June 12, 2024 • 33 mins
Celebrate our 30th episode milestone of the Nonprofit Renaissance! Revisit moments with Chris and Taylor Dobson of Elevation Church on balancing creativity and leadership, and World Series MVP Ben Zobrist about his transition from sports to nonprofit work with Champion Forward, sharing insights on handling pressures faced by young athletes. We reminisce about haveing Lisa, the fundraising rebel, on talking about transformative fundraising strategies and how a personal trip reshaped her donor experience approach. Discover the inspiring story of Eugene and the Watoto organization, highlighting faith and perseverance.
Concluding our special episode, we revisit episodes where Roy Jones and David Lopez provided expert advice on donor engagement and wealth stewardship, emphasizing personalized communication and relationship-building amidst the "great wealth migration." Tim Foote and Brooke Hodenfield of Slingshot Group discuss innovative strategies for talent recruitment and remote work, offering creative solutions for building strong, mission-driven teams. Tune in to celebrate impactful conversations that have shaped our podcast journey!
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Heredes (00:11):
welcome back.
Thanks for pressing play.
Uh, maybe this is on 2x alreadybecause that's how you've
enjoyed the non-profitrenaissance.
Maybe you're at 0.5 because wespeak too fast already as it is
so you've got to slow us down.
Collin (00:23):
Should we talk really slow I?
Heredes (00:28):
think we should.
Let's not waste our time.
Colin, welcome to the NonprofitRenaissance, glad you're here.
My name is H and I am Colin,helping nonprofit leaders all
around the world go further,grow faster.
Part two episode.
Here we had a special specialguest on part one jenny, go back
(00:48):
and listen tell, give us a 20second recap.
Collin (00:51):
Well, I'll just I'll let you go back and find out.
We, we like we said, weinterviewed a very special guest
.
We might have just let the nameslip, uh but and it's not.
Heredes (00:59):
It's not what you think it is.
It's not what you think it is,and it wasn't as smooth as you
thought it sounded, yeah how'sthat?
Collin (01:06):
so I think that's accurate yeah so.
So go back and and listen tothat, if you haven't yet.
Heredes (01:10):
Uh, and then come back to this one would you say it was
like our best slash, worst andeasiest slash, most difficult
episode ever probably yes, Ithink so.
Collin (01:18):
It was both the easiest and difficult, both the best and
the worst.
No, it's not the worst worst.
It was great, but we are stillcontinuing to celebrate our 30th
episode, even though it'stechnically isn't the 30th
episode, whatever.
Video Look Back (01:33):
It's a bonus.
It's a bonus episode.
Collin (01:34):
It's a bonus episode because we wanted to make a big
deal, because we've got 30episodes of the nonprofit
renaissance making an impact inthe nonprofit world, helping
nonprofit leaders go further andgrow faster.
So we just wanted to celebratea little bit and so I figured
we'd take a trip down memorylane today.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - W (01:51):
Yeah , yeah oh there's a soundtrack
well, yeah, what song do?
Heredes (01:58):
you want to cue behind this like a little hoppy pola
negative uh so if we had a themesong for the season?
If there was a theme, we have atheme song for the intro, but a
theme song for the season whatwould it be?
Collin (02:12):
If you heard that popular Irish kid song, that's
that's going around now.
That's happening.
The group of Irish kids thatI'm not on Tik TOK, oh, come on,
get with it.
Heredes (02:26):
Sing it for me, get with it.
Can we cut?
Collin (02:28):
to a clip.
Okay, so it's wild dude, it'swild.
I would say that would be ours,but that's only because it's
trending right now.
Uh, a theme song, what would beour theme song, I don't know.
Um, uh, I think friends arefriends forever, I think, but
maybe something that's a littlemore contentious than that,
because, you know, it's possiblethat people think that we're
not friends.
I don't know no maybe they,maybe they get our sarcasm maybe
(02:49):
, but I think it's been.
Heredes (02:50):
It's been a controversial season, it's been
a growth season, it's been a fun, it's been learning, uh.
So it's hard to put that into asong.
Maybe I have to be just a kanyewest instrumental we'll have ai
write one for us, well.
Collin (03:03):
Well, maybe maybe you can do, maybe maybe we can do it
, like you know, right now likereal time I don't know.
We'll see um well, if I can,man, if I can, if I can
multitask well enough, which Idoubt I can, I'm sure you can't
have, I'll have some at the end.
But if you're listening.
Heredes (03:19):
here's a quick recap.
We wanted to kind of go downmemory lane.
Like colin said, just highlightsome of the takeaways, some
some things that stuck with us,some of our favorite episodes
yes, and quotes and takeawaysand some of yours, some of the
popular episodes, popular guests, some of those who've got
comments, emails, people talkingabout.
We wanted to honor that andthank you guys again for being a
part of growing this community,this audience, and helping each
(03:39):
other.
Truthfully, it's about that.
It's about us sharing our bestpractices, our worst failures,
helping us grow faster and gofurther.
Collin (03:47):
So why don't we start with some honorable mentions?
Okay, we're going to deep diveinto some of these, but some
honorable mentions that, someones that we really, really
enjoyed.
We interviewed Chris and TaylorDobson, the creative directors
at Elevation Church in NorthCarolina.
We talked about just creativityand leadership how to balance
(04:11):
that.
That was such a fun episode.
Heredes (04:13):
Great insights on budgeting, on preparing, on
putting together big,large-scale productions for
nonprofits.
Collin (04:17):
Preparing and knowing when to stop preparing and just
let it happen.
Heredes (04:23):
Very good episode Just go for it.
Collin (04:25):
We also were able.
This was a good one.
This was a fun one for mebecause he's a fanboy.
I'm a little bit of a fanboy.
I grew up in Florida, born andraised in Tampa, and so we had
Ben Zobrist on World Series MVP.
It was not the World Series MVPHockey right, hockey, yeah it.
Hockey right.
(04:45):
Hockey.
Yeah, it's a different type ofhockey.
You still use a stick and hitan object World Series baseball
MVP Football.
You know Easy, now You're asoccer guy.
But we did get to interview BenZobrist, a guy that I grew up
watching on the Rays, and heeventually went and won a few
World Series, was the MVP andnow he's.
(05:07):
They lead a nonprofit.
He created a nonprofit calledChampion Forward, helping other
young athletes to be able todeal with some of the pressures
that he faced and that he dealtwith growing up.
Heredes (05:19):
Super practical.
I remember walking away withthat, thinking about my boys who
are in sports as well, and thebalance of being that tough
coach dad, setting expectationsof victory and championships
versus the mental capacity,emotional capacity these kids
have, and for us to just be dador mom and loving and caring and
being there for them past thesport, because the sport will
fade away, the athleticism willwind down.
Collin (05:42):
So very episode and uh love what champion ford is doing
and it wasn't just for parentsof athletes, it was, I mean,
there was it's a non-profit.
They had some really greatthings to say for non-profit
leaders and that went as well.
Video Look Back (05:53):
And last honorable mention, oh, you took
the lead on this.
I need you to pronounce hername though because it's a great
organization out of miami.
Heredes (06:00):
Uh, friends of friends and um, I've heard about them
for years, so it was great tosit down Pronounce her name.
Collin (06:05):
You know, we don't have to make this a routine on the
show If it's a Spanish or Asianor African name.
Heredes (06:14):
We ask Colin, because that's his heritage.
Collin (06:17):
All of those.
Her name is Nicole de Lara.
Heredes (06:21):
Puente Amazing bro.
See, this has been so good.
This podcast has been so goodfor you.
Trash Duolingo.
I knew it's free, but you gottrue Duolingo here.
Collin (06:32):
Yeah, shame really works .
Heredes (06:33):
Shame really works.
Shame really helps you On thespot.
Collin (06:35):
But she is the executive director of Live, Like Bella.
You might have heard of it.
It went viral a few years ago.
Yeah, actually.
Heredes (06:41):
LeBron James put a hashtag on his shoe and the
thing exploded.
And today, because of Bella,you know, the support for cancer
awareness and research anddevelopment all across the world
has been incredible, and themillions and what they've been
able to do to nurture that, toraise the funds and to connect
the right tools, doctors,resources, to the patients, to
the hospitals it's beenfantastic.
(07:03):
So shout out toLiveLikeBellaorg.
Collin (07:06):
Check out all of those organizations Elevation Church
in North Carolina, championForward, live Like Bella those
are really great nonprofits thatare doing really great things.
Should we talk?
Dive into some episodes?
Heredes (07:17):
Yeah, we'll highlight some and you can kind of we'll
put some markers here so you canfind out some of our favorites
and some highlights that trulyhelped us and that we heard from
our audience, that they put topractice and they were made
aware for the first time.
But one of the most popular,one of the most fun she got so
much engagement online and loveand if you listen you'll know
why.
The most rebellious yes, she isthe fundraising rebel, Actually
(07:40):
scheduled for next seasonalready because she's that
popular.
Collin (07:43):
I think she might be the first episode of season three.
Oh snap is that I love it,which is perfect for us, because
we're kicking off strong lisapronounce her last name colin
yeah, yes, I feel like you justdo it because you can't do it,
it's stuck them in yes thefundraising rebel.
Heredes (08:02):
Listen now, besides all the practical, and to share
some of the your highlightsthere, colin.
But even our conversation, herbackground in theater uh, she's
from chicago.
In pizza uh, just such anengaging and fun uh leader to
talk to and successful in in herrealm and in her network.
So I can't wait to share someof the things we learned with
her, even since then and thatwe'll share in the next episode.
Collin (08:23):
If you want great insights in fundraising for your
nonprofit, that's a greatepisode to listen to.
If you want insights on how tomake real authentic Chicago deep
dish pizza, that's a goodepisode to listen to.
We got it all for you.
We're doing it all.
That's it.
But we also talked aboutmeaningful donor experiences in
that one that was reallymemorable for me and she
actually shared an example ofhow, of a meaningful experience
(08:47):
that she had, that now shecarries that example into her
work as a fundraiser.
And she was talking about, youknow, she worked for a nonprofit
that helps children dealingwith starvation and malnutrition
.
They provide meals for them andfor their families,
conservation and malnutrition,they provide meals for them and
for their families.
And so they went down to thatcountry where that nonprofit was
(09:09):
working and they got to see,you know, their workshops, see
kind of their operation, whatthey were doing.
And while they were down thereone of the kilns had broken and
they weren't able to have theproduction that they normally
would have, and so they meantthey probably would have to lay
off some workers.
It wasn't just, you know, herewe'd say, oh, it's broken, let's
send it off, let's get it fixed.
(09:29):
That was not the case there, itwas it's broken Like we.
You know, we gotta, we gottastop something, we gotta shut
something down.
And so while they were there,one of the VPs on the trip, he
started just going around andsaid, hey, look, this is not
going to go to our organization,but if you believe in feeding
children, if you believe inhelping children live and have a
(09:50):
meal, then this has to workagain.
This kiln has to be fixed.
And he went individually topeople on that trip and said,
hey, would you be able to give?
Would you be?
Had those conversations?
One of those conversations waswith Lisa's husband.
One of those conversations waswith Lisa's husband and it made
such an impact on them that sheremembers it today and it even
guides her in her own work toensure that she's not just
(10:14):
getting money from people.
She's helping people havemeaningful experience as donors,
connecting what they want to doand the heart that they have
and making that fit.
Heredes (10:24):
I love it, colin.
Another question guest thatstands out for me and I've known
of them for years and I've metEugene several years ago as well
.
Uh is the Watoto episode and uhsuch great work.
And he's the executive directorhere in the West in the U S and
the United States and uh, we'llhear from him in a second cut
(10:44):
to some clips.
But besides the music andbesides um, a lot of the
ministry and kids in the churchin Watoto, it was great to hear
kind of the founder story andhow kind of God you know nudged
his heart to start everything.
That's Watoto today, right.
Collin (11:00):
Yeah, and I mean I love that, the opportunity that we
get on this episode to justlearn about these things,
because I didn't know very much.
I'd like heard Watoto veryvaguely but I didn't know
anything about it, and so justgetting to hear the story and
hopefully there were some of youthat were in that same place
where you didn't know about itand now you do and hopefully
you're interacting with it.
But yeah, the founder's storywas so incredible like such a
(11:23):
great level of faith, the faiththat they were walking in and
they were just saying yes to Godover and over and over again,
even when they didn't know whatwas happening, and so we got a
little clip here, that we'llplay where he kind of tells us a
little bit about that Fastforward to the church that the
church has planted.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - W (11:39):
They began, you know, 10 years in,
they began caring for children.
And again, I guess the Lordthis is Gary's account of the
story is that God spoke to himand said you need to put
together a group of kids as achoir and travel the world and
tell the world what God is doingin Uganda.
And so he shared the idea withMarilyn, and this is an amazing,
(11:59):
amazing story of faith.
Marilyn went to the BritishAirways office.
Now this time, they're a smallto medium-sized church in Uganda
, but not a lot of resource.
They don't have money just togo flying all over the world.
And so they went to the BritishAirways office in Kampala and
explained what their goal was.
We want to take a group oforphaned children around the
(12:20):
world and share this story.
And so she said but we don'thave money.
Can we buy tickets on credit?
And once after the tour isfinished, we'll have revenue to
pay for the tickets.
And they said, yeah, we can dothat.
And they asked where do you wantto go?
And she's like oh, I hadn'tthought of that.
(12:40):
So she said do you have a map?
So they brought a map out ofNorth America and she said
Chicago's in the middle of aflight to Chicago?
No way.
So they.
They brought this group ofchildren and a group of adults.
They were the chaperones andthe band.
They took the sound system outof their church.
Remember, there's no officehere, there's no bus waiting for
them, there's no staff herewith bookings.
They arrived in Chicago withoutany concerts booked, stop.
(13:03):
And this was back in the day ofphone booths and yellow pages.
What year was this?
This is 94.
Heredes (13:08):
Wow, different world.
They didn't have an iPhone orthey couldn't go on Google and
search for top 100.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Wat (13:13):
He goes to the phone booth and
starts calling churches in theYellow Pages and says we just
landed at the airport with agroup of orphaned children from
Uganda.
Can we come and sing at yourchurch?
That's incredible, a completestep of faith.
And so this is the foundationof our ministry, is our founder
is completely faithful to God'scalling.
Collin (13:35):
Amazing, that's awesome.
Hearing stories like that isemboldening for my own faith and
just being able to see thatthere are people who are willing
to follow God on the missionthat he's calling them to, to
follow God on the mission thathe's calling them to, and then
being able to connect that to anorganization like Watoto and
(13:56):
say, look what those yeses did,look at what those yeses how
it's resulted in an incrediblething.
What do we got next?
Roy Jones, roy, what a man.
So many takeaways, oh man.
Heredes (14:07):
Talk about.
You know I did not know Roytill the day the podcast came to
the studio.
Such a great, great man and funguy to hang Feels like a guy
you can kick back and just talkshop forever, which we did.
You guys didn't even get tolisten to the entire.
Maybe one day we'll dodirector's cut, but the quotes
and the takeaways have stuckwith me.
I've used and talked as we'redoing, you know, networking and
(14:29):
helping our clients, but I wantto share some of the top ones
that um we took and I think inthe previous episode I don't
know if we got to talk about it,but our guests on the previous
episode even share how this wasa lot.
You know in the digital world welive today, trying to get
people's emails and phonenumbers and develop that still
the relevant and the powerful umimpact of still having
(14:50):
someone's address and theinformation that we're able to
gather with the address fromdonor.
You know income levels andcapacity and opportunity and I
think just in some ways kind ofthe old school and how it's
still working.
But then how not to avoid orignore the relevant digital
what's happening today.
So Roy did an incredible job.
(15:11):
I recommend he's linked up hereso you can.
But let me a couple of quoteshere.
One is one of the worstmistakes we make in fundraising
is this is asking a millionairefor a $25 gift and he says and
we do it all the time, right Formajor donors, they don't.
If they don't come from my list, they come from your list and
they don't give money away, theymake investments.
(15:32):
And that was such a greatreminder.
They're not giving money away,they're making investments and,
to be sure, go for the bold ask.
Know their capacity, know wherethey are, know where they stand
, because they will give itsomewhere else if you don't ask.
Collin (15:42):
Yeah, and again that's like you got to know who they
are and know what their capacityis is.
I think a lot of times it's notthat we see a millionaire and
we only want $25.
Heredes (15:53):
It's just, we don't know anything.
There's no relationship right?
Collin (15:54):
We haven't done research , we haven't built a
relationship, so make the boldask.
But he also talked aboutlistening to their passion Love
this it's about their passion,not yours.
You don't need a big PowerPointdeck.
You don't need to listen towhat the donor is passionate
about Nine times out of 10, theyalready know what they want to
do.
They're just waiting forsomeone to ask them.
(16:16):
They've already said yes.
They're just waiting for you tosay will you be the one to say
yes to me?
Heredes (16:24):
And in some ways it's talk less, listen more.
So listen to their passion andthen, at the right time, when
it's time to ask.
Collin (16:30):
Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more.
So listen to their passion andthen, at the right time, when
it's time to ask.
Heredes (16:35):
Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more.
If you're a Hamilton fan, ah,there you go.
I just want to be in the roomwhere it happens.
You know what I'm saying.
And then he also talked aboutsegmentation and treating donors
like who they actually are andwe've got to drop the masks and
trying to treat the masks likeand losing them, they'll get
fatigued, they'll be treatedlike a generic person and that's
what you'll get a genericresponse or no response.
(16:56):
He says we treat big donorslike regular donors by sending
them all the same e-blasts anddirect mail.
It is our job to find out whothey are, create unique
messaging.
The bigger capacity donors getbigger projects to look at and
regular donors get smallerprojects.
The bigger donors they don'twant you spending money on them.
Look at that.
And that was not a popularthought because some people said
(17:17):
well, we've got to donor,develop and give them the big
gifts.
Collin (17:19):
Wine and dine.
Heredes (17:20):
They are investors.
The communication with themshould be personalized, not a
mass marketing piece.
It should look like thepresident sat down and sent them
a personal message.
The president sat down and sentthem a personal message.
Yeah, incredible.
Sounds like you know, simple,but we neglect that in the
growth and in the strategy andin the hustle of chasing.
I highly recommend Roy Jones'episode.
So many more takeaways therefrom Roy Jones.
Collin (17:41):
Yeah, from FunFit they're always going to wait for
you to make the ask who do wegot next?
We also talked to theincredible someone that I met
through this podcast, someonethat you've known for a while,
but it's David Lopez, and heworks for Generis and he helps
churches and organizations getthe funding they need for the
(18:02):
projects that they're trying todo, and this was a great episode
on building a legacy andcultivating stewardship of
wealth for organizations.
He talked this was mind-blowingfor me he talked about this
idea of the great wealthmigration that we're coming up
on this time, in the next 15, 20years.
They are anticipating listen tothis number, because it's not
(18:28):
going to mean anything to you.
It's not going to make anysense.
They're anticipating $32 to $35trillion passing from one
generation to the next and wherethe possibilities of that going
are.
Think about that.
Think of all the billionaires.
Right, that's pennies in thepocket of this, of this, this
(18:52):
mass of money, and it's 32 to 35.
Heredes (18:55):
It's an incredible amount of money and I love the
space that he's living in andhelping philanthropy, charity
foundations, organizations,nonprofits, steward that go
after that money that willeither remain there, go on, you
know, unclaimed, or go back togovernment that's just sitting
there, not, you know.
Collin (19:15):
I love this, not needing it, but go ahead, he said.
He said uh, you may not have aplan for your money, but I
promise you somebody doesexactly.
Somebody has a plan for yourmoney, so you better make sure
you should.
Heredes (19:25):
Yeah, listen listen to that episode.
It's a fantastic one.
He also talks about how ourbiggest gift to the kingdom
hasn't happened yet and that waswas kind of encouraging but
also like discouraging but alsoconfused.
But then he explains that ourbiggest gift actually happens on
the day we go home, when wepass, and we don't know it yet.
But without that plan in placeit won't happen.
Our plan for the kingdom impactwill not be honored without the
(19:48):
clarity and the attention andthe stewardship it deserves.
So I love that space he livesin, because sometimes it's
neglected.
We don't think of it as like oh, it's not going to fix tomorrow
, but that long-term planstrategy in managing wealth and
philanthropically, whether theendowments or whether their
trust in the states, of how thatimpacts organizations like the
ones from our listeners.
Collin (20:06):
I love it because it reminded us that it's not just
about what we do today.
It's about what we leave behindus also matters a great deal.
Who do we got next?
Heredes (20:14):
We got one more, another friend and a leader and
a successful, successful man ofGod father, husband and another
one that I asked you topronounce his name, colin, and
let's give it a shot.
Who is it?
And you almost got canceled forit.
Collin (20:28):
I almost got canceled for this one because it's Robert
Padron Padron.
It's Robert Padron Padron.
However, the way he set it upmade me think that I was
supposed to say Robert.
Heredes (20:40):
Padron, which put you on the spot, because I'm like
why would you assume that, colin?
Yeah, exactly, come on man, italmost got canceled.
Collin (20:47):
And then he responded with my mom is directly from
America, so she has neverpronounced my name with a
Spanish accent.
And that's when Colin hit underthe table and I went like this
never pronounce my name with aSpanish accent.
Heredes (20:54):
And that's when Colin hit under the table and
disappeared for the rest.
But Robert, so many greatinsights for a very important
part of our nonprofits andministries which is volunteers
and landing not just anyvolunteer, not just quantity,
but quality, high capacityvolunteers which he is, which he
has demonstrated.
So we got some insights fromhim on having the mission being
(21:15):
clear, so not just to put peoplein place, but what is the
clarity of mission?
And I think it's alwaysimportant that a leader gets
that, specifically with anorganization who's trying to
achieve something great.
Collin (21:26):
It's another one of those things that it's like, oh
well, duh.
But then the people who aresaying, oh well, duh, there's a
good chance that your mission isclear to you, but it's not
clear to the ones who you needto actually help you complete
your mission.
Is your mission actually clear?
Do people know what you'redoing?
And that connects with thesecond one Does your mission or
(21:47):
what your organization do, isthat creating desire within
people?
Is there a way for you to matchwhat your organization is doing
with people who have thatpassion?
They're not going to know thatif your mission isn't clear, and
they're also not going to knowthat if you haven't gone to them
in the past, and what thatmeans is if there's a vague
invitation, you'll get vagueresponses.
Heredes (22:05):
You'll get wrong people trying to meet a need.
If you're recruiting for theband, you don't just recruit
anybody.
You can't just put anybody canjoin no, of course not.
You need musicians who areactually going to be skilled in
that same goal.
So if you have an actual clearneed, make a clear invitation, a
clear call and very specific tothe skills.
And they're out there.
It's just about going back.
Collin (22:26):
I mean that is like a magnet for good volunteers, that
having that clear mission andthat clear need that is how you
get them.
They're going to see that ifyou don't have it, they're going
to see it a mile away andthey're going to go somewhere
else.
Heredes (22:41):
And it's interesting because it seems so simple and,
for those of you who have beenin it, we get lost in the
repetitiveness and the rut.
It's like, oh, we just needhelp, come serve.
Come join our mission.
Okay, join our mission.
Video Look Back (22:56):
What is that To Mars?
Are we going to Mars or?
Heredes (22:58):
are you mission to?
It's a specificity, really, andit's like we need this type of
person to do this kind of work,to help this kind of need.
Collin (23:07):
Well, here's the thing.
It also gives me theinformation I need to know oh
that's a no for me.
Heredes (23:12):
Oh, that's a no for me Correct.
Collin (23:13):
That's not my passion, so I know I don't have to waste
time figuring that out.
I don't have to waste threemonths of my life doing that the
vetting of course.
Because now I can go over hereand say oh no, this is where my
passion lies.
Another really great episode iswe.
It's our most, this is our most.
Heredes (23:33):
Well, high profile, would you say.
Collin (23:34):
High profile and most attended guest.
I've been saying that in thedumbest way possible, but we've
had him on the most times andit's Justin Price, our
incredible leader, ceo of VerseCreative.
He's the gift that keeps ongiving, but he came on and we
did a series.
Juicy J, juicy, justin.
Is he paying you to say thisstuff, maybe?
Heredes (23:54):
well, I mean well, in a way, in a way, my contract does
not have that.
So this is from the bottom ofmy heart, not from the the sign
check we did a series withjustin all on ai and and there
was this.
Collin (24:08):
It was really really, really good.
Uh, we've got some more clips.
I want to set those up realquick, and so we had him on.
We did a special series on AIand it was so good, and we also.
Some of my most memorableexperiences were just the
incredible guest intros that wewere able to get.
Heredes (24:26):
Well, you know, when you bring a high-profile, you
know authority, expert likeJustin, you attract kind of
high-level, you knownovelty-type celebrities to
interest.
Collin (24:37):
So should we play some of those clips?
Let's do it.
So you know, we had some really, really amazing people
introduce Justin for some ofthese.
Video Look Back (24:46):
Welcome to the Nonprofit Renaissance, a podcast
dedicated to helping nonprofitorganizations go further and
grow faster.
Profit organizations go furtherand grow faster.
The hosts of this podcastattempt to benefit non-profit
leaders by highlighting theirsuccesses and by learning from
their challenges.
The hosts will sometimes alsoattempt to be humorous.
The co-host, Colin, attempts itby spewing puns and dad jokes
(25:09):
that are appreciated by 13% ofthe audience, while the other
co-host, H, is a handsome, smartand naturally funny human being
, but only in Portuguese.
Please listen at your owndiscretion.
Today's guest is none otherthan the principal and founder
of the award-winning creativeagency Verse.
He loves fine art, fine diningand fine podcast hosts, which is
(25:33):
why he is here today.
Please welcome, Justin Price.
Collin (25:38):
Amazing.
You know, it took me weeks.
It took me weeks to get to getover that, that scathing review
of my humor, as true as it was.
But we also now this this was acrazy pull.
I don't know how you did this,but to close out the series, we
had a special message fromsomebody else.
Heredes (25:56):
I had to sell one of my kids.
Collin (25:58):
They're doing great.
Now they're doing great yeah.
Heredes (26:02):
Before you take off on your jet.
Video Look Back (26:04):
Hello H, hello Colin, it's me Obama.
What a great episode.
Thanks for all the insightstoday, justin, and thanks for
what you do.
It's great.
It brings me hope.
Keep helping others, go furtherand grow faster, and don't
forget to rock your vote in 2024.
(26:24):
See you soon.
Collin (26:28):
You know, my favorite part about that is how he
referred to himself just asObama.
Hey, it's Obama.
Heredes (26:35):
You know when you're that close, when you're you
close, when you're friends.
You don't need to drop titlesPresident, potus, whatever.
Collin (26:42):
That was a super, super fun episode.
So many good insights.
Fun fact as well.
While we're here just to letyou know, we're going to let you
know about it.
First, speaking of the founderof verse, creative justin price,
he has written a book.
Are we leaking this?
We're leaking it, oh snap, andwe want to let you know that it
(27:05):
is available for pre-order yes,sir, yes ma'am so we would love
you to get this book.
If you want to learn how to leadyour creatives better, this is
the book that you need to get.
Go to versecreativecom slashbook pre-order today.
You're not going to regret it.
Once again, the gift that keepson giving.
(27:26):
Juicy J, justin Price.
We got one more.
Let's one more walk.
Heredes (27:32):
Let's, yeah, let's slingshot our way into this last
one here.
Got one more.
Let's one more, walk, let's uh,yeah, let's slingshot our way
into this last one here.
Man, king of transitions, baby,let's go, let's go.
Uh, some of my favorite peoplein the world.
These folks love the church,love non-profits, love ministry
and are, have been in it, of itand know so many people around
the world really great episode.
Collin (27:51):
I wasn't able to be a part of this one.
I got booted for the episode,but that's okay.
Okay, it was still anincredible.
I was still here in the room, Istill got to hear it in all of
its glory and listen.
Heredes (28:01):
Did you have COVID or was it maternity leave?
Collin (28:03):
It was maternity leave, it was maternity leave yeah, we
had a new dog, puppies, but Iwas able to watch two masters at
work Fantastic, and I'm talkingabout four masters at work
actually.
Heredes (28:14):
It's Tim Foote, Brooke Hodenfield, from Slingshot Group
and cultivating strong teamsfor mission-driven organizations
.
We've worked with them in thepast and work with them
currently, and just big fans ofwho they are and what they do,
and I think you'll have tolisten to the episode because I
don't want to give it all away.
I do want to tee it up again,talking about, you know, talent
churn and the road to andtoday's economy and workplace,
(28:41):
but also talking about remotework and the importance of that
in recruiting top talent in yournonprofit job flexibility and
what's the stats on that today?
Collin (28:49):
It's here and it's here to stay.
So, you know, I've talked to alot of people and you know, and
I've heard good and bad.
I've heard that you know,they're at a job that is very
open to remote work and you know, and they love it.
They love the flexibility, theylove the freedom, they love how
they're actually able tobalance their lives with their
work in a completely differentway than they could before.
(29:11):
I've also heard horror storiesof orgs who are just not on
board with it yet and are makingpolicies that are very, very
difficult, and so it's here tostay.
Heredes (29:21):
Two points that they've made with the data and the case
studies they have.
One is that the flexibility inthe work arrangement is often
way more attractive than theactual higher salary offers.
Collin (29:33):
When I heard that, that blew my mind, that there's
people that will forgo salarybecause of the work around you.
Heredes (29:40):
Well as simple as either being remote or the
flexibility with time off or theability to you name it start
the office at this hour.
They're looking for lifestyleand it's a generational thing
lifestyle over that boomer kindof high pay per se.
The other thing, too, is this,which hit home for us because of
the type of services that ouragency provides for clients
around the country, is how wecan fill the voids and the needs
(30:02):
in our nonprofits or businesses, which is, you can outsource,
there can be internal hiring,but the fractional piece as well
, versus going full-time inseasons where it's creatively a
way to approach it and beingexplored because it's truly no
longer one size fits all.
The traditional nine to fivefull-time employee uh, we know
already has shifted and changedin the last couple of years.
(30:24):
But now the ability to trulyfind a rhythm without sourcing,
with internal, with fractionaluh, with remote, um and
slingshot kills that, helpingyou find the right people,
helping you point to the rightplaces to find those solutions.
Collin (30:36):
And they're going to help you.
Well, we talked about gettingthe right people.
Getting the right people on thebus.
You know you can.
Uh, they're going to help youactually get those people so
that you're not going throughthat process seven times in four
years.
Right, so that.
But you, you're.
It might take a little bitlonger.
You might have to have afractional person, you might
have to have someone interimthere for a little bit longer
than you'd like, but they are sogood at finding the right
(30:59):
people for the right jobs andgetting them in there so that
you're not dealing with thattalent churn again and again and
again.
An incredible episode.
Go check it out.
Check all of these episodes out.
They're all up there for you ifyou haven't listened to any of
them yet.
Heredes (31:14):
But yeah, before we go, if you've got a guest, if
you've got somebody or if you'rea cheerleader, your CEO, your
COO, at your organization, wewould love to talk to them.
We love to learn.
Again, we're talking aboutsuccess stories, also talking
about our failures and talkingabout some of those things that
didn't go well but that we canlearn from.
Let's share that.
We'd love to host you.
We can do virtual, we can dohere in our sunny not South
(31:36):
Florida, but sunny CentralFlorida, tampa Bay, clearwater
Studios.
We'd love to host you, brewsome coffee, kick back and talk
about all things nonprofit, ifyou're curious.
Collin (31:44):
The sound you just heard was a reminder for our next
podcast, because we don't stop,we don't stop.
We're like the Energizer, butwe keep going, we keep going.
So we're going to end this oneright here.
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you for joining.
We will see you next time onthe Nonprofit.
Heredes (32:01):
Episode three.
Collin (32:03):
Or season three of Episode, episode one of season
three of the NonprofitRenaissance.
Heredes (32:11):
We'll see you then.
Outro (32:15):
Thanks again for listening to the Nonprofit
Renaissance.
We hope it ignites arenaissance in you and helps you
go further and grow faster.
Be sure to share, rate andsubscribe, and if you'd like to
recommend or be a guest on ourshow, send us an email at
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welcome back.
Thanks for pressing play.
Uh, maybe this is on 2x alreadybecause that's how you've
enjoyed the non-profitrenaissance.
Maybe you're at 0.5 because wespeak too fast already as it is
so you've got to slow us down.
Collin (00:23):
Should we talk really slow I?
Heredes (00:28):
think we should.
Let's not waste our time.
Colin, welcome to the NonprofitRenaissance, glad you're here.
My name is H and I am Colin,helping nonprofit leaders all
around the world go further,grow faster.
Part two episode.
Here we had a special specialguest on part one jenny, go back
(00:48):
and listen tell, give us a 20second recap.
Collin (00:51):
Well, I'll just I'll let you go back and find out.
We, we like we said, weinterviewed a very special guest
.
We might have just let the nameslip, uh but and it's not.
Heredes (00:59):
It's not what you think it is.
It's not what you think it is,and it wasn't as smooth as you
thought it sounded, yeah how'sthat?
Collin (01:06):
so I think that's accurate yeah so.
So go back and and listen tothat, if you haven't yet.
Heredes (01:10):
Uh, and then come back to this one would you say it was
like our best slash, worst andeasiest slash, most difficult
episode ever probably yes, Ithink so.
Collin (01:18):
It was both the easiest and difficult, both the best and
the worst.
No, it's not the worst worst.
It was great, but we are stillcontinuing to celebrate our 30th
episode, even though it'stechnically isn't the 30th
episode, whatever.
Video Look Back (01:33):
It's a bonus.
It's a bonus episode.
Collin (01:34):
It's a bonus episode because we wanted to make a big
deal, because we've got 30episodes of the nonprofit
renaissance making an impact inthe nonprofit world, helping
nonprofit leaders go further andgrow faster.
So we just wanted to celebratea little bit and so I figured
we'd take a trip down memorylane today.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - W (01:51):
Yeah , yeah oh there's a soundtrack
well, yeah, what song do?
Heredes (01:58):
you want to cue behind this like a little hoppy pola
negative uh so if we had a themesong for the season?
If there was a theme, we have atheme song for the intro, but a
theme song for the season whatwould it be?
Collin (02:12):
If you heard that popular Irish kid song, that's
that's going around now.
That's happening.
The group of Irish kids thatI'm not on Tik TOK, oh, come on,
get with it.
Heredes (02:26):
Sing it for me, get with it.
Can we cut?
Collin (02:28):
to a clip.
Okay, so it's wild dude, it'swild.
I would say that would be ours,but that's only because it's
trending right now.
Uh, a theme song, what would beour theme song, I don't know.
Um, uh, I think friends arefriends forever, I think, but
maybe something that's a littlemore contentious than that,
because, you know, it's possiblethat people think that we're
not friends.
I don't know no maybe they,maybe they get our sarcasm maybe
(02:49):
, but I think it's been.
Heredes (02:50):
It's been a controversial season, it's been
a growth season, it's been a fun, it's been learning, uh.
So it's hard to put that into asong.
Maybe I have to be just a kanyewest instrumental we'll have ai
write one for us, well.
Collin (03:03):
Well, maybe maybe you can do, maybe maybe we can do it
, like you know, right now likereal time I don't know.
We'll see um well, if I can,man, if I can, if I can
multitask well enough, which Idoubt I can, I'm sure you can't
have, I'll have some at the end.
But if you're listening.
Heredes (03:19):
here's a quick recap.
We wanted to kind of go downmemory lane.
Like colin said, just highlightsome of the takeaways, some
some things that stuck with us,some of our favorite episodes
yes, and quotes and takeawaysand some of yours, some of the
popular episodes, popular guests, some of those who've got
comments, emails, people talkingabout.
We wanted to honor that andthank you guys again for being a
part of growing this community,this audience, and helping each
(03:39):
other.
Truthfully, it's about that.
It's about us sharing our bestpractices, our worst failures,
helping us grow faster and gofurther.
Collin (03:47):
So why don't we start with some honorable mentions?
Okay, we're going to deep diveinto some of these, but some
honorable mentions that, someones that we really, really
enjoyed.
We interviewed Chris and TaylorDobson, the creative directors
at Elevation Church in NorthCarolina.
We talked about just creativityand leadership how to balance
(04:11):
that.
That was such a fun episode.
Heredes (04:13):
Great insights on budgeting, on preparing, on
putting together big,large-scale productions for
nonprofits.
Collin (04:17):
Preparing and knowing when to stop preparing and just
let it happen.
Heredes (04:23):
Very good episode Just go for it.
Collin (04:25):
We also were able.
This was a good one.
This was a fun one for mebecause he's a fanboy.
I'm a little bit of a fanboy.
I grew up in Florida, born andraised in Tampa, and so we had
Ben Zobrist on World Series MVP.
It was not the World Series MVPHockey right, hockey, yeah it.
Hockey right.
(04:45):
Hockey.
Yeah, it's a different type ofhockey.
You still use a stick and hitan object World Series baseball
MVP Football.
You know Easy, now You're asoccer guy.
But we did get to interview BenZobrist, a guy that I grew up
watching on the Rays, and heeventually went and won a few
World Series, was the MVP andnow he's.
(05:07):
They lead a nonprofit.
He created a nonprofit calledChampion Forward, helping other
young athletes to be able todeal with some of the pressures
that he faced and that he dealtwith growing up.
Heredes (05:19):
Super practical.
I remember walking away withthat, thinking about my boys who
are in sports as well, and thebalance of being that tough
coach dad, setting expectationsof victory and championships
versus the mental capacity,emotional capacity these kids
have, and for us to just be dador mom and loving and caring and
being there for them past thesport, because the sport will
fade away, the athleticism willwind down.
Collin (05:42):
So very episode and uh love what champion ford is doing
and it wasn't just for parentsof athletes, it was, I mean,
there was it's a non-profit.
They had some really greatthings to say for non-profit
leaders and that went as well.
Video Look Back (05:53):
And last honorable mention, oh, you took
the lead on this.
I need you to pronounce hername though because it's a great
organization out of miami.
Heredes (06:00):
Uh, friends of friends and um, I've heard about them
for years, so it was great tosit down Pronounce her name.
Collin (06:05):
You know, we don't have to make this a routine on the
show If it's a Spanish or Asianor African name.
Heredes (06:14):
We ask Colin, because that's his heritage.
Collin (06:17):
All of those.
Her name is Nicole de Lara.
Heredes (06:21):
Puente Amazing bro.
See, this has been so good.
This podcast has been so goodfor you.
Trash Duolingo.
I knew it's free, but you gottrue Duolingo here.
Collin (06:32):
Yeah, shame really works .
Heredes (06:33):
Shame really works.
Shame really helps you On thespot.
Collin (06:35):
But she is the executive director of Live, Like Bella.
You might have heard of it.
It went viral a few years ago.
Yeah, actually.
Heredes (06:41):
LeBron James put a hashtag on his shoe and the
thing exploded.
And today, because of Bella,you know, the support for cancer
awareness and research anddevelopment all across the world
has been incredible, and themillions and what they've been
able to do to nurture that, toraise the funds and to connect
the right tools, doctors,resources, to the patients, to
the hospitals it's beenfantastic.
(07:03):
So shout out toLiveLikeBellaorg.
Collin (07:06):
Check out all of those organizations Elevation Church
in North Carolina, championForward, live Like Bella those
are really great nonprofits thatare doing really great things.
Should we talk?
Dive into some episodes?
Heredes (07:17):
Yeah, we'll highlight some and you can kind of we'll
put some markers here so you canfind out some of our favorites
and some highlights that trulyhelped us and that we heard from
our audience, that they put topractice and they were made
aware for the first time.
But one of the most popular,one of the most fun she got so
much engagement online and loveand if you listen you'll know
why.
The most rebellious yes, she isthe fundraising rebel, Actually
(07:40):
scheduled for next seasonalready because she's that
popular.
Collin (07:43):
I think she might be the first episode of season three.
Oh snap is that I love it,which is perfect for us, because
we're kicking off strong lisapronounce her last name colin
yeah, yes, I feel like you justdo it because you can't do it,
it's stuck them in yes thefundraising rebel.
Heredes (08:02):
Listen now, besides all the practical, and to share
some of the your highlightsthere, colin.
But even our conversation, herbackground in theater uh, she's
from chicago.
In pizza uh, just such anengaging and fun uh leader to
talk to and successful in in herrealm and in her network.
So I can't wait to share someof the things we learned with
her, even since then and thatwe'll share in the next episode.
Collin (08:23):
If you want great insights in fundraising for your
nonprofit, that's a greatepisode to listen to.
If you want insights on how tomake real authentic Chicago deep
dish pizza, that's a goodepisode to listen to.
We got it all for you.
We're doing it all.
That's it.
But we also talked aboutmeaningful donor experiences in
that one that was reallymemorable for me and she
actually shared an example ofhow, of a meaningful experience
(08:47):
that she had, that now shecarries that example into her
work as a fundraiser.
And she was talking about, youknow, she worked for a nonprofit
that helps children dealingwith starvation and malnutrition
.
They provide meals for them andfor their families,
conservation and malnutrition,they provide meals for them and
for their families.
And so they went down to thatcountry where that nonprofit was
(09:09):
working and they got to see,you know, their workshops, see
kind of their operation, whatthey were doing.
And while they were down thereone of the kilns had broken and
they weren't able to have theproduction that they normally
would have, and so they meantthey probably would have to lay
off some workers.
It wasn't just, you know, herewe'd say, oh, it's broken, let's
send it off, let's get it fixed.
(09:29):
That was not the case there, itwas it's broken Like we.
You know, we gotta, we gottastop something, we gotta shut
something down.
And so while they were there,one of the VPs on the trip, he
started just going around andsaid, hey, look, this is not
going to go to our organization,but if you believe in feeding
children, if you believe inhelping children live and have a
(09:50):
meal, then this has to workagain.
This kiln has to be fixed.
And he went individually topeople on that trip and said,
hey, would you be able to give?
Would you be?
Had those conversations?
One of those conversations waswith Lisa's husband.
One of those conversations waswith Lisa's husband and it made
such an impact on them that sheremembers it today and it even
guides her in her own work toensure that she's not just
(10:14):
getting money from people.
She's helping people havemeaningful experience as donors,
connecting what they want to doand the heart that they have
and making that fit.
Heredes (10:24):
I love it, colin.
Another question guest thatstands out for me and I've known
of them for years and I've metEugene several years ago as well
.
Uh is the Watoto episode and uhsuch great work.
And he's the executive directorhere in the West in the U S and
the United States and uh, we'llhear from him in a second cut
(10:44):
to some clips.
But besides the music andbesides um, a lot of the
ministry and kids in the churchin Watoto, it was great to hear
kind of the founder story andhow kind of God you know nudged
his heart to start everything.
That's Watoto today, right.
Collin (11:00):
Yeah, and I mean I love that, the opportunity that we
get on this episode to justlearn about these things,
because I didn't know very much.
I'd like heard Watoto veryvaguely but I didn't know
anything about it, and so justgetting to hear the story and
hopefully there were some of youthat were in that same place
where you didn't know about itand now you do and hopefully
you're interacting with it.
But yeah, the founder's storywas so incredible like such a
(11:23):
great level of faith, the faiththat they were walking in and
they were just saying yes to Godover and over and over again,
even when they didn't know whatwas happening, and so we got a
little clip here, that we'llplay where he kind of tells us a
little bit about that Fastforward to the church that the
church has planted.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - W (11:39):
They began, you know, 10 years in,
they began caring for children.
And again, I guess the Lordthis is Gary's account of the
story is that God spoke to himand said you need to put
together a group of kids as achoir and travel the world and
tell the world what God is doingin Uganda.
And so he shared the idea withMarilyn, and this is an amazing,
(11:59):
amazing story of faith.
Marilyn went to the BritishAirways office.
Now this time, they're a smallto medium-sized church in Uganda
, but not a lot of resource.
They don't have money just togo flying all over the world.
And so they went to the BritishAirways office in Kampala and
explained what their goal was.
We want to take a group oforphaned children around the
(12:20):
world and share this story.
And so she said but we don'thave money.
Can we buy tickets on credit?
And once after the tour isfinished, we'll have revenue to
pay for the tickets.
And they said, yeah, we can dothat.
And they asked where do you wantto go?
And she's like oh, I hadn'tthought of that.
(12:40):
So she said do you have a map?
So they brought a map out ofNorth America and she said
Chicago's in the middle of aflight to Chicago?
No way.
So they.
They brought this group ofchildren and a group of adults.
They were the chaperones andthe band.
They took the sound system outof their church.
Remember, there's no officehere, there's no bus waiting for
them, there's no staff herewith bookings.
They arrived in Chicago withoutany concerts booked, stop.
(13:03):
And this was back in the day ofphone booths and yellow pages.
What year was this?
This is 94.
Heredes (13:08):
Wow, different world.
They didn't have an iPhone orthey couldn't go on Google and
search for top 100.
Video (Eugene Stutzman - Wat (13:13):
He goes to the phone booth and
starts calling churches in theYellow Pages and says we just
landed at the airport with agroup of orphaned children from
Uganda.
Can we come and sing at yourchurch?
That's incredible, a completestep of faith.
And so this is the foundationof our ministry, is our founder
is completely faithful to God'scalling.
Collin (13:35):
Amazing, that's awesome.
Hearing stories like that isemboldening for my own faith and
just being able to see thatthere are people who are willing
to follow God on the missionthat he's calling them to, to
follow God on the mission thathe's calling them to, and then
being able to connect that to anorganization like Watoto and
(13:56):
say, look what those yeses did,look at what those yeses how
it's resulted in an incrediblething.
What do we got next?
Roy Jones, roy, what a man.
So many takeaways, oh man.
Heredes (14:07):
Talk about.
You know I did not know Roytill the day the podcast came to
the studio.
Such a great, great man and funguy to hang Feels like a guy
you can kick back and just talkshop forever, which we did.
You guys didn't even get tolisten to the entire.
Maybe one day we'll dodirector's cut, but the quotes
and the takeaways have stuckwith me.
I've used and talked as we'redoing, you know, networking and
(14:29):
helping our clients, but I wantto share some of the top ones
that um we took and I think inthe previous episode I don't
know if we got to talk about it,but our guests on the previous
episode even share how this wasa lot.
You know in the digital world welive today, trying to get
people's emails and phonenumbers and develop that still
the relevant and the powerful umimpact of still having
(14:50):
someone's address and theinformation that we're able to
gather with the address fromdonor.
You know income levels andcapacity and opportunity and I
think just in some ways kind ofthe old school and how it's
still working.
But then how not to avoid orignore the relevant digital
what's happening today.
So Roy did an incredible job.
(15:11):
I recommend he's linked up hereso you can.
But let me a couple of quoteshere.
One is one of the worstmistakes we make in fundraising
is this is asking a millionairefor a $25 gift and he says and
we do it all the time, right Formajor donors, they don't.
If they don't come from my list, they come from your list and
they don't give money away, theymake investments.
(15:32):
And that was such a greatreminder.
They're not giving money away,they're making investments and,
to be sure, go for the bold ask.
Know their capacity, know wherethey are, know where they stand
, because they will give itsomewhere else if you don't ask.
Collin (15:42):
Yeah, and again that's like you got to know who they
are and know what their capacityis is.
I think a lot of times it's notthat we see a millionaire and
we only want $25.
Heredes (15:53):
It's just, we don't know anything.
There's no relationship right?
Collin (15:54):
We haven't done research , we haven't built a
relationship, so make the boldask.
But he also talked aboutlistening to their passion Love
this it's about their passion,not yours.
You don't need a big PowerPointdeck.
You don't need to listen towhat the donor is passionate
about Nine times out of 10, theyalready know what they want to
do.
They're just waiting forsomeone to ask them.
(16:16):
They've already said yes.
They're just waiting for you tosay will you be the one to say
yes to me?
Heredes (16:24):
And in some ways it's talk less, listen more.
So listen to their passion andthen, at the right time, when
it's time to ask.
Collin (16:30):
Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more.
So listen to their passion andthen, at the right time, when
it's time to ask.
Heredes (16:35):
Someone said talk less, smile more, smile more.
If you're a Hamilton fan, ah,there you go.
I just want to be in the roomwhere it happens.
You know what I'm saying.
And then he also talked aboutsegmentation and treating donors
like who they actually are andwe've got to drop the masks and
trying to treat the masks likeand losing them, they'll get
fatigued, they'll be treatedlike a generic person and that's
what you'll get a genericresponse or no response.
(16:56):
He says we treat big donorslike regular donors by sending
them all the same e-blasts anddirect mail.
It is our job to find out whothey are, create unique
messaging.
The bigger capacity donors getbigger projects to look at and
regular donors get smallerprojects.
The bigger donors they don'twant you spending money on them.
Look at that.
And that was not a popularthought because some people said
(17:17):
well, we've got to donor,develop and give them the big
gifts.
Collin (17:19):
Wine and dine.
Heredes (17:20):
They are investors.
The communication with themshould be personalized, not a
mass marketing piece.
It should look like thepresident sat down and sent them
a personal message.
The president sat down and sentthem a personal message.
Yeah, incredible.
Sounds like you know, simple,but we neglect that in the
growth and in the strategy andin the hustle of chasing.
I highly recommend Roy Jones'episode.
So many more takeaways therefrom Roy Jones.
Collin (17:41):
Yeah, from FunFit they're always going to wait for
you to make the ask who do wegot next?
We also talked to theincredible someone that I met
through this podcast, someonethat you've known for a while,
but it's David Lopez, and heworks for Generis and he helps
churches and organizations getthe funding they need for the
(18:02):
projects that they're trying todo, and this was a great episode
on building a legacy andcultivating stewardship of
wealth for organizations.
He talked this was mind-blowingfor me he talked about this
idea of the great wealthmigration that we're coming up
on this time, in the next 15, 20years.
They are anticipating listen tothis number, because it's not
(18:28):
going to mean anything to you.
It's not going to make anysense.
They're anticipating $32 to $35trillion passing from one
generation to the next and wherethe possibilities of that going
are.
Think about that.
Think of all the billionaires.
Right, that's pennies in thepocket of this, of this, this
(18:52):
mass of money, and it's 32 to 35.
Heredes (18:55):
It's an incredible amount of money and I love the
space that he's living in andhelping philanthropy, charity
foundations, organizations,nonprofits, steward that go
after that money that willeither remain there, go on, you
know, unclaimed, or go back togovernment that's just sitting
there, not, you know.
Collin (19:15):
I love this, not needing it, but go ahead, he said.
He said uh, you may not have aplan for your money, but I
promise you somebody doesexactly.
Somebody has a plan for yourmoney, so you better make sure
you should.
Heredes (19:25):
Yeah, listen listen to that episode.
It's a fantastic one.
He also talks about how ourbiggest gift to the kingdom
hasn't happened yet and that waswas kind of encouraging but
also like discouraging but alsoconfused.
But then he explains that ourbiggest gift actually happens on
the day we go home, when wepass, and we don't know it yet.
But without that plan in placeit won't happen.
Our plan for the kingdom impactwill not be honored without the
(19:48):
clarity and the attention andthe stewardship it deserves.
So I love that space he livesin, because sometimes it's
neglected.
We don't think of it as like oh, it's not going to fix tomorrow
, but that long-term planstrategy in managing wealth and
philanthropically, whether theendowments or whether their
trust in the states, of how thatimpacts organizations like the
ones from our listeners.
Collin (20:06):
I love it because it reminded us that it's not just
about what we do today.
It's about what we leave behindus also matters a great deal.
Who do we got next?
Heredes (20:14):
We got one more, another friend and a leader and
a successful, successful man ofGod father, husband and another
one that I asked you topronounce his name, colin, and
let's give it a shot.
Who is it?
And you almost got canceled forit.
Collin (20:28):
I almost got canceled for this one because it's Robert
Padron Padron.
It's Robert Padron Padron.
However, the way he set it upmade me think that I was
supposed to say Robert.
Heredes (20:40):
Padron, which put you on the spot, because I'm like
why would you assume that, colin?
Yeah, exactly, come on man, italmost got canceled.
Collin (20:47):
And then he responded with my mom is directly from
America, so she has neverpronounced my name with a
Spanish accent.
And that's when Colin hit underthe table and I went like this
never pronounce my name with aSpanish accent.
Heredes (20:54):
And that's when Colin hit under the table and
disappeared for the rest.
But Robert, so many greatinsights for a very important
part of our nonprofits andministries which is volunteers
and landing not just anyvolunteer, not just quantity,
but quality, high capacityvolunteers which he is, which he
has demonstrated.
So we got some insights fromhim on having the mission being
(21:15):
clear, so not just to put peoplein place, but what is the
clarity of mission?
And I think it's alwaysimportant that a leader gets
that, specifically with anorganization who's trying to
achieve something great.
Collin (21:26):
It's another one of those things that it's like, oh
well, duh.
But then the people who aresaying, oh well, duh, there's a
good chance that your mission isclear to you, but it's not
clear to the ones who you needto actually help you complete
your mission.
Is your mission actually clear?
Do people know what you'redoing?
And that connects with thesecond one Does your mission or
(21:47):
what your organization do, isthat creating desire within
people?
Is there a way for you to matchwhat your organization is doing
with people who have thatpassion?
They're not going to know thatif your mission isn't clear, and
they're also not going to knowthat if you haven't gone to them
in the past, and what thatmeans is if there's a vague
invitation, you'll get vagueresponses.
Heredes (22:05):
You'll get wrong people trying to meet a need.
If you're recruiting for theband, you don't just recruit
anybody.
You can't just put anybody canjoin no, of course not.
You need musicians who areactually going to be skilled in
that same goal.
So if you have an actual clearneed, make a clear invitation, a
clear call and very specific tothe skills.
And they're out there.
It's just about going back.
Collin (22:26):
I mean that is like a magnet for good volunteers, that
having that clear mission andthat clear need that is how you
get them.
They're going to see that ifyou don't have it, they're going
to see it a mile away andthey're going to go somewhere
else.
Heredes (22:41):
And it's interesting because it seems so simple and,
for those of you who have beenin it, we get lost in the
repetitiveness and the rut.
It's like, oh, we just needhelp, come serve.
Come join our mission.
Okay, join our mission.
Video Look Back (22:56):
What is that To Mars?
Are we going to Mars or?
Heredes (22:58):
are you mission to?
It's a specificity, really, andit's like we need this type of
person to do this kind of work,to help this kind of need.
Collin (23:07):
Well, here's the thing.
It also gives me theinformation I need to know oh
that's a no for me.
Heredes (23:12):
Oh, that's a no for me Correct.
Collin (23:13):
That's not my passion, so I know I don't have to waste
time figuring that out.
I don't have to waste threemonths of my life doing that the
vetting of course.
Because now I can go over hereand say oh no, this is where my
passion lies.
Another really great episode iswe.
It's our most, this is our most.
Heredes (23:33):
Well, high profile, would you say.
Collin (23:34):
High profile and most attended guest.
I've been saying that in thedumbest way possible, but we've
had him on the most times andit's Justin Price, our
incredible leader, ceo of VerseCreative.
He's the gift that keeps ongiving, but he came on and we
did a series.
Juicy J, juicy, justin.
Is he paying you to say thisstuff, maybe?
Heredes (23:54):
well, I mean well, in a way, in a way, my contract does
not have that.
So this is from the bottom ofmy heart, not from the the sign
check we did a series withjustin all on ai and and there
was this.
Collin (24:08):
It was really really, really good.
Uh, we've got some more clips.
I want to set those up realquick, and so we had him on.
We did a special series on AIand it was so good, and we also.
Some of my most memorableexperiences were just the
incredible guest intros that wewere able to get.
Heredes (24:26):
Well, you know, when you bring a high-profile, you
know authority, expert likeJustin, you attract kind of
high-level, you knownovelty-type celebrities to
interest.
Collin (24:37):
So should we play some of those clips?
Let's do it.
So you know, we had some really, really amazing people
introduce Justin for some ofthese.
Video Look Back (24:46):
Welcome to the Nonprofit Renaissance, a podcast
dedicated to helping nonprofitorganizations go further and
grow faster.
Profit organizations go furtherand grow faster.
The hosts of this podcastattempt to benefit non-profit
leaders by highlighting theirsuccesses and by learning from
their challenges.
The hosts will sometimes alsoattempt to be humorous.
The co-host, Colin, attempts itby spewing puns and dad jokes
(25:09):
that are appreciated by 13% ofthe audience, while the other
co-host, H, is a handsome, smartand naturally funny human being
, but only in Portuguese.
Please listen at your owndiscretion.
Today's guest is none otherthan the principal and founder
of the award-winning creativeagency Verse.
He loves fine art, fine diningand fine podcast hosts, which is
(25:33):
why he is here today.
Please welcome, Justin Price.
Collin (25:38):
Amazing.
You know, it took me weeks.
It took me weeks to get to getover that, that scathing review
of my humor, as true as it was.
But we also now this this was acrazy pull.
I don't know how you did this,but to close out the series, we
had a special message fromsomebody else.
Heredes (25:56):
I had to sell one of my kids.
Collin (25:58):
They're doing great.
Now they're doing great yeah.
Heredes (26:02):
Before you take off on your jet.
Video Look Back (26:04):
Hello H, hello Colin, it's me Obama.
What a great episode.
Thanks for all the insightstoday, justin, and thanks for
what you do.
It's great.
It brings me hope.
Keep helping others, go furtherand grow faster, and don't
forget to rock your vote in 2024.
(26:24):
See you soon.
Collin (26:28):
You know, my favorite part about that is how he
referred to himself just asObama.
Hey, it's Obama.
Heredes (26:35):
You know when you're that close, when you're you
close, when you're friends.
You don't need to drop titlesPresident, potus, whatever.
Collin (26:42):
That was a super, super fun episode.
So many good insights.
Fun fact as well.
While we're here just to letyou know, we're going to let you
know about it.
First, speaking of the founderof verse, creative justin price,
he has written a book.
Are we leaking this?
We're leaking it, oh snap, andwe want to let you know that it
(27:05):
is available for pre-order yes,sir, yes ma'am so we would love
you to get this book.
If you want to learn how to leadyour creatives better, this is
the book that you need to get.
Go to versecreativecom slashbook pre-order today.
You're not going to regret it.
Once again, the gift that keepson giving.
(27:26):
Juicy J, justin Price.
We got one more.
Let's one more walk.
Heredes (27:32):
Let's, yeah, let's slingshot our way into this last
one here.
Got one more.
Let's one more, walk, let's uh,yeah, let's slingshot our way
into this last one here.
Man, king of transitions, baby,let's go, let's go.
Uh, some of my favorite peoplein the world.
These folks love the church,love non-profits, love ministry
and are, have been in it, of itand know so many people around
the world really great episode.
Collin (27:51):
I wasn't able to be a part of this one.
I got booted for the episode,but that's okay.
Okay, it was still anincredible.
I was still here in the room, Istill got to hear it in all of
its glory and listen.
Heredes (28:01):
Did you have COVID or was it maternity leave?
Collin (28:03):
It was maternity leave, it was maternity leave yeah, we
had a new dog, puppies, but Iwas able to watch two masters at
work Fantastic, and I'm talkingabout four masters at work
actually.
Heredes (28:14):
It's Tim Foote, Brooke Hodenfield, from Slingshot Group
and cultivating strong teamsfor mission-driven organizations
.
We've worked with them in thepast and work with them
currently, and just big fans ofwho they are and what they do,
and I think you'll have tolisten to the episode because I
don't want to give it all away.
I do want to tee it up again,talking about, you know, talent
churn and the road to andtoday's economy and workplace,
(28:41):
but also talking about remotework and the importance of that
in recruiting top talent in yournonprofit job flexibility and
what's the stats on that today?
Collin (28:49):
It's here and it's here to stay.
So, you know, I've talked to alot of people and you know, and
I've heard good and bad.
I've heard that you know,they're at a job that is very
open to remote work and you know, and they love it.
They love the flexibility, theylove the freedom, they love how
they're actually able tobalance their lives with their
work in a completely differentway than they could before.
(29:11):
I've also heard horror storiesof orgs who are just not on
board with it yet and are makingpolicies that are very, very
difficult, and so it's here tostay.
Heredes (29:21):
Two points that they've made with the data and the case
studies they have.
One is that the flexibility inthe work arrangement is often
way more attractive than theactual higher salary offers.
Collin (29:33):
When I heard that, that blew my mind, that there's
people that will forgo salarybecause of the work around you.
Heredes (29:40):
Well as simple as either being remote or the
flexibility with time off or theability to you name it start
the office at this hour.
They're looking for lifestyleand it's a generational thing
lifestyle over that boomer kindof high pay per se.
The other thing, too, is this,which hit home for us because of
the type of services that ouragency provides for clients
around the country, is how wecan fill the voids and the needs
(30:02):
in our nonprofits or businesses, which is, you can outsource,
there can be internal hiring,but the fractional piece as well
, versus going full-time inseasons where it's creatively a
way to approach it and beingexplored because it's truly no
longer one size fits all.
The traditional nine to fivefull-time employee uh, we know
already has shifted and changedin the last couple of years.
(30:24):
But now the ability to trulyfind a rhythm without sourcing,
with internal, with fractionaluh, with remote, um and
slingshot kills that, helpingyou find the right people,
helping you point to the rightplaces to find those solutions.
Collin (30:36):
And they're going to help you.
Well, we talked about gettingthe right people.
Getting the right people on thebus.
You know you can.
Uh, they're going to help youactually get those people so
that you're not going throughthat process seven times in four
years.
Right, so that.
But you, you're.
It might take a little bitlonger.
You might have to have afractional person, you might
have to have someone interimthere for a little bit longer
than you'd like, but they are sogood at finding the right
(30:59):
people for the right jobs andgetting them in there so that
you're not dealing with thattalent churn again and again and
again.
An incredible episode.
Go check it out.
Check all of these episodes out.
They're all up there for you ifyou haven't listened to any of
them yet.
Heredes (31:14):
But yeah, before we go, if you've got a guest, if
you've got somebody or if you'rea cheerleader, your CEO, your
COO, at your organization, wewould love to talk to them.
We love to learn.
Again, we're talking aboutsuccess stories, also talking
about our failures and talkingabout some of those things that
didn't go well but that we canlearn from.
Let's share that.
We'd love to host you.
We can do virtual, we can dohere in our sunny not South
(31:36):
Florida, but sunny CentralFlorida, tampa Bay, clearwater
Studios.
We'd love to host you, brewsome coffee, kick back and talk
about all things nonprofit, ifyou're curious.
Collin (31:44):
The sound you just heard was a reminder for our next
podcast, because we don't stop,we don't stop.
We're like the Energizer, butwe keep going, we keep going.
So we're going to end this oneright here.
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you for joining.
We will see you next time onthe Nonprofit.
Heredes (32:01):
Episode three.
Collin (32:03):
Or season three of Episode, episode one of season
three of the NonprofitRenaissance.
Heredes (32:11):
We'll see you then.
Outro (32:15):
Thanks again for listening to the Nonprofit
Renaissance.
We hope it ignites arenaissance in you and helps you
go further and grow faster.
Be sure to share, rate andsubscribe, and if you'd like to
recommend or be a guest on ourshow, send us an email at
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