April 24, 2024 • 42 mins
Embark on a heartfelt exploration of purpose and impact with social entrepreneur Callie Himsl, whose laughter is as infectious as her passion for creating change. We traverse from the Midwest to the far reaches of the globe, discovering the potent blend of personal growth and professional ambition that defines Callie’s journey. Together, we peel back the layers of her story, illuminating the power of community and the role each of us plays in nurturing a more connected world.
Our conversation takes a deep dive into the transformative power of loss and service, revealing how personal tragedy can catalyze a life dedicated to helping others. From building houses in Mexico with YWAM to absorbing life lessons in Kenya and Haiti, Callie shares how these experiences tested her faith and reshaped her outlook. Her insights challenge us to consider the motives and outcomes of mission work, while her tales of love and learning in Haiti offer a candid look at the complexities of cross-cultural engagement.
As we wrap up, the focus shifts to the evolving realms of social entrepreneurship and traditional non-profits. We dissect the implications of businesses like Tom's Shoes integrating charitable actions into their profit models and how personal skills can contribute to societal betterment. Looking to the future, we highlight the growing hunger for meaningful, purpose-driven work, and Callie extends an invitation to connect with her mission at Hark Creative Council, offering a beacon to those yearning to be part of the narrative of social change.
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Heredes (00:10):
hey, welcome.
Ladies and gentlemen, we'vebeen chatting for you know, it
feels like hours already,sharing all the hot tea that I
think if you dm colin um, he'llsend you the hot tea.
Hot takes for the non-profit,rena, I think are we doing that,
Colin?
Collin (00:26):
We'll have to see.
We'll see if I'm getting DMs.
Heredes (00:28):
Colin, I heard you were starting a Patreon on the side
just for the hot tea, hot takes.
Director's cuts of the podcast.
Collin (00:34):
Well, we talked a little bit earlier about how this is a
triple Enneagram, 7 episode.
Callie Himsl (00:40):
Terrible idea Terrible.
So, sorry to everybody.
Collin (00:44):
If I get some DMs, we'll see.
Heredes (00:46):
Yeah, hashtag 21.
Callie Himsl (00:48):
If anybody can follow this conversation, the
spider web of this next 45minutes.
Collin (00:55):
It'll be more of a game.
I think, yeah, it's more of agame for you to try out.
Heredes (01:00):
This is the Enneagram Renaissance.
I mean the nonprofitrenaissance, ladies, and
gentlemen so we welcome youtoday.
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I mean the nonprofitrenaissance.
So we welcome you today.
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Thank you for listening, thankyou for the comments, thanks for
sharing what you think the good, the bad and the ugly.
We appreciate you and thanksfor listening.
(01:23):
Subscribing it's been such ajoy.
Keep recommending the guests,the friends and how we can help
you go further and grow faster.
That's our heart and that's whywe do what we do.
It's been such a fun ride and,colin, we've got a friend here
today.
That's been all over the worldand we've been kind of chatting
it up right now I don't know howmuch because we have hours and
hours.
I blocked out four hours fortoday.
(01:45):
Tell me, colleen.
Callie Himsl (01:46):
Everybody's favorite on a Friday afternoon.
Collin (01:49):
Oh yeah, no, we're ready , we're prepared.
Well, no, I mean, you've heardher already.
You've probably seen her ifyou're watching the video, but
today's guest is someone who'slike we said.
Her journey has taken heraround the globe.
She's a trailblazer in socialentrepreneurship and enterprise
and just has so much expertisein sustainable business models,
(02:10):
branding, marketing, and so wethink there's going to be some
pretty invaluable insights and alot of fun, a lot of laughs
along the way.
So the voice you've beenhearing is Callie Hemsel, so
please welcome her, callie.
It's so good to have you.
Callie Himsl (02:31):
Thank you.
Thank you for inviting me andthank you for being entertaining
on a Friday afternoon.
It's the energy I needed.
Heredes (02:38):
Is that where we are?
Is that where we are, callie?
Really, is that what this is?
Wow?
Outro (02:44):
No, listen we didn't give .
Heredes (02:45):
the top of the bio is wife of one and mother of two.
Is that correct?
Yes, okay, I just want to makesure.
Collin (02:56):
Is that a clarification?
Heredes (02:57):
you usually make.
Collin (02:59):
Well, because I want to make sure.
Heredes (03:02):
Because if we're that entertaining, that doesn't mean
she's just having a break fromher kids and her husband.
Callie Himsl (03:06):
If we're like just screaming in my face, yeah are
you at home right now?
Collin (03:12):
are you at home right now?
I am at home, but my kid.
Callie Himsl (03:15):
I can't, I can't complain too much because my
kids they go to daycare, uh,every day, from basically nine
to five, and it is incrediblyexpensive.
So I will pay a complaint aboutthat, but I get a break sure
child care is wild callie.
Heredes (03:29):
I'm going to start here because you know, in the
recommendations, if there arefriends who've recommended you
like you got to talk to callie,you got to meet callie, you got
to meet cal, I was like, okay,we'll meet callie.
So here we are, uh, fromorlando, minnesota, california,
haiti.
I mean it's, you've dominatedthe west, apparently.
Here we are from Orlando,minnesota, california, haiti.
I mean, you've dominated theWest, apparently.
Tell us who are you and whereare you, and let's start there
(03:52):
for our audience.
Callie Himsl (03:53):
How about that?
That's it.
That's a good question.
You know, back in my 20s I'dprobably say I'm not quite sure
where I am right now, but now,as a mother of two, 40 a wife of
40 in a few months let'sclarify um, I am in orlando, uh,
right now.
(04:13):
So, yeah, I grew up in minnesota.
I grew up in a small town, umcalled avon, um, avon, and the
ironic part about that uh, I'lldigress for a second here is
that, um, I grew up like alwayswanting to travel the world and
get out and do amazing things,and the name of the town is
called avon.
(04:33):
I end up naming my firstdaughter nova, and I go for like
six months.
So then somebody says you know,it's avon's fell backwards and
I was like the very thing I'vebeen running from my whole life.
That's like a whole therapysession.
I think I don't know how thatcame to be.
Outro (04:49):
Yeah, your hometown is so deep in your head.
Callie Himsl (04:54):
How did that happen?
But to any Avon peoplelistening, love you guys.
But yeah, like literally a townof like 1,100 people.
If you started dating somebodyyou had to ask their last name
to make sure you weren't relatedlike everybody.
Everybody knew everybody, butit had great, it has great
family values.
Very, very blue collar, very,like you know, work hard,
(05:16):
integrity and that taught me.
That taught me a lot.
But I did always have this likedesire.
You know, if you're watchingNational Geographic or you know
you see these commercials orwhatever.
It is like I was a kid andyou're just like, oh, there's
this whole world out there likeI need to explore, um.
So I got a degree in graphicdesign, moved to san diego, um,
and then yeah, how, how farnorth in minnesota is avon, are
(05:41):
you like?
up in canada or it's like, soexactly central, so like very
very central yeah yeah, from thetwin cities like an hour and a
half, like west this is just forcollins, geographical, you know
, you know.
Collin (05:56):
Condition yeah, because I I definitely know where the
twin cities are on the map, andI so.
Yeah, this is all making sensebecause I do know that.
Callie Himsl (06:04):
Yeah, there's a land of 10,000 lakes, they call
it, so you just gotta follow the10,000 lakes.
I hear.
Collin (06:10):
There's a few pretty great ones out there, hey, oh
all right, sorry, I apologize.
Callie Himsl (06:14):
I apologize so california california, here we
go.
Heredes (06:22):
How far is it from the Wawa's on Culver's Apple?
Collin (06:28):
Do they have a Bucky's up in Minnesota?
Callie Himsl (06:30):
Which one?
Collin (06:32):
Do they have Bucky's up there?
Callie Himsl (06:33):
You know what they should, because there's a lot
of land, but no, I think that'sstill mainly in the south.
Yeah, not yet.
Heredes (06:40):
If you hear that Bucky's Bucky's Looking for
sponsorships, Either you'regoing to edit all, for either
either you're gonna edit allthese out or you're gonna get
sponsorships from bucky's.
Why was it?
Callie Himsl (06:52):
back to you.
Here we go, okay.
So, uh, yep, here we go.
Um, yes, I, we have somethingcalled casey's, uh, and we have
little dukes, I think I feellike I've heard of casey's
little dukes sounds just.
Collin (07:08):
That's an incredible name for whatever that is.
Little dukes.
Is it like a bucky's or?
Callie Himsl (07:14):
um no, definitely not as impressive, but then
again, nothing's really like abucky's right, that's true
that's true.
Heredes (07:21):
Yeah, that was colin's drummer nickname Little.
Collin (07:26):
Dukes?
Yeah, one Duke, two Dukes,little Dukes.
I promise I'm done and Ipromise we will edit that part.
Heredes (07:32):
Go ahead, no we will not.
No, we will not.
Callie Himsl (07:34):
No, keep it in.
We need more sponsors.
Yes, went out to California,worked in corporate and worked
as a designer there, um and um,I became a Christian uh at that
time.
Um, I I'll bring bring theconversation down a little bit,
but, um, I let me let me thinkhere.
(07:56):
So I moved there 2004, maybe2004,.
2005,.
Um, and then worked incorporate, um and became a
Christian uh around 2010.
Um, and a lot of the reason forthat was that, um, my brother uh
had passed away.
So he was my only sibling Um,and he uh passed away very
(08:20):
suddenly and kind of like afreak work accident, um as a
mechanic.
So that happened and um, youknow, people always say, you
know, I was 25 at the time,right, like you, you like barely
comprehending life, you know ingeneral, um, and so that
happened and it really.
People always say life is shortand you know all of those kinds
of cliches.
But when you you reallyexperience it and you face it,
(08:41):
you begin to have what mostpeople would have in like their
you know, midlife crisis of like, okay, like, but I was 25 and I
was like, faced with all ofthis, like realism, um, and I
began to think like, okay.
One, like is God real?
And if he is, like this isgoing to happen to me someday,
Like I want to know you knowwhat's next?
(09:01):
Um.
And then two like what is thispurpose?
Like what's the purpose of life, what's my purpose, and really
all that existential crisisgoing through all of that, um,
you know, it's, uh, I was justhaving this conversation, um,
recently, cause I feel like inyour twenties, a lot of times is
right, it's like kind of yourexperimental era.
You're like getting kind ofcrazy.
(09:21):
Some people choose to you, youknow, to partake in certain
activities.
Um, you know, and like begin to, you know, search out who you
are and try to find yourself.
But for me, you know, I haddone a lot of partying, whatever
, but the, but it was like Ididn't need, I no longer needed
to like that, that outlet to gofind myself.
It was more just like, oh, thisis really real, like let me,
(09:44):
let me figure this out.
And so, um, yeah, so I became achristian.
And then, just like any goodchristian, you start to do
missions, uh, which is likereally kind of wild number two
step number two go save theworld.
um, and then step number three,you realize there is no saving
the world.
That's not like a real thing.
(10:05):
Interesting what?
Outro (10:09):
What.
Callie Himsl (10:12):
But I went to.
I started working with YWAMYouth with a Mission Like mind
you, me too, me too, you did,yeah, yeah.
Heredes (10:21):
So I went to Mexico a lot, oh nice Nice.
Callie Himsl (10:25):
I never did like the full classes.
They were just like you're aChristian here, go build houses
in Mexico.
And I was like, yeah, this isamazing.
Heredes (10:33):
My family went in deep.
Like I was born in Brazil,raised there, but it's called
Jocum Jovem School, uma Missão,ywam.
It's the same thing, sameAmerican organization and same
thing same American organization.
And are they American, us ormaybe I don't know I'm assuming
so.
I don't know, but as a matterof fact, my sister is still and
has done work with them as ofrecent.
So shout out to YWAM.
(10:54):
Sponsored by YWAM, Call us up.
Callie Himsl (10:58):
They'd probably be us to sponsor Usually they're
like making a ton of money yeah.
Heredes (11:04):
That's what I meant.
That's what I meant.
Colin, have have ai fix thatfor us, please.
Thank you, totally sorry.
No, no, you're great exactlythat's so interesting.
Callie Himsl (11:15):
yeah, I, there's so massive, a lot of people have
interaction with them.
But, um, I, I, um.
So I was going to mexicobuilding houses, still working
my corporate job, and then, um,again like any good Christian,
where's, where's, like themissionary, like capital of the
world, africa, right?
So you're like, oh, I must goto Africa.
This place is incredible.
So went to Africa, I went toKenya, um, and it really was
(11:40):
incredible, um, as a culture.
Collin (11:43):
Up until this point it was a lot of like short-term
missions, what probably one week, two week type stuff.
And then africa did africastart as that sort of thing?
Or yeah, you were.
Callie Himsl (11:53):
You were just like I'm all in, I live here now
well, I think, I think I think Iwould have if, if I was given
the option and I'm glad I wasn'tgiven that option and yet again
, like I'm like, you know, likesix months into being a
Christian, you know, don't speakany other language like have a
degree in graphic design, likeit was pretty wild, but it was
(12:18):
very eye opening and I think alot of people have a similar
experience.
Short term missions we can getinto that as well later in the
conversation but the, you know,the idea is not necessarily that
they're the best or that we'vebeen doing them the best for
hundreds of years, but they doopen a lot of doors for people
to experience different things.
And then a lot of times, youkind of have again that like
(12:38):
existential crisis where youbegin to think like whoa, the
world is so different, um, andlook at things through a
different lens.
Yeah, so, um.
So I did two weeks there.
Um came back and that's when I,you know, was in my corporate
jobs, like in my cubicle, likeah, I can't do this anymore,
like I'm like going nuts, and soI began um like calling,
(13:01):
interviewing with differentorganizations, and I had had um
called some people I had, uh,worked with in the past and they
said we're going to haiti,would you like to go to haiti?
And this is so embarrassing,but I'll admit it for everybody
to laugh at me is I literallythought haiti was in africa and
I was like africa, yeah, I'vebeen there, let's go.
We're going back.
We're going back soembarrassing, uh I was.
Collin (13:25):
That was.
That must have been a shock.
You know, you get there andyou're like wait a minute.
Callie Himsl (13:29):
Similar it's pretty similar there's no
elephants?
There's no, yeah sure wow, I'mjust right by florida.
I didn't know that.
Um so so, yeah, so that thatwas pretty crazy Cause I did.
I said, okay, like, do you wantto go to Haiti?
I said, yes, let's go.
I went, I came back and then Isaid that's it, I'm moving to
(13:52):
Haiti, uh, and.
I think, I'm about 27 at thistime.
Heredes (13:57):
So okay.
So time out, time out, time out.
You landed in Port-au-Princefor the first time, fair
Port-au-Prince for the firsttime, fair.
You get in the airport there.
I've been there.
How was that?
Give me the 30 second.
How was that?
Callie Himsl (14:11):
You know how that was.
That's why you asked it.
I need our listeners to knowhow that was.
Heredes (14:14):
Because and you wanted to move back, because it's a
50-50 split on like I need toget a return flight right now.
Or God does something in yourheart to say I need to get a
return flight right now.
Or God does something in yourheart to say I need to stay here
because, wow.
So give our listeners kind ofthat perspective.
Callie Himsl (14:31):
You know, I haven't thought about it for a
while.
Now that I'm trying to relivethat moment in my head, I'm
going to lose all my street credbecause I think I cried.
I think I cried in the airport.
Heredes (14:43):
I believe you.
Callie Himsl (14:46):
We are going to get stabbed and die, okay.
Collin (14:48):
So it wasn't like, oh, this is so beautiful.
It was like a what I?
What have I done?
Callie Himsl (14:51):
the airport is wild.
Well, at least it was at thattime because it was before.
They've done a lot ofconstruction since then, it like
.
But you would land and you hadto, like you did the stairs
right off of the plane and soyou were like kind of on the
runway, but there was, everybodywas everywhere, and then you
had to get on this likemakeshift shuttle and then go to
the airport.
(15:12):
I mean, and you and they didn'tgive you visa paperwork before
you like filled it out on theground.
So there's like hundreds ofpeople, it's like 120 degrees,
everybody's shouting,everybody's yelling.
You've never heard this languagebefore.
Like oh, I like have goosebumpsright now.
No, you're just like this, likestupid white girl from
minnesota, and you're just likeoh my gosh, and everybody's, you
(15:36):
know pulling bags and this andthat, and like oh my god, they
warned us about.
Like what do we do?
Like you're just in fight orflight, like I think I cried so
lame.
And I remember the haitian guywho's our friend now, ron.
He picked us up and he's likechill as heck man.
He was just on the phonetalking to somebody like yeah,
yeah, go here.
And I'm looking at him like howdoes he not know how.
Is he not concerned for usanyway, you you did.
Heredes (16:02):
You live there.
If I'm correct, correct me ifI'm wrong eight years yeah, so.
So then that's a lifetimethat's a lifetime, so tell me,
okay, you went back why and howdid that happen?
Callie Himsl (16:15):
okay, yeah, so I think I I spent, you know, the
week and a half there, whatever,and it it really did have those
moments where I was like holycow, this is, this is just wild.
Like you don't.
You've been there, like, but iffor anybody who hasn't, it's
these experiences like you can'teven begin to imagine, like
(16:39):
your entire world view isshifted within a matter of
moments and it's in the way youdidn't know people ate a certain
way or talked a certain way, orthey hugged a certain way, and
these warm cultures like I'mfrom a german culture, like we,
my grandma, don't even hug me,you know, and it's like these
warm cultures that are likeblunt and my husbandation now,
(17:01):
so I can say all these thingsbut they're blunt and they're,
uh, passionate and they'reaggressive and they're touchy,
feely and lovey and like it'sjust, and you're just like I
don't know like your brain haslike completely shifted from
like how you understood life tolike what the possibilities are
now, and it's wild.
Heredes (17:21):
You caught up.
You caught up on your hugsimmediately A lifetime of hugs
in haiti.
Callie Himsl (17:29):
That's the name of your documentary yes, hugs from
haiti or 90 day fiance?
Heredes (17:35):
no that sounds that sounds more like it, we've been
together like 11 years okay.
But that's going to be in thepromo, colin.
This is the promo.
Welcome.
This is Callie.
90 Day Fiancé.
Collin (17:54):
Your 90 Day Fiancé.
Wife of one.
I've literally never heardanyone say that phrase.
Wife of one Like you are.
You are the only one.
I've never.
Callie Himsl (18:13):
I just I don't you know, yeah, is that a common
thing to say?
Heredes (18:17):
Maybe in Brazil you guys need to get out more.
Collin (18:23):
Is it like in Brazil?
Guys need to get out more likeyou know.
Is it?
Is it like in brazil?
Is it like?
Is it like opposite of like oflike mormon, where it's like the
, the women have like multiplehusbands or like I don't know?
I'm just curious.
Help me understand educate usyeah, so um, or if you want us
to move on, let's let us know ingenesis 26 no, we're not
talking about that that.
Heredes (18:44):
If wife of one is a problem to you, colin, we'll
talk with HR after this Way toturn it around.
Collin (18:50):
All right, okay, okay.
So eight years in Haiti.
Callie Himsl (18:54):
Eight years in Haiti, eight years in.
Collin (18:56):
Haiti Found the love of your life and then, after that,
you decided to come back,stateside, as it were.
Callie Himsl (19:10):
And so how do we go from there to kind of to
where you are now?
Oh man, okay, so so it was liketherapy Mickey Mouse.
Yeah, right, okay.
So I went down with anorganization that did church to
church partnership.
I was with them for about sixmonths, um, and then when I was
living there, I was learning thelanguage, I was getting to know
(19:32):
the culture.
I was like really again likehaving that world shift, uh, you
know, in my mind, but not onlyabout like culture and you know
these, these big things.
It was also about like missionsand like how we were doing
things and what people reallythought about foreigners and how
, like, when you, you reallylike.
And that's why it was importantto me to learn the language too,
(19:54):
because I was like I, like real, as an extrovert.
First of all, I was likesomebody, please talk to me.
And then, secondly, like I waslike just so interested in like
okay, but what do you reallythink?
You know, like type of a thing.
Um, so it became yeah, so, so Ibegan to be like okay, like
we're handing out these bags ofrice every day, but what did you
know?
And then we leave and thenanother van comes of other
(20:15):
people who think they're savingthe world, and all these things
are really complex and like theyare what they are.
But I got turned on to thisidea of social business and that
is a that's like something atthe time that we didn't really
even have a word for yet.
So it's important to note.
I think in this conversation tothe the, a lot of people um,
can you take him outside mydog's claws?
Heredes (20:39):
um a lot of people will be right back, right back after
this break from my dogsponsored by just like people
building houses.
No, hey, start us there cali I,I do want to hear that I forgot
what I was talking about nowhen it, when it clicked in your
mind as a social kind of likethe, the work, or social
(21:02):
business, or when did it clickwhen did you see when?
Did kind of like, uh, what Godwas doing, when the
entrepreneurial, when the artistin you, when, when did all that
come together?
Callie Himsl (21:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So the important note I think alot of people associate Haiti
with a natural disaster, andthat natural disaster was an
earthquake and that was in um 20times.
So people were a lot of moneywas coming into haiti.
A lot of things were happeningin haiti, um and I'm sorry it
was 2012, but it's january 10th2012, um but so a lot of foreign
(21:35):
aid, so much foreign aid wascoming into haiti, and there's
all of these case studies aboutit and it's a very, it's very
much used as an example of whatwent wrong during that time.
And so it was like foreign aidwas coming in and it meant like,
okay, we're going to buy peoplerice, we're going to buy people
water, we're going to likewhatever, but there wasn't
(21:57):
necessarily this thought about along-term solution or long-term
sustainability.
And so there are a few people inthe country.
One of them was Shelly.
One of them, uh, was Shelly,shelly, jean, and she had
started, um, something wascalled the parent project at the
time and moved to Papillon, andso what she was doing was this,
this kind of this new idea?
I guess you could say, uh,about training people in artisan
(22:20):
like how to make jewelry, howto make all these different
things, um, and were beingemployed and poverty, you know,
was being eradicated and thesepeople had dignity and they had
jobs for the first time, theywere learning soft skills, and
so I had gone to I think I likevisited the workshop.
It was fairly small at thattime, maybe only 20 people or so
(22:42):
.
So after I left the church tochurch partnership, I began
working with her and that'swhere I spent the majority of my
time in Haiti.
Collin (22:52):
So that kind of started for you in Haiti then, or was
that kind of okay, so so youstarted doing that, and then at
what point did did that kind oflead you back here?
Callie Himsl (23:06):
At what point did that kind of lead you back here?
Yeah, well, it's a littlecomplicated, but yeah.
So I was working there.
I fell in love with this ideaof like, oh my gosh, business
could, like, alleviate poverty,and a lot of people, I think,
were starting to put thosepieces together and this idea of
social business, socialentrepreneurship, really began
(23:27):
to come to light, and otherpeople throughout the world were
doing it or were able to nowput a vocabulary with it.
So, really, it's using businessas a means to either alleviate
poverty or help to solve asocial issue.
You don't have to be a nonprofit, you can be a for-profit.
I think there's a lot ofmisunderstanding about what that
(23:47):
looks like.
Um, I always say talk to yourtax person, like.
It really just comes down towhat paperwork you want to do,
um, but you can be a nonprofitand you can sell goods.
You can be a for-profit and youcan do social good, like, and
so it really just depends onwhat your goals are.
Um company.
So I was able to.
I call it the glory days ofHaiti, because it was just a
(24:09):
really incredible time where,like I said, a lot of money was
coming in.
We can debate on a laterpodcast about where that money
went.
But the point is is like therewas there was hope and there was
excitement and there werethings happening in the country,
and so I had the privilege ofworking with some really
incredible people.
Some former presidents camedown.
(24:30):
I got to work with SecretService, which was so cool.
Vogue was there.
Donna Karan of DKNY yeah.
Heredes (24:39):
Yeah, you can't just say I work for Secret Service
and just keep going, right,colin?
Callie Himsl (24:44):
Well, because I work for Secret Service, we have
a clause.
Heredes (24:47):
I know Now, you told us , so it's not a secret.
So tell me more.
Callie Himsl (24:52):
No, we can't, Because I don't want to say it,
because it was Bill Clinton andthey're trying to tell him that
he was part of the Epstein thing.
Heredes (25:00):
I don't want people to think I was involved in this.
I'm glad you heard that promotune into the podcast for the
non-profit renaissance let it beknown.
Callie Himsl (25:11):
Let it be known, no connection no connection, but
I mean, regardless of your uhstance, it's pretty cool to see
a president, a former president,yeah, yeah, all right, we'll
talk offline after this.
Outro (25:33):
No, I'm kidding, just mess around.
Heredes (25:34):
I love that.
Callie Himsl (25:36):
Go ahead.
I don't even remember what Iwas saying.
Go ahead, colin, you were goingto say something.
Collin (25:42):
Well, so let's talk about, let's kind of lean into
social entrepreneurship socialenterprise, because this might
even be.
I mean, I remember when you andI first talked it was even a
newer idea for me, and so it'sprobably it might be a newer
idea for some who are listening.
You gave a pretty gooddescription.
It's a fairly simple idea.
Again, using business as a wayto make an impact in the world.
(26:06):
Yeah, is there a distinctionbetween someone, a social
entrepreneur, and what they'redoing and just like a typical
nonprofit?
Would you say a typicalnonprofit is a type of social
enterprise or is that kind oflike a different thing, like a
different headspace or mindsetfocus?
What would you say?
Callie Himsl (26:27):
That's a good question.
Nobody's ever asked me thatbefore.
That's a good question.
Nobody's ever asked me thatbefore.
Yeah, I mean, I think, what yourintention it all comes down to
like why does the entity exist?
So, if it's a business or anonprofit or a not-for-profit or
whatever you want to call it,like why does it exist?
Like what's the end goal?
And like I think about do youremember, like Now we Can All
(26:48):
Age Ourselves like Tom's Shoesyou know that was, that was like
one of the first age has anentire closet just dedicated to
tom's, one of the first to comeout, to be like that, really
opened up, like the mainstream,to say, like, wait a second, we
can.
We can still function as asociety and buy our cool shoes
(27:11):
and do what we want to do, butwe can also do good, like within
that.
So I think it really just comesdown to, um, what your end goal
is.
For sure, a lot of timesnonprofits are set up to solve
like a social issue, essentially, Right.
Um, I think like my biggesttakeaway would be that that
somebody would take away fromthis part of the conversation
would be that you don't have tobe a specific type of person to
(27:37):
give back, and I think that'swhat we're told a lot.
We have to be like a missionaryor we have to be a social
worker or something reallyspecific, and I think people who
are bookkeepers have anincredible talent that I don't
have.
Like people who can doconstruction, like whatever it
is, whatever your talent is,there's a space and a place for
you to give back, and I think,like, whether that is for a
(28:01):
nonprofit, whether that's toyour neighbor or whoever it is,
like you don't have to be aspecific person with a specific
skill set, like, at the end ofthe day, today you go out and
you do something good and that'slike the whole point of it.
Collin (28:15):
So, at the risk of sounding super lame, right, you
could, you could kind of saylike it's, it's not a phase.
It's a lifestyle type of thing,right, so would that be a you
know?
So for those who are, who arelistening, it sounds like what
you're saying is, it's not evennecessarily like this whole like
(28:36):
venture, that you know that ifyou're kind of like, well, I
don't know, or I don't have, orI don't want to, like, start
something, to then like enactthis right, like, so it's like
you know there's a way to dothis.
And now does that go beyondjust being someone who donates?
What's the difference betweenlike okay, well, I just want to
(28:56):
be someone who donates my money.
Is there like a distinctionthere?
So talk to someone who mightnot be in the place where
they're saying I want to startan organization or I want to
start a business with thisparticular thing, I say, good,
don't, you're very wise.
Callie Himsl (29:14):
Yeah, I'm not sure if the world needs another
non-profit, uh.
But I mean and that's what I'mlike like trying so hard to
articulate and I'm not sure howto say it but like the sense of
like I did it right, like I didlike the christian missionary
thing.
I left everything, I soldeverything, I moved to a
developing country and I livedwith no hot water and
electricity and all these thingsfor so many years and like got
(29:35):
all this trauma from it.
But like I did it and I livedit and like on the other side of
that I realized like youactually don't have to, I'm glad
I did and it was for me and itreally was who I believe God
created me to be, and likeabsolutely was who I believe God
created me to be, and likeabsolutely.
(29:56):
But my hope would be, if you arethat donor and you work at a
bank and you are just trying tosend your kids to college and
that's what you're doing and youwant to like help somebody to
get to Africa on their missiontrip, like you need that too.
Like it all kind of works inunison and I think that God uses
us at different times and indifferent areas and in different
seasons for that skill set.
I think it's just important tolisten to what that inside
tuition is inside of you.
(30:17):
I remember at a Bible studybefore I had all of these
experiences, I was like talkingabout missions and whatever, and
I remember saying to this girlI said you mean, if somebody
knocked on your door and said doyou want to move to China
tomorrow?
You'd say no.
And she was like no, why would,would I?
And I was like I thoughteverybody felt like that and she
was like no, and that waseye-opening for me because I was
(30:38):
like, oh, I should probablylisten to this like maybe I need
therapy, like I don't know what.
What's?
What's wrong with me?
China?
Collin (30:47):
not everyone is like yeah, uh, so, so where did where
does someone start then?
Right?
Or like you know, what does itlook like for you to help
someone with this?
Or to work with a business?
Right, because it seems like alot of times you'll come into,
you know a business, will hireyou to consult and kind of like,
(31:09):
help them figure out.
How do we use this to create?
This impact Like what is that?
You know what's the process forsomebody?
Callie Himsl (31:18):
Yeah, thanks for asking.
You know, when I was, I hadresigned from my position at the
organization around 2018.
And I had all of this like lifeexperience, but I had no like
actual credentials, I would saylike in the American eye, and so
I put myself back in school, um, and ended up getting a degree
(31:40):
in community advocacy and socialpolicy, um, through the school
of social work, and it was sucha therapeutic experience for me
because, you know, you're havingthese papers that are like just
the most like in-depthintellectual, like why does
poverty exist and how do we,like you know, get rid of it,
and all these, and like it wasso therapeutic because I was
(32:00):
like, oh my gosh, this is whatI've been experiencing every day
for eight years, you know.
And like the funniest part islike you're, you have to like
peer review, you know.
And like this 21 year old islike I went to bucky's the other
day and think you know liketheir life experiences.
It's just like, oh my gosh, like, and you just like saw five
people die on the street, likeso it's just wild.
So it was really, really, uhtherapeutic for me to to gain
(32:24):
that, but also really helpful,uh, for me as well, because I
had this degree in graphicdesign and communications and
then now I had this degree insocial justice, essentially so
really beginning to pair thosetwo.
During my time in Haiti, I wasable to travel a lot outside of
Haiti as well and go to a lot ofdifferent conferences for
(32:45):
people who were like-minded, andwhen I realized during that
time, too, was like, oh, eventhough we're in different
countries and different cultures, we're all experiencing so many
of the same problems, trying tohelp alleviate some of these
social issues.
And so I naturally fell intothis area of consulting.
I walk alongside of them, forwherever they're at, there's
(33:13):
some people who are justthinking about starting a
business or a nonprofit, or theysee a social issue that they're
passionate about they want tohelp on.
Maybe that means I connect themto a nonprofit that already
exists.
Maybe I help walk them throughwhat that looks like.
A lot of my skill set is inbranding and marketing, so I use
this analogy a lot, where maybesomebody's like in Cambodia,
(33:33):
they're rescuing women from sextrafficking and they're teaching
the women how to make braceletsand the bracelets are sold to
help, you know, bring themincome so they don't have to
move back into this area of sextrafficking, and but their
website's terrible and nobodyknows they exist and so, like
they're never going to sell abracelet and these, you know.
So the women are not.
You know, there's not, it's nota sustainable model.
So a lot of times it's like itreally and maybe you guys have
(33:57):
this experience you think it'sjust setting up a website or
whatever that looks like.
But it's really helping thatthat completely depleted and
exhausted nonprofit people whoare wearing a hundred different
hats and doing a hundreddifferent things, people who are
wearing a hundred differenthats and doing a hundred
different things.
You're showing them what theycan be.
You're showing them like, oh mygosh, I can be just as good as
(34:19):
any brand.
I can sell something thatactually and you help them
develop their story and you helpthem communicate all of the
things that they've experiencedover the years, because people
need to hear these stories.
They're incredible and it's away to be a liaison to connect
the two worlds.
Right, you know, maybe thatperson in Kansas who's you know
again working at the bank,trying to get their kids into
college or whatever, but theyhave a passion and like they can
(34:41):
buy the bracelet.
Right, you're connecting thesetwo worlds that would never have
been able to connect before.
Collin (34:46):
Yeah, would you say that a lot of businesses that you
work with kind of already have,like, the desire to make the
impact, or they're even likethey're already working towards
it, and it's just a matter oflike, well, you know, of helping
them actually put that intoaction or helping them see,
maybe, blind spots where it'slike you know, I see what you
want to do.
(35:06):
This is stopping you.
How do we get from here to here?
Callie Himsl (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I think a lot of it becomeskind of therapy, right, because
if you, if you're a nonprofitleader, like and you're hearing
this like you're not alone, likeI know you're wearing 100
different hats, I know thatyou're like absolutely exhausted
at night, like things arekeeping you awake and you know
(35:30):
your self care is coming last,and I think like so much of them
is just like being in tears,being like I put my heart and
soul into this, like now what doI do?
And again that that helped likethat idea of like helping
somebody see themselves anew forthe first time, to be like I
can.
I can do this, I have beendoing this.
Um, it's so special.
Collin (35:54):
Yeah.
So to encourage those out therenonprofit leaders, if you're in
a place where you're strugglingor maybe you're beginning to
kind of doubt the vision thatyou had, a lot of times, it's
not necessarily that the visionwasn't there, the vision wasn't
the right one, it's justsometimes you need somebody to
help you kind of take whereyou're at now and move forward.
(36:15):
And I think that's one of thebenefits of working with someone
like you, callie, or workingwith an agency like Verse is
being able to have someone whosays, like we've been here
before, man, we can specializein this.
You specialize in your vision,you specialize in what the
impact that you've wanted tomake in your heart for years and
years and years and let someother people come in and help
you do that thing.
(36:35):
It's huge, it's impactful.
Heredes (36:39):
Cal, thanks for sharing .
We love partnering with artists, creatives, who have the
worldview and experience thatyou have, so I appreciate you
sharing from that experience andfrom that heart, which is
important.
Where do you see?
You kind of answered throughoutour time together, but where do
you see the future of socialentrepreneurship heading,
(37:03):
particularly with nonprofitgrowth, with community impact?
And what's kind of your pulse,what's your feel and where's it
going?
Callie Himsl (37:13):
Good question.
I think it's only going to grow.
I think, um people are lookingfor authenticity, um people are
looking for purpose.
Uh, not to sound like a boomer,but you know, like the
generation, the generation that.
Heredes (37:27):
Okay, mom Okay.
Callie Himsl (37:31):
Yeah, I feel like the generation that is like the
millennials and like coming up,you know, it's like that idea of
like wanting to live a life onpurpose.
I think it's only going to growand I think that the idea again
is like you don't have toreinvent the wheel, like you can
(37:53):
already do what you're doingand you can do it well, and like
you can focus in on one smallthing and like, push in, push
into that, like don't.
I feel like people getparalyzed sometimes where they
think that they're going to getto a stage to get ready to give
back or to move into that lifeof purpose and I it does, it
(38:17):
doesn't happen.
Like we're no better thananybody else.
I didn't do anything betterthan anybody else, like I just
like did this stupid thingbecause I was 27,.
You know what I mean.
Like.
So I don't want people to getstuck to think like that people
who are quote, unquote, unquotelike changing the world are
doing some amazing, like amazingthings are any different than
anybody else.
They're not like everybody.
Like whether they're trust meand I've worked with, like
(38:39):
whether you're a massivecorporation or you're a small
little non-profit with threepeople like everybody's, just
everybody, learning as they goand like nobody has it together
more together than anybody else.
Most basically nobody has ittogether.
So everybody out there else,most basically nobody has it
together.
So everybody out there is doinga good job, good job.
Collin (38:56):
And we're going to end it right there the world is
burning.
Callie Himsl (38:59):
No one has it together.
Collin (39:01):
And we'll see you guys next time.
Heredes (39:04):
No, Colin, you claim you have it together, bro, Like
you've told me I've heard yourepisodes that you have it all
figured out and it's told me.
Collin (39:10):
I've heard your episodes that you have it all figured
out and it's, it's, it's thefacade I put on to feel better
about myself.
And you know, I guess we're, Iguess we're all doing therapy
today.
Heredes (39:22):
Sponsored by better help.
Collin (39:26):
I don't think there's been an episode where H hasn't
declared a sponsor that we havethat we don't actually have.
Heredes (39:33):
There's a madness.
Outro (39:36):
There's quite a bit of you know we got 30,000 sponsors.
Heredes (39:42):
They're in the pipeline .
Collin (39:43):
They're in the pipeline.
Heredes (39:45):
Real talk before Kellen wraps up.
Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate that.
We love laughter.
Laughter is whatever therapyand medicine for the soul, or
chicken soup for the soul one ofthose um, so yeah, chicken
that's old school right there Iknow it's like now we're really
dating ourselves my mom justbecame a became a raving fan of
(40:06):
this podcast.
With that one mention, she'slike I think we should listen
yeah, they're probably lookingto sponsor yeah no, seriously,
thanks for sharing, thanks for,uh, how can um before colin kind
of wraps us up and how canpeople find you?
How can people connect with you?
Uh, if they're listening, ifyou're listening and you're hard
connected, you know, with, withkelly's heart and kind of her
(40:27):
mission and her passion, wherecan they find you?
Callie Himsl (40:31):
yeah, I would love to connect with you Um hear
about whatever stage you are at,either personally or as a
business or nonprofit.
Um, we have a company calledHark Creative Council H-A-R-K.
Creativecouncilcom.
Um, you can get in touch withme right out there.
Collin (40:47):
Awesome Well, you heard it here so much incredible
wisdom, and I mean again,someone who's lived the life
this isn't just, you know, thissounds like a cool idea Someone
who's been there, who's done it.
And so Callie, again, like H,is saying thank you so much for
joining us and thank you forlistening week in and week out.
(41:10):
It's a pleasure to have youevery time.
So, thank you so much.
We will see you next time onthe Nonprofit Renaissance.
See you later.
Outro (41:19):
Thanks again for listening to the Nonprofit
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We hope it ignites arenaissance in you and helps you
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hey, welcome.
Ladies and gentlemen, we'vebeen chatting for you know, it
feels like hours already,sharing all the hot tea that I
think if you dm colin um, he'llsend you the hot tea.
Hot takes for the non-profit,rena, I think are we doing that,
Colin?
Collin (00:26):
We'll have to see.
We'll see if I'm getting DMs.
Heredes (00:28):
Colin, I heard you were starting a Patreon on the side
just for the hot tea, hot takes.
Director's cuts of the podcast.
Collin (00:34):
Well, we talked a little bit earlier about how this is a
triple Enneagram, 7 episode.
Callie Himsl (00:40):
Terrible idea Terrible.
So, sorry to everybody.
Collin (00:44):
If I get some DMs, we'll see.
Heredes (00:46):
Yeah, hashtag 21.
Callie Himsl (00:48):
If anybody can follow this conversation, the
spider web of this next 45minutes.
Collin (00:55):
It'll be more of a game.
I think, yeah, it's more of agame for you to try out.
Heredes (01:00):
This is the Enneagram Renaissance.
I mean the nonprofitrenaissance, ladies, and
gentlemen so we welcome youtoday.
This is the EnneagramRenaissance.
I mean the nonprofitrenaissance.
So we welcome you today.
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our organizations, to ourfriends, to our creatives, to
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Thank you for listening, thankyou for the comments, thanks for
sharing what you think the good, the bad and the ugly.
We appreciate you and thanksfor listening.
(01:23):
Subscribing it's been such ajoy.
Keep recommending the guests,the friends and how we can help
you go further and grow faster.
That's our heart and that's whywe do what we do.
It's been such a fun ride and,colin, we've got a friend here
today.
That's been all over the worldand we've been kind of chatting
it up right now I don't know howmuch because we have hours and
hours.
I blocked out four hours fortoday.
(01:45):
Tell me, colleen.
Callie Himsl (01:46):
Everybody's favorite on a Friday afternoon.
Collin (01:49):
Oh yeah, no, we're ready , we're prepared.
Well, no, I mean, you've heardher already.
You've probably seen her ifyou're watching the video, but
today's guest is someone who'slike we said.
Her journey has taken heraround the globe.
She's a trailblazer in socialentrepreneurship and enterprise
and just has so much expertisein sustainable business models,
(02:10):
branding, marketing, and so wethink there's going to be some
pretty invaluable insights and alot of fun, a lot of laughs
along the way.
So the voice you've beenhearing is Callie Hemsel, so
please welcome her, callie.
It's so good to have you.
Callie Himsl (02:31):
Thank you.
Thank you for inviting me andthank you for being entertaining
on a Friday afternoon.
It's the energy I needed.
Heredes (02:38):
Is that where we are?
Is that where we are, callie?
Really, is that what this is?
Wow?
Outro (02:44):
No, listen we didn't give .
Heredes (02:45):
the top of the bio is wife of one and mother of two.
Is that correct?
Yes, okay, I just want to makesure.
Collin (02:56):
Is that a clarification?
Heredes (02:57):
you usually make.
Collin (02:59):
Well, because I want to make sure.
Heredes (03:02):
Because if we're that entertaining, that doesn't mean
she's just having a break fromher kids and her husband.
Callie Himsl (03:06):
If we're like just screaming in my face, yeah are
you at home right now?
Collin (03:12):
are you at home right now?
I am at home, but my kid.
Callie Himsl (03:15):
I can't, I can't complain too much because my
kids they go to daycare, uh,every day, from basically nine
to five, and it is incrediblyexpensive.
So I will pay a complaint aboutthat, but I get a break sure
child care is wild callie.
Heredes (03:29):
I'm going to start here because you know, in the
recommendations, if there arefriends who've recommended you
like you got to talk to callie,you got to meet callie, you got
to meet cal, I was like, okay,we'll meet callie.
So here we are, uh, fromorlando, minnesota, california,
haiti.
I mean it's, you've dominatedthe west, apparently.
Here we are from Orlando,minnesota, california, haiti.
I mean, you've dominated theWest, apparently.
Tell us who are you and whereare you, and let's start there
(03:52):
for our audience.
Callie Himsl (03:53):
How about that?
That's it.
That's a good question.
You know, back in my 20s I'dprobably say I'm not quite sure
where I am right now, but now,as a mother of two, 40 a wife of
40 in a few months let'sclarify um, I am in orlando, uh,
right now.
(04:13):
So, yeah, I grew up in minnesota.
I grew up in a small town, umcalled avon, um, avon, and the
ironic part about that uh, I'lldigress for a second here is
that, um, I grew up like alwayswanting to travel the world and
get out and do amazing things,and the name of the town is
called avon.
(04:33):
I end up naming my firstdaughter nova, and I go for like
six months.
So then somebody says you know,it's avon's fell backwards and
I was like the very thing I'vebeen running from my whole life.
That's like a whole therapysession.
I think I don't know how thatcame to be.
Outro (04:49):
Yeah, your hometown is so deep in your head.
Callie Himsl (04:54):
How did that happen?
But to any Avon peoplelistening, love you guys.
But yeah, like literally a townof like 1,100 people.
If you started dating somebodyyou had to ask their last name
to make sure you weren't relatedlike everybody.
Everybody knew everybody, butit had great, it has great
family values.
Very, very blue collar, very,like you know, work hard,
(05:16):
integrity and that taught me.
That taught me a lot.
But I did always have this likedesire.
You know, if you're watchingNational Geographic or you know
you see these commercials orwhatever.
It is like I was a kid andyou're just like, oh, there's
this whole world out there likeI need to explore, um.
So I got a degree in graphicdesign, moved to san diego, um,
and then yeah, how, how farnorth in minnesota is avon, are
(05:41):
you like?
up in canada or it's like, soexactly central, so like very
very central yeah yeah, from thetwin cities like an hour and a
half, like west this is just forcollins, geographical, you know
, you know.
Collin (05:56):
Condition yeah, because I I definitely know where the
twin cities are on the map, andI so.
Yeah, this is all making sensebecause I do know that.
Callie Himsl (06:04):
Yeah, there's a land of 10,000 lakes, they call
it, so you just gotta follow the10,000 lakes.
I hear.
Collin (06:10):
There's a few pretty great ones out there, hey, oh
all right, sorry, I apologize.
Callie Himsl (06:14):
I apologize so california california, here we
go.
Heredes (06:22):
How far is it from the Wawa's on Culver's Apple?
Collin (06:28):
Do they have a Bucky's up in Minnesota?
Callie Himsl (06:30):
Which one?
Collin (06:32):
Do they have Bucky's up there?
Callie Himsl (06:33):
You know what they should, because there's a lot
of land, but no, I think that'sstill mainly in the south.
Yeah, not yet.
Heredes (06:40):
If you hear that Bucky's Bucky's Looking for
sponsorships, Either you'regoing to edit all, for either
either you're gonna edit allthese out or you're gonna get
sponsorships from bucky's.
Why was it?
Callie Himsl (06:52):
back to you.
Here we go, okay.
So, uh, yep, here we go.
Um, yes, I, we have somethingcalled casey's, uh, and we have
little dukes, I think I feellike I've heard of casey's
little dukes sounds just.
Collin (07:08):
That's an incredible name for whatever that is.
Little dukes.
Is it like a bucky's or?
Callie Himsl (07:14):
um no, definitely not as impressive, but then
again, nothing's really like abucky's right, that's true
that's true.
Heredes (07:21):
Yeah, that was colin's drummer nickname Little.
Collin (07:26):
Dukes?
Yeah, one Duke, two Dukes,little Dukes.
I promise I'm done and Ipromise we will edit that part.
Heredes (07:32):
Go ahead, no we will not.
No, we will not.
Callie Himsl (07:34):
No, keep it in.
We need more sponsors.
Yes, went out to California,worked in corporate and worked
as a designer there, um and um,I became a Christian uh at that
time.
Um, I I'll bring bring theconversation down a little bit,
but, um, I let me let me thinkhere.
(07:56):
So I moved there 2004, maybe2004,.
2005,.
Um, and then worked incorporate, um and became a
Christian uh around 2010.
Um, and a lot of the reason forthat was that, um, my brother uh
had passed away.
So he was my only sibling Um,and he uh passed away very
(08:20):
suddenly and kind of like afreak work accident, um as a
mechanic.
So that happened and um, youknow, people always say, you
know, I was 25 at the time,right, like you, you like barely
comprehending life, you know ingeneral, um, and so that
happened and it really.
People always say life is shortand you know all of those kinds
of cliches.
But when you you reallyexperience it and you face it,
(08:41):
you begin to have what mostpeople would have in like their
you know, midlife crisis of like, okay, like, but I was 25 and I
was like, faced with all ofthis, like realism, um, and I
began to think like, okay.
One, like is God real?
And if he is, like this isgoing to happen to me someday,
Like I want to know you knowwhat's next?
(09:01):
Um.
And then two like what is thispurpose?
Like what's the purpose of life, what's my purpose, and really
all that existential crisisgoing through all of that, um,
you know, it's, uh, I was justhaving this conversation, um,
recently, cause I feel like inyour twenties, a lot of times is
right, it's like kind of yourexperimental era.
You're like getting kind ofcrazy.
(09:21):
Some people choose to you, youknow, to partake in certain
activities.
Um, you know, and like begin to, you know, search out who you
are and try to find yourself.
But for me, you know, I haddone a lot of partying, whatever
, but the, but it was like Ididn't need, I no longer needed
to like that, that outlet to gofind myself.
It was more just like, oh, thisis really real, like let me,
(09:44):
let me figure this out.
And so, um, yeah, so I became achristian.
And then, just like any goodchristian, you start to do
missions, uh, which is likereally kind of wild number two
step number two go save theworld.
um, and then step number three,you realize there is no saving
the world.
That's not like a real thing.
(10:05):
Interesting what?
Outro (10:09):
What.
Callie Himsl (10:12):
But I went to.
I started working with YWAMYouth with a Mission Like mind
you, me too, me too, you did,yeah, yeah.
Heredes (10:21):
So I went to Mexico a lot, oh nice Nice.
Callie Himsl (10:25):
I never did like the full classes.
They were just like you're aChristian here, go build houses
in Mexico.
And I was like, yeah, this isamazing.
Heredes (10:33):
My family went in deep.
Like I was born in Brazil,raised there, but it's called
Jocum Jovem School, uma Missão,ywam.
It's the same thing, sameAmerican organization and same
thing same American organization.
And are they American, us ormaybe I don't know I'm assuming
so.
I don't know, but as a matterof fact, my sister is still and
has done work with them as ofrecent.
So shout out to YWAM.
(10:54):
Sponsored by YWAM, Call us up.
Callie Himsl (10:58):
They'd probably be us to sponsor Usually they're
like making a ton of money yeah.
Heredes (11:04):
That's what I meant.
That's what I meant.
Colin, have have ai fix thatfor us, please.
Thank you, totally sorry.
No, no, you're great exactlythat's so interesting.
Callie Himsl (11:15):
yeah, I, there's so massive, a lot of people have
interaction with them.
But, um, I, I, um.
So I was going to mexicobuilding houses, still working
my corporate job, and then, um,again like any good Christian,
where's, where's, like themissionary, like capital of the
world, africa, right?
So you're like, oh, I must goto Africa.
This place is incredible.
So went to Africa, I went toKenya, um, and it really was
(11:40):
incredible, um, as a culture.
Collin (11:43):
Up until this point it was a lot of like short-term
missions, what probably one week, two week type stuff.
And then africa did africastart as that sort of thing?
Or yeah, you were.
Callie Himsl (11:53):
You were just like I'm all in, I live here now
well, I think, I think I think Iwould have if, if I was given
the option and I'm glad I wasn'tgiven that option and yet again
, like I'm like, you know, likesix months into being a
Christian, you know, don't speakany other language like have a
degree in graphic design, likeit was pretty wild, but it was
(12:18):
very eye opening and I think alot of people have a similar
experience.
Short term missions we can getinto that as well later in the
conversation but the, you know,the idea is not necessarily that
they're the best or that we'vebeen doing them the best for
hundreds of years, but they doopen a lot of doors for people
to experience different things.
And then a lot of times, youkind of have again that like
(12:38):
existential crisis where youbegin to think like whoa, the
world is so different, um, andlook at things through a
different lens.
Yeah, so, um.
So I did two weeks there.
Um came back and that's when I,you know, was in my corporate
jobs, like in my cubicle, likeah, I can't do this anymore,
like I'm like going nuts, and soI began um like calling,
(13:01):
interviewing with differentorganizations, and I had had um
called some people I had, uh,worked with in the past and they
said we're going to haiti,would you like to go to haiti?
And this is so embarrassing,but I'll admit it for everybody
to laugh at me is I literallythought haiti was in africa and
I was like africa, yeah, I'vebeen there, let's go.
We're going back.
We're going back soembarrassing, uh I was.
Collin (13:25):
That was.
That must have been a shock.
You know, you get there andyou're like wait a minute.
Callie Himsl (13:29):
Similar it's pretty similar there's no
elephants?
There's no, yeah sure wow, I'mjust right by florida.
I didn't know that.
Um so so, yeah, so that thatwas pretty crazy Cause I did.
I said, okay, like, do you wantto go to Haiti?
I said, yes, let's go.
I went, I came back and then Isaid that's it, I'm moving to
(13:52):
Haiti, uh, and.
I think, I'm about 27 at thistime.
Heredes (13:57):
So okay.
So time out, time out, time out.
You landed in Port-au-Princefor the first time, fair
Port-au-Prince for the firsttime, fair.
You get in the airport there.
I've been there.
How was that?
Give me the 30 second.
How was that?
Callie Himsl (14:11):
You know how that was.
That's why you asked it.
I need our listeners to knowhow that was.
Heredes (14:14):
Because and you wanted to move back, because it's a
50-50 split on like I need toget a return flight right now.
Or God does something in yourheart to say I need to get a
return flight right now.
Or God does something in yourheart to say I need to stay here
because, wow.
So give our listeners kind ofthat perspective.
Callie Himsl (14:31):
You know, I haven't thought about it for a
while.
Now that I'm trying to relivethat moment in my head, I'm
going to lose all my street credbecause I think I cried.
I think I cried in the airport.
Heredes (14:43):
I believe you.
Callie Himsl (14:46):
We are going to get stabbed and die, okay.
Collin (14:48):
So it wasn't like, oh, this is so beautiful.
It was like a what I?
What have I done?
Callie Himsl (14:51):
the airport is wild.
Well, at least it was at thattime because it was before.
They've done a lot ofconstruction since then, it like
.
But you would land and you hadto, like you did the stairs
right off of the plane and soyou were like kind of on the
runway, but there was, everybodywas everywhere, and then you
had to get on this likemakeshift shuttle and then go to
the airport.
(15:12):
I mean, and you and they didn'tgive you visa paperwork before
you like filled it out on theground.
So there's like hundreds ofpeople, it's like 120 degrees,
everybody's shouting,everybody's yelling.
You've never heard this languagebefore.
Like oh, I like have goosebumpsright now.
No, you're just like this, likestupid white girl from
minnesota, and you're just likeoh my gosh, and everybody's, you
(15:36):
know pulling bags and this andthat, and like oh my god, they
warned us about.
Like what do we do?
Like you're just in fight orflight, like I think I cried so
lame.
And I remember the haitian guywho's our friend now, ron.
He picked us up and he's likechill as heck man.
He was just on the phonetalking to somebody like yeah,
yeah, go here.
And I'm looking at him like howdoes he not know how.
Is he not concerned for usanyway, you you did.
Heredes (16:02):
You live there.
If I'm correct, correct me ifI'm wrong eight years yeah, so.
So then that's a lifetimethat's a lifetime, so tell me,
okay, you went back why and howdid that happen?
Callie Himsl (16:15):
okay, yeah, so I think I I spent, you know, the
week and a half there, whatever,and it it really did have those
moments where I was like holycow, this is, this is just wild.
Like you don't.
You've been there, like, but iffor anybody who hasn't, it's
these experiences like you can'teven begin to imagine, like
(16:39):
your entire world view isshifted within a matter of
moments and it's in the way youdidn't know people ate a certain
way or talked a certain way, orthey hugged a certain way, and
these warm cultures like I'mfrom a german culture, like we,
my grandma, don't even hug me,you know, and it's like these
warm cultures that are likeblunt and my husbandation now,
(17:01):
so I can say all these thingsbut they're blunt and they're,
uh, passionate and they'reaggressive and they're touchy,
feely and lovey and like it'sjust, and you're just like I
don't know like your brain haslike completely shifted from
like how you understood life tolike what the possibilities are
now, and it's wild.
Heredes (17:21):
You caught up.
You caught up on your hugsimmediately A lifetime of hugs
in haiti.
Callie Himsl (17:29):
That's the name of your documentary yes, hugs from
haiti or 90 day fiance?
Heredes (17:35):
no that sounds that sounds more like it, we've been
together like 11 years okay.
But that's going to be in thepromo, colin.
This is the promo.
Welcome.
This is Callie.
90 Day Fiancé.
Collin (17:54):
Your 90 Day Fiancé.
Wife of one.
I've literally never heardanyone say that phrase.
Wife of one Like you are.
You are the only one.
I've never.
Callie Himsl (18:13):
I just I don't you know, yeah, is that a common
thing to say?
Heredes (18:17):
Maybe in Brazil you guys need to get out more.
Collin (18:23):
Is it like in Brazil?
Guys need to get out more likeyou know.
Is it?
Is it like in brazil?
Is it like?
Is it like opposite of like oflike mormon, where it's like the
, the women have like multiplehusbands or like I don't know?
I'm just curious.
Help me understand educate usyeah, so um, or if you want us
to move on, let's let us know ingenesis 26 no, we're not
talking about that that.
Heredes (18:44):
If wife of one is a problem to you, colin, we'll
talk with HR after this Way toturn it around.
Collin (18:50):
All right, okay, okay.
So eight years in Haiti.
Callie Himsl (18:54):
Eight years in Haiti, eight years in.
Collin (18:56):
Haiti Found the love of your life and then, after that,
you decided to come back,stateside, as it were.
Callie Himsl (19:10):
And so how do we go from there to kind of to
where you are now?
Oh man, okay, so so it was liketherapy Mickey Mouse.
Yeah, right, okay.
So I went down with anorganization that did church to
church partnership.
I was with them for about sixmonths, um, and then when I was
living there, I was learning thelanguage, I was getting to know
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the culture.
I was like really again likehaving that world shift, uh, you
know, in my mind, but not onlyabout like culture and you know
these, these big things.
It was also about like missionsand like how we were doing
things and what people reallythought about foreigners and how
, like, when you, you reallylike.
And that's why it was importantto me to learn the language too,
(19:54):
because I was like I, like real, as an extrovert.
First of all, I was likesomebody, please talk to me.
And then, secondly, like I waslike just so interested in like
okay, but what do you reallythink?
You know, like type of a thing.
Um, so it became yeah, so, so Ibegan to be like okay, like
we're handing out these bags ofrice every day, but what did you
know?
And then we leave and thenanother van comes of other
(20:15):
people who think they're savingthe world, and all these things
are really complex and like theyare what they are.
But I got turned on to thisidea of social business and that
is a that's like something atthe time that we didn't really
even have a word for yet.
So it's important to note.
I think in this conversation tothe the, a lot of people um,
can you take him outside mydog's claws?
Heredes (20:39):
um a lot of people will be right back, right back after
this break from my dogsponsored by just like people
building houses.
No, hey, start us there cali I,I do want to hear that I forgot
what I was talking about nowhen it, when it clicked in your
mind as a social kind of likethe, the work, or social
(21:02):
business, or when did it clickwhen did you see when?
Did kind of like, uh, what Godwas doing, when the
entrepreneurial, when the artistin you, when, when did all that
come together?
Callie Himsl (21:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So the important note I think alot of people associate Haiti
with a natural disaster, andthat natural disaster was an
earthquake and that was in um 20times.
So people were a lot of moneywas coming into haiti.
A lot of things were happeningin haiti, um and I'm sorry it
was 2012, but it's january 10th2012, um but so a lot of foreign
(21:35):
aid, so much foreign aid wascoming into haiti, and there's
all of these case studies aboutit and it's a very, it's very
much used as an example of whatwent wrong during that time.
And so it was like foreign aidwas coming in and it meant like,
okay, we're going to buy peoplerice, we're going to buy people
water, we're going to likewhatever, but there wasn't
(21:57):
necessarily this thought about along-term solution or long-term
sustainability.
And so there are a few people inthe country.
One of them was Shelly.
One of them, uh, was Shelly,shelly, jean, and she had
started, um, something wascalled the parent project at the
time and moved to Papillon, andso what she was doing was this,
this kind of this new idea?
I guess you could say, uh,about training people in artisan
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like how to make jewelry, howto make all these different
things, um, and were beingemployed and poverty, you know,
was being eradicated and thesepeople had dignity and they had
jobs for the first time, theywere learning soft skills, and
so I had gone to I think I likevisited the workshop.
It was fairly small at thattime, maybe only 20 people or so
(22:42):
.
So after I left the church tochurch partnership, I began
working with her and that'swhere I spent the majority of my
time in Haiti.
Collin (22:52):
So that kind of started for you in Haiti then, or was
that kind of okay, so so youstarted doing that, and then at
what point did did that kind oflead you back here?
Callie Himsl (23:06):
At what point did that kind of lead you back here?
Yeah, well, it's a littlecomplicated, but yeah.
So I was working there.
I fell in love with this ideaof like, oh my gosh, business
could, like, alleviate poverty,and a lot of people, I think,
were starting to put thosepieces together and this idea of
social business, socialentrepreneurship, really began
(23:27):
to come to light, and otherpeople throughout the world were
doing it or were able to nowput a vocabulary with it.
So, really, it's using businessas a means to either alleviate
poverty or help to solve asocial issue.
You don't have to be a nonprofit, you can be a for-profit.
I think there's a lot ofmisunderstanding about what that
(23:47):
looks like.
Um, I always say talk to yourtax person, like.
It really just comes down towhat paperwork you want to do,
um, but you can be a nonprofitand you can sell goods.
You can be a for-profit and youcan do social good, like, and
so it really just depends onwhat your goals are.
Um company.
So I was able to.
I call it the glory days ofHaiti, because it was just a
(24:09):
really incredible time where,like I said, a lot of money was
coming in.
We can debate on a laterpodcast about where that money
went.
But the point is is like therewas there was hope and there was
excitement and there werethings happening in the country,
and so I had the privilege ofworking with some really
incredible people.
Some former presidents camedown.
(24:30):
I got to work with SecretService, which was so cool.
Vogue was there.
Donna Karan of DKNY yeah.
Heredes (24:39):
Yeah, you can't just say I work for Secret Service
and just keep going, right,colin?
Callie Himsl (24:44):
Well, because I work for Secret Service, we have
a clause.
Heredes (24:47):
I know Now, you told us , so it's not a secret.
So tell me more.
Callie Himsl (24:52):
No, we can't, Because I don't want to say it,
because it was Bill Clinton andthey're trying to tell him that
he was part of the Epstein thing.
Heredes (25:00):
I don't want people to think I was involved in this.
I'm glad you heard that promotune into the podcast for the
non-profit renaissance let it beknown.
Callie Himsl (25:11):
Let it be known, no connection no connection, but
I mean, regardless of your uhstance, it's pretty cool to see
a president, a former president,yeah, yeah, all right, we'll
talk offline after this.
Outro (25:33):
No, I'm kidding, just mess around.
Heredes (25:34):
I love that.
Callie Himsl (25:36):
Go ahead.
I don't even remember what Iwas saying.
Go ahead, colin, you were goingto say something.
Collin (25:42):
Well, so let's talk about, let's kind of lean into
social entrepreneurship socialenterprise, because this might
even be.
I mean, I remember when you andI first talked it was even a
newer idea for me, and so it'sprobably it might be a newer
idea for some who are listening.
You gave a pretty gooddescription.
It's a fairly simple idea.
Again, using business as a wayto make an impact in the world.
(26:06):
Yeah, is there a distinctionbetween someone, a social
entrepreneur, and what they'redoing and just like a typical
nonprofit?
Would you say a typicalnonprofit is a type of social
enterprise or is that kind oflike a different thing, like a
different headspace or mindsetfocus?
What would you say?
Callie Himsl (26:27):
That's a good question.
Nobody's ever asked me thatbefore.
That's a good question.
Nobody's ever asked me thatbefore.
Yeah, I mean, I think, what yourintention it all comes down to
like why does the entity exist?
So, if it's a business or anonprofit or a not-for-profit or
whatever you want to call it,like why does it exist?
Like what's the end goal?
And like I think about do youremember, like Now we Can All
(26:48):
Age Ourselves like Tom's Shoesyou know that was, that was like
one of the first age has anentire closet just dedicated to
tom's, one of the first to comeout, to be like that, really
opened up, like the mainstream,to say, like, wait a second, we
can.
We can still function as asociety and buy our cool shoes
(27:11):
and do what we want to do, butwe can also do good, like within
that.
So I think it really just comesdown to, um, what your end goal
is.
For sure, a lot of timesnonprofits are set up to solve
like a social issue, essentially, Right.
Um, I think like my biggesttakeaway would be that that
somebody would take away fromthis part of the conversation
would be that you don't have tobe a specific type of person to
(27:37):
give back, and I think that'swhat we're told a lot.
We have to be like a missionaryor we have to be a social
worker or something reallyspecific, and I think people who
are bookkeepers have anincredible talent that I don't
have.
Like people who can doconstruction, like whatever it
is, whatever your talent is,there's a space and a place for
you to give back, and I think,like, whether that is for a
(28:01):
nonprofit, whether that's toyour neighbor or whoever it is,
like you don't have to be aspecific person with a specific
skill set, like, at the end ofthe day, today you go out and
you do something good and that'slike the whole point of it.
Collin (28:15):
So, at the risk of sounding super lame, right, you
could, you could kind of saylike it's, it's not a phase.
It's a lifestyle type of thing,right, so would that be a you
know?
So for those who are, who arelistening, it sounds like what
you're saying is, it's not evennecessarily like this whole like
(28:36):
venture, that you know that ifyou're kind of like, well, I
don't know, or I don't have, orI don't want to, like, start
something, to then like enactthis right, like, so it's like
you know there's a way to dothis.
And now does that go beyondjust being someone who donates?
What's the difference betweenlike okay, well, I just want to
(28:56):
be someone who donates my money.
Is there like a distinctionthere?
So talk to someone who mightnot be in the place where
they're saying I want to startan organization or I want to
start a business with thisparticular thing, I say, good,
don't, you're very wise.
Callie Himsl (29:14):
Yeah, I'm not sure if the world needs another
non-profit, uh.
But I mean and that's what I'mlike like trying so hard to
articulate and I'm not sure howto say it but like the sense of
like I did it right, like I didlike the christian missionary
thing.
I left everything, I soldeverything, I moved to a
developing country and I livedwith no hot water and
electricity and all these thingsfor so many years and like got
(29:35):
all this trauma from it.
But like I did it and I livedit and like on the other side of
that I realized like youactually don't have to, I'm glad
I did and it was for me and itreally was who I believe God
created me to be, and likeabsolutely was who I believe God
created me to be, and likeabsolutely.
(29:56):
But my hope would be, if you arethat donor and you work at a
bank and you are just trying tosend your kids to college and
that's what you're doing and youwant to like help somebody to
get to Africa on their missiontrip, like you need that too.
Like it all kind of works inunison and I think that God uses
us at different times and indifferent areas and in different
seasons for that skill set.
I think it's just important tolisten to what that inside
tuition is inside of you.
(30:17):
I remember at a Bible studybefore I had all of these
experiences, I was like talkingabout missions and whatever, and
I remember saying to this girlI said you mean, if somebody
knocked on your door and said doyou want to move to China
tomorrow?
You'd say no.
And she was like no, why would,would I?
And I was like I thoughteverybody felt like that and she
was like no, and that waseye-opening for me because I was
(30:38):
like, oh, I should probablylisten to this like maybe I need
therapy, like I don't know what.
What's?
What's wrong with me?
China?
Collin (30:47):
not everyone is like yeah, uh, so, so where did where
does someone start then?
Right?
Or like you know, what does itlook like for you to help
someone with this?
Or to work with a business?
Right, because it seems like alot of times you'll come into,
you know a business, will hireyou to consult and kind of like,
(31:09):
help them figure out.
How do we use this to create?
This impact Like what is that?
You know what's the process forsomebody?
Callie Himsl (31:18):
Yeah, thanks for asking.
You know, when I was, I hadresigned from my position at the
organization around 2018.
And I had all of this like lifeexperience, but I had no like
actual credentials, I would saylike in the American eye, and so
I put myself back in school, um, and ended up getting a degree
(31:40):
in community advocacy and socialpolicy, um, through the school
of social work, and it was sucha therapeutic experience for me
because, you know, you're havingthese papers that are like just
the most like in-depthintellectual, like why does
poverty exist and how do we,like you know, get rid of it,
and all these, and like it wasso therapeutic because I was
(32:00):
like, oh my gosh, this is whatI've been experiencing every day
for eight years, you know.
And like the funniest part islike you're, you have to like
peer review, you know.
And like this 21 year old islike I went to bucky's the other
day and think you know liketheir life experiences.
It's just like, oh my gosh, like, and you just like saw five
people die on the street, likeso it's just wild.
So it was really, really, uhtherapeutic for me to to gain
(32:24):
that, but also really helpful,uh, for me as well, because I
had this degree in graphicdesign and communications and
then now I had this degree insocial justice, essentially so
really beginning to pair thosetwo.
During my time in Haiti, I wasable to travel a lot outside of
Haiti as well and go to a lot ofdifferent conferences for
(32:45):
people who were like-minded, andwhen I realized during that
time, too, was like, oh, eventhough we're in different
countries and different cultures, we're all experiencing so many
of the same problems, trying tohelp alleviate some of these
social issues.
And so I naturally fell intothis area of consulting.
I walk alongside of them, forwherever they're at, there's
(33:13):
some people who are justthinking about starting a
business or a nonprofit, or theysee a social issue that they're
passionate about they want tohelp on.
Maybe that means I connect themto a nonprofit that already
exists.
Maybe I help walk them throughwhat that looks like.
A lot of my skill set is inbranding and marketing, so I use
this analogy a lot, where maybesomebody's like in Cambodia,
(33:33):
they're rescuing women from sextrafficking and they're teaching
the women how to make braceletsand the bracelets are sold to
help, you know, bring themincome so they don't have to
move back into this area of sextrafficking, and but their
website's terrible and nobodyknows they exist and so, like
they're never going to sell abracelet and these, you know.
So the women are not.
You know, there's not, it's nota sustainable model.
So a lot of times it's like itreally and maybe you guys have
(33:57):
this experience you think it'sjust setting up a website or
whatever that looks like.
But it's really helping thatthat completely depleted and
exhausted nonprofit people whoare wearing a hundred different
hats and doing a hundreddifferent things, people who are
wearing a hundred differenthats and doing a hundred
different things.
You're showing them what theycan be.
You're showing them like, oh mygosh, I can be just as good as
(34:19):
any brand.
I can sell something thatactually and you help them
develop their story and you helpthem communicate all of the
things that they've experiencedover the years, because people
need to hear these stories.
They're incredible and it's away to be a liaison to connect
the two worlds.
Right, you know, maybe thatperson in Kansas who's you know
again working at the bank,trying to get their kids into
college or whatever, but theyhave a passion and like they can
(34:41):
buy the bracelet.
Right, you're connecting thesetwo worlds that would never have
been able to connect before.
Collin (34:46):
Yeah, would you say that a lot of businesses that you
work with kind of already have,like, the desire to make the
impact, or they're even likethey're already working towards
it, and it's just a matter oflike, well, you know, of helping
them actually put that intoaction or helping them see,
maybe, blind spots where it'slike you know, I see what you
want to do.
(35:06):
This is stopping you.
How do we get from here to here?
Callie Himsl (35:10):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I think a lot of it becomeskind of therapy, right, because
if you, if you're a nonprofitleader, like and you're hearing
this like you're not alone, likeI know you're wearing 100
different hats, I know thatyou're like absolutely exhausted
at night, like things arekeeping you awake and you know
(35:30):
your self care is coming last,and I think like so much of them
is just like being in tears,being like I put my heart and
soul into this, like now what doI do?
And again that that helped likethat idea of like helping
somebody see themselves anew forthe first time, to be like I
can.
I can do this, I have beendoing this.
Um, it's so special.
Collin (35:54):
Yeah.
So to encourage those out therenonprofit leaders, if you're in
a place where you're strugglingor maybe you're beginning to
kind of doubt the vision thatyou had, a lot of times, it's
not necessarily that the visionwasn't there, the vision wasn't
the right one, it's justsometimes you need somebody to
help you kind of take whereyou're at now and move forward.
(36:15):
And I think that's one of thebenefits of working with someone
like you, callie, or workingwith an agency like Verse is
being able to have someone whosays, like we've been here
before, man, we can specializein this.
You specialize in your vision,you specialize in what the
impact that you've wanted tomake in your heart for years and
years and years and let someother people come in and help
you do that thing.
(36:35):
It's huge, it's impactful.
Heredes (36:39):
Cal, thanks for sharing .
We love partnering with artists, creatives, who have the
worldview and experience thatyou have, so I appreciate you
sharing from that experience andfrom that heart, which is
important.
Where do you see?
You kind of answered throughoutour time together, but where do
you see the future of socialentrepreneurship heading,
(37:03):
particularly with nonprofitgrowth, with community impact?
And what's kind of your pulse,what's your feel and where's it
going?
Callie Himsl (37:13):
Good question.
I think it's only going to grow.
I think, um people are lookingfor authenticity, um people are
looking for purpose.
Uh, not to sound like a boomer,but you know, like the
generation, the generation that.
Heredes (37:27):
Okay, mom Okay.
Callie Himsl (37:31):
Yeah, I feel like the generation that is like the
millennials and like coming up,you know, it's like that idea of
like wanting to live a life onpurpose.
I think it's only going to growand I think that the idea again
is like you don't have toreinvent the wheel, like you can
(37:53):
already do what you're doingand you can do it well, and like
you can focus in on one smallthing and like, push in, push
into that, like don't.
I feel like people getparalyzed sometimes where they
think that they're going to getto a stage to get ready to give
back or to move into that lifeof purpose and I it does, it
(38:17):
doesn't happen.
Like we're no better thananybody else.
I didn't do anything betterthan anybody else, like I just
like did this stupid thingbecause I was 27,.
You know what I mean.
Like.
So I don't want people to getstuck to think like that people
who are quote, unquote, unquotelike changing the world are
doing some amazing, like amazingthings are any different than
anybody else.
They're not like everybody.
Like whether they're trust meand I've worked with, like
(38:39):
whether you're a massivecorporation or you're a small
little non-profit with threepeople like everybody's, just
everybody, learning as they goand like nobody has it together
more together than anybody else.
Most basically nobody has ittogether.
So everybody out there else,most basically nobody has it
together.
So everybody out there is doinga good job, good job.
Collin (38:56):
And we're going to end it right there the world is
burning.
Callie Himsl (38:59):
No one has it together.
Collin (39:01):
And we'll see you guys next time.
Heredes (39:04):
No, Colin, you claim you have it together, bro, Like
you've told me I've heard yourepisodes that you have it all
figured out and it's told me.
Collin (39:10):
I've heard your episodes that you have it all figured
out and it's, it's, it's thefacade I put on to feel better
about myself.
And you know, I guess we're, Iguess we're all doing therapy
today.
Heredes (39:22):
Sponsored by better help.
Collin (39:26):
I don't think there's been an episode where H hasn't
declared a sponsor that we havethat we don't actually have.
Heredes (39:33):
There's a madness.
Outro (39:36):
There's quite a bit of you know we got 30,000 sponsors.
Heredes (39:42):
They're in the pipeline .
Collin (39:43):
They're in the pipeline.
Heredes (39:45):
Real talk before Kellen wraps up.
Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate that.
We love laughter.
Laughter is whatever therapyand medicine for the soul, or
chicken soup for the soul one ofthose um, so yeah, chicken
that's old school right there Iknow it's like now we're really
dating ourselves my mom justbecame a became a raving fan of
(40:06):
this podcast.
With that one mention, she'slike I think we should listen
yeah, they're probably lookingto sponsor yeah no, seriously,
thanks for sharing, thanks for,uh, how can um before colin kind
of wraps us up and how canpeople find you?
How can people connect with you?
Uh, if they're listening, ifyou're listening and you're hard
connected, you know, with, withkelly's heart and kind of her
(40:27):
mission and her passion, wherecan they find you?
Callie Himsl (40:31):
yeah, I would love to connect with you Um hear
about whatever stage you are at,either personally or as a
business or nonprofit.
Um, we have a company calledHark Creative Council H-A-R-K.
Creativecouncilcom.
Um, you can get in touch withme right out there.
Collin (40:47):
Awesome Well, you heard it here so much incredible
wisdom, and I mean again,someone who's lived the life
this isn't just, you know, thissounds like a cool idea Someone
who's been there, who's done it.
And so Callie, again, like H,is saying thank you so much for
joining us and thank you forlistening week in and week out.
(41:10):
It's a pleasure to have youevery time.
So, thank you so much.
We will see you next time onthe Nonprofit Renaissance.
See you later.
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