that stuff was aggravating, But after a while, bro,
it puts you in such a like a routine that
you just kind of it's part of your date.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And it tied a lot of discipline that I probably needed.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
You know, I met a lot of guys because honestly,
for a fun the way it's set up, it's either
athletes or basically trustee baby, like you know, kids who
my mom and dad have got all kind of money,
and you know what I'm saying. So you get to
you get to meet some o the other side of
the world, you know what I mean. But y'all all
in one place, so it kind of like brings y'all together.

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There's no more of that separation in a way. And
then you know, if you if you are willing to
kind of open your mind and talk to these guys,
you know, you're able to learn some stuff and developed
relationships that you you know, you kind of have for
the rest of your life, you know what I mean.
So that was kind of kind of like one of
those things that I would say. It was eye open
up for a lot of the other stuff. But it
was also a blessing because you know, again I needed
to see other things besides you know, the little circumference

(19:14):
I was in.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Fact, Hey, hey, remind you you had me reminiscing. Man
when that damn horn went off in the morning, Bro,
that was the word. Man, that was the worst sound
I ever heard in my life. Man, you get here.
The basketball team was on Birds four and now football
team was on Birds three, And you never heard so

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many cuts words in the morning, man, just everybody on floors. Man,
that was the worst.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Man. It's hell, bro, And I'm talking about then.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Mind, you gotta understand two we up there, it's all gays,
ain't noing.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, you know I'm talking about that.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yeah, which which made the shower experience even more crazy, right,
ain't no.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
But but it was it was crazy because I know
because I never mind had the same experience like we
when we were in pres school and a military pre school.
At that Man, it felt like you was in prison.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I mean, because like you said, there was a shower situation.
Then you had to be in your room, lights out
at a certain time. You got people flash and flashlight
making sure you're you're being asleep. You know what I'm saying,
the bull rink if you get in trouble, all that stuff. Man,
it was crazy, right.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
We had a situation where they kept the white boys
kept doing that dip when they were getting the bathroom stalls.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
So they kept signing it right. Man.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You know these motherfuckers took the stalls out the bathroom. Say,
if you're taking the ship, you right there beside the
motherfucker like, look, they took the right.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, they weren't playing around that buddy at.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
All, the one who did well, who was doing it right.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
But the perk I had, you know, we're playing basketball
they had in mind, I said, it's all male school.
So they only had I think one maybe two female
bathrooms on the whole campus, and one of them was
at the gym, because of course they would let locals
come and watch the game. So I would always go
down to the gym. You know what I'm saying, when
I need to do whatever I need to do, I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
But I'm not sitting besides like that five and we're
not doing it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's crazy, right, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
So my talk talk to us about Okay, you finally
decided to sign with the University of Dayton, So tell
us about that transition you leaving Fourth Union and starting
your freshman year at Dayton.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Okay, well, before I get there, I don't want to
skip over the part of after Fourth Union. You remember
signed with Georgia and then when they left, when they
when they fired coach Jersey. When Jim Herrick came down,
he was cool, and I was you know, you go
down for the summer before school start, so he was cool.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
But it was just something about.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Him that you know, you know, you already had that
weapon haation at u c LA, then at Rhode Island,
so if there's something about it that just didn't feel right.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
So make a long story short.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I ended up finding a prep school up in Maine
called brig Bridgton Academy.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Yeah, So I went up there, and so, you know,
just to get re recruited because technically when I was
at Four Union, I was a senior, so this is
technically my post grad year at UH at Upper Bridgeton,
and so you know, I'm up there and I'm and
Koran Butler MCI is our rivals up there, just like.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Four Union and Hard Grave rivals up there.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
So Karan Butler was at MC at the time, so
we playing them, Nigga were in the club.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Were kicking it.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
I'm you know, me and him basically the top guys
up there. But I ain't getting recruited.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So I'm like something, ma, right, some.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Just went out, you good, You're good, okay, and let
me get this.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Something popped up on mind, all right, appreciate my bad
and so basically, you know, I'm like, what's going on.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
So that's when I run into coach Jersey one of
the tournaments and he says, uh, what are you doing
up here? He was like, you're probably not getting recruited
because he was like, this is my job. And I
didn't even know he was up here. And so that's
how Dayton got introduced to me. And they had a
black coach at the time, and like I said, they
had a hell of a year. And so in my mind,
I'm like, do I go back to Georgia and do

(23:36):
I go to this school where it's kind of up
and coming. It seemed like I'm coming right in and
contribute and I felt like, you know, the eighteen was
it was it was a decent, decent conference, so it
felt more like a fit, you know, like, all right,
I think this is something I could come in and
kind of be a big fish in a little pond
type of thing. And so, you know, I kind of

(23:57):
when I got up to Daton, man, it felt right.
I felt like, you know, it was it was basically
spot for me to be able to come in and
contribute right away at the time. You know, they wanted
me to play the one and two. So I felt
like that's what I was looking for because I wanted
somewhere where at least I have a chance to play
both positions, so that opens up more playing time my
freshman year because already know how that goes. And so
uh kind of fell into place, and you know, I

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decided to sign with him.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Nice go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I think I'm still on. I think I'm no Carolina too.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
And I don't know if you know the connection the
Right Brothers on our tags at home, on the back
of our cars, it says first in flight, the Right
Brothers flew down to uh North Carolina to fly the plane.
So that's why we were dating fly You get what
I'm saying. So it's a connection that you know, I
never knew.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Wow, yeah that's dope. Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (24:56):
So when you got to uh, when you got the Dayton,
who was who was the or was there someone like
you said you you felt like it was a big
fish in.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
A small pond.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
But who was someone that helped you make you transition
like a O G or the veteran or did you
just come in and you were a big dog in
a small punk?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Like how how was that.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
When I said that, you know, I'm going off you
don't sign the University of Georgia and just kind of
feeling like, you know whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
But for us coming in, I mean, Tony Stander was
the man.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
It wasn't even no question about it, hands down, he
was the man, so coming in you know. But also
if them guys to tell you when we had started
playing at the what was it called Kobe the Joints
Sound on campus play house, Yeah, we're playing at the
field House. You know, my mentality was ship. I'm trying

(25:51):
to you know, I'm going that boys, I'm talking ship
all that. So my mentality was I'm gonna be playing
now I got a route of awakening, you know, coach
coach panel them. You know, we because we started out
and MAUI and so I would say, for as Tony
Stanley just to get back to answering question. Tony Stanley,
he you know, he was helpful, Yontay holland him being

(26:13):
from Dayton, I think it was a big help because
he kind of got me.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I com made it to the city.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
It was funny because he took me to and I'm
pretty sure cut you probably being he took me to
the Roosevelt Gym in another way. And you know, we
played pick up ball all day, you know, because I
used to always be telling the fellaws like, man, what
is it that I'm trying to get off campus?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like this?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Ain't you know this? Capt shit? Ain't it for me?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
And and I remember after we played some of them
boys was like, bro, a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Of them dating boys. I'm be coming over here. And
in my head, I ain't think I did nothing specially.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
I thought this just you know what motherfuckers supposed to do,
you know, you just go find you hope, you know
what I mean. And so, you know, I would say
with Tony on the on the court and then for
as Jonte, you know, just off the court.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
And then I got to always shout out my.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Boy Nate Green.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
You know, that's my or to this day, I would say,
he's the one that got me, you know, used to
college life. Yeah, at that party, seeing that you know
where they at, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
So all three of them to me, you know what
I'm saying, kind of curated my my start to my college.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Man, that's dope.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
So so when when you was at dating and season started,
when when did you like really hit your stride when
you know, Okay, now I'm comfortable. Now now it's time
for me to go ahead and make some noise.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
I said, Well, okay, just so give you a perspective
of my first three games in my college career. First game,
we start off out. We got Yukon. That's when they
got Chealik Brown, Koran Butler, all.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
On boys On.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
They're like number twelve in the country. So we played them.
I get in the game. Soon as I get in
the game, first half, my score don't get noh more burned.
But we win that game. Second game, we play Arizona.
They're the number one team in the country. They got
Richard Jeffers and Gibe. The ring is Luke Walton, Arner

(28:11):
Wright was They got everybody, so got in the game again.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
First had with Gilbert on me, scored on him.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Didn't getting no more burn to the second hand because
we end up getting blown out by like fifteen.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
You know, our coach put us in at the end.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Then the third we played Maryland for third place.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
They got your Botwan Dixon, they got Baxter, they got Blake,
they got everybody. Coach, give me a little more burn.
I had two threes in the floor that had eight points.
We win that game. We got ranked in the nation.
We come back, we're playing Cincinnati. They number were like
number twenty four in the country. They got Steve Logan,
they got Sadafield. You know they're still nice. They got

(28:47):
little I'm thinking, you know, I didn't show them. Coach,
you know I'm ready right, I ain't getting no burn
that whole game. He put me in at the end
of the game because we was up like twenty in
the first had but then they came back and we
down twenty, and he put me in the game for
like a minute. You know, I pulled, I pulled. I
got me a shot up and got a point. But yeah,

(29:11):
so I'd say about three four more games went by
bro and then we was up at Saint Bonaventure, and uh,
matter of fact, I can't remember who we played before that,
but whoever we played before Saint Bonaventure, Brooks got hurt.
He twisted his ankle, and so when we went up
to Saint Bonaventure, he had to start me and I
had eighteen that game. And from that point on, I think,

(29:32):
if I can remember correctly, from that point on the
second half of the season, I technically was either right behind
Tony or right there edit as the highest score on
the team.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
And so I will say that Saint Bonaventure game is when.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I will say I felt comfortable as long as the
coaches felt as comfortable. So I started to be steady
into rotation at that point.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Okay, and when you got there, so it was the
starting point guard day, they yeah, yeah, David Morris day,
they were okay, yeah, So.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Most of the time I was coming then, either for
him or Tony, depending on who he got the game first.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
So that was kind of my rotation, you know what
I'm saying at the time.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Okay, So do you remember, like who that that person
with that first person that you cooked and the first
person that cooked you.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Ugh, let me see here. I mean, first of all,
I ain't nobody cooked me. Oh I'm gonna say anybody who.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
You know, it was a tough matchup.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I say that, Uh well, I always got to throw up.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
I mean when we played Barquette, uh you know, they
had Dwayne Wade. They was number nine in the country
at that point. This was the that was the junior
year when they went to the final four, when we
played them at Dayton on ESPN, and uh you know
they got twenty three and ten. So to me, that's
that's definitely one of my standout games. I had thirty
on Ducuane thirty three. I think I used to love

(31:00):
to play at Losalle in the gym. It was a shooter.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
The gym had a couple of you know, twenty five
games and there, so.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I mean, I can't I don't really remember because I
you know, to be honest with you, Kobe, I ain't
saying this to be arrogant. I never really looked at
who it was in front of me for as the matchup.
It's like I got to kill regardless of who it is.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
So I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
Who all got the points, but uh, you know me,
You know, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up
me and Jamia Nelson's battles. A lot of times we
were even out, you know, somewhere like eighteen and eighteen
on both sides.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
The only problem was if I.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Checked Jamia Nelson, then Delonte West would have Damn near thirty.
And if I checked Delonte West and Jamia would have
Dann at thirty or if not more than thirty. So
that was always tough playing against them, guys.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now, be honest with you. They didn't cook me.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
But I wouldn't be fair if I just didn't say, Man,
David West gave us fifty two.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
So yeah, I got you know.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I just gotta I gotta wear that with everybody. You
know what I'm saying. He gave us fifty two. I
knew that was the pro the first time I saw
him play. But yeah, he was he was man, he
was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah, David westkin, he can ball.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
The first time I saw him where I think he
was nineteenth grade at Roosevelt, Him and him and Eddie
Baston in the backcourt out here in the DMV and
I was like both boys going pro mm.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
For real?

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yeah, now that they I mean, but around that time
I was in a teen man. It was a bunch
of boys who went to the league. You know, you
had uh from LaSalle, you had Uh David, you had
Lonald Charmers, Ronald Sado, you had obviously Jim and Nelson
and Delonte West. Then they had another guy seven foot
that they made the team, I mean made the league.

(32:49):
And then the boys Hawkins and Collins from Temple.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, it was a bunch of boys.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
People forget uh it was his name like skin boy
from Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
It was at Lasada.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
He played.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Shooting guard. I remember, say come back to me. But
it was another another guy from the SIDA I went
to the league.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, Lasund always had big time scores, right right.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I don't know why remember his name though, light Saint.
He ended up having to leave.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
They had got an into trouble with something with you know,
some harassment the girl or something like that.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
But something Neil, what's the name, something Neil?

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Okay, Gary Neil, Now yeah it was Gary.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
I think it's Gary there to shoot him, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he was there.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Okay, go ahead, coach, So so you you hit your straw?

Speaker 6 (33:37):
When did when did you feel like, like, when did
the team become yours?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
At what point?

Speaker 6 (33:42):
Like you you have some guys, some great guys that
you played behind, had had a nice little squad. When
did you become the go to guy on it when
things started going through you? You running the offense, you
running the show. When did that take place?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I definitely say my junior year, now, my soft y'all.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I was technically the.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Leading scorer because I was the shooting guard, but it
being my team, I would say my junior year. The
that was the first year that coach Pernelle put me
in primarily point guard, no more shooting guard. And I
remember the first practice he handed me the ball and
I normally, you know, he used to call the plays
and practice or tell us what played the run or whatever.
But I remember handing me the ball and then it

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was kind of like an awkward silence because I was
waiting on him to tell me what play the call,
and I just.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Remember he looked at me. He was like, call the
fucking play, and he was basically telling me like it's your.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Team now, and the whole from that point on, he
let me call all the plays. And I loved him
for that because you know, I was able to get
the chemistry with the guys and know what guys wanted
to need it. And uh so from day one of
my junior year, that's when I felt like it was my.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Team because he went ahead and put the ball in
my hands and told me call it, play nice nice.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So was that so?

Speaker 6 (34:55):
So you went from the leading score So when you
became the point guard where you were score first god
or were you looking to set? Like how did that
change your game or did it change it as far
as mentality went?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's that's interesting, you said.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I asked that because it was a struggle bro at first,
I say seven eight games.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I remember coming to coach Forenegg.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
I think we played like Saint Louis up at Saint Louis,
and I remember we got back to Dayton. I went
in his office and I'm like, Coach, this ain't working
because I was trying to play point guard like I had,
you know, quote unquote Saul and you know all that
other message whatever, just thinking I had to do it
a certain way.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
And you know, we just sit down and kind of talked.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
A little bit and he was just like, you know,
just telling me to just kind of find my niche,
and pretty much by the end of the conversation it
was pretty much playing the way you need to play it,
you know what I'm saying. And if not, that's the
way I what I got from the conversation. And so
from there I more or less look at it as
not that I'm gonna be a score first, but I'm
just gonna be aggressive. Whatever comes from that comes from that.
So if I get the shot, I got it. If

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this draws other people and I can I condition get
other people involved, I'm gonna do that. So I didn't
really have a genda anymore. It's just more or less
I'm an attack and then just more or less react
from that.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Got it, got head.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, And it worked out for you because I mean,
you're you're a natural scorer, but you also are is
a great facilitator, and I mean it's evidenced with five
hundred assists for your career. I mean because you look
at some of the better point guards in the A
ten over the years, you know, past first point guards

(36:27):
day around that five hundred and six month, So you
was able to balance both in terms of scoring a
lot of points and additioning and getting the rock to
the right people. So salute to you for that. Indeed,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
And mind you, I only had really two years because
the first two years I wasn't really playing for.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yep, YEP, awesome transition. What would you say was your
team wise, Well, what was your best year at day?
Was that your junior senior year?

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Definitely was junior. That's the year we won. We was
like twenty I want to say twenty five and six.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
I think it was out in the record. We was
like we won an eighteen, We won an eight ten championship.
We had won the regular season on the West and
then we was a fourth seed in the n C
Double A tournament. And still to this day, I regret
how we played in that NC Double A tournament. Man,
we played Toulsa and we just I mean, I just
got to be honest. We got out coached. Everything they

(37:30):
did they was doing the opposite of what we had learned.
We didn't make a lot of adjustments and we just
we just didn't have a lot of guys just didn't
have it that day either, couldn't get guys knocked down shots,
you know, we just I don't know, we just didn't
seem prepared, like I don't know if we overlooked them
because they was a twelve seed. I really don't know,
because it just was kind of lethargic. I remember that

(37:51):
game not having it was no energy. It was just
like everybody was kind of looking around at each other.
I don't know if the lights was too big at
the time, I don't know. It just didn't seem like
guys are really into that game. And even when we
made a little run, you know, it's still just it
never felt like, you know, we really felt like we
was gonna win that game.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's just we was just out there just to be
out there. Yeah, and that was the first round, right right.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
And I mean, mind you, when I'm looking at that, man,
we easily and I'm not saying easily like it's just
you know, a given, but just looking at the matchups, man,
we the lead eight wasn't Sweet sixteen, definitely, but the
lead they definitely wasn't too far away. Just looking at
the matchups at the time.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I definitely had y'all pinioned on my on my bracket
going to at least the Elite eight.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
You guys were a solid team.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
You played well together, you messed well together, you was
leading that team.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
So yeah, damn, man, I know you still think about that.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yeah, man, I mean it's it's definitely frustrating. I mean,
you know, I had a pretty I think I had
like twenty one that game. But still, you know, when
you don't get that dub, and especially when you lead
other team, you know, kind of felt like I did
not get my guys going because you know, before the game,
it felt like, you know, we was ready, but just
once we got out there, it was just like we
just could never get nothing going. Like we were just

(39:10):
out there just almost like stuck in quicksand because every
time they did something we didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Have a counter. They just played with more energy.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
The loose balls, everything that we need that we were
doing throughout the year that was just always taking us
over the top.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
We just wasn't doing. And you know, for whatever reason,
that game went the way it did.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
You know, I hate it because, like I said, that
was the best opportunity I felt like we had with
the group of guys we had, with the young guys.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
And the veterans.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
You know, and then even having a guy like Nate
come off the bench, and you know, having Keith and
Sean and it was just we just and Brooks and
DJ and you know, we just had a good mix
of guys, man, and I just think that we definitely,
you know, kind of squandered on that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yeah, but you playing so well your four years at
Dayton especially, you know when the team was your junior
senior year, when did that buzz? When did you start
hearing the buzz about you in terms of scouts looking
at you you may be a potential draft pick. So
so when did you start hearing that type of noise.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I would say definitely like the second half of the
season my junior year.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
That's when they started.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
You know, you start to see him sitting in the
stands and you know after practice, you know, Coach Smithy
coming over to you, Hey.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Success want to let you.

Speaker 5 (40:30):
And at the time the Grizzlies, they was there a
lot the Knicks and there was one more I can't remember,
maybe the Pacers and somebody, but you know that that
was kind of like the start of it.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
And then after I won the.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
MVP of a ten and went on that summer going
into my senior year.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You know, it was a lot of talk.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Now it was even some talk of potentially leaving, but
that was more of a thing of you know, second round,
you know, depending on how I do well and you know,
for the workouts, possibly late. But it was a very
iffy thing, you know what I mean. There wasn't nothing
that was solid. They were telling him I was on
the Bob Coozy list going into my senior year.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I think that's like the top thirteen point guards or
something like that. And then also that's when we had
that transition because we had such a great year where
Pronell got picked up with Clemson Clemson.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
You know, he took the job at Clemson.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
So he actually asked me to leave with him and
sit out a year and then play my senior year
at Clemson to help him build a program. And in hindsight,
don't get me wrong, you know, I love dating and
I don't regret it, but just on some just business,
just getting to that league, that might have been something

(41:45):
that I probably should have entertained. But at the time
they were telling me Coach Jersey getting back to coach Jersey,
they were telling me he was going to take over
and get the job when Pronell left. And so for me,
it's like, well, this is coming full circle of the
coach that I really came in for anyway, And on
top of that, I got a buzz. You know, my
team were looking good. You know, I ain't got but

(42:06):
one more year. I already got some scouts on me
while leave. You know, it doesn't even make sense, you
know what I mean. And so then they threw me
with the monkey wrench and all of a sudden, nigga
said Brian Gregory, which was the assistant coach for Tom
Izzoy Michigan.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
State at the time.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
And man, he came in and you know, all love
to him, you know what I'm saying, but he just
had a different approach. Everything that coach Izzo does, that's
what he does. I don't know still to this day.
But well, actually he's the GM for the Phinnis Sons now,
so he's not coaching. But at the time he mimic
everything Coach Izzo did. And I remember having a conversation

(42:44):
with him because I was like, coach, you know, last
year the coach let me run the team and you
saw the results, and you coming in, this is your
first year as a Division one coach. You got three
seniors because it was me, Keith and Sewn still left.
I'm like, you got three seniors that you know we
can We've been doing this. Let us just kind of
take these guys with us for this year. Makes you

(43:06):
look good. Lets us continue and then at the same time,
now you can implement your stuff now that as we leave,
you know, and I look back on it, I'm pretty
sure he looking at me, like, who's this twenty one
year old black dude telling me what to do? But
that's how I had with him because we had seventy
offensive plays, bro and a lot of those players were

(43:27):
like io like plays. And I told him, I said,
you had money. I mean, I'm sorry you had what's
your boy?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Uh? The flint Stones in Michigan State, you know when.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
They won in that championship team and mop right, you
got all them guys, right, Charlie Bell. Yeah, I'm like,
you got all Americans on your team, coach. These plays
are built for all Americans. I guys, you know, all respect,
but that ain't what we got. So we need to

(44:00):
have more of a flow, more of a motion type
of offense to get guys in places that they can
be effective. Just Ice showing somebody over there telling them
to go get a bucket.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
You know what I'm saying, We just ain't got that personnel.
And you know, don't get me.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Wrong, it was kind of shaky, you know what I'm
saying at the beginning of the year with him, because
button heads a lot. But we still managed to win
twenty some games, We still won the West, we lost
in a championship game with a ten championship, and we
still man to the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
So we still had a decent year.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
But I will say I just don't believe that for
the way that we played that year, I don't think
we maximize the talent that we had.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
So them.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I was going to ask you, you know, coming off
for your junior year and to let down in the tournament.
You know, did you have a chip on your shoulder
going into your senior year? But god damn, you ain't
have a chance to like you had a like you said,
a straight monket rent. So how did you even though
you had a great you know, not a great but
you pulled together a solid senior year. What was your

(45:03):
mentality going in having the adjustment you still have the
bad tasting them off from the tournament.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
You're trying to adjust to.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
The new staff, Like, what was how were you able
to kind of pull yourself together between talking to the
coach trying to figure out if you were going to
make a transition with your old coach, Like, what was that?
Sounded like a lot of shit going into your senior
year versus just being able to settle in and focus on,
you know, playing, having a strong finish and getting ready
to get out of there.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
So what was that? How did you what was the
focus on?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
How did you kind of pull it together to be
functional for because it sounded like you had a lot
of shit going on, So just being able to get
functioning for your senior year?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
What was that like for you? Man? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (45:41):
That I mean you said that, Man, it was a lot.
And to be honest with you, I felt like that's
kind of what caused the year to be what it
was because it didn't start off well. I mean, you know,
and I have to take some accountability as well. I
was very rebellious at the time. You know, I'm looking
at it like this my team, you know, this my school,
and you know, I was.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Very receptive to some of these changes.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
At first, he even I think even had like, ah,
he got there, say he.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Got there in June.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
He wanted us at five o'clock in the morning to
start running the first day got there, and you know,
I ain't.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
You know, I was just with all that. I'm like, bro,
we need a rest.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
We just finished playing, like come on, you know you
always get that mone or to where you get to
just kind of get your body back together. And so
he was again just a lot different from what I
was used to. And I will say from dealing with
that to now feeling like even though he coming into
this place, I still felt like, I'm gonna still do
what I want to do, and you know that that's

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never gonna be good, especially with your point guard in
your head coach. And so you know, eventually I did
get it together where I wanted to make this work
because again, at the end of the day, we have
to figure it out. But I still feel and I
and I tell him this. You know, when we used
to see each other when they would come to games,
and he even told me one time, he apologized that
he said that he probably should have went with more
of what we had been doing. The year before and

(46:59):
let me kind of run the team because I knew
what our guys could do. And so he you know,
he looks back on some of the things. You know,
when it's your first year, you know you're gonna make mistakes.
But I firmly believed, and again no disrespect to him,
but I firmly believed that the university should have gave
that job because Jersey and I felt like the school
would have continued to grow because the one thing, even

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though we do have a former flyer now they're at
the head coach, for a long time, they wasn't keeping
the family with the family, and I felt like it
was kind of stunting the growth of the program. It's like,
if you keep these guys around and some guys that's
that's that's part of this tradition that's been helped groatest thing.
You know, I felt like we've been a little better

(47:40):
than what we had now. I mean, don't get me wrong,
we are definitely a better place, and I love to
see it, but I still felt like, you know, it
was it was some acceleration that we could have had
early on that that we kind of missed on.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Cool, So you finish your you can please just senior
season at at Dayton. So so what what does it
look like for you now you're going to pre draft
cabs or what's that look like?

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Man, Kobe, believe it or not.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Now mind again, I got all all eight ten, all
that other stuff again right uh after you know, the season,
I'm going in the coach office, like, coach, what's up
with the workouts?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Well, I ain't got no calls yet, so.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
You know, I'm looking like hold up, like this don't
make no sense, Like all right, so hoping, you know,
maybe the next day or whatever. I'm gonna hear something eventually,
because at this point it's not even a no brainer
than me. I'm gonna get offered somewhere, you know what
I'm saying. So he keeps telling me he ain't heard nothing.
He ain't heard nothing. So you know, again, I don't
want to, you know, accuse anybody or nothing, but just

(48:48):
being honest, I feel like because we never really had
that relationship. I feel like when people made calls, I
don't think he said the best things. Now again taking
accountability for myself at that time and Cobe, you know,
it was bro We was going out all the time,
kicking it, you know, drinking. So don't get me wrong,
I'm not saying I didn't give you.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Anything to say.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
But the thing about it was not one time has
ever one coach ever came to me and said, Hey,
you doing too much.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
You need to stay out of this, you need to
step out.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
I'm thinking, I'm just living a regular basketball college life.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You know what I'm saying, how everybody do.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
No one is ever bringing me to the side saying
I'm doing anything you know that that could hurt my draft.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
No one want to say anything.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I don't know that I'm doing anything wrong at this point,
you know what I'm saying. But that's the only thing
I can think of of why I never got any workouts,
Because I'm like, what else would it be, you know,
the resumes for itself.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I'm looking around the rest.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Of the league and they're all them guys who I'm
in the same breath with and even got MVPs over.
They're getting these opportunities and I'm not. And so that's
the only thing I can think of. Eventually, I end
up getting a workout with the Pacers after the draft.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I ended up technically making the team. This was a
crazy story. So well, I won't say the team. I
made the summer league team. And so when the league
he was about to take off, and right before he
was about to take off, you know, they do a
little talk to you before you leave or whatever. And
so they had a guy on the team. His name
was Jonathan Brewer.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
He had already been on the team and he had
he wouldn't getting any playing time, and so the coaches
had picked me to be on the roster and they
was basically gonna leave him at home. But the owner
when they turned to roster in, he basically told them
that he didn't want to pay but a million dollars
to sit at home. And so they had to call
me right before we get on the flight to tell
me that I couldn't go because basically, so basically the

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coaches and everybody, this was Mike Brown and Rick carl
Aul and all him was there and they basically told
me like, yeah, you made it, but only ain't gonna
pay buddy.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
So we got to bring him on.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
And so I ended up going overseas to Holland at
the time, and uh so I had it.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
That's when my overseas journey kind of.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Started, Okay, you didn't so you didn't go to like Portsmouth, Phoenix, Chicago.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Bro, I didn't get not one opportunity to do nothing.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
That's that's crazy, man. That's that's what I'm saying. That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I just to this day, I still can't explain it.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
I used to go in that man office all the
time every day, like what's up, coach, what's up coach?
And he never had explanation, Like I just ain't getting
no calls. I'm like, what's the problem. Like, now, don't
get me wrong. The only thing that happened was my
shoop percentage went down. But that's because again I had
to chuck up shots and all that. But I still
had the production, you know, so it wasn't like I
just fell all the way off. So it's like it's

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no where in the world.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
But for what I mean, your resume, your resume spoke
for itself, like just just off your resume, not even
having to talk to you, meeting you anything, that a
loan you in Portsmouth right without without even being said so.
So I mean it may be something.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
To remind you.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
But mind you now again, when I say these things,
It's not that I'm upset that other people's got these opportunities,
because I'm glad they did.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I'm just saying that I was supposed to have it
as well. Oh yeah, Now Keith was getting these opportunities,
and even.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Sean got a few of them. But somehow, you know,
I didn't get in those. And matter of fact, even
the you know, the little senior thing that they do
when they had a slam dunk competition, and yeah, Keith
was in the three point competition. I mean, you know,

(52:33):
again it's the loop to my man nine to five.
Love him to death, but I'm just saying that just
you know, it's just a lot of stuff that didn't
make sense to me back then.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, but salute to Keith though.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, absolutely came in as a walk going.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
So I respect this ground because you know, the rumor
was they put him on the team because they really
wanted his younger brother.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Right absolutely, At the same time, though it was Keith
a three point shooter bro never okay then, So that's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, yeah, so so yeah, I think it's something too.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
You know, sometimes relationships were playing coaches, you know, you
can miss out on a lot of opportunities because you know,
the coach isn't gonna go that extra mouth for you
or or or put that put that word in somebody's
ear that can help you get to where you need
to go. Because I had the same experience with for Noelle.
I know you had a good relationship with Panell. Me
and Pronelle's relationship was like this, We hated each other,

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so you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
But I will say you so, just to just to
be fair, I say good relationship meaning it was.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It was, it was matter of fact.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
The best way I say was professional, Like he didn't
he didn't get he didn't get real personal with me.
The only person I really saw him have a kind
of personal relationship with was Nate.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
But for is that, you know, like it was very professional.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Even when I had got in trouble one time, he
didn't even like come with the son.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
What are you doing? Boom boom, like getting on me
like I'm expecting.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
He looked at me and he said, when the reporter
asked you this, you're gonna say this, You're gonna refer
them to this bone bo and he walked his ass out.
So he was very professional, but his shit, he wasn't
real personal, So I won't I mean, don't get me
wrong again, all love and we had a you know,
good relationship when it come out to like just being
cordial with each other. But I will definitely say more
of a professional relationship than I say anything.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Yeah, okay, So I'm kind of bewildered right now.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
So you had the coach that asked you to go
Was that Pernell to ask you to go to Clemson
with him? Was it Clemson?

Speaker 6 (54:33):
That? So at no point did he reach out and say,
you know what's going on? You know why you not
because if you were, if you were that talent of
a player that he was willing to take along with him,
and you see quote unquote your god not getting looks.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Isn't that supposed to work that way?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Or again he's not that type of guy specifically, you
would you know, like like you said, the coaches kind
of put put bugs in each other's ear, and if
you see, hey man, what's going on with this cat
over here?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
He should be at least getting some consideration. Is that?

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Is that not what was expected as well? Or you
didn't even think about that when he was going on.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
I mean at the time to be honest with you,
Like I wasn't looking for anybody to really step up,
because I just was figuring, like, yo, this is the
no brainer, Like it must be something in the water.
It ain't got nothing do with nobody stepping up. They
want this to be the way it is. That's how
I felt it was because I'm like, this doesn't make sense.
And for as Prenelle, I think it might have been
some of the like I said, it was more professional.

(55:31):
So once I decided not to come, he probably moving
on doing what he doing with his guys. You know
what I'm saying. And I will say, you know I did.
I went over the when I went overseas, I did
get a.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Call that but it was from Jersey.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
But it was through Prenale that Larry Brown had reached
out to Prenale about me. And this was like right
when they had finished I think that old Ford Championship
or maybe the second time when they lost whatever it
was that at Pistonstein and I think Lindsay Hunter was
the backup and they were looking to replace him and
they were, you know, he was acquiring about me or whatever.
So that kind of came back around a little bit

(56:07):
on that end but for us around that time, Yeah, nah,
it was like I said, it was kind of.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Quiet all the way around.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
And again I don't know if guys were having conversations
and not priviewing me to him, because again, no coach
ever told me I was doing too much or had
a problem with what I was doing or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
So if it was something that they didn't like or whatever,
they didn't never address it to me.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
And so you know, if it was something that they
were saying amongst each other or whatever it may have been, maybe,
So I don't know, but I just know it was
weird as hell to me that no one was giving
me a look.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I just didn't understand that.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
And like I said, with the other guys that I
had played against, I had always every competition that somebody
was supposed to be that guy. If you look at
my numbers doing them games, I proved I can play
on that scale or even above. So I mean, I
just didn't understand it at all.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
It really didn't make any sense. Still can't make sense
of it to this day.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
But at the end of the day, it just was
what it was, and it is what it is, and
you know, God gave me what I asked for. I
asked for, you know, scholarship, when I asked to do
it play professionally. It wasn't in the form in which
I had it, but he blessed me with that. So
I really can't, you know, be too mad about it.
It's just the details of it that sometimes you just
kind of like, yeah, I don't know how that, how
that worked whatever.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
So how was your transition to going to play overseas
and adjusting to the culture.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Again, I'm gonna keep it a buck man. It wasn't
hard to adjust to the culture. But the only difference
was I was just naturally talented, bro. I was never
like a gym rat, And so I have a person
who's not a gym rat now be on their own
to just do whatever they want. I mean, I still
was playing well and all that, but I didn't. When
you just look back, it's like I should have been
eaten right, I should have been training.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I should have like I wasn't doing it that. I
was just getting out the ball, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
And so the transition for is just culturally and all
that was fine.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I didn't have any issue on that.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
On the court, didn't have any issue on The issue
I had was the politics when I went over there.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
At the time, I.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Didn't know, but I was the highest paid American at
the time. Didn't know it.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
And our team was losing, but we were losing because
we had five of our big men. We even had
to start bringing up this guy was like seventeen years
old on the little junior team that they had in
their little club. So we didn't really have any big men.
And so but you know, if you overseas, it does
not matter. If y'all lose this the Americans fault. And
so from that, all of a sudden, my agent and

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the ball club start having some back and forth. And again,
you know, I don't know much about the business at
the time. Your agent handle these things, and so they
just started having a little back and forth issues, and
so it got to a point where it got so
bad where they couldn't find anything on me to technically,
you know, get me off the team because my agent
was demanding certain things.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
And so by the second half of the.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Season, all of a sudden they called me in the office,
and I really didn't know what it was about. And
then all of a sudden they started reading off these
different things that. Mind you, being there for the whole year,
I knew what guys on a team who had got
in trouble what they had did you know, There wasn't
no hidden thing.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Everybody don't changing know what niggas do.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
And so they started reading those same things the guys did,
but they were saying I did it.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
And I'm sitting in the office looking at them like,
like I said, y'all know such since did this? Like
why y'all even saying this to me? Like what's the
point of this meeting?

Speaker 5 (59:31):
And then all of a sudden it kind of dawned
on me like, oh, you gotta have five infractions in
your contract for them to be able to let you go.
I'm like, oh, they trying to put stuff on me.
Then my agent must have had something back and forth
again trying to find out my agent had kind of
put an ultimatum it down where they're gonna have to
pay me without me playing.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Was he was threatening to pull me from playing. Now,
mind you, I don't know none of this. I would
have told him we ain't doing all that, but again
me not.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Knowing the business like that, and so we had to
go through that whole situation and then you mimb I
told you about the Pistons thing. Yeah, this is when
the internet is first hitting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
This is like in four or five, all of a sudden,
on the Internet it says I did all these things.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
I ain't did none of them though. They just did
this to get out the contract. And so now what
it looks like is I'm a troublemaker. And that part
went away, and now Pronell and Jersey they coming.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
At me like what are you doing over there?

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
And I'm sitting there and you know how when you're
telling somebody you ain't did these things, which you can tell,
they like, yeah, right, And that's what it felt like.
That's how it felt like everybody was responding. Like to
this day, I got a homeboy that was on the
team he played with me up in Maine, named Tommy
Gunn and we kind of laugh about it to this
day because he's like, Bro, you ain't do none.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Of that shit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
He was like, they did you dirty, but they just
did all that just to get up out the contract.
And because it hit the internet, these people believe the shit,
and so that kind of was like one of those
things where it's just like I can't win for lose.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
So how was so I heard you say that, you
know you didn't. You didn't work out, you didn't eat right,
you didn't. How was your adjustment not to the culture,
but to the game itself, because I know you have
with subtle nuances to the game, Like what was the
biggest transition or the thing that you struggled with, if anything,
to the to the rules of the game and how
the game was played versus you know, the American style.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
I adjusted pretty well. The basketball part wasn't really a thing. Now,
I don't get me wrong, It is adjustment. Putting the
ball down. They real big on the ball, hitting the
flug before you damn move. Now, that part I hated
it well, matter of fact, let me be honest. The
one struggle I should say a struggle wouldn't really a struggle,
but the adjustment you playing against guys who you got

(01:01:45):
to come with it pretty much every day, Like you know,
you had a guard here and there, But for the
most part I had I had to, you know, have
my boots laced up every game, you know, because God's hungry,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
They trying to get to the next level.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Even if they're not that talented, just how hard they
play and you know, stuff like that. So that was
a big adjustment because in college, you know, you got
your guys, some of them you know, you know who
is like that, who ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
But overseas, you know them guys, some of them, like
I said, my name be that talented. My name had
even no game like that. But how hard he gonna play.
You're gonna be tired or you're gonna be at the
bullshit and you know he gonna be. So that definitely
was adjustment.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
And that's when I did have to start to tighten
up a little bit when I wasn't going out as late,
you know what I'm saying, wasn't drinking as much, because
it was like, yeah, these guys here, boy, you can't
just do that, you know what, I mean, to get
up the next day and think you're gonna be at
your you know, at that level you need to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Be to compete against these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
For a while. So when when when did you get
that moment when you was like.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
I'm ready to to hang up my hoop shoes and
do something else.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
When I came back from Russia, bro, it was I
just felt like this overseas thing wasn't going to where
I wanted to go. I mean, I'm in places that
like Russia didn't feel safe.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
It's just a lot of stuff that was like I'm
around I wasn't around anybody. So even in you experiencing
all this stuff, if you ain't experiencing it nobody, it
kind of is a lonely experience, to be honest with you.
And I felt like I wasn't really growing as a
man because you know, they take care everything for your
housing and car, and so all you doing is playing ball,
party in the shopping like you ain't really you know

(01:03:27):
what I mean, You ain't really taking on any real responsibilities.
I didn't have kids anything like that at the time,
so it really just got to a point where I
just was like, bro, this ain't this. Ain't it like
I just need to get back and pivot and do
something that you know I want to do, or get
in the coaching or whatever it was. I really didn't

(01:03:49):
know at the time. I just know I didn't feel
like keep doing this, you know what I mean. And
I'm also one of those people where I can't get
frustrated when I know I should be playing at a
certain level or shit be a certain level, and it
just ain't looking like I'm getting there. And at the time,
I can admit to this day now, I definitely probably
stopped way before I was posted.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Think that I should have stuck out a couple more years.
And I think the biggest thing I have a homeboard
to this day, a man Treylo, he used to say
he was like Black, you don't hang around enough people
who do what you did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
And that was my biggest thing. I think that's why
my motivation.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
If I if I would have stuck with those type
of people, I think they would have pushed a couple
more years out of me. But I was around a
bunch of my homeboys who wasn't doing what I was doing,
and you know, I kind of fell into that of
you know, getting back and kind of getting to it
or whatever and in a whole other way. And you know,
I had a little change and you know, put some
money to some things that some things work, something didn't

(01:04:48):
type of thing. But it just it wasn't fun anymore.
Just felt like it was very lonely. Just it just
wasn't fulfilling at all. I always use analogy. I just
feel like I was in the clouds at the time,
Like I just didn't feel like I was grounded at all.
I'm just kind of just all over places over here,
just just kicking. It just felt like extension of college
and like it wouldn't feed me no more. And so

(01:05:11):
when I stopped, Bro, when I said I stopped, I stopped.
I ain't do nothing. I ain't work out, I ain't
you know, play a little here and there. I ain't
do none of that. I just stopped cold turkey, and
I was just done.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Yeah, And I know a huge challenge that a lot
of hoopers have that hooped all their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
That's all they did, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
They had aspirations of getting to the highest level and
then all of a sudden it comes to a stop
and now you have to go to quote quote unquote
real life situation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
How did you adjust to that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Because I know for a lot of hoopers it's tough
to adjust to real life after just being a hooper
because that's all you knew and that's all you wanted
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
So so how was it for you?

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I mean, I think it was subject like everybody man,
you know, you go through that keep it really, you
go through that whole phase where motherfucker know you for hooping.
You ain't trying to be like well, I work at FedEx,
I work at such and such like that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Just you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
You just don't even want to come out your mouth,
you know, because you feel like you know you ain't
gonna never have to be in that position. But like
I told a couple of homeboys that that also played ball,
I said, it's better than doing nothing, because I've seen
a lot of guys who really couldn't get out of it. Man,
They was depressed and they got stuck in it, and
they really didn't amount to anything. They just kind of
I know some guys who still just s that they've

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been at their own house, really never had a real job,
still still kind of hoping that them saying drug dealers
and other guys who used to look out for them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
They still looking for those handouts here and the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
Female they can live off them for a while, and
you know all that type of stuff. And I'm sorry,
I mean you at the end of the day that
it raised me to be a man. And so you know,
like I said, God gave me what I asked for.
So I can't, you know, for me to sit around
and act like I'm not grateful for that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Then now it's a new chapter.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
So you know, you gotta find your way in that,
just like you know, the game of basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
I had to climb my way to get to a
certain point.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
All right, Now it's the real world. Now it's time
to find your nitch in net trying to find out
what it is. You know, if you got to get
a job just to you know, maybe feed your kids
or feed yourself, do what you got to do. If
you got to get the job to help you prepare
your entrepreneurship, Okay, that's fine too, But either way, nigga,
you gotta get something, you know, you can't just sit
around and live off your hoop dreams and shit there. Man,

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it'd be funny a lot of people I talk to
you and they be like, you play ball because I
don't talk about it, like unless somebody ask me, because
to me, I'm not living in that moment anymore. Like
it's time to move on. It's time to figure out
other things to do. And so yeah, I won't lie
at first, you know, it is that strug especially when
you're younger.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
You know what I'm saying, Cause I ain't really worked
my first I say, one or two years. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
I'm just living off the little money I had, and
you know, just doing the most and still trying to live.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Up to that lifestyle, and you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
And then shit just got real and after a while
it was kind of like, who am I in person?

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I done?

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Did all other shit I need to do? These people
ain't got what I got before anyway, so I don't
even press them on that. So but now how am
I gonna press myself?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Like what I'm what I'm gonna do it with something
that that that wasn't already God given in the sense
of a gift.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
What what what is it that I that I got
inside of me?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
So that's more or less what it was, just just
just getting to the point where it was like, look here,
I ain't about to sit here and live off hoop
dreams and live off the past. Now, what what am
I looking like when I'm when I'm forty fifty years old?
What is it looking like then?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
To me? That's the cool shit to look like everybody
can look the same in the twenties regardless. Everybody can
look flash.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
Everybody can make when you get in your fifties and
all that. That's the difference when you know the separation
who really did something in their life or not?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Yeah yeah fact.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
So so just go I'm gonna take take you back
just just a little bit because you said something that
kind of I try to explain the athletes. Now, you
made the comment that you wasn't a gym rat. Everything
came natural to you. You just kind of play it
off of God giving the ability. And the one thing
I hear is you're you're very grateful and thankful for
what God did give you. But how much of that

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lull would you attribute to not being a gyman? Like
I said, some people I think you said somebody said
everybody is not after the same things you're after and
you're not around the right people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
But do you think.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
I want to I want to phrase it the right way,
how much of that do you attribute to not being
a gym rat, Like if you would have just kind
of worked a little harder because you you were basically
playing off of God given talent, so you were cool
with you were cool with being great without work. What
do you think it would have been like if you
would have put a little bit more work into it,
just on your own, just honing your craft, staying sharp.

(01:09:48):
You know, you were just planning off of skills. So
what what do you say to that? Not not to
say you're not cool with where you're at now, but
again just that because you got a lot of athletes, man,
that they don't believe in working hard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
They just you know, they want to be good. They're
always the best at what they do.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
But then when they come up against, like you said,
guys that just work hard, push them a little bit,
you start seeing that sometimes effort out does talent just
because that grit and that dog.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
So what do you what do you speak to that?

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Or would you give advice to anybody that's in that position?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
You know? Moving forward?

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
What I said that you remember earlier when we talked
about not getting any calls if I had, if I
had to have an answer, that's the answer. I always
tell guys that the gym guds, the basketball guys, was like, Bro,
you ain't you ain't you know what I'm saying, You
ain't put in the work that when I look back
on it. That's to me, that's what it was. You know,

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a guy like Brian Robins. You know, when Brian Robinson came,
you have to meet covid. I look at him and
I always say to him, don't get me wrong, super talented.
But when I look at him, to me, that's that
would have been a difference in meeting in the league.
If I had the work ethic that he had, I
would have been the league. Like mind you, I did
what I did, drinking and kicking it, and you know

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what I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Saying, Like I'm doing the regular ship that a guy who's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
Just kicking it in college did going out coming back
three four o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
So if I would have really just.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Like I said, just ate right, you know what I'm saying,
not not put all the alcohol in my body, would
have got up and did these workouts, man, I probably
would have been maybe all American talk for as country wise.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I may been the MVP every year.

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
You know, like and even those times where we didn't
get over the hump, I might have been able to
bring us over the hump because I got a little
more energy in the fourth quarter I'm able to make
that play. You know, force leadership wise, guys would have
saw me with not just coming out there when it's
time to play. They see that that that work out
outside the court and when it's time to you know,

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we got off. We got a Saturday that we got off,
but but we'madin they' shooting. So the rest of them
guys following. So now as a team, we're getting better.
And so I definitely would say to any of the
young guys, yeah, talent, don't get me wrong, doesn't get you,
but so far, and you know, everybody got a little talent.
Everybody you know can can can dunk and call somebody else.

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But I'm telling you the guys who are getting in
that gym on a day to day basis more than
once and putting in that work, those are the ones
who are.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Gonna get the favor. You know, you you may be
just as good.

Speaker 5 (01:12:21):
But if I'm a coach and I know this guy
likes to step out a little bit and have him
a drink and kick it, but I know this guy
that same time and not gonna be in that gym,
even though if you a little bit better, I'm gonna
get that guy in that gym, because if I'm investing
millions of dollars, that's more of a turn of my
investment going with a guy like that. And so if
I was going to say anything, maybe you know, And

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again they say they send guys out from the league
to watch you and when you in your environment, So
maybe they saw some of that too and me not
knowing that and uh, and I wouldn't even been in
that position if I'd have been in that gym, and uh,
that's what they would have been at three o'clock in
the morning seeing me do and that might have been
the difference in with me being on some of those
boards or whatever. So definitely I would say, you know,

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getting there and putting that work in, man, it's not
even an option.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
That's just to be a part of your day. It
shouldn't even feel like it's something that you got to
do extra. That's just part of your day.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
And once you get it to the point where it's
part of your day, man, it's gonna take you to
places where you're never being.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
And I'm gonna say salute to you on that, bro,
because a lot of people wouldn't have been real with that,
you know, and just again with you know coach Coach
Oh who's usually on here with us. Man, he always
tells it like the God's gonna give you back what
you put into.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
This thing, man.

Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
So it's new to you for bringing that up and
again being humble and thankful for what you do have,
but understanding what you could have done, but not letting
them hold you back because it seems like you still
moved on and done great things for yourself, you know,
up to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
So continue success with that, ma, Man.

Speaker 5 (01:13:51):
Yeah, I got to man, I gotta keep it real, man,
because you know guys, you know when they, like you said,
when they come up man and they feel like it's
just gonna be given to them because you know, they
get dollars, notoriety early. But it's gonna it's gonna get
to a point where talent, it's gonna start to get separated.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Well, everybody's good.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
So now we've got to find those small things that
that I can separate these guys that I know is
gonna be you know, the ones that's gonna be on
to that next level and the work ethic that that
to me, that's at the top.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Of the list that's gonna work.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Yeah, that worked. Yeah, h from it. Can't run from me.
That can't run from nothing. So before we let you
get out of here, we want to put you through
a segment of the show we call Rapid Fire. We're
gonna ask you some questions. You can't you can't die
your question, Gotta answer it quick as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Yes, we we're gonna try to make it difficult, but
they pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Yeah, yeah right, but uh uh, lets let's let's go
ahead and get it, get it started, coach coach Miller,
you want to start at all you're gonna be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I'll start off.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
Let's see what give me your top five basketball players
out as Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Yeah, okay, are we talking about for is what they
did or when.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
They was just top your top five? Bro Yourn, they
could be legends NBA?

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Whatever, what Well we gottah, gotta start off. Gotta get
much love on man Jason Parker. I feel like he
was the best one to ever come out of Charlotte.
Like I said, McDonald's all American, all that. We got
a guy named Jeff McGinnis. They named too set Jeff McGinnis. Yeah, absolutely, Charlotte.
We always gotta we gotta make sure, it's Charlotte. You

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know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
From the You see, we got Anthony Morrow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Anthony Morrow from Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
And Twine Jamison, even though some people don't like to
give him all that because you know, he uh moved
to Charlotte. I think maybe like in junior high something
like that. I think it Risen from New Orleans. But
he went to junior high and high school here. So yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
And then last, but not ever least, that was Stephen Curry. Man, Okay,
we got to go. Stephan Curry got to man. Yeah,
it's dope, that's dope. Uh, that was those five, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Let me see. That was a hard one. That's that's
that was. That was that was and that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
That's the true Charlotte five because most people would have
said Muggsy Bowls or Kimba Walker.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
So you brought all some legends, some real real Charlotte legends. Man,
that's dope. Yeah, that's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Uh, start bench or cut, Jordan Kobe Lebron.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Oh Lord, start bench or cut?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Why would you rather be wise? Would you? Just before
you start? Is to just know he you he go,
he gonna cut your he gonna cut your lifeline off.
If you don't go the way you want.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
To, that's all right, because I'm gonna keep I'm gonna
keep it exactly how being on what I Jordan's you
got to start, bron you got the bench, and Kobe
got to cut.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
I got all right, tell you why?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Let me tell you why.

Speaker 5 (01:17:25):
Because Kobe was I mean, essentially to fake Mike. So
we already got him. So we got Mike and then
broun You know he's he's the best all around basketball
player ever, so you you know you gotta have him
for anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
So yeah, Kobe, you're gonna have to sit out on
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
All right. Hey, I'll take that. I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I know you're Kobe guy.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
I know you're Kobe got no, no, no, no, not okay, okay, now,
I mean, don't get me wrong. I love broun to,
but I grew up a Jordan guy, and I always
say I think barn is the boat meaning the best ever,
you know, meaning overall, Like if you're just talking about
the basketball player from rebound assist, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
The best overall.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
If you just look at basketball, just just with your eyes,
I ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Seen a better one. I fear, Chris pat I'm surprised
that you live with that wing that all from the jump.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
So that that's just that family love. You give me
a little family grace. That's so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Let me look, we're gonna step away from basketball a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
Give me your top five rappers from Carolina, from from.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
The state of Carolina. Your top five rappers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
That's a good one, now rappers.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Okay, well we got we got Jacoble, we got the baby,
we got the wraps cy Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Uh whom I missing? Oh Lou of North Carolina.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
You gotta go, who am I?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You like you don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
I thought you say him, just just for the fact
that he did back in the day he did put
North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Y'all why I don't funk with him, because that because
that North Carolina song that he had mm hmmm. At
the end, he screams out Greensboro, all these all these cities,
and he ain't say Charlotte one time. God, he don't
scream about the biggest city in North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
You don't scream Charlotte out. So yeah, we ain't fun
with him sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
That's understandable. Okay, that's understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Damn uh oh boy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
I mean we got some more singers and ship like
we got Joey, we got Fantasia, we got Sunshine Andson,
we got and Anthony Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
We ain't really got a bunch of rappers.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
What about what about Karine and Corday?

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
You consider them they they they were military babies.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
So I mean, I guess technically, you know what I mean,
I'm always looking at guys who was really in the cloth.

Speaker 6 (01:20:30):
You know what I mean, like got you got you
from the got you got you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
That's that's the only thing. It's kind of hard.

Speaker 5 (01:20:37):
I mean, I know I'm probably missing somebody that we
got a guy named mister seven O four. He from Charlotte.
He had a couple of big hits with Sean Paul
from uh dead I mean not Dead Prayers, but uh
uh what's boys from? Uh Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Yeah, he was, man, what the hell, I'm having a brain.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
For young bloods?

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
There you go, yeah, young bloods. And then he also
had a joint with a ball.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
M j G. I know.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Jermaine dupri is known for Atlanta, but wasn't Jermaine Dupre
born somewhere that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Way, no herom you know, he's from Atlanta now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But I believe he was.

Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
I know he was raised in Atlanta, but I think
he was born somewhere in North Carolina from he was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
You can't count born. I was saying, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
I know, I know some people were trying to claim
him because he was born there, but he was He's
definitely an Atlanta Cats.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
I was just, yeah, I'm gonna say, if it is,
I never heard that one before, even like I heard
like Jeezy was technically born North Carolina, but you know
here Georgia board, so we don't even try to claim that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
But yeah, I definitely I feel like I'm forgetting somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I hate if it is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
But for the most part, you know, that's about the
three that we got that you know, really did something.
You know, of course, I know some underground cats or whatever,
but you know, Luke doing Louke, he would dream being.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
With uh Jack cole Hee shout him out, put him.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
On Yeah, yeah, Luke, he nicely. I didn't check him out.
He's definitely on dream Bill and then.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
That's yeah, that's about all I can. Yeah, it ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
But too many.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Like I said, I mean, we got more of the
singers and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Big time. That's that's enough.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
We got start bench cut Michael Vig, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Woof.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
All right, so you know Cam, you know that's always
that's the fell of love. But he had the city
so lit in twenty fifteen, it'll make no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
So yeah, I gotta go. I'm a lefty.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
And then, for whatever reason, I get Man, you don't
understand how many times I get asked if I'm Michael
Vick or I look like Michael Vicker. I get it
all the time. So I'm gonna start him. I'm a
bench Cam and Lamar, you gotta come off the bench bag. Yeah,
he gotta come out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
And we can't. We can't. We can't do it. Got more.

Speaker 6 (01:23:19):
Hey, I'm starting to realize how Hey, I'm starting to
realize how close you are to this dude, because you
would have been cut off.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
I mean, I'm just saying, bro, like Cam, Cam is Charlotte,
you know that was that's our top quarterback. So I
can't he can't be off, he can't be on the bench.
And then Michael Vick. That's you know, he a lefty.
I'm a lefty. That's who I mimick when I was
playing football back in the day. And then again, you know,
you know, that's like my twin brothers. So you know,
we got to stay in the game, man, And then

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he had them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Then he had some of the best sneakers outside of
Jordan and Dion to hit.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
So you know, hey, you gotta get my man, love Man,
Lamar Lamar gonna be there. But Lamar gotta he gotta,
he gotta, he gotta get a chip Man for for
he got at least well, I don't know about Mike
now that you say that, but at least my man
got there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
At least Cam got there. We got there. You know
what I'm saying. We got there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
A head coach man waiting. I'm looking at the graces
been getting. So y'all gotta be tight, man, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Saying, Lamar Lamar cool. But I mean all right, So
when I when I tell you Ray, nobody no brace you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
You survived to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
So you're saying, so you're saying, and Cam, if you're
taking peaks, Cam pepe Lamar, peete, you think Lamar better
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Now every level Cam showed you at his peak what
he does.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Cam said it out his mouth. Cam said, Lamar is better.
I mean that's what he supposed to say.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
You know he's a younger. You know when the guy
coming up, you talk like that. Man, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
So Cam and his in his top peak in college
and one year in the SEC he won that ship
and be there about Alabama all the right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Yeah it's a loop.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Too, Okay, so what what what Lamar doing his peak.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
At Louisville Cosman Trophy winner.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
Yeah, but I'm talking about they win anything because what's
called got the hotsman too now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Here here he had Louisville though he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
He's not al We one like that before Cam got there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Man, in SEC, they're in the powerhouse. Louis louivill wasn't
even on the map.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
They was in a SEC at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Man, a CC the worst football conference.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
No not then, Nigga, we were nice because Florida State,
My team, Florida State, Clinton.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Another Florida So we gotta co host my cousin. Oh
dog right, you love Florida State, trash bro the come.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
On, man, you see that that shop man. Come on, man,
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
Don't do that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
We were nice, We were nice. Okay in the quarterback
yard had that's where the chap should have came in.
That on that dude what's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
Uh he wasson. I don't know why we bunk him in.
And people forget we were undefeated two years ago and
they did us dirty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
And yeah, yeah, but uh, I mean, I'll say with
all right, so when Cam was in his top, and
Cam was in his top, he was m v P
and he made it to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Okay, okay, lamar.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
He don't got m v P. But yeah, it ain't
going nowhere team sport. But is he But is he
doing what he's supposed to do. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
In the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Last year, this last game, I mean this last year,
he was straight You think I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Think last two seasons first, first two or three. No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
But at the same time, you gotta look at his
the offensive talent around him too. When he first started
making the playoffs, when he first got there, he didn't
have any no receivers, nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
He ain't even really had no running backs. You know,
he made his team better.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
He was kind of always when I when I compare
Lamar Jackson to somebody, always say he's the Alan Everson
of football.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Okay, well, my thing is he ain't got an excuse
this though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Hey listen, man, no, I think this gotta be the year. Hey, listen,
are you right? I'm a I'm a I'm A. I know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
Oh he always good on me because I've said this
and I'm gonna continue to say this. I don't give
a shit who you got to throw the ball to,
especially now you got there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
I'm running the fucking air off the football.

Speaker 6 (01:27:44):
You know him running. Now here's the difference. You got
a business decision to make. You might put eight in
the box, but Derrick Henry is not. No goddamn you
got DB's that's gotta make decisions because if i'm if
I'm watching Lamar put that to his stomach, and I
gotta make a decision on who I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
You gotta stop your feet to make a business decision.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
I'm running the fucking air out there football until y'all
stop me, because you ain't stopping both of them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
And that to me is a combination between offensive.

Speaker 6 (01:28:14):
Coordinator and Lamar just saying you know what, they gonna
put this ship on me anyway, I'm gonna make them
really put it on me, and I'm gonna I'm gonna
put this bitch between myself and that other thousand y'all
running back. I got back here. We were gonna run
the air out this motherfucker. Now, give a ship. What
scheme you got? You ain't stopping both of them, dudes.
I don't give a ship.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
You know what, I actually agree with you, because I
used to say in the playoffs, it seemed like he
was making a concerted effort to try to prove them,
try to that he don't, yeah, doing the thing that
gave you your superpower, and then let them say, let
them make other excuses about it. But either way, he
you wanted playing your way, because you ain't gonna win

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it playing their style of football. I'll take my chances
with a receiver catching the ball versus him running the
goddamn football.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
And you could try to stop it now. But it
made sense if he didn't have Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
You don't want to run him in the ground that way.
But you got that big six foot what is he
six foot six, two hundred and eight pounds, running a
full three forty, Brother, you get past that first line.
Them dudes all making business decisions. Brother, I say what
you want to say. I'm gonna put that to the
test because it showed last year, twenty rushes are more,

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twenty carriers are more.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Them dudes is winning the game, no question about it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:37):
And they did everything but back when it came time.
So for me, if they just say, you know what,
we're gonna line up, we're gonna play smash my football.
And it ain't saying he got to run it every time,
but goddamnit, him and Derrick Henry got taken to the house.
That's that's the only way they gonna win this thing
because I'm not letting my receivers. They don't let him
down too much. Not saying that they're not giving an effort,

(01:29:58):
but they don't let them down. So I'm gonna take
the blame. Goddamn it, I'm taking the blame right now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
I'm with you on that one now, But I do,
I do. I'm I'm looking forward to this season. The boys.
You know, they got a hell of a talent over there, so.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
I'm definitely expecting, you know, them to do something they
she ain't get over that hump because I mean, you know,
I want to see it. I mean, even though I
put him on the bench, I do want to see
him in the super Bowl though.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (01:30:23):
Yeah, they gonna have they got and they got a
helliba yo. I was looking at this week one bro,
I didn't realize y'all playing at Buffalo on Someday night.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
They got they got a hell of a opening week.
But yeah, that's dope.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
That's But before I go to the next rapid five question,
I just want to clear it up. I love cam
cam my guy. He one of the greatest. He probably
one of my he on my favorite five quarterback list.
But when you gotta where you got a question like
this with three dogs on, somebody gonna get cut, somebody
gonna get fit, you know, But the question because of

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they because they're.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Great, right, You're right, So.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
I got uh, I've bench to cut nineties basketball, two thousands, basketball,
two thousand and tens, and and beyond basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
I used to love nineties for a long time, and
then I started thinking about it. I'm like, I think
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to start two thousands just
because I grew up with it. Got a bench nineties
and then I'm am a I mean, what is it?
Start twenty ten?

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
I'm a bench nineties and then I'm gonna cut twenty
ten and beyond. Okay, And don't get me wrong, it's
part of this that I love before is this style.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
But mm hmm, and I don't get me wrong, I
think it's coming back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I do.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
I am one of those ones who kind of liked
that whole least having a big man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:08):
I ain't saying that it gotta be like the nineties
and we just pounded it inside the whole time palls,
but you know, at the same time, you know, just
some type of balance, you know what I mean, like
not just a three every damn time?

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
I feel like twenty ten kind of kind of had
some of that. So yeah, that's probably one of my
favorite us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Okay, you got a No. One coach, Yes, sir, let's
switch to the w NBA.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
Asia and the Featia call you or a Necoul bench start.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Okay, man, I ain't gonna lie I'm bad with the
young girls, but uh, Asia, she definitely started.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
I ain't eve gonna think about that. Uh, you said,
call you and who the other one?

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I'm probably gonna bench call you in and probably cut in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Yeah, mad at it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Yeah, h favorite teammate at Dayton.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Uh on and off the court whatever whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Shoot, Uh, I'm gonna have to go Nate green Man.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
That was my guy to off the court. You know,
it's my brother on the court. You know, I knew
he's gonna give me one hundred and ten percent even
though he damn.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Foul all the damn time. But uh, yeah, no, I
have to go Nate Man. You know, that was my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
I knew I could I go to walk with him.
It didn't matter who he's playing. I knew he wasn't
gonna shy away. And then, like I said, off the court,
you know what I'm saying. That was my rose dog
and still my brother to the day. So definitely Nate
green m.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
But you got coach. My last one for you is
the top five black movies.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
Okay, got coming to America now men Society. This is
because it's one of my favorite love Jones and that
that's just one of my joints Neil uh other two.

(01:34:29):
It's just it's just a hell of a black movie.
In the South color purple. I gotta throw that in there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
And now when you say black movie, we're saying with
niggas watch or what the movie is black people in it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Your your far brother, your five?

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
Well, I mean, you know the movies for the culture,
like like because like say, for example, scar Face, niggas
watch that. But it ain't no that, ain't that ain't
no black people move.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
You know what I'm saying, talking like a black black move,
like Spike Lee type move.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
I'm talking. Yeah, I'm talking black black movie. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
And I got one more.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Uh Hall of Nights, Yeah yeah, okay, Okay, that's dope.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
M yeah, I only got two more for you. So, uh,
who your top five players to have a play at ud?

Speaker 5 (01:35:34):
Let me see here, And I'm only going off what
I what I saw. I can't go out because you know,
I see Roosevelt got damn got every I ain't never
you know, I ain't never seen him play, but you
know what I mean, I got to give him respect.
But so just off he's in another category because I
ain't going to see him play.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
I'm just going off what I saw.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
Okay, got an Obie topping? Okay, Chris Right, got little

(01:36:26):
about O G. Tony Stanley, Brian Roberts, and I'm throwing
myself in now because ain't nobody else gonna do it.
And by the way, man, I don't know who I

(01:36:46):
gotta talk to you, bro, that's another thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
That bothers me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
I can't lie.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
I just keep it the hunted. They still ain't got
me in that Hall of Fame yet either.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that too. I'm
glad you brought that up. I mean, it seemed like
it's been long enough now and I got.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I got two guys that was on my team that's
already in there, and they still say't better than mine.
So you know, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
They still working with the university and they local guys,
so you know, salute to them because they are supposed
to be in there as well. Again, this ain't about
them not being there. It's just about it need to
be another plus one. Yeah, yeah, and so you know,
I don't know what that takes. Maybe my kids just
need to get older or something. God is saying, That's
why I'm gonna do it so they can really see it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
But yeah, I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I don't know sometime, like I said, cause I don't
be knowing the politics behind stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
I don't know if people feel away and I never
knew it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
But yeah, a lot of stuff I just you know,
I kind of just sit back and just see it
and observe. And I'm like, I put two and two
together and it ain't equally four, So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:43):
Yeah, yeah, nah, I agree with you be sent because
about that earlier. You definitely should be in the Hall
of Fame. And Tony Stanley as well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
He told me from the story he told me, he
said they doing it just over him not coming back,
graduating or something.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
Yeah, he told me that too. But I think it's
deeper than that, more than more than more that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Yeah, yeah, I remind you. You know, everything is a
little deeper with Tony. That's my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
What I got speaking of Tony, uh one on one best.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Out of seven? Who wears that game? You and you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Said best out of what?

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
Best out of seven? Okay, I just it didn't matter
what many games. I just want to know which one
it's gonna be me. It's gonna be me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
You hear the answer earlier that ain't nobody cooked. So
how you answer, have ever played.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
I don't think we played official one on one game.
Have we been out there just kind of like going
at each other? Yes, definitely for as we pick up,
because I remember one time I cut it off the
rim and kind of dunked on his back, and I
remember after that he kind of was, you know, trying
to get at me.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
But we definitely had some battles.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
But you know, with him being seeing me being a
freshman and you know how Tony was mister Kappa and
all that. Yeah, I don't know if we ever for
real played up full like a whole one on one game,
but I know we definitely had some battles. But Tony
knew what it was like. That's the reason why I
think he always fudn't respected me because heknew I wasn't
backing down. I wasn't one of those freshmen who just

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you know, was like taking a back seat, like, Nah,
we got here hooping. I don't give damn you know
what I'm saying, what it is you ain't about got
damn talking no shit to me.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
You about to get this work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Yeah, yeah, he definitely recognized that because he was the
same way as a freshman. So he so, you know, game,
game recognized game, you know what I'm saying. And I've
know Tony said he was in ninth tenth grade something
like that, but you know I probably played him two
hundred times one on one, and he's a competitor. He yeah,

(01:39:51):
he don't want to let you off that court. But
we always joked to this day. I said, bro, you
know you never beat me.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
What it went on?

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
And you know that's why I said he helped me
out too, because you know, thinking back, that's who I
had to check all the time in practice. You know,
I was the second team, so you know that's who
I always had to go against anyway. So you know,
I felt like I was preparing him, you know what
I'm saying for the game, because you know a lot
of our sets was you know, trying to get him
to get him the rock, and so I tried to
used to make it as difficult as possible for him.

(01:40:21):
And when we would play, you know, first team versus
second team my freshman year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
We was winning games.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
You know what I'm saying. It wasn't just the start
as always winning. He's winning games.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
Yeah, yeah, matter of fact, just my last little story
man man Tony got tight my first year we happened
to be you know, I say it was in Maui.
We had to get put his roommates and I was
with him when his uh he got that call about his.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Mom Broen, his mom dad.

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
Yeah, and uh you know that kind of that kind
of got us tight from from that moment on. Man,
you know, just going through the experience with him, you
know what I'm saying during that time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Yeah, Yeah, salute to Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Absolutely, absolutely so.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
Not a not a rapid fire question, but just being
again you you are, You're Charlotte through and through. How
you feel about the c I Double A is being
moved from there to Baltimore?

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Oh man, you told my last rapid fire question. Yeah,
it's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Cool. I'm gonna tell you like this.

Speaker 5 (01:41:17):
You know, we we fucking hate it because again, the
C I Double A made its name across the damn country,
Dan and Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
But you know, I have to be fair.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
The c I Double A is back to its essence
when it's in Baltimore because it's more about the games,
and it's more about showing up to the game and
showing the love and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
But I feel like the c I double A.

Speaker 5 (01:41:40):
They need to open their mind a little bit and
instead of going against you know, a place like Charlotte,
who is known for the day parties and different things
like that, instead of being mad about it, then why
don't y'all have some of the biggest artists and y'all
hosts a party.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Y'all hosts an old school party or a young party.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Then now you are making the money off of that,
instead of sitting at complaining that everybody else is making
money and no one's coming to the game jumping the game.
Y'all are y'all are the name, y'all are the brand.
So y'all host the biggest artists. So now y'all are
making money from it now. Also, the game can be
lit because you can have some of these artists coming
to the games like they got to start to, you know,

(01:42:17):
see where they can expand it and make this more
of a money maker.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Because Charlotte seawan that this can be a big thing.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
Oh yeah, but I will see from the from the
feedback I've gotten from it being in Baltimore. Uh, you know,
people don't feel it's safe to getting around for with
the parties and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
So the party has been you know, really kind of
been bleak. So it's not the same experience.

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
But I did hear that for as the C I
Double A numbers, it was better because people are going
to the game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
It's more you know, focused around that. But if you're
just saying about for is the C I Double A
being a mother fucking event.

Speaker 5 (01:42:52):
And something that people look forward to every year, Yeah,
it's a bit let big let down, and we thought
we was going to be getting it. I guess what
in two years then now I think Baltimore getting it
again or something like that. So yeah, it was it was.
It's a big disappointment down here, man. But uh you know,
in due time, you know, if it's supposed to come back,
it will.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
It's another guy trying to start like a kind of
black turnament down here. But I mean, you know, it
ain't the same type of thing.

Speaker 5 (01:43:19):
And it was only his first year, so maybe you
know it might grow, you know, for the years. But yeah, no,
it's a big disappointment, bro. I mean, y'all got it
for right now, but uh, you know, we're hoping they
come on back to its natural home.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
I personally loved it in Charlotte, right right, Hey, Ramond
already knows. If you're gonna see me anywhere, it's gonna
be in shott every year.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Hey, And it'd be so random, like we never like
it wasn't like we'll call each other nothing. It would
just be randomly every year we run into each other
some damn well Yo, yeah, he yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:53):
I hope, I hope they definitely get it back out there,
just because it's it's like you said, I think if
they put a little bit more effort into trying to
be more inclusive about how they do it versus just
focusing on the ship numbers from the tournament, it's it's
too big of an event in Charlotte, like and and
that's a perfect place for it because it's not a
whole lot else going on down there. And and like

(01:44:15):
you said, as far as the party scene, you can't
move around Baltimore like that, especially if you ain't from it.
But you got to go to the game and to
your hotel at home. You ain't unless you comfortable moving
around Baltimore, you ain't definitely getting out there.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
A lot of parties is out here in DC.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Yeah, parties, but they got it in you know, going
forty minutes back and forth, you know what I mean.
So yeah, I definitely support it going back to Charlotte
because that's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
That's where it should be. It was, it was lit.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Right, we had all accommodations for it. The arena was
right downtown. We had the Epic Center. That center ain't
no joke, but right, you know what I'm matter of fact.
I don't know if you'll know they had close the
epercent of down. Yeah, they actually about to reopen it,
and so maybe you know, that may be a little
sign that in a few years that'll come on back,

(01:45:09):
because that's definitely a hub that they need to have
open because you know, as y'all know, it was just
a perfect situation, you know what I mean, to have
all those beautiful black people down there at the clubs,
the bars, the diners, the bowling alleys, you know what
I'm saying, just and the hell, even if you ain't
have a ticket to get in it anywhere, you could
just go to the Epicenter and have a fucking battle you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
See at the Epicenter and see everything.

Speaker 6 (01:45:29):
Just sit and the bowling olly was the best place,
sit up top and just see everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
That's a beautiful spot.

Speaker 6 (01:45:35):
Many salut and hope they get it back out there
because it's definitely, definitely uh an awesome scene, like you said,
an awesome scene to see that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:44):
So now now just asking y'all, have y'all been to
and then you see our double A situations since I've
been up there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Fuck, no, no party in Baltimore. I'm not even I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Not even trying that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
I wasn't sure because you know what I'm saying, I
ain't know if like you know, when people come in town,
it's a different field.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
But as y'all being.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Locals, y'all like our hell now, Yeah, I was upset
soon as they announced it was.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Coming to the balls and announced it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
It's not it's not as bad as as I thought
it was gonna be. But when they first said it
was going Baltimore, I said, oh man, people are gonna
be getting laid down.

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
Yeah, And like Coach said, it ain't you know, especially
from the party scene, it ain't none of that happening
about it. You gotta you gotta drive another forty five
minutes to come across the bridge to do that, and
it just takes like I said, you stent All did
at the tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
You ain't trying to drive to go hang out.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Like right, Charlie. Everything was right there. You can walk.
You didn't have to drive across here or there. You
it was right there. Brou night parties, you know what
I mean. I mean I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Go to the game, you could, but it was about
the It's just about the the around it. Yeah, nothing
like it, man, that's shine of love. Man ain't nothing
like it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
A lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
People who used to go to the c I Double
A and Charlotte, you know, fell in love with the
city and Arlotte.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Yeah, we still were still getting the fluctuation of that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
We're still getting it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
I run into people all the time, and that'd be
for their stories where it's like, man, I came down
here for c I Double A man and Ship I
said I was coming back and you know, so it
definitely was a big thing for the city. The only
thing I tell people who come from out of town, please, guys,
if you don't like it, go back.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
You don't have all this complaining and ship who can
ask you to come down here? So I don't understand.
I don't be saying what.

Speaker 6 (01:47:45):
It's I don't understand what it's not. The like because
you got the epicenter. And then, like you said, if
you really do your research, you got Lake Norman. And
that's probably one of the dopest spots to to, you know,
one of the most un underrated spots to go to,
because it's again it's it's right there in the middle
of everything, right.

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
And then if you're on the opposite side coach of
Lake Norman, on the other side of the city.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
You got this place called Lake Wiley, which is pretty
much the same thing, you know what I'm saying, and uh,
you know, and and then we got the mountains.

Speaker 5 (01:48:17):
That's you know, you can get to the mountains in
two hours. You can get to the beach in two
and a half three hours. We're in a perfect spot
to be able to, you know what I'm saying, to
take a take advantage of all kinds of things that
you that you want to Right up street from Georgia, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Up street from Tennessee, right a street from Virginia.

Speaker 5 (01:48:32):
Like you can get a little bit of everywhere because
the Southeast Coast, you know what I mean, you can
get pretty much anywhere, you know, within a decent amount
of hours.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
And so you know, I love it here man.

Speaker 5 (01:48:43):
To be honest with you, man, I've always said that,
you know, Charlotte is going to always be my home.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
I can always move somewhere else, get some money somewhere else, but.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
My home.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
When my when my son first started playing football, he
was out in South Carolina and Charlotte was our stop.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
That was that was my that was my reason. Is
my excused of stuff right there?

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, man. I love my city. Man, I'm
glad that we keep growing. Like I said, it can
be a little activating with the traffic sometimes, but you know,
the thing is when you ask, you know, you can't
sit there and be picking by how you receive it.
And you know, I think the city is really growing,
and I think that you know, over the the I say,
next five to ten years, you know, we'd be considered

(01:49:27):
a major city like any other big city. We just
got to get some retail downtown. That's the only thing, man,
we don't have no retail yet. I don't know what has.

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
A banking because I know it was at one point
driven by the banking and then you kind of went
into your customer service.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
What is it is it now?

Speaker 6 (01:49:43):
The retail just trying to pick up what's the what's
the driver behind the city now.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
I mean we you know, we're still the leader in
banks like Wells Fargo just about another building down here.

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
But they're trying to work on the retail.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Matter of fact, I think part of the Epic Center
opening back up is to bring some retail in because
back in the day, like in the eighties and maybe
even the early nineties, I'm not sure exactly what year
we had Belts and J C. Pennies and different mass
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Downtown, but we had a lot of the hoods used
to be downtown as well. And so they've done a
lot of cleaning up.

Speaker 5 (01:50:17):
Obviously you already know how they do for its gentrification
and all of other stuff. So I think now they
feel more comfortable some of those big corporations coming back
in downtown.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
So I do think that we're gonna start seeing that
a little more, because that's that's just the next step.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
I mean, Snow, I've never been to a major city
and you can shot downtown like I just never have.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
So for us to get to that next level, I
think we need to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
And they also been talking about trying to get a
major League Baseball team here so you know, if we
want to if we want to really be on that
level and have you know, we need all the bells
and whistles, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
So they definitely need to step that up.

Speaker 5 (01:50:49):
I think they're about to renovate the Panther Stadium and
the Hornet Spectrum Centerm as well, so you know it's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
Time for step out, step our shuit up, man, and
you know, because we you know, we want of those
cities and we need to go ahead and take advantage
of that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
Yeah, in fact, it's definitely that definitely, well bro man,
it's been a pleasure man, you coming on the show
Man and chopping it up with us. Man, this is
an awesome interview. I know our view as a listeners
definitely enjoyed themselves. You can come back here anytime, moments notice,
if you just want to come talk from shit, talk

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about football, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
You family, so you know we'll let it have you anytime.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
No, I'm with it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
If y'all ever again doing any other episodes that y'all
think of me for is you know, I don't know
if y'all do commentating on the season when it comes up,
whatever it may be man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
I'm always willing to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
Matter of fact, I want to apologize because I meant
to have some of y'all apparel, but I've been rushing
the day. But I definitely appreciate y'all sending that apparel.
They got some dope hats and shirts. Man, they sent
me and all different.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Colors or whatever. So I definitely want to repnite.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
But y'all, as I know, I was doing a lot
with the kids, whatever, So I definitely appreciate that love
out that y'all showing and send me some of that stuff. Man,
definitely gonna be rocking it. And again, man, let me
know any time I'm on here. Y'all already know I'm
geech is as broad as possible. You know what I'm
saying on whatever it is, on my opinion on what
it is. And so definitely, man, I want to love

(01:52:15):
to be back and I love the fact that y'all
gave me this opportunity in this platform.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Man. Yes, sir, salute to you. Salute man your success
with everything. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Yes, no cast Boys show, podcasting, Raman Marshall, we appreciate
you tuning in each and every week. Continue to support
us and we're gonna continue bringing this heat. Respect and honor, salute, salute.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
No sports show.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
We're supports to combos collide.