Episode 80 "Crown Jewel Predictions"

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Speaker 1 (00:56):
What is up, ladies and gents? Welcome back to the
no gimmicks podcast here on theDFPN. We got a great show laid
out for you guys tonight. Wehave not only my cohost tonight,
the the dark lord himself, dvader. What's up, man?

(01:17):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh, man. I'm just chilling. You telling me?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Listen. I hope you appreciate this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, so you dress up you said you dress up as a as a
Jedi?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yes. I don't

Speaker 2 (01:29):
You see, I was, you you see, I was gonna get suited
up, and then I'm like, well, youknow, I was gonna do Michael
Myers.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
You just oh,

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm on fire. Yeah. But I was probably doing all
that, so I just said fuck

Speaker 1 (01:41):
it. All good, man. All good. Welcome back. Welcome
back.
We got a couple of we got acouple of guests with us tonight
from the USDN podcast, 1st andforemost. The owner and chairman
of the Council of Nerds himself,a great writer, a staunch

(02:01):
researcher, and somebody who'sdoing some great shorts on how
to pick up some great comicbooks. He's got his shorts
series running now. Mister JeffyJeff, what's up with you, man?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
What is going on? You're gonna make me blush. I am
rocking the rebels T shirttonight, and I topped it off or
bottomed off. I I don't know howto put it, but I got my PJ pants
with the Star Wars on it too.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I got the full ensemble on. This fuck it's hot,
bro. Like

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Dude, Jedi Rose don't breathe. Jay don't breathe, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
This gonna be a quick show.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I I I don't I I don't wanna hear about how hot you
are.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh, I know. I know. I do

Speaker 2 (02:41):
that kid. I I just dress up as Vazie every day.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
You did. So This is why I'm dressed up.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
So I'm like I'm like, I owe him 1.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So Did

Speaker 3 (02:49):
you get the cooling system for the Vader suit?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
No. I haven't gotten it yet. I'm waiting for I got
some other, I got another armorand helmet set coming, so that's
what I'm gonna do at. Till then,I'm just, winging it.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Right on. Right on. So let me get let me get to my
other guest tonight. First timeon no gimmicks. It's been a long
time coming, man.
We we've collaborated on a lotof work. You know him from BCP
plus, the Bob Culture podcast.He's put in his foot into the
media world. He's he's slowlytaken that over with the BCP

(03:25):
Plus online, mag that he's got,and he he's just an all around
great guy. Please welcome to nogimmicks, Rob.
What is up, brother?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Oh, thank you. Appreciate it, Calvin. We we are
breaking into the media, sir, asalways, man, and I always
appreciate you, man. Just youspear spearheading stuff with
the UFL. Some of the wrestlingstuff we're trying to get bigger
opportunities to, man.
So I I always got nothing butlove for you, man. I appreciate
you having me on. Was thatMonteezy on the theme song?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It was.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's good. Yeah. I love Monteezy. Actually, I
almost gotta play with him once.Funny story, I'll save that for
off air, but that's that's very,very cool.
And, also, I didn't get thememo, dude. I do have Chewbacca
pajamas like a onesie, so, youknow, next time.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
You know what? I, yeah, I kept this because it was
it was a it was a show that Itold Frank Dee that I was gonna
do it. I didn't wanna I didn'twanna make it like a whole
thing. I was like, last week, hedonned his attire, and I felt
bad. So this week, I donned myattire.
I didn't I didn't put theresponsibility on anybody else,

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but

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Now now she said that I definitely

Speaker 3 (04:40):
I talked to him to doing a whole show as Vater. I
don't know what you're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, man. Yeah. So before we get into the meat and
potatoes of tonight, I do wannago over something. And it was
announced yesterday that WWElaunched a WWE ID, which is
independent developmentalprogram that they're gonna start

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working with the independents.And what this means is they're
gonna provide, certain talents,not necessarily certain talents,
but talents that go to throughthese schools that they had
designated with the w I WWE ID.
They have a pathway now to getto the WWE, and there were 5

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schools named. One of them ishere in Texas. So they pretty
much have one on every coast. Iknow they have Knox and Cali.
There's Elite Pro, Reality ofWrestling, and then there's one
out of Jersey.
There's another one out ofJersey. But they they are

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setting up shop in theindependence, and it it seems on
the surface like a great idea. Iwanna go around the room first.
I'm gonna start with you, Frankd. What are your thoughts on
this WWE ID and what this meansfor the independents?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I mean, on surface, it sounds like a good
opportunity and a good idea.Right? But then if you do your
history, you know that prettymuch they're just going to take
over the independence and raidthem just like Vince did with
the territories back in the day.Essentially, what he's doing is
locking down and what I mean byhe, I'm talking about triple h,

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t k o. What they're doing ispretty much locking down all the
talent.
So these talents no longer cango to a an AEW or a New Japan or
something like that. And youguys have to remember that WWE
already have done thispreviously with NXT UK when they
came in there, and they workedwith all those independents and
didn't do anything with them.You know what I mean? And then

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pretty much they just devastatedthe UK market to the point where
there's only maybe a handful ofwrestling companies out there is
actually popping right now. WWEis gonna do what they want and
get what they want.
So, I mean, it sounds like agood idea. Maybe I'm wrong about
this. I don't think I am. Butremember, Vince raided all the
territories. It was, like, go toNew York.

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So what did Vince do? VinceScott Hogan. Vince Scott
Ventura. Vince Scott Mean Gene.He got Bobby to bring in all
these different cast from alldifferent territories, junkyard
dog, cats, all Jim Duggan.
I mean, he raided everybody, andthere's only 2 places to go at
the point. You can go to Vinceor go to Crockett. That was it.
Because AWA was on a goodfactor. So that's what I think.

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It's just it's just a minor andtake over. It's just history
repeating the stuff is all it

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Interesting. Interesting thoughts. Rob, what
you got?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I got a lot of thoughts, man. So just just cut
me off, if you need to, man.Just get the giant cane, and
pull pull me off, man. Veryinteresting. So I got this email
yesterday.
I got the press release 17minutes, like, you know, after
it was released. So I posted it.Everyone's sharing it. I see a
lot of positive reaction fromthe indie talent. I see some

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more insight from maybe some ofthe journalists.
Some people have done theirresearch. So I'm very good,
especially in this world, man,where things are, like, one way
or the other, man. I I I couldtake off whatever hat and just
kinda look at it from bothsides, man. I think, man, I'm
being very careful what I'msaying here. Through the
grapevine and and things of thatnature, I think I have heard

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that the, I think I have heard,that, the NIL program, some of
them tryouts, as of late mayhave not been the best.
I think I think that particularprogram may have rubbed some of
the indie wrestlers the wrongway. Not that the I don't know

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if that meant a lot to WWE ornot. I certainly can't speak for
them, but I think, you know, whynot have the the actual
wrestlers who are training thatthat know wrestling, that love
wrestling, that grew up watchingthe Hardee's and Lita and
Undertaker, and they want this.This is their dream. They watch
it with their grandma, whateverit was, and they're training at
these schools, and they'retraveling week every single

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weekend.
And we're seeing people and andno disrespect because it's
worked out for a lot of people,but people who don't know
wrestling or people who areamazing athletes in other
ventures, and and sometimes itworks out great. Other times,
apparently not. And I didn't seea lot of mention of the NIL
after this. And I in the back ofmy mind, I could just see

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someone going like, hey. We needto change something.
We need to do something. Howabout this? We have our talent
or some of our guys associatedwith WWE here, here, here, and
here. Let's get the map. Here'sour map.
Right? What do we got? Iowa. Wegot, what, LA. We got, reality
rest.
We got Texas. Nightmare inAtlanta, and it's not Jersey.

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It's actually New Hampshire.Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Up there. No.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
No worries, man. But think about it. It's just like
it's all the corners, man. Like,it's just it's right there. So
to what Dee was saying, I Icould definitely see a a big
strategy in that as well.
From the indie town that I'vespoken to, like, a lot of them
are reaching out to theseschools already. You know?
They're reaching out like, hey.I can be under WID. Like, it's
almost like I called it NXTCollege.

(10:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Do I

Speaker 4 (10:24):
know if that's true? No. I've reached out for more
information, anyone I caninterview. I don't I don't know
if it would be, like, a GabeSapolsky. I don't I don't know.
Or a scout. I don't really know.I think it's very limited in
information. There's definitelya business plan here for for no
question. You know?
And it is great for WWE. I thinkit's a in terms of just the
business hat, it's gonna do alot for WWE. And, hopefully,

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people who wanna be in WWE.There there are certain
wrestlers that may not wanna goto AEW. WWE's been their dream.
And, you know, people have beengoing, you know, week in, week
out, just grinding on the road,grinding on the indies. I feel
like from their perspective,because I'm close a lot of these
any people in the northeast,there's a lot of excitement,

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which is awesome and cool. Butwith everything, I I need to see
it firsthand. You know? I Ican't be quick to judge.
I can look at it from bothsides. Hopefully, it's a really
positive thing. I think the factthat WWE is on paper embracing
the independence is really,really cool. Triple h put out a
a tweet about, you know, theseare these are we have some great
people on the independence. Nowwe're embracing it.

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Now we have the WWE ID program.So I can look at it from both
ways, man. I'm very interested.I am very, very interested. I'll
put it that way.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Good stuff, man. Good stuff. We'll come back to that.
Jeff, what you got?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm gonna agree with both of these guys. I mean,
until we really see it in blackand white in front of our faces,
what it actually means, it'sreally no way to tell. At first
thought, it looks looks great.I'm super happy for the indie
guys that are gonna get toparticipate in this program. But

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is it a hostile takeover withoutit looking like a hostile
takeover, like Frank said?
So we'll see. It definitelyneeds to pan out, and they
definitely I'm looking forwardto reading more about it when it
when WWE decides to release moreinformation on it.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
No. Real real talk. Real talk. So I wanna go I wanna
go with something that Rob said.And it's something that struck
me because before this wasannounced, there there were
people that were on this podcastthat I know from working with
them on this podcast.
I've gotten to follow them. Andthey had just did reality of

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wrestling did a, showcase, aTexas showcase this past
weekend, where a lot ofdifferent, they call them dojos,
came and showcased their theirbiggest, brightest talent. After
that, it was it was announcedthat reality of wrestling was a

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WWE ID school. Right? Theexcitement that I've seen from
these guys is something that youyou spoke on, Rob, and it's
something that really took metoo.
Like, these guys, it it itreally put a charge on them to
where they're they're ready towork, and they're really ready
to get their, you know, gettheir comeuppance. You know what

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I mean? And just being at aplace like reality of wrestling
kinda it it kinda hit them in aplace to where, like, I just did
this show, and it could lead meto a WWE opportunity. So on one
front, you're seeing a lot ofthese guys, like, up their game
immediately. A lot of thesepeople start putting out more

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posts.
They're they're more busy onsocial media. They're trying to
be seen. They're putting outtheir resume a lot faster now.
I'm seeing a lot more of thatright off the bat. Just I stuff
I hadn't seen from a lot ofpeople, I'm now starting to see.
So on one front, I'm like, it'sdoing good because a lot of

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these guys are getting theirnames. They they are now taking
this way more seriously thanthey ever have. Right? Because
now WWE is is they have theireyes on the independence, and
they know this. On the otherhand, I go back to what Frank d
said.
We've seen this movie before towhere WWE, NXT, UK, they they

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did this in the UK, and theaftereffects were very, very
damaging to the independentscene in the UK. There there
aren't a lot of those guys left.RevPro is is is the biggest one
that that's still around, butthere were a lot of independent
companies that that went underas a result of WWE doing this.

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So there is cause to worry. AndI I I am on the on the side of
let's wait and see what whatthis does, but be cautious about
it as well.
Because in initially, I think itis doing it is doing some good.
Whether you get those people whowanna go to w WWE and have the

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WWE ID, whether you get them inthat system or not, just the
fact that everybody's workingtowards something, it may cause
eyes from elsewhere to get puton them that they may they may
not have thought about beforethis was announced. So

Speaker 2 (15:38):
And I think the

Speaker 1 (15:39):
in a good and a bad to it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I mean, I think the the positive thing of it is
that, you know, from what I sawin the in the press release
talking about how they're gonnaget the mentorship, and they're
gonna get, you know, financiallycompensated. And because a lot
of guys that go through theIndies, they, you know, they
don't get paid anything. Theysleep in their car, have to
share hotel rooms. It's justit's to grind. It's always been
to grind.
So that part of it, I do like.That part of it is that they're

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gonna have this monetarysupport. They don't have to
struggle. It's almost as ifyou're going to, as Rob said,
college. It's it's pretty muchwhat it is because you're you're
you're doing this college, youknow, probably you get this
scholarship, right, to work, andthen NXT is where you're gonna
go.
That's that's that's the nextstep is now NXT. It used to be

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well, you know, if your NXT isthe main roster, but now it's
the independence, and the nextstop is NXT. I like that aspect
of it. I like the fact thatthey're gonna try to take care
of the guys and gals out therethat want to be in the business.
But then on the on the downside,it's a cash 22.
Right? Okay. So you get in thisnext or this, this this ID

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program. You're you're a part ofthis, so you can no longer,
let's say, take independentbookings. You they can pull you
because now they control younow.
See, that's the problem. Whenyou're an independent company
that is a part of a$1,000,000,000 company, you're
no longer independent. You'renow part of the machine. And

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once the machine designed withyou, they're gonna push it to
the side. So

Speaker 1 (17:11):
That that's how it works.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's the that's the catch point too. Because, like,
let's just say, for instance,that this doesn't work for me.
Right? Now what if I decide, oh,okay. I wanna go to AEW.
Well, you can't go to AEW. Well,why not? Because you're a part
of this. You know, you sign acontract. So do I is there a no
compete clause in this contract?
Like, how am I supposed to makeany kind of money if if this has

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worked out for me? So these arekind of things that I wanna know
about, like, as far as program,like because you know how w b
is. Yeah. You know? You know,independent contractors.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah. That's an interesting question that that
really needs an answer to it. Soagreed. Agreed. Alright,
gentlemen.
Let's let's dive into the meatand potatoes. We got, WWE crown
jewel, the annual event takingplace in Saudi this weekend.

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Stipulations have been added.We're gonna get a champion
versus champion match first timeever at Crown Jewel, and the
winner gets to lead the CrownJewel champion. We got
championships up on the line.
We have storylines that that arepicking up, heating up. So let's
dive into it. We'll go in the1st match on the card. Looks

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like we're gonna have a fourway, Bianca Belair, Jade
Cargill, Chelsea Green, andPiper Niven, versus Metaphor,
Last Legend, and Jakar Jacksonwho made their main roster
debut, and damage controlkicking us off. I'm gonna throw
this one to you, Jeff.
What you got on your predictionfirst and foremost? Why do

Speaker 3 (18:57):
you have to start with me for this is this is one
of those where I don't reallyknow. I don't but I'm gonna go
for the the ultimate upset here.I'm gonna go with the metaphors,
last legend, and Jakara Jacksonwith the upset.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I could see that. Any particular reason why?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
The push they've been getting, they've been getting a
lot of attention on the mainroster here lately. They've been
on the main roster lately. Idon't see them really pushing
them up to that level withoutsome type of plan behind it.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I like it. I I like it. I have an idea on that one.
Dee, let's go with you next.What you got?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm gonna go with Piper Niven and Chelsea Green to
to to take it. I like that. Ithink Jade and Bianca, like,
they're cool as a tag team, andI know why they have them
together. You know, she canlearn from Bianca. That's that's
why she's they have themtogether.
But, man, they they need somenew blood with this tag
division. So, I'm looking for atitle change here, but we all

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know that this is nothing morethan a glorified house show is
what it is. Just happens to bein Saudi, and it's called crown
jewel. It's pretty much whatthey're doing here. So, I'm I'm
gonna go with them too to, youknow because there there's a lot
more leverage.
I mean, I know they got the theother ones in there, and
there's, you know, they'recoming up whatever, but that'll
be instant heat. So I'm gonna gowith them.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Okay. I like that. I I am not mad at that pick. Rob,
on you, my friend.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I I'll be honest, man. This is tough for me. I
really have no read on the pulseof this whole thing. With Bianca
and Jade, I thought I really,really did ever since being in
Tampa at the Royal Rumble. Themhaving that face off, going move
for move, flexing on each other,man.
I was like, oh, I wanna seethis, man. And I've been waiting
impatiently to see them justface each other, and they lost

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the titles already. And thenthey won them back, and I'm just
like, I got nothing. It feelslike some sort of hard reset,
and I don't know where they'regoing. I I I, you know, I hope
it's not the one turns on theother or whatever.
A lot of people are kindahinting at Bianca. You know,
she's just been doing, first ofall, amazing. Arguably, one of
the best women. I think she wasnumber 1 in the PWI 2 or 3 3

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years ago, deservedly sounquestionably. But maybe it's
time for a change with Biancajust in terms of heal her face,
and I hate saying that becauseshe's just so good.
I could see Piper and Chelseagetting it. Shameless promo if I
may check out our interview overwith Chelsea on BCP Plus. She
was amazing and a lot of fun,and, honestly, one of

Speaker 3 (21:49):
the nicest wrestlers I've ever met. I'll I'll put it
that way. She I've never seenher give a bad interview.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Oh, yeah. She she wasn't being a Karen. So and I
kid I kid when I say that. Shewas she was being very nice. But
that being said, I could seeHerb Piper getting it.
The NXT talent, I I I need alittle bit more first before
they become champions, but IJeffree said, they've been
pushing them pretty hard, so Icould see that happening. I have
no read on this. I'm gonna gowith the safe pick, which is

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usually my dating profile, andI'm gonna go, Jade and Bianca.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Okay. Jade and Bianca. I am gonna Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm gonna cut you off. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna
say this real quick when it goesback to Bianca and Jade right
quick. I think one of thereasons why, you know, they
they've kinda kinda reset alittle bit with those 2.
Jade is incredibly over as ababy face, so you you kinda
don't wanna mess that up.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Bianca is sometimes you you gotta do a refresh. And
we've we've seen this I mean,they did it with Becky Lynch
where Becky Lynch was that babyface, baby face, and then she
started doing the man gimmick,but they really the man gimmick
didn't really get over until NiaJax busted her

Speaker 3 (23:05):
nose.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's when she got over really big time where it's
okay. She's tough. You know whatI mean? So with Bianca, Bianca
is no different than, like, whatI see with with Naomi. Why is
Naomi not a heel?
Why is Naomi why why was Naominot a part of the original
bloodline? You know, you thatcould have done the the, like,
the glow stick is, like, it'stired, bro. Like It's old. We

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need to see something. You know,put a fresh coat of paint on on
this and, like, change changethe story a little bit.
You know what I'm saying? Like,it's like with the street
profits, for instance. I'm I'mgoing out the road, but I'm I'm
going somewhere with this. Soit's like when the street
profits were with Bobby Lashley.Okay?
And we thought we're gonna get

Speaker 3 (23:45):
the hurt business part 2. Right? And then they
just completely dropped it. Andnow the street profits, you
know, nowhere baby faces. Signto turn somebody, like, do
something different, and and, Imean, they they

Speaker 2 (24:00):
had something there when they're coming out with
suits on or whatever. Theypretty much were to hurt Sydney
pretty much before it hurtSydney. Yep. So that's what I'm
saying with with with Bianca andand and Jade, I'm like, I I
think they're they're holdingoff on this to WrestleMania. I I
really do believe that.
I think that's where you'regonna see the first match
between these 2. You're gonnadrag it out a little bit more,
but, eventually, somebody'sgonna turn on somebody. Or you

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could do a straight up babyfaceversus babyface, but that don't
really work. Jade was a prettygood heel at AW. She was a good
heel to the point where she gotover, and they were cheering
her.
And when she go out there andsay, you know, I'm that bitch.
Right? Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
We've seen that act before. It's kinda ran its
course a little bit. It's and Ithink it's more money with Jade,
honestly, as a baby face becausepeople love her. She's really
good with the case. She's youknow?
Bianca, on the other hand,Bianca can use that to change.
Bianca could be that person thatturns Montez Ford on Angela. You

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can see a real power couple hereif they do it correctly. You
know? But, hey, I digress.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
If they do it correctly is the statement here,
and I don't think they will.Because if if if it goes how I
think it's gonna go, my pick isthat Jakara and Lash are gonna
win this match. They're gonna betag team champions. This will
eventually lead to Jaden andBianca versus those 2 to get

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their belts back. And in thatmatch, I think Jade's gonna turn
on Bianca, and then she'll haveher baddies again in WWE.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
The 2 baddies could be the 2 NXT girls. Yep. I can
see that.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
I think I I think that I think that it looks like
that's where they're going. I'mnot Or that is where they're
going. I it looks

Speaker 2 (25:53):
like Or or what if they what if they serve you? And
it's Bianca with the baddies.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'd take that. Mad. I'd take that.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'd take that. Bianca is is, like, not what she it's
kinda like what I said aboutCody Rhodes. It's not what he
used portraying stuff to be.Bianca. Not not what she you
know, she's she's not that rolemodel like you think she is.
Like, look what look. Okay. Lookat Bayley. You know when she

Speaker 3 (26:23):
was a hugger and all that? You know, she's doing all
that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
And then she finally it it flipped, and she had a a
career renaissance, the secondbirth or whatever. Yep. That's
what can happen with her withwith Bianca. I I I don't know.
I'm just listen.
I'm I'm the heel here. I justwanna see, you know, I wanna see
some I I wanna see him turnheel. That's what we need we all
need a good heel turn nowadays.You know what I mean? Yeah.
And we haven't had with the Wehaven't had one in a while.

(26:48):
Yeah. We haven't had that withthe women. Like, the the the one
only one we've had recently was,who was it? I mean

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Ross and Perez.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
He Bron Breaker was a was already a heel anyways. But
as far as, like, we as far asthe I mean yeah. But that's
like, you know, no one cares,bro. It's we're talking about
the main roster. So we needsomething on the main roster.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Had one. And we all been begging for a Bianca Hill
turn.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. Just like we're begging for a
Bailey one. When they and theyand then they finally pulled the
trigger.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It was Yeah. The best thing ever.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. You know, and they tease
something, like I said before.When they were doing that little
thing they were doing and andand, Bailey beat Naomi.
And they had a little backstagesegment. I could swear I thought
Naomi was gonna turn on her.Like, that was leading
something, and it did leave. Nowshe's back out there shucking
and jiving and going.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Naomi had that smile when she's walking like that.
That, like, annoyed smile. It

Speaker 2 (27:41):
was perfect. And why and why haven't they put Naya
and Naomi? They are family. Theyare the bloodline, technically.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah. I've been wanting that for a minute. Give
me a female version of thebloodline. Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
And wouldn't that be the ultimate betrayal of of
Naomi turning on Jimmy? Like,Solo when he really get back at
at at Jimmy, so he you know?Yeah. I don't know, man. My my
friend of mine is always going.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's cold. I like it.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
That's cold and dirty. You imagine the heat that
we get? Yes.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah. I'll do Christmas this year.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Work our way there. Let's work our way there. We so
next match we got is LA Knightversus Andrade versus Carmelo
Hayes. This is kind of athrowaway for me, but, Rob, what
you got for this one?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah. It's interesting how we got here,
them having those series ofmatches. I think Styles was in
the fold at one point. I'mwatching that go down with
Styles, and I'm like, oh, like,that looks legit. And sure
enough, he's been off TV, so getwell.
I'm assuming it's a legit,injury. So get well, AJ Styles,
1st and foremost. Man, that waswhat a bummer to see that. But

Speaker 1 (28:55):
That's too bad.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Man. I don't I don't think LA night is dropping the
tie. Man, I hate going onpodcast going, oh, it's too soon
and blah blah blah. But it's toosoon. You know, like, he just
won the championship, not toolong ago, and I think he just
needs to establish himself as aa dominant singles competitor,
which he has, but even more soshould be a really, really good

(29:17):
match.
Sometimes, multi mans get alittle little tricky. They're
gonna do some crazy stuff.They're gonna hit their spots.
They're gonna lay it on theline. But at the end of the day,
I think, we're gonna get LAKnight winning this and going on
to the next challenger for theUS championship.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Nice. Frank d, what you got?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I I have to agree with with Robert. I think it's
gonna be a late night retaining.There's there's no point for
Elliott to drop it right now,especially because like I said,
man, crown jewel is

Speaker 1 (29:46):
it's not

Speaker 2 (29:46):
really that important of an event. I mean, it's a it's
a it's a house show. It's it itit's a it's a house show. So if
you wanna have a a a titlechange, it'll probably happen at
survivor series. You know?
This is because I mean, this isjust pretty much their their
Saudi obligation. That's all itis. The the real show is gonna
be survivor series. This it iswhat it is. And that's you know?

(30:08):
So I I'm gonna go with LA Knightretaining until he finds a more
suitable person to take him off.I I would love personally,
they're now on the same roster,but I would have loved to see
the LA Knight and carbito foryou personally for the US Idol.
I think that should work.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Interesting. You know what, man? I am I'm gonna pick
LA Knight on this one, but I amnot I have not been his reign so
far. I I the I think he's gottenlost under under the shuffle
over at SmackDown, especiallywith what they're doing with the

(30:45):
bloodline. The bloodline hasbeen prevalent.
If you compare his reign to whatthey did with with, Logan Paul's
reign, like, it's it's night andday. And I don't get it what
what is going on with LA Knight.It's like he's he's built
himself up. He he should be in ahigher position, but, okay, you

(31:08):
got the bloodline storyline. Iget it's not gonna trump that,
but it just hasn't clicked forme his title reign on the US
side so far.
It just hasn't. I I I I don'tdislike it, but I don't love it.
I don't love how he's been usedas the US champion.

(31:32):
Particularly, if you haveAndrade and car and Carmelo
Hayes in the best of 7 series toface you for the title, and he's
on the back burner this entiretime. He hasn't had a match.
And it's like, okay. If you wantme if you want me to be invested
in this guy is gonna face LAKnight because that series was

(31:54):
it was a solid series. Yes. Youyou put a lot into Carmelo
Hayes. You kinda built him up alittle bit, but in the end, I'm
getting a triple threat.
So and I'm getting a triplethreat against a guy who hasn't
had a match in a while. And, youknow, he hasn't really cut any
promos or anything. He's justkind of there. And, like, why?

(32:17):
Why are we doing why, like, whyare we doing this?
In my head, I'm like, why are wedoing this, man?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know what? You know what's funny? I think that,
honestly, the momentum is gonefor LA night. LA night is no
longer special anymore is whatit is.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I hate I hate

Speaker 2 (32:32):
thinking that, but that's what it is. Maybe That is
exactly what it is. Like, youokay. So I think you guys would
agree with this. What we'reseeing right now is is once
again, we're talking aboutearlier with the with the ID
program.
This is history repeatingitself. The dominant storyline
in all of WWE is the bloodline.No different than the dominant

(32:55):
storyline in WCW was the NWO. Sothe NWO trumped everything else
that was going on. It didn'tmatter if you were the US
champion, the TV champion, thetag team champions.
Did not matter. The main storywas the NWO, Hogan, Sting,
whatever they were doing.Whatever whatever they were
doing. And all the lower cardguys suffered from that. They

(33:17):
weren't getting the reactionsthat the NWO were getting.
LA Knight was super over at onepoint. Now he's not. You know?
He had a match with RomanReigns. That necessarily didn't
do him any favors.
You know? People say all thetime back in the day, like,
well, where you know, I know I'mgoing off here, but it didn't
make sense in a second. Peoplesay all the time, like, well,
what happened with what happenedto Bray Wyatt? Right? You know

(33:37):
what happened to Bray Wyatt?
John Cena's what happened toBray Wyatt. When he wrestled
John Cena, it killed hismomentum. He never recovered
from John Cena. That's whathappened to him. No different
than Wade Barrett neverrecovered from John Cena.
You guys remember Summer Slam2010? The Nexus versus WWE? That
was yeah. So that's what we'reseeing here. And on top of that,

(34:00):
I gotta say, when you're outthere cosplaying as The Rock or
song, and then The Real Rockshows up, yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. Your thunder kinda leaves.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yep. So and and remember, that's when LA night's
thunder started you know, hismomentum started sleeping away.
That's when the rock came backbecause you got exposed, buddy.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
That is that is that is kinda true. But Mhmm. I
compare so we were at RoyalRumble last year.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
And for the better part of the Royal Rumble, like,
this guy's name just keptgetting called throughout the
Royal Rumble. Like Yeah. Fromthat to where we are now is like
is like, what happened? But andyou you got a point there. It's
like,

Speaker 2 (34:48):
But you know what else do?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Once The Rock came back, it it did kinda fizzle
out, and it didn't reallyrecover.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
But but I also have something else on that too.
Right? Like, people think thingshave have changed so much. LA
Knight wasn't supposed to getover. LA Knight got over on his
own.
You never get over on your ownagainst the wishes of the
office. So when you do that, oh,they'll let you act like, you
know, you're you're this andthat. They're gonna pull the rug

(35:15):
from you, man. And And thatcould be what happened there as
well. Because let's be honest,the US championship doesn't mean
nothing.
It it means absolutely nothing.It's just it's just the the a
placeholder. It it meansnothing. And I think I I think
that without suitable opponents,I'm I'm sorry, but Carmelo Hayes
is not on the level yet. Andradeis not on the level either.

(35:37):
I mean, Andrade, he you gottabuild him back up to be in that
level. To have a okay. We'rehaving the best of 7 series to
face. No one cares a crap aboutany of these guys. I'm just
being honest.
I'm not knocking them. It's justthe way they're presented. No
one cares. So if you if you'refacing people that no one cares
about, then it's irrelevant.Bronson Reed, they built this

(35:58):
guy up.
The guy is a monster. Did youguys see the segment on Monday
night with him and Seth Rollins?Mhmm. The guy is a monster. This
guy was doing nothing.
And look at how they have bookedhim. The the second coming of
Bam Bam Bigelow. The secondcoming of King Kong Bundy is
what Bronson Reed is. That'swhat I think.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
You're right. Before we get there, Jeff, what you
got?

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I'm glad you asked. I'm gonna go backstage politics
and say Andrade takes thistitle.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh, what? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
You didn't say backstagepolitics.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I I can't see that one.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Is that no. Wait. He just said

Speaker 3 (36:38):
titties. I said politics.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh, I don't understand. Backstage politics.
I thought you're talking aboutCharlotte Flair. We're good.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Well, I mean, she plays a role in this. I mean,
but

Speaker 2 (36:47):
That's why I swear. I thought you said tits, bro. My
bad.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I like where you're going with this d, but I said
politics, not tits. But Andradeis basically a flare, and
Andrade will get the belt. I

Speaker 1 (37:04):
that's a hard scenario for me. I mean, if it
happens, I won't be mad at iteither.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Saying, and why put this guy on TV? Because to be
fair, he hasn't been that greatsince he came back, and he needs
a voice, and he doesn't have avoice right now.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah. That's the problem. You know?

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Like it's almost like why why go through this best of
7? You know what I mean? Andthat that's

Speaker 2 (37:27):
probably time. TV time.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
What else? You

Speaker 2 (37:30):
gotta have them doing something. Yeah. And and people
have been and and, you know, andthe thing about it is, they have
been trying for many, many yearsnow to to repeat that best of 5
that Booker t and Chris Benoithad in WCW.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
No. You ain't never gonna get that.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You're never gonna top that. Even Booker and Chris
can do it again in WWE. You knowwhat I mean? True. That that's
what's going on.
But I, you know, I don't know.Like like, you know, Jeff
Stockmeyer with Andrade. I thinkthe the the promos is a a major
reason why he's not getting thepush because he and that's like,
come on. This is why we havemanagers. Get him a manager.

(38:06):
There has to be somebody on theroster not doing anything you
could put with him to be hismouthpiece out there to talk. Or
even why not what's that?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
You can't right now because the backlash would be
incredible. But the one personthat that should be doing it
ain't doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, who's the back why would what would be the
backlash?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
It's Zelina Vega. But

Speaker 3 (38:27):
It's not gonna be Zelina.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah. It's not gonna be Zelina. It should be, but it
won't be.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah. I'm not sure why

Speaker 3 (38:34):
She's wanting to focus on her, in ring. So

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah. That's another one. You remember the house?
Damn, man. You just boughtsomething up here.
I remember when Selena Vega,remember when they went to
Puerto Rico and and Puerto Ricohere? And they went down there,
and she was over like crazy, andthey didn't pull the trigger.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
She's over now with

Speaker 2 (38:52):
the junk club.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
And she's over.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
She's over. She but she's just another one.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Lost in the shuffle.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Just just a just a

Speaker 2 (39:00):
body out there to fill up TV time.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yep. But let let's keep it moving, though. We we
mentioned you mentioned BronsonReed. Let's do this one. Rob,
I'll kick this one to you first.
Seth Rollins versus BronsonReed.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah. This is a match where, like, I don't even know
if we're gonna get through theentrances. I think it's gonna be
a very hot start. From the looksof it, it looks like they might
go I mean, I know it's not afalse count anywhere. I don't
think anything like that, but itlooks like they might be
traveling around outside thering a little bit.
They kind of addressed SethRollins, and then they've been

(39:37):
talking a lot about this on overon busted open shameless promo.
But, like, about him kind ofunlocking that I don't wanna say
evil, but, like, that SethRollins of old, the little more
fired up Seth Rollins, the less,you know, the less fashionable,
the less, giggly sing along songtime with Seth kind of thing,

(39:58):
the cackle, all that. Now Ithink we're going back into
that. So is this the match to,solidify that? Is this the match
to kinda bring Seth back to whathe was, or is this kind of a
nice, I wanna say, obstacle, anice milestone for Bronson

(40:18):
Reed's career who they've beenpushing?
I believe he he did lose thelast monster standing match,
right, to Straub, and,technically, he lost. Right? So,
shout out to all a lot of ourguys, up here in the northeast.
All the all the security guardsthat that we're very familiar
with. I wanna shout them out forsure.
Doing a great job taking thosehigh flying big men a lot. So

(40:41):
shout out to everyone, on theindependents who were part of
that. I just think maybe andmaybe I'm way off base on this.
It's all for not if Bronson Reeddoesn't win here. I don't wanna
be like, Seth can take the l,but Seth can take the l.
And I think, this is just a bigpayoff for all of that with

(41:02):
Bronson, especially because helost to Braun. Like I said, it
doesn't hurt Seth. Hopefully,Seth will finally move on to
Centimeters Punk, and we'll seewhat's next, for Boston Reed IC
title shot. We'll see whathappens. I wanna go with Bronson
Reed.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Alright. I like it. Jeff?

Speaker 3 (41:20):
There's no point in building Bronson Reed unless
he's going over in this match.Seth can take the l like Rob
said, And I I really wanna seeSeth move to Centimeters Punk
and, honestly, move up the card,get himself a singles title, and
let that dude just be a fuckingmonster lady he is.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Okay. I'm I'm gonna copy and paste here. I I think
it's off or not if he loses thismatch. Yep. Re remembering that
he got he got where he is bydestroying Seth Rollins.
That's that's how we're here. Soif he can't beat Seth Rollins in

(42:02):
the match, but he destroys himelsewhere, it kinda kills it for
me. And I think it kinda killshis run-in the process. Right?
So I need him to win this match.
I'm gonna pick him to win thismatch. I think we do get that
Seth that is gonna is gonna goback to the ways of old, but I

(42:23):
think he needs to lose to seethat he really needs to tap into
it. Because, yeah, we'restarting to get that part of him
again. I think he needs this lto take it seriously. He can
take the l and come out on theother end of it stronger.
If we get a a banger of a matchto where he loses and it makes

(42:44):
him look at himself, I'm I'msatisfied with that outcome,
honestly. And, yes, move on toCentimeters Punk because him
coming out of this match,unlocking that Seth Rollins and
walking right into a CentimetersPunk, take my money, man. Just
go ahead go ahead and take mymoney. And you can build up

(43:06):
Bronson Reed. He's he's got thatbig win under his belt.
He marches right in. He doesn'teven have to be Goonther on the
first try. Just give me enoughto where there's a guy that's
breathing down Gunther's neck.Right? Someone that he has to
take as serious as himselfagainst someone else.

(43:27):
You know what I'm saying? Sogive me a threat to Gunther,
who's gonna be in this matchwith Cody. I like what he's done
with Cody. I like the promosthat he's done with Cody. And if
we get something to where himand a Bronson Reed are are up
against each other, again, takemy money.

(43:48):
I'm willing I'm willing to seethat. I'm willing to pay
attention. I'm willing to beinvested in it. Even if you
don't go Gunther, him versusDrew is another is another
option because you got Drewthere who just came out of the
Centimeters Punk thing. And ifBronson's looking to make his
name, make make sure you knowhow tough he is.

(44:10):
There's another guy who's beenin the battle with another top
guy and seeing punk. You couldput them together. You can make
magic there too. So there'soptions there's options for
Bronson Reed coming out of thiswith a win more so than there
are with him losing. Him losing,it kills his credibility, and I
I don't wanna see that.
Yeah. I

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I yeah. I totally agree with you here. There's
just him the the story of himbeating Seth Rollins would mean
a whole lot more than him takingthe l. And I do believe that we
might be seeing the first of 2matches between your 2. I
actually if it was me, okay, Iwould actually book these 2 as

(44:50):
survivor series in an ambulancematch.
I would do that, Because Sethhas something to prove. Okay? I
I think that he should I mean,it it it in a re in a way to to
to do this I mean, you couldbeat Seth Rollins clean. Okay?
You know?
But I'm not sure if they wannado that. Yeah. If you don't do

(45:13):
it that way, the only way to toto do this match would be ref
stoppage. That's not a way youcould do it. Well, Brian Reed
beat him, but didn't really beathim because the referee stopped
the match.
The and, basically, just justshows the the brutality of.
Like, the guy just went crazyand destroyed Rollins. And then

(45:34):
come back, basically, and say,okay. You know what? This can't
continue between you and me.
It they can either do you youcould do an MUNS match. You
could do an IQUENT match. Youcould do whatever. But the the
main goal here is to put Rossand Reid over as a top
contender. And what it's it wasme.
It was me. What I would do is ifRoss and Reed beats Seth at

(45:57):
Crown Jewel, immediatelyafterwards, I would have Ross
and Reed go after Cody. That'swhat I would do. And and and
just start something there. Comeout there and just destroy Cody
Rhodes.
Because what he does is is yougive Cody, even though they
don't do 2 different shows, yougive Cody a fresh opponent that
he can rock with until the RoyalRumble. Seeing this out, the

(46:19):
Royal Rumble was now inFebruary. We got some time for
him to do some other things. Youknow what I mean? But my gut
tells me that with you know,we'll get there.
But my gut tells me with Cody,they're gonna go Randy Orton
somehow. I think we're thatthey're gonna start that. We'll
get there, though. But Yeah.Bronson Reed to to Bronson Reed
to be Seth Rollins.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay. I like I like that. And I like the I like the
setup for the segue. Thank you.Because the next

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
The next match on the card is Randy Orton versus Kevin
Owens. And you you kinda hintedtowards you think it's gonna be
pushed in the direction of Cody?I I do think we're gonna go that
route. And I think this match isgonna lead there.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah. And the and the thing about it too is, like, I I
just so I saw a video someoneposted. I don't know where it
was at, though. I think it mighthave been Facebook. Someone
posted a video of, back in theday, the legacy in the ring, and
it was some kind of swerve theydid with Dusty Rhodes.
And Randy, you know, was infront of Dusty and, like, you
know, hugged him or whatever.And then he r k ed him. And it

(47:22):
was that it made me think aboutjust how sadistic a character
heel Randy Orton was in 2010with the bald head.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Just maniacal. Just that's the Randy Orton that I
wanna see. But I don't think atthis point in his career, Randy
can do that anymore. Becauseonce again, you get to the point
where you just don't wanna boostsomebody. It's just it's hard
for that person to be a heel.
Randy is just damn over. Andthat's just and and that's the

(47:52):
problem when somebody is thatover, it just shows, like, you
haven't created any new heelsbecause this guy is he's not
over. You can't turn him. Youcan do a Kevin Owens. But then
Kevin Owens, like, the way I'mlooking at Kevin Owens, Kevin
Owens is he's kinda he's kindajustified.
Like, I don't trust Cody Rhodes.You know? He's, he's unhinged.

(48:16):
So I don't know. Who you got?
I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna it'sgonna be a d huber. I I can't I
can't see them. You it

Speaker 3 (48:28):
this match doesn't serve a purpose. You can't,

Speaker 2 (48:32):
no. You can't do this. Because if you if if
somebody listen. Somebody'sgotta lose. Right?
But they're both worldchampions. So that's the
problem. Now what's the what'sthe alternative? K. The
alternative is this.
The alternative is Goldberg.Goldberg interfering in.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Are you talking about no. I'm talking about who who's
winning out of Kevin Owens andand Randy Orr.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Kevin Owens with Cody.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Oh, it's it's oh, wait. Wait. Kevin Owens versus
Randy Orr? That's the match?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah. Yeah. I did not know that. My bad. Went up on.
I did

Speaker 3 (49:02):
not know that. That's how I that's how

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I don't I don't keep up with the shit. Okay. So Kevin
Owens Randy Org. I saw thesegment on SmackDown Triple H.
That was interesting.
That was very interestingsegment with, in the back, the
screen. Mhmm. See if it'll comeup with his music and all that.
Like, who but but okay. Who toldhim to cue the music?
Come on. Music starts okay. Whenthe music starts, come come out

(49:25):
their trips. That's hard one,dude. You just pushed you just
turned Kevin on his heel, butsomebody's gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yep. Damn.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What did triple say? He says you you're you basically
better watch your back. Okay?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
At all times.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Destroy. God. I don't want I don't wanna say I'm not a
Kevin Owens fan, dude. I'm not.But I gotta say Kevin Owens.
Kevin Owens has to destroy RandyOrton. He he's he has to. He he
cannot lose. Like, if you'retrying to push Kevin Owens to
Cody, okay, most likely probablysurvivor series. Right?
Most likely. He's gotta be RandyOrton.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
He has to.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
He has to.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
He has to.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Can't he he can't lose as early on this in this
new character he's on.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Okay. I also will say Kevin Owens wins this match. And
they planted a very interestingseed on SmackDown. When when
Trips came out there and he toldhe told Randy Orton, he said,

(50:37):
I've never seen this side

Speaker 2 (50:41):
of before.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
And he said, because he trusted you and Cody, and he
feels like you both let himdown. And he said, normally, he
do he does this for money, andyou can understand his motive.
You can understand why he didsome of the things he did

(51:03):
because at the end of the day,it was all to feed his family.
This is the first time thatwe've seen something personally
affect him enough that he ispissed off legitimately, and he
wants to hurt somebody becausehe feels like they let him down.
And if you play the wholeentirety of why Kevin Owens is

(51:26):
mad, they've alluded to this onbusted open too.
Kevin Owens has been one of thebiggest fighters against the
bloodline. Since since theirformation, one of their biggest
antagonists has been KevinOwens. So the fact that he feels

(51:48):
like Cody Rhodes has let himdown and Randy Orton has let him
down. And remember, Kevin Owensis fighting the bloodline. Never
stop.
The one thing that may drive himover the edge is if Sami Zayn
rejoins the bloodline. And thenyou have that old rivalry

(52:08):
resparked. But the fact that hedoesn't trust Cody and the fact
that he turned on Cody, and hehasn't really given us a reason
yet, there's something to payattention to, especially as we
get towards survivor series.Because this match that Cody's
in is a cover, ladies andgentlemen. But the seed was

(52:30):
planted to where a devastatingtree is about to grow.
So it's worth keeping your eyeson. But for this match, I do
think Kevin Owens goes berserk,and I do think he he beats the
crap out of Randy Orton. So,Jeff, what do you got?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Y'all both have very interesting points, and I think
Kevin Owens is going to beat theliving shit out of Randy Orton.
And I think coming out of that,we're gonna get a Randy Orton
hill because he needs a hillturn. We we need that legend

(53:15):
killer Randy that's puntingdudes' heads. We need that dude.
He's gonna get cheered.
They're gonna sing a song. Not abig deal, but we need him to be
a heel. Now my question is this.What did KOC Cody doing that
drove him to jump him in theparking lot? Because he alluded

(53:38):
that he had y'all he said y'alldon't know Cody.
Or he said something along thoselines in that interview that he
did in the, the hotel room thathe was in. He had lose that he
seen something. So what was it?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
We still don't know what they talked about in that
parking lot.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Exactly. So but, yeah, we're gonna it's gonna be
a hell of a match. So those 2are gonna beat the shit out of
each other. But KO ultimatelytaste the taste the w on this
one.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Maybe he saw maybe he saw Cody talking to a certain
wise man.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Yeah. This I love the plot thickens. The plot thickens
with this, and I love it.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Hold on. Hold on. Who else was there that night?

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Roman was there, of course.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
The Rock. The Rock

Speaker 1 (54:30):
was there that night.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'm just saying. He could've saw the interaction.
Hey, man. Why are you talking toThe Rock? Something as simple as
that.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
We know there's camera footage out there, and
I'm waiting for that camerafootage to drop. And I got a
feeling they're gonna letsomebody like KO drop that
footage himself on his socialmedia before it goes viral on
WWE social media. You know whatI'm saying?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Or he can he can just politely walk out and tell them
to roll the footage.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah. I mean, I don't see him doing politely, but yes.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Roll the footage that won't get played. Just like how
they'll turn his mic off.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Yep. Yep.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
So it looks like, you know, I'll let Rob get his point
in it, but it looks like aconspiracy here.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
It does. It it does.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Yep. It's no coincidence the the night The
Rock was there. Kevin Owens justbeats the crap out of Cody for
no reason in the parking lot.Yep. Yeah.
But I digress. Rob, what yougot?

Speaker 4 (55:55):
No. Well, these got me thinking that. I like that
word conspiracy for this becauseif you think about it shutting
off the mic, censoring him, he'sso frustrated, and he's just
trying to talk to us. Like,that's actually really
interesting point right there.Just I I didn't think of it from
that point of view necessarilyeven though it's right in front
of us.
That's interesting because, likeJeffrey said, like, what is it

(56:15):
that and and that's the fun ofit, and they're being very
delicate with this as theyshould, especially with Randy.
If Randy is gonna fight Cody atsome point, that needs to be
special. That needs to bebetween the 2 of them. That
needs the time and care. Youknow, we can't just have Randy
turn heel, which is as we allknow it's coming, but it's still
gonna be devastating becausehe's having so much fun with the

(56:38):
kids.
He's signing autographs on air.He's cracking jokes. He's
singing his song. Cody's musicis playing. Cody's rocker ring.
He's he's mouthing the words.He's rocking out to Cody's song.
Like, he's he's living his bestlife. He's enjoying it. He's
been taking a lot of l's thoughtoo.
So this is a very hard one topick. Again, I I need more, man,
and and they're trying things.They are trying things with the

(57:01):
with the fan footage and thehotel video and, you you know, I
I see even stuff, you know,obviously, we see with the
camera angles. I I I saw a fewthings, at stand and deliver. In
Philly, they were trying somethings, with the cameras and
things like that.
So it it's really like, hey.Let's see what sticks the wall
here. This is very, veryinteresting, and I think we're
gonna get some more outside thebox, storytelling. And and I'm

(57:25):
into it. I think I'm into it.
So I need to know more. I needto know the motivation. I think,
you guys said it. They're gonnabe rooting for Randy the whole
time. Randy is gonna break atsome point.
He showed a little bit offrustration as he should. You
know, we're not used to seeingpeacemaker Randy Orton. We're
not used to seeing, like,rational Randy Orton. So this is

(57:48):
very, very interesting. But,again, that when he is fighting
Cody, that needs to be somethingspecial, and they they need to
pay, not tribute, but payattention to the history that
they have.
And I think KO needs to be outof that situation. I'm gonna
agree with Kelvin in the factthat he says KO's gonna go
berserk already. K KO's maybe alittle bit of a loose cannon.

(58:10):
He's but he's almost, like,fragile in the fact, like, hey.
I can't talk.
No one's listening to me. Like,listen to me. Listen to me. I
have something to say. He couldcome say something.
We could be like, you're right.I I heard Kevin Owens has been
listening to BCP and nogimmicks, and he's been
listening to the Kelvin. Andhe's hearing all this stuff
about Cody, and now KO isgetting all paranoid because all
the stuff Kelvin's been saying.So who knows what's going on

(58:32):
there? But I'll agree that KO'sgonna go berserk.
But for that reason, RandyOrton's wins by DQ because KO
will get himself disqualified.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Or they could totally be listening to me and be
changing stuff because of whatI'm saying. Probably. I I felt
like the last couple of shows.They they've done stuff to spite
me just because I was

Speaker 4 (58:52):
It was good stuff. It was good stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
But, next match on the card, man. Jeff, what you
went. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Next match on the card. Let's let's skip for a
minute because I want this oneto be the big one. But, Nia Jax
versus Liv Morgan, championversus champion for the crown
jewel. Let's go to you, Jeff.What you got?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
It's tiffy time. Oh. I see a cash in, and I think
it's on Nia Jatz After Nyashunned her over the last couple
of weeks, Tiffany Tiffy's aboutto clock in on Nya Jatz after
Liv Morgan beats her due towhat's her name, Raquel

(59:46):
Rodriguez or is that her name?Yeah. Sorry.
She just came back, and I'mhaving a hard time remembering
her name.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
That's not good.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Yeah. Well, I think it's Braun Strowman's fiancee to
be fair. Is she really? I thinkso. But I'm not a 100% positive
on that.
But, yeah, Liv Morgan will getthe get the w in the big shiny
ladies crown jewel belt. Tiffytime happens and yeah. Maybe

(01:00:20):
Tiffy strikes a deal with Livand Raquel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
She has been on her off for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Yep. And Naya's been pushing that tiffy button,
shunning her and putting herdown. And

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Frank,
what you got?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I mean, if you if you do a cash in on Nia Jax, then
that would make Tiffany Strattona defacto baby face. So are they
going to pull the trigger on herbeing a baby face and feed it
with Nia Jax? That's gonna bethe question. So there's just

(01:01:12):
there there I mean, there'sreally nothing to dispute
between Liv Morgan and and Naya.There's, you know, okay.
We're just gonna put 2 championstogether and, you know, heel
versus heel. Once again,somebody has to lose. So and
this the promise that you have Imean, yeah, you got Tiffany

(01:01:32):
Stratton going with Naya Jacksonright now, but Liv Morgan is
actually in a a a feud right nowwith with Rhea Ripley. So

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I'm looking like which one's which one's more
important. Not to say that Nayaand, Tiffany are are not
important, but Rhea in the thestory with her and and and Liv
Morgan is is top priority forthe female division right now.
So in saying that, I could seeLiv Morgan defeating Nya and

(01:02:03):
Jacks for with due to a screw upfrom Tiffany Stratton. That's
what I think. I think somehowshe's gonna accidentally cost
Nia the championship.
In that point, I think Nia'sgonna snap on her. That's what I
think will happen. So then youcan turn Tiffany Shredding a
baby face, or you can just haveher get laid out and Tiffany

(01:02:26):
cashing on her, and then youturn Tiffany a baby face and
have her a few with Naya goinginto survivor service.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I I like that idea. I'm gonna come back to that one.
Rob, what you got?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
I'm gonna double down. Again, I'm stealing
everyone's homework, but I'mgonna take everything you guys
said because this is kinda hard.You know, there's not a lot
there between Liv and Anaya.Like, in terms of interactions,
it's been a tiny bit, but weknow why they're fighting, what
they're fighting for. I do thinkit's tiffy time.
I hate to be like, oh, it's thecash in, but that's what I see

(01:02:58):
from this match. How it goesdown, I'll double down
everything you guys said. I'llsay judgment day interference.
I'll say Raquel interference.There's gonna be a point where
the ref's out or maybe Nia isoutside the ring, and and, you
know, Raquel just kinda gets inher face and you have that
kinda, like, that standoff rightthere and just, like, you know,
like, let's go.
You know? Nothing happens, butthen later in the match, it

(01:03:20):
happens. So we got judgment dayinterference. We got Raquel
interference, and I'm gonna saywhat what Dee said. Tiffany
Stratton inadvertently, youknow, interferes and and
distracts or, doesn't help Naya.
Because on paper, you think Nayawould dominate. Let no
disrespect to Liv Morgan, justin terms of on paper and things

(01:03:41):
like that. And and we talk aboutit, Kelvin, all the time. Naya
has doing just amazing work,amazing work as of late. But
this is the story that can betold here.
For all those reasons, I do seeNaya losing. Naya could win too,
though. Oh, man. I think Naya'slosing. I don't know if she's
gonna lose the the the Saudititle too.

(01:04:02):
I don't know how that works withthe cash in. I think you can
only cash in for the one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Oh, man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
I'm gonna go Naya to lose, and then Naya to lose her
championship because I justchecked the clock in this tiffy
time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Strong. Guy. Strong. I am going to sorta copy and
paste. I I do think it's tiffytime.
I do think I think Naya winsthis match. But in the course of
in the course of that, Tiffy istrying to help her and screws

(01:04:42):
up. She still wins, butsomething happens after the
match to where Tiffy doesactually cash in. So I could I
could see that scenario. And toDee's point to Frank Dee's
point, there there could bethere could be her becoming the

(01:05:04):
the facto baby face because theyhave sorta had Naya kinda
breathing down her neck a littlebit.
Like, don't cross me. Don't playwith me. And that's been the
theme for for a hot second.Like, listen. You wanna make me
happy.
You know you wanna make me happybecause you know what I'm like

(01:05:26):
when I'm angry. And Tiffy isjust biding her time and waiting
for the right time to make hermove. Even though she knows the
consequences, she's stillwilling to do that because the
championship means that much toher. So I can't see a scenario
where she does it, and then Nayais the one breathing down her
neck as a result of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
And there and there and the I mean, Naya has just
been intimidating her

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
since,

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
you know, jump street. And on top of that, just
looking at the roster right now,especially on the SmackDown
side, they don't really have atop female babyface at the
moment because

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Bayley has been

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
just turned Bayley.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Well, Bayley's been a babyface.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Well, yeah, but it it's just it's been recent. So
but she is the top baby faceright now on SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah. But You need more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
You you need more. You just you know?

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
So that's

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
why I'm that's that's why I'm saying, like, a Tiffany
Stratton with she can go thatshe can go that way. Like, you
know, she's a hot chick and and,you know, she's over. So why not
pull the trigger? It just itjust makes more it I mean, it
really I mean, because she canbe that, you know, underdog baby
face, but, you know, she happensshe happens to be gorgeous at

(01:06:36):
the same time. You know what Imean?
So you go that go that route. SoI I you know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Kelvin, may I jump in real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Go ahead, man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Just something I'm thinking, and forgive me if I'm
being naive. I'm just thinkingback. Has there ever been a
women's title change in Saudi?Has there ever been a women's
cash in in Saudi? Because Iremember, you know, there were
no women's matches, and there Ithink there the first ever with
Natalya, and I I wanna say LaceyEvans.
I'm trying to remember. Now wehave, 8 women in the tag match,

(01:07:06):
which is which is, you know,very, very game changing as
well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Balanced card.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just wondering if a women's
title's ever I don't remember ifwomen's titles ever changed over
there, if there's ever been acash in over there. Just just
things I'm thinking about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I don't think there has.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I I was thinking about that, and I was like, in
my head, I was thinking, did EOSky cash in at at Crown Jewel?
But I don't think she did. Idon't I know she cashed in at a
weird event. I don't think itwas Crown Jewel.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
I'm on it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I was thinking the same thing. I was like, I don't
remember a cash in everhappening at Crown Jewel. So
that was the same.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
At, SummerSlam.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
SummerSlam? Okay. But then, yeah, there there hasn't
been. I don't think there'sYeah. SummerSlam.
Definitely not been a titlechange.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
So, yeah, that that could be a historic play. All
the more reason why it makessense happening. So good good
stuff, man. Good stuff. Let'smove on.
Let's let's throw this one inhere now. Cody Rose versus

(01:08:21):
Gunther. Champion versuschampion. And I'll start this
one off. I'll start this oneoff.
Gunther, to me, is a very, veryinteresting person as far as far
as championships go. We've seenthem hold the intercontinental

(01:08:45):
championship. That championshipnow has merit to it. We're
seeing what he's doing with theworld heavyweight championship,
the WWE World HeavyweightChampionship. It has merit.
It it's meaning something.However, with this crown jewel,
I think Gunther has a chance tocement himself as one of the, if

(01:09:10):
not the top guy with a win overCody Rhodes at this. That being
said, Cody Rhodes, since he'sreturned to WWE, has a 97% win
Win percentage. It's at 97%. Theman rarely loses.
It's gonna be incredibly hard tobeat him at Crown Jewel. I do

(01:09:34):
think he gets the job done. Iwanted this match since Royal
Rumble of last year. I do thinkit's gonna be an excellent match
based off what I've seen then. Ido think Cody gets it done, but
I do absolutely think thatGunther walks out of this match

(01:09:55):
with more under his belt thanwhat he walked into it.
He he's not gonna lose hischampionship. He's just gonna
not get the crown jewel, whichin a grand scheme of things,
it's okay. But showcasing whatyou are and what you are against

(01:10:15):
Cody Rhodes, who is the top guyright now in WWE, I think this
is gonna put him on a whole newpedestal. It's gonna put him in
a whole new league. And I am, Iam I am ready to see this match,
honestly.
So with that, I'll kick it toyou, Rob. What you got?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Yeah. Very, very interesting. This is almost my
lock of the night. I'm feelingpretty confident. I'm not gonna
say it, though, that it's a lockof the night, but I think it
just has to be Gunther for somany reasons to win this this
championship.
I think I mean, no question.It's due to some sort of
interference, man. You have 2 ofyour top champions. You never

(01:10:59):
even though we talk about it,they talk about it on busted
open. You never wanna have that1 a, 1 b.
Like, you you never want to sayit. You know what I mean? Who
who's better? And I think Cody

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
first of

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
all, that that big old championship, like, that's
just gonna go great with withwhat, Gunther's carrying
already, that world heavyweightchampionship, hashtag wrestling
fashion. But, also, I think justCody has a lot on his plate. He
has a lot going on. Stuff withKO, we already know about.
Orton's kinda like thepeacemaker or or quad in

(01:11:36):
between, I should say, even.
That's a factor. Kelvin, wealways talk about Cody's ties to
what's going on with thebloodline. There's a lot of
moving parts here, whereasGunther is handling business.
Who got in his face? DamienPriest not too long ago got in
his face.
Like, hey. I'm not gonna startany trouble. I just wanna tell
you when when it's time, I'mgonna take back what's mine or

(01:11:56):
whatever. And Gunther's justkinda like, alright, and walks
away. You know, like, thecomplete no sell, which I love.
You know? And he's doing histhing. His promos have just
gotten so good. You know, he wastold to lose a ton of weight and
get shape. Okay.
Like, dark like, he's just it'sjust he's incredible, and he
puts on great matches. Like,what is his finisher? All of the

(01:12:17):
finishers. Like, he's so good,and I think this is actually
gonna be a great match. I almostwish, like, this was for, like,
a WWE regular title at somepoint.
I I just you have one of thebiggest bad guys right now and
one of the biggest baby facesfacing each other right now.
Yes. Cody on paper is a babyface, Kelvin. But I think it's I

(01:12:41):
think it's just gonna be areally good match, and I'm gonna
be so disappointed. Like, I'mgonna be like, oh, this could be
a match of the year.
Oh, this is a really good match.Oh, I like what they're doing
here. Oh, they're telling thestory. And then there's gonna be
a smash finish. I'm like, ah, Ihate just when the matches are
so good and it has a funnyending that always infuriates
me, but we're telling a storyhere.
I hate to admit it, but it's aperfect place for a smash
finish. Gunther's gonna win heredue to some sort of

(01:13:03):
interference. We also haveLudwig Kizer. You know? But
Gunther could seem to handlebusiness by himself, but I think
Guenther wins this one here.
I'm gonna say I'm 90% on that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
90%. That's that's high, bro. Jeff, what you got?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
The only way Cody loses this is through outside
interference either from theBloodline, Ludwig, KO, maybe
even Randy Orton, but they'renot gonna let their money making
baby face not win this unlessit's shenanigans. That's what I

(01:13:39):
got.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
I agree with that. I agree with that. Frank d, what
you got?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
So I'm going to pick the only obvious finish, and
that's gonna be outsideinterference. You can't have
Cody lose, and you can't haveGunther lose. Somebody has to
lose. So I'm pickinginterference from both KO, but
I'm also picking the unexpectedinterference from the bloodline.

(01:14:11):
Now the reason why I am pickingthis is because I believe, as
survivor series, the bloodlineis gonna team with Kevin Owens
to take on The Usos, RomanReigns, and Sami Zayn.
That's what I think we're gonnasee. So

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
That's a bold move.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
I think that's where they're going. But I also think
we're gonna see Goldberg. Goddamn. What the I I I I think I
think they're gonna giveGoldberg because he wants to
have one final match. Right?
Okay. I think if if, you know,if he's there to just put
Gunther over, I think it'll dogood for Gunther. He can say I'd
be Goldberg at survivor series.Because I think they're gonna

(01:14:58):
try to be a survivor series.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Be acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah. I I think and and and Gunther is a guy who can
pull this off. He can he canmake this happen with Goldberg.
I mean, they already teased thatbad blood. I mean, that people
thought that Goldberg didn'thave any juice left or
something.
You were you were provenincorrect at bad blood because

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
there's something there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
There's something there. So I'm going I'm I'm
gonna go with that, man. I I seea bunch of of BS happening for
this finish. That's what I see.Because I I just I I just I
can't see going through losing.
I can't see Cody losing. Theygot too many cast there to
interfere. This is all leadingtowards the series anyways. I

(01:15:40):
don't know why they booked this.It's like, you know, that whole
saying back in, who booked thiscrap?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Because they got a contract that was with this man
to make, god, I think they madea $1,000,000,000 off this

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Oh, I know. I I know. I know. No. I know why they're
doing it.
I just don't understand why theywould do it. Like, why would you
you could you could you couldhave this show. No one's
disputing that part, but why putboth champions in there?
Especially when, you know, has areputation of, like, not getting
beaten. You know?
Cody is is is a strong champion,but not been too impressed

(01:16:12):
honestly with his run, if I haveto be honest about it. But it's
this is just this is aplaceholder event to tell the
story. So I see Goldberg. I I Ihonestly see Goldberg, and I see
Kevin Owens getting involved inthis. I honestly do.
And I see the bloodlineinterfering here because, yeah,

(01:16:36):
you you you you put you put Codyon that team. Cody, Samu Zayn,
Roman, versus the bloodline. Youknow? So but Kevin Owens at it,
which is the that'd be a that'dbe a different kind of a wrinkle
here. What Kev if Kevin Owensaligns with the bloodline.
That's an interesting story herebecause it's the exact reverse.
And then you can do that SamuZayn and KO for you, but now

(01:16:58):
it's like opposing sides here.Because they'll because sorry to
be why are you with thebloodline Kevin Owens? You've
been fighting them the wholetime. Why you would whoop.
You can't beat him, Jordan. Andyou seem to be the one that
trust Cody Rhodes. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
10 out of 10, I don't like the idea of Goldberg
showing up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Oh, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Fuck. I hate it. Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
But it but but I don't I don't like it either,
but here's the thing. Theypromised Goldberg a retirement
match, and I think triple hwants to honor that. He he
that's why he was at bad blood.I mean, Goldberg had done a
bunch of interviews where he wasknocking kinda knocking WWE for
a little while. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Just last month. You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Yeah. Actually, so now

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
it's like this month.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
No. Bring him on here. I I think that I think the
only person, honestly, thatwould be mad other than you and
Jeff would probably be, BrettHart. So

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean, he was on. So Brett Hart was on earlier this
month, and Goldberg was on justafter him. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
So wouldn't that be so crazy if you should have if
if Gompert got COVID, it wasBrett Hart.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Jeff, what you got, man?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I already went, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Did you? Yeah. Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
We're on the last match, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yeah. I think we're good. Everyone. Let's let's do
it then. It's the only the onlymatch the only match that that
really out of all of thisbecause it it you're right.
It it's they kinda threw thistogether, and they kinda made it
a little more special with,alright. We'll bring our
champions. Our champions willhave a match, and, you know,

(01:18:37):
we'll make some sort ofstipulation to make this work. I
like that they threw an actualstory on here, honestly, because
it it it does hit. So we gotRoman Reigns and the United Usos
versus the bloodline.
And I'm gonna say something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Do it. I'll

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Did we lose you, Kelvin?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yeah. We lost you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Frank d, what you got?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Oh, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
It it it got choppy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Yeah. My bad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Okay. So I like the story they're telling with the
Usos. Big pop, that was epic.Jimmy and Jay reuniting on
SmackDown. Epic.
Romeo watching in thebackground. Epic storytelling.
Do not like the idea of thismatch. Do not like the idea of
this match. I don't like it.
I think it's I think it's toosoon. I I I I don't like it. I I

(01:19:40):
just no. Because you you knowthe bloodline, they've been
taking some. You know what Imean?
And I think if if if you haveThe Usos in Roman beat them at
crown jewel, why do I need towatch this again in the 1st
survivor series? What what's thepoint of having war games? Well,
you've already proven you couldbeat them. So what's the point

(01:20:02):
of oh, okay. No.
The only saving grace of thissituation here this is just a
prediction. Not saying it'sgonna happen. I think that this
would be the perfect time todebut. And you put in there at
survivor series for thebloodline. You don't you'd even
don't even have to go to KOroute.

(01:20:22):
You put in there. I think the KOthing goes I think the KO
situation is intriguing becausenow I can't even trust Sami Zayn
because you're siding with them.You're no different than Cody
and Randy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
So they could tell that story here. Kevin Owens

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
is now a justified heel. You know? He's not real,
but he's not really heel,though. He said it. I I didn't
wanna do this.
He he made me do it pretty much.Like you know?

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
So it's kinda telling a story here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
And all the stories going on WWE, it always leads
back to the bloodline. That'swhy I'm putting Kevin Owens in
this because I think we're gonnasee some crap in this match. I
think that I I just I don'tknow, dude. I like I said, I
don't I don't like the idea ofthis because somebody once again
has to lose this match. And if Iif I had to pick a team here,

(01:21:16):
I'm I'm picking I'm picking I'mpicking OG bloodline to take it.
They need the win. I mean,they're beginning their ass to
send it to them every singleweek on SmackDown. So they need
the win, but at the same time Imean, damn, dude. That's the
problem with this. Because youyou have to beat one of the
teams here, and, I mean, thebloodline Solo's bloodline has

(01:21:37):
been vicious up into the pointwhen Roman came back.
And then they've just beentaking l after l, but, I mean,
they beat him down, but I don'tknow. I'm I'm gonna go with OG
bloodline after this, but I doexpect to see some kind of
interference to get it to getthere. That's gonna lead us 2
war games.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Fair enough. Fair enough. I I like I like the the
direction here. Jeff, what yougot?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
I think, Roman Reigns and The Usos have taken enough
ass weapons from this newbloodline that they're due for a
dub, especially with the newlyreunited Usos.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Okay. Okay. Interesting. Rob, what you got?

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
I got a lot. So cut cut me off again if you need me
to input.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Go ahead, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:22:35):
I disclaimer. I and I've said this on the show. I I
do not want to see KO, Cody,anyone like that in this war
games match. I know I'm jumpingahead here in survivor series. I
like this bloodline civil war.
You know? The only person who'snot like blood, blood, blood

(01:22:57):
that deserves to be there, oneof one of the MVPs of long term
storytelling, one of the MVPs ofthis whole bloodline storyline,
Sami Zayn, has every right everyright to be in that match. And
it's it's I I I enough said. I Icould go on and on about that.
MVP, he's amazing.
He had that conversation withSolo. Just wanna point out,

(01:23:20):
we're gonna tell this storyslowly, but we also gotta get to
survivor series, at the end ofNovember, I believe it is. So I
agree with Dee in the factthat's like, I don't know if I
like this match. It's a littleit feels a little too soon, but
I get it because I think it's alittle bit like, oh, we're
almost done with October. Like,well, we got 20 something days

(01:23:40):
till survivor series.
We need to do something here.And I like the idea of someone
debuting for the the newbloodline, if you will. Does now
answer this. Does Kelvin, doeswar games have to be 5 on 5? Can
it be 4 on 4?
It has to be 5 on 5.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Traditionally, it's 5 on 5.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
So, then we'll say it's 5 on 5. So someone debuts
here, and then, again, I I wantI don't want it to be Cody on
the other side. I want it to belike, even if it's The Rock. You
know? Like, it has to be someonethat's in the bloodline.
And that to me, again,disclaimer, that includes Sami
Zayn. So we'll see how thesenumbers work out. We'll see

(01:24:19):
who's there, but I don't wantCody involved. Even though it
would make sense because there'sa tie there, I don't want KO
involved. I want this bloodlinecivil war just as as pure as we
possibly can.
So here, for that reason, Idon't think that this team of
the 3 newly reunited, Usos andRoman, which has been great.

(01:24:39):
That hug moment was really,really well executed. The little
backstages and the tension, it'slike where you're, like, friends
with someone, but, like, yourfriend's not friends with them.
And it's, like, that reallyawkward encounter. They they
nailed that perfectly, so Ithought that was great.
But they need to build thisslowly, but you can't be too
slow because war games is comingup. I'm sure they have it all

(01:25:01):
thought out, but I don't seeRoman and the new Usos winning
this. This is technically a 4 on3. I know it's a 3 on 3, a 6 man
tag match, but this istechnically a 4 on 3. The
bloodline the new bloodlinealways has interference.
Someone could debut. They'regonna lose here, and they're
gonna be like, why did we lose?Like, it's us. It's the Usos.
Main Event Jay Usos, Jimmy Usos,and the real OTC tribal chief.

(01:25:25):
Why are we losing here? Becausewe're not complete. We're not
complete. We're not in our finalform. We don't have Sammy, which
I've already touched on, and wedon't have our wise men.
And that's what we need. Andtherefore, I think the new
bloodline is I'm calling themunder Sola Sikoa win this match.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Very, very interesting. Very interesting.
Alright. To bring us home, I amgoing to say one of the 2 things
are gonna happen or one of 3things are gonna happen. One,
Cody is going to establishhimself on the OG bloodline to

(01:26:06):
help them because they do needthat member, and we get a
returning hiculeo.
Maybe something does happen inthe Cody Gunther match. It it
just depends on where thismatches place. If it's the main
event, then foul play as a foot.Something's gonna happen.

(01:26:26):
Something big is gonna happen.
If we if we get them in the mainevent, I do see a jiculeo
debuting. I do see somethinghappening in the Cody Goonter
match to where Cody has to picka side. And I do think he's
gonna pick the OG bloodline, andthat will lead us into survivor

(01:26:49):
series. That'll set us up forsurvivor series. There's still a
lot of unshakiness.
I'm sorry. There's still a lotof shakiness in the in OG
bloodline. Jay is not fully onboard yet. So they have to work
that kink out. Sami Zayn is notfully on board yet.
I don't even think the wise manis gonna be on the OG bloodline

(01:27:12):
side. If we're just gonna bereal with it Wow. I don't think
he's gonna choose them. I thinkhe's gonna choose the new
bloodline because that newbloodline, I don't think it's
even added by Solo Secoa. We'veseen The Rock acknowledge the
tribal chief before, and thebalance of power is ultimately

(01:27:32):
who is gonna be acknowledging.
We've seen them show up and notbe too happy with Roman because
he was with Cody. So I do thinkthis kinda put him at odds with
Roman Reigns, And he's been inthe background negotiating with
the new bloodline, or he's hadthe wise man negotiating with

(01:27:57):
the new bloodline. There's areason we haven't seen those two
particular people. So I do thinkI do think the seas have been
planted to where we'll get a515, and it'll be Roman, The
Usos, Sammy, and Cody on oneside. And on the other side, you

(01:28:20):
probably get the new bloodlinein jiculeo.
And the wise men in Iraq willchoose their size at at survivor
series.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
See, I don't Kevin Owens has to be in this match.
From from a storylineperspective that they're
telling, Kevin Owens has to bein the match, and he has to be
on solo's bloodline team. That'snot how it works. Because
there's 2 he has history therewith everybody on that other
team. He has history with Roman.
He has history with with withCody, and he has history with

(01:28:53):
Sami Zayn, if that's the routethey go with. Because it's not
that's because we just saw, youknow, speculation right now. But
if you bring a jiculeo in forsurvivorship, you gotta debut
jiculeo at crown jewel.Otherwise, I mean, honestly,
they should have debuted jiculeoat bad blood. But jiculeo
jiculeo shoulda already beenhere by now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Yeah. You know? Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
To to to have, already established him. Really,
honestly, you know, Rob Bobearlier about about war games.
In the early days of war games,if I remember correctly, war
games was, 505 with with withDusty created the match, you
know, the horsemen and and theroad warriors. But WCW shortened
to 4 man team, so it was 4 on 4.Because I remember remember 96,

(01:29:40):
it was team team NWO.
It was the NWO team with thefake Singh versus the w w team
with Singh. Yep. Do you guysremember that? So you can go
that route too, but I just thinkit makes more sense for it to be
5 on 5. 5.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
You can you can, you know, you

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
can continue those stories. But you know, I think I
said this last week too about Ithink the wise man is also gonna
side with Solo. For the merefact that what's the reason why?
Okay. Well, you know what?
Roman Reigns, you did notprotect me, number 1. Number 2,
you just disappeared at theWrestleMania. I I had to hold

(01:30:14):
the fort down. I begged you tocome back. You would not come
back.
And then when you did come back,you came back to help Cody
Rhodes. So Yep. I could see themdoing all the twists and turns
here. I I I think, you know,I've seen some people every day

(01:30:34):
say, though, that they think thebloodline's kinda jumped the
shark. They, I don't know.
I just think I I said this lastwe're gonna show, and I'm
sticking to this. The bloodlineis the NWO angle done correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Because this is a re this is basically a re a a a
rehash of the NWO civil war thathappened in WCW between NWO
Hollywood and NWO Wolfpack, andwe never had definitive endings
to that. We just have 2 factionscome together to form the NWO
elite, and that was done byMarch 99. So this story line
here has been going since what?2021? Summertime of 2021?

(01:31:12):
So they're keeping it going, andthere's just I mean, they're
never gonna ride a Samoans. SoHell no. That was you know? So,
I mean, shit. It's like it'slike the it's like the Hart
family.
So Hell,

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
yeah. Alright, guys. Let's let's bring this home.
Shameless plugs. Rob, go aheadand tell the people where they
could they could find you,brother.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
I love shameless plugs. You know that. If you
guys, have time, go on over tobcphyphenplusplus.com. We have a
lot of interviews with the starsof WWE, TNA, NXT, and, of
course, all of our friends uphere in the northeast
independent scene. We love towave that flag.

(01:31:58):
We also have coverage ofmultiple NFL teams. Our Yankees
coverage is game by game. I'mwatching this one closely. It's
it's getting down to the wire.I'm a little nervous, but, we're
doing some great stuff overthere.
Shout out Kelvin who's doingamazing things, with the UFL
last season. Hopefully, thisseason again. He's killing it.

(01:32:19):
I'm just proud of everyone. Soguys, just gonna go on over to
bcphyphenplus.com.
Check us out on YouTube atbcpplus. We got a lot of good
stuff for you. And Kelvin, I'mnot worthy, man. I appreciate
you, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Thanks for coming on, man. Always always a pleasure
working with you, my guy. Jeff.Oh, hey. Jeff, what you got,
brother?
Tell the people where they couldfind you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I got episode 4 of my USDN short series that just
dropped a couple of hours agobefore the show covering new
comic book day for the week of30 October. On top of that, you
can find me almost on everysocial media platform. I'm on
USDN podcast. And so for TikTok,I don't get down with the

(01:33:06):
tickety tock.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Cool, man. Cool, man. Also, thank you for your time.
Thank thank you for coming on. Ihope you guys have fun.
To the fabulous one, bring ushome. What you got, brother?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Well, pretty much nothing, man. Just, hope
everybody out there has a very,safe and happy Halloween. If
it's summery Halloween, I knowthere's people out there that
don't do it, and then, I thinkyou're fucking weird if you
don't. But other than that, man,nothing just, you know, the
whole usual stick, you know,help control the pet population.
Heavy pest, fader, neutered.

(01:33:41):
Small little story. So lastweek, right, someone posted in
the, the the neighborhood ringapp. They saw a Texas
diamondback rattlesnake in themiddle of the street. Sucker was
just sitting there just, youknow, chilling. So, yeah, help
control the pet population.
Have your pets made or neutered.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
It's a weird way to say protect the animals, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
That's the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
That's the most freaky thing ever, though.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah. Well, I'm, you know, listen. I'm I'm down with
the sith. So

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Good stuff, man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
So I gotta say, though. I gotta say, though,
Rob, I'm I'm digging the redranger coming in the back.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
Oh, it's my guy, Jason. The o the OG, man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah. My guy was my guy was Tommy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Tod's. He's my number 2, man. My my buddy always gets
mad because the red ranger comeswith the shield sometimes, and
he's like, no. No. No.
Like, the green ranger has tohave the shield. So

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I got this thing here. Can't really see it all,
though.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
But Oh, awesome. The Funko. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Yeah. Love that. I got the drag I got the dragon
back over here too. So

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
I'm jealous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
That's awesome. I'm jealous of that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah. I'm jealous of it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Alright, you guys. Thank you so much for tuning in
to the no gimmicks here on theDFPN. Thank you guys so much.
Until next time. Take care ofeach other.
Enjoy what you wanna enjoy.Peace. Peace.

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